Re: turning speech on and off

[Dean Adams]

Hi Esther and Gigi and others,
The person that I know that somehow turned of her speech use the 
tracklpad to get the speech back on again she has just started using an macbook 
air I have sent her the voice over users guide to get her started and will work 
from there I do love my new mac a huge step forward from my old power book G4 
with leopard which still works mind you so many thanks to all who posted the 
tips.
Regards Dean


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On 27/02/2012, at 4:35 PM, Esther wrote:

> Hi Dean and Gigi,
> 
> Actually, couldn't your friend try using the three-finger double tap on the 
> TrackPad to un-mute VoiceOver?   That was my first thought, but I assumed 
> that you had tried to have him do that first. Gigi is correct, it helps to 
> keep your fingers slightly curved as well as separated when you do the double 
> tap.  The other possibility for new users is that they have turned TrackPad 
> Commander off, if they've also managed to mute VoiceOver.  In that case, hold 
> down the Control and Option keys, and make a rotor gesture in the clockwise 
> direction with two fingers on the trackpad, then try the two-finger triple 
> tap again.
> 
> Alternatively, could this be one of the situations where VoiceOver is busy? 
> This is more likely to happen in Safari, or perhaps in Mail if lots of 
> windows are open, and occasionally in the iTunes Store.  What happens if he 
> uses Command-Tab to switch to another application, and then toggles VoiceOver 
> off and on again with Command-F5?  That should bring back VoiceOver even if 
> it has been accidentally muted.
> 
> Just trying to think out loud about possibilities.
> 
> HTH.  Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> 
> On Feb 26, 2012, at 7:15 PM, Eugenia Firth wrote:
> 
>> Sorry, Dean, I didn't see your original message before I sent mine. I have 
>> had this happen, too, but before I knew about the keyboard command I was 
>> able to get it to work with the trackpad by doing it again. I found that my 
>> fingers had to be curved. I agree that the trackpad on the Mac doesn't 
>> respond like it does on the iPhone. I don't have the same problem on the 
>> iPhone.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Gigi
>> 
>> On Feb 26, 2012, at 11:05 PM, Esther wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Dean,
>>> 
>>> There's the "Mute" button is on the F10 key.  I toggle this on and off by 
>>> pressing FN+F10, but that's because under System Preferences > Keyboard on 
>>> the Keyboard tab I have the box checked for "Use all F1, F2, etc. keys as 
>>> standard function keys".  If this box is not checked, you would just press 
>>> the F10 key by itself to toggle muting on and off. 
>>> 
>>> Alternatively, just pressing the key to raise volume (FN+F12, or F12) will 
>>> also undo muting.  There is a way to assign a key to the "Mute VoiceOver 
>>> Toggle" command, but I don't think there is any keyboard shortcut set by 
>>> default to that.  It would be too devastating to come across this by 
>>> accident.
>>> 
>>> HTH.  Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Esther
>>> 
>>> On Feb 26, 2012, at 6:51 PM, Dean Adams wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Everyone,
Can anyone please tell me how I can turn speech on and Off with the 
 keyboard I know you can mute voice over with the trackpad commander with a 
 three finger double tap but I have a friend that has turned off speech 
 somehow and can't get speech to come back on again any help with this 
 would of great help.
 Regards Dean
 
 Sent from Dean Adams Macbook Pro
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 Mobile: 0428133758
 Skype : deanadams9
 
 
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Re: Play/Pause YouTube Videos

[Emrah]

Hey Mike,

You will have much better accessibility if you enable the HTML5 feature of 
Youtube.
Go to http://www.youtube.com/html5 and just click the link that will allow you 
to join the HTML5 beta program. It will save a Cookie in your browser and that 
will be all.
After that, all videos that can be streamed and rendered using HTML5 will have 
some new options that you will be able to read with VoiceOver, including the 
Pause option.

I do not use Youtube extensively and hope my info is still up to date.

Let me know if this solution works and good luck,

Emrah
On Feb 26, 2012, at 10:25 PM, Michael Malarsie wrote:

> Hey guys I have a question of my own.
>   To this day I can't figure out how to pause and resume playing YouTube 
> videos. I have always had to just let them play and I listen to the Voice 
> Over. Any info for me? I am hoping there is an wasy solution that I have just 
> overlooked like I have with some other basic functions. Thanks everyone!
> 
> 
> Mike Malarsie 
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Re: turning speech on and off

[Garth Humphreys]

Hi 

Just to add to what others have said. I would try toggling VO off and back on 
again, may be a couple of times. I find that if I have muted VO accidentally, 
when it is toggled back on it will say something like "Voice Over On speech 
muted" or similar. In any case you then know what the problem is and can work 
from there. I don't know what the keyboard shortcut is for un muting VO. I am 
not sure that it is the same thing as the F10 mute. I thought this was for 
other system sounds. 

Anyway sorry if I am off the mark - just a novice.

Garth 
@BindTechMusing

   

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On 27/02/2012, at 3:35 PM, Esther  wrote:

> Hi Dean and Gigi,
> 
> Actually, couldn't your friend try using the three-finger double tap on the 
> TrackPad to un-mute VoiceOver?   That was my first thought, but I assumed 
> that you had tried to have him do that first. Gigi is correct, it helps to 
> keep your fingers slightly curved as well as separated when you do the double 
> tap.  The other possibility for new users is that they have turned TrackPad 
> Commander off, if they've also managed to mute VoiceOver.  In that case, hold 
> down the Control and Option keys, and make a rotor gesture in the clockwise 
> direction with two fingers on the trackpad, then try the two-finger triple 
> tap again.
> 
> Alternatively, could this be one of the situations where VoiceOver is busy? 
> This is more likely to happen in Safari, or perhaps in Mail if lots of 
> windows are open, and occasionally in the iTunes Store.  What happens if he 
> uses Command-Tab to switch to another application, and then toggles VoiceOver 
> off and on again with Command-F5?  That should bring back VoiceOver even if 
> it has been accidentally muted.
> 
> Just trying to think out loud about possibilities.
> 
> HTH.  Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> 
> On Feb 26, 2012, at 7:15 PM, Eugenia Firth wrote:
> 
>> Sorry, Dean, I didn't see your original message before I sent mine. I have 
>> had this happen, too, but before I knew about the keyboard command I was 
>> able to get it to work with the trackpad by doing it again. I found that my 
>> fingers had to be curved. I agree that the trackpad on the Mac doesn't 
>> respond like it does on the iPhone. I don't have the same problem on the 
>> iPhone.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Gigi
>> 
>> On Feb 26, 2012, at 11:05 PM, Esther wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Dean,
>>> 
>>> There's the "Mute" button is on the F10 key.  I toggle this on and off by 
>>> pressing FN+F10, but that's because under System Preferences > Keyboard on 
>>> the Keyboard tab I have the box checked for "Use all F1, F2, etc. keys as 
>>> standard function keys".  If this box is not checked, you would just press 
>>> the F10 key by itself to toggle muting on and off. 
>>> 
>>> Alternatively, just pressing the key to raise volume (FN+F12, or F12) will 
>>> also undo muting.  There is a way to assign a key to the "Mute VoiceOver 
>>> Toggle" command, but I don't think there is any keyboard shortcut set by 
>>> default to that.  It would be too devastating to come across this by 
>>> accident.
>>> 
>>> HTH.  Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Esther
>>> 
>>> On Feb 26, 2012, at 6:51 PM, Dean Adams wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Everyone,
Can anyone please tell me how I can turn speech on and Off with the 
 keyboard I know you can mute voice over with the trackpad commander with a 
 three finger double tap but I have a friend that has turned off speech 
 somehow and can't get speech to come back on again any help with this 
 would of great help.
 Regards Dean
 
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 phone: 0243206031
 Mobile: 0428133758
 Skype : deanadams9
 
 
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Re: turning speech on and off

[Esther]

Hi Dean and Gigi,

Actually, couldn't your friend try using the three-finger double tap on the 
TrackPad to un-mute VoiceOver?   That was my first thought, but I assumed that 
you had tried to have him do that first. Gigi is correct, it helps to keep your 
fingers slightly curved as well as separated when you do the double tap.  The 
other possibility for new users is that they have turned TrackPad Commander 
off, if they've also managed to mute VoiceOver.  In that case, hold down the 
Control and Option keys, and make a rotor gesture in the clockwise direction 
with two fingers on the trackpad, then try the two-finger triple tap again.

Alternatively, could this be one of the situations where VoiceOver is busy? 
This is more likely to happen in Safari, or perhaps in Mail if lots of windows 
are open, and occasionally in the iTunes Store.  What happens if he uses 
Command-Tab to switch to another application, and then toggles VoiceOver off 
and on again with Command-F5?  That should bring back VoiceOver even if it has 
been accidentally muted.

Just trying to think out loud about possibilities.

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

On Feb 26, 2012, at 7:15 PM, Eugenia Firth wrote:

> Sorry, Dean, I didn't see your original message before I sent mine. I have 
> had this happen, too, but before I knew about the keyboard command I was able 
> to get it to work with the trackpad by doing it again. I found that my 
> fingers had to be curved. I agree that the trackpad on the Mac doesn't 
> respond like it does on the iPhone. I don't have the same problem on the 
> iPhone.
> 
> Regards,
> Gigi
> 
> On Feb 26, 2012, at 11:05 PM, Esther wrote:
> 
>> Hi Dean,
>> 
>> There's the "Mute" button is on the F10 key.  I toggle this on and off by 
>> pressing FN+F10, but that's because under System Preferences > Keyboard on 
>> the Keyboard tab I have the box checked for "Use all F1, F2, etc. keys as 
>> standard function keys".  If this box is not checked, you would just press 
>> the F10 key by itself to toggle muting on and off. 
>> 
>> Alternatively, just pressing the key to raise volume (FN+F12, or F12) will 
>> also undo muting.  There is a way to assign a key to the "Mute VoiceOver 
>> Toggle" command, but I don't think there is any keyboard shortcut set by 
>> default to that.  It would be too devastating to come across this by 
>> accident.
>> 
>> HTH.  Cheers,
>> 
>> Esther
>> 
>> On Feb 26, 2012, at 6:51 PM, Dean Adams wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Everyone,
>>> Can anyone please tell me how I can turn speech on and Off with the 
>>> keyboard I know you can mute voice over with the trackpad commander with a 
>>> three finger double tap but I have a friend that has turned off speech 
>>> somehow and can't get speech to come back on again any help with this would 
>>> of great help.
>>> Regards Dean
>>> 
>>> Sent from Dean Adams Macbook Pro
>>> breezepa...@gmail.com
>>> phone: 0243206031
>>> Mobile: 0428133758
>>> Skype : deanadams9
>>> 
>>> 

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Re: turning speech on and off

[Eugenia Firth]

Sorry, Dean, I didn't see your original message before I sent mine. I have had 
this happen, too, but before I knew about the keyboard command I was able to 
get it to work with the trackpad by doing it again. I found that my fingers had 
to be curved. I agree that the trackpad on the Mac doesn't respond like it does 
on the iPhone. I don't have the same problem on the iPhone.

Regards,
Gigi

On Feb 26, 2012, at 11:05 PM, Esther wrote:

> Hi Dean,
> 
> There's the "Mute" button is on the F10 key.  I toggle this on and off by 
> pressing FN+F10, but that's because under System Preferences > Keyboard on 
> the Keyboard tab I have the box checked for "Use all F1, F2, etc. keys as 
> standard function keys".  If this box is not checked, you would just press 
> the F10 key by itself to toggle muting on and off. 
> 
> Alternatively, just pressing the key to raise volume (FN+F12, or F12) will 
> also undo muting.  There is a way to assign a key to the "Mute VoiceOver 
> Toggle" command, but I don't think there is any keyboard shortcut set by 
> default to that.  It would be too devastating to come across this by accident.
> 
> HTH.  Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> 
> On Feb 26, 2012, at 6:51 PM, Dean Adams wrote:
> 
>> Hi Everyone,
>>  Can anyone please tell me how I can turn speech on and Off with the 
>> keyboard I know you can mute voice over with the trackpad commander with a 
>> three finger double tap but I have a friend that has turned off speech 
>> somehow and can't get speech to come back on again any help with this would 
>> of great help.
>> Regards Dean
>> 
>> Sent from Dean Adams Macbook Pro
>> breezepa...@gmail.com
>> phone: 0243206031
>> Mobile: 0428133758
>> Skype : deanadams9
>> 
>> 
> 
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Re: turning speech on and off

[Eugenia Firth]

Hi guys.
I also use the track pad. It's the same command as on the iPhone. With the 
trackpad on, you can tap the trackpad twice with two fingers, just like on the 
iPhone. 

Regards,
Gigi

On Feb 26, 2012, at 11:05 PM, Esther wrote:

> Hi Dean,
> 
> There's the "Mute" button is on the F10 key.  I toggle this on and off by 
> pressing FN+F10, but that's because under System Preferences > Keyboard on 
> the Keyboard tab I have the box checked for "Use all F1, F2, etc. keys as 
> standard function keys".  If this box is not checked, you would just press 
> the F10 key by itself to toggle muting on and off. 
> 
> Alternatively, just pressing the key to raise volume (FN+F12, or F12) will 
> also undo muting.  There is a way to assign a key to the "Mute VoiceOver 
> Toggle" command, but I don't think there is any keyboard shortcut set by 
> default to that.  It would be too devastating to come across this by accident.
> 
> HTH.  Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> 
> On Feb 26, 2012, at 6:51 PM, Dean Adams wrote:
> 
>> Hi Everyone,
>>  Can anyone please tell me how I can turn speech on and Off with the 
>> keyboard I know you can mute voice over with the trackpad commander with a 
>> three finger double tap but I have a friend that has turned off speech 
>> somehow and can't get speech to come back on again any help with this would 
>> of great help.
>> Regards Dean
>> 
>> Sent from Dean Adams Macbook Pro
>> breezepa...@gmail.com
>> phone: 0243206031
>> Mobile: 0428133758
>> Skype : deanadams9
>> 
>> 
> 
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Re: turning speech on and off

[Esther]

Hi Dean,

There's the "Mute" button is on the F10 key.  I toggle this on and off by 
pressing FN+F10, but that's because under System Preferences > Keyboard on the 
Keyboard tab I have the box checked for "Use all F1, F2, etc. keys as standard 
function keys".  If this box is not checked, you would just press the F10 key 
by itself to toggle muting on and off. 

Alternatively, just pressing the key to raise volume (FN+F12, or F12) will also 
undo muting.  There is a way to assign a key to the "Mute VoiceOver Toggle" 
command, but I don't think there is any keyboard shortcut set by default to 
that.  It would be too devastating to come across this by accident.

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

On Feb 26, 2012, at 6:51 PM, Dean Adams wrote:

> Hi Everyone,
>   Can anyone please tell me how I can turn speech on and Off with the 
> keyboard I know you can mute voice over with the trackpad commander with a 
> three finger double tap but I have a friend that has turned off speech 
> somehow and can't get speech to come back on again any help with this would 
> of great help.
> Regards Dean
> 
> Sent from Dean Adams Macbook Pro
> breezepa...@gmail.com
> phone: 0243206031
> Mobile: 0428133758
> Skype : deanadams9
> 
> 

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turning speech on and off

[Dean Adams]

Hi Everyone,
Can anyone please tell me how I can turn speech on and Off with the 
keyboard I know you can mute voice over with the trackpad commander with a 
three finger double tap but I have a friend that has turned off speech somehow 
and can't get speech to come back on again any help with this would of great 
help.
Regards Dean

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Re: Braille Touch: please help get Apple onboard

[Alex Hall]

It is not. There is an app called TypeInBraille, which is not the same
thing as the upcoming app at all; don't confuse the two, or you may
decide that input will not work. TypeInBraille uses a concept where
you enter a cell one row at a time; tap the left side for dot 1, the
right for dot 4, tap two fingers for 1 and 4, or tap three fingers to
skip this row. Once you do one of these, you move to the same gestures
for dots 2 and 5, then dots 3 and 6. So, you basically enter each
character two dots at a time.
Braille Touch, on the other hand, uses all six dots at once, Hold your
iTouch sideways, the home button to the left or right, and put your
thumbs behind the device. Put three fingers of each hand on the
screen, facing each other, as though the two rows of the standard
braille keyboard had been pivoted up so the tops of the keys faced
each other across the empty middle of the screen. From this position
you would type your braille. I tried it (with the iPod locked, but it
gave me an idea) and it took getting used to. Even so, I was getting
pretty good after a while, and it was easy to make the characters once
I stopped trying to think and just let my fingers do the typing. The
orientation is weird at first, though.
Anyway, the app will be available sometime this year; I have heard as
late as fall and as early as a couple weeks, so who knows? The team
developing it says it will be free when it comes out, so everyone can
try it to see how they like it.

On 2/26/12, James Mannion  wrote:
> I see your point about hoping to incorporate it as a keyboard option
> similar to a language keyboard. Braille is kind of a "language". I
> agree that making it an additional option and not taking anything away
> is an extremely important point to stress. Is the stand alone app
> available in the US yet? I could not find it and I wanted to see what
> my efficiency would be with using it. Someone had it that posted to
> the list from the UK I believe, but I could not get it to come up on a
> search at all.
>
> On 2/26/12, erik burggraaf  wrote:
>> You guys are all crazy.  :)  the code is already written, tested, and
>> working.  No one is saying you have to use it just because it's
>> implemented.
>>  We're just saying it should be a choice for people who want it.  Apple
>> could do this by taking the code that's already been tested and
>> implementing
>> it across the board in stead of restricting it to it's own app.  It's a
>> move
>> that makes sense.  If you don't like to type in braille yourself, just
>> ignore the option, but since the work to make it happen is already done,
>> why
>> not let people who find it useful... well... use it?
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Erik Burggraaf
>> Currently on ebony promos: Ebony consulting on android accessibility, New
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>> or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com
>>
>> On 2012-02-26, at 8:54 PM, Eugenia Firth wrote:
>>
>>> Hi guys.
>>> Well, I can't imagine how this would be an advantage, but then, this is
>>> no
>>> flat screen, no way, for the year 2010 speaking here. Back in 2010, I
>>> couldn't imagine how we could do flat screens. When I hear about flat
>>> screens these days, I think, does it work like the iPhone, and if it
>>> doesn't I don't want it. I write very fast in braille. I probably braille
>>> faster than I type. Now that I have Siri, I don't use my keyboard on the
>>> iPhone as much. Somebody I know made the incredible comment that she
>>> thought sighted people would learn braille so they could increase their
>>> typing speed on the iPhone. I can kind of see sighted people learning a
>>> few things, but really, I just can't see sighted people doing that. My
>>> sighted husband still uses a cheat sheet to write grade 1, and he
>>> sometimes writes unique braille.
>>>
>>> I, for one, think there are some more pressing issues for us. For one
>>> thing, I just had to go use that desktop machine running under Vista to
>>> get some tax forms done. I'm  reluctant to put
>>> Windows on my Mac as some of you have, so I sat in the other room for
>>> several hours today with two computers in the office, one of which was
>>> the
>>> Mac. I know how to do tax forms, no problem, but going back and forth to
>>> get numbers, etc. slowed me down considerable.
>>>
>>> About once a year, and sometimes more often, I really need that program
>>> to
>>> fill out PDF forms. I hate PDF files.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Gigi
>>>
>>> On Feb 26, 2012, at 5:29 PM, Alex Hall wrote:
>>>
 Again, I don't want them to change their guidelines to let any app
 developer add keyboards. What I want is for them to take the code and
 use it as a keyboard in iOS, not an app in any way. So, when you
 unpack an iPhone running a version of iOS with the keyboard in it
 (probably 6 as 5.1 is already in b

Re: Ical question

[Marc Sutton]

Hi Kawal,
No problem. I suspected you might be referring to the addressbook. It seems 
like there is a lot of interacting necessary in order to browse a calendar. I 
will see if the iphone app is more efficient.

On Feb 26, 2012, at 1:19 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:

> Oh Mark,
> 
> I just realise that I have been talking about the address book.  Please 
> forgive me for that as I must have been very tired when I wrote that first 
> message and I had been in my address book yesterday and thought it was the 
> calendar for no good reason.
> 
> But yes, interact with the entries on your calendar and you need to interact 
> again with the information once you find an entry that you want to read.  I 
> normally use the calendar on my I phone as it is much easier than my Mac 
> although I have entered dates and events using my Mac Book Pro and when 
> putting in new events, I normally do command N for new, then vo right tro 
> where the title and location is to go, and so on until the fields are all 
> filled in, once I want to go to a particular entry, stop interacting, then vo 
> right until I get to the scroll area, interact twice to read the information.
> 
> Again please accept my apology.
> 
> Kawal.
> 
> On 26 Feb 2012, at 07:22 PM, Marc Sutton  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Kawal,
>> I don't find any tables in ical. I am just wondering what you mean vy 
>> contacts. Do you mean events? I am using ical under lion and there are dates 
>> listed but not in any table view. Thanks.
>> Marc
>> 
>> On Feb 25, 2012, at 11:51 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
>> 
>>> I found that choice by accident when doing VO right arrow once I got past 
>>> the contacts table (not in the view menu) either.  There is a list view or 
>>> a table group, it's radio buttons.  Just choose the table group.  I had 
>>> formatted my Mac prior to this so I don't know if that was the default.
>>> 
>>> Kawal.
>>> 
>>> On 26 Feb 2012, at 03:24 AM, Marc Sutton  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Kiwal,
 I am wondering how you choose the table view in ical. There is no menu 
 choice for this under view. Thanks.
 Marc
 
 On Feb 25, 2012, at 2:58 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
 
> Hello Mark.
> 
> I suggest if you are using the Ical on your mac, make sure your contacts 
> are in table view then when you get to what entry you want to hear, stop 
> interacting with that entry, go to the scroll area and interact twice and 
> vo right arrow through that entry.  That is how I do it.  You can also 
> install a wigit or you have a wigit which you will find (forget where it 
> is) as I've not used them yet, and there you can view your calendar 
> entries.
> 
> Please someone correct me if there is a better way to use the calendar.
> 
> Kawal.
> 
> On 25 Feb 2012, at 09:34 PM, Marc Sutton  wrote:
> 
>> Hello,
>> I am just starting to explore the Ical program. I have it set to week 
>> view. I added some entries. When I move through the week using vo, i 
>> will hear about one event on a particular day. Does anyone know how to 
>> hear the time of that event and even hear all the events for that day 
>> spoken at once. I am trying to figure out how to quickly and efficiently 
>> use the calendar. This would be one feature that could make that 
>> possible--the ability to quickly scan events scheduled for the future. 
>> Any tips?
>> Thanks. Marc
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Re: Braille Touch: please help get Apple onboard

[James Mannion]

I see your point about hoping to incorporate it as a keyboard option
similar to a language keyboard. Braille is kind of a "language". I
agree that making it an additional option and not taking anything away
is an extremely important point to stress. Is the stand alone app
available in the US yet? I could not find it and I wanted to see what
my efficiency would be with using it. Someone had it that posted to
the list from the UK I believe, but I could not get it to come up on a
search at all.

On 2/26/12, erik burggraaf  wrote:
> You guys are all crazy.  :)  the code is already written, tested, and
> working.  No one is saying you have to use it just because it's implemented.
>  We're just saying it should be a choice for people who want it.  Apple
> could do this by taking the code that's already been tested and implementing
> it across the board in stead of restricting it to it's own app.  It's a move
> that makes sense.  If you don't like to type in braille yourself, just
> ignore the option, but since the work to make it happen is already done, why
> not let people who find it useful... well... use it?
>
> Best,
>
> Erik Burggraaf
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> On 2012-02-26, at 8:54 PM, Eugenia Firth wrote:
>
>> Hi guys.
>> Well, I can't imagine how this would be an advantage, but then, this is no
>> flat screen, no way, for the year 2010 speaking here. Back in 2010, I
>> couldn't imagine how we could do flat screens. When I hear about flat
>> screens these days, I think, does it work like the iPhone, and if it
>> doesn't I don't want it. I write very fast in braille. I probably braille
>> faster than I type. Now that I have Siri, I don't use my keyboard on the
>> iPhone as much. Somebody I know made the incredible comment that she
>> thought sighted people would learn braille so they could increase their
>> typing speed on the iPhone. I can kind of see sighted people learning a
>> few things, but really, I just can't see sighted people doing that. My
>> sighted husband still uses a cheat sheet to write grade 1, and he
>> sometimes writes unique braille.
>>
>> I, for one, think there are some more pressing issues for us. For one
>> thing, I just had to go use that desktop machine running under Vista to
>> get some tax forms done. I'm  reluctant to put
>> Windows on my Mac as some of you have, so I sat in the other room for
>> several hours today with two computers in the office, one of which was the
>> Mac. I know how to do tax forms, no problem, but going back and forth to
>> get numbers, etc. slowed me down considerable.
>>
>> About once a year, and sometimes more often, I really need that program to
>> fill out PDF forms. I hate PDF files.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Gigi
>>
>> On Feb 26, 2012, at 5:29 PM, Alex Hall wrote:
>>
>>> Again, I don't want them to change their guidelines to let any app
>>> developer add keyboards. What I want is for them to take the code and
>>> use it as a keyboard in iOS, not an app in any way. So, when you
>>> unpack an iPhone running a version of iOS with the keyboard in it
>>> (probably 6 as 5.1 is already in beta), there is no "braille keyboard"
>>> app hangin out on your home screen. Rather, it is just there, like the
>>> foreign language keyboards are there.
>>>
>>> As to advantage: in a word, yes. I use qwerty and braille entry about
>>> equally, probably leaning more toward qwerty actually, and I am very
>>> fast with both. Qwerty on iOS, though, is different since it is not
>>> just typing, it is having to find a character, make sure it is right,
>>> wait for it to be entered, then repeat. No muscle memory and a lot of
>>> moving one finger make it a slow and inefficient typing method, and
>>> anyone, sighted or blind, will tell you the same (at least they have
>>> in my experience). Braille on iOS, though, allows for typing with no
>>> moving all over the screen and with the ability to type from memory.
>>> Yes, you can memorize the key positions of the qwerty keyboard, but
>>> getting off by one can result in very odd words, especially if you
>>> don't take the time to listen to the selected character before
>>> entering, you get offset a character, and you keep going from that new
>>> reference point.
>>> Don't compare your typing in braille to typing with a keyboard.
>>> Rather, compare your braille typing to the onscreen keyboard (not
>>> using Siri) and see if it isn't faster to use braille. Also, onscreen
>>> braille is not the same as onscreen qwerty, since there is nothing to
>>> wait for and no moving to do. I hope I explained this well.
>>>
>>> On 2/26/12, Scott Howell  wrote:
 Alex,

 With all do respect and coming from a Braille user; I think this is
 go

Re: Braille Touch: please help get Apple onboard

[erik burggraaf]

You guys are all crazy.  :)  the code is already written, tested, and working.  
No one is saying you have to use it just because it's implemented.  We're just 
saying it should be a choice for people who want it.  Apple could do this by 
taking the code that's already been tested and implementing it across the board 
in stead of restricting it to it's own app.  It's a move that makes sense.  If 
you don't like to type in braille yourself, just ignore the option, but since 
the work to make it happen is already done, why not let people who find it 
useful... well... use it?

Best,

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On 2012-02-26, at 8:54 PM, Eugenia Firth wrote:

> Hi guys.
> Well, I can't imagine how this would be an advantage, but then, this is no 
> flat screen, no way, for the year 2010 speaking here. Back in 2010, I 
> couldn't imagine how we could do flat screens. When I hear about flat screens 
> these days, I think, does it work like the iPhone, and if it doesn't I don't 
> want it. I write very fast in braille. I probably braille faster than I type. 
> Now that I have Siri, I don't use my keyboard on the iPhone as much. Somebody 
> I know made the incredible comment that she thought sighted people would 
> learn braille so they could increase their typing speed on the iPhone. I can 
> kind of see sighted people learning a few things, but really, I just can't 
> see sighted people doing that. My sighted husband still uses a cheat sheet to 
> write grade 1, and he sometimes writes unique braille. 
> 
> I, for one, think there are some more pressing issues for us. For one thing, 
> I just had to go use that desktop machine running under Vista to get some tax 
> forms done. I'm  reluctant to put 
> Windows on my Mac as some of you have, so I sat in the other room for several 
> hours today with two computers in the office, one of which was the Mac. I 
> know how to do tax forms, no problem, but going back and forth to get 
> numbers, etc. slowed me down considerable. 
> 
> About once a year, and sometimes more often, I really need that program to 
> fill out PDF forms. I hate PDF files. 
> 
> Regards,
> Gigi
> 
> On Feb 26, 2012, at 5:29 PM, Alex Hall wrote:
> 
>> Again, I don't want them to change their guidelines to let any app
>> developer add keyboards. What I want is for them to take the code and
>> use it as a keyboard in iOS, not an app in any way. So, when you
>> unpack an iPhone running a version of iOS with the keyboard in it
>> (probably 6 as 5.1 is already in beta), there is no "braille keyboard"
>> app hangin out on your home screen. Rather, it is just there, like the
>> foreign language keyboards are there.
>> 
>> As to advantage: in a word, yes. I use qwerty and braille entry about
>> equally, probably leaning more toward qwerty actually, and I am very
>> fast with both. Qwerty on iOS, though, is different since it is not
>> just typing, it is having to find a character, make sure it is right,
>> wait for it to be entered, then repeat. No muscle memory and a lot of
>> moving one finger make it a slow and inefficient typing method, and
>> anyone, sighted or blind, will tell you the same (at least they have
>> in my experience). Braille on iOS, though, allows for typing with no
>> moving all over the screen and with the ability to type from memory.
>> Yes, you can memorize the key positions of the qwerty keyboard, but
>> getting off by one can result in very odd words, especially if you
>> don't take the time to listen to the selected character before
>> entering, you get offset a character, and you keep going from that new
>> reference point.
>> Don't compare your typing in braille to typing with a keyboard.
>> Rather, compare your braille typing to the onscreen keyboard (not
>> using Siri) and see if it isn't faster to use braille. Also, onscreen
>> braille is not the same as onscreen qwerty, since there is nothing to
>> wait for and no moving to do. I hope I explained this well.
>> 
>> On 2/26/12, Scott Howell  wrote:
>>> Alex,
>>> 
>>> With all do respect and coming from a Braille user; I think this is going to
>>> be a very difficult road. You are essentially asking APple to allow any
>>> developer of such the ability to have the same acces. There is already a
>>> Braille entry app out there and despite the fact it is not quite the same
>>> thing, you have to offer the same access. Furthermore, I cannot imagine
>>> trying to Braille on the iPhone screen myself, so I'm not sure (and I speak
>>> for myself) this is going to be particularly easy to work with. Is this
>>> really going to offer any advantage to users? Is there truly a benefit to be
>>> had? I think these are reasonable questions. 

Play/Pause YouTube Videos

[Michael Malarsie]

Hey guys I have a question of my own.
To this day I can't figure out how to pause and resume playing YouTube 
videos. I have always had to just let them play and I listen to the Voice Over. 
Any info for me? I am hoping there is an wasy solution that I have just 
overlooked like I have with some other basic functions. Thanks everyone!


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Re: more on status not being read in Mail

[M. Taylor]

Hello,

I did, indeed, report this bug to Apple.

Mark
On Feb 25, 2012, at 2:53 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:

> Hello Donna.
> 
> If you are usimg the latest update in Lion, what you experience is a bug or 
> problem as Mark Taylor brought this to the list's attention when he installed 
> the latest update.  As I recall, he was going to write to Apple Accessability 
> although I have no idea if this has been done as there were other list 
> members doing the same.  I'd suggest you write to the Accessability team at 
> Apple explaining what you experience with the latest update in mail if you 
> are using that.
> 
> Kawal.
> 
> On 25 Feb 2012, at 09:33 PM, "Goodin, Donna"  wrote:
> 
>> Hi again, all,
>> 
>> It seems that the only thing that isn't being read is whether a message is 
>> read or unread.  VO does announce if if I have replied to a message.  this 
>> is really strange and very annoying.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
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Re: Two More Silly Questions

[Michael Malarsie]

Ok here is the link. Let me know if you need me to clarify anything. It should 
be clear enough if my memory hasn't failed me. Enjoy!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKxWbBuDSSI
On Feb 26, 2012, at 8:56 PM, Ezzie Bueno wrote:

> Hello Mike,
> 
> I do use Lion. Could you please send a link to the tutorial on YouTube?
> 
> Thank you,
> Ezzie Bueno
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> On Feb 26, 2012, at 6:53 PM, Michael Malarsie wrote:
> 
>> This is what I do for signatures.
>>  There is a built in text expander in Lion that you can turn on. Then 
>> you can type whatever your signature is and choose that letters will expand 
>> to it the hardest part is turning on the expander. I have a YouTube tytorial 
>> on it if you are interseted. Again this only works in Lion.
>> 
>> Mike Malarsie 
>> On Feb 26, 2012, at 8:46 PM, Ezzie Buenito wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello again,
>>> 
>>> Here are two more silly questions for y'all:
>>> 
>>> 1) How exactly can I get signatures to be pasted at the bottom of each 
>>> email? I've created signatures, but do not see them in the option in which 
>>> I would normally select a signature.
>>> 2) Where are photos and movie clips from Photo Booth normally stored?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Ezzie
>>> 
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Re: Two More Silly Questions

[Ezzie Bueno]

Hello Mike,

I do use Lion. Could you please send a link to the tutorial on YouTube?

Thank you,
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On Feb 26, 2012, at 6:53 PM, Michael Malarsie wrote:

> This is what I do for signatures.
>   There is a built in text expander in Lion that you can turn on. Then 
> you can type whatever your signature is and choose that letters will expand 
> to it the hardest part is turning on the expander. I have a YouTube tytorial 
> on it if you are interseted. Again this only works in Lion.
> 
> Mike Malarsie 
> On Feb 26, 2012, at 8:46 PM, Ezzie Buenito wrote:
> 
>> Hello again,
>> 
>> Here are two more silly questions for y'all:
>> 
>> 1) How exactly can I get signatures to be pasted at the bottom of each 
>> email? I've created signatures, but do not see them in the option in which I 
>> would normally select a signature.
>> 2) Where are photos and movie clips from Photo Booth normally stored?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Ezzie
>> 
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Re: Two More Silly Questions

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This is what I do for signatures.
There is a built in text expander in Lion that you can turn on. Then 
you can type whatever your signature is and choose that letters will expand to 
it the hardest part is turning on the expander. I have a YouTube tytorial on it 
if you are interseted. Again this only works in Lion.

Mike Malarsie 
On Feb 26, 2012, at 8:46 PM, Ezzie Buenito wrote:

> Hello again,
> 
> Here are two more silly questions for y'all:
> 
> 1) How exactly can I get signatures to be pasted at the bottom of each email? 
> I've created signatures, but do not see them in the option in which I would 
> normally select a signature.
> 2) Where are photos and movie clips from Photo Booth normally stored?
> 
> Thanks,
> Ezzie
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Two More Silly Questions

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> Hello again,
> 
> Here are two more silly questions for y'all:
> 
> 1) How exactly can I get signatures to be pasted at the bottom of each email? 
> I've created signatures, but do not see them in the option in which I would 
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> 
> Thanks,
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Two More Silly Questions

[Ezzie Buenito]

Hello again,

Here are two more silly questions for y'all:

1) How exactly can I get signatures to be pasted at the bottom of each email? 
I've created signatures, but do not see them in the option in which I would 
normally select a signature.
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Re: Braille Touch: please help get Apple onboard

[Becky Knaub]

I see what you mean. There is a difference in something being accessible and 
being easy and quick for people to use in an equal fashion to sighted people. 
Yes we can type on the keyboard but it is not quick, or that easy. It takes 
time and can be frustrating. I hope they at least think it over.

Becky
On Feb 26, 2012, at 8:58 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:

> Here is one reason among many why android is much more flexible, adding this 
> functionality will not have any restrictions. Yes, Apple does not allow 
> adding other keyboards, or input methods as they might be called. The thing 
> is, if Apple allows this one, other developers will want to do the same 
> thing. That may not be a bad thing, alternative keyboards may be a good 
> thing, but I would not count on Apple changing their policy on this one. Also 
> their thought could be, the built in on screen keyboard is already 
> accessible, why not use that? That is a valid point, guess time will tell on 
> this one.
> On Feb 26, 2012, at 4:51 PM, Alex Hall wrote:
> 
>> Hello all,
>> There has been much discussion about the new Braille Touch app lately.
>> For anyone who missed it, this is an app coming out sometime this year
>> that lets users type in braille on an iOS or Android device.
>> Basically, you hold the device sideways, the home button to your right
>> or left. You then place three fingers on either end of the screen and
>> start typing. This beats the current braille entry app out there
>> because (1) it will be free and (2) it lets you enter the character
>> all at once, not a row at a time.
>> 
>> Here is where it needs your help: Apple's developer guidelines and
>> terms of service state that, basically, no app can add its own
>> keyboard to the keyboards available in iOS. this means that there is
>> no way to use the braille keyboard outside the app; no writing texts
>> or emails with it, no using it to do a search, no nothing. Yes, you
>> can use the app and then copy and paste, but if you just want to write
>> a quick email, add a contact, or even edit a document, you can't take
>> advantage of braille. Apple needs to know that we (blind and visually
>> impaired users of iOS) want and need this functionality in iOS. Please
>> take a couple minutes to send a message to accessibil...@apple.com.
>> Tell them you want them to include Braille Touch's keyboard in iOS so
>> that it can be used where ever you need to enter text, in place of the
>> on-screen QWERTY keyboard that iOS currently forces you to use. Point
>> out that this keyboard transforms the iOS line of products from PDAs
>> with great accessibility into true braille devices. Most of all, tell
>> them how important it is to you that this feature be included
>> system-wide as soon as possible. Offer any further suggestions,
>> testimonials, and anything else you think will help, but please take
>> the time to send accessibil...@apple.com a message asking them to take
>> this massive step into the future of accessibility. Thanks for your
>> time and effort. Also, please send this request to anyone else who can
>> help (other lists, friends or family who use iOS, braille instructors
>> familiar with iOS... anyone). Remember that the more interest Apple
>> sees in this, the more likely they are to take notice and do something
>> about it. They have always been good at listening to feedback from
>> their accessibility market, so let's take advantage of that to push
>> for this braille keyboard.
>> 
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Re: Moing Emails To A Different Mailbox

[Esther]

Hi Gigi and Ezzie,
Is Ezzie using Snow Leopard?  Under Lion my Inbox got installed as a "Favorite 
Mailbox", so I can automatically move selected messages, including "junk" 
emails to my Inbox by pressing Command-Control-1, which is listed under the 
options of the "Mailbox" menu on Mail's menu bar.  Cut and paste also works, 
but I think under Snow Leopard there was an option for moving your selection to 
another mailbox, too, similar to how it's done in iOS.  It's not something I 
used very often, so I don't remember the sequence off the top of my head.

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

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> Hi Ezzie.
> I don't know if this work with snow kitty, but in Lion, If you go to the 
> table of your messages, you should be able to select them with shift down 
> arrow. Then press command X to cut them. Then go to the folder title where 
> you want them to go and press command V. 
> 
> Regards
> Gigi
> 
> On Feb 26, 2012, at 3:49 PM, Ezzie Bueno wrote:
> 
>>> Hello list,
>>> 
>>> Several of my emails have been marked "JUNK" and are in my junk folder. How 
>>> can I move these emails to my regular inbox?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Ezzie Bueno
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Braille Touch: please help get Apple onboard

[Alex Hall]

Once more, though, I don't want apple to change anything. I want them
to take this concept, now that they have seen the interest (and
showing them the interest is my reason for starting this thread) and
put it into iOS themselves. This requires no change to the TOS for
developers, since the keyboard is *not* an app and is *not* in any way
supported by a third party; it is apple all the way. I am hopeful that
apple can see this, and understand that the blindness market for iOS
is very interested here. Besides, they have a history of taking ideas
from apps they did not approve, and incorporating those ideas (such as
the camera improvements in 5.0 - those are from jailbreak apps).

On 2/26/12, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> Here is one reason among many why android is much more flexible, adding this
> functionality will not have any restrictions. Yes, Apple does not allow
> adding other keyboards, or input methods as they might be called. The thing
> is, if Apple allows this one, other developers will want to do the same
> thing. That may not be a bad thing, alternative keyboards may be a good
> thing, but I would not count on Apple changing their policy on this one.
> Also their thought could be, the built in on screen keyboard is already
> accessible, why not use that? That is a valid point, guess time will tell on
> this one.
> On Feb 26, 2012, at 4:51 PM, Alex Hall wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>> There has been much discussion about the new Braille Touch app lately.
>> For anyone who missed it, this is an app coming out sometime this year
>> that lets users type in braille on an iOS or Android device.
>> Basically, you hold the device sideways, the home button to your right
>> or left. You then place three fingers on either end of the screen and
>> start typing. This beats the current braille entry app out there
>> because (1) it will be free and (2) it lets you enter the character
>> all at once, not a row at a time.
>>
>> Here is where it needs your help: Apple's developer guidelines and
>> terms of service state that, basically, no app can add its own
>> keyboard to the keyboards available in iOS. this means that there is
>> no way to use the braille keyboard outside the app; no writing texts
>> or emails with it, no using it to do a search, no nothing. Yes, you
>> can use the app and then copy and paste, but if you just want to write
>> a quick email, add a contact, or even edit a document, you can't take
>> advantage of braille. Apple needs to know that we (blind and visually
>> impaired users of iOS) want and need this functionality in iOS. Please
>> take a couple minutes to send a message to accessibil...@apple.com.
>> Tell them you want them to include Braille Touch's keyboard in iOS so
>> that it can be used where ever you need to enter text, in place of the
>> on-screen QWERTY keyboard that iOS currently forces you to use. Point
>> out that this keyboard transforms the iOS line of products from PDAs
>> with great accessibility into true braille devices. Most of all, tell
>> them how important it is to you that this feature be included
>> system-wide as soon as possible. Offer any further suggestions,
>> testimonials, and anything else you think will help, but please take
>> the time to send accessibil...@apple.com a message asking them to take
>> this massive step into the future of accessibility. Thanks for your
>> time and effort. Also, please send this request to anyone else who can
>> help (other lists, friends or family who use iOS, braille instructors
>> familiar with iOS... anyone). Remember that the more interest Apple
>> sees in this, the more likely they are to take notice and do something
>> about it. They have always been good at listening to feedback from
>> their accessibility market, so let's take advantage of that to push
>> for this braille keyboard.
>>
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Re: Mail Mail and spell check

[Red.Falcon]

sorry Bill!
No I did not!
I was going to write the solution at the end if they worked!
So change to manual checking if you prefer that!
Colin

On 27 Feb 2012, at 01:53, Bill Holton wrote:

> Confused by your messages.  Were you able to stop the message from going
> out?
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Red.Falcon
> Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2012 8:16 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Mail Mail and spell check
> 
> Hi Bill!
> I will check this before sending this one and if it still works I will say
> after this word!
> 
> On 27 Feb 2012, at 01:07, Bill Holton wrote:
> 
>> Hi.
>> I set my spell check to go off before the message is sent.  But just
> discovered that if I decide the go back and look at the sentence I put the
> word in there doesn't seem to be a way out.  Pressing escape on the  spell
> check causes the spell check to end and the message to be sent.  Did I make
> a mistake using this setting?
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Re: Moing Emails To A Different Mailbox

[Eugenia Firth]

Hi Ezzie.
I don't know if this work with snow kitty, but in Lion, If you go to the table 
of your messages, you should be able to select them with shift down arrow. Then 
press command X to cut them. Then go to the folder title where you want them to 
go and press command V. 

Regards
Gigi

On Feb 26, 2012, at 3:49 PM, Ezzie Bueno wrote:

>> Hello list,
>> 
>> Several of my emails have been marked "JUNK" and are in my junk folder. How 
>> can I move these emails to my regular inbox?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Ezzie Bueno
>> 
>> 
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Re: Braille Touch: please help get Apple onboard

[Mike Arrigo]

Here is one reason among many why android is much more flexible, adding this 
functionality will not have any restrictions. Yes, Apple does not allow adding 
other keyboards, or input methods as they might be called. The thing is, if 
Apple allows this one, other developers will want to do the same thing. That 
may not be a bad thing, alternative keyboards may be a good thing, but I would 
not count on Apple changing their policy on this one. Also their thought could 
be, the built in on screen keyboard is already accessible, why not use that? 
That is a valid point, guess time will tell on this one.
On Feb 26, 2012, at 4:51 PM, Alex Hall wrote:

> Hello all,
> There has been much discussion about the new Braille Touch app lately.
> For anyone who missed it, this is an app coming out sometime this year
> that lets users type in braille on an iOS or Android device.
> Basically, you hold the device sideways, the home button to your right
> or left. You then place three fingers on either end of the screen and
> start typing. This beats the current braille entry app out there
> because (1) it will be free and (2) it lets you enter the character
> all at once, not a row at a time.
> 
> Here is where it needs your help: Apple's developer guidelines and
> terms of service state that, basically, no app can add its own
> keyboard to the keyboards available in iOS. this means that there is
> no way to use the braille keyboard outside the app; no writing texts
> or emails with it, no using it to do a search, no nothing. Yes, you
> can use the app and then copy and paste, but if you just want to write
> a quick email, add a contact, or even edit a document, you can't take
> advantage of braille. Apple needs to know that we (blind and visually
> impaired users of iOS) want and need this functionality in iOS. Please
> take a couple minutes to send a message to accessibil...@apple.com.
> Tell them you want them to include Braille Touch's keyboard in iOS so
> that it can be used where ever you need to enter text, in place of the
> on-screen QWERTY keyboard that iOS currently forces you to use. Point
> out that this keyboard transforms the iOS line of products from PDAs
> with great accessibility into true braille devices. Most of all, tell
> them how important it is to you that this feature be included
> system-wide as soon as possible. Offer any further suggestions,
> testimonials, and anything else you think will help, but please take
> the time to send accessibil...@apple.com a message asking them to take
> this massive step into the future of accessibility. Thanks for your
> time and effort. Also, please send this request to anyone else who can
> help (other lists, friends or family who use iOS, braille instructors
> familiar with iOS... anyone). Remember that the more interest Apple
> sees in this, the more likely they are to take notice and do something
> about it. They have always been good at listening to feedback from
> their accessibility market, so let's take advantage of that to push
> for this braille keyboard.
> 
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RE: Mail Mail and spell check

[Bill Holton]

Confused by your messages.  Were you able to stop the message from going
out?


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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Red.Falcon
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2012 8:16 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mail Mail and spell check

Hi Bill!
I will check this before sending this one and if it still works I will say
after this word!

On 27 Feb 2012, at 01:07, Bill Holton wrote:

> Hi.
> I set my spell check to go off before the message is sent.  But just
discovered that if I decide the go back and look at the sentence I put the
word in there doesn't seem to be a way out.  Pressing escape on the  spell
check causes the spell check to end and the message to be sent.  Did I make
a mistake using this setting?
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Re: Braille Touch: please help get Apple onboard

[Eugenia Firth]

Hi guys.
Well, I can't imagine how this would be an advantage, but then, this is no flat 
screen, no way, for the year 2010 speaking here. Back in 2010, I couldn't 
imagine how we could do flat screens. When I hear about flat screens these 
days, I think, does it work like the iPhone, and if it doesn't I don't want it. 
I write very fast in braille. I probably braille faster than I type. Now that I 
have Siri, I don't use my keyboard on the iPhone as much. Somebody I know made 
the incredible comment that she thought sighted people would learn braille so 
they could increase their typing speed on the iPhone. I can kind of see sighted 
people learning a few things, but really, I just can't see sighted people doing 
that. My sighted husband still uses a cheat sheet to write grade 1, and he 
sometimes writes unique braille. 

I, for one, think there are some more pressing issues for us. For one thing, I 
just had to go use that desktop machine running under Vista to get some tax 
forms done. I'm  reluctant to put 
Windows on my Mac as some of you have, so I sat in the other room for several 
hours today with two computers in the office, one of which was the Mac. I know 
how to do tax forms, no problem, but going back and forth to get numbers, etc. 
slowed me down considerable. 

About once a year, and sometimes more often, I really need that program to fill 
out PDF forms. I hate PDF files. 

Regards,
Gigi

On Feb 26, 2012, at 5:29 PM, Alex Hall wrote:

> Again, I don't want them to change their guidelines to let any app
> developer add keyboards. What I want is for them to take the code and
> use it as a keyboard in iOS, not an app in any way. So, when you
> unpack an iPhone running a version of iOS with the keyboard in it
> (probably 6 as 5.1 is already in beta), there is no "braille keyboard"
> app hangin out on your home screen. Rather, it is just there, like the
> foreign language keyboards are there.
> 
> As to advantage: in a word, yes. I use qwerty and braille entry about
> equally, probably leaning more toward qwerty actually, and I am very
> fast with both. Qwerty on iOS, though, is different since it is not
> just typing, it is having to find a character, make sure it is right,
> wait for it to be entered, then repeat. No muscle memory and a lot of
> moving one finger make it a slow and inefficient typing method, and
> anyone, sighted or blind, will tell you the same (at least they have
> in my experience). Braille on iOS, though, allows for typing with no
> moving all over the screen and with the ability to type from memory.
> Yes, you can memorize the key positions of the qwerty keyboard, but
> getting off by one can result in very odd words, especially if you
> don't take the time to listen to the selected character before
> entering, you get offset a character, and you keep going from that new
> reference point.
> Don't compare your typing in braille to typing with a keyboard.
> Rather, compare your braille typing to the onscreen keyboard (not
> using Siri) and see if it isn't faster to use braille. Also, onscreen
> braille is not the same as onscreen qwerty, since there is nothing to
> wait for and no moving to do. I hope I explained this well.
> 
> On 2/26/12, Scott Howell  wrote:
>> Alex,
>> 
>> With all do respect and coming from a Braille user; I think this is going to
>> be a very difficult road. You are essentially asking APple to allow any
>> developer of such the ability to have the same acces. There is already a
>> Braille entry app out there and despite the fact it is not quite the same
>> thing, you have to offer the same access. Furthermore, I cannot imagine
>> trying to Braille on the iPhone screen myself, so I'm not sure (and I speak
>> for myself) this is going to be particularly easy to work with. Is this
>> really going to offer any advantage to users? Is there truly a benefit to be
>> had? I think these are reasonable questions. Now as a reminder because I
>> know some will get pretty spun-up, I am a Braille user myself, but I
>> arguably can out type myself when it comes to Braille. So, again, an
>> interesting idea I just think that APple would have to implement as another
>> keyboard and not as an app.
>> 
>> On Feb 26, 2012, at 5:51 PM, Alex Hall wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello all,
>>> There has been much discussion about the new Braille Touch app lately.
>>> For anyone who missed it, this is an app coming out sometime this year
>>> that lets users type in braille on an iOS or Android device.
>>> Basically, you hold the device sideways, the home button to your right
>>> or left. You then place three fingers on either end of the screen and
>>> start typing. This beats the current braille entry app out there
>>> because (1) it will be free and (2) it lets you enter the character
>>> all at once, not a row at a time.
>>> 
>>> Here is where it needs your help: Apple's developer guidelines and
>>> terms of service state that, basically, no app can add its own
>>> keyboard to the keyboar

Re: Mail Mail and spell check

[Red.Falcon]

So I tried closing it from the top menu and within vo+shift+m and using the 
close button in the spell check window and as you saw the message was sent 
every time!
I use the same check before sending!
I saw in the top menu something and will try that now!
if it works I'll say next! :]
On 27 Feb 2012, at 01:07, Bill Holton wrote:

> Hi.
> I set my spell check to go off before the message is sent.  But just 
> discovered that if I decide the go back and look at the sentence I put the 
> word in there doesn't seem to be a way out.  Pressing escape on the  spell 
> check causes the spell check to end and the message to be sent.  Did I make a 
> mistake using this setting?
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> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
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> Reply-To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> 
> Hi.
> I set my spell check to go off before the message is sent.  But just 
> discovered that if I decide the go back and look at the sentence I put the 
> word in there doesn't seem to be a way out.  Pressing escape on the  spell 
> check causes the spell check to end and the message to be sent.  Did I make a 
> mistake using this setting?
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Re: Mail Mail and spell check

[Red.Falcon]

At this rate someone else will just tell us!
So will it be 3rd time lucky!
Colin
Lets see!

On 27 Feb 2012, at 01:07, Bill Holton wrote:

> Hi.
> I set my spell check to go off before the message is sent.  But just 
> discovered that if I decide the go back and look at the sentence I put the 
> word in there doesn't seem to be a way out.  Pressing escape on the  spell 
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Re: Mail Mail and spell check

[Red.Falcon]

Hi again well that did not work!I'll try again I'm sure there is a way!
And like before I'll say after this!

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> word in there doesn't seem to be a way out.  Pressing escape on the  spell 
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Re: Mail Mail and spell check

[Red.Falcon]

Hi Bill!
I will check this before sending this one and if it still works I will say 
after this word!

On 27 Feb 2012, at 01:07, Bill Holton wrote:

> Hi.
> I set my spell check to go off before the message is sent.  But just 
> discovered that if I decide the go back and look at the sentence I put the 
> word in there doesn't seem to be a way out.  Pressing escape on the  spell 
> check causes the spell check to end and the message to be sent.  Did I make a 
> mistake using this setting?
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Mail Mail and spell check

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Hi.
I set my spell check to go off before the message is sent.  But just discovered 
that if I decide the go back and look at the sentence I put the word in there 
doesn't seem to be a way out.  Pressing escape on the  spell check causes the 
spell check to end and the message to be sent.  Did I make a mistake using this 
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Re: Braille Touch: please help get Apple onboard

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Hi Alex,

Thank you for taking the time to be so articulate and informative about this 
matter.

I really appreciate your effort.

Best regards,
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Re: Braille Touch: please help get Apple onboard

[Alex Hall]

Again, I don't want them to change their guidelines to let any app
developer add keyboards. What I want is for them to take the code and
use it as a keyboard in iOS, not an app in any way. So, when you
unpack an iPhone running a version of iOS with the keyboard in it
(probably 6 as 5.1 is already in beta), there is no "braille keyboard"
app hangin out on your home screen. Rather, it is just there, like the
foreign language keyboards are there.

As to advantage: in a word, yes. I use qwerty and braille entry about
equally, probably leaning more toward qwerty actually, and I am very
fast with both. Qwerty on iOS, though, is different since it is not
just typing, it is having to find a character, make sure it is right,
wait for it to be entered, then repeat. No muscle memory and a lot of
moving one finger make it a slow and inefficient typing method, and
anyone, sighted or blind, will tell you the same (at least they have
in my experience). Braille on iOS, though, allows for typing with no
moving all over the screen and with the ability to type from memory.
Yes, you can memorize the key positions of the qwerty keyboard, but
getting off by one can result in very odd words, especially if you
don't take the time to listen to the selected character before
entering, you get offset a character, and you keep going from that new
reference point.
Don't compare your typing in braille to typing with a keyboard.
Rather, compare your braille typing to the onscreen keyboard (not
using Siri) and see if it isn't faster to use braille. Also, onscreen
braille is not the same as onscreen qwerty, since there is nothing to
wait for and no moving to do. I hope I explained this well.

On 2/26/12, Scott Howell  wrote:
> Alex,
>
> With all do respect and coming from a Braille user; I think this is going to
> be a very difficult road. You are essentially asking APple to allow any
> developer of such the ability to have the same acces. There is already a
> Braille entry app out there and despite the fact it is not quite the same
> thing, you have to offer the same access. Furthermore, I cannot imagine
> trying to Braille on the iPhone screen myself, so I'm not sure (and I speak
> for myself) this is going to be particularly easy to work with. Is this
> really going to offer any advantage to users? Is there truly a benefit to be
> had? I think these are reasonable questions. Now as a reminder because I
> know some will get pretty spun-up, I am a Braille user myself, but I
> arguably can out type myself when it comes to Braille. So, again, an
> interesting idea I just think that APple would have to implement as another
> keyboard and not as an app.
>
> On Feb 26, 2012, at 5:51 PM, Alex Hall wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>> There has been much discussion about the new Braille Touch app lately.
>> For anyone who missed it, this is an app coming out sometime this year
>> that lets users type in braille on an iOS or Android device.
>> Basically, you hold the device sideways, the home button to your right
>> or left. You then place three fingers on either end of the screen and
>> start typing. This beats the current braille entry app out there
>> because (1) it will be free and (2) it lets you enter the character
>> all at once, not a row at a time.
>>
>> Here is where it needs your help: Apple's developer guidelines and
>> terms of service state that, basically, no app can add its own
>> keyboard to the keyboards available in iOS. this means that there is
>> no way to use the braille keyboard outside the app; no writing texts
>> or emails with it, no using it to do a search, no nothing. Yes, you
>> can use the app and then copy and paste, but if you just want to write
>> a quick email, add a contact, or even edit a document, you can't take
>> advantage of braille. Apple needs to know that we (blind and visually
>> impaired users of iOS) want and need this functionality in iOS. Please
>> take a couple minutes to send a message to accessibil...@apple.com.
>> Tell them you want them to include Braille Touch's keyboard in iOS so
>> that it can be used where ever you need to enter text, in place of the
>> on-screen QWERTY keyboard that iOS currently forces you to use. Point
>> out that this keyboard transforms the iOS line of products from PDAs
>> with great accessibility into true braille devices. Most of all, tell
>> them how important it is to you that this feature be included
>> system-wide as soon as possible. Offer any further suggestions,
>> testimonials, and anything else you think will help, but please take
>> the time to send accessibil...@apple.com a message asking them to take
>> this massive step into the future of accessibility. Thanks for your
>> time and effort. Also, please send this request to anyone else who can
>> help (other lists, friends or family who use iOS, braille instructors
>> familiar with iOS... anyone). Remember that the more interest Apple
>> sees in this, the more likely they are to take notice and do something
>> about

Re: Braille Touch: please help get Apple onboard

[Scott Howell]

Alex,

With all do respect and coming from a Braille user; I think this is going to be 
a very difficult road. You are essentially asking APple to allow any developer 
of such the ability to have the same acces. There is already a Braille entry 
app out there and despite the fact it is not quite the same thing, you have to 
offer the same access. Furthermore, I cannot imagine trying to Braille on the 
iPhone screen myself, so I'm not sure (and I speak for myself) this is going to 
be particularly easy to work with. Is this really going to offer any advantage 
to users? Is there truly a benefit to be had? I think these are reasonable 
questions. Now as a reminder because I know some will get pretty spun-up, I am 
a Braille user myself, but I arguably can out type myself when it comes to 
Braille. So, again, an interesting idea I just think that APple would have to 
implement as another keyboard and not as an app.

On Feb 26, 2012, at 5:51 PM, Alex Hall wrote:

> Hello all,
> There has been much discussion about the new Braille Touch app lately.
> For anyone who missed it, this is an app coming out sometime this year
> that lets users type in braille on an iOS or Android device.
> Basically, you hold the device sideways, the home button to your right
> or left. You then place three fingers on either end of the screen and
> start typing. This beats the current braille entry app out there
> because (1) it will be free and (2) it lets you enter the character
> all at once, not a row at a time.
> 
> Here is where it needs your help: Apple's developer guidelines and
> terms of service state that, basically, no app can add its own
> keyboard to the keyboards available in iOS. this means that there is
> no way to use the braille keyboard outside the app; no writing texts
> or emails with it, no using it to do a search, no nothing. Yes, you
> can use the app and then copy and paste, but if you just want to write
> a quick email, add a contact, or even edit a document, you can't take
> advantage of braille. Apple needs to know that we (blind and visually
> impaired users of iOS) want and need this functionality in iOS. Please
> take a couple minutes to send a message to accessibil...@apple.com.
> Tell them you want them to include Braille Touch's keyboard in iOS so
> that it can be used where ever you need to enter text, in place of the
> on-screen QWERTY keyboard that iOS currently forces you to use. Point
> out that this keyboard transforms the iOS line of products from PDAs
> with great accessibility into true braille devices. Most of all, tell
> them how important it is to you that this feature be included
> system-wide as soon as possible. Offer any further suggestions,
> testimonials, and anything else you think will help, but please take
> the time to send accessibil...@apple.com a message asking them to take
> this massive step into the future of accessibility. Thanks for your
> time and effort. Also, please send this request to anyone else who can
> help (other lists, friends or family who use iOS, braille instructors
> familiar with iOS... anyone). Remember that the more interest Apple
> sees in this, the more likely they are to take notice and do something
> about it. They have always been good at listening to feedback from
> their accessibility market, so let's take advantage of that to push
> for this braille keyboard.
> 
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Re: Braille Touch: please help get Apple onboard

[Alex Hall]

Of course. I never said they should remove the other keyboard, and it
should not be the default when vo is on. Rather, it needs to be one
keyboard option, whether accessed through the rotor or in keyboard
settings (and hence via the "next keyboard" button). After all, a good
part of iOS' appeal is that I can hand my iPod to a sighted person so
they can read something interesting or take a turn in a game, and I
would not want anything less than what is currently available as that
would take away from the experience. I feel that a braille keyboard
would simply add to it, provided that, as you said, it remains an
option the user can choose to employ or not as the situation dictates.

On 2/26/12, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> Hi.
>
> Just one thing with what you propose,we don't want to say that the current
> screen keyboard should be taken out as users need choice and perhaps Apple
> can put the choice in and not limit the choice otherwise it'll become like
> other companies who just concentrate on blindness features of the phone like
> Talks or Mobile Speak.
>
> On 26 Feb 2012, at 10:51 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>> There has been much discussion about the new Braille Touch app lately.
>> For anyone who missed it, this is an app coming out sometime this year
>> that lets users type in braille on an iOS or Android device.
>> Basically, you hold the device sideways, the home button to your right
>> or left. You then place three fingers on either end of the screen and
>> start typing. This beats the current braille entry app out there
>> because (1) it will be free and (2) it lets you enter the character
>> all at once, not a row at a time.
>>
>> Here is where it needs your help: Apple's developer guidelines and
>> terms of service state that, basically, no app can add its own
>> keyboard to the keyboards available in iOS. this means that there is
>> no way to use the braille keyboard outside the app; no writing texts
>> or emails with it, no using it to do a search, no nothing. Yes, you
>> can use the app and then copy and paste, but if you just want to write
>> a quick email, add a contact, or even edit a document, you can't take
>> advantage of braille. Apple needs to know that we (blind and visually
>> impaired users of iOS) want and need this functionality in iOS. Please
>> take a couple minutes to send a message to accessibil...@apple.com.
>> Tell them you want them to include Braille Touch's keyboard in iOS so
>> that it can be used where ever you need to enter text, in place of the
>> on-screen QWERTY keyboard that iOS currently forces you to use. Point
>> out that this keyboard transforms the iOS line of products from PDAs
>> with great accessibility into true braille devices. Most of all, tell
>> them how important it is to you that this feature be included
>> system-wide as soon as possible. Offer any further suggestions,
>> testimonials, and anything else you think will help, but please take
>> the time to send accessibil...@apple.com a message asking them to take
>> this massive step into the future of accessibility. Thanks for your
>> time and effort. Also, please send this request to anyone else who can
>> help (other lists, friends or family who use iOS, braille instructors
>> familiar with iOS... anyone). Remember that the more interest Apple
>> sees in this, the more likely they are to take notice and do something
>> about it. They have always been good at listening to feedback from
>> their accessibility market, so let's take advantage of that to push
>> for this braille keyboard.
>>
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Re: Braille Touch: please help get Apple onboard

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Hi.

Just one thing with what you propose,we don't want to say that the current 
screen keyboard should be taken out as users need choice and perhaps Apple can 
put the choice in and not limit the choice otherwise it'll become like other 
companies who just concentrate on blindness features of the phone like Talks or 
Mobile Speak.

On 26 Feb 2012, at 10:51 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:

> Hello all,
> There has been much discussion about the new Braille Touch app lately.
> For anyone who missed it, this is an app coming out sometime this year
> that lets users type in braille on an iOS or Android device.
> Basically, you hold the device sideways, the home button to your right
> or left. You then place three fingers on either end of the screen and
> start typing. This beats the current braille entry app out there
> because (1) it will be free and (2) it lets you enter the character
> all at once, not a row at a time.
> 
> Here is where it needs your help: Apple's developer guidelines and
> terms of service state that, basically, no app can add its own
> keyboard to the keyboards available in iOS. this means that there is
> no way to use the braille keyboard outside the app; no writing texts
> or emails with it, no using it to do a search, no nothing. Yes, you
> can use the app and then copy and paste, but if you just want to write
> a quick email, add a contact, or even edit a document, you can't take
> advantage of braille. Apple needs to know that we (blind and visually
> impaired users of iOS) want and need this functionality in iOS. Please
> take a couple minutes to send a message to accessibil...@apple.com.
> Tell them you want them to include Braille Touch's keyboard in iOS so
> that it can be used where ever you need to enter text, in place of the
> on-screen QWERTY keyboard that iOS currently forces you to use. Point
> out that this keyboard transforms the iOS line of products from PDAs
> with great accessibility into true braille devices. Most of all, tell
> them how important it is to you that this feature be included
> system-wide as soon as possible. Offer any further suggestions,
> testimonials, and anything else you think will help, but please take
> the time to send accessibil...@apple.com a message asking them to take
> this massive step into the future of accessibility. Thanks for your
> time and effort. Also, please send this request to anyone else who can
> help (other lists, friends or family who use iOS, braille instructors
> familiar with iOS... anyone). Remember that the more interest Apple
> sees in this, the more likely they are to take notice and do something
> about it. They have always been good at listening to feedback from
> their accessibility market, so let's take advantage of that to push
> for this braille keyboard.
> 
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Braille Touch: please help get Apple onboard

[Alex Hall]

Hello all,
There has been much discussion about the new Braille Touch app lately.
For anyone who missed it, this is an app coming out sometime this year
that lets users type in braille on an iOS or Android device.
Basically, you hold the device sideways, the home button to your right
or left. You then place three fingers on either end of the screen and
start typing. This beats the current braille entry app out there
because (1) it will be free and (2) it lets you enter the character
all at once, not a row at a time.

Here is where it needs your help: Apple's developer guidelines and
terms of service state that, basically, no app can add its own
keyboard to the keyboards available in iOS. this means that there is
no way to use the braille keyboard outside the app; no writing texts
or emails with it, no using it to do a search, no nothing. Yes, you
can use the app and then copy and paste, but if you just want to write
a quick email, add a contact, or even edit a document, you can't take
advantage of braille. Apple needs to know that we (blind and visually
impaired users of iOS) want and need this functionality in iOS. Please
take a couple minutes to send a message to accessibil...@apple.com.
Tell them you want them to include Braille Touch's keyboard in iOS so
that it can be used where ever you need to enter text, in place of the
on-screen QWERTY keyboard that iOS currently forces you to use. Point
out that this keyboard transforms the iOS line of products from PDAs
with great accessibility into true braille devices. Most of all, tell
them how important it is to you that this feature be included
system-wide as soon as possible. Offer any further suggestions,
testimonials, and anything else you think will help, but please take
the time to send accessibil...@apple.com a message asking them to take
this massive step into the future of accessibility. Thanks for your
time and effort. Also, please send this request to anyone else who can
help (other lists, friends or family who use iOS, braille instructors
familiar with iOS... anyone). Remember that the more interest Apple
sees in this, the more likely they are to take notice and do something
about it. They have always been good at listening to feedback from
their accessibility market, so let's take advantage of that to push
for this braille keyboard.

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Moing Emails To A Different Mailbox

[Ezzie Bueno]

> Hello list,
> 
> Several of my emails have been marked "JUNK" and are in my junk folder. How 
> can I move these emails to my regular inbox?
> 
> Thanks,
> Ezzie Bueno
> 
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Re: Continuous Reading in Ibooks on iPhone 4S

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Just flick down with two fingers and you should get continuous reading.

On 26 Feb 2012, at 07:41 PM, Mike Busboom  wrote:

> Hello everyone,
> 
> A couple of weeks ago, I downloaded the book on Siri and have started to read 
> it.  The navigation works reasonably well, i.e. I can go to specific pages 
> and read a page in its entirety.  Where I am having a problem, however, is 
> getting VoiceOver to read continuously.  At present, at least with the 
> approach that seems to be working for me, I have to go to the page chooser 
> and flick to the next page..
> 
> 
> Is there a way to get iBooks to do continuous scrolling or get VoiceOver to 
> automatically "turn pages and thus ensure continuous reading," as it were?  I 
> am staying with a friend who has an iPad and he tells me that he is able to 
> get this to work.  He puts his iPad in Landscape mode and can see two pages 
> at a time.  Would putting my iPhone in Landscape Mode yield the same results? 
>  I tried,but was unsuccessful.
> 
> Kindest regards to all, with thanks in advance,
> 
> Mike
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Re: Ical question

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Oh Mark,

I just realise that I have been talking about the address book.  Please forgive 
me for that as I must have been very tired when I wrote that first message and 
I had been in my address book yesterday and thought it was the calendar for no 
good reason.

But yes, interact with the entries on your calendar and you need to interact 
again with the information once you find an entry that you want to read.  I 
normally use the calendar on my I phone as it is much easier than my Mac 
although I have entered dates and events using my Mac Book Pro and when putting 
in new events, I normally do command N for new, then vo right tro where the 
title and location is to go, and so on until the fields are all filled in, once 
I want to go to a particular entry, stop interacting, then vo right until I get 
to the scroll area, interact twice to read the information.

Again please accept my apology.

Kawal.

On 26 Feb 2012, at 07:22 PM, Marc Sutton  wrote:

> Hi Kawal,
> I don't find any tables in ical. I am just wondering what you mean vy 
> contacts. Do you mean events? I am using ical under lion and there are dates 
> listed but not in any table view. Thanks.
> Marc
> 
> On Feb 25, 2012, at 11:51 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
> 
>> I found that choice by accident when doing VO right arrow once I got past 
>> the contacts table (not in the view menu) either.  There is a list view or a 
>> table group, it's radio buttons.  Just choose the table group.  I had 
>> formatted my Mac prior to this so I don't know if that was the default.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>> 
>> On 26 Feb 2012, at 03:24 AM, Marc Sutton  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Kiwal,
>>> I am wondering how you choose the table view in ical. There is no menu 
>>> choice for this under view. Thanks.
>>> Marc
>>> 
>>> On Feb 25, 2012, at 2:58 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
>>> 
 Hello Mark.
 
 I suggest if you are using the Ical on your mac, make sure your contacts 
 are in table view then when you get to what entry you want to hear, stop 
 interacting with that entry, go to the scroll area and interact twice and 
 vo right arrow through that entry.  That is how I do it.  You can also 
 install a wigit or you have a wigit which you will find (forget where it 
 is) as I've not used them yet, and there you can view your calendar 
 entries.
 
 Please someone correct me if there is a better way to use the calendar.
 
 Kawal.
 
 On 25 Feb 2012, at 09:34 PM, Marc Sutton  wrote:
 
> Hello,
> I am just starting to explore the Ical program. I have it set to week 
> view. I added some entries. When I move through the week using vo, i will 
> hear about one event on a particular day. Does anyone know how to hear 
> the time of that event and even hear all the events for that day spoken 
> at once. I am trying to figure out how to quickly and efficiently use the 
> calendar. This would be one feature that could make that possible--the 
> ability to quickly scan events scheduled for the future. Any tips?
> Thanks. Marc
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Re: using the keypad on the IPhone while on a call.

[Ricardo Walker]

You get it from the app store.

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On Feb 26, 2012, at 3:51 PM, Jessica  wrote:

> Oh really? Where do you get that ap from?
> I had no idea there was such a thing.
> - Original Message - From: "Ricardo Walker" 
> To: 
> Cc: "The Accessible Phones Discussion List" 
> Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2012 12:40 PM
> Subject: Re: using the keypad on the IPhone while on a call.
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> There really is no way to get around this but to use headphones when needing 
> to use an automated system while on a call.  Sure, you can take the phone 
> from your face bringing the call on speaker phone but, Voiceover is way too 
> low in my opinion for this to be practical.  But, when using headphones, you 
> will be able to hear Voiceover just fine and have access to the screen. 
> Another thing you can do is not call *4 at all.  You can download the sprint 
> app and access the same information that way.
> 
> hth
> 
> Ricardo Walker
> rica...@appletothecore.info
> Twitter:@apple2thecore
> www.appletothecore.info
> 
> On Feb 26, 2012, at 1:21 PM, Jessica  wrote:
> 
>> I've been trying to figure out how to use the keypad while I'm on a call, 
>> considering the fact that I'm on a shared plan with Sprint, and need to see 
>> how much time I've used apart from everyone else's, but of course, the 
>> screen locks immediately after I've placed my call, and I can't figure out 
>> what to do after that.  I've tried everything from pressing the Home button, 
>> which takes me back and forth from the speaker phone, and backs me out of 
>> the phone app, to pressing the power button to simply unlock the screen, 
>> which ends the call completely.  Is there a simpler way to do this?
>> Are you looking for a free home based business that will also pay you a good 
>> income? Most likely, the answer is "yes," so if that is the case then come 
>> check out Tmi wireless!
>> We're an internet sales and marketing company that sells a variety of items 
>> including cel phones and plans with carriers you already know, and you're 
>> payed a comission from every sale you make!
>> Check out
>> 
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>> to learn more, visit:
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Re: Continuous Reading in Ibooks on iPhone 4S

[Esther]

Hi Mike,

Just to expand on my comment about issuing the two-finger flick down from the 
text area of the book to get continuous reading going in iBooks. Since this 
gesture is meant to "read all" on the current page, starting from your present 
position, if you wanted to find out about the page chooser at the bottom of the 
screen the first time you checked the layout of controls in iBooks, and were 
starting from the buttons for Library and table of contents, you wouldn't want 
VoiceOver to keep reading to the end of the book before telling you that there 
were additional controls at the bottom of the page.

So what happens is that a two-finger flick down initiated from the area with 
button controls at the top of the screen just reads the text that is on the 
current page, then goes on to read the controls at the bottom of the screen.  
But if you initiate the two-finger flick down from within the text area, your 
"read all from present point" gesture continues to read through the text area, 
only, and will automatically go on to the next page.

This originally confused me, too, the first time I encountered it and didn't 
have VO read the rest of the page.  But then it made sense that it would work 
that way.  

Most people touch the center of the screen when they do their two-finger flick 
down, so that's why they automatically get the continuous reading.

You'll still notice a slight pause when you reach the end of the current page.  
That's because iBooks does a simulated page turn graphic.  This annoyed the 
heck out of some early reviewers (who were not visually impaired. Andy Ihnatko 
wrote in his initial, otherwise positive, review of iBooks for the Chicago Sun: 
"I do wish I could disable the fancy page-curl animation. On an iPhone 3GS, at 
least, there’s a slight, but annoying, additional pause as the app does a whole 
lot of math.")  If this really annoys you, changing the font size to be small 
will put a lot more text on the screen before you get that slight pause.

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

On Feb 26, 2012, at 10:35 AM, Esther wrote:

> Hi Mike,
> 
> Try doing the two-finger flick down from the middle of the text page.  For 
> example, if you're reading in the page, do a two-finger tap to stop. Then do 
> a two-finger flick down.  Usually when you're in the text area this will work 
> for continuous reading.  Or you can try to touch the center of the screen for 
> the text area first, then do the two finger flick down.
> 
> HTH.  Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> 
> On Feb 26, 2012, at 10:31 AM, Mike Busboom wrote:
> 
>> Hello Jane,
>> 
>> That's the problem. A two-finger flick down reads the current page, but 
>> reading is halted at the end of the page.  I have been unsuccessful at 
>> having continuous read to work.  I am read the current page from start to 
>> finish, but then VO stops reading, i.e. the next page isn't turned to, nor 
>> is reading continued.
>> 
>> Mike
>> 
>> On 26,Feb,2012, at 11:56 AM, Jane wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi.
>>> 
>>> Tru a two-finger-flick-down. That'll start it reading and will turn pages.
>>> 
>>> Jane
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Feb 26, 2012, at 2:41 PM, Mike Busboom wrote:
>>> 
 Hello everyone,
 
 A couple of weeks ago, I downloaded the book on Siri and have started to 
 read it.  The navigation works reasonably well, i.e. I can go to specific 
 pages and read a page in its entirety.  Where I am having a problem, 
 however, is getting VoiceOver to read continuously.  At present, at least 
 with the approach that seems to be working for me, I have to go to the 
 page chooser and flick to the next page..
 
 
 Is there a way to get iBooks to do continuous scrolling or get VoiceOver 
 to automatically "turn pages and thus ensure continuous reading," as it 
 were?  I am staying with a friend who has an iPad and he tells me that he 
 is able to get this to work.  He puts his iPad in Landscape mode and can 
 see two pages at a time.  Would putting my iPhone in Landscape Mode yield 
 the same results?  I tried,but was unsuccessful.
 
 Kindest regards to all, with thanks in advance,
 
 Mike
 
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Re: using the keypad on the IPhone while on a call.

[Jessica]

Oh really? Where do you get that ap from?
 I had no idea there was such a thing.
- Original Message - 
From: "Ricardo Walker" 

To: 
Cc: "The Accessible Phones Discussion List" 
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2012 12:40 PM
Subject: Re: using the keypad on the IPhone while on a call.


Hi,

There really is no way to get around this but to use headphones when needing 
to use an automated system while on a call.  Sure, you can take the phone 
from your face bringing the call on speaker phone but, Voiceover is way too 
low in my opinion for this to be practical.  But, when using headphones, you 
will be able to hear Voiceover just fine and have access to the screen. 
Another thing you can do is not call *4 at all.  You can download the sprint 
app and access the same information that way.


hth

Ricardo Walker
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On Feb 26, 2012, at 1:21 PM, Jessica  wrote:

I've been trying to figure out how to use the keypad while I'm on a call, 
considering the fact that I'm on a shared plan with Sprint, and need to 
see how much time I've used apart from everyone else's, but of course, the 
screen locks immediately after I've placed my call, and I can't figure out 
what to do after that.  I've tried everything from pressing the Home 
button, which takes me back and forth from the speaker phone, and backs me 
out of the phone app, to pressing the power button to simply unlock the 
screen, which ends the call completely.  Is there a simpler way to do 
this?
Are you looking for a free home based business that will also pay you a 
good income? Most likely, the answer is "yes," so if that is the case then 
come check out Tmi wireless!
We're an internet sales and marketing company that sells a variety of 
items including cel phones and plans with carriers you already know, and 
you're payed a comission from every sale you make!

Check out

and learn how to make money doing something you already do daily!
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Re: using the keypad on the IPhone while on a call.

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi,

There really is no way to get around this but to use headphones when needing to 
use an automated system while on a call.  Sure, you can take the phone from 
your face bringing the call on speaker phone but, Voiceover is way too low in 
my opinion for this to be practical.  But, when using headphones, you will be 
able to hear Voiceover just fine and have access to the screen.  Another thing 
you can do is not call *4 at all.  You can download the sprint app and access 
the same information that way.

hth

Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
www.appletothecore.info

On Feb 26, 2012, at 1:21 PM, Jessica  wrote:

> I've been trying to figure out how to use the keypad while I'm on a call, 
> considering the fact that I'm on a shared plan with Sprint, and need to see 
> how much time I've used apart from everyone else's, but of course, the screen 
> locks immediately after I've placed my call, and I can't figure out what to 
> do after that.  I've tried everything from pressing the Home button, which 
> takes me back and forth from the speaker phone, and backs me out of the phone 
> app, to pressing the power button to simply unlock the screen, which ends the 
> call completely.  Is there a simpler way to do this?
> Are you looking for a free home based business that will also pay you a good 
> income? Most likely, the answer is "yes," so if that is the case then come 
> check out Tmi wireless!
> We're an internet sales and marketing company that sells a variety of items 
> including cel phones and plans with carriers you already know, and you're 
> payed a comission from every sale you make!
> Check out 
>  
> and learn how to make money doing something you already do daily!
> to learn more, visit:
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Re: Continuous Reading in Ibooks on iPhone 4S

[Ricardo Walker]

Interesting,

This usually works.  Have you tried doing a 2 finger swipe up?

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On Feb 26, 2012, at 3:31 PM, Mike Busboom  wrote:

> Hello Jane,
> 
> That's the problem. A two-finger flick down reads the current page, but 
> reading is halted at the end of the page.  I have been unsuccessful at having 
> continuous read to work.  I am read the current page from start to finish, 
> but then VO stops reading, i.e. the next page isn't turned to, nor is reading 
> continued.
> 
> Mike
> 
> On 26,Feb,2012, at 11:56 AM, Jane wrote:
> 
>> Hi.
>> 
>> Tru a two-finger-flick-down. That'll start it reading and will turn pages.
>> 
>> Jane
>> 
>> 
>> On Feb 26, 2012, at 2:41 PM, Mike Busboom wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello everyone,
>>> 
>>> A couple of weeks ago, I downloaded the book on Siri and have started to 
>>> read it.  The navigation works reasonably well, i.e. I can go to specific 
>>> pages and read a page in its entirety.  Where I am having a problem, 
>>> however, is getting VoiceOver to read continuously.  At present, at least 
>>> with the approach that seems to be working for me, I have to go to the page 
>>> chooser and flick to the next page..
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Is there a way to get iBooks to do continuous scrolling or get VoiceOver to 
>>> automatically "turn pages and thus ensure continuous reading," as it were?  
>>> I am staying with a friend who has an iPad and he tells me that he is able 
>>> to get this to work.  He puts his iPad in Landscape mode and can see two 
>>> pages at a time.  Would putting my iPhone in Landscape Mode yield the same 
>>> results?  I tried,but was unsuccessful.
>>> 
>>> Kindest regards to all, with thanks in advance,
>>> 
>>> Mike
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Re: Continuous Reading in Ibooks on iPhone 4S

[Esther]

Hi Mike,

Try doing the two-finger flick down from the middle of the text page.  For 
example, if you're reading in the page, do a two-finger tap to stop. Then do a 
two-finger flick down.  Usually when you're in the text area this will work for 
continuous reading.  Or you can try to touch the center of the screen for the 
text area first, then do the two finger flick down.

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

On Feb 26, 2012, at 10:31 AM, Mike Busboom wrote:

> Hello Jane,
> 
> That's the problem. A two-finger flick down reads the current page, but 
> reading is halted at the end of the page.  I have been unsuccessful at having 
> continuous read to work.  I am read the current page from start to finish, 
> but then VO stops reading, i.e. the next page isn't turned to, nor is reading 
> continued.
> 
> Mike
> 
> On 26,Feb,2012, at 11:56 AM, Jane wrote:
> 
>> Hi.
>> 
>> Tru a two-finger-flick-down. That'll start it reading and will turn pages.
>> 
>> Jane
>> 
>> 
>> On Feb 26, 2012, at 2:41 PM, Mike Busboom wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello everyone,
>>> 
>>> A couple of weeks ago, I downloaded the book on Siri and have started to 
>>> read it.  The navigation works reasonably well, i.e. I can go to specific 
>>> pages and read a page in its entirety.  Where I am having a problem, 
>>> however, is getting VoiceOver to read continuously.  At present, at least 
>>> with the approach that seems to be working for me, I have to go to the page 
>>> chooser and flick to the next page..
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Is there a way to get iBooks to do continuous scrolling or get VoiceOver to 
>>> automatically "turn pages and thus ensure continuous reading," as it were?  
>>> I am staying with a friend who has an iPad and he tells me that he is able 
>>> to get this to work.  He puts his iPad in Landscape mode and can see two 
>>> pages at a time.  Would putting my iPhone in Landscape Mode yield the same 
>>> results?  I tried,but was unsuccessful.
>>> 
>>> Kindest regards to all, with thanks in advance,
>>> 
>>> Mike
>>> 

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Re: Continuous Reading in Ibooks on iPhone 4S

[Mike Busboom]

Hello Jane,

That's the problem. A two-finger flick down reads the current page, but reading 
is halted at the end of the page.  I have been unsuccessful at having 
continuous read to work.  I am read the current page from start to finish, but 
then VO stops reading, i.e. the next page isn't turned to, nor is reading 
continued.

Mike
  
On 26,Feb,2012, at 11:56 AM, Jane wrote:

> Hi.
> 
> Tru a two-finger-flick-down. That'll start it reading and will turn pages.
> 
> Jane
> 
> 
> On Feb 26, 2012, at 2:41 PM, Mike Busboom wrote:
> 
>> Hello everyone,
>> 
>> A couple of weeks ago, I downloaded the book on Siri and have started to 
>> read it.  The navigation works reasonably well, i.e. I can go to specific 
>> pages and read a page in its entirety.  Where I am having a problem, 
>> however, is getting VoiceOver to read continuously.  At present, at least 
>> with the approach that seems to be working for me, I have to go to the page 
>> chooser and flick to the next page..
>> 
>> 
>> Is there a way to get iBooks to do continuous scrolling or get VoiceOver to 
>> automatically "turn pages and thus ensure continuous reading," as it were?  
>> I am staying with a friend who has an iPad and he tells me that he is able 
>> to get this to work.  He puts his iPad in Landscape mode and can see two 
>> pages at a time.  Would putting my iPhone in Landscape Mode yield the same 
>> results?  I tried,but was unsuccessful.
>> 
>> Kindest regards to all, with thanks in advance,
>> 
>> Mike
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re: apple tv question:

[Chenelle Hancock]

hi all,
i  just only purchased an apple tv about three months ago. furthermore, i  did 
not have any problems with setting it up. i  i  have an h.d.l.c..d  tv thus all 
i had to do is to get another h.d.m.i. caple and connect  it to  the back of 
the apple tv and then  hook the  other piece to the back of the tv. then i  
pressed the  lower right button on the small slender remote control that comes 
with the apple tv three times in order  to  turn on voice over. afterwards,  i 
had my aunt  put in the  internet code and password  in order to hook up to 
netflix and the internet etc.. afterwards, it was a total breeze for me to   
work. i  have never regretted  purchasing  the apple tv at all either. i  had  
purchased  movies, and tv shows  from just using my apple tv and i really do 
enjoy it better then watching  cable for the most part.  the  only piece of 
apple equipment  that i do not have in my hands is an i-pad 3 and that does not 
come out until  march,7/12. but i will wait to get it until  later on in the 
summer etc.. 
take care everyone sincerely, chenelle.

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Re: Continuous Reading in Ibooks on iPhone 4S

[Jane]

Hi.

Tru a two-finger-flick-down. That'll start it reading and will turn pages.

Jane


On Feb 26, 2012, at 2:41 PM, Mike Busboom wrote:

> Hello everyone,
> 
> A couple of weeks ago, I downloaded the book on Siri and have started to read 
> it.  The navigation works reasonably well, i.e. I can go to specific pages 
> and read a page in its entirety.  Where I am having a problem, however, is 
> getting VoiceOver to read continuously.  At present, at least with the 
> approach that seems to be working for me, I have to go to the page chooser 
> and flick to the next page..
> 
> 
> Is there a way to get iBooks to do continuous scrolling or get VoiceOver to 
> automatically "turn pages and thus ensure continuous reading," as it were?  I 
> am staying with a friend who has an iPad and he tells me that he is able to 
> get this to work.  He puts his iPad in Landscape mode and can see two pages 
> at a time.  Would putting my iPhone in Landscape Mode yield the same results? 
>  I tried,but was unsuccessful.
> 
> Kindest regards to all, with thanks in advance,
> 
> Mike
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Continuous Reading in Ibooks on iPhone 4S

[Mike Busboom]

Hello everyone,

A couple of weeks ago, I downloaded the book on Siri and have started to read 
it.  The navigation works reasonably well, i.e. I can go to specific pages and 
read a page in its entirety.  Where I am having a problem, however, is getting 
VoiceOver to read continuously.  At present, at least with the approach that 
seems to be working for me, I have to go to the page chooser and flick to the 
next page..


Is there a way to get iBooks to do continuous scrolling or get VoiceOver to 
automatically "turn pages and thus ensure continuous reading," as it were?  I 
am staying with a friend who has an iPad and he tells me that he is able to get 
this to work.  He puts his iPad in Landscape mode and can see two pages at a 
time.  Would putting my iPhone in Landscape Mode yield the same results?  I 
tried,but was unsuccessful.

Kindest regards to all, with thanks in advance,

Mike

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Re: YouTube Tutorials

[Emrah]

Wow, what a story!

Mike, I dearly admire your capacity of adaptation, 2 years is a short timeframe.
I will definitely check out your Youtube videos.

I will keep an ear on the list and do my best to answer any of your questions 
as well.

Thank you for your service, and wishing you all the best in all your future 
endeavors.

On Feb 25, 2012, at 6:11 PM, CJ Daniel wrote:

> Hey Mike,
> 
> First, thanks for your service in the Stan.  If after only two years, you're 
> already trying your hand @ youtube tutorials, I'd say you're getting on with 
> the job.  I hope all goes well for you.
> 
> CJ
> 
> 
> On Feb 25, 2012, at 2:33 PM, Michael Malarsie wrote:
> 
>> Greetings all.
>>  I am new to this mailing list and just wanted to say hello. I was blown 
>> up two years ago in Afghanistan so that is how I came to be blind.
>>  I have taken up making YouTube tutorials that are accessible for the 
>> blind. 
>>  I have been making how to videos on Mac and iPhone functions and 
>> answering requests that users have. I have been making all of my tutorials 
>> fully understanable with teh audio only. I do use a screen recorder for 
>> those who have limited sight.
>>  I am just throwing this out there so you all are aware of it. Feel free 
>> to check it out and if you want me to make a video for you on any topic I 
>> will do what I can. 
>>  Search Hello my name is Michael or HTB2, which stands for How to Be 
>> Blind. Take care everyone!
>> 
>> P.S. I have written this email three times now but I sent it off the wrong 
>> account to lets hope the third time is the charm. Cheers.
>> 
>> Mike Malarsie 
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Re: Ical question

[Marc Sutton]

Hi Kawal,
I don't find any tables in ical. I am just wondering what you mean vy contacts. 
Do you mean events? I am using ical under lion and there are dates listed but 
not in any table view. Thanks.
Marc

On Feb 25, 2012, at 11:51 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:

> I found that choice by accident when doing VO right arrow once I got past the 
> contacts table (not in the view menu) either.  There is a list view or a 
> table group, it's radio buttons.  Just choose the table group.  I had 
> formatted my Mac prior to this so I don't know if that was the default.
> 
> Kawal.
> 
> On 26 Feb 2012, at 03:24 AM, Marc Sutton  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Kiwal,
>> I am wondering how you choose the table view in ical. There is no menu 
>> choice for this under view. Thanks.
>> Marc
>> 
>> On Feb 25, 2012, at 2:58 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello Mark.
>>> 
>>> I suggest if you are using the Ical on your mac, make sure your contacts 
>>> are in table view then when you get to what entry you want to hear, stop 
>>> interacting with that entry, go to the scroll area and interact twice and 
>>> vo right arrow through that entry.  That is how I do it.  You can also 
>>> install a wigit or you have a wigit which you will find (forget where it 
>>> is) as I've not used them yet, and there you can view your calendar entries.
>>> 
>>> Please someone correct me if there is a better way to use the calendar.
>>> 
>>> Kawal.
>>> 
>>> On 25 Feb 2012, at 09:34 PM, Marc Sutton  wrote:
>>> 
 Hello,
 I am just starting to explore the Ical program. I have it set to week 
 view. I added some entries. When I move through the week using vo, i will 
 hear about one event on a particular day. Does anyone know how to hear the 
 time of that event and even hear all the events for that day spoken at 
 once. I am trying to figure out how to quickly and efficiently use the 
 calendar. This would be one feature that could make that possible--the 
 ability to quickly scan events scheduled for the future. Any tips?
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Re: Interesting accessibility experience yesterday

[Mr. L. Alexander]

the beauty for me regarding this is not only being able to walk in and road 
test newer apple hardware but also being able to demonstrate voiceover to apple 
staff or reseller staff as well as requests from companies who have been made 
aware that V.I. clients are coming to consider investing in a mac and ask me to 
demonstrate and train where required. Tea and biscuits anyone? yep...

you can't get that with windows.

a. that beautiful apple chime is always a reward for owning a mac. would be 
nice if we could be given the option of choosing the pitch of the apple chime 
to our systems. I say this from all my time working with older macs where each 
chip had a different sample and 2 in particular hold a certain sound passion 
for me.

lew

On 26 Feb 2012, at 19:16, Scott Howell wrote:

> Now ain't that the damnedest  thing? Imagine that you would actually want to 
> use a computer like everyone else. All kidding aside, is that cool or what? I 
> did this in Best Buy where they have a small APple store inside and I even 
> had a chance to play with the iPad and iPhone in the same way. I was really 
> thrilled to be able to look at a product just like my wife or son.
> 
> On Feb 26, 2012, at 11:37 AM, Gigi wrote:
> 
>>> Hi guys
>> Yesterday, I had a little interesting experience with accessibility. I was 
>> in the store that, among other things, sells computers. There's a whole 
>> bunch of windows computers, and Mac computers I wanted to look up something 
>> on the Internet, and I couldn't use the iPhone, but I was standing right 
>> next to where the computers were. So I walked up to this MacBook Pro, and 
>> press command F5, and looked up some information. Guys those Macintosh 
>> computers with the only computers and that whole place I could've used. 
>> Anyway let's give some applause to Apple for accessibility also, I've never 
>> been able in my whole life to walk up to a computer in the store and make it 
>> work.
>> Regards
>> Gigi
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Re: Interesting accessibility experience yesterday

[Scott Howell]

Now ain't that the damnedest  thing? Imagine that you would actually want to 
use a computer like everyone else. All kidding aside, is that cool or what? I 
did this in Best Buy where they have a small APple store inside and I even had 
a chance to play with the iPad and iPhone in the same way. I was really 
thrilled to be able to look at a product just like my wife or son.

On Feb 26, 2012, at 11:37 AM, Gigi wrote:

>> Hi guys
> Yesterday, I had a little interesting experience with accessibility. I was in 
> the store that, among other things, sells computers. There's a whole bunch of 
> windows computers, and Mac computers I wanted to look up something on the 
> Internet, and I couldn't use the iPhone, but I was standing right next to 
> where the computers were. So I walked up to this MacBook Pro, and press 
> command F5, and looked up some information. Guys those Macintosh computers 
> with the only computers and that whole place I could've used. Anyway let's 
> give some applause to Apple for accessibility also, I've never been able in 
> my whole life to walk up to a computer in the store and make it work.
> Regards
> Gigi
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Re: Typing Tutorial for the Mac

[erik burggraaf]

Naw, that's what we're all on the hunt for.  I will hit the app store 
eventually, but I have to have a client who needs it before I can justify the 
time and expense.  I'm sure something is out there, but all of my introductary 
level users so far have been coming in to windows where talking typer is pretty 
well king.

Wish we did have talking typer for mac.  That would be excellent.

Best,

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On 2012-02-25, at 11:06 PM, Dean Adams wrote:

> Hi Eric,
>   Is there a mac version of the talking typer I searched the App Store 
> but no result for talking typer I would like to find an alternative for some 
> of the people I help for are first timers on a pc or mac .
> Regards Dean
> 
> On 21/02/2012, at 11:08 PM, erik burggraaf wrote:
> 
>> The keyboard if you are putting some one in front of a computer for the 
>> first time.  It's not weird.  My windows clients use talking typer all the 
>> time.  Most of my mac clients are switchers or otherwise have learned to 
>> type on a typewriter or windows environment, but eventually I'll sit down 
>> with some one and they'll start counting keys on their apple keyboard.  It's 
>> only a matter of time.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
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>> 
>> On 2012-02-20, at 6:47 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
>> 
>>> Thats weird.  I mean, except the modifier keys, the keyboard on the Mac is 
>>> the same as every other qwerty keyboard.  What's there to learn?
>>> 
>>> Ricardo Walker
>>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>>> www.appletothecore.info
>>> 
>>> On Feb 20, 2012, at 3:49 PM, Les Kriegler wrote:
>>> 
 A colleague has inquired about any typing tutorials to learn the Mac 
 keyboard.  Any suggestions.  I know one can explore the keyboard with VO 
 K, but are there any typing drills that are accessible and available for 
 the Mac?  Thanks.
 
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Interesting accessibility experience yesterday

[Gigi]

> Hi guys
Yesterday, I had a little interesting experience with accessibility. I was in 
the store that, among other things, sells computers. There's a whole bunch of 
windows computers, and Mac computers I wanted to look up something on the 
Internet, and I couldn't use the iPhone, but I was standing right next to where 
the computers were. So I walked up to this MacBook Pro, and press command F5, 
and looked up some information. Guys those Macintosh computers with the only 
computers and that whole place I could've used. Anyway let's give some applause 
to Apple for accessibility also, I've never been able in my whole life to walk 
up to a computer in the store and make it work.
Regards
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Re: How do I select all on the I pone?

[Gigi]

Hi Jenny
I have another suggestion about how to speed up the selecting of messages on 
your iPhone. If you go into settings, and then go to mail can't remember 
exactly where it is an on settings you can find deselect by conversation. That 
way you can go into edit when you bring up your inbox, and select the 
conversations that you don't wish to read this will really speed up the 
selecting process.
Regards
Gigi

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Re: editing cell contents in numbers?

[Gigi]

Hi guys
Do not remember that somebody on this list said that you should interact with 
the sale in numbers also in order to edit it once you've done VO option enter 
question mark I ask because I had some trouble imaging in the middle of a sale 
in numbers
Regards
Gigi

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On Feb 26, 2012, at 2:43 AM, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:

> VO + Spacebar also works.
> Regards 
> Jürgen
> 
> Am 26.02.2012 um 04:21 schrieb Greg Aikens:
> 
>> Option + Enter should put your cursor in the cell to edit.
>> 
>> -Greg
>> On Feb 25, 2012, at 5:37 AM, erik burggraaf wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,  is there a key to edit cell contents in numbers?  The standard f2 
>>> doesn't work.  I checked all through the menus and couldn't find it.  I 
>>> looked in the inspector and it wasn't there either. 
>>> 
>>> Appreciate any help.
>>> 
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Abbyy Finereader express

[Becky Knaub]

Hi All,
So I am getting this program as a birthday present, can anyone tell me how it 
works? Can it do things similar to Kurzweil on the PC? Can it take PDF's from 
school that are blank as far as VO is concerned into readable images? I wonder 
if it could work with bookshare books in converting them into text edit 
documents. Has anyone tried it? How well does this program work with VO?  Does 
anyone know if the epson printer scanner that is wireless and comes with the 
Mac is able to do the scanning we as blind people require?

Thanks

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Re: I can't figure out Dash Board

[Esther]

Hi Ray,

Dashboard navigation seems very different in Lion, and I didn't use it a lot 
before.  However, try bringing up window chooser menu VO-F2-F2 and going to the 
dashboard menu.  You should be able to navigate to the weather widget, and also 
go to the widget bar. This seems to be correctly set up for my location, by the 
way.  In the earlier versions, you had to change this from Cupertino by 
clicking on the info button to access the back of the widget and fill in a new 
location.

Before Lion I could just navigate to the widgets, add, and delete them.  But I 
only moved to Lion this month, and this is the first time trying dashboard.  
There are probably shortcuts for working with widgets in dashboard.

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

On Feb 26, 2012, at 3:26 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:

> Anbody here ever use Dashboard?  I can't figure it out.  Every time I launch 
> it, I land in the Calculator app and can't seem to move out of it.  I thought 
> perhaps there might be a weather wigit in Dashboard somewhere, but, I'm 
> blasted if I can figure out how this thing works.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
> 
> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
> 
> Skype name:
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> 
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> 
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Re: How do I select all on the I pone?

[Jenny Keller]

Thanks. I was afraid of that.

Jenny

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 25, 2012, at 8:20 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:

> I hate to say this... but you can't select all messages at once. Sorry.
> 
> You can, however, delete a message while reading it. Just find the
> "move" button at the bottom of the screen, select the trash folder
> from the folder list that appears, and the message goes away. Note
> that when you do this, the next mesage in the folder will appear, you
> will not be taken back to the message list.
> 
> On 2/25/12, Jenny Keller  wrote:
>> Hi
>> 
>> Have lots of messages to delete from several boxes and can't figure out how
>> to select them all at the same time to delete them at the same time? Can you
>> help?
>> 
>> Still wondering if you can delete a message from the same screen you're
>> reading it from?
>> 
>> Thanks in advance for your help.
>> 
>> Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Feb 25, 2012, at 6:16 PM, Philippa Woodcraft
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> thanks so much! i haven't been able to get started, as i've had
>>> trouble installing it. do i need to work differently with it seeing as
>>> it is code rather than an application? many thanks. Philippa
>>> 
>>> On Feb 25, 11:57 am, "Maxwell Ivey Jr."  wrote:
 hello; my name is max and I'm not an expert either but will help if i
 can.  my email is  maxw...@midwaymarketplace.com  good luck,
 On Feb 25, 2012, at 5:32 AM, David Eagle wrote:
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
> My skype ID is deagle912
 
> Email me privately if you like with any questions.
> onlineea...@googlemail.com
 
> I am by no means an expert, but I'm sure I can offer some useful
> pointers. It is very accessible.
 
> Good luck.
> Sent from my iPhone
 
> On 24 Feb 2012, at 19:34, Philippa Woodcraft
> > wrote:
 
>> thank you so much! i'll take you up on that if i get stuck, and i'm
>> sure i will :-)
 
>> On Feb 24, 2:51 pm, David Eagle  wrote:
>>> I use Joomla! at work which is a free open source Content management
>>> system. It should be pretty easy to create a simple website for your
>>> needs using that. I'd be happy to help you out if you want to talk
>>> about it over Skype. We can arrange a time to talk if you want any
>>> help.
 
>>> On 24/02/2012, Philippa Woodcraft 
>>> wrote:
 
 i gather iWeb is not around now. does anyone have a
 reckomendation of an
 accessible web design/building ap? i'm trying to build a site for
 my parents
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Re: How do I select all on the I pone?

[Jenny Keller]

Thanks.

Jenny

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 25, 2012, at 8:31 PM, Michael Malarsie  
wrote:

> The only way I know to delete multiple messages is to press the edit button 
> at the upper right of the corner. Then select the messages you want to move 
> then press the move button and select the trash folder to move them.
>You must be in the list of your mesasges to do this.
> 
> Mike Malarsie 
> On Feb 25, 2012, at 8:20 PM, Alex Hall wrote:
> 
>> I hate to say this... but you can't select all messages at once. Sorry.
>> 
>> You can, however, delete a message while reading it. Just find the
>> "move" button at the bottom of the screen, select the trash folder
>> from the folder list that appears, and the message goes away. Note
>> that when you do this, the next mesage in the folder will appear, you
>> will not be taken back to the message list.
>> 
>> On 2/25/12, Jenny Keller  wrote:
>>> Hi
>>> 
>>> Have lots of messages to delete from several boxes and can't figure out how
>>> to select them all at the same time to delete them at the same time? Can you
>>> help?
>>> 
>>> Still wondering if you can delete a message from the same screen you're
>>> reading it from?
>>> 
>>> Thanks in advance for your help.
>>> 
>>> Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Feb 25, 2012, at 6:16 PM, Philippa Woodcraft
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
 thanks so much! i haven't been able to get started, as i've had
 trouble installing it. do i need to work differently with it seeing as
 it is code rather than an application? many thanks. Philippa
 
 On Feb 25, 11:57 am, "Maxwell Ivey Jr."  wrote:
> hello; my name is max and I'm not an expert either but will help if i
> can.  my email is  maxw...@midwaymarketplace.com  good luck,
> On Feb 25, 2012, at 5:32 AM, David Eagle wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> My skype ID is deagle912
> 
>> Email me privately if you like with any questions.
>> onlineea...@googlemail.com
> 
>> I am by no means an expert, but I'm sure I can offer some useful
>> pointers. It is very accessible.
> 
>> Good luck.
>> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 24 Feb 2012, at 19:34, Philippa Woodcraft
>> >> wrote:
> 
>>> thank you so much! i'll take you up on that if i get stuck, and i'm
>>> sure i will :-)
> 
>>> On Feb 24, 2:51 pm, David Eagle  wrote:
 I use Joomla! at work which is a free open source Content management
 system. It should be pretty easy to create a simple website for your
 needs using that. I'd be happy to help you out if you want to talk
 about it over Skype. We can arrange a time to talk if you want any
 help.
> 
 On 24/02/2012, Philippa Woodcraft 
 wrote:
> 
> i gather iWeb is not around now. does anyone have a
> reckomendation of an
> accessible web design/building ap? i'm trying to build a site for
> my parents
> holiday home with info, price list, dates booked etc. i no hardly
> anything
> about HTML etc. many thanks.
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Re: How do I select all on the I pone?

[Jenny Keller]

Do I have to delete everything one at a time or is there a delete all option? 
Also,how do I get my messages oldest to newest?

Thanks for your help.

Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks 

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 25, 2012, at 9:40 PM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:

> Hi Jenny. 
> When I delete things from my iPhone, I don't use the move option. After I do 
> edit, I then select the things I want to delete and then go to the delete 
> option at the bottom of the screen. 
> 
> Regards,
> Gigi
> 
> On Feb 25, 2012, at 8:31 PM, Michael Malarsie wrote:
> 
>> The only way I know to delete multiple messages is to press the edit button 
>> at the upper right of the corner. Then select the messages you want to move 
>> then press the move button and select the trash folder to move them.
>>You must be in the list of your mesasges to do this.
>> 
>> Mike Malarsie 
>> On Feb 25, 2012, at 8:20 PM, Alex Hall wrote:
>> 
>>> I hate to say this... but you can't select all messages at once. Sorry.
>>> 
>>> You can, however, delete a message while reading it. Just find the
>>> "move" button at the bottom of the screen, select the trash folder
>>> from the folder list that appears, and the message goes away. Note
>>> that when you do this, the next mesage in the folder will appear, you
>>> will not be taken back to the message list.
>>> 
>>> On 2/25/12, Jenny Keller  wrote:
 Hi
 
 Have lots of messages to delete from several boxes and can't figure out how
 to select them all at the same time to delete them at the same time? Can 
 you
 help?
 
 Still wondering if you can delete a message from the same screen you're
 reading it from?
 
 Thanks in advance for your help.
 
 Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Feb 25, 2012, at 6:16 PM, Philippa Woodcraft
  wrote:
 
> thanks so much! i haven't been able to get started, as i've had
> trouble installing it. do i need to work differently with it seeing as
> it is code rather than an application? many thanks. Philippa
> 
> On Feb 25, 11:57 am, "Maxwell Ivey Jr."  wrote:
>> hello; my name is max and I'm not an expert either but will help if i
>> can.  my email is  maxw...@midwaymarketplace.com  good luck,
>> On Feb 25, 2012, at 5:32 AM, David Eagle wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> My skype ID is deagle912
>> 
>>> Email me privately if you like with any questions.
>>> onlineea...@googlemail.com
>> 
>>> I am by no means an expert, but I'm sure I can offer some useful
>>> pointers. It is very accessible.
>> 
>>> Good luck.
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 24 Feb 2012, at 19:34, Philippa Woodcraft
>>> >>> wrote:
>> 
 thank you so much! i'll take you up on that if i get stuck, and i'm
 sure i will :-)
>> 
 On Feb 24, 2:51 pm, David Eagle  wrote:
> I use Joomla! at work which is a free open source Content management
> system. It should be pretty easy to create a simple website for your
> needs using that. I'd be happy to help you out if you want to talk
> about it over Skype. We can arrange a time to talk if you want any
> help.
>> 
> On 24/02/2012, Philippa Woodcraft 
> wrote:
>> 
>> i gather iWeb is not around now. does anyone have a
>> reckomendation of an
>> accessible web design/building ap? i'm trying to build a site for
>> my parents
>> holiday home with info, price list, dates booked etc. i no hardly
>> anything
>> about HTML etc. many thanks.
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Re: I can't figure out Dash Board

[Matt Dierckens]

Hi Ray.
I think if you hit VO f2, you can see what all the widgets. I have the weather 
one set to open when I open dashboard.
Hth.

Matt
Sent from my macbook pro

On 2012-02-26, at 8:26 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:

> Anbody here ever use Dashboard?  I can't figure it out.  Every time I launch 
> it, I land in the Calculator app and can't seem to move out of it.  I thought 
> perhaps there might be a weather wigit in Dashboard somewhere, but, I'm 
> blasted if I can figure out how this thing works.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
> 
> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
> 
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I can't figure out Dash Board

[Ray Foret Jr]

Anbody here ever use Dashboard?  I can't figure it out.  Every time I launch 
it, I land in the Calculator app and can't seem to move out of it.  I thought 
perhaps there might be a weather wigit in Dashboard somewhere, but, I'm blasted 
if I can figure out how this thing works.

Thanks.


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Re: Type In Braille

[chris hallsworth]

I haven't seen the one done by Code Factory.


Christopher H

On 25/02/2012 23:43, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:

Hi Chris.

What you speak about was done by Code Factory on their Last release of Windows 
Mobile and the current versions of Mobile Speak.

If you have seen the one's done by Code Factory, is the one for the I phone 
better?  The reason for asking is that I do use a braille display with my I 
phone 4S and finding writing in grade II quicker although I do use the onscreen 
keyboard if I have no keyboard to hand or braille display as I can't always 
dictate in the environments I am in i.e. work, using public transport etc.

Thanks in advance.

Kawal.

On 25 Feb 2012, at 11:18 PM, chris hallsworth  wrote:


Just purchased this app thanks to a friend recommendation. I like this app a 
lot already. Sent my first text message using it. Is certainly a lot quicker 
and easier than typing on the virtual keyboard. The latest version even allows 
you to share your text both on Twitter and/or Facebook. The app is £2.99 here 
in the UK.
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Re: Type In Braille

[chris hallsworth]

You will once you get the nack of it.


Christopher H

On 26/02/2012 05:22, Aser Tolentino wrote:

It looks to be limited to Grade 1, letters and basic punctuation. I've tried it 
and am atrociously slow; hopefully I'll get better with practice.

Respectfully,
Aser Tolentino, Esq.

On 25/02/2012, at 9:03 PM, Kevin Gibbs  wrote:


Does typenBraille understand Grade 2 Braille?

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Re: editing cell contents in numbers?

[Jürgen Fleger]

VO + Spacebar also works.
Regards 
Jürgen

Am 26.02.2012 um 04:21 schrieb Greg Aikens:

> Option + Enter should put your cursor in the cell to edit.
> 
> -Greg
> On Feb 25, 2012, at 5:37 AM, erik burggraaf wrote:
> 
>> Hi,  is there a key to edit cell contents in numbers?  The standard f2 
>> doesn't work.  I checked all through the menus and couldn't find it.  I 
>> looked in the inspector and it wasn't there either.  
>> 
>> Appreciate any help.
>> 
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