RE: VO bug logging in with Filevolt enabled

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Donna,

File volt with encrypt your drive and when you get the log in prompt
You start vo with the command f5 then you should be by default on the users 
box, I do the vo key shift down arrow and this box opens with the user names, I 
arrow left / right to highlight the username I want
That is a vo key left / right
Then vo key spacebar on the username and get the password field enter my 
password and I’m in,

>From then my mac is as normal for use.
It’s only when it’s locked file volt secures things.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: Saturday, 10 June 2017 7:41 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: VO bug logging in with Filevolt enabled

Hi all,

I haven't used FileVault, but have been thinking about doing it for a while 
now.  So I have a question about John's post.  Do you choose a username, or is 
it assigned?  If assigned, what do you have to enter, the entire file path or 
just the name of that folder?
TIA,
Donna
On Jun 9, 2017, at 2:37 PM, Tim Kilburn 
> wrote:

hi,

Further to John's note, usually, VO is not active, nor available, at the 
initial login screen when File Vault is enabled.  You can press cmd-f5 to try 
to turn on VO, you should get a single tone, at this point, as John mentioned, 
just type your username and press return.  If it accepts your username, two 
tones will sound meaning that it's ready for your password. In my case, once I 
start entering my password, a tone is sounded for each key-press.  After you 
finish the password, press return and you should hear three tones if the 
password was accepted.  Your Mac will then start up normally.  You can then log 
off and on with the normal login screen most of the time, unless your machine 
is restarted or shutdown at which time you'll hear the good old tone once again.

HTH.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 9, 2017, at 13:22, John Panarese 
> wrote:

   FileVault should work just fine. The login window is different though. Be 
sure you press command-F5 to turn on VoiceOver. It will ask for your account 
name, which is whatever the name is for your home folder is called.
 Then, press enter and it will prompt you for your password. Type that and hit 
enter.


Take Care

John D. Panarese
Director
Mac for the Blind
Tel, (631) 724-4479
Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com

APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer

AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE

MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT


On Jun 9, 2017, at 3:15 PM, Nickus de Vos 
> wrote:

Hi all
I got a new MacBook Pro today, a 2015 retina model running the latest version 
of Mac OS Sierra.

I can’t remember how I set up my iMac back in the day, but I do know that I 
don’t have File volt encryption enabled on it. This time around I decided to 
switch on Filevolt on my new MacBook Pro, but I came across a Voiceover bug in 
doing so.

When I restarted the machine where it asks for your password to log in, 
voiceover gets stuck and no matter what you press or try, all it keeps saying 
over and over is “username”. So basically I found it impossible to log in to my 
Mac using voiceover, I had to get sighted assistance to get passed the log in 
screen, luckily someone was on hand.

I first thought I could simply enable automatic log in so that it doesn’t ask 
for my password when starting up the machine, but turns out with File Volt 
encryption enabled, you can’t enable automatic log in.

For now I disabled File Volt to work around this issue, but I’d like to enable 
it again if possible. Have anyone else came across this bug and are there any 
work arounds, something I missed?

Nickus

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RE: VO bug logging in with Filevolt enabled

[Simon Fogarty]

File volt works differently even with VO.

But it works fine once you get your head around it.
I have file volt enable on this mac book air so I know how I get  through it
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On Behalf Of Harry Bell
Sent: Saturday, 10 June 2017 7:32 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: VO bug logging in with Filevolt enabled

I have VO set in System Preferences to come on as soon as my macs start up. I 
have Filevault and in the first screen VO announces that I need to put in my 
name in the first field and I then hit TAB and VO then asks for my password. I 
then hit ENTER and I'm in!
Cheers
Harry

On 9 Jun 2017, at 20:22, John Panarese 
> wrote:
   FileVault should work just fine. The login window is different though. Be 
sure you press command-F5 to turn on VoiceOver. It will ask for your account 
name, which is whatever the name is for your home folder is called.
 Then, press enter and it will prompt you for your password. Type that and hit 
enter.


Take Care

John D. Panarese
Director
Mac for the Blind
Tel, (631) 724-4479
Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com

APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer

AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE

MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT


On Jun 9, 2017, at 3:15 PM, Nickus de Vos 
> wrote:

Hi all
I got a new MacBook Pro today, a 2015 retina model running the latest version 
of Mac OS Sierra.

I can’t remember how I set up my iMac back in the day, but I do know that I 
don’t have File volt encryption enabled on it. This time around I decided to 
switch on Filevolt on my new MacBook Pro, but I came across a Voiceover bug in 
doing so.

When I restarted the machine where it asks for your password to log in, 
voiceover gets stuck and no matter what you press or try, all it keeps saying 
over and over is “username”. So basically I found it impossible to log in to my 
Mac using voiceover, I had to get sighted assistance to get passed the log in 
screen, luckily someone was on hand.

I first thought I could simply enable automatic log in so that it doesn’t ask 
for my password when starting up the machine, but turns out with File Volt 
encryption enabled, you can’t enable automatic log in.

For now I disabled File Volt to work around this issue, but I’d like to enable 
it again if possible. Have anyone else came across this bug and are there any 
work arounds, something I missed?

Nickus

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RE: VO bug logging in with Filevolt enabled

[Simon Fogarty]

No, auto log in wont work with file volt,

 When you start up vo at the log in screen, do a VO shift down arrow to open 
the user list box,
 I always do a VO left / right arrow to ensure I have highlighted the correct 
user,
Then vo space bar on the the right user and then enter my password  which will 
then log you in,

 I need to check on the setting in users / groups to start vo at start up but I 
don't believe that works at the log in prompt when FV is running.

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Nickus de Vos
Sent: Saturday, 10 June 2017 7:15 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: VO bug logging in with Filevolt enabled

Hi all
I got a new MacBook Pro today, a 2015 retina model running the latest version 
of Mac OS Sierra.

I can’t remember how I set up my iMac back in the day, but I do know that I 
don’t have File volt encryption enabled on it. This time around I decided to 
switch on Filevolt on my new MacBook Pro, but I came across a Voiceover bug in 
doing so.

When I restarted the machine where it asks for your password to log in, 
voiceover gets stuck and no matter what you press or try, all it keeps saying 
over and over is “username”. So basically I found it impossible to log in to my 
Mac using voiceover, I had to get sighted assistance to get passed the log in 
screen, luckily someone was on hand.

I first thought I could simply enable automatic log in so that it doesn’t ask 
for my password when starting up the machine, but turns out with File Volt 
encryption enabled, you can’t enable automatic log in.

For now I disabled File Volt to work around this issue, but I’d like to enable 
it again if possible. Have anyone else came across this bug and are there any 
work arounds, something I missed?

Nickus

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RE: getting AirPods to switch to different devices?

[Simon Fogarty]

The first pairning to your iPHone 7 isn’t a case of tapping the phone with the 
pods,
I still have to tell it to pair and sometimes have had to press the button on 
the pod case.

But the first pairing also sets up the pods in all devices using the same 
iCloud account so I see them in my watch, pad and mac book air because it’s 
running sierra,

I’ve personally found that my pods need to be manually paired to my iPad when I 
go to use that,
There isnn’t an automatic switch over to the device the pod thinks your using.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Alex Hall
Sent: Friday, 9 June 2017 10:33 PM
To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: getting AirPods to switch to different devices?

I always thought it was supposed to be manual. Right now, I'm wearing an Apple 
Watch, have an iPhone in my pocket, and am typing on a MacBook with an old Mac 
mini behind it. Given that I'm in easy range of four authenticated devices, how 
would automatic pairing with AirPods work? They would have no way of knowing 
which device I wanted them to use. My impression has always been that the 
pairing is what syncs, so you never need to manually pair AirPods with any 
device connected to your iCloud account. Even the first pairing is just a tap, 
not a code and a special mode. Once you do that, all your other devices save 
the Pods as an option to use in the future, so you don't need to pair them with 
anything but the first device. Actively using them, though, has to be a manual 
process or the Pods wouldn't know what to do in many situations.

--
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On Jun 9, 2017, at 06:16, Simon Fogarty 
> wrote:

Hi Donna,

No they don’t seem to do that, even when switching bck to the phone you have to 
do the switch over manually,
 The only ting I’ve noticed of automatic is the setup on the phone and the pods 
showing up in Bluetooth of all devices.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: Friday, 9 June 2017 3:25 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: getting AirPods to switch to different devices?

Hey Paul,

Pressing Connect in the bluetooth menu did get them to switch from my phone to 
my Mac, but now they won't switch back to my phone unless I manually go in and 
switch them.. If that's the way they're supposed to work, that's fine, but I 
thought they could switch without the user having to manually go in and tell 
them to.
Cheers,
Donna
On Jun 8, 2017, at 10:15 AM, Paul Mimms 
> wrote:

Try going into Bluetooth on the particular device, and you should see the 
AirPods there and tap on it to pair.



Life is 10% what happens, and how you take it, and 90% what you do about it, 
and what you make of it.
Sent from my iPhone 7 Plus

On Jun 8, 2017, at 9:48 AM, Donna Goodin 
> wrote:
Hi all,

My understanding was that the AirPods are supposed to automatically pair with 
any device that is connected to iCloud, and automatically switch to the device 
that you are using.  I have not been able to get them to play with either my 
watch or my Mac.  How do I do this?
TIA,
Donna

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RE: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Simon Fogarty]

To me it's as you say simply a media device, an output for audio content,

Direct connectivity to your aple music account, which makes me wounder what 
happens if you use spotify rather than apple usic,
Will the home pod work with spotify and more to the point has it got VO for 
what ever setup it will require? 

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Friday, 9 June 2017 10:01 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

You know, Apple is not marketing this as a Google or Amazon competitor. I've 
seen a couple of articles that I thought made very good points, which is that 
there really marketing it towards the audio Lovers. Admittedly  quick reviews 
have been very impressed with the audio as compared to comparable Sonos 
speakers. The media made a mistake when they assumed it was going to be a "Siri 
speaker. It is an audio system with Siri which is different from echo Alexa, 
which doesn't sound that great or Google home, which ones wants to collect all 
your data and has a superior assistant but is not in the same league as the 
home pod for audio in terms of the speaker   Assistant at the expense of your 
privacy. Mark. The other stuff is nice, and might be useful. But this is going 
after people who might otherwise paisanos. I for one if this works will buy it 
if I'm still around. So this is too expensive 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 8, 2017, at 1:30 PM, gary-melconian  wrote:
> 
> Scott they ar ttrying to get dum siri to catch up to google assistant and 
> alexa in the home .  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 12:11 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
> 
> I’m not convinced about this home pod.  The fact they are banking on Siri as 
> part of it disturbs me unless it has a quantum leap forward.  I suppose these 
> are cheaper than Sonos but I just don’t know.  That’s more than 3 times the 
> cost of the Google Home.
> 
> 
>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 9:54 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Because right now, we're not that heavily invested in Sonos that we couldn't 
>> switch.  If the HomePods sound better, and have more AI as Apple suggests, 
>> why not switch?
>> Donna
>>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 4:11 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Donna,
>>> 
>>> Yeah I am wondering but why not just use sonos for everything, you know it 
>>> works and works well.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>>> Sent: Thursday, 8 June 2017 12:02 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>>> 
>>> I have to admit, I'm intrigued by the Apple speakers.  I figure we can move 
>>> our two Sonos Play One speakers out to the deck and use the Apple ones 
>>> inside.  Looking forward to hearing what they sound like.
>>> Donna
 On Jun 7, 2017, at 3:20 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
 
 I can't say I've ever had issues with sound quality on my sonos and 
 the home pods will have to be pretty loody hot sounding for me to 
 purchase one or even two as my sonos speakers ldo the exact job the 
 home pods do and all from my phone.-Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Terje 
 Strømberg
 Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 4:03 AM
 To: Mac Group 
 Cc: Terje Strømberg 
 Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
 
 iPad Pro is interesting and i probably get one. iMac Pro looks like high 
 end if it runs reasonable quiet and cool. The speaker may have better 
 sound than Sonos. Did not say anything about speaker phone function. 
 Should be able to route the phone audio to the speaker. What is the 
 borring name again?
 
 Take care
 
> 6. jun. 2017 kl. 17.47 skrev E.T. :
> 
> Scott,
> I see. A friend lost his 3rd to a scumbag and at that time the 3rd was no 
> longer available so he got a 4th. He is happy with it.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> "God for you is where you sweep away all the  mysteries of the 
> world, all the challenges to  our intelligence. You simply turn 
> your mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
>> On 6/6/2017 8:41 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> So the accessibility sucks on the Apple TV 4th gen.  I myself prefer the 
>> 3rd get from the perspective of 

RE: getting AirPods to switch to different devices?

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Donna,et al,

No I have them connected to my iPhone 7+ but although they show in my iPad mini 
4’s blutetooth devices they do not automatically pair when I want them working 
with my iPad.

However if I double tap the pods when in my iPads Bluetooth  they start pairing 
and disconnect from my iPhone

As for my watch, unless I turn my iPhone off they wont pair with my watch I 
have to manually pair with that also but as I said it only works when my phone 
is off or out of range of the watch.

Apple didn’t have an answer for that when I asked them.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: Friday, 9 June 2017 9:36 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: getting AirPods to switch to different devices?

What I've read online suggests that they automatically figure out which device 
you are using, and pair with that device.  Sounds like I may need to give a 
call to Apple support.  I'll keep you posted.
Cheers,
Donna
On Jun 8, 2017, at 4:30 PM, Paul Mimms 
> wrote:

I can believe that this is how they work. Otherwise, I can see walking around 
the house with an iPhone, and Apple Watch, going to my iPad, and have them 
switch to my Mac.! :-) Let's keep in touch as we work this out.


Life is 10% what happens, and how you take it, and 90% what you do about it, 
and what you make of it.
Sent from my iPhone 7 Plus

On Jun 8, 2017, at 10:24 AM, Donna Goodin 
> wrote:
Hey Paul,

Pressing Connect in the bluetooth menu did get them to switch from my phone to 
my Mac, but now they won't switch back to my phone unless I manually go in and 
switch them.. If that's the way they're supposed to work, that's fine, but I 
thought they could switch without the user having to manually go in and tell 
them to.
Cheers,
Donna
On Jun 8, 2017, at 10:15 AM, Paul Mimms 
> wrote:

Try going into Bluetooth on the particular device, and you should see the 
AirPods there and tap on it to pair.


Life is 10% what happens, and how you take it, and 90% what you do about it, 
and what you make of it.
Sent from my iPhone 7 Plus

On Jun 8, 2017, at 9:48 AM, Donna Goodin 
> wrote:
Hi all,

My understanding was that the AirPods are supposed to automatically pair with 
any device that is connected to iCloud, and automatically switch to the device 
that you are using.  I have not been able to get them to play with either my 
watch or my Mac.  How do I do this?
TIA,
Donna

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RE: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[Simon Fogarty]

Yeah I wondered this also.

I've never had to pay for a firmware update in any of my router / modem devices.

My fritzbox is working great after about 4 years and it has a coverage for the 
entire house  including my neighbours place also.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Friday, 9 June 2017 8:38 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

What do you mean?  Firmware upgrading is free.

> On Jun 8, 2017, at 4:36 PM, Joseph Hudson  wrote:
> 
> Yeah but they want you to pay an arm and a leg to update the firmware a.m. 
> Which is why we don't do that.
>   Joseph Hudson 
> 
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>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 3:27 PM, gary-melconian  wrote:
>> 
>> Scott, I have heard this  in the  tech shows   as well. they are promoting 
>> the fac that these routers use cheap Chinese parts an that’s  why they wear 
>> out over a 2 to 3 year time frame which I find hard to believe.if you get a 
>> good quality router it should last a good 5 to 10 years no matter how hard 
>> it works. I have both ubiquity  enterprise routers in my office in my house 
>> an they have  been going for a good 5 years now and no issues  what so ever. 
>> I always update the firmware in them which is  running open source router 
>> firmware inside of it.   also thining about getting he erro mesh routers for 
>> the hosue as well. what do you think about mesh rotuers now a days do they 
>> do a good job as far as getting ehose dead spots in a 3000  square foot 
>> house which is broken up into 4 units.  
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Re: getting AirPods to switch to different devices?

[Alex Hall]

I see what you mean, though I've never experienced that and didn't know 
bluetooth could do it. I'm glad AirPods don't act like that; imagine every 
notification sound on your Watch hijacking the signal, interrupting speech on 
your Mac or iOS device. Or getting snatches of audio because your Mac and Watch 
ping an alert at the same time. Or checking the time on your Watch interrupting 
your audio book from the iPad. I can see this being useful for some, but if it 
ever happens, I hope it's a toggle and not forced on us. Well, I say "us", but 
I still don't have AirPods so I can't talk. :)

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> On Jun 9, 2017, at 13:15, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Hi Alex, so in many bluetooth implementations all devices pair and the active 
> one is the one that is heard.  So for your example, if I touched my phone and 
> VO started to speak Bluetooth would activate and I would hear the VO audio.  
> If I switch to my watch and start touching that you’d hear the watch assuming 
> no other devices were producing audio.  My experience is they can do one at a 
> time so switching happens to the active unit.  In the even there are more 
> than one active channels the first to open the session has the audio and the 
> others are not heard.  Does that make sense?
> 
> The manual method is almost better in some ways so you don’t have audio lost 
> do to multiple sessions.
> 
>> On Jun 9, 2017, at 6:32 AM, Alex Hall > > wrote:
>> 
>> I always thought it was supposed to be manual. Right now, I'm wearing an 
>> Apple Watch, have an iPhone in my pocket, and am typing on a MacBook with an 
>> old Mac mini behind it. Given that I'm in easy range of four authenticated 
>> devices, how would automatic pairing with AirPods work? They would have no 
>> way of knowing which device I wanted them to use. My impression has always 
>> been that the pairing is what syncs, so you never need to manually pair 
>> AirPods with any device connected to your iCloud account. Even the first 
>> pairing is just a tap, not a code and a special mode. Once you do that, all 
>> your other devices save the Pods as an option to use in the future, so you 
>> don't need to pair them with anything but the first device. Actively using 
>> them, though, has to be a manual process or the Pods wouldn't know what to 
>> do in many situations.
>> 
>> --
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 9, 2017, at 06:16, Simon Fogarty >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Donna,
>>>  
>>> No they don’t seem to do that, even when switching bck to the phone you 
>>> have to do the switch over manually,
>>>  The only ting I’ve noticed of automatic is the setup on the phone and the 
>>> pods showing up in Bluetooth of all devices.
>>>  
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>  
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> ] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>>> Sent: Friday, 9 June 2017 3:25 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> Subject: Re: getting AirPods to switch to different devices?
>>>  
>>> Hey Paul,
>>>  
>>> Pressing Connect in the bluetooth menu did get them to switch from my phone 
>>> to my Mac, but now they won't switch back to my phone unless I manually go 
>>> in and switch them.. If that's the way they're supposed to work, that's 
>>> fine, but I thought they could switch without the user having to manually 
>>> go in and tell them to.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 10:15 AM, Paul Mimms >> > wrote:
>>>  
>>> Try going into Bluetooth on the particular device, and you should see the 
>>> AirPods there and tap on it to pair.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> Life is 10% what happens, and how you take it, and 90% what you do about 
>>> it, and what you make of it.
>>> Sent from my iPhone 7 Plus
>>> 
>>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 9:48 AM, Donna Goodin >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> My understanding was that the AirPods are supposed to automatically pair 
>>> with any device that is connected to iCloud, and automatically switch to 
>>> the device that you are using.  I have not been able to get them to play 
>>> with either my watch or my Mac.  How do I do this?
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
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Re: Accessible Password Manager

[E.T.]

   In Firefox, have you installed the 1Password helper? On the Mac, 
have you installed the Safari extension?


   In Firefox, after I press control-\ and enter my master password, 
the login information is entered and its done.


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On 6/9/2017 7:15 PM, Nimer Jaber wrote:

Well then... I don't understand. On Windows in Firefox, I am able to use
last pass to auto-fill passwords... it will either do it automatically,
or it will do it if I press the applications key, up arrow to last pass,
right arrow to expand the menu, and select the item in the list that I
want to be filled in. With 1password, this does not seem to work... I do
have a 1password option in the menu, however it is not a submenu, and
pressing enter on that results in it telling me that 1password needs
something or other wo work, and the only way to input the passwords is
to go through the 1password interface, select the item, and copy that in
that way... this is not exactly convenient. On the Mac, I haven't had
any success with it auto-filling information on the web... does this
work on Windows or the Mac? Can someone possibly provide some directions
or steps or something if there is something that needs to be done to get
it working?

Thanks.

On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 1:48 PM christopher hallsworth
> wrote:

Another vote for 1Password.
> On 9 Jun 2017, at 08:34, Nimer Jaber > wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I am looking for an accessible password manager. In the past, I
have been a last pass user, however I cannot figure out how to fill
passwords in with the Lastpass safari extension... I can get into
the context menu and find last pass as an option, however attempting
to activate it achieves no results. So, do you have a preferred
password manager? I would use auto-fill in Safari, however I do not
get the option to save some websites, and often times passwords are
not filled... this especially happens with the new login page that
gmail is using, but I have been able to reproduce that on other
sites as well. This happens with the latest release of Mac OS,.
>
> Thanks for any suggestions as to a workable password manager.
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Re: VIrtual box and other operating systems than windows.

[Scott Granados]

Yes, it’s a free alternative to VMWare. One of the advantages is that it has a 
command line feature so you can script and type commands instead of point and 
click and use the GUI.

> On Jun 9, 2017, at 9:24 PM, Sharon Hooley  wrote:
> 
> So is this an alternative to VMWare?
> 
> thanks,
> 
>> On Jun 9, 2017, at 3:24 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> Since Simon Fogarty here on this list mentioned that VirtualBox was 
>> accessible i thought i would give it a try today.
>> It seems to work but when selecting an operating system i can only see 
>> windows and no other systems to select from.
>> But i would like to try out som linux distributions in the virtual box.
>> Can this be done without sight?
>> Thanks in advance.
>> /A
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Re: Connect your iCloud account to Alexa if you can

[Larry Thacker Jr.]

I did get it to work.  As you mentioned, there’s no way to select the text, so 
I copied group by group from memory into a note and then used that to paste 
into the app..  Even then it did not work because somehow an extra character 
got included.  By this time I had been over it so many times that it was in my 
head, and the final time I put it in it worked.  You might try going character 
by character and giving VO time to give you the phonetic for each letter.  I 
know for me sometimes I misunderstand a character.

> On Jun 9, 2017, at 7:31 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Your understanding jives with mine. I did all the steps and it didn't work. 
> Oh well.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 9, 2017, at 5:12 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
>> 
>> According to what I am reading from various sources, it is specifically for 
>> Amazon's Alexa to access the iCloud calendar for adding and accessing 
>> appointments. Two factor identification must be enabled on iCloud, and the 
>> changes are made in settings in the Alexa app. Note: I have not tried it, I 
>> have only read various articles about it.
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
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>> Mobile: +61 488 988 936
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 10/06/2017, at 09:51, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> It is now supposed to be possible to connect your iCloud account with 
>>> Alexa. To do so, you have to go into your Apple ID security settings and 
>>> create an app specific password. I did that. I carefully copied it out 
>>> using my PC to type it, since I could not get the Apple text selection 
>>> feature to work on the newly created password. Password is supposed to be 
>>> case sensitive. I was careful about that. So I typed it in and of course it 
>>> didn't work. This is the second time, the other being Apple Music on 
>>> android, where this has not worked for me. If anyone else tries this and 
>>> actually get it to work, I will be most curious.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Accessible Password Manager

[Nimer Jaber]

Well then... I don't understand. On Windows in Firefox, I am able to use
last pass to auto-fill passwords... it will either do it automatically, or
it will do it if I press the applications key, up arrow to last pass, right
arrow to expand the menu, and select the item in the list that I want to be
filled in. With 1password, this does not seem to work... I do have a
1password option in the menu, however it is not a submenu, and pressing
enter on that results in it telling me that 1password needs something or
other wo work, and the only way to input the passwords is to go through the
1password interface, select the item, and copy that in that way... this is
not exactly convenient. On the Mac, I haven't had any success with it
auto-filling information on the web... does this work on Windows or the
Mac? Can someone possibly provide some directions or steps or something if
there is something that needs to be done to get it working?

Thanks.

On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 1:48 PM christopher hallsworth <
challswor...@icloud.com> wrote:

> Another vote for 1Password.
> > On 9 Jun 2017, at 08:34, Nimer Jaber  wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > I am looking for an accessible password manager. In the past, I have
> been a last pass user, however I cannot figure out how to fill passwords in
> with the Lastpass safari extension... I can get into the context menu and
> find last pass as an option, however attempting to activate it achieves no
> results. So, do you have a preferred password manager? I would use
> auto-fill in Safari, however I do not get the option to save some websites,
> and often times passwords are not filled... this especially happens with
> the new login page that gmail is using, but I have been able to reproduce
> that on other sites as well. This happens with the latest release of Mac
> OS,.
> >
> > Thanks for any suggestions as to a workable password manager.
> > --
> > Cordially,
> >
> > Nimer Jaber
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Re: Text selection in inbox.google.com

[Nimer Jaber]

Strange... none of these methods seem o work with inbox.google.com.

Thanks... will keep experimenting.


On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 5:47 AM Anne Robertson  wrote:

> Hello Nimer,
>
> Text selection is one of those questions that comes up regularly as there
> is not one way that works everywhere with VoiceOver.
> The simplest way, and the one that works in most text editing situations,
> is the Shift key with arrow keys.
> Shift-Right Arrow selects by character.
> Shift-Option-Right Arrow selects by word.
> Shift-Cmd-Right Arrow selects to the end of the line.
> Shift-Down Arrow selects a line.
> Shift-Option-Down Arrow selects to the end of the paragraph.
> Shift-Cmd-Down Arrow selects to the end of the document.
> Obviously, left arrow and up arrow perform the opposite functions.
>
> The next method is to use Quick Nav and the shift key. Just set the rotor
> to Characters, words, lines, sentences or paragraphs and hold down the
> Shift key as you press the Down Arrow key.
>
> The third method is VO-Return to begin and end the selection. This usually
> works in HTML.
>
> Then, if all you want to do is copy text, you can make VoiceOver speak the
> text you want, and then press VO-Shift-c to copy the last spoken phrase to
> the clipboard.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Anne
>
>
>
> On 9 Jun 2017, at 09:31, Nimer Jaber  wrote:
>
> Hello,
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Re: Migrating from VMWare Fusion to Bootcamp

[Phil Halton]

I think the poster was asking, is it possible to convert a virtual machine into 
a Boot Camp partition. I didn't hear that question answered anywhere in the 
subsequent posts. As far as I know you can convert a Boot Camp to a VM but I 
don't know if it works the other way around. 

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> On Jun 9, 2017, at 5:03 PM, Harry Bell  wrote:
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> On my Mac mini, as macOS has the arrow under it, I just hit ENTER and it 
> boots into macOS
> Regards
> Harry
> 
>> On 9 Jun 2017, at 21:57, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> What key combination do you press to get into Mac OS having pressed the 
>> option key at start up?
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Gena
>>> On 9 Jun 2017, at 21:45, Harry Bell  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have installed Windows 10 in bootcamp on my Mac Mini so I hold down the 
>>> OPTION Key as it boots up, then I get a screen where the left icon is MacOS 
>>> with an arrow under it and I have to arrow right once to select Windows. 
>>> There is no voiceover available at this point but now I know what to do I 
>>> no longer need help. If I don't hold down Option, it boots into Windows 
>>> which is puzzling but not important. 
>>> Harry
>>> 
 On 9 Jun 2017, at 21:27, Sharon Hooley  wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 I might be able to use Bootcamp without vMWare, but as far as I know, 
 there’s no screen reader input to choose between Mac and Windows.  In my 
 past experience, I could just wait and then arrow left to get to Windows, 
 but it was hardest to get back to Mac, as I had to hold down certain keys 
 for a certain length of time before it came up, so it was hit and miss.  I 
 got sighted help then.
 
 Hth,
 
> On Jun 9, 2017, at 1:17 PM, Paul Hopewell  
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> Hello,
> I am running the latest El Capitan on my late 2008 iMac. I have a Windows 
> 7 virtual machine running under VMWare Fusion.
> 
> I only use the Windows 7 infrequently to keep up my Windows skills and to 
> do occasional testing of web sites under Windows. Under VMWare Fusion 
> Windows 7 runs painfully slowly. Is it possible to migrate instead to 
> Windows 7 running under Bootcamp so that I can either boot the iMac as 
> Mac OS or as Windows. Hopefully Windows will work much faster than using 
> VMWare. I am not concerned about sharing data between Windows and Mac OS. 
> 
> A complication is that I no longer have the install CDs for Windows or 
> some of the Windows applications. Can I just move my existing virtual 
> machine into a Bootcamp partition?
> 
> Is such a migration possible? If so can it be done without sighted help? 
> I have the WindowEyes screen reader running in my Windows virtual machine.
> 
> Many thanks for any tips.
> 
> 
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Re: VIrtual box and other operating systems than windows.

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So is this an alternative to VMWare?

thanks,

> On Jun 9, 2017, at 3:24 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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> Hi!
> Since Simon Fogarty here on this list mentioned that VirtualBox was 
> accessible i thought i would give it a try today.
> It seems to work but when selecting an operating system i can only see 
> windows and no other systems to select from.
> But i would like to try out som linux distributions in the virtual box.
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Re: Connect your iCloud account to Alexa if you can

[Mary Otten]

Your understanding jives with mine. I did all the steps and it didn't work. Oh 
well.
Mary


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> On Jun 9, 2017, at 5:12 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
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> According to what I am reading from various sources, it is specifically for 
> Amazon's Alexa to access the iCloud calendar for adding and accessing 
> appointments. Two factor identification must be enabled on iCloud, and the 
> changes are made in settings in the Alexa app. Note: I have not tried it, I 
> have only read various articles about it.
> 
> Kind regards,
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>> On 10/06/2017, at 09:51, Mary Otten  wrote:
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>> It is now supposed to be possible to connect your iCloud account with Alexa. 
>> To do so, you have to go into your Apple ID security settings and create an 
>> app specific password. I did that. I carefully copied it out using my PC to 
>> type it, since I could not get the Apple text selection feature to work on 
>> the newly created password. Password is supposed to be case sensitive. I was 
>> careful about that. So I typed it in and of course it didn't work. This is 
>> the second time, the other being Apple Music on android, where this has not 
>> worked for me. If anyone else tries this and actually get it to work, I will 
>> be most curious.
>> Mary
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Re: Connect your iCloud account to Alexa if you can

[David Chittenden]

According to what I am reading from various sources, it is specifically for 
Amazon's Alexa to access the iCloud calendar for adding and accessing 
appointments. Two factor identification must be enabled on iCloud, and the 
changes are made in settings in the Alexa app. Note: I have not tried it, I 
have only read various articles about it.

Kind regards,

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
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Mobile: +61 488 988 936
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> On 10/06/2017, at 09:51, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> It is now supposed to be possible to connect your iCloud account with Alexa. 
> To do so, you have to go into your Apple ID security settings and create an 
> app specific password. I did that. I carefully copied it out using my PC to 
> type it, since I could not get the Apple text selection feature to work on 
> the newly created password. Password is supposed to be case sensitive. I was 
> careful about that. So I typed it in and of course it didn't work. This is 
> the second time, the other being Apple Music on android, where this has not 
> worked for me. If anyone else tries this and actually get it to work, I will 
> be most curious.
> Mary
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Connect your iCloud account to Alexa if you can

[Mary Otten]

It is now supposed to be possible to connect your iCloud account with Alexa. To 
do so, you have to go into your Apple ID security settings and create an app 
specific password. I did that. I carefully copied it out using my PC to type 
it, since I could not get the Apple text selection feature to work on the newly 
created password. Password is supposed to be case sensitive. I was careful 
about that. So I typed it in and of course it didn't work. This is the second 
time, the other being Apple Music on android, where this has not worked for me. 
If anyone else tries this and actually get it to work, I will be most curious.
Mary


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Terminal and Drafts in Apple Mail

[Angus MacKinnon]

Is the Drafts Folder be used to Recover emails from the Drafts Folder in Apple 
Mail? If so, how can the  Terminal be used to recover all emails from June 8, 
2017 to June 4, 2017? Thank you. I am using OS 10.11.6.

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RE: iOS 11 will stop apps like Uber from constantly tracking your location - CNET

[gary-melconian]

Mary, good luck, youknow by now all code has bugs no matter how clean and great 
ther is always bugs introduced there is no way around that one.  

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location - CNET

Wonderful. Hopefully they won't introduce new nasty bugs, because this feature 
would really be welcome.
Mary


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> On Jun 9, 2017, at 1:30 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
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> iOS 11 will stop apps like Uber from constantly tracking your location 
> - CNET When iOS 11 is available later this year, users will have the 
> option to customize how each app uses his or her location - regardless 
> of the options a developer provides.
> Prior to iOS 11, users could only use one of the location access 
> options provided by developers. That meant, for an app like Uber, you 
> were limited to two options. If a developer didn't want to include the 
> option for use only while you are using the app, you were stuck with Never or 
> Always.
> iOS 11 now offers both privacy options for any app requesting your location.
> Huge win over apps like Uber "needing" it all the time.
> pic.twitter.com/mZke8InSVD
> - Lance Somoza (@SyrinxStarman) June 6, 2017 As the above screenshot 
> shows, iOS 11 users are finally given full control over when an app 
> can access location data. Naturally, most users will only want that to 
> be when he or she is, you know, actually using the app.
> To control each individual app, users will need to go to Settings > 
> Privacy
>> Location Services to adjust individual app settings or as shown in 
>> the
> screenshot, iOS 11 will prompt users.
> As is always the case with Apple betas, the company sometimes removes 
> or changes features before final release. We will update this post as 
> the beta process progresses.
> Apple confirmed to CNET that this is indeed a feature of iOS 11. 
> https://www.cnet.com/how-to/how-to-stop-apps-from-constantly-tracking-
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[Laura Bratton]

Hi All,

Does anyone have experience using indicia Internet postage software?
Is it accessible?

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VIrtual box and other operating systems than windows.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Since Simon Fogarty here on this list mentioned that VirtualBox was accessible 
i thought i would give it a try today.
It seems to work but when selecting an operating system i can only see windows 
and no other systems to select from.
But i would like to try out som linux distributions in the virtual box.
Can this be done without sight?
Thanks in advance.
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[jean parker]

Hello All:

A quick pages question, if I want to delete certain comments but leave others 
intact how can I do this?
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Re: Migrating from VMWare Fusion to Bootcamp

[Harry Bell]

On my Mac mini, as macOS has the arrow under it, I just hit ENTER and it boots 
into macOS
Regards
Harry

> On 9 Jun 2017, at 21:57, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> What key combination do you press to get into Mac OS having pressed the 
> option key at start up?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Gena
>> On 9 Jun 2017, at 21:45, Harry Bell  wrote:
>> 
>> I have installed Windows 10 in bootcamp on my Mac Mini so I hold down the 
>> OPTION Key as it boots up, then I get a screen where the left icon is MacOS 
>> with an arrow under it and I have to arrow right once to select Windows. 
>> There is no voiceover available at this point but now I know what to do I no 
>> longer need help. If I don't hold down Option, it boots into Windows which 
>> is puzzling but not important. 
>> Harry
>> 
>>> On 9 Jun 2017, at 21:27, Sharon Hooley  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I might be able to use Bootcamp without vMWare, but as far as I know, 
>>> there’s no screen reader input to choose between Mac and Windows.  In my 
>>> past experience, I could just wait and then arrow left to get to Windows, 
>>> but it was hardest to get back to Mac, as I had to hold down certain keys 
>>> for a certain length of time before it came up, so it was hit and miss.  I 
>>> got sighted help then.
>>> 
>>> Hth,
>>> 
 On Jun 9, 2017, at 1:17 PM, Paul Hopewell  wrote:
 
 Hello,
 I am running the latest El Capitan on my late 2008 iMac. I have a Windows 
 7 virtual machine running under VMWare Fusion.
 
 I only use the Windows 7 infrequently to keep up my Windows skills and to 
 do occasional testing of web sites under Windows. Under VMWare Fusion 
 Windows 7 runs painfully slowly. Is it possible to migrate instead to 
 Windows 7 running under Bootcamp so that I can either boot the iMac as Mac 
 OS or as Windows. Hopefully Windows will work much faster than using 
 VMWare. I am not concerned about sharing data between Windows and Mac OS. 
 
 A complication is that I no longer have the install CDs for Windows or 
 some of the Windows applications. Can I just move my existing virtual 
 machine into a Bootcamp partition?
 
 Is such a migration possible? If so can it be done without sighted help? I 
 have the WindowEyes screen reader running in my Windows virtual machine.
 
 Many thanks for any tips.
 
 
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Re: Migrating from VMWare Fusion to Bootcamp

[Georgina Joyce]

Hello,

What key combination do you press to get into Mac OS having pressed the option 
key at start up?

Regards,

Gena
> On 9 Jun 2017, at 21:45, Harry Bell  wrote:
> 
> I have installed Windows 10 in bootcamp on my Mac Mini so I hold down the 
> OPTION Key as it boots up, then I get a screen where the left icon is MacOS 
> with an arrow under it and I have to arrow right once to select Windows. 
> There is no voiceover available at this point but now I know what to do I no 
> longer need help. If I don't hold down Option, it boots into Windows which is 
> puzzling but not important. 
> Harry
> 
>> On 9 Jun 2017, at 21:27, Sharon Hooley  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I might be able to use Bootcamp without vMWare, but as far as I know, 
>> there’s no screen reader input to choose between Mac and Windows.  In my 
>> past experience, I could just wait and then arrow left to get to Windows, 
>> but it was hardest to get back to Mac, as I had to hold down certain keys 
>> for a certain length of time before it came up, so it was hit and miss.  I 
>> got sighted help then.
>> 
>> Hth,
>> 
>>> On Jun 9, 2017, at 1:17 PM, Paul Hopewell  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> I am running the latest El Capitan on my late 2008 iMac. I have a Windows 7 
>>> virtual machine running under VMWare Fusion.
>>> 
>>> I only use the Windows 7 infrequently to keep up my Windows skills and to 
>>> do occasional testing of web sites under Windows. Under VMWare Fusion 
>>> Windows 7 runs painfully slowly. Is it possible to migrate instead to 
>>> Windows 7 running under Bootcamp so that I can either boot the iMac as Mac 
>>> OS or as Windows. Hopefully Windows will work much faster than using 
>>> VMWare. I am not concerned about sharing data between Windows and Mac OS. 
>>> 
>>> A complication is that I no longer have the install CDs for Windows or some 
>>> of the Windows applications. Can I just move my existing virtual machine 
>>> into a Bootcamp partition?
>>> 
>>> Is such a migration possible? If so can it be done without sighted help? I 
>>> have the WindowEyes screen reader running in my Windows virtual machine.
>>> 
>>> Many thanks for any tips.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Paul Hopewell 
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Re: Migrating from VMWare Fusion to Bootcamp

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

The Option key is a temporary path to various startup options, whereas going 
into System Prefs, Startup Disk and selecting the Mac makes it the default 
option.  To start up in Windows, you just go back to Startup Disk and choose 
the BootCamp partition with Windows.  You'll likely need to hold down the 
option key for the first time after restarting from Windows, but you can set 
the Mac to be the default soon after.

Later...
Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 9, 2017, at 14:45, Harry Bell  wrote:

I have installed Windows 10 in bootcamp on my Mac Mini so I hold down the 
OPTION Key as it boots up, then I get a screen where the left icon is MacOS 
with an arrow under it and I have to arrow right once to select Windows. There 
is no voiceover available at this point but now I know what to do I no longer 
need help. If I don't hold down Option, it boots into Windows which is puzzling 
but not important. 
Harry

> On 9 Jun 2017, at 21:27, Sharon Hooley  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I might be able to use Bootcamp without vMWare, but as far as I know, there’s 
> no screen reader input to choose between Mac and Windows.  In my past 
> experience, I could just wait and then arrow left to get to Windows, but it 
> was hardest to get back to Mac, as I had to hold down certain keys for a 
> certain length of time before it came up, so it was hit and miss.  I got 
> sighted help then.
> 
> Hth,
> 
>> On Jun 9, 2017, at 1:17 PM, Paul Hopewell  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> I am running the latest El Capitan on my late 2008 iMac. I have a Windows 7 
>> virtual machine running under VMWare Fusion.
>> 
>> I only use the Windows 7 infrequently to keep up my Windows skills and to do 
>> occasional testing of web sites under Windows. Under VMWare Fusion Windows 7 
>> runs painfully slowly. Is it possible to migrate instead to Windows 7 
>> running under Bootcamp so that I can either boot the iMac as Mac OS or as 
>> Windows. Hopefully Windows will work much faster than using VMWare. I am not 
>> concerned about sharing data between Windows and Mac OS. 
>> 
>> A complication is that I no longer have the install CDs for Windows or some 
>> of the Windows applications. Can I just move my existing virtual machine 
>> into a Bootcamp partition?
>> 
>> Is such a migration possible? If so can it be done without sighted help? I 
>> have the WindowEyes screen reader running in my Windows virtual machine.
>> 
>> Many thanks for any tips.
>> 
>> 
>> Paul Hopewell 
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E.T:

Thanks so much. This sounds like what I should do to get rid of these 
unnecessary backups that are consuming space.

Thanks again,
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Re: Migrating from VMWare Fusion to Bootcamp

[Harry Bell]

I have installed Windows 10 in bootcamp on my Mac Mini so I hold down the 
OPTION Key as it boots up, then I get a screen where the left icon is MacOS 
with an arrow under it and I have to arrow right once to select Windows. There 
is no voiceover available at this point but now I know what to do I no longer 
need help. If I don't hold down Option, it boots into Windows which is puzzling 
but not important. 
Harry

> On 9 Jun 2017, at 21:27, Sharon Hooley  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I might be able to use Bootcamp without vMWare, but as far as I know, there’s 
> no screen reader input to choose between Mac and Windows.  In my past 
> experience, I could just wait and then arrow left to get to Windows, but it 
> was hardest to get back to Mac, as I had to hold down certain keys for a 
> certain length of time before it came up, so it was hit and miss.  I got 
> sighted help then.
> 
> Hth,
> 
>> On Jun 9, 2017, at 1:17 PM, Paul Hopewell  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> I am running the latest El Capitan on my late 2008 iMac. I have a Windows 7 
>> virtual machine running under VMWare Fusion.
>> 
>> I only use the Windows 7 infrequently to keep up my Windows skills and to do 
>> occasional testing of web sites under Windows. Under VMWare Fusion Windows 7 
>> runs painfully slowly. Is it possible to migrate instead to Windows 7 
>> running under Bootcamp so that I can either boot the iMac as Mac OS or as 
>> Windows. Hopefully Windows will work much faster than using VMWare. I am not 
>> concerned about sharing data between Windows and Mac OS. 
>> 
>> A complication is that I no longer have the install CDs for Windows or some 
>> of the Windows applications. Can I just move my existing virtual machine 
>> into a Bootcamp partition?
>> 
>> Is such a migration possible? If so can it be done without sighted help? I 
>> have the WindowEyes screen reader running in my Windows virtual machine.
>> 
>> Many thanks for any tips.
>> 
>> 
>> Paul Hopewell 
>> 
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Re: iOS 11 will stop apps like Uber from constantly tracking your location - CNET

[Mary Otten]

Wonderful. Hopefully they won't introduce new nasty bugs, because this feature 
would really be welcome.
Mary


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> iOS 11 will stop apps like Uber from constantly tracking your location -
> CNET
> When iOS 11 is available later this year, users will have the option to
> customize how each app uses his or her location - regardless of the options
> a developer provides.
> Prior to iOS 11, users could only use one of the location access options
> provided by developers. That meant, for an app like Uber, you were limited
> to two options. If a developer didn't want to include the option for use
> only while you are using the app, you were stuck with Never or Always. 
> iOS 11 now offers both privacy options for any app requesting your location.
> Huge win over apps like Uber "needing" it all the time.
> pic.twitter.com/mZke8InSVD
> - Lance Somoza (@SyrinxStarman) June 6, 2017
> As the above screenshot shows, iOS 11 users are finally given full control
> over when an app can access location data. Naturally, most users will only
> want that to be when he or she is, you know, actually using the app.
> To control each individual app, users will need to go to Settings > Privacy
>> Location Services to adjust individual app settings or as shown in the
> screenshot, iOS 11 will prompt users.
> As is always the case with Apple betas, the company sometimes removes or
> changes features before final release. We will update this post as the beta
> process progresses.
> Apple confirmed to CNET that this is indeed a feature of iOS 11. 
> https://www.cnet.com/how-to/how-to-stop-apps-from-constantly-tracking-your-l
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With iOS 11 you'll never have to share your Wi-Fi password with friends again - CNET

[M. Taylor]

With iOS 11 you'll never have to share your Wi-Fi password with friends
again - CNET
Not only are some Wi-Fi network passwords obscenely difficult tor remember,
but if you're the type to use the same password in multiple places, you most
certainly feel a tinge of anxiety when a friend asks to connect to your
network. With iOS 11, however, it appears sharing your Wi-Fi login details
will remain a secret. 
When a user attempts to connect to an unknown Wi-Fi network, he or she is
instructed to hold the iPhone or iPad next to another iOS device or Mac that
is connected to the network.
As for what the process looks like for the owner of the Wi-Fi network,
9to5Mac has a series of screenshots that show it in detail.
Essentially, a dialog similar to the AirPod pairing prompt will show up on a
nearby device, asking the network owner if he or she would like to send the
password.
If approved, the password is sent to the connecting device and autopopulated
without either user having to type a single character.
Pretty neat, right?
Of course, iOS 11 is still in early beta stages, meaning it's entirely
possible that Apple could change or remove a feature completely by the time
the OS releases this fall. 
https://www.cnet.com/how-to/how-to-easily-share-your-wifi-password-with-ios-
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iOS 11 will stop apps like Uber from constantly tracking your location - CNET

[M. Taylor]

iOS 11 will stop apps like Uber from constantly tracking your location -
CNET
When iOS 11 is available later this year, users will have the option to
customize how each app uses his or her location - regardless of the options
a developer provides.
Prior to iOS 11, users could only use one of the location access options
provided by developers. That meant, for an app like Uber, you were limited
to two options. If a developer didn't want to include the option for use
only while you are using the app, you were stuck with Never or Always. 
iOS 11 now offers both privacy options for any app requesting your location.
Huge win over apps like Uber "needing" it all the time.
pic.twitter.com/mZke8InSVD
- Lance Somoza (@SyrinxStarman) June 6, 2017
As the above screenshot shows, iOS 11 users are finally given full control
over when an app can access location data. Naturally, most users will only
want that to be when he or she is, you know, actually using the app.
To control each individual app, users will need to go to Settings > Privacy
> Location Services to adjust individual app settings or as shown in the
screenshot, iOS 11 will prompt users.
As is always the case with Apple betas, the company sometimes removes or
changes features before final release. We will update this post as the beta
process progresses.
Apple confirmed to CNET that this is indeed a feature of iOS 11. 
https://www.cnet.com/how-to/how-to-stop-apps-from-constantly-tracking-your-l
ocation-in-ios-11/#ftag=CAD5457c2c



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Re: Migrating from VMWare Fusion to Bootcamp

[Sharon Hooley]

Hi,

I might be able to use Bootcamp without vMWare, but as far as I know, there’s 
no screen reader input to choose between Mac and Windows.  In my past 
experience, I could just wait and then arrow left to get to Windows, but it was 
hardest to get back to Mac, as I had to hold down certain keys for a certain 
length of time before it came up, so it was hit and miss.  I got sighted help 
then.

Hth,

> On Jun 9, 2017, at 1:17 PM, Paul Hopewell  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> I am running the latest El Capitan on my late 2008 iMac. I have a Windows 7 
> virtual machine running under VMWare Fusion.
> 
> I only use the Windows 7 infrequently to keep up my Windows skills and to do 
> occasional testing of web sites under Windows. Under VMWare Fusion Windows 7 
> runs painfully slowly. Is it possible to migrate instead to Windows 7 running 
> under Bootcamp so that I can either boot the iMac as Mac OS or as Windows. 
> Hopefully Windows will work much faster than using VMWare. I am not concerned 
> about sharing data between Windows and Mac OS. 
> 
> A complication is that I no longer have the install CDs for Windows or some 
> of the Windows applications. Can I just move my existing virtual machine into 
> a Bootcamp partition?
> 
> Is such a migration possible? If so can it be done without sighted help? I 
> have the WindowEyes screen reader running in my Windows virtual machine.
> 
> Many thanks for any tips.
> 
> 
> Paul Hopewell 
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iOS 11 will let you record your iPhone or iPad's screen - CNET

[M. Taylor]

iOS 11 will let you record your iPhone or iPad's screen - CNET
The developer preview is out, and users are beginning to talk about features
Apple didn't announce during the keynote. One such feature is built-in
screen recording.
It appears - as of right now - the feature is triggered through a button in
Control Center. There's a bit of work you'll need to do to set it up, but
once it's there, you can record your iOS device's display to show off your
gaming skills, or capture a random bug that keeps occurring.
Below you can check out the video Twitter user @Alexpettitt made detailing
how to enable and use the feature:
I had way too much fun recording this... but here's how to enable screen
recorder in iOS 11 and turn on / off mic too: pic.twitter.com/CAU0td9tG5
- Alex Pettitt (@Alexpettitt) June 7, 2017
Presumably, you can then edit and share the screen recording just as can any
other video stored on your iOS device. This is surely going to come in handy
for many users. 
Since we are seeing the feature in an early beta, Apple can change how the
feature looks and works. We will be sure to update this post with any
changes up until iOS 11 is released to the public later this fall.
Apple confirmed to CNET this is indeed a feature of iOS 11. 
https://www.cnet.com/how-to/how-to-use-ios-11-built-in-screen-recording-feat
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Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Mary Otten]

Well, I'm not going to rush out and be the first to buy these things. But if 
they do the job, after I read some reviews and hopefully get to listen to them 
somewhere, I would really strongly consider it, as it will help me get away 
from my aged Wi-Fi system which I need for my old stereo Systems. I'm sure 
they're not going to sound as good as my big floorstanding speakers. But 
downsizing could be in the future so maybe now might be the time to start. Or I 
should say next year. Everybody has different needs and priorities. Isn't 
choice wonderful?
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 9, 2017, at 10:25 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Well, first, I sincerely hope you’re still around.  I’m pulling for you.
> 
> I get this approach from Apple and will give it a shot.  I’m not going to 
> completely discount something I haven’t tried.  Just call me skeptical but 
> willing to try.  Sonos sounds very good, the Google home sounds very good for 
> it’s size and regardless I don’t feel spied on.  I use google services a lot 
> and have done contract work for the company in years passed and feel 
> comfortable trading some data for the use of their services.  Are they 
> perfect, no but I’m not prepared to go as far as you Mary on that one.  TO 
> each their own.  I’m very down for good audio though so hopefully Apple will 
> win me over.
> 
>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 6:00 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> You know, Apple is not marketing this as a Google or Amazon competitor. I've 
>> seen a couple of articles that I thought made very good points, which is 
>> that there really marketing it towards the audio Lovers. Admittedly  quick 
>> reviews have been very impressed with the audio as compared to comparable 
>> Sonos speakers. The media made a mistake when they assumed it was going to 
>> be a "Siri speaker. It is an audio system with Siri which is different from 
>> echo Alexa, which doesn't sound that great or Google home, which ones wants 
>> to collect all your data and has a superior assistant but is not in the same 
>> league as the home pod for audio in terms of the speaker   Assistant at the 
>> expense of your privacy. Mark. The other stuff is nice, and might be useful. 
>> But this is going after people who might otherwise paisanos. I for one if 
>> this works will buy it if I'm still around. So this is too expensive 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 1:30 PM, gary-melconian  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Scott they ar ttrying to get dum siri to catch up to google assistant and 
>>> alexa in the home .  
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>>> Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 12:11 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>>> 
>>> I’m not convinced about this home pod.  The fact they are banking on Siri 
>>> as part of it disturbs me unless it has a quantum leap forward.  I suppose 
>>> these are cheaper than Sonos but I just don’t know.  That’s more than 3 
>>> times the cost of the Google Home.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jun 8, 2017, at 9:54 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 Because right now, we're not that heavily invested in Sonos that we 
 couldn't switch.  If the HomePods sound better, and have more AI as Apple 
 suggests, why not switch?
 Donna
> On Jun 8, 2017, at 4:11 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna,
> 
> Yeah I am wondering but why not just use sonos for everything, you know 
> it works and works well.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Thursday, 8 June 2017 12:02 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
> 
> I have to admit, I'm intrigued by the Apple speakers.  I figure we can 
> move our two Sonos Play One speakers out to the deck and use the Apple 
> ones inside.  Looking forward to hearing what they sound like.
> Donna
>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 3:20 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> I can't say I've ever had issues with sound quality on my sonos and 
>> the home pods will have to be pretty loody hot sounding for me to 
>> purchase one or even two as my sonos speakers ldo the exact job the 
>> home pods do and all from my phone.-Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Terje 
>> Strømberg
>> Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 4:03 AM
>> To: Mac Group 
>> Cc: Terje Strømberg 
>> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>> 

RE: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[gary-melconian]

Plus 1 to that post of your scott.  

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Friday, June 9, 2017 10:25 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

Well, first, I sincerely hope you’re still around.  I’m pulling for you.

I get this approach from Apple and will give it a shot.  I’m not going to 
completely discount something I haven’t tried.  Just call me skeptical but 
willing to try.  Sonos sounds very good, the Google home sounds very good for 
it’s size and regardless I don’t feel spied on.  I use google services a lot 
and have done contract work for the company in years passed and feel 
comfortable trading some data for the use of their services.  Are they perfect, 
no but I’m not prepared to go as far as you Mary on that one.  TO each their 
own.  I’m very down for good audio though so hopefully Apple will win me over.

> On Jun 8, 2017, at 6:00 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> You know, Apple is not marketing this as a Google or Amazon competitor. I've 
> seen a couple of articles that I thought made very good points, which is that 
> there really marketing it towards the audio Lovers. Admittedly  quick reviews 
> have been very impressed with the audio as compared to comparable Sonos 
> speakers. The media made a mistake when they assumed it was going to be a 
> "Siri speaker. It is an audio system with Siri which is different from echo 
> Alexa, which doesn't sound that great or Google home, which ones wants to 
> collect all your data and has a superior assistant but is not in the same 
> league as the home pod for audio in terms of the speaker   Assistant at the 
> expense of your privacy. Mark. The other stuff is nice, and might be useful. 
> But this is going after people who might otherwise paisanos. I for one if 
> this works will buy it if I'm still around. So this is too expensive 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 1:30 PM, gary-melconian  wrote:
>> 
>> Scott they ar ttrying to get dum siri to catch up to google assistant and 
>> alexa in the home .  
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>> Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 12:11 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>> 
>> I’m not convinced about this home pod.  The fact they are banking on Siri as 
>> part of it disturbs me unless it has a quantum leap forward.  I suppose 
>> these are cheaper than Sonos but I just don’t know.  That’s more than 3 
>> times the cost of the Google Home.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 9:54 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Because right now, we're not that heavily invested in Sonos that we 
>>> couldn't switch.  If the HomePods sound better, and have more AI as Apple 
>>> suggests, why not switch?
>>> Donna
 On Jun 8, 2017, at 4:11 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
 
 Hi Donna,
 
 Yeah I am wondering but why not just use sonos for everything, you know it 
 works and works well.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
 Sent: Thursday, 8 June 2017 12:02 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
 
 I have to admit, I'm intrigued by the Apple speakers.  I figure we can 
 move our two Sonos Play One speakers out to the deck and use the Apple 
 ones inside.  Looking forward to hearing what they sound like.
 Donna
> On Jun 7, 2017, at 3:20 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> I can't say I've ever had issues with sound quality on my sonos 
> and the home pods will have to be pretty loody hot sounding for me 
> to purchase one or even two as my sonos speakers ldo the exact job 
> the home pods do and all from my phone.-Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Terje 
> Strømberg
> Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 4:03 AM
> To: Mac Group 
> Cc: Terje Strømberg 
> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
> 
> iPad Pro is interesting and i probably get one. iMac Pro looks like high 
> end if it runs reasonable quiet and cool. The speaker may have better 
> sound than Sonos. Did not say anything about speaker phone function. 
> Should be able to route the phone audio to the speaker. What is the 
> borring name again?
> 
> Take care
> 
>> 6. jun. 2017 kl. 17.47 skrev E.T. :
>> 
>> Scott,
>> 

Re: VO bug logging in with Filevolt enabled

[Donna Goodin]

Thanks.  I don't know why, but I assumed it would be more complicated.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Jun 9, 2017, at 2:52 PM, John Panarese  wrote:
> 
>   FileVault uses your administrative account. In other words, the account you 
> normally use. It's simple to turn on and use. You just type your account 
> name, which, again, is the name of your home folder, and then use your usual 
> password. The system encrypts after a reboot, but you can use it while it 
> does this. Once you have FileVault turned on, you never even know it's 
> active, other than the different login window.
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
> John D. Panarese
> Director
> Mac for the Blind
> Tel, (631) 724-4479
> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com 
> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com 
> 
> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer
> 
> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
> 
> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 9, 2017, at 3:41 PM, Donna Goodin > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I haven't used FileVault, but have been thinking about doing it for a while 
>> now.  So I have a question about John's post.  Do you choose a username, or 
>> is it assigned?  If assigned, what do you have to enter, the entire file 
>> path or just the name of that folder?
>> TIA,
>> Donna
>>> On Jun 9, 2017, at 2:37 PM, Tim Kilburn >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> hi,
>>> 
>>> Further to John's note, usually, VO is not active, nor available, at the 
>>> initial login screen when File Vault is enabled.  You can press cmd-f5 to 
>>> try to turn on VO, you should get a single tone, at this point, as John 
>>> mentioned, just type your username and press return.  If it accepts your 
>>> username, two tones will sound meaning that it's ready for your password. 
>>> In my case, once I start entering my password, a tone is sounded for each 
>>> key-press.  After you finish the password, press return and you should hear 
>>> three tones if the password was accepted.  Your Mac will then start up 
>>> normally.  You can then log off and on with the normal login screen most of 
>>> the time, unless your machine is restarted or shutdown at which time you'll 
>>> hear the good old tone once again.
>>> 
>>> HTH.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Jun 9, 2017, at 13:22, John Panarese >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>>FileVault should work just fine. The login window is different though. 
>>> Be sure you press command-F5 to turn on VoiceOver. It will ask for your 
>>> account name, which is whatever the name is for your home folder is called.
>>>  Then, press enter and it will prompt you for your password. Type that and 
>>> hit enter.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Take Care
>>> 
>>> John D. Panarese
>>> Director
>>> Mac for the Blind
>>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com 
>>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com 
>>> 
>>> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer
>>> 
>>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
>>> 
>>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jun 9, 2017, at 3:15 PM, Nickus de Vos > wrote:
 
 Hi all
 I got a new MacBook Pro today, a 2015 retina model running the latest 
 version of Mac OS Sierra.
 
 I can’t remember how I set up my iMac back in the day, but I do know that 
 I don’t have File volt encryption enabled on it. This time around I 
 decided to switch on Filevolt on my new MacBook Pro, but I came across a 
 Voiceover bug in doing so.
 
 When I restarted the machine where it asks for your password to log in, 
 voiceover gets stuck and no matter what you press or try, all it keeps 
 saying over and over is “username”. So basically I found it impossible to 
 log in to my Mac using voiceover, I had to get sighted assistance to get 
 passed the log in screen, luckily someone was on hand.
 
 I first thought I could simply enable automatic log in so that it doesn’t 
 ask for my password when starting up the machine, but turns out with File 
 Volt encryption enabled, you can’t enable automatic log in.
 
 For now I disabled File Volt to work around this issue, but I’d like to 
 enable it again if possible. Have anyone else came across this bug and are 
 there any work arounds, something I missed?
 
 Nickus
 
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Re: VO bug logging in with Filevolt enabled

[Donna Goodin]

Thanks, Tim.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Jun 9, 2017, at 2:51 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> The name of the folder is your username.  So, if you open Macintosh HD, then 
> open the Users folder, you'll see a few folders in there.  One is yours.  If 
> you entered your name "Donna Goodin" when you set up your machine, then 
> "donnagoodin" will be your Short Username.  That is, your entered name all in 
> lower case with no spaces.  Enter that followed by return, then your password 
> followed by return and your good to go.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 9, 2017, at 13:41, Donna Goodin  > wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I haven't used FileVault, but have been thinking about doing it for a while 
> now.  So I have a question about John's post.  Do you choose a username, or 
> is it assigned?  If assigned, what do you have to enter, the entire file path 
> or just the name of that folder?
> TIA,
> Donna
>> On Jun 9, 2017, at 2:37 PM, Tim Kilburn > > wrote:
>> 
>> hi,
>> 
>> Further to John's note, usually, VO is not active, nor available, at the 
>> initial login screen when File Vault is enabled.  You can press cmd-f5 to 
>> try to turn on VO, you should get a single tone, at this point, as John 
>> mentioned, just type your username and press return.  If it accepts your 
>> username, two tones will sound meaning that it's ready for your password. In 
>> my case, once I start entering my password, a tone is sounded for each 
>> key-press.  After you finish the password, press return and you should hear 
>> three tones if the password was accepted.  Your Mac will then start up 
>> normally.  You can then log off and on with the normal login screen most of 
>> the time, unless your machine is restarted or shutdown at which time you'll 
>> hear the good old tone once again.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jun 9, 2017, at 13:22, John Panarese > > wrote:
>> 
>>FileVault should work just fine. The login window is different though. Be 
>> sure you press command-F5 to turn on VoiceOver. It will ask for your account 
>> name, which is whatever the name is for your home folder is called.
>>  Then, press enter and it will prompt you for your password. Type that and 
>> hit enter.
>> 
>> 
>> Take Care
>> 
>> John D. Panarese
>> Director
>> Mac for the Blind
>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com 
>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com 
>> 
>> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer
>> 
>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
>> 
>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 9, 2017, at 3:15 PM, Nickus de Vos >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all
>>> I got a new MacBook Pro today, a 2015 retina model running the latest 
>>> version of Mac OS Sierra.
>>> 
>>> I can’t remember how I set up my iMac back in the day, but I do know that I 
>>> don’t have File volt encryption enabled on it. This time around I decided 
>>> to switch on Filevolt on my new MacBook Pro, but I came across a Voiceover 
>>> bug in doing so.
>>> 
>>> When I restarted the machine where it asks for your password to log in, 
>>> voiceover gets stuck and no matter what you press or try, all it keeps 
>>> saying over and over is “username”. So basically I found it impossible to 
>>> log in to my Mac using voiceover, I had to get sighted assistance to get 
>>> passed the log in screen, luckily someone was on hand.
>>> 
>>> I first thought I could simply enable automatic log in so that it doesn’t 
>>> ask for my password when starting up the machine, but turns out with File 
>>> Volt encryption enabled, you can’t enable automatic log in.
>>> 
>>> For now I disabled File Volt to work around this issue, but I’d like to 
>>> enable it again if possible. Have anyone else came across this bug and are 
>>> there any work arounds, something I missed?
>>> 
>>> Nickus
>>> 
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Re: VO bug logging in with Filevolt enabled

[Nickus de Vos]

I did switch on voice-over, I even tried and to switch on and off a couple of 
times. I'll try again maybe I missed something.
Thanks

Sent from my iPhone

> On 09 Jun 2017, at 21:41, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I haven't used FileVault, but have been thinking about doing it for a while 
> now.  So I have a question about John's post.  Do you choose a username, or 
> is it assigned?  If assigned, what do you have to enter, the entire file path 
> or just the name of that folder?
> TIA,
> Donna
>> On Jun 9, 2017, at 2:37 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>> hi,
>> 
>> Further to John's note, usually, VO is not active, nor available, at the 
>> initial login screen when File Vault is enabled.  You can press cmd-f5 to 
>> try to turn on VO, you should get a single tone, at this point, as John 
>> mentioned, just type your username and press return.  If it accepts your 
>> username, two tones will sound meaning that it's ready for your password. In 
>> my case, once I start entering my password, a tone is sounded for each 
>> key-press.  After you finish the password, press return and you should hear 
>> three tones if the password was accepted.  Your Mac will then start up 
>> normally.  You can then log off and on with the normal login screen most of 
>> the time, unless your machine is restarted or shutdown at which time you'll 
>> hear the good old tone once again.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jun 9, 2017, at 13:22, John Panarese  wrote:
>> 
>>FileVault should work just fine. The login window is different though. Be 
>> sure you press command-F5 to turn on VoiceOver. It will ask for your account 
>> name, which is whatever the name is for your home folder is called.
>>  Then, press enter and it will prompt you for your password. Type that and 
>> hit enter.
>> 
>> 
>> Take Care
>> 
>> John D. Panarese
>> Director
>> Mac for the Blind
>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
>> 
>> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer
>> 
>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
>> 
>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 9, 2017, at 3:15 PM, Nickus de Vos  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all
>>> I got a new MacBook Pro today, a 2015 retina model running the latest 
>>> version of Mac OS Sierra.
>>> 
>>> I can’t remember how I set up my iMac back in the day, but I do know that I 
>>> don’t have File volt encryption enabled on it. This time around I decided 
>>> to switch on Filevolt on my new MacBook Pro, but I came across a Voiceover 
>>> bug in doing so.
>>> 
>>> When I restarted the machine where it asks for your password to log in, 
>>> voiceover gets stuck and no matter what you press or try, all it keeps 
>>> saying over and over is “username”. So basically I found it impossible to 
>>> log in to my Mac using voiceover, I had to get sighted assistance to get 
>>> passed the log in screen, luckily someone was on hand.
>>> 
>>> I first thought I could simply enable automatic log in so that it doesn’t 
>>> ask for my password when starting up the machine, but turns out with File 
>>> Volt encryption enabled, you can’t enable automatic log in.
>>> 
>>> For now I disabled File Volt to work around this issue, but I’d like to 
>>> enable it again if possible. Have anyone else came across this bug and are 
>>> there any work arounds, something I missed?
>>> 
>>> Nickus
>>> 
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Re: VO bug logging in with Filevolt enabled

[John Panarese]

  FileVault uses your administrative account. In other words, the account you 
normally use. It's simple to turn on and use. You just type your account name, 
which, again, is the name of your home folder, and then use your usual 
password. The system encrypts after a reboot, but you can use it while it does 
this. Once you have FileVault turned on, you never even know it's active, other 
than the different login window.


Take Care

John D. Panarese
Director
Mac for the Blind
Tel, (631) 724-4479
Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com

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> On Jun 9, 2017, at 3:41 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I haven't used FileVault, but have been thinking about doing it for a while 
> now.  So I have a question about John's post.  Do you choose a username, or 
> is it assigned?  If assigned, what do you have to enter, the entire file path 
> or just the name of that folder?
> TIA,
> Donna
>> On Jun 9, 2017, at 2:37 PM, Tim Kilburn > > wrote:
>> 
>> hi,
>> 
>> Further to John's note, usually, VO is not active, nor available, at the 
>> initial login screen when File Vault is enabled.  You can press cmd-f5 to 
>> try to turn on VO, you should get a single tone, at this point, as John 
>> mentioned, just type your username and press return.  If it accepts your 
>> username, two tones will sound meaning that it's ready for your password. In 
>> my case, once I start entering my password, a tone is sounded for each 
>> key-press.  After you finish the password, press return and you should hear 
>> three tones if the password was accepted.  Your Mac will then start up 
>> normally.  You can then log off and on with the normal login screen most of 
>> the time, unless your machine is restarted or shutdown at which time you'll 
>> hear the good old tone once again.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jun 9, 2017, at 13:22, John Panarese > > wrote:
>> 
>>FileVault should work just fine. The login window is different though. Be 
>> sure you press command-F5 to turn on VoiceOver. It will ask for your account 
>> name, which is whatever the name is for your home folder is called.
>>  Then, press enter and it will prompt you for your password. Type that and 
>> hit enter.
>> 
>> 
>> Take Care
>> 
>> John D. Panarese
>> Director
>> Mac for the Blind
>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com 
>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com 
>> 
>> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer
>> 
>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
>> 
>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 9, 2017, at 3:15 PM, Nickus de Vos >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all
>>> I got a new MacBook Pro today, a 2015 retina model running the latest 
>>> version of Mac OS Sierra.
>>> 
>>> I can’t remember how I set up my iMac back in the day, but I do know that I 
>>> don’t have File volt encryption enabled on it. This time around I decided 
>>> to switch on Filevolt on my new MacBook Pro, but I came across a Voiceover 
>>> bug in doing so.
>>> 
>>> When I restarted the machine where it asks for your password to log in, 
>>> voiceover gets stuck and no matter what you press or try, all it keeps 
>>> saying over and over is “username”. So basically I found it impossible to 
>>> log in to my Mac using voiceover, I had to get sighted assistance to get 
>>> passed the log in screen, luckily someone was on hand.
>>> 
>>> I first thought I could simply enable automatic log in so that it doesn’t 
>>> ask for my password when starting up the machine, but turns out with File 
>>> Volt encryption enabled, you can’t enable automatic log in.
>>> 
>>> For now I disabled File Volt to work around this issue, but I’d like to 
>>> enable it again if possible. Have anyone else came across this bug and are 
>>> there any work arounds, something I missed?
>>> 
>>> Nickus
>>> 
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Re: VO bug logging in with Filevolt enabled

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

The name of the folder is your username.  So, if you open Macintosh HD, then 
open the Users folder, you'll see a few folders in there.  One is yours.  If 
you entered your name "Donna Goodin" when you set up your machine, then 
"donnagoodin" will be your Short Username.  That is, your entered name all in 
lower case with no spaces.  Enter that followed by return, then your password 
followed by return and your good to go.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 9, 2017, at 13:41, Donna Goodin  wrote:

Hi all,

I haven't used FileVault, but have been thinking about doing it for a while 
now.  So I have a question about John's post.  Do you choose a username, or is 
it assigned?  If assigned, what do you have to enter, the entire file path or 
just the name of that folder?
TIA,
Donna
> On Jun 9, 2017, at 2:37 PM, Tim Kilburn  > wrote:
> 
> hi,
> 
> Further to John's note, usually, VO is not active, nor available, at the 
> initial login screen when File Vault is enabled.  You can press cmd-f5 to try 
> to turn on VO, you should get a single tone, at this point, as John 
> mentioned, just type your username and press return.  If it accepts your 
> username, two tones will sound meaning that it's ready for your password. In 
> my case, once I start entering my password, a tone is sounded for each 
> key-press.  After you finish the password, press return and you should hear 
> three tones if the password was accepted.  Your Mac will then start up 
> normally.  You can then log off and on with the normal login screen most of 
> the time, unless your machine is restarted or shutdown at which time you'll 
> hear the good old tone once again.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 9, 2017, at 13:22, John Panarese  > wrote:
> 
>FileVault should work just fine. The login window is different though. Be 
> sure you press command-F5 to turn on VoiceOver. It will ask for your account 
> name, which is whatever the name is for your home folder is called.
>  Then, press enter and it will prompt you for your password. Type that and 
> hit enter.
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
> John D. Panarese
> Director
> Mac for the Blind
> Tel, (631) 724-4479
> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com 
> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com 
> 
> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer
> 
> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
> 
> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 9, 2017, at 3:15 PM, Nickus de Vos > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all
>> I got a new MacBook Pro today, a 2015 retina model running the latest 
>> version of Mac OS Sierra.
>> 
>> I can’t remember how I set up my iMac back in the day, but I do know that I 
>> don’t have File volt encryption enabled on it. This time around I decided to 
>> switch on Filevolt on my new MacBook Pro, but I came across a Voiceover bug 
>> in doing so.
>> 
>> When I restarted the machine where it asks for your password to log in, 
>> voiceover gets stuck and no matter what you press or try, all it keeps 
>> saying over and over is “username”. So basically I found it impossible to 
>> log in to my Mac using voiceover, I had to get sighted assistance to get 
>> passed the log in screen, luckily someone was on hand.
>> 
>> I first thought I could simply enable automatic log in so that it doesn’t 
>> ask for my password when starting up the machine, but turns out with File 
>> Volt encryption enabled, you can’t enable automatic log in.
>> 
>> For now I disabled File Volt to work around this issue, but I’d like to 
>> enable it again if possible. Have anyone else came across this bug and are 
>> there any work arounds, something I missed?
>> 
>> Nickus
>> 
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Re: VO bug logging in with Filevolt enabled

[Donna Goodin]

Hi all,

I haven't used FileVault, but have been thinking about doing it for a while 
now.  So I have a question about John's post.  Do you choose a username, or is 
it assigned?  If assigned, what do you have to enter, the entire file path or 
just the name of that folder?
TIA,
Donna
> On Jun 9, 2017, at 2:37 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> hi,
> 
> Further to John's note, usually, VO is not active, nor available, at the 
> initial login screen when File Vault is enabled.  You can press cmd-f5 to try 
> to turn on VO, you should get a single tone, at this point, as John 
> mentioned, just type your username and press return.  If it accepts your 
> username, two tones will sound meaning that it's ready for your password. In 
> my case, once I start entering my password, a tone is sounded for each 
> key-press.  After you finish the password, press return and you should hear 
> three tones if the password was accepted.  Your Mac will then start up 
> normally.  You can then log off and on with the normal login screen most of 
> the time, unless your machine is restarted or shutdown at which time you'll 
> hear the good old tone once again.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 9, 2017, at 13:22, John Panarese  > wrote:
> 
>FileVault should work just fine. The login window is different though. Be 
> sure you press command-F5 to turn on VoiceOver. It will ask for your account 
> name, which is whatever the name is for your home folder is called.
>  Then, press enter and it will prompt you for your password. Type that and 
> hit enter.
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
> John D. Panarese
> Director
> Mac for the Blind
> Tel, (631) 724-4479
> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com 
> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com 
> 
> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer
> 
> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
> 
> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 9, 2017, at 3:15 PM, Nickus de Vos > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all
>> I got a new MacBook Pro today, a 2015 retina model running the latest 
>> version of Mac OS Sierra.
>> 
>> I can’t remember how I set up my iMac back in the day, but I do know that I 
>> don’t have File volt encryption enabled on it. This time around I decided to 
>> switch on Filevolt on my new MacBook Pro, but I came across a Voiceover bug 
>> in doing so.
>> 
>> When I restarted the machine where it asks for your password to log in, 
>> voiceover gets stuck and no matter what you press or try, all it keeps 
>> saying over and over is “username”. So basically I found it impossible to 
>> log in to my Mac using voiceover, I had to get sighted assistance to get 
>> passed the log in screen, luckily someone was on hand.
>> 
>> I first thought I could simply enable automatic log in so that it doesn’t 
>> ask for my password when starting up the machine, but turns out with File 
>> Volt encryption enabled, you can’t enable automatic log in.
>> 
>> For now I disabled File Volt to work around this issue, but I’d like to 
>> enable it again if possible. Have anyone else came across this bug and are 
>> there any work arounds, something I missed?
>> 
>> Nickus
>> 
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Re: deleting old time machine backups

[E.T.]

Chuck,
   I'm glad you believe that.

From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 6/9/2017 12:28 PM, CHUCK REICHEL wrote:

Hi EAT,
Very nice!
I must try this! :)
GOD for you is the Creator of the engineers that produced Apple!
C.R.


On Jun 9, 2017, at 2:24 PM, E.T. wrote:


Jean,
  I saved the following notes that Tim provided recently.

1. Go to Menu Extras and choose Time Machine.

2. Select Enter Time Machine.
Do not press Escape, this will dismiss TM.

3. Use Window Chooser and choose Time Machine Controls.

Interact with the Vertical Slider in the Controls window where you can go 
through the backups you have. When you have the date and time of the backup you 
wish to remove, and stop interacting with the slider. Use Window Chooser to get 
back to Finder once again. If you wish to remove the entire backup for that 
timeline...

4. Go to the Sidebar, under Devices and choose your computer.

5. Interact with the Scroll area and select your HD.

6. Go to the Toolbar, select Actions menu and choose Delete this Backup.

7. Now press Escape to dismiss TM.

From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
 "God for you is where you sweep away all the
 mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
 our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
 and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 6/9/2017 9:07 AM, jean parker wrote:

Hello All:

Apparently time machine is not deleting old backups. I have looked and can’t 
find anything about this in preferences. How can I get rid of the old backups 
which are now consuming space on my external hard drive? Can I send them to the 
trash?

Many thanks,

Jean

Dr. Jean Parker, Ph.D.
Senior Research Fellow
Trans4m Center For Integral Development
Geneva, Switzerland



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Re: VO bug logging in with Filevolt enabled

[Tim Kilburn]

hi,

Further to John's note, usually, VO is not active, nor available, at the 
initial login screen when File Vault is enabled.  You can press cmd-f5 to try 
to turn on VO, you should get a single tone, at this point, as John mentioned, 
just type your username and press return.  If it accepts your username, two 
tones will sound meaning that it's ready for your password. In my case, once I 
start entering my password, a tone is sounded for each key-press.  After you 
finish the password, press return and you should hear three tones if the 
password was accepted.  Your Mac will then start up normally.  You can then log 
off and on with the normal login screen most of the time, unless your machine 
is restarted or shutdown at which time you'll hear the good old tone once again.

HTH.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 9, 2017, at 13:22, John Panarese  wrote:

   FileVault should work just fine. The login window is different though. Be 
sure you press command-F5 to turn on VoiceOver. It will ask for your account 
name, which is whatever the name is for your home folder is called.
 Then, press enter and it will prompt you for your password. Type that and hit 
enter.


Take Care

John D. Panarese
Director
Mac for the Blind
Tel, (631) 724-4479
Email, j...@macfortheblind.com 
Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com 

APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer

AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE

MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT



> On Jun 9, 2017, at 3:15 PM, Nickus de Vos  > wrote:
> 
> Hi all
> I got a new MacBook Pro today, a 2015 retina model running the latest version 
> of Mac OS Sierra.
> 
> I can’t remember how I set up my iMac back in the day, but I do know that I 
> don’t have File volt encryption enabled on it. This time around I decided to 
> switch on Filevolt on my new MacBook Pro, but I came across a Voiceover bug 
> in doing so.
> 
> When I restarted the machine where it asks for your password to log in, 
> voiceover gets stuck and no matter what you press or try, all it keeps saying 
> over and over is “username”. So basically I found it impossible to log in to 
> my Mac using voiceover, I had to get sighted assistance to get passed the log 
> in screen, luckily someone was on hand.
> 
> I first thought I could simply enable automatic log in so that it doesn’t ask 
> for my password when starting up the machine, but turns out with File Volt 
> encryption enabled, you can’t enable automatic log in.
> 
> For now I disabled File Volt to work around this issue, but I’d like to 
> enable it again if possible. Have anyone else came across this bug and are 
> there any work arounds, something I missed?
> 
> Nickus
> 
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Re: VO bug logging in with Filevolt enabled

[Harry Bell]

I have VO set in System Preferences to come on as soon as my macs start up. I 
have Filevault and in the first screen VO announces that I need to put in my 
name in the first field and I then hit TAB and VO then asks for my password. I 
then hit ENTER and I'm in!
Cheers
Harry

> On 9 Jun 2017, at 20:22, John Panarese  wrote:
> 
>FileVault should work just fine. The login window is different though. Be 
> sure you press command-F5 to turn on VoiceOver. It will ask for your account 
> name, which is whatever the name is for your home folder is called.
>  Then, press enter and it will prompt you for your password. Type that and 
> hit enter.
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
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>> On Jun 9, 2017, at 3:15 PM, Nickus de Vos  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all
>> I got a new MacBook Pro today, a 2015 retina model running the latest 
>> version of Mac OS Sierra.
>> 
>> I can’t remember how I set up my iMac back in the day, but I do know that I 
>> don’t have File volt encryption enabled on it. This time around I decided to 
>> switch on Filevolt on my new MacBook Pro, but I came across a Voiceover bug 
>> in doing so.
>> 
>> When I restarted the machine where it asks for your password to log in, 
>> voiceover gets stuck and no matter what you press or try, all it keeps 
>> saying over and over is “username”. So basically I found it impossible to 
>> log in to my Mac using voiceover, I had to get sighted assistance to get 
>> passed the log in screen, luckily someone was on hand.
>> 
>> I first thought I could simply enable automatic log in so that it doesn’t 
>> ask for my password when starting up the machine, but turns out with File 
>> Volt encryption enabled, you can’t enable automatic log in.
>> 
>> For now I disabled File Volt to work around this issue, but I’d like to 
>> enable it again if possible. Have anyone else came across this bug and are 
>> there any work arounds, something I missed?
>> 
>> Nickus
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Re: deleting old time machine backups

[CHUCK REICHEL]

Hi EAT,
Very nice!
I must try this! :)
GOD for you is the Creator of the engineers that produced Apple!
C.R.


On Jun 9, 2017, at 2:24 PM, E.T. wrote:

> Jean,
>   I saved the following notes that Tim provided recently.
> 
> 1. Go to Menu Extras and choose Time Machine.
> 
> 2. Select Enter Time Machine.
> Do not press Escape, this will dismiss TM.
> 
> 3. Use Window Chooser and choose Time Machine Controls.
> 
> Interact with the Vertical Slider in the Controls window where you can go 
> through the backups you have. When you have the date and time of the backup 
> you wish to remove, and stop interacting with the slider. Use Window Chooser 
> to get back to Finder once again. If you wish to remove the entire backup for 
> that timeline...
> 
> 4. Go to the Sidebar, under Devices and choose your computer.
> 
> 5. Interact with the Scroll area and select your HD.
> 
> 6. Go to the Toolbar, select Actions menu and choose Delete this Backup.
> 
> 7. Now press Escape to dismiss TM.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 6/9/2017 9:07 AM, jean parker wrote:
>> Hello All:
>> 
>> Apparently time machine is not deleting old backups. I have looked and can’t 
>> find anything about this in preferences. How can I get rid of the old 
>> backups which are now consuming space on my external hard drive? Can I send 
>> them to the trash?
>> 
>> Many thanks,
>> 
>> Jean
>> 
>> Dr. Jean Parker, Ph.D.
>> Senior Research Fellow
>> Trans4m Center For Integral Development
>> Geneva, Switzerland
>> 
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Re: VO bug logging in with Filevolt enabled

[John Panarese]

   FileVault should work just fine. The login window is different though. Be 
sure you press command-F5 to turn on VoiceOver. It will ask for your account 
name, which is whatever the name is for your home folder is called.
 Then, press enter and it will prompt you for your password. Type that and hit 
enter.


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> On Jun 9, 2017, at 3:15 PM, Nickus de Vos  wrote:
> 
> Hi all
> I got a new MacBook Pro today, a 2015 retina model running the latest version 
> of Mac OS Sierra.
> 
> I can’t remember how I set up my iMac back in the day, but I do know that I 
> don’t have File volt encryption enabled on it. This time around I decided to 
> switch on Filevolt on my new MacBook Pro, but I came across a Voiceover bug 
> in doing so.
> 
> When I restarted the machine where it asks for your password to log in, 
> voiceover gets stuck and no matter what you press or try, all it keeps saying 
> over and over is “username”. So basically I found it impossible to log in to 
> my Mac using voiceover, I had to get sighted assistance to get passed the log 
> in screen, luckily someone was on hand.
> 
> I first thought I could simply enable automatic log in so that it doesn’t ask 
> for my password when starting up the machine, but turns out with File Volt 
> encryption enabled, you can’t enable automatic log in.
> 
> For now I disabled File Volt to work around this issue, but I’d like to 
> enable it again if possible. Have anyone else came across this bug and are 
> there any work arounds, something I missed?
> 
> Nickus
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Migrating from VMWare Fusion to Bootcamp

[Paul Hopewell]

Hello,
I am running the latest El Capitan on my late 2008 iMac. I have a Windows 7 
virtual machine running under VMWare Fusion.

I only use the Windows 7 infrequently to keep up my Windows skills and to do 
occasional testing of web sites under Windows. Under VMWare Fusion Windows 7 
runs painfully slowly. Is it possible to migrate instead to Windows 7 running 
under Bootcamp so that I can either boot the iMac as Mac OS or as Windows. 
Hopefully Windows will work much faster than using VMWare. I am not concerned 
about sharing data between Windows and Mac OS. 

A complication is that I no longer have the install CDs for Windows or some of 
the Windows applications. Can I just move my existing virtual machine into a 
Bootcamp partition?

Is such a migration possible? If so can it be done without sighted help? I have 
the WindowEyes screen reader running in my Windows virtual machine.

Many thanks for any tips.


Paul Hopewell 

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VO bug logging in with Filevolt enabled

[Nickus de Vos]

Hi all
I got a new MacBook Pro today, a 2015 retina model running the latest version 
of Mac OS Sierra.

I can’t remember how I set up my iMac back in the day, but I do know that I 
don’t have File volt encryption enabled on it. This time around I decided to 
switch on Filevolt on my new MacBook Pro, but I came across a Voiceover bug in 
doing so.

When I restarted the machine where it asks for your password to log in, 
voiceover gets stuck and no matter what you press or try, all it keeps saying 
over and over is “username”. So basically I found it impossible to log in to my 
Mac using voiceover, I had to get sighted assistance to get passed the log in 
screen, luckily someone was on hand.

I first thought I could simply enable automatic log in so that it doesn’t ask 
for my password when starting up the machine, but turns out with File Volt 
encryption enabled, you can’t enable automatic log in.

For now I disabled File Volt to work around this issue, but I’d like to enable 
it again if possible. Have anyone else came across this bug and are there any 
work arounds, something I missed?

Nickus

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Re: Accessible Password Manager

[christopher hallsworth]

Another vote for 1Password.
> On 9 Jun 2017, at 08:34, Nimer Jaber  wrote:
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> 
> I am looking for an accessible password manager. In the past, I have been a 
> last pass user, however I cannot figure out how to fill passwords in with the 
> Lastpass safari extension... I can get into the context menu and find last 
> pass as an option, however attempting to activate it achieves no results. So, 
> do you have a preferred password manager? I would use auto-fill in Safari, 
> however I do not get the option to save some websites, and often times 
> passwords are not filled... this especially happens with the new login page 
> that gmail is using, but I have been able to reproduce that on other sites as 
> well. This happens with the latest release of Mac OS,.
> 
> Thanks for any suggestions as to a workable password manager.
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Re: deleting old time machine backups

[E.T.]

Jean,
   I saved the following notes that Tim provided recently.

1. Go to Menu Extras and choose Time Machine.

2. Select Enter Time Machine.
Do not press Escape, this will dismiss TM.

3. Use Window Chooser and choose Time Machine Controls.

Interact with the Vertical Slider in the Controls window where you can 
go through the backups you have. When you have the date and time of the 
backup you wish to remove, and stop interacting with the slider. Use 
Window Chooser to get back to Finder once again. If you wish to remove 
the entire backup for that timeline...


4. Go to the Sidebar, under Devices and choose your computer.

5. Interact with the Scroll area and select your HD.

6. Go to the Toolbar, select Actions menu and choose Delete this Backup.

7. Now press Escape to dismiss TM.

From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
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  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 6/9/2017 9:07 AM, jean parker wrote:

Hello All:

Apparently time machine is not deleting old backups. I have looked and can’t 
find anything about this in preferences. How can I get rid of the old backups 
which are now consuming space on my external hard drive? Can I send them to the 
trash?

Many thanks,

Jean

Dr. Jean Parker, Ph.D.
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Re: deleting old time machine backups

[E.T.]

   After I moved my iTunes library to an external drive, I created a 
new backup task for it in Carbon Copy Cloner and excluded the library 
from Time Machine. Then went into TM and deleted from a certain date 
plus any iTunes library files. I will not run out of room any time soon 
for TM backs up to its own 1tb partition.


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On 6/9/2017 9:26 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries wrote:

This is somewhat by design. Time Machine assumes it owns whatever volume
you point it to and will continue to make incremental backups until the
volume is full. At that point it will begin to cull old backups. That's
why it's generally not a good idea to try and share space on a volume
with time machine. Some workarounds are to partition a volume to reign
in the amount of disk space TM can use. Another is to create a disk
image on that drive, mount that disk image and the point time machine
there. You can define how big the disk image is when you create it with
Disk Utility. TM won't recognize the disk image on its own. Not sure why
but you can manually do that in terminal by doing

tmutil setdestination /Volumes/Name_of_Your_Mounted_Disk_Image

Of course that means you must have that disk image opened before backups
will work and you should dismount that disk image before you disconnect
the external drive to make sure everything is buttoned up correctly.

Hope this helps.

CB

On 6/9/17 12:07 PM, jean parker wrote:

Hello All:

Apparently time machine is not deleting old backups. I have looked and
can’t find anything about this in preferences. How can I get rid of
the old backups which are now consuming space on my external hard
drive? Can I send them to the trash?

Many thanks,

Jean
  Dr. Jean Parker, Ph.D.
Senior Research Fellow
Trans4m Center For Integral Development
Geneva, Switzerland





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Re: getting AirPods to switch to different devices?

[Donna Goodin]

Hi Scott,

what you describe here is how I expected the AirPods to behave.  I was 
surprised when they didn't.  What you say makes sense, but I still think it'd 
be cool if they just picked up on whatever device was producing audio.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Jun 9, 2017, at 12:15 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Hi Alex, so in many bluetooth implementations all devices pair and the active 
> one is the one that is heard.  So for your example, if I touched my phone and 
> VO started to speak Bluetooth would activate and I would hear the VO audio.  
> If I switch to my watch and start touching that you’d hear the watch assuming 
> no other devices were producing audio.  My experience is they can do one at a 
> time so switching happens to the active unit.  In the even there are more 
> than one active channels the first to open the session has the audio and the 
> others are not heard.  Does that make sense?
> 
> The manual method is almost better in some ways so you don’t have audio lost 
> do to multiple sessions.
> 
>> On Jun 9, 2017, at 6:32 AM, Alex Hall > > wrote:
>> 
>> I always thought it was supposed to be manual. Right now, I'm wearing an 
>> Apple Watch, have an iPhone in my pocket, and am typing on a MacBook with an 
>> old Mac mini behind it. Given that I'm in easy range of four authenticated 
>> devices, how would automatic pairing with AirPods work? They would have no 
>> way of knowing which device I wanted them to use. My impression has always 
>> been that the pairing is what syncs, so you never need to manually pair 
>> AirPods with any device connected to your iCloud account. Even the first 
>> pairing is just a tap, not a code and a special mode. Once you do that, all 
>> your other devices save the Pods as an option to use in the future, so you 
>> don't need to pair them with anything but the first device. Actively using 
>> them, though, has to be a manual process or the Pods wouldn't know what to 
>> do in many situations.
>> 
>> --
>> Alex Hall
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 9, 2017, at 06:16, Simon Fogarty >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Donna,
>>>  
>>> No they don’t seem to do that, even when switching bck to the phone you 
>>> have to do the switch over manually,
>>>  The only ting I’ve noticed of automatic is the setup on the phone and the 
>>> pods showing up in Bluetooth of all devices.
>>>  
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>  
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> ] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>>> Sent: Friday, 9 June 2017 3:25 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> Subject: Re: getting AirPods to switch to different devices?
>>>  
>>> Hey Paul,
>>>  
>>> Pressing Connect in the bluetooth menu did get them to switch from my phone 
>>> to my Mac, but now they won't switch back to my phone unless I manually go 
>>> in and switch them.. If that's the way they're supposed to work, that's 
>>> fine, but I thought they could switch without the user having to manually 
>>> go in and tell them to.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 10:15 AM, Paul Mimms >> > wrote:
>>>  
>>> Try going into Bluetooth on the particular device, and you should see the 
>>> AirPods there and tap on it to pair.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> Life is 10% what happens, and how you take it, and 90% what you do about 
>>> it, and what you make of it.
>>> Sent from my iPhone 7 Plus
>>> 
>>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 9:48 AM, Donna Goodin >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> My understanding was that the AirPods are supposed to automatically pair 
>>> with any device that is connected to iCloud, and automatically switch to 
>>> the device that you are using.  I have not been able to get them to play 
>>> with either my watch or my Mac.  How do I do this?
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
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Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Scott Granados]

Well, first, I sincerely hope you’re still around.  I’m pulling for you.

I get this approach from Apple and will give it a shot.  I’m not going to 
completely discount something I haven’t tried.  Just call me skeptical but 
willing to try.  Sonos sounds very good, the Google home sounds very good for 
it’s size and regardless I don’t feel spied on.  I use google services a lot 
and have done contract work for the company in years passed and feel 
comfortable trading some data for the use of their services.  Are they perfect, 
no but I’m not prepared to go as far as you Mary on that one.  TO each their 
own.  I’m very down for good audio though so hopefully Apple will win me over.

> On Jun 8, 2017, at 6:00 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> You know, Apple is not marketing this as a Google or Amazon competitor. I've 
> seen a couple of articles that I thought made very good points, which is that 
> there really marketing it towards the audio Lovers. Admittedly  quick reviews 
> have been very impressed with the audio as compared to comparable Sonos 
> speakers. The media made a mistake when they assumed it was going to be a 
> "Siri speaker. It is an audio system with Siri which is different from echo 
> Alexa, which doesn't sound that great or Google home, which ones wants to 
> collect all your data and has a superior assistant but is not in the same 
> league as the home pod for audio in terms of the speaker   Assistant at the 
> expense of your privacy. Mark. The other stuff is nice, and might be useful. 
> But this is going after people who might otherwise paisanos. I for one if 
> this works will buy it if I'm still around. So this is too expensive 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 1:30 PM, gary-melconian  wrote:
>> 
>> Scott they ar ttrying to get dum siri to catch up to google assistant and 
>> alexa in the home .  
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>> Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 12:11 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>> 
>> I’m not convinced about this home pod.  The fact they are banking on Siri as 
>> part of it disturbs me unless it has a quantum leap forward.  I suppose 
>> these are cheaper than Sonos but I just don’t know.  That’s more than 3 
>> times the cost of the Google Home.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 9:54 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Because right now, we're not that heavily invested in Sonos that we 
>>> couldn't switch.  If the HomePods sound better, and have more AI as Apple 
>>> suggests, why not switch?
>>> Donna
 On Jun 8, 2017, at 4:11 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
 
 Hi Donna,
 
 Yeah I am wondering but why not just use sonos for everything, you know it 
 works and works well.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
 Sent: Thursday, 8 June 2017 12:02 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
 
 I have to admit, I'm intrigued by the Apple speakers.  I figure we can 
 move our two Sonos Play One speakers out to the deck and use the Apple 
 ones inside.  Looking forward to hearing what they sound like.
 Donna
> On Jun 7, 2017, at 3:20 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> I can't say I've ever had issues with sound quality on my sonos and 
> the home pods will have to be pretty loody hot sounding for me to 
> purchase one or even two as my sonos speakers ldo the exact job the 
> home pods do and all from my phone.-Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Terje 
> Strømberg
> Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 4:03 AM
> To: Mac Group 
> Cc: Terje Strømberg 
> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
> 
> iPad Pro is interesting and i probably get one. iMac Pro looks like high 
> end if it runs reasonable quiet and cool. The speaker may have better 
> sound than Sonos. Did not say anything about speaker phone function. 
> Should be able to route the phone audio to the speaker. What is the 
> borring name again?
> 
> Take care
> 
>> 6. jun. 2017 kl. 17.47 skrev E.T. :
>> 
>> Scott,
>> I see. A friend lost his 3rd to a scumbag and at that time the 3rd was 
>> no longer available so he got a 4th. He is happy with it.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the  mysteries of the 
>> world, all the challenges to  our intelligence. 

Re: changing subject lines

[Scott Granados]

I’m guilty of this and apologize for causing any confusion.


> On Jun 8, 2017, at 5:26 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Given that I'm terrible about doing this, I can't believe I'm going to be the 
> one to bring it up.  But that WWD3 subject line has covered an awful lot of 
> ground, as have a couple of other subject lines.  Might be a good idea to 
> start paying attention and change the subject line so it corresponds to the 
> message topic.
> Cheers,
> Donna
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Re: getting AirPods to switch to different devices?

[Scott Granados]

Hi Alex, so in many bluetooth implementations all devices pair and the active 
one is the one that is heard.  So for your example, if I touched my phone and 
VO started to speak Bluetooth would activate and I would hear the VO audio.  If 
I switch to my watch and start touching that you’d hear the watch assuming no 
other devices were producing audio.  My experience is they can do one at a time 
so switching happens to the active unit.  In the even there are more than one 
active channels the first to open the session has the audio and the others are 
not heard.  Does that make sense?

The manual method is almost better in some ways so you don’t have audio lost do 
to multiple sessions.

> On Jun 9, 2017, at 6:32 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> I always thought it was supposed to be manual. Right now, I'm wearing an 
> Apple Watch, have an iPhone in my pocket, and am typing on a MacBook with an 
> old Mac mini behind it. Given that I'm in easy range of four authenticated 
> devices, how would automatic pairing with AirPods work? They would have no 
> way of knowing which device I wanted them to use. My impression has always 
> been that the pairing is what syncs, so you never need to manually pair 
> AirPods with any device connected to your iCloud account. Even the first 
> pairing is just a tap, not a code and a special mode. Once you do that, all 
> your other devices save the Pods as an option to use in the future, so you 
> don't need to pair them with anything but the first device. Actively using 
> them, though, has to be a manual process or the Pods wouldn't know what to do 
> in many situations.
> 
> --
> Alex Hall
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 9, 2017, at 06:16, Simon Fogarty > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Donna,
>>  
>> No they don’t seem to do that, even when switching bck to the phone you have 
>> to do the switch over manually,
>>  The only ting I’ve noticed of automatic is the setup on the phone and the 
>> pods showing up in Bluetooth of all devices.
>>  
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>  
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> ] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>> Sent: Friday, 9 June 2017 3:25 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: getting AirPods to switch to different devices?
>>  
>> Hey Paul,
>>  
>> Pressing Connect in the bluetooth menu did get them to switch from my phone 
>> to my Mac, but now they won't switch back to my phone unless I manually go 
>> in and switch them.. If that's the way they're supposed to work, that's 
>> fine, but I thought they could switch without the user having to manually go 
>> in and tell them to.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 10:15 AM, Paul Mimms > > wrote:
>>  
>> Try going into Bluetooth on the particular device, and you should see the 
>> AirPods there and tap on it to pair.
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> Life is 10% what happens, and how you take it, and 90% what you do about it, 
>> and what you make of it.
>> Sent from my iPhone 7 Plus
>> 
>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 9:48 AM, Donna Goodin > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> My understanding was that the AirPods are supposed to automatically pair 
>> with any device that is connected to iCloud, and automatically switch to the 
>> device that you are using.  I have not been able to get them to play with 
>> either my watch or my Mac.  How do I do this?
>> TIA,
>> Donna
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Re: Amazon Prime Video is now offering audio description

[Katie Zodrow]

Thanks for sharing this news Mary. I am really glad that Amazon Prime  is now 
offering audio description. I was hoping this would happen soon. :-)
Awesome!
Katie

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 9, 2017, at 9:12 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> This should be of interest to android or iOS users who like Amazon prime 
> video. I assume this will be accessible on any platform that has Amazon prime 
> available.
> Get out those fire TVs or fire TV sticks and check it out, you don't have to 
> be using an android or an iPhone.
> Amazon Prime Video is now offering audio description
> AppleVis | Empowering blind and low-vision users of Apple products ...  /  
> Greg Wocher
> 
> Hello everyone,
> I wanted to let everyone know that amazon prime video is now offering audio 
> description. I saw this come across on my twitter feed from ACB National. 
> Here is a link to the ACB's announcement:
> http://acb.org/amazon-announces-AD
> 
> I have tried it on one of the series mentioned in the list and it does work. 
> It looks like it works similar to NetFlix. Once you get a show started, you 
> need to find the autdio options and check english with audio description. 
> Everyone who has access to prime video go and have a look.
> 
> Regards,
> Greg Wocher
> 
> Forum: 
> 
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Re: deleting old time machine backups

['Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries]

This is somewhat by design. Time Machine assumes it owns whatever volume 
you point it to and will continue to make incremental backups until the 
volume is full. At that point it will begin to cull old backups. That's 
why it's generally not a good idea to try and share space on a volume 
with time machine. Some workarounds are to partition a volume to reign 
in the amount of disk space TM can use. Another is to create a disk 
image on that drive, mount that disk image and the point time machine 
there. You can define how big the disk image is when you create it with 
Disk Utility. TM won't recognize the disk image on its own. Not sure why 
but you can manually do that in terminal by doing


tmutil setdestination /Volumes/Name_of_Your_Mounted_Disk_Image

Of course that means you must have that disk image opened before backups 
will work and you should dismount that disk image before you disconnect 
the external drive to make sure everything is buttoned up correctly.


Hope this helps.

CB

On 6/9/17 12:07 PM, jean parker wrote:

Hello All:

Apparently time machine is not deleting old backups. I have looked and can’t 
find anything about this in preferences. How can I get rid of the old backups 
which are now consuming space on my external hard drive? Can I send them to the 
trash?

Many thanks,

Jean
  
Dr. Jean Parker, Ph.D.

Senior Research Fellow
Trans4m Center For Integral Development
Geneva, Switzerland



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Amazon Prime Video is now offering audio description

[Mary Otten]

This should be of interest to android or iOS users who like Amazon prime video. 
I assume this will be accessible on any platform that has Amazon prime 
available.
Get out those fire TVs or fire TV sticks and check it out, you don't have to be 
using an android or an iPhone.
Amazon Prime Video is now offering audio description
AppleVis | Empowering blind and low-vision users of Apple products ...  /  Greg 
Wocher

Hello everyone,
I wanted to let everyone know that amazon prime video is now offering audio 
description. I saw this come across on my twitter feed from ACB National. Here 
is a link to the ACB's announcement:
http://acb.org/amazon-announces-AD

I have tried it on one of the series mentioned in the list and it does work. It 
looks like it works similar to NetFlix. Once you get a show started, you need 
to find the autdio options and check english with audio description. Everyone 
who has access to prime video go and have a look.

Regards,
Greg Wocher

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deleting old time machine backups

[jean parker]

Hello All:

Apparently time machine is not deleting old backups. I have looked and can’t 
find anything about this in preferences. How can I get rid of the old backups 
which are now consuming space on my external hard drive? Can I send them to the 
trash?

Many thanks,

Jean
 
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Trans4m Center For Integral Development
Geneva, Switzerland

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Re: Moving notes from one folder to another

[Larry Thacker Jr.]

lso 
Drag and drop may work better if you first turn off cursor tracking.  I had a 
similar problem and someone here made that suggestion.  otherwise focus changes 
when you move to the folder list and the item is no longer on the screen to 
drag.

> On Jun 9, 2017, at 9:46 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> That's odd, as it just worked for me.
> 
> 1.  Interact with the folder table and find the folder you wish to move from.
> 2.  Stop interacting with this table and navigate to the Notes table.
> 3.  Interact with it and navigate to the note you wish to move.
> 4.  Press VO-cmd-f5 to ensure that the mouse is at this location.
> 5.  Press VO-shift-cmd-space.  You should hear VO announce "Mouse down on".
> 6.  Stop interacting with the Notes table and navigate back over to the 
> Folders table.
> 7.  Interact with it and navigate to the folder item where you wish to drop 
> it.
> 8.  Press VO-cmd-f5 to make sure that the mouse is at the same location.  
> When you do this, VO should re-announce the item at that location.
> 9.  Press VO-shift-cmd-space to drop the note.
> 
> The specific note should move from one folder to another.  Note that I don't 
> have QuickNav enabled and that I normally have all cursors following each 
> other.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 9, 2017, at 08:06, Matthew Dierckens  > wrote:
> 
> Hi, unfortunately that didn't work either.
> 
> God bless.
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>> On Jun 9, 2017, at 10:00, Tim Kilburn > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> When that Drag & Drop method doesn't work, you can often use the old 
>> fashioned method.  Navigate to the item, press VO-shift-cmd-space to invoke 
>> mouse down, then navigate to the desired location and press the same 
>> combination again to release the mouse, or invoke mouse up.  Occasionally, 
>> when performing these actions, you also need to make sure the mouse has 
>> routed to the VO Cursor prior to the mouse down or mouse up action.  This is 
>> done with VO-cmd-f5.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jun 9, 2017, at 07:54, Matthew Dierckens > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, I just tried that and I can drag it, but when I try to drop it, it says 
>> that the item is no longer available.
>> 
>> God bless.
>> Matthew Dierckens
>> Certified Assistive Technology Specialist
>> Macintosh, IOS  and Windows Trainer
>> JAWS for windows Certified - 2016
>> Canadian Phone: 519-962-9140
>> U.S. phone: 573-401-1018
>> Personal Email: matt.dierck...@me.com 
>>> On Jun 9, 2017, at 09:51, Ricardo Walker >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Have you tried drag and drop with VO comma and VO period?
>>> 
 On Jun 9, 2017, at 9:15 AM, Matthew Dierckens > wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 I am working with a student who wants to move notes on the mac from the 
 "All iCloud" folder to a "Bible Verses" folder. I cannot, for the life of 
 me figure out how to successfully do this with VO.
 I am unable to copy or paste into folders, I can do a select all but then 
 my only choices are lock note, delete, and new note.
 Does anyone know how we can fix this?
 
 God bless.
 Matthew Dierckens
 Certified Assistive Technology Specialist
 Macintosh, IOS  and Windows Trainer
 JAWS for windows Certified - 2016
 Canadian Phone: 519-962-9140
 U.S. phone: 573-401-1018
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Re: Accessible Password Manager

[E.T.]

   Yes my 1Password is loaded with data too. On Windows its easy to log 
into sites but I do all editing on the Mac. I have yet to use it on my 
iPhone but its there if I need it away from home.


From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
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  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 6/9/2017 7:58 AM, John JD Denning wrote:

I use 1Password on my Mac, and iOS devices. I like it. I still haven't figured 
out a good workflow for websites. But I can access what I need and it does 
well. I support person send me the keystrokes to be able to do it smoother. I 
need to play around with it a bit more to be really proficient and fast. But as 
I said I can use it I can get to everything I have secured notes, credit cards, 
websites, serial numbers for apps. And it's all accessible. The weak link is 
just my voiceover scales. I'm just learning to do without site.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 9, 2017, at 10:09, E.T.  wrote:

  1Password works well under Windows and Sierra. I use it mainly on the Windows 
machine while I get used to certain parts of Sierra.

From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
 "God for you is where you sweep away all the
 mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
 our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
 and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com


On 6/9/2017 1:36 AM, Nimer Jaber wrote:
Hello,

If that was supposed to be 1password, I have not used it on the Mac, but
on Windows, I am unable to get it to fill in passwords... when I
activate the context menu, I get an option for 1password, and when
pressing it, it tells me that it can't connect with something or other,
or it needs something... I don't really remember what it says, and I do
use windows at work, so definitely would prefer if there was a
multi-platform option... Lastpass would be great, except that I can't
seem to be able to access the last pass extension to have it fill in
passwords... not sure this made any sense, but if you say that 1password
is better on the Mac side, then I will play around with it and see if I
can fix the error on the Windows side.

Thanks.

On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 2:44 AM gary-melconian > wrote:

   Have you use 1 pas manaer.  

   __ __

   *From:*macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
   
   [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
   ] *On Behalf Of *Nimer Jaber
   *Sent:* Friday, June 9, 2017 12:35 AM
   *To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
   
   *Subject:* Accessible Password Manager

   __ __

   Hello,

   __ __

   I am looking for an accessible password manager. In the past, I have
   been a last pass user, however I cannot figure out how to fill
   passwords in with the Lastpass safari extension... I can get into
   the context menu and find last pass as an option, however attempting
   to activate it achieves no results. So, do you have a preferred
   password manager? I would use auto-fill in Safari, however I do not
   get the option to save some websites, and often times passwords are
   not filled... this especially happens with the new login page that
   gmail is using, but I have been able to reproduce that on other
   sites as well. This happens with the latest release of Mac OS,.

   __ __

   Thanks for any suggestions as to a workable password manager.

   -- 

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Re: Accessible Password Manager

[John JD Denning]

I use 1Password on my Mac, and iOS devices. I like it. I still haven't figured 
out a good workflow for websites. But I can access what I need and it does 
well. I support person send me the keystrokes to be able to do it smoother. I 
need to play around with it a bit more to be really proficient and fast. But as 
I said I can use it I can get to everything I have secured notes, credit cards, 
websites, serial numbers for apps. And it's all accessible. The weak link is 
just my voiceover scales. I'm just learning to do without site.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 9, 2017, at 10:09, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   1Password works well under Windows and Sierra. I use it mainly on the 
> Windows machine while I get used to certain parts of Sierra.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
>> On 6/9/2017 1:36 AM, Nimer Jaber wrote:
>> Hello,
>> 
>> If that was supposed to be 1password, I have not used it on the Mac, but
>> on Windows, I am unable to get it to fill in passwords... when I
>> activate the context menu, I get an option for 1password, and when
>> pressing it, it tells me that it can't connect with something or other,
>> or it needs something... I don't really remember what it says, and I do
>> use windows at work, so definitely would prefer if there was a
>> multi-platform option... Lastpass would be great, except that I can't
>> seem to be able to access the last pass extension to have it fill in
>> passwords... not sure this made any sense, but if you say that 1password
>> is better on the Mac side, then I will play around with it and see if I
>> can fix the error on the Windows side.
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 2:44 AM gary-melconian > > wrote:
>> 
>>Have you use 1 pas manaer.  
>> 
>>__ __
>> 
>>*From:*macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>
>>[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>] *On Behalf Of *Nimer Jaber
>>*Sent:* Friday, June 9, 2017 12:35 AM
>>*To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>
>>*Subject:* Accessible Password Manager
>> 
>>__ __
>> 
>>Hello,
>> 
>>__ __
>> 
>>I am looking for an accessible password manager. In the past, I have
>>been a last pass user, however I cannot figure out how to fill
>>passwords in with the Lastpass safari extension... I can get into
>>the context menu and find last pass as an option, however attempting
>>to activate it achieves no results. So, do you have a preferred
>>password manager? I would use auto-fill in Safari, however I do not
>>get the option to save some websites, and often times passwords are
>>not filled... this especially happens with the new login page that
>>gmail is using, but I have been able to reproduce that on other
>>sites as well. This happens with the latest release of Mac OS,.
>> 
>>__ __
>> 
>>Thanks for any suggestions as to a workable password manager.
>> 
>>-- 
>> 
>>Cordially,
>> 
>>Nimer Jaber
>> 
>>My mission is to bring love and peace to everyone around me with all
>>tools available to me.
>>My core values are integrity, innovation, loyalty, excellence, and
>>100% personal responsibility.
>> 
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Re: Moving notes from one folder to another

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

That's odd, as it just worked for me.

1.  Interact with the folder table and find the folder you wish to move from.
2.  Stop interacting with this table and navigate to the Notes table.
3.  Interact with it and navigate to the note you wish to move.
4.  Press VO-cmd-f5 to ensure that the mouse is at this location.
5.  Press VO-shift-cmd-space.  You should hear VO announce "Mouse down on".
6.  Stop interacting with the Notes table and navigate back over to the Folders 
table.
7.  Interact with it and navigate to the folder item where you wish to drop it.
8.  Press VO-cmd-f5 to make sure that the mouse is at the same location.  When 
you do this, VO should re-announce the item at that location.
9.  Press VO-shift-cmd-space to drop the note.

The specific note should move from one folder to another.  Note that I don't 
have QuickNav enabled and that I normally have all cursors following each other.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 9, 2017, at 08:06, Matthew Dierckens  wrote:

Hi, unfortunately that didn't work either.

God bless.
Matthew Dierckens
Certified Assistive Technology Specialist
Macintosh, IOS  and Windows Trainer
JAWS for windows Certified - 2016
Canadian Phone: 519-962-9140
U.S. phone: 573-401-1018
Personal Email: matt.dierck...@me.com 
> On Jun 9, 2017, at 10:00, Tim Kilburn  > wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> When that Drag & Drop method doesn't work, you can often use the old 
> fashioned method.  Navigate to the item, press VO-shift-cmd-space to invoke 
> mouse down, then navigate to the desired location and press the same 
> combination again to release the mouse, or invoke mouse up.  Occasionally, 
> when performing these actions, you also need to make sure the mouse has 
> routed to the VO Cursor prior to the mouse down or mouse up action.  This is 
> done with VO-cmd-f5.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 9, 2017, at 07:54, Matthew Dierckens  > wrote:
> 
> Hi, I just tried that and I can drag it, but when I try to drop it, it says 
> that the item is no longer available.
> 
> God bless.
> Matthew Dierckens
> Certified Assistive Technology Specialist
> Macintosh, IOS  and Windows Trainer
> JAWS for windows Certified - 2016
> Canadian Phone: 519-962-9140
> U.S. phone: 573-401-1018
> Personal Email: matt.dierck...@me.com 
>> On Jun 9, 2017, at 09:51, Ricardo Walker > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Have you tried drag and drop with VO comma and VO period?
>> 
>>> On Jun 9, 2017, at 9:15 AM, Matthew Dierckens >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> I am working with a student who wants to move notes on the mac from the 
>>> "All iCloud" folder to a "Bible Verses" folder. I cannot, for the life of 
>>> me figure out how to successfully do this with VO.
>>> I am unable to copy or paste into folders, I can do a select all but then 
>>> my only choices are lock note, delete, and new note.
>>> Does anyone know how we can fix this?
>>> 
>>> God bless.
>>> Matthew Dierckens
>>> Certified Assistive Technology Specialist
>>> Macintosh, IOS  and Windows Trainer
>>> JAWS for windows Certified - 2016
>>> Canadian Phone: 519-962-9140
>>> U.S. phone: 573-401-1018
>>> Personal Email: matt.dierck...@me.com 
>>> 
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Re: Accessible Password Manager

[E.T.]

   1Password works well under Windows and Sierra. I use it mainly on 
the Windows machine while I get used to certain parts of Sierra.


From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 6/9/2017 1:36 AM, Nimer Jaber wrote:

Hello,

If that was supposed to be 1password, I have not used it on the Mac, but
on Windows, I am unable to get it to fill in passwords... when I
activate the context menu, I get an option for 1password, and when
pressing it, it tells me that it can't connect with something or other,
or it needs something... I don't really remember what it says, and I do
use windows at work, so definitely would prefer if there was a
multi-platform option... Lastpass would be great, except that I can't
seem to be able to access the last pass extension to have it fill in
passwords... not sure this made any sense, but if you say that 1password
is better on the Mac side, then I will play around with it and see if I
can fix the error on the Windows side.

Thanks.

On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 2:44 AM gary-melconian > wrote:

Have you use 1 pas manaer.  

__ __

*From:*macvisionaries@googlegroups.com

[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
] *On Behalf Of *Nimer Jaber
*Sent:* Friday, June 9, 2017 12:35 AM
*To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com

*Subject:* Accessible Password Manager

__ __

Hello,

__ __

I am looking for an accessible password manager. In the past, I have
been a last pass user, however I cannot figure out how to fill
passwords in with the Lastpass safari extension... I can get into
the context menu and find last pass as an option, however attempting
to activate it achieves no results. So, do you have a preferred
password manager? I would use auto-fill in Safari, however I do not
get the option to save some websites, and often times passwords are
not filled... this especially happens with the new login page that
gmail is using, but I have been able to reproduce that on other
sites as well. This happens with the latest release of Mac OS,.

__ __

Thanks for any suggestions as to a workable password manager.

-- 

Cordially,

Nimer Jaber

My mission is to bring love and peace to everyone around me with all
tools available to me.
My core values are integrity, innovation, loyalty, excellence, and
100% personal responsibility.

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Re: Moving notes from one folder to another

[Matthew Dierckens]

Hi, unfortunately that didn't work either.

God bless.
Matthew Dierckens
Certified Assistive Technology Specialist
Macintosh, IOS  and Windows Trainer
JAWS for windows Certified - 2016
Canadian Phone: 519-962-9140
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> On Jun 9, 2017, at 10:00, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> When that Drag & Drop method doesn't work, you can often use the old 
> fashioned method.  Navigate to the item, press VO-shift-cmd-space to invoke 
> mouse down, then navigate to the desired location and press the same 
> combination again to release the mouse, or invoke mouse up.  Occasionally, 
> when performing these actions, you also need to make sure the mouse has 
> routed to the VO Cursor prior to the mouse down or mouse up action.  This is 
> done with VO-cmd-f5.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 9, 2017, at 07:54, Matthew Dierckens  > wrote:
> 
> Hi, I just tried that and I can drag it, but when I try to drop it, it says 
> that the item is no longer available.
> 
> God bless.
> Matthew Dierckens
> Certified Assistive Technology Specialist
> Macintosh, IOS  and Windows Trainer
> JAWS for windows Certified - 2016
> Canadian Phone: 519-962-9140
> U.S. phone: 573-401-1018
> Personal Email: matt.dierck...@me.com 
>> On Jun 9, 2017, at 09:51, Ricardo Walker > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Have you tried drag and drop with VO comma and VO period?
>> 
>>> On Jun 9, 2017, at 9:15 AM, Matthew Dierckens >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> I am working with a student who wants to move notes on the mac from the 
>>> "All iCloud" folder to a "Bible Verses" folder. I cannot, for the life of 
>>> me figure out how to successfully do this with VO.
>>> I am unable to copy or paste into folders, I can do a select all but then 
>>> my only choices are lock note, delete, and new note.
>>> Does anyone know how we can fix this?
>>> 
>>> God bless.
>>> Matthew Dierckens
>>> Certified Assistive Technology Specialist
>>> Macintosh, IOS  and Windows Trainer
>>> JAWS for windows Certified - 2016
>>> Canadian Phone: 519-962-9140
>>> U.S. phone: 573-401-1018
>>> Personal Email: matt.dierck...@me.com 
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Re: Moving notes from one folder to another

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

When that Drag & Drop method doesn't work, you can often use the old fashioned 
method.  Navigate to the item, press VO-shift-cmd-space to invoke mouse down, 
then navigate to the desired location and press the same combination again to 
release the mouse, or invoke mouse up.  Occasionally, when performing these 
actions, you also need to make sure the mouse has routed to the VO Cursor prior 
to the mouse down or mouse up action.  This is done with VO-cmd-f5.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 9, 2017, at 07:54, Matthew Dierckens  wrote:

Hi, I just tried that and I can drag it, but when I try to drop it, it says 
that the item is no longer available.

God bless.
Matthew Dierckens
Certified Assistive Technology Specialist
Macintosh, IOS  and Windows Trainer
JAWS for windows Certified - 2016
Canadian Phone: 519-962-9140
U.S. phone: 573-401-1018
Personal Email: matt.dierck...@me.com 
> On Jun 9, 2017, at 09:51, Ricardo Walker  > wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Have you tried drag and drop with VO comma and VO period?
> 
>> On Jun 9, 2017, at 9:15 AM, Matthew Dierckens > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> I am working with a student who wants to move notes on the mac from the "All 
>> iCloud" folder to a "Bible Verses" folder. I cannot, for the life of me 
>> figure out how to successfully do this with VO.
>> I am unable to copy or paste into folders, I can do a select all but then my 
>> only choices are lock note, delete, and new note.
>> Does anyone know how we can fix this?
>> 
>> God bless.
>> Matthew Dierckens
>> Certified Assistive Technology Specialist
>> Macintosh, IOS  and Windows Trainer
>> JAWS for windows Certified - 2016
>> Canadian Phone: 519-962-9140
>> U.S. phone: 573-401-1018
>> Personal Email: matt.dierck...@me.com 
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Re: Moving notes from one folder to another

[Matthew Dierckens]

Hi, I just tried that and I can drag it, but when I try to drop it, it says 
that the item is no longer available.

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> On Jun 9, 2017, at 09:51, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
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> Hi,
> 
> Have you tried drag and drop with VO comma and VO period?
> 
>> On Jun 9, 2017, at 9:15 AM, Matthew Dierckens  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> I am working with a student who wants to move notes on the mac from the "All 
>> iCloud" folder to a "Bible Verses" folder. I cannot, for the life of me 
>> figure out how to successfully do this with VO.
>> I am unable to copy or paste into folders, I can do a select all but then my 
>> only choices are lock note, delete, and new note.
>> Does anyone know how we can fix this?
>> 
>> God bless.
>> Matthew Dierckens
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Re: Moving notes from one folder to another

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi,

Have you tried drag and drop with VO comma and VO period?

> On Jun 9, 2017, at 9:15 AM, Matthew Dierckens  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> I am working with a student who wants to move notes on the mac from the "All 
> iCloud" folder to a "Bible Verses" folder. I cannot, for the life of me 
> figure out how to successfully do this with VO.
> I am unable to copy or paste into folders, I can do a select all but then my 
> only choices are lock note, delete, and new note.
> Does anyone know how we can fix this?
> 
> God bless.
> Matthew Dierckens
> Certified Assistive Technology Specialist
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Moving notes from one folder to another

[Matthew Dierckens]

Hi all,
I am working with a student who wants to move notes on the mac from the "All 
iCloud" folder to a "Bible Verses" folder. I cannot, for the life of me figure 
out how to successfully do this with VO.
I am unable to copy or paste into folders, I can do a select all but then my 
only choices are lock note, delete, and new note.
Does anyone know how we can fix this?

God bless.
Matthew Dierckens
Certified Assistive Technology Specialist
Macintosh, IOS  and Windows Trainer
JAWS for windows Certified - 2016
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Re: getting AirPods to switch to different devices?

[Donna Goodin]

Thanks, Simon.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Jun 9, 2017, at 5:16 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
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> Hi Donna,
>  
> No they don’t seem to do that, even when switching bck to the phone you have 
> to do the switch over manually,
>  The only ting I’ve noticed of automatic is the setup on the phone and the 
> pods showing up in Bluetooth of all devices.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> ] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
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> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: getting AirPods to switch to different devices?
>  
> Hey Paul,
>  
> Pressing Connect in the bluetooth menu did get them to switch from my phone 
> to my Mac, but now they won't switch back to my phone unless I manually go in 
> and switch them.. If that's the way they're supposed to work, that's fine, 
> but I thought they could switch without the user having to manually go in and 
> tell them to.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> On Jun 8, 2017, at 10:15 AM, Paul Mimms  > wrote:
>  
> Try going into Bluetooth on the particular device, and you should see the 
> AirPods there and tap on it to pair.
> 
> 
>  
> Life is 10% what happens, and how you take it, and 90% what you do about it, 
> and what you make of it.
> Sent from my iPhone 7 Plus
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> On Jun 8, 2017, at 9:48 AM, Donna Goodin  > wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> My understanding was that the AirPods are supposed to automatically pair with 
> any device that is connected to iCloud, and automatically switch to the 
> device that you are using.  I have not been able to get them to play with 
> either my watch or my Mac.  How do I do this?
> TIA,
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Re: getting AirPods to switch to different devices?

[Donna Goodin]

thanks, Simon.  This fits with what I'm finding, too.  Later today I'm going to 
turn off my phone for a while, and see what happens then.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Jun 9, 2017, at 5:14 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
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> HI Donna,
> 
> They will hso up as devices in Bluetooth on both your mac and watch,
> But to get them to pick up sound from your computer you will need to manually 
> select them.
> As for the watch, yeah good luck with that, I've never been able to get the 
> pods to pick up my watch unless the phone is off or out of range 
> 
> I'll have to give it another try,
> That is one of the issues I find with the pods is the switching between 
> devices, it's not auto you have to switch manually  
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Friday, 9 June 2017 2:49 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: getting AirPods to switch to different devices?
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> My understanding was that the AirPods are supposed to automatically pair with 
> any device that is connected to iCloud, and automatically switch to the 
> device that you are using.  I have not been able to get them to play with 
> either my watch or my Mac.  How do I do this?
> TIA,
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Re: Text selection in inbox.google.com

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Nimer,

Text selection is one of those questions that comes up regularly as there is 
not one way that works everywhere with VoiceOver.
The simplest way, and the one that works in most text editing situations, is 
the Shift key with arrow keys.
Shift-Right Arrow selects by character.
Shift-Option-Right Arrow selects by word.
Shift-Cmd-Right Arrow selects to the end of the line.
Shift-Down Arrow selects a line.
Shift-Option-Down Arrow selects to the end of the paragraph.
Shift-Cmd-Down Arrow selects to the end of the document.
Obviously, left arrow and up arrow perform the opposite functions.

The next method is to use Quick Nav and the shift key. Just set the rotor to 
Characters, words, lines, sentences or paragraphs and hold down the Shift key 
as you press the Down Arrow key.

The third method is VO-Return to begin and end the selection. This usually 
works in HTML.

Then, if all you want to do is copy text, you can make VoiceOver speak the text 
you want, and then press VO-Shift-c to copy the last spoken phrase to the 
clipboard.

Cheers,

Anne



> On 9 Jun 2017, at 09:31, Nimer Jaber  wrote:
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> First, I use inbox.google.com  for my e-mail, as I 
> find the inbox sorting of messages to be delightful, and I prefer the 
> interface to the mail app. Earlier today, I attempted to select the contents 
> of a message while reading in inbox. I attempted the reverse pinch gesture, 
> however this was unsuccessful, even when the trackpad commander was turned 
> on. I attempted to find a text selection item in the rotor, however 
> apparently this is only an iOS thing? Or maybe I need to add it in the rotor 
> settings... I attempted many combinations of keys together with the shift 
> key, and could not manage to select anything... the only way I got any text 
> selected was by doing command+a to select all... and this was not what I 
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Re: getting AirPods to switch to different devices?

[Alex Hall]

I always thought it was supposed to be manual. Right now, I'm wearing an Apple 
Watch, have an iPhone in my pocket, and am typing on a MacBook with an old Mac 
mini behind it. Given that I'm in easy range of four authenticated devices, how 
would automatic pairing with AirPods work? They would have no way of knowing 
which device I wanted them to use. My impression has always been that the 
pairing is what syncs, so you never need to manually pair AirPods with any 
device connected to your iCloud account. Even the first pairing is just a tap, 
not a code and a special mode. Once you do that, all your other devices save 
the Pods as an option to use in the future, so you don't need to pair them with 
anything but the first device. Actively using them, though, has to be a manual 
process or the Pods wouldn't know what to do in many situations.

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> On Jun 9, 2017, at 06:16, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna,
>  
> No they don’t seem to do that, even when switching bck to the phone you have 
> to do the switch over manually,
>  The only ting I’ve noticed of automatic is the setup on the phone and the 
> pods showing up in Bluetooth of all devices.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Friday, 9 June 2017 3:25 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: getting AirPods to switch to different devices?
>  
> Hey Paul,
>  
> Pressing Connect in the bluetooth menu did get them to switch from my phone 
> to my Mac, but now they won't switch back to my phone unless I manually go in 
> and switch them.. If that's the way they're supposed to work, that's fine, 
> but I thought they could switch without the user having to manually go in and 
> tell them to.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> On Jun 8, 2017, at 10:15 AM, Paul Mimms  > wrote:
>  
> Try going into Bluetooth on the particular device, and you should see the 
> AirPods there and tap on it to pair.
> 
> 
>  
> Life is 10% what happens, and how you take it, and 90% what you do about it, 
> and what you make of it.
> Sent from my iPhone 7 Plus
> 
> On Jun 8, 2017, at 9:48 AM, Donna Goodin  > wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> My understanding was that the AirPods are supposed to automatically pair with 
> any device that is connected to iCloud, and automatically switch to the 
> device that you are using.  I have not been able to get them to play with 
> either my watch or my Mac.  How do I do this?
> TIA,
> Donna
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RE: AirPods not loud enough

[Simon Fogarty]

Try taking them out of your ears and reinserting them in a slightly different 
angle 
I've found that to change things in volume level,

 Also  try typing on the phone and see if there is any change such as clipping 
of sound volume 

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: Friday, 9 June 2017 4:38 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: AirPods not loud enough

No. Mine are plenty loud.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Jun 8, 2017, at 11:31 AM, Eric Brinkman  wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> Even with the volume as high as it will go, the sound on my AirPods just 
> isn't very loud. Every other headphone I try with the iPhone, including 
> EarPods that came with it, is much louder. Mac rumors has an article 
> suggesting you cycle Bluetooth off and on on your iPhone, but this did not 
> help. Has anyone else experienced this?
> 
> Eric
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RE: love, love, love the AirPods!

[Simon Fogarty]

Yes using a usb to lightening cable like for your iPhone the pods charge case 
has a socket at the bottom to plug it in and charge.

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On Behalf Of Krister Ekstrom
Sent: Friday, 9 June 2017 3:35 AM
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Subject: Re: love, love, love the AirPods!

This is intreaguing, you say that to charge the airpods you put them in their 
case, how do you then charge the case itself? I guess it has some kind of port 
thing. Could you charge the airpods and the case at the same time?
/Krister

> 8 juni 2017 kl. 16:24 skrev Donna Goodin :
> 
> I would say that would depend on how you want to use them.  I want to use 
> them for work outs, for walking, for using my phone at night while my 
> husband's asleep, stuff like that.  I think they're supposed to give you like 
> 5 hours?  For my purposes, that's plenty of time.  And remember, all you have 
> to do to charge them is put them back in the case.  So if you use them for a 
> while, then stop, they'll charge while you aren't using them.  But I like the 
> sound a lot, and find them very comfortable to wear.  Even my husband, who's 
> a cheap-skate and a skeptic, has decided after trying mine, that he's going 
> to go buy himself a pair.
> 
> Like I said, everyone's usage and preferences are different.  You might want 
> to do what my husband did, and find someone who will let you try theirs 
> first.  But I'm very happy with them.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 9:18 AM, Krister Ekstrom  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> What makes me a bit hesitant to buy a pair of airpods is the battery time 
>> which isn’t so impressing if one compares with a Plantronics headset, but if 
>> they are comfortable to wear and has good sound, maybe one should try them 
>> after all.
>> /Krister
>> 
>>> 8 juni 2017 kl. 16:13 skrev Donna Goodin :
>>> 
>>> So a local store had AirPods in stock, so I picked myself up a pair.  Gotta 
>>> say, they are great!  Love the sound, love the ease of use.  This is what I 
>>> am used to as the Apple experience.  Makes me all the more intrigued about 
>>> the HomePods.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
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RE: getting AirPods to switch to different devices?

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Donna,

No they don’t seem to do that, even when switching bck to the phone you have to 
do the switch over manually,
 The only ting I’ve noticed of automatic is the setup on the phone and the pods 
showing up in Bluetooth of all devices.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: Friday, 9 June 2017 3:25 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: getting AirPods to switch to different devices?

Hey Paul,

Pressing Connect in the bluetooth menu did get them to switch from my phone to 
my Mac, but now they won't switch back to my phone unless I manually go in and 
switch them.. If that's the way they're supposed to work, that's fine, but I 
thought they could switch without the user having to manually go in and tell 
them to.
Cheers,
Donna
On Jun 8, 2017, at 10:15 AM, Paul Mimms 
> wrote:

Try going into Bluetooth on the particular device, and you should see the 
AirPods there and tap on it to pair.


Life is 10% what happens, and how you take it, and 90% what you do about it, 
and what you make of it.
Sent from my iPhone 7 Plus

On Jun 8, 2017, at 9:48 AM, Donna Goodin 
> wrote:
Hi all,

My understanding was that the AirPods are supposed to automatically pair with 
any device that is connected to iCloud, and automatically switch to the device 
that you are using.  I have not been able to get them to play with either my 
watch or my Mac.  How do I do this?
TIA,
Donna

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RE: getting AirPods to switch to different devices?

[Simon Fogarty]

HI Donna,

 They will hso up as devices in Bluetooth on both your mac and watch,
 But to get them to pick up sound from your computer you will need to manually 
select them.
As for the watch, yeah good luck with that, I've never been able to get the 
pods to pick up my watch unless the phone is off or out of range 

I'll have to give it another try,
That is one of the issues I find with the pods is the switching between 
devices, it's not auto you have to switch manually  

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On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: Friday, 9 June 2017 2:49 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: getting AirPods to switch to different devices?

Hi all,

My understanding was that the AirPods are supposed to automatically pair with 
any device that is connected to iCloud, and automatically switch to the device 
that you are using.  I have not been able to get them to play with either my 
watch or my Mac.  How do I do this?
TIA,
Donna

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RE: love, love, love the AirPods!

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi yeah the sound quality / clarity is fantastic I can't fault that but I do 
have some issues with the controls and a couple of other things, but hey it's a 
first attempt so we'll see what happens.

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On Behalf Of Krister Ekstrom
Sent: Friday, 9 June 2017 2:19 AM
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Subject: Re: love, love, love the AirPods!

Hi,
What makes me a bit hesitant to buy a pair of airpods is the battery time which 
isn’t so impressing if one compares with a Plantronics headset, but if they are 
comfortable to wear and has good sound, maybe one should try them after all.
/Krister

> 8 juni 2017 kl. 16:13 skrev Donna Goodin :
> 
> So a local store had AirPods in stock, so I picked myself up a pair.  Gotta 
> say, they are great!  Love the sound, love the ease of use.  This is what I 
> am used to as the Apple experience.  Makes me all the more intrigued about 
> the HomePods.
> Cheers,
> Donna
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RE: sos tone from mac book

[Simon Fogarty]

Thanks for that,

Same thing google said but wasn’t sure of the how to recover from it.

If I call apple I will need a serial number from the machine if I’m not 
mistaken?

Great, I’ll have to find a set of eyes to do the reading for me.

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On Behalf Of Daniel Miller
Sent: Thursday, 8 June 2017 11:31 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: sos tone from mac book

Hi Simon. This means that your EFI ROM is corrupted, and the computer is in EFI 
rom recovery mode. Unfortunately, this mode is not accessible, and since your 
computer is not new enough, it does not recover on its own. You need a restore 
CD which you can obtain through Apple. I suggest contacting them.
Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 8, 2017, at 6:03 AM, Simon Fogarty 
> wrote:
Hi Listers,

I’ve got a mac book from approx. 2008 2009, it’s a 13” notebook and when I 
power it on it gives a tone like S.O.S but reversed three long tones three 
short and then three long again,

I’ve taken out the ram and replaced it including with incorrect ram which gives 
a 3 tone chime which keeps going on and on and twhen the ram was corrected it 
went back to the S.O.S tone,

There doesn’t appear to be any text on the screen

Does anyone have any idea what might be hpappening with this machine.

It has been powered off for approx. 12 months and last time it was used was to 
migrate data from it to a new mac book air.

I’d love to get this machine up and running again if anyone can give me info on 
what is possibly happening.

Cheers,


Simon F
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Re: Accessible Password Manager

[Nimer Jaber]

Hello,

If that was supposed to be 1password, I have not used it on the Mac, but on
Windows, I am unable to get it to fill in passwords... when I activate the
context menu, I get an option for 1password, and when pressing it, it tells
me that it can't connect with something or other, or it needs something...
I don't really remember what it says, and I do use windows at work, so
definitely would prefer if there was a multi-platform option... Lastpass
would be great, except that I can't seem to be able to access the last pass
extension to have it fill in passwords... not sure this made any sense, but
if you say that 1password is better on the Mac side, then I will play
around with it and see if I can fix the error on the Windows side.

Thanks.

On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 2:44 AM gary-melconian 
wrote:

> Have you use 1 pas manaer.
>
>
>
> *From:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Nimer Jaber
> *Sent:* Friday, June 9, 2017 12:35 AM
> *To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Accessible Password Manager
>
>
>
> Hello,
>
>
>
> I am looking for an accessible password manager. In the past, I have been
> a last pass user, however I cannot figure out how to fill passwords in with
> the Lastpass safari extension... I can get into the context menu and find
> last pass as an option, however attempting to activate it achieves no
> results. So, do you have a preferred password manager? I would use
> auto-fill in Safari, however I do not get the option to save some websites,
> and often times passwords are not filled... this especially happens with
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> OS,.
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>
> Thanks for any suggestions as to a workable password manager.
>
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RE: Accessible Password Manager

[gary-melconian]

Have you use 1 pas manaer.  

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Nimer Jaber
Sent: Friday, June 9, 2017 12:35 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Accessible Password Manager

 

Hello,

 

I am looking for an accessible password manager. In the past, I have been a 
last pass user, however I cannot figure out how to fill passwords in with the 
Lastpass safari extension... I can get into the context menu and find last pass 
as an option, however attempting to activate it achieves no results. So, do you 
have a preferred password manager? I would use auto-fill in Safari, however I 
do not get the option to save some websites, and often times passwords are not 
filled... this especially happens with the new login page that gmail is using, 
but I have been able to reproduce that on other sites as well. This happens 
with the latest release of Mac OS,.

 

Thanks for any suggestions as to a workable password manager.

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available to me.
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personal responsibility.

 

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Accessible Password Manager

[Nimer Jaber]

Hello,

I am looking for an accessible password manager. In the past, I have been a
last pass user, however I cannot figure out how to fill passwords in with
the Lastpass safari extension... I can get into the context menu and find
last pass as an option, however attempting to activate it achieves no
results. So, do you have a preferred password manager? I would use
auto-fill in Safari, however I do not get the option to save some websites,
and often times passwords are not filled... this especially happens with
the new login page that gmail is using, but I have been able to reproduce
that on other sites as well. This happens with the latest release of Mac
OS,.

Thanks for any suggestions as to a workable password manager.
-- 
Cordially,

Nimer Jaber

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available to me.
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Text selection in inbox.google.com

[Nimer Jaber]

Hello,

I am a new Mac user, full-time. I have used a Mac on and off, and have even
provided basic instruction in my capacity as a technology trainer, however
am now using the Mac full time. And... I already have a question, and any
help would be appreciated.

First, I use inbox.google.com for my e-mail, as I find the inbox sorting of
messages to be delightful, and I prefer the interface to the mail app.
Earlier today, I attempted to select the contents of a message while
reading in inbox. I attempted the reverse pinch gesture, however this was
unsuccessful, even when the trackpad commander was turned on. I attempted
to find a text selection item in the rotor, however apparently this is only
an iOS thing? Or maybe I need to add it in the rotor settings... I
attempted many combinations of keys together with the shift key, and could
not manage to select anything... the only way I got any text selected was
by doing command+a to select all... and this was not what I wanted. So, how
would one go about selecting a block of text in inbox or any web app? Is
this possible?

Thanks.
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Terminal and Time Machine

[Angus MacKinnon]

Is the Drafts Folder be used to Recover emails from the Drafts Folder in Apple 
Mail? If so, how can the  Terminal be used to recover all emails from June 8, 
2017 to June 4, 2017? Thank you. I am using OS 10.11.6.

Angus MacKinnon

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