RE: Apple apps: These were the most Popular Apple Apps of 2017

[Simon Fogarty]

Wonder how these match against nz app store.

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Subject: Apple apps: These were the most Popular Apple Apps of 2017

These were the most downloaded Apple apps of 2017 By Jefferson Graham, USA 
TODAY Updated 8:12 a.m. PST Dec. 8, 2017 

LOS ANGELES - Snap, Inc., the parent company of the Snapchat app, had a rough 
first year on Wall Street. Consumers couldn't have cared less. 
The Bitmoji app, owned by Snap, came in at No. 1 on Apple's annual list of the 
most downloaded free iTunes apps of the year, followed by Snapchat in second 
place. Last year, Snapchat was the top app of the year, and Bitmoji, which can 
be used to create avatars that slip into Snaps and e-mails, wasn't in the top 
10. 
As with years past, consumers mostly gravitated towards familiar favorites.
The rest of the top 10 include:
3. YouTube (up from No. 6 in 2016). Video viewing. 
4.Facebook Messenger (No. 2 last year). Chat.
5. Instagram (5th place, like in 2016). Photo sharing.
6. Facebook (No. 6 again). Social network.
7. Google Maps (No. 7 again). Navigation.
8. Netflix, (up from No. 9). Video viewing. 
9. Spotify (up from No. 10). Music streaming. 
10. Uber, which wasn't in the 10 last year.

The only new entry to the top 15 was Wish, a shopping app offering low-price 
goods from China, at No. 15.

Last year's new entry to the top 10, Pokemon Go, was a short-lived smash.
This year, it didn't make the top charts, in either the free apps - or the free 
games - which were led by Super Mario Run. 

Music streaming service Pandora left the top 10 to clock in at No. 12. 

Apple apps, like Apple Music and Pages, come pre-loaded on devices, and thus 
don't get ranked in Apple's year-end charts. 

In making its selections, Apple editors also identified several trends of
2017 worth noting. 

Augmented reality apps came to recent iPhones in the fall, with the 
introduction of IOS 11. Apple touted the IKEA Place app, from the retailer, 
which lets you visualize IKEA furniture in your home, via an animated image and 
the video editing app Filmr. 

The year saw more mental health, mindfulness and stress reduction apps than 
ever before, Apple said. Editors named Calm the app of the year. 
On the charts, for the second year in a row, NPR's Fresh Air was the most 
downloaded podcast, followed by the Joe Rogan Experience, Stuff You Should 
Know, The Dave Ramsey Show and The New York Times' The Daily in the top 5.
This American Life, The TED Radio Hour, Planet Money, Pod Saves America and TED 
Talks Daily rounded out the top 10. 

Throughout the year, Apple regularly refreshes its chart of the top apps on the 
iTunes Store and then ranks them on a year-end chart. It doesn't include sales 
statistics. 
While most downloads are for free apps, developers make money with either 
advertising, selling subscriptions (Netflix and Spotify) or selling add-ons, 
which is popular with gaming. According to market research firm AppAnnie, some 
$100 million will be spent on apps at both the iTunes and Google Play stores in 
2017.  

The choices for the top paid iPhone apps were less familiar. These were headed 
by Facetune, the $3.99 app that brings Photoshop-like retouching to the iPhone, 
followed by Tabs and Chords, which offers guitarists cheat sheets on how to 
play popular songs. Also on the list; HotSchedules, for listing work shifts; 
the Enlight photo app; and the 7-minute Workout Challenge, the premium version 
of the free app.

The top free iPad apps are topped by YouTube, followed by Netflix, Facebook, 
Messenger, Google Chrome, Amazon Prime Video, Gmail, YouTube Kids, Amazon and 
Spotify. 

Google unveiled its end-of-the-year charts earlier in the week but didn't offer 
rankings beyond saying that Super Mario Run was the most downloaded game of the 
year for Android devices. It also selected five choices for the "most popular" 
new apps of 2017. They include: 

Photo Editor, for jazzing up images. 
What the Forecast, a weather that promises to forecast "how nasty it is 
outside."
Boomerang: A subscription service for watching old Bugs Bunny and Co.
cartoons. 
Top Buzz Videos: A viral video app. 
Yarn. Chat fiction in the form of text messages. 

Follow USA TODAY's Jefferson Graham on Twitter, @jeffersongraham Originally 
Published 12:00 a.m. PST Dec. 7, 2017 Updated 8:12 a.m. PST Dec. 8, 2017

Original Article at:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/talkingtech/2017/12/07/most-downloaded-a
pple-apps-2017/928745001/


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RE: Media and VO volumes with AirPods?

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Alex,

On the apple watch now you get a media playing screen when things play on your 
phone and one  of the options on the screen is a volume which I normally just 
flick up / down but will try the digital crown next time

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Sent: Monday, 11 December 2017 1:23 PM
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Interesting idea, I'll try that. I don't understand why that works, but 
pressing volume buttons when VO is silent or the screen is locked still changes 
VO's volume.

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On Dec 10, 2017, at 10:27, Robert Carter 
> wrote:

Hi,

When audio is playing on the AirPods from the iPhone. You can open now playing 
on Apple Watch and use the Digital Crown on the watch to adjust the volume of 
the AirPods. By default, the watch will automatically switch to the now playing 
app when something is playing on the iPhone. This behavior can be changed in 
settings on the watch.

Robert Carter




On Dec 9, 2017, at 10:33 AM, Alex Hall 
> wrote:

I do have one. Can you explain more how that would work? Thanks.
Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 9, 2017, at 08:55, Robert Carter 
> wrote:
Hi,

If you have one, Apple Watch is a great way to control AirPod volume.

Robert Carter




On Dec 9, 2017, at 6:29 AM, Alex Hall 
> wrote:

Hi again all,
My other major concern with AirPodw is volume. My Aftershokz have onboard 
volume control, but now I have to use my phone. I've noticed that VO volume is 
adjusted with media volume, even if I change the volume while VO is silent. In 
other words, despite VO not speaking, turning down loud music turns down 
speech. I want to lower the music but keep VO the same. How might I do this? I 
always thought VO had to be speaking to be controlled by the volume buttons, 
but that's not the case at all. Thanks.

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RE: iTunes Versus CDs

[Simon Fogarty]

Angus,

 ET does point out a big issue and that is space,
 CD's do after a while start taking up storage space I've got my 200 sitting in 
a cabinet where as my MP3 collection sits both in the cloud and on a shared 
harddrive from one of my servers.



So really it's up to what works for you.

As Tim says, no reason that ripping cd's into mp3 will allow you to have access 
to everything via airplay 
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Hi,

With AirPlay and Bluetooth technologies nowadays, purchasing from iTunes allows 
you to share your music with whoever you wish in full stereo or surround sound. 
 All my music has either been ripped from CD, digitized from LP, or purchased 
from iTunes.  All songs are able to be played through my two audio receivers 
and one sound bar via AirPlay or through via Bluetooth to my Bose Mini 2.  The 
audio quality from a CD vs the high quality iTunes format is negligible unless 
you're using the digital outputs from the CD unit to the receiver.  Even then, 
unless you're an audio-file, I'm not certain that most people would notice the 
difference.

So, in my opinion, after that long-winded reply, I'd probably choose the iTunes 
version, but that's just my opinion.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Dec 10, 2017, at 14:18, Mary Otten  wrote:

The CD will have better Fidelity. It might cost more. You could always rip it 
into iTunes at the best Fidelity your storage Will allow, then you get the best 
of both.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 10, 2017, at 11:15 AM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> While I fully respect your question, it is a bit open ended.
> Do you mean technically? in terms of sitting in your living room with the 
> adorable stereo of your choice, verses wearing small headphones not sharing 
> the musical magic with anyone?
> Just one interpretation.
> Kare
> 
> 
> "No one is born hating another person because of the color of his skin 
> or his background or his religion ... People must learn to hate, and 
> if they can learn to hate, they can be taught to love... For love 
> comes more naturally to the human heart than its opposite." Nelson 
> Mandela.
> 
>> On Sun, 10 Dec 2017, Angus MacKinnon wrote:
>> 
>> I Have been thinking of buying some albums off iTunes. I got to wondering if 
>> their is an advantage of buying the CD. So, Is their any advantage of buying 
>> an album versus buying an album fromm iTunes? Thank you.
>> 
>> Angus MacKinnon
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RE: iTunes Versus CDs

[Simon Fogarty]

And I can play my apple music / itunes audio through my stereo from my phone or 
iPod or if I want to get away from the world through my earpods or bose 
Bluetooth headphones.

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Karen
Both the iMac and stereo have a CD player. I can plug headphones into both 
devices. Over the years I have taught myself a low level version of echo 
location.

Angus MacKinnon

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RE: iTunes Versus CDs

[Simon Fogarty]

Only in my book 
If the apple music or itunes services die then you have the CD available to 
play 
Of course if you have an optical drive to play them in.

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I Have been thinking of buying some albums off iTunes. I got to wondering if 
their is an advantage of buying the CD. So, Is their any advantage of buying an 
album versus buying an album fromm iTunes? Thank you.

Angus MacKinnon

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RE: Iphone 6 with Ios 11.2 bug

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Ramy,

 Have you tried resetting the OS on your phone to see if it's just an 
installation issue?

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Hi dear:

don't think that it is related to my device, because some people here even they 
have the Iphone 5s, they have the same issue.
so, I think it's something in some phones.
but don't know if it's voice over issue or not

Thanks anyway for your interest

On 12/10/17, M. Taylor  wrote:
> Hello Ramy,
>
> As far as I know, what you are experiencing is unique to your device.
>
> It may be helpful to conduct some test calls to determine what happens 
> immediately after a reboot of the phone, making certain to clear any 
> apps from the App-Switcher.
>
> It has been my experience that, regardless of what Apple purports, 
> certain apps can definitely impede call quality.
>
> Mark
>
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> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Iphone 6 with Ios 11.2 bug
>
> Hello all:
>
> I have my Iphone 6, after updated to ios 11, when answering a call, I 
> must wait 2 or 3 seconds to here the person's voice, he could not also 
> listen to my voice.
> is this a voice over bug or general one?
> is there a way to avoid this?
>
> Thanks
>
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Re: iTunes Versus CDs

[Karen Lewellen]

Tim is correct.
If you desire full uncompressed sound quality, cd and lp is the only way to 
go.   I will add speaking only for myself, I am enough of an audiophile to 
hear   the difference between  the two as well, with music important 
enough to me professionally  to keep my cds and keep buying vinyl.  The 
compressed lesser quality is part of why so much music is being put out on 
LP again the market too can hear the difference.
On line music services aim to  save  space.  that means stripping elements 
away to make  mp3 files.

Just my opinion too,
Kare



On Sun, 10 Dec 2017, Tim Kilburn wrote:


Hi Angus,

Realize that Amazon Music also compresses it's music files.  Amazon compresses 
music to an high quality mp3 format which according to some does not have as 
good of sound quality as the high quality AAC formatted songs that iTunes uses. 
 So, if you're wanting uncompressed sound quality, then the CD is your only 
option.  I believe that all the services, Google Play, Amazon Cloud Music and 
Apple Music/iTunes Match all digitally compress their music and will also 
digitally compress any music that you upload to their Cloud service.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Dec 10, 2017, at 16:41, Angus MacKinnon  wrote:

E.T.

Thank you. The compressed music a person gets from iTunes does not excite me. 
CDs as I understand, Give you the actual un compressed file. Is Amazon Music 
easy for a IOS (iPhone and/or iPad) easy to buy? I also have access to an 
Android user.

Angus MacKinnon

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Re: High Seria - everything in finder identified as a "group"

[Gerry Cook]

Hi ET Tim and Chris,  I have the issue when i updated to hi sierra,  and on 
chatting to apple accessibility, they said its a voiceover bug that identifies 
folders as groups in column view with voiceover,  they claim its just a 
terminology,  and they say it should be fix in future updates.  so when i 
changed to list view,  i don’t seem to get as much.  that’s all the information 
i was given.  all the best. 
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> On 11 Dec 2017, at 1:20 pm, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   I did not experience this either, but I had done a completely clean install.
> 
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> On 12/10/2017 5:27 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I'm not experiencing that issue.  I don't recall having the issue either 
>> when I first upgraded.  Not sure what's going on for you though.  Maybe a 
>> restart might fix it.
>> Later...
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> On Dec 10, 2017, at 18:24, Chris Moore  wrote:
>> Hello,
>> I just upgraded to HS and noticed something different in the finder.  
>> voiceOver identifies almost everything as a group rather than as a folder, 
>> application or other file type.  Is there a setting to change/correct this 
>> behavior?
>> Chris
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Apple apps: These were the most Popular Apple Apps of 2017

[M. Taylor]

These were the most downloaded Apple apps of 2017
By Jefferson Graham, USA TODAY Updated 8:12 a.m. PST Dec. 8, 2017 

LOS ANGELES - Snap, Inc., the parent company of the Snapchat app, had a
rough first year on Wall Street. Consumers couldn't have cared less. 
The Bitmoji app, owned by Snap, came in at No. 1 on Apple's annual list of
the most downloaded free iTunes apps of the year, followed by Snapchat in
second place. Last year, Snapchat was the top app of the year, and Bitmoji,
which can be used to create avatars that slip into Snaps and e-mails, wasn't
in the top 10. 
As with years past, consumers mostly gravitated towards familiar favorites.
The rest of the top 10 include:
3. YouTube (up from No. 6 in 2016). Video viewing. 
4.Facebook Messenger (No. 2 last year). Chat.
5. Instagram (5th place, like in 2016). Photo sharing.
6. Facebook (No. 6 again). Social network.
7. Google Maps (No. 7 again). Navigation.
8. Netflix, (up from No. 9). Video viewing. 
9. Spotify (up from No. 10). Music streaming. 
10. Uber, which wasn't in the 10 last year.

The only new entry to the top 15 was Wish, a shopping app offering low-price
goods from China, at No. 15.

Last year's new entry to the top 10, Pokemon Go, was a short-lived smash.
This year, it didn't make the top charts, in either the free apps - or the
free games - which were led by Super Mario Run. 

Music streaming service Pandora left the top 10 to clock in at No. 12. 

Apple apps, like Apple Music and Pages, come pre-loaded on devices, and thus
don't get ranked in Apple's year-end charts. 

In making its selections, Apple editors also identified several trends of
2017 worth noting. 

Augmented reality apps came to recent iPhones in the fall, with the
introduction of IOS 11. Apple touted the IKEA Place app, from the retailer,
which lets you visualize IKEA furniture in your home, via an animated image
and the video editing app Filmr. 

The year saw more mental health, mindfulness and stress reduction apps than
ever before, Apple said. Editors named Calm the app of the year. 
On the charts, for the second year in a row, NPR's Fresh Air was the most
downloaded podcast, followed by the Joe Rogan Experience, Stuff You Should
Know, The Dave Ramsey Show and The New York Times' The Daily in the top 5.
This American Life, The TED Radio Hour, Planet Money, Pod Saves America and
TED Talks Daily rounded out the top 10. 

Throughout the year, Apple regularly refreshes its chart of the top apps on
the iTunes Store and then ranks them on a year-end chart. It doesn't include
sales statistics. 
While most downloads are for free apps, developers make money with either
advertising, selling subscriptions (Netflix and Spotify) or selling add-ons,
which is popular with gaming. According to market research firm AppAnnie,
some $100 million will be spent on apps at both the iTunes and Google Play
stores in 2017.  

The choices for the top paid iPhone apps were less familiar. These were
headed by Facetune, the $3.99 app that brings Photoshop-like retouching to
the iPhone, followed by Tabs and Chords, which offers guitarists cheat
sheets on how to play popular songs. Also on the list; HotSchedules, for
listing work shifts; the Enlight photo app; and the 7-minute Workout
Challenge, the premium version of the free app.

The top free iPad apps are topped by YouTube, followed by Netflix, Facebook,
Messenger, Google Chrome, Amazon Prime Video, Gmail, YouTube Kids, Amazon
and Spotify. 

Google unveiled its end-of-the-year charts earlier in the week but didn't
offer rankings beyond saying that Super Mario Run was the most downloaded
game of the year for Android devices. It also selected five choices for the
"most popular" new apps of 2017. They include: 

Photo Editor, for jazzing up images. 
What the Forecast, a weather that promises to forecast "how nasty it is
outside."
Boomerang: A subscription service for watching old Bugs Bunny and Co.
cartoons. 
Top Buzz Videos: A viral video app. 
Yarn. Chat fiction in the form of text messages. 

Follow USA TODAY's Jefferson Graham on Twitter, @jeffersongraham
Originally Published 12:00 a.m. PST Dec. 7, 2017
Updated 8:12 a.m. PST Dec. 8, 2017

Original Article at:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/talkingtech/2017/12/07/most-downloaded-a
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Re: High Seria - everything in finder identified as a "group"

[E.T.]

   I did not experience this either, but I had done a completely clean 
install.


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On 12/10/2017 5:27 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

Hi,

I'm not experiencing that issue.  I don't recall having the issue either when I 
first upgraded.  Not sure what's going on for you though.  Maybe a restart 
might fix it.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Dec 10, 2017, at 18:24, Chris Moore  wrote:

Hello,
I just upgraded to HS and noticed something different in the finder.  voiceOver 
identifies almost everything as a group rather than as a folder, application or 
other file type.  Is there a setting to change/correct this behavior?

Chris



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Re: High Seria - everything in finder identified as a "group"

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

I'm not experiencing that issue.  I don't recall having the issue either when I 
first upgraded.  Not sure what's going on for you though.  Maybe a restart 
might fix it.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Dec 10, 2017, at 18:24, Chris Moore  wrote:

Hello,
I just upgraded to HS and noticed something different in the finder.  voiceOver 
identifies almost everything as a group rather than as a folder, application or 
other file type.  Is there a setting to change/correct this behavior?

Chris

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High Seria - everything in finder identified as a "group"

[Chris Moore]

Hello,
I just upgraded to HS and noticed something different in the finder.  voiceOver 
identifies almost everything as a group rather than as a folder, application or 
other file type.  Is there a setting to change/correct this behavior?

Chris

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RE: Iphone 6 with Ios 11.2 bug

[Jennifer Parry]

Hi apologies for being late on this thread. I am experiencing the same issue.
I have a 6+ and IOS 11.2

Regards
Jennifer Parry


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Subject: RE: Iphone 6 with Ios 11.2 bug

Hello Ramy,

As far as I know, what you are experiencing is unique to your device.  

It may be helpful to conduct some test calls to determine what happens 
immediately after a reboot of the phone, making certain to clear any apps from 
the App-Switcher.  

It has been my experience that, regardless of what Apple purports, certain apps 
can definitely impede call quality.

Mark

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On Behalf Of Ramy Moustafa
Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2017 1:39 AM
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Subject: Iphone 6 with Ios 11.2 bug

Hello all:

I have my Iphone 6, after updated to ios 11, when answering a call, I must wait 
2 or 3 seconds to here the person's voice, he could not also listen to my voice.
is this a voice over bug or general one?
is there a way to avoid this?

Thanks


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Re: iTunes Versus CDs

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi Angus,

Realize that Amazon Music also compresses it's music files.  Amazon compresses 
music to an high quality mp3 format which according to some does not have as 
good of sound quality as the high quality AAC formatted songs that iTunes uses. 
 So, if you're wanting uncompressed sound quality, then the CD is your only 
option.  I believe that all the services, Google Play, Amazon Cloud Music and 
Apple Music/iTunes Match all digitally compress their music and will also 
digitally compress any music that you upload to their Cloud service.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Dec 10, 2017, at 16:41, Angus MacKinnon  wrote:

E.T.

Thank you. The compressed music a person gets from iTunes does not excite me. 
CDs as I understand, Give you the actual un compressed file. Is Amazon Music 
easy for a IOS (iPhone and/or iPad) easy to buy? I also have access to an 
Android user.

Angus MacKinnon

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Re: iPhone X cases?

[Donna Goodin]

Yep, I'm on that. :)
Donna
> On Dec 10, 2017, at 4:59 PM, Kliphton Miller  wrote:
> 
> just make sure you get the tempered glass, as there is no screen protecter 
> build in.  I love the thinness of the phone, feels real nice in my hand.
>> On Dec 10, 2017, at 7:43 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Kliph, Simon, and Aleeha,
>> 
>> Thanks for the case suggestions.  I've used an OtterBox case  before, but 
>> like Kliph, I found it bulky.  I was looking at the LifeProof cases 
>> yesterday, but they're expensive, and now that phones are water-resistant, 
>> I'm not sure it's worth the money.  I'll take a look at the commuter series, 
>> though, to see if it's any less bulky, and the Apple leather case sounds 
>> intriguing.  Thanks, Kliph, for that, I didn't even know Apple made a 
>> leather case.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Dec 9, 2017, at 7:06 PM, Kliphton Miller  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I tried to use the folyo case, but it didn’t stay closed, so I went with 
>>> the apple leather case and temperd glass.  I usually go with the oterbox 
>>> serious, but this time I wanted my phone to be less bulky.
 On Dec 9, 2017, at 3:08 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 Have started looking at cases for my X.  Those of you who have this phone, 
 I'd love to hear what case you are using, and how well you like it.
 Cheers,
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Re: Media and VO volumes with AirPods?

[Alex Hall]

Interesting idea, I'll try that. I don't understand why that works, but 
pressing volume buttons when VO is silent or the screen is locked still changes 
VO's volume.

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> On Dec 10, 2017, at 10:27, Robert Carter  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> When audio is playing on the AirPods from the iPhone. You can open now 
> playing on Apple Watch and use the Digital Crown on the watch to adjust the 
> volume of the AirPods. By default, the watch will automatically switch to the 
> now playing app when something is playing on the iPhone. This behavior can be 
> changed in settings on the watch.
> 
> Robert Carter
> 
> 
> 
>> On Dec 9, 2017, at 10:33 AM, Alex Hall > > wrote:
>> 
>> I do have one. Can you explain more how that would work? Thanks.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Dec 9, 2017, at 08:55, Robert Carter > > wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> If you have one, Apple Watch is a great way to control AirPod volume.
>>> 
>>> Robert Carter
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Dec 9, 2017, at 6:29 AM, Alex Hall > wrote:
 
 Hi again all,
 My other major concern with AirPodw is volume. My Aftershokz have onboard 
 volume control, but now I have to use my phone. I've noticed that VO 
 volume is adjusted with media volume, even if I change the volume while VO 
 is silent. In other words, despite VO not speaking, turning down loud 
 music turns down speech. I want to lower the music but keep VO the same. 
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Re: iTunes Versus CDs

[E.T.]

Angus,
   I cannot comment on the iPhone experience regarding Amazon Music, 
for I did mine using Windows which pretty much predates my Mac experience.


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On 12/10/2017 3:41 PM, Angus MacKinnon wrote:

E.T.

Thank you. The compressed music a person gets from iTunes does not excite me. 
CDs as I understand, Give you the actual un compressed file. Is Amazon Music 
easy for a IOS (iPhone and/or iPad) easy to buy? I also have access to an 
Android user.

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Re: iTunes Versus CDs

[Angus MacKinnon]

E.T.

Thank you. The compressed music a person gets from iTunes does not excite me. 
CDs as I understand, Give you the actual un compressed file. Is Amazon Music 
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Re: iTunes Versus CDs

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

With AirPlay and Bluetooth technologies nowadays, purchasing from iTunes allows 
you to share your music with whoever you wish in full stereo or surround sound. 
 All my music has either been ripped from CD, digitized from LP, or purchased 
from iTunes.  All songs are able to be played through my two audio receivers 
and one sound bar via AirPlay or through via Bluetooth to my Bose Mini 2.  The 
audio quality from a CD vs the high quality iTunes format is negligible unless 
you're using the digital outputs from the CD unit to the receiver.  Even then, 
unless you're an audio-file, I'm not certain that most people would notice the 
difference.

So, in my opinion, after that long-winded reply, I'd probably choose the iTunes 
version, but that's just my opinion.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Dec 10, 2017, at 14:18, Mary Otten  wrote:

The CD will have better Fidelity. It might cost more. You could always rip it 
into iTunes at the best Fidelity your storage Will allow, then you get the best 
of both.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 10, 2017, at 11:15 AM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
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> While I fully respect your question, it is a bit open ended.
> Do you mean technically? in terms of sitting in your living room with the 
> adorable stereo of your choice, verses wearing small headphones not sharing 
> the musical magic with anyone?
> Just one interpretation.
> Kare
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> opposite." Nelson Mandela.
> 
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>> I Have been thinking of buying some albums off iTunes. I got to wondering if 
>> their is an advantage of buying the CD. So, Is their any advantage of buying 
>> an album versus buying an album fromm iTunes? Thank you.
>> 
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Re: iPhone X cases?

[Kliphton Miller]

just make sure you get the tempered glass, as there is no screen protecter 
build in.  I love the thinness of the phone, feels real nice in my hand.
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> Hi Kliph, Simon, and Aleeha,
> 
> Thanks for the case suggestions.  I've used an OtterBox case  before, but 
> like Kliph, I found it bulky.  I was looking at the LifeProof cases 
> yesterday, but they're expensive, and now that phones are water-resistant, 
> I'm not sure it's worth the money.  I'll take a look at the commuter series, 
> though, to see if it's any less bulky, and the Apple leather case sounds 
> intriguing.  Thanks, Kliph, for that, I didn't even know Apple made a leather 
> case.
> Cheers,
> Donna
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>> I tried to use the folyo case, but it didn’t stay closed, so I went with the 
>> apple leather case and temperd glass.  I usually go with the oterbox 
>> serious, but this time I wanted my phone to be less bulky.
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Re: iTunes Versus CDs

[Mary Otten]

The CD will have better Fidelity. It might cost more. You could always rip it 
into iTunes at the best Fidelity your storage Will allow, then you get the best 
of both.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 10, 2017, at 11:15 AM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
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>  While I fully respect your question, it is a bit open ended.
> Do you mean technically? in terms of sitting in your living room with the 
> adorable stereo of your choice, verses wearing small headphones not sharing 
> the musical magic with anyone?
> Just one interpretation.
> Kare
> 
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> skin or his background or his religion ... People must learn to
> hate, and if they can learn to hate, they can be taught to
> love... For love comes more naturally to the human heart than its
> opposite." Nelson Mandela.
> 
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>> I Have been thinking of buying some albums off iTunes. I got to wondering if 
>> their is an advantage of buying the CD. So, Is their any advantage of buying 
>> an album versus buying an album fromm iTunes? Thank you.
>> 
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Re: iTunes Versus CDs

[E.T.]

   CDs have a way of taking over one's space. When I realized just how 
many CDs I had, I started buying my music from Amazon for some time now. 
Its all in iTunes so is easily shared among my devices. Buying directly 
from iTunes should be no less convenient.


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On 12/10/2017 11:10 AM, Angus MacKinnon wrote:

I Have been thinking of buying some albums off iTunes. I got to wondering if 
their is an advantage of buying the CD. So, Is their any advantage of buying an 
album versus buying an album fromm iTunes? Thank you.

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Re: iTunes Versus CDs

[Angus MacKinnon]

Karen
Both the iMac and stereo have a CD player. I can plug headphones into both 
devices. Over the years I have taught myself a low level version of echo 
location.

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Re: iTunes Versus CDs

[Karen Lewellen]

  While I fully respect your question, it is a bit open ended.
Do you mean technically? in terms of sitting in your living room with the 
adorable stereo of your choice, verses wearing small headphones not 
sharing the musical magic with anyone?

Just one interpretation.
Kare


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hate, and if they can learn to hate, they can be taught to
love... For love comes more naturally to the human heart than its
opposite." Nelson Mandela.

On Sun, 10 Dec 2017, Angus MacKinnon wrote:


I Have been thinking of buying some albums off iTunes. I got to wondering if 
their is an advantage of buying the CD. So, Is their any advantage of buying an 
album versus buying an album fromm iTunes? Thank you.

Angus MacKinnon

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iTunes Versus CDs

[Angus MacKinnon]

I Have been thinking of buying some albums off iTunes. I got to wondering if 
their is an advantage of buying the CD. So, Is their any advantage of buying an 
album versus buying an album fromm iTunes? Thank you.

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Re: soft phones?

[Stacey Robinson]

Thanks.

Peace,
Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.

stacey...@bellsouth.net

> On Dec 10, 2017, at 8:35 AM, Ryan Mann  wrote:
> 
> A soft phone is actually software that allows you to make phone calls through 
> the internet.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Dec 9, 2017, at 8:31 PM, Stacey Robinson  wrote:
>> 
>> What are soft phones?
>> Peace,
>> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
>> 
>> stacey...@bellsouth.net
>> 
>>> On Dec 9, 2017, at 2:05 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Janina,
>>> 
>>> I've been thinking about starting to use a soft phone.  What service to you 
>>> use and what does it cost?
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
 On Dec 9, 2017, at 12:42 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 I'm personally partial to the gamer headsets from Sennheiser. These are
 headsets, meaning they include a microphone. I've used mine as a soft
 phone for years. You can find them via Amazon. There model numbers keep
 changing, as do the prices, so wait for a sale.
 
 Janina
 
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> Hi,
> 
> I just need to get a good USB headset and I will be all set.  If I can 
> get this working, I can get rid of windows 10 in a vm and use it 
> natively.  Anyone know whare I can get one?  Thanks.
> 
> Matthew
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Simon Fogarty
> Sent: Friday, December 8, 2017 8:45 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: podcast on installing windows with bootcamp accessibly
> 
> Hi Janina,
> 
> Yeah but if you’re a total like me
> You get the reboot and then it all goes dark and quiet, and you have to 
> ask for sighted assistances.
> 
> I so wish Microsoft would put a fully accessibile installation means in 
> to all windows systems.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]
> Sent: Saturday, 9 December 2017 2:42 PM
> To: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> Subject: Re: podcast on installing windows with bootcamp accessibly
> 
> No, not a bad config, just bad behavior because I didn't respond soon 
> enough! 
> 
> This time I baby sat the install, ready to enter my password at a 
> second's notice, and all went fine.
> 
> Sheesh.  I haven't had to work this hard on an install since, since, 
> since ... Well, I don't know since ...
> 
> Janina
> 
> 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries writes:
>> Yes, Simon. I think possibly a bad config somewhere.
>> 
>> I think I saw a message in one Google search that specified a list of 
>> possible culpirt files, but I haven't been able to reconstruct that 
>> search yet.
>> 
>> I ran both the scm and nvram procedures I found referenced. But it 
>> didn't seem to help. After copying all kinds of files onto the USB, 
>> boot camp got locked into a "boot camp busy" message for a good hour.
>> I decided that was some kind of loop so blasted out with Option 
>> Command Escape.
>> 
>> Back to the drawing board. I seriously want this to succeed. I need a 
>> hard look at the Linux support Windows 10 is now providing in its 
>> terminal environment.
>> 
>> Janina
>> 
>> Simon Fogarty writes:
>>> Hi Janina
>>> 
>>> Waw,
>>> I've never pulled the USB out during bootcamp so haven't struck that.
>>> 
>>> I will agree though that the process is bloody slow, I always put 
>>> that down to my internet connection Possibly you have a corrupt config 
>>> file somewhere that needs to be removed to allow that USB to be seen 
>>> again by bootcamp.
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]
>>> Sent: Saturday, 9 December 2017 5:23 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: podcast on installing windows with bootcamp accessibly
>>> 
>>> Hi, Simon:
>>> 
>>> I guess I'm just shocked at how slow and cumbersome the boot camp 
>>> process of writing to USB media is. Frankly, I wonder whether there's 
>>> just a log of old code there than hasn't been updated since the 
>>> Pleistocene.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> It's also very unforgiving. On my first try with boot camp I stupidly 
>>> pulled the USB without first ejecting, and boot camp hasn't forgotten 
>>> or forgiven me. DiskTool is happy with this stick, I've re formatted 
>>> and repartitioned it on Linux with no issues, but Boot Camp won't touch 
>>> it.
>>> But, it won't 

Re: Iphone 6 with Ios 11.2 bug

[Ramy Moustafa]

Yes 11.2
DOn't kno wwhat is wrong  here

On 12/10/17, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> Are you sure this is with 11.2? With 11.1 I had significant problems with
> gestures being ignored and siri taking more than 10 seconds to respond on my
> iPhone 6. I have noticed significant improvements with IOS 11.2, though
> sometimes the two finger double tap operation still takes a while to
> respond.
>
> I am debating if I should call accessibility or stop by the local Apple
> store to see if I can get another 10 months out of my phone.
>
>
>   Best wishes,
>
> Jonathan Cohn
>
>
>
>> On Dec 10, 2017, at 5:35 AM, Ramy Moustafa 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi dear:
>>
>> don't think that it is related to my device, because some people here
>> even they have the Iphone 5s, they have the same issue.
>> so, I think it's something in some phones.
>> but don't know if it's voice over issue or not
>>
>> Thanks anyway for your interest
>>
>> On 12/10/17, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>> Hello Ramy,
>>>
>>> As far as I know, what you are experiencing is unique to your device.
>>>
>>> It may be helpful to conduct some test calls to determine what happens
>>> immediately after a reboot of the phone, making certain to clear any
>>> apps
>>> from the App-Switcher.
>>>
>>> It has been my experience that, regardless of what Apple purports,
>>> certain
>>> apps can definitely impede call quality.
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ramy Moustafa
>>> Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2017 1:39 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Iphone 6 with Ios 11.2 bug
>>>
>>> Hello all:
>>>
>>> I have my Iphone 6, after updated to ios 11, when answering a call, I
>>> must
>>> wait 2 or 3 seconds to here the person's voice, he could not also listen
>>> to
>>> my voice.
>>> is this a voice over bug or general one?
>>> is there a way to avoid this?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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Re: Media and VO volumes with AirPods?

[Robert Carter]

Hi,

When audio is playing on the AirPods from the iPhone. You can open now playing 
on Apple Watch and use the Digital Crown on the watch to adjust the volume of 
the AirPods. By default, the watch will automatically switch to the now playing 
app when something is playing on the iPhone. This behavior can be changed in 
settings on the watch.

Robert Carter



> On Dec 9, 2017, at 10:33 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> I do have one. Can you explain more how that would work? Thanks.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Dec 9, 2017, at 08:55, Robert Carter  > wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> If you have one, Apple Watch is a great way to control AirPod volume.
>> 
>> Robert Carter
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 9, 2017, at 6:29 AM, Alex Hall >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi again all,
>>> My other major concern with AirPodw is volume. My Aftershokz have onboard 
>>> volume control, but now I have to use my phone. I've noticed that VO volume 
>>> is adjusted with media volume, even if I change the volume while VO is 
>>> silent. In other words, despite VO not speaking, turning down loud music 
>>> turns down speech. I want to lower the music but keep VO the same. How 
>>> might I do this? I always thought VO had to be speaking to be controlled by 
>>> the volume buttons, but that's not the case at all. Thanks.
>>> 
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: soft phones?

[Ryan Mann]

A soft phone is actually software that allows you to make phone calls through 
the internet.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 9, 2017, at 8:31 PM, Stacey Robinson  wrote:
> 
> What are soft phones?
> Peace,
> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
> 
> stacey...@bellsouth.net
> 
>> On Dec 9, 2017, at 2:05 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Janina,
>> 
>> I've been thinking about starting to use a soft phone.  What service to you 
>> use and what does it cost?
>> TIA,
>> Donna
>>> On Dec 9, 2017, at 12:42 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I'm personally partial to the gamer headsets from Sennheiser. These are
>>> headsets, meaning they include a microphone. I've used mine as a soft
>>> phone for years. You can find them via Amazon. There model numbers keep
>>> changing, as do the prices, so wait for a sale.
>>> 
>>> Janina
>>> 
>>> ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com writes:
 Hi,
 
 I just need to get a good USB headset and I will be all set.  If I can get 
 this working, I can get rid of windows 10 in a vm and use it natively.  
 Anyone know whare I can get one?  Thanks.
 
 Matthew
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Simon Fogarty
 Sent: Friday, December 8, 2017 8:45 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: podcast on installing windows with bootcamp accessibly
 
 Hi Janina,
 
 Yeah but if you’re a total like me
 You get the reboot and then it all goes dark and quiet, and you have to 
 ask for sighted assistances.
 
 I so wish Microsoft would put a fully accessibile installation means in to 
 all windows systems.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]
 Sent: Saturday, 9 December 2017 2:42 PM
 To: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
 Subject: Re: podcast on installing windows with bootcamp accessibly
 
 No, not a bad config, just bad behavior because I didn't respond soon 
 enough! 
 
 This time I baby sat the install, ready to enter my password at a second's 
 notice, and all went fine.
 
 Sheesh.  I haven't had to work this hard on an install since, since, since 
 ... Well, I don't know since ...
 
 Janina
 
 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries writes:
> Yes, Simon. I think possibly a bad config somewhere.
> 
> I think I saw a message in one Google search that specified a list of 
> possible culpirt files, but I haven't been able to reconstruct that 
> search yet.
> 
> I ran both the scm and nvram procedures I found referenced. But it 
> didn't seem to help. After copying all kinds of files onto the USB, 
> boot camp got locked into a "boot camp busy" message for a good hour.
> I decided that was some kind of loop so blasted out with Option 
> Command Escape.
> 
> Back to the drawing board. I seriously want this to succeed. I need a 
> hard look at the Linux support Windows 10 is now providing in its 
> terminal environment.
> 
> Janina
> 
> Simon Fogarty writes:
>> Hi Janina
>> 
>> Waw,
>> I've never pulled the USB out during bootcamp so haven't struck that.
>> 
>> I will agree though that the process is bloody slow, I always put 
>> that down to my internet connection Possibly you have a corrupt config 
>> file somewhere that needs to be removed to allow that USB to be seen 
>> again by bootcamp.
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]
>> Sent: Saturday, 9 December 2017 5:23 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: podcast on installing windows with bootcamp accessibly
>> 
>> Hi, Simon:
>> 
>> I guess I'm just shocked at how slow and cumbersome the boot camp 
>> process of writing to USB media is. Frankly, I wonder whether there's 
>> just a log of old code there than hasn't been updated since the 
>> Pleistocene.
>> 
>> 
>> It's also very unforgiving. On my first try with boot camp I stupidly 
>> pulled the USB without first ejecting, and boot camp hasn't forgotten or 
>> forgiven me. DiskTool is happy with this stick, I've re formatted and 
>> repartitioned it on Linux with no issues, but Boot Camp won't touch it.
>> But, it won't touch it after tyeing up the Airbook with an hour's worth 
>> of formatting, downloading, and copying of files.
>> 
>> I've googled on this and see I need to go play with scm and nvram.
>> Sheesh.
>> 
>> Janina
>> 
>> Simon Fogarty writes:
>>> HiJanina,
>>> 

Re: Iphone 6 with Ios 11.2 bug

[Jonathan Cohn]

Are you sure this is with 11.2? With 11.1 I had significant problems with 
gestures being ignored and siri taking more than 10 seconds to respond on my 
iPhone 6. I have noticed significant improvements with IOS 11.2, though 
sometimes the two finger double tap operation still takes a while to respond.

I am debating if I should call accessibility or stop by the local Apple store 
to see if I can get another 10 months out of my phone. 


Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Dec 10, 2017, at 5:35 AM, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> 
> Hi dear:
> 
> don't think that it is related to my device, because some people here
> even they have the Iphone 5s, they have the same issue.
> so, I think it's something in some phones.
> but don't know if it's voice over issue or not
> 
> Thanks anyway for your interest
> 
> On 12/10/17, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> Hello Ramy,
>> 
>> As far as I know, what you are experiencing is unique to your device.
>> 
>> It may be helpful to conduct some test calls to determine what happens
>> immediately after a reboot of the phone, making certain to clear any apps
>> from the App-Switcher.
>> 
>> It has been my experience that, regardless of what Apple purports, certain
>> apps can definitely impede call quality.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ramy Moustafa
>> Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2017 1:39 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Iphone 6 with Ios 11.2 bug
>> 
>> Hello all:
>> 
>> I have my Iphone 6, after updated to ios 11, when answering a call, I must
>> wait 2 or 3 seconds to here the person's voice, he could not also listen to
>> my voice.
>> is this a voice over bug or general one?
>> is there a way to avoid this?
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Ramy MoustafaSaber
>> Music instructor @:
>> Faculty ofmusical education
>> Music arranger and Sound engineer @:
>> Harmony Recording Studio
>> https://www.facebook.com/HarmonyRecordingStudio.eg
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Re: To Me, Braille is Beautiful in iOS 11.x

[Devin Prater]

Oh goodness, that is pretty bad. I’d just have the phone on in pocket, and 
press Space with G twice, then space with lower H twice, then type R on the 
Braille display, and there I’d be, in the book. This is with BARD Mobile.
Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor in Training
JAWS, Microsoft Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint certified by World 
Services for the Blind



> On Dec 9, 2017, at 8:42 PM, alia robinson  wrote:
> 
> It has not gotten better!it is truly awful. you have to change input as well 
> as output on your display, and if you touch the wrong things it changes 
> volume or page or forgets where you left off. I can make it work but it’s 
> hardly worth the trouble. in fact the book I’m reading now has the volumes 
> mislabeled. volume 1 is actually volume 2, as if navigation weren’t awful 
> enough. it’s just easier to read elsewhere.
> 
> On Dec 9, 2017, at 9:36 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Devin,
> 
> Do you use the BARD app for reading Braille?
> 
> The last time I tried using the BARD app with my Braille display, I couldn't 
> make heads or tails of it.  
> 
> The navigation was atrocious, to say the least.  I got so confused and 
> depressed, trying to figure it out, that I never tried it again, after that 
> first attempt.  
> 
> This was back in iOS 9.  
> 
> Has it gotten better?  
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Re: iPhone X cases?

[Donna Goodin]

Hi Kliph, Simon, and Aleeha,

Thanks for the case suggestions.  I've used an OtterBox case  before, but like 
Kliph, I found it bulky.  I was looking at the LifeProof cases yesterday, but 
they're expensive, and now that phones are water-resistant, I'm not sure it's 
worth the money.  I'll take a look at the commuter series, though, to see if 
it's any less bulky, and the Apple leather case sounds intriguing.  Thanks, 
Kliph, for that, I didn't even know Apple made a leather case.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Dec 9, 2017, at 7:06 PM, Kliphton Miller  wrote:
> 
> I tried to use the folyo case, but it didn’t stay closed, so I went with the 
> apple leather case and temperd glass.  I usually go with the oterbox serious, 
> but this time I wanted my phone to be less bulky.
>> On Dec 9, 2017, at 3:08 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Have started looking at cases for my X.  Those of you who have this phone, 
>> I'd love to hear what case you are using, and how well you like it.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
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Re: Iphone 6 with Ios 11.2 bug

[Ramy Moustafa]

Hi dear:

don't think that it is related to my device, because some people here
even they have the Iphone 5s, they have the same issue.
so, I think it's something in some phones.
but don't know if it's voice over issue or not

Thanks anyway for your interest

On 12/10/17, M. Taylor  wrote:
> Hello Ramy,
>
> As far as I know, what you are experiencing is unique to your device.
>
> It may be helpful to conduct some test calls to determine what happens
> immediately after a reboot of the phone, making certain to clear any apps
> from the App-Switcher.
>
> It has been my experience that, regardless of what Apple purports, certain
> apps can definitely impede call quality.
>
> Mark
>
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ramy Moustafa
> Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2017 1:39 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Iphone 6 with Ios 11.2 bug
>
> Hello all:
>
> I have my Iphone 6, after updated to ios 11, when answering a call, I must
> wait 2 or 3 seconds to here the person's voice, he could not also listen to
> my voice.
> is this a voice over bug or general one?
> is there a way to avoid this?
>
> Thanks
>
>
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