Re: Uh, guys? We've got a problem with KNFB Reader for I O S.

[Michael Babcock]

seems to be a bug; as if you go to settings and change the default reading 
rate, once you close KNFB out of the app switcher the speaking rate returns to 
20%
The way i’ve found to get around this is to either #1 adjust reading rate when 
first opening app (not ideal but doable)
or #2, just keep knob in the app switcher and it seems to work when you don’t 
close it.
best.

Michael Babcock
Your Blind Digital Marketing Partner.
@payown on periscope and twitter.
http://yourownpay.com/ 



> On Oct 22, 2015, at 7:34 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I, too, am experiencing this problem.  
> 
> The thing is, I don't see how to set a new default speech rate.  If such a 
> mechanism exists, then we'd be in business.  
> 
> Was it possible to set a new speech rate previously?
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jamie Pauls
> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 4:44 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Uh, guys? We've got a problem with KNFB Reader for I O S.
> 
> It's actually 20% and it seems to reset itself each time. I'm calling this a 
> major bug.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 22, 2015, at 6:06 PM, Chris Gilland  wrote:
>> 
>> Guys, we have a problem.
>> 
>> I just opened up the KNFB Reader app on my IPhone 6S, and went to scan a 
>> document.  The scan was fine, considering the content I was scanning, 
>> however the female voice that reads the material was obviously on Ambian or 
>> something, as she was so darn slow that it wasn't funny!  Put your Iphone to 
>> about 10% speaking rate... there you pretty much have it.
>> 
>> How in the world do I adjust this?
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
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Re: El capitan installation disk does not work.

[E.T.]

   FWIW, I created the El Capitan installer with DiskMaker X today and 
was able to boot from it.


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On 10/22/2015 2:21 PM, Anders Holmberg wrote:

Hi!
Intresting.
THen i have to try to do it via the terminal.
Thanks for confirming this Chris.

/A

21 okt. 2015 kl. 20:36 skrev Christopher-Mark Gilland :

I actually had that same issue when I tried making a disk with the Disk Maker X 
Utility, so, though I don't know what's wrong, I can confirm that I've been 
able in the past to reproduce that same thing.

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Anders Holmberg" 
To: "'Eleanor Roberts' via MacVisionaries" 
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 2:22 PM
Subject: El capitan installation disk does not work.


Hi!
I really don’t know whats up but i seem to not be able to boot on the el 
capitan disks i make with diskmaker x.
I can not boot from the usb drive i have from either startup disk  or by 
pressing the option key and selecting the disk.
When i do i get into recovery mode.
The disk is formated as mac extended journal and as guid partition.
I wonder if the downloaded proram is corrupt.
/A

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Re: Cereproc And El Capitan, Very Disappointing

[Singing Sparrow]

what is actually wrong with using the voices?

On 10/22/2015 10:42 PM, Shawn Krasniuk wrote:

Hi Matt. Do you have his email address or would you like me to give it to you?

Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook
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Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
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On Oct 22, 2015, at 6:50 PM, Matthew Dierckens  wrote:

Sean, I am also experiencing the same issue with Cereproc Nathan. I am going to 
contact Graham immediately.

Matt Dierckens
Certified Assistive technology specialist
Macintosh trainer
Canadian phone: 5199629140
U.S. Phone: 5734011018
Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 22, 2015, at 18:06, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:

Chris, that wasn't rude at all. That is a valid question. A question that I 
don't know the answer to, but a friend of mine said that companies don't like 
giving refunds if they can fix issues. We'll just have to wait and see. They're 
from Scotland so I'll know if they'll give me a refund or not tomorrow.

Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook
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Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com


On Oct 22, 2015, at 4:47 PM, Chris Gilland  wrote:

I'm not purposely trying to be rude, but what makes you think that they would 
not give you a refund?

Thanks.

Chris.





On October 22, 2015 5:35:47 PM Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:

Hi all. Well I'm not a really happy camper. This will probably solidify the 
points that Sabahattin stated about these voices a few months ago, but anyway, 
I'm in contact with a guy from Cereproc named Graham Leary. Since El Capitan is 
no longer in beta, I was able to tell him my issues that I've been having with 
these voices and asked if there was an update to them. He said that there was, 
and since I purchased an upgrade and support for a voice for a year, I was able 
to update one of them, Nathan. Anyway I updated Nathan thinking that the issue 
would be fixed. Sadly though, it wasn't, and the voice is still unusable with 
Voiceover. He'll say his name when I select him in the speech rotor but that's 
it. I kinda feel like a chump now because I wasted 17 pounds 99 which 
translates into $35 Canadian thinking that the issue would be fixed. So I told 
Graham to either fix the issues or give me my money back. I hope they'll at 
least fix the issue because I highly doubt they'll give me a refund. So as 
Sabahattin stated, stick to either the Apple voices, Nuance or Acapela, and 
from my personal experience, don't buy from a TTS company that makes you buy 
upgrades to every voice.

Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook
Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
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Re: Cereproc And El Capitan, Very Disappointing

[Shawn Krasniuk]

Hi Matt. Do you have his email address or would you like me to give it to you?

Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook
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> On Oct 22, 2015, at 6:50 PM, Matthew Dierckens  wrote:
> 
> Sean, I am also experiencing the same issue with Cereproc Nathan. I am going 
> to contact Graham immediately.
> 
> Matt Dierckens
> Certified Assistive technology specialist
> Macintosh trainer
> Canadian phone: 5199629140
> U.S. Phone: 5734011018
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 22, 2015, at 18:06, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
>> 
>> Chris, that wasn't rude at all. That is a valid question. A question that I 
>> don't know the answer to, but a friend of mine said that companies don't 
>> like giving refunds if they can fix issues. We'll just have to wait and see. 
>> They're from Scotland so I'll know if they'll give me a refund or not 
>> tomorrow.
>> 
>> Shawn
>> Sent From My White MacBook
>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
>> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
>> 
>>> On Oct 22, 2015, at 4:47 PM, Chris Gilland  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm not purposely trying to be rude, but what makes you think that they 
>>> would not give you a refund?
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> Chris.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On October 22, 2015 5:35:47 PM Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
 
 Hi all. Well I'm not a really happy camper. This will probably solidify 
 the points that Sabahattin stated about these voices a few months ago, but 
 anyway, I'm in contact with a guy from Cereproc named Graham Leary. Since 
 El Capitan is no longer in beta, I was able to tell him my issues that 
 I've been having with these voices and asked if there was an update to 
 them. He said that there was, and since I purchased an upgrade and support 
 for a voice for a year, I was able to update one of them, Nathan. Anyway I 
 updated Nathan thinking that the issue would be fixed. Sadly though, it 
 wasn't, and the voice is still unusable with Voiceover. He'll say his name 
 when I select him in the speech rotor but that's it. I kinda feel like a 
 chump now because I wasted 17 pounds 99 which translates into $35 Canadian 
 thinking that the issue would be fixed. So I told Graham to either fix the 
 issues or give me my money back. I hope they'll at least fix the issue 
 because I highly doubt they'll give me a refund. So as Sabahattin stated, 
 stick to either the Apple voices, Nuance or Acapela, and from my personal 
 experience, don't buy from a TTS company that makes you buy upgrades to 
 every voice.
 
 Shawn
 Sent From My White MacBook
 Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
 Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
 Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
 Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
 
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Re: Uh, guys? We've got a problem with KNFB Reader for I O S.

[Eileen Scrivani]

I’m not sure exactly when it started in the KFB Reader, but I suspect it was 
with the release of IOS 9.  At that time I needed to use a web site for a 
purchase and when prompted to update my credit card info (i.e. experation month 
and year) using picker buttons, it would not work.  Other people on the 
IDevices list said they have had the problem with the picker buttons ... same 
type of thing as in KFB Reader where you need to double tap then flick up/down 
to change/select a value.  Its just not working.

In all honesty, I have not had a reason to try updating credit card info again, 
but I doubt its been fixed since so many other things are working crappily.  

Eileen

From: M. Taylor 
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 10:34 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Uh, guys? We've got a problem with KNFB Reader for I O S.

Hello,

I, too, am experiencing this problem.  

The thing is, I don't see how to set a new default speech rate.  If such a 
mechanism exists, then we'd be in business.  

Was it possible to set a new speech rate previously?

Mark


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Jamie Pauls
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 4:44 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Uh, guys? We've got a problem with KNFB Reader for I O S.

It's actually 20% and it seems to reset itself each time. I'm calling this a 
major bug.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 22, 2015, at 6:06 PM, Chris Gilland  wrote:
> 
> Guys, we have a problem.
> 
> I just opened up the KNFB Reader app on my IPhone 6S, and went to scan a 
> document.  The scan was fine, considering the content I was scanning, however 
> the female voice that reads the material was obviously on Ambian or 
> something, as she was so darn slow that it wasn't funny!  Put your Iphone to 
> about 10% speaking rate... there you pretty much have it.
> 
> How in the world do I adjust this?
> 
> Chris.
> 
> 
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Re: Uh, guys? We've got a problem with KNFB Reader for I O S.

[Jamie Pauls]

Yes. This problem occurred relatively recently. Not sure exactly when, but I’d 
say within the last week or so.



Take care and have a great day.
Jamie Pauls
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> On Oct 22, 2015, at 9:34 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I, too, am experiencing this problem.  
> 
> The thing is, I don't see how to set a new default speech rate.  If such a 
> mechanism exists, then we'd be in business.  
> 
> Was it possible to set a new speech rate previously?
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jamie Pauls
> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 4:44 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Uh, guys? We've got a problem with KNFB Reader for I O S.
> 
> It's actually 20% and it seems to reset itself each time. I'm calling this a 
> major bug.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 22, 2015, at 6:06 PM, Chris Gilland  wrote:
>> 
>> Guys, we have a problem.
>> 
>> I just opened up the KNFB Reader app on my IPhone 6S, and went to scan a 
>> document.  The scan was fine, considering the content I was scanning, 
>> however the female voice that reads the material was obviously on Ambian or 
>> something, as she was so darn slow that it wasn't funny!  Put your Iphone to 
>> about 10% speaking rate... there you pretty much have it.
>> 
>> How in the world do I adjust this?
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> 
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RE: Uh, guys? We've got a problem with KNFB Reader for I O S.

[M. Taylor]

Hello,

I, too, am experiencing this problem.  

The thing is, I don't see how to set a new default speech rate.  If such a 
mechanism exists, then we'd be in business.  

Was it possible to set a new speech rate previously?

Mark


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Jamie Pauls
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 4:44 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Uh, guys? We've got a problem with KNFB Reader for I O S.

It's actually 20% and it seems to reset itself each time. I'm calling this a 
major bug.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 22, 2015, at 6:06 PM, Chris Gilland  wrote:
> 
> Guys, we have a problem.
> 
> I just opened up the KNFB Reader app on my IPhone 6S, and went to scan a 
> document.  The scan was fine, considering the content I was scanning, however 
> the female voice that reads the material was obviously on Ambian or 
> something, as she was so darn slow that it wasn't funny!  Put your Iphone to 
> about 10% speaking rate... there you pretty much have it.
> 
> How in the world do I adjust this?
> 
> Chris.
> 
> 
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RE: Microsoft office 2016 for mac

[george b]

Go to

www.microsoft.com/office

you look on that page and you can find the links to buy the office suites.

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On Behalf Of denise avant
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 18:17
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Microsoft office 2016 for mac

Hello all,
I am trying to find a direct link to purchase office 2016 for mac. Does anyone 
have it? Do I have to purchase Microsoft 365 to use from the web or is there an 
app I purchase to download to my Mac? thanks for any assistance.

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Microsoft office 2016 for mac

[denise avant]

Hello all,
I am trying to find a direct link to purchase office 2016 for mac. Does anyone 
have it? Do I have to purchase Microsoft 365 to use from the web or is there an 
app I purchase to download to my Mac? thanks for any assistance.

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Re: Uh, guys? We've got a problem with KNFB Reader for I O S.

[Rod Skene]

LOL! Thank you for making me laugh with that slow spelling of nothing. I needed 
that tonight! thank you again

Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse any errors.

> On Oct 22, 2015, at 6:57 PM, Eileen Scrivani  wrote:
> 
> Yes, exactly the same problem I was having with it this afternoon while 
> trying to scan a few pages from a book.  The number for speed kept saying 20% 
> and when I tried to tap  and then flick up/down it would do “N.O.T.H.I.N.G.”
>  
>  
>  
> From: Jamie Pauls
> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 7:43 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Uh, guys? We've got a problem with KNFB Reader for I O S.
>  
> It's actually 20% and it seems to reset itself each time. I'm calling this a 
> major bug.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Oct 22, 2015, at 6:06 PM, Chris Gilland  wrote:
> > 
> > Guys, we have a problem.
> > 
> > I just opened up the KNFB Reader app on my IPhone 6S, and went to scan a 
> > document.  The scan was fine, considering the content I was scanning, 
> > however the female voice that reads the material was obviously on Ambian or 
> > something, as she was so darn slow that it wasn't funny!  Put your Iphone 
> > to about 10% speaking rate... there you pretty much have it.
> > 
> > How in the world do I adjust this?
> > 
> > Chris.
> > 
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Re: Cereproc And El Capitan, Very Disappointing

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi!

I have never been impressed with Cereproc and their voices, so I can't say this 
is very surprising they do not work, at least at the moment. Years ago when I 
first tried them they barely worked, either, and contacting them didn't really 
resolve anything except they said they would look into it. It's unfortunate, 
since I like having a lot of choices, but Ivona said the same  thing to me two 
years ago.

Here's to hoping! 🍻

Nicolai
> On Oct 22, 2015, at 7:21 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> Yeah, they needed to update these to work with System Integrity Protection, 
> but the voices themselves are pretty useless. :(
> 
> I’m prepared to give them the benefit of the doubt since they’re clearly not 
> an Apple firm, but I still stand by my earlier recommendation.  It’s just not 
> worth it.  In fact, I’m finding that I no longer install voices for the 
> language until I really require them, sticking only to the default enhanced 
> voice and Alex exclusively.  I think this probably just means you’ll get the 
> best experience with the chosen system default voices which can easily be 
> accessed with VoiceOver Utility.
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Re: Uh, guys? We've got a problem with KNFB Reader for I O S.

[Eileen Scrivani]

Yes, exactly the same problem I was having with it this afternoon while trying 
to scan a few pages from a book.  The number for speed kept saying 20% and when 
I tried to tap  and then flick up/down it would do “N.O.T.H.I.N.G.”



From: Jamie Pauls 
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 7:43 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Uh, guys? We've got a problem with KNFB Reader for I O S.

It's actually 20% and it seems to reset itself each time. I'm calling this a 
major bug.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 22, 2015, at 6:06 PM, Chris Gilland  wrote:
> 
> Guys, we have a problem.
> 
> I just opened up the KNFB Reader app on my IPhone 6S, and went to scan a 
> document.  The scan was fine, considering the content I was scanning, however 
> the female voice that reads the material was obviously on Ambian or 
> something, as she was so darn slow that it wasn't funny!  Put your Iphone to 
> about 10% speaking rate... there you pretty much have it.
> 
> How in the world do I adjust this?
> 
> Chris.
> 
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Re: Cereproc And El Capitan, Very Disappointing

[Matthew Dierckens]

Sean, I am also experiencing the same issue with Cereproc Nathan. I am going to 
contact Graham immediately.

Matt Dierckens
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> On Oct 22, 2015, at 18:06, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
> 
> Chris, that wasn't rude at all. That is a valid question. A question that I 
> don't know the answer to, but a friend of mine said that companies don't like 
> giving refunds if they can fix issues. We'll just have to wait and see. 
> They're from Scotland so I'll know if they'll give me a refund or not 
> tomorrow.
> 
> Shawn
> Sent From My White MacBook
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> 
>> On Oct 22, 2015, at 4:47 PM, Chris Gilland  wrote:
>> 
>> I'm not purposely trying to be rude, but what makes you think that they 
>> would not give you a refund?
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On October 22, 2015 5:35:47 PM Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all. Well I'm not a really happy camper. This will probably solidify the 
>>> points that Sabahattin stated about these voices a few months ago, but 
>>> anyway, I'm in contact with a guy from Cereproc named Graham Leary. Since 
>>> El Capitan is no longer in beta, I was able to tell him my issues that I've 
>>> been having with these voices and asked if there was an update to them. He 
>>> said that there was, and since I purchased an upgrade and support for a 
>>> voice for a year, I was able to update one of them, Nathan. Anyway I 
>>> updated Nathan thinking that the issue would be fixed. Sadly though, it 
>>> wasn't, and the voice is still unusable with Voiceover. He'll say his name 
>>> when I select him in the speech rotor but that's it. I kinda feel like a 
>>> chump now because I wasted 17 pounds 99 which translates into $35 Canadian 
>>> thinking that the issue would be fixed. So I told Graham to either fix the 
>>> issues or give me my money back. I hope they'll at least fix the issue 
>>> because I highly doubt they'll give me a refund. So as Sabahattin stated, 
>>> stick to either the Apple voices, Nuance or Acapela, and from my personal 
>>> experience, don't buy from a TTS company that makes you buy upgrades to 
>>> every voice.
>>> 
>>> Shawn
>>> Sent From My White MacBook
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Re: Uh, guys? We've got a problem with KNFB Reader for I O S.

[Jamie Pauls]

It's actually 20% and it seems to reset itself each time. I'm calling this a 
major bug.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 22, 2015, at 6:06 PM, Chris Gilland  wrote:
> 
> Guys, we have a problem.
> 
> I just opened up the KNFB Reader app on my IPhone 6S, and went to scan a 
> document.  The scan was fine, considering the content I was scanning, however 
> the female voice that reads the material was obviously on Ambian or 
> something, as she was so darn slow that it wasn't funny!  Put your Iphone to 
> about 10% speaking rate... there you pretty much have it.
> 
> How in the world do I adjust this?
> 
> Chris.
> 
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Re: Cereproc And El Capitan, Very Disappointing

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

Yeah, they needed to update these to work with System Integrity Protection, but 
the voices themselves are pretty useless. :(

I’m prepared to give them the benefit of the doubt since they’re clearly not an 
Apple firm, but I still stand by my earlier recommendation.  It’s just not 
worth it.  In fact, I’m finding that I no longer install voices for the 
language until I really require them, sticking only to the default enhanced 
voice and Alex exclusively.  I think this probably just means you’ll get the 
best experience with the chosen system default voices which can easily be 
accessed with VoiceOver Utility.

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Re: From Yosemite to El Capitan and Back: One New User's Story

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

Well, speak for yourselves.  Everybody is, of course, different and has 
different preferences.  I know that, given the choice to use classic view over 
the “Modern” view, I would ordinarily choose the classic view, for all the 
flexibility it gives me.  It isn’t for everyone and I can see how the modern 
view might fit certain workflows, but I like granularity and efficiency over 
the convenience of a single-window display.

I’m using the modern view now to overcome the slowness of classic.  I have made 
a note to try MailMate, as a solution to the gradual degradation of Mail on OS 
X.  Using the modern view is tolerable but there’s no way I’ll be as happy 
using this method in the long-term—not even with the preview pane on, which 
brings a fresh set of problems with it.

It is worth noting that the classic view has been supported since Lion; that’s 
five releases now.  When do you think Apple will drop it?  On the other hand, 
when do you think Apple will fix it?

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Re: Uh, guys? We've got a problem with KNFB Reader for I O S.

[Ray Foret Jr]

I noticed exactly the same thing.  On the very right, there is a slider that 
let's you adjust the speaking rate.  However, I noticed that, every time I open 
the KNFB reader, the speed goes back to 20% (twenty percent).  That means that 
I have to adjust it every single time.  It makes no difference whether I adjust 
it in the settings menu or on the fly.

Y'all, this has just got to be fixed.


Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!

Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in!!!

> On Oct 22, 2015, at 6:06 PM, Chris Gilland  wrote:
> 
> Guys, we have a problem.
> 
> I just opened up the KNFB Reader app on my IPhone 6S, and went to scan a 
> document.  The scan was fine, considering the content I was scanning, however 
> the female voice that reads the material was obviously on Ambian or 
> something, as she was so darn slow that it wasn't funny!  Put your Iphone to 
> about 10% speaking rate... there you pretty much have it.
> 
> How in the world do I adjust this?
> 
> Chris.
> 
> 
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Uh, guys? We've got a problem with KNFB Reader for I O S.

[Chris Gilland]

Guys, we have a problem.

I just opened up the KNFB Reader app on my IPhone 6S, and went to scan a 
document.  The scan was fine, considering the content I was scanning, 
however the female voice that reads the material was obviously on Ambian or 
something, as she was so darn slow that it wasn't funny!  Put your Iphone 
to about 10% speaking rate... there you pretty much have it.


How in the world do I adjust this?

Chris.


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Re: iPhone 6S question

[Mary Otten]

Hi Chris,
I must say, your battery life on your success far exceeds mine. I can get a day 
of heavy use, and that's it. That's about what I used to get on my 5S.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 22, 2015, at 11:50 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>  wrote:
> 
> I don't know what you're friend is talking about.  I have a 6S, not the Plus. 
>  I understand.  This is the plain 6S, and my battery life is fantastic!  I 
> can go for about 2 days of very very heavy use before it finally gives me the 
> 20 percent remaining screen.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Gabe Griffith" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 4:24 PM
> Subject: iPhone 6S question
> 
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I'm thinking of upgrading my phone from the 5c. I'm considering anything from 
> the 5s to the 6 to the 6s. I am not interested in the plus series. A friend 
> has told me not to get the 6s because the battery life sucks. I would like to 
> hear any experiences that people on this list have had with the 6s series of 
> phones in relation to battery life.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Gabe
> 
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Re: iPhone 6S question

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I got the 6s and am very happy with it.
Although i think its to big for my hands.
BUt iits just personal preference i think.
/A
> 22 okt. 2015 kl. 14:32 skrev Scott Granados :
> 
> Hi Gabe, your friend is on the crack pipe, the battery life in the 6s and 6s+ 
> is better than the 6 and 6+ I would say by about 10 to 20% or so.
> 
> Also, I would encourage you to reconsider the plus option.  The extra real 
> estate is nice for people with larger hands like myself and also there’s real 
> optical stabilization of images instead of digital stabilization which can 
> work a bit better for character recognition.  (I’m willing to be corrected on 
> that this is what I have heard)
>   The 6S+ and 6S have far better cellular radios and work fantastically 
> on the network as well as great WiFi support and the new processor makes 
> things pop.  I would go 6S+ if I were you but if you still don’t want the + 
> definitely 6S.
> 
> Hope that helps.
> 
> 
>> On Oct 21, 2015, at 4:24 PM, Gabe Griffith  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I'm thinking of upgrading my phone from the 5c. I'm considering anything 
>> from the 5s to the 6 to the 6s. I am not interested in the plus series. A 
>> friend has told me not to get the 6s because the battery life sucks. I would 
>> like to hear any experiences that people on this list have had with the 6s 
>> series of phones in relation to battery life.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Gabe
>> 
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Re: Cereproc And El Capitan, Very Disappointing

[Shawn Krasniuk]

Chris, that wasn't rude at all. That is a valid question. A question that I 
don't know the answer to, but a friend of mine said that companies don't like 
giving refunds if they can fix issues. We'll just have to wait and see. They're 
from Scotland so I'll know if they'll give me a refund or not tomorrow.

Shawn
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> On Oct 22, 2015, at 4:47 PM, Chris Gilland  wrote:
> 
> I'm not purposely trying to be rude, but what makes you think that they would 
> not give you a refund?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On October 22, 2015 5:35:47 PM Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
> 
>> Hi all. Well I'm not a really happy camper. This will probably solidify the 
>> points that Sabahattin stated about these voices a few months ago, but 
>> anyway, I'm in contact with a guy from Cereproc named Graham Leary. Since El 
>> Capitan is no longer in beta, I was able to tell him my issues that I've 
>> been having with these voices and asked if there was an update to them. He 
>> said that there was, and since I purchased an upgrade and support for a 
>> voice for a year, I was able to update one of them, Nathan. Anyway I updated 
>> Nathan thinking that the issue would be fixed. Sadly though, it wasn't, and 
>> the voice is still unusable with Voiceover. He'll say his name when I select 
>> him in the speech rotor but that's it. I kinda feel like a chump now because 
>> I wasted 17 pounds 99 which translates into $35 Canadian thinking that the 
>> issue would be fixed. So I told Graham to either fix the issues or give me 
>> my money back. I hope they'll at least fix the issue because I highly doubt 
>> they'll give me a refund. So as Sabahattin stated, stick to either the Apple 
>> voices, Nuance or Acapela, and from my personal experience, don't buy from a 
>> TTS company that makes you buy upgrades to every voice.
>> 
>> Shawn
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Re: These Simple Facebook Shortcuts Will Save You Time

[David Griffith]

I have not gone to the website but if the keyboard shortcuts are reliant on 
using the VO keys, that is, control and option then there will most definitely 
be a conflict with Voiceover under  Yosemite and earlier. control option and 
numbers are the keystrokes used for hot spot management.

However a workaround for El Capitan users may be to redesignate the Voiceover 
key as Caps lock  and turn off Control option as VO keys. I am sticking with 
Yosemite for the time being so cannot test this.

David Griffith 
  
> On 22 Oct 2015, at 14:25, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> 
> If this worked it would be fantastic but I cannot seem to get the keys to 
> work. I have tried these key sequences with both quick nav on and off but no 
> luck. Tried control option and all the numbers but nothing happens, wonder if 
> there is a conflict with VO and these keys. If anyone can figure this out let 
> us know. Thanks,
>> On Oct 21, 2015, at 2:39 PM, Blee Blat  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks, that's really helpful. I will have to take another look at the 
>> facebook page. I had been using the mobile site a lot but since they have 
>> these shortcuts that could save a lot of trouble.
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Re: OS X update released and watch OS 2.0.1 released

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

It’s hopeless.  The muting is still happening under pressure, and so is the 
activity-fails-to-switch bug.

ARGH!

Bug report finger at the ready for the next incoming arrow of misfortune, but I 
wonder what Apple think they have fixed in this release, then.  It’s not right 
that people see fixes to VO in the release notes when they clearly haven’t 
fixed anything!

Or, I don’t know, I could just quit.  It’s all very frustrating.  Stop me if 
you’ve heard this before …

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Re: From Yosemite to El Capitan and Back: One New User's Story

[Chris Gilland]

David,

Have you considered possibly using the search feature within mail being 
that first letter navigation doesn't  work?


 WinMail is open, press command option F,  as in find.  would this be a 
viable option for you?


Chris.

 .


On October 22, 2015 5:47:16 PM David Griffith  wrote:

Generally I use the standard view all the time and frankly I get a bit lost 
 in Classic view.
Although I am totally blind I love the ability to use the preview pane in 
standard view and am one of the people who routinely use VO J to quickly 
read emails.
 The major annoyance in standard view is the inability to use first letter 
 navigation to jump to messages sorted by name from in the inbox. Un less 
 somebody can enlighten  me it is only possible to use first letter 
 navigation to jump to a message in Classic View. Consequentially if I need 
 to do this I change the sort order, change to classic view to find the 
 email I need by first letter navigation and then  switch  back to standard 
 view..


David Griffith

On 22 Oct 2015, at 22:37, M. Taylor  wrote:

I have long since suspected that Apple will, eventually, discontinue the 
classic view in Mail.  This is just my opinion, of course.


The funny thing is, whenever I see non-voiceOver users, including those in 
the Apple store, using Mac Mail, they are not using the classic view.  I 
realize that the number of people I interact with is less than miniscule 
but it is an indication of something, I dare say.


The truth is, again in my opinion, when used correctly, the standard view 
is unbeatable.  Again, just my opinion.


Mark

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Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 12:40 PM
To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
Subject: Re: From Yosemite to El Capitan and Back: One New User's Story

Perhaps I should stop using the classic view too, then.  I’d resent it, but 
the only way of avoiding the horrible, terrible slowdowns in Mail presently 
seems to be not to use that view.


Deliberate sabotage so Apple can obsolete that view and further solidify 
the iOSification of the Mac? :)


Must try MailMate again soon, to see where we stand with that.  I’d sure 
love an alternative to Mail.


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Re: From Yosemite to El Capitan and Back: One New User's Story

[Gabe Griffith]

Hi all,

This may be a dumb question or at least expose my ignorance but how does one 
tell if they are using classic or standard view? I am also running Maverics.

Thanks,

Gabe


On Oct 22, 2015, at 2:47 PM, David Griffith  wrote:

> Generally I use the standard view all the time and frankly I get a bit lost  
> in Classic view.
> Although I am totally blind I love the ability to use the preview pane in 
> standard view and am one of the people who routinely use VO J to quickly read 
> emails.
> The major annoyance in standard view is the inability to use first letter 
> navigation to jump to messages sorted by name from in the inbox. Un less 
> somebody can enlighten  me it is only possible to use first letter navigation 
> to jump to a message in Classic View. Consequentially if I need to do this I 
> change the sort order, change to classic view to find the email I need by 
> first letter navigation and then  switch  back to standard view..
> 
> David Griffith
>> On 22 Oct 2015, at 22:37, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> I have long since suspected that Apple will, eventually, discontinue the 
>> classic view in Mail.  This is just my opinion, of course.
>> 
>> The funny thing is, whenever I see non-voiceOver users, including those in 
>> the Apple store, using Mac Mail, they are not using the classic view.  I 
>> realize that the number of people I interact with is less than miniscule but 
>> it is an indication of something, I dare say.
>> 
>> The truth is, again in my opinion, when used correctly, the standard view is 
>> unbeatable.  Again, just my opinion.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sabahattin Gucukoglu
>> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 12:40 PM
>> To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
>> Subject: Re: From Yosemite to El Capitan and Back: One New User's Story
>> 
>> Perhaps I should stop using the classic view too, then.  I’d resent it, but 
>> the only way of avoiding the horrible, terrible slowdowns in Mail presently 
>> seems to be not to use that view.
>> 
>> Deliberate sabotage so Apple can obsolete that view and further solidify the 
>> iOSification of the Mac? :)
>> 
>> Must try MailMate again soon, to see where we stand with that.  I’d sure 
>> love an alternative to Mail.
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Re: Cereproc And El Capitan, Very Disappointing

[Chris Gilland]

I'm not purposely trying to be rude, but what makes you think that they 
would not give you a refund?


Thanks.

Chris.




On October 22, 2015 5:35:47 PM Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:

Hi all. Well I'm not a really happy camper. This will probably solidify the 
points that Sabahattin stated about these voices a few months ago, but 
anyway, I'm in contact with a guy from Cereproc named Graham Leary. Since 
El Capitan is no longer in beta, I was able to tell him my issues that I've 
been having with these voices and asked if there was an update to them. He 
said that there was, and since I purchased an upgrade and support for a 
voice for a year, I was able to update one of them, Nathan. Anyway I 
updated Nathan thinking that the issue would be fixed. Sadly though, it 
wasn't, and the voice is still unusable with Voiceover. He'll say his name 
when I select him in the speech rotor but that's it. I kinda feel like a 
chump now because I wasted 17 pounds 99 which translates into $35 Canadian 
thinking that the issue would be fixed. So I told Graham to either fix the 
issues or give me my money back. I hope they'll at least fix the issue 
because I highly doubt they'll give me a refund. So as Sabahattin stated, 
stick to either the Apple voices, Nuance or Acapela, and from my personal 
experience, don't buy from a TTS company that makes you buy upgrades to 
every voice.


Shawn
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Re: From Yosemite to El Capitan and Back: One New User's Story

[David Griffith]

Generally I use the standard view all the time and frankly I get a bit lost  in 
Classic view.
Although I am totally blind I love the ability to use the preview pane in 
standard view and am one of the people who routinely use VO J to quickly read 
emails.
 The major annoyance in standard view is the inability to use first letter 
navigation to jump to messages sorted by name from in the inbox. Un less 
somebody can enlighten  me it is only possible to use first letter navigation 
to jump to a message in Classic View. Consequentially if I need to do this I 
change the sort order, change to classic view to find the email I need by first 
letter navigation and then  switch  back to standard view..

David Griffith
> On 22 Oct 2015, at 22:37, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> I have long since suspected that Apple will, eventually, discontinue the 
> classic view in Mail.  This is just my opinion, of course.
> 
> The funny thing is, whenever I see non-voiceOver users, including those in 
> the Apple store, using Mac Mail, they are not using the classic view.  I 
> realize that the number of people I interact with is less than miniscule but 
> it is an indication of something, I dare say.
> 
> The truth is, again in my opinion, when used correctly, the standard view is 
> unbeatable.  Again, just my opinion.
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sabahattin Gucukoglu
> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 12:40 PM
> To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
> Subject: Re: From Yosemite to El Capitan and Back: One New User's Story
> 
> Perhaps I should stop using the classic view too, then.  I’d resent it, but 
> the only way of avoiding the horrible, terrible slowdowns in Mail presently 
> seems to be not to use that view.
> 
> Deliberate sabotage so Apple can obsolete that view and further solidify the 
> iOSification of the Mac? :)
> 
> Must try MailMate again soon, to see where we stand with that.  I’d sure love 
> an alternative to Mail.
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Re: Mark on iOS 9.1, So Far

[Devin Prater]

Well, about Samantha, Apple can't be blamed. It is a Neuance problem.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 22, 2015, at 4:30 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> Well, last night, I finally installed iOS 9.1 on my 6 Plus.
> 
> For me, there are no proverbial show-stoppers.  
> 
> 1.
> However, given that I have been in an ongoing dialog with Apple engineers, I
> am a little disappointed that the camera app zoom VoiceOver bug still
> persist.  However, on a positive note, at least, enabling VoiceOver, after
> zooming in on an image, no longer cancels the zoom.  Baby steps, eh?
> (smile).  
> 
> 2.
> I am surprised at how much I miss having the time announced when waking the
> phone.
> 
> 3.
> Perhaps it's just me but I swear the quality of Samantha has been greatly
> degraded in this version.  I just don't understand why, with every major
> release since iOS 6.x, the quality of Samantha has been steadily declining.
> Of course, this is just my opinion.  What I do find interesting is that
> Samantha's pronunciation of words that were absolutely correct in iOS 8, has
> been changed and are now incorrect in iOS 9.1.
> 
> In iOS 8.x, I found the high quality version of the Samantha voice somewhat
> pleasant, in iOS 9.x, I find it unsettling, to say the least.  I cannot
> imagine having the current Samantha voice reading long stretches of texts,
> whereas in the previous iOS, this would not have even been at issue.  Is
> Apple trying to force everyone to Alex?  (Yes, a conspiracy theory).
> (Smile).   
> 
> 4.
> Also, the SMS Reply To dictation feedback problem is very, very annoying.  
> 
> For those who disagree, let me say that I respect your opinion.  Also, the
> feedback is not much of a problem if one dictates using either a Bluetooth
> or wired headset.  I suppose it is not much of an issue if one only dictates
> 1 or 2 words.  However, if one attempts to dictate a full sentence, then the
> feedback becomes problematic as a kind of feedback loop ensues causing a
> great deal of random text to be inserted as Siri, hearing VoiceOver, begins
> to dictate to itself.
> 
> 5.
> I know this comes up every time a new OS is released but it seems to me as
> though my battery drains faster since updating from 8.x to 9.1.  I just
> turned off a lot of items that were active in the background app refresh
> area so I'll see how it goes.  However, I can tell you that I updated a
> total of three 6 plus phones, yesterday, two from iOS 9.0.2.  Now, even
> though both of those two phones that were already running 9.x, were plugged
> into an outlet at the time of the update, via OTA, both had less charge
> after updating than they did, before the update began.  I've never seen such
> a thing before.
> 
> 6.
> As always, I have sent my findings to Apple.
> 
> 7.
> Finally, and I want to be clear on this:  Updating the OS OTA (over-the-air)
> is in no way the same as installing it from iTunes via a USB cable.  For
> whatever reason, there does seem to be a pattern of more problems when going
> from iOS 8.x to 9.x via OTA.
> 
> What is the difference between the OTA method and the iTunes method?  In
> short, updating OTA does not rewrite the file allocation table and file
> structures, just for starters.  When you update via iTunes, it is as if you
> are doing a fresh install as all of the file tables and data clusters are
> actually rewritten to the disk..
> 
> Want proof of this?  No problem, here's how to verify the difference.  When
> you use the OTA method, you will notice that any custom keyboard shortcuts
> you may have added remain, after the update.  However, when you update via
> iTunes, you will discover that only default keyboard shortcuts exist,
> meaning you will have to rewrite your custom keyboard shortcuts.  
> 
> I wish I could lay claim to having learned about the difference between the
> two methods, independently but I was told of the difference by a senior
> Apple iOS design engineer.  
> 
> I'll be honest, I have not used the iTunes method since the OTA option
> became available but now that I have had several of my recent syncing
> problems resolved after having used the iTunes method, I'll probably use it
> from now on, when possible.
> 
> Mark
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RE: From Yosemite to El Capitan and Back: One New User's Story

[M. Taylor]

I have long since suspected that Apple will, eventually, discontinue the 
classic view in Mail.  This is just my opinion, of course.

The funny thing is, whenever I see non-voiceOver users, including those in the 
Apple store, using Mac Mail, they are not using the classic view.  I realize 
that the number of people I interact with is less than miniscule but it is an 
indication of something, I dare say.

The truth is, again in my opinion, when used correctly, the standard view is 
unbeatable.  Again, just my opinion.

Mark

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Sabahattin Gucukoglu
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 12:40 PM
To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
Subject: Re: From Yosemite to El Capitan and Back: One New User's Story

Perhaps I should stop using the classic view too, then.  I’d resent it, but the 
only way of avoiding the horrible, terrible slowdowns in Mail presently seems 
to be not to use that view.

Deliberate sabotage so Apple can obsolete that view and further solidify the 
iOSification of the Mac? :)

Must try MailMate again soon, to see where we stand with that.  I’d sure love 
an alternative to Mail.

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Cereproc And El Capitan, Very Disappointing

[Shawn Krasniuk]

Hi all. Well I'm not a really happy camper. This will probably solidify the 
points that Sabahattin stated about these voices a few months ago, but anyway, 
I'm in contact with a guy from Cereproc named Graham Leary. Since El Capitan is 
no longer in beta, I was able to tell him my issues that I've been having with 
these voices and asked if there was an update to them. He said that there was, 
and since I purchased an upgrade and support for a voice for a year, I was able 
to update one of them, Nathan. Anyway I updated Nathan thinking that the issue 
would be fixed. Sadly though, it wasn't, and the voice is still unusable with 
Voiceover. He'll say his name when I select him in the speech rotor but that's 
it. I kinda feel like a chump now because I wasted 17 pounds 99 which 
translates into $35 Canadian thinking that the issue would be fixed. So I told 
Graham to either fix the issues or give me my money back. I hope they'll at 
least fix the issue because I highly doubt they'll give me a refund. So as 
Sabahattin stated, stick to either the Apple voices, Nuance or Acapela, and 
from my personal experience, don't buy from a TTS company that makes you buy 
upgrades to every voice.

Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook
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Mark on iOS 9.1, So Far

[M. Taylor]

Hello Everyone,

Well, last night, I finally installed iOS 9.1 on my 6 Plus.

For me, there are no proverbial show-stoppers.  

1.
However, given that I have been in an ongoing dialog with Apple engineers, I
am a little disappointed that the camera app zoom VoiceOver bug still
persist.  However, on a positive note, at least, enabling VoiceOver, after
zooming in on an image, no longer cancels the zoom.  Baby steps, eh?
(smile).  

2.
I am surprised at how much I miss having the time announced when waking the
phone.

3.
Perhaps it's just me but I swear the quality of Samantha has been greatly
degraded in this version.  I just don't understand why, with every major
release since iOS 6.x, the quality of Samantha has been steadily declining.
Of course, this is just my opinion.  What I do find interesting is that
Samantha's pronunciation of words that were absolutely correct in iOS 8, has
been changed and are now incorrect in iOS 9.1.

In iOS 8.x, I found the high quality version of the Samantha voice somewhat
pleasant, in iOS 9.x, I find it unsettling, to say the least.  I cannot
imagine having the current Samantha voice reading long stretches of texts,
whereas in the previous iOS, this would not have even been at issue.  Is
Apple trying to force everyone to Alex?  (Yes, a conspiracy theory).
(Smile).   

4.
Also, the SMS Reply To dictation feedback problem is very, very annoying.  

For those who disagree, let me say that I respect your opinion.  Also, the
feedback is not much of a problem if one dictates using either a Bluetooth
or wired headset.  I suppose it is not much of an issue if one only dictates
1 or 2 words.  However, if one attempts to dictate a full sentence, then the
feedback becomes problematic as a kind of feedback loop ensues causing a
great deal of random text to be inserted as Siri, hearing VoiceOver, begins
to dictate to itself.

5.
I know this comes up every time a new OS is released but it seems to me as
though my battery drains faster since updating from 8.x to 9.1.  I just
turned off a lot of items that were active in the background app refresh
area so I'll see how it goes.  However, I can tell you that I updated a
total of three 6 plus phones, yesterday, two from iOS 9.0.2.  Now, even
though both of those two phones that were already running 9.x, were plugged
into an outlet at the time of the update, via OTA, both had less charge
after updating than they did, before the update began.  I've never seen such
a thing before.

6.
As always, I have sent my findings to Apple.

7.
Finally, and I want to be clear on this:  Updating the OS OTA (over-the-air)
is in no way the same as installing it from iTunes via a USB cable.  For
whatever reason, there does seem to be a pattern of more problems when going
from iOS 8.x to 9.x via OTA.

What is the difference between the OTA method and the iTunes method?  In
short, updating OTA does not rewrite the file allocation table and file
structures, just for starters.  When you update via iTunes, it is as if you
are doing a fresh install as all of the file tables and data clusters are
actually rewritten to the disk..

Want proof of this?  No problem, here's how to verify the difference.  When
you use the OTA method, you will notice that any custom keyboard shortcuts
you may have added remain, after the update.  However, when you update via
iTunes, you will discover that only default keyboard shortcuts exist,
meaning you will have to rewrite your custom keyboard shortcuts.  

I wish I could lay claim to having learned about the difference between the
two methods, independently but I was told of the difference by a senior
Apple iOS design engineer.  

I'll be honest, I have not used the iTunes method since the OTA option
became available but now that I have had several of my recent syncing
problems resolved after having used the iTunes method, I'll probably use it
from now on, when possible.

Mark

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Re: El capitan installation disk does not work.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Intresting.
THen i have to try to do it via the terminal.
Thanks for confirming this Chris.

/A
> 21 okt. 2015 kl. 20:36 skrev Christopher-Mark Gilland :
> 
> I actually had that same issue when I tried making a disk with the Disk Maker 
> X Utility, so, though I don't know what's wrong, I can confirm that I've been 
> able in the past to reproduce that same thing.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Anders Holmberg" 
> To: "'Eleanor Roberts' via MacVisionaries" 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 2:22 PM
> Subject: El capitan installation disk does not work.
> 
> 
> Hi!
> I really don’t know whats up but i seem to not be able to boot on the el 
> capitan disks i make with diskmaker x.
> I can not boot from the usb drive i have from either startup disk  or by 
> pressing the option key and selecting the disk.
> When i do i get into recovery mode.
> The disk is formated as mac extended journal and as guid partition.
> I wonder if the downloaded proram is corrupt.
> /A
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Re: El capitan installation disk does not work.

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

OK.  Use Disk Utility to erase the disk first, and try one more time.  If 
DiskMakerX will not do it, then it’s really no hardship to use the 
“CreateInstallMedia” tool that comes with the app you downloaded from the Mac 
App Store.  Go to the MAS and make sure the button for download on the product 
page is dimmed, indicating it’s installed.  We assume your erased volume is 
called “Untitled”.  Now run (you can copy and paste the whole command into 
Terminal):

sudo /Applications/Install\ OS\ X\ El\ 
Capitan.app/Contents/Resources/createinstallmedia —volume /Volumes/Untitled 
—applicationpath /Applications/Install\ OS\ X\ El\ Capitan.app/

Type in your password, if prompted.  Answer affirmatively to the prompt that 
you are erasing the target device.  Read the responses, until “Done” appears, 
with no preceding error.  Close the Terminal Window and quit Terminal.  You 
should now have an installer drive.

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Re: From Yosemite to El Capitan and Back: One New User's Story

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

Well visually it’s completely different, essentially like on iOS with each 
entire message's detail displayed in a group format with a resizable view of 
the content to the right, instead of displaying the message detail in a table 
format at the top and the message text for the selected message beneath the 
splitter.  For us VoiceOver users what that translates to is a slight 
difference in the way the message content is announced, but for the modern 
view, the loss of convenient table navigation functionality—no means, for 
example, to easily skim a particular header, such as subject fields, or use the 
standard table sorting and arranging capabilities (which, incidentally, seem to 
be broken on El Capitan).

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Re: From Yosemite to El Capitan and Back: One New User's Story

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

What aside the obvious of sluggishness is the difference in standard view, 
vs. classic?


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Sabahattin Gucukoglu" 

To: "'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries" 
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 3:39 PM
Subject: Re: From Yosemite to El Capitan and Back: One New User's Story


Perhaps I should stop using the classic view too, then.  I’d resent it, but 
the only way of avoiding the horrible, terrible slowdowns in Mail presently 
seems to be not to use that view.


Deliberate sabotage so Apple can obsolete that view and further solidify the 
iOSification of the Mac? :)


Must try MailMate again soon, to see where we stand with that.  I’d sure 
love an alternative to Mail.


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Re: From Yosemite to El Capitan and Back: One New User's Story

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

Perhaps I should stop using the classic view too, then.  I’d resent it, but the 
only way of avoiding the horrible, terrible slowdowns in Mail presently seems 
to be not to use that view.

Deliberate sabotage so Apple can obsolete that view and further solidify the 
iOSification of the Mac? :)

Must try MailMate again soon, to see where we stand with that.  I’d sure love 
an alternative to Mail.

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Re: From Yosemite to El Capitan and Back: One New User's Story

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Mark and others,

What even exactly is! the difference from the standard and the classic views 
anyway, if you don't mind me asking.


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "M. Taylor" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 3:28 PM
Subject: RE: From Yosemite to El Capitan and Back: One New User's Story


I completely agree with you Scott,

Especially where the Mac Mail application is concerned.  I would argue that 
Mail is as good as it has ever been.  I have said it before and I'll say it 
again, were it not for the Mac Mail application, there is no way I could 
conceivably manage so many email messages so effortlessly.  Like you, Soctt, 
I do not use the classic view.


Mark

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados

Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 11:49 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: From Yosemite to El Capitan and Back: One New User's Story

The bugs you mentioned were solved in 10.11.1 or so my experience so far has 
seemed to indicate.  Definitely safari is working better and I never had 
mail issues but I don’t use the classic view.  Either way, mail is 
functioning nicely under 10.11.1 on this side anyway.




On Oct 22, 2015, at 2:46 PM, Craig Werner  wrote:

Hello, everyone.

As a MacBook Air user of just under three months, I am posting a
little tale about my brief experience upgrading to El Capitan.  I do
this for two reasons: to acquaint new users thinking of upgrading with
one rookie's experience and perhaps to generate a bit of commentary
from more experienced users.

As someone who has come up through the ranks of CP/M, MS-DOS, Windows,
and Apple iOS, I am no newcomer to the world of computers.  In July, I
bought a MacBook Air, which came with Yosemite 10.10.3, which I
upgraded to 10.10.5 in early September.  I love reading documentation,
so I threw myself happily into reading lots of VoiceOver and OS X
resources, including Tim Sniffen's and Janet Ingber's books, AppleVis
posts, and various podcasts, supplemented by generous chunks of David
Pogue's _Yosemite: the Missing Manual_.  The learning curve was steep,
but I almost enjoyed my first few weeks.  Troubled by some bugs,
notably in Mac Mail, I wondered if I should upgrade to El Capitan.
Years and years of caution prompted my inner voice to urge me to stay
put and be patient as I learned; but one day in October, I took the
plunge.  Buoyed by my success at upgrading, I started to play with El
Capitan only to discover within a few minutes that not only were the
Mail bugs still present but also Safari often displayed a "busy"
status at times when performing the same operations in Yosemite
produced happier results.

I decided to return to Yosemite 10.10.5, so, urged on by an Apple
Accessibility rep who told me I could downgrade without a bootable
drive, I decided to use Internet Recovery to restore the OS that came
with the machine.  Something went wrong during the attempt to
downgrade, and the Mac refused to acknowledge my router.  A couple of
earnest attempts by Apple Accessibility personnel to help the machine
recover failed, and I decided to take the computer into the nearby
Apple Store for a clean install.  The bottom line is that the machine
has been restored to its Day One state, so to speak, and I am quite
content to wallow in Yosemite for the time being.

My point is simple: if you're new to this game, consider carefully
whether the advantages you may gain when trying to upgrade are worth
the risk.  Better to learn carefully what you don't know now than to
add more layers which you may not have bargained for.

Some of you might be wondering why you have bothered to read something
so self-evident.  All I can say is temptation doesn't always yield
beneficial results.  At the risk of stating the obvious, I have stated
the obvious.  

Craig

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RE: From Yosemite to El Capitan and Back: One New User's Story

[M. Taylor]

I completely agree with you Scott,

Especially where the Mac Mail application is concerned.  I would argue that 
Mail is as good as it has ever been.  I have said it before and I'll say it 
again, were it not for the Mac Mail application, there is no way I could 
conceivably manage so many email messages so effortlessly.  Like you, Soctt, I 
do not use the classic view.  

Mark

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 11:49 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: From Yosemite to El Capitan and Back: One New User's Story

The bugs you mentioned were solved in 10.11.1 or so my experience so far has 
seemed to indicate.  Definitely safari is working better and I never had mail 
issues but I don’t use the classic view.  Either way, mail is functioning 
nicely under 10.11.1 on this side anyway.


> On Oct 22, 2015, at 2:46 PM, Craig Werner  wrote:
> 
> Hello, everyone.
> 
> As a MacBook Air user of just under three months, I am posting a 
> little tale about my brief experience upgrading to El Capitan.  I do 
> this for two reasons: to acquaint new users thinking of upgrading with 
> one rookie's experience and perhaps to generate a bit of commentary 
> from more experienced users.
> 
> As someone who has come up through the ranks of CP/M, MS-DOS, Windows, 
> and Apple iOS, I am no newcomer to the world of computers.  In July, I 
> bought a MacBook Air, which came with Yosemite 10.10.3, which I 
> upgraded to 10.10.5 in early September.  I love reading documentation, 
> so I threw myself happily into reading lots of VoiceOver and OS X 
> resources, including Tim Sniffen's and Janet Ingber's books, AppleVis 
> posts, and various podcasts, supplemented by generous chunks of David 
> Pogue's _Yosemite: the Missing Manual_.  The learning curve was steep, 
> but I almost enjoyed my first few weeks.  Troubled by some bugs, 
> notably in Mac Mail, I wondered if I should upgrade to El Capitan.
> Years and years of caution prompted my inner voice to urge me to stay 
> put and be patient as I learned; but one day in October, I took the 
> plunge.  Buoyed by my success at upgrading, I started to play with El 
> Capitan only to discover within a few minutes that not only were the 
> Mail bugs still present but also Safari often displayed a "busy"
> status at times when performing the same operations in Yosemite 
> produced happier results.
> 
> I decided to return to Yosemite 10.10.5, so, urged on by an Apple 
> Accessibility rep who told me I could downgrade without a bootable 
> drive, I decided to use Internet Recovery to restore the OS that came 
> with the machine.  Something went wrong during the attempt to 
> downgrade, and the Mac refused to acknowledge my router.  A couple of 
> earnest attempts by Apple Accessibility personnel to help the machine 
> recover failed, and I decided to take the computer into the nearby 
> Apple Store for a clean install.  The bottom line is that the machine 
> has been restored to its Day One state, so to speak, and I am quite 
> content to wallow in Yosemite for the time being.
> 
> My point is simple: if you're new to this game, consider carefully 
> whether the advantages you may gain when trying to upgrade are worth 
> the risk.  Better to learn carefully what you don't know now than to 
> add more layers which you may not have bargained for.
> 
> Some of you might be wondering why you have bothered to read something 
> so self-evident.  All I can say is temptation doesn't always yield 
> beneficial results.  At the risk of stating the obvious, I have stated 
> the obvious.  
> 
> Craig
> 
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Re: OS X update released and watch OS 2.0.1 released

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

OK, and were you one of the ones who previously *was?* having an issue with 
this?  I know some of you were, and some weren't.


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Scott Granados" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 2:50 PM
Subject: Re: OS X update released and watch OS 2.0.1 released


Had no problem doing this 5 minutes ago working with in the Jira Agile tool.
Edited large text boxes full of comments and made the appropriate changes 
with no issues.


On Oct 22, 2015, at 2:48 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


OK, what about editting in text fields on Safari?  Is that still broken?

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Sabahattin Gucukoglu" 


To: "'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries" 
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 4:13 PM
Subject: Re: OS X update released and watch OS 2.0.1 released


At least my Safari issue is unresolved, however it looks like they 
might—and this isn’t confirmed yet, but they might—have sorted out that 
annoying self-muting trick whereby VO cuts itself off while navigating. 
Nothing else yet, touch wood …


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Re: OS X update released and watch OS 2.0.1 released

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

Nope, still completely borked for me.  Can do it with QuickNav off, but as soon 
as VO navigation commands get involved it’s all FUBAR.  VO-right, for example, 
will skim me suddenly from the very start to the very end, and word-by-word 
navigation simply doesn’t work.  If it’s working for others it must be either 
that they’re very lucky or they haven’t done something to their configurations 
which I have.

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Re: moving in text

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Home=Command+left arrow.

End=Command+right arrowe

Ctrl+Home=Command+up arrow

Ctrl+end=command+down arrow

Previous word=Option left arrow

Next word=Option+right arrow.

Add the shift key to any above commands to select text respectfully.

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Juan Hernandez 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 6:12 PM
  Subject: moving in text


  Hi All,


  I would like to know, if there are equivalent commands like in windows for 
the below?


  home: places someone at the beginning of the line
  end:  places someone at the end of a line
  ctrl+home:  puts you at the top of the file
  ctrl+end:  puts you at the end of the file


  I am in eclipse’s code editor, but I think what I am looking for can work 
anywhere there is a text area, like text edit.


  Best,


  Juan Hernandez
  Email:  juanhernande...@gmail.com
  Mobile:  (619) 750-9431
  Twitter:  https://www.twitter.com/blindwiz
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Re: OS X update released and watch OS 2.0.1 released

[John Panarese]

   I’ve never had problems in edit fields on the web. No issues with 10.11.1 
either.


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> On Oct 22, 2015, at 2:50 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Had no problem doing this 5 minutes ago working with in the Jira Agile tool.
> Edited large text boxes full of comments and made the appropriate changes 
> with no issues.
> 
>> On Oct 22, 2015, at 2:48 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> OK, what about editting in text fields on Safari?  Is that still broken?
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Sabahattin Gucukoglu" 
>> To: "'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries" 
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 4:13 PM
>> Subject: Re: OS X update released and watch OS 2.0.1 released
>> 
>> 
>> At least my Safari issue is unresolved, however it looks like they might—and 
>> this isn’t confirmed yet, but they might—have sorted out that annoying 
>> self-muting trick whereby VO cuts itself off while navigating.  Nothing else 
>> yet, touch wood …
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Re: iPhone 6S question

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I don't know what you're friend is talking about.  I have a 6S, not the 
Plus.  I understand.  This is the plain 6S, and my battery life is 
fantastic!  I can go for about 2 days of very very heavy use before it 
finally gives me the 20 percent remaining screen.


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Gabe Griffith" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 4:24 PM
Subject: iPhone 6S question


Hi all,

I'm thinking of upgrading my phone from the 5c. I'm considering anything 
from the 5s to the 6 to the 6s. I am not interested in the plus series. A 
friend has told me not to get the 6s because the battery life sucks. I would 
like to hear any experiences that people on this list have had with the 6s 
series of phones in relation to battery life.


Thanks,

Gabe


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Re: OS X update released and watch OS 2.0.1 released

[Scott Granados]

Had no problem doing this 5 minutes ago working with in the Jira Agile tool.
Edited large text boxes full of comments and made the appropriate changes with 
no issues.

> On Oct 22, 2015, at 2:48 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> OK, what about editting in text fields on Safari?  Is that still broken?
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Sabahattin Gucukoglu" 
> To: "'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries" 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 4:13 PM
> Subject: Re: OS X update released and watch OS 2.0.1 released
> 
> 
> At least my Safari issue is unresolved, however it looks like they might—and 
> this isn’t confirmed yet, but they might—have sorted out that annoying 
> self-muting trick whereby VO cuts itself off while navigating.  Nothing else 
> yet, touch wood …
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Re: From Yosemite to El Capitan and Back: One New User's Story

[Scott Granados]

The bugs you mentioned were solved in 10.11.1 or so my experience so far has 
seemed to indicate.  Definitely safari is working better and I never had mail 
issues but I don’t use the classic view.  Either way, mail is functioning 
nicely under 10.11.1 on this side anyway.


> On Oct 22, 2015, at 2:46 PM, Craig Werner  wrote:
> 
> Hello, everyone.
> 
> As a MacBook Air user of just under three months, I am posting a
> little tale about my brief experience upgrading to El Capitan.  I do
> this for two reasons: to acquaint new users thinking of upgrading with
> one rookie's experience and perhaps to generate a bit of commentary
> from more experienced users.
> 
> As someone who has come up through the ranks of CP/M, MS-DOS, Windows,
> and Apple iOS, I am no newcomer to the world of computers.  In July, I
> bought a MacBook Air, which came with Yosemite 10.10.3, which I
> upgraded to 10.10.5 in early September.  I love reading documentation,
> so I threw myself happily into reading lots of VoiceOver and OS X
> resources, including Tim Sniffen's and Janet Ingber's books, AppleVis
> posts, and various podcasts, supplemented by generous chunks of David
> Pogue's _Yosemite: the Missing Manual_.  The learning curve was steep,
> but I almost enjoyed my first few weeks.  Troubled by some bugs,
> notably in Mac Mail, I wondered if I should upgrade to El Capitan.
> Years and years of caution prompted my inner voice to urge me to stay
> put and be patient as I learned; but one day in October, I took the
> plunge.  Buoyed by my success at upgrading, I started to play with El
> Capitan only to discover within a few minutes that not only were the
> Mail bugs still present but also Safari often displayed a "busy"
> status at times when performing the same operations in Yosemite
> produced happier results.
> 
> I decided to return to Yosemite 10.10.5, so, urged on by an Apple
> Accessibility rep who told me I could downgrade without a bootable
> drive, I decided to use Internet Recovery to restore the OS that came
> with the machine.  Something went wrong during the attempt to
> downgrade, and the Mac refused to acknowledge my router.  A couple of
> earnest attempts by Apple Accessibility personnel to help the machine
> recover failed, and I decided to take the computer into the nearby
> Apple Store for a clean install.  The bottom line is that the machine
> has been restored to its Day One state, so to speak, and I am quite
> content to wallow in Yosemite for the time being.
> 
> My point is simple: if you're new to this game, consider carefully
> whether the advantages you may gain when trying to upgrade are worth
> the risk.  Better to learn carefully what you don't know now than to
> add more layers which you may not have bargained for.
> 
> Some of you might be wondering why you have bothered to read something
> so self-evident.  All I can say is temptation doesn't always yield
> beneficial results.  At the risk of stating the obvious, I have stated
> the obvious.  
> 
> Craig
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Re: El capitan installation disk does not work.

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

That's the thing.  It wouldn't let me create it.  It crashed about 3 fourths 
the way through creating it.  I don't remember the wording of the error, but 
it was something to the effect of an unknown exception error occured.  It 
honestly wasn't very specific.  Yeah, the drive definitely was compatible, 
as I've created other OSX discs on it before.  And yes, the drive has more 
than plenty the capassity.  I think it was a 32GB drive, if I'm not 
mistaking.


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Sabahattin Gucukoglu" 

To: "'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries" 
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 4:07 PM
Subject: Re: El capitan installation disk does not work.


Can you confirm that you are in fact booting the installer?  Check that the 
volume in Finder shows the Install OS X El Capitan application.  If it does, 
then you probably have a bootable disk, but it won’t hurt to recreate it as 
a last resort.  Better if you can avoid DiskMakerX and use the command line, 
but if not, just give it another try.


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Re: OS X update released and watch OS 2.0.1 released

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

OK, what about editting in text fields on Safari?  Is that still broken?

Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Sabahattin Gucukoglu" 

To: "'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries" 
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 4:13 PM
Subject: Re: OS X update released and watch OS 2.0.1 released


At least my Safari issue is unresolved, however it looks like they might—and 
this isn’t confirmed yet, but they might—have sorted out that annoying 
self-muting trick whereby VO cuts itself off while navigating.  Nothing else 
yet, touch wood …


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From Yosemite to El Capitan and Back: One New User's Story

[Craig Werner]

Hello, everyone.

As a MacBook Air user of just under three months, I am posting a
little tale about my brief experience upgrading to El Capitan.  I do
this for two reasons: to acquaint new users thinking of upgrading with
one rookie's experience and perhaps to generate a bit of commentary
from more experienced users.

As someone who has come up through the ranks of CP/M, MS-DOS, Windows,
and Apple iOS, I am no newcomer to the world of computers.  In July, I
bought a MacBook Air, which came with Yosemite 10.10.3, which I
upgraded to 10.10.5 in early September.  I love reading documentation,
so I threw myself happily into reading lots of VoiceOver and OS X
resources, including Tim Sniffen's and Janet Ingber's books, AppleVis
posts, and various podcasts, supplemented by generous chunks of David
Pogue's _Yosemite: the Missing Manual_.  The learning curve was steep,
but I almost enjoyed my first few weeks.  Troubled by some bugs,
notably in Mac Mail, I wondered if I should upgrade to El Capitan.
Years and years of caution prompted my inner voice to urge me to stay
put and be patient as I learned; but one day in October, I took the
plunge.  Buoyed by my success at upgrading, I started to play with El
Capitan only to discover within a few minutes that not only were the
Mail bugs still present but also Safari often displayed a "busy"
status at times when performing the same operations in Yosemite
produced happier results.

I decided to return to Yosemite 10.10.5, so, urged on by an Apple
Accessibility rep who told me I could downgrade without a bootable
drive, I decided to use Internet Recovery to restore the OS that came
with the machine.  Something went wrong during the attempt to
downgrade, and the Mac refused to acknowledge my router.  A couple of
earnest attempts by Apple Accessibility personnel to help the machine
recover failed, and I decided to take the computer into the nearby
Apple Store for a clean install.  The bottom line is that the machine
has been restored to its Day One state, so to speak, and I am quite
content to wallow in Yosemite for the time being.

My point is simple: if you're new to this game, consider carefully
whether the advantages you may gain when trying to upgrade are worth
the risk.  Better to learn carefully what you don't know now than to
add more layers which you may not have bargained for.

Some of you might be wondering why you have bothered to read something
so self-evident.  All I can say is temptation doesn't always yield
beneficial results.  At the risk of stating the obvious, I have stated
the obvious.  

Craig

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Re: Speech as the next GUI

[Scott Granados]

Very cool,

Close the pod bay doors Hal.:)

Can’t be far off.

On this front, have you seen the new commercials for IBM Watson?  Creepy in a 
way although I’m all for the rise of the machines.


> On Oct 22, 2015, at 12:44 PM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Found this article from Wired interesting. Apparently there was a second PARC 
> team working on a speech-based UI. The article posits that speech will be the 
> next generation of how everyone interacts with devices and computers. 
> Mentions of Siri, Nuance, Apple, Amazon, Google and the other usual players 
> plus a few new ones.
> 
> http://www.wired.com/2015/09/voice-interface-ios/
> 
> CB
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Speech as the next GUI

['Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries]

Found this article from Wired interesting. Apparently there was a second 
PARC team working on a speech-based UI. The article posits that speech 
will be the next generation of how everyone interacts with devices and 
computers. Mentions of Siri, Nuance, Apple, Amazon, Google and the other 
usual players plus a few new ones.


http://www.wired.com/2015/09/voice-interface-ios/

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Re: iPhone 6S question

[Scott Granados]

I would agree, I have felt each upgrade has been an improvement, meaning the 6 
was better than the 5s, 6s better than the 6 and so on.

> On Oct 22, 2015, at 11:50 AM, Paul Sandoval  wrote:
> 
> I find the battery on my 6s to be much better than the battery on my 5S was.
> 
> Sent from Pablo's iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 21, 2015, at 4:29 PM, Gabe Griffith  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Yes, the size of the plus series is what turned me off of it. The 6 and 6s 
>> are large enough by plenty. 
>> 
>> That is interesting that the 6s battery life is comparable to the 5s. 
>> 
>> I'll definitely keep those thoughts in mind.
>> 
>> Gabe
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 21, 2015, at 3:18 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> It seems to me that the battery life on the 6S is rather the same as it was 
>>> on the 5S. Bigger phone, bigger battery, but bigger display. Of course you 
>>> got more battery life with the plus. But there is a trade-off, as it is 
>>> much larger. Size alone was a showstopper for me.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
 On Oct 21, 2015, at 1:24 PM, Gabe Griffith  
 wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 I'm thinking of upgrading my phone from the 5c. I'm considering anything 
 from the 5s to the 6 to the 6s. I am not interested in the plus series. A 
 friend has told me not to get the 6s because the battery life sucks. I 
 would like to hear any experiences that people on this list have had with 
 the 6s series of phones in relation to battery life.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Gabe
 
 
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Re: iPhone 6S question

[Paul Sandoval]

I find the battery on my 6s to be much better than the battery on my 5S was.

Sent from Pablo's iPhone

> On Oct 21, 2015, at 4:29 PM, Gabe Griffith  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Yes, the size of the plus series is what turned me off of it. The 6 and 6s 
> are large enough by plenty. 
> 
> That is interesting that the 6s battery life is comparable to the 5s. 
> 
> I'll definitely keep those thoughts in mind.
> 
> Gabe
> 
> 
>> On Oct 21, 2015, at 3:18 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> It seems to me that the battery life on the 6S is rather the same as it was 
>> on the 5S. Bigger phone, bigger battery, but bigger display. Of course you 
>> got more battery life with the plus. But there is a trade-off, as it is much 
>> larger. Size alone was a showstopper for me.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Oct 21, 2015, at 1:24 PM, Gabe Griffith  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I'm thinking of upgrading my phone from the 5c. I'm considering anything 
>>> from the 5s to the 6 to the 6s. I am not interested in the plus series. A 
>>> friend has told me not to get the 6s because the battery life sucks. I 
>>> would like to hear any experiences that people on this list have had with 
>>> the 6s series of phones in relation to battery life.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Gabe
>>> 
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Re: OS X update released and watch OS 2.0.1 released

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

There really isn’t a change log as such, merely the release notes for the 
update that is presented on upgrade.  You can find a copy of those here:
http://osxdaily.com/2015/10/21/os-x-10-11-1-el-capitan-update-for-mac-available/

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Re: What's the word with the update for El Capitan and VO

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

My opinion is that unless you have a specific reason to move to El Capitan, 
staying put will give you the better experience.  At this stage I’d say the El 
Capitan experience is merely tolerable, but not great.  Responsiveness is a 
definite plus, and I have come to endure iBooks for sheer lack of choice and 
find that I’m glad not to have to remove it every time I update.  But other 
than that, it’s a bit meh, really.

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RE: moving in text

[Juan Hernandez]

Thank you thank you thank you.

Best,

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Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 3:24 PM
To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: moving in text

Hi,

Yes.  The commands are:
Move to beginning of line: Command-Left
Move to end of line: Command-Right
Move to top: Command-Up
Move to bottom: Command-Down

Hope it helps.

Cheers,
Sabahattin

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Re: What's the word with the update for El Capitan and VO

[Krister Ekstrom]

Hi,
The bug with text being cut off is slowly being squashed. For me, on my machine 
it happens but it doesn’t happen often anymore. It has been gradually better 
since the betas so i have full hope it will be totally fixed soon.
/Krister

> 22 okt. 2015 kl. 15:16 skrev Brian Fischler :
> 
> Have not seen a lot of traction about the El Capitan update that dropped 
> yesterday. Is anything fixed in safari? When you use your arrows to go from 
> link to link are the next links consistently read? Anyone having issues with 
> VO stability in safari as this was a major issue for me and I rolled back to 
> Yosemite, and my computer is running great since doing a Time Machine restore 
> back to Yosemite. Will not be running out to update, but curious if the 
> Capitan experience is now better.
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Re: OS X update released and watch OS 2.0.1 released

['Gabriele Battaglia' via MacVisionaries]

Hi all.
Could someone can point me to the changelog for this last El capitan's 
release, please?

Many thanks.

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Re: These Simple Facebook Shortcuts Will Save You Time

[Brian Fischler]

If this worked it would be fantastic but I cannot seem to get the keys to work. 
I have tried these key sequences with both quick nav on and off but no luck. 
Tried control option and all the numbers but nothing happens, wonder if there 
is a conflict with VO and these keys. If anyone can figure this out let us 
know. Thanks,
> On Oct 21, 2015, at 2:39 PM, Blee Blat  wrote:
> 
> Thanks, that's really helpful. I will have to take another look at the 
> facebook page. I had been using the mobile site a lot but since they have 
> these shortcuts that could save a lot of trouble.
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What's the word with the update for El Capitan and VO

[Brian Fischler]

Have not seen a lot of traction about the El Capitan update that dropped 
yesterday. Is anything fixed in safari? When you use your arrows to go from 
link to link are the next links consistently read? Anyone having issues with VO 
stability in safari as this was a major issue for me and I rolled back to 
Yosemite, and my computer is running great since doing a Time Machine restore 
back to Yosemite. Will not be running out to update, but curious if the Capitan 
experience is now better.

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RE: iPhone 6S question

[george b]

I can ditto scott's comments

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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhone 6S question

Hi Gabe, your friend is on the crack pipe, the battery life in the 6s and 6s+ 
is better than the 6 and 6+ I would say by about 10 to 20% or so.

Also, I would encourage you to reconsider the plus option.  The extra real 
estate is nice for people with larger hands like myself and also there’s real 
optical stabilization of images instead of digital stabilization which can work 
a bit better for character recognition.  (I’m willing to be corrected on that 
this is what I have heard)
The 6S+ and 6S have far better cellular radios and work fantastically 
on the network as well as great WiFi support and the new processor makes things 
pop.  I would go 6S+ if I were you but if you still don’t want the + definitely 
6S.

Hope that helps.


> On Oct 21, 2015, at 4:24 PM, Gabe Griffith  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I'm thinking of upgrading my phone from the 5c. I'm considering anything from 
> the 5s to the 6 to the 6s. I am not interested in the plus series. A friend 
> has told me not to get the 6s because the battery life sucks. I would like to 
> hear any experiences that people on this list have had with the 6s series of 
> phones in relation to battery life.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Gabe
> 
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Re: Fourth GEN Apple TV has no Bluetooth keyboard support

[Scott Granados]

What kind of TV do you have that has voice included?  I hear my Samsung TV can 
do it but don’t know much about it first hand.

> On Oct 21, 2015, at 5:56 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> Hi Scott.
> 
> Let us know how you get on with the new TV.  I was going to buy one but as I 
> have a talking Smart TV I don’t feel there is a need anymore.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Kawal.
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>> On 21 Oct 2015, at 13:50, Scott Granados > > wrote:
>> 
>> I don’t know, Siri has gotten a lot lot better in the last few weeks even.  
>> Since IOS 9 and the new phone the performance has been much better.  A lot 
>> faster responses and the recognition seems much more rock solid.  I’m sure 
>> it will still screw up at times but the reliability has definitely increased 
>> on this side.
>> 
>>> On Oct 20, 2015, at 4:47 PM, Mary Otten >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Having never seen this new model, it is hard to say what advantages the 
>>> Bluetooth keyboard might be present for a voiceover user. Certainly with 
>>> the previous Apple TV, which I do own, Bluetooth keyboard navigation is way 
>>> faster than using the otherwise supplied remote. Typing in searches is so 
>>> much more convenient as is navigating around the screen in general. Until 
>>> we know how this touchpad remote is going to work for voice over users, 
>>> nobody can say how much better or not better the Bluetooth keyboard support 
>>> would be. And if the Siri search is truly reliable, then that's great. But 
>>> we all know that Siri sometimes screws up, and in such cases, Shirley 
>>> typing will be better than anything a touch screen offers.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
 On Oct 20, 2015, at 1:40 PM, E.T. >>> > wrote:
 
 What advantage might a keyboard offer over the use of the touch screen 
 remote? Does the 4th present features where a keyboard would actually be 
 beneficial?
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
 ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
 Many believe that we have been visited
 in the past. What if it were true?
 
> On 10/20/2015 1:18 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
> I was just reading an article from 9 to 5 Mac which was talking about the 
> fourth generation Apple TV which is due out soon. One of the things they 
> said is that this model does not have support for Bluetooth keyboards. I 
> know it has the new Siri search capability. And it has the new remote 
> control with the touch panel. But I am still kind of bummed that there is 
> no Bluetooth keyboard support. Still don't know how this touch panel is 
> going to work out in terms of navigation with voiceover. I wasn't going 
> to run out and buy one anyway right at first. But this no Bluetooth deal 
> reinforces that decision. Good luck to the early adopters.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
 
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Re: OS X update released and watch OS 2.0.1 released

[Scott Granados]

So far so good on the self muting bug as well.  Hasn’t happened since upgrade.

> On Oct 21, 2015, at 4:13 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> At least my Safari issue is unresolved, however it looks like they might—and 
> this isn’t confirmed yet, but they might—have sorted out that annoying 
> self-muting trick whereby VO cuts itself off while navigating.  Nothing else 
> yet, touch wood …
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Re: iPhone 6S question

[Scott Granados]

Hi Gabe, your friend is on the crack pipe, the battery life in the 6s and 6s+ 
is better than the 6 and 6+ I would say by about 10 to 20% or so.

Also, I would encourage you to reconsider the plus option.  The extra real 
estate is nice for people with larger hands like myself and also there’s real 
optical stabilization of images instead of digital stabilization which can work 
a bit better for character recognition.  (I’m willing to be corrected on that 
this is what I have heard)
The 6S+ and 6S have far better cellular radios and work fantastically 
on the network as well as great WiFi support and the new processor makes things 
pop.  I would go 6S+ if I were you but if you still don’t want the + definitely 
6S.

Hope that helps.


> On Oct 21, 2015, at 4:24 PM, Gabe Griffith  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I'm thinking of upgrading my phone from the 5c. I'm considering anything from 
> the 5s to the 6 to the 6s. I am not interested in the plus series. A friend 
> has told me not to get the 6s because the battery life sucks. I would like to 
> hear any experiences that people on this list have had with the 6s series of 
> phones in relation to battery life.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Gabe
> 
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Re: iPhone 6S question

[Kevin Barry]

I suggest you get more knowledgeable friends.

On Thursday, October 22, 2015, Gabe Griffith 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Yes, the size of the plus series is what turned me off of it. The 6 and 6s
> are large enough by plenty.
>
> That is interesting that the 6s battery life is comparable to the 5s.
>
> I'll definitely keep those thoughts in mind.
>
> Gabe
>
>
> On Oct 21, 2015, at 3:18 PM, Mary Otten >
> wrote:
>
> > It seems to me that the battery life on the 6S is rather the same as it
> was on the 5S. Bigger phone, bigger battery, but bigger display. Of course
> you got more battery life with the plus. But there is a trade-off, as it is
> much larger. Size alone was a showstopper for me.
> > Mary
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> >> On Oct 21, 2015, at 1:24 PM, Gabe Griffith  > wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> I'm thinking of upgrading my phone from the 5c. I'm considering
> anything from the 5s to the 6 to the 6s. I am not interested in the plus
> series. A friend has told me not to get the 6s because the battery life
> sucks. I would like to hear any experiences that people on this list have
> had with the 6s series of phones in relation to battery life.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Gabe
> >>
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Re: moving in text

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Juan,
Here are the basic navigation commands:
Right one character - Right Arrow;
Left one character - Left Arrow;
Right one word - Option-Right Arrow;
Left one word - Option-Left Arrow;
Go to the end of the line - Cmd-Right Arrow;
Go to the beginning of the line - Cmd-Left Arrow;
Go to previous line - Up Arro;
Go to next line - Down Arrow;
Go to the beginning of the paragraph - Option-Up Arrow;
Go to the end of the paragraph - Option-Down Arrow;
Go to the beginning of the document - Cmd-Up Arrow;
Go to the end of the document - Cmd-Down Arrow.
Add the Shift key to any of these commands to select the text.

Cheers,

Anne


> On 22 Oct 2015, at 00:12, Juan Hernandez  wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> I would like to know, if there are equivalent commands like in windows for 
> the below?
> 
> home: places someone at the beginning of the line
> end:  places someone at the end of a line
> ctrl+home:  puts you at the top of the file
> ctrl+end:  puts you at the end of the file
> 
> I am in eclipse’s code editor, but I think what I am looking for can work 
> anywhere there is a text area, like text edit.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Juan Hernandez
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