date:20150915

I'm gonna wait until Cara and Mark make their final judgements. I posted my 
opinions in another thread so I won't post them again, but I will say that if 
this list develops the strict rule that we can only talk about the Mac, then 
sorry to say, I'll be doing the same as others have and or will do and take my 
talents elsewhere. I'm subscribed to three other lists that let people talk 
about Mac and iPhone in one list, one list, Peel The Apple, has an off topic 
weekend where people can talk about anything, Windows, Android, even Jaws. The 
other two are Joseph Hudson's Blind Apples list and John P's Mac For The Blind 
list. So as you can see I have a lot of resources at my disposal. One more 
thing, the sad day will be when I do unsubscribe because I share Kawal's 
sentiments in that I've met a ton of awesome people and I even have some of you 
on Skype and social media. So it will be sad if I do unsubscribe because these 
past 5 years with you guys were awesome and to those of you that don't have me 
on Skype or social media, I'll miss you a lot.

Shawn
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> On Sep 15, 2015, at 4:54 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I agree with you Scott.  This is not the sentiment of the list that I joined 
> 10 years ago.  I will sign off of this one.  Can be more useful elsewhere.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Sep 15, 2015, at 12:15, Scott Granados  > wrote:
> 
> I thought the rest of the list would be interested in this response from Mark 
> sent off list but I think he should have responded on list.
> 
> Obviously he has no interest in what we the users have requested.  Any idiot 
> knows that the Apple environment is an ecosystem of devices and software as 
> well as content.  The Mac is a part, the iPhone is a part, pad still another. 
>  So instead of having one logical place to discuss the entire ecosystem your 
> moderator wants to have super fragmentation and then stifle conversations 
> that don’t deal with the Mac specifically.  We know the VIPhone list is over 
> run with garbage messages and badly moderated.  As several stated they wanted 
> a place here to discuss the entire Apple product line and also presented was 
> this list predates any others and as such previously was a clearinghouse for 
> all things Apple not just Mac.  I will of course comply by leaving the list 
> as I have no interest in subscribing to yet more lists and I hope his power 
> trip was satisfying.  Mark, your users don’t want this so why enforce 
> something that doesn’t make sense and doesn’t meet the needs of the many 
> users who have spoken up?
> 
> Enjoy!
> 
>  
> 
> 
>> Begin forwarded message:
>> 
>> From: "M. Taylor" mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>>
>> Subject: To Scott from Mark: Off-List: RE: MODERATOR REQUEST: iPhone 6S?
>> Date: September 15, 2015 at 2:09:33 PM EDT
>> To: mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>>
>> Reply-To: mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>>
>> 
>> Hello Scott,
>> 
>> As stated in the subject, I am replying to you, off-list.  I would have 
>> appreciated the same courtesy.
>> 
>> While I appreciate your sentiment on this, the bottom line is that this list 
>> is dedicated to Mac OSX products and services only.  
>> 
>> So I ask you to please respect this policy and close this thread.
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>  
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> ] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 6:02 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: MODERATOR REQUEST: iPhone 6S?
>> 
>> This is bogus.
>> 
>> I absolutely ask you to reconsider.  Apple devices should be on topic.  Non 
>> apple devices should be on topic as long as the topic involves 
>> interoperation with Apple devices or comparisons of Apple devices to that 
>> product.
>> 
>> This list should allow the watch as well and support all Apple products.  
>> There may be an iPhone list and that’s all well and good but a lot of us 
>> don’t want to bother with more than one list
>> 
>> On Sep 15, 2015, at 4:15 AM, M. Taylor > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Everyone,
>> 
>> As this is not an iOS forum, I ask that this topic be taken off-list.
>> 
>> Thank you for understanding.
>> 
>> Mark
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Re: MODERATOR REQUEST, UPDATE

Same here. All Apple products should be discussed. Don't forget that we use our 
iOS devices in conjunction with our Macs via iTunes so talk about an iOS device 
is still relevant.

Shawn
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> On Sep 15, 2015, at 3:11 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
> I can't ever remember a time where this list was solely devoted to OS X and 
> discussion of other OSS iOS etc. was excluded. I have seen that with the 
> MacAccess list and that has gone the way of the dinosaur. I vote that we 
> allow all Apple discussion to continue.
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
> 
> 
>> On Sep 15, 2015, at 2:50 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Everyone,
>> 
>> As was just posted to the list, I would have greatly appreciated objections
>> to my previous request be sent off-list as I think that is the most
>> courteous.  
>> 
>> Let me make it clear that there is no power trip going on here.
>> 
>> In fact, although I sent an off-list request to a list member asking to
>> respect the current policy, I did so while I was conversing with the list
>> owner to confirm the fact that the list members appreciate having this
>> community to discuss all Apple products.  
>> 
>> Like you, I enjoy having one place to discuss multiple products.  
>> 
>> Please know that my only goal was to maintain the integrity of the list.  
>> 
>> If everyone agrees that this is what they want, then so be it.  
>> 
>> However, I must confirm this with the list owner so please be patient and
>> know that I am here to serve, not dictate, okay?  
>> 
>> Mark
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Re: goodbye macvisionaries

No kidding. That was kinda a snobby thing you just posted Yuma.

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> On Sep 15, 2015, at 3:02 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
> Well, I am not sure but I think I've been insulted! My friend I think you're 
> going to have to start your own such list. I mean, after all, look who you're 
> asking for advice and direction. Very same people you think are fools adios 
> my friend good luck bye
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
> 
> 
>> On Sep 15, 2015, at 3:15 PM, Yuma Decaux  wrote:
>> 
>> Considering the kind of polemics this list is going through, and that I 
>> haven’t seen one topic of which I am not aware of being an older mac os/ios 
>> user, I think it is time to shut my subscription from this list and look for 
>> a more adapted list which tries to advance the ideas of technology, and 
>> voice over in particular. May someone point me to a list which basically 
>> does not discuss so much about how to click this icon or make this boot 
>> drive work with that OS but rather a more creative output of ideas, 
>> developer topics and other subjecst that may appeal more to computer 
>> scientists, programmers and other creative heads? I know of some list that 
>> goes in this line, but I am looking for a place where everyone, or a large 
>> majority is a blind apple developer, programmer or tech industrial who uses 
>> xcode or can enter a more intellectually stimulating line of topics to help 
>> me understand better what blind/visually impaired users are looking for in 
>> apps, technologies such as A.I, machine learning as applied to apps or even 
>> conceptual discussions for sonificating apps for games and interactive 
>> media? Or does such a list exist?
>> 
>> In any case, I hope this list will clean up a bit as now it has become a 
>> large boudoir of everyone throwing in their opinion on every topic, which 
>> has become very tedious and superfluous at this point. I am not pointing 
>> fingers at anyone in particular, but hope that as a group, this list will 
>> start putting more emphasis on what matters. Action is much more respectable 
>> than politics and competing to have the most score in giving technical 
>> advice or saying what you think. I have noticed one very important 
>> difference between sighted and visually impaired users. The former are 
>> inundated with visual advertising and therefore know how to filter out the 
>> superfluous. As a blind programmer, I live in a world almost devoid of any 
>> ads save youtube, and therefore am much aware of the superfluous. So I 
>> preffer filtering it out rather than sticking to some strange illusion of 
>> grandeur over being in some list where everyone is cackering over 
>> everything. In some ways, this is counter productive as it is hours and 
>> hours of writing back and forth, every day. Think about it. It has no 
>> utility and no intrinsic value.
>> 
>> But people get addicted to it, just like anything else in the world. I’d 
>> rather get addicted to producing music, apps, creating technologies and 
>> being outdoors camping, going to festivals, socialising, dining and doing 
>> sports than being addicted to responding to tech help requests.
>> 
>> In any case, take care of yourselves everyone.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: How to uninstall an app

Hi. That sounds like too many keys to memorize if I'm a new Mac user. An easier 
way of sending an app to the trash is to go to the applications folder in 
finder like George said with Command+Shift+A, then find the app you wish to 
delete and then press Command+Backspace. Then to empty the trash, while in 
finder press Command+Shift+Backspace. It doesn't matter where you are in 
finder, those two commands I just mentioned will work anywhere. Hope this helps.

Shawn
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> On Sep 15, 2015, at 10:57 AM, george b  wrote:
> 
> Make sure you are not running the app
> Now from the desktop / finder do a command shift a to go to the applications 
> view
> Now interact with the table of apps
> Now arrow to the app you wish to remove
> Do a control option shift m to open the contectuall menu
> Arrow down to send to drash and hit control option  spacebar and it is in the 
> trash
>  
> Now command w to close  the apps window
> Now go to the finder menu at the top of the screen and arrow down to empty 
> trash and follow the prompts after doing a control option spacebar to open 
> the empty trash window.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of William Gallik
> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 08:41
> To: E-Mail Group MacVisionaries 
> Subject: How to uninstall an app
>  
> Well folks, as an addendum to hi earlier post regarding checkbook HD, how do 
> you get rid of an app once you've installed it on a mac mini?
> 
>  
>  
> 
> - Bill 😎
> - Sent from "Bill's iPhone 6"
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Re: MODERATOR REQUEST: iPhone 6S?

2015-09-15 Thread sadam . lists

Glad you agree. :) 

There are many intelligent people on this list who know great deal about both 
platforms. 

It would be nice to get their opinions and viewpoints relating to both 
operating systems. 

Kind regards, 

Sadam Ahmed 

Sent from my iPhone 

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> On 16 Sep 2015, at 10:35 am, Jessica Moss  wrote:
> 
> In total agreement with you on that.
>> On Sep 15, 2015, at 2:52 PM, sadam.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> Apples products and services are all interconnected. 
>> 
>> To limit the discussion to Mac OS X would be very shortsighted. 
>> 
>> Just my two cents. 
>> 
>> Kind regards, 
>> 
>> Sadam Ahmed 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone 
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>> 
>> 
>>> On 16 Sep 2015, at 4:39 am, David Tanner  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Perhaps the AppleVis list might be more open to discussion of all Apple 
>>> products.
>>> 
>>> Clearly the mod of this list is determined to rid the list of iOS 
>>> altogether. 
>>> 
>>> David Tanner
>>> 
>>> From my iPhone 6 
>>> 
 On Sep 15, 2015, at 11:53 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 I'd just like to add my +1 here.  these products are so interconnected 
 that to limit the list in that way would make for a much less useful list.
 Best,
 Donna
> On Sep 15, 2015, at 8:11 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mark,
> 
> I respectfully disagree.  It has been stated in the past that 
> MacVisionaries is an "Everything Apple" list where we can discuss just 
> that, MacOS, iOS, Apple hardware etc.  As the line between the MacOS, the 
> iOS and its related hardware continually fades, I feel that it is very 
> beneficial to be able to discuss a wider range of Apple hardware/software 
> as it relates to accessibility on this list.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Sep 15, 2015, at 02:15, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> As this is not an iOS forum, I ask that this topic be taken off-list.
> 
> Thank you for understanding.
> 
> Mark
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Re: iPhone 6S?

2015-09-15 Thread erik burggraaf

Man, Mary, I couldn’t agree with you more! Their speakers are a weak 
link!
> On Sep 14, 2015, at 9:49 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Aside from a breakthrough and battery technology, which has already been 
> mentioned and is not under apples control I don't guess, there is one thing I 
> would love to see Apple do with its phone. That is, do like HTC does and put 
> decent speakers on the phone. I'm not expecting a home theater experience on 
> my phone. But my husband has an HTC, and the sound that comes from that phone 
> is really good for a phone. Apple has never put really good speakers in any 
> of its tablets or phones. That is a place where they could stand some major 
> improvement.
> Mary
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 6:09 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> I’m sure they will I’m just trying to think what they will add.  It’s not 
>> like I can think of new features the phone needs.:)  There will always be 
>> faster processors ok there’s one, faster networking, there’s 2, then it 
>> thins out quick.  What would I add that the phone needs that it doesn’t 
>> have?  Not much I can think of.
>> 
>>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 9:02 AM, sadam.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> 
>>> They can always find some way of improving the phone. 
>>> 
>>> Remember this device generated $102 billion last quarter. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone 
>>> 
>>> -- 
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>>> 
>>> 
 On 14 Sep 2015, at 11:00 pm, Scott Granados  
 wrote:
 
 I don’t know what they can do on the hardware side.  This version is a 
 pretty complete device.  The software has possibilities but you don’t need 
 to sell new hardware for that.
 
 
> On Sep 14, 2015, at 8:56 AM, Terje Strømberg  
> wrote:
> 
> Agree, good uppgrade. Where do we go from here? Still many roads to walk. 
> An iPhone car on battery completely accessible with Voice Over?
> 
> Take care
> 
> 14. sep. 2015 kl. 14:48 skrev Scott Granados :
> 
> I really don’t see what they will add after this.  The phone has every 
> thing now.  A really solid radio finally that works on all the networks 
> fully, a nice high end camera, fast 64 bit processor, NFC, where do they 
> go from here?
> 
>> On Sep 12, 2015, at 11:44 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Well, you'll have to let us know what you think!
>> Donna
>>> On Sep 12, 2015, at 9:21 AM, george b  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ah,
>>> 
>>> I got it, so I think it is awesome and I already ordered a 6s plus
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>>> Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2015 06:57
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: iPhone 6S?
>>> 
>>> Well, that's certainly true.  I just wondered what the take-aways were 
>>> from thursday's event.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
 On Sep 12, 2015, at 8:37 AM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 We really won’t know anything until people actually get their hands on 
 it on the 25th. There are hands-on articles, but those don’t give any 
 indication of how voiceover will work with 3D Touch, naturally.
 
> On Sep 12, 2015, at 8:33 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Just wondering what people have heard about the iPhone 6S.  Any 
> worthwhile developments?
> Cheers,
> Donna
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Re: But do not products work together? is Mod's request.

2015-09-15 Thread Jessica Moss

Same here.
On Sep 15, 2015, at 3:52 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:

> I don't have time for multiple lists so I agree with Scott, all Apple devices 
> should be allowed onthese lists as Apple are releasing many products that 
> work with the I phone so Scott, you have my vote.
> 
> Kawal.
> On 15 Sep 2015, at 14:18, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> Hi folks,
> granted I am far from expert, but my feeling has been that in theory the idea 
> of having more than one Apple product, i.e. a mac and an ios device, is to 
> use them at least in some way together.
> Apple hopes you will do this by requiring? some features, an apple id for 
> example, to make full use of functions.
> so why cannot the list benefit from  discussions of both platforms?
> Which is an Apple tv by definition, an ios device or an os x one?  See what I 
> mean?
> You might use our Apple tv to watch things on your monitor perhaps?
> Just my curiosity about a line that might not really exist anymore?
> Karen
> 
> 
> On Tue, 15 Sep 2015, Scott Granados wrote:
> 
>> This is bogus.
>> 
>> I absolutely ask you to reconsider.  Apple devices should be on topic.  Non 
>> apple devices should be on topic as long as the topic involves 
>> interoperation with Apple devices or comparisons of Apple devices to that 
>> product.
>> 
>> This list should allow the watch as well and support all Apple products.  
>> There may be an iPhone list and that’s all well and good but a lot of us 
>> don’t want to bother with more than one list
>> 
>>> On Sep 15, 2015, at 4:15 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Everyone,
>>> 
>>> As this is not an iOS forum, I ask that this topic be taken off-list.
>>> 
>>> Thank you for understanding.
>>> 
>>> Mark
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Re: MODERATOR REQUEST: iPhone 6S?

2015-09-15 Thread Jessica Moss

In total agreement with you on that.
On Sep 15, 2015, at 2:52 PM, sadam.li...@gmail.com wrote:

> Apples products and services are all interconnected. 
> 
> To limit the discussion to Mac OS X would be very shortsighted. 
> 
> Just my two cents. 
> 
> Kind regards, 
> 
> Sadam Ahmed 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 
> 
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> 
> 
> On 16 Sep 2015, at 4:39 am, David Tanner  wrote:
> 
>> Perhaps the AppleVis list might be more open to discussion of all Apple 
>> products.
>> 
>> Clearly the mod of this list is determined to rid the list of iOS 
>> altogether. 
>> 
>> David Tanner
>> 
>> From my iPhone 6 
>> 
>> On Sep 15, 2015, at 11:53 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I'd just like to add my +1 here.  these products are so interconnected that 
>>> to limit the list in that way would make for a much less useful list.
>>> Best,
>>> Donna
 On Sep 15, 2015, at 8:11 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
 
 Hi Mark,
 
 I respectfully disagree.  It has been stated in the past that 
 MacVisionaries is an "Everything Apple" list where we can discuss just 
 that, MacOS, iOS, Apple hardware etc.  As the line between the MacOS, the 
 iOS and its related hardware continually fades, I feel that it is very 
 beneficial to be able to discuss a wider range of Apple hardware/software 
 as it relates to accessibility on this list.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Sep 15, 2015, at 02:15, M. Taylor  wrote:
 
 Hello Everyone,
 
 As this is not an iOS forum, I ask that this topic be taken off-list.
 
 Thank you for understanding.
 
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Re: \Keyboare Commanders not working

2015-09-15 Thread Alex Hall

Are they enabled? Press vo-shift-k, and see if you hear "keyboard commander 
on". If so, problem solved! If not, let us know and we can try to figure out 
something else.
> On Sep 15, 2015, at 18:55, Sandy Finley  wrote:
> 
> No, I am not asking how to make keyboard or track pad commanders. I have made 
> both and used them now for several weeks. But for some reason, my keyboard 
> commanders are no longer operational. I have my keyboard commanders set to 
> work with both option keys; one of them is option E for finding a text field 
> on a web site; another is option  I for interacting. But they just don't 
> work. They are still in the keyboard commander table but if I push option E I 
> hear, "prime." If I go into VO keyboard help with VOK, and press option e,, I 
> hear nothing.
> 
> The onlyrecent  change I have made on my Mac  is to hook up my Bluetooth 
> keyboard. Could there be a connection? These problems exist whether I try the 
> Bluetooth or regular Mac keyboard. Thanks.
> 
> Sandy Finley ´
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\Keyboare Commanders not working

2015-09-15 Thread Sandy Finley

No, I am not asking how to make keyboard or track pad commanders. I have made 
both and used them now for several weeks. But for some reason, my keyboard 
commanders are no longer operational. I have my keyboard commanders set to work 
with both option keys; one of them is option E for finding a text field on a 
web site; another is option  I for interacting. But they just don't work. They 
are still in the keyboard commander table but if I push option E I hear, 
"prime." If I go into VO keyboard help with VOK, and press option e,, I hear 
nothing.

The onlyrecent  change I have made on my Mac  is to hook up my Bluetooth 
keyboard. Could there be a connection? These problems exist whether I try the 
Bluetooth or regular Mac keyboard. Thanks.

Sandy Finley ´

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Re: Old-time Radio listservs

2015-09-15 Thread 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries

you can go to archive.org and search for old time radio. that's where i found 
all my episodes of  suspense and sergeant preston. try whitestick.co.uk and 
click on the mailing lists section. there wasn't one there last year but there 
might be one now. good luck, max 


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On Sep 14, 2015, at 1:56 PM, Tim Emmons wrote:

> guys, I have a question and I hope everybody doesn’t mind. I apologize for 
> the cross-posting and I know that for some of these lists this is going to be 
> way off topic but I wanted to ask and if you want to take clutter off the 
> lists, please, email or contact me privately off the list so as to avoid 
> clutter and off topic stuff that might ensue. I have rediscovered and fallen 
> in love again, with old-time radio. I love listening and finding new programs 
> and when Bard went down this is what kept me entertained for hours on top of 
> course, of everything else, chasing a two-year old, (my son) and other 
> numerous things. Lol. But, I wanted to know if there might be a list or lists 
> out there devoted to Old-time Radio, programs, and all that type of thing. I 
> wasn’t sure where to look but I’m curious. If anyone can let me know, that 
> would be awesome or point me in the direction that would be great. I started 
> using Vintage Radio, an app in the App store, and I did their yearly 
> subscription of $19.99 for their whole catalog which is huge but I can’t ever 
> get enough of this stuff. Lol. I was a member of a list a long long time ago, 
> but life and things in general at the time had gotten in the way of getting 
> the cDS back but I don’t know that the mp3 CdS make their rounds like they 
> did back in the day, but I’m curious. Thanks again guys and if you know of 
> anywhere to point me in the direction please let me know. Thanks again and 
> again sorry for the off topic cross posts on some places but just trying to 
> get an idea here. Thanks again and take care. 
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Re: Seeking VO Friendly Checkbook App

2015-09-15 Thread Caitlyn Furness

Are you wanting this for the i phone or the mac?

I don’t have any special app reccommendations, however, my husband uses numbers 
for check registar purposes.  You can at least keep track of incoming and 
outgoing cash flow this way..
hth,
Caitlyn

> On Sep 15, 2015, at 9:13 AM, Bill Gallik  wrote:
> 
> I am looking for checkbook software that’s VO friendly.  Earlier this morning 
> I installed “Checkbook HD Free,” but found it extremely inaccessible.  
> Thankfully, I did install the free version. Hopefully, someone can advise me 
> of a far more suitable app for my purposes.
> 
> I should add that I do not require the ability to print checks from this app 
> as I will be using the app primarily as an online check register.  But if 
> anybody can suggest a program that could additionally print to standard 
> checks, I would certainly be receptive!
> 
> - Bill & Leader Dog Holland
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Re: sending a direct message in night owl

2015-09-15 Thread Michael Babcock

highlight the tweet of someone you want to DM, then press the letter “d”.
or type “d username message” in the edit field to direct message them. example:
d pay own hey michael how’s it going?
would direct message me. (note when direct messaging, don’t put the @ symbol 
before the twitter handle)
hah

Michael Babcock
Blind Dad, Brother, and Your Digital Marketing Partner :
@payown on periscope and twitter.
http://yourownpay.com/ 




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> Hi All,
> I have another Night owl question. I want to send a direct message. What is 
> the best way to do this? I clicked on direct message on the menu bar. But, I 
> could not figure out how to tell who the message was going to. So any help 
> would be great!
> Thanks for all the help,
> Laura 
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Re: To Scott from Mark: Off-List: RE: MODERATOR REQUEST: iPhone 6S?

Hi,

I agree with you Scott.  This is not the sentiment of the list that I joined 10 
years ago.  I will sign off of this one.  Can be more useful elsewhere.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 15, 2015, at 12:15, Scott Granados  wrote:

I thought the rest of the list would be interested in this response from Mark 
sent off list but I think he should have responded on list.

Obviously he has no interest in what we the users have requested.  Any idiot 
knows that the Apple environment is an ecosystem of devices and software as 
well as content.  The Mac is a part, the iPhone is a part, pad still another.  
So instead of having one logical place to discuss the entire ecosystem your 
moderator wants to have super fragmentation and then stifle conversations that 
don’t deal with the Mac specifically.  We know the VIPhone list is over run 
with garbage messages and badly moderated.  As several stated they wanted a 
place here to discuss the entire Apple product line and also presented was this 
list predates any others and as such previously was a clearinghouse for all 
things Apple not just Mac.  I will of course comply by leaving the list as I 
have no interest in subscribing to yet more lists and I hope his power trip was 
satisfying.  Mark, your users don’t want this so why enforce something that 
doesn’t make sense and doesn’t meet the needs of the many users who have spoken 
up?

Enjoy!

> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: "M. Taylor" mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>>
> Subject: To Scott from Mark: Off-List: RE: MODERATOR REQUEST: iPhone 6S?
> Date: September 15, 2015 at 2:09:33 PM EDT
> To: mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>>
> Reply-To: mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>>
> 
> Hello Scott,
> 
> As stated in the subject, I am replying to you, off-list.  I would have 
> appreciated the same courtesy.
> 
> While I appreciate your sentiment on this, the bottom line is that this list 
> is dedicated to Mac OSX products and services only.  
> 
> So I ask you to please respect this policy and close this thread.
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Mark
> 
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>  
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> ] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 6:02 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: MODERATOR REQUEST: iPhone 6S?
> 
> This is bogus.
> 
> I absolutely ask you to reconsider.  Apple devices should be on topic.  Non 
> apple devices should be on topic as long as the topic involves interoperation 
> with Apple devices or comparisons of Apple devices to that product.
> 
> This list should allow the watch as well and support all Apple products.  
> There may be an iPhone list and that’s all well and good but a lot of us 
> don’t want to bother with more than one list
> 
> On Sep 15, 2015, at 4:15 AM, M. Taylor  > wrote:
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> As this is not an iOS forum, I ask that this topic be taken off-list.
> 
> Thank you for understanding.
> 
> Mark
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Re: MODERATOR REQUEST: iPhone 6S?

2015-09-15 Thread Devin Prater

There's always the peel the apple list. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 15, 2015, at 2:04 PM, Krister Ekstrom  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> Maybe it’s about time to rid us of the Macvisionaries and Viphone lists 
> alltogether and merge them into one list and call it something like ”all 
> things Apple”, since iDevices and Macs and maybe even Apple Tv and definitely 
> AppleWatch are part of one whole thing namely the Apple echo system.
> /Krister
> 
>> 15 sep. 2015 kl. 20:39 skrev David Tanner :
>> 
>> Perhaps the AppleVis list might be more open to discussion of all Apple 
>> products.
>> 
>> Clearly the mod of this list is determined to rid the list of iOS 
>> altogether. 
>> 
>> David Tanner
>> 
>> From my iPhone 6 
>> 
>>> On Sep 15, 2015, at 11:53 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I'd just like to add my +1 here.  these products are so interconnected that 
>>> to limit the list in that way would make for a much less useful list.
>>> Best,
>>> Donna
 On Sep 15, 2015, at 8:11 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
 
 Hi Mark,
 
 I respectfully disagree.  It has been stated in the past that 
 MacVisionaries is an "Everything Apple" list where we can discuss just 
 that, MacOS, iOS, Apple hardware etc.  As the line between the MacOS, the 
 iOS and its related hardware continually fades, I feel that it is very 
 beneficial to be able to discuss a wider range of Apple hardware/software 
 as it relates to accessibility on this list.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Sep 15, 2015, at 02:15, M. Taylor  wrote:
 
 Hello Everyone,
 
 As this is not an iOS forum, I ask that this topic be taken off-list.
 
 Thank you for understanding.
 
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Re: To Scott from Mark: Off-List: RE: MODERATOR REQUEST: iPhone 6S?

2015-09-15 Thread Terje Strømberg

This should be an Apple list i.e. includes all apple hardware and apple 
software.

Take care

15. sep. 2015 kl. 23:11 skrev Devin Prater :

Oh, the sad irony. But alas, people only want the "give us what we want then do 
what we want" kind of deal. Is it so hard to take this to the viPhone list? 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 15, 2015, at 3:58 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
> 
> I find it rather interesting that only a few days ago, people were 
> complaining that this list was not being moderated. Now that Marcus volunteer 
> to do this, people are up in arms. It's a thankless job but I can't imagine 
> why anybody would ever want to do this.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 15, 2015, at 4:19 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> May be this list has become over moderated if there is such a word.  I 
>> remember, once we were not permitted to discuss Windows and that was a one 
>> day wonder.  Will this be?
>> On 15 Sep 2015, at 21:07, Phil Halton  wrote:
>> 
>> OK, I guess that means that in Mark's official judgment any discussion of 
>> iOS TV OS or Apple Watch is forbidden, h!
>> Just keeps getting stranger and stranger.
>> Sent from my IPhone
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 15, 2015, at 2:15 PM, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I thought the rest of the list would be interested in this response from 
>>> Mark sent off list but I think he should have responded on list.
>>> 
>>> Obviously he has no interest in what we the users have requested.  Any 
>>> idiot knows that the Apple environment is an ecosystem of devices and 
>>> software as well as content.  The Mac is a part, the iPhone is a part, pad 
>>> still another.  So instead of having one logical place to discuss the 
>>> entire ecosystem your moderator wants to have super fragmentation and then 
>>> stifle conversations that don’t deal with the Mac specifically.  We know 
>>> the VIPhone list is over run with garbage messages and badly moderated.  As 
>>> several stated they wanted a place here to discuss the entire Apple product 
>>> line and also presented was this list predates any others and as such 
>>> previously was a clearinghouse for all things Apple not just Mac.  I will 
>>> of course comply by leaving the list as I have no interest in subscribing 
>>> to yet more lists and I hope his power trip was satisfying.  Mark, your 
>>> users don’t want this so why enforce something that doesn’t make sense and 
>>> doesn’t meet the needs of the many users who have spoken up?
>>> 
>>> Enjoy!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 Begin forwarded message:

 From: "M. Taylor" 
 Subject: To Scott from Mark: Off-List: RE: MODERATOR REQUEST: iPhone 6S?
 Date: September 15, 2015 at 2:09:33 PM EDT
 To: 
 Reply-To: 

 Hello Scott,

 As stated in the subject, I am replying to you, off-list.  I would have 
 appreciated the same courtesy.

 While I appreciate your sentiment on this, the bottom line is that this 
 list is dedicated to Mac OSX products and services only.  

 So I ask you to please respect this policy and close this thread.

 Thank you,

 Mark

 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
 Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 6:02 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: MODERATOR REQUEST: iPhone 6S?

 This is bogus.

 I absolutely ask you to reconsider.  Apple devices should be on topic.  
 Non apple devices should be on topic as long as the topic involves 
 interoperation with Apple devices or comparisons of Apple devices to that 
 product.

 This list should allow the watch as well and support all Apple products.  
 There may be an iPhone list and that’s all well and good but a lot of us 
 don’t want to bother with more than one list

 On Sep 15, 2015, at 4:15 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:

 Hello Everyone,

 As this is not an iOS forum, I ask that this topic be taken off-list.

 Thank you for understanding.

 Mark

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Re: To Scott from Mark: Off-List: RE: MODERATOR REQUEST: iPhone 6S?

2015-09-15 Thread Devin Prater

Oh, the sad irony. But alas, people only want the "give us what we want then do 
what we want" kind of deal. Is it so hard to take this to the viPhone list? 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 15, 2015, at 3:58 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
> 
> I find it rather interesting that only a few days ago, people were 
> complaining that this list was not being moderated. Now that Marcus volunteer 
> to do this, people are up in arms. It's a thankless job but I can't imagine 
> why anybody would ever want to do this.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 15, 2015, at 4:19 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> May be this list has become over moderated if there is such a word.  I 
>> remember, once we were not permitted to discuss Windows and that was a one 
>> day wonder.  Will this be?
>> On 15 Sep 2015, at 21:07, Phil Halton  wrote:
>> 
>> OK, I guess that means that in Mark's official judgment any discussion of 
>> iOS TV OS or Apple Watch is forbidden, h!
>> Just keeps getting stranger and stranger.
>> Sent from my IPhone
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 15, 2015, at 2:15 PM, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I thought the rest of the list would be interested in this response from 
>>> Mark sent off list but I think he should have responded on list.
>>> 
>>> Obviously he has no interest in what we the users have requested.  Any 
>>> idiot knows that the Apple environment is an ecosystem of devices and 
>>> software as well as content.  The Mac is a part, the iPhone is a part, pad 
>>> still another.  So instead of having one logical place to discuss the 
>>> entire ecosystem your moderator wants to have super fragmentation and then 
>>> stifle conversations that don’t deal with the Mac specifically.  We know 
>>> the VIPhone list is over run with garbage messages and badly moderated.  As 
>>> several stated they wanted a place here to discuss the entire Apple product 
>>> line and also presented was this list predates any others and as such 
>>> previously was a clearinghouse for all things Apple not just Mac.  I will 
>>> of course comply by leaving the list as I have no interest in subscribing 
>>> to yet more lists and I hope his power trip was satisfying.  Mark, your 
>>> users don’t want this so why enforce something that doesn’t make sense and 
>>> doesn’t meet the needs of the many users who have spoken up?
>>> 
>>> Enjoy!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 Begin forwarded message:
 
 From: "M. Taylor" 
 Subject: To Scott from Mark: Off-List: RE: MODERATOR REQUEST: iPhone 6S?
 Date: September 15, 2015 at 2:09:33 PM EDT
 To: 
 Reply-To: 
 
 Hello Scott,
 
 As stated in the subject, I am replying to you, off-list.  I would have 
 appreciated the same courtesy.
 
 While I appreciate your sentiment on this, the bottom line is that this 
 list is dedicated to Mac OSX products and services only.  
 
 So I ask you to please respect this policy and close this thread.
 
 Thank you,
 
 Mark
 
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
 Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 6:02 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: MODERATOR REQUEST: iPhone 6S?
 
 This is bogus.
 
 I absolutely ask you to reconsider.  Apple devices should be on topic.  
 Non apple devices should be on topic as long as the topic involves 
 interoperation with Apple devices or comparisons of Apple devices to that 
 product.
 
 This list should allow the watch as well and support all Apple products.  
 There may be an iPhone list and that’s all well and good but a lot of us 
 don’t want to bother with more than one list
 
 On Sep 15, 2015, at 4:15 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:
 
 Hello Everyone,
 
 As this is not an iOS forum, I ask that this topic be taken off-list.
 
 Thank you for understanding.
 
 Mark
 
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Re: To Scott from Mark: Off-List: RE: MODERATOR REQUEST: iPhone 6S?

2015-09-15 Thread Les Kriegler

I find it rather interesting that only a few days ago, people were complaining 
that this list was not being moderated. Now that Marcus volunteer to do this, 
people are up in arms. It's a thankless job but I can't imagine why anybody 
would ever want to do this.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 15, 2015, at 4:19 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> May be this list has become over moderated if there is such a word.  I 
> remember, once we were not permitted to discuss Windows and that was a one 
> day wonder.  Will this be?
> On 15 Sep 2015, at 21:07, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
> OK, I guess that means that in Mark's official judgment any discussion of iOS 
> TV OS or Apple Watch is forbidden, h!
> Just keeps getting stranger and stranger.
> Sent from my IPhone
> 
> 
>> On Sep 15, 2015, at 2:15 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> I thought the rest of the list would be interested in this response from 
>> Mark sent off list but I think he should have responded on list.
>> 
>> Obviously he has no interest in what we the users have requested.  Any idiot 
>> knows that the Apple environment is an ecosystem of devices and software as 
>> well as content.  The Mac is a part, the iPhone is a part, pad still 
>> another.  So instead of having one logical place to discuss the entire 
>> ecosystem your moderator wants to have super fragmentation and then stifle 
>> conversations that don’t deal with the Mac specifically.  We know the 
>> VIPhone list is over run with garbage messages and badly moderated.  As 
>> several stated they wanted a place here to discuss the entire Apple product 
>> line and also presented was this list predates any others and as such 
>> previously was a clearinghouse for all things Apple not just Mac.  I will of 
>> course comply by leaving the list as I have no interest in subscribing to 
>> yet more lists and I hope his power trip was satisfying.  Mark, your users 
>> don’t want this so why enforce something that doesn’t make sense and doesn’t 
>> meet the needs of the many users who have spoken up?
>> 
>> Enjoy!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>> 
>>> From: "M. Taylor" 
>>> Subject: To Scott from Mark: Off-List: RE: MODERATOR REQUEST: iPhone 6S?
>>> Date: September 15, 2015 at 2:09:33 PM EDT
>>> To: 
>>> Reply-To: 
>>> 
>>> Hello Scott,
>>> 
>>> As stated in the subject, I am replying to you, off-list.  I would have 
>>> appreciated the same courtesy.
>>> 
>>> While I appreciate your sentiment on this, the bottom line is that this 
>>> list is dedicated to Mac OSX products and services only.  
>>> 
>>> So I ask you to please respect this policy and close this thread.
>>> 
>>> Thank you,
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 6:02 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: MODERATOR REQUEST: iPhone 6S?
>>> 
>>> This is bogus.
>>> 
>>> I absolutely ask you to reconsider.  Apple devices should be on topic.  Non 
>>> apple devices should be on topic as long as the topic involves 
>>> interoperation with Apple devices or comparisons of Apple devices to that 
>>> product.
>>> 
>>> This list should allow the watch as well and support all Apple products.  
>>> There may be an iPhone list and that’s all well and good but a lot of us 
>>> don’t want to bother with more than one list
>>> 
>>> On Sep 15, 2015, at 4:15 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Everyone,
>>> 
>>> As this is not an iOS forum, I ask that this topic be taken off-list.
>>> 
>>> Thank you for understanding.
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
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sending a direct message in night owl

2015-09-15 Thread Laura Bratton

Hi All,
I have another Night owl question. I want to send a direct message. What is the 
best way to do this? I clicked on direct message on the menu bar. But, I could 
not figure out how to tell who the message was going to. So any help would be 
great!
Thanks for all the help,
Laura 

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Re: VMWare Fusion

2015-09-15 Thread Andrew Lamanche

Normally, when I open my vmware fusion and start up windows 7, the virtual 
windows opens up in full screen mode and I have the use of the keyboard 
straight away.  If I experience problems, I use control+command+f to toggle 
between full screen and minimised screen.  You want full screen of course.  I 
test whether I’m in Windows usually by pressing control+escape which is windows 
shortcut for start up menu.  This confirms to me that I’m in Windows.

Once I know I’m in windows, I often unload voiceover with command+f5 to avoid 
key combination conflicts which although they are rare, they do exist.

Hope this helps

Andrew
> On 15 Sep 2015, at 18:02, Marshall Scott  wrote:
> 
> Yes, I have Windows 7 installed along with JAWS.  I can get into Windows but 
> can't seem to stay there.  I'm not certain about how to get in and out of the 
> Windows 7 window.  Sorry I can't give you a better description of the problem.
> Thanks,
> Marshall
> 
>> On Sep 15, 2015, at 10:38 AM, george b  wrote:
>> 
>> Do you have windows installed on your v m machine?
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Marshall Scott
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 09:33
>> To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>> Subject: VMWare Fusion
>> 
>> Hi,
>> I'm trying to get VMWare Fusion 7 up and running under Yosemite.  I can't 
>> seem to get into the Windows 7 window.  I googled and found an article on 
>> AppleVis but it isn't helpful.  Any suggestions?
>> Thanks,
>> Marshall
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Re: chromevox and google chrome? or reliable firefox?

Hi,

I use ChromeVox daily and it works fine for me.  To change the voice while 
using ChromeVox, press ChromeVox keys + o then press o again.  ChromeVox is 
especially useful in Google things like Google Docs, Sheets etc.  Sometimes 
Chrome works better on a site, sometimes Safari does, it depends on the site.  
I prefer Safari for most things as ChromeVox only works in the browser area, it 
does not work in the menus and header areas.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 15, 2015, at 10:37, Michael Babcock  wrote:

Good Day:
I hope this message finds each and everyone of you well!
I'm writing as I've got a quick question related to Google Chrome.
Some of the services I use are not supported with Safari, and it is recommended 
that I use Google Chrome for the services.
I found that voiceover was not reliable with Google Chrome, and Learned that 
the reason was because I did not install the chromevox plugin, so I went ahead 
and installed.
I then disabled voiceover and was attempting to go through the interactive 
tutorial found here:
http://www.chromevox.com/tutorial/index.html 

However two things occurred that I think some feedback on.
Number one, for some reason the"bubbles" voice was being used even though I 
think my system default voices Alex but as I write this message I'm not 100% 
sure. Do you know where i might be able to verify this?
Secondly and in my personal opinion more important, as i can deal With the 
"bubbles" voice though it's not ideal, as I was going through the tutorial 
referenced above I was instructed to use the control and Command key as 
modifiers for chromevox, and was instructed to locate these keys. When I press 
the control key as instructed, I was congratulated and told that I had found 
the correct key. Then when I press the command key, again I was congratulated 
and told that I had found the correct key. However, the next step was to press 
the control and command  key at the same time, but I never got it to do both. 
as anyone else successfully gotten chromevox to work?
Alternatively, is there a reliable Firefox Version that voiceover plays well 
with?
Thanks for any advice.

Michael Babcock
Your Blind Digital Marketing Partner
@payown on periscope and twitter.
http://yourownpay.com/ 






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Re: To Scott from Mark: Off-List: RE: MODERATOR REQUEST: iPhone 6S?

2015-09-15 Thread Kawal Gucukoglu

May be this list has become over moderated if there is such a word.  I 
remember, once we were not permitted to discuss Windows and that was a one day 
wonder.  Will this be?
On 15 Sep 2015, at 21:07, Phil Halton  wrote:

OK, I guess that means that in Mark's official judgment any discussion of iOS 
TV OS or Apple Watch is forbidden, h!
Just keeps getting stranger and stranger.
Sent from my IPhone


On Sep 15, 2015, at 2:15 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:

> I thought the rest of the list would be interested in this response from Mark 
> sent off list but I think he should have responded on list.
> 
> Obviously he has no interest in what we the users have requested.  Any idiot 
> knows that the Apple environment is an ecosystem of devices and software as 
> well as content.  The Mac is a part, the iPhone is a part, pad still another. 
>  So instead of having one logical place to discuss the entire ecosystem your 
> moderator wants to have super fragmentation and then stifle conversations 
> that don’t deal with the Mac specifically.  We know the VIPhone list is over 
> run with garbage messages and badly moderated.  As several stated they wanted 
> a place here to discuss the entire Apple product line and also presented was 
> this list predates any others and as such previously was a clearinghouse for 
> all things Apple not just Mac.  I will of course comply by leaving the list 
> as I have no interest in subscribing to yet more lists and I hope his power 
> trip was satisfying.  Mark, your users don’t want this so why enforce 
> something that doesn’t make sense and doesn’t meet the needs of the many 
> users who have spoken up?
> 
> Enjoy!
> 
>  
> 
> 
>> Begin forwarded message:
>> 
>> From: "M. Taylor" 
>> Subject: To Scott from Mark: Off-List: RE: MODERATOR REQUEST: iPhone 6S?
>> Date: September 15, 2015 at 2:09:33 PM EDT
>> To: 
>> Reply-To: 
>> 
>> Hello Scott,
>> 
>> As stated in the subject, I am replying to you, off-list.  I would have 
>> appreciated the same courtesy.
>> 
>> While I appreciate your sentiment on this, the bottom line is that this list 
>> is dedicated to Mac OSX products and services only.  
>> 
>> So I ask you to please respect this policy and close this thread.
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 6:02 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: MODERATOR REQUEST: iPhone 6S?
>> 
>> This is bogus.
>> 
>> I absolutely ask you to reconsider.  Apple devices should be on topic.  Non 
>> apple devices should be on topic as long as the topic involves 
>> interoperation with Apple devices or comparisons of Apple devices to that 
>> product.
>> 
>> This list should allow the watch as well and support all Apple products.  
>> There may be an iPhone list and that’s all well and good but a lot of us 
>> don’t want to bother with more than one list
>> 
>> On Sep 15, 2015, at 4:15 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Everyone,
>> 
>> As this is not an iOS forum, I ask that this topic be taken off-list.
>> 
>> Thank you for understanding.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
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Re: What to include and exclude on this list?

I can't see anything that precludes you're asking about OS X on this list. All 
you have to do is ask your question and sit back and wait for the answers to 
flood in. Just because others have questions about I was devices doesn't cause 
you any harm or discomfort. Allow others to do as we have always done and use 
this list in a more democratic and open way.

Sent from my IPhone


> On Sep 15, 2015, at 2:29 PM, Christina C.  wrote:
> 
> I am in the minority here but I would prefer that posts to this list would be 
> mac related only. There is a list for iDevices. I like to come to the 
> MacVisionaries list when I have questions or want to learn about the Mac. I 
> do believe that if the discussion includes the phone but is still related to 
> the mac than it is OK in my book. For example, if someone has a question on 
> how to eject their iPhone from iTunes, or how to perform an encrypted backup 
> of their iPad in iTunes, or even, how do I get my pictures off of my iPhone 
> and onto my Mac. I realize this could be a gray area but I would personally 
> still prefer that the macVisionaries list would keep the topics tethered to 
> the Mac and it’s operating system.It’s really not that different than 
> discussing windows and VMWare fusion as it relates to the Mac. However, it 
> would be inappropriate for a discussion to occur how to use Open Book in 
> windows.
> 
> Now, where would the appleTV fit in? I don’t know, would that be for the 
> iPhone discussion list since it is more closely related to the iOS operating 
> system? The apple TV is definitely not a Mac though.
> 
> Christina
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Re: Numbers question: selecting entire columns or rows

2015-09-15 Thread Andrew Lamanche

Grant,

I’ve just tried this and it would appear that you can use command+shift+up or 
down arrow to select to the beginning or end of column depending where you are 
in eh column to select all the cells.  To select an entire row, use 
command+shift+right or left arrow key.

Hope this helps.

Andrew
> On 15 Sep 2015, at 20:55, Grant  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> My apologies for not including a subject line in the message I just sent 
> regarding Numbers. Please see that same message below but with a proper 
> subject line. This was not intentional!
> 
> Forgive me if I have asked this question before, but is there any way to 
> select an entire row or column in Numbers using VoiceOver without AppleScript?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Grant
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Re: MODERATOR REQUEST, UPDATE

I can't ever remember a time where this list was solely devoted to OS X and 
discussion of other OSS iOS etc. was excluded. I have seen that with the 
MacAccess list and that has gone the way of the dinosaur. I vote that we allow 
all Apple discussion to continue.

Sent from my IPhone


> On Sep 15, 2015, at 2:50 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> As was just posted to the list, I would have greatly appreciated objections
> to my previous request be sent off-list as I think that is the most
> courteous.  
> 
> Let me make it clear that there is no power trip going on here.
> 
> In fact, although I sent an off-list request to a list member asking to
> respect the current policy, I did so while I was conversing with the list
> owner to confirm the fact that the list members appreciate having this
> community to discuss all Apple products.  
> 
> Like you, I enjoy having one place to discuss multiple products.  
> 
> Please know that my only goal was to maintain the integrity of the list.  
> 
> If everyone agrees that this is what they want, then so be it.  
> 
> However, I must confirm this with the list owner so please be patient and
> know that I am here to serve, not dictate, okay?  
> 
> Mark
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Re: To Scott from Mark: Off-List: RE: MODERATOR REQUEST: iPhone 6S?

OK, I guess that means that in Mark's official judgment any discussion of iOS 
TV OS or Apple Watch is forbidden, h!
Just keeps getting stranger and stranger.
Sent from my IPhone


> On Sep 15, 2015, at 2:15 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> I thought the rest of the list would be interested in this response from Mark 
> sent off list but I think he should have responded on list.
> 
> Obviously he has no interest in what we the users have requested.  Any idiot 
> knows that the Apple environment is an ecosystem of devices and software as 
> well as content.  The Mac is a part, the iPhone is a part, pad still another. 
>  So instead of having one logical place to discuss the entire ecosystem your 
> moderator wants to have super fragmentation and then stifle conversations 
> that don’t deal with the Mac specifically.  We know the VIPhone list is over 
> run with garbage messages and badly moderated.  As several stated they wanted 
> a place here to discuss the entire Apple product line and also presented was 
> this list predates any others and as such previously was a clearinghouse for 
> all things Apple not just Mac.  I will of course comply by leaving the list 
> as I have no interest in subscribing to yet more lists and I hope his power 
> trip was satisfying.  Mark, your users don’t want this so why enforce 
> something that doesn’t make sense and doesn’t meet the needs of the many 
> users who have spoken up?
> 
> Enjoy!
> 
>  
> 
> 
>> Begin forwarded message:
>> 
>> From: "M. Taylor" 
>> Subject: To Scott from Mark: Off-List: RE: MODERATOR REQUEST: iPhone 6S?
>> Date: September 15, 2015 at 2:09:33 PM EDT
>> To: 
>> Reply-To: 
>> 
>> Hello Scott,
>> 
>> As stated in the subject, I am replying to you, off-list.  I would have 
>> appreciated the same courtesy.
>> 
>> While I appreciate your sentiment on this, the bottom line is that this list 
>> is dedicated to Mac OSX products and services only.  
>> 
>> So I ask you to please respect this policy and close this thread.
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 6:02 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: MODERATOR REQUEST: iPhone 6S?
>> 
>> This is bogus.
>> 
>> I absolutely ask you to reconsider.  Apple devices should be on topic.  Non 
>> apple devices should be on topic as long as the topic involves 
>> interoperation with Apple devices or comparisons of Apple devices to that 
>> product.
>> 
>> This list should allow the watch as well and support all Apple products.  
>> There may be an iPhone list and that’s all well and good but a lot of us 
>> don’t want to bother with more than one list
>> 
>> On Sep 15, 2015, at 4:15 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Everyone,
>> 
>> As this is not an iOS forum, I ask that this topic be taken off-list.
>> 
>> Thank you for understanding.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
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Re: To Scott from Mark: Off-List: RE: MODERATOR REQUEST: iPhone 6S?

2015-09-15 Thread Kawal Gucukoglu

Well Scott.

Coming late to this, I for one want to discuss IoS on one list like you.  If I 
can't I might as well unsubscribe although I like this list so those of you who 
want one list should speak up and vote with your keyboard that we want one list 
to discuss all Apple products.
On 15 Sep 2015, at 19:15, Scott Granados  wrote:

I thought the rest of the list would be interested in this response from Mark 
sent off list but I think he should have responded on list.

Obviously he has no interest in what we the users have requested.  Any idiot 
knows that the Apple environment is an ecosystem of devices and software as 
well as content.  The Mac is a part, the iPhone is a part, pad still another.  
So instead of having one logical place to discuss the entire ecosystem your 
moderator wants to have super fragmentation and then stifle conversations that 
don’t deal with the Mac specifically.  We know the VIPhone list is over run 
with garbage messages and badly moderated.  As several stated they wanted a 
place here to discuss the entire Apple product line and also presented was this 
list predates any others and as such previously was a clearinghouse for all 
things Apple not just Mac.  I will of course comply by leaving the list as I 
have no interest in subscribing to yet more lists and I hope his power trip was 
satisfying.  Mark, your users don’t want this so why enforce something that 
doesn’t make sense and doesn’t meet the needs of the many users who have spoken 
up?

Enjoy!

> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: "M. Taylor" 
> Subject: To Scott from Mark: Off-List: RE: MODERATOR REQUEST: iPhone 6S?
> Date: September 15, 2015 at 2:09:33 PM EDT
> To: 
> Reply-To: 
> 
> Hello Scott,
> 
> As stated in the subject, I am replying to you, off-list.  I would have 
> appreciated the same courtesy.
> 
> While I appreciate your sentiment on this, the bottom line is that this list 
> is dedicated to Mac OSX products and services only.  
> 
> So I ask you to please respect this policy and close this thread.
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Mark
> 
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 6:02 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: MODERATOR REQUEST: iPhone 6S?
> 
> This is bogus.
> 
> I absolutely ask you to reconsider.  Apple devices should be on topic.  Non 
> apple devices should be on topic as long as the topic involves interoperation 
> with Apple devices or comparisons of Apple devices to that product.
> 
> This list should allow the watch as well and support all Apple products.  
> There may be an iPhone list and that’s all well and good but a lot of us 
> don’t want to bother with more than one list
> 
> On Sep 15, 2015, at 4:15 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> As this is not an iOS forum, I ask that this topic be taken off-list.
> 
> Thank you for understanding.
> 
> Mark
> 
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Re: goodbye macvisionaries

Well, I am not sure but I think I've been insulted! My friend I think you're 
going to have to start your own such list. I mean, after all, look who you're 
asking for advice and direction. Very same people you think are fools adios my 
friend good luck bye

Sent from my IPhone


> On Sep 15, 2015, at 3:15 PM, Yuma Decaux  wrote:
> 
> Considering the kind of polemics this list is going through, and that I 
> haven’t seen one topic of which I am not aware of being an older mac os/ios 
> user, I think it is time to shut my subscription from this list and look for 
> a more adapted list which tries to advance the ideas of technology, and voice 
> over in particular. May someone point me to a list which basically does not 
> discuss so much about how to click this icon or make this boot drive work 
> with that OS but rather a more creative output of ideas, developer topics and 
> other subjecst that may appeal more to computer scientists, programmers and 
> other creative heads? I know of some list that goes in this line, but I am 
> looking for a place where everyone, or a large majority is a blind apple 
> developer, programmer or tech industrial who uses xcode or can enter a more 
> intellectually stimulating line of topics to help me understand better what 
> blind/visually impaired users are looking for in apps, technologies such as 
> A.I, machine learning as applied to apps or even conceptual discussions for 
> sonificating apps for games and interactive media? Or does such a list exist?
> 
> In any case, I hope this list will clean up a bit as now it has become a 
> large boudoir of everyone throwing in their opinion on every topic, which has 
> become very tedious and superfluous at this point. I am not pointing fingers 
> at anyone in particular, but hope that as a group, this list will start 
> putting more emphasis on what matters. Action is much more respectable than 
> politics and competing to have the most score in giving technical advice or 
> saying what you think. I have noticed one very important difference between 
> sighted and visually impaired users. The former are inundated with visual 
> advertising and therefore know how to filter out the superfluous. As a blind 
> programmer, I live in a world almost devoid of any ads save youtube, and 
> therefore am much aware of the superfluous. So I preffer filtering it out 
> rather than sticking to some strange illusion of grandeur over being in some 
> list where everyone is cackering over everything. In some ways, this is 
> counter productive as it is hours and hours of writing back and forth, every 
> day. Think about it. It has no utility and no intrinsic value.
> 
> But people get addicted to it, just like anything else in the world. I’d 
> rather get addicted to producing music, apps, creating technologies and being 
> outdoors camping, going to festivals, socialising, dining and doing sports 
> than being addicted to responding to tech help requests.
> 
> In any case, take care of yourselves everyone.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Numbers question: selecting entire columns or rows

2015-09-15 Thread Grant

Hi all,

My apologies for not including a subject line in the message I just sent 
regarding Numbers. Please see that same message below but with a proper subject 
line. This was not intentional!

Forgive me if I have asked this question before, but is there any way to select 
an entire row or column in Numbers using VoiceOver without AppleScript?

Thanks,

Grant

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Re: But do not products work together? is Mod's request.

2015-09-15 Thread Kawal Gucukoglu

I don't have time for multiple lists so I agree with Scott, all Apple devices 
should be allowed onthese lists as Apple are releasing many products that work 
with the I phone so Scott, you have my vote.

Kawal.
On 15 Sep 2015, at 14:18, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

Hi folks,
granted I am far from expert, but my feeling has been that in theory the idea 
of having more than one Apple product, i.e. a mac and an ios device, is to use 
them at least in some way together.
Apple hopes you will do this by requiring? some features, an apple id for 
example, to make full use of functions.
so why cannot the list benefit from  discussions of both platforms?
Which is an Apple tv by definition, an ios device or an os x one?  See what I 
mean?
You might use our Apple tv to watch things on your monitor perhaps?
Just my curiosity about a line that might not really exist anymore?
Karen

On Tue, 15 Sep 2015, Scott Granados wrote:

> This is bogus.
> 
> I absolutely ask you to reconsider.  Apple devices should be on topic.  Non 
> apple devices should be on topic as long as the topic involves interoperation 
> with Apple devices or comparisons of Apple devices to that product.
> 
> This list should allow the watch as well and support all Apple products.  
> There may be an iPhone list and that’s all well and good but a lot of us 
> don’t want to bother with more than one list
> 
>> On Sep 15, 2015, at 4:15 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Everyone,
>> 
>> As this is not an iOS forum, I ask that this topic be taken off-list.
>> 
>> Thank you for understanding.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
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2015-09-15 Thread Grant

Forgive me if I have asked this question before, but is there any way to select 
an entire row or column in Numbers using VoiceOver without AppleScript?

Thanks,

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goodbye macvisionaries

2015-09-15 Thread Yuma Decaux

Considering the kind of polemics this list is going through, and that I haven’t 
seen one topic of which I am not aware of being an older mac os/ios user, I 
think it is time to shut my subscription from this list and look for a more 
adapted list which tries to advance the ideas of technology, and voice over in 
particular. May someone point me to a list which basically does not discuss so 
much about how to click this icon or make this boot drive work with that OS but 
rather a more creative output of ideas, developer topics and other subjecst 
that may appeal more to computer scientists, programmers and other creative 
heads? I know of some list that goes in this line, but I am looking for a place 
where everyone, or a large majority is a blind apple developer, programmer or 
tech industrial who uses xcode or can enter a more intellectually stimulating 
line of topics to help me understand better what blind/visually impaired users 
are looking for in apps, technologies such as A.I, machine learning as applied 
to apps or even conceptual discussions for sonificating apps for games and 
interactive media? Or does such a list exist?

In any case, I hope this list will clean up a bit as now it has become a large 
boudoir of everyone throwing in their opinion on every topic, which has become 
very tedious and superfluous at this point. I am not pointing fingers at anyone 
in particular, but hope that as a group, this list will start putting more 
emphasis on what matters. Action is much more respectable than politics and 
competing to have the most score in giving technical advice or saying what you 
think. I have noticed one very important difference between sighted and 
visually impaired users. The former are inundated with visual advertising and 
therefore know how to filter out the superfluous. As a blind programmer, I live 
in a world almost devoid of any ads save youtube, and therefore am much aware 
of the superfluous. So I preffer filtering it out rather than sticking to some 
strange illusion of grandeur over being in some list where everyone is 
cackering over everything. In some ways, this is counter productive as it is 
hours and hours of writing back and forth, every day. Think about it. It has no 
utility and no intrinsic value.

But people get addicted to it, just like anything else in the world. I’d rather 
get addicted to producing music, apps, creating technologies and being outdoors 
camping, going to festivals, socialising, dining and doing sports than being 
addicted to responding to tech help requests.

In any case, take care of yourselves everyone.








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Re: MODERATOR REQUEST, UPDATE

2015-09-15 Thread Wayne Merritt

I like having separate lists for the Mac and for iPhone. If I have a
Mac question I come here, and if I have an iOS question I go to
ViPhone. Thanks to labels and filters in the web-based Gmail page, it
is easy for me to keep track of these lists. I realize that others may
have other wishes, but to me it makes sense for a mac focused list to
deal with only Mac related questions. Besides, if the Mac focused list
expands to cover all Apple products, it seems like a challenge to
drill down if you are looking for answers to a specific question for a
specific Apple product. Finally, not to bring up recent list history,
but if people want a list for all Apple products then create one. It
seems like someone did jjust that not too long ago.

JMT,
Wayne

On 9/15/15, M. Taylor  wrote:
> Hello Everyone,
>
> As was just posted to the list, I would have greatly appreciated objections
> to my previous request be sent off-list as I think that is the most
> courteous.
>
> Let me make it clear that there is no power trip going on here.
>
> In fact, although I sent an off-list request to a list member asking to
> respect the current policy, I did so while I was conversing with the list
> owner to confirm the fact that the list members appreciate having this
> community to discuss all Apple products.
>
> Like you, I enjoy having one place to discuss multiple products.
>
> Please know that my only goal was to maintain the integrity of the list.
>
> If everyone agrees that this is what they want, then so be it.
>
> However, I must confirm this with the list owner so please be patient and
> know that I am here to serve, not dictate, okay?
>
> Mark
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Re: MODERATOR REQUEST: iPhone 6S?

2015-09-15 Thread Krister Ekstrom

Hi,
Maybe it’s about time to rid us of the Macvisionaries and Viphone lists 
alltogether and merge them into one list and call it something like ”all things 
Apple”, since iDevices and Macs and maybe even Apple Tv and definitely 
AppleWatch are part of one whole thing namely the Apple echo system.
/Krister

> 15 sep. 2015 kl. 20:39 skrev David Tanner :
> 
> Perhaps the AppleVis list might be more open to discussion of all Apple 
> products.
> 
> Clearly the mod of this list is determined to rid the list of iOS altogether. 
> 
> David Tanner
> 
> From my iPhone 6 
> 
> On Sep 15, 2015, at 11:53 AM, Donna Goodin  > wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I'd just like to add my +1 here.  these products are so interconnected that 
>> to limit the list in that way would make for a much less useful list.
>> Best,
>> Donna
>>> On Sep 15, 2015, at 8:11 AM, Tim Kilburn >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Mark,
>>> 
>>> I respectfully disagree.  It has been stated in the past that 
>>> MacVisionaries is an "Everything Apple" list where we can discuss just 
>>> that, MacOS, iOS, Apple hardware etc.  As the line between the MacOS, the 
>>> iOS and its related hardware continually fades, I feel that it is very 
>>> beneficial to be able to discuss a wider range of Apple hardware/software 
>>> as it relates to accessibility on this list.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Sep 15, 2015, at 02:15, M. Taylor >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Everyone,
>>> 
>>> As this is not an iOS forum, I ask that this topic be taken off-list.
>>> 
>>> Thank you for understanding.
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
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Re: MODERATOR REQUEST: iPhone 6S?

2015-09-15 Thread sadam . lists

Apples products and services are all interconnected. 

To limit the discussion to Mac OS X would be very shortsighted. 

Just my two cents. 

Kind regards, 

Sadam Ahmed 

Sent from my iPhone 

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> Perhaps the AppleVis list might be more open to discussion of all Apple 
> products.
> 
> Clearly the mod of this list is determined to rid the list of iOS altogether. 
> 
> David Tanner
> 
> From my iPhone 6 
> 
>> On Sep 15, 2015, at 11:53 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I'd just like to add my +1 here.  these products are so interconnected that 
>> to limit the list in that way would make for a much less useful list.
>> Best,
>> Donna
>>> On Sep 15, 2015, at 8:11 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Mark,
>>> 
>>> I respectfully disagree.  It has been stated in the past that 
>>> MacVisionaries is an "Everything Apple" list where we can discuss just 
>>> that, MacOS, iOS, Apple hardware etc.  As the line between the MacOS, the 
>>> iOS and its related hardware continually fades, I feel that it is very 
>>> beneficial to be able to discuss a wider range of Apple hardware/software 
>>> as it relates to accessibility on this list.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Sep 15, 2015, at 02:15, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Everyone,
>>> 
>>> As this is not an iOS forum, I ask that this topic be taken off-list.
>>> 
>>> Thank you for understanding.
>>> 
>>> Mark
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MODERATOR REQUEST, UPDATE

2015-09-15 Thread M. Taylor

Hello Everyone,

As was just posted to the list, I would have greatly appreciated objections
to my previous request be sent off-list as I think that is the most
courteous.  

Let me make it clear that there is no power trip going on here.

In fact, although I sent an off-list request to a list member asking to
respect the current policy, I did so while I was conversing with the list
owner to confirm the fact that the list members appreciate having this
community to discuss all Apple products.  

Like you, I enjoy having one place to discuss multiple products.  

Please know that my only goal was to maintain the integrity of the list.  

If everyone agrees that this is what they want, then so be it.  

However, I must confirm this with the list owner so please be patient and
know that I am here to serve, not dictate, okay?  

Mark

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Re: MODERATOR REQUEST: iPhone 6S?

2015-09-15 Thread David Tanner

That's one of the things I like about this list. There's always someone with a 
hateful comment to make towards other users of the list. Maybe you should be 
disciplined.

David Tanner

>From my iPhone 6 

> On Sep 15, 2015, at 10:02 AM, george b  wrote:
> 
> Ok why don't you all sent this to him personally he gave you his email so we 
> do not have to read all this crap.  And yes can deleate, but non of you have 
> the respect to change the subject line, and yes I did not so you all who do 
> not change it see this
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 07:46
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: MODERATOR REQUEST: iPhone 6S?
> 
> Mark,
>Please keep in mind that this list was under moderated for a very 
> long time. Now its being over moderated.
> 
>There is also no published list guidelines. This can make your 
> rulings arbitrary. Not the best course to take.
> 
>Its impossible nowadays to separate OS X from iOS. Let's find middle 
> ground we can live with.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
>> On 9/15/2015 1:15 AM, M. Taylor wrote:
>> Hello Everyone,
>> 
>> As this is not an iOS forum, I ask that this topic be taken off-list.
>> 
>> Thank you for understanding.
>> 
>> Mark
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Re: chromevox and google chrome? or reliable firefox?

2015-09-15 Thread 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries

I've had that work more often than it should. You go into Safari
Preferences and then to the Advanced tab where you'll find a checkbox at
the very end that says Show Develop menu in menu bar. Turn that on and
you'll find the new Develop menu to the right of Bookmarks. In that
Develop menu, the second item is User Agent and the sub-menu lets you
tell Safari to lie about what kind of browser it is. So it can pretend
to be Firefox, Chrome, IE etc. When a browser connects to a web server
to request a web page, that request includes a User Agent String which
basically says what kind of browser/version/OS you are running on. This
menu lets you change what your browser says it is. It makes no other
changes to how your browser behaves. For unknown reasons some sites will
reject enabling certain features and such based on this identifier. This
sometimes shows up as Safari getting kicked in the shins for no
particular reason. The more correct method is to detect capabilities but
the lazy way is to "Support IE" or "Support Chrome" and lump all other
browser in the worthless bucket. Amazon has had this problem for years
with some of their product videos refusing to play on Safari unless you
do the user agent string hack.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/forums/ref=pe_1786770_135346380_cs_hc_g_notf_see_post?ie=UTF8&forumID=Fx1SKFFP8U1B6N5&cdThread=Tx3UG147QECYD95

On 9/15/15 12:43 PM, Michael Babcock wrote:
Thanks I appreciate that information. Right now because of the service
that I'm using I simply switch over to windows ten on boot camp and
access the site from Firefox that way, and am experimenting with using
fusion to access windows at this time, but unfortunately this site is
something I use for my daily marketing efforts and it does simply not
work with safari. though I wonder if I enable the develop menu, and
change the user agent to Google Chrome, if that would allow it to
work. you've given me something to think about and I appreciate it.

Michael Babcock
Your Blind Digital Marketing Partner.
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On Sep 15, 2015, at 9:41 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
> wrote:

Best version of Firefox is the latest version. It's been getting
better but I still keep going back to Safari. I haven't had a need to
use Chrome all that much.

On 9/15/15 12:37 PM, Michael Babcock wrote:

Good Day:
I hope this message finds each and everyone of you well!
I'm writing as I've got a quick question related to Google Chrome.
Some of the services I use are not supported with Safari, and it is
recommended that I use Google Chrome for the services.
I found that voiceover was not reliable with Google Chrome, and
Learned that the reason was because I did not install the chromevox
plugin, so I went ahead and installed.
I then disabled voiceover and was attempting to go through the
interactive tutorial found here:

http://www.chromevox.com/tutorial/index.html
However two things occurred that I think some feedback on.
Number one, for some reason the"bubbles" voice was being used even
though I think my system default voices Alex but as I write this
message I'm not 100% sure. Do you know where i might be able to
verify this?
Secondly and in my personal opinion more important, as i can deal
With the "bubbles" voice though it's not ideal, as I was going
through the tutorial referenced above I was instructed to use the
control and Command key as modifiers for chromevox, and was
instructed to locate these keys. When I press the control key as
instructed, I was congratulated and told that I had found the
correct key. Then when I press the command key, again I was
congratulated and told that I had found the correct key. However,
the next step was to press the control and command key at the same
time, but I never got it to do both. as anyone else successfully
gotten chromevox to work?
Alternatively, is there a reliable Firefox Version that voiceover
plays well with?

Thanks for any advice.

Michael Babcock
Your Blind Digital Marketing Partner
@payown on periscope and twitter.
http://yourownpay.com/

Michael Babcock
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Re: MODERATOR REQUEST: iPhone 6S?

2015-09-15 Thread David Tanner

Perhaps the AppleVis list might be more open to discussion of all Apple 
products.

Clearly the mod of this list is determined to rid the list of iOS altogether. 

David Tanner

>From my iPhone 6 

> On Sep 15, 2015, at 11:53 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I'd just like to add my +1 here.  these products are so interconnected that 
> to limit the list in that way would make for a much less useful list.
> Best,
> Donna
>> On Sep 15, 2015, at 8:11 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Mark,
>> 
>> I respectfully disagree.  It has been stated in the past that MacVisionaries 
>> is an "Everything Apple" list where we can discuss just that, MacOS, iOS, 
>> Apple hardware etc.  As the line between the MacOS, the iOS and its related 
>> hardware continually fades, I feel that it is very beneficial to be able to 
>> discuss a wider range of Apple hardware/software as it relates to 
>> accessibility on this list.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Sep 15, 2015, at 02:15, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Everyone,
>> 
>> As this is not an iOS forum, I ask that this topic be taken off-list.
>> 
>> Thank you for understanding.
>> 
>> Mark
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Re: What to include and exclude on this list?

2015-09-15 Thread Christina C.

I am in the minority here but I would prefer that posts to this list would be 
mac related only. There is a list for iDevices. I like to come to the 
MacVisionaries list when I have questions or want to learn about the Mac. I do 
believe that if the discussion includes the phone but is still related to the 
mac than it is OK in my book. For example, if someone has a question on how to 
eject their iPhone from iTunes, or how to perform an encrypted backup of their 
iPad in iTunes, or even, how do I get my pictures off of my iPhone and onto my 
Mac. I realize this could be a gray area but I would personally still prefer 
that the macVisionaries list would keep the topics tethered to the Mac and it’s 
operating system.It’s really not that different than discussing windows and 
VMWare fusion as it relates to the Mac. However, it would be inappropriate for 
a discussion to occur how to use Open Book in windows.

Now, where would the appleTV fit in? I don’t know, would that be for the iPhone 
discussion list since it is more closely related to the iOS operating system? 
The apple TV is definitely not a Mac though.

Christina

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Fwd: To Scott from Mark: Off-List: RE: MODERATOR REQUEST: iPhone 6S?

I thought the rest of the list would be interested in this response from Mark 
sent off list but I think he should have responded on list.

Obviously he has no interest in what we the users have requested.  Any idiot 
knows that the Apple environment is an ecosystem of devices and software as 
well as content.  The Mac is a part, the iPhone is a part, pad still another.  
So instead of having one logical place to discuss the entire ecosystem your 
moderator wants to have super fragmentation and then stifle conversations that 
don’t deal with the Mac specifically.  We know the VIPhone list is over run 
with garbage messages and badly moderated.  As several stated they wanted a 
place here to discuss the entire Apple product line and also presented was this 
list predates any others and as such previously was a clearinghouse for all 
things Apple not just Mac.  I will of course comply by leaving the list as I 
have no interest in subscribing to yet more lists and I hope his power trip was 
satisfying.  Mark, your users don’t want this so why enforce something that 
doesn’t make sense and doesn’t meet the needs of the many users who have spoken 
up?

Enjoy!

 


> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: "M. Taylor" 
> Subject: To Scott from Mark: Off-List: RE: MODERATOR REQUEST: iPhone 6S?
> Date: September 15, 2015 at 2:09:33 PM EDT
> To: 
> Reply-To: 
> 
> Hello Scott,
> 
> As stated in the subject, I am replying to you, off-list.  I would have 
> appreciated the same courtesy.
> 
> While I appreciate your sentiment on this, the bottom line is that this list 
> is dedicated to Mac OSX products and services only.  
> 
> So I ask you to please respect this policy and close this thread.
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Mark
> 
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 6:02 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: MODERATOR REQUEST: iPhone 6S?
> 
> This is bogus.
> 
> I absolutely ask you to reconsider.  Apple devices should be on topic.  Non 
> apple devices should be on topic as long as the topic involves interoperation 
> with Apple devices or comparisons of Apple devices to that product.
> 
> This list should allow the watch as well and support all Apple products.  
> There may be an iPhone list and that’s all well and good but a lot of us 
> don’t want to bother with more than one list
> 
> On Sep 15, 2015, at 4:15 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:
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> Hello Everyone,
> 
> As this is not an iOS forum, I ask that this topic be taken off-list.
> 
> Thank you for understanding.
> 
> Mark
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Re: VMWare Fusion

2015-09-15 Thread gbmagoo

You need to go to full window you from no default to you and then turn off 
windows on the menu bar and restart windows again

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 15, 2015, at 10:02, Marshall Scott  wrote:
> 
> Yes, I have Windows 7 installed along with JAWS.  I can get into Windows but 
> can't seem to stay there.  I'm not certain about how to get in and out of the 
> Windows 7 window.  Sorry I can't give you a better description of the problem.
> Thanks,
> Marshall
> 
>> On Sep 15, 2015, at 10:38 AM, george b  wrote:
>> 
>> Do you have windows installed on your v m machine?
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Marshall Scott
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 09:33
>> To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>> Subject: VMWare Fusion
>> 
>> Hi,
>> I'm trying to get VMWare Fusion 7 up and running under Yosemite.  I can't 
>> seem to get into the Windows 7 window.  I googled and found an article on 
>> AppleVis but it isn't helpful.  Any suggestions?
>> Thanks,
>> Marshall
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Re: Learning Pages for the Mac

2015-09-15 Thread Anne Robertson

Hello Craig,

You could do worse than to get the free iBook “Mastering the Macintosh” by Tim 
Sniffen.
This book approaches the Mac from the perspective of an iOS user, but it’s full 
of useful information. And, of course, it’s free!

Cheers,

Anne


> On 13 Sep 2015, at 21:54, Craig Werner  wrote:
> 
> Hello, everyone.
> 
> I am about to start learning Pages for the Mac. For now, I seek only a basic 
> understanding: creating a document; changing type styles; finding and 
> replacing text; writing a basic header, etc. Can anyone recommend articles or 
> podcasts that might be helpful? Even supplying general information as to 
> where these resources are will suffice. I don't expect anyone to go searching 
> for specific links.
> 
> Thanks for all help.
> 
> Craig
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Re: MODERATOR REQUEST: iPhone 6S?

George,

I don't see any reason why anyone should have changed the Subject line here as 
our messages are directly related to the original post.  Yes, we could have 
posted directly to Mark, but it was a conscious decision to post our opinions 
to the group as, at least in my case, I felt that it would encourage others to 
express their opinions on the Moderator note.

Also, I really don't appreciate the tone expressed in your note.  Each of us 
directed our comments at the decision, not at the person or people who made it. 
 The only disrespectful post in the lot came from yourself.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 15, 2015, at 09:02, george b  wrote:

Ok why don't you all sent this to him personally he gave you his email so we do 
not have to read all this crap.  And yes can deleate, but non of you have the 
respect to change the subject line, and yes I did not so you all who do not 
change it see this

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of E.T.
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 07:46
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: MODERATOR REQUEST: iPhone 6S?

Mark,
   Please keep in mind that this list was under moderated for a very 
long time. Now its being over moderated.

   There is also no published list guidelines. This can make your 
rulings arbitrary. Not the best course to take.

   Its impossible nowadays to separate OS X from iOS. Let's find middle 
ground we can live with.

>From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 9/15/2015 1:15 AM, M. Taylor wrote:
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> As this is not an iOS forum, I ask that this topic be taken off-list.
> 
> Thank you for understanding.
> 
> Mark
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What to include and exclude on this list?

2015-09-15 Thread eileen . misrahi

So!!!George, I have changed the thread to reflect the discussion more 
accurately. Can you tell me which list I would need to post to if I had a hands 
off question which uses both the Mac and iOS device? I agree with Tim and Donna 
that the Apple eco system intertwines with all platforms and to exclude one 
would undermine  the posts on this list. I hope Mark you will reconsider not to 
exclude iOS appropriate inquiries. Thanks.

Best,
Eileen


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Re: VMWare Fusion

2015-09-15 Thread Marshall Scott

Yes, I have Windows 7 installed along with JAWS.  I can get into Windows but 
can't seem to stay there.  I'm not certain about how to get in and out of the 
Windows 7 window.  Sorry I can't give you a better description of the problem.
Thanks,
Marshall

> On Sep 15, 2015, at 10:38 AM, george b  wrote:
> 
> Do you have windows installed on your v m machine?
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Marshall Scott
> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 09:33
> To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
> Subject: VMWare Fusion
> 
> Hi,
> I'm trying to get VMWare Fusion 7 up and running under Yosemite.  I can't 
> seem to get into the Windows 7 window.  I googled and found an article on 
> AppleVis but it isn't helpful.  Any suggestions?
> Thanks,
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Re: MODERATOR REQUEST: iPhone 6S?

2015-09-15 Thread Donna Goodin

Hi all,

I'd just like to add my +1 here.  these products are so interconnected that to 
limit the list in that way would make for a much less useful list.
Best,
Donna
> On Sep 15, 2015, at 8:11 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
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> Hi Mark,
> 
> I respectfully disagree.  It has been stated in the past that MacVisionaries 
> is an "Everything Apple" list where we can discuss just that, MacOS, iOS, 
> Apple hardware etc.  As the line between the MacOS, the iOS and its related 
> hardware continually fades, I feel that it is very beneficial to be able to 
> discuss a wider range of Apple hardware/software as it relates to 
> accessibility on this list.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Sep 15, 2015, at 02:15, M. Taylor mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> As this is not an iOS forum, I ask that this topic be taken off-list.
> 
> Thank you for understanding.
> 
> Mark
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Re: chromevox and google chrome? or reliable firefox?

2015-09-15 Thread Michael Babcock

Thanks I appreciate that information. Right now because of the service that I'm 
using I simply switch over to windows ten on boot camp and access the site from 
Firefox that way, and am experimenting with using fusion to access windows at 
this time, but unfortunately this site is something I use for my daily 
marketing efforts and it does simply not work with safari. though I wonder if I 
enable the develop menu, and change the user agent to Google Chrome, if that 
would allow it to work. you've given me something to think about and I 
appreciate it.
Michael Babcock
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> On Sep 15, 2015, at 9:41 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Best version of Firefox is the latest version. It's been getting better but I 
> still keep going back to Safari. I haven't had a need to use Chrome all that 
> much.
> 
> CB
> 
> On 9/15/15 12:37 PM, Michael Babcock wrote:
>> Good Day:
>> I hope this message finds each and everyone of you well!
>> I'm writing as I've got a quick question related to Google Chrome.
>> Some of the services I use are not supported with Safari, and it is 
>> recommended that I use Google Chrome for the services.
>> I found that voiceover was not reliable with Google Chrome, and Learned that 
>> the reason was because I did not install the chromevox plugin, so I went 
>> ahead and installed.
>> I then disabled voiceover and was attempting to go through the interactive 
>> tutorial found here:
>> http://www.chromevox.com/tutorial/index.html 
>> 
>> However two things occurred that I think some feedback on.
>> Number one, for some reason the"bubbles" voice was being used even though I 
>> think my system default voices Alex but as I write this message I'm not 100% 
>> sure. Do you know where i might be able to verify this?
>> Secondly and in my personal opinion more important, as i can deal With the 
>> "bubbles" voice though it's not ideal, as I was going through the tutorial 
>> referenced above I was instructed to use the control and Command key as 
>> modifiers for chromevox, and was instructed to locate these keys. When I 
>> press the control key as instructed, I was congratulated and told that I had 
>> found the correct key. Then when I press the command key, again I 
>> was congratulated and told that I had found the correct key. However, the 
>> next step was to press the control and command  key at the same time, but I 
>> never got it to do both. as anyone else successfully gotten chromevox to 
>> work?
>> Alternatively, is there a reliable Firefox Version that voiceover plays well 
>> with?
>> Thanks for any advice.
>> 
>> Michael Babcock
>> Your Blind Digital Marketing Partner
>> @payown on periscope and twitter.
>> http://yourownpay.com/ 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: chromevox and google chrome? or reliable firefox?

2015-09-15 Thread 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries

Best version of Firefox is the latest version. It's been getting better 
but I still keep going back to Safari. I haven't had a need to use 
Chrome all that much.


CB

On 9/15/15 12:37 PM, Michael Babcock wrote:

Good Day:
I hope this message finds each and everyone of you well!
I'm writing as I've got a quick question related to Google Chrome.
Some of the services I use are not supported with Safari, and it is 
recommended that I use Google Chrome for the services.
I found that voiceover was not reliable with Google Chrome, and 
Learned that the reason was because I did not install the chromevox 
plugin, so I went ahead and installed.
I then disabled voiceover and was attempting to go through the 
interactive tutorial found here:

http://www.chromevox.com/tutorial/index.html
However two things occurred that I think some feedback on.
Number one, for some reason the"bubbles" voice was being used even 
though I think my system default voices Alex but as I write this 
message I'm not 100% sure. Do you know where i might be able to verify 
this?
Secondly and in my personal opinion more important, as i can deal With 
the "bubbles" voice though it's not ideal, as I was going through the 
tutorial referenced above I was instructed to use the control and 
Command key as modifiers for chromevox, and was instructed to locate 
these keys. When I press the control key as instructed, I was 
congratulated and told that I had found the correct key. Then when I 
press the command key, again I was congratulated and told that I had 
found the correct key. However, the next step was to press the control 
and command  key at the same time, but I never got it to do both. as 
anyone else successfully gotten chromevox to work?
Alternatively, is there a reliable Firefox Version that voiceover 
plays well with?

Thanks for any advice.

Michael Babcock
Your Blind Digital Marketing Partner
@payown on periscope and twitter.
http://yourownpay.com/






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RE: VMWare Fusion

Do you have windows installed on your v m machine?

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Marshall Scott
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 09:33
To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: VMWare Fusion

Hi,
I'm trying to get VMWare Fusion 7 up and running under Yosemite.  I can't seem 
to get into the Windows 7 window.  I googled and found an article on AppleVis 
but it isn't helpful.  Any suggestions?
Thanks,
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chromevox and google chrome? or reliable firefox?

2015-09-15 Thread Michael Babcock

Good Day:
I hope this message finds each and everyone of you well!
I'm writing as I've got a quick question related to Google Chrome.
Some of the services I use are not supported with Safari, and it is recommended 
that I use Google Chrome for the services.
I found that voiceover was not reliable with Google Chrome, and Learned that 
the reason was because I did not install the chromevox plugin, so I went ahead 
and installed.
I then disabled voiceover and was attempting to go through the interactive 
tutorial found here:
http://www.chromevox.com/tutorial/index.html 

However two things occurred that I think some feedback on.
Number one, for some reason the"bubbles" voice was being used even though I 
think my system default voices Alex but as I write this message I'm not 100% 
sure. Do you know where i might be able to verify this?
Secondly and in my personal opinion more important, as i can deal With the 
"bubbles" voice though it's not ideal, as I was going through the tutorial 
referenced above I was instructed to use the control and Command key as 
modifiers for chromevox, and was instructed to locate these keys. When I press 
the control key as instructed, I was congratulated and told that I had found 
the correct key. Then when I press the command key, again I was congratulated 
and told that I had found the correct key. However, the next step was to press 
the control and command  key at the same time, but I never got it to do both. 
as anyone else successfully gotten chromevox to work?
Alternatively, is there a reliable Firefox Version that voiceover plays well 
with?
Thanks for any advice.

Michael Babcock
Your Blind Digital Marketing Partner
@payown on periscope and twitter.
http://yourownpay.com/ 






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VMWare Fusion

2015-09-15 Thread Marshall Scott

Hi,
I'm trying to get VMWare Fusion 7 up and running under Yosemite.  I can't seem 
to get into the Windows 7 window.  I googled and found an article on AppleVis 
but it isn't helpful.  Any suggestions?
Thanks,
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Re: Apple keyboard on ubuntu system not writing correct characters.

2015-09-15 Thread Anders Holmberg

Hi!
Ok, will try that.
Thanks.
/A
> 15 sep. 2015 kl. 16:16 skrev 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
> :
> 
> On another mailing list they suggested doing Option+7 to type a pipe. I have 
> no way to check that as I'm on a US keyboard.
> 
> CB
> 
> On 9/15/15 7:05 AM, Anders Holmberg wrote:
>> Hi!
>> Maybe be.
>> I haven’t thought of that as i am so into swedish layout so i don’t know.
>> But i can absolutely try that.
>> Thanks in advance mate.
>> /A
>>> 14 sep. 2015 kl. 21:00 skrev Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>> :
>>> 
>>> I thought the virtical bar was shift backslash.
>>> 
>>> Chris
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - From: "Anders Holmberg" 
>>> To: "'Eleanor Roberts' via MacVisionaries" 
>>> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 2:51 PM
>>> Subject: Apple keyboard on ubuntu system not writing correct characters.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> I use an apple keyboard on my linux pc.
>>> I can not type some characters correctly in the cli and elswhere.
>>> How do i do a vertical bar on the apple keyboard.
>>> On my  pc keyboard i do alt gr and <.
>>> But this does not bring up the vertical bar it does bring up ≤ sign.
>>> /A
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RE: How to uninstall an app

Make sure you are not running the app

Now from the desktop / finder do a command shift a to go to the applications 
view

Now interact with the table of apps

Now arrow to the app you wish to remove

Do a control option shift m to open the contectuall menu

Arrow down to send to drash and hit control option  spacebar and it is in the 
trash

 

Now command w to close  the apps window

Now go to the finder menu at the top of the screen and arrow down to empty 
trash and follow the prompts after doing a control option spacebar to open the 
empty trash window.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of William Gallik
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 08:41
To: E-Mail Group MacVisionaries 
Subject: How to uninstall an app

 

Well folks, as an addendum to hi earlier post regarding checkbook HD, how do 
you get rid of an app once you've installed it on a mac mini?

 

 



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How to uninstall an app

2015-09-15 Thread William Gallik

Well folks, as an addendum to hi earlier post regarding checkbook HD, how do 
you get rid of an app once you've installed it on a mac mini?




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Re: question regarding Night Owl

2015-09-15 Thread Traci Duncan

Make sure quick nav is off, then the letter L should open up any links.

As a side note, on the menubar under tweets & timeline, you’ll find many useful 
keyboard shortcuts.

hth,
Traci

> On Sep 14, 2015, at 9:18 AM, May McDonald  wrote:
> 
> Press the letter l and if it is a link and not a picture it will open. 
> 
>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 12:15 PM, Laura Bratton  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> I use the Night Owl app for Twitter. How do I click on a link that someone 
>> has posted in their twitter post? When I am in the table going through all 
>> of the most recent post and want to go to a link that someone has provided, 
>> I cannot figure out how to do this. So any help would be great!
>> Thank you,
>> laura 
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Re: MODERATOR REQUEST: iPhone 6S?

2015-09-15 Thread Sabahattin Gucukoglu

Although I respect the wishes of the list owners (they are running the list, 
after all) it’s certainly true that I would prefer to discuss related Apple 
technology on this list and would prefer not to be on the ViPhone list.  Part 
of the reason, ironically, is the relevance of traffic: there are significantly 
more iOS users and therefore a significantly larger share of off-topic 
messages, even those that pertain to iOS, especially with such a broad range of 
third-party software on that platform.  Generalisation or not, the spirit 
brothers and sisters on this list make it substantially worth my while to check 
in every so often and participate because we generally share a lot in common, 
which includes discussion about up-and-coming products.  As long as I’m not 
spending most of my time deleting messages about accessories and apps I’ve 
never heard of, chances are good I’ll stay.

But it’s ultimately up to the list owners.  Whatever they say goes.  Anybody in 
significant disagreement can always go elsewhere, and I’ll probably find them 
out.

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RE: MODERATOR REQUEST: iPhone 6S?

Ok why don't you all sent this to him personally he gave you his email so we do 
not have to read all this crap.  And yes can deleate, but non of you have the 
respect to change the subject line, and yes I did not so you all who do not 
change it see this

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of E.T.
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 07:46
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: MODERATOR REQUEST: iPhone 6S?

Mark,
Please keep in mind that this list was under moderated for a very 
long time. Now its being over moderated.

There is also no published list guidelines. This can make your 
rulings arbitrary. Not the best course to take.

Its impossible nowadays to separate OS X from iOS. Let's find middle 
ground we can live with.

 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 9/15/2015 1:15 AM, M. Taylor wrote:
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Re: MODERATOR REQUEST: iPhone 6S?

Hi,

One final comment on this.  Emphasizing that this is not an iOS list narrows 
the discussion so much that it would exclude Apple TV questions, Apple Watch 
questions, as well as the iOS questions.  These are all part of the Apple 
Eco-System and interact in a manner that is meant to be inclusive.

Just my opinion of course, but, the lack of list moderation in the recent past 
focused on inappropriate expression within posts and the proliferation of 
inappropriate response messages that it caused.  I've actually enjoyed reading 
the insight and information relayed in this thread and have learned things.

I'll shut-up now.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 15, 2015, at 07:11, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

Hi Mark,

I respectfully disagree.  It has been stated in the past that MacVisionaries is 
an "Everything Apple" list where we can discuss just that, MacOS, iOS, Apple 
hardware etc.  As the line between the MacOS, the iOS and its related hardware 
continually fades, I feel that it is very beneficial to be able to discuss a 
wider range of Apple hardware/software as it relates to accessibility on this 
list.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

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Hello Everyone,

As this is not an iOS forum, I ask that this topic be taken off-list.

Thank you for understanding.

Mark

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Re: MODERATOR REQUEST: iPhone 6S?

2015-09-15 Thread E.T.


Mark,
   Please keep in mind that this list was under moderated for a very 
long time. Now its being over moderated.


   There is also no published list guidelines. This can make your 
rulings arbitrary. Not the best course to take.


   Its impossible nowadays to separate OS X from iOS. Let's find middle 
ground we can live with.


From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

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Hello Everyone,

As this is not an iOS forum, I ask that this topic be taken off-list.

Thank you for understanding.

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Re: MODERATOR REQUEST: iPhone 6S?

I also think that you need to reconsider this Mark. I own to OS X devices and 
one iPhone. The iPhone gets the lion share of my use. I don't want to have to 
change list simply for this arbitrary division of devices. I continually 
monitor and use this list because it allows for all devices and on discussion 
of all Apple products. It wasn't too long ago we were discussing the heck out 
of the watch. I didn't mind that then because it's an Apple product and I think 
that iPhones definitely belong on this list.

Sent from my IPhone


> On Sep 15, 2015, at 9:59 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Short version - Me too
> Longer version
> VoiceOver was introduced April 2005, 10 years ago, as part of OSX 10.4. 
> MacVisionaries, the mailing list, was set up around that same month, best as 
> I can tell. It started as a Mac-only list because it predates the 
> introduction of the iPhone (June 2007), not to mention VoiceOver on the 
> iPhone (June 2009). I've argued previously that the name is now a bit of an 
> anachronism. The iOS halo effect and Apple's heavy push to integrate OSX 
> machines with iOS devices are well known. There is also a very high 
> correlation between Mac and iOS users (although not as much the other 
> direction). It seems clear that discussions of Voiceover are going to 
> easily ebb and flow between iOS and OSX by design. To artificially bifurcate 
> conversations into two buckets seems like a work of futility as it goes 
> against the reality of the Apple ecosystem/marketplace/common use case and, 
> most importantly, would decrease the value of the list to its members.
> 
> My previous post in April on this topic is at the link below which argues 
> similar points:
> 
> https://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries%40googlegroups.com/msg120224.html
> 
> CB
> 
>> On 9/15/15 9:11 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>> Hi Mark,
>> 
>> I respectfully disagree.  It has been stated in the past that MacVisionaries 
>> is an "Everything Apple" list where we can discuss just that, MacOS, iOS, 
>> Apple hardware etc.  As the line between the MacOS, the iOS and its related 
>> hardware continually fades, I feel that it is very beneficial to be able to 
>> discuss a wider range of Apple hardware/software as it relates to 
>> accessibility on this list.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
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Re: urgent! Thorough and Good back up programs

2015-09-15 Thread 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries

There should always be an su or sudo command available, even if you are
root. To find out who you are logged in as you can do "whoami". The root
user account is turned off by default so maybe that is interfering with
what you're doing. If your account has admin rights, often times you can
do root-like things without actually being root.

On 9/15/15 3:07 AM, Eric Oyen wrote:

hmmm. thats weird. sudo is an integral part of the command line utilities
included with OS X. then again, I am not on the latest OS X (I am still stuck
in Lion until I can get a newer machine).

-eric

On Sep 14, 2015, at 5:07 PM, Joe Quinn wrote:

sorry to keep bringing this up, but I just tried to go into recovery mode to see what I could do to
fix the partitions, but, I can't do anything with GDISK, because there's no "sudo," or
"su" commands in this version of terminal. however, i didind that I was in root, oweing
to the # at the directory. also, typing GDISK at the prompt yeilds a not found message. any ideas
anyone?

On Sep 13, 2015, at 2:25 AM, Eric Oyen wrote:

yes.
you use the command dd thus: dd if=/Volumes/Media/backups/backup.img of=/dev/sda

that will write all information back to the new drive in exact bit for bit
order.

-eric

On Sep 12, 2015, at 10:46 PM, Joe Quinn wrote:

Then how do you restore it? Reverse it?

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 13, 2015, at 12:25 AM, Eric Oyen wrote:

well,
if you use dd and you set the input file to be the first device for the HDD in
/dev (the root device for the drive), then *everything* should be copied bit
for bit. No missing data, no corruptions. In this case, your root drive would
probably be /dev/sda (with 1 thru x being the partitions in order).

here is what I use to backup my system: dd if=/dev/sda
of=/Volumes/Media/backups/macHD.img

that copies the entirety of the primary boot drive (and all its partitions,
boot records, etc.) into a single contiguous file. no muss, no fuss. I have
room on my 2 TB external for at least 1 months worth of backups at one per
week. Considering that the boot drive is only 256 GB, it leaves me a lot of
room for other things (including storing backups of documents, installation
files, and my talking book library. Not too shabby, eh?

-eric

On Sep 12, 2015, at 5:09 PM, Joe Quinn wrote:

did i ask this before, i use dd, but then I'd still have same problem with the
corrupt partition issue, right? forgive the question if I asked it before.

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 12, 2015, at 9:14 AM, Eric Oyen wrote:

well, here is how the drive imaging works with Disk utility.

you can create a hard disk image, partition it and then copy the relevant files
to it. mind you, this is not exactly a clone. I haven't tried this particular
method myself, so I am not sure if it would work.

However, if you dd the entire device, all information (including boot record,
partition map, drive allocation tables, volume bitmaps and everything else is
preserved as a bit for bit image. with a large enough backup drive, you can
store the entire image as a single file. This is the method I use and it works
100% of the time. THe other method (creating a disk image using DU) will not
have the same results. you might miss some things like the MBR, partition
tables and a few other needed items. now, I use dd as a matter of course simply
because I don't have money to throw at a backup program that may, or may not,
be entirely accessible for the totally blind user. it is also an included
command line app that can be run in terminal from the recovery partition. SInce
I can run this recovery partition from either a CD or a USB stick (properly
configured), I don't have to worry about anything on the system drive that
might accidentally get wiped (considering that I am wiping it anyway).

if you need more info on dd, you can read here:
https://developer.apple.com/library/mac/documentation/Darwin/Reference/ManPages/man1/dd.1.html

-eric

On Sep 12, 2015, at 6:31 AM, Joe Quinn wrote:

So if I Image my boot camp partition, then I deleted, reinstall it, and then
restore it, would it boot? I assume not because as you said it wouldn't copy
everything, only where there is data. I'm just confused. :-) I should just come
in and Match the start and sectors of the partition tables.

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 12, 2015, at 12:41 AM, Eric Oyen wrote:

that would work. you can create a sparse image of the drive as an image file on
another volume. the beauty about this is that only those places that have data
will be copied. ANything without data will simply be ignored (as a zero space
allocation). THis generally only works if you create a sparse image volume to
mimic a hard dis and then do a copy of all the files inside the partition. its
not exactly a bit for bit backup, but it serves as a stopgap.

-eric

On Sep 11, 2015, at 1:24 PM, Joe Quinn wrote:

there's an "image" function in disk utilitity. would that work or do anything?
it's in th

Re: iPhone 6S?

2015-09-15 Thread 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries


+1
Having destroyed two iPhone by swimming with them over the years I would 
pay extra for a waterproof phone. It doesn't have to be scuba certified, 
just good enough for a dip in the pool without croaking. Yes, I know 
there are waterproof cases but they usually make the phone large and 
cumbersome to use, especially access to the charging port. With wifi 
sync and the Apple Watch charging without plugs maybe Apple could make 
an iPhone that abandons the plug all together? Maybe I just need 
swimsuits without pockets :)


CB

On 9/14/15 4:57 PM, Terje Strømberg wrote:

Water proof, dust and shock proof iPhone. On a friend’s wish list, still have 
A-GPS like now, but also with  stand alone GPS i.e. not A-GPS like now. If you 
turn off wi-fi and mobile network, you still get the position from for example 
Blind Square. So, both A-GPS and stand alone GPS.

Take care

14. sep. 2015 kl. 22:38 skrev David Chittenden :

That is another pattent Apple received earlier this year. Apparently, they 
figured out a way to have the fingerprint sensor read the print from anywhere 
on the screen (at least in theory).

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone


On 15 Sep 2015, at 06:59, Brent Harding  wrote:

The one remaining problem would be, is the touch screen sensitive enough to 
work for touch ID?
- Original Message - From: "Scott Granados" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 9:54 AM
Subject: Re: iPhone 6S?


I think you’re right, I think the home button could definitely go.  It’s 
disappeared on several android devices.


On Sep 14, 2015, at 10:51 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:

I certainly would not see this as an improvement, but it would not at all 
surprised me if they got rid of the home button next year. It seems like this 
deal with the force touch method of accessing what we now call the app switcher 
is a harbinger of the demise of the home button. Let's see if I'm wrong.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 14, 2015, at 6:02 AM, sadam.li...@gmail.com wrote:

They can always find some way of improving the phone.

Remember this device generated $102 billion last quarter.

Sent from my iPhone

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On 14 Sep 2015, at 11:00 pm, Scott Granados  wrote:

I don’t know what they can do on the hardware side.  This version is a pretty 
complete device.  The software has possibilities but you don’t need to sell new 
hardware for that.



On Sep 14, 2015, at 8:56 AM, Terje Strømberg  wrote:

Agree, good uppgrade. Where do we go from here? Still many roads to walk. An 
iPhone car on battery completely accessible with Voice Over?

Take care

14. sep. 2015 kl. 14:48 skrev Scott Granados :

I really don’t see what they will add after this.  The phone has every thing 
now.  A really solid radio finally that works on all the networks fully, a nice 
high end camera, fast 64 bit processor, NFC, where do they go from here?


On Sep 12, 2015, at 11:44 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:

Well, you'll have to let us know what you think!
Donna

On Sep 12, 2015, at 9:21 AM, george b  wrote:

Ah,

I got it, so I think it is awesome and I already ordered a 6s plus

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2015 06:57
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhone 6S?

Well, that's certainly true.  I just wondered what the take-aways were from 
thursday's event.
Cheers,
Donna

On Sep 12, 2015, at 8:37 AM, Daniel Miller  wrote:

Hi,

We really won’t know anything until people actually get their hands on it on 
the 25th. There are hands-on articles, but those don’t give any indication of 
how voiceover will work with 3D Touch, naturally.


On Sep 12, 2015, at 8:33 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:

Hi all,

Just wondering what people have heard about the iPhone 6S.  Any worthwhile 
developments?
Cheers,
Donna

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Re: mac update app bundle?

2015-09-15 Thread 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries


There's a lot of apps there. Any one in particular you were asking about?

CB

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Re: Apple keyboard on ubuntu system not writing correct characters.

2015-09-15 Thread 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries

On another mailing list they suggested doing Option+7 to type a pipe. I 
have no way to check that as I'm on a US keyboard.


CB

On 9/15/15 7:05 AM, Anders Holmberg wrote:

Hi!
Maybe be.
I haven’t thought of that as i am so into swedish layout so i don’t know.
But i can absolutely try that.
Thanks in advance mate.
/A

14 sep. 2015 kl. 21:00 skrev Christopher-Mark Gilland :

I thought the virtical bar was shift backslash.

Chris

- Original Message - From: "Anders Holmberg" 
To: "'Eleanor Roberts' via MacVisionaries" 
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 2:51 PM
Subject: Apple keyboard on ubuntu system not writing correct characters.


Hi!
I use an apple keyboard on my linux pc.
I can not type some characters correctly in the cli and elswhere.
How do i do a vertical bar on the apple keyboard.
On my  pc keyboard i do alt gr and <.
But this does not bring up the vertical bar it does bring up ≤ sign.
/A

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Re: MODERATOR REQUEST: iPhone 6S?

2015-09-15 Thread 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries


Short version - Me too
Longer version
VoiceOver was introduced April 2005, 10 years ago, as part of OSX 10.4. 
MacVisionaries, the mailing list, was set up around that same month, 
best as I can tell. It started as a Mac-only list because it predates 
the introduction of the iPhone (June 2007), not to mention VoiceOver on 
the iPhone (June 2009). I've argued previously that the name is now a 
bit of an anachronism. The iOS halo effect and Apple's heavy push to 
integrate OSX machines with iOS devices are well known. There is also a 
very high correlation between Mac and iOS users (although not as much 
the other direction). It seems clear that discussions of Voiceover are 
going to easily ebb and flow between iOS and OSX by design. To 
artificially bifurcate conversations into two buckets seems like a work 
of futility as it goes against the reality of the Apple 
ecosystem/marketplace/common use case and, most importantly, would 
decrease the value of the list to its members.


My previous post in April on this topic is at the link below which 
argues similar points:


https://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries%40googlegroups.com/msg120224.html

CB

On 9/15/15 9:11 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

Hi Mark,

I respectfully disagree.  It has been stated in the past that 
MacVisionaries is an "Everything Apple" list where we can discuss just 
that, MacOS, iOS, Apple hardware etc.  As the line between the MacOS, 
the iOS and its related hardware continually fades, I feel that it is 
very beneficial to be able to discuss a wider range of Apple 
hardware/software as it relates to accessibility on this list.


Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 15, 2015, at 02:15, M. Taylor > wrote:


Hello Everyone,

As this is not an iOS forum, I ask that this topic be taken off-list.

Thank you for understanding.

Mark

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Re: iPhone 6S?

I believe there was a demonstration of the watch being used in this capacity.  
I believe it might be possible to make your iPhone work with these key systems 
although I don’t know definitively.

> On Sep 15, 2015, at 9:16 AM, Brent Harding  wrote:
> 
> I wonder if the phone could learn the key fob thingy one would use to enter 
> buildings? The most annoying thing about the NFC in the iPhone is that the 
> system at the library sets off the payment prompt in my pocket as I go 
> through the door. I'm glad it hasn't succeeded in charging me yet, but I 
> think any NFC tag at all might bring that prompt up.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Scott Granados" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 7:59 AM
> Subject: Re: iPhone 6S?
> 
> 
> This already exists.
> 
> There are several lock companies that produce home locks that work with the 
> iPhone 6 series.  They do all sorts of cool things including letting you 
> issue one time keys for like cleaning people or revoke keys etc.
> 
> Good idea though.
> 
>> On Sep 15, 2015, at 2:38 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> Maybe unlock your door with the phone.
>> I guess the nfc could do that but i am not sure.
>> /A
>>> 14 sep. 2015 kl. 18:55 skrev Scott Granados :
>>> 
>>> These are all good suggestions but software changes only.  None of this 
>>> requires new hardware.  I’m wondering what’s next for hardware.  I can 
>>> already pay with my phone.  I can’t think of non software features to add 
>>> which was my original point.
>>> 
 On Sep 14, 2015, at 11:56 AM, Robin  wrote:
 
 You AreWondering WhereThey CanGo ... I'll TellYou ...
 
 They can allow Their AppDevelopers TheAbility to incorporateTheUse of Siri 
 with TheirApps as Microsoft is allowing its AppDevelopers ToDo with their 
 PA (PersonalAssistant) Cortana
 
 Siri should also BeAbleTo Create&Edit Documents IN Pages & Numbers etc.
 
 That's all I can think of OffTheTopOfMyHead ThisMorning
 At 06:00 AM 9/14/2015, you wrote:
> I donâ€™t know what they can do on the hardware side.  This version is a 
> pretty complete device.  The software has possibilities but you donâ€™t 
> need to sell new hardware for that.
> 
> 
>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 8:56 AM, Terje StrÃ¸mberg  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Agree, good uppgrade. Where do we go from here? Still many roads to 
>> walk. An iPhone car on battery completely accessible with Voice Over?
>> 
>> Take care
>> 
>> 14. sep. 2015 kl. 14:48 skrev Scott Granados :
>> 
>> I really donâ€™t see what they will add after this.  The phone has every 
>> thing now.  A really solid radio finally that works on all the networks 
>> fully, a nice high end camera, fast 64 bit processor, NFC, where do they 
>> go from here?
>> 
>>> On Sep 12, 2015, at 11:44 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well, you'll have to let us know what you think!
>>> Donna
 On Sep 12, 2015, at 9:21 AM, george b  wrote:
 
 Ah,
 
 I got it, so I think it is awesome and I already ordered a 6s plus
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
 Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2015 06:57
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: iPhone 6S?
 
 Well, that's certainly true.  I just wondered what the take-aways were 
 from thursday's event.
 Cheers,
 Donna
> On Sep 12, 2015, at 8:37 AM, Daniel Miller  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> We really wonâ€™t know anything until people actually get their hands 
> on it on the 25th. There are hands-on articles, but those donâ€™t 
> give any indication of how voiceover will work with 3D Touch, 
> naturally.
> 
>> On Sep 12, 2015, at 8:33 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Just wondering what people have heard about the iPhone 6S.  Any 
>> worthwhile developments?
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
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Re: Seeking VO Friendly Checkbook App

2015-09-15 Thread Jason White

Bill Gallik  wrote:

> I should add that I do not require the ability to print checks from this app
> as I will be using the app primarily as an online check register.  

Perhaps not quite what you want, but Ledger is a useful tool that can be used
to keep track of income and expenses. It produces reports that enable you to
keep track of your finances. It's a straightforward command line tool that
works from text files. I haven't used it, but it's on my list of tools to
investigate when opportunity and need converge.

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Re: MODERATOR REQUEST: iPhone 6S?

2015-09-15 Thread Karen Lewellen


Agreed,
I started a different thread for fear of it being filtered.
Still the question is how solid the line may be between products anymore?
how many do you own, or would you own if you could?
Karen


On Tue, 15 Sep 2015, Tim Kilburn wrote:


Hi Mark,

I respectfully disagree.  It has been stated in the past that MacVisionaries is an 
"Everything Apple" list where we can discuss just that, MacOS, iOS, Apple 
hardware etc.  As the line between the MacOS, the iOS and its related hardware 
continually fades, I feel that it is very beneficial to be able to discuss a wider range 
of Apple hardware/software as it relates to accessibility on this list.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 15, 2015, at 02:15, M. Taylor  wrote:

Hello Everyone,

As this is not an iOS forum, I ask that this topic be taken off-list.

Thank you for understanding.

Mark

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But do not products work together? is Mod's request.

2015-09-15 Thread Karen Lewellen


Hi folks,
granted I am far from expert, but my feeling has been that in theory the 
idea of having more than one Apple product, i.e. a mac and an ios device, 
is to use them at least in some way together.
Apple hopes you will do this by requiring? some features, an apple id for 
example, to make full use of functions.

so why cannot the list benefit from  discussions of both platforms?
Which is an Apple tv by definition, an ios device or an os x one?  See 
what I mean?

You might use our Apple tv to watch things on your monitor perhaps?
Just my curiosity about a line that might not really exist anymore?
Karen


On Tue, 15 Sep 2015, Scott Granados wrote:


This is bogus.

I absolutely ask you to reconsider.  Apple devices should be on topic.  Non 
apple devices should be on topic as long as the topic involves interoperation 
with Apple devices or comparisons of Apple devices to that product.

This list should allow the watch as well and support all Apple products.  There 
may be an iPhone list and that???s all well and good but a lot of us don???t 
want to bother with more than one list


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Hello Everyone,

As this is not an iOS forum, I ask that this topic be taken off-list.

Thank you for understanding.

Mark

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Re: iPhone 6S?

2015-09-15 Thread Brent Harding

I wonder if the phone could learn the key fob thingy one would use to enter 
buildings? The most annoying thing about the NFC in the iPhone is that the 
system at the library sets off the payment prompt in my pocket as I go 
through the door. I'm glad it hasn't succeeded in charging me yet, but I 
think any NFC tag at all might bring that prompt up.


- Original Message - 
From: "Scott Granados" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 7:59 AM
Subject: Re: iPhone 6S?


This already exists.

There are several lock companies that produce home locks that work with the 
iPhone 6 series.  They do all sorts of cool things including letting you 
issue one time keys for like cleaning people or revoke keys etc.


Good idea though.

On Sep 15, 2015, at 2:38 AM, Anders Holmberg  
wrote:


Hi!
Maybe unlock your door with the phone.
I guess the nfc could do that but i am not sure.
/A

14 sep. 2015 kl. 18:55 skrev Scott Granados :

These are all good suggestions but software changes only.  None of this 
requires new hardware.  I’m wondering what’s next for hardware.  I can 
already pay with my phone.  I can’t think of non software features to add 
which was my original point.



On Sep 14, 2015, at 11:56 AM, Robin  wrote:

You AreWondering WhereThey CanGo ... I'll TellYou ...

They can allow Their AppDevelopers TheAbility to incorporateTheUse of 
Siri with TheirApps as Microsoft is allowing its AppDevelopers ToDo with 
their PA (PersonalAssistant) Cortana


Siri should also BeAbleTo Create&Edit Documents IN Pages & Numbers etc.

That's all I can think of OffTheTopOfMyHead ThisMorning
At 06:00 AM 9/14/2015, you wrote:
I donâ€™t know what they can do on the hardware side.  This version is 
a pretty complete device.  The software has possibilities but you 
donâ€™t need to sell new hardware for that.



On Sep 14, 2015, at 8:56 AM, Terje StrÃ¸mberg 
 wrote:


Agree, good uppgrade. Where do we go from here? Still many roads to 
walk. An iPhone car on battery completely accessible with Voice Over?


Take care

14. sep. 2015 kl. 14:48 skrev Scott Granados 
:


I really donâ€™t see what they will add after this.  The phone has 
every thing now.  A really solid radio finally that works on all the 
networks fully, a nice high end camera, fast 64 bit processor, NFC, 
where do they go from here?



On Sep 12, 2015, at 11:44 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:

Well, you'll have to let us know what you think!
Donna

On Sep 12, 2015, at 9:21 AM, george b  wrote:

Ah,

I got it, so I think it is awesome and I already ordered a 6s plus

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin

Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2015 06:57
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhone 6S?

Well, that's certainly true.  I just wondered what the take-aways 
were from thursday's event.

Cheers,
Donna
On Sep 12, 2015, at 8:37 AM, Daniel Miller  
wrote:


Hi,

We really wonâ€™t know anything until people actually get their 
hands on it on the 25th. There are hands-on articles, but those 
donâ€™t give any indication of how voiceover will work with 3D 
Touch, naturally.


On Sep 12, 2015, at 8:33 AM, Donna Goodin  
wrote:


Hi all,

Just wondering what people have heard about the iPhone 6S.  Any 
worthwhile developments?

Cheers,
Donna

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Re: MODERATOR REQUEST: iPhone 6S?

+1

> On Sep 15, 2015, at 9:11 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mark,
> 
> I respectfully disagree.  It has been stated in the past that MacVisionaries 
> is an "Everything Apple" list where we can discuss just that, MacOS, iOS, 
> Apple hardware etc.  As the line between the MacOS, the iOS and its related 
> hardware continually fades, I feel that it is very beneficial to be able to 
> discuss a wider range of Apple hardware/software as it relates to 
> accessibility on this list.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Sep 15, 2015, at 02:15, M. Taylor mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> As this is not an iOS forum, I ask that this topic be taken off-list.
> 
> Thank you for understanding.
> 
> Mark
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Seeking VO Friendly Checkbook App

2015-09-15 Thread Bill Gallik

I am looking for checkbook software that’s VO friendly.  Earlier this morning I 
installed “Checkbook HD Free,” but found it extremely inaccessible.  
Thankfully, I did install the free version. Hopefully, someone can advise me of 
a far more suitable app for my purposes.

I should add that I do not require the ability to print checks from this app as 
I will be using the app primarily as an online check register.  But if anybody 
can suggest a program that could additionally print to standard checks, I would 
certainly be receptive!

- Bill & Leader Dog Holland

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Re: MODERATOR REQUEST: iPhone 6S?

Hi Mark,

I respectfully disagree.  It has been stated in the past that MacVisionaries is 
an "Everything Apple" list where we can discuss just that, MacOS, iOS, Apple 
hardware etc.  As the line between the MacOS, the iOS and its related hardware 
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wider range of Apple hardware/software as it relates to accessibility on this 
list.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

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As this is not an iOS forum, I ask that this topic be taken off-list.

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Re: TVOS Accessibility

You have many different services in Europe than we do.  I remember when I was 
over there in 1992 it was the first time I had seen one of the small form 
factor dishes and a dish like service that aggregated content to a small dish 
on your house.  That was years before it was popular here.  
We don’t have anything similar I don’t believe.  We do have over the 
air TV which is just regular broadcast and there are small conversion boxes 
that turn digital to analog for old televisions but that’s as close as we get.


> On Sep 14, 2015, at 4:48 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> Hi Scott.
> 
> Freeview TV is a free TV service here in the UK.  As far as I know, you get a 
> Freeview box built into the TV and you put a TV view card in it.  It's a bit 
> like cable but you get all free channels on it.  Not used it myself yet as I 
> have no TV yet.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Kawal.
> On 14 Sep 2015, at 13:19, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> You would need a TV with an HDMI in to make the Apple TV work.  I have a 
> Samsung myself but most large screen devices support these inputs.  
> 
> What’s a free view TV?
> 
> 
>> On Sep 10, 2015, at 4:34 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Scott.
>> 
>> I am very interested in the new Apple TV as I have no TV at the moment.  So 
>> if I got a basic Free View TV (don't know if the US have Freeview TV) and 
>> got an Apple TV the new one, would it work on the Freeview TV?  As I thought 
>> yesterday Apple said that they had made a proper television.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>> On 10 Sep 2015, at 20:00, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> I think we’re going to write an App for the device so we can use our service 
>> as well in the same way.  Would be cool to have very high definition 
>> meetings right on your large screen TV.:)
>> 
>>> On Sep 10, 2015, at 11:05 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Wow, just looked at this page.  This is awesome!  I am really heartened 
>>> that straight out of the box, the very very first introduction to TVOS 
>>> already has Voiceover included, and can even be activated with no sighted 
>>> help, just like it can on I O S, and on OSS, and frankly, WatchOS.  That is 
>>> incredible!  I confess, I was ever so slightly concerned, not so much that 
>>> accessibility wouldn't be there, nor developed, but to what extent more or 
>>> less it would be.  The fact they directly mention about flicking and double 
>>> tapping, as well as your rotor even working tells me that this is gonna be 
>>> probably like a real glorified version of I O S.  Guies, think about what 
>>> this could mean for us audio gurus!  Pandora on your TV, Apple Music on 
>>> your TV, Skype and maybe even Facetime on your TV in combination with the 
>>> remote, e-mail and web browsing, Facebook and Twitter!  Oh, my freaking 
>>> Gawod? Ehh K, ehh kayyy, Periscope! from the TV!  Now! you got me thinking! 
>>>  This could be a freaking mazing!
>>> 
>>> Chris.
>>> 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Kevin Shaw
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com ; viph...@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 8:24 AM
 Subject: TVOS Accessibility
 
 Apple’s page on TVOS accessibility. 
 
 http://www.apple.com/accessibility/tvos/
 
 
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Re: MODERATOR REQUEST: iPhone 6S?

This is bogus.

I absolutely ask you to reconsider.  Apple devices should be on topic.  Non 
apple devices should be on topic as long as the topic involves interoperation 
with Apple devices or comparisons of Apple devices to that product.

This list should allow the watch as well and support all Apple products.  There 
may be an iPhone list and that’s all well and good but a lot of us don’t want 
to bother with more than one list

> On Sep 15, 2015, at 4:15 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> As this is not an iOS forum, I ask that this topic be taken off-list.
> 
> Thank you for understanding.
> 
> Mark
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Re: iPhone 6S?

This already exists.

There are several lock companies that produce home locks that work with the 
iPhone 6 series.  They do all sorts of cool things including letting you issue 
one time keys for like cleaning people or revoke keys etc.

Good idea though.

> On Sep 15, 2015, at 2:38 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> Maybe unlock your door with the phone.
> I guess the nfc could do that but i am not sure.
> /A
>> 14 sep. 2015 kl. 18:55 skrev Scott Granados :
>> 
>> These are all good suggestions but software changes only.  None of this 
>> requires new hardware.  I’m wondering what’s next for hardware.  I can 
>> already pay with my phone.  I can’t think of non software features to add 
>> which was my original point.
>> 
>>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 11:56 AM, Robin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> You AreWondering WhereThey CanGo ... I'll TellYou ...
>>> 
>>> They can allow Their AppDevelopers TheAbility to incorporateTheUse of Siri 
>>> with TheirApps as Microsoft is allowing its AppDevelopers ToDo with their 
>>> PA (PersonalAssistant) Cortana
>>> 
>>> Siri should also BeAbleTo Create&Edit Documents IN Pages & Numbers etc.
>>> 
>>> That's all I can think of OffTheTopOfMyHead ThisMorning
>>> At 06:00 AM 9/14/2015, you wrote:
 I donâ€™t know what they can do on the hardware side.  This version is a 
 pretty complete device.  The software has possibilities but you donâ€™t 
 need to sell new hardware for that.
 
 
> On Sep 14, 2015, at 8:56 AM, Terje StrÃ¸mberg  
> wrote:
> 
> Agree, good uppgrade. Where do we go from here? Still many roads to walk. 
> An iPhone car on battery completely accessible with Voice Over?
> 
> Take care
> 
> 14. sep. 2015 kl. 14:48 skrev Scott Granados :
> 
> I really donâ€™t see what they will add after this.  The phone has every 
> thing now.  A really solid radio finally that works on all the networks 
> fully, a nice high end camera, fast 64 bit processor, NFC, where do they 
> go from here?
> 
>> On Sep 12, 2015, at 11:44 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Well, you'll have to let us know what you think!
>> Donna
>>> On Sep 12, 2015, at 9:21 AM, george b  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ah,
>>> 
>>> I got it, so I think it is awesome and I already ordered a 6s plus
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>>> Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2015 06:57
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: iPhone 6S?
>>> 
>>> Well, that's certainly true.  I just wondered what the take-aways were 
>>> from thursday's event.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
 On Sep 12, 2015, at 8:37 AM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 We really wonâ€™t know anything until people actually get their hands 
 on it on the 25th. There are hands-on articles, but those donâ€™t give 
 any indication of how voiceover will work with 3D Touch, naturally.
 
> On Sep 12, 2015, at 8:33 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Just wondering what people have heard about the iPhone 6S.  Any 
> worthwhile developments?
> Cheers,
> Donna
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Re: iPhone 6S?

I would disagree, Apple products should be fairly interchangeable.  Granted 
there may be folks who join both lists but I for one don’t want to join more 
than one.  Apple products should be on topic regardless of whether it’s the 
phone, watch or Mac.  Other non Apple devices should be allowed as well if the 
discussion involves interoperation of these products with Apple devices.


Come on and don’t be that short sited.

> On Sep 14, 2015, at 10:15 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> I would ask that this thread be continued on the V iPhone list, okay?  
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 6:12 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iPhone 6S?
> 
> Well, there has been speculation in the tech press the last couple of years 
> about getting rid of the home button. If it is true that they don't need it 
> for touch ID or for accessing multitasking, why have it? The obvious answer 
> as far as we are concerned, is that we use it for triple click home. And so 
> do some other folks with disabilities. But if that is the only reason for the 
> home button, I predict it's gone. Why keep it question they could have more 
> screen real estate if they got rid of it.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 5:32 PM, Feliciano Godoy  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> I do not see Apple getting
>> 
>> Regards,rid of the home button on the iOS devices. The physical home 
>> button is what many people like about the iPhone. Just my $.02 
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>>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 7:51 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I certainly would not see this as an improvement, but it would not at all 
>>> surprised me if they got rid of the home button next year. It seems like 
>>> this deal with the force touch method of accessing what we now call the app 
>>> switcher is a harbinger of the demise of the home button. Let's see if I'm 
>>> wrong.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Sep 14, 2015, at 6:02 AM, sadam.li...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 They can always find some way of improving the phone. 
 
 Remember this device generated $102 billion last quarter. 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
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> On 14 Sep 2015, at 11:00 pm, Scott Granados  
> wrote:
> 
> I don’t know what they can do on the hardware side.  This version is a 
> pretty complete device.  The software has possibilities but you don’t 
> need to sell new hardware for that.
> 
> 
>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 8:56 AM, Terje Strømberg  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Agree, good uppgrade. Where do we go from here? Still many roads to 
>> walk. An iPhone car on battery completely accessible with Voice Over?
>> 
>> Take care
>> 
>> 14. sep. 2015 kl. 14:48 skrev Scott Granados :
>> 
>> I really don’t see what they will add after this.  The phone has every 
>> thing now.  A really solid radio finally that works on all the networks 
>> fully, a nice high end camera, fast 64 bit processor, NFC, where do they 
>> go from here?
>> 
>>> On Sep 12, 2015, at 11:44 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well, you'll have to let us know what you think!
>>> Donna
 On Sep 12, 2015, at 9:21 AM, george b  wrote:
 
 Ah,
 
 I got it, so I think it is awesome and I already ordered a 6s 
 plus
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna 
 Goodin
 Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2015 06:57
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: iPhone 6S?
 
 Well, that's certainly true.  I just wondered what the take-aways were 
 from thursday's event.
 Cheers,
 Donna
> On Sep 12, 2015, at 8:37 AM, Daniel Miller  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> We really won’t know anything until people actually get their hands 
> on it on the 25th. There are hands-on articles, but those don’t give 
> any indication of how voiceover will work with 3D Touch, naturally.
> 
>> On Sep 12, 2015, at 8:33 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Just wondering what people have heard about the iPhone 6S.  Any 
>> worthwhile developments?
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
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Re: iPhone 6S?

I think it’s more the load from the GPS chip itself.  If you think about it it 
has to do a lot of math and calculating to output a position and operate a 32 
channel receiver.  I think with the personal GPS receivers they just put a bit 
more beefy battery in them for better life.

> On Sep 14, 2015, at 5:42 PM, Brent Harding  wrote:
> 
> I imagine with all the different stuff going on in the phone, the GPS signal 
> is pretty weak, and it has to try harder than dedicated GPS devices do. One 
> would think that using the approved external bluetooth receivers that have 
> their own battery might help some, but I think Apple still combines that with 
> the phone's internal sense of the location.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "David Chittenden" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 3:27 PM
> Subject: Re: iPhone 6S?
> 
> 
> No, the battery drain is primarily from the GPS signal being so weak. The 
> power drain from the mobile connection is quite minor in comparison. I have 
> almost equivalent battery drain whether I use unboard maps from TomTom, or 
> internet based maps from AppleMaps or GoogleMaps.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 15 Sep 2015, at 02:43, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I've always wondered if the GPS drain was due to getting the coordinates all 
>> the time or the constant downloading of data over the cellular internet 
>> connection. I guess if there is a GPS app with all the maps included (would 
>> be quite large) that would be a good test. I think Navigon was one that had 
>> the maps baked into the app.
>> 
>> CB
>> 
>>> On 9/14/15 10:07 AM, Brent Harding wrote:
>>> I agree. It seems that next to video streaming, location services are the 
>>> biggest culprit of battery drain. Since we don't know for sure, it's hard 
>>> to say if Seeing Eye is more of a drain than it could be if maps were in 
>>> local storage as opposed to maintaining a constant connection to their 
>>> servers. I imagine some of that battery drain can be decreased through 
>>> things they can do in software, but I thought I heard that the GPS in 
>>> phones is a more power hungry way of doing it than the little GPS receivers 
>>> people used with their note takers. They might be already at a point where 
>>> we need some kind of breakthrough in batteries to increase the time we get 
>>> by increasing the power without changing the size.
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - From: "'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries" 
>>> 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 8:23 AM
>>> Subject: Re: iPhone 6S?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Only major thing would be battery life. Keep all those features rolling
>>> for a week on a charge would be nice. Probably some new even faster
>>> networks will be coming down the pipe but, yes, they seem to have
>>> completed addressing all the major limitations.
>>> 
>>> CB
>>> 
 On 9/14/15 8:48 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
 I really don’t see what they will add after this.  The phone has every 
 thing now.  A really solid radio finally that works on all the networks 
 fully, a nice high end camera, fast 64 bit processor, NFC, where do they 
 go from here?
 
> On Sep 12, 2015, at 11:44 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Well, you'll have to let us know what you think!
> Donna
>> On Sep 12, 2015, at 9:21 AM, george b  wrote:
>> 
>> Ah,
>> 
>> I got it, so I think it is awesome and I already ordered a 6s plus
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>> Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2015 06:57
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: iPhone 6S?
>> 
>> Well, that's certainly true.  I just wondered what the take-aways were 
>> from thursday's event.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Sep 12, 2015, at 8:37 AM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> We really won’t know anything until people actually get their hands on 
>>> it on the 25th. There are hands-on articles, but those don’t give any 
>>> indication of how voiceover will work with 3D Touch, naturally.
>>> 
 On Sep 12, 2015, at 8:33 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 Just wondering what people have heard about the iPhone 6S.  Any 
 worthwhile developments?
 Cheers,
 Donna
 
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Re: iPhone 6S?

That’s interesting you mention that.  Batteries have improved so much over my 
lifetime.  It’s really interesting how things have progressed.  I suppose the 
whole electric car industry is pushing this tech forward as well.


> On Sep 14, 2015, at 4:23 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
> 
> Yes, and a recent report I read stated a very nice accidental improvement in 
> battery technology. We should see this improvement next year. It reportedly 
> will double battery life.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
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> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 15 Sep 2015, at 02:07, Brent Harding  wrote:
>> 
>> I agree. It seems that next to video streaming, location services are the 
>> biggest culprit of battery drain. Since we don't know for sure, it's hard to 
>> say if Seeing Eye is more of a drain than it could be if maps were in local 
>> storage as opposed to maintaining a constant connection to their servers. I 
>> imagine some of that battery drain can be decreased through things they can 
>> do in software, but I thought I heard that the GPS in phones is a more power 
>> hungry way of doing it than the little GPS receivers people used with their 
>> note takers. They might be already at a point where we need some kind of 
>> breakthrough in batteries to increase the time we get by increasing the 
>> power without changing the size.
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries" 
>> 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 8:23 AM
>> Subject: Re: iPhone 6S?
>> 
>> 
>> Only major thing would be battery life. Keep all those features rolling
>> for a week on a charge would be nice. Probably some new even faster
>> networks will be coming down the pipe but, yes, they seem to have
>> completed addressing all the major limitations.
>> 
>> CB
>> 
>>> On 9/14/15 8:48 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>> I really don’t see what they will add after this.  The phone has every 
>>> thing now.  A really solid radio finally that works on all the networks 
>>> fully, a nice high end camera, fast 64 bit processor, NFC, where do they go 
>>> from here?
>>> 
 On Sep 12, 2015, at 11:44 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 Well, you'll have to let us know what you think!
 Donna
> On Sep 12, 2015, at 9:21 AM, george b  wrote:
> 
> Ah,
> 
> I got it, so I think it is awesome and I already ordered a 6s plus
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2015 06:57
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iPhone 6S?
> 
> Well, that's certainly true.  I just wondered what the take-aways were 
> from thursday's event.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Sep 12, 2015, at 8:37 AM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> We really won’t know anything until people actually get their hands on 
>> it on the 25th. There are hands-on articles, but those don’t give any 
>> indication of how voiceover will work with 3D Touch, naturally.
>> 
>>> On Sep 12, 2015, at 8:33 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> Just wondering what people have heard about the iPhone 6S.  Any 
>>> worthwhile developments?
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
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Re: iPhone 6S?

you would still have a censor.  That’s a good point though would you put it 
where home was or elsewhere?

> On Sep 14, 2015, at 2:59 PM, Brent Harding  wrote:
> 
> The one remaining problem would be, is the touch screen sensitive enough to 
> work for touch ID?
> - Original Message - From: "Scott Granados" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 9:54 AM
> Subject: Re: iPhone 6S?
> 
> 
> I think you’re right, I think the home button could definitely go.  It’s 
> disappeared on several android devices.
> 
>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 10:51 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> I certainly would not see this as an improvement, but it would not at all 
>> surprised me if they got rid of the home button next year. It seems like 
>> this deal with the force touch method of accessing what we now call the app 
>> switcher is a harbinger of the demise of the home button. Let's see if I'm 
>> wrong.
>> Mary
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 6:02 AM, sadam.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> 
>>> They can always find some way of improving the phone.
>>> 
>>> Remember this device generated $102 billion last quarter.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
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>>> 
>>> 
 On 14 Sep 2015, at 11:00 pm, Scott Granados  
 wrote:
 
 I don’t know what they can do on the hardware side.  This version is a 
 pretty complete device.  The software has possibilities but you don’t need 
 to sell new hardware for that.
 
 
> On Sep 14, 2015, at 8:56 AM, Terje Strømberg  
> wrote:
> 
> Agree, good uppgrade. Where do we go from here? Still many roads to walk. 
> An iPhone car on battery completely accessible with Voice Over?
> 
> Take care
> 
> 14. sep. 2015 kl. 14:48 skrev Scott Granados :
> 
> I really don’t see what they will add after this.  The phone has every 
> thing now.  A really solid radio finally that works on all the networks 
> fully, a nice high end camera, fast 64 bit processor, NFC, where do they 
> go from here?
> 
>> On Sep 12, 2015, at 11:44 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Well, you'll have to let us know what you think!
>> Donna
>>> On Sep 12, 2015, at 9:21 AM, george b  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ah,
>>> 
>>> I got it, so I think it is awesome and I already ordered a 6s plus
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>>> Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2015 06:57
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: iPhone 6S?
>>> 
>>> Well, that's certainly true.  I just wondered what the take-aways were 
>>> from thursday's event.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
 On Sep 12, 2015, at 8:37 AM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 We really won’t know anything until people actually get their hands on 
 it on the 25th. There are hands-on articles, but those don’t give any 
 indication of how voiceover will work with 3D Touch, naturally.
 
> On Sep 12, 2015, at 8:33 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Just wondering what people have heard about the iPhone 6S.  Any 
> worthwhile developments?
> Cheers,
> Donna
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RE: iPhone 6S?