Re: Radium on the Mac

[Faisal ali]

Hi,
It sounds like you’re still using an older version of radium as the method you 
described appears no longer to be the case.
> On Sep 20, 2015, at 10:14 PM, Terje Strømberg  wrote:
> 
> When i start Radium, i hear: «internet radio stations, text search field». vo 
> + left and i hear «playback toggle button», vo - down and i hear: «stations 
> table», interact with the table shift - vo + m, vo - down arrow. Be sure that 
> the text field for search is empty. Maybe there also are a setting in 
> settings to start your favorites during startup.
> 
> Take care
> 
> 21. sep. 2015 kl. 00:41 skrev Sarai Bucciarelli :
> 
> I have no luck finding favorites either.
>> On Sep 20, 2015, at 5:23 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> You have to be very quick pressing the button and then try to find the 
>> stations list.
>> At least it works for me but it is tricky so be patient.
>> /A
>>> 19 sep. 2015 kl. 21:13 skrev Mary Otten :
>>> 
>>> It has been a long time since I used radium on the Mac. I use it on my 
>>> phone and my iPad quite a bit. I just went to the Mac app, which is 
>>> up-to-date. I am not seeing any of the stations which I had previously 
>>> saved. All I get is a scroll area that has a bunch of categories presumably 
>>> for me to browse. But I'm not seeing any of my safe stations. It seems to 
>>> me that this problem has been discussed before, but I don't remember what 
>>> the solution was if any. I did find an unlabeled button, which I pressed 
>>> with no resulting action.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: YFI Vs Hard-wired?

[Scott Granados]

Most likely, having a hard wire would have made 0 (no ) difference.  Depending 
on the type of FIOS you have, that’s the qualifier here.  Unless you have a 
service greater than 300 megabits it won’t make a bit of difference.  If you 
have a 50 megabit service for example it takes the same amount of time to 
transfer using WiFi as it does wired because the choke point here is the actual 
Internet connection, your download will go only as fast as the slowest link.  
Now, if you’re like me and have the 500 megabit FIOS service then my answer 
changes.  WiFi unless you have the latest 802.11AC (which the latest macbook 
pro does support) you have a theoretical maximum of 1.3 gigabits but in most 
settings, you’ll get a full gigabit over the wire and something less than that 
over WiFi.  In that setup it’s possible the WiFi could be the slower choke 
point than either the Internet connection or the Wire.
If you still do want to buy a wire or if you really do have one of the 
faster tiers of service buy a category 6 ethernet cable.  They make them 
varying lengths or you can get your own ends and wire and cut the wire to your 
own specific length.  I would suggest remade wires if you’re a new user as it’s 
the most simple.  You’ll plug one end in to your router, the other in to the 
port on your computer and you’ll be good to go.  Note on the Macbook Pro you’ll 
need a specific ethernet adapter which is not included and is a $30 add on.  
Make sure you have this port if you want to go the wired route.  Let me know if 
that helps and I wish you good luck.

> On Sep 20, 2015, at 1:01 PM, Eileen Scrivani  wrote:
> 
> Hi Folks,
>  
> What type of cable do I need to get to connect my Mac Book to our Fios, 
> fiber-optics, internet connection?  Since there will be another update for 
> the OS soon, I don’t want to do any more updates of that size over a Y-FI 
> connection.  When I updated to Yosemite a month ago, it took all afternoon & 
> evening for it to complete the download/install.  It hit me after the fact 
> that it would have gone much faster if I had been hard-wired to our internet 
> service.
>  
> FYI, Its a Mac Book Pro
>  
> Thanks.
>  
> Eileen
>  
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Re: YFI Vs Hard-wired?

[Scott Granados]

You will need an adapter for this model.  It’s about $30 on the Apple site.

> On Sep 20, 2015, at 3:27 PM, Eileen Scrivani  wrote:
> 
>  
> I purchased the Mac Book Pro in June of 2014 and its a 13 inch with retna 
> display.  It has flash storage if I remember the exact wording the sales geek 
> used when I bought it.  I was like a deer caught in the headlights by the 
> time I walked out of the store so at the time it did not even cross my mind 
> to ask about connecting it via cable to the net.  I’ll check on-line like you 
> say.
>  
> Thanks.
>  
> eileen
>  
>  
>  
> From: Jason White 
> Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2015 1:06 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: YFI Vs Hard-wired?
>  
> Eileen Scrivani  wrote:
> > What type of cable do I need to get to connect my Mac Book to our Fios, 
> > fiber-optics, internet connection?  
> 
> Ethernet cable. You might also need a Thunderbolt to Ethernet adapter if your
> laptop doesn't have an Ethernet port (check the specifications, which you
> should be able to find online). Mine is a late 2013 MacBook Pro, and it
> requires the adapter.
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Re: YFI Vs Hard-wired?

[Scott Granados]

Eileen, what tier package do you have with FIOS?  I”m also a FIOS user so can 
be of help here.  What speed do you have?

> On Sep 20, 2015, at 3:33 PM, Eileen Scrivani  wrote:
> 
> I think its worth trying.  All other minor downloads and installations are 
> reasonable along with email processing and refreshing my message list.  They 
> are all pretty rapid. 
>  
> I can tell you that the day I did the update to Yosemite it started around 3 
> in the afternoon and at around midnight that night it was still going.  This 
> was a month or two back so I think it was a combination of both the downloads 
> and installations.  I could not believe how long it took!
>  
> Eileen
>  
> From: Alex Hall 
> Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2015 1:09 PM
> To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
> Subject: Re: YFI Vs Hard-wired?
>  
> I don't know that you'll see much difference, though. I can easily get 2MB 
> download speeds on the wifi here, and that's with a relatively poor 
> connection (thanks, cheap TWC routers) on a 2012 Macbook Air. Generally, 
> ethernet is great for local network transfers, but not as advantageous for 
> internet-based downloads. It's worth a try, certainly, but I don't know that 
> you'll get the speed boost you hope for.
> > On Sep 20, 2015, at 13:06, Jason White  wrote:
> > 
> > Eileen Scrivani  wrote:
> >> What type of cable do I need to get to connect my Mac Book to our Fios, 
> >> fiber-optics, internet connection?  
> > 
> > Ethernet cable. You might also need a Thunderbolt to Ethernet adapter if 
> > your
> > laptop doesn't have an Ethernet port (check the specifications, which you
> > should be able to find online). Mine is a late 2013 MacBook Pro, and it
> > requires the adapter.
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Re: YFI Vs Hard-wired?

[Scott Granados]

Ethernet is not worth while sub 100 megabits.  Unless she has one of the top 
FIOS tiers she shouldn’t bother.  IF she does though I would run and not walk 
and install a wire.

> On Sep 20, 2015, at 1:21 PM, Jason White  wrote:
> 
> Alex Hall  wrote:
>> I don't know that you'll see much difference, though. I can easily get 2MB
>> download speeds on the wifi here, and that's with a relatively poor
>> connection (thanks, cheap TWC routers) on a 2012 Macbook Air. 
> 
> Fiber, though, provides very fast connections, so the advantage of using
> Ethernet would be greater.
> 
> I had fibre in the apartment that I rented for a while, providing 50 megabits
> per second connections in both directions.
> 
> In my current apartment, the connection is via cable at 105 megabits per
> second downstream. The upstream speed is considerably less, but I can't
> remmeber it. You might be able to achieve 105mbps connections with 802.11ac
> wifi under suitable conditions.
> 
> In general, though, I think the Ethernet would be worthwhile.
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Re: El Kapitan.

[Scott Granados]

Anything would be better.  I propose OS X 10.11.  As they do with IOS they 
could just stick to the numbers.

> On Sep 18, 2015, at 5:16 PM, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
> 
> I've got a question for you guys. If you think El Capitan is a stupid name 
> for an OS, what would you rather have Apple call it? The only reason they 
> called it El Capitan is to make additions to Yosemite.
> 
> Shawn
> Sent From My White MacBook
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>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 9:32 AM, george b  wrote:
>> 
>> Hay type it in google and get all the history it is a granit peak about 3000 
>> feet tall in yousemette national park in northern California.
>> 
>> Apple changed the name of o s x from animals after mt. lion, to land marks
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
>> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 12:42
>> To: Macvisionaries 
>> Subject: El Kapitan.
>> 
>> Please could someone tell me where this place El Capitan is as I've never 
>> heard of it.  Is it a small place and why do Apple choose such strange 
>> names?  I preferred the cat family.
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Re: Apple car, anyone?

[Scott Granados]

Outside air is for the weak.:)  I don’t need the wind in my hair if I know the 
car can and will survive a crash much better with out windows.  No flying 
glass, no structural holes, no extra weight for glass.  Lots of upsides.

> On Sep 18, 2015, at 1:54 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hmm.  I'm not so sure.  For that matter, not sure I would like it much.  
> Obviously for me the trade-off would be worth it, but if you had a choice 
> would you want to give up driving around with the windows down.  I wouldn't.
> Donna
>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:06 AM, Scott Granados  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Oh I think sited users will do just fine.  There are screens where the 
>> windows would be so they will still be able to see outside.  It’s just now 
>> they will have night vision and infrared as well as the regular optical 
>> spectrum.  Depends on how good the screens are I guess.  I used to work next 
>> to Dolby labs and got a tour once.  They had a demonstration of a window 
>> that looked outside and then a screen mounted in the wall that looked 
>> exactly the same shape / size as the real window and the demonstration was 
>> you had to guess which one was real and which was a screen.  Most people 
>> couldn’t tell the difference.  So if they have technology like that probably 
>> sited users won’t mind if it’s a glass screen instead of a glass window.  
>> Only difference is you can’t roll it down.  That being said though the car 
>> would be much safer because it doesn’t have all the cutout spots for windows 
>> and viewing areas.  You can use solid metal panels and have a lot more 
>> rigidity and structural stability with out the window so crashes should be 
>> safer.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:50 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Wow, that design does sound pretty hideous. However, I don't think the lack 
>>> of windows will stand. I don't think cited users would put up with that for 
>>> a minute!
>>> 
>>> It is interesting what Google has done. Always good to have choices!
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:01 AM, Scott Granados  
 wrote:
 
 Dona, has anyone described to you what this prototype car looks like?  
 There were some photos leaked a while back, who knows since they are 
 rumors but they basically had a pod that had 4 wheels (it’s not a 3 
 wheeler like some models) and it had no (0) windows.  Think about that for 
 a minute.  What it did have were screens and cameras and a ton of 
 autonomous driving features.
 You’d also be interested in what Google is doing.  They have already had 
 blind folks operating their autonomous vehicles for a while now.  I 
 believe that one of the engineers on the project is blind but I haven’t 
 been able to come up with a name.  I saw a special on CNBC about a year 
 ago and can’t recall the gentleman’s name they had who was using the car 
 to get to and from work and to the store etc.  It would drop him off in 
 front of the grocery store door, he’d do his thing and come out and hit a 
 key fob that would summon the car that had parked it self and it pulled up 
 and picked him up.
 
 Never thought I’d see it in my lifetime, shocks me how far along they 
 actually are.  Google has made massive steps forward in machine vision.
 
> On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:21 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I just saw this on MacRumors and thought you guys would be interested if 
> you haven't seen it.  I sooo want to be a test driver!
> http://www.macrumors.com/2015/09/18/apple-met-california-dmv-autonomous-vehicle/?utm_source=osx&utm_medium=push&utm_campaign=front
>  
> 
> Cheers,
> Donna
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Re: Apple car, anyone?

[Scott Granados]

Obviously there would be redundant systems so if your computer failed a backup 
would take over.  I suspect a lot of this will be run externally from large 
computer farms anyway keeping the logic outside the car makes for easier 
maintenance.

> On Sep 18, 2015, at 1:54 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> I'd love a car which I could use myself.  Probably cost a fortune.  I could 
> go to work in my car, or go and see parents in my car or go and get shopping 
> and fasten my guide dog in the back.  She's have a whale of a time as she'd 
> not have too much work to do.  The only scary thing would be that supposing 
> the computer in the car went wrong and it crashed?
> On 18 Sep 2015, at 16:48, Denise Barajas  wrote:
> 
> This certainly would be very interesting. I haven't really heard or read very 
> much of anything, due to the fact that I myself find myself extremely 
> occupied more or less on the daily basis. When I'm not going to school, I 
> kind of just chill out and try to either run my own errands out of the house 
> and usually when I'm in the public transit system, I like to get lost in my 
> favorite music. Otherwise, if I stay home, I try my best to try and catch up 
> with important email, or I just play my mud client game. It certainly does 
> think a few questions though. How safe and how credible could a project like 
> this be especially for those of us with no vision? There are many more that 
> can come to my mind at the moment, but I can't really think of writing them, 
> as I'm barely starting my day myself. Either way though, I have posted this 
> on various places and if they do turn out to be well equipped and well 
> established, I might consider going to try one of them myself. I hope these 
> thoughts don't sound too general or two simple. Blessings to all of you
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 08:06, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Oh I think sited users will do just fine.  There are screens where the 
>> windows would be so they will still be able to see outside.  It’s just now 
>> they will have night vision and infrared as well as the regular optical 
>> spectrum.  Depends on how good the screens are I guess.  I used to work next 
>> to Dolby labs and got a tour once.  They had a demonstration of a window 
>> that looked outside and then a screen mounted in the wall that looked 
>> exactly the same shape / size as the real window and the demonstration was 
>> you had to guess which one was real and which was a screen.  Most people 
>> couldn’t tell the difference.  So if they have technology like that probably 
>> sited users won’t mind if it’s a glass screen instead of a glass window.  
>> Only difference is you can’t roll it down.  That being said though the car 
>> would be much safer because it doesn’t have all the cutout spots for windows 
>> and viewing areas.  You can use solid metal panels and have a lot more 
>> rigidity and structural stability with out the window so crashes should be 
>> safer.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:50 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Wow, that design does sound pretty hideous. However, I don't think the lack 
>>> of windows will stand. I don't think cited users would put up with that for 
>>> a minute!
>>> 
>>> It is interesting what Google has done. Always good to have choices!
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:01 AM, Scott Granados  
 wrote:
 
 Dona, has anyone described to you what this prototype car looks like?  
 There were some photos leaked a while back, who knows since they are 
 rumors but they basically had a pod that had 4 wheels (it’s not a 3 
 wheeler like some models) and it had no (0) windows.  Think about that for 
 a minute.  What it did have were screens and cameras and a ton of 
 autonomous driving features.
 You’d also be interested in what Google is doing.  They have already had 
 blind folks operating their autonomous vehicles for a while now.  I 
 believe that one of the engineers on the project is blind but I haven’t 
 been able to come up with a name.  I saw a special on CNBC about a year 
 ago and can’t recall the gentleman’s name they had who was using the car 
 to get to and from work and to the store etc.  It would drop him off in 
 front of the grocery store door, he’d do his thing and come out and hit a 
 key fob that would summon the car that had parked it self and it pulled up 
 and picked him up.
 
 Never thought I’d see it in my lifetime, shocks me how far along they 
 actually are.  Google has made massive steps forward in machine vision.
 
> On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:21 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I just saw this on MacRumors and thought you guys would be interested if 
> you haven't seen it.  I sooo want to be a test driver!
> http://www.macrumors.com/2015/09/18/apple-met-california-dmv-autonomous-ve

Re: Apple car, anyone?

[Scott Granados]

Dona, the bigger question is can we afford not to have it?  Even if it’s 100K 
the point is you’ll work it out.  Whether it’s interest free loans for the 
blind or regular interest loans from the auto market you’ll make it work.  
Costs will be high at first but they will drop and they will drop quickly 
because these aren’t devices for just the blind, it’s for everyone so the mass 
market and mass production economies of scale come in to play.  Even if it’s 
100K though I for one would save up and finance what I couldn’t cover.

> On Sep 18, 2015, at 1:56 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> then the question will be can any of us afford it. :)
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:14 AM, Pete Nalda  wrote:
>> 
>> With the success Google is having, it won't be long until we see one from 
>> Apple. Google's testing here in Austin without incident. 
>> 
>> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
>> Louie P (Pete) Nalda
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>> Twitter: @lpnalda
>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:01 AM, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Dona, has anyone described to you what this prototype car looks like?  
>>> There were some photos leaked a while back, who knows since they are rumors 
>>> but they basically had a pod that had 4 wheels (it’s not a 3 wheeler like 
>>> some models) and it had no (0) windows.  Think about that for a minute.  
>>> What it did have were screens and cameras and a ton of autonomous driving 
>>> features.
>>>  You’d also be interested in what Google is doing.  They have already had 
>>> blind folks operating their autonomous vehicles for a while now.  I believe 
>>> that one of the engineers on the project is blind but I haven’t been able 
>>> to come up with a name.  I saw a special on CNBC about a year ago and can’t 
>>> recall the gentleman’s name they had who was using the car to get to and 
>>> from work and to the store etc.  It would drop him off in front of the 
>>> grocery store door, he’d do his thing and come out and hit a key fob that 
>>> would summon the car that had parked it self and it pulled up and picked 
>>> him up.
>>> 
>>> Never thought I’d see it in my lifetime, shocks me how far along they 
>>> actually are.  Google has made massive steps forward in machine vision.
>>> 
 On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:21 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 I just saw this on MacRumors and thought you guys would be interested if 
 you haven't seen it.  I sooo want to be a test driver!
 http://www.macrumors.com/2015/09/18/apple-met-california-dmv-autonomous-vehicle/?utm_source=osx&utm_medium=push&utm_campaign=front
  
 
 Cheers,
 Donna
 
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Re: Apple car, anyone?

[Scott Granados]

Bill, you have a few laws of physics that are in the way of the transporter.

First, the heisenberg uncertainty principle says that the more you try to 
determine the position of any given particle the more you impact it’s 
environment and can’t know it’s exact position.  Let’s say you solve that 
problem you then have an information problem.  The amount of information it 
would take to beam a person would take more bandwidth than has been deployed 
since the beginning of the universe.  (at least as far as we’re concerned some 
other species we don’t know of may have beat us to the punch but we have no way 
to prove that yet)  
Assuming you then solve the information problem and you solve the 
uncertainty problem you have the problem that no 2 exact copies can exist in 
the universe at any one time.  So the act of beaming would destroy the original 
and create a perfect copy in the new location.  Do to the principle of quantum 
super positioning you couldn’t have the original (you) and the copy (you 
copied) exist at the same time.  So the question you have to ask your self is 
even if I know where my particles are and even if I have enough bandwidth to 
transmit them would I want to because I wouldn’t be me, I’d be an exact copy of 
me indistinguishable from the original.  So yeah beaming could be a strange 
experience.
Note though IBM and some other companies have successfully beamed 
individual photons and basic components like that.  Having the ability to 
teleport photons would be good for quantum computers.  So there is work being 
done in this area, I’m just not sure you’ll want to jump in one to get baseball 
tickets.


> On Sep 18, 2015, at 2:32 PM, Bill Gallik  wrote:
> 
> This thread regarding ACV’s begs the question; when will the “Star Trek” 
> transporters be available?  Just think, sitting in a cafe in New York City 
> discussing the Yankees prospects and in the blink of an eye being transported 
> to the ticket line in California in time to take in an afternoon game against 
> the Angels!
> 
> The question is then, would the “reconstructed you” really be you or only a 
> clone?
> 
> Personally, I find the prospect of a safely self-driving vehicle quite 
> inviting!
> 
> - Bill & Leader Dog Holland
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VMWare.

[Sadam Ahmed]

Hi all, 

Just wondering what’s new with VMWare 8.0? 

If I do end up purchasing is there a way to set up a dedicated JAWS key? 

I remember doing this in 6.0 but even after using Sharp keys some JAWS 
functionality didn’t work in the virtual machine. 

As always thanks for any assistance. 

Yours truley, 

Sadam Ahmed 

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Re: IOS 9 impressions?

[Faisal ali]

Getting on this kind of late, but I noticed while using whats app on IOS 9, 
whats app is laggier. there’s a bit of a lag overall through out as well. Also, 
I noticed that notification sounds are not coming through consistently. This 
only happens randomly, but it definitely happens regularly. Its not as big of a 
problem, but still annoying.
> On Sep 20, 2015, at 10:26 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> For me that is very difficult to do as I can't do split tap as it's hit and 
> miss.
> On 20 Sep 2015, at 14:09, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> I just tested it again. If I split tap the shift key twice (effectively 
> triple tapping), caps lock is enabled as expected, for as many letters as I 
> want. If I triple tap with one finger, I can't get it to work. To anyone with 
> this problem: see if a double split tap (that is, touch shift with one 
> finger, then tap twice anywhere on the screen with another finger) does the 
> trick.
>> On Sep 20, 2015, at 09:04, Eileen Scrivani  wrote:
>> 
>> Alex,
>> 
>> I had this problem also, on my phone.  Triple single-finger tap to put caps 
>> lock on just does not work.  The hint clearly tells you you can do it for 
>> caps lock, but when done it is not working.  I never had issues with it in 
>> the past, only now after the IOS 9 update.I am only able to do one 
>> uppeercase letter at a time which is very annoying.
>> 
>> Eileen
>> 
>> From: Alex Hall
>> Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2015 7:11 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: IOS 9 impressions?
>> 
>> Is the bug just the phrasing of the hint then? Sighted users would double 
>> tap, VO users would triple tap. The gesture hasn't changed, only the text of 
>> the hint. The triple tap works for me, and I don't know about others. So is 
>> the problem just the changed hint? 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 20, 2015, at 04:19, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>> 
>>> You have not understood the bug at all as I too have these problems with 
>>> caps lock and I do not like it.  Even though Voice Over says tap twice on 
>>> the shift key to get caps lock.
>>> 
>>> Kawal.
>>> On 20 Sep 2015, at 01:22, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm not sure why, but I can't reproduce this. If I triple tap the shift 
>>> key, I can type multiple letters, and they're all in caps. I can then tap 
>>> shift again and return to normal. Have I misunderstood the bug?
 On Sep 19, 2015, at 19:26, Josh  wrote:
 
 Hello all following this thred,
 I wrote to report this issue to Apple and received feedback
 regarding how to work around it. There is apparently two ways and as
 one poster points out here possibly a third way. Apple support says go
 to "settings>general>accessibility>keyboard" When in keyboard they
 suggest to turn off lowercase keys. This will take some time getting
 use to as it appears to lock it in uppercase and in order to get it
 out of uppercase you have to remember to tap on the shift key. The
 alternate method that Apple recommends is to start typing the message
 and when you need to lock shift in capslock mode tap the shift key and
 get it into uppercase mode then use the roter and once you are on
 action flick up or down till you get to capslock. They say they are
 looking into it though.
 
> On 9/18/15, Eileen Scrivani  wrote:
> I had this exact problem the other day after updating.  It was on the 
> screen
> where you need to re-enter the passcode after updates are done.  It would
> take a one finger double tap to put uppercase on a single letter, but 
> could
> not do an entire string in caps.
> 
> I confess I haven’t had a reason to type and use the caps lock.  I’m using
> an IPhone 6.
> 
> Eileen
> 
> 
> From: Josh
> Sent: Friday, September 18, 2015 12:29 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: IOS 9 impressions?
> 
> What is the new way to lock upper case when typing out a text or
> something? When I do the triple tap on the shift key it does not lock
> for me. Is anyone else experiencing this?
> 
>> On 9/17/15, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> Anyone else install IOS 9 and what are your impressions?
>> 
>> I have it running now for less than 24 hours of course.  Battery drain
>> seems
>> higher but I probably need a phone restart that usually clears battery
>> issues.  I like VO saying cap and the letter now instead of uppercase or
>> capitol, and the replacement for passbook seems easy to use.  Other than
>> that not to many impressions yet.  What are you all experiencing?
>> 
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VMware.

[sadam . lists]

Hi all, 

Just wondering what’s new with VMWare 8.0? 

If I do end up purchasing is there a way to set up a dedicated JAWS key? 

I remember doing this in 6.0 but even after using Sharp keys some JAWS 
functionality didn’t work in the virtual machine. 

As always thanks for any assistance. 

Yours truley, 

Sadam Ahmed 

Sent from my 13-inch MacBook Pro 

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Re: Radium on the Mac

[Phil Halton]

It's really not so hard if you simply press VO space on that button, and then 
vo command plus tea. That brings you straight to the stations table and then 
you can interact. If you use the right finger combinations you don't even 
really have to move your left hand it's just too quick movements vo space 
followed by Vo command tea. Good luck

Sent from my IPhone


> On Sep 20, 2015, at 6:23 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> You have to be very quick pressing the button and then try to find the 
> stations list.
> At least it works for me but it is tricky so be patient.
> /A
>> 19 sep. 2015 kl. 21:13 skrev Mary Otten :
>> 
>> It has been a long time since I used radium on the Mac. I use it on my phone 
>> and my iPad quite a bit. I just went to the Mac app, which is up-to-date. I 
>> am not seeing any of the stations which I had previously saved. All I get is 
>> a scroll area that has a bunch of categories presumably for me to browse. 
>> But I'm not seeing any of my safe stations. It seems to me that this problem 
>> has been discussed before, but I don't remember what the solution was if 
>> any. I did find an unlabeled button, which I pressed with no resulting 
>> action.
>> Mary
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: system integrity protection

[Mike Arrigo]

Some may disagree with what I am about to say, and that's fine, but 
that is an example of a person who should not be using a computer, or 
at least not have admin rights.

Original message:
Both of you speak very nicely from the perspective of one who knows 
what they are doing, and are not afraid of the system.


I dated a person awhile ago who, any time a window opened on the 
screen, would panic and click ok or yes to make the box go away. She 
kept getting viruses, spyware, and other things all the time on her 
computer. This is another way of perceiving things, and it is more 
common than you might wish to believe.



David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone



On 19 Sep 2015, at 3:36 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:


I’m torn on this.  On one hand I’m glad that companies are taking 
security more seriously and are taking steps.  On the other hand, you 
make a great point do we need our hands held?  My gut says this could 
get overbearing and way to restrictive but then I see posts from people 
who probably don’t understand the ramifications asking for step by step 
directions how to turn off a feature that may not need disabling.  No 
harm in asking I just get concerned if someone doesn’t have a full 
understanding of the impact of what they are doing and does it and then 
infects others.  Maybe the way to go is the way it’s being done.  
Enable the feature, have a means to disable it but make the means to 
disable tricky enough that it requires some reading first where one 
could be informed of the risks.  I don’t know.  I’m the first to say 
don’t tell me what to do with my own hardware but I also see on a daily 
basis how much malware traffic is out there and it’s a massive amount.  
As in many things, it sounds like a balancing act.



On Sep 18, 2015, at 11:25 AM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:


Who’s happy?  Everyone, I guess, except nerds—not even the nerds who 
gave their loved ones iPads because they’re invulnerable to all the 
spyware/ransomeware/whatever that spawns all the time on Windows boxen.


It’s a trend.  I don’t think it’s a good trend, in much the same way 
that I don’t think it would be a good trend for kitchen knives to be 
blunted because you can do accidental or deliberate harm with them.  
But eh, I get it.  I can’t print “An Idiot’s Guide To Computer 
Security: every wrong move that’ll get me infected and a punch in the 
mouth” on the default printer of newly updated copies of $OS, so I’ll 
just restrain the user in a straightjacket instead.  I’ll even allow 
them to choose a colour.  Bleh.



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Re: system integrity protection

[Scott Granados]

Sounds like a girl who only knows how to say yes.  Fun!

> On Sep 21, 2015, at 10:09 AM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
> Some may disagree with what I am about to say, and that's fine, but that is 
> an example of a person who should not be using a computer, or at least not 
> have admin rights.
> Original message:
>> Both of you speak very nicely from the perspective of one who knows what 
>> they are doing, and are not afraid of the system.
> 
>> I dated a person awhile ago who, any time a window opened on the screen, 
>> would panic and click ok or yes to make the box go away. She kept getting 
>> viruses, spyware, and other things all the time on her computer. This is 
>> another way of perceiving things, and it is more common than you might wish 
>> to believe.
> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On 19 Sep 2015, at 3:36 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
>>> I’m torn on this.  On one hand I’m glad that companies are taking security 
>>> more seriously and are taking steps.  On the other hand, you make a great 
>>> point do we need our hands held?  My gut says this could get overbearing 
>>> and way to restrictive but then I see posts from people who probably don’t 
>>> understand the ramifications asking for step by step directions how to turn 
>>> off a feature that may not need disabling.  No harm in asking I just get 
>>> concerned if someone doesn’t have a full understanding of the impact of 
>>> what they are doing and does it and then infects others.  Maybe the way to 
>>> go is the way it’s being done.  Enable the feature, have a means to disable 
>>> it but make the means to disable tricky enough that it requires some 
>>> reading first where one could be informed of the risks.  I don’t know.  I’m 
>>> the first to say don’t tell me what to do with my own hardware but I also 
>>> see on a daily basis how much malware traffic is out there and it’s a 
>>> massive amount.  As in many things, it sounds like a balancing act.
> 
 On Sep 18, 2015, at 11:25 AM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  
 wrote:
> 
 Who’s happy?  Everyone, I guess, except nerds—not even the nerds who gave 
 their loved ones iPads because they’re invulnerable to all the 
 spyware/ransomeware/whatever that spawns all the time on Windows boxen.
> 
 It’s a trend.  I don’t think it’s a good trend, in much the same way that 
 I don’t think it would be a good trend for kitchen knives to be blunted 
 because you can do accidental or deliberate harm with them.  But eh, I get 
 it.  I can’t print “An Idiot’s Guide To Computer Security: every wrong 
 move that’ll get me infected and a punch in the mouth” on the default 
 printer of newly updated copies of $OS, so I’ll just restrain the user in 
 a straightjacket instead.  I’ll even allow them to choose a colour.  Bleh.
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Re: who can upgrade to El Capitan

[Mike Arrigo]

In short, if you mac can run mountain lion and above, it will be able 
to run el capitan.

Original message:

Hello all,


Where do I get the info about which Macs can upgrade to El Capitan? 
Also, how do I find out what model of computer I have. Will the Mac App 
store automatically let me know if I can upgrade or not by prompting me 
to upgrade or does the App store automatically prompt me to upgrade my 
computer even if it’s too old?



Thanks,
Christina



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Re: VMWare Fusion causes very poor battery life on Retina Macbook Pro

[Mike Arrigo]

I've heard of this happening even when using boot camp. This is one 
reason among others why I left the windows world and do everything 
using the mac O.S.

Original message:
Hi everyone, since migrating from a Macbook Air to a retina Macbook 
Pro, battery life when using Fusion has been very disappointing. 
Obviously I'd expect to take a bit of a hit, since I'm running two 
operating systems at once, but in some cases I am only getting about 
three hours. It was far better with the Air.
I'm looking for strategies to do all I can to maximise battery life as 
I enjoy having access to both operating systems at once, and would 
prefer not to Bootcamp if I can help it. Windows is my primary OS 
though, so I need to try and improve the situation.
I've gone into the virtual machine settings and have disabled graphics 
acceleration. I've also told it not to use full resolution for retina display.
I'll ask VMWare directly, but right now their support seems to be going 
through a system upgrade.
One thing in researching this issue is that it would appear VMWare 
Fusion Pro may be better at giving you control over whether the virtual 
machine uses the dedicated GPU or not, which I think is probably what's 
doing a lot of the draining.
Can anyone confirm that VMWare Fusion Pro might be a better bet in 
terms of energy consumption?

Thanks a lot.



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Re: VMWare.

[Jonathan Mosen]

Hi Sadam, there's plenty of information on the VMWare site about what's new in 
8, but predominantly it's Windows 10 and El Capitan support.
The best summary I have seen of how to get a JAWS key working in Fusion is in 
this blog post.
How to map your Mac’s CapsLock key to a NVDA or JAWS key in a Windows virtual 
machine 

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> On 22/09/2015, at 1:25 AM, Sadam Ahmed  wrote:
> 
> Hi all, 
> 
> Just wondering what’s new with VMWare 8.0? 
> 
> If I do end up purchasing is there a way to set up a dedicated JAWS key? 
> 
> I remember doing this in 6.0 but even after using Sharp keys some JAWS 
> functionality didn’t work in the virtual machine. 
> 
> As always thanks for any assistance. 
> 
> Yours truley, 
> 
> Sadam Ahmed 
> 
> Sent from my 13-inch MacBook Pro 
> 
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Cooking with terabytes

[Mary Otten]

Good old Alex has discovered a new cooking term. Did you know that when you're 
making short ribs in the slow cooker, you need to add one and a half terabytes 
of balsamic vinegar? When, when, will the folks who make the speech 
synthesizers stop trying to guess what abbreviations mean and leave it up to 
us, the human readers with the smarts, to figure it out for ourselves?
Mary

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Re: Cooking with terabytes

[E.T.]

   Hmmm. Good old Alex didn't do this to me. TB is TB. What is to 
figure out? (smiles)


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On 9/21/2015 8:49 AM, Mary Otten wrote:

Good old Alex has discovered a new cooking term. Did you know that when you're 
making short ribs in the slow cooker, you need to add one and a half terabytes 
of balsamic vinegar? When, when, will the folks who make the speech 
synthesizers stop trying to guess what abbreviations mean and leave it up to 
us, the human readers with the smarts, to figure it out for ourselves?
Mary

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Re: Cooking with terabytes

[Jeffrey Shockley]

Hi,
It looks like VoiceOver does the same thing with  the number or hash 
symbol,also known more commonly as the hashtag nowadays. I’ll explain the best 
I can.
So, for example, if you type #email #computer or any word with the number sign 
in front of it, VoiceOver reads that symbol as hashtag. This makes since in 
things like Twitter, but it does it everywhere. LOL. There are other things 
that use that symbol, and not just hashtags for social media. Crazy stuff. :)

Jeffrey
> On Sep 21, 2015, at 11:49 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Good old Alex has discovered a new cooking term. Did you know that when 
> you're making short ribs in the slow cooker, you need to add one and a half 
> terabytes of balsamic vinegar? When, when, will the folks who make the speech 
> synthesizers stop trying to guess what abbreviations mean and leave it up to 
> us, the human readers with the smarts, to figure it out for ourselves?
> Mary
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Re: Cooking with terabytes

[Scott Granados]

Hash tag is the correct name for that symbol though.  We in the US call it the 
number sign but I believe the word hash is used globally.  Might explain the 
difference.  Also terabytes or TB/S could be interchanged with table spoons but 
terabytes is correct and probably selected since it’s used commonly in 
computing yet both are correct so the original poster raises a good point.  
There aught to be modes where acronyms are used say a technical mode that 
favors terabytes and a home mode or consumer mode that favors table spoons.  Or 
if that doesn’t work some way to select the correct usage maybe based 
automatically on context.


> On Sep 21, 2015, at 12:23 PM, Jeffrey Shockley  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> It looks like VoiceOver does the same thing with  the number or hash 
> symbol,also known more commonly as the hashtag nowadays. I’ll explain the 
> best I can.
> So, for example, if you type #email #computer or any word with the number 
> sign in front of it, VoiceOver reads that symbol as hashtag. This makes since 
> in things like Twitter, but it does it everywhere. LOL. There are other 
> things that use that symbol, and not just hashtags for social media. Crazy 
> stuff. :)
> 
> Jeffrey
>> On Sep 21, 2015, at 11:49 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> Good old Alex has discovered a new cooking term. Did you know that when 
>> you're making short ribs in the slow cooker, you need to add one and a half 
>> terabytes of balsamic vinegar? When, when, will the folks who make the 
>> speech synthesizers stop trying to guess what abbreviations mean and leave 
>> it up to us, the human readers with the smarts, to figure it out for 
>> ourselves?
>> Mary
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: VMWare.

[sadam . lists]

Hi Jonathan, 

Thanks for the link and information. 

Will check it out tomorrow. 

Regards, 

Sadam Ahmed 

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> Hi Sadam, there's plenty of information on the VMWare site about what's new 
> in 8, but predominantly it's Windows 10 and El Capitan support.
> The best summary I have seen of how to get a JAWS key working in Fusion is in 
> this blog post.
> How to map your Mac’s CapsLock key to a NVDA or JAWS key in a Windows virtual 
> machine
> Jonathan Mosen
> Mosen Consulting
> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
> http://Mosen.org
> 
>> On 22/09/2015, at 1:25 AM, Sadam Ahmed  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all, 
>> 
>> Just wondering what’s new with VMWare 8.0? 
>> 
>> If I do end up purchasing is there a way to set up a dedicated JAWS key? 
>> 
>> I remember doing this in 6.0 but even after using Sharp keys some JAWS 
>> functionality didn’t work in the virtual machine. 
>> 
>> As always thanks for any assistance. 
>> 
>> Yours truley, 
>> 
>> Sadam Ahmed 
>> 
>> Sent from my 13-inch MacBook Pro 
>> 
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Re: El Kapitan.

[Terje Strømberg]

I like El Kapitan. Don’t sit and think about the OSX name while using the OSX. 

Take care

21. sep. 2015 kl. 14:44 skrev Scott Granados :

Anything would be better.  I propose OS X 10.11.  As they do with IOS they 
could just stick to the numbers.

> On Sep 18, 2015, at 5:16 PM, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
> 
> I've got a question for you guys. If you think El Capitan is a stupid name 
> for an OS, what would you rather have Apple call it? The only reason they 
> called it El Capitan is to make additions to Yosemite.
> 
> Shawn
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>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 9:32 AM, george b  wrote:
>> 
>> Hay type it in google and get all the history it is a granit peak about 3000 
>> feet tall in yousemette national park in northern California.
>> 
>> Apple changed the name of o s x from animals after mt. lion, to land marks
>> 
>> -Original Message-
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>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
>> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 12:42
>> To: Macvisionaries 
>> Subject: El Kapitan.
>> 
>> Please could someone tell me where this place El Capitan is as I've never 
>> heard of it.  Is it a small place and why do Apple choose such strange 
>> names?  I preferred the cat family.
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Re: VMWare.

[Grant]

These look like the same directions I posted to the list earlier in the year 
(https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/macvisionaries/EO_nu0uIy70). I’d agree 
this is the best method we have for now but you should be aware that this will 
disable your caps lock key in all OS X apps. I believe using Seil and 
Karabiner, there should be a way to write an XML script which would remap caps 
lock only in the VMWare app, and otherwise allow the key to work normally. If 
someone is interested in exploring this to see how well it works, I’d be 
interested to hear the results. I’ve been meaning to get around to this one day.

Grant

> On Sep 21, 2015, at 8:39:25 AM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
> 
> Hi Sadam, there's plenty of information on the VMWare site about what's new 
> in 8, but predominantly it's Windows 10 and El Capitan support.
> The best summary I have seen of how to get a JAWS key working in Fusion is in 
> this blog post.
> How to map your Mac’s CapsLock key to a NVDA or JAWS key in a Windows virtual 
> machine 
> 
> Jonathan Mosen
> Mosen Consulting
> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
> http://Mosen.org 
>> On 22/09/2015, at 1:25 AM, Sadam Ahmed > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all, 
>> 
>> Just wondering what’s new with VMWare 8.0? 
>> 
>> If I do end up purchasing is there a way to set up a dedicated JAWS key? 
>> 
>> I remember doing this in 6.0 but even after using Sharp keys some JAWS 
>> functionality didn’t work in the virtual machine. 
>> 
>> As always thanks for any assistance. 
>> 
>> Yours truley, 
>> 
>> Sadam Ahmed 
>> 
>> Sent from my 13-inch MacBook Pro 
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Re: Apple car, anyone?

[Donna Goodin]

I'm just not sure everyone will see it that way. :)
Donna
> On Sep 21, 2015, at 8:00 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Outside air is for the weak.:)  I don’t need the wind in my hair if I know 
> the car can and will survive a crash much better with out windows.  No flying 
> glass, no structural holes, no extra weight for glass.  Lots of upsides.
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 1:54 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hmm.  I'm not so sure.  For that matter, not sure I would like it much.  
>> Obviously for me the trade-off would be worth it, but if you had a choice 
>> would you want to give up driving around with the windows down.  I wouldn't.
>> Donna
>>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:06 AM, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Oh I think sited users will do just fine.  There are screens where the 
>>> windows would be so they will still be able to see outside.  It’s just now 
>>> they will have night vision and infrared as well as the regular optical 
>>> spectrum.  Depends on how good the screens are I guess.  I used to work 
>>> next to Dolby labs and got a tour once.  They had a demonstration of a 
>>> window that looked outside and then a screen mounted in the wall that 
>>> looked exactly the same shape / size as the real window and the 
>>> demonstration was you had to guess which one was real and which was a 
>>> screen.  Most people couldn’t tell the difference.  So if they have 
>>> technology like that probably sited users won’t mind if it’s a glass screen 
>>> instead of a glass window.  Only difference is you can’t roll it down.  
>>> That being said though the car would be much safer because it doesn’t have 
>>> all the cutout spots for windows and viewing areas.  You can use solid 
>>> metal panels and have a lot more rigidity and structural stability with out 
>>> the window so crashes should be safer.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:50 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 Wow, that design does sound pretty hideous. However, I don't think the 
 lack of windows will stand. I don't think cited users would put up with 
 that for a minute!
 
 It is interesting what Google has done. Always good to have choices!
 Cheers,
 Donna
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:01 AM, Scott Granados  
> wrote:
> 
> Dona, has anyone described to you what this prototype car looks like?  
> There were some photos leaked a while back, who knows since they are 
> rumors but they basically had a pod that had 4 wheels (it’s not a 3 
> wheeler like some models) and it had no (0) windows.  Think about that 
> for a minute.  What it did have were screens and cameras and a ton of 
> autonomous driving features.
> You’d also be interested in what Google is doing.  They have already had 
> blind folks operating their autonomous vehicles for a while now.  I 
> believe that one of the engineers on the project is blind but I haven’t 
> been able to come up with a name.  I saw a special on CNBC about a year 
> ago and can’t recall the gentleman’s name they had who was using the car 
> to get to and from work and to the store etc.  It would drop him off in 
> front of the grocery store door, he’d do his thing and come out and hit a 
> key fob that would summon the car that had parked it self and it pulled 
> up and picked him up.
> 
> Never thought I’d see it in my lifetime, shocks me how far along they 
> actually are.  Google has made massive steps forward in machine vision.
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:21 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I just saw this on MacRumors and thought you guys would be interested if 
>> you haven't seen it.  I sooo want to be a test driver!
>> http://www.macrumors.com/2015/09/18/apple-met-california-dmv-autonomous-vehicle/?utm_source=osx&utm_medium=push&utm_campaign=front
>>  
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
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Re: Apple car, anyone?

[Donna Goodin]

I don't know, Scott, that's a lot of $$.  some people undoubtedly will, but 
some just won't be able to.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Sep 21, 2015, at 8:03 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Dona, the bigger question is can we afford not to have it?  Even if it’s 100K 
> the point is you’ll work it out.  Whether it’s interest free loans for the 
> blind or regular interest loans from the auto market you’ll make it work.  
> Costs will be high at first but they will drop and they will drop quickly 
> because these aren’t devices for just the blind, it’s for everyone so the 
> mass market and mass production economies of scale come in to play.  Even if 
> it’s 100K though I for one would save up and finance what I couldn’t cover.
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 1:56 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> then the question will be can any of us afford it. :)
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:14 AM, Pete Nalda  wrote:
>>> 
>>> With the success Google is having, it won't be long until we see one from 
>>> Apple. Google's testing here in Austin without incident. 
>>> 
>>> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
>>> Louie P (Pete) Nalda
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>>> Facebook.com/lpnalda
>>> Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
>>> Twitter: @lpnalda
>>> 
 On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:01 AM, Scott Granados  
 wrote:
 
 Dona, has anyone described to you what this prototype car looks like?  
 There were some photos leaked a while back, who knows since they are 
 rumors but they basically had a pod that had 4 wheels (it’s not a 3 
 wheeler like some models) and it had no (0) windows.  Think about that for 
 a minute.  What it did have were screens and cameras and a ton of 
 autonomous driving features.
 You’d also be interested in what Google is doing.  They have already had 
 blind folks operating their autonomous vehicles for a while now.  I 
 believe that one of the engineers on the project is blind but I haven’t 
 been able to come up with a name.  I saw a special on CNBC about a year 
 ago and can’t recall the gentleman’s name they had who was using the car 
 to get to and from work and to the store etc.  It would drop him off in 
 front of the grocery store door, he’d do his thing and come out and hit a 
 key fob that would summon the car that had parked it self and it pulled up 
 and picked him up.
 
 Never thought I’d see it in my lifetime, shocks me how far along they 
 actually are.  Google has made massive steps forward in machine vision.
 
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> Hi all,
> 
> I just saw this on MacRumors and thought you guys would be interested if 
> you haven't seen it.  I sooo want to be a test driver!
> http://www.macrumors.com/2015/09/18/apple-met-california-dmv-autonomous-vehicle/?utm_source=osx&utm_medium=push&utm_campaign=front
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Re: Apple car, anyone?

[Scott Granados]

If apple makes it, people won’t care.  They will buy it simply because it’s 
from Apple.

:)

If apple made steak knives people would buy them just because they had a big 
apple with a bite out on the handle.

> On Sep 21, 2015, at 1:49 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> I'm just not sure everyone will see it that way. :)
> Donna
>> On Sep 21, 2015, at 8:00 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Outside air is for the weak.:)  I don’t need the wind in my hair if I know 
>> the car can and will survive a crash much better with out windows.  No 
>> flying glass, no structural holes, no extra weight for glass.  Lots of 
>> upsides.
>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 1:54 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hmm.  I'm not so sure.  For that matter, not sure I would like it much.  
>>> Obviously for me the trade-off would be worth it, but if you had a choice 
>>> would you want to give up driving around with the windows down.  I wouldn't.
>>> Donna
 On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:06 AM, Scott Granados  
 wrote:
 
 Oh I think sited users will do just fine.  There are screens where the 
 windows would be so they will still be able to see outside.  It’s just now 
 they will have night vision and infrared as well as the regular optical 
 spectrum.  Depends on how good the screens are I guess.  I used to work 
 next to Dolby labs and got a tour once.  They had a demonstration of a 
 window that looked outside and then a screen mounted in the wall that 
 looked exactly the same shape / size as the real window and the 
 demonstration was you had to guess which one was real and which was a 
 screen.  Most people couldn’t tell the difference.  So if they have 
 technology like that probably sited users won’t mind if it’s a glass 
 screen instead of a glass window.  Only difference is you can’t roll it 
 down.  That being said though the car would be much safer because it 
 doesn’t have all the cutout spots for windows and viewing areas.  You can 
 use solid metal panels and have a lot more rigidity and structural 
 stability with out the window so crashes should be safer.
 
 
 
> On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:50 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Wow, that design does sound pretty hideous. However, I don't think the 
> lack of windows will stand. I don't think cited users would put up with 
> that for a minute!
> 
> It is interesting what Google has done. Always good to have choices!
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:01 AM, Scott Granados  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Dona, has anyone described to you what this prototype car looks like?  
>> There were some photos leaked a while back, who knows since they are 
>> rumors but they basically had a pod that had 4 wheels (it’s not a 3 
>> wheeler like some models) and it had no (0) windows.  Think about that 
>> for a minute.  What it did have were screens and cameras and a ton of 
>> autonomous driving features.
>> You’d also be interested in what Google is doing.  They have already had 
>> blind folks operating their autonomous vehicles for a while now.  I 
>> believe that one of the engineers on the project is blind but I haven’t 
>> been able to come up with a name.  I saw a special on CNBC about a year 
>> ago and can’t recall the gentleman’s name they had who was using the car 
>> to get to and from work and to the store etc.  It would drop him off in 
>> front of the grocery store door, he’d do his thing and come out and hit 
>> a key fob that would summon the car that had parked it self and it 
>> pulled up and picked him up.
>> 
>> Never thought I’d see it in my lifetime, shocks me how far along they 
>> actually are.  Google has made massive steps forward in machine vision.
>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:21 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I just saw this on MacRumors and thought you guys would be interested 
>>> if you haven't seen it.  I sooo want to be a test driver!
>>> http://www.macrumors.com/2015/09/18/apple-met-california-dmv-autonomous-vehicle/?utm_source=osx&utm_medium=push&utm_campaign=front
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
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Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?

[Mary Otten]

I have been asked to substitute as a minutes take her for an upcoming meeting. 
I used to do this on a PC laptop in MS Word with complete confidence and 
competence. However, that laptop is long since gone and buried.
At this point, my choices are to use my eye pad with a Bluetooth keyboard and 
pray that I don't get bit by the Bluetooth bug in iOS 9, choosing among apps 
such as voice dream writer or the new notes app. Or I could borrow my husbands 
11 inch MacBook air, with which I am not that familiar, and use something like 
text at it. Neither prospect is exciting. I'm looking for something that is 
going to be reliable and foolproof. As in me being a fool and screwing up their 
minutes. What do people think would be the easiest thing to do the most 
foolproof thing? This is, assuming I don't get the Bluetooth bug that wipes out 
my iPad? Most about using the MacBook is hitting that darned oversized touchpad 
and ending up somewhere where I really don't want to be and not having a clue 
how to get back where I need to be in the text writing app.
Mary

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Re: Apple car, anyone?

[Scott Granados]

Not really, we spend that kind of money all the time.  We spend 3 or 4 times 
that on a house (depending on geographic area and the market).  We spend that 
on college, something as fundamental as transportation I’m sure they will.  If 
you have the job to support it or a family collectively with the income and a 
blind child don’t you think the parents would save up for long enough to set 
that child up with transportation when they get old enough?  It depends on what 
transportation is worth to you.  If you don’t need it, use public transit and 
it meets your needs you may not care, just like the sited in fact.  Lots of 
people in the center of cities don’t own cars, they don’t need them.  However, 
if you’re like the 90% of us who live outside the city center, off the public 
transit path and you need to get to work you’ll make it happen.  I’m for 
special financing for blind users and things to offset the expense for the 
poorest among us because I do believe removing the transportation barrier will 
do us all a huge amount  of good.  Also, the 6 figure price tag will almost 
certainly drop rapidly because of the sited interest.  It will be just another 
option on most cars shortly after.  Folks like Tesla and BMW will do the heavy 
lifting and the features will trickle down in to the Hondas and Fords of the 
world.  My car now will follow the lane markers, break and gas and control 
itself in traffic as it stands.  It’s not much more to go to make it work end 
to end and my car was only 56K not 100+.


> On Sep 21, 2015, at 2:00 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> I don't know, Scott, that's a lot of $$.  some people undoubtedly will, but 
> some just won't be able to.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Sep 21, 2015, at 8:03 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Dona, the bigger question is can we afford not to have it?  Even if it’s 
>> 100K the point is you’ll work it out.  Whether it’s interest free loans for 
>> the blind or regular interest loans from the auto market you’ll make it 
>> work.  Costs will be high at first but they will drop and they will drop 
>> quickly because these aren’t devices for just the blind, it’s for everyone 
>> so the mass market and mass production economies of scale come in to play.  
>> Even if it’s 100K though I for one would save up and finance what I couldn’t 
>> cover.
>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 1:56 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> then the question will be can any of us afford it. :)
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
 On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:14 AM, Pete Nalda  wrote:
 
 With the success Google is having, it won't be long until we see one from 
 Apple. Google's testing here in Austin without incident. 
 
 Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
 Louie P (Pete) Nalda
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 Facebook.com/lpnalda
 Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
 Twitter: @lpnalda
 
> On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:01 AM, Scott Granados  
> wrote:
> 
> Dona, has anyone described to you what this prototype car looks like?  
> There were some photos leaked a while back, who knows since they are 
> rumors but they basically had a pod that had 4 wheels (it’s not a 3 
> wheeler like some models) and it had no (0) windows.  Think about that 
> for a minute.  What it did have were screens and cameras and a ton of 
> autonomous driving features.
> You’d also be interested in what Google is doing.  They have already had 
> blind folks operating their autonomous vehicles for a while now.  I 
> believe that one of the engineers on the project is blind but I haven’t 
> been able to come up with a name.  I saw a special on CNBC about a year 
> ago and can’t recall the gentleman’s name they had who was using the car 
> to get to and from work and to the store etc.  It would drop him off in 
> front of the grocery store door, he’d do his thing and come out and hit a 
> key fob that would summon the car that had parked it self and it pulled 
> up and picked him up.
> 
> Never thought I’d see it in my lifetime, shocks me how far along they 
> actually are.  Google has made massive steps forward in machine vision.
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:21 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I just saw this on MacRumors and thought you guys would be interested if 
>> you haven't seen it.  I sooo want to be a test driver!
>> http://www.macrumors.com/2015/09/18/apple-met-california-dmv-autonomous-vehicle/?utm_source=osx&utm_medium=push&utm_campaign=front
>>  
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
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Re: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?

[Scott Granados]

Hi Mary,
I would go with the Mac.  It’s pretty intuitive and for what you want to do you 
could learn that in a few minutes judging by your skill and sharpness 
demonstrated on list.  Text edit is very easy to use and you could have the mac 
in sleep mode, wake it up and be right in text edit removing a lot of the pre 
navigation.  The IPAD isn’t bad but bluetooth isn’t it’s native environment.  
As you said you could get in to the weeds.  +1 on the Mac for ease of use from 
me.

> On Sep 21, 2015, at 2:06 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> I have been asked to substitute as a minutes take her for an upcoming 
> meeting. I used to do this on a PC laptop in MS Word with complete confidence 
> and competence. However, that laptop is long since gone and buried.
> At this point, my choices are to use my eye pad with a Bluetooth keyboard and 
> pray that I don't get bit by the Bluetooth bug in iOS 9, choosing among apps 
> such as voice dream writer or the new notes app. Or I could borrow my 
> husbands 11 inch MacBook air, with which I am not that familiar, and use 
> something like text at it. Neither prospect is exciting. I'm looking for 
> something that is going to be reliable and foolproof. As in me being a fool 
> and screwing up their minutes. What do people think would be the easiest 
> thing to do the most foolproof thing? This is, assuming I don't get the 
> Bluetooth bug that wipes out my iPad? Most about using the MacBook is hitting 
> that darned oversized touchpad and ending up somewhere where I really don't 
> want to be and not having a clue how to get back where I need to be in the 
> text writing app.
> Mary
> 
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IOS9 anf VO with Bluetooth keyboard On iPad 2 Air

[Kevin Gibbs]

 Guys, 

 I have noticed a strange behavior when typing in the  Notes app  with my 
Bluetooth keyboard on my iPad Air 2  after just upgrading to iOS 9.I can't 
seem to navigate by character or word through a document. I also can't   Read 
by word, line, character.Is there some setting inside  VO  that I need to 
adjust? 

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IOS9 anf VO with Bluetooth keyboard On iPad 2 Air

[Kevin Gibbs]

II just wish to add  I just wish to add that I have   Typing feedback set two 
characters and words on hardware keyboards.  But I don't seem to be getting any 
feedback at all when I type. 

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Re: IOS9 anf VO with Bluetooth keyboard On iPad 2 Air

[Terje Strømberg]

Don’t have IOS 9 or bluetooth keyboard. Have read that some users excperience 
problems and others do not. Two persons have reported that Logitech K810 works. 
Maybe 810 without the K. Don’t remember.

Take care

21. sep. 2015 kl. 20:50 skrev Kevin Gibbs :

II just wish to add  I just wish to add that I have   Typing feedback set two 
characters and words on hardware keyboards.  But I don't seem to be getting any 
feedback at all when I type. 

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IOS9 anf VO with Bluetooth keyboard On iPad 2 Air

[Kevin Gibbs]

 I'm sorry to keep adding things to this note.I do notice that I can get 
Alex to read the entire note that I have  writtwritten. But  I  can't make Alex 
stop speaking when I simply start typing. Control will make Alex stop. But 
nothing  Else will override Alex. I would expect that, once you start typing, 
Alex would stop and you would start to hear the words as you are typing them. 

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IOS9 anf VO with Bluetooth keyboard On iPad 2 Air

[Kevin Gibbs]

 I am so sorry. Ignore this entire note.   Upgrading the notes app on my 
iPhone, even though I did not upgrade it on my iPad, appears to have solved the 
problem. 

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Re: Apple car, anyone?

['Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries]

Who says you need to own the thing yourself? If you could summon one in 
10 minutes at will using an app from a fleet stored somewhere close by, 
wouldn't that suffice? Most cars sit most of the time so they should be 
a shared resource. The trouble is usually the last mile getting a taxi 
to your door or getting to the nearest bus/metro stop. A self driving 
car could eliminate that incentive for people keeping (one or more) 
vehicles parked at their house. Of course Apple would have to include 
the iClean service which makes sure any mess left by the previous 
passenger was taken care of.


CB

On 9/21/15 9:03 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

Dona, the bigger question is can we afford not to have it?  Even if it’s 100K 
the point is you’ll work it out.  Whether it’s interest free loans for the 
blind or regular interest loans from the auto market you’ll make it work.  
Costs will be high at first but they will drop and they will drop quickly 
because these aren’t devices for just the blind, it’s for everyone so the mass 
market and mass production economies of scale come in to play.  Even if it’s 
100K though I for one would save up and finance what I couldn’t cover.


On Sep 18, 2015, at 1:56 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:

then the question will be can any of us afford it. :)
Cheers,
Donna

On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:14 AM, Pete Nalda  wrote:

With the success Google is having, it won't be long until we see one from 
Apple. Google's testing here in Austin without incident.

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Facebook.com/lpnalda
Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
Twitter: @lpnalda


On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:01 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:

Dona, has anyone described to you what this prototype car looks like?  There 
were some photos leaked a while back, who knows since they are rumors but they 
basically had a pod that had 4 wheels (it’s not a 3 wheeler like some models) 
and it had no (0) windows.  Think about that for a minute.  What it did have 
were screens and cameras and a ton of autonomous driving features.
  You’d also be interested in what Google is doing.  They have already had 
blind folks operating their autonomous vehicles for a while now.  I believe 
that one of the engineers on the project is blind but I haven’t been able to 
come up with a name.  I saw a special on CNBC about a year ago and can’t recall 
the gentleman’s name they had who was using the car to get to and from work and 
to the store etc.  It would drop him off in front of the grocery store door, 
he’d do his thing and come out and hit a key fob that would summon the car that 
had parked it self and it pulled up and picked him up.

Never thought I’d see it in my lifetime, shocks me how far along they actually 
are.  Google has made massive steps forward in machine vision.


On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:21 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:

Hi all,

I just saw this on MacRumors and thought you guys would be interested if you 
haven't seen it.  I sooo want to be a test driver!
http://www.macrumors.com/2015/09/18/apple-met-california-dmv-autonomous-vehicle/?utm_source=osx&utm_medium=push&utm_campaign=front

Cheers,
Donna

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Re: Cooking with terabytes

[Jessica Moss]

Well go figure, in Alex's mind, chip, what have you, "oz," is always pronounced 
"ounces," so I wou type in "the wizard of oz" and he prnounses it "the wizard 
of ounces."

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 21, 2015, at 12:20 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   Hmmm. Good old Alex didn't do this to me. TB is TB. What is to figure out? 
> (smiles)
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
>> On 9/21/2015 8:49 AM, Mary Otten wrote:
>> Good old Alex has discovered a new cooking term. Did you know that when 
>> you're making short ribs in the slow cooker, you need to add one and a half 
>> terabytes of balsamic vinegar? When, when, will the folks who make the 
>> speech synthesizers stop trying to guess what abbreviations mean and leave 
>> it up to us, the human readers with the smarts, to figure it out for 
>> ourselves?
>> Mary
>> 
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Re: Apple car, anyone?

[Jessica Moss]

You also have to think of the fact that it's not just the price of the car we 
would be paying for; there are car payments and ensurance to think about.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 21, 2015, at 2:00 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> I don't know, Scott, that's a lot of $$.  some people undoubtedly will, but 
> some just won't be able to.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Sep 21, 2015, at 8:03 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Dona, the bigger question is can we afford not to have it?  Even if it’s 
>> 100K the point is you’ll work it out.  Whether it’s interest free loans for 
>> the blind or regular interest loans from the auto market you’ll make it 
>> work.  Costs will be high at first but they will drop and they will drop 
>> quickly because these aren’t devices for just the blind, it’s for everyone 
>> so the mass market and mass production economies of scale come in to play.  
>> Even if it’s 100K though I for one would save up and finance what I couldn’t 
>> cover.
>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 1:56 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> then the question will be can any of us afford it. :)
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
 On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:14 AM, Pete Nalda  wrote:
 
 With the success Google is having, it won't be long until we see one from 
 Apple. Google's testing here in Austin without incident. 
 
 Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
 Louie P (Pete) Nalda
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 Twitter: @lpnalda
 
> On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:01 AM, Scott Granados  
> wrote:
> 
> Dona, has anyone described to you what this prototype car looks like?  
> There were some photos leaked a while back, who knows since they are 
> rumors but they basically had a pod that had 4 wheels (it’s not a 3 
> wheeler like some models) and it had no (0) windows.  Think about that 
> for a minute.  What it did have were screens and cameras and a ton of 
> autonomous driving features.
> You’d also be interested in what Google is doing.  They have already had 
> blind folks operating their autonomous vehicles for a while now.  I 
> believe that one of the engineers on the project is blind but I haven’t 
> been able to come up with a name.  I saw a special on CNBC about a year 
> ago and can’t recall the gentleman’s name they had who was using the car 
> to get to and from work and to the store etc.  It would drop him off in 
> front of the grocery store door, he’d do his thing and come out and hit a 
> key fob that would summon the car that had parked it self and it pulled 
> up and picked him up.
> 
> Never thought I’d see it in my lifetime, shocks me how far along they 
> actually are.  Google has made massive steps forward in machine vision.
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:21 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I just saw this on MacRumors and thought you guys would be interested if 
>> you haven't seen it.  I sooo want to be a test driver!
>> http://www.macrumors.com/2015/09/18/apple-met-california-dmv-autonomous-vehicle/?utm_source=osx&utm_medium=push&utm_campaign=front
>>  
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
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Re: Apple car, anyone?

[Michael]

You mean we would have the same responsibilities a sighted person has? It's 
interesting that a lot of blind individuals want the same rights as a sighted 
person, however when it comes to the responsibilities of a sighted person it's 
whoa is me.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 21, 2015, at 12:29 PM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
> 
> You also have to think of the fact that it's not just the price of the car we 
> would be paying for; there are car payments and ensurance to think about.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 21, 2015, at 2:00 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> I don't know, Scott, that's a lot of $$.  some people undoubtedly will, but 
>> some just won't be able to.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Sep 21, 2015, at 8:03 AM, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Dona, the bigger question is can we afford not to have it?  Even if it’s 
>>> 100K the point is you’ll work it out.  Whether it’s interest free loans for 
>>> the blind or regular interest loans from the auto market you’ll make it 
>>> work.  Costs will be high at first but they will drop and they will drop 
>>> quickly because these aren’t devices for just the blind, it’s for everyone 
>>> so the mass market and mass production economies of scale come in to play.  
>>> Even if it’s 100K though I for one would save up and finance what I 
>>> couldn’t cover.
>>> 
 On Sep 18, 2015, at 1:56 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 then the question will be can any of us afford it. :)
 Cheers,
 Donna
> On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:14 AM, Pete Nalda  wrote:
> 
> With the success Google is having, it won't be long until we see one from 
> Apple. Google's testing here in Austin without incident. 
> 
> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
> Louie P (Pete) Nalda
> MySpace.com/musikonalda
> Facebook.com/lpnalda
> Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
> Twitter: @lpnalda
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:01 AM, Scott Granados  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Dona, has anyone described to you what this prototype car looks like?  
>> There were some photos leaked a while back, who knows since they are 
>> rumors but they basically had a pod that had 4 wheels (it’s not a 3 
>> wheeler like some models) and it had no (0) windows.  Think about that 
>> for a minute.  What it did have were screens and cameras and a ton of 
>> autonomous driving features.
>> You’d also be interested in what Google is doing.  They have already had 
>> blind folks operating their autonomous vehicles for a while now.  I 
>> believe that one of the engineers on the project is blind but I haven’t 
>> been able to come up with a name.  I saw a special on CNBC about a year 
>> ago and can’t recall the gentleman’s name they had who was using the car 
>> to get to and from work and to the store etc.  It would drop him off in 
>> front of the grocery store door, he’d do his thing and come out and hit 
>> a key fob that would summon the car that had parked it self and it 
>> pulled up and picked him up.
>> 
>> Never thought I’d see it in my lifetime, shocks me how far along they 
>> actually are.  Google has made massive steps forward in machine vision.
>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:21 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I just saw this on MacRumors and thought you guys would be interested 
>>> if you haven't seen it.  I sooo want to be a test driver!
>>> http://www.macrumors.com/2015/09/18/apple-met-california-dmv-autonomous-vehicle/?utm_source=osx&utm_medium=push&utm_campaign=front
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
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Re: Apple car, anyone?

[Cameron Strife]

Hi. Yes, on top of car payments, there would be insurance,
registration, yearly inspections, gas/electricity, oil changes, tires,
alignment, and the list goes on.

And yes, we'd be responsible for those costs just like a sighted
person. (And, that is how it should be!)

Cameron.



On 9/21/15, Michael  wrote:
> You mean we would have the same responsibilities a sighted person has? It's
> interesting that a lot of blind individuals want the same rights as a
> sighted person, however when it comes to the responsibilities of a sighted
> person it's whoa is me.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Sep 21, 2015, at 12:29 PM, Jessica Moss 
>> wrote:
>>
>> You also have to think of the fact that it's not just the price of the car
>> we would be paying for; there are car payments and ensurance to think
>> about.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Sep 21, 2015, at 2:00 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>>
>>> I don't know, Scott, that's a lot of $$.  some people undoubtedly will,
>>> but some just won't be able to.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
 On Sep 21, 2015, at 8:03 AM, Scott Granados 
 wrote:

 Dona, the bigger question is can we afford not to have it?  Even if it’s
 100K the point is you’ll work it out.  Whether it’s interest free loans
 for the blind or regular interest loans from the auto market you’ll make
 it work.  Costs will be high at first but they will drop and they will
 drop quickly because these aren’t devices for just the blind, it’s for
 everyone so the mass market and mass production economies of scale come
 in to play.  Even if it’s 100K though I for one would save up and
 finance what I couldn’t cover.

> On Sep 18, 2015, at 1:56 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>
> then the question will be can any of us afford it. :)
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:14 AM, Pete Nalda  wrote:
>>
>> With the success Google is having, it won't be long until we see one
>> from Apple. Google's testing here in Austin without incident.
>>
>> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
>> Louie P (Pete) Nalda
>> MySpace.com/musikonalda
>> Facebook.com/lpnalda
>> Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
>> Twitter: @lpnalda
>>
>>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:01 AM, Scott Granados
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Dona, has anyone described to you what this prototype car looks like?
>>>  There were some photos leaked a while back, who knows since they are
>>> rumors but they basically had a pod that had 4 wheels (it’s not a 3
>>> wheeler like some models) and it had no (0) windows.  Think about
>>> that for a minute.  What it did have were screens and cameras and a
>>> ton of autonomous driving features.
>>> You’d also be interested in what Google is doing.  They have already
>>> had blind folks operating their autonomous vehicles for a while now.
>>> I believe that one of the engineers on the project is blind but I
>>> haven’t been able to come up with a name.  I saw a special on CNBC
>>> about a year ago and can’t recall the gentleman’s name they had who
>>> was using the car to get to and from work and to the store etc.  It
>>> would drop him off in front of the grocery store door, he’d do his
>>> thing and come out and hit a key fob that would summon the car that
>>> had parked it self and it pulled up and picked him up.
>>>
>>> Never thought I’d see it in my lifetime, shocks me how far along they
>>> actually are.  Google has made massive steps forward in machine
>>> vision.
>>>
 On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:21 AM, Donna Goodin 
 wrote:

 Hi all,

 I just saw this on MacRumors and thought you guys would be
 interested if you haven't seen it.  I sooo want to be a test
 driver!
 http://www.macrumors.com/2015/09/18/apple-met-california-dmv-autonomous-vehicle/?utm_source=osx&utm_medium=push&utm_campaign=front


 Cheers,
 Donna

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Re: El Kapitan.

[Todor Fassl]

I think they should have called it trusty tahr.


On 09/21/2015 12:30 PM, Terje Strømberg wrote:

I like El Kapitan. Don’t sit and think about the OSX name while using the OSX.

Take care

21. sep. 2015 kl. 14:44 skrev Scott Granados :

Anything would be better.  I propose OS X 10.11.  As they do with IOS they 
could just stick to the numbers.


On Sep 18, 2015, at 5:16 PM, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:

I've got a question for you guys. If you think El Capitan is a stupid name for 
an OS, what would you rather have Apple call it? The only reason they called it 
El Capitan is to make additions to Yosemite.

Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook
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Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com


On Sep 18, 2015, at 9:32 AM, george b  wrote:

Hay type it in google and get all the history it is a granit peak about 3000 
feet tall in yousemette national park in northern California.

Apple changed the name of o s x from animals after mt. lion, to land marks

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Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 12:42
To: Macvisionaries 
Subject: El Kapitan.

Please could someone tell me where this place El Capitan is as I've never heard 
of it.  Is it a small place and why do Apple choose such strange names?  I 
preferred the cat family.

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Re: Apple car, anyone?

[Karen Lewellen]

..and how It has been for many for years.
I remember when I worked for xerox, I knew many individuals experiencing 
sight loss who owned cars.

I cannot imagine why the responsibility should be any difference.
If memory serves bMW will have some of their self driving cars on the 
roads in Canada later this year if not next.
its  a mode of transportation folks,  lots of people would rather be 
driven, electronically 
that has nothing to do with ones eye chart score.
I respect that some prefer the two sides of the same coin take on 
vision...but wonder how this serves anyone where understanding is 
concerned.  Let alone having  a large basis in reality.

 Karen


On Mon, 21 Sep 2015, Cameron Strife wrote:


Hi. Yes, on top of car payments, there would be insurance,
registration, yearly inspections, gas/electricity, oil changes, tires,
alignment, and the list goes on.

And yes, we'd be responsible for those costs just like a sighted
person. (And, that is how it should be!)

Cameron.



On 9/21/15, Michael  wrote:

You mean we would have the same responsibilities a sighted person has? It's
interesting that a lot of blind individuals want the same rights as a
sighted person, however when it comes to the responsibilities of a sighted
person it's whoa is me.

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 21, 2015, at 12:29 PM, Jessica Moss 
wrote:

You also have to think of the fact that it's not just the price of the car
we would be paying for; there are car payments and ensurance to think
about.

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 21, 2015, at 2:00 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:

I don't know, Scott, that's a lot of $$.  some people undoubtedly will,
but some just won't be able to.
Cheers,
Donna

On Sep 21, 2015, at 8:03 AM, Scott Granados 
wrote:

Dona, the bigger question is can we afford not to have it?  Even if it’s
100K the point is you’ll work it out.  Whether it’s interest free loans
for the blind or regular interest loans from the auto market you’ll make
it work.  Costs will be high at first but they will drop and they will
drop quickly because these aren’t devices for just the blind, it’s for
everyone so the mass market and mass production economies of scale come
in to play.  Even if it’s 100K though I for one would save up and
finance what I couldn’t cover.


On Sep 18, 2015, at 1:56 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:

then the question will be can any of us afford it. :)
Cheers,
Donna

On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:14 AM, Pete Nalda  wrote:

With the success Google is having, it won't be long until we see one
from Apple. Google's testing here in Austin without incident.

Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
Louie P (Pete) Nalda
MySpace.com/musikonalda
Facebook.com/lpnalda
Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
Twitter: @lpnalda


On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:01 AM, Scott Granados
 wrote:

Dona, has anyone described to you what this prototype car looks like?
 There were some photos leaked a while back, who knows since they are
rumors but they basically had a pod that had 4 wheels (it’s not a 3
wheeler like some models) and it had no (0) windows.  Think about
that for a minute.  What it did have were screens and cameras and a
ton of autonomous driving features.
You’d also be interested in what Google is doing.  They have already
had blind folks operating their autonomous vehicles for a while now.
I believe that one of the engineers on the project is blind but I
haven’t been able to come up with a name.  I saw a special on CNBC
about a year ago and can’t recall the gentleman’s name they had who
was using the car to get to and from work and to the store etc.  It
would drop him off in front of the grocery store door, he’d do his
thing and come out and hit a key fob that would summon the car that
had parked it self and it pulled up and picked him up.

Never thought I’d see it in my lifetime, shocks me how far along they
actually are.  Google has made massive steps forward in machine
vision.


On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:21 AM, Donna Goodin 
wrote:

Hi all,

I just saw this on MacRumors and thought you guys would be
interested if you haven't seen it.  I sooo want to be a test
driver!
http://www.macrumors.com/2015/09/18/apple-met-california-dmv-autonomous-vehicle/?utm_source=osx&utm_medium=push&utm_campaign=front


Cheers,
Donna

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Re: Apple car, anyone?

[Scott Granados]

You have a great point.  Tesla already has a research division that wants to do 
exactly what you’re saying and Uber now is one of the largest investors in self 
driving cars.  You could buy your train ticket on the phone, summon a ride that 
could sync up with the train schedule to bring you the rest of the way and have 
the whole thing work on your phone.
Another application are super efficient high speed freeways.  You could 
reserve lanes or have entire roads that do not allow human drivers.  The 
computers could accelerate the cars to 100 even 200 + MPH, have them operate 
with in 6 inches of each other to optimize drag and auto drive you rapidly 
around your region.  Not only do they plan to have the cars talk to each other 
so such a thing could be coordinated but inputs are available for a centralized 
control operation so some combination could allow you to slip in to a slot on a 
freeway near your town and say drive from New York to DC in an hour and a half 
(probably not needed do to mass transit) but more likely might be Still Water 
Oklahoma to Amarillo in 2 hours where population density doesn’t support public 
transit.
Combine this with the Hyper Loop project and technologies like that 
making train like travel possible at over 750 MPH well it would be like Buck 
Rogers.  I never thought I would see things like this in my life time let alone 
the next decade.






> On Sep 21, 2015, at 3:07 PM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Who says you need to own the thing yourself? If you could summon one in 10 
> minutes at will using an app from a fleet stored somewhere close by, wouldn't 
> that suffice? Most cars sit most of the time so they should be a shared 
> resource. The trouble is usually the last mile getting a taxi to your door or 
> getting to the nearest bus/metro stop. A self driving car could eliminate 
> that incentive for people keeping (one or more) vehicles parked at their 
> house. Of course Apple would have to include the iClean service which makes 
> sure any mess left by the previous passenger was taken care of.
> 
> CB
> 
> On 9/21/15 9:03 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> Dona, the bigger question is can we afford not to have it?  Even if it’s 
>> 100K the point is you’ll work it out.  Whether it’s interest free loans for 
>> the blind or regular interest loans from the auto market you’ll make it 
>> work.  Costs will be high at first but they will drop and they will drop 
>> quickly because these aren’t devices for just the blind, it’s for everyone 
>> so the mass market and mass production economies of scale come in to play.  
>> Even if it’s 100K though I for one would save up and finance what I couldn’t 
>> cover.
>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 1:56 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> then the question will be can any of us afford it. :)
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
 On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:14 AM, Pete Nalda  wrote:
 
 With the success Google is having, it won't be long until we see one from 
 Apple. Google's testing here in Austin without incident.
 
 Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
 Louie P (Pete) Nalda
 MySpace.com/musikonalda
 Facebook.com/lpnalda
 Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
 Twitter: @lpnalda
 
> On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:01 AM, Scott Granados  
> wrote:
> 
> Dona, has anyone described to you what this prototype car looks like?  
> There were some photos leaked a while back, who knows since they are 
> rumors but they basically had a pod that had 4 wheels (it’s not a 3 
> wheeler like some models) and it had no (0) windows.  Think about that 
> for a minute.  What it did have were screens and cameras and a ton of 
> autonomous driving features.
>  You’d also be interested in what Google is doing.  They have already had 
> blind folks operating their autonomous vehicles for a while now.  I 
> believe that one of the engineers on the project is blind but I haven’t 
> been able to come up with a name.  I saw a special on CNBC about a year 
> ago and can’t recall the gentleman’s name they had who was using the car 
> to get to and from work and to the store etc.  It would drop him off in 
> front of the grocery store door, he’d do his thing and come out and hit a 
> key fob that would summon the car that had parked it self and it pulled 
> up and picked him up.
> 
> Never thought I’d see it in my lifetime, shocks me how far along they 
> actually are.  Google has made massive steps forward in machine vision.
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:21 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I just saw this on MacRumors and thought you guys would be interested if 
>> you haven't seen it.  I sooo want to be a test driver!
>> http://www.macrumors.com/2015/09/18/apple-met-california-dmv-autonomous-vehicle/?utm_source=osx&utm_medium=push&utm_campaign=front
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>

Re: IOS9 anf VO with Bluetooth keyboard On iPad 2 Air

[Kevin Gibbs]

 I just powered my iPad completely down and back up again.  Apparently, that 
has restored the correct typing echo.I apologize if I have jerked you all 
around. 

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Re: Apple car, anyone?

[Scott Granados]

So you raise an interesting point, insurance should be almost 0.  This is 
because humans aren’t driving.  I can imagine a time when autonomous drivers 
are heavily incentivized by insurance rates or even a point in the distant 
future when human driving is  uninsurable to the point where human driving is 
band on many if not all roads.  Machines are always better at humans at these 
type of jobs.  They never lose focus, they don’t get drunk, they don’t have 
road rage, they don’t rubber neck, they don’t text and drive or if they do they 
have true multitasking:), they never fall asleep, and on and on.  Redundancy 
covers the failure model and it’s eventually in the future destined to be 
almost entirely automated.  If you doubt it just look at aviation today.   
Comercial aviation is almost entirely automated.  The response to the Asiana 
Air crash in San Francisco do to the disabling of the automatic landing system 
and allowing the humans to fly was for our FAA to ban human directed flight 
from Asian carriers in to San Francisco.  Flights especially on the newest air 
craft don’t even require humans to taxi and they can literally self pilot from 
gate to gate.  This is standard now, the Airbus doesn’t even have flight 
controls, it’s all glass and computers and you fly with a mouse.  We could have 
entirely pilotless aircraft today if it weren’t for the Unions and political 
pressure on the FAA.  NASA has a sky highway project to accommodate small 
flying cars that are self driving that will snap in to different lanes in the 
air for high speed local travel.  So insurance won’t be a big deal in fact it 
might b a motivator.
I invision a lot of these cars as being electric or alternate fueled so 
we’d have to revisit the operational cost model.  Maintenance should be far 
less because if they are electric vehicles they are much simpler than gas 
powered vehicles to operate and maintain.  If you buy a tesla today in most 
cases they prepare it on site like in your parking lot at work or home driveway 
with mobile service teams.
As mentioned though, if we go to a shared model like an uber the costs 
change radically, especially with out the overhead of drivers.


> On Sep 21, 2015, at 3:29 PM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
> 
> You also have to think of the fact that it's not just the price of the car we 
> would be paying for; there are car payments and ensurance to think about.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 21, 2015, at 2:00 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> I don't know, Scott, that's a lot of $$.  some people undoubtedly will, but 
>> some just won't be able to.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Sep 21, 2015, at 8:03 AM, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Dona, the bigger question is can we afford not to have it?  Even if it’s 
>>> 100K the point is you’ll work it out.  Whether it’s interest free loans for 
>>> the blind or regular interest loans from the auto market you’ll make it 
>>> work.  Costs will be high at first but they will drop and they will drop 
>>> quickly because these aren’t devices for just the blind, it’s for everyone 
>>> so the mass market and mass production economies of scale come in to play.  
>>> Even if it’s 100K though I for one would save up and finance what I 
>>> couldn’t cover.
>>> 
 On Sep 18, 2015, at 1:56 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 then the question will be can any of us afford it. :)
 Cheers,
 Donna
> On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:14 AM, Pete Nalda  wrote:
> 
> With the success Google is having, it won't be long until we see one from 
> Apple. Google's testing here in Austin without incident. 
> 
> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
> Louie P (Pete) Nalda
> MySpace.com/musikonalda
> Facebook.com/lpnalda
> Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
> Twitter: @lpnalda
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:01 AM, Scott Granados  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Dona, has anyone described to you what this prototype car looks like?  
>> There were some photos leaked a while back, who knows since they are 
>> rumors but they basically had a pod that had 4 wheels (it’s not a 3 
>> wheeler like some models) and it had no (0) windows.  Think about that 
>> for a minute.  What it did have were screens and cameras and a ton of 
>> autonomous driving features.
>> You’d also be interested in what Google is doing.  They have already had 
>> blind folks operating their autonomous vehicles for a while now.  I 
>> believe that one of the engineers on the project is blind but I haven’t 
>> been able to come up with a name.  I saw a special on CNBC about a year 
>> ago and can’t recall the gentleman’s name they had who was using the car 
>> to get to and from work and to the store etc.  It would drop him off in 
>> front of the grocery store door, he’d do his thing and come out and hit 
>> a key fob that would summon the car that had parked it self and it 
>> pulled up and picked 

Re: Apple car, anyone?

[Scott Granados]

I pay these costs now it’s just I also have the cost of a driver so my expense 
/ burn rate is higher than a sited persons.

Would love to just pay the same costs as the sited.

> On Sep 21, 2015, at 3:43 PM, Cameron Strife  wrote:
> 
> Hi. Yes, on top of car payments, there would be insurance,
> registration, yearly inspections, gas/electricity, oil changes, tires,
> alignment, and the list goes on.
> 
> And yes, we'd be responsible for those costs just like a sighted
> person. (And, that is how it should be!)
> 
> Cameron.
> 
> 
> 
> On 9/21/15, Michael  wrote:
>> You mean we would have the same responsibilities a sighted person has? It's
>> interesting that a lot of blind individuals want the same rights as a
>> sighted person, however when it comes to the responsibilities of a sighted
>> person it's whoa is me.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 21, 2015, at 12:29 PM, Jessica Moss 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> You also have to think of the fact that it's not just the price of the car
>>> we would be paying for; there are car payments and ensurance to think
>>> about.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Sep 21, 2015, at 2:00 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 I don't know, Scott, that's a lot of $$.  some people undoubtedly will,
 but some just won't be able to.
 Cheers,
 Donna
> On Sep 21, 2015, at 8:03 AM, Scott Granados 
> wrote:
> 
> Dona, the bigger question is can we afford not to have it?  Even if it’s
> 100K the point is you’ll work it out.  Whether it’s interest free loans
> for the blind or regular interest loans from the auto market you’ll make
> it work.  Costs will be high at first but they will drop and they will
> drop quickly because these aren’t devices for just the blind, it’s for
> everyone so the mass market and mass production economies of scale come
> in to play.  Even if it’s 100K though I for one would save up and
> finance what I couldn’t cover.
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 1:56 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> then the question will be can any of us afford it. :)
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:14 AM, Pete Nalda  wrote:
>>> 
>>> With the success Google is having, it won't be long until we see one
>>> from Apple. Google's testing here in Austin without incident.
>>> 
>>> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
>>> Louie P (Pete) Nalda
>>> MySpace.com/musikonalda
>>> Facebook.com/lpnalda
>>> Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
>>> Twitter: @lpnalda
>>> 
 On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:01 AM, Scott Granados
  wrote:
 
 Dona, has anyone described to you what this prototype car looks like?
 There were some photos leaked a while back, who knows since they are
 rumors but they basically had a pod that had 4 wheels (it’s not a 3
 wheeler like some models) and it had no (0) windows.  Think about
 that for a minute.  What it did have were screens and cameras and a
 ton of autonomous driving features.
 You’d also be interested in what Google is doing.  They have already
 had blind folks operating their autonomous vehicles for a while now.
 I believe that one of the engineers on the project is blind but I
 haven’t been able to come up with a name.  I saw a special on CNBC
 about a year ago and can’t recall the gentleman’s name they had who
 was using the car to get to and from work and to the store etc.  It
 would drop him off in front of the grocery store door, he’d do his
 thing and come out and hit a key fob that would summon the car that
 had parked it self and it pulled up and picked him up.
 
 Never thought I’d see it in my lifetime, shocks me how far along they
 actually are.  Google has made massive steps forward in machine
 vision.
 
> On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:21 AM, Donna Goodin 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I just saw this on MacRumors and thought you guys would be
> interested if you haven't seen it.  I sooo want to be a test
> driver!
> http://www.macrumors.com/2015/09/18/apple-met-california-dmv-autonomous-vehicle/?utm_source=osx&utm_medium=push&utm_campaign=front
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> Donna
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Rename files According to ID3 info?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I have a ton of files which are correctly tagged in their ID3 info.  The issue 
is, I really do not want to import them into ITunes for various reasons.

Each of these file names only has the name of the song.  I.E: Heartaches 
Tonight.mp3, How do you feel.mp3, What did I do.mp3, etc.  They don't list the 
track numbers in the file name, I.E: 01 - What did I do.mp3.

Short of importing these into ITunes, which I do not want to do, and for that 
mind, refuse! to do, is there any application I could get that would 
automatically grab the track number from the ID3 info of each file, and append 
the track number to the beginning of the file name?  Provided it's not super 
super expensive, I'm willing to pay, if the app isn't freeware.  I'm desperet.  
Freeware is preferred, but at this point, I'll consider a paid app as a last 
resort, if I absolutely must.

Chris.

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changing order of (known) wifi-networks

[William Windels]

Hello all,

In the preferences of the network-settings , there you can change the order of 
the known networks in the tab advanced.
This would be nice to change for me because the computer should try co connect 
first to the known networks with best quality.

I see no way with voiceover to change that order of the known networks.
drag and drop seems not to work vo+shift+m gives also no options, and citing 
and pasting isn’t working also.

Any ideas or is this not possible?

Many thx,
William 

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Re: IOS9 anf VO with Bluetooth keyboard On iPad 2 Air

[David Chittenden]

First, try turning the device off and then on again. This clears up many 
initial errors.

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> On 22 Sep 2015, at 06:41, Kevin Gibbs  wrote:
> 
> Guys, 
> 
> I have noticed a strange behavior when typing in the  Notes app  with my 
> Bluetooth keyboard on my iPad Air 2  after just upgrading to iOS 9.I 
> can't seem to navigate by character or word through a document. I also can't  
>  Read by word, line, character.Is there some setting inside  VO  that I 
> need to adjust? 
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Re: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?

[Matthew Dierckens]

Hi Mary,
This would be most efficient on your Mac, either by using text edit, or the 
native notes app on the Mac.

Matt Dierckens
Certified Assistive technology specialist
Macintosh trainer
Canadian phone: 5199629140
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> On Sep 21, 2015, at 14:06, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> I have been asked to substitute as a minutes take her for an upcoming 
> meeting. I used to do this on a PC laptop in MS Word with complete confidence 
> and competence. However, that laptop is long since gone and buried.
> At this point, my choices are to use my eye pad with a Bluetooth keyboard and 
> pray that I don't get bit by the Bluetooth bug in iOS 9, choosing among apps 
> such as voice dream writer or the new notes app. Or I could borrow my 
> husbands 11 inch MacBook air, with which I am not that familiar, and use 
> something like text at it. Neither prospect is exciting. I'm looking for 
> something that is going to be reliable and foolproof. As in me being a fool 
> and screwing up their minutes. What do people think would be the easiest 
> thing to do the most foolproof thing? This is, assuming I don't get the 
> Bluetooth bug that wipes out my iPad? Most about using the MacBook is hitting 
> that darned oversized touchpad and ending up somewhere where I really don't 
> want to be and not having a clue how to get back where I need to be in the 
> text writing app.
> Mary
> 
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Re: Finally figured out how to not have every email in a thread read to me

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Definitely not using the classic mail just the default mail.  I don't know what 
it will be like when El Capitan comes along.
On 21 Sep 2015, at 04:02, Brian Fischler  wrote:

You must be using classic mail, note this is for us non classic mail users, 
also while your method might work for you that sounds like an awful lot to do 
to see one thread, with the method I described you can quickly go through all 
subjects and delete all that do not interest you. Again there is no correct 
method just what works for you. Happy reading.
> On Sep 19, 2015, at 6:29 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> I've never had this happen to me.
> 
> What I do is open  a thread by VO space, interact, VO left to the beginning 
> of a thread and vo left and right and it reads me each individual message 
> from the person.  It does not give me lists and lists of e-mail addresses.  
> Just who the message was from and the body of the message.  If I don't like 
> the thread, I just do command W and hit the delete key and all the thread has 
> gone.
> 
> Kawal.
> On 18 Sep 2015, at 04:29, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
> 
> Hi Brian, I just wanted to thank you very much for this. This is one thing 
> that has driven me so nuts that I've almost gone back to using Outlook 
> inWindows.
> To me, having to sit through a huge list of names in a long thread before you 
> can even know what its subject is is just very bad design.
> It's a shame we have to do all this interacting and getting to the field, but 
> it's worth it on a list like this when threads can get very long.
> Jonathan Mosen
> Mosen Consulting
> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
> http://Mosen.org
> 
>> On 18/09/2015, at 11:15 AM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>> 
>> Hey all,
>> 
>> I apologize if this has been posted before as I just stumbled on to by 
>> accident. One of the things that has driven me bonkers in Yosemite mail is 
>> when you go to a thread in mac mail and every ones email address is read to 
>> you before the subject as it might not be a subject that interests you. Well 
>> today I came across a way to get around having everyones email address read 
>> to you. When going through your mail interact with the message before you 
>> open it, VO right arrow to the subject now open the message with return 
>> close it after looking at all the messages in the thread with a VO w and hit 
>> the delete key, now because you are interacting with the subject you are 
>> taken to the next message in your mailbox and none of the email addresses 
>> are read to you. The only down side is VO does not read you how many 
>> messages are in a thread but if you are like me and do not care to hear 
>> everyones email address this is the first way I found around it. Hope this 
>> helps some.
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Re: IOS9 anf VO with Bluetooth keyboard On iPad 2 Air

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Guys,

There is a bug in I O S 9 with Bluetooth.

This isn't just happening to one person.  Bluetooth with Voiceover and I O S 
9 is quite problematic.  This is a bug that myself and many others tried 
reporting to Apple during the beta cycle, but alas, they never resolved the 
issue.  Frankly, I'm not going to go into a long tyrate, nor debate about 
this.  If you  genuinely want more details, then write me off list.


clgillan...@gmail.com

All I'll say for now is, this is very typical, and doesn't surprise me, that 
they didn't fix the bug.  Read into that statement as you will.  As I said, 
write me off list if you want further details.


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "David Chittenden" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 5:23 PM
Subject: Re: IOS9 anf VO with Bluetooth keyboard On iPad 2 Air


First, try turning the device off and then on again. This clears up many 
initial errors.


David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
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Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone


On 22 Sep 2015, at 06:41, Kevin Gibbs  wrote:

Guys,

I have noticed a strange behavior when typing in the  Notes app  with my 
Bluetooth keyboard on my iPad Air 2  after just upgrading to iOS 9.I 
can't seem to navigate by character or word through a document. I also 
can't   Read by word, line, character.Is there some setting inside  VO 
that I need to adjust?


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Re: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?

[Nancy Badger]

I always use my Mac for meetings such as this. It is just easier, more reliable.

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> On Sep 21, 2015, at 2:09 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mary,
> I would go with the Mac.  It’s pretty intuitive and for what you want to do 
> you could learn that in a few minutes judging by your skill and sharpness 
> demonstrated on list.  Text edit is very easy to use and you could have the 
> mac in sleep mode, wake it up and be right in text edit removing a lot of the 
> pre navigation.  The IPAD isn’t bad but bluetooth isn’t it’s native 
> environment.  As you said you could get in to the weeds.  +1 on the Mac for 
> ease of use from me.
> 
>> On Sep 21, 2015, at 2:06 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> I have been asked to substitute as a minutes take her for an upcoming 
>> meeting. I used to do this on a PC laptop in MS Word with complete 
>> confidence and competence. However, that laptop is long since gone and 
>> buried.
>> At this point, my choices are to use my eye pad with a Bluetooth keyboard 
>> and pray that I don't get bit by the Bluetooth bug in iOS 9, choosing among 
>> apps such as voice dream writer or the new notes app. Or I could borrow my 
>> husbands 11 inch MacBook air, with which I am not that familiar, and use 
>> something like text at it. Neither prospect is exciting. I'm looking for 
>> something that is going to be reliable and foolproof. As in me being a fool 
>> and screwing up their minutes. What do people think would be the easiest 
>> thing to do the most foolproof thing? This is, assuming I don't get the 
>> Bluetooth bug that wipes out my iPad? Most about using the MacBook is 
>> hitting that darned oversized touchpad and ending up somewhere where I 
>> really don't want to be and not having a clue how to get back where I need 
>> to be in the text writing app.
>> Mary
>> 
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Re: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?

[David Chittenden]

As I am extremely proficient with braille screen input, I actually use my 
iPhone or iPad for taking notes in meetings. I use a bluetooth earpiece for 
audio feedback (words) as a double-check (something I even need when typing). I 
am quicker and more accurate with braille.

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> On 22 Sep 2015, at 11:11, Nancy Badger  wrote:
> 
> I always use my Mac for meetings such as this. It is just easier, more 
> reliable.
> 
> Nancy Badger, Ph.D
> Assistant Vice Chancellor, Student Services
> UT Chattanooga
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> 
>> On Sep 21, 2015, at 2:09 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Mary,
>> I would go with the Mac.  It’s pretty intuitive and for what you want to do 
>> you could learn that in a few minutes judging by your skill and sharpness 
>> demonstrated on list.  Text edit is very easy to use and you could have the 
>> mac in sleep mode, wake it up and be right in text edit removing a lot of 
>> the pre navigation.  The IPAD isn’t bad but bluetooth isn’t it’s native 
>> environment.  As you said you could get in to the weeds.  +1 on the Mac for 
>> ease of use from me.
>> 
>>> On Sep 21, 2015, at 2:06 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have been asked to substitute as a minutes take her for an upcoming 
>>> meeting. I used to do this on a PC laptop in MS Word with complete 
>>> confidence and competence. However, that laptop is long since gone and 
>>> buried.
>>> At this point, my choices are to use my eye pad with a Bluetooth keyboard 
>>> and pray that I don't get bit by the Bluetooth bug in iOS 9, choosing among 
>>> apps such as voice dream writer or the new notes app. Or I could borrow my 
>>> husbands 11 inch MacBook air, with which I am not that familiar, and use 
>>> something like text at it. Neither prospect is exciting. I'm looking for 
>>> something that is going to be reliable and foolproof. As in me being a fool 
>>> and screwing up their minutes. What do people think would be the easiest 
>>> thing to do the most foolproof thing? This is, assuming I don't get the 
>>> Bluetooth bug that wipes out my iPad? Most about using the MacBook is 
>>> hitting that darned oversized touchpad and ending up somewhere where I 
>>> really don't want to be and not having a clue how to get back where I need 
>>> to be in the text writing app.
>>> Mary
>>> 
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downloading from dropbox

[Stacey Robinson]

Hello all,
I have a link from dropbox that I want to download.
It’s an mp4 file. If I click on it, it just wants to play.
I’m using an eleven inch macbook air.

Blessings,
Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.

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Re: downloading from dropbox

[Gabe Griffith]

Hi,

You should be able to arrow or tab to a pause button. You can then bring up the 
context menu by pressing shif+VO+m. You can then arrow down and there should be 
an option that says something like download video. Click on that and your 
dropbox file should download.

regards,

Gabe


On Sep 21, 2015, at 4:34 PM, Stacey Robinson  wrote:

> Hello all,
> I have a link from dropbox that I want to download.
> It’s an mp4 file. If I click on it, it just wants to play.
> I’m using an eleven inch macbook air.
> 
> Blessings,
> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
>   
> mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
> 
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Re: Finally figured out how to not have every email in a thread read to me

[Chris Moore]

Hello,
Thanks to helpful comments in this and other threads, I’ve just started using 
classic view and have discovered the following:
1.  You can move the horizontal splitter out of the way by interacting with the 
percentage slider.  No need to figure out how to drag it out of the way with 
the mouse or trackPad.

2. Once you interact with the message list you can move the subject header to 
the left of the from header using the VO drag and drop commands.

3.  Reading the messages can be done with VO + j and VO + j a second time to 
return to the list.

4.  If you have messaged organized by conversation, the right and left arrows 
expand and contract the messages within the conversation.

5.  While interacting with the message table, move between columns with VO + 
right/left and move up and down with up/down keys.  The nice thing about this 
is that you can focus on the subject column and quickly browse the topics with 
the up/down arrow keys, and only the subjects are announced by VO.

Chris

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Re: reading braille until the bard returns

[Chris Moore]

Can you download the brf files from bard to your mac and transfer them to you 
braille display?
Chris
> On Sep 20, 2015, at 12:33 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
> 
> Hi all. So I have this new braille display, and would love to read... But 
> BARD Mobile hasn't been updated in years, and I don't have a bookshare 
> membership or anymore. So now, have can I read book in braille format? I 
> would read them in iBooks or something, but iOS does not support style info, 
> like italics, which is pretty necessary in some newer books. So, any 
> suggestions? Should I just give up on braille format and just deal with 
> iBooks? 
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Re: downloading from dropbox

[Jim Gatteys]

hi!
don't know if it still works but Believe so.  Option-enter will automatically 
start the download.
Jim

> On Sep 21, 2015, at 7:09 PM, Gabe Griffith  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> You should be able to arrow or tab to a pause button. You can then bring up 
> the context menu by pressing shif+VO+m. You can then arrow down and there 
> should be an option that says something like download video. Click on that 
> and your dropbox file should download.
> 
> regards,
> 
> Gabe
> 
> 
> On Sep 21, 2015, at 4:34 PM, Stacey Robinson  wrote:
> 
>> Hello all,
>> I have a link from dropbox that I want to download.
>> It’s an mp4 file. If I click on it, it just wants to play.
>> I’m using an eleven inch macbook air.
>> 
>> Blessings,
>> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.

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Re: reading braille until the bard returns

[Devin Prater]

No. The Mac cannot use the MTP protocol, so the mac does not work with the 
braille display through USB. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 21, 2015, at 7:58 PM, Chris Moore  wrote:
> 
> Can you download the brf files from bard to your mac and transfer them to you 
> braille display?
> Chris
>> On Sep 20, 2015, at 12:33 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all. So I have this new braille display, and would love to read... But 
>> BARD Mobile hasn't been updated in years, and I don't have a bookshare 
>> membership or anymore. So now, have can I read book in braille format? I 
>> would read them in iBooks or something, but iOS does not support style info, 
>> like italics, which is pretty necessary in some newer books. So, any 
>> suggestions? Should I just give up on braille format and just deal with 
>> iBooks? 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Bluetooth keyboards and commands for iPad

[Mary Otten]

I saw a list of Bluetooth keyboards commands that they did from iOS 7 I 
believe. I wonder if there is something newer. I know there are many new 
commands in iOS nine, but apparently the popovers that show these are not 
accessible to us. Not too helpful there, Apple.also I wonder if anyone still 
makes a full-size Bluetooth keyboard that works with Apple devices. Matt Ally 
used to make one, but I haven't seen it around lately in the Mac store. I have 
an Apple keyboard, but it's missing a control key to the right of the . Also I 
wonder if anyone still makes a full-size Bluetooth keyboard that works with 
Apple devices. Mac Ally used to make one, but I haven't seen it around lately 
in the Mac store. I have an Apple keyboard, but it's missing a control key to 
the right of the spacebar.. I hate that. So I'm looking for something that 
is full-size if it still exists.
Mary

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Re: Apple car, anyone?

[William Gallik]

It is already fact that insurance companies are anticipating this development 
and will require people operating their own vehicles manually to pay much 
higher premiums. As such, you can bet that autonomously controlled vehicles 
will become the rule and not the exception. The's, the cost of said vehicles 
will most assuredly drop too much more reasonable and affordable levels.

– Bill and a leader dog Holland 

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Re: Dropbox on Mac (was: Scanning text on the MAC)

[William Gallik]

Eileen,

Like you, I am in transition from Windows to Mac. One thing I have done to help 
this along is to migrate one activity at a time from the windows PC to my Mac. 
For instance, I have my Gmail going to my mac rather than to windows. There are 
other examples, but I don't want to bore anybody with the details. But I'm sure 
you get the idea.

The point is, you don't have to do everything at one time. Just get comfortable 
was one activity and then after you become comfortable with it, migrate 
something else.
– Bill and leader dog Holland

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looking for tips on cleaning up old muffled audio using Amadeus Pro

[Michael Marshall]

hey listers,
Today I received an old 1990s News broadcast from BBC radio witch was recorded 
on a very cheep tape recorder.
The audio is extremely muffled and i'm trying to at least salvaged it.
are there any equalisation of filters that I can run on this clip to make it 
more listenable? I realised there is not a lot I can do in regard to the audio 
clarity but i would like to do something.
any help would be great.

Michael

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