Re: [Bulk] Re: My 2 cents about the inaccessibility of the set up of drop box
Well said. As one of my favorite fictional characters said: You can get more with a kind word and a 2 by 4 than you can with just a kind word. :D Ricardo, you are absolutely right about standing up and saying what needs saying in spite of any perceived futility. Drop Box needs to hear us all. Of course we should be polite, but we must also stand firm until they finally get tired of our emails. A good example of the polite prodding strategy paying off is what was accomplished with ProTools accessibility. Friendly, Chris On Feb 24, 2011, at 3:57 PM, T wood wrote: I agree with this 100 %. On 2011-02-24, at 4:11 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: What a strange post. I have to say the same thing I did then. So what? Just because they choose to ignore you, doesn't mean you should just give up. I will draw a parallel but off course this was a much bigger deal. When African Americans marched and petitioned for civil rights, I'm sure many people ignored them. But they kept on. And many people are better off because they did. You feel it is a hopeless cause and thats fine. But that doesn't mean people who don't are out of touch with reality or something. I really have know idea what your statement was suppose to mean. It's not like you said the Earth was round and everyone else was saying it was flat and you just proved us wrong so know you need a pat on the back or something. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296 On Feb 23, 2011, at 7:27 PM, louie wrote: Like I said they don't care and they don't have to. Every one that put me down for saying the above what do you have to say now. On Feb 23, 2011, at 3:05 PM, Michael Thurman wrote: well honestly I don't think it matters what we do short of a class action lawsuit because like most things noone cares unless you bust them over the head with a 2x4 lol most buisness people I uspect are abotu as stubborn as mules On Feb 22, 2011, at 1:47 PM, Scott Granados wrote: Sounds typically militant. You won't get any results with a message like this. It's the quickest way to get your requests sent to /dev/null. On Feb 22, 2011, at 3:41 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote: Look, here's how I see it. They've been telling us for about two years that they know about the accessibility issues witth Drop Box. Every single time one of us writes them about it, all we hear back is, We're aware of the problem. I reckon it's high time one of us or maybe a bunch of us wrote them and frankly said something like this: Every single time any one of us has written you about the accessibility problems we've been having with Drop Box, all we hear from you is, We're aware of it and are working on it.. Really? Where's the evidence of your work? You keep saying that you are aware, yet, we see no results. To speak frankly, we are beginning to wonder wheterh or not you really actually care; even if you are aware. What do we have to do to make you understand that, if we're going to use your service, (especially if we're going to pay for it), we'd better be able to use it? What will it take?. Yes, I think at least one of us; or, as I said before, a number of us, ought to just put it out on the table just like that. Just one of us isn't enough. We need to do this on a daily basis until they realize that we WILL, NOT, BE, IGNORED!!! Thoughts? Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! Skype name: barefootedray Facebook: facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 On Feb 22, 2011, at 2:43 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: O can set it up fine. But you have a point there. On 22/02/2011, at 0:31, Jes Smith theeternal...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all. As far as I'm concerned, the complete inaccessibility of Drop Box on the Mac is inexcusable. And, I tell you this, if I was the CEO of Apple, developers would either write their code based on Apple's accessibility guidelines, or, there programs would just be rejected. IT's a black and white issue as far as I'm concerned. I mean, mercy! IT's bad enough that we couldn't access the drop box menu, but now that we can't even set the client up without sighted help? And honestly, I don't think petitions would do a lot for our cause. Individual complaints have been sent to drop box for over two years, and they've done nothing to show us that they hear our cries for accessibility. I'd sign the petition, but don't think it will help much. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed
Re: [Bulk] Re: My 2 cents about the inaccessibility of the set up of drop box
yes but when an ap WAS accessible and no longer is that should be criminal and is disghusting let's hope that they give a damn and fix it if all developers didn't care abot s we wouldn't have the mac at all and i think apple does realise that alot of us are trning to the mac for accessibility and I hope they understand that we will turn as quickly away and sell our expensive pretty machies if they become inaccessible On Feb 23, 2011, at 7:42 PM, Jim Barbour wrote: Er, apologies for the reference to the iTunes store. I forgot which list I was writing to. My point stands though. It is not realistic to assume that every Mac application should be voiceover friendly before the developer can make money from it. Jim On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 04:39:40PM -0800, Jim Barbour wrote: Are you suggesting that every developer should make sure that every app is VO accessible before the app store carries it? That wuld be tantamount to saying that every app must be availble in, insert obscure written language here, before it could be sold in the iTunes store. So, I say to pick your battles and try to be nice to the folks you're negotiating with. Jim On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 04:27:51PM -0800, louie wrote: Like I said they don't care and they don't have to. Every one that put me down for saying the above what do you have to say now. On Feb 23, 2011, at 3:05 PM, Michael Thurman wrote: well honestly I don't think it matters what we do short of a class action lawsuit because like most things noone cares unless you bust them over the head with a 2x4 lol most buisness people I uspect are abotu as stubborn as mules On Feb 22, 2011, at 1:47 PM, Scott Granados wrote: Sounds typically militant. You won't get any results with a message like this. It's the quickest way to get your requests sent to /dev/null. On Feb 22, 2011, at 3:41 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote: Look, here's how I see it. They've been telling us for about two years that they know about the accessibility issues witth Drop Box. Every single time one of us writes them about it, all we hear back is, We're aware of the problem. I reckon it's high time one of us or maybe a bunch of us wrote them and frankly said something like this: Every single time any one of us has written you about the accessibility problems we've been having with Drop Box, all we hear from you is, We're aware of it and are working on it.. Really? Where's the evidence of your work? You keep saying that you are aware, yet, we see no results. To speak frankly, we are beginning to wonder wheterh or not you really actually care; even if you are aware. What do we have to do to make you understand that, if we're going to use your service, (especially if we're going to pay for it), we'd better be able to use it? What will it take?. Yes, I think at least one of us; or, as I said before, a number of us, ought to just put it out on the table just like that. Just one of us isn't enough. We need to do this on a daily basis until they realize that we WILL, NOT, BE, IGNORED!!! Thoughts? Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! Skype name: barefootedray Facebook: facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 On Feb 22, 2011, at 2:43 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: O can set it up fine. But you have a point there. On 22/02/2011, at 0:31, Jes Smith theeternal...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all. As far as I'm concerned, the complete inaccessibility of Drop Box on the Mac is inexcusable. And, I tell you this, if I was the CEO of Apple, developers would either write their code based on Apple's accessibility guidelines, or, there programs would just be rejected. IT's a black and white issue as far as I'm concerned. I mean, mercy! IT's bad enough that we couldn't access the drop box menu, but now that we can't even set the client up without sighted help? And honestly, I don't think petitions would do a lot for our cause. Individual complaints have been sent to drop box for over two years, and they've done nothing to show us that they hear our cries for accessibility. I'd sign the petition, but don't think it will help much. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. --
Re: [Bulk] Re: My 2 cents about the inaccessibility of the set up of drop box
Hi all! As someone else said it is not Apples place to make dev's add accessibility! But [ and I do not know how this would work] could the apps star rating be made, so it would only get 5 stars if it is accessible! Somehow only people who use accessibility could put a rating that no one else can put! And without it an app would never reach 5 stars! Oh well its just a thought! And back to the protest a lot of us have Skype and some of you are good at podcast's and can record Skype! So if a lot of us could put our issue via Skype and someone could put it together and chuck it out on U tube or facebook might that help! I would not mind speaking for this purpose! We do not have to be nasty just show our problem! All the best! Colin! Qapla! Chegh chew jaj Vam jaj Kak On 24 Feb 2011, at 12:25, Michael Thurman wrote: yes but when an ap WAS accessible and no longer is that should be criminal and is disgusting let's hope that they give a damn and fix it if all developers didn't care about s we wouldn't have the mac at all and i think apple does realise that a lot of us are turning to the mac for accessibility and I hope they understand that we will turn as quickly away and sell our expensive pretty machies if they become inaccessible On Feb 23, 2011, at 7:42 PM, Jim Barbour wrote: Er, apologies for the reference to the iTunes store. I forgot which list I was writing to. My point stands though. It is not realistic to assume that every Mac application should be voiceover friendly before the developer can make money from it. Jim On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 04:39:40PM -0800, Jim Barbour wrote: Are you suggesting that every developer should make sure that every app is VO accessible before the app store carries it? That wuld be tantamount to saying that every app must be available in, insert obscure written language here, before it could be sold in the iTunes store. So, I say to pick your battles and try to be nice to the folks you're negotiating with. Jim On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 04:27:51PM -0800, louie wrote: Like I said they don't care and they don't have to. Every one that put me down for saying the above what do you have to say now. On Feb 23, 2011, at 3:05 PM, Michael Thurman wrote: well honestly I don't think it matters what we do short of a class action lawsuit because like most things noone cares unless you bust them over the head with a 2x4 lol most business people I uspect are abotu as stubborn as mules On Feb 22, 2011, at 1:47 PM, Scott Granados wrote: Sounds typically militant. You won't get any results with a message like this. It's the quickest way to get your requests sent to /dev/null. On Feb 22, 2011, at 3:41 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote: Look, here's how I see it. They've been telling us for about two years that they know about the accessibility issues witth Drop Box. Every single time one of us writes them about it, all we hear back is, We're aware of the problem. I reckon it's high time one of us or maybe a bunch of us wrote them and frankly said something like this: Every single time any one of us has written you about the accessibility problems we've been having with Drop Box, all we hear from you is, We're aware of it and are working on it.. Really? Where's the evidence of your work? You keep saying that you are aware, yet, we see no results. To speak frankly, we are beginning to wonder wheterh or not you really actually care; even if you are aware. What do we have to do to make you understand that, if we're going to use your service, (especially if we're going to pay for it), we'd better be able to use it? What will it take?. Yes, I think at least one of us; or, as I said before, a number of us, ought to just put it out on the table just like that. Just one of us isn't enough. We need to do this on a daily basis until they realize that we WILL, NOT, BE, IGNORED!!! Thoughts? Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! Skype name: barefootedray Facebook: facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 On Feb 22, 2011, at 2:43 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: O can set it up fine. But you have a point there. On 22/02/2011, at 0:31, Jes Smith theeternal...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all. As far as I'm concerned, the complete inaccessibility of Drop Box on the Mac is inexcusable. And, I tell you this, if I was the CEO of Apple, developers would either write their code based on Apple's accessibility guidelines, or, there programs would just be rejected. IT's a black and white issue as far as I'm concerned. I mean, mercy! IT's bad enough that we couldn't access the drop box menu, but now that we can't even set the client up without sighted help? And honestly, I don't think petitions would do a lot for our cause. Individual complaints have been sent to drop box for over two years, and they've done nothing to show us that
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Hi Colin: Excellent idea! Anyone can wine and complain about a product or write a nasty-gram. A well-put together constructive criticism might actually do some good. Carolyn H On Feb 24, 2011, at 6:24 AM, Colin M wrote: Hi all! As someone else said it is not Apples place to make dev's add accessibility! But [ and I do not know how this would work] could the apps star rating be made, so it would only get 5 stars if it is accessible! Somehow only people who use accessibility could put a rating that no one else can put! And without it an app would never reach 5 stars! Oh well its just a thought! And back to the protest a lot of us have Skype and some of you are good at podcast's and can record Skype! So if a lot of us could put our issue via Skype and someone could put it together and chuck it out on U tube or facebook might that help! I would not mind speaking for this purpose! We do not have to be nasty just show our problem! All the best! Colin! Qapla! Chegh chew jaj Vam jaj Kak On 24 Feb 2011, at 12:25, Michael Thurman wrote: yes but when an ap WAS accessible and no longer is that should be criminal and is disgusting let's hope that they give a damn and fix it if all developers didn't care about s we wouldn't have the mac at all and i think apple does realise that a lot of us are turning to the mac for accessibility and I hope they understand that we will turn as quickly away and sell our expensive pretty machies if they become inaccessible On Feb 23, 2011, at 7:42 PM, Jim Barbour wrote: Er, apologies for the reference to the iTunes store. I forgot which list I was writing to. My point stands though. It is not realistic to assume that every Mac application should be voiceover friendly before the developer can make money from it. Jim On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 04:39:40PM -0800, Jim Barbour wrote: Are you suggesting that every developer should make sure that every app is VO accessible before the app store carries it? That wuld be tantamount to saying that every app must be available in, insert obscure written language here, before it could be sold in the iTunes store. So, I say to pick your battles and try to be nice to the folks you're negotiating with. Jim On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 04:27:51PM -0800, louie wrote: Like I said they don't care and they don't have to. Every one that put me down for saying the above what do you have to say now. On Feb 23, 2011, at 3:05 PM, Michael Thurman wrote: well honestly I don't think it matters what we do short of a class action lawsuit because like most things noone cares unless you bust them over the head with a 2x4 lol most business people I uspect are abotu as stubborn as mules On Feb 22, 2011, at 1:47 PM, Scott Granados wrote: Sounds typically militant. You won't get any results with a message like this. It's the quickest way to get your requests sent to /dev/null. On Feb 22, 2011, at 3:41 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote: Look, here's how I see it. They've been telling us for about two years that they know about the accessibility issues witth Drop Box. Every single time one of us writes them about it, all we hear back is, We're aware of the problem. I reckon it's high time one of us or maybe a bunch of us wrote them and frankly said something like this: Every single time any one of us has written you about the accessibility problems we've been having with Drop Box, all we hear from you is, We're aware of it and are working on it.. Really? Where's the evidence of your work? You keep saying that you are aware, yet, we see no results. To speak frankly, we are beginning to wonder wheterh or not you really actually care; even if you are aware. What do we have to do to make you understand that, if we're going to use your service, (especially if we're going to pay for it), we'd better be able to use it? What will it take?. Yes, I think at least one of us; or, as I said before, a number of us, ought to just put it out on the table just like that. Just one of us isn't enough. We need to do this on a daily basis until they realize that we WILL, NOT, BE, IGNORED!!! Thoughts? Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! Skype name: barefootedray Facebook: facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 On Feb 22, 2011, at 2:43 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: O can set it up fine. But you have a point there. On 22/02/2011, at 0:31, Jes Smith theeternal...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all. As far as I'm concerned, the complete inaccessibility of Drop Box on the Mac is inexcusable. And, I tell you this, if I was the CEO of Apple, developers would either write their code based on Apple's accessibility guidelines, or, there programs would just be rejected. IT's a black and white issue as far as I'm concerned. I mean, mercy! IT's bad enough that we couldn't access the drop box menu,
Re: [Bulk] Re: My 2 cents about the inaccessibility of the set up of drop box
We've had several discussions on the viphone list about this. People's opinions vary on this subject, mine is below. There is currently no bar that is well defined about what it means to be accessible using VO. We've talked about just allowing users to rate a product based on accessibility or something like VO friendliness I think it would be very hard to regulate in a reliable way. Jim On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 01:24:14PM +, Colin M wrote: Hi all! As someone else said it is not Apples place to make dev's add accessibility! But [ and I do not know how this would work] could the apps star rating be made, so it would only get 5 stars if it is accessible! Somehow only people who use accessibility could put a rating that no one else can put! And without it an app would never reach 5 stars! Oh well its just a thought! And back to the protest a lot of us have Skype and some of you are good at podcast's and can record Skype! So if a lot of us could put our issue via Skype and someone could put it together and chuck it out on U tube or facebook might that help! I would not mind speaking for this purpose! We do not have to be nasty just show our problem! All the best! Colin! Qapla! Chegh chew jaj Vam jaj Kak On 24 Feb 2011, at 12:25, Michael Thurman wrote: yes but when an ap WAS accessible and no longer is that should be criminal and is disgusting let's hope that they give a damn and fix it if all developers didn't care about s we wouldn't have the mac at all and i think apple does realise that a lot of us are turning to the mac for accessibility and I hope they understand that we will turn as quickly away and sell our expensive pretty machies if they become inaccessible On Feb 23, 2011, at 7:42 PM, Jim Barbour wrote: Er, apologies for the reference to the iTunes store. I forgot which list I was writing to. My point stands though. It is not realistic to assume that every Mac application should be voiceover friendly before the developer can make money from it. Jim On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 04:39:40PM -0800, Jim Barbour wrote: Are you suggesting that every developer should make sure that every app is VO accessible before the app store carries it? That wuld be tantamount to saying that every app must be available in, insert obscure written language here, before it could be sold in the iTunes store. So, I say to pick your battles and try to be nice to the folks you're negotiating with. Jim On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 04:27:51PM -0800, louie wrote: Like I said they don't care and they don't have to. Every one that put me down for saying the above what do you have to say now. On Feb 23, 2011, at 3:05 PM, Michael Thurman wrote: well honestly I don't think it matters what we do short of a class action lawsuit because like most things noone cares unless you bust them over the head with a 2x4 lol most business people I uspect are abotu as stubborn as mules On Feb 22, 2011, at 1:47 PM, Scott Granados wrote: Sounds typically militant. You won't get any results with a message like this. It's the quickest way to get your requests sent to /dev/null. On Feb 22, 2011, at 3:41 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote: Look, here's how I see it. They've been telling us for about two years that they know about the accessibility issues witth Drop Box. Every single time one of us writes them about it, all we hear back is, We're aware of the problem. I reckon it's high time one of us or maybe a bunch of us wrote them and frankly said something like this: Every single time any one of us has written you about the accessibility problems we've been having with Drop Box, all we hear from you is, We're aware of it and are working on it.. Really? Where's the evidence of your work? You keep saying that you are aware, yet, we see no results. To speak frankly, we are beginning to wonder wheterh or not you really actually care; even if you are aware. What do we have to do to make you understand that, if we're going to use your service, (especially if we're going to pay for it), we'd better be able to use it? What will it take?. Yes, I think at least one of us; or, as I said before, a number of us, ought to just put it out on the table just like that. Just one of us isn't enough. We need to do this on a daily basis until they realize that we WILL, NOT, BE, IGNORED!!! Thoughts? Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! Skype name: barefootedray Facebook: facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 On Feb 22, 2011, at 2:43 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: O can set it up fine. But you have a point there. On 22/02/2011, at 0:31, Jes Smith theeternal...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all. As far as I'm concerned, the complete inaccessibility of Drop Box on the Mac is
Re: [Bulk] Re: My 2 cents about the inaccessibility of the set up of drop box
Yeah, but the thing is, we're such a tiny piece of the market that our money doesn't do anything here nor there. Just think for a while, how many are blind in the world, and i mean all of the world? How many of the blind are using an Apple product? How many of those Apple product users are on this list? How many lurkers do we have? How many are active? Let's just imagine that we are 10 active, and i mean that write to this list at least once a week, How much would that do for a program developer that has 15 sighties? Not much i should say, so to demand that accessibility should be considered as criminal is ridiculous at least to my ears. I'm not saying we shouldn't make the developers aware of our needs, because we should, and often they listen and do good stuff, but maybe we shouldn't get our expectations up to high either. /Krister 24 feb 2011 kl. 13.25 skrev Michael Thurman: yes but when an ap WAS accessible and no longer is that should be criminal and is disghusting let's hope that they give a damn and fix it if all developers didn't care abot s we wouldn't have the mac at all and i think apple does realise that alot of us are trning to the mac for accessibility and I hope they understand that we will turn as quickly away and sell our expensive pretty machies if they become inaccessible On Feb 23, 2011, at 7:42 PM, Jim Barbour wrote: Er, apologies for the reference to the iTunes store. I forgot which list I was writing to. My point stands though. It is not realistic to assume that every Mac application should be voiceover friendly before the developer can make money from it. Jim On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 04:39:40PM -0800, Jim Barbour wrote: Are you suggesting that every developer should make sure that every app is VO accessible before the app store carries it? That wuld be tantamount to saying that every app must be availble in, insert obscure written language here, before it could be sold in the iTunes store. So, I say to pick your battles and try to be nice to the folks you're negotiating with. Jim On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 04:27:51PM -0800, louie wrote: Like I said they don't care and they don't have to. Every one that put me down for saying the above what do you have to say now. On Feb 23, 2011, at 3:05 PM, Michael Thurman wrote: well honestly I don't think it matters what we do short of a class action lawsuit because like most things noone cares unless you bust them over the head with a 2x4 lol most buisness people I uspect are abotu as stubborn as mules On Feb 22, 2011, at 1:47 PM, Scott Granados wrote: Sounds typically militant. You won't get any results with a message like this. It's the quickest way to get your requests sent to /dev/null. On Feb 22, 2011, at 3:41 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote: Look, here's how I see it. They've been telling us for about two years that they know about the accessibility issues witth Drop Box. Every single time one of us writes them about it, all we hear back is, We're aware of the problem. I reckon it's high time one of us or maybe a bunch of us wrote them and frankly said something like this: Every single time any one of us has written you about the accessibility problems we've been having with Drop Box, all we hear from you is, We're aware of it and are working on it.. Really? Where's the evidence of your work? You keep saying that you are aware, yet, we see no results. To speak frankly, we are beginning to wonder wheterh or not you really actually care; even if you are aware. What do we have to do to make you understand that, if we're going to use your service, (especially if we're going to pay for it), we'd better be able to use it? What will it take?. Yes, I think at least one of us; or, as I said before, a number of us, ought to just put it out on the table just like that. Just one of us isn't enough. We need to do this on a daily basis until they realize that we WILL, NOT, BE, IGNORED!!! Thoughts? Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! Skype name: barefootedray Facebook: facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 On Feb 22, 2011, at 2:43 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: O can set it up fine. But you have a point there. On 22/02/2011, at 0:31, Jes Smith theeternal...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all. As far as I'm concerned, the complete inaccessibility of Drop Box on the Mac is inexcusable. And, I tell you this, if I was the CEO of Apple, developers would either write their code based on Apple's accessibility guidelines, or, there programs would just be rejected. IT's a black and white issue as far as I'm concerned. I mean, mercy! IT's bad enough that we couldn't access the drop box menu, but now that we can't even set the client up without sighted help? And honestly, I don't think petitions would do a lot for our cause. Individual complaints have been sent to
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I already did a youtube vid. just go to my youtube link in my sig and click the dropbox ink. itis short but it should prove a point. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marri...@gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On Feb 24, 2011, at 5:24 AM, Colin M wrote: Hi all! As someone else said it is not Apples place to make dev's add accessibility! But [ and I do not know how this would work] could the apps star rating be made, so it would only get 5 stars if it is accessible! Somehow only people who use accessibility could put a rating that no one else can put! And without it an app would never reach 5 stars! Oh well its just a thought! And back to the protest a lot of us have Skype and some of you are good at podcast's and can record Skype! So if a lot of us could put our issue via Skype and someone could put it together and chuck it out on U tube or facebook might that help! I would not mind speaking for this purpose! We do not have to be nasty just show our problem! All the best! Colin! Qapla! Chegh chew jaj Vam jaj Kak On 24 Feb 2011, at 12:25, Michael Thurman wrote: yes but when an ap WAS accessible and no longer is that should be criminal and is disgusting let's hope that they give a damn and fix it if all developers didn't care about s we wouldn't have the mac at all and i think apple does realise that a lot of us are turning to the mac for accessibility and I hope they understand that we will turn as quickly away and sell our expensive pretty machies if they become inaccessible On Feb 23, 2011, at 7:42 PM, Jim Barbour wrote: Er, apologies for the reference to the iTunes store. I forgot which list I was writing to. My point stands though. It is not realistic to assume that every Mac application should be voiceover friendly before the developer can make money from it. Jim On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 04:39:40PM -0800, Jim Barbour wrote: Are you suggesting that every developer should make sure that every app is VO accessible before the app store carries it? That wuld be tantamount to saying that every app must be available in, insert obscure written language here, before it could be sold in the iTunes store. So, I say to pick your battles and try to be nice to the folks you're negotiating with. Jim On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 04:27:51PM -0800, louie wrote: Like I said they don't care and they don't have to. Every one that put me down for saying the above what do you have to say now. On Feb 23, 2011, at 3:05 PM, Michael Thurman wrote: well honestly I don't think it matters what we do short of a class action lawsuit because like most things noone cares unless you bust them over the head with a 2x4 lol most business people I uspect are abotu as stubborn as mules On Feb 22, 2011, at 1:47 PM, Scott Granados wrote: Sounds typically militant. You won't get any results with a message like this. It's the quickest way to get your requests sent to /dev/null. On Feb 22, 2011, at 3:41 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote: Look, here's how I see it. They've been telling us for about two years that they know about the accessibility issues witth Drop Box. Every single time one of us writes them about it, all we hear back is, We're aware of the problem. I reckon it's high time one of us or maybe a bunch of us wrote them and frankly said something like this: Every single time any one of us has written you about the accessibility problems we've been having with Drop Box, all we hear from you is, We're aware of it and are working on it.. Really? Where's the evidence of your work? You keep saying that you are aware, yet, we see no results. To speak frankly, we are beginning to wonder wheterh or not you really actually care; even if you are aware. What do we have to do to make you understand that, if we're going to use your service, (especially if we're going to pay for it), we'd better be able to use it? What will it take?. Yes, I think at least one of us; or, as I said before, a number of us, ought to just put it out on the table just like that. Just one of us isn't enough. We need to do this on a daily basis until they realize that we WILL, NOT, BE, IGNORED!!! Thoughts? Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! Skype name: barefootedray Facebook: facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 On Feb 22, 2011, at 2:43 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: O can set it up fine. But you have a point there. On 22/02/2011, at 0:31, Jes Smith theeternal...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all. As far as I'm concerned, the complete inaccessibility of Drop Box on the Mac is inexcusable. And, I tell you this, if I was the CEO of Apple, developers
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I pointed the dropbox devs to my youtube vid but they didn't even seem to look at it. at least I don't think so based on there response. so maybe the one who got the more detailed response can point them to what I did to demonstrate and see if that helps them at all as it is a screenshot vid. Take care all. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marri...@gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On Feb 24, 2011, at 6:15 AM, carolyn Haas wrote: Hi Colin: Excellent idea! Anyone can wine and complain about a product or write a nasty-gram. A well-put together constructive criticism might actually do some good. Carolyn H On Feb 24, 2011, at 6:24 AM, Colin M wrote: Hi all! As someone else said it is not Apples place to make dev's add accessibility! But [ and I do not know how this would work] could the apps star rating be made, so it would only get 5 stars if it is accessible! Somehow only people who use accessibility could put a rating that no one else can put! And without it an app would never reach 5 stars! Oh well its just a thought! And back to the protest a lot of us have Skype and some of you are good at podcast's and can record Skype! So if a lot of us could put our issue via Skype and someone could put it together and chuck it out on U tube or facebook might that help! I would not mind speaking for this purpose! We do not have to be nasty just show our problem! All the best! Colin! Qapla! Chegh chew jaj Vam jaj Kak On 24 Feb 2011, at 12:25, Michael Thurman wrote: yes but when an ap WAS accessible and no longer is that should be criminal and is disgusting let's hope that they give a damn and fix it if all developers didn't care about s we wouldn't have the mac at all and i think apple does realise that a lot of us are turning to the mac for accessibility and I hope they understand that we will turn as quickly away and sell our expensive pretty machies if they become inaccessible On Feb 23, 2011, at 7:42 PM, Jim Barbour wrote: Er, apologies for the reference to the iTunes store. I forgot which list I was writing to. My point stands though. It is not realistic to assume that every Mac application should be voiceover friendly before the developer can make money from it. Jim On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 04:39:40PM -0800, Jim Barbour wrote: Are you suggesting that every developer should make sure that every app is VO accessible before the app store carries it? That wuld be tantamount to saying that every app must be available in, insert obscure written language here, before it could be sold in the iTunes store. So, I say to pick your battles and try to be nice to the folks you're negotiating with. Jim On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 04:27:51PM -0800, louie wrote: Like I said they don't care and they don't have to. Every one that put me down for saying the above what do you have to say now. On Feb 23, 2011, at 3:05 PM, Michael Thurman wrote: well honestly I don't think it matters what we do short of a class action lawsuit because like most things noone cares unless you bust them over the head with a 2x4 lol most business people I uspect are abotu as stubborn as mules On Feb 22, 2011, at 1:47 PM, Scott Granados wrote: Sounds typically militant. You won't get any results with a message like this. It's the quickest way to get your requests sent to /dev/null. On Feb 22, 2011, at 3:41 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote: Look, here's how I see it. They've been telling us for about two years that they know about the accessibility issues witth Drop Box. Every single time one of us writes them about it, all we hear back is, We're aware of the problem. I reckon it's high time one of us or maybe a bunch of us wrote them and frankly said something like this: Every single time any one of us has written you about the accessibility problems we've been having with Drop Box, all we hear from you is, We're aware of it and are working on it.. Really? Where's the evidence of your work? You keep saying that you are aware, yet, we see no results. To speak frankly, we are beginning to wonder wheterh or not you really actually care; even if you are aware. What do we have to do to make you understand that, if we're going to use your service, (especially if we're going to pay for it), we'd better be able to use it? What will it take?. Yes, I think at least one of us; or, as I said before, a number of us, ought to just put it out on the table just like that. Just one of us isn't enough. We need to do this on a daily basis until they realize that we WILL, NOT, BE, IGNORED!!! Thoughts? Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! Now a very proud and happy Mac
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What a strange post. I have to say the same thing I did then. So what? Just because they choose to ignore you, doesn't mean you should just give up. I will draw a parallel but off course this was a much bigger deal. When African Americans marched and petitioned for civil rights, I'm sure many people ignored them. But they kept on. And many people are better off because they did. You feel it is a hopeless cause and thats fine. But that doesn't mean people who don't are out of touch with reality or something. I really have know idea what your statement was suppose to mean. It's not like you said the Earth was round and everyone else was saying it was flat and you just proved us wrong so know you need a pat on the back or something. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296 On Feb 23, 2011, at 7:27 PM, louie wrote: Like I said they don't care and they don't have to. Every one that put me down for saying the above what do you have to say now. On Feb 23, 2011, at 3:05 PM, Michael Thurman wrote: well honestly I don't think it matters what we do short of a class action lawsuit because like most things noone cares unless you bust them over the head with a 2x4 lol most buisness people I uspect are abotu as stubborn as mules On Feb 22, 2011, at 1:47 PM, Scott Granados wrote: Sounds typically militant. You won't get any results with a message like this. It's the quickest way to get your requests sent to /dev/null. On Feb 22, 2011, at 3:41 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote: Look, here's how I see it. They've been telling us for about two years that they know about the accessibility issues witth Drop Box. Every single time one of us writes them about it, all we hear back is, We're aware of the problem. I reckon it's high time one of us or maybe a bunch of us wrote them and frankly said something like this: Every single time any one of us has written you about the accessibility problems we've been having with Drop Box, all we hear from you is, We're aware of it and are working on it.. Really? Where's the evidence of your work? You keep saying that you are aware, yet, we see no results. To speak frankly, we are beginning to wonder wheterh or not you really actually care; even if you are aware. What do we have to do to make you understand that, if we're going to use your service, (especially if we're going to pay for it), we'd better be able to use it? What will it take?. Yes, I think at least one of us; or, as I said before, a number of us, ought to just put it out on the table just like that. Just one of us isn't enough. We need to do this on a daily basis until they realize that we WILL, NOT, BE, IGNORED!!! Thoughts? Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! Skype name: barefootedray Facebook: facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 On Feb 22, 2011, at 2:43 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: O can set it up fine. But you have a point there. On 22/02/2011, at 0:31, Jes Smith theeternal...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all. As far as I'm concerned, the complete inaccessibility of Drop Box on the Mac is inexcusable. And, I tell you this, if I was the CEO of Apple, developers would either write their code based on Apple's accessibility guidelines, or, there programs would just be rejected. IT's a black and white issue as far as I'm concerned. I mean, mercy! IT's bad enough that we couldn't access the drop box menu, but now that we can't even set the client up without sighted help? And honestly, I don't think petitions would do a lot for our cause. Individual complaints have been sent to drop box for over two years, and they've done nothing to show us that they hear our cries for accessibility. I'd sign the petition, but don't think it will help much. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
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I agree with this 100 %. On 2011-02-24, at 4:11 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: What a strange post. I have to say the same thing I did then. So what? Just because they choose to ignore you, doesn't mean you should just give up. I will draw a parallel but off course this was a much bigger deal. When African Americans marched and petitioned for civil rights, I'm sure many people ignored them. But they kept on. And many people are better off because they did. You feel it is a hopeless cause and thats fine. But that doesn't mean people who don't are out of touch with reality or something. I really have know idea what your statement was suppose to mean. It's not like you said the Earth was round and everyone else was saying it was flat and you just proved us wrong so know you need a pat on the back or something. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296 On Feb 23, 2011, at 7:27 PM, louie wrote: Like I said they don't care and they don't have to. Every one that put me down for saying the above what do you have to say now. On Feb 23, 2011, at 3:05 PM, Michael Thurman wrote: well honestly I don't think it matters what we do short of a class action lawsuit because like most things noone cares unless you bust them over the head with a 2x4 lol most buisness people I uspect are abotu as stubborn as mules On Feb 22, 2011, at 1:47 PM, Scott Granados wrote: Sounds typically militant. You won't get any results with a message like this. It's the quickest way to get your requests sent to /dev/null. On Feb 22, 2011, at 3:41 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote: Look, here's how I see it. They've been telling us for about two years that they know about the accessibility issues witth Drop Box. Every single time one of us writes them about it, all we hear back is, We're aware of the problem. I reckon it's high time one of us or maybe a bunch of us wrote them and frankly said something like this: Every single time any one of us has written you about the accessibility problems we've been having with Drop Box, all we hear from you is, We're aware of it and are working on it.. Really? Where's the evidence of your work? You keep saying that you are aware, yet, we see no results. To speak frankly, we are beginning to wonder wheterh or not you really actually care; even if you are aware. What do we have to do to make you understand that, if we're going to use your service, (especially if we're going to pay for it), we'd better be able to use it? What will it take?. Yes, I think at least one of us; or, as I said before, a number of us, ought to just put it out on the table just like that. Just one of us isn't enough. We need to do this on a daily basis until they realize that we WILL, NOT, BE, IGNORED!!! Thoughts? Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! Skype name: barefootedray Facebook: facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 On Feb 22, 2011, at 2:43 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: O can set it up fine. But you have a point there. On 22/02/2011, at 0:31, Jes Smith theeternal...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all. As far as I'm concerned, the complete inaccessibility of Drop Box on the Mac is inexcusable. And, I tell you this, if I was the CEO of Apple, developers would either write their code based on Apple's accessibility guidelines, or, there programs would just be rejected. IT's a black and white issue as far as I'm concerned. I mean, mercy! IT's bad enough that we couldn't access the drop box menu, but now that we can't even set the client up without sighted help? And honestly, I don't think petitions would do a lot for our cause. Individual complaints have been sent to drop box for over two years, and they've done nothing to show us that they hear our cries for accessibility. I'd sign the petition, but don't think it will help much. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
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why does the nfb never get into cases like this yet they destroy our chances for getting discriptive tv programming... wht are these groups like the nfb and the acb doing for us? they probably don't care after all their leadership are all people with PLENTY of money so what do theyc are of the rest of us get screwed they can pay for people to do tuff for them On Feb 22, 2011, at 6:41 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote: Look, here's how I see it. They've been telling us for about two years that they know about the accessibility issues witth Drop Box. Every single time one of us writes them about it, all we hear back is, We're aware of the problem. I reckon it's high time one of us or maybe a bunch of us wrote them and frankly said something like this: Every single time any one of us has written you about the accessibility problems we've been having with Drop Box, all we hear from you is, We're aware of it and are working on it.. Really? Where's the evidence of your work? You keep saying that you are aware, yet, we see no results. To speak frankly, we are beginning to wonder wheterh or not you really actually care; even if you are aware. What do we have to do to make you understand that, if we're going to use your service, (especially if we're going to pay for it), we'd better be able to use it? What will it take?. Yes, I think at least one of us; or, as I said before, a number of us, ought to just put it out on the table just like that. Just one of us isn't enough. We need to do this on a daily basis until they realize that we WILL, NOT, BE, IGNORED!!! Thoughts? Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! Skype name: barefootedray Facebook: facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 On Feb 22, 2011, at 2:43 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: O can set it up fine. But you have a point there. On 22/02/2011, at 0:31, Jes Smith theeternal...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all. As far as I'm concerned, the complete inaccessibility of Drop Box on the Mac is inexcusable. And, I tell you this, if I was the CEO of Apple, developers would either write their code based on Apple's accessibility guidelines, or, there programs would just be rejected. IT's a black and white issue as far as I'm concerned. I mean, mercy! IT's bad enough that we couldn't access the drop box menu, but now that we can't even set the client up without sighted help? And honestly, I don't think petitions would do a lot for our cause. Individual complaints have been sent to drop box for over two years, and they've done nothing to show us that they hear our cries for accessibility. I'd sign the petition, but don't think it will help much. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
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well honestly I don't think it matters what we do short of a class action lawsuit because like most things noone cares unless you bust them over the head with a 2x4 lol most buisness people I uspect are abotu as stubborn as mules On Feb 22, 2011, at 1:47 PM, Scott Granados wrote: Sounds typically militant. You won't get any results with a message like this. It's the quickest way to get your requests sent to /dev/null. On Feb 22, 2011, at 3:41 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote: Look, here's how I see it. They've been telling us for about two years that they know about the accessibility issues witth Drop Box. Every single time one of us writes them about it, all we hear back is, We're aware of the problem. I reckon it's high time one of us or maybe a bunch of us wrote them and frankly said something like this: Every single time any one of us has written you about the accessibility problems we've been having with Drop Box, all we hear from you is, We're aware of it and are working on it.. Really? Where's the evidence of your work? You keep saying that you are aware, yet, we see no results. To speak frankly, we are beginning to wonder wheterh or not you really actually care; even if you are aware. What do we have to do to make you understand that, if we're going to use your service, (especially if we're going to pay for it), we'd better be able to use it? What will it take?. Yes, I think at least one of us; or, as I said before, a number of us, ought to just put it out on the table just like that. Just one of us isn't enough. We need to do this on a daily basis until they realize that we WILL, NOT, BE, IGNORED!!! Thoughts? Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! Skype name: barefootedray Facebook: facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 On Feb 22, 2011, at 2:43 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: O can set it up fine. But you have a point there. On 22/02/2011, at 0:31, Jes Smith theeternal...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all. As far as I'm concerned, the complete inaccessibility of Drop Box on the Mac is inexcusable. And, I tell you this, if I was the CEO of Apple, developers would either write their code based on Apple's accessibility guidelines, or, there programs would just be rejected. IT's a black and white issue as far as I'm concerned. I mean, mercy! IT's bad enough that we couldn't access the drop box menu, but now that we can't even set the client up without sighted help? And honestly, I don't think petitions would do a lot for our cause. Individual complaints have been sent to drop box for over two years, and they've done nothing to show us that they hear our cries for accessibility. I'd sign the petition, but don't think it will help much. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: [Bulk] Re: My 2 cents about the inaccessibility of the set up of drop box
and I'm not willing to go there. I'll probably though ask cnet if I can write up a short post about the inaccessibility of dropbox and point them to my video I did. if htey except it hten yeppy for me. more way of getting the message out there. but firsst I have 3 tests to take for my systems class. See you all later. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marri...@gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On Feb 23, 2011, at 3:05 PM, Michael Thurman wrote: well honestly I don't think it matters what we do short of a class action lawsuit because like most things noone cares unless you bust them over the head with a 2x4 lol most buisness people I uspect are abotu as stubborn as mules On Feb 22, 2011, at 1:47 PM, Scott Granados wrote: Sounds typically militant. You won't get any results with a message like this. It's the quickest way to get your requests sent to /dev/null. On Feb 22, 2011, at 3:41 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote: Look, here's how I see it. They've been telling us for about two years that they know about the accessibility issues witth Drop Box. Every single time one of us writes them about it, all we hear back is, We're aware of the problem. I reckon it's high time one of us or maybe a bunch of us wrote them and frankly said something like this: Every single time any one of us has written you about the accessibility problems we've been having with Drop Box, all we hear from you is, We're aware of it and are working on it.. Really? Where's the evidence of your work? You keep saying that you are aware, yet, we see no results. To speak frankly, we are beginning to wonder wheterh or not you really actually care; even if you are aware. What do we have to do to make you understand that, if we're going to use your service, (especially if we're going to pay for it), we'd better be able to use it? What will it take?. Yes, I think at least one of us; or, as I said before, a number of us, ought to just put it out on the table just like that. Just one of us isn't enough. We need to do this on a daily basis until they realize that we WILL, NOT, BE, IGNORED!!! Thoughts? Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! Skype name: barefootedray Facebook: facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 On Feb 22, 2011, at 2:43 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: O can set it up fine. But you have a point there. On 22/02/2011, at 0:31, Jes Smith theeternal...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all. As far as I'm concerned, the complete inaccessibility of Drop Box on the Mac is inexcusable. And, I tell you this, if I was the CEO of Apple, developers would either write their code based on Apple's accessibility guidelines, or, there programs would just be rejected. IT's a black and white issue as far as I'm concerned. I mean, mercy! IT's bad enough that we couldn't access the drop box menu, but now that we can't even set the client up without sighted help? And honestly, I don't think petitions would do a lot for our cause. Individual complaints have been sent to drop box for over two years, and they've done nothing to show us that they hear our cries for accessibility. I'd sign the petition, but don't think it will help much. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this
Re: [Bulk] Re: My 2 cents about the inaccessibility of the set up of drop box
Hi. Ok I wrote to dropbox yesterday, and I got an answer back, where they asked me if I could give them more details. I think that, if you write a mail to them, and describes the problems, I think they will try to solve it, that's how I understand it. we need to be positive, when we are writing to developers, that gives a lot. I have got a lot accessibility in that way. Best regards Annie. On 24/02/2011, at 00.05, Michael Thurman wrote: well honestly I don't think it matters what we do short of a class action lawsuit because like most things noone cares unless you bust them over the head with a 2x4 lol most buisness people I uspect are abotu as stubborn as mules On Feb 22, 2011, at 1:47 PM, Scott Granados wrote: Sounds typically militant. You won't get any results with a message like this. It's the quickest way to get your requests sent to /dev/null. On Feb 22, 2011, at 3:41 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote: Look, here's how I see it. They've been telling us for about two years that they know about the accessibility issues witth Drop Box. Every single time one of us writes them about it, all we hear back is, We're aware of the problem. I reckon it's high time one of us or maybe a bunch of us wrote them and frankly said something like this: Every single time any one of us has written you about the accessibility problems we've been having with Drop Box, all we hear from you is, We're aware of it and are working on it.. Really? Where's the evidence of your work? You keep saying that you are aware, yet, we see no results. To speak frankly, we are beginning to wonder wheterh or not you really actually care; even if you are aware. What do we have to do to make you understand that, if we're going to use your service, (especially if we're going to pay for it), we'd better be able to use it? What will it take?. Yes, I think at least one of us; or, as I said before, a number of us, ought to just put it out on the table just like that. Just one of us isn't enough. We need to do this on a daily basis until they realize that we WILL, NOT, BE, IGNORED!!! Thoughts? Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! Skype name: barefootedray Facebook: facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 On Feb 22, 2011, at 2:43 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: O can set it up fine. But you have a point there. On 22/02/2011, at 0:31, Jes Smith theeternal...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all. As far as I'm concerned, the complete inaccessibility of Drop Box on the Mac is inexcusable. And, I tell you this, if I was the CEO of Apple, developers would either write their code based on Apple's accessibility guidelines, or, there programs would just be rejected. IT's a black and white issue as far as I'm concerned. I mean, mercy! IT's bad enough that we couldn't access the drop box menu, but now that we can't even set the client up without sighted help? And honestly, I don't think petitions would do a lot for our cause. Individual complaints have been sent to drop box for over two years, and they've done nothing to show us that they hear our cries for accessibility. I'd sign the petition, but don't think it will help much. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
Re: [Bulk] Re: My 2 cents about the inaccessibility of the set up of drop box
that's what I did as well and they asked me for more details as well and then they said we are aware of it and working tward a fix. that was a year ago and again a few months ago and again last month. I've given up and will take this to CNET news as soon as I have the time to write something up. Take care all. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marri...@gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On Feb 23, 2011, at 3:10 PM, Annie Skov Nielsen wrote: Hi. Ok I wrote to dropbox yesterday, and I got an answer back, where they asked me if I could give them more details. I think that, if you write a mail to them, and describes the problems, I think they will try to solve it, that's how I understand it. we need to be positive, when we are writing to developers, that gives a lot. I have got a lot accessibility in that way. Best regards Annie. On 24/02/2011, at 00.05, Michael Thurman wrote: well honestly I don't think it matters what we do short of a class action lawsuit because like most things noone cares unless you bust them over the head with a 2x4 lol most buisness people I uspect are abotu as stubborn as mules On Feb 22, 2011, at 1:47 PM, Scott Granados wrote: Sounds typically militant. You won't get any results with a message like this. It's the quickest way to get your requests sent to /dev/null. On Feb 22, 2011, at 3:41 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote: Look, here's how I see it. They've been telling us for about two years that they know about the accessibility issues witth Drop Box. Every single time one of us writes them about it, all we hear back is, We're aware of the problem. I reckon it's high time one of us or maybe a bunch of us wrote them and frankly said something like this: Every single time any one of us has written you about the accessibility problems we've been having with Drop Box, all we hear from you is, We're aware of it and are working on it.. Really? Where's the evidence of your work? You keep saying that you are aware, yet, we see no results. To speak frankly, we are beginning to wonder wheterh or not you really actually care; even if you are aware. What do we have to do to make you understand that, if we're going to use your service, (especially if we're going to pay for it), we'd better be able to use it? What will it take?. Yes, I think at least one of us; or, as I said before, a number of us, ought to just put it out on the table just like that. Just one of us isn't enough. We need to do this on a daily basis until they realize that we WILL, NOT, BE, IGNORED!!! Thoughts? Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! Skype name: barefootedray Facebook: facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 On Feb 22, 2011, at 2:43 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: O can set it up fine. But you have a point there. On 22/02/2011, at 0:31, Jes Smith theeternal...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all. As far as I'm concerned, the complete inaccessibility of Drop Box on the Mac is inexcusable. And, I tell you this, if I was the CEO of Apple, developers would either write their code based on Apple's accessibility guidelines, or, there programs would just be rejected. IT's a black and white issue as far as I'm concerned. I mean, mercy! IT's bad enough that we couldn't access the drop box menu, but now that we can't even set the client up without sighted help? And honestly, I don't think petitions would do a lot for our cause. Individual complaints have been sent to drop box for over two years, and they've done nothing to show us that they hear our cries for accessibility. I'd sign the petition, but don't think it will help much. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this
Re: [Bulk] Re: My 2 cents about the inaccessibility of the set up of drop box
Like I said they don't care and they don't have to. Every one that put me down for saying the above what do you have to say now. On Feb 23, 2011, at 3:05 PM, Michael Thurman wrote: well honestly I don't think it matters what we do short of a class action lawsuit because like most things noone cares unless you bust them over the head with a 2x4 lol most buisness people I uspect are abotu as stubborn as mules On Feb 22, 2011, at 1:47 PM, Scott Granados wrote: Sounds typically militant. You won't get any results with a message like this. It's the quickest way to get your requests sent to /dev/null. On Feb 22, 2011, at 3:41 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote: Look, here's how I see it. They've been telling us for about two years that they know about the accessibility issues witth Drop Box. Every single time one of us writes them about it, all we hear back is, We're aware of the problem. I reckon it's high time one of us or maybe a bunch of us wrote them and frankly said something like this: Every single time any one of us has written you about the accessibility problems we've been having with Drop Box, all we hear from you is, We're aware of it and are working on it.. Really? Where's the evidence of your work? You keep saying that you are aware, yet, we see no results. To speak frankly, we are beginning to wonder wheterh or not you really actually care; even if you are aware. What do we have to do to make you understand that, if we're going to use your service, (especially if we're going to pay for it), we'd better be able to use it? What will it take?. Yes, I think at least one of us; or, as I said before, a number of us, ought to just put it out on the table just like that. Just one of us isn't enough. We need to do this on a daily basis until they realize that we WILL, NOT, BE, IGNORED!!! Thoughts? Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! Skype name: barefootedray Facebook: facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 On Feb 22, 2011, at 2:43 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: O can set it up fine. But you have a point there. On 22/02/2011, at 0:31, Jes Smith theeternal...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all. As far as I'm concerned, the complete inaccessibility of Drop Box on the Mac is inexcusable. And, I tell you this, if I was the CEO of Apple, developers would either write their code based on Apple's accessibility guidelines, or, there programs would just be rejected. IT's a black and white issue as far as I'm concerned. I mean, mercy! IT's bad enough that we couldn't access the drop box menu, but now that we can't even set the client up without sighted help? And honestly, I don't think petitions would do a lot for our cause. Individual complaints have been sent to drop box for over two years, and they've done nothing to show us that they hear our cries for accessibility. I'd sign the petition, but don't think it will help much. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. louie louiem...@wavecable.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this
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Are you suggesting that every developer should make sure that every app is VO accessible before the app store carries it? That wuld be tantamount to saying that every app must be availble in, insert obscure written language here, before it could be sold in the iTunes store. So, I say to pick your battles and try to be nice to the folks you're negotiating with. Jim On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 04:27:51PM -0800, louie wrote: Like I said they don't care and they don't have to. Every one that put me down for saying the above what do you have to say now. On Feb 23, 2011, at 3:05 PM, Michael Thurman wrote: well honestly I don't think it matters what we do short of a class action lawsuit because like most things noone cares unless you bust them over the head with a 2x4 lol most buisness people I uspect are abotu as stubborn as mules On Feb 22, 2011, at 1:47 PM, Scott Granados wrote: Sounds typically militant. You won't get any results with a message like this. It's the quickest way to get your requests sent to /dev/null. On Feb 22, 2011, at 3:41 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote: Look, here's how I see it. They've been telling us for about two years that they know about the accessibility issues witth Drop Box. Every single time one of us writes them about it, all we hear back is, We're aware of the problem. I reckon it's high time one of us or maybe a bunch of us wrote them and frankly said something like this: Every single time any one of us has written you about the accessibility problems we've been having with Drop Box, all we hear from you is, We're aware of it and are working on it.. Really? Where's the evidence of your work? You keep saying that you are aware, yet, we see no results. To speak frankly, we are beginning to wonder wheterh or not you really actually care; even if you are aware. What do we have to do to make you understand that, if we're going to use your service, (especially if we're going to pay for it), we'd better be able to use it? What will it take?. Yes, I think at least one of us; or, as I said before, a number of us, ought to just put it out on the table just like that. Just one of us isn't enough. We need to do this on a daily basis until they realize that we WILL, NOT, BE, IGNORED!!! Thoughts? Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! Skype name: barefootedray Facebook: facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 On Feb 22, 2011, at 2:43 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: O can set it up fine. But you have a point there. On 22/02/2011, at 0:31, Jes Smith theeternal...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all. As far as I'm concerned, the complete inaccessibility of Drop Box on the Mac is inexcusable. And, I tell you this, if I was the CEO of Apple, developers would either write their code based on Apple's accessibility guidelines, or, there programs would just be rejected. IT's a black and white issue as far as I'm concerned. I mean, mercy! IT's bad enough that we couldn't access the drop box menu, but now that we can't even set the client up without sighted help? And honestly, I don't think petitions would do a lot for our cause. Individual complaints have been sent to drop box for over two years, and they've done nothing to show us that they hear our cries for accessibility. I'd sign the petition, but don't think it will help much. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at
Re: [Bulk] Re: My 2 cents about the inaccessibility of the set up of drop box
Er, apologies for the reference to the iTunes store. I forgot which list I was writing to. My point stands though. It is not realistic to assume that every Mac application should be voiceover friendly before the developer can make money from it. Jim On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 04:39:40PM -0800, Jim Barbour wrote: Are you suggesting that every developer should make sure that every app is VO accessible before the app store carries it? That wuld be tantamount to saying that every app must be availble in, insert obscure written language here, before it could be sold in the iTunes store. So, I say to pick your battles and try to be nice to the folks you're negotiating with. Jim On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 04:27:51PM -0800, louie wrote: Like I said they don't care and they don't have to. Every one that put me down for saying the above what do you have to say now. On Feb 23, 2011, at 3:05 PM, Michael Thurman wrote: well honestly I don't think it matters what we do short of a class action lawsuit because like most things noone cares unless you bust them over the head with a 2x4 lol most buisness people I uspect are abotu as stubborn as mules On Feb 22, 2011, at 1:47 PM, Scott Granados wrote: Sounds typically militant. You won't get any results with a message like this. It's the quickest way to get your requests sent to /dev/null. On Feb 22, 2011, at 3:41 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote: Look, here's how I see it. They've been telling us for about two years that they know about the accessibility issues witth Drop Box. Every single time one of us writes them about it, all we hear back is, We're aware of the problem. I reckon it's high time one of us or maybe a bunch of us wrote them and frankly said something like this: Every single time any one of us has written you about the accessibility problems we've been having with Drop Box, all we hear from you is, We're aware of it and are working on it.. Really? Where's the evidence of your work? You keep saying that you are aware, yet, we see no results. To speak frankly, we are beginning to wonder wheterh or not you really actually care; even if you are aware. What do we have to do to make you understand that, if we're going to use your service, (especially if we're going to pay for it), we'd better be able to use it? What will it take?. Yes, I think at least one of us; or, as I said before, a number of us, ought to just put it out on the table just like that. Just one of us isn't enough. We need to do this on a daily basis until they realize that we WILL, NOT, BE, IGNORED!!! Thoughts? Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! Skype name: barefootedray Facebook: facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 On Feb 22, 2011, at 2:43 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: O can set it up fine. But you have a point there. On 22/02/2011, at 0:31, Jes Smith theeternal...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all. As far as I'm concerned, the complete inaccessibility of Drop Box on the Mac is inexcusable. And, I tell you this, if I was the CEO of Apple, developers would either write their code based on Apple's accessibility guidelines, or, there programs would just be rejected. IT's a black and white issue as far as I'm concerned. I mean, mercy! IT's bad enough that we couldn't access the drop box menu, but now that we can't even set the client up without sighted help? And honestly, I don't think petitions would do a lot for our cause. Individual complaints have been sent to drop box for over two years, and they've done nothing to show us that they hear our cries for accessibility. I'd sign the petition, but don't think it will help much. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit
Re: [Bulk] Re: My 2 cents about the inaccessibility of the set up of drop box
Look, here's how I see it. They've been telling us for about two years that they know about the accessibility issues witth Drop Box. Every single time one of us writes them about it, all we hear back is, We're aware of the problem. I reckon it's high time one of us or maybe a bunch of us wrote them and frankly said something like this: Every single time any one of us has written you about the accessibility problems we've been having with Drop Box, all we hear from you is, We're aware of it and are working on it.. Really? Where's the evidence of your work? You keep saying that you are aware, yet, we see no results. To speak frankly, we are beginning to wonder wheterh or not you really actually care; even if you are aware. What do we have to do to make you understand that, if we're going to use your service, (especially if we're going to pay for it), we'd better be able to use it? What will it take?. Yes, I think at least one of us; or, as I said before, a number of us, ought to just put it out on the table just like that. Just one of us isn't enough. We need to do this on a daily basis until they realize that we WILL, NOT, BE, IGNORED!!! Thoughts? Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! Skype name: barefootedray Facebook: facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 On Feb 22, 2011, at 2:43 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: O can set it up fine. But you have a point there. On 22/02/2011, at 0:31, Jes Smith theeternal...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all. As far as I'm concerned, the complete inaccessibility of Drop Box on the Mac is inexcusable. And, I tell you this, if I was the CEO of Apple, developers would either write their code based on Apple's accessibility guidelines, or, there programs would just be rejected. IT's a black and white issue as far as I'm concerned. I mean, mercy! IT's bad enough that we couldn't access the drop box menu, but now that we can't even set the client up without sighted help? And honestly, I don't think petitions would do a lot for our cause. Individual complaints have been sent to drop box for over two years, and they've done nothing to show us that they hear our cries for accessibility. I'd sign the petition, but don't think it will help much. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: [Bulk] Re: My 2 cents about the inaccessibility of the set up of drop box
Why not just get a mobile me account and use iDisk instead? Hit them where it hurts, their wallet and vote with your wallet On 22 Feb 2011, at 11:41, Ray Foret Jr wrote: Look, here's how I see it. They've been telling us for about two years that they know about the accessibility issues witth Drop Box. Every single time one of us writes them about it, all we hear back is, We're aware of the problem. I reckon it's high time one of us or maybe a bunch of us wrote them and frankly said something like this: Every single time any one of us has written you about the accessibility problems we've been having with Drop Box, all we hear from you is, We're aware of it and are working on it.. Really? Where's the evidence of your work? You keep saying that you are aware, yet, we see no results. To speak frankly, we are beginning to wonder wheterh or not you really actually care; even if you are aware. What do we have to do to make you understand that, if we're going to use your service, (especially if we're going to pay for it), we'd better be able to use it? What will it take?. Yes, I think at least one of us; or, as I said before, a number of us, ought to just put it out on the table just like that. Just one of us isn't enough. We need to do this on a daily basis until they realize that we WILL, NOT, BE, IGNORED!!! Thoughts? Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! Skype name: barefootedray Facebook: facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 On Feb 22, 2011, at 2:43 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: O can set it up fine. But you have a point there. On 22/02/2011, at 0:31, Jes Smith theeternal...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all. As far as I'm concerned, the complete inaccessibility of Drop Box on the Mac is inexcusable. And, I tell you this, if I was the CEO of Apple, developers would either write their code based on Apple's accessibility guidelines, or, there programs would just be rejected. IT's a black and white issue as far as I'm concerned. I mean, mercy! IT's bad enough that we couldn't access the drop box menu, but now that we can't even set the client up without sighted help? And honestly, I don't think petitions would do a lot for our cause. Individual complaints have been sent to drop box for over two years, and they've done nothing to show us that they hear our cries for accessibility. I'd sign the petition, but don't think it will help much. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: [Bulk] Re: My 2 cents about the inaccessibility of the set up of drop box
You write: Every single time any one of us has written you about the accessibility problems we've been having with Drop Box, all we hear from you is, We're aware of it and are working on it.. Really? Where's the evidence of your work? You keep saying that you are aware, yet, we see no results. To speak frankly, we are beginning to wonder whether or not you really actually care; even if you are aware. What do we have to do to make you understand that, if we're going to use your service, (especially if we're going to pay for it), we'd better be able to use it? What will it take?. Business people don't respond well to insult and veiled threat, even if the correspondence is well founded. Instead You might say: _ Many blind and visually impaired consumers have contacted your firm with accessibility issues regarding Drop Box. They are told, We're aware of it and are working on it. Because your product is of high value to these consumers, they are most interested in any progress you have made toward making Drop Box more accessible. Could you share with this community what specific steps you have taking so far toward accessibility? Respectfully, Steve From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ray Foret Jr Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 6:42 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: My 2 cents about the inaccessibility of the set up of drop box Look, here's how I see it. They've been telling us for about two years that they know about the accessibility issues witth Drop Box. Every single time one of us writes them about it, all we hear back is, We're aware of the problem. I reckon it's high time one of us or maybe a bunch of us wrote them and frankly said something like this: Every single time any one of us has written you about the accessibility problems we've been having with Drop Box, all we hear from you is, We're aware of it and are working on it.. Really? Where's the evidence of your work? You keep saying that you are aware, yet, we see no results. To speak frankly, we are beginning to wonder wheterh or not you really actually care; even if you are aware. What do we have to do to make you understand that, if we're going to use your service, (especially if we're going to pay for it), we'd better be able to use it? What will it take?. Yes, I think at least one of us; or, as I said before, a number of us, ought to just put it out on the table just like that. Just one of us isn't enough. We need to do this on a daily basis until they realize that we WILL, NOT, BE, IGNORED!!! Thoughts? Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! Skype name: barefootedray Facebook: facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 http://www.facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 On Feb 22, 2011, at 2:43 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: O can set it up fine. But you have a point there. On 22/02/2011, at 0:31, Jes Smith theeternal...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all. As far as I'm concerned, the complete inaccessibility of Drop Box on the Mac is inexcusable. And, I tell you this, if I was the CEO of Apple, developers would either write their code based on Apple's accessibility guidelines, or, there programs would just be rejected. IT's a black and white issue as far as I'm concerned. I mean, mercy! IT's bad enough that we couldn't access the drop box menu, but now that we can't even set the client up without sighted help? And honestly, I don't think petitions would do a lot for our cause. Individual complaints have been sent to drop box for over two years, and they've done nothing to show us that they hear our cries for accessibility. I'd sign the petition, but don't think it will help much. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send
Re: [Bulk] Re: My 2 cents about the inaccessibility of the set up of drop box
Good point. Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! Skype name: barefootedray Facebook: facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 On Feb 22, 2011, at 11:33 AM, Steve Gladstone wrote: You write: Every single time any one of us has written you about the accessibility problems we've been having with Drop Box, all we hear from you is, We're aware of it and are working on it.. Really? Where's the evidence of your work? You keep saying that you are aware, yet, we see no results. To speak frankly, we are beginning to wonder whether or not you really actually care; even if you are aware. What do we have to do to make you understand that, if we're going to use your service, (especially if we're going to pay for it), we'd better be able to use it? What will it take?. Business people don’t respond well to insult and veiled threat, even if the correspondence is well founded. Instead You might say: Many blind and visually impaired consumers have contacted your firm with accessibility issues regarding Drop Box. They are told, We're aware of it and are working on it. Because your product is of high value to these consumers, they are most interested in any progress you have made toward making Drop Box more accessible. Could you share with this community what specific steps you have taking so far toward accessibility?” Respectfully, Steve From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ray Foret Jr Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 6:42 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: My 2 cents about the inaccessibility of the set up of drop box Look, here's how I see it. They've been telling us for about two years that they know about the accessibility issues witth Drop Box. Every single time one of us writes them about it, all we hear back is, We're aware of the problem. I reckon it's high time one of us or maybe a bunch of us wrote them and frankly said something like this: Every single time any one of us has written you about the accessibility problems we've been having with Drop Box, all we hear from you is, We're aware of it and are working on it.. Really? Where's the evidence of your work? You keep saying that you are aware, yet, we see no results. To speak frankly, we are beginning to wonder wheterh or not you really actually care; even if you are aware. What do we have to do to make you understand that, if we're going to use your service, (especially if we're going to pay for it), we'd better be able to use it? What will it take?. Yes, I think at least one of us; or, as I said before, a number of us, ought to just put it out on the table just like that. Just one of us isn't enough. We need to do this on a daily basis until they realize that we WILL, NOT, BE, IGNORED!!! Thoughts? Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! Skype name: barefootedray Facebook: facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 On Feb 22, 2011, at 2:43 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: O can set it up fine. But you have a point there. On 22/02/2011, at 0:31, Jes Smith theeternal...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all. As far as I'm concerned, the complete inaccessibility of Drop Box on the Mac is inexcusable. And, I tell you this, if I was the CEO of Apple, developers would either write their code based on Apple's accessibility guidelines, or, there programs would just be rejected. IT's a black and white issue as far as I'm concerned. I mean, mercy! IT's bad enough that we couldn't access the drop box menu, but now that we can't even set the client up without sighted help? And honestly, I don't think petitions would do a lot for our cause. Individual complaints have been sent to drop box for over two years, and they've done nothing to show us that they hear our cries for accessibility. I'd sign the petition, but don't think it will help much. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to
Re: [Bulk] Re: My 2 cents about the inaccessibility of the set up of drop box
Actualy it's the same version free or paid so the only difference you get is the amount of space. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marri...@gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On Feb 22, 2011, at 4:05 AM, Colin M wrote: Hi all! You bring up a good point Ray! Does anyone know if the paid version is accessible because if it is then they want you to buy the full version! If it is not It's back to being vo Mac users are not still big enough group to be bothered about! Or that's what they think or presume! I'm not sure of the best way to get them to change but maybe a general posting on utube or something like that may work! Like Ray says more than one person! :] I'll put my name to a list! Colin I'm far too bad for Heaven! The Devil is afraid I'll take his place! On 22 Feb 2011, at 11:41, Ray Foret Jr wrote: Look, here's how I see it. They've been telling us for about two years that they know about the accessibility issues witth Drop Box. Every single time one of us writes them about it, all we hear back is, We're aware of the problem. I reckon it's high time one of us or maybe a bunch of us wrote them and frankly said something like this: Every single time any one of us has written you about the accessibility problems we've been having with Drop Box, all we hear from you is, We're aware of it and are working on it.. Really? Where's the evidence of your work? You keep saying that you are aware, yet, we see no results. To speak frankly, we are beginning to wonder wheterh or not you really actually care; even if you are aware. What do we have to do to make you understand that, if we're going to use your service, (especially if we're going to pay for it), we'd better be able to use it? What will it take?. Yes, I think at least one of us; or, as I said before, a number of us, ought to just put it out on the table just like that. Just one of us isn't enough. We need to do this on a daily basis until they realize that we WILL, NOT, BE, IGNORED!!! Thoughts? Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! Skype name: barefootedray Facebook: facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 On Feb 22, 2011, at 2:43 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: O can set it up fine. But you have a point there. On 22/02/2011, at 0:31, Jes Smith theeternal...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all. As far as I'm concerned, the complete inaccessibility of Drop Box on the Mac is inexcusable. And, I tell you this, if I was the CEO of Apple, developers would either write their code based on Apple's accessibility guidelines, or, there programs would just be rejected. IT's a black and white issue as far as I'm concerned. I mean, mercy! IT's bad enough that we couldn't access the drop box menu, but now that we can't even set the client up without sighted help? And honestly, I don't think petitions would do a lot for our cause. Individual complaints have been sent to drop box for over two years, and they've done nothing to show us that they hear our cries for accessibility. I'd sign the petition, but don't think it will help much. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to
