Re: General Screen search on iOS

[Barry Hadder]

Two finger triple tap brings up the item chooser.
I believe that is what you are looking for.

> On Jun 7, 2019, at 23:18, B G  wrote:
> 
> I've a feeling we may be at somewhat of a cross-purposes here gentlemen. 
> (smile)
> None of the choices available on the rotor will take you to the next
> telephone number - which would just be a sequence of digits and
> possibly a few hyphens interspersed among them -  on the page, but
> let's not worry about that too much.
> The idea, to recap, is a general screen search tool, in other words, a
> means of scanning the output pages for a string of unicode characters.
> You'd be able to conjure up search within any app, in any screen
> (hence the term general) and assuming the success of the search, shift
> focus on to your quarry in one single leap, as it were.
> 
> Again, do please feel free to ask if you're unclear about anything.
> Regards, Ben
> 
> 
> On 6/8/19, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> Do you know about the Rota and it's different features?
>> 
>> If you are in safari and need to work through things then the rota has
>> things such as viewed links, links
>> Headings  containers
>> Buttons,
>> And a truckload of others,
>> I'd say use those to find what your looking for.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On
>> Behalf Of B G
>> Sent: Saturday, 8 June 2019 12:55 PM
>> To: macvisionaries 
>> Subject: General Screen search on iOS
>> 
>> Unless the feature exists already -- and has therefore hitherto escaped my
>> notice -- a general screen  search tool on iOS would come in very handy.
>> Suppose you're in Safari and the information, e.g. a phone number, is many
>> lines or even screens down. Rather than traversing everything before you get
>> to it, you would perform a unique gesture, e.g. a two-finger rest i.e. tap
>> and hold in position, followed by a thumb swipe to pull up a search dialogue
>> box. You would enter your search text and press enter (or perform a
>> two-finger right swipe on the onscreen Braille keypad) and voila, focus is
>> positioned at the start of your search result! Of course, you could make the
>> feature as fancy and elaborate as you want but its very basic function
>> should be searching for the next occurrence of the search string, and
>> positioning focus at start of said string.
>> What does the list think? Any comments, criticisms, any flaws in the idea,
>> all welcome.
>> I'm hoping once we've hammered out something we could all agree on we will
>> then present it to Apple as a feature request.
>> Ben
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Re: General Screen search on iOS

[B G]

I've a feeling we may be at somewhat of a cross-purposes here gentlemen. (smile)
None of the choices available on the rotor will take you to the next
telephone number - which would just be a sequence of digits and
possibly a few hyphens interspersed among them -  on the page, but
let's not worry about that too much.
The idea, to recap, is a general screen search tool, in other words, a
means of scanning the output pages for a string of unicode characters.
You'd be able to conjure up search within any app, in any screen
(hence the term general) and assuming the success of the search, shift
focus on to your quarry in one single leap, as it were.

Again, do please feel free to ask if you're unclear about anything.
Regards, Ben


On 6/8/19, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> Do you know about the Rota and it's different features?
>
> If you are in safari and need to work through things then the rota has
> things such as viewed links, links
> Headings  containers
> Buttons,
> And a truckload of others,
> I'd say use those to find what your looking for.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On
> Behalf Of B G
> Sent: Saturday, 8 June 2019 12:55 PM
> To: macvisionaries 
> Subject: General Screen search on iOS
>
> Unless the feature exists already -- and has therefore hitherto escaped my
> notice -- a general screen  search tool on iOS would come in very handy.
> Suppose you're in Safari and the information, e.g. a phone number, is many
> lines or even screens down. Rather than traversing everything before you get
> to it, you would perform a unique gesture, e.g. a two-finger rest i.e. tap
> and hold in position, followed by a thumb swipe to pull up a search dialogue
> box. You would enter your search text and press enter (or perform a
> two-finger right swipe on the onscreen Braille keypad) and voila, focus is
> positioned at the start of your search result! Of course, you could make the
> feature as fancy and elaborate as you want but its very basic function
> should be searching for the next occurrence of the search string, and
> positioning focus at start of said string.
> What does the list think? Any comments, criticisms, any flaws in the idea,
> all welcome.
> I'm hoping once we've hammered out something we could all agree on we will
> then present it to Apple as a feature request.
> Ben
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RE: General Screen search on iOS

[Simon Fogarty]

Do you know about the Rota and it's different features?

If you are in safari and need to work through things then the rota has things 
such as viewed links, links 
Headings  containers 
Buttons, 
And a truckload of others,
I'd say use those to find what your looking for.

 

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of B G
Sent: Saturday, 8 June 2019 12:55 PM
To: macvisionaries 
Subject: General Screen search on iOS

Unless the feature exists already -- and has therefore hitherto escaped my 
notice -- a general screen  search tool on iOS would come in very handy.  
Suppose you're in Safari and the information, e.g. a phone number, is many 
lines or even screens down. Rather than traversing everything before you get to 
it, you would perform a unique gesture, e.g. a two-finger rest i.e. tap and 
hold in position, followed by a thumb swipe to pull up a search dialogue box. 
You would enter your search text and press enter (or perform a two-finger right 
swipe on the onscreen Braille keypad) and voila, focus is positioned at the 
start of your search result! Of course, you could make the feature as fancy and 
elaborate as you want but its very basic function should be searching for the 
next occurrence of the search string, and positioning focus at start of said 
string.
What does the list think? Any comments, criticisms, any flaws in the idea, all 
welcome.
I'm hoping once we've hammered out something we could all agree on we will then 
present it to Apple as a feature request.
Ben

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Re: General Screen search on iOS

[Arnold Schmidt]

Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. There is a find on page feature 
within the share tab. Tap share, and it is almost at the very end, I think you 
have to tap the second more button to get to it. If it doesn't give the text 
field to type in your search the first time, tap the done button, which will be 
where the tabs or pages button usually is, then tap share again, and swipe left 
to the find on page area. You can drag this find on page feature to a more 
convenient place in the share dialogue, I really need to do that. 

Arnold Schmidt 
 

Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone

On Jun 7, 2019, at 8:54 PM, B G  wrote:

Unless the feature exists already -- and has therefore hitherto
escaped my notice -- a general screen  search tool on iOS would come
in very handy.  Suppose you're in Safari and the information, e.g. a
phone number, is many lines or even screens down. Rather than
traversing everything before you get to it, you would perform a unique
gesture, e.g. a two-finger rest i.e. tap and hold in position,
followed by a thumb swipe to pull up a search dialogue box. You would
enter your search text and press enter (or perform a two-finger right
swipe on the onscreen Braille keypad) and voila, focus is positioned
at the start of your search result! Of course, you could make the
feature as fancy and elaborate as you want but its very basic function
should be searching for the next occurrence of the search string, and
positioning focus at start of said string.
What does the list think? Any comments, criticisms, any flaws in the
idea, all welcome.
I'm hoping once we've hammered out something we could all agree on we
will then present it to Apple as a feature request.
Ben

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RE: Encrypt.me vpn & accessibility good news

[Simon Fogarty]

Great work,

Wish I could get my employer to follow this kind of sensible forward thinking.


From: 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
Sent: Saturday, 8 June 2019 6:32 AM
To: 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Encrypt.me vpn & accessibility good news

Hi,

I’ve been using for some time encrypt.me VPN service.  It’s 
a paid service but I have found their application fairly simple in terms of 
accessibility.  They have just changed their top people - and since I’m on 
their mailing list - I got to know about it and received a hello message.  I 
took the opportunity to write to the responsible person, Terry Myers to make 
him aware that accessibility of his service and apps are very important to 
visually impaired users.  He responded very quickly with a very positive 
message and a commitment to work with his team towards making 
encrypt.me & the related apps on all platforms fully 
accessible.  I paste his responses to me below in inverted comas.

"You are the 2nd person to reach out to me about this. I'm going to make it my 
priority to ensure that we provide improved accessibility for all our users.

Thanks,

Terry”

"
I wanted to provide an update.

I spoke with our Head of Development yesterday. He's briefed the team this 
morning, and they're starting the process of exploring the accessibility 
features in each operating system.

We are well versed with iOS' voiceover protocol. Windows also has a wide 
featureset, which we need to explore. Android is something we need to do more 
research on.

We are also investigating the possibility of using a monochrome theme, for our 
visually impaired users. We are exploring the feasibility of this now.

Thanks,

Terry"




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RE: Apple Watch no longer tracks activity accurately

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Donna,

Yes I'm noticing a similar issue with my series 4 watch,

I walk to and from work every day and that is about 20 minutes there and 35 
minutes home due to it being up hill on the latter trip.
Yet I'm lucky if my watch is picking up the full walk to work in the mornings,

I sometimes get the prompt to start an outside walk, but that is not always

I've actually noticed this since having the series 4 watch I don't remember it 
happening with the series 2 
-Original Message-
From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Saturday, 8 June 2019 6:12 AM
To: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Apple Watch no longer tracks activity accurately

Hi all,

The subject line sums it up.  I have been noticing this for a while, so today 
decided to keep my own records to try and confirm the problem.  According to my 
watch--series 4--I have 7 active hours--I should have 8, and I have climbed 
three flights of stairs--I've actually climbed 7.  Obviously I can't comment on 
the calorie calculation, as I have no way to measure that, but it seems likely 
that if the other two rings are off, this one probably is too.  I believe this 
started with the most recent update, though I'm not 100% sure about that.  Just 
wanted to post here, because I know that others on this list also use the watch 
to track their activity.  I have reported this to Apple, and encourage anyone 
else who notices this to do the same.
Best,
Donna

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RE: Message Filters

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Janina,

 Edge is a nice browser though,
Infact the biggest problem I'm having with it is 
Is whether it's edge or chrome,
They are bloody hard to see the difference in.

-Original Message-
From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Saturday, 8 June 2019 2:14 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Message Filters

Yeah, but not really, because Edge and Chrome are now both using the same 
Google Blink rendering back end for their browsers.

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/microsoft-edge-google-chrome-chromium,38192.html


In a way this is good news. In another way it's scary, imo, because it 
threatens to squeeze everyone else out, i.e. domination and horizontal monopoly.

Best,

Janina

Simon Fogarty writes:
> And hey if you’re a sucker for craziness,
> 
> A company called Microsoft are meant to be releasing a new browser called 
> Edge to the MacOS plat form.
> Might be worth a look.
> 
> From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> 
> Sent: Friday, 7 June 2019 6:20 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Message Filters
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Oops, I forgot to answer the first question.  No, I don't think that it's any 
> better in Chrome.  You're welcome to give it a try though.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> 
> [cid:image001.jpg@01D51D79.95610730]
> 
> Jamf Certified Associate
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 6, 2019, at 12:18, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I have Chrome installed with ChromeVox as well.  Chrome works better in all 
> the Googly things, and better in some other things, but I just use it when 
> Safari is being uncooperative.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> 
> mailto:jamf-certified-associat
> e-bad...@2x.jpg>>
> 
> Jamf Certified Associate
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 6, 2019, at 12:02, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
>   Is it any better in Chrome? Is Chrome worth installing in general?
> 
> >From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were 
> true?
> 
> On 6/6/2019 7:39 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> Yeah, I don't find the iCloud web interface particularly friendly.   Usable, 
> yes, but not great from a screen reader user prospective.
> Later...
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Jamf Certified Associate
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> On Jun 5, 2019, at 13:01, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
> > wrote:
>   Ok. What I had trouble with was using the various menu buttons to add the 
> information and elements like. name or email address, then, choosing the 
> action which in m case would be, move to folder.
> >From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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> 
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> On 6/5/2019 11:44 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> Normally, filters created on your Mac only affect the Mac.  Filters created 
> in iCloud affect the iCloud Mail on all devices.  I'm not sure if Apple has 
> improved on that at this point.
> Later...
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> Jamf Certified Associate
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>  
> > wrote:
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RE: mac book pro 2017

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Janina,

 Yeah it is,
Considering it's lasted being hit by me and a 50 seater tour bus,
Dropped 
Stood on,
 Sat on multiple times.
Keyboard losing keys,
Food stuck in the usb ports, I love children,

 So yeah I got my moneys worth out of it,

 I do think that if I get a 2017 refurbished device that automatically  I lose 
2 years  off that devices life,
 So we'll put that in to the thought process over the weekend.

-Original Message-
From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Saturday, 8 June 2019 2:04 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: mac book pro 2017

Hi Again, Simon:

I think six years from a machine is actually pretty good.

My longest survivor ever was a 2008 Thinkpad X61s, which I just retired a 
couple months ago as it no longer powered up in any way. Not at all.

I've had several desktop/tower machines go 8 or 9 years. And, I've had laptops 
go almost as long.

But, here's the thing, if it's missing something you find fundamentally 
important, like a keyboard you like and a boot chime you actually depend on to 
function well, giving those up is unlikely to work out well, imo.

I'm currently torn. If there's really a Pro from 2017 with the old keyboard, 
USB3, and a boot chime, I would consider that even though 16 Gb is something I 
consider baseline.

I'm seeing the same problem in the Thinkpad X1 Carbon machines currently 
available new.

I know Jason likes his Thinkpad P1 which can be had with 32 Gb ram. It has a 
great keyboard, even compared to other Thinkpads, and it includes a numeric 
keypad. How cool is that?

But, then one is giving up OS X.

Always some kind of trade-off! 

Best,

Janina

Simon Fogarty writes:
> Hi Janina,
> 
> Yeah I'm currently split on what to purchase as a replacement machine.
> 
> The fully worked 2017 air would do the job,  And has the to me better 
> keyboard but then the 2018 pro 13" has more ram, faster processor and 
> USB-C,
> 
> However everything has down sides, the newer pro has the butterfly keyboard 
> which I'm not personally a fan of and will cost more for new adaptors but it 
> should survive 2 years longer in the life of simons products.
> 
> My 2013 air has now lasted 6 years,
> Can I get that from a pro.
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> 
> Sent: Thursday, 6 June 2019 11:39 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: mac book pro 2017
> 
> Hey, Simon. My wish for you is that someone returned these machines 
> because they'd heard there shouldn't be a boot chime any longer! 
> 
> 
> Janina
> 
> PS: I looked at the 2017 Air machines still available today. I'm 
> disappointed. It looks to me like the only advantage of leaving my 2014 Air 
> for a 2017 model is a measly 4Gb more RAM. That's ain't enough today, imo.
> 
> I'm back to looking at the small Thinkpad X1 Carbon machines for laptops. I 
> realize that would leave me out of the Apple eco system. I am finding the new 
> minis very attractive, so perhaps I'm thinking transitionally.
> 
> You all have gotten under my skin enough so that I don't really want to leave 
> Apple out of my life. Heck, Safari has become my favorite gui browser in 
> recent months. Go figure.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Janina
> 
> Simon Fogarty writes:
> >   Hi List,
> > 
> > Just wondering if anyone on the list has a 2017 13.3" Mac book pro with 
> > 2.3GHz I5 prodessor?
> > 
> > I'm just looking at one of these model machines from the apple refurbished 
> > devices and wondered why such a nice sounding machine would have been 
> > returned to apple?
> > I just wondered if this might be a problematic model as there are 3 of them 
> > showing in the NZ apple website refurbished list.
> > 
> > Cheers for any information.
> > 
> > 
> > Simon f
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RE: mac book pro 2017

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Janina,

 The 2017 I7 2.5GHz 16GB ram & 512GB ssd pro has 2 USB-C ports for charging and 
connectivity  to go with a crazy new Zealand price of $3179.00
That's a refurbished price, 
Brand new RRP is approx. 600 more.

But it would be my first choice 

I'm thinking over the weekend on what device to purchase.

-Original Message-
From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Saturday, 8 June 2019 1:54 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: mac book pro 2017

Simon:

That 2017 Pro with an I7 and 16 Gb RAM sounds a lot better. It should have a 
pretty compelling price, because I should think that's pretty baseline specs 
for 64bit Windows 10 under Bootcamp--especially if you also want to run the 
Windows in some kind of vm.

For me it would also need USB 3 ports, at least one, as I've got Linux booting 
off a tiny 256 Gb USB 3 stick that sticks out less far than the charging 
connector on my Air.

Depending on the price and the weight, I will consider that one myself, because 
I'm looking to upgrade and get a few more years out of chiming boots.

I do think asking for "a long time" may be asking a bit much from this 
specification, though.It really does strike me as baseline today.

Best,

Janina

Simon Fogarty writes:
> Hi Tim,
> 
> I’ve gotta couple of options,
> 
> The air would be a custom build to fully spec’ed out and yes still has USB-A 
> and thunderbolt 2.
> 
> But only 8GB ram,
> 
> I’m also looking at a 2017 I7 2.5GHz pro with 16gb ram and 512 GB ssd, 
> I’m not going to touch bar as that causes trouble with windows in bootcamp.
> 
> Which ever I end up doing it’s a long term thing so it will have to be 
> considered carefully.
> 
> 
> From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> 
> Sent: Friday, 7 June 2019 2:35 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: mac book pro 2017
> 
> Hi Simon,
> 
> Janina may be right :).  No, it doesn't have a boot chime.  I have a similar 
> model, but the 3.1 I5 processor and 16 GB of RAM.  It's the one with the 
> Touch Bar and 4 USB C ports.  I haven't had any problems with my model 
> although, like you, many don't like the feel of the butterfly keys, and some 
> are stuck on USB A ports, of which the MBP's have none.  Battery life is 
> good, but not excellent.  It's nice and light and handles processing big jobs 
> well.  If the price is right, I'd go for it.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> 
> [cid:image001.jpg@01D51D78.1FAE3810]
> 
> Jamf Certified Associate
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 6, 2019, at 05:38, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hey, Simon. My wish for you is that someone returned these machines 
> because they'd heard there shouldn't be a boot chime any longer! 
> 
> 
> Janina
> 
> PS: I looked at the 2017 Air machines still available today. I'm 
> disappointed. It looks to me like the only advantage of leaving my 
> 2014 Air for a 2017 model is a measly 4Gb more RAM. That's ain't 
> enough today, imo.
> 
> I'm back to looking at the small Thinkpad X1 Carbon machines for 
> laptops. I realize that would leave me out of the Apple eco system. I 
> am finding the new minis very attractive, so perhaps I'm thinking 
> transitionally.
> 
> You all have gotten under my skin enough so that I don't really want 
> to leave Apple out of my life. Heck, Safari has become my favorite gui 
> browser in recent months. Go figure.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Janina
> 
> Simon Fogarty writes:
> 
>  Hi List,
> 
> Just wondering if anyone on the list has a 2017 13.3" Mac book pro with 
> 2.3GHz I5 prodessor?
> 
> I'm just looking at one of these model machines from the apple refurbished 
> devices and wondered why such a nice sounding machine would have been 
> returned to apple?
> I just wondered if this might be a problematic model as there are 3 of them 
> showing in the NZ apple website refurbished list.
> 
> Cheers for any information.
> 
> 
> Simon f
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Re: Adjusting Individual Audio Sources on the Mac

[kelly ford]

Hi Robert,

 

Is it possible this program was renamed?  So far the only program by the 
company you mentioned I’m finding is called Fission.  It appears to be an audio 
editor/converter.

 

Kelly

 

From:  on behalf of Robert Carter 

Reply-To: 
Date: Friday, June 7, 2019 at 7:37 AM
To: 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: Adjusting Individual Audio Sources on the Mac

 

Hi Kelly,

 

There is an app from Rogue Amoeba called SoundSource that will almost certainly 
do what you want.

 

This is an application that lives in the extras menu. At the moment, there is a 
VoiceOver bug that keeps the VoiceOver option+control+space command from 
opening the SoundSource window. So, you have to click the trackpad to open the 
program from the extras menu. I have reported this and it will be fixed in an 
update.

 

Robert Carter

 

 



On Jun 6, 2019, at 8:51 PM, kelly ford  wrote:

 

Hi,

 

Is there any way to adjust the audio level for individual applications on the 
Mac?  I don’t mean audio ducking but rather setting the sound level for each 
program that’s producing audio.

 

I’m looking for something equivalent to opening the volume control on Windows 
where you can make individual adjustments.  I don’t know if something similar 
exists on the Mac?

 

Kelly

 

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Re: Math Content and VoiceOver with Safari

[kelly ford]

Thank you Jason,

 

This was my experience and I just wanted to see if there was something I was 
missing here.  It doesn’t sound like it.

 

Kelly

 

 

From: 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
Reply-To: 
Date: Friday, June 7, 2019 at 12:28 PM
To: 
Subject: RE: Math Content and VoiceOver with Safari

 

So far as I’m aware, Nemeth Code is supported under iOS, but not Mac OS. On the 
Mac, you’ll get a braille representation of the text as it would be spoken.

 

Whether Apple’s recently announced enhancements to braille support will change 
this (immediately or subsequently) is not publicly known. I would recommend 
taking this up with Apple Accessibility. If they don’t receive comments on it, 
it’s less likely to be given significant priority.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of KellyFord
Sent: Friday, June 7, 2019 11:29 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Math Content and VoiceOver with Safari

 

Hi,

 

Does anyone know the current story with MathML content and VoiceOver with 
Safari?  For example is there any way to have the braille of this show up as 
Nemeth code?

 

Kelly

Thank you,

 

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General Screen search on iOS

[B G]

Unless the feature exists already -- and has therefore hitherto
escaped my notice -- a general screen  search tool on iOS would come
in very handy.  Suppose you're in Safari and the information, e.g. a
phone number, is many lines or even screens down. Rather than
traversing everything before you get to it, you would perform a unique
gesture, e.g. a two-finger rest i.e. tap and hold in position,
followed by a thumb swipe to pull up a search dialogue box. You would
enter your search text and press enter (or perform a two-finger right
swipe on the onscreen Braille keypad) and voila, focus is positioned
at the start of your search result! Of course, you could make the
feature as fancy and elaborate as you want but its very basic function
should be searching for the next occurrence of the search string, and
positioning focus at start of said string.
What does the list think? Any comments, criticisms, any flaws in the
idea, all welcome.
I'm hoping once we've hammered out something we could all agree on we
will then present it to Apple as a feature request.
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Shortcut to Navigation Bar in iTunes

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   Ia that the correct term, Navigation Bar? What is the shortcut for 
that? Thanks.


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Re: Apple Watch no longer tracks activity accurately

[Jessica Moss]

I notice that a lot with the health app, but don’t own a watch, so can’t speak 
for that.  It seems to want to track flights of stairs climbed on my end at 
random times, and sometimes not at all, which I find strange, considering the 
fact that I climb steps off and on all day, sense we have them on both porches, 
and I obviously use them every day, sometimes about 5 times a day or more, 
depending on what I’m doing throughout the day.

> On Jun 7, 2019, at 2:12 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi all,
> 
> The subject line sums it up.  I have been noticing this for a while, so today 
> decided to keep my own records to try and confirm the problem.  According to 
> my watch--series 4--I have 7 active hours--I should have 8, and I have 
> climbed three flights of stairs--I've actually climbed 7.  Obviously I can't 
> comment on the calorie calculation, as I have no way to measure that, but it 
> seems likely that if the other two rings are off, this one probably is too.  
> I believe this started with the most recent update, though I'm not 100% sure 
> about that.  Just wanted to post here, because I know that others on this 
> list also use the watch to track their activity.  I have reported this to 
> Apple, and encourage anyone else who notices this to do the same.
> Best,
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restart

[Lorie McCloud]

I have my Mac Mini set to start again right away if it shuts down because the 
electricity goes off. I'd like to change this setting but I can't find it. can 
anybody tell me where it is?

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Re: Encrypt.me vpn & accessibility good news

[CHUCK REICHEL]

Hi Andrew,

Did you get them this Apple link?
https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/documentation/Accessibility/Conceptual/AccessibilityMacOSX/
Its very helpful and takes the guess work out of VoiceOver Accessibility. :)
HTH
Chuck

On Jun 7, 2019, at 2:31 PM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I’ve been using for some time encrypt.me VPN service.  It’s a paid service 
> but I have found their application fairly simple in terms of accessibility.  
> They have just changed their top people - and since I’m on their mailing list 
> - I got to know about it and received a hello message.  I took the 
> opportunity to write to the responsible person, Terry Myers to make him aware 
> that accessibility of his service and apps are very important to visually 
> impaired users.  He responded very quickly with a very positive message and a 
> commitment to work with his team towards making encrypt.me & the related apps 
> on all platforms fully accessible.  I paste his responses to me below in 
> inverted comas.
> 
> "You are the 2nd person to reach out to me about this. I'm going to make it 
> my priority to ensure that we provide improved accessibility for all our 
> users.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Terry”
> 
> "
> I wanted to provide an update.
> 
> I spoke with our Head of Development yesterday. He's briefed the team this 
> morning, and they're starting the process of exploring the accessibility 
> features in each operating system.
> 
> We are well versed with iOS' voiceover protocol. Windows also has a wide 
> featureset, which we need to explore. Android is something we need to do more 
> research on.
> 
> We are also investigating the possibility of using a monochrome theme, for 
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> 
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> 
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Re: Not Bourne Again

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Thanks, Barry.

This is certainly a heads up yours truly seriously appreciates. I've yet
to get comfortable with the Zulu shell. I guess this is my wake up call.

Best,

Janina

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Encrypt.me vpn & accessibility good news

['Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

I’ve been using for some time encrypt.me  VPN service.  
It’s a paid service but I have found their application fairly simple in terms 
of accessibility.  They have just changed their top people - and since I’m on 
their mailing list - I got to know about it and received a hello message.  I 
took the opportunity to write to the responsible person, Terry Myers to make 
him aware that accessibility of his service and apps are very important to 
visually impaired users.  He responded very quickly with a very positive 
message and a commitment to work with his team towards making encrypt.me 
 & the related apps on all platforms fully accessible.  I 
paste his responses to me below in inverted comas.

"You are the 2nd person to reach out to me about this. I'm going to make it my 
priority to ensure that we provide improved accessibility for all our users.

Thanks,

Terry”

"
I wanted to provide an update.

I spoke with our Head of Development yesterday. He's briefed the team this 
morning, and they're starting the process of exploring the accessibility 
features in each operating system.

We are well versed with iOS' voiceover protocol. Windows also has a wide 
featureset, which we need to explore. Android is something we need to do more 
research on.

We are also investigating the possibility of using a monochrome theme, for our 
visually impaired users. We are exploring the feasibility of this now.

Thanks,

Terry"






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Apple Watch no longer tracks activity accurately

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi all,

The subject line sums it up.  I have been noticing this for a while, so today 
decided to keep my own records to try and confirm the problem.  According to my 
watch--series 4--I have 7 active hours--I should have 8, and I have climbed 
three flights of stairs--I've actually climbed 7.  Obviously I can't comment on 
the calorie calculation, as I have no way to measure that, but it seems likely 
that if the other two rings are off, this one probably is too.  I believe this 
started with the most recent update, though I'm not 100% sure about that.  Just 
wanted to post here, because I know that others on this list also use the watch 
to track their activity.  I have reported this to Apple, and encourage anyone 
else who notices this to do the same.
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Re: Math Content and VoiceOver with Safari

[Barry Hadder]

Here is a page with examples you can experiment with;
https://www.mathjax.org/index.html#samples


> On Jun 7, 2019, at 10:29, KellyFord  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
>  
> Does anyone know the current story with MathML content and VoiceOver with 
> Safari?  For example is there any way to have the braille of this show up as 
> Nemeth code?
>  
> Kelly
> Thank you,
>  
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Not Bourne Again

[Barry Hadder]

Hello all:

For anyone this may concern, The default shell starting in Catalina will no 
longer be bash.  It will be the zsh shell.  It appears that Apple will be 
phasing bash out all together at some point.  So, I suppose now would be a good 
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RE: Math Content and VoiceOver with Safari

['Jason White' via MacVisionaries]

So far as I’m aware, Nemeth Code is supported under iOS, but not Mac OS. On the 
Mac, you’ll get a braille representation of the text as it would be spoken.

 

Whether Apple’s recently announced enhancements to braille support will change 
this (immediately or subsequently) is not publicly known. I would recommend 
taking this up with Apple Accessibility. If they don’t receive comments on it, 
it’s less likely to be given significant priority.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of KellyFord
Sent: Friday, June 7, 2019 11:29 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Math Content and VoiceOver with Safari

 

Hi,

 

Does anyone know the current story with MathML content and VoiceOver with 
Safari?  For example is there any way to have the braille of this show up as 
Nemeth code?

 

Kelly

Thank you,

 

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Re: How do I convert an mp4 file

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

OK, I can confirm that ffmpeg is installable with homebrew, and that it
will convert.

Here's the quick overview:

1.) Install homebrew. There are several web pages that can guide on
this task. Here's just one:

https://brew.sh/


2.) Use it to install ffmpeg at the terminal:

brew install ffmpeg

3.) Use a command to extract your audio into a format you can use in
Amadeus. Here's an example that I keep in an executable script under
/usr/local/bin that provides me a 24-bit wav file. It could just as
easily be 16-bit.


#!/bin/bash
#Use ffmpeg to extract 24bit to audio.wav
#One argument is input file
ffmpeg -i "$1" -acodec pcm_s24le -ac 2 audio.wav



The above should leave an audio.wav file in your current working
directory. Rename or further transform as needed.

If you want 16 bit instead of 24, just change that value in the
operational line above.

Good luck!

Janina

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> 
> These days I'm using ffmpeg to convert among formats when I need to do
> that, but I do that on the Linux command line. I would expect I could
> install the ffmpeg tool using Home Brew on my Mac, though, which would
> make conversion in the terminal quite straight forward.
> 
> Let me know if you want to know more about that.
> 
> Best,
> 
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> 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries writes:
> > I need to take a file created from Skype, which is an .mp4 file and convert 
> > it so that it will play on my Mac or IOS device. Does anyone know what app 
> > is best for doing this? I have opened the .mp4 files in Amadeus pro, but 
> > they don’t always work properly. Sometimes it does not get the whole file.
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Math Content and VoiceOver with Safari

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Hi,

 

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Safari?  For example is there any way to have the braille of this show up as
Nemeth code?

 

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Re: handbrake

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Handbrake isn't for editing. It's for video file conversions.

Lorie McCloud writes:
> what is handbrake? I'm looking for something (hopefully free or very 
> inexpensive) that I can use to edit mp3 files, take parts out of them etc.
> 
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Re: How do I convert an mp4 file

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Handbrake is about keeping the video. In rereading her post, the problem
is not the Mac, but Amadeus.

I'm now thinking she really does need something Amadeus will by happier
using. So, that means ffmpeg and a file conversion on the Terminal, imo.

I'm going to see if I can get home brew to install ffmpeg. I'll report.

Janina

'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries writes:
> Hi,
> 
> Well, if they're mp4, then they should actually open.  Not sure why you're 
> having issues with specific mp4 files.  In either case, you could use 
> HandBrake to convert them to other formats.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> 
> 
> 
> Jamf Certified Associate
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 6, 2019, at 12:45, 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> These are files I must use for podcasts. I have to make sure they will be 
> able to be opened in Amadeus Pro and will function fully. Sometimes, Amadeus 
> will open them, but not see all of them. I know about Quicktime, but it does 
> nothing for my needs.
> 
> Kristeen
> On Jun 6, 2019, at 12:28 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
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> Hi,
> 
> Your Mac should open mp4's just fine.  QuickTime, which is stock on your Mac 
> will natively open mp4 files.
> 
> Later...
> 
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> On Jun 6, 2019, at 10:26, 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries 
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> I need to take a file created from Skype, which is an .mp4 file and convert 
> it so that it will play on my Mac or IOS device. Does anyone know what app is 
> best for doing this? I have opened the .mp4 files in Amadeus pro, but they 
> don’t always work properly. Sometimes it does not get the whole file.
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> Thanks for any help you might have.
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Re: How do I convert an mp4 file

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

VLC will play those files, as will mplayer for osx.

These days I'm using ffmpeg to convert among formats when I need to do
that, but I do that on the Linux command line. I would expect I could
install the ffmpeg tool using Home Brew on my Mac, though, which would
make conversion in the terminal quite straight forward.

Let me know if you want to know more about that.

Best,

Janina

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> I need to take a file created from Skype, which is an .mp4 file and convert 
> it so that it will play on my Mac or IOS device. Does anyone know what app is 
> best for doing this? I have opened the .mp4 files in Amadeus pro, but they 
> don’t always work properly. Sometimes it does not get the whole file.
> 
> Thanks for any help you might have.
> 
> Kristeen
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Re: Message Filters

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Yeah, but not really, because Edge and Chrome are now both using the
same Google Blink rendering back end for their browsers.

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/microsoft-edge-google-chrome-chromium,38192.html


In a way this is good news. In another way it's scary, imo, because it
threatens to squeeze everyone else out, i.e. domination and horizontal
monopoly.

Best,

Janina

Simon Fogarty writes:
> And hey if you’re a sucker for craziness,
> 
> A company called Microsoft are meant to be releasing a new browser called 
> Edge to the MacOS plat form.
> Might be worth a look.
> 
> From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> Sent: Friday, 7 June 2019 6:20 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Message Filters
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Oops, I forgot to answer the first question.  No, I don't think that it's any 
> better in Chrome.  You're welcome to give it a try though.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
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> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> 
> [cid:image001.jpg@01D51D79.95610730]
> 
> Jamf Certified Associate
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> 
> On Jun 6, 2019, at 12:18, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I have Chrome installed with ChromeVox as well.  Chrome works better in all 
> the Googly things, and better in some other things, but I just use it when 
> Safari is being uncooperative.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> 
> mailto:jamf-certified-associate-bad...@2x.jpg>>
> 
> Jamf Certified Associate
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> 
> On Jun 6, 2019, at 12:02, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
>   Is it any better in Chrome? Is Chrome worth installing in general?
> 
> >From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
> On 6/6/2019 7:39 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> Yeah, I don't find the iCloud web interface particularly friendly.   Usable, 
> yes, but not great from a screen reader user prospective.
> Later...
> Tim Kilburn
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> Jamf Certified Associate
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> On Jun 5, 2019, at 13:01, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
> > wrote:
>   Ok. What I had trouble with was using the various menu buttons to add the 
> information and elements like. name or email address, then, choosing the 
> action which in m case would be, move to folder.
> >From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
> 
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> On 6/5/2019 11:44 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> Normally, filters created on your Mac only affect the Mac.  Filters created 
> in iCloud affect the iCloud Mail on all devices.  I'm not sure if Apple has 
> improved on that at this point.
> Later...
> Tim Kilburn
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> Jamf Certified Associate
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> On Jun 5, 2019, at 11:54, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
>  
> > wrote:
>   Is there an advantage to setting u message filters on the iCloud web site? 
> I did one this morning and thought it much more difficult than doing it in 
> the mail preferences on the Mac.
> >From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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Re: Message Filters

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

I'd definitely install the Chrome browser everywhere. Increasingly, it's
my go to browser in the gui.

For professional reasons I have many browsers under four different
operating environments. I will sometimes look at a particular
site on multiple browsers. It's really amazing how different a single
page can appear in different browsers.

Sometimes things will work in one OS and browser combination, but not
elsewhere. I have that problem with my SIP gateway service for my phones
which seem to take payments only from Chrome, and not Chrome on Android,
only Chrome on OS X or Windows.

Best,

Janina

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>Is it any better in Chrome? Is Chrome worth installing in general?
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
> On 6/6/2019 7:39 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > Yeah, I don't find the iCloud web interface particularly friendly.
> >  Usable, yes, but not great from a screen reader user prospective.
> > 
> > Later...
> > 
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> > Apple Teacher
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> > 
> > 
> > Jamf Certified Associate
> > Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> > 
> > On Jun 5, 2019, at 13:01, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries
> >  > > wrote:
> > 
> >    Ok. What I had trouble with was using the various menu buttons to add
> > the information and elements like. name or email address, then, choosing
> > the action which in m case would be, move to folder.
> > 
> >  From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> > ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
> > Many believe that we have been visited
> > in the past. What if it were true?
> > 
> > On 6/5/2019 11:44 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > > Normally, filters created on your Mac only affect the Mac.  Filters
> > > created in iCloud affect the iCloud Mail on all devices.  I'm not
> > > sure if Apple has improved on that at this point.
> > > Later...
> > > Tim Kilburn
> > > Apple Teacher
> > > (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> > > Jamf Certified Associate
> > > Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> > > On Jun 5, 2019, at 11:54, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries
> > >  > > 
> > > > wrote:
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> > > than doing it in the mail preferences on the Mac.
> > > From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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Re: mac book pro 2017

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Again, Simon:

I think six years from a machine is actually pretty good.

My longest survivor ever was a 2008 Thinkpad X61s, which I just retired
a couple months ago as it no longer powered up in any way. Not at all.

I've had several desktop/tower machines go 8 or 9 years. And, I've had
laptops go almost as long.

But, here's the thing, if it's missing something you find fundamentally
important, like a keyboard you like and a boot chime you actually depend
on to function well, giving those up is unlikely to work out well, imo.

I'm currently torn. If there's really a Pro from 2017 with the old
keyboard, USB3, and a boot chime, I would consider that even though 16
Gb is something I consider baseline.

I'm seeing the same problem in the Thinkpad X1 Carbon machines currently
available new.

I know Jason likes his Thinkpad P1 which can be had with 32 Gb ram. It
has a great keyboard, even compared to other Thinkpads, and it includes
a numeric keypad. How cool is that?

But, then one is giving up OS X.

Always some kind of trade-off! 

Best,

Janina

Simon Fogarty writes:
> Hi Janina,
> 
> Yeah I'm currently split on what to purchase as a replacement machine.
> 
> The fully worked 2017 air would do the job,
>  And has the to me better keyboard but then the 2018 pro 13" has more ram, 
> faster processor and USB-C,
> 
> However everything has down sides, the newer pro has the butterfly keyboard 
> which I'm not personally a fan of and will cost more for new adaptors but it 
> should survive 2 years longer in the life of simons products.
> 
> My 2013 air has now lasted 6 years,
> Can I get that from a pro.
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries  
> Sent: Thursday, 6 June 2019 11:39 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: mac book pro 2017
> 
> Hey, Simon. My wish for you is that someone returned these machines because 
> they'd heard there shouldn't be a boot chime any longer! 
> 
> Janina
> 
> PS: I looked at the 2017 Air machines still available today. I'm 
> disappointed. It looks to me like the only advantage of leaving my 2014 Air 
> for a 2017 model is a measly 4Gb more RAM. That's ain't enough today, imo.
> 
> I'm back to looking at the small Thinkpad X1 Carbon machines for laptops. I 
> realize that would leave me out of the Apple eco system. I am finding the new 
> minis very attractive, so perhaps I'm thinking transitionally.
> 
> You all have gotten under my skin enough so that I don't really want to leave 
> Apple out of my life. Heck, Safari has become my favorite gui browser in 
> recent months. Go figure.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Janina
> 
> Simon Fogarty writes:
> >   Hi List,
> > 
> > Just wondering if anyone on the list has a 2017 13.3" Mac book pro with 
> > 2.3GHz I5 prodessor?
> > 
> > I'm just looking at one of these model machines from the apple refurbished 
> > devices and wondered why such a nice sounding machine would have been 
> > returned to apple?
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Re: mac book pro 2017

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Simon:

That 2017 Pro with an I7 and 16 Gb RAM sounds a lot better. It should
have a pretty compelling price, because I should think that's pretty
baseline specs for 64bit Windows 10 under Bootcamp--especially if you
also want to run the Windows in some kind of vm.

For me it would also need USB 3 ports, at least one, as I've got Linux
booting off a tiny 256 Gb USB 3 stick that sticks out less far than the
charging connector on my Air.

Depending on the price and the weight, I will consider that one myself,
because I'm looking to upgrade and get a few more years out of chiming
boots.

I do think asking for "a long time" may be asking a bit much from this
specification, though.It really does strike me as baseline today.

Best,

Janina

Simon Fogarty writes:
> Hi Tim,
> 
> I’ve gotta couple of options,
> 
> The air would be a custom build to fully spec’ed out and yes still has USB-A 
> and thunderbolt 2.
> 
> But only 8GB ram,
> 
> I’m also looking at a 2017 I7 2.5GHz pro with 16gb ram and 512 GB ssd,
> I’m not going to touch bar as that causes trouble with windows in bootcamp.
> 
> Which ever I end up doing it’s a long term thing so it will have to be 
> considered carefully.
> 
> 
> From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> Sent: Friday, 7 June 2019 2:35 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: mac book pro 2017
> 
> Hi Simon,
> 
> Janina may be right :).  No, it doesn't have a boot chime.  I have a similar 
> model, but the 3.1 I5 processor and 16 GB of RAM.  It's the one with the 
> Touch Bar and 4 USB C ports.  I haven't had any problems with my model 
> although, like you, many don't like the feel of the butterfly keys, and some 
> are stuck on USB A ports, of which the MBP's have none.  Battery life is 
> good, but not excellent.  It's nice and light and handles processing big jobs 
> well.  If the price is right, I'd go for it.
> 
> Later...
> 
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> 
> On Jun 6, 2019, at 05:38, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hey, Simon. My wish for you is that someone returned these machines
> because they'd heard there shouldn't be a boot chime any longer! 
> 
> Janina
> 
> PS: I looked at the 2017 Air machines still available today. I'm
> disappointed. It looks to me like the only advantage of leaving my 2014
> Air for a 2017 model is a measly 4Gb more RAM. That's ain't enough
> today, imo.
> 
> I'm back to looking at the small Thinkpad X1 Carbon machines for
> laptops. I realize that would leave me out of the Apple eco system. I am
> finding the new minis very attractive, so perhaps I'm thinking
> transitionally.
> 
> You all have gotten under my skin enough so that I don't really want to
> leave Apple out of my life. Heck, Safari has become my favorite gui
> browser in recent months. Go figure.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Janina
> 
> Simon Fogarty writes:
> 
>  Hi List,
> 
> Just wondering if anyone on the list has a 2017 13.3" Mac book pro with 
> 2.3GHz I5 prodessor?
> 
> I'm just looking at one of these model machines from the apple refurbished 
> devices and wondered why such a nice sounding machine would have been 
> returned to apple?
> I just wondered if this might be a problematic model as there are 3 of them 
> showing in the NZ apple website refurbished list.
> 
> Cheers for any information.
> 
> 
> Simon f
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Map bug on iPhone

['Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries]

Dear List,
This bug from 2017  still exists.
Am I the only one who is having this problem?
Using a iPhone 7 with the latest IOS. 

Begin forwarded message:

From: Apple Accessibility mailto:accessibil...@apple.com>>
Date: October 3, 2017 at 7:01:02 PM EDT
To: mr.robertc...@icloud.com 
Subject: Re: iOS 11 Maps App Card Grabber TimeOut VoiceOver Bug; Follow-up: 
674583055

Hello Robert,

Thank you for writing to Apple Accessibility. We appreciate your feedback. 
In our testing, we found that the Details overlay is dismissed regardless of 
whether you are using VoiceOver. We will pass this report along to the 
appropriate team.

Sincerely,

Apple Accessibility

On September 29, 2017 at 20:40:37 PM GMT, mr.robertc...@icloud.com 
 wrote:

IOS 10 and 
iOS 11 Maps App Card Grabber TimeOut VoiceOver Bug

DESCRIPTION:
In iOS 11, only when VoiceOver is enabled, the full-screen Card Grabber
display, times-out after 10 seconds, when reviewing the live route details
list.

Steps to Reproduce:

1.
Make certain that VoiceOver is enabled.

2.
Open Map and activate a route by selecting a destination and tapping the GO
button.  Siri will announce a direction instruction; for example, "In one
mile, turn left onto Main Street."  

3.
Single-finger, double-tap the "Arrival" label, located near the lower left
of the display in order to activate the Card Grabber which will bring up
various route options.

4.
Select Details.  A directions list will be displayed.  Unlike for a
non-VoiceOver user, for whom this list will remain on the screen until the
DONE button is activated, after approximately ten seconds with or without
screen activity, the list will disappear as if the VoiceOver user activated
the DONE button.


Please check this out.

Thank You,
Robert Cole

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Re: Adjusting Individual Audio Sources on the Mac

[Robert Carter]

Hi Kelly,

There is an app from Rogue Amoeba called SoundSource that will almost certainly 
do what you want.

This is an application that lives in the extras menu. At the moment, there is a 
VoiceOver bug that keeps the VoiceOver option+control+space command from 
opening the SoundSource window. So, you have to click the trackpad to open the 
program from the extras menu. I have reported this and it will be fixed in an 
update.

Robert Carter



> On Jun 6, 2019, at 8:51 PM, kelly ford  wrote:
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> Hi,
>  
> Is there any way to adjust the audio level for individual applications on the 
> Mac?  I don’t mean audio ducking but rather setting the sound level for each 
> program that’s producing audio.
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keyboard shorcut to add and list bookmarks on pages

[Leo Bado]

Hi,
Subject line says it all, if someone knows what are the shortcuts to add 
and list bookmarks please reply.

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Re: Reading app-specific passwords on the Apple-id page

[Daniel Gartmann]

Hi Simon and all,

You only need this if you need to access your iCloud information via non-Apple 
apps such as Microsoft Outlook.

That is my understanding anyway. Hopefully more people can chime in here.

Daniel

> Den 6. jun. 2019 kl. 11.49 skrev Simon Fogarty :
> 
> Hi Daniel,
> 
> I must be doing something wrong then as I've never struck this before.
> 
> Although I've only once ever setup an iCloud email account.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Daniel Gartmann
> Sent: Thursday, 6 June 2019 7:55 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Reading app-specific passwords on the Apple-id page
> 
> 
> 
> It is in the security section when logged into your Apple-ID.
> 
> You need to generate an app-specific password if you want to connect a 
> third-party app such as Outlook to your iCloud account.
> 
> Nothing is sent. You need to read the password on the web page in the 
> security section on your Apple-id page.
> You then need to copy that password over to Outlook and insert it into the 
> account setup page there.
> 
> Hope this makes it more clear.
> 
> Daniel
> 
>> Den 6. jun. 2019 kl. 08.30 skrev Simon Fogarty :
>> 
>> Sorry I don't understand what you mean?
>> 
>> Is this password for an email account in Outlook or is it being sent to you 
>> by some service in an email format?
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
>> Behalf Of Daniel Gartmann
>> Sent: Thursday, 6 June 2019 1:44 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Reading app-specific passwords on the Apple-id page
>> 
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> I can’t figure out how how to read and copy an app specific password that I 
>> created to put into Outlook for Windows.
>> 
>> I click on the Show History link, or that is the Danish text translated into 
>> English since I am in Denmark.
>> I get the time and the label for when I created the password, but wwhen I 
>> click on it, I can’t find the password to copy.
>> 
>> I am using JAWS with GoogleChrome.
>> 
>> Anybody had success doing that?
>> 
>> Thanks in advance.
>> 
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RE: mac book pro 2017

[Simon Fogarty]

Yeah petrus,

I wondered if it’s more to do with your not use to the older mac keyboard, but 
then you used windows computers / notebooks before your mac so I can only think 
your picking up the butterfly better than those of us that don’t like them.

Great work and I’ll be coming for typing lessons.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
Sent: Friday, 7 June 2019 10:04 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: mac book pro 2017

I’m guessing that it is the fact that I’ve always made lots of typos so I’ve 
not noticed over the years as my typing has improved and I’m probably making 
less typos now days


On 7/06/2019, at 9:04 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

I agree with the opposing viewpoint.  I've had my Mac for almost two years now, 
and I've never made so many typos as I do with the butterfly keyboard.  I kept 
thinking I would get used to it, but I haven't.  I still hate this stupid 
keyboard.
Cheers,
Donna



On Jun 6, 2019, at 3:51 PM, Petrus Tuerlings 
mailto:petrus.t...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Okay, I mast be the odd one out, maybe Simon has something when he keeps 
referring to me living in Auckland. But I think the butterfly keyboard is the 
best I’ve ever had. I can’t comment on the start up chime as I’ve only had a 
Mac for about 6 months or so. But it would still be nice to have one.


On 7/06/2019, at 8:29 AM, lenron brown 
mailto:lenro...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Those butterfly keys drive me nuts, and no chime that just breaks my heart.

On 6/6/19, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Hi Simon,

Janina may be right :).  No, it doesn't have a boot chime.  I have a similar
model, but the 3.1 I5 processor and 16 GB of RAM.  It's the one with the
Touch Bar and 4 USB C ports.  I haven't had any problems with my model
although, like you, many don't like the feel of the butterfly keys, and some
are stuck on USB A ports, of which the MBP's have none.  Battery life is
good, but not excellent.  It's nice and light and handles processing big
jobs well.  If the price is right, I'd go for it.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
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On Jun 6, 2019, at 05:38, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Hey, Simon. My wish for you is that someone returned these machines
because they'd heard there shouldn't be a boot chime any longer! 

Janina

PS: I looked at the 2017 Air machines still available today. I'm
disappointed. It looks to me like the only advantage of leaving my 2014
Air for a 2017 model is a measly 4Gb more RAM. That's ain't enough
today, imo.

I'm back to looking at the small Thinkpad X1 Carbon machines for
laptops. I realize that would leave me out of the Apple eco system. I am
finding the new minis very attractive, so perhaps I'm thinking
transitionally.

You all have gotten under my skin enough so that I don't really want to
leave Apple out of my life. Heck, Safari has become my favorite gui
browser in recent months. Go figure.

Best,

Janina

Simon Fogarty writes:

Hi List,

Just wondering if anyone on the list has a 2017 13.3" Mac book pro with
2.3GHz I5 prodessor?

I'm just looking at one of these model machines from the apple refurbished
devices and wondered why such a nice sounding machine would have been
returned to apple?
I just wondered if this might be a problematic model as there are 3 of
them showing in the NZ apple website refurbished list.

Cheers for any information.


Simon f

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RE: mac book pro 2017

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Donna,

Thanks for the honest reply.

I know a lot of folks world wide dislike the butterfly,
Then there are a lot that like them,

Petrus being a recently new convert likes his as does his wife like the 
keyboard on her mac book.

Could that be as new users they aren’t use to the older format?
Thought  for all…

I do wonder if apple are investigating options to replace the butterfly.

From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
Sent: Friday, 7 June 2019 9:05 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: mac book pro 2017

I agree with the opposing viewpoint.  I've had my Mac for almost two years now, 
and I've never made so many typos as I do with the butterfly keyboard.  I kept 
thinking I would get used to it, but I haven't.  I still hate this stupid 
keyboard.
Cheers,
Donna



On Jun 6, 2019, at 3:51 PM, Petrus Tuerlings 
mailto:petrus.t...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Okay, I mast be the odd one out, maybe Simon has something when he keeps 
referring to me living in Auckland. But I think the butterfly keyboard is the 
best I’ve ever had. I can’t comment on the start up chime as I’ve only had a 
Mac for about 6 months or so. But it would still be nice to have one.


On 7/06/2019, at 8:29 AM, lenron brown 
mailto:lenro...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Those butterfly keys drive me nuts, and no chime that just breaks my heart.

On 6/6/19, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Hi Simon,

Janina may be right :).  No, it doesn't have a boot chime.  I have a similar
model, but the 3.1 I5 processor and 16 GB of RAM.  It's the one with the
Touch Bar and 4 USB C ports.  I haven't had any problems with my model
although, like you, many don't like the feel of the butterfly keys, and some
are stuck on USB A ports, of which the MBP's have none.  Battery life is
good, but not excellent.  It's nice and light and handles processing big
jobs well.  If the price is right, I'd go for it.

Later...

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On Jun 6, 2019, at 05:38, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries
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Hey, Simon. My wish for you is that someone returned these machines
because they'd heard there shouldn't be a boot chime any longer! 

Janina

PS: I looked at the 2017 Air machines still available today. I'm
disappointed. It looks to me like the only advantage of leaving my 2014
Air for a 2017 model is a measly 4Gb more RAM. That's ain't enough
today, imo.

I'm back to looking at the small Thinkpad X1 Carbon machines for
laptops. I realize that would leave me out of the Apple eco system. I am
finding the new minis very attractive, so perhaps I'm thinking
transitionally.

You all have gotten under my skin enough so that I don't really want to
leave Apple out of my life. Heck, Safari has become my favorite gui
browser in recent months. Go figure.

Best,

Janina

Simon Fogarty writes:

Hi List,

Just wondering if anyone on the list has a 2017 13.3" Mac book pro with
2.3GHz I5 prodessor?

I'm just looking at one of these model machines from the apple refurbished
devices and wondered why such a nice sounding machine would have been
returned to apple?
I just wondered if this might be a problematic model as there are 3 of
them showing in the NZ apple website refurbished list.

Cheers for any information.


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RE: mac book pro 2017

[Simon Fogarty]

Hey Petrus,

The Auckland jive is only because I’m in Dunedin and it’s just one of those 
things we do.

Could be worse, you could be in Australia!

The chime was there to indicate all devices were functioning correctly I 
believe it was.

Then with the onset of solid state and non moving technology I guess they 
thought it was no longer required.

It was just a great way to know the device was on and starting up.

As for the keyboard, I think that’s more of a it will grow on you as you use it 
thing.
I use a 2018 pro at work and I deal with the KB but the straight flatness and 
lack of key definition  is what gets me the most.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
Sent: Friday, 7 June 2019 8:52 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: mac book pro 2017

Okay, I mast be the odd one out, maybe Simon has something when he keeps 
referring to me living in Auckland. But I think the butterfly keyboard is the 
best I’ve ever had. I can’t comment on the start up chime as I’ve only had a 
Mac for about 6 months or so. But it would still be nice to have one.


On 7/06/2019, at 8:29 AM, lenron brown 
mailto:lenro...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Those butterfly keys drive me nuts, and no chime that just breaks my heart.

On 6/6/19, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Hi Simon,

Janina may be right :).  No, it doesn't have a boot chime.  I have a similar
model, but the 3.1 I5 processor and 16 GB of RAM.  It's the one with the
Touch Bar and 4 USB C ports.  I haven't had any problems with my model
although, like you, many don't like the feel of the butterfly keys, and some
are stuck on USB A ports, of which the MBP's have none.  Battery life is
good, but not excellent.  It's nice and light and handles processing big
jobs well.  If the price is right, I'd go for it.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
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(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)



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Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 6, 2019, at 05:38, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Hey, Simon. My wish for you is that someone returned these machines
because they'd heard there shouldn't be a boot chime any longer! 

Janina

PS: I looked at the 2017 Air machines still available today. I'm
disappointed. It looks to me like the only advantage of leaving my 2014
Air for a 2017 model is a measly 4Gb more RAM. That's ain't enough
today, imo.

I'm back to looking at the small Thinkpad X1 Carbon machines for
laptops. I realize that would leave me out of the Apple eco system. I am
finding the new minis very attractive, so perhaps I'm thinking
transitionally.

You all have gotten under my skin enough so that I don't really want to
leave Apple out of my life. Heck, Safari has become my favorite gui
browser in recent months. Go figure.

Best,

Janina

Simon Fogarty writes:

Hi List,

Just wondering if anyone on the list has a 2017 13.3" Mac book pro with
2.3GHz I5 prodessor?

I'm just looking at one of these model machines from the apple refurbished
devices and wondered why such a nice sounding machine would have been
returned to apple?
I just wondered if this might be a problematic model as there are 3 of
them showing in the NZ apple website refurbished list.

Cheers for any information.


Simon f

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RE: handbrake

[Simon Fogarty]

 A media tool for things like conversion or ripping etc.

Or otherwise known as a parking break for a car or other such motor vehicle.

-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Lorie McCloud
Sent: Friday, 7 June 2019 6:58 AM
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Subject: handbrake

what is handbrake? I'm looking for something (hopefully free or very 
inexpensive) that I can use to edit mp3 files, take parts out of them etc.

thanks.
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RE: Message Filters

[Simon Fogarty]

And hey if you’re a sucker for craziness,

A company called Microsoft are meant to be releasing a new browser called Edge 
to the MacOS plat form.
Might be worth a look.

From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
Sent: Friday, 7 June 2019 6:20 AM
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Subject: Re: Message Filters

Hi,

Oops, I forgot to answer the first question.  No, I don't think that it's any 
better in Chrome.  You're welcome to give it a try though.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
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(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)

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On Jun 6, 2019, at 12:18, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Hi,

I have Chrome installed with ChromeVox as well.  Chrome works better in all the 
Googly things, and better in some other things, but I just use it when Safari 
is being uncooperative.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
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mailto:jamf-certified-associate-bad...@2x.jpg>>

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On Jun 6, 2019, at 12:02, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

  Is it any better in Chrome? Is Chrome worth installing in general?

>From E.T.'s Keyboard...
  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 6/6/2019 7:39 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hi,
Yeah, I don't find the iCloud web interface particularly friendly.   Usable, 
yes, but not great from a screen reader user prospective.
Later...
Tim Kilburn
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Jamf Certified Associate
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On Jun 5, 2019, at 13:01, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
> wrote:
  Ok. What I had trouble with was using the various menu buttons to add the 
information and elements like. name or email address, then, choosing the action 
which in m case would be, move to folder.
>From E.T.'s Keyboard...
ancient.ali...@icloud.com 

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On 6/5/2019 11:44 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hi,
Normally, filters created on your Mac only affect the Mac.  Filters created in 
iCloud affect the iCloud Mail on all devices.  I'm not sure if Apple has 
improved on that at this point.
Later...
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On Jun 5, 2019, at 11:54, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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> wrote:
  Is there an advantage to setting u message filters on the iCloud web site? I 
did one this morning and thought it much more difficult than doing it in the 
mail preferences on the Mac.
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RE: How do I convert an mp4 file

[Simon Fogarty]

yeah leave it alone and play  it in itunes or VLC,
 MP4 is a standard format.

-Original Message-
From: 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Friday, 7 June 2019 4:27 AM
To: Mac Users Group 
Subject: How do I convert an mp4 file

I need to take a file created from Skype, which is an .mp4 file and convert it 
so that it will play on my Mac or IOS device. Does anyone know what app is best 
for doing this? I have opened the .mp4 files in Amadeus pro, but they don’t 
always work properly. Sometimes it does not get the whole file.

Thanks for any help you might have.

Kristeen

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RE: mac book pro 2017

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Tim,

I’ve gotta couple of options,

The air would be a custom build to fully spec’ed out and yes still has USB-A 
and thunderbolt 2.

But only 8GB ram,

I’m also looking at a 2017 I7 2.5GHz pro with 16gb ram and 512 GB ssd,
I’m not going to touch bar as that causes trouble with windows in bootcamp.

Which ever I end up doing it’s a long term thing so it will have to be 
considered carefully.


From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
Sent: Friday, 7 June 2019 2:35 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: mac book pro 2017

Hi Simon,

Janina may be right :).  No, it doesn't have a boot chime.  I have a similar 
model, but the 3.1 I5 processor and 16 GB of RAM.  It's the one with the Touch 
Bar and 4 USB C ports.  I haven't had any problems with my model although, like 
you, many don't like the feel of the butterfly keys, and some are stuck on USB 
A ports, of which the MBP's have none.  Battery life is good, but not 
excellent.  It's nice and light and handles processing big jobs well.  If the 
price is right, I'd go for it.

Later...

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On Jun 6, 2019, at 05:38, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
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Hey, Simon. My wish for you is that someone returned these machines
because they'd heard there shouldn't be a boot chime any longer! 

Janina

PS: I looked at the 2017 Air machines still available today. I'm
disappointed. It looks to me like the only advantage of leaving my 2014
Air for a 2017 model is a measly 4Gb more RAM. That's ain't enough
today, imo.

I'm back to looking at the small Thinkpad X1 Carbon machines for
laptops. I realize that would leave me out of the Apple eco system. I am
finding the new minis very attractive, so perhaps I'm thinking
transitionally.

You all have gotten under my skin enough so that I don't really want to
leave Apple out of my life. Heck, Safari has become my favorite gui
browser in recent months. Go figure.

Best,

Janina

Simon Fogarty writes:

 Hi List,

Just wondering if anyone on the list has a 2017 13.3" Mac book pro with 2.3GHz 
I5 prodessor?

I'm just looking at one of these model machines from the apple refurbished 
devices and wondered why such a nice sounding machine would have been returned 
to apple?
I just wondered if this might be a problematic model as there are 3 of them 
showing in the NZ apple website refurbished list.

Cheers for any information.


Simon f

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RE: mac pro pricing

[Simon Fogarty]

I want a xdr screen,

I don’t want the stand though.

From: 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
Sent: Friday, 7 June 2019 12:09 AM
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Subject: Re: mac pro pricing

The articles I’ve read are lacking in specifics beyond the base price. I expect 
details will be forthcoming as the hardware becomes available. If you have the 
kinds of processor and memory-intensive applications that require it, and the 
budget, then it’s going to be an excellent machine, based on what I’ve read.

For the sake of perspective, you’ll be able to buy one for less than what a new 
80-cell braille display currently costs. I’ve used an 80-cell braille display, 
and I like it very much, but I haven’t reached the point of seriously making 
the financial commitment.

From: Macvisionaries 
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behalf of Simon Fogarty mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>>
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Subject: mac pro pricing

Hi List,

Has anyone actually seen a pricing structure for the new Mac Pro yet other than 
it’s base model price?

I know what the price will be in the USA but I’m wanting to price the fully 
spec’d version to see what the price in NZ will be.

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RE: mac book pro 2017

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Janina,

Yeah I'm currently split on what to purchase as a replacement machine.

The fully worked 2017 air would do the job,
 And has the to me better keyboard but then the 2018 pro 13" has more ram, 
faster processor and USB-C,

However everything has down sides, the newer pro has the butterfly keyboard 
which I'm not personally a fan of and will cost more for new adaptors but it 
should survive 2 years longer in the life of simons products.

My 2013 air has now lasted 6 years,
Can I get that from a pro.
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From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Thursday, 6 June 2019 11:39 PM
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Subject: Re: mac book pro 2017

Hey, Simon. My wish for you is that someone returned these machines because 
they'd heard there shouldn't be a boot chime any longer! 

Janina

PS: I looked at the 2017 Air machines still available today. I'm disappointed. 
It looks to me like the only advantage of leaving my 2014 Air for a 2017 model 
is a measly 4Gb more RAM. That's ain't enough today, imo.

I'm back to looking at the small Thinkpad X1 Carbon machines for laptops. I 
realize that would leave me out of the Apple eco system. I am finding the new 
minis very attractive, so perhaps I'm thinking transitionally.

You all have gotten under my skin enough so that I don't really want to leave 
Apple out of my life. Heck, Safari has become my favorite gui browser in recent 
months. Go figure.

Best,

Janina

Simon Fogarty writes:
>   Hi List,
> 
> Just wondering if anyone on the list has a 2017 13.3" Mac book pro with 
> 2.3GHz I5 prodessor?
> 
> I'm just looking at one of these model machines from the apple refurbished 
> devices and wondered why such a nice sounding machine would have been 
> returned to apple?
> I just wondered if this might be a problematic model as there are 3 of them 
> showing in the NZ apple website refurbished list.
> 
> Cheers for any information.
> 
> 
> Simon f
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Re: Track commander

[Julie Rattray]

Hi,

I am sure you can enable or disable it in VO preferences 

> On 6 Jun 2019, at 23:31, Petrus Tuerlings  > wrote:
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> Hi all,
> Is it possible to disable the track commander? I know how to turn it on and 
> off by holding down the Voice over keys and doing the rotor gesture clockwise 
> or counter clockwise but I keep accidentally turning it on. Is there a way of 
> locking it so I don’t keep turning it on all the time?
> Thanks,
> Petrus 
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