date:20170420

2017-04-20 Thread Michael Babcock, Host of the Your Own Pay Podcast

You know I don’t even think the consumer issue is as deep as you say.  I don’t 
think most people care not because of anything other than most are totally 
unaware of what’s going on around them and sort of fall to the lowest common 
denominator.  For example, I used to work as a recording engineer in a previous 
career.  The studio I primarily worked in had a very nice monitoring 
environment with very high end speakers and signal path etc.  However, when we 
did our final mixes we not only used the high end in room monitors but we’d 
bring in and attach these real cheesy Radio Shack Minimus 7 garbage speakers 
that were something like $100 per pair.  We’d get the mix to sound good on 
these because 99% of the consuming public had crap quality playback equipment 
like the cheese ball book shelf systems etc.  Another thing we did was use a 
low power stereo FM transmitter and sit in a car listening to the recording on 
the in car audio and then call in to the control room to have a guy left behind 
make the changes.  This way we mixed to where most people listen to music, in 
their cars commuting.  The point is I don’t think the majority of people care 
about sound quality.  Your example of MP3 is a great one.  I understand the 
need for heavy compression and data games at first when memory was a premium 
but now that storage is approaching 0 in cost that compression should in my 
opinion go away.  With the storage and bandwidth available ubiquitously now 
there’s no reason for lossy compression.  But I’m in the minority because I 
care about my sound quality.  Most do not.

> On Apr 20, 2017, at 5:50 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> well, given there is no more uniformity  in appreciating sound then there is  
> a uniform sighted verses blind people  concept at all, I would say certainly 
> some do.
> What tends to happen with consumers in general is that they think it is 
> supposed to be that bad  because they hear it everywhere.  MP3 content can be 
> the same, with a desire for better sound feeding  the return of lp records.
> Companies and individuals who take their communication seriously either use 
> different services, instant teleconference for example, or run the sound 
> through a proper filter.
> Not everyone calls in on the same sort of device, and I have yet to be at a 
> zoom event where the presenter tried taking questions, or doing more than the 
> captive audience thing.
> Still this has nothing to do with the nonexistent two sides of a coin concept 
> of  sight or its absence.
> Kare
> 
> 
> On Thu, 20 Apr 2017, Caitlyn Furness wrote:
> 
>> Lots of these webinar things have bad sound quality-and the more you have on 
>> the lines, etc, the worse it seems to be!!  Wonder if sighted people think 
>> the quality is as bad as most of us probably do?!
>> 
>> Cait
>> 
>>> On Apr 20, 2017, at 12:25 PM, Karen Lewellen  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I will add that  zoom allows you to give participant's a call in number 
>>> instead, a fine option for those ho prefer attending without video at all.
>>> Granted as is often the case when the audio is video based, the quality is 
>>> sort of nose crinkle  worthy, but at least the door for phone alone is 
>>> there.
>>> Karen
>>> 
>>> On Thu, 20 Apr 2017, Kliphton Miller wrote:
>>> 
 I HAVE BEEN USING ZOOM FOR ABOUT A YEAR, IT IS MOSTLY ACCESSIBLE, JUST 
 THAT SOME OPTIONS THAT ARE available to the sited user, vo doesn’t read 
 during a conference, but it’s not a deal breaker.
> On Apr 20, 2017, at 6:06 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> I saw on Twitter yesterday that a new web conferencing service was 
> discovered recently: www.zoom.us . The big news here 
> is that they have an accessibility website (https://zoom.us/accessibility 
> ), an email address (acc...@zoom.us 
> ), and a commitment to keeping their product 
> accessible. They claim compatibility with VoiceOver, Talkback, and NVDA, 
> covering all the major platforms.
> 
> I haven't tried the service at all, and am going off only what I read on 
> their website and in the article that pointed me to them in the first 
> place. However, things look good. If you're in need of this kine of 
> service and you try Zoom, I'd love to hear what you thought of the 
> experience.
> 
> I haven't been following the Citrix thread, so I apologize if this was 
> already brought up over there.
> 
> --
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> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Accessible web conferencing: zoom.us

Cara:
I’ve forwarded this message on to zoom.
supp...@zoom.us 
This is in hopes that they reply and we can find a positive resolution to the 
issues users are facing with it.
Everyone’s use case scenario is different, for example I schedule my meetings 
and webinars on my account page in Safari. 
(Sign into the account you want to schedule a meeting in and go to:
https://zoom.us/meeting/schedule 
)
The way to get around the date issue on this page is to press your voiceover 
keys plus Space Key on the date, use table navigation to jump to the table, 
select the date within the table, , interact with the sell, press vo+Space, and 
then type in the time in the edit box, 
NOTE: after you select the date, (available dates are links, unavailable dates 
are just numbers), voiceover automatically stops interacting with the table. 
Focus for me is then brought back to the top of the page, so I typed find for 
the number of the day I selected, which jumps focus back to the date. I press 
tab and you can then select the time by typing it into the edit box.
E.G. 10:24
When you press tab again your asked to select"a.m., or p.m.", if you press VO 
Left once, you'll hear either option selected, and this is a link. Selecting 
this link will place voiceover in a edit box, press voiceover right arrow to 
select which option you would like the meeting to be scheduled for.
The timezone selection is the same way FYI.
I don't know if you can view your meetings from the zoom application on either 
Mac OS or iOS, I live out of Google calendar so my links I need to attend our 
either in the event or there in my email notification that comes 10 minutes 
before the time I need to be there.
However, I have seen the focus issues with the chat window, most especially in 
a presentation I gave yesterday showing other users how to use zoom.
Additionally I've also seen at focus issues in the members list, for example 
voiceover doesn't seem to keep focused on the list of members and if you're 
trying to quickly switch between members list and chat Focus tends to become 
lost. I don't know how to explain it…

I've also explained how individuals viewing a webinar or attending a meeting 
cannot interact with the pole feature at least on the Mac, and hosts on the Mac 
cannot either interact with the pole or read the results live in a previous 
communication with zoom, so am hopeful that they look into this.

I do not know how accessible the reports are, I'll be testing those over the 
next couple of weeks as I'm hosting some webinars for a few clients.
Additionally, as noted in this message I forwarded, I also have found pressing 
the broadcast button when a webinar is in test only mode, seems to be 
impossible with voiceover on the Mac. How I've gotten around this is to set my 
iPhone as a alternative host, and then press the broadcast button from it.
Now I will say as outlined in this video I recorded it on YouTube:Accessible 
webinar software for the blind
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJXzEYfG8NM 

That accessibility has changed from one update to another, so be sure that you 
are running the latest update of zoom just to verify that some of the mentioned 
things you brought up are not remedied.
"Good Day:

As I know it’s likely your team doesn’t monitor forms like the one below, I 
thought I should send this to you and give it to your team for feedback.
I’ve seen this type of behavior when trying to use the “broadcast”button on the 
Mac with zoom for webinars, as Voiceover doesn’t ever allow me to press it.
I suggest someone form your team subscribe to this form and to
http://applevis.com/ 
To acquire feedback from the users of your platform who are using it on a daily 
bases.
Hoping this finds you all well.
Best.
Michael
"
Hears a page to bring up when providing feedback, they want to do good however 
lets help them with providing feedback:
"
Commitment
Zoom is committed to ensuring universal access to our products and services, so 
that all meeting hosts and participants can have the best experience possible. 
Zoom's accessibility features enable users with disabilities to schedule, 
attend, and participate in Zoom meetings and webinars, view recordings, and 
access administrative features across our supported devices.
“
http://zoom.us/accessibility 
> 

> On Apr 20, 2017, at 6:00 PM, Cara Quinn  wrote:
> 
> Karen and All,
> 
> I have also been using Zoom with a corporate account pretty much every day 
> for about a year now but unlike everyone else posting here so far, I have 
> encountered a number of really bothersome accessibility issues.
> 
> So I am wondering if you or someone else in this thread may be able to tell 
> me what the heck I am doing wrong! lol!
> 
> Firstly, in scheduling a meeting on the Mac, choosing a date causes VO to get 
>

Re: wordpress VoiceOver content management solutions

2017-04-20 Thread Caitlyn Furness

Hi,
Great post, John!!

Just to kind of back  on what John has already written, you can do lots and 
lots with word press and the many many plug ins that you can choose from.  If 
you aren’t afraid to get your hands dirty, you can learn to do all this 
yourself(yes, there might be a learning curve), and this might cost less in the 
long run then hiring a consultant.   Word press does have plug ins and themes  
for store fronts, if that’s where your interest lies.  I do all my own web site 
stuff, and if I need work on graphics, logos, etc, I outsource that with a 
couple of different free lancer sites on the ‘net for quite reasonable prices.  
As far as the web hosting company, like I said before, mine is dream host, and 
I pay around $10/month for my site.  You also need a domain, and this will 
depend on the particular one or ones you want as far as registration fees, etc. 
 Sometimes, you can get sales on the name you’d like, etc.  If I remember 
correctly, it cost me around $12 to register my first domain, and I just got 
another one last month on sale for $2.  You have to renew those either yearly 
or every couple of years, depending on where you bought them and their terms, 
etc.

I am not an expert, by any means, but if you want to email me privately about 
this web site stuff, please feel free.  My eamil is caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com 
, and my site is at www.caitlynfurness.com 
, just so you can see what I’ve managed to do 
all on my own with just some reading of tutorials, hints from various people, 
and using word press and spending some time with it.

HTH,
Caitlyn

> On Apr 20, 2017, at 10:54 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> Chuck,
> 
> I think you need to decide on your goals. Nothing about CMS needs to be 
> associated with facebook unless you want it to. Generally, I think of CMS as 
> being a master electronic management system it is essential for large 
> organizations  since they will have multiple people adding to the web site, 
> and need to force controls like standard look accessibility and peer review. 
> 
> If you will be the maintaining of most of the imformation, then I suggest you 
> start simple and expand as necessary. It is better to have a good structure 
> of a small amount of information then a web site that was designed for 10,000 
> pages but only has three with relevant information. 
> 
> As an owner of copyrighted material that you might be distributing, having a 
> good store front to find and purchase securely that copyrighted material 
> might be essential for you. Certainly listen to your consultant, but your 
> consultant will want to have you paying a regular fee for his services, this 
> is great if you need regular updates in style and function, but if you are 
> putting out a electronic business card with maybe a monthly update on 
> services, then  make sure you aren't spending too much on the consultant. 
> WordPress has themes out of the box that are accessible, and I believe they 
> have some kind of badge to indicate what is accessible. 
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
>> On Apr 20, 2017, at 10:55 AM, CHUCK REICHEL > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi List,
>> What is being used to do content management that  is VoiceOver friendly.
>> I'm looking for a solution "APP" that I can do content management with.
>> I'm in discussions with a guy  who said he can build me a new Sound Picture 
>> Recording site and can put the VoiceOver "tags" in it for accessibility.
>> 
>> I don't use Face book enough to do content management  through it at this 
>> point.
>> Also is it true that  wordpress offerers a "html template"
>> Thanks for some direction on building & content management of a new site.
>> Ps whats the most cost effective "hosting"  building solutions out 
>> there?
>> Thanks
>> Chuck
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> CHUCK REICHEL
>> soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com 
>> www.SoundPictureRecording.com 
>> 954-742-0019
>> GUFFAWING :)
>> In GOD I Trust
>> 
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Re: Accessible web conferencing: zoom.us

2017-04-20 Thread Kliphton Miller

I avoid the Mac version all together.  I can’t speak to the screen sharing, but 
everything else you mentioned, is completely accessible within the IOS app.  
Scheduling a meeting, adding participants, and even adding it to your calendar.
> On Apr 20, 2017, at 9:00 PM, Cara Quinn  wrote:
> 
> Karen and All,
> 
> I have also been using Zoom with a corporate account pretty much every day 
> for about a year now but unlike everyone else posting here so far, I have 
> encountered a number of really bothersome accessibility issues.
> 
> So I am wondering if you or someone else in this thread may be able to tell 
> me what the heck I am doing wrong! lol!
> 
> Firstly, in scheduling a meeting on the Mac, choosing a date causes VO to get 
> stuck in the date area.
> 
> Once I figured out that I needed to interact with the date again, I was not 
> able to hear which field I was editing with up and down arrows. More 
> accurately, I can hear the items which are changing but once I have selected 
> an item and use the left or right arrows to move to the next item, no time or 
> date elements are announced until I start using up or down arrows to edit 
> them.
> 
> So I basically need to just guess at which time or date element I am editing 
> at any given moment.
> 
> this is further complicated by the fact that once I am done editing the time 
> and date, Voiceover still seems to be stuck in the date area and it is only 
> by luck that I am able to get out of this area and not change anything I have 
> just set.
> 
> Once I get through that horror show, then I need to be careful when moving 
> through the rest of the scheduling window so as not to accidentally get 
> caught in the date area again.
> 
> So finally, once I have scheduled the meeting successfully, I then go to my 
> meetings tab and am greeted with a grid of unknown cells which I then need to 
> interact with to see which contains my scheduled meeting. Once I do that, 
> there is no obvious way to add participants to it.
> 
> If I click on the Contacts tab to access my company contacts I find a really 
> funky table that seems to cause Voiceover to keep jumping in the list of 
> people as if the list is constantly refreshing.
> 
> Once I am able to select a person, I am placed into what looks like a chat 
> window and again, Voiceover gets stuck in this window. I.E. I can press 
> Escape to get out of the chat window but as soon as Voiceover moves out of 
> the window its focus is immediately brought back into the chat window again.
> 
> This insanity also sometimes happens when I am just moving through the table 
> trying to locate a person. I.E. I will be looking for someone and suddenly I 
> will just end up in a chat window with a random person I am passing by in the 
> constantly refreshing list of contacts.
> 
> I am assuming this list keeps refreshing to keep up with coworkers statuses 
> and such but for God’s sake, there needs to be a way to turn this off. lol!
> 
> Needless to say this is all just hellishly annoying to say the least when I 
> just want / need to get work done. So I am really curious at what others’ are 
> doing to make this app usable.
> 
> I have not even gotten into the squirreliness on the iOS client or the window 
> juggling I seem to need to do when hosting a live meeting or presentation on 
> the Mac where I need to do screen sharing. It’s all just a bit much for me. 
> :) -And certainly is not ready to be called accessible at a corporate level 
> in my opinion.
> 
> So for me personally, calling this accessible is really kind of a stretch. 
> It’s sort of usable but not what I would consider accessible or at all 
> enjoyable. :)
> 
> Just my opinion of course and as I say, I am more than excited to hear 
> others’ feedback if it can help me tame this beastie! lol!
> 
> thanks bunches All and do have a lovely evening / morning / day, wherever you 
> may be on this little blue-green ball of ours.
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> Cara
> ---
> iOS design and development - LookTel.com 
> ---
> View my Online Portfolio at:
> 
> http://www.onemodelplace.com/models/Cara-Quinn 
> 
> 
> Follow me on Twitter!
> 
> https://twitter.com/ModelCara 
> 
> On Apr 20, 2017, at 10:25 AM, Karen Lewellen  > wrote:
> 
> I will add that  zoom allows you to give participant's a call in number 
> instead, a fine option for those ho prefer attending without video at all.
> Granted as is often the case when the audio is video based, the quality is 
> sort of nose crinkle  worthy, but at least the door for phone alone is there.
> Karen
> 
> On Thu, 20 Apr 2017, Kliphton Miller wrote:
> 
>> I HAVE BEEN USING ZOOM FOR ABOUT A YEAR, IT IS MOSTLY ACCESSIBLE, JUST THAT 
>> SOME OPTIONS THAT ARE available to the sited user, vo doesn’t read during a 
>> conference, but it’s not a deal

Re: wordpress VoiceOver content management solutions

2017-04-20 Thread Jonathan Cohn

Chuck,

I think you need to decide on your goals. Nothing about CMS needs to be 
associated with facebook unless you want it to. Generally, I think of CMS as 
being a master electronic management system it is essential for large 
organizations  since they will have multiple people adding to the web site, and 
need to force controls like standard look accessibility and peer review. 

If you will be the maintaining of most of the imformation, then I suggest you 
start simple and expand as necessary. It is better to have a good structure of 
a small amount of information then a web site that was designed for 10,000 
pages but only has three with relevant information. 

As an owner of copyrighted material that you might be distributing, having a 
good store front to find and purchase securely that copyrighted material might 
be essential for you. Certainly listen to your consultant, but your consultant 
will want to have you paying a regular fee for his services, this is great if 
you need regular updates in style and function, but if you are putting out a 
electronic business card with maybe a monthly update on services, then  make 
sure you aren't spending too much on the consultant. WordPress has themes out 
of the box that are accessible, and I believe they have some kind of badge to 
indicate what is accessible. 

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn

> On Apr 20, 2017, at 10:55 AM, CHUCK REICHEL  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi List,
> What is being used to do content management that  is VoiceOver friendly.
> I'm looking for a solution "APP" that I can do content management with.
> I'm in discussions with a guy  who said he can build me a new Sound Picture 
> Recording site and can put the VoiceOver "tags" in it for accessibility.
> 
> I don't use Face book enough to do content management  through it at this 
> point.
> Also is it true that  wordpress offerers a "html template"
> Thanks for some direction on building & content management of a new site.
> Ps whats the most cost effective "hosting"  building solutions out there?
> Thanks
> Chuck
> 
> 
> 
> CHUCK REICHEL
> soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com 
> www.SoundPictureRecording.com 
> 954-742-0019
> GUFFAWING :)
> In GOD I Trust
> 
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Re: Accessible web conferencing: zoom.us

2017-04-20 Thread Dan Eickmeier

Cara, is this zoom.us thing, a web, browser based thing?  Or is it an app?  
> On Apr 20, 2017, at 9:00 PM, Cara Quinn  wrote:
> 
> Karen and All,
> 
> I have also been using Zoom with a corporate account pretty much every day 
> for about a year now but unlike everyone else posting here so far, I have 
> encountered a number of really bothersome accessibility issues.
> 
> So I am wondering if you or someone else in this thread may be able to tell 
> me what the heck I am doing wrong! lol!
> 
> Firstly, in scheduling a meeting on the Mac, choosing a date causes VO to get 
> stuck in the date area.
> 
> Once I figured out that I needed to interact with the date again, I was not 
> able to hear which field I was editing with up and down arrows. More 
> accurately, I can hear the items which are changing but once I have selected 
> an item and use the left or right arrows to move to the next item, no time or 
> date elements are announced until I start using up or down arrows to edit 
> them.
> 
> So I basically need to just guess at which time or date element I am editing 
> at any given moment.
> 
> this is further complicated by the fact that once I am done editing the time 
> and date, Voiceover still seems to be stuck in the date area and it is only 
> by luck that I am able to get out of this area and not change anything I have 
> just set.
> 
> Once I get through that horror show, then I need to be careful when moving 
> through the rest of the scheduling window so as not to accidentally get 
> caught in the date area again.
> 
> So finally, once I have scheduled the meeting successfully, I then go to my 
> meetings tab and am greeted with a grid of unknown cells which I then need to 
> interact with to see which contains my scheduled meeting. Once I do that, 
> there is no obvious way to add participants to it.
> 
> If I click on the Contacts tab to access my company contacts I find a really 
> funky table that seems to cause Voiceover to keep jumping in the list of 
> people as if the list is constantly refreshing.
> 
> Once I am able to select a person, I am placed into what looks like a chat 
> window and again, Voiceover gets stuck in this window. I.E. I can press 
> Escape to get out of the chat window but as soon as Voiceover moves out of 
> the window its focus is immediately brought back into the chat window again.
> 
> This insanity also sometimes happens when I am just moving through the table 
> trying to locate a person. I.E. I will be looking for someone and suddenly I 
> will just end up in a chat window with a random person I am passing by in the 
> constantly refreshing list of contacts.
> 
> I am assuming this list keeps refreshing to keep up with coworkers statuses 
> and such but for God’s sake, there needs to be a way to turn this off. lol!
> 
> Needless to say this is all just hellishly annoying to say the least when I 
> just want / need to get work done. So I am really curious at what others’ are 
> doing to make this app usable.
> 
> I have not even gotten into the squirreliness on the iOS client or the window 
> juggling I seem to need to do when hosting a live meeting or presentation on 
> the Mac where I need to do screen sharing. It’s all just a bit much for me. 
> :) -And certainly is not ready to be called accessible at a corporate level 
> in my opinion.
> 
> So for me personally, calling this accessible is really kind of a stretch. 
> It’s sort of usable but not what I would consider accessible or at all 
> enjoyable. :)
> 
> Just my opinion of course and as I say, I am more than excited to hear 
> others’ feedback if it can help me tame this beastie! lol!
> 
> thanks bunches All and do have a lovely evening / morning / day, wherever you 
> may be on this little blue-green ball of ours.
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> Cara
> ---
> iOS design and development - LookTel.com
> ---
> View my Online Portfolio at:
> 
> http://www.onemodelplace.com/models/Cara-Quinn
> 
> Follow me on Twitter!
> 
> https://twitter.com/ModelCara
> 
> On Apr 20, 2017, at 10:25 AM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> I will add that  zoom allows you to give participant's a call in number 
> instead, a fine option for those ho prefer attending without video at all.
> Granted as is often the case when the audio is video based, the quality is 
> sort of nose crinkle  worthy, but at least the door for phone alone is there.
> Karen
> 
> On Thu, 20 Apr 2017, Kliphton Miller wrote:
> 
>> I HAVE BEEN USING ZOOM FOR ABOUT A YEAR, IT IS MOSTLY ACCESSIBLE, JUST THAT 
>> SOME OPTIONS THAT ARE available to the sited user, vo doesn’t read during a 
>> conference, but it’s not a deal breaker.
>>> On Apr 20, 2017, at 6:06 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> I saw on Twitter yesterday that a new web conferencing service was 
>>> discovered recently: www.zoom.us . The big news here 
>>> is that they have an accessibility website

Re: Accessible web conferencing: zoom.us

2017-04-20 Thread Cara Quinn

Karen and All,

I have also been using Zoom with a corporate account pretty much every day for 
about a year now but unlike everyone else posting here so far, I have 
encountered a number of really bothersome accessibility issues.

So I am wondering if you or someone else in this thread may be able to tell me 
what the heck I am doing wrong! lol!

Firstly, in scheduling a meeting on the Mac, choosing a date causes VO to get 
stuck in the date area.

Once I figured out that I needed to interact with the date again, I was not 
able to hear which field I was editing with up and down arrows. More 
accurately, I can hear the items which are changing but once I have selected an 
item and use the left or right arrows to move to the next item, no time or date 
elements are announced until I start using up or down arrows to edit them.

So I basically need to just guess at which time or date element I am editing at 
any given moment.

this is further complicated by the fact that once I am done editing the time 
and date, Voiceover still seems to be stuck in the date area and it is only by 
luck that I am able to get out of this area and not change anything I have just 
set.

Once I get through that horror show, then I need to be careful when moving 
through the rest of the scheduling window so as not to accidentally get caught 
in the date area again.

So finally, once I have scheduled the meeting successfully, I then go to my 
meetings tab and am greeted with a grid of unknown cells which I then need to 
interact with to see which contains my scheduled meeting. Once I do that, there 
is no obvious way to add participants to it.

If I click on the Contacts tab to access my company contacts I find a really 
funky table that seems to cause Voiceover to keep jumping in the list of people 
as if the list is constantly refreshing.

Once I am able to select a person, I am placed into what looks like a chat 
window and again, Voiceover gets stuck in this window. I.E. I can press Escape 
to get out of the chat window but as soon as Voiceover moves out of the window 
its focus is immediately brought back into the chat window again.

This insanity also sometimes happens when I am just moving through the table 
trying to locate a person. I.E. I will be looking for someone and suddenly I 
will just end up in a chat window with a random person I am passing by in the 
constantly refreshing list of contacts.

I am assuming this list keeps refreshing to keep up with coworkers statuses and 
such but for God’s sake, there needs to be a way to turn this off. lol!

Needless to say this is all just hellishly annoying to say the least when I 
just want / need to get work done. So I am really curious at what others’ are 
doing to make this app usable.

I have not even gotten into the squirreliness on the iOS client or the window 
juggling I seem to need to do when hosting a live meeting or presentation on 
the Mac where I need to do screen sharing. It’s all just a bit much for me. :) 
-And certainly is not ready to be called accessible at a corporate level in my 
opinion.

So for me personally, calling this accessible is really kind of a stretch. It’s 
sort of usable but not what I would consider accessible or at all enjoyable. :)

Just my opinion of course and as I say, I am more than excited to hear others’ 
feedback if it can help me tame this beastie! lol!

thanks bunches All and do have a lovely evening / morning / day, wherever you 
may be on this little blue-green ball of ours.

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On Apr 20, 2017, at 10:25 AM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

I will add that  zoom allows you to give participant's a call in number 
instead, a fine option for those ho prefer attending without video at all.
Granted as is often the case when the audio is video based, the quality is sort 
of nose crinkle  worthy, but at least the door for phone alone is there.
Karen

On Thu, 20 Apr 2017, Kliphton Miller wrote:

> I HAVE BEEN USING ZOOM FOR ABOUT A YEAR, IT IS MOSTLY ACCESSIBLE, JUST THAT 
> SOME OPTIONS THAT ARE available to the sited user, vo doesn’t read during a 
> conference, but it’s not a deal breaker.
>> On Apr 20, 2017, at 6:06 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> I saw on Twitter yesterday that a new web conferencing service was 
>> discovered recently: www.zoom.us . The big news here is 
>> that they have an accessibility website (https://zoom.us/accessibility 
>> ), an email address (acc...@zoom.us 
>> ), and a commitment to keeping their product 
>> accessible. They claim compatibility with VoiceOver, Talkback, and NVDA, 
>> covering all the major platforms.
>> 
>> I haven't tried the service at all, and am going off only what I read on

Re: Accessible web conferencing: zoom.us

2017-04-20 Thread Karen Lewellen

well, given there is no more uniformity in appreciating sound then there
is a uniform sighted verses blind people concept at all, I would say
certainly some do.
What tends to happen with consumers in general is that they think it is
supposed to be that bad because they hear it everywhere. MP3 content can
be the same, with a desire for better sound feeding the return of lp
records.
Companies and individuals who take their communication seriously either
use different services, instant teleconference for example, or run the
sound through a proper filter.
Not everyone calls in on the same sort of device, and I have yet to be at a
zoom event where the presenter tried taking questions, or doing more than
the captive audience thing.
Still this has nothing to do with the nonexistent two sides of a coin concept
of sight or its absence.

Kare

On Thu, 20 Apr 2017, Caitlyn Furness wrote:

Lots of these webinar things have bad sound quality-and the more you have on
the lines, etc, the worse it seems to be!! Wonder if sighted people think the
quality is as bad as most of us probably do?!

Cait

On Apr 20, 2017, at 12:25 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

I will add that zoom allows you to give participant's a call in number
instead, a fine option for those ho prefer attending without video at all.
Granted as is often the case when the audio is video based, the quality is sort
of nose crinkle worthy, but at least the door for phone alone is there.
Karen

On Thu, 20 Apr 2017, Kliphton Miller wrote:

I HAVE BEEN USING ZOOM FOR ABOUT A YEAR, IT IS MOSTLY ACCESSIBLE, JUST THAT
SOME OPTIONS THAT ARE available to the sited user, vo doesn’t read during a
conference, but it’s not a deal breaker.

On Apr 20, 2017, at 6:06 AM, Alex Hall wrote:

Hi all,
I saw on Twitter yesterday that a new web conferencing service was discovered recently:
www.zoom.us . The big news here is that they have an accessibility
website (https://zoom.us/accessibility ), an email address
(acc...@zoom.us ), and a commitment to keeping their product
accessible. They claim compatibility with VoiceOver, Talkback, and NVDA, covering all the major
platforms.

I haven't tried the service at all, and am going off only what I read on their
website and in the article that pointed me to them in the first place. However,
things look good. If you're in need of this kine of service and you try Zoom,
I'd love to hear what you thought of the experience.

I haven't been following the Citrix thread, so I apologize if this was already
brought up over there.

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Re: Sitrix access

I am now working for a large not-for-profit organisation in Brisbane.

Kind regards,

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> On 20/04/2017, at 19:02, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi David,
>  
> Your not working for the university of Otago by any chance are you?
>  
> Sounds like the sort of things they’d do.
>  
> Mind you they said they don’t know how to setup jaws within the citrix 
> environment which was great as they told me I wasn’t allowed to either.
>  
> Good luck and I hope they make things work for you.
>  
> Sf\
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden
> Sent: Thursday, 20 April 2017 7:01 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Sitrix access
>  
> Thanks all.
>  
> It turns out, the company has two other blind employees. They will not place 
> JFW on the Citrix do to security concerns. However, the fix is to provide the 
> blind employee with a laptop which is configured for local access. I then 
> carry the laptop with me for work. Now, back to Windows 7 after 6 years of 
> Mac and iOS.
> 
> Kind regards,
>  
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +61 488 988 936
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 20/04/2017, at 04:30, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> Also, unless you are running JAWS on both the remote and local machine, you 
> can expect that speech output will be choppy as the voice communications get 
> merged with  all the window activity. When JAWS or WindowEyes is run on both 
> system and the licensing is correctly recognized, then the remote system will 
> just send the text to be read or braille to your local machine and not the 
> complete sound f of the synthesized speech. 
>  
> On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 9:35 AM Scott Granados  
> wrote:
> The only way I know of doing this is with JFW.
> 
> Virtual desktops are a tricky thing.
> 
> > On Apr 19, 2017, at 4:40 AM, David Chittenden  wrote:
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I started a new job. The company requires Citrix to access the information 
> > drives.
> >
> > To be specific, the computers are set to automatically connect into a 
> > secure website. This site then displays username and password fields for 
> > log in. The system then uses Citrix Receiver to access the user's virtual 
> > desktop.
> >
> > I installed Citrix Receiver onto an iPhone and an iPad. Once the system 
> > accesses through Citrix, the interface becomes inaccessible. I then 
> > installed Citrix Receiver onto my 2011 MacBook Air. Again, Citrix Receiver 
> > worked, and again, the resulting screen is not accessible.
> >
> > Does anyone know of an app for iOS or Mac which will give VoiceOver access 
> > to the Citrix Receiver web remote interface desktop?
> >
> > Kind regards,
> >
> > David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> > Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
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Re: Sitrix access

As for running Windows, I will do most of my admin work on the iPad. The 
computer will mainly be used to place my completed paperwork on the network 
drives.

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> On 20/04/2017, at 17:58, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> That’s such a bogus reason not to install JFW.  Especially when you can 
> deploy it so it only runs for the specific users required.  All that is I 
> think is an IT department to lazy to do their jobs.  People bitch about jaws 
> or voice over and security in the mean time demanding that their favorite 
> messenger or media player is installed that really does have security 
> concerns.  (I’m sorry we can’t install JFW for you oh and get ready we’re 
> pushing out a new Java virtual machine). Right!
> 
> Not a bad work around though.  The only problem is having to run windows, 
> that would be a deal breaker for me.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Apr 20, 2017, at 3:01 AM, David Chittenden  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks all.
>> 
>> It turns out, the company has two other blind employees. They will not place 
>> JFW on the Citrix do to security concerns. However, the fix is to provide 
>> the blind employee with a laptop which is configured for local access. I 
>> then carry the laptop with me for work. Now, back to Windows 7 after 6 years 
>> of Mac and iOS.
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +61 488 988 936
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 20/04/2017, at 04:30, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Also, unless you are running JAWS on both the remote and local machine, you 
>>> can expect that speech output will be choppy as the voice communications 
>>> get merged with  all the window activity. When JAWS or WindowEyes is run on 
>>> both system and the licensing is correctly recognized, then the remote 
>>> system will just send the text to be read or braille to your local machine 
>>> and not the complete sound f of the synthesized speech. 
>>> 
 On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 9:35 AM Scott Granados  
 wrote:
 The only way I know of doing this is with JFW.
 
 Virtual desktops are a tricky thing.
 
 > On Apr 19, 2017, at 4:40 AM, David Chittenden  
 > wrote:
 >
 > Hi All,
 >
 > I started a new job. The company requires Citrix to access the 
 > information drives.
 >
 > To be specific, the computers are set to automatically connect into a 
 > secure website. This site then displays username and password fields for 
 > log in. The system then uses Citrix Receiver to access the user's 
 > virtual desktop.
 >
 > I installed Citrix Receiver onto an iPhone and an iPad. Once the system 
 > accesses through Citrix, the interface becomes inaccessible. I then 
 > installed Citrix Receiver onto my 2011 MacBook Air. Again, Citrix 
 > Receiver worked, and again, the resulting screen is not accessible.
 >
 > Does anyone know of an app for iOS or Mac which will give VoiceOver 
 > access to the Citrix Receiver web remote interface desktop?
 >
 > Kind regards,
 >
 > David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 > Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 > Mobile: +61 488 988 936
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Re: Sitrix access

I was really hoping the iPad would work. That said, I am glad they are giving 
me the local access laptop. The desktop computers are rather underpowered. They 
merely connect to the company's intranet through the internet, using secure 
servers. They are very slow to load the worker's desktop when one logs in. They 
have very little internal memory or storage, which is why the laptop is 
provided (the office desktop cannot support Jaws.

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> On 20/04/2017, at 17:58, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> That’s such a bogus reason not to install JFW.  Especially when you can 
> deploy it so it only runs for the specific users required.  All that is I 
> think is an IT department to lazy to do their jobs.  People bitch about jaws 
> or voice over and security in the mean time demanding that their favorite 
> messenger or media player is installed that really does have security 
> concerns.  (I’m sorry we can’t install JFW for you oh and get ready we’re 
> pushing out a new Java virtual machine). Right!
> 
> Not a bad work around though.  The only problem is having to run windows, 
> that would be a deal breaker for me.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Apr 20, 2017, at 3:01 AM, David Chittenden  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks all.
>> 
>> It turns out, the company has two other blind employees. They will not place 
>> JFW on the Citrix do to security concerns. However, the fix is to provide 
>> the blind employee with a laptop which is configured for local access. I 
>> then carry the laptop with me for work. Now, back to Windows 7 after 6 years 
>> of Mac and iOS.
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +61 488 988 936
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 20/04/2017, at 04:30, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Also, unless you are running JAWS on both the remote and local machine, you 
>>> can expect that speech output will be choppy as the voice communications 
>>> get merged with  all the window activity. When JAWS or WindowEyes is run on 
>>> both system and the licensing is correctly recognized, then the remote 
>>> system will just send the text to be read or braille to your local machine 
>>> and not the complete sound f of the synthesized speech. 
>>> 
 On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 9:35 AM Scott Granados  
 wrote:
 The only way I know of doing this is with JFW.
 
 Virtual desktops are a tricky thing.
 
 > On Apr 19, 2017, at 4:40 AM, David Chittenden  
 > wrote:
 >
 > Hi All,
 >
 > I started a new job. The company requires Citrix to access the 
 > information drives.
 >
 > To be specific, the computers are set to automatically connect into a 
 > secure website. This site then displays username and password fields for 
 > log in. The system then uses Citrix Receiver to access the user's 
 > virtual desktop.
 >
 > I installed Citrix Receiver onto an iPhone and an iPad. Once the system 
 > accesses through Citrix, the interface becomes inaccessible. I then 
 > installed Citrix Receiver onto my 2011 MacBook Air. Again, Citrix 
 > Receiver worked, and again, the resulting screen is not accessible.
 >
 > Does anyone know of an app for iOS or Mac which will give VoiceOver 
 > access to the Citrix Receiver web remote interface desktop?
 >
 > Kind regards,
 >
 > David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 > Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
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 > Sent from my iPhone
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Re: wordpress VoiceOver content management solutions

2017-04-20 Thread CHUCK REICHEL

Hi Caitlyn,
Thanks for the info.
May be this will clarify what I'm trying to do after some one builds my new 
site.

Heres what this guy james D who wants to build my new site said,   in regards 
to building my new site;
"You first have to think of a wordpress (or any other CMS site) has two 
separate "post types", a "page" and a "post", in it's simplest form.

A page is where you have your static content (but can be editable) and the 
"posts" are for "blogging, providing updates, or anything else you may want to 
post and allow commenting.

Now, I recommend for you is if you are familiar with using Facebook to post 
things, then use a plugin to import the FB posts into the site. There are a 
couple Premium plugins that will do this well by making "individual posts" to 
your site instead of just a "feed wall" from your facebook account.

Now if you don't mind using the website to post things there are plugins that 
do the reverse but I am not sure as to the extent.

Take note, some of these plugins, depending on "free" version functions, may 
need a premium version to attain exactly want you may want for any given task.

If you are active on Facebook I recommend the first scenario as the world goes 
to FB and the communication is faster and instant considering emails from your 
server and no live chat etc..

Everything else is template choice, layout and design, artwork, content and 
time.
If you would like me to go forward with your site, then I could either charge 
an hourly rate or a flat price, however the flat price does have it's "time 
allotted restraints, like block rates for studios. On average I charge a 
minimum $30 an hour for a site build with at least a $120.00 non-refundable 
deposit to cover the first 4 hours of time. An average site, with content 
provided, usually takes 15-20hrs depending on your approval of the finished 
product. If I have to create logos, etc., etc., then it could run up to 
40-50hrs because of the back and forth of approvals and time making changes. 
Artwork is alway a subjective thing to the beholder."
I personally am not a web site builder, I just don't have the time.
What  I'm talking about is using VoiceOver to do the "content management" after 
some one builds the initial site.
Thats why I was asking about the options to do this.
How much does dream host charge for your site hosting?
My business just happens to be an audio recording studio and yes we do voice 
overs to. :)
Thanks
Chuck

On Apr 20, 2017, at 4:10 PM, Caitlyn Furness wrote:

> Hi chuck,
> 
> I am using word press on a self hosted site with little to no problems.  I 
> actually quite like it.
> 
> As for some of the things you are asking, it’s not clear to me what you are 
> after, from the way you are wording things.  I am not aware that you can 
> actually use Facebook, for example, as a CMS.  I don’t know what you are 
> talking about with the sound engineer stuff, as I am not in that field-are 
> you talking about using voiceover on the mac, or doing voiceovers as in the 
> production of things, like commercials, etc?
> 
> anyway, I hope this helped just a little!!
> 
> Caitlyn
> ps-there are many many solutions for web hosting.  The most cost effective 
> will vary, depending on your budget and what you want and need.  I personally 
> use dream host and love them, but there are many others which are equally as 
> good.
> 
> 
>> On Apr 20, 2017, at 10:55 AM, CHUCK REICHEL 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi List,
>> What is being used to do content management that  is VoiceOver friendly.
>> I'm looking for a solution "APP" that I can do content management with.
>> I'm in discussions with a guy  who said he can build me a new Sound Picture 
>> Recording site and can put the VoiceOver "tags" in it for accessibility.
>> 
>> I don't use Face book enough to do content management  through it at this 
>> point.
>> Also is it true that  wordpress offerers a "html template"
>> Thanks for some direction on building & content management of a new site.
>> Ps whats the most cost effective "hosting"  building solutions out 
>> there?
>> Thanks
>> Chuck
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> CHUCK REICHEL
>> soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com
>> www.SoundPictureRecording.com
>> 954-742-0019
>> GUFFAWING :)
>> In GOD I Trust
>> 
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Re: Accessible web conferencing: zoom.us

Cait, yes they do.  I worked for a long time for Fidelity Investments where we 
built a custom video and audio conferencing system.  It replaced the one 
Verizon offers.  We actually took great care to have good quality audio along 
with fantastic video.  We supported from standard definition video up to 4K 30 
FPS non drop and on the audio side everything was G722 wide band so you’d get 
audio quality better than Skype calls in most settings.  On the phone side we 
supported G711 and G722 which means you either got something as good as a 
standard phone call or if your phone supported it like many cell phones do we 
would go wide band so again you’d get that nice crisp full audio.
The users liked it so much they scrapped the audio only conferencing 
service and before we knew it we had 5+ million minutes of business per week.  
We’d support thousands of parallel calls and were able to maintain crisp audio 
so the other guys can if they want to expend the effort and use the extra 
bandwidth.

> On Apr 20, 2017, at 4:14 PM, Caitlyn Furness  
> wrote:
> 
> Lots of these webinar things have bad sound quality-and the more you have on 
> the lines, etc, the worse it seems to be!!  Wonder if sighted people think 
> the quality is as bad as most of us probably do?!
> 
> Cait
> 
>> On Apr 20, 2017, at 12:25 PM, Karen Lewellen  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I will add that  zoom allows you to give participant's a call in number 
>> instead, a fine option for those ho prefer attending without video at all.
>> Granted as is often the case when the audio is video based, the quality is 
>> sort of nose crinkle  worthy, but at least the door for phone alone is there.
>> Karen
>> 
>> On Thu, 20 Apr 2017, Kliphton Miller wrote:
>> 
>>> I HAVE BEEN USING ZOOM FOR ABOUT A YEAR, IT IS MOSTLY ACCESSIBLE, JUST THAT 
>>> SOME OPTIONS THAT ARE available to the sited user, vo doesn’t read during a 
>>> conference, but it’s not a deal breaker.
 On Apr 20, 2017, at 6:06 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:

 Hi all,
 I saw on Twitter yesterday that a new web conferencing service was 
 discovered recently: www.zoom.us . The big news here 
 is that they have an accessibility website (https://zoom.us/accessibility 
 ), an email address (acc...@zoom.us 
 ), and a commitment to keeping their product 
 accessible. They claim compatibility with VoiceOver, Talkback, and NVDA, 
 covering all the major platforms.

 I haven't tried the service at all, and am going off only what I read on 
 their website and in the article that pointed me to them in the first 
 place. However, things look good. If you're in need of this kine of 
 service and you try Zoom, I'd love to hear what you thought of the 
 experience.

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 already brought up over there.

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Re: Accessible web conferencing: zoom.us

2017-04-20 Thread Kliphton Miller

With the weekly apple conference that I host, we all use the internet audio 
from the app, and the sound is great.  It’s usually about 7 to 10 of us.
> On Apr 20, 2017, at 4:14 PM, Caitlyn Furness  
> wrote:
> 
> Lots of these webinar things have bad sound quality-and the more you have on 
> the lines, etc, the worse it seems to be!!  Wonder if sighted people think 
> the quality is as bad as most of us probably do?!
> 
> Cait
> 
>> On Apr 20, 2017, at 12:25 PM, Karen Lewellen > > wrote:
>> 
>> I will add that  zoom allows you to give participant's a call in number 
>> instead, a fine option for those ho prefer attending without video at all.
>> Granted as is often the case when the audio is video based, the quality is 
>> sort of nose crinkle  worthy, but at least the door for phone alone is there.
>> Karen
>> 
>> On Thu, 20 Apr 2017, Kliphton Miller wrote:
>> 
>>> I HAVE BEEN USING ZOOM FOR ABOUT A YEAR, IT IS MOSTLY ACCESSIBLE, JUST THAT 
>>> SOME OPTIONS THAT ARE available to the sited user, vo doesn’t read during a 
>>> conference, but it’s not a deal breaker.
 On Apr 20, 2017, at 6:06 AM, Alex Hall > wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 I saw on Twitter yesterday that a new web conferencing service was 
 discovered recently: www.zoom.us  
 >. The big news here is that 
 they have an accessibility website (https://zoom.us/accessibility 
 >), an email address (acc...@zoom.us 
  >), 
 and a commitment to keeping their product accessible. They claim 
 compatibility with VoiceOver, Talkback, and NVDA, covering all the major 
 platforms.
 
 I haven't tried the service at all, and am going off only what I read on 
 their website and in the article that pointed me to them in the first 
 place. However, things look good. If you're in need of this kine of 
 service and you try Zoom, I'd love to hear what you thought of the 
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Re: Accessible web conferencing: zoom.us

2017-04-20 Thread Caitlyn Furness

Lots of these webinar things have bad sound quality-and the more you have on 
the lines, etc, the worse it seems to be!!  Wonder if sighted people think the 
quality is as bad as most of us probably do?!

Cait

> On Apr 20, 2017, at 12:25 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> I will add that  zoom allows you to give participant's a call in number 
> instead, a fine option for those ho prefer attending without video at all.
> Granted as is often the case when the audio is video based, the quality is 
> sort of nose crinkle  worthy, but at least the door for phone alone is there.
> Karen
> 
> On Thu, 20 Apr 2017, Kliphton Miller wrote:
> 
>> I HAVE BEEN USING ZOOM FOR ABOUT A YEAR, IT IS MOSTLY ACCESSIBLE, JUST THAT 
>> SOME OPTIONS THAT ARE available to the sited user, vo doesn’t read during a 
>> conference, but it’s not a deal breaker.
>>> On Apr 20, 2017, at 6:06 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> I saw on Twitter yesterday that a new web conferencing service was 
>>> discovered recently: www.zoom.us . The big news here 
>>> is that they have an accessibility website (https://zoom.us/accessibility 
>>> ), an email address (acc...@zoom.us 
>>> ), and a commitment to keeping their product 
>>> accessible. They claim compatibility with VoiceOver, Talkback, and NVDA, 
>>> covering all the major platforms.
>>> 
>>> I haven't tried the service at all, and am going off only what I read on 
>>> their website and in the article that pointed me to them in the first 
>>> place. However, things look good. If you're in need of this kine of service 
>>> and you try Zoom, I'd love to hear what you thought of the experience.
>>> 
>>> I haven't been following the Citrix thread, so I apologize if this was 
>>> already brought up over there.
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Re: wordpress VoiceOver content management solutions

2017-04-20 Thread Caitlyn Furness

Hi chuck,

I am using word press on a self hosted site with little to no problems.  I 
actually quite like it.

As for some of the things you are asking, it’s not clear to me what you are 
after, from the way you are wording things.  I am not aware that you can 
actually use Facebook, for example, as a CMS.  I don’t know what you are 
talking about with the sound engineer stuff, as I am not in that field-are you 
talking about using voiceover on the mac, or doing voiceovers as in the 
production of things, like commercials, etc?

anyway, I hope this helped just a little!!

Caitlyn
ps-there are many many solutions for web hosting.  The most cost effective will 
vary, depending on your budget and what you want and need.  I personally use 
dream host and love them, but there are many others which are equally as good.

> On Apr 20, 2017, at 10:55 AM, CHUCK REICHEL  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi List,
> What is being used to do content management that  is VoiceOver friendly.
> I'm looking for a solution "APP" that I can do content management with.
> I'm in discussions with a guy  who said he can build me a new Sound Picture 
> Recording site and can put the VoiceOver "tags" in it for accessibility.
> 
> I don't use Face book enough to do content management  through it at this 
> point.
> Also is it true that  wordpress offerers a "html template"
> Thanks for some direction on building & content management of a new site.
> Ps whats the most cost effective "hosting"  building solutions out there?
> Thanks
> Chuck
> 
> 
> 
> CHUCK REICHEL
> soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com 
> www.SoundPictureRecording.com 
> 954-742-0019
> GUFFAWING :)
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Re: Sirius xm app

2017-04-20 Thread Stacey Robinson

Are there any podcasts on using the app with VO?
I’m still trying to figure out what subscription package I want.
Peace,  
Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.

mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net

> On Apr 20, 2017, at 9:52 AM, 'Peggy' via MacVisionaries 
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> Just looked at the XM site, you do not need a radio to subscribe.
> Peggy and Dixie Marie
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Apr 20, 2017, at 10:05 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> You can just use the app.  The app has the access to the same content as they 
> beam over the air.
> 
>> On Apr 20, 2017, at 9:24 AM, Stacey Robinson  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> Do you have to have a radio or can you just use the app?
>> I have a free trial now.
>> Peace,
>> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
>> 
>> mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
>> 
>>> On Apr 20, 2017, at 8:21 AM, 'Peggy' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> You can also do a 3 year subscription which makes it a little cheaper. The 
>>> cheapest plan is mostly music, you can look at the web site or call them at 
>>> 866-6352343
>>> Peggy and Dixie Marie
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Apr 19, 2017, at 11:45 PM, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Packages are paid on a yearly basis I believe.  I know I get charged about 
>>> $330 yearly which includes all the channels, all the special channels like 
>>> Howard and such, and the traffic and electronic data services for the car.  
>>> You would need a subset of this.  All the package information is on the 
>>> company web site.
>>> 
 On Apr 19, 2017, at 5:32 PM, Stacey Robinson  
 wrote:
 
 Ben,
 You may wish to write off list about this.
 How do I find out about getting a free trial and how much are the 
 different packages?
 
 Peace,
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Re: Sitrix access

2017-04-20 Thread 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries

The only real JAWS security snag I ran into was a particular 
anti-keylogger package which tagged JAWS as something which steals 
keystrokes - which it kind of does. End result was that JAWS couldn't 
get any keystrokes and so Windows became inaccessible. Had to uninstall 
the anti-keylogger service to fix things and they still haven't figured 
out a solution.

CB

On 4/20/17 8:05 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
Like I said, Laziness.  Here in the states companies I’ve worked for 
have been very willing to install JFW if needed or if not familiar 
learn about it and then install.  I’ve heard of the security issue 
popping up but I figure it this way, having worked for the Air Force 
and done some projects for the battle communications group and nuclear 
munitions group if they were ok with installing JFW on work stations 
attached to these networks then pretty much anyone else shouldn’t have 
any problems either.  Only thing I had to insure was that I wasn’t 
using any TTS technology that sent the text off site to a render farm 
to have the words spoken, something similar to online google TTS.  As 
long as everything was in house it was fine.  Oh and I had to wear 
headphones at all times and don’t mind the marine looking over my 
shoulder ready to put a bullet in my head if I made any moves that 
seemed like I was going all Snoden on them.;). JFW doesn’t make the 
network boys in Langley VA uneasy it doesn’t me as a matter of course. 
 They were more uneasy about me having a personal laptop that unlocked 
with Apple Watch than they were JFW.

u
On Apr 20, 2017, at 5:04 AM, Simon Fogarty > wrote:

Scott,
It’s a case here of ignorance regarding the products they are supporting,
It’s a case of the techs don’t know what they are doing and don’t 
wish to try and figure it out
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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]*On 
Behalf Of*Scott Granados

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*To:*macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 

*Subject:*Re: Sitrix access
That’s such a bogus reason not to install JFW.  Especially when you 
can deploy it so it only runs for the specific users required.  All 
that is I think is an IT department to lazy to do their jobs.  People 
bitch about jaws or voice over and security in the mean time 
demanding that their favorite messenger or media player is installed 
that really does have security concerns.  (I’m sorry we can’t install 
JFW for you oh and get ready we’re pushing out a new Java virtual 
machine). Right!
Not a bad work around though.  The only problem is having to run 
windows, that would be a deal breaker for me.

On Apr 20, 2017, at 3:01 AM, David Chittenden
> wrote:
Thanks all.
It turns out, the company has two other blind employees. They
will not place JFW on the Citrix do to security concerns.
However, the fix is to provide the blind employee with a laptop
which is configured for local access. I then carry the laptop
with me for work. Now, back to Windows 7 after 6 years of Mac and
iOS.

Kind regards,
David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email:dchitten...@gmail.com 
Mobile: +61 488 988 936
Sent from my iPhone

On 20/04/2017, at 04:30, Jonathan Cohn > wrote:

Also, unless you are running JAWS on both the remote and
local machine, you can expect that speech output will be
choppy as the voice communications get merged with  all the
window activity. When JAWS or WindowEyes is run on both
system and the licensing is correctly recognized, then the
remote system will just send the text to be read or braille
to your local machine and not the complete sound f of the
synthesized speech.
On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 9:35 AM Scott Granados
>
wrote:

The only way I know of doing this is with JFW.

Virtual desktops are a tricky thing.

> On Apr 19, 2017, at 4:40 AM, David Chittenden
> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> I started a new job. The company requires Citrix to
access the information drives.
>
> To be specific, the computers are set to automatically
connect into a secure website. This site then displays
username and password fields for log in. The system then
uses Citrix Receiver to access the user's virtual desktop.
>
> I installed Citrix Receiver onto an iPhone and an iPad.
Once the system accesses through Citrix, the interface

Re: Accessible web conferencing: zoom.us

2017-04-20 Thread Karen Lewellen

I will add that zoom allows you to give participant's a call in number
instead, a fine option for those ho prefer attending without video at
all.
Granted as is often the case when the audio is video based, the quality is
sort of nose crinkle worthy, but at least the door for phone alone is
there.

Karen

On Thu, 20 Apr 2017, Kliphton Miller wrote:

I HAVE BEEN USING ZOOM FOR ABOUT A YEAR, IT IS MOSTLY ACCESSIBLE, JUST THAT
SOME OPTIONS THAT ARE available to the sited user, vo doesn???t read during a
conference, but it???s not a deal breaker.

On Apr 20, 2017, at 6:06 AM, Alex Hall wrote:

I haven't been following the Citrix thread, so I apologize if this was already
brought up over there.

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wordpress VoiceOver content management solutions

2017-04-20 Thread CHUCK REICHEL

Hi List,
What is being used to do content management that  is VoiceOver friendly.
I'm looking for a solution "APP" that I can do content management with.
I'm in discussions with a guy  who said he can build me a new Sound Picture 
Recording site and can put the VoiceOver "tags" in it for accessibility.

I don't use Face book enough to do content management  through it at this point.
Also is it true that  wordpress offerers a "html template"
Thanks for some direction on building & content management of a new site.
Ps whats the most cost effective "hosting"  building solutions out there?
Thanks
Chuck



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Re: Sirius xm app

2017-04-20 Thread 'Peggy' via MacVisionaries

Just looked at the XM site, you do not need a radio to subscribe.
Peggy and Dixie Marie

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 20, 2017, at 10:05 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:

You can just use the app.  The app has the access to the same content as they 
beam over the air.

> On Apr 20, 2017, at 9:24 AM, Stacey Robinson  wrote:
> 
> Thanks.
> Do you have to have a radio or can you just use the app?
> I have a free trial now.
> Peace,
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>> You can also do a 3 year subscription which makes it a little cheaper. The 
>> cheapest plan is mostly music, you can look at the web site or call them at 
>> 866-6352343
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>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> $330 yearly which includes all the channels, all the special channels like 
>> Howard and such, and the traffic and electronic data services for the car.  
>> You would need a subset of this.  All the package information is on the 
>> company web site.
>> 
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Re: Sirius xm app

You can just use the app.  The app has the access to the same content as they 
beam over the air.

> On Apr 20, 2017, at 9:24 AM, Stacey Robinson  wrote:
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> Thanks.
> Do you have to have a radio or can you just use the app?
> I have a free trial now.
> Peace,
> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
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>> On Apr 20, 2017, at 8:21 AM, 'Peggy' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> You can also do a 3 year subscription which makes it a little cheaper. The 
>> cheapest plan is mostly music, you can look at the web site or call them at 
>> 866-6352343
>> Peggy and Dixie Marie
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Apr 19, 2017, at 11:45 PM, Scott Granados  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Packages are paid on a yearly basis I believe.  I know I get charged about 
>> $330 yearly which includes all the channels, all the special channels like 
>> Howard and such, and the traffic and electronic data services for the car.  
>> You would need a subset of this.  All the package information is on the 
>> company web site.
>> 
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>>> wrote:
>>> 
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>>> You may wish to write off list about this.
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>>> packages?
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Re: Sirius XM app

2017-04-20 Thread Shawn Krasniuk

Hey Mike, for Sirius XM on the Mac, give Radium a try. It doesn't have on 
demand programming but it's accessible.

Shawn
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> On Apr 19, 2017, at 4:08 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
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> Is there an app for the mac as well? I use the I O S app and it works fairly 
> well, a few buttons have odd labels but definitely useable. I've found the 
> best way to listen on a mac is to use the chrome web browser with the chrome 
> vox screen reader, unless they have changed the site, it's very flash based, 
> I wish they would switch to HTML 5, but if there is an app now, I will try it.
> Original message:
>> Hi Stacy , my wife and I have been using the Sirius app for quite a while 
>> now on our mac , iPhone and iPads . It is very blind friendly . You can 
>> probably get a 30 day free trial to check it out .
> 
>> Ben C.
> 
> 
>>> On Apr 19, 2017, at 9:49 AM, Stacey Robinson  
>>> wrote:
> 
>>> Hello all,
>>> Is this app accessable on the iPhone SE?
>>> I’ve never had satalite radio but I’d like to try it.
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Re: How do I find my device ID on a VZ iPhone?

2017-04-20 Thread Donna Goodin

Thanks, Barry.
Donna
> On Apr 19, 2017, at 8:57 PM, Barry Hadder  wrote:
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> I think that you can only get the unique device identification number (UDID) 
> by connecting to iTunes.
> in the summary section, just press the serial number button until it says 
> UDID.
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> On Apr 19, 2017, at 19:37, Donna Goodin  wrote:
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> I'm having a problem with VZ, and need to give them my device ID.  I've 
> looked under general, About, but don't see anything that says device ID.  I 
> see the IMEI, the ICCID, and the MEID, but nothing that says device ID.  Can 
> anyone tell me where this should be?
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Re: How do I find my device ID on a VZ iPhone?

2017-04-20 Thread Donna Goodin

Thanks, Scott.  I wondered about the serial number.  Well, I'll have them both 
ready.
Thanks,
Donna
> On Apr 20, 2017, at 7:06 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
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> I think they mean either the phone name or the name you see when the phone is 
> in paring mode or attached to iTunes or the serial number under about.  If 
> not that then the IMEI like you mentioned would have been my guess as well.
> 
>> On Apr 20, 2017, at 4:58 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
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>> Hi Donna,
>> 
>> I would have thought the device ID according to the network provider would 
>> be the IMEI number?
>> 
>> May be you shuld ask them what this number is and possibly how long!
>> 
>> -Original Message-
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>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Barry Hadder
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>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: How do I find my device ID on a VZ iPhone?
>> 
>> I think that you can only get the unique device identification number (UDID) 
>> by connecting to iTunes.
>> in the summary section, just press the serial number button until it says 
>> UDID.
>> 
>> On Apr 19, 2017, at 19:37, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I'm having a problem with VZ, and need to give them my device ID.  I've 
>> looked under general, About, but don't see anything that says device ID.  I 
>> see the IMEI, the ICCID, and the MEID, but nothing that says device ID.  Can 
>> anyone tell me where this should be?
>> Thanks,
>> Donna
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Re: How do I find my device ID on a VZ iPhone?

2017-04-20 Thread Donna Goodin

Hi Simon,

In my experience, if they want the IMEI, they ask for that.  I'm going to 
follow Barry's suggestion this morning and take a look in iTunes.  If I don't 
find it there, then I'll assume you're right.  I'm speaking with someone this 
afternoon, so if she wants something else, she can tell me.
Cheers,
Donna 
> On Apr 20, 2017, at 3:58 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
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> Hi Donna,
> 
> I would have thought the device ID according to the network provider would be 
> the IMEI number?
> 
> May be you shuld ask them what this number is and possibly how long!
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Barry Hadder
> Sent: Thursday, 20 April 2017 1:58 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: How do I find my device ID on a VZ iPhone?
> 
> I think that you can only get the unique device identification number (UDID) 
> by connecting to iTunes.
> in the summary section, just press the serial number button until it says 
> UDID.
> 
> On Apr 19, 2017, at 19:37, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I'm having a problem with VZ, and need to give them my device ID.  I've 
> looked under general, About, but don't see anything that says device ID.  I 
> see the IMEI, the ICCID, and the MEID, but nothing that says device ID.  Can 
> anyone tell me where this should be?
> Thanks,
> Donna
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Re: Sirius xm app

2017-04-20 Thread Stacey Robinson

Thanks.
Do you have to have a radio or can you just use the app?
I have a free trial now.
Peace,  
Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.

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> You can also do a 3 year subscription which makes it a little cheaper. The 
> cheapest plan is mostly music, you can look at the web site or call them at 
> 866-6352343
> Peggy and Dixie Marie
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> On Apr 19, 2017, at 11:45 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
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> Packages are paid on a yearly basis I believe.  I know I get charged about 
> $330 yearly which includes all the channels, all the special channels like 
> Howard and such, and the traffic and electronic data services for the car.  
> You would need a subset of this.  All the package information is on the 
> company web site.
> 
>> On Apr 19, 2017, at 5:32 PM, Stacey Robinson  wrote:
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>> Ben,
>> You may wish to write off list about this.
>> How do I find out about getting a free trial and how much are the different 
>> packages?
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>> Peace,
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Re: Sirius xm app

2017-04-20 Thread 'Peggy' via MacVisionaries

You can also do a 3 year subscription which makes it a little cheaper. The 
cheapest plan is mostly music, you can look at the web site or call them at 
866-6352343
Peggy and Dixie Marie

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 19, 2017, at 11:45 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:

Packages are paid on a yearly basis I believe.  I know I get charged about $330 
yearly which includes all the channels, all the special channels like Howard 
and such, and the traffic and electronic data services for the car.  You would 
need a subset of this.  All the package information is on the company web site.

> On Apr 19, 2017, at 5:32 PM, Stacey Robinson  wrote:
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> Ben,
> You may wish to write off list about this.
> How do I find out about getting a free trial and how much are the different 
> packages?
> 
> Peace,
> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
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> mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
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Re: How do I find my device ID on a VZ iPhone?

 I think they mean either the phone name or the name you see when the phone is 
in paring mode or attached to iTunes or the serial number under about.  If not 
that then the IMEI like you mentioned would have been my guess as well.

> On Apr 20, 2017, at 4:58 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
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> Hi Donna,
> 
> I would have thought the device ID according to the network provider would be 
> the IMEI number?
> 
> May be you shuld ask them what this number is and possibly how long!
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Barry Hadder
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> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: How do I find my device ID on a VZ iPhone?
> 
> I think that you can only get the unique device identification number (UDID) 
> by connecting to iTunes.
> in the summary section, just press the serial number button until it says 
> UDID.
> 
> On Apr 19, 2017, at 19:37, Donna Goodin  wrote:
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> Hi all,
> 
> I'm having a problem with VZ, and need to give them my device ID.  I've 
> looked under general, About, but don't see anything that says device ID.  I 
> see the IMEI, the ICCID, and the MEID, but nothing that says device ID.  Can 
> anyone tell me where this should be?
> Thanks,
> Donna
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Re: Sitrix access

Like I said, Laziness.  Here in the states companies I’ve worked for have been 
very willing to install JFW if needed or if not familiar learn about it and 
then install.  I’ve heard of the security issue popping up but I figure it this 
way, having worked for the Air Force and done some projects for the battle 
communications group and nuclear munitions group if they were ok with 
installing JFW on work stations attached to these networks then pretty much 
anyone else shouldn’t have any problems either.  Only thing I had to insure was 
that I wasn’t using any TTS technology that sent the text off site to a render 
farm to have the words spoken, something similar to online google TTS.  As long 
as everything was in house it was fine.  Oh and I had to wear headphones at all 
times and don’t mind the marine looking over my shoulder ready to put a bullet 
in my head if I made any moves that seemed like I was going all Snoden on 
them.;). JFW doesn’t make the network boys in Langley VA uneasy it doesn’t me 
as a matter of course.  They were more uneasy about me having a personal laptop 
that unlocked with Apple Watch than they were JFW.


u
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> Scott,
> 
> It’s a case here of ignorance regarding the products they are supporting,
> 
> 
> It’s a case of the techs don’t know what they are doing and don’t wish to try 
> and figure it out
> 
> 
> 
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
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>  ] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Thursday, 20 April 2017 7:59 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: Sitrix access
> 
> That’s such a bogus reason not to install JFW.  Especially when you can 
> deploy it so it only runs for the specific users required.  All that is I 
> think is an IT department to lazy to do their jobs.  People bitch about jaws 
> or voice over and security in the mean time demanding that their favorite 
> messenger or media player is installed that really does have security 
> concerns.  (I’m sorry we can’t install JFW for you oh and get ready we’re 
> pushing out a new Java virtual machine). Right!
> 
> Not a bad work around though.  The only problem is having to run windows, 
> that would be a deal breaker for me.
> 
> 
> 
> On Apr 20, 2017, at 3:01 AM, David Chittenden  > wrote:
> 
> Thanks all.
> 
> It turns out, the company has two other blind employees. They will not place 
> JFW on the Citrix do to security concerns. However, the fix is to provide the 
> blind employee with a laptop which is configured for local access. I then 
> carry the laptop with me for work. Now, back to Windows 7 after 6 years of 
> Mac and iOS.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
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> On 20/04/2017, at 04:30, Jonathan Cohn  > wrote:
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> Also, unless you are running JAWS on both the remote and local machine, you 
> can expect that speech output will be choppy as the voice communications get 
> merged with  all the window activity. When JAWS or WindowEyes is run on both 
> system and the licensing is correctly recognized, then the remote system will 
> just send the text to be read or braille to your local machine and not the 
> complete sound f of the synthesized speech.
> 
> On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 9:35 AM Scott Granados  > wrote:
> The only way I know of doing this is with JFW.
> 
> Virtual desktops are a tricky thing.
> 
> > On Apr 19, 2017, at 4:40 AM, David Chittenden  > > wrote:
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I started a new job. The company requires Citrix to access the information 
> > drives.
> >
> > To be specific, the computers are set to automatically connect into a 
> > secure website. This site then displays username and password fields for 
> > log in. The system then uses Citrix Receiver to access the user's virtual 
> > desktop.
> >
> > I installed Citrix Receiver onto an iPhone and an iPad. Once the system 
> > accesses through Citrix, the interface becomes inaccessible. I then 
> > installed Citrix Receiver onto my 2011 MacBook Air. Again, Citrix Receiver 
> > worked, and again, the resulting screen is not accessible.
> >
> > Does anyone know of an app for iOS or Mac which will give VoiceOver access 
> > to the Citrix Receiver web remote interface desktop?
> >
> > Kind regards,
> >
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Re: Accessible web conferencing: zoom.us

Whoa Alex that’s good news.  That could really help folks on the job front, 
especially blind engineers in tech support. Very cool and thanks for the 
pointer.
.
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> Hi all,
> I saw on Twitter yesterday that a new web conferencing service was discovered 
> recently: www.zoom.us . The big news here is that they 
> have an accessibility website (https://zoom.us/accessibility 
> ), an email address (acc...@zoom.us 
> ), and a commitment to keeping their product 
> accessible. They claim compatibility with VoiceOver, Talkback, and NVDA, 
> covering all the major platforms.
> 
> I haven't tried the service at all, and am going off only what I read on 
> their website and in the article that pointed me to them in the first place. 
> However, things look good. If you're in need of this kine of service and you 
> try Zoom, I'd love to hear what you thought of the experience.
> 
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Re: Accessible web conferencing: zoom.us

2017-04-20 Thread Kliphton Miller

I HAVE BEEN USING ZOOM FOR ABOUT A YEAR, IT IS MOSTLY ACCESSIBLE, JUST THAT 
SOME OPTIONS THAT ARE available to the sited user, vo doesn’t read during a 
conference, but it’s not a deal breaker.
> On Apr 20, 2017, at 6:06 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
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> Hi all,
> I saw on Twitter yesterday that a new web conferencing service was discovered 
> recently: www.zoom.us . The big news here is that they 
> have an accessibility website (https://zoom.us/accessibility 
> ), an email address (acc...@zoom.us 
> ), and a commitment to keeping their product 
> accessible. They claim compatibility with VoiceOver, Talkback, and NVDA, 
> covering all the major platforms.
> 
> I haven't tried the service at all, and am going off only what I read on 
> their website and in the article that pointed me to them in the first place. 
> However, things look good. If you're in need of this kine of service and you 
> try Zoom, I'd love to hear what you thought of the experience.
> 
> I haven't been following the Citrix thread, so I apologize if this was 
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Re: Accessible web conferencing: zoom.us

Yes, I have been using Zoom for the past year or so. It is accessible.

Kind regards,

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> On 20/04/2017, at 20:06, Alex Hall  wrote:
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> Hi all,
> I saw on Twitter yesterday that a new web conferencing service was discovered 
> recently: www.zoom.us. The big news here is that they have an accessibility 
> website (https://zoom.us/accessibility), an email address (acc...@zoom.us), 
> and a commitment to keeping their product accessible. They claim 
> compatibility with VoiceOver, Talkback, and NVDA, covering all the major 
> platforms.
> 
> I haven't tried the service at all, and am going off only what I read on 
> their website and in the article that pointed me to them in the first place. 
> However, things look good. If you're in need of this kine of service and you 
> try Zoom, I'd love to hear what you thought of the experience.
> 
> I haven't been following the Citrix thread, so I apologize if this was 
> already brought up over there.
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Accessible web conferencing: zoom.us

2017-04-20 Thread Alex Hall

Hi all,
I saw on Twitter yesterday that a new web conferencing service was discovered 
recently: www.zoom.us. The big news here is that they have an accessibility 
website (https://zoom.us/accessibility), an email address (acc...@zoom.us), and 
a commitment to keeping their product accessible. They claim compatibility with 
VoiceOver, Talkback, and NVDA, covering all the major platforms.

I haven't tried the service at all, and am going off only what I read on their 
website and in the article that pointed me to them in the first place. However, 
things look good. If you're in need of this kine of service and you try Zoom, 
I'd love to hear what you thought of the experience.

I haven't been following the Citrix thread, so I apologize if this was already 
brought up over there.

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RE: Sitrix access

Scott,

It’s a case here of ignorance regarding the products they are supporting,


It’s a case of the techs don’t know what they are doing and don’t wish to try 
and figure it out



From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Thursday, 20 April 2017 7:59 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Sitrix access

That’s such a bogus reason not to install JFW.  Especially when you can deploy 
it so it only runs for the specific users required.  All that is I think is an 
IT department to lazy to do their jobs.  People bitch about jaws or voice over 
and security in the mean time demanding that their favorite messenger or media 
player is installed that really does have security concerns.  (I’m sorry we 
can’t install JFW for you oh and get ready we’re pushing out a new Java virtual 
machine). Right!

Not a bad work around though.  The only problem is having to run windows, that 
would be a deal breaker for me.



On Apr 20, 2017, at 3:01 AM, David Chittenden 
> wrote:

Thanks all.

It turns out, the company has two other blind employees. They will not place 
JFW on the Citrix do to security concerns. However, the fix is to provide the 
blind employee with a laptop which is configured for local access. I then carry 
the laptop with me for work. Now, back to Windows 7 after 6 years of Mac and 
iOS.

Kind regards,

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +61 488 988 936
Sent from my iPhone

On 20/04/2017, at 04:30, Jonathan Cohn 
> wrote:
Also, unless you are running JAWS on both the remote and local machine, you can 
expect that speech output will be choppy as the voice communications get merged 
with  all the window activity. When JAWS or WindowEyes is run on both system 
and the licensing is correctly recognized, then the remote system will just 
send the text to be read or braille to your local machine and not the complete 
sound f of the synthesized speech.

On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 9:35 AM Scott Granados 
> wrote:
The only way I know of doing this is with JFW.

Virtual desktops are a tricky thing.

> On Apr 19, 2017, at 4:40 AM, David Chittenden 
> > wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> I started a new job. The company requires Citrix to access the information 
> drives.
>
> To be specific, the computers are set to automatically connect into a secure 
> website. This site then displays username and password fields for log in. The 
> system then uses Citrix Receiver to access the user's virtual desktop.
>
> I installed Citrix Receiver onto an iPhone and an iPad. Once the system 
> accesses through Citrix, the interface becomes inaccessible. I then installed 
> Citrix Receiver onto my 2011 MacBook Air. Again, Citrix Receiver worked, and 
> again, the resulting screen is not accessible.
>
> Does anyone know of an app for iOS or Mac which will give VoiceOver access to 
> the Citrix Receiver web remote interface desktop?
>
> Kind regards,
>
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
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RE: Sitrix access

Hi David,

Your not working for the university of Otago by any chance are you?

Sounds like the sort of things they’d do.

Mind you they said they don’t know how to setup jaws within the citrix 
environment which was great as they told me I wasn’t allowed to either.

Good luck and I hope they make things work for you.

Sf\

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of David Chittenden
Sent: Thursday, 20 April 2017 7:01 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Sitrix access

Thanks all.

It turns out, the company has two other blind employees. They will not place 
JFW on the Citrix do to security concerns. However, the fix is to provide the 
blind employee with a laptop which is configured for local access. I then carry 
the laptop with me for work. Now, back to Windows 7 after 6 years of Mac and 
iOS.

Kind regards,

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +61 488 988 936
Sent from my iPhone

On 20/04/2017, at 04:30, Jonathan Cohn 
> wrote:
Also, unless you are running JAWS on both the remote and local machine, you can 
expect that speech output will be choppy as the voice communications get merged 
with  all the window activity. When JAWS or WindowEyes is run on both system 
and the licensing is correctly recognized, then the remote system will just 
send the text to be read or braille to your local machine and not the complete 
sound f of the synthesized speech.

On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 9:35 AM Scott Granados 
> wrote:
The only way I know of doing this is with JFW.

Virtual desktops are a tricky thing.

> On Apr 19, 2017, at 4:40 AM, David Chittenden 
> > wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> I started a new job. The company requires Citrix to access the information 
> drives.
>
> To be specific, the computers are set to automatically connect into a secure 
> website. This site then displays username and password fields for log in. The 
> system then uses Citrix Receiver to access the user's virtual desktop.
>
> I installed Citrix Receiver onto an iPhone and an iPad. Once the system 
> accesses through Citrix, the interface becomes inaccessible. I then installed 
> Citrix Receiver onto my 2011 MacBook Air. Again, Citrix Receiver worked, and 
> again, the resulting screen is not accessible.
>
> Does anyone know of an app for iOS or Mac which will give VoiceOver access to 
> the Citrix Receiver web remote interface desktop?
>
> Kind regards,
>
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
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RE: How do I find my device ID on a VZ iPhone?

Hi Donna,

 I would have thought the device ID according to the network provider would be 
the IMEI number?

 May be you shuld ask them what this number is and possibly how long!

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On Behalf Of Barry Hadder
Sent: Thursday, 20 April 2017 1:58 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: How do I find my device ID on a VZ iPhone?

I think that you can only get the unique device identification number (UDID) by 
connecting to iTunes.
in the summary section, just press the serial number button until it says UDID.

On Apr 19, 2017, at 19:37, Donna Goodin  wrote:

Hi all,

I'm having a problem with VZ, and need to give them my device ID.  I've looked 
under general, About, but don't see anything that says device ID.  I see the 
IMEI, the ICCID, and the MEID, but nothing that says device ID.  Can anyone 
tell me where this should be?
Thanks,
Donna

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RE: Sitrix access

Yes citrix does support use of jaws 

 This system that David is speaking of appears from the useage I've had of a 
very similar system doesn't play well with USB devices therefore isn't working 
well for my jaws authorisation 
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On Behalf Of Noel Romey
Sent: Thursday, 20 April 2017 12:22 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Sitrix access

Jaws does speak through Citrix receiver but only if (a) a repeater licemse of 
jaws which is free is installed on the Citrix server and your jaws license has 
the remote access authorization purchased. Once this is done it works quite 
well. On the Mac However I don't know of a solution to make a virtual desktop 
in Citrix accessible. I can provide more specifics if you need. 

Noel
ene

> On Apr 19, 2017, at 5:17 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi David,
> 
> I think you've gotten to the same point of stuck that I have have with work.
> 
> We use a similar sounding product to this you speak of and again VO wont 
> speak through the citrix Remote connection and from what I have been told by 
> the techs Jaws wont speak through the remote session either..
> And as I'm the only one in my work place that uses vo I'm kind of limited.
> 
> We did try getting gjaws up and running but it didn't work when it came to 
> the authorisation key from a USB.
> 
> From what I've found with our citrix xennapps system it's a failure for 
> accessibility for screen reader users.
> 
> 
> But if I do find anything I will let you know.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> 
> Simon F
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden
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> To: peel-the-ap...@googlegroups.com; 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> 
> Subject: Sitrix access
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> I started a new job. The company requires Citrix to access the information 
> drives.
> 
> To be specific, the computers are set to automatically connect into a secure 
> website. This site then displays username and password fields for log in. The 
> system then uses Citrix Receiver to access the user's virtual desktop.
> 
> I installed Citrix Receiver onto an iPhone and an iPad. Once the system 
> accesses through Citrix, the interface becomes inaccessible. I then installed 
> Citrix Receiver onto my 2011 MacBook Air. Again, Citrix Receiver worked, and 
> again, the resulting screen is not accessible.
> 
> Does anyone know of an app for iOS or Mac which will give VoiceOver access to 
> the Citrix Receiver web remote interface desktop?
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
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Re: Sitrix access

That’s such a bogus reason not to install JFW.  Especially when you can deploy 
it so it only runs for the specific users required.  All that is I think is an 
IT department to lazy to do their jobs.  People bitch about jaws or voice over 
and security in the mean time demanding that their favorite messenger or media 
player is installed that really does have security concerns.  (I’m sorry we 
can’t install JFW for you oh and get ready we’re pushing out a new Java virtual 
machine). Right!

Not a bad work around though.  The only problem is having to run windows, that 
would be a deal breaker for me.



> On Apr 20, 2017, at 3:01 AM, David Chittenden  wrote:
> 
> Thanks all.
> 
> It turns out, the company has two other blind employees. They will not place 
> JFW on the Citrix do to security concerns. However, the fix is to provide the 
> blind employee with a laptop which is configured for local access. I then 
> carry the laptop with me for work. Now, back to Windows 7 after 6 years of 
> Mac and iOS.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com 
> Mobile: +61 488 988 936
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 20/04/2017, at 04:30, Jonathan Cohn  > wrote:
> 
>> Also, unless you are running JAWS on both the remote and local machine, you 
>> can expect that speech output will be choppy as the voice communications get 
>> merged with  all the window activity. When JAWS or WindowEyes is run on both 
>> system and the licensing is correctly recognized, then the remote system 
>> will just send the text to be read or braille to your local machine and not 
>> the complete sound f of the synthesized speech.
>> 
>> On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 9:35 AM Scott Granados > > wrote:
>> The only way I know of doing this is with JFW.
>> 
>> Virtual desktops are a tricky thing.
>> 
>> > On Apr 19, 2017, at 4:40 AM, David Chittenden > > > wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi All,
>> >
>> > I started a new job. The company requires Citrix to access the information 
>> > drives.
>> >
>> > To be specific, the computers are set to automatically connect into a 
>> > secure website. This site then displays username and password fields for 
>> > log in. The system then uses Citrix Receiver to access the user's virtual 
>> > desktop.
>> >
>> > I installed Citrix Receiver onto an iPhone and an iPad. Once the system 
>> > accesses through Citrix, the interface becomes inaccessible. I then 
>> > installed Citrix Receiver onto my 2011 MacBook Air. Again, Citrix Receiver 
>> > worked, and again, the resulting screen is not accessible.
>> >
>> > Does anyone know of an app for iOS or Mac which will give VoiceOver access 
>> > to the Citrix Receiver web remote interface desktop?
>> >
>> > Kind regards,
>> >
>> > David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> > Email: dchitten...@gmail.com 
>> > Mobile: +61 488 988 936 
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Re: Sitrix access