Still got mail problems

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OT: Can someone please send me off-list email address for this list please

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Hi all.

Still experiencing difficulties importing my Contacts from Win 7 to win 10.

Can someone please give me the url for posting to this list.

Very best wishes.

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OT: Test re failled new contacts

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OT: cannot add to contacts in win10

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Sorry guys. The subject says it all.

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Re: Total Recorder or Gpoldwave please

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Hi Karen.

Sorry, I missed it.  Was it a good interview?

Andy.
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Subject: Re: Total Recorder or Gpoldwave please



Andy,
Feel free to answer this off list, but did you capture the most  recent 
interview with sir. Paul McCartney from a few weeks back?

BBC  radio 4 I believe?
Karen



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Hi all.

My biggest computing interest is listening to shows on the BBC Iplayer 
app on my Windows computers.


I record these broadcasts either through Total Recorder or Goldwave, then 
save them for future listening.


Can all of these things be done on my 2020 Macbook Pro, or do I need to 
restrict this hobby to Microsoft devices? as my Mac cannot rune the above 
programmes?


Thanks very much for any assistance.

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Re: Total Recorder or Gpoldwave please

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Hi Herbie.

Thanks, I'll check it out.

Very best wishes.

Andy.
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  Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2021 10:58 PM
  Subject: Re: Total Recorder or Gpoldwave please


  Audio Highjack is your friend. It’s about $40. 



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Hi all.

My biggest computing interest is listening to shows on the BBC Iplayer app 
on my Windows computers.

I record these broadcasts either through Total Recorder or Goldwave, then 
save them for future listening.

Can all of these things be done on my 2020 Macbook Pro, or do I need to 
restrict this hobby to Microsoft devices? as my Mac cannot rune the above 
programmes?

Thanks very much for any assistance.

Andy Logue.




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Total Recorder or Gpoldwave please

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Hi all.

My biggest computing interest is listening to shows on the BBC Iplayer app on 
my Windows computers.

I record these broadcasts either through Total Recorder or Goldwave, then save 
them for future listening.

Can all of these things be done on my 2020 Macbook Pro, or do I need to 
restrict this hobby to Microsoft devices? as my Mac cannot rune the above 
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Re: Turning voiceover on and off quickly

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Hi Doug.

I think you have the answer I'm looking for.

Sure, I can get assistance to turn voice over off or on by going the long way 
via settings/accessability and so on, but your talking about voice over 
"shortcuts" Are you refering to 3 and 4 rapid presses of the home button to 
quickly disarm serie or re-arm it it?  I really do hope so, because this is how 
I had my phone set up in the past and that worked for me nicely.

Very best wishes.

Andy Logue.
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  You can fix this by going to Settings, Accessibility, Accessibility Shortcut, 
and making sure this is set to VoiceOver. 


  Best, Doug 


  Sent from my iPhone


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Hi all.

I used to  press the home button, on my iphone, three times to quickly turn 
voice over off or on again, when handing my phone to a sighted user when they 
were helping me.

This no longer seems to work so I've got to go the long way around by going 
into settings, accessability and then voice over.

Can anyone tell me of a quick way of doing this, theses days.

Very best wishes.

Andy Logue.




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Re: Turning voiceover on and off quickly

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Hi Tim and Dave.

I never mentioned a 3 finger triple tap.  I didn't know of it's excistance.

What I meant to say is that I used to press the home button 3 times rapidly to 
disarm voice over and 4 times to turn it back on.

This allowed my sighted wife to help me create a new contact for example.

I'm not sure how by simply turning the volume of voice over up or down would be 
of help in any circumstances and would still burden the sighted person by it's 
interference.

Incidentally, time mentioned Serie for turning voice over off and on.

Do you mean that I'd press the home button for a few seconds, until I hear a 
tone then say something like "Serie, turn voice over on" or whatever.

Thanks guys for any assistance.

Very best wishes,

Andy Logue.


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  Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2021 3:03 PM
  Subject: Re: Turning voiceover on and off quickly


  Hi,


  Actually, a three-finger double-tap does not toggle VoiceOver on and off.  
The three-finger double-tap toggles on/off VoiceOver speech, but VoiceOver 
gesture navigation remains on.  This would be problematic for a sighted user as 
their normal gestures would not work as expected.  Therefore, you could confirm 
that the Accessibility shortcut is still set correctly as Doug suggested, or 
you could use Siri to turn VO on and off.


  Later…


  Tim Kilburn
  Jamf Certified Tech
  Apple Professional Learning Specialist
  Apple Teacher
  (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
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On Oct 19, 2021, at 7:45 AM, tim m  wrote:


Just do a 3 finger double tap, turns vo on and off.


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  Hi all.

  I used to  press the home button, on my iphone, three times to quickly 
turn voice over off or on again, when handing my phone to a sighted user when 
they were helping me.

  This no longer seems to work so I've got to go the long way around by 
going into settings, accessability and then voice over.

  Can anyone tell me of a quick way of doing this, theses days.

  Very best wishes.

  Andy Logue.



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Turning voiceover on and off quickly

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Hi all.

I used to  press the home button, on my iphone, three times to quickly turn 
voice over off or on again, when handing my phone to a sighted user when they 
were helping me.

This no longer seems to work so I've got to go the long way around by going 
into settings, accessability and then voice over.

Can anyone tell me of a quick way of doing this, theses days.

Very best wishes.

Andy Logue.

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Re: mac os big sur + mbp 16 2020: feel totally ripped off by the touch bar

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Hi there.

I totally agree with you.  This is why I purchased an external keyboard. 
I've never enjoyed keyboards on Microsoft or Apples. and much prefer a good 
old fashioned tactile  external keyboard.


I purchased the same computer as you just at the end of the year and it is 
only now that I'm able to secure sighted assistance in getting started, 
because of lock-down.  Though rather than being very excited  about this I'm 
feeling pretty sick and anxious.


I personally hate keyboards on laptop's as they always seem so cramped.  In 
some cases you get machines that do not discriminate between the QUERTY and 
6 pack and the 6 pack and the numeric.


I'm total and have very poor tactile skills, so I'm virtually unable to use 
one of those flush type models.


Another thing I hate is  the slippyness or sleeckness of my new Mac, my 
fingers just slip all over the place.  I am very nerviouse and my fingers 
are shaking with the stress.


As you say Apple are very focused on looks and my own computer, in gun metal 
gray probably  looks great for the show off's


As for the new Trackpad, well what can I say?  Better just saying nothing at 
all.


Now if we had reverse the process of inventions and it was only now that 
Apple had announced the latest technology of F keys  we all would be 
delighted and celebrating.


Andy Logue.


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To: "lengr...@hotmail.com lengr...@hotmail.com" 


Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2021 6:43 AM
Subject: mac os big sur + mbp 16 2020: feel totally ripped off by the touch 
bar



I am ranting on this post, but I really cannot stand this touch bar anymore. 
It's completely useless on a functional basis, as when trying to do stuff in 
an efficient way, such as switching applications and using the function keys 
for doing the switches, I have to keep massaging the damn touch bar with a 
finger long enough for it to decide to wake up at some point. Each time I do 
this, it's like a 4 to 6 second wait. that time is enough for me to have to 
remember either the line of math or code or whatever I was keeping in memory 
to move across to another application or such.


I really cannot stand this absolute farce of a feature which is meant to 
make things look pretty but has no use at all when it comes to being 
productive. And having a mac for me is meant to be synonymous with being 
efficient and productive, least path of resistance, it just works, those 
kind of things. The touch bar is the complete contrarian design idiocy that 
for some reason creeped into a perfectly awesome laptop which is the macbook 
pro 16 inch.


I spent over 7000 australian dollars for this, and the touch bar itself 
jjust makes me want to throw this laptop out of the window at least 5 times 
a day, simply because this entire row of touch screen pretty pretty but 
totally useless b buttons is there not wanting to wake up snappilly and 
respond to what I want it to do.


A complete thumbs down on whoever gave the green light on this most stupid 
feature.



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Alternative to Apple Keyboard

['Andy Logue' via MacVisionaries]

Hi all.

As a consequence of poor tactile feeling in my fingers and hands, I much prefer 
to use an Apple external keyboard to the on-board keyboards I've come across.

The Apple keyboard I'm referring to is solidly built; Has a half inch step to 
rays the rear end of the keyboard, just below the IF keys and is about 4 inches 
broad.

The Query keys are slightly apart and have a solid and sure click;  The 6 pack 
and navigation and numeric sections are also professionally constructed to give 
someone with my poor touch a degree of confidence.  I'm gutted however as I've 
managed somehow to damage my keyboard by spilling something over it.

The Apple store in Glasgow are asking for £115 for a replacement.  Despite my 
love of this keyboard, I think it's rather too expensive.

I've noted on this list that some members have purchased None Apple keyboards 
using Amazon.

Can anyone please guide  me to such a keyboard and also, tell me if it is as 
nice as Apples own model or should I stick with Apple.

Thanks.

Very best wishes.

Andy Logue.

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Re: Question about pdf

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Hi there.

I may be interested.  Andy Logue.

more info re make model and age please.

Very best wishes.

Andy.
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  Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 3:16 PM
  Subject: Question about pdf


  Hello,

   

  I need to open and print a pdf in my mac computer. The file is in a jump 
drive.

  First of all, I don’t know how to open the file. Where do I find the jump 
drive?

  Please, help,

   

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Re: Request for a tutorial about pages

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Hi there.

I'll do so, but if you got my message and cannot read it, then you have a 
problem at your end.


Are you poossibly seeing a message with black letters on a black background?

Try opening the message again.  Tab to the main body of the messatge.

Do a control A to highlight everything that may or may not be in there, 
followed by control c.


Launch your office program and start a new page and do Control V.

If there was anything in the main body, it's now on the new office/word 
document you created.


Try reading the whole messge, even if there appears to be nothing on the 
screen.


And write again tomorrow.

Hope you get this sorted.

Andy.
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To: 
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 10:59 PM
Subject: Re: Request for a tutorial about pages



Hello Andy,

Your message is not showing up anywhere.

Please resend.

Kerry

On 11 Nov 2020, at 3:44 PM, 'Andy Logue' via MacVisionaries 
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Hi Mohamid.

I've just posted a message on this list about tutorials.   so Read my 
message and you'll find a rather good tutorial from Janet iberge.


Very best wishes.

Andy
- Original Message - From: "muhammad babar Shahzad" 


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Subject: Request for a tutorial about pages



Hello Everyone,
As the subject states, I have to complete university assignments for 
which I would like to switch over to pages on my MacBook. Could you 
please share any tips, tricks or a complete tutorial about pages.

Thanks,
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Re: Request for a tutorial about pages

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Hi Mohamid.

I've just posted a message on this list about tutorials.   so Read my 
message and you'll find a rather good tutorial from Janet iberge.


Very best wishes.

Andy
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Subject: Request for a tutorial about pages



Hello Everyone,
As the subject states, I have to complete university assignments for which 
I would like to switch over to pages on my MacBook. Could you please share 
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Re: Further to earlier mail re playing audio content on my Mac

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Hi Tim Steve and all who have responded to this thread.

Steve got me thinking  about my particular problem, which was confirmed by Tim.

Despite getting the following message:

"Application Alert - System Dialogue -  - This Mac cannot connect to Icloud  
because of a problem with meikle.ai...@btinternet.com". "Open System 
Preferences of Icloud to fix this problem"



I was down in the hotel yesterday  attempting once again to go throu these 
steps that Tim recommended.



When I went into extras and wi-fi, the Kilcreggan hotel came up and I was told 
that wi-fi was indeed turned on.



So I spent the rest of the day messing around with Safari and it proved correct 
that my computer was indeed on line., and I learned a lot about surfing the net.





Tim said that the above error message can be prevented from showing up by:



"If the connection to Wi-Fi was already established, but this error message 
appeared anyway, then you'd need to enter the password in System Preferences to 
have it not continue bothering you.  This message was fairly common in El 
Capitan, especially when you didn't use your computer in a while.  There should 
be a button on this error message that will take you directly to the proper 
pane of System Preferences, which is the Internet Accounts pane.  If it does 
not straight away ask you for your iCloud password, then you may need to press 
the Sign Out button then the Sign In button.  I would suggest that this iCloud 
is likely your Apple ID, so you will need to enter the username and password 
for your Apple ID to allow the MacOS to access iCloud services.  As a matter of 
interest, although I don't necessarily recommend it, you could press the 
"Later" button in this error dialog and go on your merry way.  That is, you 
don't need to be signed into these services in order to access FaceTime or 
messages.  You can simply open those apps specifically, enter your Apple ID and 
password and they are ready to use".


I'm trying to find "system preferences" that Tim is talking about and I do have 
my username and password at hand, if asked for them, but again, I cannot seem 
to find where I'm going.



Can someone tell me how to get to System Preferences on my Macbook and where I 
should type in any details that are asked of me.



Sorry once again guys for a lengthy message.



I'm hoping to get professional  help with my Macbook from SITE Glasgow shortly, 
which would sort out all of these problems but I feel that by trying to sort 
them out myself with your help will teach me how the Apple OS works.



Very best wishes.



Andy.

>From Scotland with Love.







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  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2018 3:41 PM
  Subject: Re: Further to earlier mail re playing audio content on my Mac


  Hi,


  Steve is spot on.  This message is not necessarily saying that you are not 
connected to the Internet, it is simply telling you that your login credentials 
for iCloud are not valid at the moment.  It is possible that the problem has 
happened because you actually are not connected to the Internet, which would 
mean that all you need to do is press VO-m-m to access the Extras menu, 
VO-right to the WiFi menu, VO-space on it to open the menu, then VO-down to 
your WiFi network, and finally press VO-space or return to connect to that WiFi 
network.  If you've never been connected to the network in the past, then 
you'll be asked for the password if one was set.  Enter the password and press 
return.  You are now connected to the Internet.  You would then be able to 
access FaceTime and such.


  If the connection to WiFi was already established, but this error message 
appeared anyway, then you'd need to enter the password in System Preferences to 
have it not continue bothering you.  This message was fairly common in El 
Capitan, especially when you didn't use your computer in a while.  There should 
be a button on this error message that will take you directly to the proper 
pane of System Preferences, which is the Internet Accounts pane.  If it does 
not straight away ask you for your iCloud password, then you may need to press 
the Sign Out button then the Sign In button.  I would suggest that this iCloud 
is likely your Apple ID, so you will need to enter the username and password 
for your Apple ID to allow the MacOS to access iCloud services.  As a matter of 
interest, although I don't necessarily recommend it, you could press the 
"Later" button in this error dialog and go on your merry way.  That is, you don 
not need to be signed into these services in order to access FaceTime or 
iMessages.  You can simply open those apps specifically, enter your Apple ID 
and password and they are ready to use.


  HTH.


  Later...


  Tim Kilburn
  Apple Teacher
  Fort McMurray, AB Canada


  On Apr 16, 2018, at 18:22, Steve Matzura <numb.

Re: Further to earlier mail re playing audio content on my Mac

['andy' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Anne.

Thanks for your offer of help but after three days banging my head, I've 
decided to turn the Mac off and walk away for a spell.

I just seem to be making matters worse, left to my own devices.

I've recently arranged one-to-one training from a blind Apple user who is 
employed by SITE Glasgow, but he will not be able to make an appointment for a 
week or so.

He's only a young guy and fantastic with my Macbook.  He made it look so easy, 
hahaha.

I think I'll just have a break for a spell and perhaps get your help if it 
would not be any bother, later.  I'll hold onto your message.

You know Anne, this is a great list.  I've had offers of help from Newzeland, 
America, London and now France.  Howe's that!


Very best wishes.

Andy.
>From Scotland with Love.

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  From: Anne Robertson 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2018 7:40 PM
  Subject: Re: Further to earlier mail re playing audio content on my Mac


  Hello Andy,


  I’m in France and I have free phone calls to the UK, so if you’d like me to 
help you by phone, e-mail me at:
  a...@anarchie.org.uk
  and give me your fixed phone number and I’ll try to get you online.
  Cheers,


  Anne






On 15 Apr 2018, at 20:17, 'andy' via MacVisionaries 
<macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:


Hi Simon, Andrew, others and Steve.

Thankyou all for offering me your help with Skype or facebook or by email, 
in respect to helping me play audio content on my Mac.


One of the big attractions for me to get a Macbook was because I could talk 
with my family in Sydney and Canada by using Facetime.

Unfortunately, I've not progressed far enough to set these facilities up.

The main reason is that I cannot connect to the internet on my Macbook.

Other devices such as my Iphone, my Wife's Dell lap-top and my Window 7 
computer are all coping with the wired or wy fy facilities of my roughter, so 
the problems I am having lay within my Macbook.

Here is what is happening.

When I boot up my Macbook and after the standard introduction, I get the 
following message:

"Application Alert - System Dialogue -  - This Mac cannot connect to Icloud 
 because of a problem with meikle.ai...@btinternet.com". "Open System 
Preferences of Icloud to fix this problem"


So obviously I'm not on-line and before I can go further in my learning 
with music, I really need to be able to resolve this.

Despite several attempts at going into System Preferences, I just end up in 
a maize.

You see, I simply don't have the knowledge or skills to mess around in 
there.

If this makes my position a little clearer, then that's great and I'd 
welcome any advice.

I have however managed to get one-to one help from SITE Glasgow shortly but 
because I'm going to be on holiday for a week, I cannot get this support for a 
few weeks.

I was actually thinking of taking my Macbook to Spain with me on holiday 
and spend most evenings going through, Janet Ingber's wonderful book.

Perhaps I may well yet.  I go on holiday on 21 May for 1 week, so perhaps I 
can resolve this issue befor then.

Very best wishes and thanks again for your on-going support.

    Very best wishes.

Andy.
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Further to earlier mail re playing audio content on my Mac

['andy' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Simon, Andrew, others and Steve.

Thankyou all for offering me your help with Skype or facebook or by email, in 
respect to helping me play audio content on my Mac.


One of the big attractions for me to get a Macbook was because I could talk 
with my family in Sydney and Canada by using Facetime.

Unfortunately, I've not progressed far enough to set these facilities up.

The main reason is that I cannot connect to the internet on my Macbook.

Other devices such as my Iphone, my Wife's Dell lap-top and my Window 7 
computer are all coping with the wired or wy fy facilities of my roughter, so 
the problems I am having lay within my Macbook.

Here is what is happening.

When I boot up my Macbook and after the standard introduction, I get the 
following message:

"Application Alert - System Dialogue -  - This Mac cannot connect to Icloud  
because of a problem with meikle.ai...@btinternet.com". "Open System 
Preferences of Icloud to fix this problem"


So obviously I'm not on-line and before I can go further in my learning with 
music, I really need to be able to resolve this.

Despite several attempts at going into System Preferences, I just end up in a 
maize.

You see, I simply don't have the knowledge or skills to mess around in there.

If this makes my position a little clearer, then that's great and I'd welcome 
any advice.

I have however managed to get one-to one help from SITE Glasgow shortly but 
because I'm going to be on holiday for a week, I cannot get this support for a 
few weeks.

I was actually thinking of taking my Macbook to Spain with me on holiday and 
spend most evenings going through, Janet Ingber's wonderful book.

Perhaps I may well yet.  I go on holiday on 21 May for 1 week, so perhaps I can 
resolve this issue befor then.

Very best wishes and thanks again for your on-going support.

Very best wishes.

Andy.
>From Scotland with Love.

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Further to my question about playing external audio files on my Macbook

['andy' via MacVisionaries]

Hi all.

Thanks to everyone who has written to offer me some help with this learning 
curve, of playing media files on my Macbook.


Unfortunately, it seems that I have multiple issues going on at the moment and 
this is perhaps why I'm experiencing all these other problems with my Macbook.


For you who have written to me, I've saved your messages and plan to be able to 
return to them after these other problems can be resolved.

Perhaps my biggest problem is that I live on the West Coast of Scotland, some 
55 miles north of Glasgow and my nearest VI tech guy.

I cannot get him to visit my home, because he has a standard guide dog, 
whereas, I have a specially trained off-road guide dog that can cope with my 
rural environment as well as the streets of a busy Glasgow, so I'm obliged to 
make an appointment , visit him and secure his support  and get help, before I 
can even think of playing media files.

One of my initial problems is an announcement saying something like "This 
computer cannot connect to Cloud because of a problem with your btinternet.com 
account"!  I've noticed this same message a couple of miles away in my local 
bar, though thought that it was simply attempting to connect with my Roughter 
in my house and I was 2 miles away.


There is no way that I can even begin to sort this out so need to get that 
sorted before progressing to playing media files.

So my next plan is to secure this help in the hope that my problems can be 
resolved away from my home.

I did get all devices set up in Icloud months ago, so perhaps if the problems 
can be resolved on my Macbook, then my Imac will just pick these up.

So for the meantime guys, I'll have to disappear for a while but I will keep 
your files and hopefully be able to have a go at playing media files on my 
Apple equipment later.
.

Thanks again for your patience and support.

Very best wishes.

Andy.
>From Scotland with Love.

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Re: Playing audio media on my Macbook

['andy' via MacVisionaries]

Hi again Anne.

Please forgive me if I'm not quite with you at this moment.

You say "If it doesn’t, press Cmd-comma to open Finder Preferences"

I'm listening to a tutorial to Voice over by mr Jon Pan, who starts off by 
describing the mac keyboard layout and he is saying that from the bottom left, 
of a macbook for example, the keys are as follows:

FN: function key; Control key, then followed by the Option key, then Command 
key, just before the spacebar.

John does not talk about CMD.

Obviously, you are referring to the VO keys, but surely it should be 
Control,Option and finally command!
Or does CMD refer to keys 2,3 and 4 on the bottom left?

If this is the case, then CMD plus comma is Control, option and command and 
whilst these are depressed, press the comma key?

Sorry for appearing such an idiot, but I think I may have grasped the meaning 
of your  keystroke.

Am I correct and can I give it a go.

Very best wishes.

Andy.



 an
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  From: Anne Robertson 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 11:54 AM
  Subject: Re: Playing audio media on my Macbook


  Hello Andy,
  First of all, when you plug in your thumb drive, it should show up on your 
desktop. If it doesn’t, press Cmd-comma to open Finder Preferences. Interact 
with the tool bar and select General. Stop interacting and navigate right to 
Show these items on the desktop: then check the four checkboxes that you find 
by navigating right.
  Press Cmd-w to close the Preferences. Your thumb drive should now appear on 
your desk top.
  Cheers,


  Anne





On 12 Apr 2018, at 11:48, 'andy' via MacVisionaries 
<macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:


Hi all.

In brief, I'm a very determined and apparently reluctant learning of the 
Apple operating system.

I've been using windows since Dos 3.1 and like many people, I am afraid of 
this new system.

I Purchased a 27 Imac and a Macbook pro about 2 years ago and have hardly 
moved in my learning.

Despite buying a great book, titled, Janet Ingber - Everything You Need to 
Know to Use the Mac , I cannot get the motivation to "Use the mac"!

My fingers tremble at my Macbook and I'm so afraid of doing something 
wrong, I'm paralysed.

So I'm thinking that I should try something really simple.

I'm addicted by the way to talking books, so lets look at that  as a method 
to break the ice.

I've placed the above book on a thumb drive but every time I plug it into 
my Macbook, absolutely nothing happens, so I cannot access this media.

On a Windows computer I'm asked "What do you want your computer to do?".

So if anyone can tell me how to access a thumb drive and be able to go 
through some of the easy chapters of this book then listen to them, it may be 
enough to finally break my spirit and get me started, hahaha.

Sorry guys for the long message but I'm sure you have all heard it before.

Very best wishes.

Andy.
From Scotland with Love.



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Re: Playing audio media on my Macbook

['andy' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Anne.

Thank you for responding so quickly and for giving me my home-work for tonight! 
 Ha!

Very best wishes.

Andy.

>From Scotland with Love.
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  Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 11:54 AM
  Subject: Re: Playing audio media on my Macbook


  Hello Andy,
  First of all, when you plug in your thumb drive, it should show up on your 
desktop. If it doesn’t, press Cmd-comma to open Finder Preferences. Interact 
with the tool bar and select General. Stop interacting and navigate right to 
Show these items on the desktop: then check the four checkboxes that you find 
by navigating right.
  Press Cmd-w to close the Preferences. Your thumb drive should now appear on 
your desk top.
  Cheers,


  Anne





On 12 Apr 2018, at 11:48, 'andy' via MacVisionaries 
<macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:


Hi all.

In brief, I'm a very determined and apparently reluctant learning of the 
Apple operating system.

I've been using windows since Dos 3.1 and like many people, I am afraid of 
this new system.

I Purchased a 27 Imac and a Macbook pro about 2 years ago and have hardly 
moved in my learning.

Despite buying a great book, titled, Janet Ingber - Everything You Need to 
Know to Use the Mac , I cannot get the motivation to "Use the mac"!

My fingers tremble at my Macbook and I'm so afraid of doing something 
wrong, I'm paralysed.

So I'm thinking that I should try something really simple.

I'm addicted by the way to talking books, so lets look at that  as a method 
to break the ice.

I've placed the above book on a thumb drive but every time I plug it into 
my Macbook, absolutely nothing happens, so I cannot access this media.

On a Windows computer I'm asked "What do you want your computer to do?".

So if anyone can tell me how to access a thumb drive and be able to go 
through some of the easy chapters of this book then listen to them, it may be 
enough to finally break my spirit and get me started, hahaha.

Sorry guys for the long message but I'm sure you have all heard it before.

    Very best wishes.

Andy.
From Scotland with Love.



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Playing audio media on my Macbook

['andy' via MacVisionaries]

Hi all.

In brief, I'm a very determined and apparently reluctant learning of the Apple 
operating system.

I've been using windows since Dos 3.1 and like many people, I am afraid of this 
new system.

I Purchased a 27 Imac and a Macbook pro about 2 years ago and have hardly moved 
in my learning.

Despite buying a great book, titled, Janet Ingber - Everything You Need to Know 
to Use the Mac , I cannot get the motivation to "Use the mac"!

My fingers tremble at my Macbook and I'm so afraid of doing something wrong, 
I'm paralysed.

So I'm thinking that I should try something really simple.

I'm addicted by the way to talking books, so lets look at that  as a method to 
break the ice.

I've placed the above book on a thumb drive but every time I plug it into my 
Macbook, absolutely nothing happens, so I cannot access this media.

On a Windows computer I'm asked "What do you want your computer to do?".

So if anyone can tell me how to access a thumb drive and be able to go through 
some of the easy chapters of this book then listen to them, it may be enough to 
finally break my spirit and get me started, hahaha.

Sorry guys for the long message but I'm sure you have all heard it before.

Very best wishes.

Andy.
>From Scotland with Love.

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Re: wi fi headphones for my Macbook Pro

['andy' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Anders.

B and W are indeed lovely speakers as I have a pair of outdoor wall-mounted 
ones.  But I'm hoping to identify suitable Bluetooth headphones as I already 
have two very nice wired sets.

Not sure yet if I should go with Boes or Senhizer, so I'm waiting on some 
recommendations.


Very best wishes.

Andy.
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  From: Anders Holmberg 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2018 4:10 PM
  Subject: Re: wi fi headphones for my Macbook Pro


  Hi!
  I have a pair of wired headphones from B
  They were quite expensive but they’re really good sounding.
  THey’re called B P7.
  THey are foldable and fits in my jacket.
  /A



1 mars 2018 kl. 09:51 skrev 'andy' via MacVisionaries 
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Hi Simon.  These Ear you are talking about.  Do you not have to stick them 
inside your ear cavity and what do you do if you drop one and cannot find it?

I think I'd be much happyer with a pair of good quality folding headphones 
as long as they were light and small in size, not huge cans.

I think I'll start looking for either Senhizer or Boes.

Thanks for responding.

Very best wishes.

    Andy.
From Scotland with Love.





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  From: Simon Fogarty
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2018 5:12 AM
  Subject: RE: wi fi headphones for my Macbook Pro


      Hi Andy,

  The apple earpods would be an option, that is the wireless earpods which 
apple brought out a year or so ago.

  I have these for my phone and think they’re pretty good sound and a great 
size.

  I also have a pair of boes Bluetooth headphones which are over the head
  They are bulkier than the earpods but again great sound and both 
Bluetooth and wired if needed.

  The apple earpods fit in to a little plastic box about 30mm * 40mm * 15mm 
and charge with a standard usb to lighting cable 


  From: 'andy' via MacVisionaries [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
  Sent: Wednesday, 28 February 2018 11:42 PM
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  Subject: wi fi headphones for my Macbook Pro

  Hi all.

  When in a pub or cafe trying to get used to my 2014 Macbook Pro, I am 
very much aware of the voice-over sounds around me whichenables others to pay 
attention in what I'm doing.

  I'm soon to visit the Apple store in Glasgow for help with an Iphone and 
was wondering if I could possible also purchase a pair of small comfortable 
wireless headphones and get them paired to my Macbook.

  Never having had such an item, I'm not sure of what to ask for and how 
much I'd likely have to pay.

  Any advice including brand recommendations and pairing would help me a 
lot.

  Thanks.

  Very best wishes.

  Andy.
  From Scotland with Love.
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Re: wi fi headphones for my Macbook Pro

['andy' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Simon.  These Ear you are talking about.  Do you not have to stick them 
inside your ear cavity and what do you do if you drop one and cannot find it?

I think I'd be much happyer with a pair of good quality folding headphones as 
long as they were light and small in size, not huge cans.

I think I'll start looking for either Senhizer or Boes.

Thanks for responding.

Very best wishes.

Andy.
>From Scotland with Love.





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  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2018 5:12 AM
  Subject: RE: wi fi headphones for my Macbook Pro


  Hi Andy,

   

  The apple earpods would be an option, that is the wireless earpods which 
apple brought out a year or so ago.

   

  I have these for my phone and think they’re pretty good sound and a great 
size.

   

  I also have a pair of boes Bluetooth headphones which are over the head

  They are bulkier than the earpods but again great sound and both Bluetooth 
and wired if needed.

   

  The apple earpods fit in to a little plastic box about 30mm * 40mm * 15mm and 
charge with a standard usb to lighting cable 

   

   

  From: 'andy' via MacVisionaries [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
  Sent: Wednesday, 28 February 2018 11:42 PM
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  Subject: wi fi headphones for my Macbook Pro

   

  Hi all.

   

  When in a pub or cafe trying to get used to my 2014 Macbook Pro, I am very 
much aware of the voice-over sounds around me whichenables others to pay 
attention in what I'm doing.

   

  I'm soon to visit the Apple store in Glasgow for help with an Iphone and was 
wondering if I could possible also purchase a pair of small comfortable 
wireless headphones and get them paired to my Macbook.

   

  Never having had such an item, I'm not sure of what to ask for and how much 
I'd likely have to pay.

   

  Any advice including brand recommendations and pairing would help me a lot.

   

  Thanks.

   

  Very best wishes.

   

  Andy.

  From Scotland with Love.

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Re: wi fi headphones for my Macbook Pro

['andy' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Alex.

Thanks for all the information you have provided but ear-buds are not for me 
I'm thinking.  I'd be afraid of loosing one of them and I don't wish to prevent 
friends in a pub from talking to me.

My favourite headphones are Senhiezer, pardon the spelling, and they are about 
£55.00 but have a cable, but they are of a high quality and fold up into a 
pocket.

I just thought that perhaps cable-less phones would be the way to go and I take 
your point about referring to them as £"Bluetooth" headphones.

You've given me much to consider so thanks very much for your help.

Very best wishes.

Andy.
>From Scotland with Love.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Alex Hall 
  To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2018 12:19 PM
  Subject: Re: wi fi headphones for my Macbook Pro


  For the record, you're looking for bluetooth headphone, not wifi. Just so 
your interactions with sales people go more smoothly.


  As to which to buy, that depends on a number of factors. Apple's AirPods are 
quite popular, and will pair with your iPhone automatically. Once paired, you 
can use them on your Mac with no additional pairing needed. They sound good and 
don't even have a cable connecting the two earbuds, letting you keep them in a 
small case (which also charges them) in your pocket without fear of cables 
getting crimped or tangled. However, they don't block out ambient noise, and 
their onboard playback controls are very limited compared to others.


  There are tons of other options. Earbuds, over-ear headphones, and more, all 
bluetooth. Some block a lot of sound rather like earplugs, others don't. Some 
have a cords, others don't. Some have great playback controls, some have less, 
some have none. Some are $25, some are then times that. Honestly, the best 
thing to do is to look online for recent bluetooth earbuds reviews and find 
some you really like, always assuming you don't just go for the AirPods. 
Incidentally, rumor has it that new AirPods will be released this year, so if 
you want some, you might want to get a cheap pair of earbuds and wait to see if 
AirPods get updated.


  --
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On Feb 28, 2018, at 05:41, 'andy' via MacVisionaries 
<macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:


Hi all.

When in a pub or cafe trying to get used to my 2014 Macbook Pro, I am very 
much aware of the voice-over sounds around me whichenables others to pay 
attention in what I'm doing.

I'm soon to visit the Apple store in Glasgow for help with an Iphone and 
was wondering if I could possible also purchase a pair of small comfortable 
wireless headphones and get them paired to my Macbook.

Never having had such an item, I'm not sure of what to ask for and how much 
I'd likely have to pay.

Any advice including brand recommendations and pairing would help me a lot.

Thanks.

Very best wishes.

Andy.
From Scotland with Love.


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wi fi headphones for my Macbook Pro

['andy' via MacVisionaries]

Hi all.

When in a pub or cafe trying to get used to my 2014 Macbook Pro, I am very much 
aware of the voice-over sounds around me whichenables others to pay attention 
in what I'm doing.

I'm soon to visit the Apple store in Glasgow for help with an Iphone and was 
wondering if I could possible also purchase a pair of small comfortable 
wireless headphones and get them paired to my Macbook.

Never having had such an item, I'm not sure of what to ask for and how much I'd 
likely have to pay.

Any advice including brand recommendations and pairing would help me a lot.

Thanks.

Very best wishes.

Andy.
>From Scotland with Love.

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Re: Adding a WI Fi code into my macbook

[andy]

Thanks Alex.

Now this is a fantastic excuse to visit all of my local pubs over the next day, 
to put in their codes.  Boy what a neucense this will be.  Haha.

Thanks Alex.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Alex Hall 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, December 08, 2017 11:55 AM
  Subject: Re: Adding a WI Fi code into my macbook


  1. Press vo-m twice quickly. I find it easiest to press vo-m, then hit m a 
second time while still holding the VO key. This will take you to the status 
menus, where wifi is. This is also where you check time, battery status 
bluetooth, etc, and access menus for things like bluetooth, Dropbox, and more.


  2. Vo-right to the wifi item and vo-space. Wait a moment for the Mac to find 
all the nearby wifi networks, then vo-down to the network you want. Vo-space on 
it.


  3. After a few seconds, the Mac will pop up a dialog saying that the network 
requires a password. You should be on the password field already, so just type 
the password and hit enter. If it works, you'll be online. If it fails, the 
dialog will appear again and you can re-type the password. Good luck.


  Sent from my iPhone

  On Dec 8, 2017, at 06:46, andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com> wrote:


Hi all.

I'm getting used to using my Macbook now, so much so that I'm ready to 
start learning about Mail.

I visit my local hotel  most days at lunchtime for a burger, so wish to 
take that opportunity to continue my learning of the Mac OS.

The Hotel's WI FI code is "kilcreggan1" .

Can anyone tell me the steps in adding this to my Macbook please, as all 
staff seem to be Windows users and of no help.

Very best wishes.

Andy.
From Scotland with Love.


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Adding a WI Fi code into my macbook

[andy]

Hi all.

I'm getting used to using my Macbook now, so much so that I'm ready to start 
learning about Mail.

I visit my local hotel  most days at lunchtime for a burger, so wish to take 
that opportunity to continue my learning of the Mac OS.

The Hotel's WI FI code is "kilcreggan1" .

Can anyone tell me the steps in adding this to my Macbook please, as all staff 
seem to be Windows users and of no help.

Very best wishes.

Andy.
>From Scotland with Love.

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Editing and managing WAV files on a Macbook Pro

[andy]

Hi all.

It appears that I've opened a tin of worms with this one as within a couple of 
hours, I've received about 6 responses with loads of fantastic ideas and advice.

So it is clear to me, I did not invent audio recording for the blind!  Haha.

For those who responded, I'll give your advice a great deal of consideration 
and may well get back to yoou or the list later, responding to your opinions.

One of the members asked a very basic question and I should have considered 
this more before wrighting to the list in the first place .  He said:

"Tell us what you are trying to achieve on your Macbook".

It's clear that I should have explained myself better in my original message so 
I'll try to do this now to let you know what I'm actually looking for.

Most of the responses were concerning Multy Track recording functions on a 
desk-top device, with Mixers and multy inputs and microphones and using 
expensive software like pro tools and garage band etc.  This is a dream of 
course, but not what I'm about at this time.
I wish I could get in to this, really I do, but it's way above my abilities.

First let me tell you how I record an event:

I have a Zoom H6 multy track digital hand held recorder.  Neal Ewas considers 
this device to be the best recorder, at it's price, that he has ever come 
across, and that's saying something, coming from Neal.

It has 6 quarter inch XLR microphone inputs and is shipped with two clip in 
microphone types.  One is an X Y microphone and the other is is called 
something like a left side mic.

Both of these microphone modules clip onto the front of the Zoom.

They  do a great job and I've never considered buying an additional 4 Sure 
microphones for the quarter inch inputs.

The device is recording at 24 bit  196 KLHZ  WAVe Format which has been 
considered by some to be at the blue Ray range.  So that's great.  The quality 
is fantastic and I can go from pub to pub or community centers and record an 
event.

When I get home, I plug the Zoom into my computer and copy all the files into 
my music folder.

Then I run goldwave; double the volume, Maximise the volume and chop it up.

I then delete the files I have chopped off, then using Nero, burn the recording 
onto a CD and Flash drive.

This is all I'm wanting to do within my macbook pro.

I think now that Pro tools is really for the professional musician as is Garage 
band, though 


Phil advised me to consider Amadeus pro  and to get a hold of Jonathan Mosen'S 
tutorials called Amadeus maestro, as this was roughly similar to Goldwave.

Jonathan is a great guy who knows what he is talking about, so for now, I'll 
follow phills advice and leave the more technical stuff to the guys who 
actually know what they are doing.  Haha.

Thanks very much for all your responses and if I was 20 years younger I'd 
follow your advice and become a professional, but alas?  hahah.

Very best wishes.

Andy.

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Re: Editing and managing WAV files, using voiceover on a Mac

[andy]

Hi Chuck.

Pro Tools is a whole new environment and like you say, with multiple 
microphones of various types.

Check out the Zoom H6, 6 track portable digital recorder.

I purchased it about two years ago and I'm managing to keep my head above 
water, recording in Blue Ray format, with a device that can fit in my pocket.

While you are at it, check out the Zoom, 7,8 and I think 10.

We are now getting into real money now and you would need to seek the opinion 
of Mr Neal Ewares, concerning the quality.

I suppose if pro tools is accessible on, for example, a macbook pro, then 
that's a different question.  If only.  But I think that pro tools is too large 
a learning tool for me.

Very interesting stuff, nevertheless, eh, for us blind guys, being able to do 
this in any case!

Very best wishes.

Andy.

>From Scotland with Love. 
  - Original Message - 
  From: CHUCK REICHEL 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2017 5:41 PM
  Subject: Re: Editing and managing WAV files, using voiceover on a Mac


  Hi,
   
  Note that local bands and choirs are the recording requirement.
  These are multitrack most of the time and or several pairs of microphones.
  Thats why I suggested Avid pro tools.
  I've used all those other apps and there is NO! comparison to the ease of Pro 
tools 12.8.2  for a real world situation.
  Talk soon
  Chuck


  On Dec 6, 2017, at 11:12 AM, Nektarios Mallas wrote:


Hi Andy. 
If you only need to record process and manage stereo recordings and some 
multi track capabilities, I think that your best bet is to use Amadeus pro. 
If you need more advanced stuff such as recording multi track to your mac 
through a good quality audio interface etc, then you could use ither garage 
band or logic pro X. 
If you can be more specific about what you want to do, we can help you 
better. 


nektarios. 




  On 6 Dec 2017, at 13:34, andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com> wrote:


  Hi all.

  Since losing my vision, my interests have moved from Photography to Audio 
recording.

  Using the Windows platform and Goldwave alongside a high end digital 
recorder, I do a lot of work for local bands and quires and such.

  Now that I'm finally getting into my Mac, I wish to start using Garage 
Band with Voiceover for doing all the work my Windows machines were doing.

  I know there are loads of musicians out their with low vision, so 
assuming they may be recording their work, I thought I'd ask the list  if 
Voiceover using Garage band was possible.

  Thanks.

  Very best wishes.

  Andy.
  From Scotland with Love.


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Editing and managing WAV files, using voiceover on a Mac

[andy]

Hi all.

Since losing my vision, my interests have moved from Photography to Audio 
recording.

Using the Windows platform and Goldwave alongside a high end digital recorder, 
I do a lot of work for local bands and quires and such.

Now that I'm finally getting into my Mac, I wish to start using Garage Band 
with Voiceover for doing all the work my Windows machines were doing.

I know there are loads of musicians out their with low vision, so assuming they 
may be recording their work, I thought I'd ask the list  if Voiceover using 
Garage band was possible.

Thanks.

Very best wishes.

Andy.
>From Scotland with Love.

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My Macbook and Image Graphic Image problem now resolved

[Andy]

Hi guys.

Just to let all you folks , who reached out to help me with my recent Graphic 
Image problem, that the problem has now been resolved.

So this is just a big thank you from Scotland, from a very grateful list member.

Very best wishes.

Andy.
>From Scotland with Love.

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Re: Imac and Macbook Pro problem

[Andy]

Hi Tim.

It doesn't make sense but I'll try it.

CMD is, however, pressing the delete key when I hear the announcement???  Is 
this what you mean???

Andy.



So when I get the image and the audio announcement I simply do this:


  - Original Message - 
  From: Tim Kilburn 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 5:58 PM
  Subject: Re: Imac and Macbook Pro problem


  Hi Andy,


  It sounds to me like there is a mostly empty Desktop, with one Screen Shot 
file located on the Desktop.  The mountain range is immaterial to this, other 
than it being a nice scene for your wife or other sighted person to view.  The 
reason it just goes ding ding when you attempt to navigate around the Desktop 
is due to the fact that there is only the one file.  So, as you try to 
navigate, there is actually nowhere to go.  If that screen shot is of no value 
to you, then just move it to the Trash by pressing cmd-Delete when the file is 
selected.  You will then have a totally blank Desktop.  VO will still make the 
ding noise when you're on the Desktop,as there is nothing there to announce the 
presence of.  You can then use regular VO navigation commands to open items 
from the Dock, or go up to the menubar  etc.


  Hope this makes sense.


  Later...


  Tim Kilburn
  Fort McMurray, AB Canada 


  On Dec 4, 2017, at 09:40, Andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com> wrote:


  Hi Tim and John.

  Thanks for your advice.

  Putting the password question to one side for a moment, as it's not really 
all that of an inconvenience, to have to sign into my computer on boot-up.

  Concerning the mountain range desktop background, this does make sence to me, 
as I upgraded both devices yesterday, when they both were using El Capitan, I 
suppose I can live with it being a total.  However, this does not explaine the 
following message when the image appears:

  "LW  Screenshot
  Portable network graphic image


  You are currently on a Portable Graphic Network Image."."

  Voice over does not tell you how to respond to this message as voice over 
normally does with other things and I cannot do anything to move away, such as 
Command W or Q or escape.
  .



  I don't think that all High Seera users are hearing this through Voice over 
as John would have recognised it.  But it does refer to a Graphic Image, so I 
don't know.

  I only wish I could get rid of it, or better have no desktop background image 
at all, if this is what is causing this message.

  What do you guys think I can do?

  Very best wishes.

  Andy.
  From Scotland with Love.









   - Original Message - 
From: Tim Kilburn
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2017 10:45 PM
Subject: Re: Imac and Macbook Pro problem


Hi,


The mountain scene is the High Sierra Desktop background/wall paper, so, 
yes, you're on the Desktop of the Mac.  Regarding the requirement of entering 
your password upon restart, that can be changed, but I highly discourage that.  
It is a minor inconvenience that allows for a small layer of security.  For 
example, if your house was unlawfully entered and your Mac was stolen, having 
no password at all upon starting your Mac makes it very simple for the culprit 
to gain access to all sorts of your personal information that is stored on the 
Mac.  Just that one password makes it a problem.  For real good security, there 
are many more steps you could take, but this little one is the foundation and 
is a good start.


I'll get off the soap-box now.


Later...


Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada 


On Dec 3, 2017, at 13:07, andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com> wrote:


Hi again John.

I got my wife to view the Image  and she advises that the whole screen has 
a mounting scene on it, like a windows desk-top background image.

Voice over still announced the description I mentioned in my previous 
message.

I did a VO left arrow and it went away, and so did my wife to her bed 
unfortunately, so no more help from her this evening

She did say that it was asking me for a password as well.

It seems that both my Imac and Mackbook Pro desire me to sign in every time 
I restart the computers, which is a pain.

I'll have another go tomorrow to see if I can get any more information.

Thanks for your assistance.

Very best wishes.

Andy.
From Scotland with Love.

  - Original Message - 
  From: John Panarese
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2017 5:29 PM
  Subject: Re: Imac and Macbook Pro problem


 I can't see FaceTime causing a problem like this. I am not sure what 
the portable network graphic could be. Do you have a pair of eyes available to 
tell you what it's asking you?



  Take Care

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  Director
  Mac for the Blind
  Tel, (631) 724-4479
  Email, j...@macfo

Re: Imac and Macbook Pro problem

[Andy]

Hi Tim and John.

Thanks for your advice.

Putting the password question to one side for a moment, as it's not really all 
that of an inconvenience, to have to sign into my computer on boot-up.

Concerning the mountain range desktop background, this does make sence to me, 
as I upgraded both devices yesterday, when they both were using El Capitan, I 
suppose I can live with it being a total.  However, this does not explaine the 
following message when the image appears:

"LW  Screenshot
Portable network graphic image


You are currently on a Portable Graphic Network Image."."

Voice over does not tell you how to respond to this message as voice over 
normally does with other things and I cannot do anything to move away, such as 
Command W or Q or escape.
.



I don't think that all High Seera users are hearing this through Voice over as 
John would have recognised it.  But it does refer to a Graphic Image, so I 
don't know.

I only wish I could get rid of it, or better have no desktop background image 
at all, if this is what is causing this message.

What do you guys think I can do?

Very best wishes.

Andy.
>From Scotland with Love.









 - Original Message - 
  From: Tim Kilburn 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2017 10:45 PM
  Subject: Re: Imac and Macbook Pro problem


  Hi,


  The mountain scene is the High Sierra Desktop background/wall paper, so, yes, 
you're on the Desktop of the Mac.  Regarding the requirement of entering your 
password upon restart, that can be changed, but I highly discourage that.  It 
is a minor inconvenience that allows for a small layer of security.  For 
example, if your house was unlawfully entered and your Mac was stolen, having 
no password at all upon starting your Mac makes it very simple for the culprit 
to gain access to all sorts of your personal information that is stored on the 
Mac.  Just that one password makes it a problem.  For real good security, there 
are many more steps you could take, but this little one is the foundation and 
is a good start.


  I'll get off the soap-box now.


  Later...


  Tim Kilburn
  Fort McMurray, AB Canada 


  On Dec 3, 2017, at 13:07, andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com> wrote:


  Hi again John.

  I got my wife to view the Image  and she advises that the whole screen has a 
mounting scene on it, like a windows desk-top background image.

  Voice over still announced the description I mentioned in my previous message.

  I did a VO left arrow and it went away, and so did my wife to her bed 
unfortunately, so no more help from her this evening

  She did say that it was asking me for a password as well.

  It seems that both my Imac and Mackbook Pro desire me to sign in every time I 
restart the computers, which is a pain.

  I'll have another go tomorrow to see if I can get any more information.

  Thanks for your assistance.

  Very best wishes.

  Andy.
  From Scotland with Love.

- Original Message - 
From: John Panarese
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2017 5:29 PM
Subject: Re: Imac and Macbook Pro problem


   I can't see FaceTime causing a problem like this. I am not sure what the 
portable network graphic could be. Do you have a pair of eyes available to tell 
you what it's asking you?



Take Care

John D. Panarese
Director
Mac for the Blind
Tel, (631) 724-4479
Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com

APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer

AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE

MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT





  On Dec 3, 2017, at 12:27 PM, andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com> wrote:


  Hi Aleeha  and John.

  I did several VO left arrow commands and reached a box saying Close 
Graphic Image or something like that.

  I selected this with VO Spacebar and returned to the desktop, so I 
rebooted and the same old message came up on boot up.

  A reason for this problem is probably associated with me trying this 
morning, on my Macbook to make a Facetime contact with my Nephew in Australia.

  I must have done something wrong.  Any Ideas how to get rid of this 
please.

  Very best wishes.

  Andy.
  From Scotland with Love





  - Original Message - 
From: John Panarese
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2017 4:51 PM
Subject: Re: Imac and Macbook Pro problem


   It sounds like you are simply on your desktop unless this is some 
kind of new system message. Can you go to the Dock with VO-d or command-tab?



Take Care

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Director
Mac for the Blind
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Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com

APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer

A

Re: Imac and Macbook Pro problem

[andy]

Hi again John.

I got my wife to view the Image  and she advises that the whole screen has a 
mounting scene on it, like a windows desk-top background image.

Voice over still announced the description I mentioned in my previous message.

I did a VO left arrow and it went away, and so did my wife to her bed 
unfortunately, so no more help from her this evening

She did say that it was asking me for a password as well.

It seems that both my Imac and Mackbook Pro desire me to sign in every time I 
restart the computers, which is a pain.

I'll have another go tomorrow to see if I can get any more information.

Thanks for your assistance.

Very best wishes.

Andy.
>From Scotland with Love.

  - Original Message - 
  From: John Panarese 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2017 5:29 PM
  Subject: Re: Imac and Macbook Pro problem


 I can't see FaceTime causing a problem like this. I am not sure what the 
portable network graphic could be. Do you have a pair of eyes available to tell 
you what it's asking you?



  Take Care

  John D. Panarese
  Director
  Mac for the Blind
  Tel, (631) 724-4479
  Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
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On Dec 3, 2017, at 12:27 PM, andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com> wrote:


Hi Aleeha  and John.

I did several VO left arrow commands and reached a box saying Close Graphic 
Image or something like that.

I selected this with VO Spacebar and returned to the desktop, so I rebooted 
and the same old message came up on boot up.

A reason for this problem is probably associated with me trying this 
morning, on my Macbook to make a Facetime contact with my Nephew in Australia.

I must have done something wrong.  Any Ideas how to get rid of this please.

Very best wishes.

Andy.
From Scotland with Love





- Original Message - 
  From: John Panarese
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2017 4:51 PM
  Subject: Re: Imac and Macbook Pro problem


 It sounds like you are simply on your desktop unless this is some kind 
of new system message. Can you go to the Dock with VO-d or command-tab?



  Take Care

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On Dec 3, 2017, at 11:50 AM, andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com> wrote:


Hi all.

Just when I was coming to grips with my Macbook and Imac, after learing 
how to use Facetime, I got what I think was an upgrade.  This is because I've 
not used either device for some time.

Anyway, when I start both my Imack and my Macbook Pro, I'm getting the 
following message and Voice over does not tell me what to do about it.

Message:

LW  Screenshot
Portable network graphic image


You are currently on a Portable Graphic Network Image.


I don't know that the computer wishes me to do.


Any answers pleas.


Thanks.


Very best wishes.


Andy.
From Scotland with Love.




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Re: Imac and Macbook Pro problem

[andy]

Hi Aleeha  and John.

I did several VO left arrow commands and reached a box saying Close Graphic 
Image or something like that.

I selected this with VO Spacebar and returned to the desktop, so I rebooted and 
the same old message came up on boot up.

A reason for this problem is probably associated with me trying this morning, 
on my Macbook to make a Facetime contact with my Nephew in Australia.

I must have done something wrong.  Any Ideas how to get rid of this please.

Very best wishes.

Andy.
>From Scotland with Love





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  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2017 4:51 PM
  Subject: Re: Imac and Macbook Pro problem


 It sounds like you are simply on your desktop unless this is some kind of 
new system message. Can you go to the Dock with VO-d or command-tab?



  Take Care

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On Dec 3, 2017, at 11:50 AM, andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com> wrote:


Hi all.

Just when I was coming to grips with my Macbook and Imac, after learing how 
to use Facetime, I got what I think was an upgrade.  This is because I've not 
used either device for some time.

Anyway, when I start both my Imack and my Macbook Pro, I'm getting the 
following message and Voice over does not tell me what to do about it.

Message:

LW  Screenshot
Portable network graphic image


You are currently on a Portable Graphic Network Image.


I don't know that the computer wishes me to do.


Any answers pleas.


Thanks.


Very best wishes.


Andy.
From Scotland with Love.




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Imac and Macbook Pro problem

[andy]

Hi all.

Just when I was coming to grips with my Macbook and Imac, after learing how to 
use Facetime, I got what I think was an upgrade.  This is because I've not used 
either device for some time.

Anyway, when I start both my Imack and my Macbook Pro, I'm getting the 
following message and Voice over does not tell me what to do about it.

Message:

LW  Screenshot

Portable network graphic image



You are currently on a Portable Graphic Network Image.



I don't know that the computer wishes me to do.



Any answers pleas.



Thanks.



Very best wishes.



Andy.

>From Scotland with Love.


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Re: Facetime on my 2015 Macbook Pro

[andy]

Hi again Alex and Jonaphan.

Well, I had a go today on my Macbook pro and successfully facetimed my wife on 
her Iphone.

It was very easy and now I wonder why I was just so afraid to try it.

Thanks to you guys, I'm feeling quite confident with Facetime now.

My next task is to do the same on my Imac 27.  I think it should work, just as 
easily.

Thanks again for your assistance.

Very best wishes.

Andy.
>From Scotland with Love.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Alex Hall 
  To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
  Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2017 12:12 AM
  Subject: Re: Facetime on my 2015 Macbook Pro


  Just so you know, you can make audio calls to other FaceTime users, again, 
like Skype. Phone calls have to be audio, but pure FaceTime calls don't have to 
be video.


  If you have Siri on your Macs, which you should if you have 10.12 or newer, 
try telling Siri to "make a FaceTime call to contact", where "contact" is the 
name of the person or the phone number. You might have to delve into iOS' Phone 
settings first, I honestly don't remember. The good news is the whole process 
is accessible, so any guide online will be one you can follow if you're feeling 
confident with VO on your phone. As for the Mac, Siri should be enough to start 
your call, and if the other person ends it, you don't need to do anything. If 
they don't, just vo-left or vo-right until you find the "end call" button, then 
vo0space to press it.


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    On Dec 2, 2017, at 14:53, andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com> wrote:


Hi Alex and Jonathan.

Thankyou very much for explaining this to me.

I understand now that I can use Facetime on both my Macbook 2015 and my 
Imac 27.

As for making other, non video but regular calls on my Imac, by also using 
my Iphone.  I think I'll leave this for another day as I already get free 
telephone calls throughout the UK from my ISP.

In her book, Janet Ingber - Everything You Need to Know to Use the Mac 
explains in great detail how to do this second task, but unfortunately, she 
does not, in her book, explain how to use the Facetime facility, step by step, 
on a Macbook pro.

I'd love a step-by-step guide in just how to make a facetime call to Sydney 
Austrailia, by tomorrow morning as my Mother in law is staying with us this 
evening and she has just become a Grand-mother.

She's almost blind, hence my desire to do this on my Macbook, with it's 
larger screen, as opposed to my wife trying this on her little Iphone 4s, so my 
Mother in law may see her little Grand daughter.


Incidentaly, for members who do wish to make telephone calls on their Imac 
by incorporating the use of an Iphone, here is what Janet Ingber has to say 
about this.

... 
"Making and Receiving Phone Calls on Your Mac
If you use an iPhone, it is now possible to use your Mac as a speakerphone 
for both receiving and making calls from your Mac. Your iPhone must be running 
iOS 8.0 or later and your Mac must be using Mac 10.10, Yosemite or later. (El 
Capitan is the operating system after Yosemite, so the feature works with it.)
 
Set-Up
Both your Mac and iPhone need to be signed into the same iCloud Account and 
the same Apple ID. Bluetooth must be enabled on both devices and they must also 
be on the same Wi-Fi network.

* On the Mac, open FaceTime. If it’s on the Dock, do a one-finger 
double-tap. If you want to open it from the Applications folder, get to the 
Finder with Command-Tab. 
* Next, open Preferences with Command-, Tab to Settings, and if it’s not 
selected, select it with VO-Spacebar. 
* VO-Right Arrow to “iPhone Cellular Calls” and if that feature isn’t 
checked, check it with VO-Spacebar. On the iPhone, go to Settings/FaceTime and 
make sure iPhone Cellular Calls is checked.

By default, your Mac’s internal microphone is selected. You may decide to 
use an external microphone. This will improve the sound, but the Mac’s internal 
microphone does a fair job.

Making a Call from Your Mac

* Open FaceTime as described above.
* VO-Right Arrow to the Audio radio button and select it with VO-Spacebar.
* VO-Right Arrow to the edit box and enter the name, email address or phone 
number of the person you want to call.
* VO-Right Arrow to the results table and interact with VO-Spacebar. Locate 
the correct result and press the spacebar.
* A menu will appear. The first option refers to the iPhone and can be 
ignored. Go to the second option, which will be the number of the person you 
want to call. Press the Return key.
* Once you are done with your call, VO-End to the End button and select it.

Receiving a Call on Your Mac
The iPhone will start ringing a few seconds before the Mac makes its 
incoming call sound. If the caller has a custom ringtone, it doesn’t play on 
the Mac; you will hear the default tone. A FaceTime window will automatica

Re: Facetime on my 2015 Macbook Pro

[andy]

Hi Alex and Jonathan.

Thankyou very much for explaining this to me.

I understand now that I can use Facetime on both my Macbook 2015 and my Imac 27.

As for making other, non video but regular calls on my Imac, by also using my 
Iphone.  I think I'll leave this for another day as I already get free 
telephone calls throughout the UK from my ISP.

In her book, Janet Ingber - Everything You Need to Know to Use the Mac explains 
in great detail how to do this second task, but unfortunately, she does not, in 
her book, explain how to use the Facetime facility, step by step, on a Macbook 
pro.

I'd love a step-by-step guide in just how to make a facetime call to Sydney 
Austrailia, by tomorrow morning as my Mother in law is staying with us this 
evening and she has just become a Grand-mother.

She's almost blind, hence my desire to do this on my Macbook, with it's larger 
screen, as opposed to my wife trying this on her little Iphone 4s, so my Mother 
in law may see her little Grand daughter.


Incidentaly, for members who do wish to make telephone calls on their Imac by 
incorporating the use of an Iphone, here is what Janet Ingber has to say about 
this.

...
"Making and Receiving Phone Calls on Your Mac

If you use an iPhone, it is now possible to use your Mac as a speakerphone for 
both receiving and making calls from your Mac. Your iPhone must be running iOS 
8.0 or later and your Mac must be using Mac 10.10, Yosemite or later. (El 
Capitan is the operating system after Yosemite, so the feature works with it.)

 

Set-Up

Both your Mac and iPhone need to be signed into the same iCloud Account and the 
same Apple ID. Bluetooth must be enabled on both devices and they must also be 
on the same Wi-Fi network.

 

* On the Mac, open FaceTime. If it’s on the Dock, do a one-finger double-tap. 
If you want to open it from the Applications folder, get to the Finder with 
Command-Tab. 

* Next, open Preferences with Command-, Tab to Settings, and if it’s not 
selected, select it with VO-Spacebar. 

* VO-Right Arrow to “iPhone Cellular Calls” and if that feature isn’t checked, 
check it with VO-Spacebar. On the iPhone, go to Settings/FaceTime and make sure 
iPhone Cellular Calls is checked.

 

By default, your Mac’s internal microphone is selected. You may decide to use 
an external microphone. This will improve the sound, but the Mac’s internal 
microphone does a fair job.

 

Making a Call from Your Mac

 

* Open FaceTime as described above.

* VO-Right Arrow to the Audio radio button and select it with VO-Spacebar.

* VO-Right Arrow to the edit box and enter the name, email address or phone 
number of the person you want to call.

* VO-Right Arrow to the results table and interact with VO-Spacebar. Locate the 
correct result and press the spacebar.

* A menu will appear. The first option refers to the iPhone and can be ignored. 
Go to the second option, which will be the number of the person you want to 
call. Press the Return key.

* Once you are done with your call, VO-End to the End button and select it.

 

Receiving a Call on Your Mac

The iPhone will start ringing a few seconds before the Mac makes its incoming 
call sound. If the caller has a custom ringtone, it doesn’t play on the Mac; 
you will hear the default tone. A FaceTime window will automatically open and 
by default, you will be placed on the Accept button. Select the button with 
VO-Spacebar and start talking. When you are finished, VO-End to the End button.

 

Although the Mac doesn’t play custom ringtones, you can choose from several 
Apple ringtones for it. Open FaceTime Preferences and select the Settings tab. 
Next VO-Right Arrow to the Ringtone pop up menu and select a ringtone. No 
matter who calls, that is the ringtone that will play."



Hope people find this useful.



Thanks.



Very best wishes.



Andy.

>From Scotland with love.

 










  - Original Message - 
  From: Alex Hall 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2017 4:02 PM
  Subject: Re: Facetime on my 2015 Macbook Pro


  FaceTime works with other FaceTime users through the internet. If you call 
someone using FaceTime, you don't need your iPhone at all. It's like Skype 
calling, if you're familiar with that.


  If you want, though, you can also make regular phone calls with FaceTime. 
This requires your iPhone to be nearby. Some carriers offer wifi calling, which 
lets you use a Mac, iPad or other device to make regular phone calls without 
your iPhone present. Ask your carrier about wifi calling; if you have it, turn 
it on in iPhone settings > Phone, then your other Apple devices should ask you 
if you want to use it on them as well.


  --
  Alex Hall








On Dec 2, 2017, at 05:53, andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com> wrote:


Hi all.

I've loads of questions concerning this topic, so rather than wright a huge 
message, I'll try to deal with each in turn.

My Macbook 2015 has faceb

Facetime on my 2015 Macbook Pro

[andy]

Hi all.

I've loads of questions concerning this topic, so rather than wright a huge 
message, I'll try to deal with each in turn.

My Macbook 2015 has facebook on it.

I have a great book titled "Janet Ingber - Everything You Need to Know to Use 
the Mac" and I'm using this to learn how to use both my Macbook and my Imack 27.

Concerning facetime on the Macbook.  Can I use it to talk to my nephew  In 
Sydney without having to use my Iphone as well.  In other words, is the Macbook 
a stand alone device which will allow me access to facetime anywhere as long as 
I have an internet wi fi connection?

Thankyou.

Very best wishes.

Andy.
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Really OT but a pleasure

[Andy]

Hi all.

Off-topic message I'm afraid, but I met a guy from New Zealand here today, in 
Kilcreggan, Scotland.

He is over here with his family from the North Island and is spending time 
going around our country.

I told him that I knew several visually impaired people from his buitiful 
country, on this list and I'd pass on a message.

So here it is.

His name was dificult to gather as we were in a busy pup, but he said something 
like:

Ky1.dave


And asked me to pass on his regards to anyone who knew him.


Nice guy and a pleasure to meet.

Small world.

Very best wishes.

Andy.
>From Scotland with Love.
Not sure if this will mean anything to you guys, but I introduced him to a pint 
of Guiness and he bought one for me before I left.

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Re: Recomendations for books

[Andy]

Hi Dolories.

Same author for sure, but my book is titled "Janet Ingber - Everything You Need 
to Know to Use the Mac".  It's a great book, but nevertheless, I'll check out 
your book title also.

All the best with your learning.

Andy.

Very best wishes and kind regards
Andy Logue.
>From Scotland with love.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Dolores Myers 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Cc: Dolores Myers 
  Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2017 9:24 PM
  Subject: Re: Recomendations for books


  Hello Andy,


  I just purchased a book by Janet Ingber from the National Braille Press.  it 
is called Mac Basics for the Beginning User.  I really like  it.  I bought the 
braille copy so I can read it while trying things on the computer.   I’ve 
learned a lot from this book.  It will be a great reference tool for me.  I 
don’’t know if we are talking about the same book or not.
  Dolores 

On Aug 27, 2017, at 12:10 PM, Andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com> wrote:


Hi all.

In the past I've purchased 2 great books.  They may have been from either, 
the National Braille Press or American Printhouse for the Blind.  I can no 
longer rember.


The first book concerned my Iphone and was titled:
Getting Started with the iPhoneGetting Started with the iPhone
An Introduction for Blind Users
By Anna Dresner and Dean Martineau.

This was a great book and helped me a lot, back when I was using my Iphone 
4s.

I've since upgraded to the Iphone 6s and was wondering if there was a more 
recent title by these two authours which would be more appropriate for the 
Iphone 6s and subsequent upgrades to the operating system, since then.

My second book, which I'm studying at the moment is also a fantastic book.  
It concerns My Imac and my Macbook pro and is titled:

Janet Ingber - Everything You Need to Know to Use the Mac 


I'm loving this book so much that I hunger for more from this particular 
author.

If anyone knows a link where I can purchase such titles, as txt documents, 
I'd be delighted to know.

Thanks.

Very best wishes.
Andy.
From Scotland with Love.

 


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Re: Recomendations for books

[Andy]

Thanks Rhonda.

Andy.


Very best wishes and kind regards
Andy Logue.
>From Scotland with love.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Rhonda Partain 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2017 10:28 PM
  Subject: RE: Recomendations for books


  I think NBP National Braille press has an updated book.

  Go to nbp.org and check it out.

  Rhonda

   

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dolores Myers
  Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2017 4:25 PM
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  Cc: Dolores Myers <dmyer...@cfl.rr.com>
  Subject: Re: Recomendations for books

   

  Hello Andy,

   

  I just purchased a book by Janet Ingber from the National Braille Press.  it 
is called Mac Basics for the Beginning User.  I really like  it.  I bought the 
braille copy so I can read it while trying things on the computer.   I’ve 
learned a lot from this book.  It will be a great reference tool for me.  I 
don’’t know if we are talking about the same book or not.

  Dolores 

On Aug 27, 2017, at 12:10 PM, Andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com> wrote:

 

Hi all.

 

In the past I've purchased 2 great books.  They may have been from either, 
the National Braille Press or American Printhouse for the Blind.  I can no 
longer rember.

 

 

The first book concerned my Iphone and was titled:

Getting Started with the iPhoneGetting Started with the iPhone
An Introduction for Blind Users
By Anna Dresner and Dean Martineau.

 

This was a great book and helped me a lot, back when I was using my Iphone 
4s.

 

I've since upgraded to the Iphone 6s and was wondering if there was a more 
recent title by these two authours which would be more appropriate for the 
Iphone 6s and subsequent upgrades to the operating system, since then.

 

My second book, which I'm studying at the moment is also a fantastic book.  
It concerns My Imac and my Macbook pro and is titled:

 

Janet Ingber - Everything You Need to Know to Use the Mac 

 

 

I'm loving this book so much that I hunger for more from this particular 
author.

 

If anyone knows a link where I can purchase such titles, as txt documents, 
I'd be delighted to know.

 

Thanks.

 

Very best wishes.

Andy.

From Scotland with Love.


 

 

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Re: Recomendations for books

[Andy]

Hi Janet.

getting a message from you! I'm thrilled to bits.


As I said in my message, I'm just loving your book.  It's helping me loads 
and without it, my macbook pro would still be sitting like my lovely 27in 
Imack, after almost 2 years.


It's very difficult for a Windows user to adjust to this new platform, but 
at times, it all sounds very simple, then I fall down a big hole.


I've been listening and working with your book since Friday afternoon and 
now it's nearly bed-time on sunday  night.


I've achieved loads and I some how no longer fear this buitiful macbook pro. 
My confidence is growing and I'm really feeling, for the first time in 
months, that I'm achieving something positive.


I don't fear the future any more, but my arthritic fingers are now screaming 
at me! Ha.


Thanks very much for the other book.  Both will keep me busy all winter, 
here in Scotland, where I don't get out too much over the winter months.


Thanks again.

Very best wishes.

Andy.

From Scotland with Love.


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To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2017 6:47 PM
Subject: Re: Recomendations for books


Hi Andy,

Glad you like my book and are finding it helpful.

The iPhone book has been updated by Anna.  It’s from National Braille Press. 
Here is the link:

http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/IPHONE-IOS10.html

Best,
Janet



On Aug 27, 2017, at 12:10 PM, Andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com> wrote:

Hi all.

In the past I've purchased 2 great books.  They may have been from either, 
the National Braille Press or American Printhouse for the Blind.  I can no 
longer rember.



The first book concerned my Iphone and was titled:
Getting Started with the iPhoneGetting Started with the iPhone
An Introduction for Blind Users
By Anna Dresner and Dean Martineau.

This was a great book and helped me a lot, back when I was using my Iphone 
4s.


I've since upgraded to the Iphone 6s and was wondering if there was a more 
recent title by these two authours which would be more appropriate for the 
Iphone 6s and subsequent upgrades to the operating system, since then.


My second book, which I'm studying at the moment is also a fantastic book. 
It concerns My Imac and my Macbook pro and is titled:


Janet Ingber - Everything You Need to Know to Use the Mac


I'm loving this book so much that I hunger for more from this particular 
author.


If anyone knows a link where I can purchase such titles, as txt documents, 
I'd be delighted to know.


Thanks.

Very best wishes.
Andy.
From Scotland with Love.



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[Andy]

Hi all.

In the past I've purchased 2 great books.  They may have been from either, the 
National Braille Press or American Printhouse for the Blind.  I can no longer 
rember.


The first book concerned my Iphone and was titled:
Getting Started with the iPhoneGetting Started with the iPhone
An Introduction for Blind Users
By Anna Dresner and Dean Martineau.

This was a great book and helped me a lot, back when I was using my Iphone 4s.

I've since upgraded to the Iphone 6s and was wondering if there was a more 
recent title by these two authours which would be more appropriate for the 
Iphone 6s and subsequent upgrades to the operating system, since then.

My second book, which I'm studying at the moment is also a fantastic book.  It 
concerns My Imac and my Macbook pro and is titled:

Janet Ingber - Everything You Need to Know to Use the Mac 


I'm loving this book so much that I hunger for more from this particular author.

If anyone knows a link where I can purchase such titles, as txt documents, I'd 
be delighted to know.

Thanks.

Very best wishes.
Andy.
>From Scotland with Love.

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Re: Location of the dash symbol on my Macbook

[Andy]

Hi Anne.

Hypen! Obviously, now that you tell me!  What a dimwit I am.

Very best wishes.
Andy.
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  Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2017 2:52 PM
  Subject: Re: Location of the dash symbol on my Macbook


  Hello Andy,


  The dash or hyphen is to the right of zero. If you add the shift key, it 
becomes the underline symbol.
  Press VO-k and you can test all the keys. Press Escape to get out of the 
keyboard help.


  Cheers,


  Anne






On 26 Aug 2017, at 15:32, Andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com> wrote:


Hi all.

I'm reading a very good book titled, Janet Ingber - Everything You Need to 
Know to Use the Mac,  which I purchased from  AP H and going through chapter 2 
on setting my Macbook up, so it will perform easier using VO.

I've already done the F key bit and the bit that lists items as lists but 
now I'm in Safari setting it up so I can navigate easier by tab and shift-tab.

I'm followning the instructions and I'm in Safari but I'm now told to type 
the following - Command plus dash.

Ther'es the problem guys, I cannot find the dash symbol.  I've gone all 
over the keyboard help utility, but simply cannot find it.  Ha!

Can anyone please tell me where it is.  It most probably requires a shift 
also.

Any advice welcome as I'm really feeling quite good, after going through 
these complicated instructions and I'd like to end the day on a high!
Very best wishes.

    Andy.
From Scotland with Love.



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Location of the dash symbol on my Macbook

[Andy]

Hi all.

I'm reading a very good book titled, Janet Ingber - Everything You Need to Know 
to Use the Mac,  which I purchased from  AP H and going through chapter 2 on 
setting my Macbook up, so it will perform easier using VO.

I've already done the F key bit and the bit that lists items as lists but now 
I'm in Safari setting it up so I can navigate easier by tab and shift-tab.

I'm followning the instructions and I'm in Safari but I'm now told to type the 
following - Command plus dash.

Ther'es the problem guys, I cannot find the dash symbol.  I've gone all over 
the keyboard help utility, but simply cannot find it.  Ha!

Can anyone please tell me where it is.  It most probably requires a shift also.

Any advice welcome as I'm really feeling quite good, after going through these 
complicated instructions and I'd like to end the day on a high!
Very best wishes.

Andy.
>From Scotland with Love.

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Podcasts on Apple Devices

[Andy]

Hi all.

I used to use a program called Accessible Podcaster and loved it.

I used to listen to Blind Cool Tec along with others which I found both 
educational and enjoyable.

I'm hoping to get back into this media and have the Accessible Podcaster up and 
running again and was wondering that if there was a source of podcasts, 
teaching me about my Iphone 6s, Imac and Macbook, than I'd subsribe as it's 
very difficult for me, giving that I live in the sticks, to get training or 
training materials.

Can anyone suggest a subscription url for any such service please?

Very best wishes.

Andy.
>From Scotland with Love.

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Re: New Iphone 6s - volume

[Andy]

Hi David.

Thanks for that and boy do I not half a lot tolearn my friend.

I'll give it a go over the weekend and you never know, I may surprise 
myself, Ha!


Thanks again.

Very best wishes.
Andy.


From Scotland with Love.
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Sent: Friday, July 07, 2017 9:34 AM
Subject: Re: New Iphone 6s - volume


To go into control center, touch the status line at the top of the display 
(battery power, clock, and so forth), then perform a three finger swipe up.


Kind regards,

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +61 488 988 936
Sent from my iPhone


On 7/07/2017, at 16:00, Andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com> wrote:

Hi Chris.

Sorry for taking this long in accknowleging your message.  I'm currently 
half-way through my Guide Dog training.


I have saved your message to act on your advice during the weekend, but I 
don't know what the Control Center is or how to get there.


I know how to go to page 2 and 3 and even how to create new folders and 
sub-folders, but the Control Center is something I've not yet come 
accross?


As for the tactyle volume control function, I got that clear now, Thanks.

Very best wishes.

Andy.
From Scotland with Love.


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<challswor...@icloud.com>

To: "Macvisionaries" <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2017 7:24 PM
Subject: Re: New Iphone 6s - volume


Hello, I have a 6s, and the volume may feel like one button but is in fact 
there are two one above or below each other. You can always adjust the 
master volume in page 2 of Control Centre. The sound volume in settings > 
sounds, as I understand, controls the ringer and other audio.

On 5 Jul 2017, at 17:52, Andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com> wrote:

Hi all.

I have very recently purchased a lovely new Iphone 6s.

The volume control on the top left seems only to be a single button and 
when I press it, the volume reduces.  I cannot get the volume up again or 
even know how to do this.


I can listen to tune-in radio fine, but when I rign a number I can hardly 
the rign-tone at the other end.


Can anyone tell me just how to use the new volume control as well as 
boosting the total volume to it's max


This is needed as I'm pretty deaf.

Very best wishes.

Andy.
From Scotland with Love.

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Re: New Iphone 6s - volume

[Andy]

Hi Scott.
Sorry for taking this long in replying to your message.  I'm currently being 
trained with a lovely big Guide Dog and I'm absolutely shattered every evening, 
haha.

I'll save your message along with the nice one I also got from Chris and get 
assistance if necessary, over the weekend to set my phone up just right.

Incidently, As a Scot myself, who's country has been totally excluded from the 
Irish and British  Lions, I'm supporting New Z tomorrow morning.

I hope you hammer them for having the arogence and anty-scottish views they so 
obviously have.

Sorry about that.  I'm angry.  Particularly because we did very well, for a 
small country of 6 milion, during the 6 nations!  And If we are indeed part of 
Britain, we should have had at least 8 or 10 players on that flight!

Very best wishes.

Andy.
>From Scotland with Love.

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  From: Scott Granados 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2017 6:41 PM
  Subject: Re: New Iphone 6s - volume


  Hi, the volume is actually two buttons on the left hand side assuming the 
face of the phone is towards you with the round home button towards the bottom. 
 On the upper right side will be a single button for locking the screen and 
opposite these will be 3 controls, up, down and mute which is a switch.  


  To set the volumes, while you hear audio like voice over press up to increase 
and down to decrease.  To turn up your call audio, while on the call press up 
volume which controls the phone audio separately.  Also, set the ringer volume 
the same way pressing up or down while the phone is ringing.


  Hope that helps.


On Jul 5, 2017, at 12:52 PM, Andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com> wrote:


Hi all.

I have very recently purchased a lovely new Iphone 6s.

The volume control on the top left seems only to be a single button and 
when I press it, the volume reduces.  I cannot get the volume up again or even 
know how to do this.

I can listen to tune-in radio fine, but when I rign a number I can hardly 
the rign-tone at the other end.

Can anyone tell me just how to use the new volume control as well as 
boosting the total volume to it's max

This is needed as I'm pretty deaf.

Very best wishes.

Andy.
From Scotland with Love.


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Re: New Iphone 6s - volume

[Andy]

Hi Chris.

Sorry for taking this long in accknowleging your message.  I'm currently 
half-way through my Guide Dog training.


I have saved your message to act on your advice during the weekend, but I 
don't know what the Control Center is or how to get there.


I know how to go to page 2 and 3 and even how to create new folders and 
sub-folders, but the Control Center is something I've not yet come accross?


As for the tactyle volume control function, I got that clear now, Thanks.

Very best wishes.

Andy.

From Scotland with Love.



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To: "Macvisionaries" <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2017 7:24 PM
Subject: Re: New Iphone 6s - volume


Hello, I have a 6s, and the volume may feel like one button but is in fact 
there are two one above or below each other. You can always adjust the 
master volume in page 2 of Control Centre. The sound volume in settings > 
sounds, as I understand, controls the ringer and other audio.

On 5 Jul 2017, at 17:52, Andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com> wrote:

Hi all.

I have very recently purchased a lovely new Iphone 6s.

The volume control on the top left seems only to be a single button and 
when I press it, the volume reduces.  I cannot get the volume up again or 
even know how to do this.


I can listen to tune-in radio fine, but when I rign a number I can hardly 
the rign-tone at the other end.


Can anyone tell me just how to use the new volume control as well as 
boosting the total volume to it's max


This is needed as I'm pretty deaf.

Very best wishes.

Andy.
From Scotland with Love.

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New Iphone 6s - volume

[Andy]

Hi all.

I have very recently purchased a lovely new Iphone 6s.

The volume control on the top left seems only to be a single button and when I 
press it, the volume reduces.  I cannot get the volume up again or even know 
how to do this.

I can listen to tune-in radio fine, but when I rign a number I can hardly the 
rign-tone at the other end.

Can anyone tell me just how to use the new volume control as well as boosting 
the total volume to it's max

This is needed as I'm pretty deaf.

Very best wishes.

Andy.
>From Scotland with Love.

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Re: Can I get my mackbook to be a little more patience when waiting for a command

[Andy]

Hi again Anne.

You've obviously slept on it, a skill I really should develop further.

I'm brand new to mac but it did seem to me that I was simply not given enough 
time to respond.

Tim has come up with an alternative solution and that is to purchase an 
external Trackpad, to 
avoide accidentally touching the  on-board Track pad screen, which could be a 
cause of my problems also.

I attend  an organization in Glasgow called Site Glasgow :
http://www.sitescotland.org/

Which is a voluntary organisation that teaches apple products to blind people 
and the instructors are themselves all blind!  Cool or what?

I'm hoping to visit Glasgow on Monday, so I will take both you and Tim's 
comments up with me, along with my macbook, and see if my instructor can help 
work all of this out for me.


I think it's important to set up my devices before actually starting my 
training, especially so, when authors are recommending this.

To follow a particular instruction book, you really need to listen to her and 
make the changes that she suggests, if only to keep up with her through the 
book.



That's my thoughts and it was the same with the Windows platform.

I'll get there eventually Anne, fingers crossed!

Thanks for your advice.

Very best wishes.

Andy.
>From Scotland with Love.


  - Original Message - 
  From: Anne Robertson 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2017 12:55 PM
  Subject: Re: Can I get my mackbook to be a little more patience when waiting 
for a command


  Hello Andy,


  Having thought further about your problem, I’m wondering whether your screen 
or even your computer is going to sleep too quickly.
  To fix this, open System Preferences and press VO-Space Bar on Energy Saver. 
On this screen, there are two tabs: Battery and Power Adapter. You can set the 
time separately for each.
  There are two sliders for each of these tabs: Computer Sleep, and Display 
Sleep. The slider is to the right of the label in each case, and you should set 
them to at least 15 minutes to give yourself time to find your way around the 
computer.
  To adjust a slider, interact with it (VO-Shift-Down Arrow) and do VO-Right 
Arrow to increase it, or VO-Left Arrow to reduce it. Then stop interacting.
  I don’t know whether you are aware of this, but you can choose whether to use 
the Control and Option keys or the Caps Lock key as your VO keys. I’ve been 
using a Mac with VO for a dozen years now, so I haven’t bothered to change my 
habits, but for new users, I think the Caps Lock is a better choice. You make 
this choice in the VoiceOver Utility (VO-F8). Having opened the VO-Utility, 
navigate right to Keys to use as the VoiceOver modifier: and make your choice.


  Cheers,


  Anne






On 11 Apr 2017, at 11:15, Andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com> wrote:


Hi again Tim.

I think you are right my friend as the table that I have my macbook on is 
quite high, so perhaps I am brushing the on-board trackpad.

I had thought however, that I had to activate the trackpad before any 
finger command work was possible.

This is not a great problem and your solution of perhaps fitting a second 
usb trackpad - £114.00 at the Apple store, would be the way to go and my case 
could easily accomodate such a small device.

Doing this would give me a little more control and confidence, especially 
at this very early stage of my learning.

Thanks very much for your advice and support.

Very best wishes.

Andy.
From Scotland with Love.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Tim Kilburn
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Monday, April 10, 2017 10:14 PM
  Subject: Re: Can I get my mackbook to be a little more patience when 
waiting for a command


  Hi Andy,


  I believe that Anne was suggesting that you maybe are just accidentally 
brushing your hand or thumb on the TrackPad itself.  Not that you're 
necessarily doing anything with the TrackPad commander.  The TrackPad can often 
be quite sensitive and, thus, react to inadvertent touching by moving the mouse 
pointer due to that touch or brush.  If you have a USB mouse, there's an option 
whereby you can turn off the Trackpad when this is connected.  The setting is 
in System Preferences, Accessibilityy.  Select the Mouse & TrackPad from the 
Accessibility features table then check the box that tells the MacBook to 
ignore the TrackPad when an external mouse or TrackPad is present.


  HTH.


  Later...


  Tim Kilburn
  Fort McMurray, AB Canada 


  On Apr 10, 2017, at 14:56, Andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com> wrote:


  Hi Ann.

  Thanks for your support.



  Although it may be possible that I am activating Trackpad Commander 
commands without being aware of it, I doubt that this is my problem, as I 
believe I would need first, to turn my Tracpad Commander on.

  My problem just seemes to be like I simply timed o

Re: Can I get my mackbook to be a little more patience when waiting for a command

[Andy]

Hi again Tim.

I think you are right my friend as the table that I have my macbook on is quite 
high, so perhaps I am brushing the on-board trackpad.

I had thought however, that I had to activate the trackpad before any finger 
command work was possible.

This is not a great problem and your solution of perhaps fitting a second usb 
trackpad - £114.00 at the Apple store, would be the way to go and my case could 
easily accomodate such a small device.

Doing this would give me a little more control and confidence, especially at 
this very early stage of my learning.

Thanks very much for your advice and support.

Very best wishes.

Andy.
>From Scotland with Love.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Tim Kilburn 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, April 10, 2017 10:14 PM
  Subject: Re: Can I get my mackbook to be a little more patience when waiting 
for a command


  Hi Andy,


  I believe that Anne was suggesting that you maybe are just accidentally 
brushing your hand or thumb on the TrackPad itself.  Not that you're 
necessarily doing anything with the TrackPad commander.  The TrackPad can often 
be quite sensitive and, thus, react to inadvertent touching by moving the mouse 
pointer due to that touch or brush.  If you have a USB mouse, there's an option 
whereby you can turn off the Trackpad when this is connected.  The setting is 
in System Preferences, Accessibilityy.  Select the Mouse & TrackPad from the 
Accessibility features table then check the box that tells the MacBook to 
ignore the TrackPad when an external mouse or TrackPad is present.


  HTH.


  Later...


  Tim Kilburn
  Fort McMurray, AB Canada 


  On Apr 10, 2017, at 14:56, Andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com> wrote:


  Hi Ann.

  Thanks for your support.



  Although it may be possible that I am activating Trackpad Commander commands 
without being aware of it, I doubt that this is my problem, as I believe I 
would need first, to turn my Tracpad Commander on.

  My problem just seemes to be like I simply timed out as it was taking me too 
long to make the changes I wanted to make.


  Here is the text that I'm trying to follow:

  Configuring Your Mac to Work Well with VoiceOver
  Changing some factory default settings will enable your computer to work 
better with VoiceOver. Plus, making these changes gives you some practice with 
frequently used VoiceOver commands. The first two adjustments involve the 
keyboard.

  Keyboard Changes
  By default, the function keys are set to control hardware (such as changing 
the volume and screen brightness) rather than to work with software. If you use 
this setting, you'll have to add the FN key to any function key (F1 through 
F12) that is part of a VO command. Fortunately, you can reverse this behavior, 
so that you use only the FN key when you want to control the hardware. Here's 
how:

  * From anywhere on the Mac, press VO-M to get to the menu bar. You will be in 
the Apple menu.
  * Press VO-Down Arrow until you reach System Preferences, and press 
VO-Spacebar to open that item.
  * Press Tab until you find Keyboard, and press VO-Spacebar to open its menu.
  * Find the keyboard tab by using VO-Right Arrow, and press VO-Spacebar to 
select it.
  * Press VO-Right Arrow until you get to a checkbox that says, “Use all F1, 
F2, etc. keys as standard function keys,” and press VO-Spacebar to check it.

  The next change will allow the Tab key to go through all controls in a 
dialogue box:

  * While still in the keyboard section in System Preferences, press VO-Left 
Arrow until you hear "Keyboard Shortcuts,” and select it with VO-Spacebar.
  * Now press VO-Right Arrow until you hear "Full Keyboard Access: In windows 
and dialogs, press Tab to move keyboard focus between.”
  * There are two radio buttons from which to choose. VO-Right Arrow twice to 
the button that says, "All controls," and check it with VO-Spacebar.
  * Close the Preferences window with Command-W.

  List View
  For many people, VoiceOver is easier to use when items are displayed in a 
list view. To do this, type Command-2.  This will put you in List View in any 
application that supports it.

  Column View
  Another option is to use Column view. This option will display files in a 
manner similar to the Windows Tree view. Press Command-3. Depending on what 
information I need, I will sometimes switch between views.

  You can set the view globally for all Finder windows, including Documents and 
Downloads. Here’s how to do it:

  * Go to the Desktop with Shift-VO-D.
  * Open one of the Finder windows. We’ll open the Documents window with 
Command-Shift-O.
  * Press Command-J to go to View Options.
  * Use the tab key to find the checkbox that says “Always open in column view” 
and the checkbox labeled “Browse in column view.” If these boxes are not 
checked, check them with VO-Spacebar.

  Making VoiceOver Keep Your Place
  By default, when you switch 

Re: Can I get my mackbook to be a little more patience when waiting for a command

[Andy]

uments.



This is rather a lot for an old Windows dog to follow Ann, yet the instructions 
seem quite simple to follow.



I think I need to stay calm and just keep trying to get through these 
recomended setting cahanges.



Thanks again for your help.



Very best wishes.



Andy.

>From Scotland with Love.




  - Original Message - 
  From: Anne Robertson 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2017 4:58 PM
  Subject: Re: Can I get my mackbook to be a little more patience when waiting 
for a command


  Hello Andy,


  Your Mac shouldn’t be going back to the desktop all the time. Where are you 
trying to make the changes? Perhaps you’re touching something such as the 
trackpad without realising it.


  Cheers,


  Anne






    On 9 Apr 2017, at 15:11, Andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com> wrote:


Hi all.

I've purchased the book  Janet Ingber - Everything You Need to Know to 
Use the Mac and this is in txt format on my computer and JAWS is reading out 
the chapters for me.

I'm at a section titled Configuring Your Mac to Work Well with VoiceOver.  
This highlights several changes that I should make to help using the Mac more 
fun.

Trouble is that when I hold down the VO keys and M and then turn to my JAWS 
computer for the next bit and return, it's too late, my Mac has gone to the 
desktop, rather than wait for my response.

Is there a way to ask my Mac to give me a little more time when it's 
waiting for a command from me?

Any advice would be very welcome.

Very best wishes.

Andy.
From Scotland with Love.





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Can I get my mackbook to be a little more patience when waiting for a command

[Andy]

Hi all.

I've purchased the book  Janet Ingber - Everything You Need to Know to Use 
the Mac and this is in txt format on my computer and JAWS is reading out the 
chapters for me.

I'm at a section titled Configuring Your Mac to Work Well with VoiceOver.  This 
highlights several changes that I should make to help using the Mac more fun.

Trouble is that when I hold down the VO keys and M and then turn to my JAWS 
computer for the next bit and return, it's too late, my Mac has gone to the 
desktop, rather than wait for my response.

Is there a way to ask my Mac to give me a little more time when it's waiting 
for a command from me?

Any advice would be very welcome.

Very best wishes.

Andy.
>From Scotland with Love.


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Re: Off topic but i hope you folks in New York and New Jersey are ok and keeping your heads down

[Andy]

Hey, of course he will go on another wild rant because he actually doesn't 
want the job!


That is what most of us over here believe.

So what are you left with?  Hilary?


As a blind Scottish guy I don't really know or understand much about 
American politics, but I really did like Jimmy Carter!  I Know I still like 
him if he's still doing all that voluntary work.



As for Donald:  Give up an empire to become the president of the USA.  Don't 
think so.





Very best wishes and kind regards
Andy Logue.

From Scotland with love.


- Original Message - 
From: "E.T." <ancient.ali...@icloud.com>

To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 5:17 PM
Subject: Re: Off topic but i hope you folks in New York and New Jersey are 
ok and keeping your heads down




   Don't let Donald Trump hear about this for he will surely go on
another wild rant.

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
  Are We Alone in the Universe?
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 9/19/2016 9:11 AM, Andy wrote:

well done the Police department.

They have already got one guy.  I bet he is the only one.

Yet another terrible incident  hurting ordinary people, but it didn't
take long to grab him.

Well done again the NYC Police department.


Very best wishes and kind regards
Andy Logue.
From Scotland with love.

- Original Message - From: "Scott Granados" <sc...@qualityip.net>
To: "MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via" <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 4:28 PM
Subject: Off topic but i hope you folks in New York and New Jersey are
ok and keeping your heads down



Know we have a lot of people from that part of the world.  Sounds like
a dicy situation there.  Hope you all stay safe and they catch
everyone involved quickly, seems so at this point.  Good luck there
and be careful.

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Re: Off topic but i hope you folks in New York and New Jersey are ok and keeping your heads down

[Andy]

well done the Police department.

They have already got one guy.  I bet he is the only one.

Yet another terrible incident  hurting ordinary people, but it didn't take 
long to grab him.


Well done again the NYC Police department.


Very best wishes and kind regards
Andy Logue.

From Scotland with love.


- Original Message - 
From: "Scott Granados" <sc...@qualityip.net>

To: "MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via" <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 4:28 PM
Subject: Off topic but i hope you folks in New York and New Jersey are ok 
and keeping your heads down



Know we have a lot of people from that part of the world.  Sounds like a 
dicy situation there.  Hope you all stay safe and they catch everyone 
involved quickly, seems so at this point.  Good luck there and be careful.


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Re: Do I want to update or not?

[Andy]

Hi Simon.

I was smoking over £80 a week in March.  

I know that sounds incredable as many young people today are not earning that 
amount from their work, but we are talking about an extremely strong ediction 
and it's possible that many many people are still paying significantly more 
than that amount over here.

A pack of cheeper brand cigarettes is about £8.50 and the more expensive 
cigarettes are over £10 for a 20 pack.  This is because the British Government 
have sticky fingers and the tax system over here just wants everything from 
you.  

If there is a £ to be made, then our Government in London demand their share 

So I'm both delighted and surprised that I have now been of the fags since the 
start of March.  Do the maths!  I'm loaded and at the same time embarrased that 
I used to spend so much.


Very best wishes.
Andy.






  - Original Message - 
  From: Simon Fogarty 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 2:23 AM
  Subject: RE: Do I want to update or not?


  Andy,

   

  Yeah really well done with the giving up smoking,

  As for having given up enough to purchase a 27 inch iMac and iPhone,

  Hell you either gave up a while back or you smoked a lot,

   

  Either way, the imacs and iPhone are a better option.

   

  Go hard and stay healthy.

   

  From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
  Sent: Wednesday, 14 September 2016 9:57 AM
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: Do I want to update or not?

   

  Over here we can finance the devices I believe you can as well.  Helps a lot 
of folks with out the upfront money get involved which is a good thing.  and a 
big +1, way to go Andy on kicking the habit.  That’s a very difficult thing to 
do and much love and respect from me for doing it.  Go get em andy.

   

   

On Sep 13, 2016, at 5:22 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com> wrote:

 

You’ve hit it on the head, saving.  I don’t do credit cards and like to 
save up for my gadgets so definitely if you want something, you need to be 
really committed in saving up for it so when it happens, you are definitely 
being nice to yourself.  I remember you telling me that you had got an I Mac 
and well done for stopping smoking, now you have money for more better things.

 

I’m going to Iceland in a few weeks to do a charity walk so deciding that I 
had to go to the Apple store rather than buying online was something of a 
departure for me as I normally buy online.

 

Kawal.

  On 13 Sep 2016, at 22:13, Andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com> wrote:

   

  Hi Kawal.

   

  There is a song which goes somethin like this.

   

  Be nice to yourself, be nice to yourself...

   

  Sorry that's all the words I know. hahaha.

   

  This year I stopped smoking and started saving up.  I've bought a brand 
new 27 inch Imac and a second hand Macbook Pro and I firmly believe that we all 
should be nice to each other for sure but more important, to  be nice to 
ourselves and treat ourselves from time to time.

   

  After all are we not all worth it?

   

   

   

- Original Message - 

From: Kawal Gucukoglu

To: Macvisionaries

Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 9:58 PM

Subject: Re: Do I want to update or not?

 

I wasn’t going to update my phone as I am also getting an I phone 7 
Plus from the Apple store on Friday but someone asked me if I had updated so 
now I’ve updated the one I have although it’s been sold so I’ll have a play 
with it and then need to format it for it to be put in the box and sent to the 
seller.

 

Is there anything I need to do as it’s a trusted device.  Can I remove 
that phone from my trusted device once I’ve put my sim card in my new phone?

 

I am also buying the Series two watch so that’s my presents to me until 
next year.

 

Thanks.

 

Kawal.

  On 13 Sep 2016, at 19:51, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:

   

  Hi Jonathan,

   

  You know, I think my phone may have been part of that.  I had 
forgotten though until you mentioned it.  Guess I'll go ahead and give the 
update a go.

  Cheers,

  Donna

On Sep 13, 2016, at 1:03 PM, Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org> 
wrote:

 

Hi Donna, depending on when it was that you got your last phone, it 
may have been because there was an OS update rather quickly. I believe it was 
iOS 8 where they pushed out an update very quickly, then had to pull it and 
release another one because they broke LTE.

In that case, the OS you got on your new phone will have been older 
than the OS on the old, unless you first updated. Hopefully that won't 

Re: Do I want to update or not?

[Andy]

Hi Kawal.

There is a song which goes somethin like this.

Be nice to yourself, be nice to yourself...

Sorry that's all the words I know. hahaha.

This year I stopped smoking and started saving up.  I've bought a brand new 27 
inch Imac and a second hand Macbook Pro and I firmly believe that we all should 
be nice to each other for sure but more important, to  be nice to ourselves and 
treat ourselves from time to time.

After all are we not all worth it?


 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kawal Gucukoglu 
  To: Macvisionaries 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 9:58 PM
  Subject: Re: Do I want to update or not?


  I wasn’t going to update my phone as I am also getting an I phone 7 Plus from 
the Apple store on Friday but someone asked me if I had updated so now I’ve 
updated the one I have although it’s been sold so I’ll have a play with it and 
then need to format it for it to be put in the box and sent to the seller.


  Is there anything I need to do as it’s a trusted device.  Can I remove that 
phone from my trusted device once I’ve put my sim card in my new phone?


  I am also buying the Series two watch so that’s my presents to me until next 
year.


  Thanks.


  Kawal.

On 13 Sep 2016, at 19:51, Donna Goodin  wrote:


Hi Jonathan,


You know, I think my phone may have been part of that.  I had forgotten 
though until you mentioned it.  Guess I'll go ahead and give the update a go.
Cheers,
Donna

  On Sep 13, 2016, at 1:03 PM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:


  Hi Donna, depending on when it was that you got your last phone, it may 
have been because there was an OS update rather quickly. I believe it was iOS 8 
where they pushed out an update very quickly, then had to pull it and release 
another one because they broke LTE.
  In that case, the OS you got on your new phone will have been older than 
the OS on the old, unless you first updated. Hopefully that won't happen this 
time around.

  Jonathan Mosen
  Mosen Consulting
  Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
  http://Mosen.org


On 14/09/2016, at 5:47 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:


Hi Tim and Jonathan,


thanks for this.  I honestly don't remember how it is that my new phone 
had an older version, my memory is that I upgraded on the day it was released, 
so I was thinking that the 7 would ship with IOS 9.  But I could be wrong about 
the upgrade timeframe.  Anyway, I appreciate the feedback, so I guess I'll just 
have to see how impatient I am to get my hands on IOS 10.1. :)
Cheers,
Donna

  On Sep 13, 2016, at 12:39 PM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:


  Hi Donna, your iPhone 7 will ship with iOS 10.0.1, so I can't see a 
reason why both devices being on the same OS would be a problem.
  But if you're updating on Friday, restoring from a backup made on the 
iOS you have now should be fine. It's only when you try to restore to an older 
OS version from a newer one that the universe objects.

  Jonathan Mosen
  Mosen Consulting
  Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
  http://Mosen.org


On 14/09/2016, at 5:32 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:


Hi all,

I'm getting my iPhone 7 this Friday.  I have a recollection that 
when I got my last phone, I had an issue because I'd already updated my old 
phone to the new IOS version.  So I'm thinking that this time I want to skip 
upgrading my current phone.  Am I thinking about this correctly?
TIA,
Donna

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Re: Magic Keyboard.

[Andy]

Hi Anders.

I got the Magic keyboard and magic mouse with my new Imac.

I hated both and have since given them away to the guy who set up my 
equipment.


I purchased instead, from the Apple store the longer standard keyboard for 
£45. and the Trackpad.  Both are USB.



Not used the trackpad yet but the keyboard is absolutely lovely.



Very best wishes and kind regards
Andy Logue.

From Scotland with love.


- Original Message - 
From: "Anders Holmberg" <and...@pipkrokodil.se>

To: "'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries" <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Friday, September 09, 2016 10:41 PM
Subject: Magic Keyboard.


Hi!
I’ve bought the new magic keyboard and for sure i am thrilled but not so 
thrilled i thought i would be.

Its small and very great though.
However i understand you can have more than one device at a time paired with 
it.

How do one select the apropriate device?
Thanks.
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Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?

[Andy]

Hi Tim.

Funny, I never considered the possibility of spilling my beer!  I've been 
more concerned about how it would look when I took my Macbookk Air to the 
toilet.  Do you think that all of my friends in the pub will think that I 
don't trust them and that they may lift my computer while I was away from my 
table?  It's a thought!


Very best wishes.
Andy.




- Original Message - 
From: "Tim Kilburn" <kilbu...@me.com>

To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 8:46 PM
Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?


Hi,

That's a good savings Andy.  Just be careful not to spill your beer onto 
your macBook Air while in the Pub.  Makes the cost of ownership sky rocket 
:).


Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jul 9, 2016, at 13:42, Andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com> wrote:

Hi Max and all.

Sorry for butting in with my pennies worth.

I purchased the 27 Retina desk-top about five weeks ago and in order to 
undergo training, I have decided to also buy a Macbook Air.  This means I 
can carry it easily to my training event and also take it out for a couple 
of beers and play with it.  However, I'm not buying a new machine.  I'm 
buying a refurnished model from the Apple Store in Glasgow.  I've already 
been told that they can give me a 13 inch, 2015 model for £625.00.  A brand 
new Macbook Air is £800.00.  When I asked as to why they would have so many 
almost new computers for sale, I was told that loads of buyers freek out at 
the new OS and return it within 14 days.  So for a saving of £175.00 I'd be 
getting an almost new computer.


I thought it was worth considering this option.

Very best wishes.
Andy.
- Original Message - From: "'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries" 
<macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>

To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 7:28 PM
Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?


Hi Tim; I appreciate the feedback. i wonder how much cheaper the air would 
be. Thanks, Max

On Jul 9, 2016, at 1:14 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:


Hi Max,

Apple seems to be focusing on the Cloud and keeping their devices slim and 
fairly free of, what they might consider, extraneous ports.  So, I don't 
believe that SD slots or some such expansion will be on their radar.  I'm 
not an insider, nor do I have any more insight than most others, it just 
seems to be the trend historically with Apple products.  Who's to say that 
someone may not develop reliable, quick and portable storage solutions 
that will work with WiFi, Bluetooth or Lightning technology accessible 
from your iDevice.  Regarding the MacBook Pro or Air, both will do what 
you're hoping, although the Air would be less expensive.


Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jul 9, 2016, at 10:21, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
<macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:


Hi Tim; My main concerns are video conferencing and managing my websites. 
So, I think it has to be mac book air or pro. I actually miss my 12 inch 
ibook 4 because like you say what blind person needs a big screen. I would 
probably go with the 13 because of the sd slot. question, do you think 
this means future versions of the iPhone may also offer additional 
storage? i know now we can move info between devices using the cloud, but 
having that option would be nice. thanks, max

On Jul 9, 2016, at 10:54 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:


Hi,

Actually, if purchasing new, you won't find a MacBook Pro with built-in 
DVD drive anymore.  When it comes to a decision between the Pro or the 
Air, you need to look at what you want from your computer and how much 
you're willing to spend.  the Pros have better processors, better 
displays, usually can accept more RAM and are simply meant for more 
powerful work.  Of course, with all this, comes a higher ticket price, 
and, why does a blind user require a better display?  the Air is a good 
machine, meant more for the everyday user.  It can still do most things 
that most people would be doing, and actually do it well if you don't 
take the least expensive model.  The iPad Pro is a very nice machine, and 
iOS is likely the way things are moving towards in the future, but it 
will be a while before they become one.  You can do most everything on an 
iOS device excepting enterprise tasks, so that's an option as well.  the 
keyboard access with VO on an iDevice is there, but no where near what 
can be done on a laptop or Desktop unit.


So, if you're preferring the MacBook Pro/Air to the iPad, and you're not 
a power user nor managing enterprise architecture, then  the MacBook Air 
will do just fine.  Don't cheap out on specs though, make sure to get at 
least 8 GB of RAM, at least a 500 GB SSD and upgrade your processor. This 
will make sure that it lasts you a good long time and maintains its 
usefulness.

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jul 9, 2016, at 09:32, 'Maxwell Iv

Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?

[Andy]

Hi Max and all.

Sorry for butting in with my pennies worth.

I purchased the 27 Retina desk-top about five weeks ago and in order to 
undergo training, I have decided to also buy a Macbook Air.  This means I 
can carry it easily to my training event and also take it out for a couple 
of beers and play with it.  However, I'm not buying a new machine.  I'm 
buying a refurnished model from the Apple Store in Glasgow.  I've already 
been told that they can give me a 13 inch, 2015 model for £625.00.  A brand 
new Macbook Air is £800.00.  When I asked as to why they would have so many 
almost new computers for sale, I was told that loads of buyers freek out at 
the new OS and return it within 14 days.  So for a saving of £175.00 I'd be 
getting an almost new computer.


I thought it was worth considering this option.

Very best wishes.
Andy.
- Original Message - 
From: "'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries" <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>

To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 7:28 PM
Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?


Hi Tim; I appreciate the feedback. i wonder how much cheaper the air would 
be. Thanks, Max

On Jul 9, 2016, at 1:14 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:


Hi Max,

Apple seems to be focusing on the Cloud and keeping their devices slim and 
fairly free of, what they might consider, extraneous ports.  So, I don't 
believe that SD slots or some such expansion will be on their radar.  I'm 
not an insider, nor do I have any more insight than most others, it just 
seems to be the trend historically with Apple products.  Who's to say that 
someone may not develop reliable, quick and portable storage solutions 
that will work with WiFi, Bluetooth or Lightning technology accessible 
from your iDevice.  Regarding the MacBook Pro or Air, both will do what 
you're hoping, although the Air would be less expensive.


Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jul 9, 2016, at 10:21, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
<macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:


Hi Tim; My main concerns are video conferencing and managing my websites. 
So, I think it has to be mac book air or pro. I actually miss my 12 inch 
ibook 4 because like you say what blind person needs a big screen. I would 
probably go with the 13 because of the sd slot. question, do you think 
this means future versions of the iPhone may also offer additional 
storage? i know now we can move info between devices using the cloud, but 
having that option would be nice. thanks, max

On Jul 9, 2016, at 10:54 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:


Hi,

Actually, if purchasing new, you won't find a MacBook Pro with built-in 
DVD drive anymore.  When it comes to a decision between the Pro or the 
Air, you need to look at what you want from your computer and how much 
you're willing to spend.  the Pros have better processors, better 
displays, usually can accept more RAM and are simply meant for more 
powerful work.  Of course, with all this, comes a higher ticket price, 
and, why does a blind user require a better display?  the Air is a good 
machine, meant more for the everyday user.  It can still do most things 
that most people would be doing, and actually do it well if you don't 
take the least expensive model.  The iPad Pro is a very nice machine, and 
iOS is likely the way things are moving towards in the future, but it 
will be a while before they become one.  You can do most everything on an 
iOS device excepting enterprise tasks, so that's an option as well.  the 
keyboard access with VO on an iDevice is there, but no where near what 
can be done on a laptop or Desktop unit.


So, if you're preferring the MacBook Pro/Air to the iPad, and you're not 
a power user nor managing enterprise architecture, then  the MacBook Air 
will do just fine.  Don't cheap out on specs though, make sure to get at 
least 8 GB of RAM, at least a 500 GB SSD and upgrade your processor. 
This will make sure that it lasts you a good long time and maintains its 
usefulness.

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jul 9, 2016, at 09:32, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
<macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:


I think I'm still wanting a full computer and not a tablet. Maybe I'll go 
all in and get a mac book and a 9 inch iPad. but assuming I am staying 
with a mac book do i want a mac book pro or a mac book air? I'm thinking 
pro but without the dvd cd rom. I mean I hardly ever need one, and when I 
do; it would be so much more convenient to just carry a little external 
drive or portable dvd player instead. what do you think? Max

On Jul 9, 2016, at 4:38 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:


Yes I've used the 12 and 9.7 inch iPad pros.
The 12 inch is to large and chunkie for my liking.

The 9.7 is a nicer size but heavier than I'd like to carry around

It's got everything you need plus the app store for things you don't.
Still no I wouldn't get one but that's a personal preference du to 
requiring b

Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back

[Andy]

Hi Simon.

I find your generosity astonishing my friend.  Do you not think it would be 
cheeper getting a house-cleaner rather than spend all that lovely cash flying 
me over and ofcourse accomodating me in a five star hotel, from Scotland, just 
to wash your dishes.  This must be the height of lazyness!


  - Original Message - 
  From: Simon Fogarty 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 11:34 AM
  Subject: RE: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back


  Andy,

   

  Could you come and clean my dishs for me when you’ve finished your’s?

   

  From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andy
  Sent: Friday, 8 July 2016 7:57 AM
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back

   

  Hi Arnold.

   

  I purchased my beutiful 27 inch Imac about 5 weeks ago now and guess what?
I've learned nothing apart from a few basic commands, but guess what?  That's 
the way I like it!

   

  I'm going to slow right down and think, rather than act and enjoy each and 
every new experience and see this learning experience as an important milestone 
in my life, rather than a very difficult task, which I suppose, it aint!

   

   

  I'm in absolutely no hurry and as long as I've got my book and I'm a member 
of this list and I hold onto my windows for email for the meantime, then I'm a 
happy chappy, because, slowly but surely, I'll learn this new OS but 
importantly, I'll enjoy it!

   

  Now I'm off to wash the evening dishes and that's something completely 
different!

   

  Glad to hear you are going to stick with it my friend.

   

  Very best wishes.

  Andy.

   

   

- Original Message - 

From: Katie Zodrow 

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 6:47 PM

Subject: Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back

 

Hi Arnold.

That's great! I'm glad you're looking into getting a used Mac. Then you can 
continue  learning the OS some more on your days off work and you probably 
won't be as rushed trying to learn everything.
Katie
Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 7, 2016, at 9:54 AM, Arnold Schmidt <arno...@mindspring.com> wrote:

  Quite literally, my time was up.  As you will read in some other 
messages, I am checking into some used equipment.  Consider my taking the new 
one back the end of the chapter, not necessarily the end of the story.

   

  Arnold Schmidt

- Original Message - 

From: Simon Fogarty 

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 6:50 AM

Subject: RE: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back

 

Hi arnld,

Just wondering why you didn’t keep it and put windows on it in bootcamp?

That would  give you vboth platforms and you can keep learnig on the 
apple os.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Hudson
Sent: Thursday, 7 July 2016 8:37 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back

Arnold, if you ever get another one I would like to offer you some free 
one-on-one support with assisting you with your Mac in your tough struggles. My 
information that I would like you to have been say is below in my signature. I 
had my Mac from most two years and I don't regret getting it. I will say this, 
I can probably work a few more websites now that I couldn't work with Jaws with 
my Mac or my iPho and this message is not just for Arnold this is for anybody 
who has trouble with the Mac still free to use interviews my information in my 
signature as well as you wish.

Joseph Hudson

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  On Jul 6, 2016, at 3:50 AM, Arnold Schmidt <arno...@mindspring.com> 
wrote:

  I wand to thank everyone for the help I have received over the past 
two weeks, concerning my Mac Mini.  However, I ended up taking it back after 
all yesterday, which was my last day to return it.  

  To attempt to make a long message not quite so long, I guess I just 
wasn't getting it as much as I think I should have been.  Every time I would 
turn it on, it seemed that I still was having to look up how to do things that 
I thought I had already learned, and it definitely was getting more frustrating 
than fun, being that I could very easily do those things in Windows, or on my 
iPhone.  And in the end, what was going to be the real benefit to me?  ITunes 
allegedly easier to use, and being able to install the OS myself.  

  Being th

Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back

[Andy]

Hi Arnold.

I purchased my beutiful 27 inch Imac about 5 weeks ago now and guess what?
I've learned nothing apart from a few basic commands, but guess what?  That's 
the way I like it!

I'm going to slow right down and think, rather than act and enjoy each and 
every new experience and see this learning experience as an important milestone 
in my life, rather than a very difficult task, which I suppose, it aint!


I'm in absolutely no hurry and as long as I've got my book and I'm a member of 
this list and I hold onto my windows for email for the meantime, then I'm a 
happy chappy, because, slowly but surely, I'll learn this new OS but 
importantly, I'll enjoy it!

Now I'm off to wash the evening dishes and that's something completely 
different!

Glad to hear you are going to stick with it my friend.

Very best wishes.
Andy.


  - Original Message - 
  From: Katie Zodrow 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 6:47 PM
  Subject: Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back


  Hi Arnold.
  That's great! I'm glad you're looking into getting a used Mac. Then you can 
continue  learning the OS some more on your days off work and you probably 
won't be as rushed trying to learn everything.
  Katie
  Sent from my iPhone

  On Jul 7, 2016, at 9:54 AM, Arnold Schmidt <arno...@mindspring.com> wrote:


Quite literally, my time was up.  As you will read in some other messages, 
I am checking into some used equipment.  Consider my taking the new one back 
the end of the chapter, not necessarily the end of the story.

Arnold Schmidt
  - Original Message - 
  From: Simon Fogarty 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 6:50 AM
  Subject: RE: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back


  Hi arnld,



  Just wondering why you didn’t keep it and put windows on it in bootcamp?



  That would  give you vboth platforms and you can keep learnig on the 
apple os.



  From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Hudson
  Sent: Thursday, 7 July 2016 8:37 AM
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back



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On Jul 6, 2016, at 3:50 AM, Arnold Schmidt <arno...@mindspring.com> 
wrote:



I wand to thank everyone for the help I have received over the past two 
weeks, concerning my Mac Mini.  However, I ended up taking it back after all 
yesterday, which was my last day to return it.  



To attempt to make a long message not quite so long, I guess I just 
wasn't getting it as much as I think I should have been.  Every time I would 
turn it on, it seemed that I still was having to look up how to do things that 
I thought I had already learned, and it definitely was getting more frustrating 
than fun, being that I could very easily do those things in Windows, or on my 
iPhone.  And in the end, what was going to be the real benefit to me?  ITunes 
allegedly easier to use, and being able to install the OS myself.  



Being that yesterday was going to be my last day, I started out 
intending to put in a lot of extra time with it, before the time for my 
paratransit trip to return it arrived, which I still thought I was going to 
cancel.  So, I decided to log into my bank web site, which I had not attempted 
yet.  I successfully passed the first step in the two-step verification, but 
then, no matter what I tried, I couldn't get it to read the security question 
it wanted answered.  No problem in Windows, or my iPhone, no go on this Mac 
mini.  I could tell  the location for the answer field, I could find what 
should have been the question field, it just wouldn't read anything.  I typed 
in the answer to one of my security questions, which, of course, was the wrong 
answer for the question it was asking.  I am sure the inability to get it to 
read the security question was mine, not the Mac Mini's .  So, I closed Safari, 
then decided to turn on keyboard help, just to t

Re: Mac book recommendation please

[Andy]

Hi John.

I'm getting slightly confused as usual again!

You said that you purchased a 13 Pro.  Are you talking about a Macbook Pro or a 
Macbook Air Pro?

It's important John as I'm very close to making my mind up as which way to go 
and to be honest with you, the Apple Store in Glasgow seems to have the answer, 
though very expensive.

Andy.
  - Original Message - 
  From: jaan ali 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 1:32 AM
  Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please


  I want to contribute as well the thing is that that in 15 inch there is more 
space on the side which I don't like it personally  but 13 inch pro is best I 
have 13 inch Pro  2015 core i7  16gb ram   512gb storage 
  I bought it refurnish from the Apple directly


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  On Jun 28, 2016, at 7:43 PM, Andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com> wrote:


Hi Scott.

This is exactly the kind of information I've been seeking for some days now 
with no luck.  You've gave me a bit to ponder but I'm very atracted to the 
Macbook Air 13 inch with the better keyboard at this time.
See.  Now we are getting somewhare.  It's easy for me now to get my mate to 
search on Ebay, though a re-furnished model from the Apple Store may very well 
be worth considering.  So a phone call tomorrow is on the cards and who knows, 
I may be able to go for my first training session after next week?


Very best wishes.
Andy.


  - Original Message - 
  From: Scott Granados 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 12:09 AM
  Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please


  Hi Andy, ah that clears it up then.  I thought from the original post you 
just needed the laptop for a one time use for training. 


  There’s a lot of ways to go.




  The air is the thinnest model.  It has a real keyboard with discrete 
keys.  The spread between the keys is surprisingly good especially for the 
size.  I’d go with the larger 13 inch model for more hand room.


  Let me try to clear up some of the confusion on the different models.


  The Macbook is the least powerful version.  It uses a mobile processor 
and probably isn’t for you in that it is very under powered.  I’m not sure what 
Apple was thinking market wise with this device but if I were you I’d skip it.


  The Air is a nice super thin model.  Would be great for your traveling 
and fits nicely in a bag or you can get it a nice hard shell covering.  It’s 
maybe a quarter inch thick, has great battery life and you can get an I5 or I7 
model depending on your processing needs.  This model has been around a while 
so you may also buy previous years versions or on the second hand market to 
save some extra money.


  Then you have the pro of where there are two types, the 13 inch an 15 
inch.  Other than screen size difference the 15 inch model can have more 
processing power.


  About processing power, I know that can be confusing.  Typically with 
Apple you’re dealing with either an I5 or I7.  These are Intel processors where 
think of the number as a grade or class.  A 7 is a more powerful processor than 
a 5.
  When you hear the word cores mentioned, processors now have more than one 
physical processing component or core on a single piece of silicon.  So in one 
slot you may actually have 2 or 4 processors in the case of Apple or other 
devices 12 or more cores or processors per slot.  The more cores means more 
processing units to bring to bare on your tasks.  The way these get assigned 
and used is way outside the scope here and I don’t want to confuse you worse.  
Just as a general  rule the more cores and better quality processor the better 
for performance.  You need to decide whether you want to spend more or less 
here.  


  The 13 inch and 15 inch pros have been around a good long while so you 
have lots of previous year options if you want to save some money and you can 
also go with a factory refurbished option direct from Apple.  Again you can 
speak to your budget needs best.


  The 15 inch model has a bit better graphics card, obviously slightly 
larger screen and all models of the pro have a very good keyboard.  Feels a lot 
like the air but with a little more throw on the keys but not enough to 
drastically impact your experience I don’t think.


  The best thing I could suggest is if you can have a feel of the units.  I 
don’t know what your computer buying options

Re: Mac book recommendation please

[Andy]

Hi again Scott.

I'vde not yet replied to today's messages, but rather started going through 
older messages to try and catch up.

I'm thinking quite seriously now of simply going for a Macbook Air 13 inch 
second hand.

I'm slightly confused though Scott.  Did you refer to the 13 and 15 inch 
versions as Macbook Pro's or Macbook Air's???

On 17 July, I'll have the funds to get what I want and of course Scott, I want 
to make the right decision.


Andy.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Scott Granados 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 12:09 AM
  Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please


  Hi Andy, ah that clears it up then.  I thought from the original post you 
just needed the laptop for a one time use for training.


  There’s a lot of ways to go.




  The air is the thinnest model.  It has a real keyboard with discrete keys.  
The spread between the keys is surprisingly good especially for the size.  I’d 
go with the larger 13 inch model for more hand room.


  Let me try to clear up some of the confusion on the different models.


  The Macbook is the least powerful version.  It uses a mobile processor and 
probably isn’t for you in that it is very under powered.  I’m not sure what 
Apple was thinking market wise with this device but if I were you I’d skip it.


  The Air is a nice super thin model.  Would be great for your traveling and 
fits nicely in a bag or you can get it a nice hard shell covering.  It’s maybe 
a quarter inch thick, has great battery life and you can get an I5 or I7 model 
depending on your processing needs.  This model has been around a while so you 
may also buy previous years versions or on the second hand market to save some 
extra money.


  Then you have the pro of where there are two types, the 13 inch an 15 inch.  
Other than screen size difference the 15 inch model can have more processing 
power.


  About processing power, I know that can be confusing.  Typically with Apple 
you’re dealing with either an I5 or I7.  These are Intel processors where think 
of the number as a grade or class.  A 7 is a more powerful processor than a 5.
  When you hear the word cores mentioned, processors now have more than one 
physical processing component or core on a single piece of silicon.  So in one 
slot you may actually have 2 or 4 processors in the case of Apple or other 
devices 12 or more cores or processors per slot.  The more cores means more 
processing units to bring to bare on your tasks.  The way these get assigned 
and used is way outside the scope here and I don’t want to confuse you worse.  
Just as a general  rule the more cores and better quality processor the better 
for performance.  You need to decide whether you want to spend more or less 
here.  


  The 13 inch and 15 inch pros have been around a good long while so you have 
lots of previous year options if you want to save some money and you can also 
go with a factory refurbished option direct from Apple.  Again you can speak to 
your budget needs best.


  The 15 inch model has a bit better graphics card, obviously slightly larger 
screen and all models of the pro have a very good keyboard.  Feels a lot like 
the air but with a little more throw on the keys but not enough to drastically 
impact your experience I don’t think.


  The best thing I could suggest is if you can have a feel of the units.  I 
don’t know what your computer buying options are in Scotland but here in the 
states we have stores where they are all set up to touch and type on.  I know 
you have an Apple store there but you may have another store geographically 
closer to you for convenience.


  If I were you I’d go with the air for portability reasons if you like to 
travel a lot or if you feel you need a lot of horsepower in a mobile package 
the 13 inch pro should have more than enough juice.  If you want to go top of 
the line and spend spend spend go 15 inch but I’m not sure you’ll gain a lot of 
functionality for the money.  I’m an engineer, use the heck out of my laptop 
and a 13 inch model did me just fine.


  The Mini isn’t for you if you want to travel.  It’s still a desktop so you’ll 
be carrying a separate monitor, keyboard, the associated cables and the mini 
itself.  If you want a decent home desktop or media server type deal the Mini 
is a decent option.  If you want to travel though I’d take that off your list.


  Let me know if I can help any further.


  Good luck with your travels and apple purchase.




On Jun 28, 2016, at 2:12 PM, Andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com> wrote:


Oh Scott.

I do need a portable device because I'm going on a 14 day hotel trip later 
this year to train with my new dog, and I simply could not stand being stuck in 
a hotel room with nothing.  Also, I'm hoping to have a holiday later this year 
if I can get the dog out of the way firstly, so again, I need something to keep 
me in contact with civilasation .  In addition, I

Re: Mac book recommendation please

[Andy]

Hi Scott and Simon.

Here it is at last from the horses mouth.

Thats a MacBook Pro with CD drive the newer models don’t have CD drives.
So the details ar:
MacBook Pro 13inch late 2011 model.
processor: 2.4Ghz Intel Core i5
Memory: 4Gb  


If you get one cheap you can upgrade the memory etc at minimum cost.
Let me know how you get on.

These are the words of the guy who is offering me free one-to-one training and 
that's the computer he uses for training at his office in Glasgow.

Late 2011 would seem to me as quite elderly and if these computers are still 
available, will be cheeper than the £625 that the Apple store are wanting for a 
2015 13 inch Macbook Air.

What do you think guys.  Should I get my other friend to see if he can pick one 
up on Ebay or is it perhaps too old, being late 2011?

Very best wishes.
Andy.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Scott Granados 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 12:21 PM
  Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please


  Hi Simon, 500 pounds is about what 700 US?  Do you think that’s enough to get 
in the door with Apple directly?  Sounds a little thin especially when you 
consider the additional costs over seas but I may be wrong.


  BTW, if Andy can get better deals with in the US with US dollars from Apple 
I’d be happy to be a proxy for that transaction and for no charge other than 
the cost of the unit and shipping.  Just an idea if there are any excessive 
import charges or anything.   Also, as Andy mentioned, Ebay may be a very good 
option.  I don’t know how popular craigslist is in the UK but here it’s very 
popular and lots of Mac products can be had for a deep discount if you know 
what you’re looking for.


  Either way, hope all works out well.


  Let me know if I can be of help.


On Jun 30, 2016, at 6:55 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:


    Hi Andy,

500 pounds is a lot of cash,
If you have access to a computer that your comfortable surfing the net 
with, I’d suggest having a look at the apple website for the uk and see what 
they have in the way of refurbished devices.

500 pounds might be enough to get a refurbished mac book air I find the 11 
inch great, same keyboard processor ram and ssd as the 13 inch just smaller 
screan size.

Good luck and hey if you don’t buy or find one now, then you have time to 
save more for another day and the more you have can always be a good thing.


From: 
macvisionaries@googlegroups.com[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Andy
Sent: Thursday, 30 June 2016 4:54 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please

Hi Symon.

I think I should be able to put my hands on £500, if I tighten my belt a 
little more.  So do you think that a refurnished Macbook from the Apple store 
would be possible or do I need to save a little more?

I'm looking for a computer that is tactyle and is running El Capitan, so 
herhaps I may have just enough.

Once I talk to Apple tomorrow, I'll get back to all and I'll, hopefully, be 
a happy chappy.

Very best wishes.
    Andy.
  - Original Message -
  From: Simon Fogarty
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 10:45 AM
  Subject: RE: Mac book recommendation please

      Hi Andy,

Mac book air second hand,
  When you say second hand, how old are we talking?

  This could be the difference between using up to date OS and not.

  Also do you know much about it as in specs and condition of it?

  And as for what scott said, anything we can do to assist via facetime etc 
just ask

  Chers,


  Simon f

  From: 
macvisionaries@googlegroups.com[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Andy
  Sent: Wednesday, 29 June 2016 11:31 AM
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please

  Hi again Scott.

  Thanks for the offer my friend.  Face-time was one of the main 
attractions for me to buy an Imac.  I'm very much hoping to  be able to talk to 
my wee sister in Canada soon, via my Imac and face-time.  But alass Scott.  I'm 
still right on square one!  I can just about turn my Imac on! It will be months 
before I can use Skype or Face-time. 

  This is why I'm really keen on taking up this training offer in Glasgow.  
All of my friends here, who are sighted, are Windows users.  So I'm out there 
on my own on a limb and despite everything Scott.  I wouldn't have it any other 
way.  It's up to us blind guys to embarras our sighted friends to getting off 
their bums and do something, hahaha.

  But it would be really nice if I had an Apple friend or at least anyone 
who had some understanding of my Imac!

  But in the meantime, I've got this offer of training and it's looking so 
far that the Macbook Air, second-hand, will be my best bet to help me t

Re: Mac book recommendation please

[Andy]

Hi Symon.

I think I should be able to put my hands on £500, if I tighten my belt a little 
more.  So do you think that a refurnished Macbook from the Apple store would be 
possible or do I need to save a little more?

I'm looking for a computer that is tactyle and is running El Capitan, so 
herhaps I may have just enough.

Once I talk to Apple tomorrow, I'll get back to all and I'll, hopefully, be a 
happy chappy.

Very best wishes.
Andy.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Simon Fogarty 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 10:45 AM
  Subject: RE: Mac book recommendation please


  Hi Andy,

   

Mac book air second hand, 

  When you say second hand, how old are we talking?

   

  This could be the difference between using up to date OS and not.

   

  Also do you know much about it as in specs and condition of it? 

   

  And as for what scott said, anything we can do to assist via facetime etc 
just ask 

   

  Chers,

   

   

  Simon f

   

  From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andy
  Sent: Wednesday, 29 June 2016 11:31 AM
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please

   

  Hi again Scott.

   

  Thanks for the offer my friend.  Face-time was one of the main attractions 
for me to buy an Imac.  I'm very much hoping to  be able to talk to my wee 
sister in Canada soon, via my Imac and face-time.  But alass Scott.  I'm still 
right on square one!  I can just about turn my Imac on! It will be months 
before I can use Skype or Face-time.  

   

  This is why I'm really keen on taking up this training offer in Glasgow.  All 
of my friends here, who are sighted, are Windows users.  So I'm out there on my 
own on a limb and despite everything Scott.  I wouldn't have it any other way.  
It's up to us blind guys to embarras our sighted friends to getting off their 
bums and do something, hahaha.

   

  But it would be really nice if I had an Apple friend or at least anyone who 
had some understanding of my Imac!

   

  But in the meantime, I've got this offer of training and it's looking so far 
that the Macbook Air, second-hand, will be my best bet to help me through the 
training.

   

   

  Very best wishes.

  Andy.

- Original Message f- 

From: Scott Granados 

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 12:12 AM

Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please

 

Andy, if it’s easier for you to have a quick question and answer session so 
you can gain more information faster I’d be more than happy to Skype / FaceTime 
/ call you on the land line and help you work through your buying decision. 

 

That’s if your pressed for time.  Let me know if I can be of any help.

 

  On Jun 28, 2016, at 6:46 PM, Andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com> wrote:

   

  Hi Kimber.

   

  Thank goodness someone at last understood my request.  Yes, the keyboard 
is very important to me  as I've very poor sense of touch.

   

  I've been reading up on the Macbook, the Macbook pro, the Macbook mini 
and the Macbook Air and I'm completely lost and even more confused.

   

  So, it's nice to have your recommendation and I'm feeling that I'm at 
last getting some responce to my enquiries.

   

  You see, I have no experience at all of Apple products.  All of the Mac's 
I mentioned above.  I've never ever seen or touched on and all of my friends 
are Windows, so I'm in a fix.

   

  So thanks again for your responce.  It's getting me thinking.

   

  Very best wishes.

  Andy.

- Original Message - 

From: Kimberly

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 10:01 PM

Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please

 

The Mac air keyboard is quite good. The keys are full size and have a 
nice firmness when typing.

Sent from Kimber's iPhone


On Jun 28, 2016, at 2:12 PM, Andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com> wrote:

  Oh Scott.

   

  I do need a portable device because I'm going on a 14 day hotel trip 
later this year to train with my new dog, and I simply could not stand being 
stuck in a hotel room with nothing.  Also, I'm hoping to have a holiday later 
this year if I can get the dog out of the way firstly, so again, I need 
something to keep me in contact with civilasation .  In addition, I think it 
would be quite nice to go to my local pub and sit there doing my email and 
other things, so hiring a mac book is no good.

   

  You recommend a Macbook Air.  Does that have a tactyle keyboard or is 
there perhaps something better to consider?

   

  Very best wishes.

  Andy.

   

   

   

  - Original Message - 

Re: Mac book recommendation please

[Andy]

Hi Simon.

I've had loads of helpful advice from this list today and yes, you are right.  
I'm going to telephone the Apple Store in Glasgow tomorrow and see what they 
may have in refurnished equipment.

I've had so much good advice that it's very difficult.

The guy who gave me the one day training in Glasgow, had a Macbook, which had a 
CD rom on the right hand side.  It was perhaps an older machine and the keys 
were lovely and I really liked that particular computer.

I think it was a Macbook pro of 2012-14 era yet I was assured by my trainer 
that it had never caused him any problems in all of that time.

I'd like to identify that model, but failing that, it's looking like a second 
hand Macbook Air.

Very best wishes.
Andy.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Simon Fogarty 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 10:50 AM
  Subject: RE: Mac book recommendation please


  Andy,

   

  The refurbished devices are a great option,

   

  With one year apple warrenty so you should be covered and the products have 
all been cleaned up and checked to make sure they are up to scratch regarding 
apples quality assurance standards.

   


   

  From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andy
  Sent: Wednesday, 29 June 2016 11:43 AM
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please

   

  Hi Scott.

   

  This is exactly the kind of information I've been seeking for some days now 
with no luck.  You've gave me a bit to ponder but I'm very atracted to the 
Macbook Air 13 inch with the better keyboard at this time.

  See.  Now we are getting somewhare.  It's easy for me now to get my mate to 
search on Ebay, though a re-furnished model from the Apple Store may very well 
be worth considering.  So a phone call tomorrow is on the cards and who knows, 
I may be able to go for my first training session after next week?

   

   

  Very best wishes.

  Andy.

   

   

- Original Message - 

From: Scott Granados 

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 12:09 AM

Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please

 

Hi Andy, ah that clears it up then.  I thought from the original post you 
just needed the laptop for a one time use for training. 

 

There’s a lot of ways to go.

 

 

The air is the thinnest model.  It has a real keyboard with discrete keys.  
The spread between the keys is surprisingly good especially for the size.  I’d 
go with the larger 13 inch model for more hand room.

 

Let me try to clear up some of the confusion on the different models.

 

The Macbook is the least powerful version.  It uses a mobile processor and 
probably isn’t for you in that it is very under powered.  I’m not sure what 
Apple was thinking market wise with this device but if I were you I’d skip it.

 

The Air is a nice super thin model.  Would be great for your traveling and 
fits nicely in a bag or you can get it a nice hard shell covering.  It’s maybe 
a quarter inch thick, has great battery life and you can get an I5 or I7 model 
depending on your processing needs.  This model has been around a while so you 
may also buy previous years versions or on the second hand market to save some 
extra money.

 

Then you have the pro of where there are two types, the 13 inch an 15 inch. 
 Other than screen size difference the 15 inch model can have more processing 
power.

 

About processing power, I know that can be confusing.  Typically with Apple 
you’re dealing with either an I5 or I7.  These are Intel processors where think 
of the number as a grade or class.  A 7 is a more powerful processor than a 5.

When you hear the word cores mentioned, processors now have more than one 
physical processing component or core on a single piece of silicon.  So in one 
slot you may actually have 2 or 4 processors in the case of Apple or other 
devices 12 or more cores or processors per slot.  The more cores means more 
processing units to bring to bare on your tasks.  The way these get assigned 
and used is way outside the scope here and I don’t want to confuse you worse.  
Just as a general  rule the more cores and better quality processor the better 
for performance.  You need to decide whether you want to spend more or less 
here.  

 

The 13 inch and 15 inch pros have been around a good long while so you have 
lots of previous year options if you want to save some money and you can also 
go with a factory refurbished option direct from Apple.  Again you can speak to 
your budget needs best.

 

The 15 inch model has a bit better graphics card, obviously slightly larger 
screen and all models of the pro have a very good keyboard.  Feels a lot like 
the air but with a little more throw on the keys but not enough to drastically 
impact your experience I don’t think

Re: Mac book recommendation please

[Andy]

Hi Scott.

This is exactly the kind of information I've been seeking for some days now 
with no luck.  You've gave me a bit to ponder but I'm very atracted to the 
Macbook Air 13 inch with the better keyboard at this time.
See.  Now we are getting somewhare.  It's easy for me now to get my mate to 
search on Ebay, though a re-furnished model from the Apple Store may very well 
be worth considering.  So a phone call tomorrow is on the cards and who knows, 
I may be able to go for my first training session after next week?


Very best wishes.
Andy.


  - Original Message - 
  From: Scott Granados 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 12:09 AM
  Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please


  Hi Andy, ah that clears it up then.  I thought from the original post you 
just needed the laptop for a one time use for training.


  There’s a lot of ways to go.




  The air is the thinnest model.  It has a real keyboard with discrete keys.  
The spread between the keys is surprisingly good especially for the size.  I’d 
go with the larger 13 inch model for more hand room.


  Let me try to clear up some of the confusion on the different models.


  The Macbook is the least powerful version.  It uses a mobile processor and 
probably isn’t for you in that it is very under powered.  I’m not sure what 
Apple was thinking market wise with this device but if I were you I’d skip it.


  The Air is a nice super thin model.  Would be great for your traveling and 
fits nicely in a bag or you can get it a nice hard shell covering.  It’s maybe 
a quarter inch thick, has great battery life and you can get an I5 or I7 model 
depending on your processing needs.  This model has been around a while so you 
may also buy previous years versions or on the second hand market to save some 
extra money.


  Then you have the pro of where there are two types, the 13 inch an 15 inch.  
Other than screen size difference the 15 inch model can have more processing 
power.


  About processing power, I know that can be confusing.  Typically with Apple 
you’re dealing with either an I5 or I7.  These are Intel processors where think 
of the number as a grade or class.  A 7 is a more powerful processor than a 5.
  When you hear the word cores mentioned, processors now have more than one 
physical processing component or core on a single piece of silicon.  So in one 
slot you may actually have 2 or 4 processors in the case of Apple or other 
devices 12 or more cores or processors per slot.  The more cores means more 
processing units to bring to bare on your tasks.  The way these get assigned 
and used is way outside the scope here and I don’t want to confuse you worse.  
Just as a general  rule the more cores and better quality processor the better 
for performance.  You need to decide whether you want to spend more or less 
here.  


  The 13 inch and 15 inch pros have been around a good long while so you have 
lots of previous year options if you want to save some money and you can also 
go with a factory refurbished option direct from Apple.  Again you can speak to 
your budget needs best.


  The 15 inch model has a bit better graphics card, obviously slightly larger 
screen and all models of the pro have a very good keyboard.  Feels a lot like 
the air but with a little more throw on the keys but not enough to drastically 
impact your experience I don’t think.


  The best thing I could suggest is if you can have a feel of the units.  I 
don’t know what your computer buying options are in Scotland but here in the 
states we have stores where they are all set up to touch and type on.  I know 
you have an Apple store there but you may have another store geographically 
closer to you for convenience.


  If I were you I’d go with the air for portability reasons if you like to 
travel a lot or if you feel you need a lot of horsepower in a mobile package 
the 13 inch pro should have more than enough juice.  If you want to go top of 
the line and spend spend spend go 15 inch but I’m not sure you’ll gain a lot of 
functionality for the money.  I’m an engineer, use the heck out of my laptop 
and a 13 inch model did me just fine.


  The Mini isn’t for you if you want to travel.  It’s still a desktop so you’ll 
be carrying a separate monitor, keyboard, the associated cables and the mini 
itself.  If you want a decent home desktop or media server type deal the Mini 
is a decent option.  If you want to travel though I’d take that off your list.


  Let me know if I can help any further.


  Good luck with your travels and apple purchase.




On Jun 28, 2016, at 2:12 PM, Andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com> wrote:


Oh Scott.

I do need a portable device because I'm going on a 14 day hotel trip later 
this year to train with my new dog, and I simply could not stand being stuck in 
a hotel room with nothing.  Also, I'm hoping to have a holiday later this year 
if I can get the dog out of t

Re: Mac book recommendation please

[Andy]

What!  Scott!  This is incredible!  I need a "Dongle" to get onto the internet 
whatever model I choose?  This Cannot be Scott!

A "Dongle" would take up of the very few USB's surely?

Andy.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Scott Granados 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 12:11 AM
  Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please


  Sorry to say the newer versions of the Macbook pro do not include built in 
ethernet interfaces. You must use a dongle for all apple products on the laptop 
side now I believe.  I’m not sure about the macbook itself but the air and pro 
both require dongles.  I think the last pro that had a built in ethernet was a 
2011 or early 12 model.


  Hope that helps


On Jun 28, 2016, at 7:06 PM, Marshall Scott <mfsc...@mac.com> wrote:


Hi, Andy,
If you want to have a true portable computer, the Mac Mini is not for you.  
It is basically designed to be used with a separate monitor and keyboard.


The Mac Book Aire is lightweight and is very portable but I don't know how 
well you would like the keyboard.  It also requires a dongle to conect to an 
Ethernet.   Wyfy is build in.  There is no built in hard drive or DVD drive.


The Mac Book Pro has a hard drive and a DVD drive as well as an Ethernet 
connection and WyFy.


I'm not sure what the Mac Book has in terms of hardware.


HTH


Marshall


  On Jun 28, 2016, at 4:46 PM, Andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com> wrote:


  Hi Kimber.

  Thank goodness someone at last understood my request.  Yes, the keyboard 
is very important to me  as I've very poor sense of touch.

  I've been reading up on the Macbook, the Macbook pro, the Macbook mini 
and the Macbook Air and I'm completely lost and even more confused.

  So, it's nice to have your recommendation and I'm feeling that I'm at 
last getting some responce to my enquiries.

  You see, I have no experience at all of Apple products.  All of the Mac's 
I mentioned above.  I've never ever seen or touched on and all of my friends 
are Windows, so I'm in a fix.

  So thanks again for your responce.  It's getting me thinking.

  Very best wishes.
  Andy.
- Original Message - 
From: Kimberly
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 10:01 PM
Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please


The Mac air keyboard is quite good. The keys are full size and have a 
nice firmness when typing.

Sent from Kimber's iPhone

    On Jun 28, 2016, at 2:12 PM, Andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com> wrote:


  Oh Scott.

  I do need a portable device because I'm going on a 14 day hotel trip 
later this year to train with my new dog, and I simply could not stand being 
stuck in a hotel room with nothing.  Also, I'm hoping to have a holiday later 
this year if I can get the dog out of the way firstly, so again, I need 
something to keep me in contact with civilasation .  In addition, I think it 
would be quite nice to go to my local pub and sit there doing my email and 
other things, so hiring a mac book is no good.

  You recommend a Macbook Air.  Does that have a tactyle keyboard or is 
there perhaps something better to consider?

  Very best wishes.
  Andy.



  - Original Message - 
From: Scott Granados
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 3:45 PM
Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please


Hi Andy, 


Depends on what you want to do.  A Macbook Air would be a fine 
option especially for a secondary machine.  Probably low enough on the cost 
especially on the second hand market.


A pro will give you more horse power but if you already have that 
IMac I think you’re probably in good shape.


Here’s a whacky idea, what about renting a Macbook Pro for a few 
days for the training and then going back to your iMac when you’re done.  Less 
expensive and you don’t end up with hardware you don’t sound like you need.


  On Jun 28, 2016, at 10:42 AM, Andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com> 
wrote:


  Hi all.

  I have just purchased an imac desk-top computer but in order for 
me to undergo one-to-one training in my area, I need to buy a second hand 
portable device.

  Once I have a recomendation, a friend can have a look on Ebay.

  I'd like a mac lap-top and if possible, running El Capitan.

  My sense of touch is very poor so I need a mac book with a pretty 
good keyboard on it.  I could attach the Apple USB keyboard if necessary, but 
that's another bit of equipment to carry.

  So should I buy a second hand Mac book pro:  a Mac book or 
something similar?

  Your advise would be very welcome as I'm jus

Re: Mac book recommendation please

[Andy]

Hi again Scott.

Thanks for the offer my friend.  Face-time was one of the main attractions for 
me to buy an Imac.  I'm very much hoping to  be able to talk to my wee sister 
in Canada soon, via my Imac and face-time.  But alass Scott.  I'm still right 
on square one!  I can just about turn my Imac on! It will be months before I 
can use Skype or Face-time.  

This is why I'm really keen on taking up this training offer in Glasgow.  All 
of my friends here, who are sighted, are Windows users.  So I'm out there on my 
own on a limb and despite everything Scott.  I wouldn't have it any other way.  
It's up to us blind guys to embarras our sighted friends to getting off their 
bums and do something, hahaha.

But it would be really nice if I had an Apple friend or at least anyone who had 
some understanding of my Imac!

But in the meantime, I've got this offer of training and it's looking so far 
that the Macbook Air, second-hand, will be my best bet to help me through the 
training.


Very best wishes.
Andy.
  - Original Message f- 
  From: Scott Granados 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 12:12 AM
  Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please


  Andy, if it’s easier for you to have a quick question and answer session so 
you can gain more information faster I’d be more than happy to Skype / FaceTime 
/ call you on the land line and help you work through your buying decision.


  That’s if your pressed for time.  Let me know if I can be of any help.


On Jun 28, 2016, at 6:46 PM, Andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com> wrote:


Hi Kimber.

Thank goodness someone at last understood my request.  Yes, the keyboard is 
very important to me  as I've very poor sense of touch.

I've been reading up on the Macbook, the Macbook pro, the Macbook mini and 
the Macbook Air and I'm completely lost and even more confused.

So, it's nice to have your recommendation and I'm feeling that I'm at last 
getting some responce to my enquiries.

You see, I have no experience at all of Apple products.  All of the Mac's I 
mentioned above.  I've never ever seen or touched on and all of my friends are 
Windows, so I'm in a fix.

So thanks again for your responce.  It's getting me thinking.

Very best wishes.
    Andy.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kimberly
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 10:01 PM
  Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please


  The Mac air keyboard is quite good. The keys are full size and have a 
nice firmness when typing.

  Sent from Kimber's iPhone

  On Jun 28, 2016, at 2:12 PM, Andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com> wrote:


Oh Scott.

I do need a portable device because I'm going on a 14 day hotel trip 
later this year to train with my new dog, and I simply could not stand being 
stuck in a hotel room with nothing.  Also, I'm hoping to have a holiday later 
this year if I can get the dog out of the way firstly, so again, I need 
something to keep me in contact with civilasation .  In addition, I think it 
would be quite nice to go to my local pub and sit there doing my email and 
other things, so hiring a mac book is no good.

You recommend a Macbook Air.  Does that have a tactyle keyboard or is 
there perhaps something better to consider?

Very best wishes.
Andy.



- Original Message - 
  From: Scott Granados
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 3:45 PM
  Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please


  Hi Andy, 


  Depends on what you want to do.  A Macbook Air would be a fine option 
especially for a secondary machine.  Probably low enough on the cost especially 
on the second hand market.


  A pro will give you more horse power but if you already have that 
IMac I think you’re probably in good shape.


  Here’s a whacky idea, what about renting a Macbook Pro for a few days 
for the training and then going back to your iMac when you’re done.  Less 
expensive and you don’t end up with hardware you don’t sound like you need.


On Jun 28, 2016, at 10:42 AM, Andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com> 
wrote:


Hi all.

I have just purchased an imac desk-top computer but in order for me 
to undergo one-to-one training in my area, I need to buy a second hand portable 
device.

Once I have a recomendation, a friend can have a look on Ebay.

I'd like a mac lap-top and if possible, running El Capitan.

My sense of touch is very poor so I need a mac book with a pretty 
good keyboard on it.  I could attach the Apple USB keyboard if necessary, but 
that's another bit of equipment to carry.

So should I buy a second hand Mac book pro:  a Mac book or 
something similar?

Your advise would be very welcome as I'm jus

Re: Mac book recommendation please

[Andy]

Hi Kimber.

Thank goodness someone at last understood my request.  Yes, the keyboard is 
very important to me  as I've very poor sense of touch.

I've been reading up on the Macbook, the Macbook pro, the Macbook mini and the 
Macbook Air and I'm completely lost and even more confused.

So, it's nice to have your recommendation and I'm feeling that I'm at last 
getting some responce to my enquiries.

You see, I have no experience at all of Apple products.  All of the Mac's I 
mentioned above.  I've never ever seen or touched on and all of my friends are 
Windows, so I'm in a fix.

So thanks again for your responce.  It's getting me thinking.

Very best wishes.
Andy.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kimberly 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 10:01 PM
  Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please


  The Mac air keyboard is quite good. The keys are full size and have a nice 
firmness when typing.

  Sent from Kimber's iPhone

  On Jun 28, 2016, at 2:12 PM, Andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com> wrote:


Oh Scott.

I do need a portable device because I'm going on a 14 day hotel trip later 
this year to train with my new dog, and I simply could not stand being stuck in 
a hotel room with nothing.  Also, I'm hoping to have a holiday later this year 
if I can get the dog out of the way firstly, so again, I need something to keep 
me in contact with civilasation .  In addition, I think it would be quite nice 
to go to my local pub and sit there doing my email and other things, so hiring 
a mac book is no good.

You recommend a Macbook Air.  Does that have a tactyle keyboard or is there 
perhaps something better to consider?

Very best wishes.
    Andy.



- Original Message - 
  From: Scott Granados 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 3:45 PM
  Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please


      Hi Andy, 


  Depends on what you want to do.  A Macbook Air would be a fine option 
especially for a secondary machine.  Probably low enough on the cost especially 
on the second hand market.


  A pro will give you more horse power but if you already have that IMac I 
think you’re probably in good shape.


  Here’s a whacky idea, what about renting a Macbook Pro for a few days for 
the training and then going back to your iMac when you’re done.  Less expensive 
and you don’t end up with hardware you don’t sound like you need.


On Jun 28, 2016, at 10:42 AM, Andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com> wrote:


Hi all.

I have just purchased an imac desk-top computer but in order for me to 
undergo one-to-one training in my area, I need to buy a second hand portable 
device.

Once I have a recomendation, a friend can have a look on Ebay.

I'd like a mac lap-top and if possible, running El Capitan.

My sense of touch is very poor so I need a mac book with a pretty good 
keyboard on it.  I could attach the Apple USB keyboard if necessary, but that's 
another bit of equipment to carry.

So should I buy a second hand Mac book pro:  a Mac book or something 
similar?

Your advise would be very welcome as I'm just dying to take up this 
training opertunity.

Very best wishes.
Andy.


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Re: Mac book recommendation please

[Andy]

Oh Scott.

I do need a portable device because I'm going on a 14 day hotel trip later this 
year to train with my new dog, and I simply could not stand being stuck in a 
hotel room with nothing.  Also, I'm hoping to have a holiday later this year if 
I can get the dog out of the way firstly, so again, I need something to keep me 
in contact with civilasation .  In addition, I think it would be quite nice to 
go to my local pub and sit there doing my email and other things, so hiring a 
mac book is no good.

You recommend a Macbook Air.  Does that have a tactyle keyboard or is there 
perhaps something better to consider?

Very best wishes.
Andy.



- Original Message - 
  From: Scott Granados 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 3:45 PM
  Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please


  Hi Andy,


  Depends on what you want to do.  A Macbook Air would be a fine option 
especially for a secondary machine.  Probably low enough on the cost especially 
on the second hand market.


  A pro will give you more horse power but if you already have that IMac I 
think you’re probably in good shape.


  Here’s a whacky idea, what about renting a Macbook Pro for a few days for the 
training and then going back to your iMac when you’re done.  Less expensive and 
you don’t end up with hardware you don’t sound like you need.


On Jun 28, 2016, at 10:42 AM, Andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com> wrote:


Hi all.

I have just purchased an imac desk-top computer but in order for me to 
undergo one-to-one training in my area, I need to buy a second hand portable 
device.

Once I have a recomendation, a friend can have a look on Ebay.

I'd like a mac lap-top and if possible, running El Capitan.

My sense of touch is very poor so I need a mac book with a pretty good 
keyboard on it.  I could attach the Apple USB keyboard if necessary, but that's 
another bit of equipment to carry.

So should I buy a second hand Mac book pro:  a Mac book or something 
similar?

Your advise would be very welcome as I'm just dying to take up this 
training opertunity.

Very best wishes.
    Andy.


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Mac book recommendation please

[Andy]

Hi all.

I have just purchased an imac desk-top computer but in order for me to undergo 
one-to-one training in my area, I need to buy a second hand portable device.

Once I have a recomendation, a friend can have a look on Ebay.

I'd like a mac lap-top and if possible, running El Capitan.

My sense of touch is very poor so I need a mac book with a pretty good keyboard 
on it.  I could attach the Apple USB keyboard if necessary, but that's another 
bit of equipment to carry.

So should I buy a second hand Mac book pro:  a Mac book or something similar?

Your advise would be very welcome as I'm just dying to take up this training 
opertunity.

Very best wishes.
Andy.

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Re: Brexit, wishing our friends across the pond well

[Andy]

Hi again Simon.

My nephew, Ewan qualified as a Constructural Engineer, some two  years before 
the Christ-Church disaster and told me he was thinking of going to Sidney 
Austraillia to work.

I advised him as strongly as I could to consider Christ-Church as a volunteer, 
just after the disaster, adding that this would set him up to no end, if later 
he required Citizenship.

Very surprisingly, he told me that he was going to Sidney because this was 
where the money was.

Despite my attempts to convey to him the value of Brownie Points, especially 
during a natural disaster episode, he stuck to his guns and is now working 
happily in Sydney.

Now, if that was me, I'd have offered my assistance to the authorities at the 
time and you know what, I'd be well tucked in by now.  Foolish him eh?

Andy.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Simon Fogarty 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2016 12:46 PM
  Subject: RE: Brexit, wishing our friends across the pond well


  Hi Andy, glad you could take the joke,

   

  Yeah Christchurch isn’t much to look at these days and yeah it like Dunedin 
is approx. 2500 Km away from the prison islands east coast  Sydney / Melbourne.

  Brisbain is a bit further cause it is up hill.

  Dunedin is approx. 400 Km south of Christchurch,  

  And currently full of foreigners either welsh or outside of Dunedin, we’ve  
got the wales rugby team and all blacks playing tonight here in town,

   

  As for austrailia 

   It’s a prison island sitting in the sun baking away.

  Can’t say lot more as it’s not worth talking about really.

   

  From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andy
  Sent: Saturday, 25 June 2016 8:33 PM
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: Brexit, wishing our friends across the pond well

   

  Hoy partner.

   

  I was just the other day talking with a friend from the South Island of New 
Zeland.  Of course we think of you but I'm as guilty as my european friends to 
attach you to Austrailia, despite knowing that Christchurch is hundreds of 
miles away.

   

  Many people think I'm English but I'm not.  I just live close by.

   

  And I never had a kilt in my life.  Too cold here around the trosucks! 

   

  Andy.

   

   

- Original Message - 

From: Simon Fogarty 

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Friday, June 24, 2016 10:26 PM

Subject: RE: Brexit, wishing our friends across the pond well

 

Hey you skirt wearing crazy man, we live here to.

What about New Zealand, I’m hert by that, 

 

Just because no one knows we’re down here doesn’t mean we don’t exist.

 

Hmmmp. Off I go in a huff!

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: Saturday, 25 June 2016 5:36 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Brexit, wishing our friends across the pond well

 

Hi all.

 

I'm Scottish and a proud European and a proud member of this and other 
lists , concerned with the blind community , which include all of my friends in 
Britain America, Canada and Australia.

Can I please assure you all that Scotland did not vote last night to leave 
Europe!

 

In Scotland we have 32 Local Authorities and each returned a vote to remain 
with in Europe.  That's Leave 0 votes, Remain 32 votes, to keep things as they 
are, which represents 62 % of our voting community, so pleas, to my American 
friends, don't be Trumpted with this rubbish, the result was a vicctory for my 
little country..

 

However, little Scotland is only  a quarter of the UK and it seems that 
almost every one else voted to leave.

  

I'm a proud Scot, a British resident and until yesterday, a equally proud 
Euro pean.

 

Today, Well I’m gutted.  I'm no longer considered, against my will,  to be 
European as I've been dragged out of this relationship by my English naibours 
and I find myself Scottish and Brittish only once more..  

 

To be honest because of the treachery from Westminster, I've turned my back 
on Brittan and declare that I'm Scottish and only Scottish and proud of it and 
have lifted the flag for Independence again.  I intend to volunteer to work 
voluntary with the Scottish National Party and intend to work flat out to help 
us make our country remain as a part of Europe, and continue to welcome all 
workers and visitors from all over the world to make the Scottish Experience a 
reality for them, and above all, an enlightened and valuable experience for 
them.

 

Donald Trump has today, on the shores of Scotland expressed his delight 
that the UK has voted to leave the EU.

 

He's daft.  He expressed his feelings in a country that is devastated with 
the result of last nights vote.

 

Does he have no P. A. staff:

 

Surely, before

Re: Brexit, wishing our friends across the pond well

[Andy]

Hoy partner.

I was just the other day talking with a friend from the South Island of New 
Zeland.  Of course we think of you but I'm as guilty as my european friends to 
attach you to Austrailia, despite knowing that Christchurch is hundreds of 
miles away.

Many people think I'm English but I'm not.  I just live close by.

And I never had a kilt in my life.  Too cold here around the trosucks! 

Andy.


  - Original Message - 
  From: Simon Fogarty 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, June 24, 2016 10:26 PM
  Subject: RE: Brexit, wishing our friends across the pond well


  Hey you skirt wearing crazy man, we live here to.

  What about New Zealand, I’m hert by that, 

   

  Just because no one knows we’re down here doesn’t mean we don’t exist.

   

  Hmmmp. Off I go in a huff!

   

  From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andy
  Sent: Saturday, 25 June 2016 5:36 AM
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: Brexit, wishing our friends across the pond well

   

  Hi all.

   

  I'm Scottish and a proud European and a proud member of this and other lists 
, concerned with the blind community , which include all of my friends in 
Britain America, Canada and Australia.

  Can I please assure you all that Scotland did not vote last night to leave 
Europe!

   

  In Scotland we have 32 Local Authorities and each returned a vote to remain 
with in Europe.  That's Leave 0 votes, Remain 32 votes, to keep things as they 
are, which represents 62 % of our voting community, so pleas, to my American 
friends, don't be Trumpted with this rubbish, the result was a vicctory for my 
little country..

   

  However, little Scotland is only  a quarter of the UK and it seems that 
almost every one else voted to leave.



  I'm a proud Scot, a British resident and until yesterday, a equally proud 
Euro pean.

   

  Today, Well I’m gutted.  I'm no longer considered, against my will,  to be 
European as I've been dragged out of this relationship by my English naibours 
and I find myself Scottish and Brittish only once more..  

   

  To be honest because of the treachery from Westminster, I've turned my back 
on Brittan and declare that I'm Scottish and only Scottish and proud of it and 
have lifted the flag for Independence again.  I intend to volunteer to work 
voluntary with the Scottish National Party and intend to work flat out to help 
us make our country remain as a part of Europe, and continue to welcome all 
workers and visitors from all over the world to make the Scottish Experience a 
reality for them, and above all, an enlightened and valuable experience for 
them.

   

  Donald Trump has today, on the shores of Scotland expressed his delight that 
the UK has voted to leave the EU.

   

  He's daft.  He expressed his feelings in a country that is devastated with 
the result of last nights vote.

   

  Does he have no P. A. staff:

   

  Surely, before opening his big fat mouth "again" he would have checked the 
beach to make sure there was a safe landing for him and his cronies.

   

  But this is Donald.  This is the future with Scotland forced into turning her 
back on friends and collegues in Europ with Donald Trump as the most powerful 
man in the world.

   

  As for me, I’m Scottish and like many of my American and Canaidian friends, 
I’m very proud of my country and heritage and I'm sure you will agree, that 
there is nothing wrong with that!

  No matter the future, I will remain very much part of our very special blind 
community and I’m proud of that also.

   

  So thanks guys and thanks for thinking of little Scotland at a time of 
turmoile.

   

  We will always be friends in this small blind community of ours, and that's a 
promise, so please fink of us in your thoughts tonight.  Our special 
relationship goes back to the war of independanse and valuable and not to be 
tossed aside by the likes of Trump!

   

   

   

  Very best wishes as always.

   

  Andy Logue from Kilcreggan Scotland.

- Original Message - 

From: Kawal Gucukoglu 

To: Macvisionaries 

Sent: Friday, June 24, 2016 2:04 PM

Subject: Re: Brexit, wishing our friends across the pond well

 

So today, I have very anxious feelings of what will be for Britain next?   

 

Scotland wishes to leave and may be we get the reunification for Ireland so 
where does this leave the rest of the UK, England and Wales? 

 

I just hope inflation and interest rates will not rise and present risks to 
our livelihoods.  I deplore British citizens saying that this vote was worth 
people losing their jobs.  I have been feeling very emotional and upset because 
of some selfish people in society.  I voted to remain like I said and on TV at 
the moment there are those who are still arguing as to what happens next and 
the rest of the EU saying that there will be consequences

Re: Brexit, wishing our friends across the pond well

[Andy]

This is absolute rubbish!

Scotland has a population of 5 mil and England has a population of 60 mil.  
Just how much influence do you credit us for.

As far as turn out, 62% of Scots able to vote supported our Governments wish to 
remain within Europe.  62% is quite a good result and to finish, I don't tell 
lies so your opening line was offensive to me.

Andy and as far as I'm concerned this subject is dead
  - Original Message - 
  From: Scott Granados 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2016 8:24 AM
  Subject: Re: Brexit, wishing our friends across the pond well


  Andy, your not telling the truth though.

   

  While you’re absolutely correct, Scotland most definitely voted to stay, your 
turn out was pitiful in comparison to the other regions.  You alone could have 
changed the course of the election if your people didn’t stay home.  The 
percentages were something like 62% in favor in Scotland of remain but in terms 
of raw numbers only a smaller segment of your population turned out.  If there 
was a larger turn out, even in the similar ratios you might have narrowed 
things even further or even reversed the decision.  Keep in mind I’ll be the 
first to tell you I’m getting my news through the American propaganda machine 
and while I get some direct from the continent it’s mostly US media that I’ve 
followed.  I have read interesting things about the distribution of stay verses 
leave votes.

  The other thing that I think is important to say though is if you and your 
countrymen feel that strongly then you to should leave and rule your country as 
you wish.  I no more support London forcing their views on you if you don’t 
want them then Brussels forcing their views and being a proxy for Germany to 
subvert the electorate in your united kingdom as well.  As a member of the 
former colonies who broke awayJ I could never take another position and be 
honest.  We did it so I wouldn’t tell you or anyone else to stay against your 
will.  If you can convince the majority to join you then what’s fair is fair.  
Same with Ireland.  I personally think you’re better off together but then it 
doesn’t matter a hill of beans what I think because I have no skin in the game.


   

   

   

  From: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> on behalf of Andy 
<meikle.ai...@btinternet.com>
  Reply-To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
  Date: Friday, June 24, 2016 at 1:36 PM
  To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
  Subject: Re: Brexit, wishing our friends across the pond well

   


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Re: Brexit, wishing our friends across the pond well

[Andy]

hi Vaughn.

It really sounds crazy, but last nights vote has taken all of the UK's four 
nations, Ireland, Wales, Scotland and England, out of Europe without 
Scotland having it's say.


Hardly anyone in the UK  would have put money on Brittan leaving the 
European Community last night, so to be honest, we did not see it coming,, 
until we woke this morning.


To be fair on England, they have had more than their shair of refugees and 
this is causing terrible problems in a local sense, regarding, housing, 
medical care, education and so on.  The English therefor, are too some 
extent justifyed in expressing their concerns with this diminished lack of 
local provision, but in doing so makes them look heartless and uncaring, as 
many of these refugees are coming from the middle east.  A problem I may add 
of our Governments own making.



This represents very poor forward planning from our polititions, who will 
enter into conflict and not give a thought to the future commitments or 
responsibilities of their actions



On the opposing side  however, my First Minister, Miss Nicola Sturgen, is 
welcoming all new comers to Scotland as do I as we need professional young 
staff to run this country, after we are gone, so all are welcome.

Very best wishes.
Andy.



- Original Message - 
From: "Vaughn Brown" <jazzdress...@gmail.com>

To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2016 8:03 PM
Subject: Re: Brexit, wishing our friends across the pond well
Andy,

This conversation has been fascinating to me from a historical pointof 
view -- and it sounds like the Scottish are not pleased with

Britain politically speaking. Who cares about the golf course? That
trip of his made me upset. But American ignorance aside, educate us on
how Scottish is impacted. It seems to me that Scotland is still part
of Europe but that Britain has left the union. I understand the world
financial influence. When I think of the UK, or Great Britain, I think
of England, Wales, and Scotland. With Scotland's not wanting to
divorce from the EU, what does this mean? And what about Wales?
It sounds like England was the one to dodge out.
Thank you for the education and clarification.

Vaughn

On 6/24/16, Andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com> wrote:

Hi all.



I'm Scottish and a proud European and a proud member of this and other 
lists

, concerned with the blind community , which include all of my friends in
Britain America, Canada and Australia.

Can I please assure you all that Scotland did not vote last night to leave
Europe!



In Scotland we have 32 Local Authorities and each returned a vote to 
remain

with in Europe.  That's Leave 0 votes, Remain 32 votes, to keep things as
they are, which represents 62 % of our voting community, so pleas, to my
American friends, don't be Trumpted with this rubbish, the result was a
vicctory for my little country..



However, little Scotland is only  a quarter of the UK and it seems that
almost every one else voted to leave.



I'm a proud Scot, a British resident and until yesterday, a equally proud
Euro pean.



Today, Well I’m gutted.  I'm no longer considered, against my will,  to be
European as I've been dragged out of this relationship by my English
naibours and I find myself Scottish and Brittish only once more..



To be honest because of the treachery from Westminster, I've turned my 
back

on Brittan and declare that I'm Scottish and only Scottish and proud of it
and have lifted the flag for Independence again.  I intend to volunteer to
work voluntary with the Scottish National Party and intend to work flat 
out

to help us make our country remain as a part of Europe, and continue to
welcome all workers and visitors from all over the world to make the
Scottish Experience a reality for them, and above all, an enlightened and
valuable experience for them.



Donald Trump has today, on the shores of Scotland expressed his delight 
that

the UK has voted to leave the EU.



He's daft.  He expressed his feelings in a country that is devastated with
the result of last nights vote.



Does he have no P. A. staff:



Surely, before opening his big fat mouth "again" he would have checked the
beach to make sure there was a safe landing for him and his cronies.



But this is Donald.  This is the future with Scotland forced into turning
her back on friends and collegues in Europ with Donald Trump as the most
powerful man in the world.



As for me, I’m Scottish and like many of my American and Canaidian 
friends,
I’m very proud of my country and heritage and I'm sure you will agree, 
that

there is nothing wrong with that!

No matter the future, I will remain very much part of our very special 
blind

community and I’m proud of that also.



So thanks guys and thanks for thinking of little Scotland at a time of
turmoile.



We will always be friends in this small blind community of ours, and 
that's

a promise, so please fink of us 

Re: Brexit, wishing our friends across the pond well

[Andy]

Hi all.



I'm Scottish and a proud European and a proud member of this and other lists , 
concerned with the blind community , which include all of my friends in Britain 
America, Canada and Australia.

Can I please assure you all that Scotland did not vote last night to leave 
Europe!



In Scotland we have 32 Local Authorities and each returned a vote to remain 
with in Europe.  That's Leave 0 votes, Remain 32 votes, to keep things as they 
are, which represents 62 % of our voting community, so pleas, to my American 
friends, don't be Trumpted with this rubbish, the result was a vicctory for my 
little country..

 

However, little Scotland is only  a quarter of the UK and it seems that almost 
every one else voted to leave.

  

I'm a proud Scot, a British resident and until yesterday, a equally proud Euro 
pean.



Today, Well I’m gutted.  I'm no longer considered, against my will,  to be 
European as I've been dragged out of this relationship by my English naibours 
and I find myself Scottish and Brittish only once more..  



To be honest because of the treachery from Westminster, I've turned my back on 
Brittan and declare that I'm Scottish and only Scottish and proud of it and 
have lifted the flag for Independence again.  I intend to volunteer to work 
voluntary with the Scottish National Party and intend to work flat out to help 
us make our country remain as a part of Europe, and continue to welcome all 
workers and visitors from all over the world to make the Scottish Experience a 
reality for them, and above all, an enlightened and valuable experience for 
them.



Donald Trump has today, on the shores of Scotland expressed his delight that 
the UK has voted to leave the EU.



He's daft.  He expressed his feelings in a country that is devastated with the 
result of last nights vote.



Does he have no P. A. staff:



Surely, before opening his big fat mouth "again" he would have checked the 
beach to make sure there was a safe landing for him and his cronies.

 

But this is Donald.  This is the future with Scotland forced into turning her 
back on friends and collegues in Europ with Donald Trump as the most powerful 
man in the world.

 

As for me, I’m Scottish and like many of my American and Canaidian friends, I’m 
very proud of my country and heritage and I'm sure you will agree, that there 
is nothing wrong with that!

No matter the future, I will remain very much part of our very special blind 
community and I’m proud of that also.

 

So thanks guys and thanks for thinking of little Scotland at a time of turmoile.

 

We will always be friends in this small blind community of ours, and that's a 
promise, so please fink of us in your thoughts tonight.  Our special 
relationship goes back to the war of independanse and valuable and not to be 
tossed aside by the likes of Trump!





 

Very best wishes as always.

 

Andy Logue from Kilcreggan Scotland.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Kawal Gucukoglu 
  To: Macvisionaries 
  Sent: Friday, June 24, 2016 2:04 PM
  Subject: Re: Brexit, wishing our friends across the pond well


  So today, I have very anxious feelings of what will be for Britain next?  


  Scotland wishes to leave and may be we get the reunification for Ireland so 
where does this leave the rest of the UK, England and Wales?


  I just hope inflation and interest rates will not rise and present risks to 
our livelihoods.  I deplore British citizens saying that this vote was worth 
people losing their jobs.  I have been feeling very emotional and upset because 
of some selfish people in society.  I voted to remain like I said and on TV at 
the moment there are those who are still arguing as to what happens next and 
the rest of the EU saying that there will be consequences.  How can the world 
heal, come together and be more tolerant?  Then Mr Trump changing his tune to 
fit the circumstances.  American are also in some difficulty as the Democrats 
had a sitting in congress to get gun laws but the republicans say no so there 
is no unity in the world and at present I am worried about how things will pan 
out for the world.  Sorry this is pessimistic but I live for the long term and 
not the short.  I am a deep person and take seriously the world’s problems to 
heart.


  Kawal.


On 24 Jun 2016, at 13:05, CHUCK REICHEL <soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com> 
wrote:


Hi Scott,
Sorry to hear about your loss. :(
As for England I also will raise a frosty mug of Sam adams and celebrate 
and wait till "november" here in the USA for the same!
GOD Bless America!
Home of Apple! :)
Talk soon
Chuck

On Jun 23, 2016, at 11:58 PM, Scott Granados wrote:


  Well I’ve been riveted watching this all day, I’m going on 24 hours here, 
it’s also a welcome distraction to some really really bad stuff happening on my 
family level right now so forgive me if I use your country’s politics as a 
distraction.:)  My gr

Re: Looking for audio or even txt tutorials to get me started with VO and my new Mac

[Andy]

Hi Cheree.

Thanks for that reference.  I'll see if I can check it out tomorrow.

Thank you for that.

Very best wishes.
Andy.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Cheree Heppe 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 6:23 AM
  Subject: Re: Looking for audio or even txt tutorials to get me started with 
VO and my new Mac


  Cheree Heppe here:
  I am liking and learning from a book on the ibooks store titled:
  Mastering the Macintosh With VoiceOver by Tim Sniphin (SP)


  Sent from my iPhone

  On Jun 13, 2016, at 9:28 PM, Andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com> wrote:


Hi Kimeer.

where these books available as text files or Braille?

I ask because I never took to braille, given my poor sense of touch.

Very best wishes.
    Andy.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kimberly 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 12:16 AM
  Subject: Re: Looking for audio or even txt tutorials to get me started 
with VO and my new Mac


  Andy,


  There are a couple of books available from the national Braille press 
that will give you a good starting point. They are written by Janet Ingber and 
are specific to the operating system you have. I bought the one written for 
Yosemite and found it very helpful even though I am still running Lion due to 
the age of my computer. This book was the best resource I found, no lie.


  Kimber

  Sent from Kimber's iPhone

  On Jun 13, 2016, at 1:19 PM, Andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com> wrote:


Hi all.

I've jumped ship from Win 7 to a beutiful 27 inch Imac with Elcapitan 
and I'm stuck.

I cannot for the life of me find affordable tutorials, in any format, 
to get me started.

I bought the new computer and jumped ship because I was convinced that 
there must be lpoads of training materials available to help me, but 
unfortunately, the lovely shine is quickly leaving my new computer.

So I need some form of formate media to help me learn about voice over 
and how to get started .

Any information would be absolutely appricieated.

Andy.

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Re: Looking for audio or even txt tutorials to get me started with VO and my new Mac

[Andy]

Hi Chris.

Just working my way down my list of mails to read and respond to.  I've been 
meaning to get back to for about 5 days since your kind offer of telephone 
support.


Chris.  I live in Scotland so telephone conversations, from this side of the 
pond, anyway, are very prohibitive with respect to that form of training. 
Furthermore, I usually like to take important notes or record things during 
training and find that text documents through JAWS, pressing the pause key 
now and again, is my best way of learning.


But what I was thinking Chris.  In view of your obvious experience and 
extensive knowledge base, you would be of more help to someone like me on 
one-off paid consultencies.


For example, I do have two practical problems, right off the bat.  These are 
namely:


1.  My computer askes for a password every time it is wakened up.

2.  VO is not on to prompt me to sign in on boot up for some reason.

I wish to get rid of having to log in entirely as it's pointless and as for 
automatically going off to sleep, I think I'd really like to hold onto that 
control and turn my computer off or send it to sleep if I want.


There is one other issue\:

My computer came with the magic mouse and magic keyboard.  I hate the 
keyboard.


I purchased, from the Apple Store in Glasgow, a longer apple usb keyboard 
with arrow keys and numeric pad.  A lovely keyboard and easy to feel your 
way around.  I still need to purchase an apple usb mouse though.


But I was thinking.  At present I've two keyboards plugged in to my Imac. 
One is a usb power cord and as far as I'm concerned the Magic mouse has no 
way of recharging.


But in any case, surely I'd have to make some changes to settings to tell my 
imac which type of mouse and keyboard I had plugged in.


So this is what I'm thinking of Chris.  If you could assist me through step 
by step instructions through email, then I could perhaps do a bank transfer 
for something like£25.00.  That's about $30.00.


What do you think Chris?  Do you think a consultency along this kind of 
model would be something you would be interested in?  I should not use you 
often but it would be reasuring to me and others I suppose if they were able 
to seek  out technical support at the point of need.


Let me know what you think.

Very best wishes.
Andy Logue.
- Original Message - 
From: "Christopher-Mark Gilland" <clgillan...@gmail.com>

To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 10:27 PM
Subject: Re: Looking for audio or even txt tutorials to get me started with 
VO and my new Mac



Absolutely, you are *NOT!* being annoying!  We are here to help.  It's 
quite all right, so please feel welcomed in this list.  You're perfectly 
fine.


Chris.

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- Original Message - 
From: Andy

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 4:44 PM
Subject: Re: Looking for audio or even txt tutorials to get me started 
with VO and my new Mac



Hi again Kimber.

Sorry to be a pest, but are you talking about a text document that I can 
read on my computer or a paper-back book which requires sight?


If the former, would you have a url to the particular site or page?

very best wishes and sorry if I'm annoying everyone know with my 
questions.


Very best wishes.
Andy.

- Original Message - 
From: Kimberly

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: Looking for audio or even txt tutorials to get me started 
with VO and my new Mac



The books are available as text files which can be downloaded.


Sent from Kimber's iPhone

On Jun 14, 2016, at 12:28 AM, Andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com> wrote:


Hi Kimeer.

where these books available as text files or Braille?

I ask because I never took to braille, given my poor sense of touch.

Very best wishes.
Andy.
- Original Message - 
From: Kimberly

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 12:16 AM
Subject: Re: Looking for audio or even txt tutorials to get me started 
with VO and my new Mac



Andy,


There are a couple of books available from the national Braille press that 
will give you a good starting point. They are written by Janet Ingber and 
are specific to the operating system you have. I bought the one written 
for Yosemite and found it very helpful even though I am still running Lion 
due to the age of my computer. This book was the best resource I found, no 
lie.



Kimber

Sent from Kimber's iPhone

On Jun 13, 2016, at 1:19 PM, Andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com> wrote:


Hi all.

I've jumped ship from Win 7 to a beutiful 27 inch Imac with Elcapitan and 
I'm stuck.


I cannot for the life of me find affordable tutorials, in any format, to 
get me started.


I bought the new computer and jumped ship because I was convinced that 
there must be lpoads of train

Training materials problems resolved for Imac

[Andy]

Hi guys.

Over the last week I've been searching for appropriate training materials to 
help me get started on my new Imac.

I'm delighted to say that list member Kimber advised me to visit the National 
Braille Press of the USA and search for a book titled: Janet Ingber - 
Everything You Need to Know to Use the Mac.

Well I did that this afternoon with sighted assistance, found the book and 
downloaded it as a single txt document all for $22.00.

This is fantastic value and the book covers everything I will need to know 
about Voice-Over, Apple Mail, Safari and so on.  So I'm delighted with this 
outcome.

So great thanks to everyone who offered advise on this matter it was very 
appriciated.

Very best wishes.
Andy Logue.

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Re: Looking for audio or even txt tutorials to get me started with VO and my new Mac

[Andy]

Hi again Simon.

Most of my problems are resolved my friend.

I was advised by another member to check out the National Braille Press of 
the USA and in particular, for a text book titled:


Janet Ingber - Everything You Need to Know to Use the Mac

Anyway, I'm very pleased to say that I found that particular book and have 
since downloaded  it as a single text file to my Win 7 computer for $22.00.


That's very good value.  There are almost 90 pages talking about all things 
apple, in terms of the Mac.  So that's me delighted and eager to start 
getting into the chapters.


Thanks again Simon for your support.  I was feeling a bit out on a limb 
befor I wrote to the list.


Very best wishes.
Andy.
- Original Message - 
From: "Andy" <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com>

To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 12:30 PM
Subject: Re: Looking for audio or even txt tutorials to get me started with 
VO and my new Mac




Hi Simon.

Yes, I kknow what a text document is Simon,, but I was wondering about 
this ibook service.


I'm not too sure if I'd like to try and listen to the book on my 4S whilst 
typing in instructions into my new mac.


I suppose I was half hoping that I could download these ibook titles into 
my win7 and read them with JAWS but it looks like this is not the case.


The problem I'd have downloading and reading an ibook on my mac is that 
I'm at the stage of turning my mac on so not able to download and start 
listening to an ibook.


Perhaps in a week or so when I overcame some of my initial problems with 
my mac, I will be in a position to benefit from materials from the ibook 
store.


Thanks symon for your help.

Very best wishes.
Andy.- Original Message - 
From: "Simon Fogarty" <si...@blinky-net.com>

To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 10:18 AM
Subject: RE: Looking for audio or even txt tutorials to get me started 
with VO and my new Mac




Hi andy,

A text file can be read with jaws,

A text file is the default file type for the windows notepad application,

Very simple to use with Jaws but also word, or pretty much any notepad or 
word processing product
iBooks is a very accessible app on the iPhone or iPad, I've not used it 
on the mac OS x operating system.


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andy

Sent: Wednesday, 15 June 2016 8:31 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Looking for audio or even txt tutorials to get me started 
with VO and my new Mac


Hi Paul.


I'm currently using my Windows 7 computer to do all my mail and searching 
for information relating to the Mac.


My new imac is just sitting there waiting for me to ge the confidence to 
get started.


I've never used ibooks!  Are they text files that I can download and read 
with JAWS or do you need some special equipment or be a member or 
subscribe to some agency?


If I am able to simply download a free text document type book, then that 
would be fantastic and I'd appriciate any relevent website were I may 
find these books.


Very best sishes.
- Original Message -
From: "Paul Mimms" <paul8...@gmail.com>
To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 2:07 AM
Subject: Re: Looking for audio or even txt tutorials to get me started 
with VO and my new Mac




In iBooks, you might want to try searching for a book called mastering
the Macintosh computer with voiceover. It's free.

When going the extra mile, you never run into a traffic jam!

Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus


On Jun 14, 2016, at 7:39 PM, Kimber Gardner
<kimbersinbox1...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Hi Andy,

You aren't being a pest. It's a document you can read on the computer.
In fact there are several formats from which you can choose depending
on how you wish to access the book. Here is a link to the most recent
version of the book for those running el capitan. If you need the
book for yoseminy just let me know and I can send you a link.

http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/MAC-CAPITAN.html?id=hLGdzmXA


On 6/14/16, Andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com> wrote:
Hi again Kimber.

Sorry to be a pest, but are you talking about a text document that I
can read on my computer or a paper-back book which requires sight?

If the former, would you have a url to the particular site or page?

very best wishes and sorry if I'm annoying everyone know with my
questions.

Very best wishes.
Andy.

 - Original Message -
 From: Kimberly
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 10:27 AM
 Subject: Re: Looking for audio or even txt tutorials to get me
started with VO and my new Mac


 The books are available as text files which can be downloaded.


 Sent from Kimber's iPhone

 On Jun 14, 2016, at 12:28 AM, Andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com> 
wrote:



   Hi Kimeer.

   where these books ava

Re: Looking for audio or even txt tutorials to get me started with VO and my new Mac

[Andy]

Hi again Kimber.

Got it and for only $22.00

I'm going to start reading tonight or over the next few days.  I'm all 
excited now because I've a whole book with chapters on Voice over, mail, the 
internet and loads more.  I can now take my time and enjoy the learning of 
my new system.


Just need to sort out a couple of logging on and sleeping issues that are 
bugging me.


So thanks a million times for the link.

Very best wishes.
Andy.
- Original Message - 
From: "Kimber Gardner" <kimbersinbox1...@gmail.com>

To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 1:39 AM
Subject: Re: Looking for audio or even txt tutorials to get me started with 
VO and my new Mac




Hi Andy,

You aren't being a pest. It's a document you can read on the computer.
In fact there are several formats from which you can choose depending
on how you wish to access the book. Here is a link to the most recent
version of the book for those running el capitan. If you need the book
for yoseminy just let me know and I can send you a link.

http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/MAC-CAPITAN.html?id=hLGdzmXA

On 6/14/16, Andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com> wrote:

Hi again Kimber.

Sorry to be a pest, but are you talking about a text document that I can
read on my computer or a paper-back book which requires sight?

If the former, would you have a url to the particular site or page?

very best wishes and sorry if I'm annoying everyone know with my 
questions.


Very best wishes.
Andy.

  - Original Message -
  From: Kimberly
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 10:27 AM
  Subject: Re: Looking for audio or even txt tutorials to get me started
with VO and my new Mac


  The books are available as text files which can be downloaded.


  Sent from Kimber's iPhone

  On Jun 14, 2016, at 12:28 AM, Andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com> wrote:


Hi Kimeer.

where these books available as text files or Braille?

I ask because I never took to braille, given my poor sense of touch.

Very best wishes.
Andy.
  - Original Message -
  From: Kimberly
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 12:16 AM
  Subject: Re: Looking for audio or even txt tutorials to get me 
started

with VO and my new Mac


  Andy,


  There are a couple of books available from the national Braille 
press
that will give you a good starting point. They are written by Janet 
Ingber
and are specific to the operating system you have. I bought the one 
written
for Yosemite and found it very helpful even though I am still running 
Lion
due to the age of my computer. This book was the best resource I found, 
no

lie.


  Kimber

  Sent from Kimber's iPhone

  On Jun 13, 2016, at 1:19 PM, Andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com>
wrote:


Hi all.

I've jumped ship from Win 7 to a beutiful 27 inch Imac with
Elcapitan and I'm stuck.

I cannot for the life of me find affordable tutorials, in any
format, to get me started.

I bought the new computer and jumped ship because I was convinced
that there must be lpoads of training materials available to help me, but
unfortunately, the lovely shine is quickly leaving my new computer.

So I need some form of formate media to help me learn about voice
over and how to get started .

Any information would be absolutely appricieated.

Andy.

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Re: Looking for audio or even txt tutorials to get me started with VO and my new Mac

[Andy]

Hi Simon.

Yes, I kknow what a text document is Simon,, but I was wondering about this 
ibook service.


I'm not too sure if I'd like to try and listen to the book on my 4S whilst 
typing in instructions into my new mac.


I suppose I was half hoping that I could download these ibook titles into my 
win7 and read them with JAWS but it looks like this is not the case.


The problem I'd have downloading and reading an ibook on my mac is that I'm 
at the stage of turning my mac on so not able to download and start 
listening to an ibook.


Perhaps in a week or so when I overcame some of my initial problems with my 
mac, I will be in a position to benefit from materials from the ibook store.


Thanks symon for your help.

Very best wishes.
Andy.- Original Message - 
From: "Simon Fogarty" <si...@blinky-net.com>

To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 10:18 AM
Subject: RE: Looking for audio or even txt tutorials to get me started with 
VO and my new Mac




Hi andy,

A text file can be read with jaws,

A text file is the default file type for the windows notepad application,

Very simple to use with Jaws but also word, or pretty much any notepad or 
word processing product
iBooks is a very accessible app on the iPhone or iPad, I've not used it on 
the mac OS x operating system.


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andy

Sent: Wednesday, 15 June 2016 8:31 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Looking for audio or even txt tutorials to get me started 
with VO and my new Mac


Hi Paul.


I'm currently using my Windows 7 computer to do all my mail and searching 
for information relating to the Mac.


My new imac is just sitting there waiting for me to ge the confidence to 
get started.


I've never used ibooks!  Are they text files that I can download and read 
with JAWS or do you need some special equipment or be a member or 
subscribe to some agency?


If I am able to simply download a free text document type book, then that 
would be fantastic and I'd appriciate any relevent website were I may find 
these books.


Very best sishes.
- Original Message -
From: "Paul Mimms" <paul8...@gmail.com>
To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 2:07 AM
Subject: Re: Looking for audio or even txt tutorials to get me started 
with VO and my new Mac




In iBooks, you might want to try searching for a book called mastering
the Macintosh computer with voiceover. It's free.

When going the extra mile, you never run into a traffic jam!

Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus


On Jun 14, 2016, at 7:39 PM, Kimber Gardner
<kimbersinbox1...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Hi Andy,

You aren't being a pest. It's a document you can read on the computer.
In fact there are several formats from which you can choose depending
on how you wish to access the book. Here is a link to the most recent
version of the book for those running el capitan. If you need the
book for yoseminy just let me know and I can send you a link.

http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/MAC-CAPITAN.html?id=hLGdzmXA


On 6/14/16, Andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com> wrote:
Hi again Kimber.

Sorry to be a pest, but are you talking about a text document that I
can read on my computer or a paper-back book which requires sight?

If the former, would you have a url to the particular site or page?

very best wishes and sorry if I'm annoying everyone know with my
questions.

Very best wishes.
Andy.

 - Original Message -
 From: Kimberly
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 10:27 AM
 Subject: Re: Looking for audio or even txt tutorials to get me
started with VO and my new Mac


 The books are available as text files which can be downloaded.


 Sent from Kimber's iPhone

 On Jun 14, 2016, at 12:28 AM, Andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com> 
wrote:



   Hi Kimeer.

   where these books available as text files or Braille?

   I ask because I never took to braille, given my poor sense of touch.

   Very best wishes.
   Andy.
 - Original Message -
 From: Kimberly
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 12:16 AM
 Subject: Re: Looking for audio or even txt tutorials to get me
started with VO and my new Mac


 Andy,


 There are a couple of books available from the national Braille
press
that will give you a good starting point. They are written by Janet
Ingber
and are specific to the operating system you have. I bought the one
written
for Yosemite and found it very helpful even though I am still running
Lion
due to the age of my computer. This book was the best resource I found,
no
lie.


 Kimber

 Sent from Kimber's iPhone

 On Jun 13, 2016, at 1:19 PM, Andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com>
wrote:


   Hi all.

   I've jumped ship from Win 7 to a beutiful 27 inch Imac wi

Re: Looking for audio or even txt tutorials to get me started with VO and my new Mac

[Andy]

Hi Paul.


I'm currently using my Windows 7 computer to do all my mail and searching 
for information relating to the Mac.


My new imac is just sitting there waiting for me to ge the confidence to get 
started.


I've never used ibooks!  Are they text files that I can download and read 
with JAWS or do you need some special equipment or be a member or subscribe 
to some agency?


If I am able to simply download a free text document type book, then that 
would be fantastic and I'd appriciate any relevent website were I may find 
these books.


Very best sishes.
- Original Message - 
From: "Paul Mimms" <paul8...@gmail.com>

To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 2:07 AM
Subject: Re: Looking for audio or even txt tutorials to get me started with 
VO and my new Mac



In iBooks, you might want to try searching for a book called mastering the 
Macintosh computer with voiceover. It's free.


When going the extra mile, you never run into a traffic jam!

Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus

On Jun 14, 2016, at 7:39 PM, Kimber Gardner <kimbersinbox1...@gmail.com> 
wrote:


Hi Andy,

You aren't being a pest. It's a document you can read on the computer.
In fact there are several formats from which you can choose depending
on how you wish to access the book. Here is a link to the most recent
version of the book for those running el capitan. If you need the book
for yoseminy just let me know and I can send you a link.

http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/MAC-CAPITAN.html?id=hLGdzmXA


On 6/14/16, Andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com> wrote:
Hi again Kimber.

Sorry to be a pest, but are you talking about a text document that I can
read on my computer or a paper-back book which requires sight?

If the former, would you have a url to the particular site or page?

very best wishes and sorry if I'm annoying everyone know with my 
questions.


Very best wishes.
Andy.

 - Original Message -
 From: Kimberly
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 10:27 AM
 Subject: Re: Looking for audio or even txt tutorials to get me started
with VO and my new Mac


 The books are available as text files which can be downloaded.


 Sent from Kimber's iPhone

 On Jun 14, 2016, at 12:28 AM, Andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com> wrote:


   Hi Kimeer.

   where these books available as text files or Braille?

   I ask because I never took to braille, given my poor sense of touch.

   Very best wishes.
   Andy.
 - Original Message -
 From: Kimberly
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 12:16 AM
 Subject: Re: Looking for audio or even txt tutorials to get me 
started

with VO and my new Mac


 Andy,


 There are a couple of books available from the national Braille 
press
that will give you a good starting point. They are written by Janet 
Ingber
and are specific to the operating system you have. I bought the one 
written
for Yosemite and found it very helpful even though I am still running 
Lion
due to the age of my computer. This book was the best resource I found, 
no

lie.


 Kimber

 Sent from Kimber's iPhone

 On Jun 13, 2016, at 1:19 PM, Andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com>
wrote:


   Hi all.

   I've jumped ship from Win 7 to a beutiful 27 inch Imac with
Elcapitan and I'm stuck.

   I cannot for the life of me find affordable tutorials, in any
format, to get me started.

   I bought the new computer and jumped ship because I was convinced
that there must be lpoads of training materials available to help me, 
but

unfortunately, the lovely shine is quickly leaving my new computer.

   So I need some form of formate media to help me learn about voice
over and how to get started .

   Any information would be absolutely appricieated.

   Andy.

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Re: Looking for audio or even txt tutorials to get me started with VO and my new Mac

[Andy]

Hi Simon.

New Zeland, whaw!  Lucky, lucky you.  Are you on the South Island or the 
North.  I've seen both on TV, a number of years ago, well, long enough to 
realise that I'd like to get the chance to visit your beutiful country one 
day, but alas this will not be possible as I cannot stand long haul flights.



I'm pleased that I can run my Imac with both the wireless keyboard and the 
USB keyboard installed.


Hopefully, If everything works, I'd like to get rid of the need for my 
computer to go to sleep after an hour and the need to sign in, made 
redundent.



But as you said, everything has it's own time and there is really no actuall 
necessity to do this now.



So I'll just keep both  keyboards runningand play abouta little more.

Very best wishes. Andy.




From: "Simon Fogarty" <si...@blinky-net.com>
To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 9:54 AM
Subject: RE: Looking for audio or even txt tutorials to get me started with 
VO and my new Mac




Hi andy,

t

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Beis is simon,


I'm in the edinbourgh of the south,

Dunedin NZ,

Your right you can change the log in so that you don't have to log in each 
time, but lets leave that till your ok with the keyboard.


As for your keyboard,
Pluging in a apple usb keyboard should not be an issue, infact having the 
USB keyboard and the wifi keyboard both plugged in is possible also.


Hope this helps.


And for resources,

This list is full of very smart mac users, and 98% of them are very 
helpful.


It's only when we get on or off the topic that it's a bad thing.

sf

half Of Andy
Sent: Tuesday, 14 June 2016 10:04 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.comving both the wifi keyboard
Subject: Re: Looking for audio or even txt tutorials to get me started 
with VO and my new Mac


Hi again Christopher.

I'm sorry, I'm all over the place at the moment, dealing with my mail on 
Win

7 as well as trying to find time to say hello to my Imac.

I'll check out the details you have provided, but I live in Scotland.  Not 
sure Christopher, but I think you live in the States and that telephone 
number may not apply.


In any case Christopher, I believe that my Imac problems lay in the fact 
that the guy I got to set it up, did it all wrong!


?surely , I need not sign in with my password every time my computer is 
wakened up.


I've also aggirvated the situation Christopher by unplugging the Apple 
magic wireless keyboard and plugged in an apple usb keyboard without 
changing anything in settings.


So it's all a bit of a mess and there is nobody here to assist apart from 
this list.



So I'm beginning to loose the situation totally.

Thanks again for your information, I'll have a look, once I've got some of
these basic things dealt with.

Very best wishes.
Andy.





- Original Message - 
From: "Christopher-Mark Gilland" <clgillan...@gmail.com>

To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 8:57 PM
Subject: Re: Looking for audio or even txt tutorials to get me started 
with

VO and my new Mac



Again, Scott forgot to give you the link to Applevis, which I gave you
earlier, but I'll give it to you again.

http://www.applevis.com

Also, you can call Apple directly 24 hours a day 7 days a week.  They 
have

a dedicated phone number to help Voiceover users with learning things on
the mac.  I'm confident they'd welcome your phone calls with very! open
arms.

Their number is:

1-877-204-3930.

From the main menu, choose option 2.

I hope this has been of help.
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

clgillan...@gmail.com
Phone: (704) 256-8010.
- Original Message - 
From: "Scott Granados" <sc...@qualityip.net>

To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 2:02 PM
Subject: Re: Looking for audio or even txt tutorials to get me started
with VO and my new Mac


You can also look for some pod casts from Mike Erigo that were very 
good.

Blindcooltech had them but google is your friend here.

Also, there is the documentation that Apple provides that will get you
started and ofcourse applevis.

Hope that helps


On 6/13/16, 1:28 PM, "Karen Lewellen" <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
on

behalf of klewel...@shellworld.net> wrote:


Hi,
No idea which os you are running but John, who is a member here, keeps
all
of the voiceover users guides in test on his website.
www.macfortheblind.com
Or I think that is correct.
I cannot say if it remains, but there is or was  a training built into
the
voiceover utility itself.
Loads of free options out there for you.
HTH,
Kare


On Mon, 13 Jun 2016, Andy wrote:


Hi all.

I've jumped ship from Win 7 to a beutiful 27 inch Imac with Elcapitan
and I'm stuck.

I cannot for the life of me find affordable tutorials, in any format,
to get me started.

Re: Looking for audio or even txt tutorials to get me started with VO and my new Mac

[Andy]

Hi again Kimber.

Sorry to be a pest, but are you talking about a text document that I can read 
on my computer or a paper-back book which requires sight?

If the former, would you have a url to the particular site or page?

very best wishes and sorry if I'm annoying everyone know with my questions.

Very best wishes.
Andy.

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  From: Kimberly 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 10:27 AM
  Subject: Re: Looking for audio or even txt tutorials to get me started with 
VO and my new Mac


  The books are available as text files which can be downloaded. 


  Sent from Kimber's iPhone

  On Jun 14, 2016, at 12:28 AM, Andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com> wrote:


Hi Kimeer.

where these books available as text files or Braille?

I ask because I never took to braille, given my poor sense of touch.

Very best wishes.
    Andy.
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  Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 12:16 AM
  Subject: Re: Looking for audio or even txt tutorials to get me started 
with VO and my new Mac


  Andy,


  There are a couple of books available from the national Braille press 
that will give you a good starting point. They are written by Janet Ingber and 
are specific to the operating system you have. I bought the one written for 
Yosemite and found it very helpful even though I am still running Lion due to 
the age of my computer. This book was the best resource I found, no lie.


  Kimber

  Sent from Kimber's iPhone

  On Jun 13, 2016, at 1:19 PM, Andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com> wrote:


Hi all.

I've jumped ship from Win 7 to a beutiful 27 inch Imac with Elcapitan 
and I'm stuck.

I cannot for the life of me find affordable tutorials, in any format, 
to get me started.

I bought the new computer and jumped ship because I was convinced that 
there must be lpoads of training materials available to help me, but 
unfortunately, the lovely shine is quickly leaving my new computer.

So I need some form of formate media to help me learn about voice over 
and how to get started .

Any information would be absolutely appricieated.

Andy.

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Re: Looking for audio or even txt tutorials to get me started with VO and my new Mac

[Andy]

Hi again Karen.

Yes absolutely!  This is exactly the type of thing I'm looking for.  I'd 
love to have copies of each please if you can give me a download link.


I've had a number of very kind responses from members offering individual 
support by telephone.  I live in Scotland so the phone bills would lead to a 
hammering from my wife Pauline.  Not too good at going through training by 
telephone in anycase as you cannot really consentrate on taking notes.  Much 
better to have text files, or better, audio tutorials.


Very best wishes.
Andy.
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Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 10:09 PM
Subject: Re: Looking for audio or even txt tutorials to get me started with 
VO and my new Mac




Ho again Andy,
You are most welcome.
I found, rather simply I might add, both a text copy of keyboard shortcuts 
for el captain, and the voiceover users guide in text.
If you  require them write me off list and I can either send them along or 
tell you where they can be found.

Kare


On Mon, 13 Jun 2016, Andy wrote:


Hi Karen.

Thank you for responding to my enquiry.

I am aware of John's site, Mac for the Blind and indeed, John is 
currently assisting me resolve my problems and does have a number of 
audio podcasts available, which I have already downloaded two of them.


However, I floored myself saving up for my new Imac and simply cannot 
afford these.


This is why I'm trying to locate some text tutorials or something like 
that, to get me going.


Thanks for your advise.

Very best wishes.
Andy.




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Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: Looking for audio or even txt tutorials to get me started 
with VO and my new Mac




 Hi,
 No idea which os you are running but John, who is a member here, keeps 
all

 of the voiceover users guides in test on his website.
 www.macfortheblind.com
 Or I think that is correct.
 I cannot say if it remains, but there is or was  a training built into 
the

 voiceover utility itself.
 Loads of free options out there for you.
 HTH,
 Kare

 On Mon, 13 Jun 2016, Andy wrote:

>  Hi all.
>
>  I've jumped ship from Win 7 to a beutiful 27 inch Imac with Elcapitan 
> and I'm stuck.

>
>  I cannot for the life of me find affordable tutorials, in any format, 
> to get me started.

>
>  I bought the new computer and jumped ship because I was convinced 
> that there must be lpoads of training materials available to help me, 
> but unfortunately, the lovely shine is quickly leaving my new 
> computer.

>
>  So I need some form of formate media to help me learn about voice 
> over and how to get started .

>
>  Any information would be absolutely appricieated.
>
>  Andy.
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Re: Looking for audio or even txt tutorials to get me started with VO and my new Mac

[Andy]

Hi Kimeer.

where these books available as text files or Braille?

I ask because I never took to braille, given my poor sense of touch.

Very best wishes.
Andy.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kimberly 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 12:16 AM
  Subject: Re: Looking for audio or even txt tutorials to get me started with 
VO and my new Mac


  Andy,


  There are a couple of books available from the national Braille press that 
will give you a good starting point. They are written by Janet Ingber and are 
specific to the operating system you have. I bought the one written for 
Yosemite and found it very helpful even though I am still running Lion due to 
the age of my computer. This book was the best resource I found, no lie.


  Kimber

  Sent from Kimber's iPhone

  On Jun 13, 2016, at 1:19 PM, Andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com> wrote:


Hi all.

I've jumped ship from Win 7 to a beutiful 27 inch Imac with Elcapitan and 
I'm stuck.

I cannot for the life of me find affordable tutorials, in any format, to 
get me started.

I bought the new computer and jumped ship because I was convinced that 
there must be lpoads of training materials available to help me, but 
unfortunately, the lovely shine is quickly leaving my new computer.

So I need some form of formate media to help me learn about voice over and 
how to get started .

Any information would be absolutely appricieated.

    Andy.

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Re: Looking for audio or even txt tutorials to get me started with VO and my new Mac

[Andy]

Hi again Christopher.

I'm sorry, I'm all over the place at the moment, dealing with my mail on Win 
7 as well as trying to find time to say hello to my Imac.


I'll check out the details you have provided, but I live in Scotland.  Not 
sure Christopher, but I think you live in the States and that telephone 
number may not apply.


In any case Christopher, I believe that my Imac problems lay in the fact 
that the guy I got to set it up, did it all wrong!


?surely , I need not sign in with my password every time my computer is 
wakened up.


I've also aggirvated the situation Christopher by unplugging the Apple magic 
wireless keyboard and plugged in an apple usb keyboard without changing 
anything in settings.


So it's all a bit of a mess and there is nobody here to assist apart from 
this list.



So I'm beginning to loose the situation totally.

Thanks again for your information, I'll have a look, once I've got some of 
these basic things dealt with.


Very best wishes.
Andy.





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Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 8:57 PM
Subject: Re: Looking for audio or even txt tutorials to get me started with 
VO and my new Mac



Again, Scott forgot to give you the link to Applevis, which I gave you 
earlier, but I'll give it to you again.


http://www.applevis.com

Also, you can call Apple directly 24 hours a day 7 days a week.  They have 
a dedicated phone number to help Voiceover users with learning things on 
the mac.  I'm confident they'd welcome your phone calls with very! open 
arms.


Their number is:

1-877-204-3930.

From the main menu, choose option 2.

I hope this has been of help.
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

clgillan...@gmail.com
Phone: (704) 256-8010.
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From: "Scott Granados" <sc...@qualityip.net>

To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 2:02 PM
Subject: Re: Looking for audio or even txt tutorials to get me started 
with VO and my new Mac



You can also look for some pod casts from Mike Erigo that were very good. 
Blindcooltech had them but google is your friend here.


Also, there is the documentation that Apple provides that will get you 
started and ofcourse applevis.


Hope that helps


On 6/13/16, 1:28 PM, "Karen Lewellen" <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com on 
behalf of klewel...@shellworld.net> wrote:



Hi,
No idea which os you are running but John, who is a member here, keeps 
all

of the voiceover users guides in test on his website.
www.macfortheblind.com
Or I think that is correct.
I cannot say if it remains, but there is or was  a training built into 
the

voiceover utility itself.
Loads of free options out there for you.
HTH,
Kare


On Mon, 13 Jun 2016, Andy wrote:


Hi all.

I've jumped ship from Win 7 to a beutiful 27 inch Imac with Elcapitan 
and I'm stuck.


I cannot for the life of me find affordable tutorials, in any format, 
to get me started.


I bought the new computer and jumped ship because I was convinced that 
there must be lpoads of training materials available to help me, but 
unfortunately, the lovely shine is quickly leaving my new computer.


So I need some form of formate media to help me learn about voice over 
and how to get started .


Any information would be absolutely appricieated.

Andy.

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Re: Looking for audio or even txt tutorials to get me started with VO and my new Mac

[Andy]

Hi Karen.

Thank you for responding to my enquiry.

I am aware of John's site, Mac for the Blind and indeed, John is currently 
assisting me resolve my problems and does have a number of audio podcasts 
available, which I have already downloaded two of them.


However, I floored myself saving up for my new Imac and simply cannot afford 
these.


This is why I'm trying to locate some text tutorials or something like that, 
to get me going.


Thanks for your advise.

Very best wishes.
Andy.




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From: "Karen Lewellen" <klewel...@shellworld.net>

To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: Looking for audio or even txt tutorials to get me started with 
VO and my new Mac




Hi,
No idea which os you are running but John, who is a member here, keeps all 
of the voiceover users guides in test on his website.

www.macfortheblind.com
Or I think that is correct.
I cannot say if it remains, but there is or was  a training built into the 
voiceover utility itself.

Loads of free options out there for you.
HTH,
Kare


On Mon, 13 Jun 2016, Andy wrote:


Hi all.

I've jumped ship from Win 7 to a beutiful 27 inch Imac with Elcapitan and 
I'm stuck.


I cannot for the life of me find affordable tutorials, in any format, to 
get me started.


I bought the new computer and jumped ship because I was convinced that 
there must be lpoads of training materials available to help me, but 
unfortunately, the lovely shine is quickly leaving my new computer.


So I need some form of formate media to help me learn about voice over 
and how to get started .


Any information would be absolutely appricieated.

Andy.

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Re: Looking for audio or even txt tutorials to get me started with VO and my new Mac

[Andy]

Hi Scott.

Thankyou for responding.  I have a number of replies but decided to write to 
you first because you referred me to a Mr. Mike Erigo.


Can I say off the bat that it was Mike, through his podcasts on  Blind Cool 
Tech, that got me pondering the possibility of jumping ship, from Windows 7 
to an Imac.


I've got all of his podcasts, but unfortunately, the latest, found at Rick's 
Blind Geek Zone, was 2014.


I wrote to Mike enquiring if perhaps he had done anything up to date like El 
capitan, but unfortunately, I did not get a reply.  I really do hope and 
wish that he is still with us, if for no other reason than to experience 
again his enthusiasm on everything apple.  Anyway, I'm not going to write 
again just in case his family situation has changed, if you know what I 
mean.


As for Apple vis, I have and will again visit their site but last time I 
visited, I got lost amongst everything other than downloadable podcasts.



Anyway, Scott.  It was nice of you to refer me to Mike and I thank you for 
it.  I just know I'm so close to getting to grips with VO that in a couple 
of weeks, I'll be enbarrased about my current pannick attacks.


Very best wishes.
Andy logue.

Nevertheless, I'll make a point of visiting again tonight to see what I can 
grab.






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From: "Scott Granados" <sc...@qualityip.net>

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Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 7:02 PM
Subject: Re: Looking for audio or even txt tutorials to get me started with 
VO and my new Mac



You can also look for some pod casts from Mike Erigo that were very good. 
Blindcooltech had them but google is your friend here.


Also, there is the documentation that Apple provides that will get you 
started and ofcourse applevis.


Hope that helps


On 6/13/16, 1:28 PM, "Karen Lewellen" <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com on 
behalf of klewel...@shellworld.net> wrote:



Hi,
No idea which os you are running but John, who is a member here, keeps all
of the voiceover users guides in test on his website.
www.macfortheblind.com
Or I think that is correct.
I cannot say if it remains, but there is or was  a training built into the
voiceover utility itself.
Loads of free options out there for you.
HTH,
Kare


On Mon, 13 Jun 2016, Andy wrote:


Hi all.

I've jumped ship from Win 7 to a beutiful 27 inch Imac with Elcapitan 
and I'm stuck.


I cannot for the life of me find affordable tutorials, in any format, to 
get me started.


I bought the new computer and jumped ship because I was convinced that 
there must be lpoads of training materials available to help me, but 
unfortunately, the lovely shine is quickly leaving my new computer.


So I need some form of formate media to help me learn about voice over 
and how to get started .


Any information would be absolutely appricieated.

Andy.

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Hi all.

I've jumped ship from Win 7 to a beutiful 27 inch Imac with Elcapitan and I'm 
stuck.

I cannot for the life of me find affordable tutorials, in any format, to get me 
started.

I bought the new computer and jumped ship because I was convinced that there 
must be lpoads of training materials available to help me, but unfortunately, 
the lovely shine is quickly leaving my new computer.

So I need some form of formate media to help me learn about voice over and how 
to get started .

Any information would be absolutely appricieated.

Andy.

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Re: Hand Break DB Download

[Andy Lane]

is this software no longer available for download?  If so I will make
sure mine is backed up.  If you have a newer or better copy I would
love a copy.  cheers. Andy.

Emilio Hernandez wrote:
 Hello folks,

 For thos ewho want a copy of hand break just message meoff list and I will 
 send you a link from which you can download this program via my drop b
 Cheers

 Sent from my iMac
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Video encoder needed anyone know a good one?

[Andy Lane]

Hey all, I am looking for a way to compress videos down in size
hopefully to h.264,  - have looked in the app store but the one I
think I need is £35 and I dont even know if it is accessible.  I am
trying to compress an MOV file to an mp4 for iPhone but I dont think
handbraek will do this.  Maybe someone could put me right if it does,
that would be fantastic.  alternatively a free or low ish cost
application would be very much appreciated.

Thanks in advance.
Andy.

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Re: I killed my Iphone!

[Andy Lane]

Press and hold the home key and power key at the same time for about
10 seconds.  That will hard boot the phone.  I have had a nightmare
this evening, I killed mine too.  Had to re-install iTunes, find and
replace the iPhone updater file, restore about 300 times or it felt
that way and kept getting error 3014 which looks like they think I
tried to JB however I haven't ever even been tempted.  Got it sorted
in the end though.

Red.Falcon wrote:
 Well folks!
 I've managed to some how really muck up doing the update!
 The Iphone had the same problems as others I went through the restore method 
 and now the Iphone is dead it will not switch on and when I plug it into 
 Itunes it does not appear!
 So I've got to take a trip to my apple store tomorrow [Oh well thats life!]
 Unless one of you know different!
 All the best!
 Colin
 Qapla!

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RE: Capchas and OCR?

[Andy Baracco]

I have seen this question asked on other lists, and the consensus seems to
be no because the image is deliberately distorted, just like the audio
CAPTCHA's are.  I know people who have no vision problem who say that they
have trouble reproducing them.
Andy
 


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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Teresa Cochran
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 1:25 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Capchas and OCR?

Hi, folk,

I haven't tried this yet, but I was wondering if anyone else has tried to
use an OCR program to solve a capcha? Theoretically one could download the
image into a folder, and, say, open it in FineReader Express. or one could
take a screen-shot and open it in an OCR app.

Thoughts? Experiments? I will probably try this on my own in the
not-too-distant future.

Thanks,
Teresa

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