RE: Off-list inquiry about a perhaps questionable topic

[David & his pack of dogs]

I know nothing about what you are talking about however, have posted your query 
on another list.  Stripping out all the headers of course.  

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Michael Busboom
Sent: October 14, 2017 7:05 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Off-list inquiry about a perhaps questionable topic

Not always possible, and memorizing several sentences and then writing them 
precisely, including punctuation, isn’t always easy.  That is why copy and 
paste functions exist.

Mike

> On 14 Oct 2017, at 16:02, sandi sørensen  wrote:
> 
> Okay?
> I mean if you just wanna use a few sentences, surely you can remember them, 
> and just write them?
> 
> 
> Sandie.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On 14 Oct 2017, at 15.43, Michael Busboom  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Mark,
>> 
>> I hope that wherever you live, and wherever you are, you are having a nice 
>> weekend. 
>> 
>> Before asking my question, please let me once again tell you how much I 
>> enjoy many of your postings on the list.  I believe that they perform a real 
>> service to all of us.
>> 
>> So here’s my question: You may have seen my recent posting on the list about 
>> the Kindle app and how one might copy text from a Kindle book into a 
>> document that I am creating.  Since I am team-teaching a course, I sometimes 
>> need to site short passages from a book that we are discussing.
>> 
>> Thus far, I haven’t received any feedback, and that is okay.  However, the 
>> matter is somewhat urgent for me.  If you are familiar with Voice Dream 
>> Reader, you will know that performing such an operation is reasonably 
>> readily accomplished.  In the past, after I have purchased books from the 
>> Amazon store, I have asked a friend to remove the DRM so that I could import 
>> the books into Voice Dream Reader.  While my friend doesn’t at all mind 
>> helping me, he isn’t always available when I need material.  I have no 
>> desire to pirate material, nor do I wish to act irresponsibly.  I have only 
>> had the DRM removed from books which I myself have purchased, and I do not 
>> share these books with other people.
>> 
>> All of this having been said, I am wondering about the appropriateness of 
>> asking list members if they know of an accessible program that removes DRM 
>> from eBooks, not Audible or other audio books.  Perhaps there is a Unix 
>> utility or something like that.
>> 
>> I would appreciate your thoughts, and understandably, I will abide with 
>> whatever you decide is appropriate.  The last thing I want to do is ask a 
>> question and get preached at by someone on the list who sees him or herself 
>> as a pillar of moral rectitude, if you get my drift.
>> 
>> On a totally different subject, I am wondering where you live and what you 
>> do for a living.  As for me, I grew up on a farm near Chicago, was 
>> mainstreamed into the local school system, got a degree in German at the 
>> University of Illinois, came to Austria, where I have lived since 1976.  For 
>> better or worse, I’m starting to become an old, yet very lively, geezer.  
>> Professionally, I have worked with several companies and organizations in 
>> the blindness field, and I have also been a freelance translator and 
>> interpreter.
>> 
>> I have three daughters, all of whom are in their 20s, and I am married to 
>> Regina, who is a registered nurse at a private hospital here in Vienna.  Our 
>> three children and one grandchild are all bilingual.  Regina and I always 
>> speak German with one another, but we each speak our mother tongue with the 
>> kids.
>> 
>> Well, Mark, that’s probably more information than you might have wanted, but 
>> since we occasionally interact through the list, I wanted you to know just a 
>> little bit more about me.
>> 
>> My very best to you with thanks in advance,
>> 
>> Mike
>> 
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RE:Meaningless comments

[David & his pack of dogs]

This entire thing reminds me of a quote from a book.  Q  "Where are you?"  A  
"I am here."  Q  "Where is here?"  A "Here is where I am." "E T for you is 
where you sweep away all the
   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
   and say E T did it." --"The world according to E T" 

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of E.T.
Sent: October 13, 2017 7:34 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Maps is positively useless under iOS 11.

This kind of reaction to problems is positively negative and hampers 
progress in finding solutions. "I need directions." "Where to?" "I don't know, 
I just need directions." (smiles)

 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
   "God for you is where you sweep away all the
   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 10/13/2017 6:57 AM, Scott Berry wrote:
> You guys complain about these things but never report.  Report these to:
> 
> http://www.apple.com/feedback
> 
> Or if they are truly accessibility issues you can report them to:
> 
> accessibil...@apple.com .  Complaining 
> on the list isn’t going to get any where.  Apple isn’t a mind reader 
> and this is the end of what I say so if your commenting plan on it 
> being deleted becausee I am frustrated with the fact that I’ve 
> provided this link before and the same results seem to be happening 
> you don’t report the bugs so they can’t get fixed.  Even though some 
> of us may be beta testers not all of us happen to run in to the same 
> problems that the general public have and moaning and groaning just 
> isn’t going to solve the issue.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Oct 13, 2017, at 6:41 AM, Jessica Moss > > wrote:
>>
>> What are you finding wrong with it just out of curiosity?  I think it 
>> would be nice if you could stop it from constantly moving whenever 
>> the directions pop up, sense it constantly causes the screen to also 
>> refresh, which makes multitasking next to impossible.
>>> On Oct 12, 2017, at 7:01 PM, Taylor Arndt >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> I’ve had it too and this is why our use Google maps?
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
 On Oct 12, 2017, at 6:55 PM, Donna Goodin > wrote:



 Hi all,

 OK, I’ve absolutely had it with Maps under iOS 11. This thing is so 
 broken and useless that I can’t believe Apple even calls it an app.
 I thought I saw something a while back about rolling back to iOS 10. 
 If anyone has that information could you repost it, or send it to 
 me privately?
 Thanks,
 Donna Sent from my iPhoune

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RE: O/T RE: NFB, Uber App and a Guide Dog

[David & his pack of dogs]

I agree. However, is this not calling the kettle black? I will say no more on 
this topic.   
"E.T for you is where you sweep away all the
   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
   and say E.T did it."
---the world according to E.T Smile.  
-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of E.T.
Sent: September 28, 2017 10:25 AM
To: macvisionaries+modera...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: O/T RE: NFB, Uber App and a Guide Dog

Mark and Cara,
Can we redirect this group back on topic? Unless Apple has developed Apple 
Guide Dogs, we should save those discussions for a more suitable forum. Thanks.

 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
   "God for you is where you sweep away all the
   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 9/28/2017 10:16 AM, David & his pack of dogs wrote:
> I understand where you are coming from re: the iron fist approach.  Let's use 
> the guide dog access as an example.  Upon entering a restaurant, you are 
> promptly told, "You can't bring that dog in here!!!  No animals aloud
> The iron fist approach is to loudly proclaim, "YOU ARE BREAKING THE LAW!!!
> The velvet glove approach is too show them the law and try and reason with 
> them. To put you in the picture so my comment has credibility, an agency told 
> me I could not bring in my guide dog because people might be allergic to him. 
>  They stuck to the phrase "might be allergic to them" like a strong magnet 
> and refused to budge even when there was over whelming evidence that no one 
> was allergic to him.  To speed the story up, the adjudicator at the tribunal 
> told us, "They just don't get it." The other thing was they felt they were 
> above any law.  After shown the public access law on multiple occations, they 
>  attempted to re-write it by saying, "We can't tell you not to bring your 
> guide we can however, tell you where you should sit."  The entire process 
> took 2 years from inception to going to a tribunal over their arrogance or 
> obstinence. They foolishly felt if they said he was in the way, smelled and 
> people might be allergic to him, with 18 letters and a picture of a little 
> girl with swollen eyes from an allergic reaction, it would help their case.  
> Naturally, it did not.  The picture?  The adjudicator put it best when she 
> said, "There is no date on this picture and nothing to indicate that the 
> child was not having a reaction to something else."  I think the apparent 
> arrogance of the respondence tried her patients. What organization a person 
> belongs too, either the ACB NFB or CFB, makes no difference to me, as long as 
> they handle things properly. If you want a laugh, where we used to live the 
> Canadian army and navy were quite prevalent.  So, upon meeting a person who 
> introduced herself as belonging to the CFB, I thought she was talking about 
> the Canadian forces base.  Also called the CFB.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Erik Burggraaf
> Sent: September 28, 2017 9:20 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: O/T RE: NFB, Uber App and a Guide Dog
> 
> It's ultra political no doubt about that.  In my experience, the goods get 
> dispursed based on who heads a chapter, just as an example, not necessarily 
> on size.  People are people, and it's unfortunate, but you can do one of two 
> things.  You can barry your head in the sand and pretend they don't exist 
> until you need to trot out the bad.  Or you can persevere, take the good they 
> offer with the bad, and try to leverage the good to make a difference.
> 
> I'm comfortable with the iron fisted approach myself.  The nfb does a lot 
> more than bang the drum, but they do bang the drum a lot, and as long as they 
> have their facts right, I'm very happy to let them do that.  The velvet glove 
> approach screwed me pretty bad, to the tune of 6.5 grand, three years, and a 
> successful consulting practice.  Now that I have two human rights cases to 
> work on, I'm not really in a velvet glove kind of mood.  That doesn't mean I 
> won't compromize, just not to the extent of giving up my due process for no 
> value in return or allowing myself to go without compensation for lost years, 
> or allowing companies to continue using inaccessibly designed infrastructure.
> 
> Anyhow, I don't want people saying the nfb doesn't support guide dogs, 
> because that isn't true.  I'm sorry you had a bad experience that completely 
> put y

RE: O/T RE: NFB, Uber App and a Guide Dog

[David & his pack of dogs]

I understand where you are coming from re: the iron fist approach.  Let's use 
the guide dog access as an example.  Upon entering a restaurant, you are 
promptly told, "You can't bring that dog in here!!!  No animals aloud
The iron fist approach is to loudly proclaim, "YOU ARE BREAKING THE LAW!!!
The velvet glove approach is too show them the law and try and reason with 
them. To put you in the picture so my comment has credibility, an agency told 
me I could not bring in my guide dog because people might be allergic to him.  
They stuck to the phrase "might be allergic to them" like a strong magnet and 
refused to budge even when there was over whelming evidence that no one was 
allergic to him.  To speed the story up, the adjudicator at the tribunal told 
us, "They just don't get it." The other thing was they felt they were above any 
law.  After shown the public access law on multiple occations, they  attempted 
to re-write it by saying, "We can't tell you not to bring your guide we can 
however, tell you where you should sit."  The entire process took 2 years from 
inception to going to a tribunal over their arrogance or obstinence. They 
foolishly felt if they said he was in the way, smelled and people might be 
allergic to him, with 18 letters and a picture of a little girl with swollen 
eyes from an allergic reaction, it would help their case.  Naturally, it did 
not.  The picture?  The adjudicator put it best when she said, "There is no 
date on this picture and nothing to indicate that the child was not having a 
reaction to something else."  I think the apparent arrogance of the respondence 
tried her patients. What organization a person belongs too, either the ACB NFB 
or CFB, makes no difference to me, as long as they handle things properly. If 
you want a laugh, where we used to live the Canadian army and navy were quite 
prevalent.  So, upon meeting a person who introduced herself as belonging to 
the CFB, I thought she was talking about the Canadian forces base.  Also called 
the CFB.   

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Erik Burggraaf
Sent: September 28, 2017 9:20 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: O/T RE: NFB, Uber App and a Guide Dog

It's ultra political no doubt about that.  In my experience, the goods get 
dispursed based on who heads a chapter, just as an example, not necessarily on 
size.  People are people, and it's unfortunate, but you can do one of two 
things.  You can barry your head in the sand and pretend they don't exist until 
you need to trot out the bad.  Or you can persevere, take the good they offer 
with the bad, and try to leverage the good to make a difference.

I'm comfortable with the iron fisted approach myself.  The nfb does a lot more 
than bang the drum, but they do bang the drum a lot, and as long as they have 
their facts right, I'm very happy to let them do that.  The velvet glove 
approach screwed me pretty bad, to the tune of 6.5 grand, three years, and a 
successful consulting practice.  Now that I have two human rights cases to work 
on, I'm not really in a velvet glove kind of mood.  That doesn't mean I won't 
compromize, just not to the extent of giving up my due process for no value in 
return or allowing myself to go without compensation for lost years, or 
allowing companies to continue using inaccessibly designed infrastructure.

Anyhow, I don't want people saying the nfb doesn't support guide dogs, because 
that isn't true.  I'm sorry you had a bad experience that completely put you 
off the process, but I don't want to miss a chance to help some one with 
advocacy or living skills or travel or anything else they need because they 
heard bad things about say, the cfb, and won't 
approach me.I'm here to help people and despite the fact that it is far 
from perfect, federationism is the best way to advocate for people who are 
blind and against the barriers we face in society.

Best,

Erik


On September 28, 2017 12:06:35 PM "David & his pack of dogs" 
<myguidedo...@gmail.com> wrote:

I have not been on the NAGDU, or as I like to call it, "Not Another Guide Dog 
User" list for years so, admittedly have no current knowledge about if NFB has 
changed, or not.  MY dealings with them were, they will grab the lime light as 
often as they can, get their nose in things that have nothing to do with 
blindness so they can stay in the lime light and basically treat people within 
their organization like dirt if it is felt they have no voice. I E, if a 
chapter has let's say 15 members and another one has 100, the one with 15 
members is viewed as inconsequential and of little value, not worth even 
listening too. Here is the way the NFB was described to me a long time ago 
after I left it.  They will immediately use an iron fist to get their point 
across, w

RE: O/T RE: NFB, Uber App and a Guide Dog

[David & his pack of dogs]

I have not been on the NAGDU, or as I like to call it, "Not Another Guide Dog 
User" list for years so, admittedly have no current knowledge about if NFB has 
changed, or not.  MY dealings with them were, they will grab the lime light as 
often as they can, get their nose in things that have nothing to do with 
blindness so they can stay in the lime light and basically treat people within 
their organization like dirt if it is felt they have no voice. I E, if a 
chapter has let's say 15 members and another one has 100, the one with 15 
members is viewed as inconsequential and of little value, not worth even 
listening too. Here is the way the NFB was described to me a long time ago 
after I left it.  They will immediately use an iron fist to get their point 
across, whereas other agencies will use a velvet glove. If they can be in the 
lime light, they could care less about blind people.  

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Erik Burggraaf
Sent: September 28, 2017 7:07 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: O/T RE: NFB, Uber App and a Guide Dog

Hello all,

I was an NFB member for three years, and I am currently a CFB member.  The 
organizations do a lot of things, most of which I personally approve, a few of 
which I don't.  In my limitted experience, the NFB and CFB are both 100% 
supportive of guidedogs.  The NFB has a guide dog division, the national 
association of guide dog users.  They are doing legal advocacy with companies 
like uber on the guide dog issue and access to information to make the Uber 
experience better for the blind.

I'm sorry that some users have had negative experiences with the NFB and it's 
treatment of guide dogs.  The NFB is slow to adapt.  Most of it's bad decisions 
derive from failing to understand and respond to new challenges.  
It's also a huge organization at least as far as the NFB.   The CFB not so 
much.  It's made up of people and people are infinitely diverse.  It has more 
than the usual alotment of caring, generous, thoughtful, hardworking people, 
but it also has assholes, climbers, backstabbers and those sorts have a way of 
positioning themselves so that it can seem like they are powerful voices of the 
organization.  Whatever position the organization may have taken on guide dogs 
in the past, it is now 100% positively and pro-actively in support of them now, 
and has been for the short term of my association with them.  Considering the 
power carried by the NFB in deciding for blind Americans what their direction 
will be, I think it's a good idea to let bygones be bygones, and be informed on 
current issues in which the NFB is involved.  That way, you will have a chance 
to impact the future.

As far as Canadian law, federal statute protects the right of guide dog users 
to be served in any public place, as if the guide dog were not present.  This 
includes stores, restaurants, transportation services, public accommodations, 
hospitals, government service centres, and well... I can't actually think of an 
exclusion now that I come to think of it.  If the public can go there and get 
service, so can a guide dog user.  The law does not require guide dog users to 
identify themselves as having or using a guide dog.  That would not come under 
the heading of being served as if the dog were not there, would it?  I don't 
mind disclosing that I have a guide dog as long as:
The disclosure is entirely voluntary.
My service is in no way limitted by my disclosure.
As in the case of uber, if there is a rideshare available three minutes from my 
location, but considering my voluntary disclosure of a guide dog, my nearest 
available ride is now 15 minutes away because three or five providers near me 
have opted out of taking dogs.  Not acceptable.

The laws on service animals being different in numerous geographic regions 
where-in Uber operates, but most favouring guide dog users over transport 
providers, the safe thing for Uber to do is erre on the side of caution.  
Especially since they're already being sued.

Best,

Erik



On September 27, 2017 8:06:58 PM Karen Lewellen <klewel...@shellworld.net>
wrote:

Oh neither is mine, I remember when the NFB wanted the state of new York to
bar   the use of service animals in public buildings...and I do not use a
dog myself.
Still, that is all the more reason for uber to incorporate this process into 
the app itself.  Or find an objective way to gather this information.
  Kare



On Wed, 27 Sep 2017, David & his pack of dogs wrote:

> I will admit, my opinion of the NFB is not good.  Don't worry, I will 
> not air dirty laundry.  I just didn't like the way they treated a 
> guide dog user I knew. Who, had a chapter of the NFB, yet was treated like 
> dirt.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ka

RE: Uber App and a Guide Dog

[David & his pack of dogs]

I will admit, my opinion of the NFB is not good.  Don't worry, I will not
air dirty laundry.  I just didn't like the way they treated a guide dog user
I knew. Who, had a chapter of the NFB, yet was treated like dirt.   

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Karen Lewellen
Sent: September 27, 2017 2:49 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Uber App and a Guide Dog

I am not writing from a place of cynicism.  instead I feel the source is
more likely  to be preaching to the choir.
why should ubber pay anyone to survey something that  cannot be generalized
in the first place?
I cannot speak to the app itself, but given how many travel variation's are
possible  here, that feels more like the nfb getting names and uber buying
fake pr.
Kare



On Wed, 27 Sep 2017, David & his pack of dogs wrote:

> Sorry, when there is money coming from the agency being surveyed, I call
into question the validity of the survey and whether the answers not wanted
go into file 13. I guess as I get older, I become more sinical especially
when it comes to blind agencies.
>
>
>
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Cohn
> Sent: September 27, 2017 10:27 AM
> To: macvisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: Uber App and a Guide Dog
>
>
>
> Also note, that the NFB set up a survey that you can fill out to show the
results of your trip with UBEr or List.  It asks where you were traveling,
when, and with whom. It then asks if the driver knew and abided by the
non-discrimination laws. There is also a question about the accessibility of
the apps themselves. Of course, NFB gets money from Lift / Uber to certify
that they are not being discriminatory but none of that rolls down to you
for actually doing the compliance checks.
>
>
>
>
>
> On 27 September 2017 at 10:49, Karen Lewellen <klewel...@shellworld.net
<mailto:klewel...@shellworld.net> > wrote:
>
> Was this right behind Toronto?
> Know idea about uber, but regularly Toronto's taxi association gets
complaints about this I am told.  So often in fact that they  have a
dedicated  contact just for them.
> Uber is an interesting travel choice regardless, just ask the women who
have been assaulted by some of their drivers.
> The ap should? have an option for notifying, within the system, that a
passenger comes with extras.  That might  encompass  many things  creating
an inclusive approach.
> Kare
>
>
> "No one is born hating another person because of the color of his skin 
> or his background or his religion ... People must learn to hate, and 
> if they can learn to hate, they can be taught to love... For love 
> comes more naturally to the human heart than its opposite." Nelson 
> Mandela.
>
>
>
> On Tue, 26 Sep 2017, David & his pack of dogs wrote:
>
> Apparently, Washington D C in the U S were the worst offenders of
discriminatory conduct towards blind handlers and their guides.  There was a
sting set up and documented on T V I believe about cab drivers that would
deliberately drive by what they thought were blind persons with their
guides.  Anyway, I am getting off topic.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>  
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> ] On Behalf Of David 
> Chittenden
> Sent: September 26, 2017 3:59 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: Uber App and a Guide Dog
>
> After Uber was sued and lost, they adopted a zero-tollerance policy around
discrimination of guide dogs. In other words, if the driver abandons someone
because of a guide dog, place a complaint through the app and Uber will
dismiss the driver. When it happened to me, Uber gave me a $10 credit.
>
> When I had a guide dog in the US, I experienced significantly more
discrimination from taxi drivers, and the taxi companies never provided me
the identifying information so I could progress complaints (talk about
behaving above the law). Personally, I prefer Uber's response as they
changed their policies and practices after they lost the lawsuit.
>
> Note: In Australia and New Zealand, the taxi companies have
zero-tollerance policies regarding guide dogs, so I have not had any
difficulties in either country regarding my guide dog and taxis.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com <mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com>
> Mobile: +61 488 988 936 <tel:%2B61%20488%20988%20936> Sent from my 
> iPhone
>
> On 27 Sep 2017, at 06:03, Nancy Badger <nancybad...@icloud.com
&

RE: Uber App and a Guide Dog

[David & his pack of dogs]

Sorry, when there is money coming from the agency being surveyed, I call into 
question the validity of the survey and whether the answers not wanted go into 
file 13. I guess as I get older, I become more sinical especially when it comes 
to blind agencies.   

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Jonathan Cohn
Sent: September 27, 2017 10:27 AM
To: macvisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Uber App and a Guide Dog

 

Also note, that the NFB set up a survey that you can fill out to show the 
results of your trip with UBEr or List.  It asks where you were traveling, 
when, and with whom. It then asks if the driver knew and abided by the 
non-discrimination laws. There is also a question about the accessibility of 
the apps themselves. Of course, NFB gets money from Lift / Uber to certify that 
they are not being discriminatory but none of that rolls down to you for 
actually doing the compliance checks. 

 

 

On 27 September 2017 at 10:49, Karen Lewellen <klewel...@shellworld.net 
<mailto:klewel...@shellworld.net> > wrote:

Was this right behind Toronto?
Know idea about uber, but regularly Toronto's taxi association gets complaints 
about this I am told.  So often in fact that they  have a dedicated  contact 
just for them.
Uber is an interesting travel choice regardless, just ask the women who have 
been assaulted by some of their drivers.
The ap should? have an option for notifying, within the system, that a 
passenger comes with extras.  That might  encompass  many things  creating an 
inclusive approach.
Kare


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skin or his background or his religion ... People must learn to
hate, and if they can learn to hate, they can be taught to
love... For love comes more naturally to the human heart than its
opposite." Nelson Mandela.



On Tue, 26 Sep 2017, David & his pack of dogs wrote:

Apparently, Washington D C in the U S were the worst offenders of 
discriminatory conduct towards blind handlers and their guides.  There was a 
sting set up and documented on T V I believe about cab drivers that would 
deliberately drive by what they thought were blind persons with their guides.  
Anyway, I am getting off topic.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>  
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> ] On Behalf Of David Chittenden
Sent: September 26, 2017 3:59 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Uber App and a Guide Dog

After Uber was sued and lost, they adopted a zero-tollerance policy around 
discrimination of guide dogs. In other words, if the driver abandons someone 
because of a guide dog, place a complaint through the app and Uber will dismiss 
the driver. When it happened to me, Uber gave me a $10 credit.

When I had a guide dog in the US, I experienced significantly more 
discrimination from taxi drivers, and the taxi companies never provided me the 
identifying information so I could progress complaints (talk about behaving 
above the law). Personally, I prefer Uber's response as they changed their 
policies and practices after they lost the lawsuit.

Note: In Australia and New Zealand, the taxi companies have zero-tollerance 
policies regarding guide dogs, so I have not had any difficulties in either 
country regarding my guide dog and taxis.

Kind regards,

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com <mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com> 
Mobile: +61 488 988 936 <tel:%2B61%20488%20988%20936> 
Sent from my iPhone

On 27 Sep 2017, at 06:03, Nancy Badger <nancybad...@icloud.com 
<mailto:nancybad...@icloud.com> > wrote:

There will be an option on the app to call the driver. I called the driver and 
let him know that I was blind and I had a white cane. He was able to recognize 
me immediately and it kept me from missing my ride. I would recommend that you 
call and let him know your circumstances. Just my opinion.


Nancy Badger, Ph.D
Executive Director of Counseling
Old Dominion University
Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse spelling errors.

On Sep 26, 2017, at 2:02 PM, Jeff Berwick <mailingli...@berwick.name 
<mailto:mailingli...@berwick.name> > wrote:

Hi guide dog users,

I am considering using Uber for the first time and am wondering if there is a 
procedure for notifying them that I have a guide dog so the driver would be 
aware of this before coming to pick me.

Please let me know.

Thx,
Jeff


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RE: Uber App and a Guide Dog

[David & his pack of dogs]

Apparently, Washington D C in the U S were the worst offenders of 
discriminatory conduct towards blind handlers and their guides.  There was a 
sting set up and documented on T V I believe about cab drivers that would 
deliberately drive by what they thought were blind persons with their guides.  
Anyway, I am getting off topic.  

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of David Chittenden
Sent: September 26, 2017 3:59 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Uber App and a Guide Dog

After Uber was sued and lost, they adopted a zero-tollerance policy around 
discrimination of guide dogs. In other words, if the driver abandons someone 
because of a guide dog, place a complaint through the app and Uber will dismiss 
the driver. When it happened to me, Uber gave me a $10 credit.

When I had a guide dog in the US, I experienced significantly more 
discrimination from taxi drivers, and the taxi companies never provided me the 
identifying information so I could progress complaints (talk about behaving 
above the law). Personally, I prefer Uber's response as they changed their 
policies and practices after they lost the lawsuit.

Note: In Australia and New Zealand, the taxi companies have zero-tollerance 
policies regarding guide dogs, so I have not had any difficulties in either 
country regarding my guide dog and taxis.

Kind regards,

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +61 488 988 936
Sent from my iPhone

> On 27 Sep 2017, at 06:03, Nancy Badger  wrote:
> 
> There will be an option on the app to call the driver. I called the driver 
> and let him know that I was blind and I had a white cane. He was able to 
> recognize me immediately and it kept me from missing my ride. I would 
> recommend that you call and let him know your circumstances. Just my opinion.
> 
> 
> Nancy Badger, Ph.D
> Executive Director of Counseling
> Old Dominion University
> Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse spelling errors.
> 
>> On Sep 26, 2017, at 2:02 PM, Jeff Berwick  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi guide dog users,
>> 
>> I am considering using Uber for the first time and am wondering if there is 
>> a procedure for notifying them that I have a guide dog so the driver would 
>> be aware of this before coming to pick me.
>> 
>> Please let me know.
>> 
>> Thx,
>> Jeff
>> 
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RE: Uber App and a Guide Dog

[David & his pack of dogs]

Before using Uber, remember they have come under a lot of critisusm for their 
treatment of blind people and their guide dogs. Just something to keep in mind. 
 Apparently they have refused to pick up blind people with their guides.  My 
information might be outdated.  But, I just wanted you to be prepared for the 
archaic attitude some of them have. They feel the law does not apply to them.   
 

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On Behalf Of Jeff Berwick
Sent: September 26, 2017 11:02 AM
To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Uber App and a Guide Dog

Hi guide dog users,

I am considering using Uber for the first time and am wondering if there is a 
procedure for notifying them that I have a guide dog so the driver would be 
aware of this before coming to pick me.

Please let me know.

Thx,
Jeff


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RE: Offensive political discussions

[David & his pack of dogs]

Denis, I commend you for changing the subject line.  Reading political views 
when the subject line has nothing to do with the body of the message was 
getting annoying and frankly the topic of SIRI being stupid was getting 
infantile. Thanks for suggesting the breaks be put on the politics angle.   

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Dennis Clark
Sent: September 24, 2017 3:35 PM
To: macvisionaries+modera...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Offensive political discussions

 

Hello Mark,

I subscribed to this forum to read Apple discussions. Increasingly it is 
becoming a discussion about the American President, mostly from people who 
don't reside here. If you can encourage list members to get off politics, I 
would greatly appreciate it.

Thanks

 

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RE: Siri is still pretty stupid

[David & his pack of dogs]

No insalt was intended and I am sory, if you or him took offense. Naturally, I 
am not going to use this forum to air political views. Just keep in mind 
however, the majority of U S citazens voted him in. Subsequently, if things go 
wrong according to them,they have no one to blame but, themselves. 

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of E.T.
Sent: September 24, 2017 9:00 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Siri is still pretty stupid

David,
Show some class and don't insult Anders over his way of signing his emails. 
We hear enough from Trump who has no class whatsoever and insults everyone and 
every country except Russia. EH?

 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
   "God for you is where you sweep away all the
   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 9/23/2017 9:57 PM, David & his pack of dogs wrote:
> If there had been any Canadians at the school on class at the time, I would 
> have never made the comment as I know using the term A means nothing in 
> respects to class.  Although, try to hear the term A in Ottawa Ontario.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
> Sent: September 23, 2017 8:33 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Siri is still pretty stupid
> 
> Hi,
> Actually, I don't believe that Anders was referring to the "eh" euphemism at 
> all, he simply has a / followed by the letter A at the end of all of his 
> messages.  Likely has something to do with his name, although I'd have to 
> defer that to Anders himself for exact reasons.  I would also beg to differ 
> with respect to which class of Canadian uses the "eh" euphemism.  Class 
> itself is a matter of opinion with respect to who fits in where, and I've 
> heard Canadians from very well off to not so much use "eh".  I've even been 
> known to use it myself and I certainly don't place myself in what might be 
> considered lower class.  Now, Bob and Doug MacKenzie, or those two mousse in 
> the Brother Bear movie exaggerated its use quite well, eh?
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Sep 23, 2017, at 16:44, David & his pack of dogs <myguidedo...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Oh, BTW, Anders, only low class Canadians say \A.  I can say that being 
> Cnadian. Although when I was on class at an American guide dog school, my 
> nationality was brought into question as I did not say \A, at any time.  Thus 
> my earlier comment.  There were no other Canadians on class with me so, I 
> felt I was safe.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
> Sent: September 23, 2017 2:50 PM
> To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: Siri is still pretty stupid
> 
> Hi!
> I don’t know what to think really.
> SOme Iphone and apple fans, especially one blind guy i have seen on some 
> swedish list is really happy about siri.
> He could get opening and closing times for a specific store somewhere in 
> sweden.
> I can not do the same with google assist in swedish.
> But i guess it will come, the sooner the better.
>  From my perspective siri must have a hearing loss or maybe i have a lisp or 
> stuttering and strange voice.
> I asked her to play Script from a jester’s tears by Marillion but she played 
> something else.
> Hmm, my conclusion is that i agree with you.
> /A
> 
>> 23 sep. 2017 kl. 17:06 skrev Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com>:
>>
>> One of my pet peeve's about Siri has been that it is absolutely obtuse when 
>> you asked to find a specific place on a specific street. It will come back 
>> and say I found such and such a place on such and such a Street, does that 
>> look good? Or is that the one you wanted? Well, Siri, since I already gave 
>> you the street name of the store name, and I know there is only one such on 
>> that street, why don't you just give me the phone number I asked for in the 
>> first place? Google does this and so does Alexa. But good old Siri still 
>> can't get this right even in iOS 11. Come on Apple. This is pretty 
>> elementary stuff. What the hell did you do with all your work on Siri, 
>> anyway? Have other people found improvements to Siri in the real world? I 
>> know it can do all sorts of music trivia about which I care not. But what 
>> about real world sit

RE: Siri is still pretty stupid

[David & his pack of dogs]

The name of the fish & chip place is "Salty's" I don't think they are out
east, though. I'm sure the east has their own sea food chain however. It
probably varies too as to where you live.  Where I used to live, battered
calamari or squid was hard to come by.  Here, 50 Kms north of that city,
most Chinese food establishments have spicy squid on the menu or
smorgasbord. Some even have muscles in garlic butter sauce as part of the
smorgasbord.  Too bad they don't have Escargot. I know, David you are being
too picky. One place even has shrimp and prawns on the menu of their
smorgasbord.  It's crazy.  For a seafood platter, you pay $14.95.  For the
smorgasbord where you can get unlimited prawns, shrimp fish and spicy squid,
you pay $15.95.  Take a guess as to what I got? Mind you, the fish was not
as good as it was at Salty's.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Karen Lewellen
Sent: September 23, 2017 6:46 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri is still pretty stupid

Well speaking only for myself,  I can tell you that sarcasm even with facial
expressions has no universal dictionary.
It is one thing I wonder about using face recognition  on IPhone as some
sort of security.
There are simply too many expressions, and interpretation of those
expressions.  It is one reason why audio description helps those from
different  cultures, regardless of eye chart score.
Speaking only for myself, I feel even suggesting that sight and blindness
are  some two sided uniformed concept misleads everyone, simply does not
work  that simply.
Now back to dinner.  What is the name of the fish & chips heaven chain?
I hope it is national!  I really love all things seafood.
Seriously, words are neutral in my view, we bring to them our own 
definitions largely.   meaning in my view that how we respond, the power 
to be insulted, in theory lies entirely with ourselves.
  Kare



On Sat, 23 Sep 2017, David & his pack of dogs wrote:

> Well, you'd be surprised or maybe not, how many people in this world 
> take offense at my comments especially in emails.  Even in person.  
> With the sighted, I think, cannot they see my facial expression? For 
> the record, the Lobster out east supposedly tastes better than the one 
> in the west here. The Oysters in Fanny bay are delicious, though. As 
> is the Salmon.  Now, I better get off this subject because, I too am 
> getting hungry.  One of the chains here has all the fish and chips you 
> can eat every Tuesday.  The fish is Cod and each piece is half the size of
a dinner plate.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Karen Lewellen
> Sent: September 23, 2017 12:49 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Siri is still pretty stupid
>
> Offense is a choice, not an absolute...I thought your comment  was funny.
> As for directory assistance on your IPhone,  Bell will credit past 
> charges and  you can have that for free.
> ..and it was likely Rogers.  They were my first land line provider, 
> and misspelled  my name badly.
> To this day, even though Bell is my provider now, the misspelling 
> remains giving  me a terrific way out with telemarketers.
> Tim has me hungry for seafood!
> Karen
>
>
>
> On Sat, 23 Sep 2017, David & his pack of dogs wrote:
>
>> I use Bell as my carrier for the Iphone and Shaw as my land line
provider.
>> Shaw directory assistance is free.  Sadly, you get what you pay for.
>> The worst example was, Best buy has been here for a couple of years, 
>> yet Shaw said there was no listing for it. Even after notifying them 
>> of their existance, it still took them months to update their data 
>> base.  Bell, the landline service has not made it to Vancouver Island 
>> yet.  However, I think they charged me for D A.  Either that or it 
>> was Rogers.  Regardless I was charged $3 per directory assistance.  I 
>> just wanted to add numbers and addresses to my contact list.  Then I 
>> got all these charges on my bill and was told D A was not free. Glad 
>> you took my comment in the spirit it was meant.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Karen Lewellen
>> Sent: September 23, 2017 11:55 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Siri is still pretty stupid
>>
>> I use bell here in Canada, and have never paid for directory 
>> assistance either for my  Land Line, or my cell.
>> I suppose I will discover   how the iPhone works if I either  manage
>> enough   brain treatment that I can process the voices witho

RE: Siri is still pretty stupid

[David & his pack of dogs]

If there had been any Canadians at the school on class at the time, I would 
have never made the comment as I know using the term A means nothing in 
respects to class.  Although, try to hear the term A in Ottawa Ontario.  

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
Sent: September 23, 2017 8:33 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Siri is still pretty stupid

Hi,
Actually, I don't believe that Anders was referring to the "eh" euphemism at 
all, he simply has a / followed by the letter A at the end of all of his 
messages.  Likely has something to do with his name, although I'd have to defer 
that to Anders himself for exact reasons.  I would also beg to differ with 
respect to which class of Canadian uses the "eh" euphemism.  Class itself is a 
matter of opinion with respect to who fits in where, and I've heard Canadians 
from very well off to not so much use "eh".  I've even been known to use it 
myself and I certainly don't place myself in what might be considered lower 
class.  Now, Bob and Doug MacKenzie, or those two mousse in the Brother Bear 
movie exaggerated its use quite well, eh?

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 23, 2017, at 16:44, David & his pack of dogs <myguidedo...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

Oh, BTW, Anders, only low class Canadians say \A.  I can say that being 
Cnadian. Although when I was on class at an American guide dog school, my 
nationality was brought into question as I did not say \A, at any time.  Thus 
my earlier comment.  There were no other Canadians on class with me so, I felt 
I was safe.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
Sent: September 23, 2017 2:50 PM
To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Siri is still pretty stupid

Hi!
I don’t know what to think really.
SOme Iphone and apple fans, especially one blind guy i have seen on some 
swedish list is really happy about siri.
He could get opening and closing times for a specific store somewhere in sweden.
I can not do the same with google assist in swedish.
But i guess it will come, the sooner the better.
>From my perspective siri must have a hearing loss or maybe i have a lisp or 
>stuttering and strange voice.
I asked her to play Script from a jester’s tears by Marillion but she played 
something else.
Hmm, my conclusion is that i agree with you.
/A

> 23 sep. 2017 kl. 17:06 skrev Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com>:
> 
> One of my pet peeve's about Siri has been that it is absolutely obtuse when 
> you asked to find a specific place on a specific street. It will come back 
> and say I found such and such a place on such and such a Street, does that 
> look good? Or is that the one you wanted? Well, Siri, since I already gave 
> you the street name of the store name, and I know there is only one such on 
> that street, why don't you just give me the phone number I asked for in the 
> first place? Google does this and so does Alexa. But good old Siri still 
> can't get this right even in iOS 11. Come on Apple. This is pretty elementary 
> stuff. What the hell did you do with all your work on Siri, anyway? Have 
> other people found improvements to Siri in the real world? I know it can do 
> all sorts of music trivia about which I care not. But what about real world 
> situations? You know, like when you want a phone number and don't want to 
> engage in meaningless back-and-forth with your so called Assistant?
> Mary
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RE: Siri is still pretty stupid

[David & his pack of dogs]

What if one does not have a farm?  Grin.  

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Simon Fogarty
Sent: September 23, 2017 9:14 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Siri is still pretty stupid

 

A fence is a number of wires tightly streched between posts to keep stock in on 
a farm. P

Sent from my iPhone


On 24/09/2017, at 8:49 AM, Karen Lewellen <klewel...@shellworld.net 
<mailto:klewel...@shellworld.net> > wrote:

Offense is a choice, not an absolute...I thought your comment  was funny.
As for directory assistance on your IPhone,  Bell will credit past charges and  
you can have that for free.
..and it was likely Rogers.  They were my first land line provider, and 
misspelled  my name badly.
To this day, even though Bell is my provider now, the misspelling remains 
giving  me a terrific way out with telemarketers.
Tim has me hungry for seafood!
Karen



On Sat, 23 Sep 2017, David & his pack of dogs wrote:




I use Bell as my carrier for the Iphone and Shaw as my land line provider.

Shaw directory assistance is free.  Sadly, you get what you pay for.  The

worst example was, Best buy has been here for a couple of years, yet Shaw

said there was no listing for it. Even after notifying them of their

existance, it still took them months to update their data base.  Bell, the

landline service has not made it to Vancouver Island yet.  However, I think

they charged me for D A.  Either that or it was Rogers.  Regardless I was

charged $3 per directory assistance.  I just wanted to add numbers and

addresses to my contact list.  Then I got all these charges on my bill and

was told D A was not free. Glad you took my comment in the spirit it was

meant.

 

-Original Message-

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 

[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Karen Lewellen

Sent: September 23, 2017 11:55 AM

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 

Subject: RE: Siri is still pretty stupid

 

I use bell here in Canada, and have never paid for directory assistance

either for my  Land Line, or my cell.

I suppose I will discover   how the iPhone works if I either  manage

enough   brain treatment that I can process the voices without acute

dizziness, Or  a voice I can use of a hardware speech kind  carries over to

Apple products.

Laughing at the video games  comment.

granted i learned to play blackjack in DOS, but I use my computer as a

professional tool.

Karen

 

 

"No one is born hating another person because of the color of his skin or

his background or his religion ... People must learn to hate, and if they

can learn to hate, they can be taught to love... For love comes more

naturally to the human heart than its opposite." Nelson Mandela.

 

On Sat, 23 Sep 2017, David & his pack of dogs wrote:

 

Karen, we love you, however, SIRI uses Google maps I believe.  Even

Google maps is for the sighted not for ones who have vision

challenges, not their fault of course as there are more Blind friendly

apps out there such as

Nearby Explorer.   As for Directory assistance, I don't know what carrier

you are using for it, most must pay at least $3 per call and in the

past, the operators spoke a different language then English so either

did not understand what you wanted, weren't really listening or when

you asked for a number, gave you the number for someone else that lived in

a different?

State or province.  When you know the party is in the 203-area code

and they give you a number in the 602-area code, you know it is the wrong

listing.

Your response reminds me of someone who has good vision and perhaps

uses their computer for just playing video games. Not shoddy work if

you can get it I suppose.  For me, I find that type of activity infantile.

 

 

-Original Message-

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 

[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Karen Lewellen

Sent: September 23, 2017 9:44 AM

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 

Subject: Re: Siri is still pretty stupid

 

speaking only for myself, is not siri more of a toy anyway? leaving

voiceover,   for the serious work?

Personally I just dial directory assistance, since Siri  is likely

using less  current data.  Still I am not using  an iPhone anyway, so

ignore me lol.

Seriously, could not you just google the location for the number with

your phone  rather than ask Siri?

Just wondering,

Kare

 

 

 

On Sat, 23 Sep 2017, Tim Kilburn wrote:

 

Hi,

 

While I understand your frustration with the redundancy and somewhat

meaningless back and forth banter, I believe that it is just a

confirmation sort of thing due to the fact that mistakes can be made in

translation.

 

Later...

 

Tim Kilburn

RE: Siri is still pretty stupid

[David & his pack of dogs]

Well, you'd be surprised or maybe not, how many people in this world take
offense at my comments especially in emails.  Even in person.  With the
sighted, I think, cannot they see my facial expression? For the record, the
Lobster out east supposedly tastes better than the one in the west here. The
Oysters in Fanny bay are delicious, though. As is the Salmon.  Now, I better
get off this subject because, I too am getting hungry.  One of the chains
here has all the fish and chips you can eat every Tuesday.  The fish is Cod
and each piece is half the size of a dinner plate.  

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Karen Lewellen
Sent: September 23, 2017 12:49 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri is still pretty stupid

Offense is a choice, not an absolute...I thought your comment  was funny.
As for directory assistance on your IPhone,  Bell will credit past charges
and  you can have that for free.
..and it was likely Rogers.  They were my first land line provider, and
misspelled  my name badly.
To this day, even though Bell is my provider now, the misspelling remains
giving  me a terrific way out with telemarketers.
Tim has me hungry for seafood!
Karen



On Sat, 23 Sep 2017, David & his pack of dogs wrote:

> I use Bell as my carrier for the Iphone and Shaw as my land line provider.
> Shaw directory assistance is free.  Sadly, you get what you pay for.  
> The worst example was, Best buy has been here for a couple of years, 
> yet Shaw said there was no listing for it. Even after notifying them 
> of their existance, it still took them months to update their data 
> base.  Bell, the landline service has not made it to Vancouver Island 
> yet.  However, I think they charged me for D A.  Either that or it was 
> Rogers.  Regardless I was charged $3 per directory assistance.  I just 
> wanted to add numbers and addresses to my contact list.  Then I got 
> all these charges on my bill and was told D A was not free. Glad you 
> took my comment in the spirit it was meant.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Karen Lewellen
> Sent: September 23, 2017 11:55 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Siri is still pretty stupid
>
> I use bell here in Canada, and have never paid for directory 
> assistance either for my  Land Line, or my cell.
> I suppose I will discover   how the iPhone works if I either  manage
> enough   brain treatment that I can process the voices without acute
> dizziness, Or  a voice I can use of a hardware speech kind  carries 
> over to Apple products.
> Laughing at the video games  comment.
> granted i learned to play blackjack in DOS, but I use my computer as a 
> professional tool.
> Karen
>
>
> "No one is born hating another person because of the color of his skin 
> or his background or his religion ... People must learn to hate, and 
> if they can learn to hate, they can be taught to love... For love 
> comes more naturally to the human heart than its opposite." Nelson
Mandela.
>
> On Sat, 23 Sep 2017, David & his pack of dogs wrote:
>
>> Karen, we love you, however, SIRI uses Google maps I believe.  Even 
>> Google maps is for the sighted not for ones who have vision 
>> challenges, not their fault of course as there are more Blind 
>> friendly
> apps out there such as
>> Nearby Explorer.   As for Directory assistance, I don't know what carrier
>> you are using for it, most must pay at least $3 per call and in the 
>> past, the operators spoke a different language then English so either 
>> did not understand what you wanted, weren't really listening or when 
>> you asked for a number, gave you the number for someone else that 
>> lived in
> a different?
>> State or province.  When you know the party is in the 203-area code 
>> and they give you a number in the 602-area code, you know it is the 
>> wrong
> listing.
>> Your response reminds me of someone who has good vision and perhaps 
>> uses their computer for just playing video games. Not shoddy work if 
>> you can get it I suppose.  For me, I find that type of activity
infantile.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Karen Lewellen
>> Sent: September 23, 2017 9:44 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Siri is still pretty stupid
>>
>> speaking only for myself, is not siri more of a toy anyway? leaving
>> voiceover,   for the serious work?
>> Personally I just dial directory assistance, since Siri  is likely 

RE: Siri is still pretty stupid

[David & his pack of dogs]

Oh, BTW, Anders, only low class Canadians say \A.  I can say that being 
Cnadian. Although when I was on class at an American guide dog school, my 
nationality was brought into question as I did not say \A, at any time.  Thus 
my earlier comment.  There were no other Canadians on class with me so, I felt 
I was safe.

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
Sent: September 23, 2017 2:50 PM
To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: Siri is still pretty stupid

Hi!
I don’t know what to think really.
SOme Iphone and apple fans, especially one blind guy i have seen on some 
swedish list is really happy about siri.
He could get opening and closing times for a specific store somewhere in sweden.
I can not do the same with google assist in swedish.
But i guess it will come, the sooner the better.
>From my perspective siri must have a hearing loss or maybe i have a lisp or 
>stuttering and strange voice.
I asked her to play Script from a jester’s tears by Marillion but she played 
something else.
Hmm, my conclusion is that i agree with you.
/A

> 23 sep. 2017 kl. 17:06 skrev Mary Otten :
> 
> One of my pet peeve's about Siri has been that it is absolutely obtuse when 
> you asked to find a specific place on a specific street. It will come back 
> and say I found such and such a place on such and such a Street, does that 
> look good? Or is that the one you wanted? Well, Siri, since I already gave 
> you the street name of the store name, and I know there is only one such on 
> that street, why don't you just give me the phone number I asked for in the 
> first place? Google does this and so does Alexa. But good old Siri still 
> can't get this right even in iOS 11. Come on Apple. This is pretty elementary 
> stuff. What the hell did you do with all your work on Siri, anyway? Have 
> other people found improvements to Siri in the real world? I know it can do 
> all sorts of music trivia about which I care not. But what about real world 
> situations? You know, like when you want a phone number and don't want to 
> engage in meaningless back-and-forth with your so called Assistant?
> Mary
> 
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RE: Siri is still pretty stupid

[David & his pack of dogs]

There is an updated version of a T V program that was on T V years ago called 
"To tel the truth" On that updated version they had the real live person who 
did the SIRI voice.  I had no problem recognizing her as it was audible.  I 
laughed when she was asked how much she was paid to do the voice.  "Not 
enough." Was her response.  She also outlined the pain steaking method she went 
through to record the voice.  As in, going through every possible question that 
could be asked.  So, seeing this thread, I muse what she would think if she saw 
it?  Would she say she was being flamed?  Smile.   

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
Sent: September 23, 2017 2:50 PM
To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: Siri is still pretty stupid

Hi!
I don’t know what to think really.
SOme Iphone and apple fans, especially one blind guy i have seen on some 
swedish list is really happy about siri.
He could get opening and closing times for a specific store somewhere in sweden.
I can not do the same with google assist in swedish.
But i guess it will come, the sooner the better.
>From my perspective siri must have a hearing loss or maybe i have a lisp or 
>stuttering and strange voice.
I asked her to play Script from a jester’s tears by Marillion but she played 
something else.
Hmm, my conclusion is that i agree with you.
/A

> 23 sep. 2017 kl. 17:06 skrev Mary Otten :
> 
> One of my pet peeve's about Siri has been that it is absolutely obtuse when 
> you asked to find a specific place on a specific street. It will come back 
> and say I found such and such a place on such and such a Street, does that 
> look good? Or is that the one you wanted? Well, Siri, since I already gave 
> you the street name of the store name, and I know there is only one such on 
> that street, why don't you just give me the phone number I asked for in the 
> first place? Google does this and so does Alexa. But good old Siri still 
> can't get this right even in iOS 11. Come on Apple. This is pretty elementary 
> stuff. What the hell did you do with all your work on Siri, anyway? Have 
> other people found improvements to Siri in the real world? I know it can do 
> all sorts of music trivia about which I care not. But what about real world 
> situations? You know, like when you want a phone number and don't want to 
> engage in meaningless back-and-forth with your so called Assistant?
> Mary
> 
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RE: Siri is still pretty stupid

[David & his pack of dogs]

It takes some adjusting to get used to using SIRI.  However, I feel it is worth 
it in the long run.  I was introduced to it when at a guide dog school and did 
not have an Iphone.  A couple of students gave me a demonstration on asking 
questions of SIRI just to hear the response they got back.  The questions can 
not be posted on this list because some members may be under 18.  LOL.  

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
Sent: September 23, 2017 12:07 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Siri is still pretty stupid

Hi,

I love Squamish.  It's a beautiful town with excellent sea food restaurants.  I 
have asked Siri for directions and got useless responses, and have also got 
spot on responses.  I haven't tried since the upgrade to iOS 11, so can't 
confirm nor deny results.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 23, 2017, at 09:50, David & his pack of dogs <myguidedo...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

Agreed.  Wait till you use the dictation function and ask for directions to a 
certain place and it gives you direction to a city hundreds of Killometers 
away. As in another State.  I should try it with Fort Macmurry?  I wonder if it 
would give me directions to the closest McDonalds, thinking I am asking for a 
Mcflurry? I really has trouble with a city outside a world reknowned ski 
resort, Whistler B C Canada.  The city is called Squamish, where I had a 
potential job.  It never could understand what I was saying and would always 
give me directions to places in California.  Maybe she wanted a warmer climate? 
 LOL.

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
Sent: September 23, 2017 8:14 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Siri is still pretty stupid

Hi,

While I understand your frustration with the redundancy and somewhat 
meaningless back and forth banter, I believe that it is just a confirmation 
sort of thing due to the fact that mistakes can be made in translation.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 23, 2017, at 09:06, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:

One of my pet peeve's about Siri has been that it is absolutely obtuse when you 
asked to find a specific place on a specific street. It will come back and say 
I found such and such a place on such and such a Street, does that look good? 
Or is that the one you wanted? Well, Siri, since I already gave you the street 
name of the store name, and I know there is only one such on that street, why 
don't you just give me the phone number I asked for in the first place? Google 
does this and so does Alexa. But good old Siri still can't get this right even 
in iOS 11. Come on Apple. This is pretty elementary stuff. What the hell did 
you do with all your work on Siri, anyway? Have other people found improvements 
to Siri in the real world? I know it can do all sorts of music trivia about 
which I care not. But what about real world situations? You know, like when you 
want a phone number and don't want to engage in meaningless back-and-forth with 
your so called Assistant?
Mary


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RE: Siri is still pretty stupid

[David & his pack of dogs]

I use Bell as my carrier for the Iphone and Shaw as my land line provider.
Shaw directory assistance is free.  Sadly, you get what you pay for.  The
worst example was, Best buy has been here for a couple of years, yet Shaw
said there was no listing for it. Even after notifying them of their
existance, it still took them months to update their data base.  Bell, the
landline service has not made it to Vancouver Island yet.  However, I think
they charged me for D A.  Either that or it was Rogers.  Regardless I was
charged $3 per directory assistance.  I just wanted to add numbers and
addresses to my contact list.  Then I got all these charges on my bill and
was told D A was not free. Glad you took my comment in the spirit it was
meant.   

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Karen Lewellen
Sent: September 23, 2017 11:55 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri is still pretty stupid

I use bell here in Canada, and have never paid for directory assistance
either for my  Land Line, or my cell.
I suppose I will discover   how the iPhone works if I either  manage 
enough   brain treatment that I can process the voices without acute 
dizziness, Or  a voice I can use of a hardware speech kind  carries over to
Apple products.
Laughing at the video games  comment.
granted i learned to play blackjack in DOS, but I use my computer as a
professional tool.
Karen


"No one is born hating another person because of the color of his skin or
his background or his religion ... People must learn to hate, and if they
can learn to hate, they can be taught to love... For love comes more
naturally to the human heart than its opposite." Nelson Mandela.

On Sat, 23 Sep 2017, David & his pack of dogs wrote:

> Karen, we love you, however, SIRI uses Google maps I believe.  Even 
> Google maps is for the sighted not for ones who have vision 
> challenges, not their fault of course as there are more Blind friendly
apps out there such as
> Nearby Explorer.   As for Directory assistance, I don't know what carrier
> you are using for it, most must pay at least $3 per call and in the 
> past, the operators spoke a different language then English so either 
> did not understand what you wanted, weren't really listening or when 
> you asked for a number, gave you the number for someone else that lived in
a different?
> State or province.  When you know the party is in the 203-area code 
> and they give you a number in the 602-area code, you know it is the wrong
listing.
> Your response reminds me of someone who has good vision and perhaps 
> uses their computer for just playing video games. Not shoddy work if 
> you can get it I suppose.  For me, I find that type of activity infantile.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Karen Lewellen
> Sent: September 23, 2017 9:44 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Siri is still pretty stupid
>
> speaking only for myself, is not siri more of a toy anyway? leaving
> voiceover,   for the serious work?
> Personally I just dial directory assistance, since Siri  is likely 
> using less  current data.  Still I am not using  an iPhone anyway, so 
> ignore me lol.
> Seriously, could not you just google the location for the number with 
> your phone  rather than ask Siri?
> Just wondering,
> Kare
>
>
>
> On Sat, 23 Sep 2017, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> While I understand your frustration with the redundancy and somewhat
> meaningless back and forth banter, I believe that it is just a 
> confirmation sort of thing due to the fact that mistakes can be made in
translation.
>>
>> Later...
>>
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>
>> On Sep 23, 2017, at 09:06, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> One of my pet peeve's about Siri has been that it is absolutely 
>> obtuse
> when you asked to find a specific place on a specific street. It will 
> come back and say I found such and such a place on such and such a 
> Street, does that look good? Or is that the one you wanted? Well, 
> Siri, since I already gave you the street name of the store name, and 
> I know there is only one such on that street, why don't you just give 
> me the phone number I asked for in the first place? Google does this 
> and so does Alexa. But good old Siri still can't get this right even 
> in iOS 11. Come on Apple. This is pretty elementary stuff. What the 
> hell did you do with all your work on Siri, anyway? Have other people 
> found improvements to Siri in the real world? I know it can do all 
> sorts of music trivia about which I care not. But what about real 
>

RE: Siri is still pretty stupid

[David & his pack of dogs]

It is particularly important if there is more than one street with the same 
name, such as in Montreal Quebec Canada.  There are 6 different streets with 
the same name so, an address is vital.  Also, in Victoria B C Canada.  There is 
McKenzie avenue and McKenzie street. As strange as it sounds, changing the SIRI 
voice to U K English, helped immensely with understanding the address and 
street I was wanting to find, as in Squamish B C.  Of course, there is that 
often-used fraise with guide dog trainers when there is a problem with the 
guide and handler, “Handler error.”  In this case, blame the user of the 
device.  LOL.   

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of John Panarese
Sent: September 23, 2017 11:39 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Siri is still pretty stupid

 

  If you ask for directions for a specific place, try to be a specific as 
possible. I've found that you will get options that are quite comical and will 
be across the country from you. I've figured out by trial and error that if you 
can be as specific as possible, your results tend to fall in the parameters 
you'd expect. When I just asked for information on the restaurant I was 
interested in, for example, I made sure I included, Saint James New York, as 
part of the request.


Take Care

John D. Panarese
Director
Mac for the Blind
Tel, (631) 724-4479
Email, j...@macfortheblind.com <mailto:j...@macfortheblind.com> 
Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com

APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer

AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE

MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT



 

On Sep 23, 2017, at 11:50 AM, David & his pack of dogs <myguidedo...@gmail.com 
<mailto:myguidedo...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Agreed.  Wait till you use the dictation function and ask for directions to a 
certain place and it gives you direction to a city hundreds of Killometers 
away. As in another State.  I should try it with Fort Macmurry?  I wonder if it 
would give me directions to the closest McDonalds, thinking I am asking for a 
Mcflurry? I really has trouble with a city outside a world reknowned ski 
resort, Whistler B C Canada.  The city is called Squamish, where I had a 
potential job.  It never could understand what I was saying and would always 
give me directions to places in California.  Maybe she wanted a warmer climate? 
 LOL.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>  
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
Sent: September 23, 2017 8:14 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Siri is still pretty stupid

Hi,

While I understand your frustration with the redundancy and somewhat 
meaningless back and forth banter, I believe that it is just a confirmation 
sort of thing due to the fact that mistakes can be made in translation.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 23, 2017, at 09:06, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com 
<mailto:motte...@gmail.com> > wrote:

One of my pet peeve's about Siri has been that it is absolutely obtuse when you 
asked to find a specific place on a specific street. It will come back and say 
I found such and such a place on such and such a Street, does that look good? 
Or is that the one you wanted? Well, Siri, since I already gave you the street 
name of the store name, and I know there is only one such on that street, why 
don't you just give me the phone number I asked for in the first place? Google 
does this and so does Alexa. But good old Siri still can't get this right even 
in iOS 11. Come on Apple. This is pretty elementary stuff. What the hell did 
you do with all your work on Siri, anyway? Have other people found improvements 
to Siri in the real world? I know it can do all sorts of music trivia about 
which I care not. But what about real world situations? You know, like when you 
want a phone number and don't want to engage in meaningless back-and-forth with 
your so called Assistant?
Mary


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RE: Siri is still pretty stupid

[David & his pack of dogs]

Karen, we love you, however, SIRI uses Google maps I believe.  Even Google
maps is for the sighted not for ones who have vision challenges, not their
fault of course as there are more Blind friendly apps out there such as
Nearby Explorer.   As for Directory assistance, I don't know what carrier
you are using for it, most must pay at least $3 per call and in the past,
the operators spoke a different language then English so either did not
understand what you wanted, weren't really listening or when you asked for a
number, gave you the number for someone else that lived in a different?
State or province.  When you know the party is in the 203-area code and they
give you a number in the 602-area code, you know it is the wrong listing.
Your response reminds me of someone who has good vision and perhaps uses
their computer for just playing video games. Not shoddy work if you can get
it I suppose.  For me, I find that type of activity infantile.  
  

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Karen Lewellen
Sent: September 23, 2017 9:44 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Siri is still pretty stupid

speaking only for myself, is not siri more of a toy anyway? leaving 
voiceover,   for the serious work?
Personally I just dial directory assistance, since Siri  is likely using
less  current data.  Still I am not using  an iPhone anyway, so ignore me
lol.
Seriously, could not you just google the location for the number with your
phone  rather than ask Siri?
Just wondering,
Kare



On Sat, 23 Sep 2017, Tim Kilburn wrote:

> Hi,
>
> While I understand your frustration with the redundancy and somewhat
meaningless back and forth banter, I believe that it is just a confirmation
sort of thing due to the fact that mistakes can be made in translation.
>
> Later...
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>
> On Sep 23, 2017, at 09:06, Mary Otten  wrote:
>
> One of my pet peeve's about Siri has been that it is absolutely obtuse
when you asked to find a specific place on a specific street. It will come
back and say I found such and such a place on such and such a Street, does
that look good? Or is that the one you wanted? Well, Siri, since I already
gave you the street name of the store name, and I know there is only one
such on that street, why don't you just give me the phone number I asked for
in the first place? Google does this and so does Alexa. But good old Siri
still can't get this right even in iOS 11. Come on Apple. This is pretty
elementary stuff. What the hell did you do with all your work on Siri,
anyway? Have other people found improvements to Siri in the real world? I
know it can do all sorts of music trivia about which I care not. But what
about real world situations? You know, like when you want a phone number and
don't want to engage in meaningless back-and-forth with your so called
Assistant?
> Mary
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: Siri is still pretty stupid

[David & his pack of dogs]

Agreed.  Wait till you use the dictation function and ask for directions to a 
certain place and it gives you direction to a city hundreds of Killometers 
away. As in another State.  I should try it with Fort Macmurry?  I wonder if it 
would give me directions to the closest McDonalds, thinking I am asking for a 
Mcflurry? I really has trouble with a city outside a world reknowned ski 
resort, Whistler B C Canada.  The city is called Squamish, where I had a 
potential job.  It never could understand what I was saying and would always 
give me directions to places in California.  Maybe she wanted a warmer climate? 
 LOL.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
Sent: September 23, 2017 8:14 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Siri is still pretty stupid

Hi,

While I understand your frustration with the redundancy and somewhat 
meaningless back and forth banter, I believe that it is just a confirmation 
sort of thing due to the fact that mistakes can be made in translation.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 23, 2017, at 09:06, Mary Otten  wrote:

One of my pet peeve's about Siri has been that it is absolutely obtuse when you 
asked to find a specific place on a specific street. It will come back and say 
I found such and such a place on such and such a Street, does that look good? 
Or is that the one you wanted? Well, Siri, since I already gave you the street 
name of the store name, and I know there is only one such on that street, why 
don't you just give me the phone number I asked for in the first place? Google 
does this and so does Alexa. But good old Siri still can't get this right even 
in iOS 11. Come on Apple. This is pretty elementary stuff. What the hell did 
you do with all your work on Siri, anyway? Have other people found improvements 
to Siri in the real world? I know it can do all sorts of music trivia about 
which I care not. But what about real world situations? You know, like when you 
want a phone number and don't want to engage in meaningless back-and-forth with 
your so called Assistant?
Mary


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RE: How to Display Your iPhone Signal Strength in Numbers in iOS 11

[David & his pack of dogs]

That is the way things are, and have been that way for years.  A feature we 
like is in a vehicle or a meal we like is on the menu and it is decided at head 
office to get rid of it. They improve on one thing and get rid of another.  
Computers used to have a slot for inserting DVDs or CDs.  That was done away 
with on the MAC. I'm not even sure whether you can even get an external DVD/CD 
player for the mac anymore. 

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: September 19, 2017 11:57 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: How to Display Your iPhone Signal Strength in Numbers in iOS 11

Hello Daniel,

Thank you for confirming this fact.  

It makes me quite sad, to say the least.  I'd gotten pretty used to it.  I 
really do hate change.  

It would be so nice if Apple could offer up new services and features without 
removing seemingly harmless ones.  Oh well.  It's the end of an era, to say the 
least.

Thank you again.

Mark
-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Daniel Miller
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 12:48 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: How to Display Your iPhone Signal Strength in Numbers in iOS 11

It’s not available in iOS 11. 

Sent from my iPhone  

> On Sep 19, 2017, at 3:37 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> Below, I am going to paste in the text that, up until now, it seems, 
> would place iOS in a permanent field test mode.  This would allow one 
> to see the strength of the cell signal in numbers, rather than in 
> bars.  For example, instead of displaying 1 of 5 bars it would display 
> -92.  The numbers are much more accurate in determining how much 
> signal strength is actually available.
> 
> However, after updating a Sprint phone, the following steps do not 
> appear to work.
> 
> I am wondering if this is just a Sprint issue or is this option no 
> longer available in iOS 11.
> 
> To be clear, the steps below do place the phone in field test mode 
> but, so far, I cannot get the setting to remain permanent.
> 
> Can anyone please confirm this for me?  
> 
> Please let me know what cell network you're using also.  
> 
> Thank you,.
> 
> Okay, below my signature, you will see the steps to take.  
> 
> Just so you know, these steps, will in no way damage your device or 
> service for it is used by service technicians from time-to-time.
> 
> Mark
> 
> How to Display Your iPhone Signal Strength in Numbers Info
> 
> I have seen 2 different methods of putting your iPhone in Field Test 
> mode permanently in iOS 7, a short one and a long one.
> 
> The short way:
> 
> 1.
> Open your phone app and dial *3001#12345#*  and press send/call. (I 
> recommend putting this in your Notepad so can copy and paste it. You 
> will need it several times.)
> 
> 2.
> Press and hold the power button until the slide to close appears. 
> 3.
> Hold the home to kill the Field Test mode app (In iOS 7 it will 
> restart, in iOS 6 it is now permanent.)
> 
> 4.
> Repeat step 2 and 3 a couple of times. 
> 
> 5.
> Tap the home button to close Field Test mode.
> 
> 6.
> Repeat steps 1-3 (With a little bit of luck it will work the first 
> time here. I am usually able to get it the first time here. If not 
> keep
> repeating.)
> 
> 7.
> When it works you will see the Field Test mode actually close and NOT 
> restart. When this happens it is now permanent.
> 
> The long way:
> 
> 1.
> Open your phone app and dial *3001#12345#* and press send/call.
> 
> 2.
> Press and hold the power button until the slide to close appears.
> 
> 3.
> Slide the slide bar to turn your phone off. 
> 4.
> Turn your phone back on.
> 
> 5.
> It should now be permanent.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Here are the instructions from Redmond Pie:
> 
> 1.
> Dial *3001#12345#* on your iPhone then press Call.
> 
> 2.
> You'll now enter Field Test mode. You'll notice a signal strength 
> indicator on the upper left hand corner of your screen. You can toggle 
> between signal strength bars and a number by simply tapping on it. At 
> this point, press the home button to exit the app or if you would like 
> the feature to be permanent, continue on. Don't worry, the process is 
> completely reversible.
> 
> 3.
> Hold down on the Power button until you see the 'slide to power off' 
> bar. Do not power off the device.
> 
> 4.
> Press down on the Home button until the app closes and you return to 
> your home screen.
> 
> That's it. Even when restarting the iPhone, the signal strength can be 
> toggled between bars and numbers. The closer your number is to zero, 
> the stronger your signal is.
> 
> The lower your number, the stronger your signal but don't include the 
> minus sign when evaluating (so, if the signal says -60, that's better than 
> -90).
> 
> To return to the default bars permanently, follow these steps:
> 
> 

RE: Apple's New Face ID Biometric System Works in the Dark and When Your Face is Obscured by Hats and Beards

[David & his pack of dogs]

My only question is, will face recognision work if one has prosthetic eyes?  

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of the.big.apple.n...@gmail.com
Sent: September 13, 2017 2:23 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com; viph...@googlegroups.com; 
macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple's New Face ID Biometric System Works in the Dark and When 
Your Face is Obscured by Hats and Beards

 

Amazing email. I am very interested in trying this

 

Maria Reyes 

Owner of the following groups- 

Apple 411: apple411+subscr...@groups.io

iMessage/FaceTime: the.big.apple.n...@gmail.com





On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 4:48 PM -0400, "Mary Otten"  > wrote:

 

Apple's New Face ID Biometric System Works in the Dark and When Your Face is 
Obscured by Hats and Beards

MacRumors: Mac News and Rumors  /  Juli Clover


In the new iPhone X, Face ID, a facial recognition system, replaces the Touch 
ID fingerprint sensor we've grown accustomed to since it was introduced in the 
iPhone 5s. 

Because Face ID is a new biometric system, there are a lot of questions about 
its accuracy and how it will work in various conditions, all of which Apple has 
answered both in the keynote and on its website. 




How Face ID Scans Your Face



Face ID is enabled through a TrueDepth front-facing camera on the iPhone X, 
which has multiple components. A Dot Projector projects more than 30,000 
invisible dots onto your face to map its structure. 


The dot map is then read by an infrared camera and the structure of your face 
is relayed to the A11 Bionic chip in the iPhone X and transformed into a 
mathematical model. The A11 chip then compares your facial structure to the 
facial scan stored in the iPhone X during the setup process. 


As with Touch ID, if there is a match between the two face scans, the iPhone X 
will unlock. From there, you can swipe upwards to get to the Home screen. 


Face ID in the Dark



Face ID uses infrared to scan your face, so it works in low lighting conditions 
and in the dark. The TrueDepth camera also has what Apple calls a "Flood 
Illuminator," aka an infrared light that illuminates your face in the dark so 
the dot map and the infrared camera can do their jobs. 


Fooling Face ID



First of all, Face ID can't be fooled by a photo because it takes a 3D facial 
scan to unlock a device. Face ID is also "attention aware," a feature Apple 
implemented for extra security. 

Face ID will only unlock your device when you look in the direction of the 
iPhone X with your eyes open, meaning Face ID only works when there's a live 
person in front of it. Attention aware is optional, though, and can be turned 
off if you choose. Most people will want to leave attention awareness on, but 
for users unable to focus their attention on the iPhone, turning it off will 
allow the iPhone X to unlock with just a facial scan. 

Face ID is also sensitive enough to tell the difference between you and someone 
who is wearing a mask of your face. Apple trained Face ID with hyperrealistic 
masks created by Hollywood studios, ensuring a mask of a person wouldn't be 
able to fool the Face ID system. 


According to Apple, Face ID is more secure than Touch ID because there are 
slimmer chances of a mismatch. There's a 1 in 50,000 chance someone will be 
able to unlock your iPhone with their fingerprint, but a 1 in 1,000,000 chance 
someone else's face will fool Face ID. That doesn't count for twins, though -- 
if you have an identical twin, that error rate increases. 

Touch ID locks a device after five failed attempts, but with Face ID, Apple is 
only allowing two failed attempts 

 . After two incorrect scans, the iPhone X will lock and require your passcode 
to unlock again. 


Face ID With Hats, Beards, Makeup, and Glasses



Face ID works with hats, beards, glasses, scarves, and other accessories that 
partially obscure the face. According to Apple, this is because the A11 Bionic 
chip in the iPhone X uses machine learning and a neural engine to recognize 
changes in your appearance. 

It's also likely that Face ID, like other facial recognition systems, has a 
match threshold that's below 100 percent, so even with part of the face not 
visible, it recognizes the part that is visible. 


Face ID also adapts to changes in your appearance over time, so it will 
continue to recognize you as you grow a beard or grow your hair longer. 

One caveat -- Apple doesn't mention sunglasses. There's a chance that Face ID 
doesn't work when wearing sunglasses because it obscures your eyes, and eye 
contact is required for unlocking the device. Attention aware can be disabled, 
though, so Face ID may work with sunglasses in that situation. 


Face ID When Unconscious or Sleeping



If someone knocks you unconscious or attempts 

RE: Anybody left in Florida?

[David & his pack of dogs]

I thought this was a Mac list, not a list to discuss politics.  I have tried to 
email the owner and mod of this list re: my concerns and the messages got 
bounced back as undeliverable. My profession is training problem dogs.  Not a 
childcare worker who listens to childish sniping.  Once again E T and Chuck are 
at it again.   

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: September 11, 2017 8:13 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Anybody left in Florida?

Well, until someone get ahold of Chuck and actually applies some moderation I’m 
done, unsubbing account #2.

> On Sep 11, 2017, at 12:39 AM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   Heh, thanks for the correction. Yes, go figure. Next year's midterm 
> elections will be interesting, we will see how many of the right lose their 
> seats.
> 
>   Michelle O as President. Hmmm! Fascinating!
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the  mysteries of the world, 
> all the challenges to  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off  
> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 9/10/2017 9:22 PM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>> Hey ET,
>>  That's no man, it's an orange!
>> But yeah and he still sits in the chair of power,  Go figure,  
>> Michelle O for president, how would that sound?
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
>> Sent: Monday, 11 September 2017 3:13 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Anybody left in Florida?
>> Simon,
>> The election was rigged, the man said so himself.
>>  From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>"God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> On 9/10/2017 7:35 PM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>>> Was listening to some news casts out of florida earlier today,
>>> 
>>> Some guy was kite surfing off the Miami beachs in the storm,
>>> 
>>> Another guy was wandering down the street with no shirt on and when 
>>> asked what he was doing he said he was going to tie himself to a post for a 
>>> science experiement and see out the storm that way, It was alright though 
>>> he said he had safety measures in place.
>>> 
>>> I thought we kiwis were friggen crazy,
>>> 
>>>   Not only do you guys elect a crazy orange guy as your leader but 
>>> you do things like kite surf in a hurricane
>>> 
>>> Good luck to you all in the south we're all hanging out watching the 
>>> happenings.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kliphton 
>>> Miller
>>> Sent: Monday, 11 September 2017 12:27 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Anybody left in Florida?
>>> 
>>> WE in Tallahassee over here.  Store shelves are bare, people are leaving 
>>> town, and the Red Cross is stocking up and picking up the homeless.  I just 
>>> grabbed 15 cases of water, 10 cases of gadarade, and some juice boxes for 
>>> the kids.  It is expected to come threw here later on tonight so we will 
>>> see what happens.  The place I live is hurricane ready, so we will see what 
>>> happens.
>>> Check out my groups
>>> Beta tester for apple products?  come help squash the bugs:
>>> https://groups.io/g/public-beta-users
>>> Come learn and teach about apple products!
>>> https://groups.io/g/peel-the-apple
>>> 
 On Sep 10, 2017, at 2:51 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
 
 I lived in West Palm for a long time, talking to my friend this evening 
 who still does on the 18th floor of a condo complex.  Sounds like a place 
 I would not want to be.  We’re pulling for you all up here.  Looks like 
 it’s headed a bit west so may be little bit less damaging than originally 
 thought but that sure seems like a whopper of a storm.  Keep the powder 
 dry down there.
 
 
> On Sep 9, 2017, at 4:49 PM, CHUCK REICHEL 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Terje,
> 
> yes were down here in Sunrise fl Broward County AKA Fort 
> Lauderdale We just had a feeder band go through! and a tornado 
> watch just went in to effect! :) Shutters locked and loaded!
> Chuck
> "God does not play dice with the universe"
> "Albert Einstein’
> 
> 
> On Sep 9, 2017, at 3:20 PM, Terje Strømberg wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Are there someone from Florida or Georgia on this list? Good luck.
>> 
>> Take care
>> 
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RE: Using my iPhone with a guide dog

[David & his pack of dogs]

Jonathon, if the dog is well trained it should be able to find the entrances 
you require and the same is true with escalators. Shoes should not be mandatory 
when using an escalator.  That is, if, the dog is well trained.   

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Jonathan Cohn
Sent: September 9, 2017 8:56 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Using my iPhone on a camping trip

 

I have an app on my phone called My Way. It is a bit clunky to use maybe 
because I have the Lite / free version.

 

You can ask it to record a route. Then every time you either shake the phone or 
make a significant turn it will record that spot in a list of waypoints. You 
can then follow that path forward or backwards.

 

I will be looking for the full version later this week since I am about 2 
months out from getting a new guide dog and I am not sure how well I'll be able 
to find the dozen or so subway entrances I use on a regular basis. I usually 
don't need the turn by turn information but just how far down the block a set 
of stairs or escalator is. Though considering thatGDB now expects you to put 
shoes on the dog before using an escalator, I might be searching out all the 
elevators.

 

 

 

 

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



 

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RE: Social Media and Preparedness

[David & his pack of dogs]

There is good and bad in most things.  Years ago, the older ones viewed 
computers as A just another book keeping device or B a way of getting porn 
secretly. I heard one of those comments a long time ago.  Face book was used to 
advertise the opening of a new restaurant. Also, as mentioned when there were 
forest fires in B C, a way of giving updates and notifying friends that one was 
alright and keeping them a breast of evacuation orders.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of E.T.
Sent: September 4, 2017 8:52 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Social Media and Preparedness

Tim,
This is what is swinging me around to use the apps. You would probably 
agree the benefits outweigh the garbage. I have friends in Texas who felt the 
power of Harvey but were far enough away to be safe.

 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
   "God for you is where you sweep away all the
   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 9/4/2017 8:31 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> FaceBook has a nice feature that lets people know that you're safe during an 
> emergency situation.  Last year during the evacuation of Fort McMurray due to 
> the wildfire, a notification popped into our FaceBook feed stating something 
> to the nature of "Let your friends and family know your safe".  We were able 
> to let all our FaceBook contacts know that we had made it out safely and were 
> OK.  This was a huge relief for many of our friends and family as they 
> followed the scary news of the event.  Now, this certainly isn't foolproof as 
> one needs a device like an iPhone, and some sort of method by which you can 
> connect to FaceBook, like active cell towers, in order for this to be of any 
> service.  But it is very useful in my opinion.  This, along with follow-up 
> groups etc gave me a new appreciation for the power of social media like 
> FaceBook during emergency events.  Granted, there's a ton of garbage on 
> FaceBook and other social media platforms, but this feature certainly was 
> positive.
> 
> Later...
>   
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Sep 4, 2017, at 09:08, lenron brown  wrote:
> 
> I love Youtube so much cool and fun stuff there. I tend to use twitter 
> for a lot of my social media needs. I kind of work like you Scott when 
> it comes to Social media. Gave up on facebook last year for the most 
> part. I might log in every now and then.
> 
> On 9/4/17, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> I find it really difficult to cut a line of facebook or twitter on a 
>> mirror and then snort it through my straw.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>> Sent: Monday, 4 September 2017 3:19 PM
>> To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via 
>> 
>> Subject: Re: Social Media and Preparedness
>>
>> I don’t find it addicting but that’s me.  I think the closest I get 
>> is I do like watching content on youtube and other video sources but 
>> I’m more of a passive user of social media.  I get news aggregated on 
>> twitter and so forth.
>>
>>
>>> On Sep 3, 2017, at 10:01 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>>>
>>>   Thanks that did help. I promise myself I will not become addicted 
>>> to this. (smiles)
>>>
>>>  From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the  mysteries of the 
>>> world, all the challenges to  our intelligence. You simply turn your 
>>> mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>
>>> On 9/3/2017 6:41 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
 O in my opinion Facebook is what you would use to stay connected 
 with your family and friends and twitter would be the best for 
 gathering news and staying informed.  You could follow the news 
 sites or aggregators you want and quickly get the latest.
 Hope that helps.
> On Sep 3, 2017, at 9:32 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>
>   I am not a fan of social media. But given how it can be used in 
> times of emergency, I may relent.
>
>   Which would be ideal for me to sign up with, and the most 
> useful, Facebook or Twitter? I would only use an iDevice for this.
>
>  From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
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> world, all the challenges to  our intelligence. You simply turn 
> your mind off  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
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RE: Mod Note - Better late than never - Religion and Respect on the List

[David & his pack of dogs]

Since it has been broached, my only comment re this matter is.  The sad thing 
is, some instead of letting a topic like a camp fire, die down, kept throwing 
gas on the fire. Admittedly, my comments were, shall we say, at times edgy and, 
I expected to be booted off the list or placed on moderated status, which 
frankly would not have bothered me in the least.  It's not that I don't care, 
just have had to deal with power hungry or favor seeking moderators on other 
lists.  However, whatever people may think, I do not resort to personal attacks 
on list members, well, not publicly, anyway. TTFN   

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Cara Quinn
Sent: September 2, 2017 12:40 PM
To: 'Adrian Leong' via MacVisionaries 
Cc: Cara Quinn 
Subject: Re: Mod Note - Better late than never - Religion and Respect on the 
List

Hey Simon,

You know, as much as I would love to keep the interesting discussions going 
here, it’s probably just not a good idea. :)

Yes, I know you’re being tongue and cheek but you should know that I actually 
love lively controversial discussions. I really do love them a lot!

I wish we could channel that into another unmodded group and still have the 
same fire. -But that just isn’t something that one can orchestrate. It’s got to 
happen on its own. We’ve got a great bunch here for that. :)

Unfortunately it doesn’t seem like we can keep it to a dull roar here without 
it either going too long or developing into a flame war or overshadowing the 
tech nature of this group.

So the quick answer is ‘I wish.’ :)

anyway, thanks for the levity and have a great weekend!

Cheers!

Cara

On Sep 1, 2017, at 11:10 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:

Hi Cara,

Thanks for this, 
But what about kim jung ell and Donald trump,

Can we make comments abot them?



-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Cara Quinn
Sent: Saturday, 2 September 2017 7:18 AM
To: 'Adrian Leong' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Mod Note - Better late than never - Religion and Respect on the List

Hi All; Chuck, Scott and ET in particular;

Chuck, there is no place for disrespectful language here on this list. It is 
completely obvious to everyone what you are doing with your signature file (as 
it has been for months now) to basically force your religious views and mock 
and disrespect ET personally. ET’s signature is simply a quote from Carl Sagan 
whereas yours is your own made-up rant about how you feel about alternative 
views of religion and toward ET in particular. This is the difference and this 
is why I am calling you out on this.

Scott, you have more wealth than 90 percent of folks on this list (probably put 
together) and yet you continue to behave like a spoiled child and keep goading 
Chuck and others on this list by inciting these heated exchanges or just 
keeping them going with well-placed jabs at people. Now aside from some of your 
general wittiness about these, this is just not acceptable for this list. Also, 
regardless of any contempt you may have for organized religion or Christianity 
in particular, once again, this is simply not for this list.

Lastly, ET, while I think you are probably simply just responding to jabs 
against you at times, in this instance, from what I am seeing, it looks like 
you are contributing to the sheer snark of this thread and keeping this going.

So basically to the three of you and to all listers, if I can sum all this up 
into a couple of list guidelines going forward:

1 Keep your tone cordial to people on this list.

2 Keep your religious beliefs (this includes contrary scientific arguments and 
atheism etc) off of this list completely. The *only* exclusion to this would be 
if there is some App or such that has to do with any of these topics. In that 
case, please stick to describing such app and offering technical assistance to 
such. Keep all other religious discussion off this list.

Chuck, Scott and ET, for now the three of you will be on moderation. If you 
have any issues with this or think we’ve made a bad call, then just write 
either me or Mark privately and we’ll be happy to discuss this.

If anyone else keeps this discussion about religion or bashing of people’s 
character going, then you will be placed on temporary moderation as well.

Sorry to all of you for this. It’s just that this has gotten so far out of hand 
that this is just ridiculous and some of you just can’t seem to act like adults 
about this and let some of this stuff go.

Despite this, let me wish all of you a great weekend and a quieter list 
experience.

Cheers!

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RE: Using my iPhone on a camping trip

[David & his pack of dogs]

Sorry, but I think someone needs the dose on their psychiatric medication 
increased. If they think dogs/wolves domesticated us.   I am reminded of a line 
off a British comedy.  "There are more nuts outside the bin then there are in." 
hence forth, I will not perpetuate this psychiatrically challenged thread. 

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of E.T.
Sent: September 1, 2017 9:06 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Using my iPhone on a camping trip

Definitely true and definitely way more than 6,000 years ago when the wolf 
began to domesticate humans.

 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
   "God for you is where you sweep away all the
   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 9/1/2017 8:57 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
> Actually David you’re a little historically inaccurate in a way.  I see your 
> point but let’s remember, dogs selected humans originally through out history 
> it wasn’t humans who captured and tamed the dogs.  Way back in prehistoric 
> times (again more than 6000 years ago for the mentally deficient) dogs 
> selected humans to be close to for what reason, food!  Dogs leveraged their 
> cute furry nature and eventually came in close enough to humans around fires 
> because of the food being cooked.  We all know how our furry friends can be 
> they started to leverage their cuteness and turn that in to a meal.  As time 
> passed humans began to use food to start to work with the dogs and then over 
> time more detailed and advanced training methods were developed.  Training a 
> dog with a treat is as natural a method as any and is probably the oldest 
> method historically speaking.  You’re absolutely right that verbal praise can 
> be a good positive reenforcement so let’s say that you’re both right.
> 
> 
>> On Sep 1, 2017, at 11:36 AM, David & his pack of dogs 
>> <myguidedo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> People must pay bills each month unless you are a gigolo or a kept woman.  
>> Dogs don't.  The public by into this fallacy that dogs only work for food.  
>> What do they get?  Fat dogs.  The reality is, these people are secretly 
>> trying to buy the dog's affection.  You can reward a dog for a job well done 
>> with verbal praise, and they don't get fat on that.  Then you have a 
>> contented and hardworking dog who, yes does get fed but, not just for the 
>> handler's sake, to buy the dog's affection, we all need food to live. 
>> However, as mentioned dogs should not be free fed just as people should not 
>> be eating all the time either. I have worked with dogs most have condemned 
>> to be euthanized and, have rarely used treats to motivate them to work.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
>> Sent: September 1, 2017 8:12 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Using my iPhone on a camping trip
>>
>> Outhouses. Now that was a stretch. Remember, Labs are Hoovers. They live 
>> for that kibble, its bribery  but humans like to get paid with a check every 
>> week so why not pay the hard working guide dog.
>>
>>  From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>"God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>
>> On 9/1/2017 8:03 AM, David & his pack of dogs wrote:
>>> After going to the Pit toilet or whatever people call a wooden shed, a 
>>> well-trained guide dog should be able to take their handler back to the 
>>> camping area. Dogs not even trained by schools have taken their totally 
>>> blind persons back to the camping area with no problem. As for the person 
>>> who hopefully was flippant when he mentioned about bribing a dog to work, 
>>> must be a certified trainer for one of the California guide dog schools in 
>>> the U S.  Who, if they are not suggesting they will give you a guide if you 
>>> have or provide sex for them and if you don't you don't get a guide dog.  
>>> Or, they find some fictitious reason to keep back a guide dog and send you 
>>> home sans guide dog because they secretly take a bribe to keep the dog so 
>>> when, they retire the following year, they have a nest egg to fall back on. 
>>> Oh, I forgot to mention the trainer who on an interview with a pote

RE: Using my iPhone on a camping trip

[David & his pack of dogs]

Doing research?  Could be, but, could not the police use the same logic instead 
of getting a warrant to search someone’s house? There are a lot of blind 
couples.  It is also possible as a total mentioned, the trainer forgot there 
was a sighted person with me and, thought he’d pull a fast one and be sneaky. 
He did not know that sighted person was specially trained to spot shop lifters 
so, watched everyone for peculiarities in their body language or actions. As 
for the guide growling at everyone save the owner. That is not acceptable 
conduct and the school should have been called regarding this matter. Of 
course, there is the other end of it.  If the trainer could not properly train 
the dog when they had it for at least 6 months, how could they magically get 
knowledge enough to fix the problem now?  The statement in the contract they 
send the handler home with is, they guarantee the dog is properly trained to 
perform the tasks outlined. The out for them is, the handler did not keep up 
the training, did not follow directions and any other excuse they can come up 
with. In a lot of incidents, they are correct. However, in some rare cases, the 
trainer is arrogant and spews out bravado on how good of a trainer they are and 
the less experienced guide dog handlers swallow it.  The experienced ones who 
know better, could be mysteriously told they cannot come back.  Why?  Perhaps 
it is because the fraudulent trainers would be exposed.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Jonathan Cohn
Sent: September 1, 2017 8:57 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Using my iPhone on a camping trip

 

Well, in terms of guidance I had a dog that was definitely not a trained guide 
that knew enough to keep his night blind owner safe at night. Though she also 
loved to steal the baby's toys at home and growl at everybody but the owner. 

 

In terms of the washroom incident, I expect the trainer was not lost, but doing 
a little extra research probably would have been better to ask permission but 
anyhow. 

 

Now if only my guide would refuse to leave the house if I didn't have my 
iPhone. There, brought it back to the appropriate set of topics. 

 

On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 11:03 AM David & his pack of dogs 
<myguidedo...@gmail.com <mailto:myguidedo...@gmail.com> > wrote:

After going to the Pit toilet or whatever people call a wooden shed, a 
well-trained guide dog should be able to take their handler back to the camping 
area. Dogs not even trained by schools have taken their totally blind persons 
back to the camping area with no problem. As for the person who hopefully was 
flippant when he mentioned about bribing a dog to work, must be a certified 
trainer for one of the California guide dog schools in the U S.  Who, if they 
are not suggesting they will give you a guide if you have or provide sex for 
them and if you don't you don't get a guide dog.  Or, they find some fictitious 
reason to keep back a guide dog and send you home sans guide dog because they 
secretly take a bribe to keep the dog so when, they retire the following year, 
they have a nest egg to fall back on. Oh, I forgot to mention the trainer who 
on an interview with a potential guide dog user, asked where the bathroom was, 
clear directions were given but, on the way to that room, he opened closed 
doors and looked in each room including passing the washroom and looking in 
that bedroom as well. One must wonder if he cannot follow clear directions to a 
place.  How can he properly train a dog? Or, if he does that in a stranger's 
home, what will he do on class?  Will he too, make a nocturnal visit to a 
female student's bedroom and have sex with her as well? These kinds of male and 
female trainers give the good trainers a bad name and the schools where they 
are working as well.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>  
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Simon Fogarty
Sent: September 1, 2017 3:11 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Using my iphone on a camping trip

I don't really get this,

 What sort of camp out areas do you folks have over there?

 Over here you walk in to the bush and dig a hole where no one else can see you 
then squat!

And if need be drop a match on the paper to get rid of the waste.

 Fill the hole in and go back to yoru tent.

If you are staying in what we call a camping ground then there must be some 
kind of road way, have the dog follow the edge of the road in the direction of 
the toilet block and then when it gets near have the dog find it as it should.

 Of course finding your way back to the lodging might be different but surely 
the dog can smell it's food or someone can keep an eye out for you on

RE: Using my iPhone on a camping trip

[David & his pack of dogs]

People must pay bills each month unless you are a gigolo or a kept woman.  Dogs 
don't.  The public by into this fallacy that dogs only work for food.  What do 
they get?  Fat dogs.  The reality is, these people are secretly trying to buy 
the dog's affection.  You can reward a dog for a job well done with verbal 
praise, and they don't get fat on that.  Then you have a contented and 
hardworking dog who, yes does get fed but, not just for the handler's sake, to 
buy the dog's affection, we all need food to live. However, as mentioned dogs 
should not be free fed just as people should not be eating all the time either. 
I have worked with dogs most have condemned to be euthanized and, have rarely 
used treats to motivate them to work.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of E.T.
Sent: September 1, 2017 8:12 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Using my iPhone on a camping trip

Outhouses. Now that was a stretch. Remember, Labs are Hoovers. They live 
for that kibble, its bribery  but humans like to get paid with a check every 
week so why not pay the hard working guide dog.

 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
   "God for you is where you sweep away all the
   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 9/1/2017 8:03 AM, David & his pack of dogs wrote:
> After going to the Pit toilet or whatever people call a wooden shed, a 
> well-trained guide dog should be able to take their handler back to the 
> camping area. Dogs not even trained by schools have taken their totally blind 
> persons back to the camping area with no problem. As for the person who 
> hopefully was flippant when he mentioned about bribing a dog to work, must be 
> a certified trainer for one of the California guide dog schools in the U S.  
> Who, if they are not suggesting they will give you a guide if you have or 
> provide sex for them and if you don't you don't get a guide dog.  Or, they 
> find some fictitious reason to keep back a guide dog and send you home sans 
> guide dog because they secretly take a bribe to keep the dog so when, they 
> retire the following year, they have a nest egg to fall back on. Oh, I forgot 
> to mention the trainer who on an interview with a potential guide dog user, 
> asked where the bathroom was, clear directions were given but, on the way to 
> that room, he opened closed doors and looked in each room including passing 
> the washroom and looking in that bedroom as well. One must wonder if he 
> cannot follow clear directions to a place.  How can he properly train a dog? 
> Or, if he does that in a stranger's home, what will he do on class?  Will he 
> too, make a nocturnal visit to a female student's bedroom and have sex with 
> her as well? These kinds of male and female trainers give the good trainers a 
> bad name and the schools where they are working as well.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Simon Fogarty
> Sent: September 1, 2017 3:11 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Using my iphone on a camping trip
> 
> I don't really get this,
> 
>   What sort of camp out areas do you folks have over there?
> 
>   Over here you walk in to the bush and dig a hole where no one else can see 
> you then squat!
> 
> And if need be drop a match on the paper to get rid of the waste.
> 
>   Fill the hole in and go back to yoru tent.
> 
> If you are staying in what we call a camping ground then there must be some 
> kind of road way, have the dog follow the edge of the road in the direction 
> of the toilet block and then when it gets near have the dog find it as it 
> should.
> 
>   Of course finding your way back to the lodging might be different 
> but surely the dog can smell it's food or someone can keep an eye out 
> for you on the return
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Hudson
> Sent: Friday, 1 September 2017 6:47 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Using my iphone on a camping trip
> 
> Scott I'm pretty sure, you're going to have something to say about this. But 
> I hate to burst your bubble. Tim's information is correct to an extent. 
> However yours is completely wrong. If you have no service whatsoever on your 
> device, the phone, will not pick up a GPS location. I have recently tried 
> this. When I've had absolutely no service. The only way it works, when you 
> have no service. As if you have previously loaded your route, before you lost 
> 

RE: Using my iPhone on a camping trip

[David & his pack of dogs]

After going to the Pit toilet or whatever people call a wooden shed, a 
well-trained guide dog should be able to take their handler back to the camping 
area. Dogs not even trained by schools have taken their totally blind persons 
back to the camping area with no problem. As for the person who hopefully was 
flippant when he mentioned about bribing a dog to work, must be a certified 
trainer for one of the California guide dog schools in the U S.  Who, if they 
are not suggesting they will give you a guide if you have or provide sex for 
them and if you don't you don't get a guide dog.  Or, they find some fictitious 
reason to keep back a guide dog and send you home sans guide dog because they 
secretly take a bribe to keep the dog so when, they retire the following year, 
they have a nest egg to fall back on. Oh, I forgot to mention the trainer who 
on an interview with a potential guide dog user, asked where the bathroom was, 
clear directions were given but, on the way to that room, he opened closed 
doors and looked in each room including passing the washroom and looking in 
that bedroom as well. One must wonder if he cannot follow clear directions to a 
place.  How can he properly train a dog? Or, if he does that in a stranger's 
home, what will he do on class?  Will he too, make a nocturnal visit to a 
female student's bedroom and have sex with her as well? These kinds of male and 
female trainers give the good trainers a bad name and the schools where they 
are working as well.   

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Simon Fogarty
Sent: September 1, 2017 3:11 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Using my iphone on a camping trip

I don't really get this,

 What sort of camp out areas do you folks have over there?

 Over here you walk in to the bush and dig a hole where no one else can see you 
then squat!

And if need be drop a match on the paper to get rid of the waste.

 Fill the hole in and go back to yoru tent.

If you are staying in what we call a camping ground then there must be some 
kind of road way, have the dog follow the edge of the road in the direction of 
the toilet block and then when it gets near have the dog find it as it should.

 Of course finding your way back to the lodging might be different but surely 
the dog can smell it's food or someone can keep an eye out for you on the return

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Joseph Hudson
Sent: Friday, 1 September 2017 6:47 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Using my iphone on a camping trip

Scott I'm pretty sure, you're going to have something to say about this. But I 
hate to burst your bubble. Tim's information is correct to an extent. However 
yours is completely wrong. If you have no service whatsoever on your device, 
the phone, will not pick up a GPS location. I have recently tried this. When 
I've had absolutely no service. The only way it works, when you have no 
service. As if you have previously loaded your route, before you lost service. 
So I hope this clarifies things.
Joseph Hudson 

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> On Aug 31, 2017, at 1:39 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> This is not correct.
> 
> Even with out service enabled the GPS chip is functional and also pulls 
> location data from the network.  You have to have cell signal for the tower 
> based location but GPS will be received all the time.  You will need to have 
> data cached locally if you don’t have an active account.  WiFi is not 
> required however.
> 
>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:37 PM, tim  wrote:
>> 
>> I have recently tried just what your wanting to do. You can do it as long as 
>> you have a wyfy connection. If not then your iPhone is just a big paper 
>> weight and only good for books and games.
>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:25 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> How about just "follow your dog"? Its not impossible. And its not Eat, its 
>>> E.T.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the world, 
>>> all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn your mind 
>>> off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> On 8/31/2017 11:16 AM, CHUCK REICHEL wrote:
 Hey EAT,
 How about a tactual compass?
 This would point you and  the guide dog in the general direction 
 and when you get close the dog's training would kick in! :) Chuck 
 "Ancient Aliens" for the deluded, is when you brush aside all the 
 Beauty of the world, all the evidence that points to Our 

RE: Using my iPhone on a camping trip

[David & his pack of dogs]

Your comment begs the question, what to you is camping?  Of course, you don't 
have to answer. I just get a kick out of those who say they love camping then 
find out their perception of camping is staying in a cottage.  Our handyman 
told us his girlfriend at the time said she loved camping.  After they got 
married he found out her idea was living in an R V, his was tenting and cooking 
on an open fire. The next girlfriend, her idea of a vacation was living in a 
gated community.  His comment, "Why not just go to prison, then."

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of E.T.
Sent: August 31, 2017 5:26 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Using my iphone on a camping trip

I reckon our perception of "camping" is dated, sadly.

 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
   "God for you is where you sweep away all the
   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 8/31/2017 4:35 PM, David & his pack of dogs wrote:
> The one thing I've learned over the years is.  The term camping is subjective 
> at best. To some, taking a R V to a national park or private campground, is 
> camping where they never leave the RV accept to go into the local pub or 
> restaurant to eat, with others, they don't leave the cottage.  Then there are 
> those who hike into a clearing in the woods and set up a carry-in tent. Some 
> camp for 2 days, others for 2 weeks.  Others live on hot dogs, chips and 
> beer, leave their garbage and call that camping.  It is all subjective.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Todor Fassl
> Sent: August  31, 2017 4:19 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com; E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com>
> Subject: Re: Using my iphone on a camping trip
> 
> I will bet my house you have never been on a camping trip with a guide dog. I 
> didn't ask for help with my guide dog. I have an excellent guide dog and way 
> above average OEM skills. I'm very active in the blind community and with 
> guide dog users in particular and I know this for to be a fact. There isn't a 
> guide dog on this planet that isn't going to have trouble in the woods. There 
> are a million distractions and no clear paths. If you are going to tell me 
> you have taken your guide dog on camping trips and he performed flawlessly, I 
> am going to call you a liar. On top of all that, I didn't ask for help with 
> my f'in guide dog.
> 
> PS: You still owe me an apology from the lst time you and I tangled.
> 
> 
> On 08/31/2017 01:25 PM, E.T. wrote:
>> How about just "follow your dog"? Its not impossible. And its not 
>> Eat, its E.T.
>>
>>  From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>"God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>
>> On 8/31/2017 11:16 AM, CHUCK REICHEL wrote:
>>> Hey EAT,
>>> How about a tactual compass?
>>> This would point you and  the guide dog in the general direction and 
>>> when you get close the dog's training would kick in! :) Chuck 
>>> "Ancient Aliens" for the deluded, is when you brush aside all the 
>>> Beauty of the world, all the evidence that points to
>>>Our intelligent Design. You ignorantly choose to ignore the 
>>> evidence! And belch out Ancient Aliens did it!"
>>> CR
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:06 PM, E.T. wrote:
>>>
>>>> A little effort and a little bribery with the guide dog will 
>>>> work wonders. That is what they are trained for.
>>>>
>>>>   From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>>"God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>>>mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>>>our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>>>and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>>
>>>> On 8/31/2017 11:00 AM, Phil Halton wrote:
>>>>> Well, you could go old tech and just ask for help. Honestly, 
>>>>> technology has it's limits and sometimes there's just no 
>>>>> substitute for a friendly smile and  asking for help. And, it 
>>>>> offers certain possibilities not available on your phone.
>>>>> Sent from my IPhone
>>>

RE: Using my iphone on a camping trip

[David & his pack of dogs]

The one thing I've learned over the years is.  The term camping is subjective 
at best. To some, taking a R V to a national park or private campground, is 
camping where they never leave the RV accept to go into the local pub or 
restaurant to eat, with others, they don't leave the cottage.  Then there are 
those who hike into a clearing in the woods and set up a carry-in tent. Some 
camp for 2 days, others for 2 weeks.  Others live on hot dogs, chips and beer, 
leave their garbage and call that camping.  It is all subjective.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Todor Fassl
Sent: August31, 2017 4:19 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com; E.T. 
Subject: Re: Using my iphone on a camping trip

I will bet my house you have never been on a camping trip with a guide dog. I 
didn't ask for help with my guide dog. I have an excellent guide dog and way 
above average OEM skills. I'm very active in the blind community and with guide 
dog users in particular and I know this for to be a fact. There isn't a guide 
dog on this planet that isn't going to have trouble in the woods. There are a 
million distractions and no clear paths. If you are going to tell me you have 
taken your guide dog on camping trips and he performed flawlessly, I am going 
to call you a liar. On top of all that, I didn't ask for help with my f'in 
guide dog.

PS: You still owe me an apology from the lst time you and I tangled.


On 08/31/2017 01:25 PM, E.T. wrote:
>How about just "follow your dog"? Its not impossible. And its not 
> Eat, its E.T.
>
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>   "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>
> On 8/31/2017 11:16 AM, CHUCK REICHEL wrote:
>> Hey EAT,
>> How about a tactual compass?
>> This would point you and  the guide dog in the general direction and 
>> when you get close the dog's training would kick in! :) Chuck 
>> "Ancient Aliens" for the deluded, is when you brush aside all the 
>> Beauty of the world, all the evidence that points to
>>   Our intelligent Design. You ignorantly choose to ignore the 
>> evidence! And belch out Ancient Aliens did it!"
>> CR
>>
>>
>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:06 PM, E.T. wrote:
>>
>>>A little effort and a little bribery with the guide dog will work 
>>> wonders. That is what they are trained for.
>>>
>>>  From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>   "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>>   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>>   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>>   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>
>>> On 8/31/2017 11:00 AM, Phil Halton wrote:
 Well, you could go old tech and just ask for help. Honestly, 
 technology has it's limits and sometimes there's just no substitute 
 for a friendly smile and  asking for help. And, it offers certain 
 possibilities not available on your phone.
 Sent from my IPhone
> On Aug 31, 2017, at 1:54 PM, Todor Fassl  wrote:
>
> I'm going on a camping and rock climbing trip with a group called 
> Adaptive Adventures. Last year, I had some trouble getting lost in 
> the camp grounds. Like if I wanted to get to the bathroom on my 
> own I would always get kind of lost. I have a guide dog but he'd 
> get confused as to what I wanted him to do. I was hoping some 
> people could give me some tips on using technology to help me with 
> stuff. Any ideas what so ever are acceptable.
>
> I have an iphone 5s, a Macbook Pro, and an old ipod Touch. The 
> iphone is running the latest version of IOS. It's slow but it 
> works. I am willing to buy some new stuff although it is probably 
> too late to update my phone.
>
>
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RE: Using my iPhone on a camping trip

[David & his pack of dogs]

They both need to move on and stop sniping each other on list.  Scott did not 
have to be sarcastic and Joseph did not have to respond in kind.  Where there 
is no wood, there is no fire.  

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of E.T.
Sent: August 31, 2017 2:02 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Using my iphone on a camping trip

Good grief, Joseph, grow up.

 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
   "God for you is where you sweep away all the
   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 8/31/2017 1:07 PM, Joseph Hudson wrote:
> Well Tim, that's exactly what I was trying to tell Scott. But he did 
> not want to listen. He wanted to accuse me of smoking crack
>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 1:53 PM, tim  wrote:
>>
>> Well I needed directions to new doctor. With no wyfy or cell signal it told 
>> me not abled to complete request. The phone was totally useless. I had to 
>> wait until almost on top of town where cell signal came up and GPS found my 
>> directions.
>> My nephew on his android phone with no cell connection worked better with 
>> GPS then mine did.
>> Now out on lake James in North Carolina it was totally useless for any 
>> directions. No phone gets signal or wyfy on that lake.
>> I have to use my own cell tower just to get signal out my house.
>> So if your near major cities you will have signal for all.
>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:39 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>>
>>> This is not correct.
>>>
>>> Even with out service enabled the GPS chip is functional and also pulls 
>>> location data from the network.  You have to have cell signal for the tower 
>>> based location but GPS will be received all the time.  You will need to 
>>> have data cached locally if you don’t have an active account.  WiFi is not 
>>> required however.
>>>
 On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:37 PM, tim  wrote:

 I have recently tried just what your wanting to do. You can do it as long 
 as you have a wyfy connection. If not then your iPhone is just a big paper 
 weight and only good for books and games.
> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:25 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>
> How about just "follow your dog"? Its not impossible. And its not Eat, 
> its E.T.
>
>  From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the 
> world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn 
> your mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>
> On 8/31/2017 11:16 AM, CHUCK REICHEL wrote:
>> Hey EAT,
>> How about a tactual compass?
>> This would point you and  the guide dog in the general direction 
>> and when you get close the dog's training would kick in! :) Chuck 
>> "Ancient Aliens" for the deluded, is when you brush aside all the  
>> Beauty of the world, all the evidence that points to Our intelligent 
>> Design. You ignorantly choose to ignore the evidence! And belch out 
>> Ancient Aliens did it!"
>> CR
>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:06 PM, E.T. wrote:
>>> A little effort and a little bribery with the guide dog will work 
>>> wonders. That is what they are trained for.
>>>
>>>  From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the 
>>> world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn 
>>> your mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>
>>> On 8/31/2017 11:00 AM, Phil Halton wrote:
 Well, you could go old tech and just ask for help. Honestly, 
 technology has it's limits and sometimes there's just no substitute 
 for a friendly smile and  asking for help. And, it offers certain 
 possibilities not available on your phone.
 Sent from my IPhone
> On Aug 31, 2017, at 1:54 PM, Todor Fassl  wrote:
>
> I'm going on a camping and rock climbing trip with a group called 
> Adaptive Adventures. Last year, I had some trouble getting lost in 
> the camp grounds. Like if I wanted to get to the bathroom on my own I 
> would always get kind of lost. I have a guide dog but he'd get 
> confused as to what I wanted him to do. I was hoping some people 
> could give me some tips on using technology to help me with stuff. 
> Any ideas what so ever are acceptable.
>
> I have an iphone 5s, a Macbook Pro, and an old ipod Touch. The iphone 
> is running the latest version of IOS. It's slow but it works. I am 
> willing to buy some new stuff although it is probably too late to 
> update my phone.
>
>
> 

RE: Using my iphone on a camping trip

[David & his pack of dogs]

Maybe camping to scott is not leaving his RV?  Coverage has improved a lot but, 
having camped in the forest, there are still places that signals cannot get 
too.  When we were in an underground parkaid at an international airport, the 
GPS did not work at all.  

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of CHUCK REICHEL
Sent: August 31, 2017 12:17 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Using my iphone on a camping trip

Hey Scott,
If your out in the forest to climb rocks and such, I think you should not 
depend on reception thats why I suggested a tactile compass to get you pointed 
in the correct direction and once your guide dog recognizes the "latrine" or 
starting point for the climb he'll guide you to it!!! :) A "satellite phone" 
may be a solution also but if you want to un plug go all the way.
I never leave the house with out my compass in my bag as a back up!
Chuck
"Ancient Aliens" for the deluded, is when you brush aside all the  Beauty of 
the world, all the evidence that points to  Our intelligent Design. You 
ignorantly choose to ignore the evidence! And belch out Ancient Aliens did it!"
CR



On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:57 PM, Scott Granados wrote:

> Right again, this is a problem with your application
> 
> Not the phone or the network.  
> 
> 
>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:53 PM, tim  wrote:
>> 
>> Well I needed directions to new doctor. With no wyfy or cell signal it told 
>> me not abled to complete request. The phone was totally useless. I had to 
>> wait until almost on top of town where cell signal came up and GPS found my 
>> directions.
>> My nephew on his android phone with no cell connection worked better with 
>> GPS then mine did. 
>> Now out on lake James in North Carolina it was totally useless for any 
>> directions. No phone gets signal or wyfy on that lake.
>> I have to use my own cell tower just to get signal out my house.
>> So if your near major cities you will have signal for all.
>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:39 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> This is not correct.
>>> 
>>> Even with out service enabled the GPS chip is functional and also pulls 
>>> location data from the network.  You have to have cell signal for the tower 
>>> based location but GPS will be received all the time.  You will need to 
>>> have data cached locally if you don’t have an active account.  WiFi is not 
>>> required however.
>>> 
 On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:37 PM, tim  wrote:
 
 I have recently tried just what your wanting to do. You can do it as long 
 as you have a wyfy connection. If not then your iPhone is just a big paper 
 weight and only good for books and games.
> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:25 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
> How about just "follow your dog"? Its not impossible. And its not Eat, 
> its E.T.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the 
> world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn 
> your mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 8/31/2017 11:16 AM, CHUCK REICHEL wrote:
>> Hey EAT,
>> How about a tactual compass?
>> This would point you and  the guide dog in the general direction 
>> and when you get close the dog's training would kick in! :) Chuck 
>> "Ancient Aliens" for the deluded, is when you brush aside all the  
>> Beauty of the world, all the evidence that points to Our intelligent 
>> Design. You ignorantly choose to ignore the evidence! And belch out 
>> Ancient Aliens did it!"
>> CR
>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:06 PM, E.T. wrote:
>>> A little effort and a little bribery with the guide dog will work 
>>> wonders. That is what they are trained for.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the 
>>> world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn 
>>> your mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> On 8/31/2017 11:00 AM, Phil Halton wrote:
 Well, you could go old tech and just ask for help. Honestly, 
 technology has it's limits and sometimes there's just no substitute 
 for a friendly smile and  asking for help. And, it offers certain 
 possibilities not available on your phone.
 Sent from my IPhone
> On Aug 31, 2017, at 1:54 PM, Todor Fassl  wrote:
> 
> I'm going on a camping and rock climbing trip with a group called 
> Adaptive Adventures. Last year, I had some trouble getting lost in 
> the camp grounds. Like if I wanted to get to the bathroom on my own I 
> would always get kind of lost. I have a guide dog but he'd get 
> confused as 

RE: 3D audio experience podcast 6: The comedy club now available

[David & his pack of dogs]

The presenter had no life in his delivery.  It sounded like there were 5 people 
at best as an audience and all in all, very amateurish in content.  

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Yuma Decaux
Sent: August 30, 2017 4:00 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: 3D audio experience podcast 6: The comedy club now available

 

Hi All,

 

Here’s I the coding functer again, with a new exciting podcast on making your 
own 3D audio experience.

 

This one is simulating a blind comedy show and shows some more advanced 
concepts on audio manipulation and states.

 

The article is below:

 

https://www.oseyeris.com/post/3d-game-podcast-6-blind-comedy-club

 

And here is the direct youtube link:

 

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLTWqp6-7XkjWGHnXb03gfylmPz7UPXYH4

 

Again, you can find the demo project in the blog link, and customise it to your 
liking to better understand how it all works.

 

For those who have requested it, I’ve placed the demo sound at the beginning of 
the podcast, so you can skip the tutorial part altogether and go straight for 
the files.

 

Enjoy, and have a great week y’all 

 

 

 

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RE: Face it: Every new Apple technology is a disaster

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With every move forward of technology there is inherent problems.  Every time 
the bank updated their computers years ago, for the first week or so, there 
would be problems.  Even with stores, the common comment was, “We are having 
trouble with our computers.” As for whoever forecasted gloom and doom, if they 
won a million dollars, they’d probably complain it wasn’t enough. Thus, there 
creditably is worthless IMO and, I hope like he... they never go into grief 
counselling or suicide prevention. The fatality rate would shoot up 
drastically. 

 

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I’m excited for this phone either way! 

 

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On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 6:59 PM -0400, "M. Taylor"  > wrote:

Macworld - Tuesday, August 29, 2017 at 4:00 AM
Face it: Every new Apple technology is a disaster
Apple is expected to release a new technology next month so you know what
that means: it's time to worry about how bad it will be.
Writing for Mashable, Jack Morse says if you're not afraid, you will be. You
will be.
That is, of course, a reference to a line the popular movie series Star
Trek. Don't @ me.
"Facial recognition tech is taking over smartphones. Here's why you should
be worried." (Tip o' the antlers to Tibor Csapo.)
There are few things more personal than a face.
A bespoke granite carving of a beloved pet thrown through the plate glass
window of your summer house. A loved one who can recite your genome from
memory. An H-shaped pair of coffins so you and your spouse can hold hands
for all eternity. Your groin. That's about it.
Every wrinkle, blemish, and freckle combine to tell a person's story.
That mole that looks cancerous. The vertical scar running over your left eye
which is a glassy white and a memento of that knife fight in Singapore in
1936. Your gold prosthetic nose. Your face tattoo that says "FREE MUSTACHE
RIDES". This is who you are, Marsha.
Oh, and if smartphone manufactures have their way, that map will also soon
be the preeminent key to your digital life.
At least we won't be misplacing it all the time, amirite?! Ha-ha! Any-hoo,
what's the deal with avocado toast?
Basically, it's a lose-lose situation-albeit one that the smartphone makers
of the world seem all too excited to drag us into.
You will not be surprised to learn that the word "enclave", which is used to
describe the technology Apple currently uses to keep your fingerprint safe
as part of Touch ID and will certainly be used as part of Face ID, does not
appear anywhere in this article.
Companies like Apple, Google, and Qualcomm are charging ahead to make face
scans the new biometric we'll rely on for everything from unlocking phones
to making digital purchases.
And presumably all these companies have the same set of motivations, right?
Like, they're all interested in getting your data and selling to third
parties because that's their business model, right?
This question is never addressed.
Apple is loudly berated for being behind the curve in AI because it won't
pull your data up to the cloud and use it to enhance its results. At the
same time, though, it's lumped in with the group of feckless data dealers
who prefer to think of it as "our" email rather than "your" email.
"Once the always-on device gathers information, it may be available to many
kinds of people, contrary to the user's intentions," Schwartz said. 
"These include external data thieves, who may break into the device or the
data farm where content is stored; or internal employees of the company that
makes the device, who improperly misappropriate customer content; or the
police, by means of a subpoena or search warrant (depending on what the
police are demanding).
Which company has the better track record on these? Biometric data on an
iPhone is stored in the enclave which is paired with the sensor it validates
against. Nothing is stored in a data farm. Also, Apple stood up to the FBI
when it wanted to the unlock the phone of a terrorist. Pretty sure they'll
probably stand up for you.
None of this is worth mentioning, though. We are to presume all these
companies equally want eat your delicious face data.
"Absolutely people should be concerned," said Schwartz. "What else is the
company going to be doing with the face [scan]?"
Apple? Nothing. They don't have it.
Does this matter to you now? Maybe, maybe not. But it probably will when
someone drains your bank account using nothing more than a photo they pulled
off your Instagram account.
Remember when the same kind of hacking 

RE: Recomendations for books

[David & his pack of dogs]

Is there a book for the Apple 4th generation, if so, is it in Mp3 format?  

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On Behalf Of Janet Ingber
Sent: August 27, 2017 2:52 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Recomendations for books

Hi Andy,

My best advice is to do a little at a time.  This is a nice list and there are 
many knowledgeable people on it.

Best,
Janet
> On Aug 27, 2017, at 2:58 PM, Andy  wrote:
> 
> Hi Janet.
> 
> getting a message from you! I'm thrilled to bits.
> 
> 
> As I said in my message, I'm just loving your book.  It's helping me loads 
> and without it, my macbook pro would still be sitting like my lovely 27in 
> Imack, after almost 2 years.
> 
> It's very difficult for a Windows user to adjust to this new platform, but at 
> times, it all sounds very simple, then I fall down a big hole.
> 
> I've been listening and working with your book since Friday afternoon and now 
> it's nearly bed-time on sunday  night.
> 
> I've achieved loads and I some how no longer fear this buitiful macbook pro. 
> My confidence is growing and I'm really feeling, for the first time in 
> months, that I'm achieving something positive.
> 
> I don't fear the future any more, but my arthritic fingers are now screaming 
> at me! Ha.
> 
> Thanks very much for the other book.  Both will keep me busy all winter, here 
> in Scotland, where I don't get out too much over the winter months.
> 
> Thanks again.
> 
> Very best wishes.
> 
> Andy.
> From Scotland with Love.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Janet Ingber" 
> 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2017 6:47 PM
> Subject: Re: Recomendations for books
> 
> 
> Hi Andy,
> 
> Glad you like my book and are finding it helpful.
> 
> The iPhone book has been updated by Anna.  It’s from National Braille Press. 
> Here is the link:
> http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/IPHONE-IOS10.html
> 
> Best,
> Janet
> 
> 
>> On Aug 27, 2017, at 12:10 PM, Andy  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all.
>> 
>> In the past I've purchased 2 great books.  They may have been from either, 
>> the National Braille Press or American Printhouse for the Blind.  I can no 
>> longer rember.
>> 
>> 
>> The first book concerned my Iphone and was titled:
>> Getting Started with the iPhoneGetting Started with the iPhone An 
>> Introduction for Blind Users By Anna Dresner and Dean Martineau.
>> 
>> This was a great book and helped me a lot, back when I was using my Iphone 
>> 4s.
>> 
>> I've since upgraded to the Iphone 6s and was wondering if there was a more 
>> recent title by these two authours which would be more appropriate for the 
>> Iphone 6s and subsequent upgrades to the operating system, since then.
>> 
>> My second book, which I'm studying at the moment is also a fantastic book. 
>> It concerns My Imac and my Macbook pro and is titled:
>> 
>> Janet Ingber - Everything You Need to Know to Use the Mac
>> 
>> 
>> I'm loving this book so much that I hunger for more from this particular 
>> author.
>> 
>> If anyone knows a link where I can purchase such titles, as txt documents, 
>> I'd be delighted to know.
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Very best wishes.
>> Andy.
>> From Scotland with Love.
>> 
>> 
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RE: Which audio book player to use?

[David & his pack of dogs]

I personally use VLC as my video and audio player. The audio is a lot clearer 
than other audio players. The video is crisper as well, but, that is a mute 
point if one is blind.

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Sent: August 26, 2017 8:04 AM
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Subject: Which audio book player to use?

Hi good people.
When i used Android a short while there was an app called ”smart audio book 
player” that looked very nice and promising. I wonder what is the best audio 
book player for iOs that can be used with audio books in .mp3 format and that 
can be used even outside the US? The reason for the last question is that i 
live in Sweden and i don’t think we can use apps like Bard Mobile there.
/Krister

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RE: One mistake people make using public WiFi, USA Today

[David & his pack of dogs]

What's a burner?  

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On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: August 20, 2017 5:53 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: One mistake people make using public WiFi, USA Today

Janina, whole heartedly agree.  I’m going to go to Defcon next near and already 
talking to friends about going I’m told not to use any of these services.  In 
fact I should bring a burner phone and make sure everything is encrypted.  This 
sort of policy though maybe minus the burner phone should be the norm.  You 
never know there could be some knuckle head, like me for example, the next room 
over with a WiFi capturing device grabbing everything out of the air and 
capturing it for what ever use you wish.  I have such a box and use it for 
demonstrating how shady public WiFi can be.  You can take this box to a 
Starbucks and then with in minutes start grabbing passwords, emails, financial 
information and anything people are browsing right out of the air.  I have a 
hook in to Amazon AWS which then spins up enough virtual machines to crack some 
ciphers or if you reverse things a bit you can direct attack encrypted WiFi 
networks and many times break them open.
Now to be fair, the GSM protocols have been cracked but it’s not 
trivial to do.  Janina’s advice is very sound use your cellular connection and 
ideally with a VPN on top.  Then you don’t have to worry about snoopers nearly 
as much.  Some of these things also become even more important when traveling 
over seas.  If traveling to Russia for example you might just want to leave 
your devices at home.  China is also one where you need to think and again 
possibly use a burner or leave the devices home.  Depends on the value of the 
data you host.



> On Aug 19, 2017, at 3:00 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Or, better still, with an unlimited data plan from your telco you can 
> just skip the wifi and stay with your telco.
> 
> I've been doing this at conferences I attend. I have a lot less 
> trouble than my colleagues who are struggling with conference wifi and 
> its vagaries.
> 
> Janina
> 
> M. Taylor writes:
>> One mistake people make using public Wi-Fi Kim Komando , Special for 
>> USA TODAY Modern Greyhound buses offer free WiFi, a feature the 
>> company hopes will attract younger travelers. (Photo: Greyhound) If 
>> I've said it once, I've said it a thousand times: Avoid doing 
>> anything you would not want anyone in the world to know on public 
>> Wi-Fi. You may think you're safe in that busy café or big-name hotel, 
>> but public Wi-Fi is a major liability. It doesn't matter how safe the 
>> connection seems to be; your computer is vulnerable to hackers 
>> because you have no idea who is really in charge of that router or 
>> who has access to it and all the data that passes through it. 
>> Knowledge is power. Learn how crooks attack your computer on public 
>> Wi-Fi. There are lots of ways to protect yourself, of course. Your 
>> best defense is a virtual private network (VPN), which can prevent 
>> nosy strangers from snooping on your browser. You can also employ the 
>> usual firewalls and antivirus software to defend your computer from 
>> hackers and malware. Learn more about VPNs and safe browsing on 
>> public WiFi. Even the best security systems have their weaknesses, 
>> and you have likely never heard of this one: File sharing on a public 
>> network can expose your computer to data thieves. This is a scary 
>> problem because you may not even realize that you're sharing files. 
>> But if your computer is on the wrong setting, you may attract any 
>> number of cyber-criminals. So how do you make sure your computer 
>> isn't leaking information by accident? File sharing is very handy, 
>> especially for groups of people. Whether you're using iCloud, 
>> Dropbox, or Google Drive, file sharing allows a large team to work on 
>> a single project at once, or families to browse digital photo albums, 
>> or data specialists to organize large batches of information. This is 
>> very convenient, as long as you're on your own secure network. But if 
>> you're sharing files on public Wi-Fi, your folders may be accessible 
>> to anyone connected to the same public network. In other words, file 
>> sharing automatically exposes your computer and everything you intend 
>> to share. Your vacation photos may end up in the wrong hands, and so 
>> could your contracts, spreadsheets, and tax information. In fact, you 
>> don't have to be a hacker to take advantage of shared folders. Anyone 
>> who looks around their network folders can instantly run a search and 
>> find unguarded files. It works the other way around too. An attacker 
>> can also set up a shared folder with malicious files. You may stumble 
>> into the mysterious folder and think, "Wait a minute, where did this 
>> come from? Then 

RE: 7 drastic changes coming to your iPhone with iOS 11 - CNET

[David & his pack of dogs]

Simon, I remember a guide dog trainer at one of the N Y schools admitted to 
taking the blind fold off when he got scared because he could not see anything. 
Another trainer from another guide dog school  said she had a hard time driving 
home after taking the blind fold or night shade as they call it off, because 
her brain was now flooded with information and was basically, overloaded. 
Whether the sighted wearing a blind fold helps or not I cannot say.  What I can 
say is, a sighted person told me loosing her sight terrifies her. As you said, 
the sighted can take off a blind fold and regain their sight, we cannot regain 
our sight. 

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of E.T.
Sent: August 9, 2017 7:44 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: 7 drastic changes coming to your iPhone with iOS 11 - CNET

So we go back to what I said earlier. We share the same universe, so we 
just learn to co-exist. Its a simple concept for the most part.

 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
   "God for you is where you sweep away all the
   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 8/9/2017 1:57 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
> Just to add to this,
>
>  Handing a sighted person a blindfold to let them experience what being blind 
> is like is fine and lets them wear a blindfold and walk in to stuff. However 
> they take the blind fold off and what they just did disappears from their 
> memorys.
>
> I can't get my sighted work colleagues of which there are 12 immediate  to 
> use voiceover or jaws for windows machines.
>
>  Yet if they want assistance with a mac or IOS issue they can't figure 
> out I'm the one that gets the call.
>
>  Wearing a blind fold is crap as they can take it off It might make 
> the warer feel good about themselves but they can't understand the real life 
> changes that may need to be made to live without sight.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
> Sent: Tuesday, 8 August 2017 10:06 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: 7 drastic changes coming to your iPhone with iOS 11 - 
> CNET
>
> Kawal,
> That is a novel idea. Hand a sighted person the blindfold and then?
> It does not work.
>
> You are looking in the wrong place. I know someone who was born blind and 
> he has absolutely no idea what the sighted world is like. All that matters to 
> him is that he knows how to co-exist in it.
>
> Like you said the other day... A single tap for "them" is a double tap 
> for us. What more do you want?
>
>
>  From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>"God for you is where you sweep away all the
>mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>
> On 8/7/2017 2:30 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
>> One thing I will say about this, we have been talking from all prospectives 
>> about using the I phone etc.
>>
>> As many of you know, I work and serve the blind community in my professional 
>> capacity.  There is a project called Online today, and they go in to 
>> people's homes and teach people how to use access Technology.  The 
>> organisation that I work for are in the business of trying to rebuild 
>> people's lives again.  So it's not always about blind users needing to 
>> understand the sighted world.  Sometimes it's about the sighted needing to 
>> know how to live in the blind world.
>>
>> I don't think people have any right to assume that I have been missing 
>> something on the use of these devices but rather that I wanted to know both 
>> sides of the coin.  If I had time i would install the beta but as it is, I 
>> don't and only have time on and off to read the e-mails on this list due to 
>> my work load.  I can go without weeks reading e-mails and most of the time I 
>> end up deleting a lot of stuff just to keep up with what's is going on.
>> Some times I wonder what is the point of me being on this list but I try to 
>> keep up as much as possible.  I have every intention of getting the next I 
>> phone 8.  I don't often read manuals but play with devices and learn that 
>> way as I am rather more of a hands on person and only read manuals as a last 
>> resort.  I'd much rather hear a demo of how the device was being used.  Some 
>> of you will remember me using the Window phones and I never read the 
>> manuals, it was listening to podcasts that helped me get to know the devices 
>> so well.
>>
>> At least I have read your comments and thanks for those.
>>
>> Kawal.
>>
>> On 7 Aug 2017, at 17:50, gary-melconian  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Totally agree with these points. The more perspective we hav on how sighted 
>>> do 

RE: Drones and Ubers?

[David & his pack of dogs]

Thanks for the update. Someone was amazed that with all the tourism helicopters 
flying back and forth over Niagara Falls, that there were no fatalities.  They 
referred to it as a swarm of bees.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: August 2, 2017 11:22 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Drones and Ubers?

 

So the drone I use for the primary test platform can fly miles from the launch 
site.  You get 28 minutes of flight time per charge with a forward speed of 
about 45 MPH if you’re full pitch forward.  Range from the remote with video 
feed is about 5 miles with the antennas I’m using presently.

I have gone hunting in Florida using the drone system with a 
FLIR (forward looking infrared) for wild bore. 

 

The thing about passenger planes is largely propaganda because 
our government wants to create fear around drones so they maintain the upper 
hand.  There have been cases of folks flying to closely to airlines and police 
helicopters but this is pretty few and far between and requires really high end 
gear or home made gear.

 

 

 

On Aug 2, 2017, at 1:28 PM, David & his pack of dogs <myguidedo...@gmail.com 
<mailto:myguidedo...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Some how I got a catalog that listed the prices of drones.  Since I operate a 
dog training business.  I thought, too bad I don’t have good vision, I could 
just sit in the van and watch the dogs running through the bush. They had a 
servalence drone listed that was good up to 1000 feet.  Wonder if it would work 
on the same principle as the camera on the Iphone with face detection? Back to 
the subject line, It doesn’t surprise me that drones are killing the airline 
industry.  In some ways, I heard they are endangering the passenger planes as 
well. 

 

From:  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
macvisionaries@googlegroups.com[ <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: August 2, 2017 9:57 AM
To:  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: scheduling an Uber ride?

 

Lol because a drone can’t carry my heavy back side from place to place.

 

The drone industry though is killing the helicopter business.  No more need for 
expensive flights for arial photography and surveying etc.

 

I’m going to try it through uber next time the option is available.

 

On Aug 2, 2017, at 12:54 PM, David & his pack of dogs < 
<mailto:myguidedo...@gmail.com> myguidedo...@gmail.com> wrote:

 

Why not just use a drone to do all these pickups and sit at home with the 
alligators?  LOL.  

 

From:  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
macvisionaries@googlegroups.com[ <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: August 2, 2017 9:46 AM
To:  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: scheduling an Uber ride?

 

Gary, this time of year it’s all about the boat.

 

And any time you head on out and we’ll have fun.  Pick up Brother Warren and 
our friend from Denver on the way.

 

 

On Aug 2, 2017, at 12:43 PM, gary-melconian < <mailto:gmelconian...@gmail.com> 
gmelconian...@gmail.com> wrote:

 

Scott, I envy  you. One of these days we’re going to have to take a helicopter 
or plane ride in one of these toys of yours LOL.  

 

From:  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
macvisionaries@googlegroups.com[ <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Wednesday, August 2, 2017 9:09 AM
To:  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: scheduling an Uber ride?

 

I used to use helicopters to get around south Florida but that’s because we had 
several aviation companies as customers.  Have been thinking about it for my 
commute from where I live in the woods to Boston everyday though.

 

On Aug 2, 2017, at 12:01 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli < 
<mailto:sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com> sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com> wrote:

 

Oh um no thanks!

 

Sarai D Bucciarelli  <http://www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli> 
www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli

 

From:  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
macvisionaries@googlegroups.com[ <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Wednesday, August 2, 2017 9:58 AM
To:  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: scheduling an Uber ride?

 

You can Uber a helicopter now. I want to try this but haven’t yet.

 

On Aug 2, 2017, at 10:27 AM, Sarai Bucciarelli < 
<mailto:sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com> s

RE: Drones and Ubers?

[David & his pack of dogs]

Some how I got a catalog that listed the prices of drones.  Since I operate a 
dog training business.  I thought, too bad I don’t have good vision, I could 
just sit in the van and watch the dogs running through the bush. They had a 
servalence drone listed that was good up to 1000 feet.  Wonder if it would work 
on the same principle as the camera on the Iphone with face detection? Back to 
the subject line, It doesn’t surprise me that drones are killing the airline 
industry.  In some ways, I heard they are endangering the passenger planes as 
well. 

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: August 2, 2017 9:57 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: scheduling an Uber ride?

 

Lol because a drone can’t carry my heavy back side from place to place.

 

The drone industry though is killing the helicopter business.  No more need for 
expensive flights for arial photography and surveying etc.

 

I’m going to try it through uber next time the option is available.

 

On Aug 2, 2017, at 12:54 PM, David & his pack of dogs <myguidedo...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

 

Why not just use a drone to do all these pickups and sit at home with the 
alligators?  LOL.  

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>  
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: August 2, 2017 9:46 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: scheduling an Uber ride?

 

Gary, this time of year it’s all about the boat.

 

And any time you head on out and we’ll have fun.  Pick up Brother Warren and 
our friend from Denver on the way.

 

 

On Aug 2, 2017, at 12:43 PM, gary-melconian < <mailto:gmelconian...@gmail.com> 
gmelconian...@gmail.com> wrote:

 

Scott, I envy  you. One of these days we’re going to have to take a helicopter 
or plane ride in one of these toys of yours LOL.  

 

From:  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
macvisionaries@googlegroups.com[ <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Wednesday, August 2, 2017 9:09 AM
To:  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: scheduling an Uber ride?

 

I used to use helicopters to get around south Florida but that’s because we had 
several aviation companies as customers.  Have been thinking about it for my 
commute from where I live in the woods to Boston everyday though.

 

On Aug 2, 2017, at 12:01 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli < 
<mailto:sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com> sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com> wrote:

 

Oh um no thanks!

 

Sarai D Bucciarelli  <http://www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli> 
www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli

 

From:  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
macvisionaries@googlegroups.com[ <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Wednesday, August 2, 2017 9:58 AM
To:  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: scheduling an Uber ride?

 

You can Uber a helicopter now. I want to try this but haven’t yet.

 

On Aug 2, 2017, at 10:27 AM, Sarai Bucciarelli < 
<mailto:sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com> sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com> wrote:

 

Nope, no luck.

On a not so fun note, just discovered the city where my vet is located has 
blocked Uber. I had to find another ride home. Not fun!

 

Sarai D Bucciarelli  <http://www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli> 
www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli

 

From:  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
macvisionaries@googlegroups.com[ <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Eileen Scrivani
Sent: Tuesday, August 1, 2017 11:23 PM
To:  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: scheduling an Uber ride?

 

Again, once you hear the tipping button, swipe with one finger either to the 
right or left until you hear it say, “schedule in advance.” If you swipe in one 
direction and don’t hear it then swipe back in the opposite direction.

 

Have you kept the app updated? Perhaps you might want to check in the app store 
to see if there are any updates.

 

Eileen

 

 

From: Sarai Bucciarelli 

Sent: Tuesday, August 1, 2017 11:19 PM

To:  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com

Subject: Re: scheduling an Uber ride?

 

Still no luck. The only thing I see is a tipping button. I have looked 
everywhere and I cannot find it. I was told we do have it. I even logged off 
and back on to the app. Also, how do you delete places were you've been? My 
feed is getting clogged up places that I've traveled that I do not want to save 
his favorite

RE: scheduling an Uber ride?

[David & his pack of dogs]

Why not just use a drone to do all these pickups and sit at home with the 
alligators?  LOL.  

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: August 2, 2017 9:46 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: scheduling an Uber ride?

 

Gary, this time of year it’s all about the boat.

 

And any time you head on out and we’ll have fun.  Pick up Brother Warren and 
our friend from Denver on the way.

 

 

On Aug 2, 2017, at 12:43 PM, gary-melconian  > wrote:

 

Scott, I envy  you. One of these days we’re going to have to take a helicopter 
or plane ride in one of these toys of yours LOL.  

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com   
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Wednesday, August 2, 2017 9:09 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: scheduling an Uber ride?

 

I used to use helicopters to get around south Florida but that’s because we had 
several aviation companies as customers.  Have been thinking about it for my 
commute from where I live in the woods to Boston everyday though.

 

On Aug 2, 2017, at 12:01 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli < 
 sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com> wrote:

 

Oh um no thanks!

 

Sarai D Bucciarelli   
www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli

 

From:   
macvisionaries@googlegroups.com[  
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Wednesday, August 2, 2017 9:58 AM
To:   macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: scheduling an Uber ride?

 

You can Uber a helicopter now. I want to try this but haven’t yet.

 

On Aug 2, 2017, at 10:27 AM, Sarai Bucciarelli < 
 sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com> wrote:

 

Nope, no luck.

On a not so fun note, just discovered the city where my vet is located has 
blocked Uber. I had to find another ride home. Not fun!

 

Sarai D Bucciarelli   
www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli

 

From:   
macvisionaries@googlegroups.com[  
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Eileen Scrivani
Sent: Tuesday, August 1, 2017 11:23 PM
To:   macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: scheduling an Uber ride?

 

Again, once you hear the tipping button, swipe with one finger either to the 
right or left until you hear it say, “schedule in advance.” If you swipe in one 
direction and don’t hear it then swipe back in the opposite direction.

 

Have you kept the app updated? Perhaps you might want to check in the app store 
to see if there are any updates.

 

Eileen

 

 

From: Sarai Bucciarelli 

Sent: Tuesday, August 1, 2017 11:19 PM

To:   macvisionaries@googlegroups.com

Subject: Re: scheduling an Uber ride?

 

Still no luck. The only thing I see is a tipping button. I have looked 
everywhere and I cannot find it. I was told we do have it. I even logged off 
and back on to the app. Also, how do you delete places were you've been? My 
feed is getting clogged up places that I've traveled that I do not want to save 
his favorites.

Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 1, 2017, at 7:37 PM, Jenine Stanley <  
dragonwalke...@gmail.com> wrote:

Yep, this is fairly easy to set up. Keep in mind that it’s a 15 minute span 
rather than an exact time. I believe you also get a notification just before 
the 15 minutes starts and then another when you have a driver.  

 

I’ve only done this once with Uber and haven’t tried it on Lyft yet though we 
do have it here, and it worked well.

On Aug 1, 2017, at 8:31 PM, Eileen Scrivani <  
etscriv...@verizon.net> wrote:

 

Sarai, 

 

I just used this last week and it worked like a charm. Near the bottom of the 
screen, somewhere above the Home button, is a button that says “schedule a ride 
in advance.” If you don’t locate it then swipe either right or left until you 
hear it say just that and then double tap the button.

 

On the following screen, you can change the date of the ride if it isn’t the 
current date. Then go down a bit and there are picker buttons to select 
hour/minutes and either AM/PM. Once you have the date of your ride then move 
your finger near the bottom of the screen, probably just above the Home button 
again and double tap to “set the date.”

 

On the following screen you will set your pick up location and destination.

 

Once you get the address set the next screen for type of Uber ride you want 
will come 

RE: Editing videos on an Apple 4th generation?

[David & his pack of dogs]

Can that be done using an IPhone, though?  

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Kliphton Miller
Sent: July 26, 2017 12:31 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Editing videos on an Apple 4th generation?

 

I think your asking to much!lol.  Quick time works great, and so does hand 
break.  Both are free.

Are you testing an apple beta?  want to discuss bugs with other testers?  Then 
come join a friendly, helpful, laid back community where we can squash these 
bugs together, and report them to apple. Subscribe here
public-beta-users+subscr...@groups.io 
<mailto:public-beta-users+subscr...@groups.io> 
Because of the non disclosure agreement, I have to say if your not a beta 
tester, please don’t join the group.

On Jul 25, 2017, at 11:41 PM, David & his pack of dogs <myguidedo...@gmail.com 
<mailto:myguidedo...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

If a video is shot using an IPhone 6S plus, can it then be edited on a 4th 
generation Apple TV?  Or, am I wanting too much.  If not, what app would y’all 
suggest.  

 

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RE: turning speech on or off on Apple TV 4th Gen?

[David & his pack of dogs]

I have been in that situation many times and think, why did I phone tech 
support.  I could have just rebooted it myself. Especially after being on hold 
for 10 or more minutes before even talking to tech support.   Smile.  

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: July 26, 2017 8:12 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: turning speech on or off on Apple TV 4th Gen?

Yeah, I know.  But still ... :)
> On Jul 26, 2017, at 10:09 AM, David & his pack of dogs 
> <myguidedo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> News flash, often what a tech suggests is just rebooting the system.  
> Simplistic?  Yes.  But, often effective.  Smile.  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: July 26, 2017 7:58 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: turning speech on or off on Apple TV 4th Gen?
> 
> And of course, that did the trick.  There really ought to be an easier 
> solution to this problem, though.  I think I will send an email to Apple 
> accessibility.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On Jul 26, 2017, at 9:32 AM, David & his pack of dogs 
>> <myguidedo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I was just going to suggest that.  Just reboot the system sometimes that 
>> rectifies the problem.  
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>> Sent: July 26, 2017 7:21 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: turning speech on or off on Apple TV 4th Gen?
>> 
>> That controls VO, not speech.  Sounds like I may just need to unplug and 
>> re-power up the Apple TV.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Jul 26, 2017, at 4:36 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi donna,
>>> 
>>> Triple click the top left button,
>>> That's the top of the 3 single round buttons Good luck and let us 
>>> know how you et on.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>>> Sent: Wednesday, 26 July 2017 2:51 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: turning speech on or off on Apple TV 4th Gen?
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I have VO on on my Apple TV, but am getting no speech.  Anyone know how to 
>>> turn on speech? Using Siri is not helping.
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
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RE: turning speech on or off on Apple TV 4th Gen?

[David & his pack of dogs]

News flash, often what a tech suggests is just rebooting the system.  
Simplistic?  Yes.  But, often effective.  Smile.  

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: July 26, 2017 7:58 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: turning speech on or off on Apple TV 4th Gen?

And of course, that did the trick.  There really ought to be an easier solution 
to this problem, though.  I think I will send an email to Apple accessibility.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Jul 26, 2017, at 9:32 AM, David & his pack of dogs 
> <myguidedo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I was just going to suggest that.  Just reboot the system sometimes that 
> rectifies the problem.  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: July 26, 2017 7:21 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: turning speech on or off on Apple TV 4th Gen?
> 
> That controls VO, not speech.  Sounds like I may just need to unplug and 
> re-power up the Apple TV.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Jul 26, 2017, at 4:36 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi donna,
>> 
>> Triple click the top left button,
>> That's the top of the 3 single round buttons Good luck and let us 
>> know how you et on.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>> Sent: Wednesday, 26 July 2017 2:51 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: turning speech on or off on Apple TV 4th Gen?
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I have VO on on my Apple TV, but am getting no speech.  Anyone know how to 
>> turn on speech? Using Siri is not helping.
>> TIA,
>> Donna
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RE: turning speech on or off on Apple TV 4th Gen?

[David & his pack of dogs]

I was just going to suggest that.  Just reboot the system sometimes that 
rectifies the problem.  

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: July 26, 2017 7:21 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: turning speech on or off on Apple TV 4th Gen?

That controls VO, not speech.  Sounds like I may just need to unplug and 
re-power up the Apple TV.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Jul 26, 2017, at 4:36 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi donna,
> 
> Triple click the top left button,
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Editing videos on an Apple 4th generation?

[David & his pack of dogs]

If a video is shot using an IPhone 6S plus, can it then be edited on a 4th
generation Apple TV?  Or, am I wanting too much.  If not, what app would
y'all suggest.  

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RE: Which virtual machine software is accessible?

[David & his pack of dogs]

I was talking to a windows user.  He brought up a good point.  There is a 
difference between something being accessible and usable.  Usable, they can use 
the functions on a computer that they want not necessarily every single feature 
on the computer.  Accessible, they want to be able to use or, in our case, 
access every feature. This was mentioned because I have no problem accessing an 
app.  Whereas another blind person does. It is an app that tells you gas prices 
and where the cheapest gas is, in the town you are in or going too.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: July 20, 2017 7:10 AM
To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via 
Subject: Re: Which virtual machine software is accessible?

I’ve been able to copy and move images between machines since VM Fusion version 
3, we’re on 8.5.8 now I believe and it’s worked consistently on all the 
in-between versions.

This is the case for any virtualization software.  There can be issues though 
Phil is correct but if you do it carefully things should work fine.



> On Jul 20, 2017, at 9:31 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
> Simon, you're talking about virtual box. That maybe so but I was talking 
> about VM fusion. Maybe things of changed and later versions of fusion but 
> when I try to do that it blew out all the licensing including the OS and all 
> of the software.
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
> 
> 
>> On Jul 20, 2017, at 6:47 AM, Michael Marshall  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> is Fusion the only one that works with VO? i know Parallels did not last 
>> time i tested.
>> 
>>> On 20 Jul 2017, at 8:12 pm, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> But you can copy and paste the vm machine files on to another machine and 
>>> it works fine.
>>> 
>>> I've been doing this with virtual box at work, makes life a lot easier to 
>>> create one machine and move it to multiple mac machines 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Phil Halton
>>> Sent: Wednesday, 19 July 2017 4:50 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Which virtual machine software is accessible?
>>> 
>>> Nickus, the short answer is no. The virtual machine is tied to the hardware 
>>> signature of the device it was first installed on. This is done to control 
>>> licenses etc. I tried running a VM on another machine once and all the 
>>> licensed software failed requiring new licensing. This meant a new license 
>>> for the operating system as well as for the Jaws synthesizer software. Also 
>>> office suite required relicensing. The only way to run a VM on another 
>>> machine that I am aware of is through the import process. When first 
>>> opening the virtual machine into a new machine, virtual machine will ask if 
>>> you want to move or copy the VM. If you select move, all the licensing is 
>>> transferred over and will  only now work on that new machine. If you select 
>>> copy you will get just that, a copy, but it will not run properly on the 
>>> new machine without relicensing. Also, don't forget, the VM can  grow to in 
>>> the neighborhood of 30 to 60 GB. And I don't know if you have that kind of 
>>> iCloud storage account, but I sure don't. In fact I have set my Time 
>>> Machine to exclude that particular virtual machine folder so as not to 
>>> clutter up my disk.  Instead I simply manually copy the VM off onto a 
>>> storage disk
>>> 
>>> Sent from my IPhone
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jul 18, 2017, at 11:05 AM, Scott Granados  
 wrote:
 
 You can share images and copy then but I don’t think you can run them in 
 parallel.
 
> On Jul 18, 2017, at 11:03 AM, Nickus de Vos  wrote:
> 
> If using VMware to create a virtual machine it would be stored in my 
> documents folder which gets synced up to iCloud. Would I then be able to 
> run the virtual machine on both my iMac and Macbook since iCloud will 
> sync it to both?
> 
> I guess I would just have to install VMware on both machines?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Nickus 
>> On 17 Jul 2017, at 17:25, Scott Granados  wr
>> 
>> +1 on VM fusion.  I hear parallels has recently become accessible but no 
>> idea first hand.  VM Fusion does everything I need and I’m a heavy user 
>> of parallelization software.
>> 
>>> On Jul 17, 2017, at 2:33 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi  
>>> 
>>> The most accessible VM software is vm Fusion but there is a price for 
>>> it.
>>> 
>>> If you are only going to use the windows machine only once an a while 
>>> then I'd recommend eiter Virtual box which is free but not as VO 
>>> friendly as fusion,
>>> 

RE: Seeing AI app from Microsoft

[David & his pack of dogs]

I suppose it depends on which side of the fence one is on.  Some women marry 
their financial plan and men marry to get a maid. Maybe we should ask SIRI her 
opinion?  LOL.   

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Simon Fogarty
Sent: July 16, 2017 11:46 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Seeing AI app from Microsoft

 

is this possibly 18 years worth of stress from being married?

 

You said your wife had aged 6 years from being married to you?

 

This works both ways!

 

 

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>  
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David & his pack of dogs
Sent: Sunday, 16 July 2017 11:45 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Seeing AI app from Microsoft

 

They must work on its accuracy.  It had me 18 years older then I really am and 
my wife 6 years older.  I am listed as a 76 years young man with grey hair and 
a beard.  I’m greying at the temples but, only 58 years young.  It is still a 
good app, though.  Just question its accuracy in facial recognition.  

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>  
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
Sent: July 15, 2017 1:29 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Seeing AI app from Microsoft

 

Hi,

 

I don't believe that it's available in the UK yet.  Below is pasted from the 
description in the Canada Store.

 

Seeing AI is a free app that narrates the world around you. Designed for the 
blind and low vision community, this ongoing research project harnesses the 
power of AI to open up the visual world and describe nearby people, text, and 
objects. Optimized for use with VoiceOver, the app enables you to recognize:  • 
 Short Text - Speaks text as soon as it appears in front of the camera.  •  
   Documents - Provides audio guidance to capture a printed page, and 
recognizes the text, along with its original formatting.  • Products - Scans 
barcodes, using audio beeps to guide you; hear the name, and package 
information when available. (works with iPhone 6 and later) •   People 
- Saves people’s faces so you can recognize them, and get an estimate of their 
age, gender, and emotions.  •   Scenes (early preview) - Hear an overall 
description of the scene captured.  •  Images in other apps - Just tap “Share” 
and “Recognize with Seeing AI” to describe images from Mail, Photos, Twitter, 
and more.  Seeing AI is built to help you achieve more by leveraging the power 
of the cloud and artificial intelligence. As the research progresses, more 
channels may be added.  Visit http://SeeingAI.com for more details and 
instructional videos.  Available in the U.S., Canada, India, Hong Kong, New 
Zealand, Singapore. Coming soon to more countries.  Languages supported – 
English  Supported on iPhone 5C, 5S and later; best performance with iPhone 6S 
and later models. Questions, feedback or feature requests? Email us at seeingai 
@ microsoft.com <http://microsoft.com> .

 

Later...

 

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada 

 

On Jul 15, 2017, at 14:22, Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com 
<mailto:kgli...@icloud.com> > wrote:

 

I can't find it in the App store in the UK.  Please tell me what you put in to 
get it.

Kawal.

On 15 Jul 2017, at 20:55, David & his pack of dogs <myguidedo...@gmail.com 
<mailto:myguidedo...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I loaded the app on my IPhone and took a picture of my wife. Being married to 
me has aged her by 6 years, according to the app. It had her age 6 years older 
then she really is.  Well, it is good for a laugh. All joking aside, the app 
works for people shots and does recognize dogs as not people, I took a picture 
of our Husky X.  I would recommend it, and have sent the YouTube link to people 
in Canada and New Zealand.  

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
Sent: July 15, 2017 12:22 PM
To: Mark Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> >; Macvisionaries 
<macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >
Cc: guidingp...@blueyonder.co.uk <mailto:guidingp...@blueyonder.co.uk> 
Subject: Seeing AI app from Microsoft

https://youtu.be/bqeQByqf_f8


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RE: Seeing AI app from Microsoft

[David & his pack of dogs]

They must work on its accuracy.  It had me 18 years older then I really am and 
my wife 6 years older.  I am listed as a 76 years young man with grey hair and 
a beard.  I’m greying at the temples but, only 58 years young.  It is still a 
good app, though.  Just question its accuracy in facial recognition.  

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
Sent: July 15, 2017 1:29 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeing AI app from Microsoft

 

Hi,

 

I don't believe that it's available in the UK yet.  Below is pasted from the 
description in the Canada Store.

 

Seeing AI is a free app that narrates the world around you. Designed for the 
blind and low vision community, this ongoing research project harnesses the 
power of AI to open up the visual world and describe nearby people, text, and 
objects. Optimized for use with VoiceOver, the app enables you to recognize:  • 
 Short Text - Speaks text as soon as it appears in front of the camera.  •  
   Documents - Provides audio guidance to capture a printed page, and 
recognizes the text, along with its original formatting.  • Products - Scans 
barcodes, using audio beeps to guide you; hear the name, and package 
information when available. (works with iPhone 6 and later) •   People 
- Saves people’s faces so you can recognize them, and get an estimate of their 
age, gender, and emotions.  •   Scenes (early preview) - Hear an overall 
description of the scene captured.  •  Images in other apps - Just tap “Share” 
and “Recognize with Seeing AI” to describe images from Mail, Photos, Twitter, 
and more.  Seeing AI is built to help you achieve more by leveraging the power 
of the cloud and artificial intelligence. As the research progresses, more 
channels may be added.  Visit http://SeeingAI.com for more details and 
instructional videos.  Available in the U.S., Canada, India, Hong Kong, New 
Zealand, Singapore. Coming soon to more countries.  Languages supported – 
English  Supported on iPhone 5C, 5S and later; best performance with iPhone 6S 
and later models. Questions, feedback or feature requests? Email us at seeingai 
@ microsoft.com <http://microsoft.com> .

 

Later...

 

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada 

 

On Jul 15, 2017, at 14:22, Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com 
<mailto:kgli...@icloud.com> > wrote:

 

I can't find it in the App store in the UK.  Please tell me what you put in to 
get it.

Kawal.



On 15 Jul 2017, at 20:55, David & his pack of dogs <myguidedo...@gmail.com 
<mailto:myguidedo...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I loaded the app on my IPhone and took a picture of my wife. Being married to 
me has aged her by 6 years, according to the app. It had her age 6 years older 
then she really is.  Well, it is good for a laugh. All joking aside, the app 
works for people shots and does recognize dogs as not people, I took a picture 
of our Husky X.  I would recommend it, and have sent the YouTube link to people 
in Canada and New Zealand.  

-Original Message-
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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
Sent: July 15, 2017 12:22 PM
To: Mark Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> >; Macvisionaries 
<macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >
Cc: guidingp...@blueyonder.co.uk
Subject: Seeing AI app from Microsoft

https://youtu.be/bqeQByqf_f8


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RE: Seeing AI app from Microsoft

[David & his pack of dogs]

I loaded the app on my IPhone and took a picture of my wife. Being married to 
me has aged her by 6 years, according to the app. It had her age 6 years older 
then she really is.  Well, it is good for a laugh. All joking aside, the app 
works for people shots and does recognize dogs as not people, I took a picture 
of our Husky X.  I would recommend it, and have sent the YouTube link to people 
in Canada and New Zealand.  

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RE: Editing from an IPhone?

[David & his pack of dogs]

I have seen the share icon on my IPhone when looking at a website and I want to 
make a shortcut to a link.  But, never thought it could be used for sharing 
videos. All this is new to me and I am stuck in the middle.  As the visually 
challenged people I know, don’t do video, their sighted friends do it for them, 
and the sighted, would rather do it for me as V O or any windows screen reader 
is too foreign to them and they can’t be bothered or don’t know how to teach 
me.

 

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On Behalf Of Jonathan Cohn
Sent: July 15, 2017 8:01 AM
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Subject: Re: Editing from an IPhone?

 

I have no idea on a Windows platform. On a new macintosh, when you log your 
iPhone into the computer both iTunes and Photos applicationsopen  and photos 
get transferred to the photo app and ApPs, ringtones, music and movies get 
transferred to iTunes.  There is also the possibility that your movies are 
saved onto iCloud, which you can get a Windows plugin for, that would act 
similar to dropbox. For that matter dropbox google and Microsoft have drive 
apps for the iPhone. Generally if you have one of these apps, and click on the 
share button in another app it allows you to push that item to your network 
drive.

 

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



 

On Jul 14, 2017, at 12:20 AM, David & his pack of dogs <myguidedo...@gmail.com 
<mailto:myguidedo...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

I want to edit videos from my IPhone 6S plus onto a big screen TV, pluging the 
IPhone into a windows computer.  Can it be done?  So far in my limited 
knowledge, I think the IPhone only uploads the pictures and videos to I—tunes.  
I have no idea how to or even if, I-tunes could be used to edit videos.  If so, 
how? Also, would the Apple 4th generation 64 or 32 g T V, work better?   

 

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Editing from an IPhone?

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I want to edit videos from my IPhone 6S plus onto a big screen TV, pluging
the IPhone into a windows computer.  Can it be done?  So far in my limited
knowledge, I think the IPhone only uploads the pictures and videos to
I-tunes.  I have no idea how to or even if, I-tunes could be used to edit
videos.  If so, how? Also, would the Apple 4th generation 64 or 32 g T V,
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RE: ios 11 beta

[David & his pack of dogs]

Smile, when you say that baby!  Oh, sorry, I forgot.  Chick.  LOL.  

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Jenine Stanley
Sent: July 2, 2017 7:49 AM
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Subject: Re: ios 11 beta

 

That’s Chick to you, Sir. *grin*

On Jul 2, 2017, at 10:29 AM, David & his pack of dogs <myguidedo...@gmail.com 
<mailto:myguidedo...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Girls and their toys.  LOL.  

 

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Subject: Re: ios 11 beta

 

Simon, Just tried this using iOS11 beta on my 6S and my original Apple Watch 
running watchOS 3.2.3 Dev beta 4 and it works. Before I updated the Watch 
though and was using a public version of watchOS, it also worked. I do so wish 
they’d make it a complication, yes I use it that much.

On Jul 2, 2017, at 4:12 AM, Simon Fogarty < <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com> 
si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:

 

Can someone with an apple watch and is using the IOS 11 beta check for me that 
the

ping your phone 

feature of the watch 

isnt’ working currently?

 

 

Just wanting to confirm that’ it’s not just me and is an issue with the  beta

Note that the watch is running the latest production OS release not a beta.

 

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RE: ios 11 beta

[David & his pack of dogs]

Girls and their toys.  LOL.  

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Jenine Stanley
Sent: July 2, 2017 7:13 AM
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Subject: Re: ios 11 beta

 

Simon, Just tried this using iOS11 beta on my 6S and my original Apple Watch 
running watchOS 3.2.3 Dev beta 4 and it works. Before I updated the Watch 
though and was using a public version of watchOS, it also worked. I do so wish 
they’d make it a complication, yes I use it that much.

On Jul 2, 2017, at 4:12 AM, Simon Fogarty  > wrote:

 

Can someone with an apple watch and is using the IOS 11 beta check for me that 
the

ping your phone 

feature of the watch 

isnt’ working currently?

 

 

Just wanting to confirm that’ it’s not just me and is an issue with the  beta

Note that the watch is running the latest production OS release not a beta.

 

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RE: IMovie with voiceover

[David & his pack of dogs]

Barefoot?  Well, at least you are not pregnant.  LOL.  

 

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On Behalf Of Ray Foret jr
Sent: July 1, 2017 5:53 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IMovie with voiceover

 

I tried Mpg stream and didn’t like it.  Could not figure out how to quickly 
jump to the end of a video and it seems it’s not possible to have more than one 
video open at a time so you can copy and paste in the usual way.  Therefore, no 
good for me.

 

 

Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

 

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!

 

On Jul 1, 2017, at 4:36 PM, Likidefs <gret...@gmail.com 
<mailto:gret...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hello,
The Nella thank you for your willingness to help. Yes I need your help.
Using the MPG stream, I drop the in marker and then the out marker, and then by 
pressing cmd X it doesn't remove the selected part but removes all the rest and 
lives the selected. I also can't find the stop button. When I press play and 
then when I press play again, The speed gets faster and faster but it doesn't 
stop.
Another problem i'm facing is, when I have a very very long file and I want to 
trim from a point to the end, how can I do that?  
Thank you
30 Ιουν 2017, 12:01 μμ, ο/η Daniela Rubio <mabuha...@gmail.com 
<mailto:mabuha...@gmail.com> > έγραψε:




Hello!

Yes, yes, you can do that as well. If you establish In and out to mark the part 
you want to trim, you just cut it with CMD+x and it is gone. The program also 
has the possibility to export to different video and audio formats and keeps of 
course the original files.

If you want help in using it just let me know, but the menus and shortcuts are 
easy to understand by them selves.

I am glad that you liked the program. I use it a lot and love it.

Have a great weekend!





El 30 jun 2017, a las 7:56, Likidefs <gret...@gmail.com 
<mailto:gret...@gmail.com> > escribió:

Hello,
QuickTime is OK, but trims the end or the beginning of the video. I'm looking 
of something that can trim also in the middle easily.
Daniela i've downloaded MPG Stream clip and it seems easier than QuickTime. Now 
I am looking if it has the feature I have previously said. Both programs they 
can do is actually throw the entire video out and keep the trimmed clip. What I 
want to do is to throw the trimmed clips out and keep The  rest video.
A very nice and easy software that could do all these things I'm asking for is 
sound Forge, but I don't know if it is running on Mac and if it still 
accessible. I was using it in the windows years back.


25 Ιουν 2017, 2:16 πμ, ο/η Kliphton Miller <kliph...@icloud.com 
<mailto:kliph...@icloud.com> > έγραψε:




Quick time is great too.



On Jun 24, 2017, at 4:47 PM, Likidefs <gret...@gmail.com 
<mailto:gret...@gmail.com> > wrote:

If anyone knows another video editing software that is accessible besides 
iMovie, please let me know. I'll try to figure out how it works or try to find 
another software it's more accessible. I'll let you know if you wish. Thank you 
very much for your time.
Steve


23 Ιουν 2017, 8:16 πμ, ο/η David & his pack of dogs <myguidedo...@gmail.com 
<mailto:myguidedo...@gmail.com> > έγραψε:




I think the stance is, how can they edit something they can not see?  Faulty 
but, sadly, true.  

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Larry Thacker Jr.
Sent: June 22, 2017 6:56 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: IMovie with voiceover

I asked the same question a while back, and the answer was not encouraging.  I 
am sorry I don’t remember the details anymore, but I was able to do some simple 
editing by using menu commands.  From within the clip you can use menu commands 
to split a single clip and then a trim from beginning (I think that’s what it 
was) to cut away the piece you don’t want.  It is very tedious, so I too will 
be interested if someone knows a better way.  Unfortunately it has not occurred 
even to the usually  accommodating folks at apple that blind people do have 
need to edit video.




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Hi guys,
I'd like some help with iMovie. I have searched around the net, but they found 
nothing. 
I want to process some videos. Trim them, join them together, put some 
narration on them etc. Does anyone have any idea how to do that or where can I 
find a tutorial?
Thanks
Steve  

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RE: accessible VPN

[David & his pack of dogs]

I use Private internet access.  It tells you where to put in the user name and 
password.  Once it is put in, you don’t have to enter it again.  Also, it gives 
you a list of several countries where you can appear to be in.  Such as, if you 
live in the U S, you can appear as if you are in the U K.  Both U K and the U S 
have different areas.  In the U S you could be in New York but, look like you 
are in California.  There are a lot more countries you could appear to be in, I 
just gave some exapmles.  The main thing is, it is accessible for the blind and 
it works. When last I checked it costs $59 for 2 years.   

 

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On Behalf Of masood B
Sent: June 23, 2017 11:18 PM
To: MacVisionaries 
Subject: accessible VPN

 

hello. I would like to know if there is any accessible VPN for Windows and mac? 
thanks.

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RE: IMovie with voiceover

[David & his pack of dogs]

I think the stance is, how can they edit something they can not see?  Faulty 
but, sadly, true.  

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Larry Thacker Jr.
Sent: June 22, 2017 6:56 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IMovie with voiceover

I asked the same question a while back, and the answer was not encouraging.  I 
am sorry I don’t remember the details anymore, but I was able to do some simple 
editing by using menu commands.  From within the clip you can use menu commands 
to split a single clip and then a trim from beginning (I think that’s what it 
was) to cut away the piece you don’t want.  It is very tedious, so I too will 
be interested if someone knows a better way.  Unfortunately it has not occurred 
even to the usually  accommodating folks at apple that blind people do have 
need to edit video.

> On Jun 22, 2017, at 4:34 PM, Likidefs  wrote:
> 
> Hi guys,
> I'd like some help with iMovie. I have searched around the net, but they 
> found nothing. 
> I want to process some videos. Trim them, join them together, put some 
> narration on them etc. Does anyone have any idea how to do that or where can 
> I find a tutorial?
> Thanks
> Steve  
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RE: Downloading TV programs from the BBC

[David & his pack of dogs]

Wow, that's something amazing.  Extracting money from the dead.  

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On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: June 22, 2017 1:30 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Downloading TV programs from the BBC

BBC America is run like any other American TV station with commercials 
sprinkled through out the programming.
I still don’t get paying for a license to pick up free over the air 
broadcasts.  You pay taxes right?  So you’re telling me you have VAT and high 
income taxes and all sorts of fees and they still charge you for public 
broadcasting? Wow.  We have public broadcasting here as well that doesn’t have 
commercials in the same way that regular TV does but it’s available for free 
over the air.  Part of the funds are extracted at the end of a barrel of a gun 
in our taxes we have to pay:) and part is raised by donations by individuals 
and corporations.  Everything from the MacArthur foundation to my dear departed 
Grand Mother can be found donating to public broadcasting.
At least in your case, BBC programming is worth paying for.  You have 
great programming there and the F1 coverage is top shelf.  Interesting how 
different regions and countries do things.  What does a license cost per year 
if you don’t mind me asking.


> On Jun 22, 2017, at 4:24 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> Hi Scott.
> 
> Thanks for replying.
> 
> The reason why people in the UK need to pay TV licences is because it pays 
> employees and the BBC Corporation staff their wages.  Also, the BBC is a non 
> commercial public broadcasting organisation so you get no adverts as you may 
> know although BBC America may have some as I don't know.
>> On 22 Jun 2017, at 21:05, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Kawal, I believe the I player may be available in the US not sure but I use 
>> a VPN to circumvent the geographic detection.  I run an Open VPN server in 
>> London that I attach to and boom people think I’m connecting from across the 
>> pond locally instead of from the former colonies.;)
>> 
>> I figure since I pay my cable bill and BBC is a part of that as well as view 
>> the commercials on BBC America that you’re getting my contribution as well 
>> even though I can’t buy a license.  Then again, the idea of charging people 
>> for licenses to pick up over the air content seems alien and ultimately 
>> unfair to me, but that’s me.
>> 
>>> On Jun 22, 2017, at 3:59 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Paul.
>>> 
>>> Sometimes when I am at work, and I want to listen to the BBC, I don't want 
>>> to sign in using my logging details.  So sometimes I choose the option that 
>>> you will register later, then you are not prompted for your log in details. 
>>>  This might get around your I player Automator.  Where did you get this 
>>> program from as I have not heard of it.
>>> 
>>> However, if you live in the US or any other international destination, then 
>>> you may not be able to register later as I don't even know if one can 
>>> listen to BBC stuff if you are not in the UK.
>>> 
>>> Kawal. 
 On 22 Jun 2017, at 20:34, Paul Hopewell  wrote:
 
 Hello, 
 Until recently I used to make extensive use of the program “get iPlayer 
 Automator” on my iMac. This let me download BBC TV programs which I could 
 subsequently transfer to my iPod Nano to listen to. There was an option to 
 download the TV programs with audio description. 
 
 Alas get iPlayer Automator no longer works. This is probably because the 
 BBC now requires one to logon before you can download either TV or radio 
 programs. Presumably this is to stop non-license fee payers from 
 downloading programs for free. 
 
 The used of get iPlayer automator and subsequent transfer of the programs 
 to my iPod Nano was very handy. Does anyone know if there is an 
 alternative or if get iPlayer automator will be updated to handle the 
 logon issue? 
 
 Many thanks….
 
 Paul Hopewell 
 
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RE: Downloading TV programs from the BBC using a VPN.

[David & his pack of dogs]

I personally use Private Internet Access.  If you live outside the U S, some of 
the programs are not accessible.  In the U K, you could get the copyright 
notice.  So, for the U S, I have myself according to the VPN, in Eastern U S.  
On YouTube, they used to have a setting named worldwide.  This was even better. 
 

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On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
Sent: June 22, 2017 1:24 PM
To: Macvisionaries 
Subject: Re: Downloading TV programs from the BBC

Hi Scott.

Thanks for replying.

The reason why people in the UK need to pay TV licences is because it pays 
employees and the BBC Corporation staff their wages.  Also, the BBC is a non 
commercial public broadcasting organisation so you get no adverts as you may 
know although BBC America may have some as I don't know.
> On 22 Jun 2017, at 21:05, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Kawal, I believe the I player may be available in the US not sure but I use a 
> VPN to circumvent the geographic detection.  I run an Open VPN server in 
> London that I attach to and boom people think I’m connecting from across the 
> pond locally instead of from the former colonies.;)
> 
> I figure since I pay my cable bill and BBC is a part of that as well as view 
> the commercials on BBC America that you’re getting my contribution as well 
> even though I can’t buy a license.  Then again, the idea of charging people 
> for licenses to pick up over the air content seems alien and ultimately 
> unfair to me, but that’s me.
> 
>> On Jun 22, 2017, at 3:59 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Paul.
>> 
>> Sometimes when I am at work, and I want to listen to the BBC, I don't want 
>> to sign in using my logging details.  So sometimes I choose the option that 
>> you will register later, then you are not prompted for your log in details.  
>> This might get around your I player Automator.  Where did you get this 
>> program from as I have not heard of it.
>> 
>> However, if you live in the US or any other international destination, then 
>> you may not be able to register later as I don't even know if one can listen 
>> to BBC stuff if you are not in the UK.
>> 
>> Kawal. 
>>> On 22 Jun 2017, at 20:34, Paul Hopewell  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello, 
>>> Until recently I used to make extensive use of the program “get iPlayer 
>>> Automator” on my iMac. This let me download BBC TV programs which I could 
>>> subsequently transfer to my iPod Nano to listen to. There was an option to 
>>> download the TV programs with audio description. 
>>> 
>>> Alas get iPlayer Automator no longer works. This is probably because the 
>>> BBC now requires one to logon before you can download either TV or radio 
>>> programs. Presumably this is to stop non-license fee payers from 
>>> downloading programs for free. 
>>> 
>>> The used of get iPlayer automator and subsequent transfer of the programs 
>>> to my iPod Nano was very handy. Does anyone know if there is an alternative 
>>> or if get iPlayer automator will be updated to handle the logon issue? 
>>> 
>>> Many thanks….
>>> 
>>> Paul Hopewell 
>>> 
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RE: Playing an audio file at a slower pace

[David & his pack of dogs]

Thanks.  I was going to suggest that too, as I use VLC as my primary audio and 
video player. I have not used the slow down feature much, though. But, have 
used it and know it does slow down speech to an annoyingly slow speed.

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Nektarios Mallas
Sent: June 21, 2017 8:43 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Playing an audio file at a slower pace

Hello Andrew, sorry about that. 
I ment the command key, it was probably the late Hour.  On 21 Jun 2017, at 12:22, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
> 
> Thanks Nektarios, I will give it a go.  When you say "alt", do you mean 
> option key?
> 
> Andrew
>> On 20 Jun 2017, at 22:45, Nektarios Mallas  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello there.
>> Why don’ t you just use vlc media player for that purpose? 
>> Start playing the file and then use alt + minus to decrease the speed and 
>> alt + equals to go back to normal or to make it faster if you want. 
>> Hope that helps.
>> 
>> Nektarios. 
>> 
>>> On 21 Jun 2017, at 00:06, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Here's my dilemma I need to solve in a day or two.  I have a video in 
>>> Spanish, which I need to work on for my class. (I'm learning Spanish).  The 
>>> dialogue in the video is a bit too fast.  Is there an app or a way in which 
>>> I could somehow slow down the speech without distorting the quality so that 
>>> I can understand it better?  I know that I can understand it but the speed 
>>> is just too much at this stage for me.  Any ideas please?
>>> 
>>> Andrew
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RE: Playing an audio file at a slower pace

[David & his pack of dogs]

Stop using Chilean Spanish.  Use a slower dialect.  

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Andrew Lamanche
Sent: June 20, 2017 2:07 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Playing an audio file at a slower pace

Hi,

Here's my dilemma I need to solve in a day or two.  I have a video in Spanish, 
which I need to work on for my class. (I'm learning Spanish).  The dialogue in 
the video is a bit too fast.  Is there an app or a way in which I could somehow 
slow down the speech without distorting the quality so that I can understand it 
better?  I know that I can understand it but the speed is just too much at this 
stage for me.  Any ideas please?

Andrew

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RE: changing subject lines

[David & his pack of dogs]

Agreed.  There is a subject line that is, getting tired of
I almost posted I was getting tired of the subject.  How many ways can one 
dissect a topic?  

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On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: June 8, 2017 2:27 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: changing subject lines

Given that I'm terrible about doing this, I can't believe I'm going to be the 
one to bring it up.  But that WWD3 subject line has covered an awful lot of 
ground, as have a couple of other subject lines.  Might be a good idea to start 
paying attention and change the subject line so it corresponds to the message 
topic.
Cheers,
Donna

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