Re: Can't read mail from a listserv, help please

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

I did check for attachments, and they’re aren’t any.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Dec 31, 2023, at 5:06 PM, 'Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries 
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> On 31/12/23 16:44, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> so I have to believe that this is something going on on my end.  Perhaps 
>> something to do with the handling of remote content?
> Have you checked the messages for attachments?
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Re: Can't read mail from a listserv, help please

[joseph hudson]

Well, if I saw an email, I could probably tell you how to navigate it. So since 
I don't know which list it is, I can't subscribe and take a look at it for you. 
So possibly checking for attachments would probably be the best bet.
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> On Dec 31, 2023, at 3:51 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> No, it’s not that list, it’s a different one.
> Best,
> Donna
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>> On Dec 31, 2023, at 3:47 PM, joseph hudson  wrote:
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>> Are you talking about the Tech being announced list that is rain by David 
>> Goldfield? I'm able to read his articles just fine. Perhaps something is 
>> going funky with your Mail program.
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>>> On Dec 31, 2023, at 3:44 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I am on a list which distributes articles from other sources.  For about 
>>> the last two weeks or so, I cannot read the messages from this listserv.  
>>> All that shows up are a bunch of blank lines, and the unsubscribe link.  
>>> I’ve contacted the list mod, and everything looks fine on his end, so I 
>>> have to believe that this is something going on on my end.  Perhaps 
>>> something to do with the handling of remote content?  Anyone have any 
>>> thoughts about what might be going on, or how I can troubleshoot?
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna 
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Re: Can't read mail from a listserv, help please

['Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries]

On 31/12/23 16:44, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

so I have to believe that this is something going on on my end.  Perhaps 
something to do with the handling of remote content?

Have you checked the messages for attachments?

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Re: Can't read mail from a listserv, help please

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

No, it’s not that list, it’s a different one.
Best,
Donna

> On Dec 31, 2023, at 3:47 PM, joseph hudson  wrote:
> 
> Are you talking about the Tech being announced list that is rain by David 
> Goldfield? I'm able to read his articles just fine. Perhaps something is 
> going funky with your Mail program.
> Joseph Hudson
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>> On Dec 31, 2023, at 3:44 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I am on a list which distributes articles from other sources.  For about the 
>> last two weeks or so, I cannot read the messages from this listserv.  All 
>> that shows up are a bunch of blank lines, and the unsubscribe link.  I’ve 
>> contacted the list mod, and everything looks fine on his end, so I have to 
>> believe that this is something going on on my end.  Perhaps something to do 
>> with the handling of remote content?  Anyone have any thoughts about what 
>> might be going on, or how I can troubleshoot?
>> TIA,
>> Donna 
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Re: Can't read mail from a listserv, help please

[joseph hudson]

Are you talking about the Tech being announced list that is rain by David 
Goldfield? I'm able to read his articles just fine. Perhaps something is going 
funky with your Mail program.
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> On Dec 31, 2023, at 3:44 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I am on a list which distributes articles from other sources.  For about the 
> last two weeks or so, I cannot read the messages from this listserv.  All 
> that shows up are a bunch of blank lines, and the unsubscribe link.  I’ve 
> contacted the list mod, and everything looks fine on his end, so I have to 
> believe that this is something going on on my end.  Perhaps something to do 
> with the handling of remote content?  Anyone have any thoughts about what 
> might be going on, or how I can troubleshoot?
> TIA,
> Donna 
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Can't read mail from a listserv, help please

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi all,

I am on a list which distributes articles from other sources.  For about the 
last two weeks or so, I cannot read the messages from this listserv.  All that 
shows up are a bunch of blank lines, and the unsubscribe link.  I’ve contacted 
the list mod, and everything looks fine on his end, so I have to believe that 
this is something going on on my end.  Perhaps something to do with the 
handling of remote content?  Anyone have any thoughts about what might be going 
on, or how I can troubleshoot?
TIA,
Donna 

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Re: I've tried multiple times to reset a HomePod. Help please

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Jonathan,

Wow, that’s very cool! If you ever learn how she did it, let me know.

And yes, I’m always surprised how long it takes a HomePod to reset.  I’ve reset 
minis often, because I take them with me when I travel.  But HomePods really do 
seem to take a while.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Nov 4, 2023, at 7:36 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
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> That sounds essentially like what we did, I believe timing is important 
> though. Also, somehow my wife was able to get the HomePod to recognize her 
> iPhone hotspot in addition to our home network, then anytime our provider 
> messes with the router, she is still able to manage the HomePod and redirect 
> it to the home network without rebooting or resetting.
> I wish I could give more details, but I’m not sure how she managed this.
> Also, HomePods take longer to reset to factory than you would expect.
> 
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 4, 2023, at 4:58 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
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>> Hi all,
>> 
>> As I’ve said, I’ve tried multiple times to reset a HomePod with no luck.  
>> I’ve unplugged it, left it unplugged for a minute, the, plugged it in, and 
>> pressed down on the play button, but it doesn’t reset.  Am I doing something 
>> wrong?  Is there some new trick with the update to IOS 17?
>> TIA,
>> Donna
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Re: I've tried multiple times to reset a HomePod. Help please

[Jonathan Cohn]

That sounds essentially like what we did, I believe timing is important though. 
Also, somehow my wife was able to get the HomePod to recognize her iPhone 
hotspot in addition to our home network, then anytime our provider messes with 
the router, she is still able to manage the HomePod and redirect it to the home 
network without rebooting or resetting.
I wish I could give more details, but I’m not sure how she managed this.
Also, HomePods take longer to reset to factory than you would expect.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Nov 4, 2023, at 4:58 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
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> Hi all,
> 
> As I’ve said, I’ve tried multiple times to reset a HomePod with no luck.  
> I’ve unplugged it, left it unplugged for a minute, the, plugged it in, and 
> pressed down on the play button, but it doesn’t reset.  Am I doing something 
> wrong?  Is there some new trick with the update to IOS 17?
> TIA,
> Donna
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I've tried multiple times to reset a HomePod. Help please

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi all,

As I’ve said, I’ve tried multiple times to reset a HomePod with no luck.  I’ve 
unplugged it, left it unplugged for a minute, the, plugged it in, and pressed 
down on the play button, but it doesn’t reset.  Am I doing something wrong?  Is 
there some new trick with the update to IOS 17?
TIA,
Donna

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RE: Basic Safari navigation help please

[Fazil M.]

Command-left bracket takes us back to the last page.
Hth.
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Subject: Basic Safari navigation help please

hi,
How do I go back a page in safari? Any other help with basic safari navigation 
would be appreciated.
Is there anyway to find targeted information like this in the VO users guide? 
It seems I always have to wade through a ton of information to possibly find 
what I’m looking for, but more times than not I am unsuccessful.
Thanks in advance. Marlene

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Basic Safari navigation help please

[Marlene Kramer]

hi,
How do I go back a page in safari? Any other help with basic safari navigation 
would be appreciated.
Is there anyway to find targeted information like this in the VO users guide? 
It seems I always have to wade through a ton of information to possibly find 
what I’m looking for, but more times than not I am unsuccessful.
Thanks in advance. Marlene

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Re: Mac Mail app problem "This mail has no content"" Help please

['ja...@jasonjgw.net' via MacVisionaries]

I expect all the “not responding” messages will go away as Apple developers 
rewrite and replace older user interface components in Mac OS, some of which 
probably date back to the days of the NextStep operating system. So, whenever 
Mail has its user interface rewritten to take advantage of new components, the 
VoiceOver performance issues will probably be eliminated.
That’s my educated guess. I’m confident that the problems are in user interface 
libraries and applications, more than in VoiceOver itself, which is why it will 
take time for old code that wasn’t originally designed with accessibility in 
mind to be superseded by something better.
Interestingly, Apple developers do seem to be rewriting and replacing 
application user interfaces with new code over time. This year, for example, 
it’s the System Preferences application, which is reportedly going to be 
renamed to System Settings, marking a major redesign.

From: 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
Date: Friday, 24June, 2022 at 05:01
To: Accessibility Macvisionaries Groups 
Subject: Re: Mac Mail app problem "This mail has no content"" Help please
Hi Lorie, yes I get the repeating ‘mail not responding’ message frequently. Ron.




> On 24 Jun 2022, at 09:45, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>
> I know that's not the case with me but I get a different message. mine says: 
> "Mail not responding." it's worse than Safari.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 23, 2022, at 8:48 PM, Dave Carlson  wrote:
>
> Sounds to me like you don’t have a connection to your service provider.
>
> Dave Carlson
> Woodworker, Farfar, Oregonian, pioneer, engineer, and Musician
>
>
> On Jun 23, 2022, at 10:57 AM, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
>
> Hi Tim, no luck with that as they are still not showing any content after 
> several days of having the Mail app running. Ron.
>
>
>> On 23 Jun 2022, at 18:30, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Waiting should usually help.  Don’t wait while the message is open, just 
>> while it is sitting in the list of messages.  More complicated message 
>> content seems to take a bit to get all organized.
>>
>> Later…
>>
>>
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>
>>> On Jun 22, 2022, at 15:18, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>>>
>>> yes my experience too. sometimes I have to wait for 5 min. or more and 
>>> sometimes it never loads.
>>>
>>>> On Jun 22, 2022, at 4:25 PM, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Tim, thanks for the reply, but time doesn’t make any difference, Ron.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On 22 Jun 2022, at 18:00, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> Just give it some time to load and that will go away.
>>>>>
>>>>> Later...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jun 22, 2022, at 8:29 AM, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi there, I am getting the above message in mail from time to time. It 
>>>>>> is mostly from one email sender but not exclusively. When I try to enter 
>>>>>> the mail area I get “text”, but nothing else. I have been told by a 
>>>>>> sighted person that there is a link saying something like “click to 
>>>>>> download content” and if clicked it does download the message. However 
>>>>>> voiceover does not see any link to click.
>>>>>> I have been through various settings and remote content blocking isn’t 
>>>>>> selected. I am using AOL mail and this is intermittent. If I use my 
>>>>>> Iphone then the message is there to read.
>>>>>> I thought this had been mentioned before but I cannot find it in the 
>>>>>> archives.
>>>>>> Any advice would be appreciated, Ron.
>>>>>>
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Re: Mac Mail app problem "This mail has no content"" Help please

['Ron S' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Lorie, yes I get the repeating ‘mail not responding’ message frequently. Ron.




> On 24 Jun 2022, at 09:45, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> I know that's not the case with me but I get a different message. mine says: 
> "Mail not responding." it's worse than Safari.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jun 23, 2022, at 8:48 PM, Dave Carlson  wrote:
> 
> Sounds to me like you don’t have a connection to your service provider.
> 
> Dave Carlson
> Woodworker, Farfar, Oregonian, pioneer, engineer, and Musician
> 
> 
> On Jun 23, 2022, at 10:57 AM, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim, no luck with that as they are still not showing any content after 
> several days of having the Mail app running. Ron.
> 
> 
>> On 23 Jun 2022, at 18:30, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Waiting should usually help.  Don’t wait while the message is open, just 
>> while it is sitting in the list of messages.  More complicated message 
>> content seems to take a bit to get all organized.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On Jun 22, 2022, at 15:18, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>>> 
>>> yes my experience too. sometimes I have to wait for 5 min. or more and 
>>> sometimes it never loads.
>>> 
 On Jun 22, 2022, at 4:25 PM, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 Hi Tim, thanks for the reply, but time doesn’t make any difference, Ron.
 
 
> On 22 Jun 2022, at 18:00, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Just give it some time to load and that will go away. 
> 
> Later... 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 22, 2022, at 8:29 AM, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi there, I am getting the above message in mail from time to time. It 
>> is mostly from one email sender but not exclusively. When I try to enter 
>> the mail area I get “text”, but nothing else. I have been told by a 
>> sighted person that there is a link saying something like “click to 
>> download content” and if clicked it does download the message. However 
>> voiceover does not see any link to click. 
>> I have been through various settings and remote content blocking isn’t 
>> selected. I am using AOL mail and this is intermittent. If I use my 
>> Iphone then the message is there to read.
>> I thought this had been mentioned before but I cannot find it in the 
>> archives.
>> Any advice would be appreciated, Ron.
>> 
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Re: Mac Mail app problem "This mail has no content"" Help please

['Ron S' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Dave, it does sound like that is the case, but restarting the mail and 
laptop etc gives the same result while other messages load okay,thanks Rom.




> On 24 Jun 2022, at 02:48, Dave Carlson  wrote:
> 
> Sounds to me like you don’t have a connection to your service provider.
> 
> Dave Carlson
> Woodworker, Farfar, Oregonian, pioneer, engineer, and Musician
> 
> 
> On Jun 23, 2022, at 10:57 AM, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim, no luck with that as they are still not showing any content after 
> several days of having the Mail app running. Ron.
> 
> 
>> On 23 Jun 2022, at 18:30, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Waiting should usually help.  Don’t wait while the message is open, just 
>> while it is sitting in the list of messages.  More complicated message 
>> content seems to take a bit to get all organized.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On Jun 22, 2022, at 15:18, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>>> 
>>> yes my experience too. sometimes I have to wait for 5 min. or more and 
>>> sometimes it never loads.
>>> 
 On Jun 22, 2022, at 4:25 PM, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 Hi Tim, thanks for the reply, but time doesn’t make any difference, Ron.
 
 
> On 22 Jun 2022, at 18:00, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Just give it some time to load and that will go away. 
> 
> Later... 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 22, 2022, at 8:29 AM, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi there, I am getting the above message in mail from time to time. It 
>> is mostly from one email sender but not exclusively. When I try to enter 
>> the mail area I get “text”, but nothing else. I have been told by a 
>> sighted person that there is a link saying something like “click to 
>> download content” and if clicked it does download the message. However 
>> voiceover does not see any link to click. 
>> I have been through various settings and remote content blocking isn’t 
>> selected. I am using AOL mail and this is intermittent. If I use my 
>> Iphone then the message is there to read.
>> I thought this had been mentioned before but I cannot find it in the 
>> archives.
>> Any advice would be appreciated, Ron.
>> 
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Re: Mac Mail app problem "This mail has no content"" Help please

['Ron S' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Jürgen, if I fwd I get the same message  of no content on mac mail but also 
on  my Iphone now for this particular message, thanks Ron.


On 23 Jun 2022, at 19:12, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
> 
> What about forwarding it to your self? 
> 
> 
> Von meinem iPhone gesendet
> 
>> Am 23.06.2022 um 19:57 schrieb 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
>> :
>> 
>> Hi Tim, no luck with that as they are still not showing any content after 
>> several days of having the Mail app running. Ron.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 23 Jun 2022, at 18:30, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Waiting should usually help.  Don’t wait while the message is open, just 
>>> while it is sitting in the list of messages.  More complicated message 
>>> content seems to take a bit to get all organized.
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
> On Jun 22, 2022, at 15:18, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
 
 yes my experience too. sometimes I have to wait for 5 min. or more and 
 sometimes it never loads.
 
> On Jun 22, 2022, at 4:25 PM, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim, thanks for the reply, but time doesn’t make any difference, Ron.
> 
> 
>> On 22 Jun 2022, at 18:00, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Just give it some time to load and that will go away. 
>> 
>> Later... 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 22, 2022, at 8:29 AM, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi there, I am getting the above message in mail from time to time. It 
>>> is mostly from one email sender but not exclusively. When I try to 
>>> enter the mail area I get “text”, but nothing else. I have been told by 
>>> a sighted person that there is a link saying something like “click to 
>>> download content” and if clicked it does download the message. However 
>>> voiceover does not see any link to click. 
>>> I have been through various settings and remote content blocking isn’t 
>>> selected. I am using AOL mail and this is intermittent. If I use my 
>>> Iphone then the message is there to read.
>>> I thought this had been mentioned before but I cannot find it in the 
>>> archives.
>>> Any advice would be appreciated, Ron.
>>> 
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Re: Mac Mail app problem "This mail has no content"" Help please

[Lorie McCloud]

I know that's not the case with me but I get a different message. mine says: 
"Mail not responding." it's worse than Safari.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 23, 2022, at 8:48 PM, Dave Carlson  wrote:

Sounds to me like you don’t have a connection to your service provider.

Dave Carlson
Woodworker, Farfar, Oregonian, pioneer, engineer, and Musician


On Jun 23, 2022, at 10:57 AM, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hi Tim, no luck with that as they are still not showing any content after 
several days of having the Mail app running. Ron.


> On 23 Jun 2022, at 18:30, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Waiting should usually help.  Don’t wait while the message is open, just 
> while it is sitting in the list of messages.  More complicated message 
> content seems to take a bit to get all organized.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Jun 22, 2022, at 15:18, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>> 
>> yes my experience too. sometimes I have to wait for 5 min. or more and 
>> sometimes it never loads.
>> 
>>> On Jun 22, 2022, at 4:25 PM, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Tim, thanks for the reply, but time doesn’t make any difference, Ron.
>>> 
>>> 
 On 22 Jun 2022, at 18:00, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Just give it some time to load and that will go away. 
 
 Later... 
 
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Jun 22, 2022, at 8:29 AM, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi there, I am getting the above message in mail from time to time. It 
> is mostly from one email sender but not exclusively. When I try to enter 
> the mail area I get “text”, but nothing else. I have been told by a 
> sighted person that there is a link saying something like “click to 
> download content” and if clicked it does download the message. However 
> voiceover does not see any link to click. 
> I have been through various settings and remote content blocking isn’t 
> selected. I am using AOL mail and this is intermittent. If I use my 
> Iphone then the message is there to read.
> I thought this had been mentioned before but I cannot find it in the 
> archives.
> Any advice would be appreciated, Ron.
> 
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Re: Mac Mail app problem "This mail has no content"" Help please

[Dave Carlson]

Sounds to me like you don’t have a connection to your service provider.

Dave Carlson
Woodworker, Farfar, Oregonian, pioneer, engineer, and Musician


On Jun 23, 2022, at 10:57 AM, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hi Tim, no luck with that as they are still not showing any content after 
several days of having the Mail app running. Ron.


> On 23 Jun 2022, at 18:30, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Waiting should usually help.  Don’t wait while the message is open, just 
> while it is sitting in the list of messages.  More complicated message 
> content seems to take a bit to get all organized.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Jun 22, 2022, at 15:18, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>> 
>> yes my experience too. sometimes I have to wait for 5 min. or more and 
>> sometimes it never loads.
>> 
>>> On Jun 22, 2022, at 4:25 PM, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Tim, thanks for the reply, but time doesn’t make any difference, Ron.
>>> 
>>> 
 On 22 Jun 2022, at 18:00, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Just give it some time to load and that will go away. 
 
 Later... 
 
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Jun 22, 2022, at 8:29 AM, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi there, I am getting the above message in mail from time to time. It 
> is mostly from one email sender but not exclusively. When I try to enter 
> the mail area I get “text”, but nothing else. I have been told by a 
> sighted person that there is a link saying something like “click to 
> download content” and if clicked it does download the message. However 
> voiceover does not see any link to click. 
> I have been through various settings and remote content blocking isn’t 
> selected. I am using AOL mail and this is intermittent. If I use my 
> Iphone then the message is there to read.
> I thought this had been mentioned before but I cannot find it in the 
> archives.
> Any advice would be appreciated, Ron.
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Re: Mac Mail app problem "This mail has no content"" Help please

[Lorie McCloud]

yes. I've noticed this. I open mail as soon as I wake up my computer and leave 
it open all day. things work better that way.

> On Jun 23, 2022, at 12:30 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi,
> 
> Waiting should usually help.  Don’t wait while the message is open, just 
> while it is sitting in the list of messages.  More complicated message 
> content seems to take a bit to get all organized.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Jun 22, 2022, at 15:18, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>> 
>> yes my experience too. sometimes I have to wait for 5 min. or more and 
>> sometimes it never loads.
>> 
>>> On Jun 22, 2022, at 4:25 PM, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Tim, thanks for the reply, but time doesn’t make any difference, Ron.
>>> 
>>> 
 On 22 Jun 2022, at 18:00, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Just give it some time to load and that will go away. 
 
 Later... 
 
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Jun 22, 2022, at 8:29 AM, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi there, I am getting the above message in mail from time to time. It 
> is mostly from one email sender but not exclusively. When I try to enter 
> the mail area I get “text”, but nothing else. I have been told by a 
> sighted person that there is a link saying something like “click to 
> download content” and if clicked it does download the message. However 
> voiceover does not see any link to click. 
> I have been through various settings and remote content blocking isn’t 
> selected. I am using AOL mail and this is intermittent. If I use my 
> Iphone then the message is there to read.
> I thought this had been mentioned before but I cannot find it in the 
> archives.
> Any advice would be appreciated, Ron.
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Re: Mac Mail app problem "This mail has no content"" Help please

[Jürgen Fleger]

What about forwarding it to your self? 


Von meinem iPhone gesendet

> Am 23.06.2022 um 19:57 schrieb 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
> :
> 
> Hi Tim, no luck with that as they are still not showing any content after 
> several days of having the Mail app running. Ron.
> 
> 
>> On 23 Jun 2022, at 18:30, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Waiting should usually help.  Don’t wait while the message is open, just 
>> while it is sitting in the list of messages.  More complicated message 
>> content seems to take a bit to get all organized.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
 On Jun 22, 2022, at 15:18, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>>> 
>>> yes my experience too. sometimes I have to wait for 5 min. or more and 
>>> sometimes it never loads.
>>> 
 On Jun 22, 2022, at 4:25 PM, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 Hi Tim, thanks for the reply, but time doesn’t make any difference, Ron.
 
 
> On 22 Jun 2022, at 18:00, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Just give it some time to load and that will go away. 
> 
> Later... 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 22, 2022, at 8:29 AM, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi there, I am getting the above message in mail from time to time. It 
>> is mostly from one email sender but not exclusively. When I try to enter 
>> the mail area I get “text”, but nothing else. I have been told by a 
>> sighted person that there is a link saying something like “click to 
>> download content” and if clicked it does download the message. However 
>> voiceover does not see any link to click. 
>> I have been through various settings and remote content blocking isn’t 
>> selected. I am using AOL mail and this is intermittent. If I use my 
>> Iphone then the message is there to read.
>> I thought this had been mentioned before but I cannot find it in the 
>> archives.
>> Any advice would be appreciated, Ron.
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Re: Mac Mail app problem "This mail has no content"" Help please

['Ron S' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Tim, no luck with that as they are still not showing any content after 
several days of having the Mail app running. Ron.


> On 23 Jun 2022, at 18:30, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Waiting should usually help.  Don’t wait while the message is open, just 
> while it is sitting in the list of messages.  More complicated message 
> content seems to take a bit to get all organized.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Jun 22, 2022, at 15:18, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>> 
>> yes my experience too. sometimes I have to wait for 5 min. or more and 
>> sometimes it never loads.
>> 
>>> On Jun 22, 2022, at 4:25 PM, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Tim, thanks for the reply, but time doesn’t make any difference, Ron.
>>> 
>>> 
 On 22 Jun 2022, at 18:00, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Just give it some time to load and that will go away. 
 
 Later... 
 
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Jun 22, 2022, at 8:29 AM, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi there, I am getting the above message in mail from time to time. It 
> is mostly from one email sender but not exclusively. When I try to enter 
> the mail area I get “text”, but nothing else. I have been told by a 
> sighted person that there is a link saying something like “click to 
> download content” and if clicked it does download the message. However 
> voiceover does not see any link to click. 
> I have been through various settings and remote content blocking isn’t 
> selected. I am using AOL mail and this is intermittent. If I use my 
> Iphone then the message is there to read.
> I thought this had been mentioned before but I cannot find it in the 
> archives.
> Any advice would be appreciated, Ron.
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Re: Mac Mail app problem "This mail has no content"" Help please

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

Waiting should usually help.  Don’t wait while the message is open, just while 
it is sitting in the list of messages.  More complicated message content seems 
to take a bit to get all organized.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
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> On Jun 22, 2022, at 15:18, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> yes my experience too. sometimes I have to wait for 5 min. or more and 
> sometimes it never loads.
> 
>> On Jun 22, 2022, at 4:25 PM, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Tim, thanks for the reply, but time doesn’t make any difference, Ron.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 22 Jun 2022, at 18:00, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Just give it some time to load and that will go away. 
>>> 
>>> Later... 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Jun 22, 2022, at 8:29 AM, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 Hi there, I am getting the above message in mail from time to time. It is 
 mostly from one email sender but not exclusively. When I try to enter the 
 mail area I get “text”, but nothing else. I have been told by a sighted 
 person that there is a link saying something like “click to download 
 content” and if clicked it does download the message. However voiceover 
 does not see any link to click. 
 I have been through various settings and remote content blocking isn’t 
 selected. I am using AOL mail and this is intermittent. If I use my Iphone 
 then the message is there to read.
 I thought this had been mentioned before but I cannot find it in the 
 archives.
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Re: Mac Mail app problem "This mail has no content"" Help please

[Lorie McCloud]

yes my experience too. sometimes I have to wait for 5 min. or more and 
sometimes it never loads.

> On Jun 22, 2022, at 4:25 PM, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
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> Hi Tim, thanks for the reply, but time doesn’t make any difference, Ron.
> 
> 
>> On 22 Jun 2022, at 18:00, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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>> Hi,
>> 
>> Just give it some time to load and that will go away. 
>> 
>> Later... 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> On Jun 22, 2022, at 8:29 AM, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
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>>> Hi there, I am getting the above message in mail from time to time. It is 
>>> mostly from one email sender but not exclusively. When I try to enter the 
>>> mail area I get “text”, but nothing else. I have been told by a sighted 
>>> person that there is a link saying something like “click to download 
>>> content” and if clicked it does download the message. However voiceover 
>>> does not see any link to click. 
>>> I have been through various settings and remote content blocking isn’t 
>>> selected. I am using AOL mail and this is intermittent. If I use my Iphone 
>>> then the message is there to read.
>>> I thought this had been mentioned before but I cannot find it in the 
>>> archives.
>>> Any advice would be appreciated, Ron.
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Re: Mac Mail app problem "This mail has no content"" Help please

['Ron S' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Lorie, thanks for the reply but unfortunately that didn’t work for me. Ron.



> On 22 Jun 2022, at 22:15, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> I have a similar problem. for some reason my mail just does not load. I've 
> been experimenting and I've found that to hit enter twice instead of once 
> when I open the mail will load the message content often.
> 
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>> Hi there, I am getting the above message in mail from time to time. It is 
>> mostly from one email sender but not exclusively. When I try to enter the 
>> mail area I get “text”, but nothing else. I have been told by a sighted 
>> person that there is a link saying something like “click to download 
>> content” and if clicked it does download the message. However voiceover does 
>> not see any link to click. 
>> I have been through various settings and remote content blocking isn’t 
>> selected. I am using AOL mail and this is intermittent. If I use my Iphone 
>> then the message is there to read.
>> I thought this had been mentioned before but I cannot find it in the 
>> archives.
>> Any advice would be appreciated, Ron.
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Re: Mac Mail app problem "This mail has no content"" Help please

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Hi Tim, thanks for the reply, but time doesn’t make any difference, Ron.


> On 22 Jun 2022, at 18:00, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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> Just give it some time to load and that will go away. 
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> Later... 
> 
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> Sent from my iPhone
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>> Hi there, I am getting the above message in mail from time to time. It is 
>> mostly from one email sender but not exclusively. When I try to enter the 
>> mail area I get “text”, but nothing else. I have been told by a sighted 
>> person that there is a link saying something like “click to download 
>> content” and if clicked it does download the message. However voiceover does 
>> not see any link to click. 
>> I have been through various settings and remote content blocking isn’t 
>> selected. I am using AOL mail and this is intermittent. If I use my Iphone 
>> then the message is there to read.
>> I thought this had been mentioned before but I cannot find it in the 
>> archives.
>> Any advice would be appreciated, Ron.
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Re: Mac Mail app problem "This mail has no content"" Help please

[Lorie McCloud]

I have a similar problem. for some reason my mail just does not load. I've been 
experimenting and I've found that to hit enter twice instead of once when I 
open the mail will load the message content often.

> On Jun 22, 2022, at 10:29 AM, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
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> Hi there, I am getting the above message in mail from time to time. It is 
> mostly from one email sender but not exclusively. When I try to enter the 
> mail area I get “text”, but nothing else. I have been told by a sighted 
> person that there is a link saying something like “click to download content” 
> and if clicked it does download the message. However voiceover does not see 
> any link to click. 
> I have been through various settings and remote content blocking isn’t 
> selected. I am using AOL mail and this is intermittent. If I use my Iphone 
> then the message is there to read.
> I thought this had been mentioned before but I cannot find it in the archives.
> Any advice would be appreciated, Ron.
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Re: Mac Mail app problem "This mail has no content"" Help please

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

Just give it some time to load and that will go away. 

 Later... 



Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 22, 2022, at 8:29 AM, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi there, I am getting the above message in mail from time to time. It is 
> mostly from one email sender but not exclusively. When I try to enter the 
> mail area I get “text”, but nothing else. I have been told by a sighted 
> person that there is a link saying something like “click to download content” 
> and if clicked it does download the message. However voiceover does not see 
> any link to click. 
> I have been through various settings and remote content blocking isn’t 
> selected. I am using AOL mail and this is intermittent. If I use my Iphone 
> then the message is there to read.
> I thought this had been mentioned before but I cannot find it in the archives.
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Mac Mail app problem "This mail has no content"" Help please

['Ron S' via MacVisionaries]

Hi there, I am getting the above message in mail from time to time. It is 
mostly from one email sender but not exclusively. When I try to enter the mail 
area I get “text”, but nothing else. I have been told by a sighted person that 
there is a link saying something like “click to download content” and if 
clicked it does download the message. However voiceover does not see any link 
to click. 
I have been through various settings and remote content blocking isn’t 
selected. I am using AOL mail and this is intermittent. If I use my Iphone then 
the message is there to read.
I thought this had been mentioned before but I cannot find it in the archives.
Any advice would be appreciated, Ron.

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Re: Mac mail server settings disappeared. Help Please

['Ron S' via MacVisionaries]

Thanks Tim for the info, Ron.


> On 2 Jun 2022, at 16:29, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi Ron,
> 
> As I mentioned, this is the case for both Google and iCloud.  G Mail is a 
> service of Google, thus you will see this behaviour.  As to AOL, I have no 
> idea.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Jun 2, 2022, at 00:53, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Tim, thanks for the reply. To add some specific information. It is my 
>> Aol, Gmail and Icloud accounts were the sever settings are no longer visable 
>> under system pref internat accounts server settings. This also applies to 
>> the  edit server list option in outgoing mail server button/option.
>> Can anyone confirm this  has also happened to them using Aol or Gmail 
>> accounts? Ron.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 1 Jun 2022, at 15:38, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I believe that it is mostly a security and convenience thing.  Apple has 
>>> been gradually moving towards handling most account details within the 
>>> Internet Accounts pane of System Preferences.  That’s the “convenience” 
>>> part of things.  Security is much more complicated and the use of security 
>>> certificates and such negatively affect the “convenience” part of things 
>>> but improve security of your accounts.
>>> 
>>> I don’t have an Outlook eMail, so I’m not familiar with how Server Settings 
>>> are affected, although as I mentioned, non-Google and non-iCloud accounts 
>>> still allow for password interaction within the Server Settings tab of Mail 
>>> Prefs.  You can, though, still mess with the outgoing server settings in 
>>> any Mail account in the Server Settings tab.  Simply VO-space on the 
>>> selected SMTP server pop-up, and choose Edit SMTP servers from that menu.
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
 On Jun 1, 2022, at 02:30, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 Hi Tim, thanks for the reply. The problem is aALL the Mail server 
 settings, with the exception of Outlook, were visable and available to 
 edit, but have disappeared in the last couple of weeks since I last 
 updated a mail password. It would seem some others have had the same 
 problem but the majority not. Yes, there are work arounds such as deleting 
 an account and re-adding, changing password on  mail home web page and 
 waiting for mac mail promp to enter correct password. These are all long 
 processes if you regulary update passwords for each account. What I can’t 
 understand is the sudden disappearance of the sever settings. Ron.
 
 
> On 31 May 2022, at 17:22, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Adding to Jonathan’s awesome explanation, I really don’t believe that 
> anything has changed over the past few weeks.
> 
> • for non-Google and non-iCloud accounts, you will still have Incoming 
> and Outgoing server configuration options from within the Server Settings 
> pane of mail Prefs.
> • iCloud belongs to Apple, so as long as your Apple ID password is 
> entered properly in System Prefs, there’s no extra configuration required.
> • as mentioned, Google based accounts, whether G Mail, or Google Work 
> Space, are handled in a special manner.  The private browser actions will 
> be triggered whenever you use something that notices that the Google 
> password is no longer valid.  That is, if you’re in Mail, System 
> Preferences/Internet Accounts, or in a browser.  Google will tell you 
> that the password is incorrect and give you the opportunity to fix it.  
> Once you’ve entered the correct password in the private browser session, 
> it is fixed everywhere it needs fixed.
> • for non-Google, non-iCloud accounts, you are able to change the 
> password in Internet accounts.
> 
> Keeping this information in mind, there is no need to delete, then 
> re-add, an account when simply changing a password.
> 
> Later…
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On May 31, 2022, at 00:57, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Jonathan, thanks for the info. What I can’t understand is how it changed 
>> in the last 2 weeks? Yes I can work around by deleting the account and 
>> subsequently adding the account again if I need to update a setting, but 
>> this is a long way around a change of password  for each account for 
>> example. Ron.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 30 May 2022, at 23:12, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> For the past three years the best interface to control Mail Account 
>>> 

Re: Mac mail server settings disappeared. Help Please

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Ron,

As I mentioned, this is the case for both Google and iCloud.  G Mail is a 
service of Google, thus you will see this behaviour.  As to AOL, I have no idea.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Jun 2, 2022, at 00:53, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim, thanks for the reply. To add some specific information. It is my Aol, 
> Gmail and Icloud accounts were the sever settings are no longer visable under 
> system pref internat accounts server settings. This also applies to the  edit 
> server list option in outgoing mail server button/option.
> Can anyone confirm this  has also happened to them using Aol or Gmail 
> accounts? Ron.
> 
> 
>> On 1 Jun 2022, at 15:38, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I believe that it is mostly a security and convenience thing.  Apple has 
>> been gradually moving towards handling most account details within the 
>> Internet Accounts pane of System Preferences.  That’s the “convenience” part 
>> of things.  Security is much more complicated and the use of security 
>> certificates and such negatively affect the “convenience” part of things but 
>> improve security of your accounts.
>> 
>> I don’t have an Outlook eMail, so I’m not familiar with how Server Settings 
>> are affected, although as I mentioned, non-Google and non-iCloud accounts 
>> still allow for password interaction within the Server Settings tab of Mail 
>> Prefs.  You can, though, still mess with the outgoing server settings in any 
>> Mail account in the Server Settings tab.  Simply VO-space on the selected 
>> SMTP server pop-up, and choose Edit SMTP servers from that menu.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On Jun 1, 2022, at 02:30, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Tim, thanks for the reply. The problem is aALL the Mail server settings, 
>>> with the exception of Outlook, were visable and available to edit, but have 
>>> disappeared in the last couple of weeks since I last updated a mail 
>>> password. It would seem some others have had the same problem but the 
>>> majority not. Yes, there are work arounds such as deleting an account and 
>>> re-adding, changing password on  mail home web page and waiting for mac 
>>> mail promp to enter correct password. These are all long processes if you 
>>> regulary update passwords for each account. What I can’t understand is the 
>>> sudden disappearance of the sever settings. Ron.
>>> 
>>> 
 On 31 May 2022, at 17:22, Tim Kilburn >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Adding to Jonathan’s awesome explanation, I really don’t believe that 
 anything has changed over the past few weeks.
 
 • for non-Google and non-iCloud accounts, you will still have Incoming and 
 Outgoing server configuration options from within the Server Settings pane 
 of mail Prefs.
 • iCloud belongs to Apple, so as long as your Apple ID password is entered 
 properly in System Prefs, there’s no extra configuration required.
 • as mentioned, Google based accounts, whether G Mail, or Google Work 
 Space, are handled in a special manner.  The private browser actions will 
 be triggered whenever you use something that notices that the Google 
 password is no longer valid.  That is, if you’re in Mail, System 
 Preferences/Internet Accounts, or in a browser.  Google will tell you that 
 the password is incorrect and give you the opportunity to fix it.  Once 
 you’ve entered the correct password in the private browser session, it is 
 fixed everywhere it needs fixed.
 • for non-Google, non-iCloud accounts, you are able to change the password 
 in Internet accounts.
 
 Keeping this information in mind, there is no need to delete, then re-add, 
 an account when simply changing a password.
 
 Later…
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
> On May 31, 2022, at 00:57, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
>  > wrote:
> 
> Jonathan, thanks for the info. What I can’t understand is how it changed 
> in the last 2 weeks? Yes I can work around by deleting the account and 
> subsequently adding the account again if I need to update a setting, but 
> this is a long way around a change of password  for each account for 
> example. Ron.
> 
> 
>> On 30 May 2022, at 23:12, Jonathan Cohn > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> For the past three years the best interface to control Mail Account 

Re: Mac mail server settings disappeared. Help Please

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Ron,

As I mentioned, this is the case for both Google and iCloud.  G Mail is a 
service of Google, thus you will see this behaviour.  As to AOL, I have no idea.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Jun 2, 2022, at 00:53, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim, thanks for the reply. To add some specific information. It is my Aol, 
> Gmail and Icloud accounts were the sever settings are no longer visable under 
> system pref internat accounts server settings. This also applies to the  edit 
> server list option in outgoing mail server button/option.
> Can anyone confirm this  has also happened to them using Aol or Gmail 
> accounts? Ron.
> 
> 
>> On 1 Jun 2022, at 15:38, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I believe that it is mostly a security and convenience thing.  Apple has 
>> been gradually moving towards handling most account details within the 
>> Internet Accounts pane of System Preferences.  That’s the “convenience” part 
>> of things.  Security is much more complicated and the use of security 
>> certificates and such negatively affect the “convenience” part of things but 
>> improve security of your accounts.
>> 
>> I don’t have an Outlook eMail, so I’m not familiar with how Server Settings 
>> are affected, although as I mentioned, non-Google and non-iCloud accounts 
>> still allow for password interaction within the Server Settings tab of Mail 
>> Prefs.  You can, though, still mess with the outgoing server settings in any 
>> Mail account in the Server Settings tab.  Simply VO-space on the selected 
>> SMTP server pop-up, and choose Edit SMTP servers from that menu.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On Jun 1, 2022, at 02:30, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Tim, thanks for the reply. The problem is aALL the Mail server settings, 
>>> with the exception of Outlook, were visable and available to edit, but have 
>>> disappeared in the last couple of weeks since I last updated a mail 
>>> password. It would seem some others have had the same problem but the 
>>> majority not. Yes, there are work arounds such as deleting an account and 
>>> re-adding, changing password on  mail home web page and waiting for mac 
>>> mail promp to enter correct password. These are all long processes if you 
>>> regulary update passwords for each account. What I can’t understand is the 
>>> sudden disappearance of the sever settings. Ron.
>>> 
>>> 
 On 31 May 2022, at 17:22, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Adding to Jonathan’s awesome explanation, I really don’t believe that 
 anything has changed over the past few weeks.
 
 • for non-Google and non-iCloud accounts, you will still have Incoming and 
 Outgoing server configuration options from within the Server Settings pane 
 of mail Prefs.
 • iCloud belongs to Apple, so as long as your Apple ID password is entered 
 properly in System Prefs, there’s no extra configuration required.
 • as mentioned, Google based accounts, whether G Mail, or Google Work 
 Space, are handled in a special manner.  The private browser actions will 
 be triggered whenever you use something that notices that the Google 
 password is no longer valid.  That is, if you’re in Mail, System 
 Preferences/Internet Accounts, or in a browser.  Google will tell you that 
 the password is incorrect and give you the opportunity to fix it.  Once 
 you’ve entered the correct password in the private browser session, it is 
 fixed everywhere it needs fixed.
 • for non-Google, non-iCloud accounts, you are able to change the password 
 in Internet accounts.
 
 Keeping this information in mind, there is no need to delete, then re-add, 
 an account when simply changing a password.
 
 Later…
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
> On May 31, 2022, at 00:57, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Jonathan, thanks for the info. What I can’t understand is how it changed 
> in the last 2 weeks? Yes I can work around by deleting the account and 
> subsequently adding the account again if I need to update a setting, but 
> this is a long way around a change of password  for each account for 
> example. Ron.
> 
> 
>> On 30 May 2022, at 23:12, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> For the past three years the best interface to control Mail Account 
>> settings has been the "Internet Accounts" in System Settings. The 
>> Accounts tab in Mail settings is there for some   specialized purposes 
>> and historic reasons. In fat, it seems from the "help" dialogs that it 
>> is just 

Re: Mac mail server settings disappeared. Help Please

['Ron S' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Tim, thanks for the reply. To add some specific information. It is my Aol, 
Gmail and Icloud accounts were the sever settings are no longer visable under 
system pref internat accounts server settings. This also applies to the  edit 
server list option in outgoing mail server button/option.
Can anyone confirm this  has also happened to them using Aol or Gmail accounts? 
Ron.


> On 1 Jun 2022, at 15:38, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I believe that it is mostly a security and convenience thing.  Apple has been 
> gradually moving towards handling most account details within the Internet 
> Accounts pane of System Preferences.  That’s the “convenience” part of 
> things.  Security is much more complicated and the use of security 
> certificates and such negatively affect the “convenience” part of things but 
> improve security of your accounts.
> 
> I don’t have an Outlook eMail, so I’m not familiar with how Server Settings 
> are affected, although as I mentioned, non-Google and non-iCloud accounts 
> still allow for password interaction within the Server Settings tab of Mail 
> Prefs.  You can, though, still mess with the outgoing server settings in any 
> Mail account in the Server Settings tab.  Simply VO-space on the selected 
> SMTP server pop-up, and choose Edit SMTP servers from that menu.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Jun 1, 2022, at 02:30, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Tim, thanks for the reply. The problem is aALL the Mail server settings, 
>> with the exception of Outlook, were visable and available to edit, but have 
>> disappeared in the last couple of weeks since I last updated a mail 
>> password. It would seem some others have had the same problem but the 
>> majority not. Yes, there are work arounds such as deleting an account and 
>> re-adding, changing password on  mail home web page and waiting for mac mail 
>> promp to enter correct password. These are all long processes if you 
>> regulary update passwords for each account. What I can’t understand is the 
>> sudden disappearance of the sever settings. Ron.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 31 May 2022, at 17:22, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Adding to Jonathan’s awesome explanation, I really don’t believe that 
>>> anything has changed over the past few weeks.
>>> 
>>> • for non-Google and non-iCloud accounts, you will still have Incoming and 
>>> Outgoing server configuration options from within the Server Settings pane 
>>> of mail Prefs.
>>> • iCloud belongs to Apple, so as long as your Apple ID password is entered 
>>> properly in System Prefs, there’s no extra configuration required.
>>> • as mentioned, Google based accounts, whether G Mail, or Google Work 
>>> Space, are handled in a special manner.  The private browser actions will 
>>> be triggered whenever you use something that notices that the Google 
>>> password is no longer valid.  That is, if you’re in Mail, System 
>>> Preferences/Internet Accounts, or in a browser.  Google will tell you that 
>>> the password is incorrect and give you the opportunity to fix it.  Once 
>>> you’ve entered the correct password in the private browser session, it is 
>>> fixed everywhere it needs fixed.
>>> • for non-Google, non-iCloud accounts, you are able to change the password 
>>> in Internet accounts.
>>> 
>>> Keeping this information in mind, there is no need to delete, then re-add, 
>>> an account when simply changing a password.
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
 On May 31, 2022, at 00:57, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 Jonathan, thanks for the info. What I can’t understand is how it changed 
 in the last 2 weeks? Yes I can work around by deleting the account and 
 subsequently adding the account again if I need to update a setting, but 
 this is a long way around a change of password  for each account for 
 example. Ron.
 
 
> On 30 May 2022, at 23:12, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> For the past three years the best interface to control Mail Account 
> settings has been the "Internet Accounts" in System Settings. The 
> Accounts tab in Mail settings is there for some   specialized purposes 
> and historic reasons. In fat, it seems from the "help" dialogs that it is 
> just reflecting information from the Internet Settings of System 
> Preferences.
> For Google accounts, one needs to go through the system preferences 
> because it creates a secure certificate for the computer which is 
> essentially a more secure version of the application password you have 
> been using.
> After you  enter the username of the account in System Settings, it will 
> launch a private instance of the Safari browser for you to enter the 
> Google 

Re: Mac mail server settings disappeared. Help Please

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

I believe that it is mostly a security and convenience thing.  Apple has been 
gradually moving towards handling most account details within the Internet 
Accounts pane of System Preferences.  That’s the “convenience” part of things.  
Security is much more complicated and the use of security certificates and such 
negatively affect the “convenience” part of things but improve security of your 
accounts.

I don’t have an Outlook eMail, so I’m not familiar with how Server Settings are 
affected, although as I mentioned, non-Google and non-iCloud accounts still 
allow for password interaction within the Server Settings tab of Mail Prefs.  
You can, though, still mess with the outgoing server settings in any Mail 
account in the Server Settings tab.  Simply VO-space on the selected SMTP 
server pop-up, and choose Edit SMTP servers from that menu.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Jun 1, 2022, at 02:30, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim, thanks for the reply. The problem is aALL the Mail server settings, 
> with the exception of Outlook, were visable and available to edit, but have 
> disappeared in the last couple of weeks since I last updated a mail password. 
> It would seem some others have had the same problem but the majority not. 
> Yes, there are work arounds such as deleting an account and re-adding, 
> changing password on  mail home web page and waiting for mac mail promp to 
> enter correct password. These are all long processes if you regulary update 
> passwords for each account. What I can’t understand is the sudden 
> disappearance of the sever settings. Ron.
> 
> 
>> On 31 May 2022, at 17:22, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Adding to Jonathan’s awesome explanation, I really don’t believe that 
>> anything has changed over the past few weeks.
>> 
>> • for non-Google and non-iCloud accounts, you will still have Incoming and 
>> Outgoing server configuration options from within the Server Settings pane 
>> of mail Prefs.
>> • iCloud belongs to Apple, so as long as your Apple ID password is entered 
>> properly in System Prefs, there’s no extra configuration required.
>> • as mentioned, Google based accounts, whether G Mail, or Google Work Space, 
>> are handled in a special manner.  The private browser actions will be 
>> triggered whenever you use something that notices that the Google password 
>> is no longer valid.  That is, if you’re in Mail, System Preferences/Internet 
>> Accounts, or in a browser.  Google will tell you that the password is 
>> incorrect and give you the opportunity to fix it.  Once you’ve entered the 
>> correct password in the private browser session, it is fixed everywhere it 
>> needs fixed.
>> • for non-Google, non-iCloud accounts, you are able to change the password 
>> in Internet accounts.
>> 
>> Keeping this information in mind, there is no need to delete, then re-add, 
>> an account when simply changing a password.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On May 31, 2022, at 00:57, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Jonathan, thanks for the info. What I can’t understand is how it changed in 
>>> the last 2 weeks? Yes I can work around by deleting the account and 
>>> subsequently adding the account again if I need to update a setting, but 
>>> this is a long way around a change of password  for each account for 
>>> example. Ron.
>>> 
>>> 
 On 30 May 2022, at 23:12, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
 
 Hello,
 For the past three years the best interface to control Mail Account 
 settings has been the "Internet Accounts" in System Settings. The Accounts 
 tab in Mail settings is there for some   specialized purposes and historic 
 reasons. In fat, it seems from the "help" dialogs that it is just 
 reflecting information from the Internet Settings of System Preferences.
 For Google accounts, one needs to go through the system preferences 
 because it creates a secure certificate for the computer which is 
 essentially a more secure version of the application password you have 
 been using.
 After you  enter the username of the account in System Settings, it will 
 launch a private instance of the Safari browser for you to enter the 
 Google password. Once confirmed in the browser, then mail, notes, contacts 
 and calendar can applications can link to the equivalent Google services 
 for viewing and editing.
 
Best wishes,
 
 Jonathan Cohn
 
 
 
> On May 30, 2022, at 17:27, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi John, I’m going through Mail preferences.. This is where I previously 
> changed any mil settings such as login password etc. after selecting 
> ’server settings’. They were there 2 weeks ago when I updated a password 
> for one of 

Re: Mac mail server settings disappeared. Help Please

['Ron S' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Tim, thanks for the reply. The problem is aALL the Mail server settings, 
with the exception of Outlook, were visable and available to edit, but have 
disappeared in the last couple of weeks since I last updated a mail password. 
It would seem some others have had the same problem but the majority not. Yes, 
there are work arounds such as deleting an account and re-adding, changing 
password on  mail home web page and waiting for mac mail promp to enter correct 
password. These are all long processes if you regulary update passwords for 
each account. What I can’t understand is the sudden disappearance of the sever 
settings. Ron.


> On 31 May 2022, at 17:22, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Adding to Jonathan’s awesome explanation, I really don’t believe that 
> anything has changed over the past few weeks.
> 
> • for non-Google and non-iCloud accounts, you will still have Incoming and 
> Outgoing server configuration options from within the Server Settings pane of 
> mail Prefs.
> • iCloud belongs to Apple, so as long as your Apple ID password is entered 
> properly in System Prefs, there’s no extra configuration required.
> • as mentioned, Google based accounts, whether G Mail, or Google Work Space, 
> are handled in a special manner.  The private browser actions will be 
> triggered whenever you use something that notices that the Google password is 
> no longer valid.  That is, if you’re in Mail, System Preferences/Internet 
> Accounts, or in a browser.  Google will tell you that the password is 
> incorrect and give you the opportunity to fix it.  Once you’ve entered the 
> correct password in the private browser session, it is fixed everywhere it 
> needs fixed.
> • for non-Google, non-iCloud accounts, you are able to change the password in 
> Internet accounts.
> 
> Keeping this information in mind, there is no need to delete, then re-add, an 
> account when simply changing a password.
> 
> Later…
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On May 31, 2022, at 00:57, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Jonathan, thanks for the info. What I can’t understand is how it changed in 
>> the last 2 weeks? Yes I can work around by deleting the account and 
>> subsequently adding the account again if I need to update a setting, but 
>> this is a long way around a change of password  for each account for 
>> example. Ron.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 30 May 2022, at 23:12, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> For the past three years the best interface to control Mail Account 
>>> settings has been the "Internet Accounts" in System Settings. The Accounts 
>>> tab in Mail settings is there for some   specialized purposes and historic 
>>> reasons. In fat, it seems from the "help" dialogs that it is just 
>>> reflecting information from the Internet Settings of System Preferences.
>>> For Google accounts, one needs to go through the system preferences because 
>>> it creates a secure certificate for the computer which is essentially a 
>>> more secure version of the application password you have been using.
>>> After you  enter the username of the account in System Settings, it will 
>>> launch a private instance of the Safari browser for you to enter the Google 
>>> password. Once confirmed in the browser, then mail, notes, contacts and 
>>> calendar can applications can link to the equivalent Google services for 
>>> viewing and editing.
>>> 
>>> Best wishes,
>>> 
>>> Jonathan Cohn
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On May 30, 2022, at 17:27, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 Hi John, I’m going through Mail preferences.. This is where I previously 
 changed any mil settings such as login password etc. after selecting 
 ’server settings’. They were there 2 weeks ago when I updated a password 
 for one of the  accounts.Thanks Ron.
 
 
> On 30 May 2022, at 16:58, John Panarese  wrote:
> 
> Are you going through System preferences Internet Accounts or Mail 
> preferences? I don’t see server settings when I look at my Internet 
> Accounts, but have that tab available to me in Mail Preferences for each 
> of my accounts. 
> 
> 
>> On May 30, 2022, at 4:32 AM, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Brad, I did that, entered the account details etc.  and as soon as I 
>> go  to the internet accounts , choose the new one, click server settings 
>> again, no server settings are shown!
>> 
>> 
>>> On 29 May 2022, at 14:07, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>>> 
>>> My suggestion is to go to System Preferences > Internet Accounts, and 
>>> delete the account, or accounts, that are having an issue.  Then, 
>>> recreate the account, and enter the necessary information.  
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On May 29, 2022, at 05:16, 'Ron' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi there, I went to enter a App Specific Password into my Mac Mail  
>>> Gmail 

Re: Mac mail server settings disappeared. Help Please

[Brad Snyder]

Ron,

I think you are concerning yourself with something that really is no big deal.
If you change your email password, through your provider’s website, the Mac 
Mail app will prompt you to enter the new password

- Brad -



On May 31, 2022, at 01:57, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Jonathan, thanks for the info. What I can’t understand is how it changed in the 
last 2 weeks? Yes I can work around by deleting the account and subsequently 
adding the account again if I need to update a setting, but this is a long way 
around a change of password  for each account for example. Ron.


> On 30 May 2022, at 23:12, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> For the past three years the best interface to control Mail Account settings 
> has been the "Internet Accounts" in System Settings. The Accounts tab in Mail 
> settings is there for some   specialized purposes and historic reasons. In 
> fat, it seems from the "help" dialogs that it is just reflecting information 
> from the Internet Settings of System Preferences.
> For Google accounts, one needs to go through the system preferences because 
> it creates a secure certificate for the computer which is essentially a more 
> secure version of the application password you have been using.
> After you  enter the username of the account in System Settings, it will 
> launch a private instance of the Safari browser for you to enter the Google 
> password. Once confirmed in the browser, then mail, notes, contacts and 
> calendar can applications can link to the equivalent Google services for 
> viewing and editing.
> 
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
>> On May 30, 2022, at 17:27, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi John, I’m going through Mail preferences.. This is where I previously 
>> changed any mil settings such as login password etc. after selecting ’server 
>> settings’. They were there 2 weeks ago when I updated a password for one of 
>> the  accounts.Thanks Ron.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 30 May 2022, at 16:58, John Panarese  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Are you going through System preferences Internet Accounts or Mail 
>>> preferences? I don’t see server settings when I look at my Internet 
>>> Accounts, but have that tab available to me in Mail Preferences for each of 
>>> my accounts. 
>>> 
>>> 
 On May 30, 2022, at 4:32 AM, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 Hi Brad, I did that, entered the account details etc.  and as soon as I go 
  to the internet accounts , choose the new one, click server settings 
 again, no server settings are shown!
 
 
> On 29 May 2022, at 14:07, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> My suggestion is to go to System Preferences > Internet Accounts, and 
> delete the account, or accounts, that are having an issue.  Then, 
> recreate the account, and enter the necessary information.  
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> On May 29, 2022, at 05:16, 'Ron' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi there, I went to enter a App Specific Password into my Mac Mail  Gmail 
> account server settings only to find they are no longer visable. In fact 
> all the mail account server settings have gone except for  an Outlook 
> account. They were visable 2 weeks ago as I updated the password on one 
> of them and it was straight forward. Looking online
> there seems to have been various problems similar over the years. I have 
> been unable to find a way of resolving this problem. Does anyone have any 
> idea’s? 
> I am fairly new to computing , so any simple instructions would be 
> appreciated. Many thanks in advance, Ron.
> 
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Re: Mac mail server settings disappeared. Help Please

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Adding to Jonathan’s awesome explanation, I really don’t believe that anything 
has changed over the past few weeks.

• for non-Google and non-iCloud accounts, you will still have Incoming and 
Outgoing server configuration options from within the Server Settings pane of 
mail Prefs.
• iCloud belongs to Apple, so as long as your Apple ID password is entered 
properly in System Prefs, there’s no extra configuration required.
• as mentioned, Google based accounts, whether G Mail, or Google Work Space, 
are handled in a special manner.  The private browser actions will be triggered 
whenever you use something that notices that the Google password is no longer 
valid.  That is, if you’re in Mail, System Preferences/Internet Accounts, or in 
a browser.  Google will tell you that the password is incorrect and give you 
the opportunity to fix it.  Once you’ve entered the correct password in the 
private browser session, it is fixed everywhere it needs fixed.
• for non-Google, non-iCloud accounts, you are able to change the password in 
Internet accounts.

Keeping this information in mind, there is no need to delete, then re-add, an 
account when simply changing a password.

Later…

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On May 31, 2022, at 00:57, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Jonathan, thanks for the info. What I can’t understand is how it changed in 
> the last 2 weeks? Yes I can work around by deleting the account and 
> subsequently adding the account again if I need to update a setting, but this 
> is a long way around a change of password  for each account for example. Ron.
> 
> 
>> On 30 May 2022, at 23:12, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> For the past three years the best interface to control Mail Account settings 
>> has been the "Internet Accounts" in System Settings. The Accounts tab in 
>> Mail settings is there for some   specialized purposes and historic reasons. 
>> In fat, it seems from the "help" dialogs that it is just reflecting 
>> information from the Internet Settings of System Preferences.
>> For Google accounts, one needs to go through the system preferences because 
>> it creates a secure certificate for the computer which is essentially a more 
>> secure version of the application password you have been using.
>> After you  enter the username of the account in System Settings, it will 
>> launch a private instance of the Safari browser for you to enter the Google 
>> password. Once confirmed in the browser, then mail, notes, contacts and 
>> calendar can applications can link to the equivalent Google services for 
>> viewing and editing.
>> 
>>  Best wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan Cohn
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 30, 2022, at 17:27, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi John, I’m going through Mail preferences.. This is where I previously 
>>> changed any mil settings such as login password etc. after selecting 
>>> ’server settings’. They were there 2 weeks ago when I updated a password 
>>> for one of the  accounts.Thanks Ron.
>>> 
>>> 
 On 30 May 2022, at 16:58, John Panarese  wrote:
 
 Are you going through System preferences Internet Accounts or Mail 
 preferences? I don’t see server settings when I look at my Internet 
 Accounts, but have that tab available to me in Mail Preferences for each 
 of my accounts. 
 
 
> On May 30, 2022, at 4:32 AM, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Brad, I did that, entered the account details etc.  and as soon as I 
> go  to the internet accounts , choose the new one, click server settings 
> again, no server settings are shown!
> 
> 
>> On 29 May 2022, at 14:07, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>> 
>> My suggestion is to go to System Preferences > Internet Accounts, and 
>> delete the account, or accounts, that are having an issue.  Then, 
>> recreate the account, and enter the necessary information.  
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On May 29, 2022, at 05:16, 'Ron' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi there, I went to enter a App Specific Password into my Mac Mail  
>> Gmail account server settings only to find they are no longer visable. 
>> In fact all the mail account server settings have gone except for  an 
>> Outlook account. They were visable 2 weeks ago as I updated the password 
>> on one of them and it was straight forward. Looking online
>> there seems to have been various problems similar over the years. I have 
>> been unable to find a way of resolving this problem. Does anyone have 
>> any idea’s? 
>> I am fairly new to computing , so any simple instructions would be 
>> appreciated. Many thanks in advance, Ron.
>> 
>> -- 
>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac 
>> Visionaries list.
>> 
>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or 
>> if you feel that a 

Re: Mac mail server settings disappeared. Help Please

['Ron S' via MacVisionaries]

Jonathan, thanks for the info. What I can’t understand is how it changed in the 
last 2 weeks? Yes I can work around by deleting the account and subsequently 
adding the account again if I need to update a setting, but this is a long way 
around a change of password  for each account for example. Ron.


> On 30 May 2022, at 23:12, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> For the past three years the best interface to control Mail Account settings 
> has been the "Internet Accounts" in System Settings. The Accounts tab in Mail 
> settings is there for some   specialized purposes and historic reasons. In 
> fat, it seems from the "help" dialogs that it is just reflecting information 
> from the Internet Settings of System Preferences.
> For Google accounts, one needs to go through the system preferences because 
> it creates a secure certificate for the computer which is essentially a more 
> secure version of the application password you have been using.
> After you  enter the username of the account in System Settings, it will 
> launch a private instance of the Safari browser for you to enter the Google 
> password. Once confirmed in the browser, then mail, notes, contacts and 
> calendar can applications can link to the equivalent Google services for 
> viewing and editing.
> 
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
>> On May 30, 2022, at 17:27, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi John, I’m going through Mail preferences.. This is where I previously 
>> changed any mil settings such as login password etc. after selecting ’server 
>> settings’. They were there 2 weeks ago when I updated a password for one of 
>> the  accounts.Thanks Ron.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 30 May 2022, at 16:58, John Panarese  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Are you going through System preferences Internet Accounts or Mail 
>>> preferences? I don’t see server settings when I look at my Internet 
>>> Accounts, but have that tab available to me in Mail Preferences for each of 
>>> my accounts. 
>>> 
>>> 
 On May 30, 2022, at 4:32 AM, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 Hi Brad, I did that, entered the account details etc.  and as soon as I go 
  to the internet accounts , choose the new one, click server settings 
 again, no server settings are shown!
 
 
> On 29 May 2022, at 14:07, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> My suggestion is to go to System Preferences > Internet Accounts, and 
> delete the account, or accounts, that are having an issue.  Then, 
> recreate the account, and enter the necessary information.  
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> On May 29, 2022, at 05:16, 'Ron' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi there, I went to enter a App Specific Password into my Mac Mail  Gmail 
> account server settings only to find they are no longer visable. In fact 
> all the mail account server settings have gone except for  an Outlook 
> account. They were visable 2 weeks ago as I updated the password on one 
> of them and it was straight forward. Looking online
> there seems to have been various problems similar over the years. I have 
> been unable to find a way of resolving this problem. Does anyone have any 
> idea’s? 
> I am fairly new to computing , so any simple instructions would be 
> appreciated. Many thanks in advance, Ron.
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Re: Mac mail server settings disappeared. Help Please

[Brad Snyder]

My system is the same.  Only my Outlook.com  email account 
allows me to do anything other than change the outgoing SMTP server. 
It has been this way for years, and I am not concerned about it.
- Brad -



On May 30, 2022, at 16:40, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Thanks Brad for the suggestion, I can’t see how it can be anything to do with 
my mail provider though as I have acounts from  several different mail 
providers and the server settings have gone for all of them. except for outlook?
If I interact wih the outgoing mail account list and choose edit smtp server  
list the table shows the outlook account details only and no others. Ron. 
-confused



> On 30 May 2022, at 17:11, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> I suggest contacting your email provider for technical support.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> On May 30, 2022, at 03:32, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Brad, I did that, entered the account details etc.  and as soon as I go  
> to the internet accounts , choose the new one, click server settings again, 
> no server settings are shown!
> 
> 
>> On 29 May 2022, at 14:07, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>> 
>> My suggestion is to go to System Preferences > Internet Accounts, and delete 
>> the account, or accounts, that are having an issue.  Then, recreate the 
>> account, and enter the necessary information.  
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On May 29, 2022, at 05:16, 'Ron' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi there, I went to enter a App Specific Password into my Mac Mail  Gmail 
>> account server settings only to find they are no longer visable. In fact all 
>> the mail account server settings have gone except for  an Outlook account. 
>> They were visable 2 weeks ago as I updated the password on one of them and 
>> it was straight forward. Looking online
>> there seems to have been various problems similar over the years. I have 
>> been unable to find a way of resolving this problem. Does anyone have any 
>> idea’s? 
>> I am fairly new to computing , so any simple instructions would be 
>> appreciated. Many thanks in advance, Ron.
>> 
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Re: Mac mail server settings disappeared. Help Please

[Jonathan Cohn]

Hello,
For the past three years the best interface to control Mail Account settings 
has been the "Internet Accounts" in System Settings. The Accounts tab in Mail 
settings is there for some   specialized purposes and historic reasons. In fat, 
it seems from the "help" dialogs that it is just reflecting information from 
the Internet Settings of System Preferences.
For Google accounts, one needs to go through the system preferences because it 
creates a secure certificate for the computer which is essentially a more 
secure version of the application password you have been using.
After you  enter the username of the account in System Settings, it will launch 
a private instance of the Safari browser for you to enter the Google password. 
Once confirmed in the browser, then mail, notes, contacts and calendar can 
applications can link to the equivalent Google services for viewing and editing.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On May 30, 2022, at 17:27, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi John, I’m going through Mail preferences.. This is where I previously 
> changed any mil settings such as login password etc. after selecting ’server 
> settings’. They were there 2 weeks ago when I updated a password for one of 
> the  accounts.Thanks Ron.
> 
> 
>> On 30 May 2022, at 16:58, John Panarese  wrote:
>> 
>> Are you going through System preferences Internet Accounts or Mail 
>> preferences? I don’t see server settings when I look at my Internet 
>> Accounts, but have that tab available to me in Mail Preferences for each of 
>> my accounts. 
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 30, 2022, at 4:32 AM, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Brad, I did that, entered the account details etc.  and as soon as I go  
>>> to the internet accounts , choose the new one, click server settings again, 
>>> no server settings are shown!
>>> 
>>> 
 On 29 May 2022, at 14:07, Brad Snyder  wrote:
 
 My suggestion is to go to System Preferences > Internet Accounts, and 
 delete the account, or accounts, that are having an issue.  Then, recreate 
 the account, and enter the necessary information.  
 
 - Brad -
 
 
 
 On May 29, 2022, at 05:16, 'Ron' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 Hi there, I went to enter a App Specific Password into my Mac Mail  Gmail 
 account server settings only to find they are no longer visable. In fact 
 all the mail account server settings have gone except for  an Outlook 
 account. They were visable 2 weeks ago as I updated the password on one of 
 them and it was straight forward. Looking online
 there seems to have been various problems similar over the years. I have 
 been unable to find a way of resolving this problem. Does anyone have any 
 idea’s? 
 I am fairly new to computing , so any simple instructions would be 
 appreciated. Many thanks in advance, Ron.
 
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Re: Mac mail server settings disappeared. Help Please

['Ron S' via MacVisionaries]

Thanks Brad for the suggestion, I can’t see how it can be anything to do with 
my mail provider though as I have acounts from  several different mail 
providers and the server settings have gone for all of them. except for outlook?
If I interact wih the outgoing mail account list and choose edit smtp server  
list the table shows the outlook account details only and no others. Ron. 
-confused



> On 30 May 2022, at 17:11, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> I suggest contacting your email provider for technical support.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> On May 30, 2022, at 03:32, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Brad, I did that, entered the account details etc.  and as soon as I go  
> to the internet accounts , choose the new one, click server settings again, 
> no server settings are shown!
> 
> 
>> On 29 May 2022, at 14:07, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>> 
>> My suggestion is to go to System Preferences > Internet Accounts, and delete 
>> the account, or accounts, that are having an issue.  Then, recreate the 
>> account, and enter the necessary information.  
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On May 29, 2022, at 05:16, 'Ron' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi there, I went to enter a App Specific Password into my Mac Mail  Gmail 
>> account server settings only to find they are no longer visable. In fact all 
>> the mail account server settings have gone except for  an Outlook account. 
>> They were visable 2 weeks ago as I updated the password on one of them and 
>> it was straight forward. Looking online
>> there seems to have been various problems similar over the years. I have 
>> been unable to find a way of resolving this problem. Does anyone have any 
>> idea’s? 
>> I am fairly new to computing , so any simple instructions would be 
>> appreciated. Many thanks in advance, Ron.
>> 
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Re: Mac mail server settings disappeared. Help Please

['Ron S' via MacVisionaries]

Hi John, I’m going through Mail preferences.. This is where I previously 
changed any mil settings such as login password etc. after selecting ’server 
settings’. They were there 2 weeks ago when I updated a password for one of the 
 accounts.Thanks Ron.


> On 30 May 2022, at 16:58, John Panarese  wrote:
> 
>  Are you going through System preferences Internet Accounts or Mail 
> preferences? I don’t see server settings when I look at my Internet Accounts, 
> but have that tab available to me in Mail Preferences for each of my 
> accounts. 
> 
> 
>> On May 30, 2022, at 4:32 AM, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Brad, I did that, entered the account details etc.  and as soon as I go  
>> to the internet accounts , choose the new one, click server settings again, 
>> no server settings are shown!
>> 
>> 
>>> On 29 May 2022, at 14:07, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>>> 
>>> My suggestion is to go to System Preferences > Internet Accounts, and 
>>> delete the account, or accounts, that are having an issue.  Then, recreate 
>>> the account, and enter the necessary information.  
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On May 29, 2022, at 05:16, 'Ron' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi there, I went to enter a App Specific Password into my Mac Mail  Gmail 
>>> account server settings only to find they are no longer visable. In fact 
>>> all the mail account server settings have gone except for  an Outlook 
>>> account. They were visable 2 weeks ago as I updated the password on one of 
>>> them and it was straight forward. Looking online
>>> there seems to have been various problems similar over the years. I have 
>>> been unable to find a way of resolving this problem. Does anyone have any 
>>> idea’s? 
>>> I am fairly new to computing , so any simple instructions would be 
>>> appreciated. Many thanks in advance, Ron.
>>> 
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Re: Mac mail server settings disappeared. Help Please

[Brad Snyder]

I suggest contacting your email provider for technical support.

- Brad -



On May 30, 2022, at 03:32, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hi Brad, I did that, entered the account details etc.  and as soon as I go  to 
the internet accounts , choose the new one, click server settings again, no 
server settings are shown!


> On 29 May 2022, at 14:07, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> My suggestion is to go to System Preferences > Internet Accounts, and delete 
> the account, or accounts, that are having an issue.  Then, recreate the 
> account, and enter the necessary information.  
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> On May 29, 2022, at 05:16, 'Ron' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi there, I went to enter a App Specific Password into my Mac Mail  Gmail 
> account server settings only to find they are no longer visable. In fact all 
> the mail account server settings have gone except for  an Outlook account. 
> They were visable 2 weeks ago as I updated the password on one of them and it 
> was straight forward. Looking online
> there seems to have been various problems similar over the years. I have been 
> unable to find a way of resolving this problem. Does anyone have any idea’s? 
> I am fairly new to computing , so any simple instructions would be 
> appreciated. Many thanks in advance, Ron.
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Re: Mac mail server settings disappeared. Help Please

[John Panarese]

  Are you going through System preferences Internet Accounts or Mail 
preferences? I don’t see server settings when I look at my Internet Accounts, 
but have that tab available to me in Mail Preferences for each of my accounts. 


> On May 30, 2022, at 4:32 AM, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Brad, I did that, entered the account details etc.  and as soon as I go  
> to the internet accounts , choose the new one, click server settings again, 
> no server settings are shown!
> 
> 
>> On 29 May 2022, at 14:07, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>> 
>> My suggestion is to go to System Preferences > Internet Accounts, and delete 
>> the account, or accounts, that are having an issue.  Then, recreate the 
>> account, and enter the necessary information.  
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On May 29, 2022, at 05:16, 'Ron' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi there, I went to enter a App Specific Password into my Mac Mail  Gmail 
>> account server settings only to find they are no longer visable. In fact all 
>> the mail account server settings have gone except for  an Outlook account. 
>> They were visable 2 weeks ago as I updated the password on one of them and 
>> it was straight forward. Looking online
>> there seems to have been various problems similar over the years. I have 
>> been unable to find a way of resolving this problem. Does anyone have any 
>> idea’s? 
>> I am fairly new to computing , so any simple instructions would be 
>> appreciated. Many thanks in advance, Ron.
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Re: Mac mail server settings disappeared. Help Please

['Ron S' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Brad, I did that, entered the account details etc.  and as soon as I go  to 
the internet accounts , choose the new one, click server settings again, no 
server settings are shown!
 

> On 29 May 2022, at 14:07, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> My suggestion is to go to System Preferences > Internet Accounts, and delete 
> the account, or accounts, that are having an issue.  Then, recreate the 
> account, and enter the necessary information.  
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> On May 29, 2022, at 05:16, 'Ron' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi there, I went to enter a App Specific Password into my Mac Mail  Gmail 
> account server settings only to find they are no longer visable. In fact all 
> the mail account server settings have gone except for  an Outlook account. 
> They were visable 2 weeks ago as I updated the password on one of them and it 
> was straight forward. Looking online
> there seems to have been various problems similar over the years. I have been 
> unable to find a way of resolving this problem. Does anyone have any idea’s? 
> I am fairly new to computing , so any simple instructions would be 
> appreciated. Many thanks in advance, Ron.
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Mac mail server settings disappeared. Help Please

['Ron' via MacVisionaries]

Hi there, I went to enter a App Specific Password into my Mac Mail  Gmail 
account server settings only to find they are no longer visable. In fact all 
the mail account server settings have gone except for  an Outlook account. They 
were visable 2 weeks ago as I updated the password on one of them and it was 
straight forward. Looking online
there seems to have been various problems similar over the years. I have been 
unable to find a way of resolving this problem. Does anyone have any idea’s? 
I am fairly new to computing , so any simple instructions would be appreciated. 
Many thanks in advance, Ron.

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Re: Mac mail server settings disappeared. Help Please

[Brad Snyder]

My suggestion is to go to System Preferences > Internet Accounts, and delete 
the account, or accounts, that are having an issue.  Then, recreate the 
account, and enter the necessary information.  

- Brad -



On May 29, 2022, at 05:16, 'Ron' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hi there, I went to enter a App Specific Password into my Mac Mail  Gmail 
account server settings only to find they are no longer visable. In fact all 
the mail account server settings have gone except for  an Outlook account. They 
were visable 2 weeks ago as I updated the password on one of them and it was 
straight forward. Looking online
there seems to have been various problems similar over the years. I have been 
unable to find a way of resolving this problem. Does anyone have any idea’s? 
I am fairly new to computing , so any simple instructions would be appreciated. 
Many thanks in advance, Ron.

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Mac mail server settings disappeared. Help Please

['Ron' via MacVisionaries]

Hi there, I went to enter a App Specific Password into my Mac Mail  Gmail 
account server settings only to find they are no longer visable. In fact all 
the mail account server settings have gone except for  an Outlook account. They 
were visable 2 weeks ago as I updated the password on one of them and it was 
straight forward. Looking online
there seems to have been various problems similar over the years. I have been 
unable to find a way of resolving this problem. Does anyone have any idea’s? 
I am fairly new to computing , so any simple instructions would be appreciated. 
Many thanks in advance, Ron.

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Mac mail server settings disappeared. Help Please

['Ron' via MacVisionaries]

Hi there, I went to enter a App Specific Password into my Mac Mail  Gmail 
account server settings only to find they are no longer visable. In fact all 
the mail account server settings have gone except for  an Outlook account. They 
were visable 2 weeks ago as I updated the password on one of them and it was 
straight forward. Looking online
 there seems to have been various problems similar over the years. I have been 
unable to find a way of resolving this problem. Does anyone have any idea’s? 
I am fairly new to computing , so any simple instructions would be appreciated. 
Many thanks in advance, Ron.

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Re: Help please, Apple Watch gone completely silent

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Ugh!  It is a pain.  Hopefully it won’t happen to you again.  If it does, try 
Tim’s suggestion of holding down the power button for ten seconds.  It’s a lot 
easier than resetting it. :)
Cheers,
Donna


> On Jan 24, 2022, at 2:27 PM, kglists via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi Donna.
> 
> This afternoon when I was chopping vegetables in order to cook them, I tapped 
> my watch to see what time it was.  There was no sound on the watch and I 
> don't know why it happened.  I had to reset it which was a pain.  This is the 
> first time it had happened.
> 
> Kawal.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2022 10:20 AM
> To: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> Subject: Help please, Apple Watch gone completely silent
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> For the second time in less than a month, my Apple Watch has gone completely 
> silent while I was sleeping.  I have no speech, no haptic feedback, and I 
> hear none of the typical chirps and clicks that come with waking up the 
> watch.  Last time this happened, I ended up resetting the thing, and I really 
> don’t want to do that again.  I’m hoping that somehow I’ve just muted it, or 
> started theater mode in my sleep.
> 
> 1.  If I accidentally started the mute that you can start by covering the 
> watch with your hand, how do I turn that off?
> 2.  If I somehow started  Theater Mode, how can I turn that off?
> 3.  Is there some way to access the Control Center for the watch from my 
> phone?  I’ve looked in the Watch app, but didn’t see it 4.  Does anyone have 
> any other suggestions?
> Thanks,
> Donna
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RE: Help please, Apple Watch gone completely silent

[kglists via MacVisionaries]

Hi Donna.

This afternoon when I was chopping vegetables in order to cook them, I tapped 
my watch to see what time it was.  There was no sound on the watch and I don't 
know why it happened.  I had to reset it which was a pain.  This is the first 
time it had happened.

Kawal.

-Original Message-
From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2022 10:20 AM
To: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Help please, Apple Watch gone completely silent

Hi all,

For the second time in less than a month, my Apple Watch has gone completely 
silent while I was sleeping.  I have no speech, no haptic feedback, and I hear 
none of the typical chirps and clicks that come with waking up the watch.  Last 
time this happened, I ended up resetting the thing, and I really don’t want to 
do that again.  I’m hoping that somehow I’ve just muted it, or started theater 
mode in my sleep.

1.  If I accidentally started the mute that you can start by covering the watch 
with your hand, how do I turn that off?
2.  If I somehow started  Theater Mode, how can I turn that off?
3.  Is there some way to access the Control Center for the watch from my phone? 
 I’ve looked in the Watch app, but didn’t see it 4.  Does anyone have any other 
suggestions?
Thanks,
Donna

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Re: Help please, Apple Watch gone completely silent

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Oh! Of course!  That makes sense. Thanks!
Donna

> On Jan 24, 2022, at 11:57 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi,
> 
> Go into Control Centre, and double-tap on Silent Mode.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
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> 
>> On Jan 24, 2022, at 10:56, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I’ve seen that, but how do you unmute once you’ve activated it by covering 
>> the watch with your hand?
>> Thanks,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 24, 2022, at 11:38 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:Macvisionaries@Googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> One extra thing.  If you do decide to leave sounds on, the “Cover to Mute” 
>>> option that you mentioned is found in the Watch app on your iPhone, under 
>>> Sounds & Haptics.
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
 On Jan 24, 2022, at 10:29, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 
 Lol! I sure hope you’re right.
 Cheers,
 Donna
 
 
> On Jan 24, 2022, at 11:28 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  > wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Hopefully, there isn’t a next time.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Jan 24, 2022, at 10:27, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> > > wrote:
>> 
>> Yeah, I could have my husband look at it.  I’ll do that if there is a 
>> next time.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Jan 24, 2022, at 11:24 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> HI,
>>> 
>>> Do you have someone sighted that can look at the watch, or maybe Seeing 
>>> AI, to see if there’s anything visible on the screen?  I ask this 
>>> because if the Watch somehow went into Power Reserve mode, the time 
>>> would still appear on the screen, but there would be no sound at all.  
>>> Someone else had a similar issue last week where their watch appeared 
>>> to randomly do what yours did.  It’s possible that there’s a bug 
>>> whereby Power Reserve is coming on even though you don’t tell it to.
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
 On Jan 24, 2022, at 10:19, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi, Tim,
 
 Thanks for the response and the explanation.  I’ve never been really 
 clear with the difference between silent mode and theater mode, 
 because I don’t use either of them—though I definitely get you getting 
 tired of the various noises.  After reading your message, I may give 
 silent mode a try. :)
 
 I did end up doing exactly what you suggested, and it did work.  But I 
 would still love to know what’s making the watch go so silent.  I 
 checked both the battery level and the volume from my phone, and both 
 were fine.
 Cheers,
 Donna
 
 
> On Jan 24, 2022, at 11:12 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna,
> 
> Theatre Mode and Silent Mode will not affect VoiceOver.  I have mine 
> in Silent Mode 100% of the time.  I get annoyed with all the dings, 
> dangs, bings, bongs, tinks and whatever other onomatopoeia noises I 
> can come up with :).
> FYI, Silent mode silences alert sounds, Theatre Mode turns on Silent 
> Mode and dims the screen.   Again, neither affect VO.  Theatre Mode 
> is normally disabled by waking the screen, so something you did 
> should have waked it.  I suggest that you hold in the side button for 
> 10 seconds then release.  This should restart your Apple Watch and 
> VoiceOver should start speaking again once the restart has completed.
> 
> Later…
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> 

Re: Help please, Apple Watch gone completely silent

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

Go into Control Centre, and double-tap on Silent Mode.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Jan 24, 2022, at 10:56, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> I’ve seen that, but how do you unmute once you’ve activated it by covering 
> the watch with your hand?
> Thanks,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Jan 24, 2022, at 11:38 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:Macvisionaries@Googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> One extra thing.  If you do decide to leave sounds on, the “Cover to Mute” 
>> option that you mentioned is found in the Watch app on your iPhone, under 
>> Sounds & Haptics.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On Jan 24, 2022, at 10:29, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Lol! I sure hope you’re right.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jan 24, 2022, at 11:28 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Hopefully, there isn’t a next time.
 
 Later…
 
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Jamf Certified Tech
 Apple Professional Learning Specialist
 Apple Teacher
 (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
> On Jan 24, 2022, at 10:27, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  > wrote:
> 
> Yeah, I could have my husband look at it.  I’ll do that if there is a 
> next time.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On Jan 24, 2022, at 11:24 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> > > wrote:
>> 
>> HI,
>> 
>> Do you have someone sighted that can look at the watch, or maybe Seeing 
>> AI, to see if there’s anything visible on the screen?  I ask this 
>> because if the Watch somehow went into Power Reserve mode, the time 
>> would still appear on the screen, but there would be no sound at all.  
>> Someone else had a similar issue last week where their watch appeared to 
>> randomly do what yours did.  It’s possible that there’s a bug whereby 
>> Power Reserve is coming on even though you don’t tell it to.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On Jan 24, 2022, at 10:19, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>> >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi, Tim,
>>> 
>>> Thanks for the response and the explanation.  I’ve never been really 
>>> clear with the difference between silent mode and theater mode, because 
>>> I don’t use either of them—though I definitely get you getting tired of 
>>> the various noises.  After reading your message, I may give silent mode 
>>> a try. :)
>>> 
>>> I did end up doing exactly what you suggested, and it did work.  But I 
>>> would still love to know what’s making the watch go so silent.  I 
>>> checked both the battery level and the volume from my phone, and both 
>>> were fine.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jan 24, 2022, at 11:12 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
 >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi Donna,
 
 Theatre Mode and Silent Mode will not affect VoiceOver.  I have mine 
 in Silent Mode 100% of the time.  I get annoyed with all the dings, 
 dangs, bings, bongs, tinks and whatever other onomatopoeia noises I 
 can come up with :).
 FYI, Silent mode silences alert sounds, Theatre Mode turns on Silent 
 Mode and dims the screen.   Again, neither affect VO.  Theatre Mode is 
 normally disabled by waking the screen, so something you did should 
 have waked it.  I suggest that you hold in the side button for 10 
 seconds then release.  This should restart your Apple Watch and 
 VoiceOver should start speaking again once the restart has completed.
 
 Later…
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Jamf Certified Tech
 Apple Professional Learning Specialist
 Apple Teacher
 (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
> On Jan 24, 2022, at 03:20, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  > wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> For the second time in less than a month, my Apple Watch has gone 
> completely silent while I was 

Re: Help please, Apple Watch gone completely silent

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

I’ve seen that, but how do you unmute once you’ve activated it by covering the 
watch with your hand?
Thanks,
Donna


> On Jan 24, 2022, at 11:38 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> One extra thing.  If you do decide to leave sounds on, the “Cover to Mute” 
> option that you mentioned is found in the Watch app on your iPhone, under 
> Sounds & Haptics.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Jan 24, 2022, at 10:29, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Lol! I sure hope you’re right.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 24, 2022, at 11:28 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Hopefully, there isn’t a next time.
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
 On Jan 24, 2022, at 10:27, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 
 Yeah, I could have my husband look at it.  I’ll do that if there is a next 
 time.
 Cheers,
 Donna
 
> On Jan 24, 2022, at 11:24 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  > wrote:
> 
> HI,
> 
> Do you have someone sighted that can look at the watch, or maybe Seeing 
> AI, to see if there’s anything visible on the screen?  I ask this because 
> if the Watch somehow went into Power Reserve mode, the time would still 
> appear on the screen, but there would be no sound at all.  Someone else 
> had a similar issue last week where their watch appeared to randomly do 
> what yours did.  It’s possible that there’s a bug whereby Power Reserve 
> is coming on even though you don’t tell it to.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Jan 24, 2022, at 10:19, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, Tim,
>> 
>> Thanks for the response and the explanation.  I’ve never been really 
>> clear with the difference between silent mode and theater mode, because 
>> I don’t use either of them—though I definitely get you getting tired of 
>> the various noises.  After reading your message, I may give silent mode 
>> a try. :)
>> 
>> I did end up doing exactly what you suggested, and it did work.  But I 
>> would still love to know what’s making the watch go so silent.  I 
>> checked both the battery level and the volume from my phone, and both 
>> were fine.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 24, 2022, at 11:12 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Donna,
>>> 
>>> Theatre Mode and Silent Mode will not affect VoiceOver.  I have mine in 
>>> Silent Mode 100% of the time.  I get annoyed with all the dings, dangs, 
>>> bings, bongs, tinks and whatever other onomatopoeia noises I can come 
>>> up with :).
>>> FYI, Silent mode silences alert sounds, Theatre Mode turns on Silent 
>>> Mode and dims the screen.   Again, neither affect VO.  Theatre Mode is 
>>> normally disabled by waking the screen, so something you did should 
>>> have waked it.  I suggest that you hold in the side button for 10 
>>> seconds then release.  This should restart your Apple Watch and 
>>> VoiceOver should start speaking again once the restart has completed.
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
 On Jan 24, 2022, at 03:20, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 For the second time in less than a month, my Apple Watch has gone 
 completely silent while I was sleeping.  I have no speech, no haptic 
 feedback, and I hear none of the typical chirps and clicks that come 
 with waking up the watch.  Last time this happened, I ended up 
 resetting the thing, and I really don’t want to do that again.  I’m 
 hoping that somehow I’ve just muted it, or started theater mode in my 
 sleep.
 
 1.  If I accidentally started the mute that you can start by covering 
 the watch with your 

Re: Help please, Apple Watch gone completely silent

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

One extra thing.  If you do decide to leave sounds on, the “Cover to Mute” 
option that you mentioned is found in the Watch app on your iPhone, under 
Sounds & Haptics.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Jan 24, 2022, at 10:29, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Lol! I sure hope you’re right.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Jan 24, 2022, at 11:28 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Hopefully, there isn’t a next time.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On Jan 24, 2022, at 10:27, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yeah, I could have my husband look at it.  I’ll do that if there is a next 
>>> time.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
 On Jan 24, 2022, at 11:24 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 
 HI,
 
 Do you have someone sighted that can look at the watch, or maybe Seeing 
 AI, to see if there’s anything visible on the screen?  I ask this because 
 if the Watch somehow went into Power Reserve mode, the time would still 
 appear on the screen, but there would be no sound at all.  Someone else 
 had a similar issue last week where their watch appeared to randomly do 
 what yours did.  It’s possible that there’s a bug whereby Power Reserve is 
 coming on even though you don’t tell it to.
 
 Later…
 
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Jamf Certified Tech
 Apple Professional Learning Specialist
 Apple Teacher
 (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
> On Jan 24, 2022, at 10:19, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  > wrote:
> 
> Hi, Tim,
> 
> Thanks for the response and the explanation.  I’ve never been really 
> clear with the difference between silent mode and theater mode, because I 
> don’t use either of them—though I definitely get you getting tired of the 
> various noises.  After reading your message, I may give silent mode a 
> try. :)
> 
> I did end up doing exactly what you suggested, and it did work.  But I 
> would still love to know what’s making the watch go so silent.  I checked 
> both the battery level and the volume from my phone, and both were fine.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Jan 24, 2022, at 11:12 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Donna,
>> 
>> Theatre Mode and Silent Mode will not affect VoiceOver.  I have mine in 
>> Silent Mode 100% of the time.  I get annoyed with all the dings, dangs, 
>> bings, bongs, tinks and whatever other onomatopoeia noises I can come up 
>> with :).
>> FYI, Silent mode silences alert sounds, Theatre Mode turns on Silent 
>> Mode and dims the screen.   Again, neither affect VO.  Theatre Mode is 
>> normally disabled by waking the screen, so something you did should have 
>> waked it.  I suggest that you hold in the side button for 10 seconds 
>> then release.  This should restart your Apple Watch and VoiceOver should 
>> start speaking again once the restart has completed.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On Jan 24, 2022, at 03:20, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>> >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> For the second time in less than a month, my Apple Watch has gone 
>>> completely silent while I was sleeping.  I have no speech, no haptic 
>>> feedback, and I hear none of the typical chirps and clicks that come 
>>> with waking up the watch.  Last time this happened, I ended up 
>>> resetting the thing, and I really don’t want to do that again.  I’m 
>>> hoping that somehow I’ve just muted it, or started theater mode in my 
>>> sleep.
>>> 
>>> 1.  If I accidentally started the mute that you can start by covering 
>>> the watch with your hand, how do I turn that off?
>>> 2.  If I somehow started  Theater Mode, how can I turn that off?
>>> 3.  Is there some way to access the Control Center for the watch from 
>>> my phone?  I’ve looked in the Watch app, but didn’t see it
>>> 4.  Does anyone have any other suggestions?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> The following information is important for 

Re: Help please, Apple Watch gone completely silent

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Lol! I sure hope you’re right.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Jan 24, 2022, at 11:28 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Hopefully, there isn’t a next time.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Jan 24, 2022, at 10:27, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Yeah, I could have my husband look at it.  I’ll do that if there is a next 
>> time.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Jan 24, 2022, at 11:24 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> HI,
>>> 
>>> Do you have someone sighted that can look at the watch, or maybe Seeing AI, 
>>> to see if there’s anything visible on the screen?  I ask this because if 
>>> the Watch somehow went into Power Reserve mode, the time would still appear 
>>> on the screen, but there would be no sound at all.  Someone else had a 
>>> similar issue last week where their watch appeared to randomly do what 
>>> yours did.  It’s possible that there’s a bug whereby Power Reserve is 
>>> coming on even though you don’t tell it to.
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
 On Jan 24, 2022, at 10:19, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 
 Hi, Tim,
 
 Thanks for the response and the explanation.  I’ve never been really clear 
 with the difference between silent mode and theater mode, because I don’t 
 use either of them—though I definitely get you getting tired of the 
 various noises.  After reading your message, I may give silent mode a try. 
 :)
 
 I did end up doing exactly what you suggested, and it did work.  But I 
 would still love to know what’s making the watch go so silent.  I checked 
 both the battery level and the volume from my phone, and both were fine.
 Cheers,
 Donna
 
 
> On Jan 24, 2022, at 11:12 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna,
> 
> Theatre Mode and Silent Mode will not affect VoiceOver.  I have mine in 
> Silent Mode 100% of the time.  I get annoyed with all the dings, dangs, 
> bings, bongs, tinks and whatever other onomatopoeia noises I can come up 
> with :).
> FYI, Silent mode silences alert sounds, Theatre Mode turns on Silent Mode 
> and dims the screen.   Again, neither affect VO.  Theatre Mode is 
> normally disabled by waking the screen, so something you did should have 
> waked it.  I suggest that you hold in the side button for 10 seconds then 
> release.  This should restart your Apple Watch and VoiceOver should start 
> speaking again once the restart has completed.
> 
> Later…
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Jan 24, 2022, at 03:20, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> For the second time in less than a month, my Apple Watch has gone 
>> completely silent while I was sleeping.  I have no speech, no haptic 
>> feedback, and I hear none of the typical chirps and clicks that come 
>> with waking up the watch.  Last time this happened, I ended up resetting 
>> the thing, and I really don’t want to do that again.  I’m hoping that 
>> somehow I’ve just muted it, or started theater mode in my sleep.
>> 
>> 1.  If I accidentally started the mute that you can start by covering 
>> the watch with your hand, how do I turn that off?
>> 2.  If I somehow started  Theater Mode, how can I turn that off?
>> 3.  Is there some way to access the Control Center for the watch from my 
>> phone?  I’ve looked in the Watch app, but didn’t see it
>> 4.  Does anyone have any other suggestions?
>> Thanks,
>> Donna
>> 
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Re: Help please, Apple Watch gone completely silent

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

Hopefully, there isn’t a next time.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Jan 24, 2022, at 10:27, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yeah, I could have my husband look at it.  I’ll do that if there is a next 
> time.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On Jan 24, 2022, at 11:24 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> HI,
>> 
>> Do you have someone sighted that can look at the watch, or maybe Seeing AI, 
>> to see if there’s anything visible on the screen?  I ask this because if the 
>> Watch somehow went into Power Reserve mode, the time would still appear on 
>> the screen, but there would be no sound at all.  Someone else had a similar 
>> issue last week where their watch appeared to randomly do what yours did.  
>> It’s possible that there’s a bug whereby Power Reserve is coming on even 
>> though you don’t tell it to.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On Jan 24, 2022, at 10:19, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi, Tim,
>>> 
>>> Thanks for the response and the explanation.  I’ve never been really clear 
>>> with the difference between silent mode and theater mode, because I don’t 
>>> use either of them—though I definitely get you getting tired of the various 
>>> noises.  After reading your message, I may give silent mode a try. :)
>>> 
>>> I did end up doing exactly what you suggested, and it did work.  But I 
>>> would still love to know what’s making the watch go so silent.  I checked 
>>> both the battery level and the volume from my phone, and both were fine.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jan 24, 2022, at 11:12 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 
 Hi Donna,
 
 Theatre Mode and Silent Mode will not affect VoiceOver.  I have mine in 
 Silent Mode 100% of the time.  I get annoyed with all the dings, dangs, 
 bings, bongs, tinks and whatever other onomatopoeia noises I can come up 
 with :).
 FYI, Silent mode silences alert sounds, Theatre Mode turns on Silent Mode 
 and dims the screen.   Again, neither affect VO.  Theatre Mode is normally 
 disabled by waking the screen, so something you did should have waked it.  
 I suggest that you hold in the side button for 10 seconds then release.  
 This should restart your Apple Watch and VoiceOver should start speaking 
 again once the restart has completed.
 
 Later…
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Jamf Certified Tech
 Apple Professional Learning Specialist
 Apple Teacher
 (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
> On Jan 24, 2022, at 03:20, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  > wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> For the second time in less than a month, my Apple Watch has gone 
> completely silent while I was sleeping.  I have no speech, no haptic 
> feedback, and I hear none of the typical chirps and clicks that come with 
> waking up the watch.  Last time this happened, I ended up resetting the 
> thing, and I really don’t want to do that again.  I’m hoping that somehow 
> I’ve just muted it, or started theater mode in my sleep.
> 
> 1.  If I accidentally started the mute that you can start by covering the 
> watch with your hand, how do I turn that off?
> 2.  If I somehow started  Theater Mode, how can I turn that off?
> 3.  Is there some way to access the Control Center for the watch from my 
> phone?  I’ve looked in the Watch app, but didn’t see it
> 4.  Does anyone have any other suggestions?
> Thanks,
> Donna
> 
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> Visionaries list.
> 
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Re: Help please, Apple Watch gone completely silent

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Yeah, I could have my husband look at it.  I’ll do that if there is a next time.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Jan 24, 2022, at 11:24 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> HI,
> 
> Do you have someone sighted that can look at the watch, or maybe Seeing AI, 
> to see if there’s anything visible on the screen?  I ask this because if the 
> Watch somehow went into Power Reserve mode, the time would still appear on 
> the screen, but there would be no sound at all.  Someone else had a similar 
> issue last week where their watch appeared to randomly do what yours did.  
> It’s possible that there’s a bug whereby Power Reserve is coming on even 
> though you don’t tell it to.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
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> 
>> On Jan 24, 2022, at 10:19, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, Tim,
>> 
>> Thanks for the response and the explanation.  I’ve never been really clear 
>> with the difference between silent mode and theater mode, because I don’t 
>> use either of them—though I definitely get you getting tired of the various 
>> noises.  After reading your message, I may give silent mode a try. :)
>> 
>> I did end up doing exactly what you suggested, and it did work.  But I would 
>> still love to know what’s making the watch go so silent.  I checked both the 
>> battery level and the volume from my phone, and both were fine.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 24, 2022, at 11:12 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Donna,
>>> 
>>> Theatre Mode and Silent Mode will not affect VoiceOver.  I have mine in 
>>> Silent Mode 100% of the time.  I get annoyed with all the dings, dangs, 
>>> bings, bongs, tinks and whatever other onomatopoeia noises I can come up 
>>> with :).
>>> FYI, Silent mode silences alert sounds, Theatre Mode turns on Silent Mode 
>>> and dims the screen.   Again, neither affect VO.  Theatre Mode is normally 
>>> disabled by waking the screen, so something you did should have waked it.  
>>> I suggest that you hold in the side button for 10 seconds then release.  
>>> This should restart your Apple Watch and VoiceOver should start speaking 
>>> again once the restart has completed.
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
 On Jan 24, 2022, at 03:20, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 For the second time in less than a month, my Apple Watch has gone 
 completely silent while I was sleeping.  I have no speech, no haptic 
 feedback, and I hear none of the typical chirps and clicks that come with 
 waking up the watch.  Last time this happened, I ended up resetting the 
 thing, and I really don’t want to do that again.  I’m hoping that somehow 
 I’ve just muted it, or started theater mode in my sleep.
 
 1.  If I accidentally started the mute that you can start by covering the 
 watch with your hand, how do I turn that off?
 2.  If I somehow started  Theater Mode, how can I turn that off?
 3.  Is there some way to access the Control Center for the watch from my 
 phone?  I’ve looked in the Watch app, but didn’t see it
 4.  Does anyone have any other suggestions?
 Thanks,
 Donna
 
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Re: Help please, Apple Watch gone completely silent

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

HI,

Do you have someone sighted that can look at the watch, or maybe Seeing AI, to 
see if there’s anything visible on the screen?  I ask this because if the Watch 
somehow went into Power Reserve mode, the time would still appear on the 
screen, but there would be no sound at all.  Someone else had a similar issue 
last week where their watch appeared to randomly do what yours did.  It’s 
possible that there’s a bug whereby Power Reserve is coming on even though you 
don’t tell it to.

Later…


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Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Jan 24, 2022, at 10:19, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi, Tim,
> 
> Thanks for the response and the explanation.  I’ve never been really clear 
> with the difference between silent mode and theater mode, because I don’t use 
> either of them—though I definitely get you getting tired of the various 
> noises.  After reading your message, I may give silent mode a try. :)
> 
> I did end up doing exactly what you suggested, and it did work.  But I would 
> still love to know what’s making the watch go so silent.  I checked both the 
> battery level and the volume from my phone, and both were fine.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Jan 24, 2022, at 11:12 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Donna,
>> 
>> Theatre Mode and Silent Mode will not affect VoiceOver.  I have mine in 
>> Silent Mode 100% of the time.  I get annoyed with all the dings, dangs, 
>> bings, bongs, tinks and whatever other onomatopoeia noises I can come up 
>> with :).
>> FYI, Silent mode silences alert sounds, Theatre Mode turns on Silent Mode 
>> and dims the screen.   Again, neither affect VO.  Theatre Mode is normally 
>> disabled by waking the screen, so something you did should have waked it.  I 
>> suggest that you hold in the side button for 10 seconds then release.  This 
>> should restart your Apple Watch and VoiceOver should start speaking again 
>> once the restart has completed.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On Jan 24, 2022, at 03:20, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> For the second time in less than a month, my Apple Watch has gone 
>>> completely silent while I was sleeping.  I have no speech, no haptic 
>>> feedback, and I hear none of the typical chirps and clicks that come with 
>>> waking up the watch.  Last time this happened, I ended up resetting the 
>>> thing, and I really don’t want to do that again.  I’m hoping that somehow 
>>> I’ve just muted it, or started theater mode in my sleep.
>>> 
>>> 1.  If I accidentally started the mute that you can start by covering the 
>>> watch with your hand, how do I turn that off?
>>> 2.  If I somehow started  Theater Mode, how can I turn that off?
>>> 3.  Is there some way to access the Control Center for the watch from my 
>>> phone?  I’ve looked in the Watch app, but didn’t see it
>>> 4.  Does anyone have any other suggestions?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Donna
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Re: Help please, Apple Watch gone completely silent

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi, Tim,

Thanks for the response and the explanation.  I’ve never been really clear with 
the difference between silent mode and theater mode, because I don’t use either 
of them—though I definitely get you getting tired of the various noises.  After 
reading your message, I may give silent mode a try. :)

I did end up doing exactly what you suggested, and it did work.  But I would 
still love to know what’s making the watch go so silent.  I checked both the 
battery level and the volume from my phone, and both were fine.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Jan 24, 2022, at 11:12 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna,
> 
> Theatre Mode and Silent Mode will not affect VoiceOver.  I have mine in 
> Silent Mode 100% of the time.  I get annoyed with all the dings, dangs, 
> bings, bongs, tinks and whatever other onomatopoeia noises I can come up with 
> :).
> FYI, Silent mode silences alert sounds, Theatre Mode turns on Silent Mode and 
> dims the screen.   Again, neither affect VO.  Theatre Mode is normally 
> disabled by waking the screen, so something you did should have waked it.  I 
> suggest that you hold in the side button for 10 seconds then release.  This 
> should restart your Apple Watch and VoiceOver should start speaking again 
> once the restart has completed.
> 
> Later…
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Jan 24, 2022, at 03:20, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> For the second time in less than a month, my Apple Watch has gone completely 
>> silent while I was sleeping.  I have no speech, no haptic feedback, and I 
>> hear none of the typical chirps and clicks that come with waking up the 
>> watch.  Last time this happened, I ended up resetting the thing, and I 
>> really don’t want to do that again.  I’m hoping that somehow I’ve just muted 
>> it, or started theater mode in my sleep.
>> 
>> 1.  If I accidentally started the mute that you can start by covering the 
>> watch with your hand, how do I turn that off?
>> 2.  If I somehow started  Theater Mode, how can I turn that off?
>> 3.  Is there some way to access the Control Center for the watch from my 
>> phone?  I’ve looked in the Watch app, but didn’t see it
>> 4.  Does anyone have any other suggestions?
>> Thanks,
>> Donna
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Re: Help please, Apple Watch gone completely silent

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Donna,

Theatre Mode and Silent Mode will not affect VoiceOver.  I have mine in Silent 
Mode 100% of the time.  I get annoyed with all the dings, dangs, bings, bongs, 
tinks and whatever other onomatopoeia noises I can come up with :).
FYI, Silent mode silences alert sounds, Theatre Mode turns on Silent Mode and 
dims the screen.   Again, neither affect VO.  Theatre Mode is normally disabled 
by waking the screen, so something you did should have waked it.  I suggest 
that you hold in the side button for 10 seconds then release.  This should 
restart your Apple Watch and VoiceOver should start speaking again once the 
restart has completed.

Later…

Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Jan 24, 2022, at 03:20, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> For the second time in less than a month, my Apple Watch has gone completely 
> silent while I was sleeping.  I have no speech, no haptic feedback, and I 
> hear none of the typical chirps and clicks that come with waking up the 
> watch.  Last time this happened, I ended up resetting the thing, and I really 
> don’t want to do that again.  I’m hoping that somehow I’ve just muted it, or 
> started theater mode in my sleep.
> 
> 1.  If I accidentally started the mute that you can start by covering the 
> watch with your hand, how do I turn that off?
> 2.  If I somehow started  Theater Mode, how can I turn that off?
> 3.  Is there some way to access the Control Center for the watch from my 
> phone?  I’ve looked in the Watch app, but didn’t see it
> 4.  Does anyone have any other suggestions?
> Thanks,
> Donna
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Help please, Apple Watch gone completely silent

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi all,

For the second time in less than a month, my Apple Watch has gone completely 
silent while I was sleeping.  I have no speech, no haptic feedback, and I hear 
none of the typical chirps and clicks that come with waking up the watch.  Last 
time this happened, I ended up resetting the thing, and I really don’t want to 
do that again.  I’m hoping that somehow I’ve just muted it, or started theater 
mode in my sleep.

1.  If I accidentally started the mute that you can start by covering the watch 
with your hand, how do I turn that off?
2.  If I somehow started  Theater Mode, how can I turn that off?
3.  Is there some way to access the Control Center for the watch from my phone? 
 I’ve looked in the Watch app, but didn’t see it
4.  Does anyone have any other suggestions?
Thanks,
Donna

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Re: TextEdit, moving / altering the margins, Help please.

['Ron' via MacVisionaries]

 thanks for the reply, I think the problem was that I had forgotton what to do! 
Seem to have gotten it sorted now. Thanks again Ron.



> On 17 Dec 2021, at 17:22, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi,
> 
> They should be in the ruler.  Do you still see the ruler and are you able to 
> interact with it?
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
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>> On Dec 17, 2021, at 02:37, 'Ron' via MacVisionaries 
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>> Thanks Tim, that explains why I could not figure out how to do it. Many 
>> thanks for your advice. However the indent markers no longer seem to be 
>> available. Have I somehow switched them off?, Ron
>> .
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 16 Dec 2021, at 17:56, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> According to this Apple Support document, you cannot change the margins in 
>>> TextEdit, you’ll need to open it in Pages if you wish to change margins.
>>> 
>>> https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/textedit/txte313927e3/mac
>>> 
>>> Also, note that when using VoiceOver, you set a tab by pressing VO-space on 
>>> the ruler location, VO-delete will remove the tab at that location.  Adjust 
>>> tabs by interacting with the tab, then using VO-left or VO-right to move it 
>>> left or right.
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
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>>> 
 On Dec 16, 2021, at 07:15, 'Ron' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 I am trying to set the margins smaller to print closer to the edge of the 
 paper, likewise with the header and footer. I would also like to set this 
 as the default. II have enabled the ruler but haven't been able to 
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Hi,

They should be in the ruler.  Do you still see the ruler and are you able to 
interact with it?

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> On Dec 17, 2021, at 02:37, 'Ron' via MacVisionaries 
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> 
> Thanks Tim, that explains why I could not figure out how to do it. Many 
> thanks for your advice. However the indent markers no longer seem to be 
> available. Have I somehow switched them off?, Ron
> .
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 16 Dec 2021, at 17:56, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> According to this Apple Support document, you cannot change the margins in 
>> TextEdit, you’ll need to open it in Pages if you wish to change margins.
>> 
>> https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/textedit/txte313927e3/mac
>> 
>> Also, note that when using VoiceOver, you set a tab by pressing VO-space on 
>> the ruler location, VO-delete will remove the tab at that location.  Adjust 
>> tabs by interacting with the tab, then using VO-left or VO-right to move it 
>> left or right.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On Dec 16, 2021, at 07:15, 'Ron' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I am trying to set the margins smaller to print closer to the edge of the 
>>> paper, likewise with the header and footer. I would also like to set this 
>>> as the default. II have enabled the ruler but haven't been able to 
>>> acomplish the above. Anyone able to offer any pointers in the right 
>>> direction, thanks Ron.
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Re: TextEdit, moving / altering the margins, Help please.

['Ron' via MacVisionaries]

Thanks Tim, that explains why I could not figure out how to do it. Many thanks 
for your advice. However the indent markers no longer seem to be available. 
Have I somehow switched them off?, Ron
.





> On 16 Dec 2021, at 17:56, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi,
> 
> According to this Apple Support document, you cannot change the margins in 
> TextEdit, you’ll need to open it in Pages if you wish to change margins.
> 
> https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/textedit/txte313927e3/mac
> 
> Also, note that when using VoiceOver, you set a tab by pressing VO-space on 
> the ruler location, VO-delete will remove the tab at that location.  Adjust 
> tabs by interacting with the tab, then using VO-left or VO-right to move it 
> left or right.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
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> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
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> 
>> On Dec 16, 2021, at 07:15, 'Ron' via MacVisionaries 
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>> I am trying to set the margins smaller to print closer to the edge of the 
>> paper, likewise with the header and footer. I would also like to set this as 
>> the default. II have enabled the ruler but haven't been able to acomplish 
>> the above. Anyone able to offer any pointers in the right direction, thanks 
>> Ron.
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Re: TextEdit, moving / altering the margins, Help please.

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

According to this Apple Support document, you cannot change the margins in 
TextEdit, you’ll need to open it in Pages if you wish to change margins.

https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/textedit/txte313927e3/mac 


Also, note that when using VoiceOver, you set a tab by pressing VO-space on the 
ruler location, VO-delete will remove the tab at that location.  Adjust tabs by 
interacting with the tab, then using VO-left or VO-right to move it left or 
right.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
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Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
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TextEdit, moving / altering the margins, Help please.

['Ron' via MacVisionaries]

I am trying to set the margins smaller to print closer to the edge of the 
paper, likewise with the header and footer. I would also like to set this as 
the default. II have enabled the ruler but haven't been able to acomplish the 
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Re: Slack and Voice-over, Can anyone help please?

[Matthew Janusauskas]

Yes, it appears the regression causing the VoiceOver speech interruption issue 
has been resolved. 


> On Oct 20, 2021, at 8:39 AM, Brandon Olivares  
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> Hi,
> 
> Slack seems to be working again. has anyone else noticed that?
> 
> Brandon
> 
> On Fri, Oct 8, 2021 at 12:05 PM Sadam Ahmed  > wrote:
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> I’ve recently started a new role as QA software tester at a new firm. 
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> Whilst the iPhone app is a bit clunky, I'm able to use it to smash my KPI’S. 
> Unfortunately, the same can’t be said of the desktop app. 
> I’m noticing VO cutting off speech and a horrible UI in general. 
> 
> Would love to utilise my MacBook Pro M1 and upcoming iMac for more of my 
> workflow in this position. 
> I thank you in advance for any feedback. 
> Love this list as it’s always been helpful when I’ve asked for help in the 
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> Sincerely, 
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Re: Slack and Voice-over, Can anyone help please?

[Brandon Olivares]

Hi,

Slack seems to be working again. has anyone else noticed that?

Brandon

On Fri, Oct 8, 2021 at 12:05 PM Sadam Ahmed  wrote:

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> I’ve recently started a new role as QA software tester at a new firm.
> A lot of my responsibilities and tasks come via Slack.
> Whilst the iPhone app is a bit clunky, I'm able to use it to smash my
> KPI’S.
> Unfortunately, the same can’t be said of the desktop app.
> I’m noticing VO cutting off speech and a horrible UI in general.
>
> Would love to utilise my MacBook Pro M1 and upcoming iMac for more of my
> workflow in this position.
> I thank you in advance for any feedback.
> Love this list as it’s always been helpful when I’ve asked for help in the
> past.
> Sincerely,
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Re: Slack and Voice-over, Can anyone help please?

[Sadam Ahmed]

I would concur with you and will do this over the weekend. 
I really appreciate your insight as well as others who commented on this 
thread. 
Sincerely, 
Sadam Mohamed Ahmed 

> On 14 Oct 2021, at 4:29 am, Matthew Janusauskas  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> It will take less of your time to send a Slack message of 
> /feedback [Description of issue] 
> Then it has to send the emails to the mailing list. 
> 
> Much more effective than just hoping it will be fixed in my opinion. 
> 
> 
>> On Oct 13, 2021, at 6:29 AM, Sadam Ahmed  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks Matthew and and Brandon for the feedback. 
>> Yes, the desktop app is very disappointing at the moment. 
>> I shall send through a bug report but won’t get to it for a while as quite a 
>> number of large software projects are in beta or UAT mode. 
>> Will use the web UI for now or the iPhone or iPad app. 
>> Glad to know that it was working ok in the past. 
>> Hopefully, They will fix these bugs as Slack is used by a number of blind 
>> professionals and it would be advantageous for my workflow if I can just use 
>> Mac on the job. 
>> Sincerely, 
>> Sadam Ahmed 
>> 
>>> On 13 Oct 2021, at 11:42 am, Matthew Janusauskas  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> It appears to be a recent regression. The easiest way to report it directly 
>>> to the Slack team is to use the /feebdack command from any conversation 
>>> window. 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Oct 8, 2021, at 11:17 AM, Brandon Olivares  
 wrote:
 
 Not sure when you started using it, but I literally just started noticing 
 this issue earlier this week. Before then, it worked great: no 
 interruptions in speech at all. I’ve been thinking of asking about it on 
 this list as well.
 
 The web version works pretty well if you want to try that. I’m hoping 
 whatever bug there is in the desktop app gets fixed. Not really sure if 
 it’s worth reporting or even how I would do it.
 
 Brandon
 
> On Oct 8, 2021, at 12:04 PM, Sadam Ahmed  wrote:
> 
> Hi all, 
> I’ve recently started a new role as QA software tester at a new firm. 
> A lot of my responsibilities and tasks come via Slack. 
> Whilst the iPhone app is a bit clunky, I'm able to use it to smash my 
> KPI’S. 
> Unfortunately, the same can’t be said of the desktop app. 
> I’m noticing VO cutting off speech and a horrible UI in general. 
> 
> Would love to utilise my MacBook Pro M1 and upcoming iMac for more of my 
> workflow in this position. 
> I thank you in advance for any feedback. 
> Love this list as it’s always been helpful when I’ve asked for help in 
> the past. 
> Sincerely, 
> Sadam Ahmed 
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Re: Slack and Voice-over, Can anyone help please?

[Matthew Janusauskas]

It will take less of your time to send a Slack message of 
/feedback [Description of issue] 
Then it has to send the emails to the mailing list. 

Much more effective than just hoping it will be fixed in my opinion. 


> On Oct 13, 2021, at 6:29 AM, Sadam Ahmed  wrote:
> 
> Thanks Matthew and and Brandon for the feedback. 
> Yes, the desktop app is very disappointing at the moment. 
> I shall send through a bug report but won’t get to it for a while as quite a 
> number of large software projects are in beta or UAT mode. 
> Will use the web UI for now or the iPhone or iPad app. 
> Glad to know that it was working ok in the past. 
> Hopefully, They will fix these bugs as Slack is used by a number of blind 
> professionals and it would be advantageous for my workflow if I can just use 
> Mac on the job. 
> Sincerely, 
> Sadam Ahmed 
> 
>> On 13 Oct 2021, at 11:42 am, Matthew Janusauskas  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> It appears to be a recent regression. The easiest way to report it directly 
>> to the Slack team is to use the /feebdack command from any conversation 
>> window. 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 8, 2021, at 11:17 AM, Brandon Olivares  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Not sure when you started using it, but I literally just started noticing 
>>> this issue earlier this week. Before then, it worked great: no 
>>> interruptions in speech at all. I’ve been thinking of asking about it on 
>>> this list as well.
>>> 
>>> The web version works pretty well if you want to try that. I’m hoping 
>>> whatever bug there is in the desktop app gets fixed. Not really sure if 
>>> it’s worth reporting or even how I would do it.
>>> 
>>> Brandon
>>> 
 On Oct 8, 2021, at 12:04 PM, Sadam Ahmed  wrote:
 
 Hi all, 
 I’ve recently started a new role as QA software tester at a new firm. 
 A lot of my responsibilities and tasks come via Slack. 
 Whilst the iPhone app is a bit clunky, I'm able to use it to smash my 
 KPI’S. 
 Unfortunately, the same can’t be said of the desktop app. 
 I’m noticing VO cutting off speech and a horrible UI in general. 
 
 Would love to utilise my MacBook Pro M1 and upcoming iMac for more of my 
 workflow in this position. 
 I thank you in advance for any feedback. 
 Love this list as it’s always been helpful when I’ve asked for help in the 
 past. 
 Sincerely, 
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Re: Slack and Voice-over, Can anyone help please?

[Sadam Ahmed]

Thanks Matthew and and Brandon for the feedback. 
 Yes, the desktop app is very disappointing at the moment. 
I shall send through a bug report but won’t get to it for a while as quite a 
number of large software projects are in beta or UAT mode. 
Will use the web UI for now or the iPhone or iPad app. 
Glad to know that it was working ok in the past. 
Hopefully, They will fix these bugs as Slack is used by a number of blind 
professionals and it would be advantageous for my workflow if I can just use 
Mac on the job. 
Sincerely, 
Sadam Ahmed 

> On 13 Oct 2021, at 11:42 am, Matthew Janusauskas  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> It appears to be a recent regression. The easiest way to report it directly 
> to the Slack team is to use the /feebdack command from any conversation 
> window. 
> 
> 
>> On Oct 8, 2021, at 11:17 AM, Brandon Olivares  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Not sure when you started using it, but I literally just started noticing 
>> this issue earlier this week. Before then, it worked great: no interruptions 
>> in speech at all. I’ve been thinking of asking about it on this list as well.
>> 
>> The web version works pretty well if you want to try that. I’m hoping 
>> whatever bug there is in the desktop app gets fixed. Not really sure if it’s 
>> worth reporting or even how I would do it.
>> 
>> Brandon
>> 
>>> On Oct 8, 2021, at 12:04 PM, Sadam Ahmed  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all, 
>>> I’ve recently started a new role as QA software tester at a new firm. 
>>> A lot of my responsibilities and tasks come via Slack. 
>>> Whilst the iPhone app is a bit clunky, I'm able to use it to smash my 
>>> KPI’S. 
>>> Unfortunately, the same can’t be said of the desktop app. 
>>> I’m noticing VO cutting off speech and a horrible UI in general. 
>>> 
>>> Would love to utilise my MacBook Pro M1 and upcoming iMac for more of my 
>>> workflow in this position. 
>>> I thank you in advance for any feedback. 
>>> Love this list as it’s always been helpful when I’ve asked for help in the 
>>> past. 
>>> Sincerely, 
>>> Sadam Ahmed 
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Re: Slack and Voice-over, Can anyone help please?

[Matthew Janusauskas]

 It appears to be a recent regression. The easiest way to report it directly to 
the Slack team is to use the /feebdack command from any conversation window. 


> On Oct 8, 2021, at 11:17 AM, Brandon Olivares  
> wrote:
> 
> Not sure when you started using it, but I literally just started noticing 
> this issue earlier this week. Before then, it worked great: no interruptions 
> in speech at all. I’ve been thinking of asking about it on this list as well.
> 
> The web version works pretty well if you want to try that. I’m hoping 
> whatever bug there is in the desktop app gets fixed. Not really sure if it’s 
> worth reporting or even how I would do it.
> 
> Brandon
> 
>> On Oct 8, 2021, at 12:04 PM, Sadam Ahmed  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all, 
>> I’ve recently started a new role as QA software tester at a new firm. 
>> A lot of my responsibilities and tasks come via Slack. 
>> Whilst the iPhone app is a bit clunky, I'm able to use it to smash my KPI’S. 
>> Unfortunately, the same can’t be said of the desktop app. 
>> I’m noticing VO cutting off speech and a horrible UI in general. 
>> 
>> Would love to utilise my MacBook Pro M1 and upcoming iMac for more of my 
>> workflow in this position. 
>> I thank you in advance for any feedback. 
>> Love this list as it’s always been helpful when I’ve asked for help in the 
>> past. 
>> Sincerely, 
>> Sadam Ahmed 
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Re: Slack and Voice-over, Can anyone help please?

[Brandon Olivares]

Not sure when you started using it, but I literally just started noticing this 
issue earlier this week. Before then, it worked great: no interruptions in 
speech at all. I’ve been thinking of asking about it on this list as well.

The web version works pretty well if you want to try that. I’m hoping whatever 
bug there is in the desktop app gets fixed. Not really sure if it’s worth 
reporting or even how I would do it.

Brandon

> On Oct 8, 2021, at 12:04 PM, Sadam Ahmed  wrote:
> 
> Hi all, 
> I’ve recently started a new role as QA software tester at a new firm. 
> A lot of my responsibilities and tasks come via Slack. 
> Whilst the iPhone app is a bit clunky, I'm able to use it to smash my KPI’S. 
> Unfortunately, the same can’t be said of the desktop app. 
> I’m noticing VO cutting off speech and a horrible UI in general. 
> 
> Would love to utilise my MacBook Pro M1 and upcoming iMac for more of my 
> workflow in this position. 
> I thank you in advance for any feedback. 
> Love this list as it’s always been helpful when I’ve asked for help in the 
> past. 
> Sincerely, 
> Sadam Ahmed 
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Slack and Voice-over, Can anyone help please?

[Sadam Ahmed]

Hi all, 
I’ve recently started a new role as QA software tester at a new firm. 
A lot of my responsibilities and tasks come via Slack. 
Whilst the iPhone app is a bit clunky, I'm able to use it to smash my KPI’S. 
Unfortunately, the same can’t be said of the desktop app. 
I’m noticing VO cutting off speech and a horrible UI in general. 

Would love to utilise my MacBook Pro M1 and upcoming iMac for more of my 
workflow in this position. 
I thank you in advance for any feedback. 
Love this list as it’s always been helpful when I’ve asked for help in the 
past. 
Sincerely, 
Sadam Ahmed 

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Re: Some issues with my IMac 2020 if someone can give me some help please.

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

I tried to pair it through the VO utility.  But the pairing keeps timing out.  
This is on the Focus 14 and 40.  I will get in touch with Accessability 
tomorrow.

Kawal.

> On 2 Sep 2020, at 18:17, Anders Holmberg  <mailto:and...@pipkrokodil.se>> wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> Do you pair it through the Vo-utility or the Bluetooth settings?
> I am not having such issues with the actilino i have.
> /A
> 
>> 2 sep. 2020 kl. 12:55 skrev kglists via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>:
>> 
>> My Focus Braille display won’t connect as the Bluetooth times out very fast. 
>> I have updated the firmware on the Braille display. I have now fixed my 
>> email settings as I cloud wouldn’t bring them all across.  
>>  
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 1, 2020 11:06 PM
>> To: via MacVisionaries > <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
>> Subject: Re: Some issues with my IMac 2020 if someone can give me some help 
>> please.
>>  
>> Hi!
>> What braille display?
>> It can be a bit tricky to do but you set that up in Vo Utility.
>> /A
>> 
>> 
>>> 1 sep. 2020 kl. 22:23 skrev kglists via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>:
>>>  
>>> Hi There.
>>>  
>>> I am having some trouble with my new IMac Mid 20 because I can’t find some 
>>> settings whilst setting up.
>>>  
>>> This wasn’t the case when I had the MacBook Pro 2015 nor was it when I set 
>>> up my last IMac which I recently got rid of.
>>>  
>>> Anyway, I can still do this using I O S so I must be missing a step.
>>>  
>>> Usually, I wish to send emails from my alias as I have about 5 of these but 
>>> only use two.
>>>  
>>> When I go in to the IMac Accounts menu and try to choose the from field so 
>>> that you can choose which account you send your message from the from field 
>>> isn’t there so you have the bcc field, high priority field and CC field but 
>>> I can’t find the from field.
>>>  
>>> If anyone can tell me how to get to it then I can send messages to my lists 
>>> that I am using my aliases on.  So if I create a new message, I have a BCC 
>>> field, CC Field, High priority field but not a from field.
>>>  
>>> I am also trying to set up my Braille display using Bluetooth but it’s 
>>> timing out very quickly.  I have made sure that my software on my Braille 
>>> display is up-to-date.
>>>  
>>> I hope that Big Seur will get me a chime for my IMac.
>>>  
>>> Thanks.
>>>  
>>> Kawal.
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Re: Some issues with my IMac 2020 if someone can give me some help please.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Do you pair it through the Vo-utility or the Bluetooth settings?
I am not having such issues with the actilino i have.
/A

> 2 sep. 2020 kl. 12:55 skrev kglists via MacVisionaries 
> :
> 
> My Focus Braille display won’t connect as the Bluetooth times out very fast. 
> I have updated the firmware on the Braille display. I have now fixed my email 
> settings as I cloud wouldn’t bring them all across.  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
> Sent: Tuesday, September 1, 2020 11:06 PM
> To: via MacVisionaries  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
> Subject: Re: Some issues with my IMac 2020 if someone can give me some help 
> please.
>  
> Hi!
> What braille display?
> It can be a bit tricky to do but you set that up in Vo Utility.
> /A
> 
> 
>> 1 sep. 2020 kl. 22:23 skrev kglists via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>:
>>  
>> Hi There.
>>  
>> I am having some trouble with my new IMac Mid 20 because I can’t find some 
>> settings whilst setting up.
>>  
>> This wasn’t the case when I had the MacBook Pro 2015 nor was it when I set 
>> up my last IMac which I recently got rid of.
>>  
>> Anyway, I can still do this using I O S so I must be missing a step.
>>  
>> Usually, I wish to send emails from my alias as I have about 5 of these but 
>> only use two.
>>  
>> When I go in to the IMac Accounts menu and try to choose the from field so 
>> that you can choose which account you send your message from the from field 
>> isn’t there so you have the bcc field, high priority field and CC field but 
>> I can’t find the from field.
>>  
>> If anyone can tell me how to get to it then I can send messages to my lists 
>> that I am using my aliases on.  So if I create a new message, I have a BCC 
>> field, CC Field, High priority field but not a from field.
>>  
>> I am also trying to set up my Braille display using Bluetooth but it’s 
>> timing out very quickly.  I have made sure that my software on my Braille 
>> display is up-to-date.
>>  
>> I hope that Big Seur will get me a chime for my IMac.
>>  
>> Thanks.
>>  
>> Kawal.
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RE: Some issues with my IMac 2020 if someone can give me some help please.

[kglists via MacVisionaries]

My Focus Braille display won’t connect as the Bluetooth times out very fast. I 
have updated the firmware on the Braille display. I have now fixed my email 
settings as I cloud wouldn’t bring them all across.  

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
Sent: Tuesday, September 1, 2020 11:06 PM
To: via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: Some issues with my IMac 2020 if someone can give me some help 
please.

 

Hi!

What braille display?

It can be a bit tricky to do but you set that up in Vo Utility.

/A





1 sep. 2020 kl. 22:23 skrev kglists via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >:

 

Hi There.

 

I am having some trouble with my new IMac Mid 20 because I can’t find some 
settings whilst setting up.

 

This wasn’t the case when I had the MacBook Pro 2015 nor was it when I set up 
my last IMac which I recently got rid of.

 

Anyway, I can still do this using I O S so I must be missing a step.

 

Usually, I wish to send emails from my alias as I have about 5 of these but 
only use two.

 

When I go in to the IMac Accounts menu and try to choose the from field so that 
you can choose which account you send your message from the from field isn’t 
there so you have the bcc field, high priority field and CC field but I can’t 
find the from field.

 

If anyone can tell me how to get to it then I can send messages to my lists 
that I am using my aliases on.  So if I create a new message, I have a BCC 
field, CC Field, High priority field but not a from field.

 

I am also trying to set up my Braille display using Bluetooth but it’s timing 
out very quickly.  I have made sure that my software on my Braille display is 
up-to-date.

 

I hope that Big Seur will get me a chime for my IMac.

 

Thanks.

 

Kawal.

 

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Re: Some issues with my IMac 2020 if someone can give me some help please.

['Sabahattin Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

If you open Preferences in Mail, go to the toolbar and press Accounts, make 
sure your iCloud account is selected in the table, then make sure you’re on the 
Account Information tab, look for the field called Email Address, you should 
have a pop-up button which if you press it, enumerates all your active 
addresses. You can compare that to the list on iOS, in Settings, Apple ID, 
iCloud, Mail (last item on screen), Allow Sending From. You should have all 
valid and active addresses selected.

And because this is contemporary Apple software, try a restart. You never know; 
it could just be a glitch.

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Re: Some issues with my IMac 2020 if someone can give me some help please.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
What braille display?
It can be a bit tricky to do but you set that up in Vo Utility.
/A

> 1 sep. 2020 kl. 22:23 skrev kglists via MacVisionaries 
> :
> 
> Hi There.
>  
> I am having some trouble with my new IMac Mid 20 because I can’t find some 
> settings whilst setting up.
>  
> This wasn’t the case when I had the MacBook Pro 2015 nor was it when I set up 
> my last IMac which I recently got rid of.
>  
> Anyway, I can still do this using I O S so I must be missing a step.
>  
> Usually, I wish to send emails from my alias as I have about 5 of these but 
> only use two.
>  
> When I go in to the IMac Accounts menu and try to choose the from field so 
> that you can choose which account you send your message from the from field 
> isn’t there so you have the bcc field, high priority field and CC field but I 
> can’t find the from field.
>  
> If anyone can tell me how to get to it then I can send messages to my lists 
> that I am using my aliases on.  So if I create a new message, I have a BCC 
> field, CC Field, High priority field but not a from field.
>  
> I am also trying to set up my Braille display using Bluetooth but it’s timing 
> out very quickly.  I have made sure that my software on my Braille display is 
> up-to-date.
>  
> I hope that Big Seur will get me a chime for my IMac.
>  
> Thanks.
>  
> Kawal.
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Some issues with my IMac 2020 if someone can give me some help please.

[kglists via MacVisionaries]

Hi There.

 

I am having some trouble with my new IMac Mid 20 because I can't find some
settings whilst setting up.

 

This wasn't the case when I had the MacBook Pro 2015 nor was it when I set
up my last IMac which I recently got rid of.

 

Anyway, I can still do this using I O S so I must be missing a step.

 

Usually, I wish to send emails from my alias as I have about 5 of these but
only use two.

 

When I go in to the IMac Accounts menu and try to choose the from field so
that you can choose which account you send your message from the from field
isn't there so you have the bcc field, high priority field and CC field but
I can't find the from field.

 

If anyone can tell me how to get to it then I can send messages to my lists
that I am using my aliases on.  So if I create a new message, I have a BCC
field, CC Field, High priority field but not a from field.

 

I am also trying to set up my Braille display using Bluetooth but it's
timing out very quickly.  I have made sure that my software on my Braille
display is up-to-date.

 

I hope that Big Seur will get me a chime for my IMac.

 

Thanks.

 

Kawal.

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Re: Urgent help please, my External Hd is in danger.

[Ramy Moustafa]

Very expensive for me. because i need more than 5 TB


> On Oct 23, 2018, at 3:43 PM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
> 
> Well, let me do a little searching around. Btw, apple iCloud has various 
> storage plans available, but they can start getting expensive. I pay $3 
> monthly for 128 GB of online storage. I think they have plans up to a 
> terabyte or so, but I haven’t looked recently.
> 
> 
>> On Oct 23, 2018, at 4:33 AM, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi:
>> 
>> I decided to subscribe on the amazon unlemeted storage,
>> but it’s over, it’s not available write now. am so ssad.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 22, 2018, at 4:03 PM, Matt  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Have you looked at backblaze?
>>> 
>>> Its $5.00 for unlimited storage a month.
>>> 
>>> On 10/22/2018 7:44 AM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:
 Aha, but how will i deal with chinees interface?
 \
 \also, is it like DRopbox, which it will compare my data and the old data?
 am looking now for a good backup apps or websites that can do this thing.
 It’s so frustrated to copy all my data again and again, all i need is 
 somehting that will look and compare my old data with new data to take the 
 new files.
 only.
 
 
> On Oct 22, 2018, at 8:37 AM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
> 
> Ouch. That sucks and if your drive is that full, getting an online backup 
> solution that is cheap won’t be easy. However, you might want to check 
> out these guys (note, the site where you sign up would be in Chinese, but 
> the procedure is quite detailed): 
> http://www.1mtb.com/how-to-get-36-tb-free-cloud-storage-from-qihoo-360-yunpan-cloud-drive/
> 
> If you are able to go through the whole thing, then you have 36 TB of 
> free online storage. I just wish they had a full English website.
> 
> Also, Amazon offers unlimited storage for about $5 per month for prime 
> members. They mean unlimited too.
> 
> So, you could spend a little cash and have a reasonably accessible 
> interface or go free and hope you can plow through the Chinese interface.
> 
> -Eric
> 
> 
>> On Oct 21, 2018, at 5:35 AM, Ramy Moustafa  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all my friends:
>> I got a new Seegate  HD.
>> after 2 or 3 weeks.
>> when opening my mac, i got a message that my Seegate Hd can not be 
>> scaned, i will not be able to save or copy on it, but still can access 
>> my data.
>> it asked me to take a backup from it very soon. and reformat My HD.
>> 
>> i went to disk utility,and made run 1st aid, and it failed.
>> i will write here what were failed during the scan:
>> THe Operation over all is failed.
>> 
>> details:
>> File system verify or repair. faile.
>> The volume see gate could not be verified completly.
>> Invalid Record count.
>> VOlume could not be unmounted.
>> It is 4 Tb. so taking all data is really difficult.
>> need to know your opinion,
>> and what can cause this issue?
>> 
>> thanks in advance
>> 
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Re: Urgent help please, my External Hd is in danger.

[Eric Oyen]

Well, let me do a little searching around. Btw, apple iCloud has various 
storage plans available, but they can start getting expensive. I pay $3 monthly 
for 128 GB of online storage. I think they have plans up to a terabyte or so, 
but I haven’t looked recently.


> On Oct 23, 2018, at 4:33 AM, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> 
> Hi:
> 
> I decided to subscribe on the amazon unlemeted storage,
> but it’s over, it’s not available write now. am so ssad.
> 
> 
>> On Oct 22, 2018, at 4:03 PM, Matt  wrote:
>> 
>> Have you looked at backblaze?
>> 
>> Its $5.00 for unlimited storage a month.
>> 
>> On 10/22/2018 7:44 AM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:
>>> Aha, but how will i deal with chinees interface?
>>> \
>>> \also, is it like DRopbox, which it will compare my data and the old data?
>>> am looking now for a good backup apps or websites that can do this thing.
>>> It’s so frustrated to copy all my data again and again, all i need is 
>>> somehting that will look and compare my old data with new data to take the 
>>> new files.
>>> only.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Oct 22, 2018, at 8:37 AM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
 
 Ouch. That sucks and if your drive is that full, getting an online backup 
 solution that is cheap won’t be easy. However, you might want to check out 
 these guys (note, the site where you sign up would be in Chinese, but the 
 procedure is quite detailed): 
 http://www.1mtb.com/how-to-get-36-tb-free-cloud-storage-from-qihoo-360-yunpan-cloud-drive/
 
 If you are able to go through the whole thing, then you have 36 TB of free 
 online storage. I just wish they had a full English website.
 
 Also, Amazon offers unlimited storage for about $5 per month for prime 
 members. They mean unlimited too.
 
 So, you could spend a little cash and have a reasonably accessible 
 interface or go free and hope you can plow through the Chinese interface.
 
 -Eric
 
 
> On Oct 21, 2018, at 5:35 AM, Ramy Moustafa  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi all my friends:
> I got a new Seegate  HD.
> after 2 or 3 weeks.
> when opening my mac, i got a message that my Seegate Hd can not be 
> scaned, i will not be able to save or copy on it, but still can access my 
> data.
> it asked me to take a backup from it very soon. and reformat My HD.
> 
> i went to disk utility,and made run 1st aid, and it failed.
> i will write here what were failed during the scan:
> THe Operation over all is failed.
> 
> details:
> File system verify or repair. faile.
> The volume see gate could not be verified completly.
> Invalid Record count.
> VOlume could not be unmounted.
> It is 4 Tb. so taking all data is really difficult.
> need to know your opinion,
> and what can cause this issue?
> 
> thanks in advance
> 
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Re: Urgent help please, my External Hd is in danger.

[Ramy Moustafa]

Hi:

I decided to subscribe on the amazon unlemeted storage,
but it’s over, it’s not available write now. am so ssad.


> On Oct 22, 2018, at 4:03 PM, Matt  wrote:
> 
> Have you looked at backblaze?
> 
> Its $5.00 for unlimited storage a month.
> 
> On 10/22/2018 7:44 AM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:
>> Aha, but how will i deal with chinees interface?
>> \
>> \also, is it like DRopbox, which it will compare my data and the old data?
>> am looking now for a good backup apps or websites that can do this thing.
>> It’s so frustrated to copy all my data again and again, all i need is 
>> somehting that will look and compare my old data with new data to take the 
>> new files.
>> only.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 22, 2018, at 8:37 AM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ouch. That sucks and if your drive is that full, getting an online backup 
>>> solution that is cheap won’t be easy. However, you might want to check out 
>>> these guys (note, the site where you sign up would be in Chinese, but the 
>>> procedure is quite detailed): 
>>> http://www.1mtb.com/how-to-get-36-tb-free-cloud-storage-from-qihoo-360-yunpan-cloud-drive/
>>> 
>>> If you are able to go through the whole thing, then you have 36 TB of free 
>>> online storage. I just wish they had a full English website.
>>> 
>>> Also, Amazon offers unlimited storage for about $5 per month for prime 
>>> members. They mean unlimited too.
>>> 
>>> So, you could spend a little cash and have a reasonably accessible 
>>> interface or go free and hope you can plow through the Chinese interface.
>>> 
>>> -Eric
>>> 
>>> 
 On Oct 21, 2018, at 5:35 AM, Ramy Moustafa  
 wrote:
 
 Hi all my friends:
 I got a new Seegate  HD.
 after 2 or 3 weeks.
 when opening my mac, i got a message that my Seegate Hd can not be scaned, 
 i will not be able to save or copy on it, but still can access my data.
 it asked me to take a backup from it very soon. and reformat My HD.
 
 i went to disk utility,and made run 1st aid, and it failed.
 i will write here what were failed during the scan:
 THe Operation over all is failed.
 
 details:
 File system verify or repair. faile.
 The volume see gate could not be verified completly.
 Invalid Record count.
 VOlume could not be unmounted.
 It is 4 Tb. so taking all data is really difficult.
 need to know your opinion,
 and what can cause this issue?
 
 thanks in advance
 
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Re: Urgent help please, my External Hd is in danger.

[Ramy Moustafa]

Ok, ok, but as i was asking, will it just check my data on different hard 
drives and compare them or what?


> On Oct 22, 2018, at 4:03 PM, Matt  wrote:
> 
> Have you looked at backblaze?
> 
> Its $5.00 for unlimited storage a month.
> 
> On 10/22/2018 7:44 AM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:
>> Aha, but how will i deal with chinees interface?
>> \
>> \also, is it like DRopbox, which it will compare my data and the old data?
>> am looking now for a good backup apps or websites that can do this thing.
>> It’s so frustrated to copy all my data again and again, all i need is 
>> somehting that will look and compare my old data with new data to take the 
>> new files.
>> only.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 22, 2018, at 8:37 AM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ouch. That sucks and if your drive is that full, getting an online backup 
>>> solution that is cheap won’t be easy. However, you might want to check out 
>>> these guys (note, the site where you sign up would be in Chinese, but the 
>>> procedure is quite detailed): 
>>> http://www.1mtb.com/how-to-get-36-tb-free-cloud-storage-from-qihoo-360-yunpan-cloud-drive/
>>> 
>>> If you are able to go through the whole thing, then you have 36 TB of free 
>>> online storage. I just wish they had a full English website.
>>> 
>>> Also, Amazon offers unlimited storage for about $5 per month for prime 
>>> members. They mean unlimited too.
>>> 
>>> So, you could spend a little cash and have a reasonably accessible 
>>> interface or go free and hope you can plow through the Chinese interface.
>>> 
>>> -Eric
>>> 
>>> 
 On Oct 21, 2018, at 5:35 AM, Ramy Moustafa  
 wrote:
 
 Hi all my friends:
 I got a new Seegate  HD.
 after 2 or 3 weeks.
 when opening my mac, i got a message that my Seegate Hd can not be scaned, 
 i will not be able to save or copy on it, but still can access my data.
 it asked me to take a backup from it very soon. and reformat My HD.
 
 i went to disk utility,and made run 1st aid, and it failed.
 i will write here what were failed during the scan:
 THe Operation over all is failed.
 
 details:
 File system verify or repair. faile.
 The volume see gate could not be verified completly.
 Invalid Record count.
 VOlume could not be unmounted.
 It is 4 Tb. so taking all data is really difficult.
 need to know your opinion,
 and what can cause this issue?
 
 thanks in advance
 
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Re: Urgent help please, my External Hd is in danger.

[Matt]

Have you looked at backblaze?

Its $5.00 for unlimited storage a month.

On 10/22/2018 7:44 AM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:

Aha, but how will i deal with chinees interface?
\
\also, is it like DRopbox, which it will compare my data and the old data?
am looking now for a good backup apps or websites that can do this thing.
It’s so frustrated to copy all my data again and again, all i need is somehting 
that will look and compare my old data with new data to take the new files.
only.



On Oct 22, 2018, at 8:37 AM, Eric Oyen  wrote:

Ouch. That sucks and if your drive is that full, getting an online backup 
solution that is cheap won’t be easy. However, you might want to check out 
these guys (note, the site where you sign up would be in Chinese, but the 
procedure is quite detailed): 
http://www.1mtb.com/how-to-get-36-tb-free-cloud-storage-from-qihoo-360-yunpan-cloud-drive/

If you are able to go through the whole thing, then you have 36 TB of free 
online storage. I just wish they had a full English website.

Also, Amazon offers unlimited storage for about $5 per month for prime members. 
They mean unlimited too.

So, you could spend a little cash and have a reasonably accessible interface or 
go free and hope you can plow through the Chinese interface.

-Eric



On Oct 21, 2018, at 5:35 AM, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:

Hi all my friends:
I got a new Seegate  HD.
after 2 or 3 weeks.
when opening my mac, i got a message that my Seegate Hd can not be scaned, i 
will not be able to save or copy on it, but still can access my data.
it asked me to take a backup from it very soon. and reformat My HD.

i went to disk utility,and made run 1st aid, and it failed.
i will write here what were failed during the scan:
THe Operation over all is failed.

details:
File system verify or repair. faile.
The volume see gate could not be verified completly.
Invalid Record count.
VOlume could not be unmounted.
It is 4 Tb. so taking all data is really difficult.
need to know your opinion,
and what can cause this issue?

thanks in advance

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Re: Urgent help please, my External Hd is in danger.

[Ramy Moustafa]

Aha, but how will i deal with chinees interface?
\
\also, is it like DRopbox, which it will compare my data and the old data?
am looking now for a good backup apps or websites that can do this thing.
It’s so frustrated to copy all my data again and again, all i need is somehting 
that will look and compare my old data with new data to take the new files.
only.


> On Oct 22, 2018, at 8:37 AM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
> 
> Ouch. That sucks and if your drive is that full, getting an online backup 
> solution that is cheap won’t be easy. However, you might want to check out 
> these guys (note, the site where you sign up would be in Chinese, but the 
> procedure is quite detailed): 
> http://www.1mtb.com/how-to-get-36-tb-free-cloud-storage-from-qihoo-360-yunpan-cloud-drive/
> 
> If you are able to go through the whole thing, then you have 36 TB of free 
> online storage. I just wish they had a full English website.
> 
> Also, Amazon offers unlimited storage for about $5 per month for prime 
> members. They mean unlimited too.
> 
> So, you could spend a little cash and have a reasonably accessible interface 
> or go free and hope you can plow through the Chinese interface.
> 
> -Eric
> 
> 
>> On Oct 21, 2018, at 5:35 AM, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all my friends:
>> I got a new Seegate  HD.
>> after 2 or 3 weeks.
>> when opening my mac, i got a message that my Seegate Hd can not be scaned, i 
>> will not be able to save or copy on it, but still can access my data.
>> it asked me to take a backup from it very soon. and reformat My HD.
>> 
>> i went to disk utility,and made run 1st aid, and it failed.
>> i will write here what were failed during the scan:
>> THe Operation over all is failed.
>> 
>> details:
>> File system verify or repair. faile.
>> The volume see gate could not be verified completly.
>> Invalid Record count.
>> VOlume could not be unmounted.
>> It is 4 Tb. so taking all data is really difficult.
>> need to know your opinion,
>> and what can cause this issue?
>> 
>> thanks in advance
>> 
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RE: Urgent help please, my External Hd is in danger.

[Simon Fogarty]

We have a site over here in NZ called Mega UpLoad,

It gives you 50GB for free,

Might be worth a start looking at something like that.

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Subject: Re: Urgent help please, my External Hd is in danger.

Ouch. That sucks and if your drive is that full, getting an online backup 
solution that is cheap won’t be easy. However, you might want to check out 
these guys (note, the site where you sign up would be in Chinese, but the 
procedure is quite detailed): 
http://www.1mtb.com/how-to-get-36-tb-free-cloud-storage-from-qihoo-360-yunpan-cloud-drive/

If you are able to go through the whole thing, then you have 36 TB of free 
online storage. I just wish they had a full English website.

Also, Amazon offers unlimited storage for about $5 per month for prime members. 
They mean unlimited too.

So, you could spend a little cash and have a reasonably accessible interface or 
go free and hope you can plow through the Chinese interface.

-Eric


> On Oct 21, 2018, at 5:35 AM, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> 
> Hi all my friends:
> I got a new Seegate  HD.
> after 2 or 3 weeks.
> when opening my mac, i got a message that my Seegate Hd can not be scaned, i 
> will not be able to save or copy on it, but still can access my data.
> it asked me to take a backup from it very soon. and reformat My HD.
> 
> i went to disk utility,and made run 1st aid, and it failed.
> i will write here what were failed during the scan:
> THe Operation over all is failed.
> 
> details:
> File system verify or repair. faile.
> The volume see gate could not be verified completly.
> Invalid Record count.
> VOlume could not be unmounted.
> It is 4 Tb. so taking all data is really difficult.
> need to know your opinion,
> and what can cause this issue?
> 
> thanks in advance
> 
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Re: Urgent help please, my External Hd is in danger.

[Eric Oyen]

Ouch. That sucks and if your drive is that full, getting an online backup 
solution that is cheap won’t be easy. However, you might want to check out 
these guys (note, the site where you sign up would be in Chinese, but the 
procedure is quite detailed): 
http://www.1mtb.com/how-to-get-36-tb-free-cloud-storage-from-qihoo-360-yunpan-cloud-drive/

If you are able to go through the whole thing, then you have 36 TB of free 
online storage. I just wish they had a full English website.

Also, Amazon offers unlimited storage for about $5 per month for prime members. 
They mean unlimited too.

So, you could spend a little cash and have a reasonably accessible interface or 
go free and hope you can plow through the Chinese interface.

-Eric


> On Oct 21, 2018, at 5:35 AM, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> 
> Hi all my friends:
> I got a new Seegate  HD.
> after 2 or 3 weeks.
> when opening my mac, i got a message that my Seegate Hd can not be scaned, i 
> will not be able to save or copy on it, but still can access my data.
> it asked me to take a backup from it very soon. and reformat My HD.
> 
> i went to disk utility,and made run 1st aid, and it failed.
> i will write here what were failed during the scan:
> THe Operation over all is failed.
> 
> details:
> File system verify or repair. faile.
> The volume see gate could not be verified completly.
> Invalid Record count.
> VOlume could not be unmounted.
> It is 4 Tb. so taking all data is really difficult.
> need to know your opinion,
> and what can cause this issue?
> 
> thanks in advance
> 
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Re: Urgent help please, my External Hd is in danger.

[Ramy Moustafa]

WIsh everything will be ok soon
thanks so much for helping 


> On Oct 21, 2018, at 8:22 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Formatting it to MacOS Extended (Journealed) is the best if you're only going 
> to be using it with a Mac.  Sometimes, there are just hardware problems in 
> the mass manufacturing of things.  I don't think that you did anything wrong, 
> it's just an unlucky fluke.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Oct 21, 2018, at 12:04, Ramy Moustafa  > wrote:
> 
> Hi tim:
> 
> Hope it will be the 2nd :D 
> will gona copy all my data. but strange that this HD is very new, i bought it 
> just from 3 weeks.
> but before formatting,i formatted it extended journaled, is it good, or i 
> must choose another kind of formatting?
> thanks in advance 
> 
> 
>> On Oct 21, 2018, at 5:04 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> This can be caused by either hardware failure of the drive itself, or 
>> corrupted formatting that causes bad sectors on the drive.  In the first 
>> case, you are usually out of luck and cannot recover data, other than bits 
>> and pieces.  In the second case, do as they say.  Get yourself a second 
>> drive of similar or larger size, and copy the data from the offending device 
>> to the new one.  This needs to be done in a timely manner, otherwise the 
>> problem tends to get worse and you risk losing all the data on the drive.  
>> If it is the latter of the two problems, you'll be able to reformat the 
>> drive and use it again without residual issues.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Oct 21, 2018, at 06:35, Ramy Moustafa > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all my friends:
>> I got a new Seegate  HD.
>> after 2 or 3 weeks.
>> when opening my mac, i got a message that my Seegate Hd can not be scaned, i 
>> will not be able to save or copy on it, but still can access my data.
>> it asked me to take a backup from it very soon. and reformat My HD.
>> 
>> i went to disk utility,and made run 1st aid, and it failed.
>> i will write here what were failed during the scan:
>> THe Operation over all is failed.
>> 
>> details:
>> File system verify or repair. faile.
>> The volume see gate could not be verified completly.
>> Invalid Record count.
>> VOlume could not be unmounted.
>> It is 4 Tb. so taking all data is really difficult.
>> need to know your opinion,
>> and what can cause this issue?
>> 
>> thanks in advance 
>> 
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Re: Urgent help please, my External Hd is in danger.

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

Formatting it to MacOS Extended (Journealed) is the best if you're only going 
to be using it with a Mac.  Sometimes, there are just hardware problems in the 
mass manufacturing of things.  I don't think that you did anything wrong, it's 
just an unlucky fluke.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 21, 2018, at 12:04, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:

Hi tim:

Hope it will be the 2nd :D 
will gona copy all my data. but strange that this HD is very new, i bought it 
just from 3 weeks.
but before formatting,i formatted it extended journaled, is it good, or i must 
choose another kind of formatting?
thanks in advance 


> On Oct 21, 2018, at 5:04 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> This can be caused by either hardware failure of the drive itself, or 
> corrupted formatting that causes bad sectors on the drive.  In the first 
> case, you are usually out of luck and cannot recover data, other than bits 
> and pieces.  In the second case, do as they say.  Get yourself a second drive 
> of similar or larger size, and copy the data from the offending device to the 
> new one.  This needs to be done in a timely manner, otherwise the problem 
> tends to get worse and you risk losing all the data on the drive.  If it is 
> the latter of the two problems, you'll be able to reformat the drive and use 
> it again without residual issues.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Oct 21, 2018, at 06:35, Ramy Moustafa  > wrote:
> 
> Hi all my friends:
> I got a new Seegate  HD.
> after 2 or 3 weeks.
> when opening my mac, i got a message that my Seegate Hd can not be scaned, i 
> will not be able to save or copy on it, but still can access my data.
> it asked me to take a backup from it very soon. and reformat My HD.
> 
> i went to disk utility,and made run 1st aid, and it failed.
> i will write here what were failed during the scan:
> THe Operation over all is failed.
> 
> details:
> File system verify or repair. faile.
> The volume see gate could not be verified completly.
> Invalid Record count.
> VOlume could not be unmounted.
> It is 4 Tb. so taking all data is really difficult.
> need to know your opinion,
> and what can cause this issue?
> 
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Re: Urgent help please, my External Hd is in danger.

[Ramy Moustafa]

Hi tim:

Hope it will be the 2nd :D 
will gona copy all my data. but strange that this HD is very new, i bought it 
just from 3 weeks.
but before formatting,i formatted it extended journaled, is it good, or i must 
choose another kind of formatting?
thanks in advance 


> On Oct 21, 2018, at 5:04 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi,
> 
> This can be caused by either hardware failure of the drive itself, or 
> corrupted formatting that causes bad sectors on the drive.  In the first 
> case, you are usually out of luck and cannot recover data, other than bits 
> and pieces.  In the second case, do as they say.  Get yourself a second drive 
> of similar or larger size, and copy the data from the offending device to the 
> new one.  This needs to be done in a timely manner, otherwise the problem 
> tends to get worse and you risk losing all the data on the drive.  If it is 
> the latter of the two problems, you'll be able to reformat the drive and use 
> it again without residual issues.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Oct 21, 2018, at 06:35, Ramy Moustafa  > wrote:
> 
> Hi all my friends:
> I got a new Seegate  HD.
> after 2 or 3 weeks.
> when opening my mac, i got a message that my Seegate Hd can not be scaned, i 
> will not be able to save or copy on it, but still can access my data.
> it asked me to take a backup from it very soon. and reformat My HD.
> 
> i went to disk utility,and made run 1st aid, and it failed.
> i will write here what were failed during the scan:
> THe Operation over all is failed.
> 
> details:
> File system verify or repair. faile.
> The volume see gate could not be verified completly.
> Invalid Record count.
> VOlume could not be unmounted.
> It is 4 Tb. so taking all data is really difficult.
> need to know your opinion,
> and what can cause this issue?
> 
> thanks in advance 
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Re: Urgent help please, my External Hd is in danger.

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

This can be caused by either hardware failure of the drive itself, or corrupted 
formatting that causes bad sectors on the drive.  In the first case, you are 
usually out of luck and cannot recover data, other than bits and pieces.  In 
the second case, do as they say.  Get yourself a second drive of similar or 
larger size, and copy the data from the offending device to the new one.  This 
needs to be done in a timely manner, otherwise the problem tends to get worse 
and you risk losing all the data on the drive.  If it is the latter of the two 
problems, you'll be able to reformat the drive and use it again without 
residual issues.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 21, 2018, at 06:35, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:

Hi all my friends:
I got a new Seegate  HD.
after 2 or 3 weeks.
when opening my mac, i got a message that my Seegate Hd can not be scaned, i 
will not be able to save or copy on it, but still can access my data.
it asked me to take a backup from it very soon. and reformat My HD.

i went to disk utility,and made run 1st aid, and it failed.
i will write here what were failed during the scan:
THe Operation over all is failed.

details:
File system verify or repair. faile.
The volume see gate could not be verified completly.
Invalid Record count.
VOlume could not be unmounted.
It is 4 Tb. so taking all data is really difficult.
need to know your opinion,
and what can cause this issue?

thanks in advance 

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Urgent help please, my External Hd is in danger.

[Ramy Moustafa]

Hi all my friends:
I got a new Seegate  HD.
after 2 or 3 weeks.
when opening my mac, i got a message that my Seegate Hd can not be scaned, i 
will not be able to save or copy on it, but still can access my data.
it asked me to take a backup from it very soon. and reformat My HD.

i went to disk utility,and made run 1st aid, and it failed.
i will write here what were failed during the scan:
THe Operation over all is failed.

details:
File system verify or repair. faile.
The volume see gate could not be verified completly.
Invalid Record count.
VOlume could not be unmounted.
It is 4 Tb. so taking all data is really difficult.
need to know your opinion,
and what can cause this issue?

thanks in advance 

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Re: Wordpress solution for Mac or simple html command creator, help please

[Des Delgadillo]

It does. MarsEdit reads out the size and orientation info of the image
you're inserting.


Another great benefit of MarsEdit is the developer is very responsive and
open to implementing any accessibility advice. Right now I would say its
entirely useable, but good to know the developer is on your side should any
trouble come up.
'

On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 3:17 AM, Daniela Rubio  wrote:

> Hello V.
>
> Thank you very much for your advice, I will definitely look at it.
>
> Mac Journal works also fine, but … my colleagues say that when they see
> the final result in the web, it breaks all the formatting.
>
> And an other question, does Marsedit allows us to place pictures in an
> accurate way?
>
> Thanks again!
>
> Best
>
> Daniela
>
>
> > El 3 ago 2018, a las 10:12, Des Delgadillo 
> escribió:
> >
> > Hi Daniela,
> >
> > In my experience, Mars Edit from Red Sweater Software is a god-send when
> it comes to WordPress. Incredibly accessible and you can sswitch between
> HTML and rich text with one easy key stroke.
> >
> > It's a paid program but definitely a worthwhile addition to any
> blogger's workflow.
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Aug 2, 2018, at 11:22 PM, Daniela Rubio  wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello, good morning.
> >>
> >> I am creating a website in Wordpress where I will be publishing
> content, like recipes and other advices regarding lifestyle, and I am
> taking ages to go around the Wordpress interface using the main panel in
> Safari.
> >>
> >> My real problem is that if I format my text with headings, lists, etc
> within that interface, the result is not always as expected using
> VoiceOver; and if I use an app like Mac Journal, sighted people say that
> the format is not visually correct, but VoiceOver doesn’t seem to detect
> any problem.
> >>
> >> I think that if I work with pure HTML formatting, my problem could be
> solved, but, is there an easy app where I can add snippets of text to
> create links, headings, etc, so the commands are always correct?
> >>
> >> Or does anybody have an other idea to make this easier and I can
> publish content in a practical way without sighted help and not spend ours
> in the same post?
> >>
> >> Thank you very much for any ideas!
> >>
> >> Best
> >>
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Re: Wordpress solution for Mac or simple html command creator, help please

[Daniela Rubio]

Hello V.

Thank you very much for your advice, I will definitely look at it.

Mac Journal works also fine, but … my colleagues say that when they see the 
final result in the web, it breaks all the formatting.

And an other question, does Marsedit allows us to place pictures in an accurate 
way?

Thanks again!

Best

Daniela


> El 3 ago 2018, a las 10:12, Des Delgadillo  escribió:
> 
> Hi Daniela,
> 
> In my experience, Mars Edit from Red Sweater Software is a god-send when it 
> comes to WordPress. Incredibly accessible and you can sswitch between HTML 
> and rich text with one easy key stroke. 
> 
> It's a paid program but definitely a worthwhile addition to any blogger's 
> workflow. 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 2, 2018, at 11:22 PM, Daniela Rubio  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello, good morning.
>> 
>> I am creating a website in Wordpress where I will be publishing content, 
>> like recipes and other advices regarding lifestyle, and I am taking ages to 
>> go around the Wordpress interface using the main panel in Safari.
>> 
>> My real problem is that if I format my text with headings, lists, etc within 
>> that interface, the result is not always as expected using VoiceOver; and if 
>> I use an app like Mac Journal, sighted people say that the format is not 
>> visually correct, but VoiceOver doesn’t seem to detect any problem.
>> 
>> I think that if I work with pure HTML formatting, my problem could be 
>> solved, but, is there an easy app where I can add snippets of text to create 
>> links, headings, etc, so the commands are always correct?
>> 
>> Or does anybody have an other idea to make this easier and I can publish 
>> content in a practical way without sighted help and not spend ours in the 
>> same post?
>> 
>> Thank you very much for any ideas!
>> 
>> Best
>> 
>> Daniela
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Re: Wordpress solution for Mac or simple html command creator, help please

[Des Delgadillo]

Hi Daniela,

In my experience, Mars Edit from Red Sweater Software is a god-send when it 
comes to WordPress. Incredibly accessible and you can sswitch between HTML and 
rich text with one easy key stroke. 

It's a paid program but definitely a worthwhile addition to any blogger's 
workflow. 


Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 2, 2018, at 11:22 PM, Daniela Rubio  wrote:
> 
> Hello, good morning.
> 
> I am creating a website in Wordpress where I will be publishing content, like 
> recipes and other advices regarding lifestyle, and I am taking ages to go 
> around the Wordpress interface using the main panel in Safari.
> 
> My real problem is that if I format my text with headings, lists, etc within 
> that interface, the result is not always as expected using VoiceOver; and if 
> I use an app like Mac Journal, sighted people say that the format is not 
> visually correct, but VoiceOver doesn’t seem to detect any problem.
> 
> I think that if I work with pure HTML formatting, my problem could be solved, 
> but, is there an easy app where I can add snippets of text to create links, 
> headings, etc, so the commands are always correct?
> 
> Or does anybody have an other idea to make this easier and I can publish 
> content in a practical way without sighted help and not spend ours in the 
> same post?
> 
> Thank you very much for any ideas!
> 
> Best
> 
> Daniela
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Wordpress solution for Mac or simple html command creator, help please

[Daniela Rubio]

Hello, good morning.

I am creating a website in Wordpress where I will be publishing content, like 
recipes and other advices regarding lifestyle, and I am taking ages to go 
around the Wordpress interface using the main panel in Safari.

My real problem is that if I format my text with headings, lists, etc within 
that interface, the result is not always as expected using VoiceOver; and if I 
use an app like Mac Journal, sighted people say that the format is not visually 
correct, but VoiceOver doesn’t seem to detect any problem.

I think that if I work with pure HTML formatting, my problem could be solved, 
but, is there an easy app where I can add snippets of text to create links, 
headings, etc, so the commands are always correct?

Or does anybody have an other idea to make this easier and I can publish 
content in a practical way without sighted help and not spend ours in the same 
post?

Thank you very much for any ideas!

Best

Daniela

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Re: audio hijack 3 help please

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
There is a tutorial on applevis i think on this topc.
I will have to check myself as i am quite new on this new version too.
/A

> 18 juni 2018 kl. 04:37 skrev The wolf :
> 
> Hello
> 
> I am trying to set up audio hijack 3 to record facetime
> 
> I select the voice chat templit
> 
> I then tell it to record from facetime.
> 
> I also have it set to put me on 1 channel and the other person on the other 
> channel
> 
> I then hit
> 
> command r to start the session
> 
> I make the face time call and then hit command r to stop the session how ever 
> all that is recorded is a 6 kb file
> 
> can some one give me some info on how to get this set up?
> 
> I can't seem to figure it out.
> 
> thanks
> 
> Hank
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audio hijack 3 help please

[The wolf]

Hello

I am trying to set up audio hijack 3 to record facetime

I select the voice chat templi/t/

/I then tell it to record from facetime./

/I also have it set to put me on 1 channel and the other person on the 
other channel/


/I then hit/

/command r to start the session/

/I make the face time call and then hit command r to stop the session 
how ever all that is recorded is a 6 kb file/


/can some one give me some info on how to get this set up?/

/I can't seem to figure it out./

/thanks/

/Hank/

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Re: help please OT

[Erik Burggraaf]

Hello, there is also the website inclusive Android:

Http://www.inclusiveandroid.com

Inclusive Android has a forum where you can ask accessibility related 
questions. There are also a lot of good written and audio tutorials to help 
you make use of your Android device. Users are encouraged to contribute 
their content, so when you're a person gets up and running, we can use 
their experience.


Enjoy, Eric


On July 10, 2017 4:51:24 AM Simon Fogarty  wrote:


Hi List,

I'm asking for a Kiwi colleague but thought you international folks might 
have an idea.


A fellow blindy here in NZ has an android device and whishs to know if 
there is an android blind users list out there,


I wondered if anyone on this list might have thoughts on this.

I know it's not apple but any help would be appreciated.


Cheers,


Simon F

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Re: help please OT

[Scott Granados]

Yes, there’s definitely the eyes-free list that Google runs.  It’s very very 
good.

> On Jul 10, 2017, at 4:51 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
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> Hi List,
>  
> I’m asking for a Kiwi colleague but thought you international folks might 
> have an idea.
>  
> A fellow blindy here in NZ has an android device and whishs to know if there 
> is an android blind users list out there,
>  
> I wondered if anyone on this list might have thoughts on this.
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> I know it’s not apple but any help would be appreciated.
>  
>  
> Cheers,
>  
>  
> Simon F
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