Moderator note -was- Re: Why can't someone just answer my Ical question without confusing me with a pod cast?

2012-05-06 Thread Cara Quinn
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On May 6, 2012, at 2:56 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:

Hi,

No doubt your post has much good advice.  But I think you should read the 
thread from the beginning before choosing sides in who was rude and why.  Its 
hard enough to judge intent with just the written word without cheating 
yourself of reading the entire thread to get the context. etc.

JMO.

Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
www.appletothecore.info

On May 6, 2012, at 5:42 AM, Krister Ekstrom  wrote:

> Hi,
> In defence of Jenny, let me say this, in many, not all but many cases at 
> least on the IPhone, there simply is no built in help or documentation for 
> the program one is working with, at least that's my  experience. I have seen 
> a lot of cases, though i can't think of any at the moment where there's no 
> reference to any documentation whatsoever in the app.
> At the risk of being flamed to bits, let me say that i have come late to this 
> thread so may not know the whole story here, but answering a plee for help in 
> an almost rude manner in my book is uncalled for. I left the Linux world 
> because of that attitude, and even though it didn't hit me directly i felt 
> sorry for the newbies that asked questions and got almost rude answers that 
> in short said "rtfm". Yes surely Google among other sources is your friend, 
> but if you don't even begin to know what you are going to search for, how can 
> you then begin searching? We have all been newbies in the beginning and have 
> had different difficulty levels and different ways of tackling a problem. One 
> bit of advice that i have followed and that has proven useful to me during my 
> explorations of the graphical interface is this: If you want to learn to know 
> your app, firstly take a look at its menus. There you will see what the app 
> can do for you and you also in the bargain get the hot keys for different 
> situations.
> Ok i'm off my soap box now and putting on flame proof clothes just in case. 
> lol
> 
> /Krister
> 
> 5 maj 2012 kl. 22:28 skrev Ray Foret Jr:
> 
>> I do believe that this is getting a little bit out of hand here.  Jenny, My 
>> best advice to you is this.  The best way to learn to use any app is to just 
>> jump in and make use of it and be willing to make a mistake a time or two.  
>> How else you gonna learn anything about it?  My best advice for seaking help 
>> is that you consult the built in help for the apps you want help with when 
>> mere use and exploration seem not to get it done for you.  Honestly, it's 
>> not that we mind helping you, but, to be spoon fed the information all the 
>> time is, quite frankly, not the best way to learn; indeed, it is most likely 
>> the worst.  I would suggest that you take a step back from this and keep in 
>> mind the points that Scot raises here.  He does have some good points to 
>> make, and, I think that if you just step back from the emotion of the moment 
>> and give things a try, you will shock yourself at what you will learn and 
>> how quickly.
>> 
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>> 
>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>> 
>> Skype name:
>> barefootedray
>> 
>> Facebook:
>> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On May 5, 2012, at 3:06 PM, Jenny Keller wrote:
>> 
>>> If I knew where to look for that information I wouldn't inconvenience 
>>> anyone with my question.
>>> 
>>> As far as wanting to be spoon fed, I can't help if I've tried to learn 
>>> things by pod casts and it completely overwhelms me and I end up more 
>>> frustrated and confused than I started out.
>>> 
>>> If that's the way people feel on this list, then tell me then, what is this 
>>> list for then if we can't ask simple questions and get simple answers.
>>> 
>>> If I'm going to be treated in this manner, I'll just not ask anything and 
>>> consider unsubscribing to this list altogether if it is too inconvenient 
>>> for me to ask questions without just being handed a pod ca

Re: Why can't someone just answer my Ical question without confusing me with a pod cast?

2012-05-06 Thread Ricardo Walker
Hi,

No doubt your post has much good advice.  But I think you should read the 
thread from the beginning before choosing sides in who was rude and why.  Its 
hard enough to judge intent with just the written word without cheating 
yourself of reading the entire thread to get the context. etc.

JMO.

Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
www.appletothecore.info

On May 6, 2012, at 5:42 AM, Krister Ekstrom  wrote:

> Hi,
> In defence of Jenny, let me say this, in many, not all but many cases at 
> least on the IPhone, there simply is no built in help or documentation for 
> the program one is working with, at least that's my  experience. I have seen 
> a lot of cases, though i can't think of any at the moment where there's no 
> reference to any documentation whatsoever in the app.
> At the risk of being flamed to bits, let me say that i have come late to this 
> thread so may not know the whole story here, but answering a plee for help in 
> an almost rude manner in my book is uncalled for. I left the Linux world 
> because of that attitude, and even though it didn't hit me directly i felt 
> sorry for the newbies that asked questions and got almost rude answers that 
> in short said "rtfm". Yes surely Google among other sources is your friend, 
> but if you don't even begin to know what you are going to search for, how can 
> you then begin searching? We have all been newbies in the beginning and have 
> had different difficulty levels and different ways of tackling a problem. One 
> bit of advice that i have followed and that has proven useful to me during my 
> explorations of the graphical interface is this: If you want to learn to know 
> your app, firstly take a look at its menus. There you will see what the app 
> can do for you and you also in the bargain get the hot keys for different 
> situations.
> Ok i'm off my soap box now and putting on flame proof clothes just in case. 
> lol
> 
> /Krister
> 
> 5 maj 2012 kl. 22:28 skrev Ray Foret Jr:
> 
>> I do believe that this is getting a little bit out of hand here.  Jenny, My 
>> best advice to you is this.  The best way to learn to use any app is to just 
>> jump in and make use of it and be willing to make a mistake a time or two.  
>> How else you gonna learn anything about it?  My best advice for seaking help 
>> is that you consult the built in help for the apps you want help with when 
>> mere use and exploration seem not to get it done for you.  Honestly, it's 
>> not that we mind helping you, but, to be spoon fed the information all the 
>> time is, quite frankly, not the best way to learn; indeed, it is most likely 
>> the worst.  I would suggest that you take a step back from this and keep in 
>> mind the points that Scot raises here.  He does have some good points to 
>> make, and, I think that if you just step back from the emotion of the moment 
>> and give things a try, you will shock yourself at what you will learn and 
>> how quickly.
>> 
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>> 
>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>> 
>> Skype name:
>> barefootedray
>> 
>> Facebook:
>> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On May 5, 2012, at 3:06 PM, Jenny Keller wrote:
>> 
>>> If I knew where to look for that information I wouldn't inconvenience 
>>> anyone with my question.
>>> 
>>> As far as wanting to be spoon fed, I can't help if I've tried to learn 
>>> things by pod casts and it completely overwhelms me and I end up more 
>>> frustrated and confused than I started out.
>>> 
>>> If that's the way people feel on this list, then tell me then, what is this 
>>> list for then if we can't ask simple questions and get simple answers.
>>> 
>>> If I'm going to be treated in this manner, I'll just not ask anything and 
>>> consider unsubscribing to this list altogether if it is too inconvenient 
>>> for me to ask questions without just being handed a pod cast.  
>>> 
>>> That, in my opinion, is taking the lazy way out anyway, cause it prevents 
>>> you from having to lower yourself to answer such a simple and insignificant 
>>> question.
>>> 
>>> Again, what is this list for if you can't get simple and understandable 
>>> answers to simple questions.
>>> 
>>> If I wanted a pod cast, I would've looked one up.
>>> 
>>> Excuse me for bothering those of you that are just too good to answer my 
>>> simple question.
>>> 
>>> Again, I'll just not say anything and again, if I can't get answers to 
>>> simple questions, but others do't get treated that way, then this list will 
>>> certainly leave my inbox.
>>> 
>>> Jenny
>>> On May 5, 2012, at 12:19 PM, Scott Howell wrote:
>>> 
 Have you tried reading the help files? THey contain a lot of information 
 and there is also Google. You really expect someone to produce a 
 step-by-step tutorial on iCal just for you? No offense, but it seems to me 
 that you have not researched the questions very thoroughly  on your own 
 and just want to be spo

Re: Why can't someone just answer my Ical question without confusing me with a pod cast?

2012-05-06 Thread Krister Ekstrom
Hi,
In defence of Jenny, let me say this, in many, not all but many cases at least 
on the IPhone, there simply is no built in help or documentation for the 
program one is working with, at least that's my  experience. I have seen a lot 
of cases, though i can't think of any at the moment where there's no reference 
to any documentation whatsoever in the app.
At the risk of being flamed to bits, let me say that i have come late to this 
thread so may not know the whole story here, but answering a plee for help in 
an almost rude manner in my book is uncalled for. I left the Linux world 
because of that attitude, and even though it didn't hit me directly i felt 
sorry for the newbies that asked questions and got almost rude answers that in 
short said "rtfm". Yes surely Google among other sources is your friend, but if 
you don't even begin to know what you are going to search for, how can you then 
begin searching? We have all been newbies in the beginning and have had 
different difficulty levels and different ways of tackling a problem. One bit 
of advice that i have followed and that has proven useful to me during my 
explorations of the graphical interface is this: If you want to learn to know 
your app, firstly take a look at its menus. There you will see what the app can 
do for you and you also in the bargain get the hot keys for different 
situations.
Ok i'm off my soap box now and putting on flame proof clothes just in case. lol

/Krister

5 maj 2012 kl. 22:28 skrev Ray Foret Jr:

> I do believe that this is getting a little bit out of hand here.  Jenny, My 
> best advice to you is this.  The best way to learn to use any app is to just 
> jump in and make use of it and be willing to make a mistake a time or two.  
> How else you gonna learn anything about it?  My best advice for seaking help 
> is that you consult the built in help for the apps you want help with when 
> mere use and exploration seem not to get it done for you.  Honestly, it's not 
> that we mind helping you, but, to be spoon fed the information all the time 
> is, quite frankly, not the best way to learn; indeed, it is most likely the 
> worst.  I would suggest that you take a step back from this and keep in mind 
> the points that Scot raises here.  He does have some good points to make, 
> and, I think that if you just step back from the emotion of the moment and 
> give things a try, you will shock yourself at what you will learn and how 
> quickly.
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
> 
> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
> 
> Skype name:
> barefootedray
> 
> Facebook:
> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
> 
> 
> 
> On May 5, 2012, at 3:06 PM, Jenny Keller wrote:
> 
>> If I knew where to look for that information I wouldn't inconvenience anyone 
>> with my question.
>> 
>> As far as wanting to be spoon fed, I can't help if I've tried to learn 
>> things by pod casts and it completely overwhelms me and I end up more 
>> frustrated and confused than I started out.
>> 
>> If that's the way people feel on this list, then tell me then, what is this 
>> list for then if we can't ask simple questions and get simple answers.
>> 
>> If I'm going to be treated in this manner, I'll just not ask anything and 
>> consider unsubscribing to this list altogether if it is too inconvenient for 
>> me to ask questions without just being handed a pod cast.  
>> 
>> That, in my opinion, is taking the lazy way out anyway, cause it prevents 
>> you from having to lower yourself to answer such a simple and insignificant 
>> question.
>> 
>> Again, what is this list for if you can't get simple and understandable 
>> answers to simple questions.
>> 
>> If I wanted a pod cast, I would've looked one up.
>> 
>> Excuse me for bothering those of you that are just too good to answer my 
>> simple question.
>> 
>> Again, I'll just not say anything and again, if I can't get answers to 
>> simple questions, but others do't get treated that way, then this list will 
>> certainly leave my inbox.
>> 
>> Jenny
>> On May 5, 2012, at 12:19 PM, Scott Howell wrote:
>> 
>>> Have you tried reading the help files? THey contain a lot of information 
>>> and there is also Google. You really expect someone to produce a 
>>> step-by-step tutorial on iCal just for you? No offense, but it seems to me 
>>> that you have not researched the questions very thoroughly  on your own and 
>>> just want to be spoon-fed the information. Asking for help is fine and 
>>> encouraged, but it seems that you would ask only when you have already 
>>> tried finding the answers elsewhere. There are plenty of resources and the 
>>> podcast someone suggested is a great way to learn how to use an app.
>>> Of course then you seem to get cross with folks because they won't just 
>>> give you what you want when you want it and I hope you understand you are 
>>> being unfair to those who are providing you the resources.
>>> 
>>> On May 5, 2012, at 11:05 AM, Jenny Keller wrote:
>>> 
 

Re: Ical question

2012-05-05 Thread Teresa Cochran
I mostly use the home calendar, since I'm at home most of the time. There are 
other items in the calendar list, such as Facebook, ICloud, Gmail, and Meetup. 
I think these were added when I added activities from these categories to ICal. 
I'm using Lion, and I still haven't come across Friends and Family.

Teresa

"On the other hand, there are different fingers."

On May 5, 2012, at 2:10 PM, Lewis Alexander wrote:

> there are new components in iCal for OS X lion and some of which are a little 
> on the unnecessary. I'm investigating this issue at present and will have 
> some useful answers to all concerned in 24 hours.
> 
> lew
> 
> On 5 May 2012, at 22:04, Louie P. (Pete) Nalda wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> I'm not seeing the family and friends stuff that she's seeing. I wonder if 
>> this is a new feature in Lion.  I do have delegates on the left hand side, 
>> as well as work or home calendars.  I don't have any family or friend 
>> options.  I'm guessing this is a new feature of iCal in 10.7.  I'm still 
>> running 10.6.8 here.  It could explain why more people aren't seeing this, 
>> and thus, don't know the answer.
>> 
>> On May 5, 2012, at 3:28 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
>> 
>>> I do believe that this is getting a little bit out of hand here.  Jenny, My 
>>> best advice to you is this.  The best way to learn to use any app is to 
>>> just jump in and make use of it and be willing to make a mistake a time or 
>>> two.  How else you gonna learn anything about it?  My best advice for 
>>> seaking help is that you consult the built in help for the apps you want 
>>> help with when mere use and exploration seem not to get it done for you.  
>>> Honestly, it's not that we mind helping you, but, to be spoon fed the 
>>> information all the time is, quite frankly, not the best way to learn; 
>>> indeed, it is most likely the worst.  I would suggest that you take a step 
>>> back from this and keep in mind the points that Scot raises here.  He does 
>>> have some good points to make, and, I think that if you just step back from 
>>> the emotion of the moment and give things a try, you will shock yourself at 
>>> what you will learn and how quickly.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>> 
>>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>>> 
>>> Skype name:
>>> barefootedray
>>> 
>>> Facebook:
>>> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On May 5, 2012, at 3:06 PM, Jenny Keller wrote:
>>> 
 If I knew where to look for that information I wouldn't inconvenience 
 anyone with my question.
 
 As far as wanting to be spoon fed, I can't help if I've tried to learn 
 things by pod casts and it completely overwhelms me and I end up more 
 frustrated and confused than I started out.
 
 If that's the way people feel on this list, then tell me then, what is 
 this list for then if we can't ask simple questions and get simple answers.
 
 If I'm going to be treated in this manner, I'll just not ask anything and 
 consider unsubscribing to this list altogether if it is too inconvenient 
 for me to ask questions without just being handed a pod cast.  
 
 That, in my opinion, is taking the lazy way out anyway, cause it prevents 
 you from having to lower yourself to answer such a simple and 
 insignificant question.
 
 Again, what is this list for if you can't get simple and understandable 
 answers to simple questions.
 
 If I wanted a pod cast, I would've looked one up.
 
 Excuse me for bothering those of you that are just too good to answer my 
 simple question.
 
 Again, I'll just not say anything and again, if I can't get answers to 
 simple questions, but others do't get treated that way, then this list 
 will certainly leave my inbox.
 
 Jenny
 On May 5, 2012, at 12:19 PM, Scott Howell wrote:
 
> Have you tried reading the help files? THey contain a lot of information 
> and there is also Google. You really expect someone to produce a 
> step-by-step tutorial on iCal just for you? No offense, but it seems to 
> me that you have not researched the questions very thoroughly  on your 
> own and just want to be spoon-fed the information. Asking for help is 
> fine and encouraged, but it seems that you would ask only when you have 
> already tried finding the answers elsewhere. There are plenty of 
> resources and the podcast someone suggested is a great way to learn how 
> to use an app.
> Of course then you seem to get cross with folks because they won't just 
> give you what you want when you want it and I hope you understand you are 
> being unfair to those who are providing you the resources.
> 
> On May 5, 2012, at 11:05 AM, Jenny Keller wrote:
> 
>> I need to know what those lists like friends and family, and stuff are 
>> for.  
>> 
>> I don't understand all that stuff, though I did learn ho

Re: Why can't someone just answer my Ical question without confusing me with a pod cast?

2012-05-05 Thread Scott Howell
Ray, you are correct. My anger is the fact that I'm being called lazy and I 
can't bother to lower myself to answer the question. So, could I have handled 
that better perhaps so; however, I do not regret what I said. So, I have 
nothing further to say on the issue. 

On May 5, 2012, at 4:29 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:

> You know, Scot, I agree with most all your points; but, I really do believe 
> we could do without the emotional aspect of this.  It ain't helpin' anybody.
> 
> I guess maybe she'll either catch on or not.  Some do, some don't.  As for 
> me, I ain't never goin' back to windows ever.
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
> 
> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!

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Re: Why can't someone just answer my Ical question without confusing me with a pod cast?

2012-05-05 Thread Lewis Alexander
there are new components in iCal for OS X lion and some of which are a little 
on the unnecessary. I'm investigating this issue at present and will have some 
useful answers to all concerned in 24 hours.

lew

On 5 May 2012, at 22:04, Louie P. (Pete) Nalda wrote:

> Hi all,
> I'm not seeing the family and friends stuff that she's seeing. I wonder if 
> this is a new feature in Lion.  I do have delegates on the left hand side, as 
> well as work or home calendars.  I don't have any family or friend options.  
> I'm guessing this is a new feature of iCal in 10.7.  I'm still running 10.6.8 
> here.  It could explain why more people aren't seeing this, and thus, don't 
> know the answer.
> 
> On May 5, 2012, at 3:28 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
> 
>> I do believe that this is getting a little bit out of hand here.  Jenny, My 
>> best advice to you is this.  The best way to learn to use any app is to just 
>> jump in and make use of it and be willing to make a mistake a time or two.  
>> How else you gonna learn anything about it?  My best advice for seaking help 
>> is that you consult the built in help for the apps you want help with when 
>> mere use and exploration seem not to get it done for you.  Honestly, it's 
>> not that we mind helping you, but, to be spoon fed the information all the 
>> time is, quite frankly, not the best way to learn; indeed, it is most likely 
>> the worst.  I would suggest that you take a step back from this and keep in 
>> mind the points that Scot raises here.  He does have some good points to 
>> make, and, I think that if you just step back from the emotion of the moment 
>> and give things a try, you will shock yourself at what you will learn and 
>> how quickly.
>> 
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>> 
>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>> 
>> Skype name:
>> barefootedray
>> 
>> Facebook:
>> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On May 5, 2012, at 3:06 PM, Jenny Keller wrote:
>> 
>>> If I knew where to look for that information I wouldn't inconvenience 
>>> anyone with my question.
>>> 
>>> As far as wanting to be spoon fed, I can't help if I've tried to learn 
>>> things by pod casts and it completely overwhelms me and I end up more 
>>> frustrated and confused than I started out.
>>> 
>>> If that's the way people feel on this list, then tell me then, what is this 
>>> list for then if we can't ask simple questions and get simple answers.
>>> 
>>> If I'm going to be treated in this manner, I'll just not ask anything and 
>>> consider unsubscribing to this list altogether if it is too inconvenient 
>>> for me to ask questions without just being handed a pod cast.  
>>> 
>>> That, in my opinion, is taking the lazy way out anyway, cause it prevents 
>>> you from having to lower yourself to answer such a simple and insignificant 
>>> question.
>>> 
>>> Again, what is this list for if you can't get simple and understandable 
>>> answers to simple questions.
>>> 
>>> If I wanted a pod cast, I would've looked one up.
>>> 
>>> Excuse me for bothering those of you that are just too good to answer my 
>>> simple question.
>>> 
>>> Again, I'll just not say anything and again, if I can't get answers to 
>>> simple questions, but others do't get treated that way, then this list will 
>>> certainly leave my inbox.
>>> 
>>> Jenny
>>> On May 5, 2012, at 12:19 PM, Scott Howell wrote:
>>> 
 Have you tried reading the help files? THey contain a lot of information 
 and there is also Google. You really expect someone to produce a 
 step-by-step tutorial on iCal just for you? No offense, but it seems to me 
 that you have not researched the questions very thoroughly  on your own 
 and just want to be spoon-fed the information. Asking for help is fine and 
 encouraged, but it seems that you would ask only when you have already 
 tried finding the answers elsewhere. There are plenty of resources and the 
 podcast someone suggested is a great way to learn how to use an app.
 Of course then you seem to get cross with folks because they won't just 
 give you what you want when you want it and I hope you understand you are 
 being unfair to those who are providing you the resources.
 
 On May 5, 2012, at 11:05 AM, Jenny Keller wrote:
 
> I need to know what those lists like friends and family, and stuff are 
> for.  
> 
> I don't understand all that stuff, though I did learn how to delete a 
> reminder.  
> 
> I have a list of reminders and all of them are coming up though I thought 
> I had other reminders.  I don't see any old ones though.
> 
> Anyway, Pod Casts give me too much information at one time and a lot of 
> it I already know, or don't understand in the first place cause it's too 
> advanced for me, or doesn't tell me what I need till my mind is so 
> overloaded that I can't absorb any more information.
> 
> Anyway, could someone just tell me in 

Re: Why can't someone just answer my Ical question without confusing me with a pod cast?

2012-05-05 Thread Louie P. (Pete) Nalda
Hi all,
I'm not seeing the family and friends stuff that she's seeing. I wonder if this 
is a new feature in Lion.  I do have delegates on the left hand side, as well 
as work or home calendars.  I don't have any family or friend options.  I'm 
guessing this is a new feature of iCal in 10.7.  I'm still running 10.6.8 here. 
 It could explain why more people aren't seeing this, and thus, don't know the 
answer.

On May 5, 2012, at 3:28 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:

> I do believe that this is getting a little bit out of hand here.  Jenny, My 
> best advice to you is this.  The best way to learn to use any app is to just 
> jump in and make use of it and be willing to make a mistake a time or two.  
> How else you gonna learn anything about it?  My best advice for seaking help 
> is that you consult the built in help for the apps you want help with when 
> mere use and exploration seem not to get it done for you.  Honestly, it's not 
> that we mind helping you, but, to be spoon fed the information all the time 
> is, quite frankly, not the best way to learn; indeed, it is most likely the 
> worst.  I would suggest that you take a step back from this and keep in mind 
> the points that Scot raises here.  He does have some good points to make, 
> and, I think that if you just step back from the emotion of the moment and 
> give things a try, you will shock yourself at what you will learn and how 
> quickly.
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
> 
> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
> 
> Skype name:
> barefootedray
> 
> Facebook:
> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
> 
> 
> 
> On May 5, 2012, at 3:06 PM, Jenny Keller wrote:
> 
>> If I knew where to look for that information I wouldn't inconvenience anyone 
>> with my question.
>> 
>> As far as wanting to be spoon fed, I can't help if I've tried to learn 
>> things by pod casts and it completely overwhelms me and I end up more 
>> frustrated and confused than I started out.
>> 
>> If that's the way people feel on this list, then tell me then, what is this 
>> list for then if we can't ask simple questions and get simple answers.
>> 
>> If I'm going to be treated in this manner, I'll just not ask anything and 
>> consider unsubscribing to this list altogether if it is too inconvenient for 
>> me to ask questions without just being handed a pod cast.  
>> 
>> That, in my opinion, is taking the lazy way out anyway, cause it prevents 
>> you from having to lower yourself to answer such a simple and insignificant 
>> question.
>> 
>> Again, what is this list for if you can't get simple and understandable 
>> answers to simple questions.
>> 
>> If I wanted a pod cast, I would've looked one up.
>> 
>> Excuse me for bothering those of you that are just too good to answer my 
>> simple question.
>> 
>> Again, I'll just not say anything and again, if I can't get answers to 
>> simple questions, but others do't get treated that way, then this list will 
>> certainly leave my inbox.
>> 
>> Jenny
>> On May 5, 2012, at 12:19 PM, Scott Howell wrote:
>> 
>>> Have you tried reading the help files? THey contain a lot of information 
>>> and there is also Google. You really expect someone to produce a 
>>> step-by-step tutorial on iCal just for you? No offense, but it seems to me 
>>> that you have not researched the questions very thoroughly  on your own and 
>>> just want to be spoon-fed the information. Asking for help is fine and 
>>> encouraged, but it seems that you would ask only when you have already 
>>> tried finding the answers elsewhere. There are plenty of resources and the 
>>> podcast someone suggested is a great way to learn how to use an app.
>>> Of course then you seem to get cross with folks because they won't just 
>>> give you what you want when you want it and I hope you understand you are 
>>> being unfair to those who are providing you the resources.
>>> 
>>> On May 5, 2012, at 11:05 AM, Jenny Keller wrote:
>>> 
 I need to know what those lists like friends and family, and stuff are 
 for.  
 
 I don't understand all that stuff, though I did learn how to delete a 
 reminder.  
 
 I have a list of reminders and all of them are coming up though I thought 
 I had other reminders.  I don't see any old ones though.
 
 Anyway, Pod Casts give me too much information at one time and a lot of it 
 I already know, or don't understand in the first place cause it's too 
 advanced for me, or doesn't tell me what I need till my mind is so 
 overloaded that I can't absorb any more information.
 
 Anyway, could someone just tell me in baby steps what all that is for and 
 if you have my number, just call if you want to.
 
 Jenny
 
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Re: Why can't someone just answer my Ical question without confusing me with a pod cast?

2012-05-05 Thread Jenny Keller
Fine, since everyone else can ask questions and not be abused and berated on 
this list.  I'll be happy to unsubscribe.

As far as using some kind of help and trying the aps out, that's what I've 
tried to do and that's when I get stuck.  

If I knew of any help thing to look up things on I would.

Since I'm too stupid to be on this list I'm out of here.
On May 5, 2012, at 3:29 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:

> You know, Scot, I agree with most all your points; but, I really do believe 
> we could do without the emotional aspect of this.  It ain't helpin' anybody.
> 
> I guess maybe she'll either catch on or not.  Some do, some don't.  As for 
> me, I ain't never goin' back to windows ever.
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
> 
> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
> 
> Skype name:
> barefootedray
> 
> Facebook:
> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
> 
> 
> 
> On May 5, 2012, at 3:16 PM, Scott Howell wrote:
> 
>> FIrst let me tell you lady I am anything but lazy and I think a lot of 
>> people have made a considerable amount of effort to help you on this list. 
>> You know Jenny with that damned attitude you cannot possibly expect help. 
>> FOr the love of God can't you at least indicate that you tried to find the 
>> bloddy answer first THe way you ask all of your questions indicates to 
>> me that you have not even attempted to look at the help files etc. You do 
>> know how to use the search facilities on GOogle do you not? Do you know how 
>> to use the help facilities in the application? You know some of your 
>> questions are so confusing that it is not even clear what you are talking 
>> about at times. I should know better than to even waste time encouraging you 
>> to do the research because this is exactly the type of response I should 
>> expect. You most definitely come across as though you want to be fed the 
>> information just in the way you post your messages. No one minds helping 
>> you, but at least demonstrate you have tried. As far as the podcast is 
>> concerned I am truly unclear as to how you become more confused. You talk 
>> about how it is not the way you learn, so then explain how you do learn. You 
>> cannot expect folks on the list to know your learning style and sit down to 
>> write mini tutorials with "step 1 open the application" etc. If that is what 
>> you want then say so, otherwise how does anyone know how to feed you 
>> information.
>> So I guess I'll just be to lazy to lower myself to help you in the future 
>> and your crappy attitude certainly took care of that.
>> 
>> Good luck, you're going to need it.
>> 
>> On May 5, 2012, at 4:06 PM, Jenny Keller wrote:
>> 
>>> If I knew where to look for that information I wouldn't inconvenience 
>>> anyone with my question.
>>> 
>>> As far as wanting to be spoon fed, I can't help if I've tried to learn 
>>> things by pod casts and it completely overwhelms me and I end up more 
>>> frustrated and confused than I started out.
>>> 
>>> If that's the way people feel on this list, then tell me then, what is this 
>>> list for then if we can't ask simple questions and get simple answers.
>>> 
>>> If I'm going to be treated in this manner, I'll just not ask anything and 
>>> consider unsubscribing to this list altogether if it is too inconvenient 
>>> for me to ask questions without just being handed a pod cast.  
>>> 
>>> That, in my opinion, is taking the lazy way out anyway, cause it prevents 
>>> you from having to lower yourself to answer such a simple and insignificant 
>>> question.
>>> 
>>> Again, what is this list for if you can't get simple and understandable 
>>> answers to simple questions.
>>> 
>>> If I wanted a pod cast, I would've looked one up.
>>> 
>>> Excuse me for bothering those of you that are just too good to answer my 
>>> simple question.
>>> 
>>> Again, I'll just not say anything and again, if I can't get answers to 
>>> simple questions, but others do't get treated that way, then this list will 
>>> certainly leave my inbox.
>>> 
>>> Jenny
>>> On May 5, 2012, at 12:19 PM, Scott Howell wrote:
>>> 
 Have you tried reading the help files? THey contain a lot of information 
 and there is also Google. You really expect someone to produce a 
 step-by-step tutorial on iCal just for you? No offense, but it seems to me 
 that you have not researched the questions very thoroughly  on your own 
 and just want to be spoon-fed the information. Asking for help is fine and 
 encouraged, but it seems that you would ask only when you have already 
 tried finding the answers elsewhere. There are plenty of resources and the 
 podcast someone suggested is a great way to learn how to use an app.
 Of course then you seem to get cross with folks because they won't just 
 give you what you want when you want it and I hope you understand you are 
 being unfair to those who are providing you the resources.
 
 On May 5, 2012, at 11:05 AM, Jenny Keller wrote:
 
> 

Re: Why can't someone just answer my Ical question without confusing me with a pod cast?

2012-05-05 Thread Teresa Cochran
I have worked in the Assistive Training field, and there is evidence that 
people have different ways of learning. I had some clients who needed their 
fingers placed on the keys in order to get the hang of a concept, and others 
who just asked me to leave them alone for half an hour while they practiced.

My guess is, Jenny, that you may need individual training. Depending on the 
warranty that came with your Mac, you may be able to get individualized 
training at an Apple Store or from an Access Tech Trainer. I think you might 
benefit from this a lot.

The problem with a list like this is that it mostly lends itself to quick 
answers for quick questions. If questions are stated clearly and coherently, 
with a specific task in mind, it's easier to help the questioner. If the 
question is too vague or there are too many in one post, it's difficult for 
both the questioner and the person responding to make sense of everything.

When I send a question to the list, I ask myself: "what specifically do I want 
to accomplish." If I'm so confused that I'm not sure what to do first, or if 
I'm very frustrated, taking a break from the situation without posting helps me 
gain perspective on my problem.

hTh,
Teresa

On May 5, 2012, at 1:29 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:

> You know, Scot, I agree with most all your points; but, I really do believe 
> we could do without the emotional aspect of this.  It ain't helpin' anybody.
> 
> I guess maybe she'll either catch on or not.  Some do, some don't.  As for 
> me, I ain't never goin' back to windows ever.
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
> 
> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
> 
> Skype name:
> barefootedray
> 
> Facebook:
> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
> 
> 
> 
> On May 5, 2012, at 3:16 PM, Scott Howell wrote:
> 
>> FIrst let me tell you lady I am anything but lazy and I think a lot of 
>> people have made a considerable amount of effort to help you on this list. 
>> You know Jenny with that damned attitude you cannot possibly expect help. 
>> FOr the love of God can't you at least indicate that you tried to find the 
>> bloddy answer first THe way you ask all of your questions indicates to 
>> me that you have not even attempted to look at the help files etc. You do 
>> know how to use the search facilities on GOogle do you not? Do you know how 
>> to use the help facilities in the application? You know some of your 
>> questions are so confusing that it is not even clear what you are talking 
>> about at times. I should know better than to even waste time encouraging you 
>> to do the research because this is exactly the type of response I should 
>> expect. You most definitely come across as though you want to be fed the 
>> information just in the way you post your messages. No one minds helping 
>> you, but at least demonstrate you have tried. As far as the podcast is 
>> concerned I am truly unclear as to how you become more confused. You talk 
>> about how it is not the way you learn, so then explain how you do learn. You 
>> cannot expect folks on the list to know your learning style and sit down to 
>> write mini tutorials with "step 1 open the application" etc. If that is what 
>> you want then say so, otherwise how does anyone know how to feed you 
>> information.
>> So I guess I'll just be to lazy to lower myself to help you in the future 
>> and your crappy attitude certainly took care of that.
>> 
>> Good luck, you're going to need it.
>> 
>> On May 5, 2012, at 4:06 PM, Jenny Keller wrote:
>> 
>>> If I knew where to look for that information I wouldn't inconvenience 
>>> anyone with my question.
>>> 
>>> As far as wanting to be spoon fed, I can't help if I've tried to learn 
>>> things by pod casts and it completely overwhelms me and I end up more 
>>> frustrated and confused than I started out.
>>> 
>>> If that's the way people feel on this list, then tell me then, what is this 
>>> list for then if we can't ask simple questions and get simple answers.
>>> 
>>> If I'm going to be treated in this manner, I'll just not ask anything and 
>>> consider unsubscribing to this list altogether if it is too inconvenient 
>>> for me to ask questions without just being handed a pod cast.  
>>> 
>>> That, in my opinion, is taking the lazy way out anyway, cause it prevents 
>>> you from having to lower yourself to answer such a simple and insignificant 
>>> question.
>>> 
>>> Again, what is this list for if you can't get simple and understandable 
>>> answers to simple questions.
>>> 
>>> If I wanted a pod cast, I would've looked one up.
>>> 
>>> Excuse me for bothering those of you that are just too good to answer my 
>>> simple question.
>>> 
>>> Again, I'll just not say anything and again, if I can't get answers to 
>>> simple questions, but others do't get treated that way, then this list will 
>>> certainly leave my inbox.
>>> 
>>> Jenny
>>> On May 5, 2012, at 12:19 PM, Scott Howell wrote:
>>> 
 Have you tried reading the help files? TH

RE: Why can't someone just answer my Ical question without confusing me with a pod cast?

2012-05-05 Thread Daniel Miller
Wow. Excuse my language, but when did this list turn into a pissing contest?
>From what I read of this thread, all she was asking for was a simple answer.
Unfortunately, I don't know said answer, so I never responded until reading
these last few drama-filled crapfests.
I do agree that Cara or another mod needs to step in, however. This is
getting way out of hand.



-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jenny Keller
Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 3:31 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Why can't someone just answer my Ical question without
confusing me with a pod cast?

thank you, I don't need, or want your attitude, or help at all.

I think the moderator should see this and I intend to nake sure he does.

Jenny
On May 5, 2012, at 3:16 PM, Scott Howell wrote:

> FIrst let me tell you lady I am anything but lazy and I think a lot of
people have made a considerable amount of effort to help you on this list.
You know Jenny with that damned attitude you cannot possibly expect help.
FOr the love of God can't you at least indicate that you tried to find the
bloddy answer first THe way you ask all of your questions indicates to
me that you have not even attempted to look at the help files etc. You do
know how to use the search facilities on GOogle do you not? Do you know how
to use the help facilities in the application? You know some of your
questions are so confusing that it is not even clear what you are talking
about at times. I should know better than to even waste time encouraging you
to do the research because this is exactly the type of response I should
expect. You most definitely come across as though you want to be fed the
information just in the way you post your messages. No one minds helping
you, but at least demonstrate you have tried. As far as the podcast is
concerned I am truly unclear as to how you become more confused. You talk
about how it is not the way you learn, so then explain how you do learn. You
cannot expect folks on the list to know your learning style and sit down to
write mini tutorials with "step 1 open the application" etc. If that is what
you want then say so, otherwise how does anyone know how to feed you
information.
> So I guess I'll just be to lazy to lower myself to help you in the future
and your crappy attitude certainly took care of that.
> 
> Good luck, you're going to need it.
> 
> On May 5, 2012, at 4:06 PM, Jenny Keller wrote:
> 
>> If I knew where to look for that information I wouldn't inconvenience
anyone with my question.
>> 
>> As far as wanting to be spoon fed, I can't help if I've tried to learn
things by pod casts and it completely overwhelms me and I end up more
frustrated and confused than I started out.
>> 
>> If that's the way people feel on this list, then tell me then, what is
this list for then if we can't ask simple questions and get simple answers.
>> 
>> If I'm going to be treated in this manner, I'll just not ask anything and
consider unsubscribing to this list altogether if it is too inconvenient for
me to ask questions without just being handed a pod cast.  
>> 
>> That, in my opinion, is taking the lazy way out anyway, cause it prevents
you from having to lower yourself to answer such a simple and insignificant
question.
>> 
>> Again, what is this list for if you can't get simple and understandable
answers to simple questions.
>> 
>> If I wanted a pod cast, I would've looked one up.
>> 
>> Excuse me for bothering those of you that are just too good to answer my
simple question.
>> 
>> Again, I'll just not say anything and again, if I can't get answers to
simple questions, but others do't get treated that way, then this list will
certainly leave my inbox.
>> 
>> Jenny
>> On May 5, 2012, at 12:19 PM, Scott Howell wrote:
>> 
>>> Have you tried reading the help files? THey contain a lot of information
and there is also Google. You really expect someone to produce a
step-by-step tutorial on iCal just for you? No offense, but it seems to me
that you have not researched the questions very thoroughly  on your own and
just want to be spoon-fed the information. Asking for help is fine and
encouraged, but it seems that you would ask only when you have already tried
finding the answers elsewhere. There are plenty of resources and the podcast
someone suggested is a great way to learn how to use an app.
>>> Of course then you seem to get cross with folks because they won't just
give you what you want when you want it and I hope you understand you are
being unfair to those who are providing you the resources.
>>> 
>>> On May 5, 2012, at 11:05 AM, Jenny Keller wrote:
>&g

Re: Why can't someone just answer my Ical question without confusing me with a pod cast?

2012-05-05 Thread Jenny Keller
thank you, I don't need, or want your attitude, or help at all.

I think the moderator should see this and I intend to nake sure he does.

Jenny
On May 5, 2012, at 3:16 PM, Scott Howell wrote:

> FIrst let me tell you lady I am anything but lazy and I think a lot of people 
> have made a considerable amount of effort to help you on this list. You know 
> Jenny with that damned attitude you cannot possibly expect help. FOr the love 
> of God can't you at least indicate that you tried to find the bloddy answer 
> first THe way you ask all of your questions indicates to me that you have 
> not even attempted to look at the help files etc. You do know how to use the 
> search facilities on GOogle do you not? Do you know how to use the help 
> facilities in the application? You know some of your questions are so 
> confusing that it is not even clear what you are talking about at times. I 
> should know better than to even waste time encouraging you to do the research 
> because this is exactly the type of response I should expect. You most 
> definitely come across as though you want to be fed the information just in 
> the way you post your messages. No one minds helping you, but at least 
> demonstrate you have tried. As far as the podcast is concerned I am truly 
> unclear as to how you become more confused. You talk about how it is not the 
> way you learn, so then explain how you do learn. You cannot expect folks on 
> the list to know your learning style and sit down to write mini tutorials 
> with "step 1 open the application" etc. If that is what you want then say so, 
> otherwise how does anyone know how to feed you information.
> So I guess I'll just be to lazy to lower myself to help you in the future and 
> your crappy attitude certainly took care of that.
> 
> Good luck, you're going to need it.
> 
> On May 5, 2012, at 4:06 PM, Jenny Keller wrote:
> 
>> If I knew where to look for that information I wouldn't inconvenience anyone 
>> with my question.
>> 
>> As far as wanting to be spoon fed, I can't help if I've tried to learn 
>> things by pod casts and it completely overwhelms me and I end up more 
>> frustrated and confused than I started out.
>> 
>> If that's the way people feel on this list, then tell me then, what is this 
>> list for then if we can't ask simple questions and get simple answers.
>> 
>> If I'm going to be treated in this manner, I'll just not ask anything and 
>> consider unsubscribing to this list altogether if it is too inconvenient for 
>> me to ask questions without just being handed a pod cast.  
>> 
>> That, in my opinion, is taking the lazy way out anyway, cause it prevents 
>> you from having to lower yourself to answer such a simple and insignificant 
>> question.
>> 
>> Again, what is this list for if you can't get simple and understandable 
>> answers to simple questions.
>> 
>> If I wanted a pod cast, I would've looked one up.
>> 
>> Excuse me for bothering those of you that are just too good to answer my 
>> simple question.
>> 
>> Again, I'll just not say anything and again, if I can't get answers to 
>> simple questions, but others do't get treated that way, then this list will 
>> certainly leave my inbox.
>> 
>> Jenny
>> On May 5, 2012, at 12:19 PM, Scott Howell wrote:
>> 
>>> Have you tried reading the help files? THey contain a lot of information 
>>> and there is also Google. You really expect someone to produce a 
>>> step-by-step tutorial on iCal just for you? No offense, but it seems to me 
>>> that you have not researched the questions very thoroughly  on your own and 
>>> just want to be spoon-fed the information. Asking for help is fine and 
>>> encouraged, but it seems that you would ask only when you have already 
>>> tried finding the answers elsewhere. There are plenty of resources and the 
>>> podcast someone suggested is a great way to learn how to use an app.
>>> Of course then you seem to get cross with folks because they won't just 
>>> give you what you want when you want it and I hope you understand you are 
>>> being unfair to those who are providing you the resources.
>>> 
>>> On May 5, 2012, at 11:05 AM, Jenny Keller wrote:
>>> 
 I need to know what those lists like friends and family, and stuff are 
 for.  
 
 I don't understand all that stuff, though I did learn how to delete a 
 reminder.  
 
 I have a list of reminders and all of them are coming up though I thought 
 I had other reminders.  I don't see any old ones though.
 
 Anyway, Pod Casts give me too much information at one time and a lot of it 
 I already know, or don't understand in the first place cause it's too 
 advanced for me, or doesn't tell me what I need till my mind is so 
 overloaded that I can't absorb any more information.
 
 Anyway, could someone just tell me in baby steps what all that is for and 
 if you have my number, just call if you want to.
 
 Jenny
 
 -- 
 You received

Re: Why can't someone just answer my Ical question without confusing me with a pod cast?

2012-05-05 Thread Ray Foret Jr
You know, Scot, I agree with most all your points; but, I really do believe we 
could do without the emotional aspect of this.  It ain't helpin' anybody.

I guess maybe she'll either catch on or not.  Some do, some don't.  As for me, 
I ain't never goin' back to windows ever.


Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!

Skype name:
barefootedray

Facebook:
facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1



On May 5, 2012, at 3:16 PM, Scott Howell wrote:

> FIrst let me tell you lady I am anything but lazy and I think a lot of people 
> have made a considerable amount of effort to help you on this list. You know 
> Jenny with that damned attitude you cannot possibly expect help. FOr the love 
> of God can't you at least indicate that you tried to find the bloddy answer 
> first THe way you ask all of your questions indicates to me that you have 
> not even attempted to look at the help files etc. You do know how to use the 
> search facilities on GOogle do you not? Do you know how to use the help 
> facilities in the application? You know some of your questions are so 
> confusing that it is not even clear what you are talking about at times. I 
> should know better than to even waste time encouraging you to do the research 
> because this is exactly the type of response I should expect. You most 
> definitely come across as though you want to be fed the information just in 
> the way you post your messages. No one minds helping you, but at least 
> demonstrate you have tried. As far as the podcast is concerned I am truly 
> unclear as to how you become more confused. You talk about how it is not the 
> way you learn, so then explain how you do learn. You cannot expect folks on 
> the list to know your learning style and sit down to write mini tutorials 
> with "step 1 open the application" etc. If that is what you want then say so, 
> otherwise how does anyone know how to feed you information.
> So I guess I'll just be to lazy to lower myself to help you in the future and 
> your crappy attitude certainly took care of that.
> 
> Good luck, you're going to need it.
> 
> On May 5, 2012, at 4:06 PM, Jenny Keller wrote:
> 
>> If I knew where to look for that information I wouldn't inconvenience anyone 
>> with my question.
>> 
>> As far as wanting to be spoon fed, I can't help if I've tried to learn 
>> things by pod casts and it completely overwhelms me and I end up more 
>> frustrated and confused than I started out.
>> 
>> If that's the way people feel on this list, then tell me then, what is this 
>> list for then if we can't ask simple questions and get simple answers.
>> 
>> If I'm going to be treated in this manner, I'll just not ask anything and 
>> consider unsubscribing to this list altogether if it is too inconvenient for 
>> me to ask questions without just being handed a pod cast.  
>> 
>> That, in my opinion, is taking the lazy way out anyway, cause it prevents 
>> you from having to lower yourself to answer such a simple and insignificant 
>> question.
>> 
>> Again, what is this list for if you can't get simple and understandable 
>> answers to simple questions.
>> 
>> If I wanted a pod cast, I would've looked one up.
>> 
>> Excuse me for bothering those of you that are just too good to answer my 
>> simple question.
>> 
>> Again, I'll just not say anything and again, if I can't get answers to 
>> simple questions, but others do't get treated that way, then this list will 
>> certainly leave my inbox.
>> 
>> Jenny
>> On May 5, 2012, at 12:19 PM, Scott Howell wrote:
>> 
>>> Have you tried reading the help files? THey contain a lot of information 
>>> and there is also Google. You really expect someone to produce a 
>>> step-by-step tutorial on iCal just for you? No offense, but it seems to me 
>>> that you have not researched the questions very thoroughly  on your own and 
>>> just want to be spoon-fed the information. Asking for help is fine and 
>>> encouraged, but it seems that you would ask only when you have already 
>>> tried finding the answers elsewhere. There are plenty of resources and the 
>>> podcast someone suggested is a great way to learn how to use an app.
>>> Of course then you seem to get cross with folks because they won't just 
>>> give you what you want when you want it and I hope you understand you are 
>>> being unfair to those who are providing you the resources.
>>> 
>>> On May 5, 2012, at 11:05 AM, Jenny Keller wrote:
>>> 
 I need to know what those lists like friends and family, and stuff are 
 for.  
 
 I don't understand all that stuff, though I did learn how to delete a 
 reminder.  
 
 I have a list of reminders and all of them are coming up though I thought 
 I had other reminders.  I don't see any old ones though.
 
 Anyway, Pod Casts give me too much information at one time and a lot of it 
 I already know, or don't understand in the first place cause it's too 
 advanced for me, or doesn't t

Re: Why can't someone just answer my Ical question without confusing me with a pod cast?

2012-05-05 Thread Ray Foret Jr
I do believe that this is getting a little bit out of hand here.  Jenny, My 
best advice to you is this.  The best way to learn to use any app is to just 
jump in and make use of it and be willing to make a mistake a time or two.  How 
else you gonna learn anything about it?  My best advice for seaking help is 
that you consult the built in help for the apps you want help with when mere 
use and exploration seem not to get it done for you.  Honestly, it's not that 
we mind helping you, but, to be spoon fed the information all the time is, 
quite frankly, not the best way to learn; indeed, it is most likely the worst.  
I would suggest that you take a step back from this and keep in mind the points 
that Scot raises here.  He does have some good points to make, and, I think 
that if you just step back from the emotion of the moment and give things a 
try, you will shock yourself at what you will learn and how quickly.


Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!

Skype name:
barefootedray

Facebook:
facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1



On May 5, 2012, at 3:06 PM, Jenny Keller wrote:

> If I knew where to look for that information I wouldn't inconvenience anyone 
> with my question.
> 
> As far as wanting to be spoon fed, I can't help if I've tried to learn things 
> by pod casts and it completely overwhelms me and I end up more frustrated and 
> confused than I started out.
> 
> If that's the way people feel on this list, then tell me then, what is this 
> list for then if we can't ask simple questions and get simple answers.
> 
> If I'm going to be treated in this manner, I'll just not ask anything and 
> consider unsubscribing to this list altogether if it is too inconvenient for 
> me to ask questions without just being handed a pod cast.  
> 
> That, in my opinion, is taking the lazy way out anyway, cause it prevents you 
> from having to lower yourself to answer such a simple and insignificant 
> question.
> 
> Again, what is this list for if you can't get simple and understandable 
> answers to simple questions.
> 
> If I wanted a pod cast, I would've looked one up.
> 
> Excuse me for bothering those of you that are just too good to answer my 
> simple question.
> 
> Again, I'll just not say anything and again, if I can't get answers to simple 
> questions, but others do't get treated that way, then this list will 
> certainly leave my inbox.
> 
> Jenny
> On May 5, 2012, at 12:19 PM, Scott Howell wrote:
> 
>> Have you tried reading the help files? THey contain a lot of information and 
>> there is also Google. You really expect someone to produce a step-by-step 
>> tutorial on iCal just for you? No offense, but it seems to me that you have 
>> not researched the questions very thoroughly  on your own and just want to 
>> be spoon-fed the information. Asking for help is fine and encouraged, but it 
>> seems that you would ask only when you have already tried finding the 
>> answers elsewhere. There are plenty of resources and the podcast someone 
>> suggested is a great way to learn how to use an app.
>> Of course then you seem to get cross with folks because they won't just give 
>> you what you want when you want it and I hope you understand you are being 
>> unfair to those who are providing you the resources.
>> 
>> On May 5, 2012, at 11:05 AM, Jenny Keller wrote:
>> 
>>> I need to know what those lists like friends and family, and stuff are for. 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> I don't understand all that stuff, though I did learn how to delete a 
>>> reminder.  
>>> 
>>> I have a list of reminders and all of them are coming up though I thought I 
>>> had other reminders.  I don't see any old ones though.
>>> 
>>> Anyway, Pod Casts give me too much information at one time and a lot of it 
>>> I already know, or don't understand in the first place cause it's too 
>>> advanced for me, or doesn't tell me what I need till my mind is so 
>>> overloaded that I can't absorb any more information.
>>> 
>>> Anyway, could someone just tell me in baby steps what all that is for and 
>>> if you have my number, just call if you want to.
>>> 
>>> Jenny
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Re: Why can't someone just answer my Ical question without confusing me with a pod cast?

2012-05-05 Thread Scott Howell
FIrst let me tell you lady I am anything but lazy and I think a lot of people 
have made a considerable amount of effort to help you on this list. You know 
Jenny with that damned attitude you cannot possibly expect help. FOr the love 
of God can't you at least indicate that you tried to find the bloddy answer 
first THe way you ask all of your questions indicates to me that you have 
not even attempted to look at the help files etc. You do know how to use the 
search facilities on GOogle do you not? Do you know how to use the help 
facilities in the application? You know some of your questions are so confusing 
that it is not even clear what you are talking about at times. I should know 
better than to even waste time encouraging you to do the research because this 
is exactly the type of response I should expect. You most definitely come 
across as though you want to be fed the information just in the way you post 
your messages. No one minds helping you, but at least demonstrate you have 
tried. As far as the podcast is concerned I am truly unclear as to how you 
become more confused. You talk about how it is not the way you learn, so then 
explain how you do learn. You cannot expect folks on the list to know your 
learning style and sit down to write mini tutorials with "step 1 open the 
application" etc. If that is what you want then say so, otherwise how does 
anyone know how to feed you information.
So I guess I'll just be to lazy to lower myself to help you in the future and 
your crappy attitude certainly took care of that.

Good luck, you're going to need it.

On May 5, 2012, at 4:06 PM, Jenny Keller wrote:

> If I knew where to look for that information I wouldn't inconvenience anyone 
> with my question.
> 
> As far as wanting to be spoon fed, I can't help if I've tried to learn things 
> by pod casts and it completely overwhelms me and I end up more frustrated and 
> confused than I started out.
> 
> If that's the way people feel on this list, then tell me then, what is this 
> list for then if we can't ask simple questions and get simple answers.
> 
> If I'm going to be treated in this manner, I'll just not ask anything and 
> consider unsubscribing to this list altogether if it is too inconvenient for 
> me to ask questions without just being handed a pod cast.  
> 
> That, in my opinion, is taking the lazy way out anyway, cause it prevents you 
> from having to lower yourself to answer such a simple and insignificant 
> question.
> 
> Again, what is this list for if you can't get simple and understandable 
> answers to simple questions.
> 
> If I wanted a pod cast, I would've looked one up.
> 
> Excuse me for bothering those of you that are just too good to answer my 
> simple question.
> 
> Again, I'll just not say anything and again, if I can't get answers to simple 
> questions, but others do't get treated that way, then this list will 
> certainly leave my inbox.
> 
> Jenny
> On May 5, 2012, at 12:19 PM, Scott Howell wrote:
> 
>> Have you tried reading the help files? THey contain a lot of information and 
>> there is also Google. You really expect someone to produce a step-by-step 
>> tutorial on iCal just for you? No offense, but it seems to me that you have 
>> not researched the questions very thoroughly  on your own and just want to 
>> be spoon-fed the information. Asking for help is fine and encouraged, but it 
>> seems that you would ask only when you have already tried finding the 
>> answers elsewhere. There are plenty of resources and the podcast someone 
>> suggested is a great way to learn how to use an app.
>> Of course then you seem to get cross with folks because they won't just give 
>> you what you want when you want it and I hope you understand you are being 
>> unfair to those who are providing you the resources.
>> 
>> On May 5, 2012, at 11:05 AM, Jenny Keller wrote:
>> 
>>> I need to know what those lists like friends and family, and stuff are for. 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> I don't understand all that stuff, though I did learn how to delete a 
>>> reminder.  
>>> 
>>> I have a list of reminders and all of them are coming up though I thought I 
>>> had other reminders.  I don't see any old ones though.
>>> 
>>> Anyway, Pod Casts give me too much information at one time and a lot of it 
>>> I already know, or don't understand in the first place cause it's too 
>>> advanced for me, or doesn't tell me what I need till my mind is so 
>>> overloaded that I can't absorb any more information.
>>> 
>>> Anyway, could someone just tell me in baby steps what all that is for and 
>>> if you have my number, just call if you want to.
>>> 
>>> Jenny
>>> 
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Re: Why can't someone just answer my Ical question without confusing me with a pod cast?

2012-05-05 Thread Jenny Keller
If I knew where to look for that information I wouldn't inconvenience anyone 
with my question.

As far as wanting to be spoon fed, I can't help if I've tried to learn things 
by pod casts and it completely overwhelms me and I end up more frustrated and 
confused than I started out.

If that's the way people feel on this list, then tell me then, what is this 
list for then if we can't ask simple questions and get simple answers.

If I'm going to be treated in this manner, I'll just not ask anything and 
consider unsubscribing to this list altogether if it is too inconvenient for me 
to ask questions without just being handed a pod cast.  

That, in my opinion, is taking the lazy way out anyway, cause it prevents you 
from having to lower yourself to answer such a simple and insignificant 
question.

Again, what is this list for if you can't get simple and understandable answers 
to simple questions.

If I wanted a pod cast, I would've looked one up.

Excuse me for bothering those of you that are just too good to answer my simple 
question.

Again, I'll just not say anything and again, if I can't get answers to simple 
questions, but others do't get treated that way, then this list will certainly 
leave my inbox.

Jenny
On May 5, 2012, at 12:19 PM, Scott Howell wrote:

> Have you tried reading the help files? THey contain a lot of information and 
> there is also Google. You really expect someone to produce a step-by-step 
> tutorial on iCal just for you? No offense, but it seems to me that you have 
> not researched the questions very thoroughly  on your own and just want to be 
> spoon-fed the information. Asking for help is fine and encouraged, but it 
> seems that you would ask only when you have already tried finding the answers 
> elsewhere. There are plenty of resources and the podcast someone suggested is 
> a great way to learn how to use an app.
> Of course then you seem to get cross with folks because they won't just give 
> you what you want when you want it and I hope you understand you are being 
> unfair to those who are providing you the resources.
> 
> On May 5, 2012, at 11:05 AM, Jenny Keller wrote:
> 
>> I need to know what those lists like friends and family, and stuff are for.  
>> 
>> I don't understand all that stuff, though I did learn how to delete a 
>> reminder.  
>> 
>> I have a list of reminders and all of them are coming up though I thought I 
>> had other reminders.  I don't see any old ones though.
>> 
>> Anyway, Pod Casts give me too much information at one time and a lot of it I 
>> already know, or don't understand in the first place cause it's too advanced 
>> for me, or doesn't tell me what I need till my mind is so overloaded that I 
>> can't absorb any more information.
>> 
>> Anyway, could someone just tell me in baby steps what all that is for and if 
>> you have my number, just call if you want to.
>> 
>> Jenny
>> 
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Re: Why can't someone just answer my Ical question without confusing me with a pod cast?

2012-05-05 Thread Scott Howell
Have you tried reading the help files? THey contain a lot of information and 
there is also Google. You really expect someone to produce a step-by-step 
tutorial on iCal just for you? No offense, but it seems to me that you have not 
researched the questions very thoroughly  on your own and just want to be 
spoon-fed the information. Asking for help is fine and encouraged, but it seems 
that you would ask only when you have already tried finding the answers 
elsewhere. There are plenty of resources and the podcast someone suggested is a 
great way to learn how to use an app.
Of course then you seem to get cross with folks because they won't just give 
you what you want when you want it and I hope you understand you are being 
unfair to those who are providing you the resources.

On May 5, 2012, at 11:05 AM, Jenny Keller wrote:

> I need to know what those lists like friends and family, and stuff are for.  
> 
> I don't understand all that stuff, though I did learn how to delete a 
> reminder.  
> 
> I have a list of reminders and all of them are coming up though I thought I 
> had other reminders.  I don't see any old ones though.
> 
> Anyway, Pod Casts give me too much information at one time and a lot of it I 
> already know, or don't understand in the first place cause it's too advanced 
> for me, or doesn't tell me what I need till my mind is so overloaded that I 
> can't absorb any more information.
> 
> Anyway, could someone just tell me in baby steps what all that is for and if 
> you have my number, just call if you want to.
> 
> Jenny
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Why can't someone just answer my Ical question without confusing me with a pod cast?

2012-05-05 Thread Jenny Keller
I need to know what those lists like friends and family, and stuff are for.  

I don't understand all that stuff, though I did learn how to delete a reminder. 
 

I have a list of reminders and all of them are coming up though I thought I had 
other reminders.  I don't see any old ones though.

Anyway, Pod Casts give me too much information at one time and a lot of it I 
already know, or don't understand in the first place cause it's too advanced 
for me, or doesn't tell me what I need till my mind is so overloaded that I 
can't absorb any more information.

Anyway, could someone just tell me in baby steps what all that is for and if 
you have my number, just call if you want to.

Jenny

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Re: Ical question

2012-02-27 Thread Anne Robertson
Hello Marc,

You can get to the first day in the grid by pressing VO-Cmd-x (go to next list).

Cheers,

Anne

On 27 Feb 2012, at 20:33, Marc Sutton wrote:

> Hi Anne,
> Thanks for your ical tips. Do you know of a quick way to get to the grid of 
> dates? Once in add event mode things get a little unpredictable. Thanks.
> Marc

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Re: Ical question

2012-02-27 Thread Marc Sutton
Hi Anne,
Thanks for your ical tips. Do you know of a quick way to get to the grid of 
dates? Once in add event mode things get a little unpredictable. Thanks.
Marc

On Feb 27, 2012, at 12:59 AM, Anne Robertson wrote:

> Hello Marc,
> 
> To create a new event in iCal, press Cmd-n then type something like: "Dental 
> appointment on Friday March 2nd at 3:30 pm", then press Return. iCal will 
> format the event for you and you can add bits or change things by navigating 
> right to the scroll area, where you interact. Here you'll find all the 
> possible fields, including the menu for selecting the appropriate calendar.
> 
> To go to a particular date, press Cmd-Shift-t and start typing the date you 
> want. iCal will autofill the field and you can adjust it to what you want, 
> then press Return.
> 
> To look at the week's events, interact with the grid. Navigate using the VO 
> keys and you'll hear something like Monday 2 events. Tuesday list. Where it 
> just says List, there are no events. To look at the events on a particular 
> day, interact with the list.
> 
> HTH,
> 
> Anne
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Re: Ical question

2012-02-27 Thread Marc Sutton
Thanks for this tip. I notice that working pretty well except that as i 
command-right-arrow through dates, if there is an event on a particular date, 
voiceover doesn't tell me that fact unless i move back to the events list. It 
would be nice if there were some indication. I wonder if there is some 
voiceover setting or other trick that could be employed to get this info spoken.
Marc

On Feb 27, 2012, at 6:32 AM, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:

> Hi:
> Set your calendar to view by day, that way you can see your events. I believe 
> there is a table to the left of the calendar that has a list events.
> On Feb 26, 2012, at 10:10 PM, Marc Sutton wrote:
> 
>> Hi Kawal,
>> No problem. I suspected you might be referring to the addressbook. It seems 
>> like there is a lot of interacting necessary in order to browse a calendar. 
>> I will see if the iphone app is more efficient.
>> 
>> On Feb 26, 2012, at 1:19 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
>> 
>>> Oh Mark,
>>> 
>>> I just realise that I have been talking about the address book.  Please 
>>> forgive me for that as I must have been very tired when I wrote that first 
>>> message and I had been in my address book yesterday and thought it was the 
>>> calendar for no good reason.
>>> 
>>> But yes, interact with the entries on your calendar and you need to 
>>> interact again with the information once you find an entry that you want to 
>>> read.  I normally use the calendar on my I phone as it is much easier than 
>>> my Mac although I have entered dates and events using my Mac Book Pro and 
>>> when putting in new events, I normally do command N for new, then vo right 
>>> tro where the title and location is to go, and so on until the fields are 
>>> all filled in, once I want to go to a particular entry, stop interacting, 
>>> then vo right until I get to the scroll area, interact twice to read the 
>>> information.
>>> 
>>> Again please accept my apology.
>>> 
>>> Kawal.
>>> 
>>> On 26 Feb 2012, at 07:22 PM, Marc Sutton  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Kawal,
 I don't find any tables in ical. I am just wondering what you mean vy 
 contacts. Do you mean events? I am using ical under lion and there are 
 dates listed but not in any table view. Thanks.
 Marc
 
 On Feb 25, 2012, at 11:51 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
 
> I found that choice by accident when doing VO right arrow once I got past 
> the contacts table (not in the view menu) either.  There is a list view 
> or a table group, it's radio buttons.  Just choose the table group.  I 
> had formatted my Mac prior to this so I don't know if that was the 
> default.
> 
> Kawal.
> 
> On 26 Feb 2012, at 03:24 AM, Marc Sutton  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Kiwal,
>> I am wondering how you choose the table view in ical. There is no menu 
>> choice for this under view. Thanks.
>> Marc
>> 
>> On Feb 25, 2012, at 2:58 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello Mark.
>>> 
>>> I suggest if you are using the Ical on your mac, make sure your 
>>> contacts are in table view then when you get to what entry you want to 
>>> hear, stop interacting with that entry, go to the scroll area and 
>>> interact twice and vo right arrow through that entry.  That is how I do 
>>> it.  You can also install a wigit or you have a wigit which you will 
>>> find (forget where it is) as I've not used them yet, and there you can 
>>> view your calendar entries.
>>> 
>>> Please someone correct me if there is a better way to use the calendar.
>>> 
>>> Kawal.
>>> 
>>> On 25 Feb 2012, at 09:34 PM, Marc Sutton  wrote:
>>> 
 Hello,
 I am just starting to explore the Ical program. I have it set to week 
 view. I added some entries. When I move through the week using vo, i 
 will hear about one event on a particular day. Does anyone know how to 
 hear the time of that event and even hear all the events for that day 
 spoken at once. I am trying to figure out how to quickly and 
 efficiently use the calendar. This would be one feature that could 
 make that possible--the ability to quickly scan events scheduled for 
 the future. Any tips?
 Thanks. Marc
 
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Re: Ical question

2012-02-27 Thread Sarai Bucciarelli
Hi:
Set your calendar to view by day, that way you can see your events. I believe 
there is a table to the left of the calendar that has a list events.
On Feb 26, 2012, at 10:10 PM, Marc Sutton wrote:

> Hi Kawal,
> No problem. I suspected you might be referring to the addressbook. It seems 
> like there is a lot of interacting necessary in order to browse a calendar. I 
> will see if the iphone app is more efficient.
> 
> On Feb 26, 2012, at 1:19 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
> 
>> Oh Mark,
>> 
>> I just realise that I have been talking about the address book.  Please 
>> forgive me for that as I must have been very tired when I wrote that first 
>> message and I had been in my address book yesterday and thought it was the 
>> calendar for no good reason.
>> 
>> But yes, interact with the entries on your calendar and you need to interact 
>> again with the information once you find an entry that you want to read.  I 
>> normally use the calendar on my I phone as it is much easier than my Mac 
>> although I have entered dates and events using my Mac Book Pro and when 
>> putting in new events, I normally do command N for new, then vo right tro 
>> where the title and location is to go, and so on until the fields are all 
>> filled in, once I want to go to a particular entry, stop interacting, then 
>> vo right until I get to the scroll area, interact twice to read the 
>> information.
>> 
>> Again please accept my apology.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>> 
>> On 26 Feb 2012, at 07:22 PM, Marc Sutton  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Kawal,
>>> I don't find any tables in ical. I am just wondering what you mean vy 
>>> contacts. Do you mean events? I am using ical under lion and there are 
>>> dates listed but not in any table view. Thanks.
>>> Marc
>>> 
>>> On Feb 25, 2012, at 11:51 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
>>> 
 I found that choice by accident when doing VO right arrow once I got past 
 the contacts table (not in the view menu) either.  There is a list view or 
 a table group, it's radio buttons.  Just choose the table group.  I had 
 formatted my Mac prior to this so I don't know if that was the default.
 
 Kawal.
 
 On 26 Feb 2012, at 03:24 AM, Marc Sutton  wrote:
 
> Hi Kiwal,
> I am wondering how you choose the table view in ical. There is no menu 
> choice for this under view. Thanks.
> Marc
> 
> On Feb 25, 2012, at 2:58 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
> 
>> Hello Mark.
>> 
>> I suggest if you are using the Ical on your mac, make sure your contacts 
>> are in table view then when you get to what entry you want to hear, stop 
>> interacting with that entry, go to the scroll area and interact twice 
>> and vo right arrow through that entry.  That is how I do it.  You can 
>> also install a wigit or you have a wigit which you will find (forget 
>> where it is) as I've not used them yet, and there you can view your 
>> calendar entries.
>> 
>> Please someone correct me if there is a better way to use the calendar.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>> 
>> On 25 Feb 2012, at 09:34 PM, Marc Sutton  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> I am just starting to explore the Ical program. I have it set to week 
>>> view. I added some entries. When I move through the week using vo, i 
>>> will hear about one event on a particular day. Does anyone know how to 
>>> hear the time of that event and even hear all the events for that day 
>>> spoken at once. I am trying to figure out how to quickly and 
>>> efficiently use the calendar. This would be one feature that could make 
>>> that possible--the ability to quickly scan events scheduled for the 
>>> future. Any tips?
>>> Thanks. Marc
>>> 
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Re: Ical question

2012-02-27 Thread Anne Robertson
Hello Marc,

To create a new event in iCal, press Cmd-n then type something like: "Dental 
appointment on Friday March 2nd at 3:30 pm", then press Return. iCal will 
format the event for you and you can add bits or change things by navigating 
right to the scroll area, where you interact. Here you'll find all the possible 
fields, including the menu for selecting the appropriate calendar.

To go to a particular date, press Cmd-Shift-t and start typing the date you 
want. iCal will autofill the field and you can adjust it to what you want, then 
press Return.

To look at the week's events, interact with the grid. Navigate using the VO 
keys and you'll hear something like Monday 2 events. Tuesday list. Where it 
just says List, there are no events. To look at the events on a particular day, 
interact with the list.

HTH,

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Re: Ical question

2012-02-26 Thread Marc Sutton
Hi Kawal,
No problem. I suspected you might be referring to the addressbook. It seems 
like there is a lot of interacting necessary in order to browse a calendar. I 
will see if the iphone app is more efficient.

On Feb 26, 2012, at 1:19 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:

> Oh Mark,
> 
> I just realise that I have been talking about the address book.  Please 
> forgive me for that as I must have been very tired when I wrote that first 
> message and I had been in my address book yesterday and thought it was the 
> calendar for no good reason.
> 
> But yes, interact with the entries on your calendar and you need to interact 
> again with the information once you find an entry that you want to read.  I 
> normally use the calendar on my I phone as it is much easier than my Mac 
> although I have entered dates and events using my Mac Book Pro and when 
> putting in new events, I normally do command N for new, then vo right tro 
> where the title and location is to go, and so on until the fields are all 
> filled in, once I want to go to a particular entry, stop interacting, then vo 
> right until I get to the scroll area, interact twice to read the information.
> 
> Again please accept my apology.
> 
> Kawal.
> 
> On 26 Feb 2012, at 07:22 PM, Marc Sutton  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Kawal,
>> I don't find any tables in ical. I am just wondering what you mean vy 
>> contacts. Do you mean events? I am using ical under lion and there are dates 
>> listed but not in any table view. Thanks.
>> Marc
>> 
>> On Feb 25, 2012, at 11:51 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
>> 
>>> I found that choice by accident when doing VO right arrow once I got past 
>>> the contacts table (not in the view menu) either.  There is a list view or 
>>> a table group, it's radio buttons.  Just choose the table group.  I had 
>>> formatted my Mac prior to this so I don't know if that was the default.
>>> 
>>> Kawal.
>>> 
>>> On 26 Feb 2012, at 03:24 AM, Marc Sutton  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Kiwal,
 I am wondering how you choose the table view in ical. There is no menu 
 choice for this under view. Thanks.
 Marc
 
 On Feb 25, 2012, at 2:58 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
 
> Hello Mark.
> 
> I suggest if you are using the Ical on your mac, make sure your contacts 
> are in table view then when you get to what entry you want to hear, stop 
> interacting with that entry, go to the scroll area and interact twice and 
> vo right arrow through that entry.  That is how I do it.  You can also 
> install a wigit or you have a wigit which you will find (forget where it 
> is) as I've not used them yet, and there you can view your calendar 
> entries.
> 
> Please someone correct me if there is a better way to use the calendar.
> 
> Kawal.
> 
> On 25 Feb 2012, at 09:34 PM, Marc Sutton  wrote:
> 
>> Hello,
>> I am just starting to explore the Ical program. I have it set to week 
>> view. I added some entries. When I move through the week using vo, i 
>> will hear about one event on a particular day. Does anyone know how to 
>> hear the time of that event and even hear all the events for that day 
>> spoken at once. I am trying to figure out how to quickly and efficiently 
>> use the calendar. This would be one feature that could make that 
>> possible--the ability to quickly scan events scheduled for the future. 
>> Any tips?
>> Thanks. Marc
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Re: Ical question

2012-02-26 Thread Kawal Gucukoglu
Oh Mark,

I just realise that I have been talking about the address book.  Please forgive 
me for that as I must have been very tired when I wrote that first message and 
I had been in my address book yesterday and thought it was the calendar for no 
good reason.

But yes, interact with the entries on your calendar and you need to interact 
again with the information once you find an entry that you want to read.  I 
normally use the calendar on my I phone as it is much easier than my Mac 
although I have entered dates and events using my Mac Book Pro and when putting 
in new events, I normally do command N for new, then vo right tro where the 
title and location is to go, and so on until the fields are all filled in, once 
I want to go to a particular entry, stop interacting, then vo right until I get 
to the scroll area, interact twice to read the information.

Again please accept my apology.

Kawal.

On 26 Feb 2012, at 07:22 PM, Marc Sutton  wrote:

> Hi Kawal,
> I don't find any tables in ical. I am just wondering what you mean vy 
> contacts. Do you mean events? I am using ical under lion and there are dates 
> listed but not in any table view. Thanks.
> Marc
> 
> On Feb 25, 2012, at 11:51 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
> 
>> I found that choice by accident when doing VO right arrow once I got past 
>> the contacts table (not in the view menu) either.  There is a list view or a 
>> table group, it's radio buttons.  Just choose the table group.  I had 
>> formatted my Mac prior to this so I don't know if that was the default.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>> 
>> On 26 Feb 2012, at 03:24 AM, Marc Sutton  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Kiwal,
>>> I am wondering how you choose the table view in ical. There is no menu 
>>> choice for this under view. Thanks.
>>> Marc
>>> 
>>> On Feb 25, 2012, at 2:58 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
>>> 
 Hello Mark.
 
 I suggest if you are using the Ical on your mac, make sure your contacts 
 are in table view then when you get to what entry you want to hear, stop 
 interacting with that entry, go to the scroll area and interact twice and 
 vo right arrow through that entry.  That is how I do it.  You can also 
 install a wigit or you have a wigit which you will find (forget where it 
 is) as I've not used them yet, and there you can view your calendar 
 entries.
 
 Please someone correct me if there is a better way to use the calendar.
 
 Kawal.
 
 On 25 Feb 2012, at 09:34 PM, Marc Sutton  wrote:
 
> Hello,
> I am just starting to explore the Ical program. I have it set to week 
> view. I added some entries. When I move through the week using vo, i will 
> hear about one event on a particular day. Does anyone know how to hear 
> the time of that event and even hear all the events for that day spoken 
> at once. I am trying to figure out how to quickly and efficiently use the 
> calendar. This would be one feature that could make that possible--the 
> ability to quickly scan events scheduled for the future. Any tips?
> Thanks. Marc
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Re: Ical question

2012-02-26 Thread Marc Sutton
Hi Kawal,
I don't find any tables in ical. I am just wondering what you mean vy contacts. 
Do you mean events? I am using ical under lion and there are dates listed but 
not in any table view. Thanks.
Marc

On Feb 25, 2012, at 11:51 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:

> I found that choice by accident when doing VO right arrow once I got past the 
> contacts table (not in the view menu) either.  There is a list view or a 
> table group, it's radio buttons.  Just choose the table group.  I had 
> formatted my Mac prior to this so I don't know if that was the default.
> 
> Kawal.
> 
> On 26 Feb 2012, at 03:24 AM, Marc Sutton  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Kiwal,
>> I am wondering how you choose the table view in ical. There is no menu 
>> choice for this under view. Thanks.
>> Marc
>> 
>> On Feb 25, 2012, at 2:58 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello Mark.
>>> 
>>> I suggest if you are using the Ical on your mac, make sure your contacts 
>>> are in table view then when you get to what entry you want to hear, stop 
>>> interacting with that entry, go to the scroll area and interact twice and 
>>> vo right arrow through that entry.  That is how I do it.  You can also 
>>> install a wigit or you have a wigit which you will find (forget where it 
>>> is) as I've not used them yet, and there you can view your calendar entries.
>>> 
>>> Please someone correct me if there is a better way to use the calendar.
>>> 
>>> Kawal.
>>> 
>>> On 25 Feb 2012, at 09:34 PM, Marc Sutton  wrote:
>>> 
 Hello,
 I am just starting to explore the Ical program. I have it set to week 
 view. I added some entries. When I move through the week using vo, i will 
 hear about one event on a particular day. Does anyone know how to hear the 
 time of that event and even hear all the events for that day spoken at 
 once. I am trying to figure out how to quickly and efficiently use the 
 calendar. This would be one feature that could make that possible--the 
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Re: Ical question

2012-02-25 Thread Kawal Gucukoglu
I found that choice by accident when doing VO right arrow once I got past the 
contacts table (not in the view menu) either.  There is a list view or a table 
group, it's radio buttons.  Just choose the table group.  I had formatted my 
Mac prior to this so I don't know if that was the default.

Kawal.

On 26 Feb 2012, at 03:24 AM, Marc Sutton  wrote:

> Hi Kiwal,
> I am wondering how you choose the table view in ical. There is no menu choice 
> for this under view. Thanks.
> Marc
> 
> On Feb 25, 2012, at 2:58 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
> 
>> Hello Mark.
>> 
>> I suggest if you are using the Ical on your mac, make sure your contacts are 
>> in table view then when you get to what entry you want to hear, stop 
>> interacting with that entry, go to the scroll area and interact twice and vo 
>> right arrow through that entry.  That is how I do it.  You can also install 
>> a wigit or you have a wigit which you will find (forget where it is) as I've 
>> not used them yet, and there you can view your calendar entries.
>> 
>> Please someone correct me if there is a better way to use the calendar.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>> 
>> On 25 Feb 2012, at 09:34 PM, Marc Sutton  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> I am just starting to explore the Ical program. I have it set to week view. 
>>> I added some entries. When I move through the week using vo, i will hear 
>>> about one event on a particular day. Does anyone know how to hear the time 
>>> of that event and even hear all the events for that day spoken at once. I 
>>> am trying to figure out how to quickly and efficiently use the calendar. 
>>> This would be one feature that could make that possible--the ability to 
>>> quickly scan events scheduled for the future. Any tips?
>>> Thanks. Marc
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Re: Ical question

2012-02-25 Thread Marc Sutton
Hi Kiwal,
I am wondering how you choose the table view in ical. There is no menu choice 
for this under view. Thanks.
Marc

On Feb 25, 2012, at 2:58 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:

> Hello Mark.
> 
> I suggest if you are using the Ical on your mac, make sure your contacts are 
> in table view then when you get to what entry you want to hear, stop 
> interacting with that entry, go to the scroll area and interact twice and vo 
> right arrow through that entry.  That is how I do it.  You can also install a 
> wigit or you have a wigit which you will find (forget where it is) as I've 
> not used them yet, and there you can view your calendar entries.
> 
> Please someone correct me if there is a better way to use the calendar.
> 
> Kawal.
> 
> On 25 Feb 2012, at 09:34 PM, Marc Sutton  wrote:
> 
>> Hello,
>> I am just starting to explore the Ical program. I have it set to week view. 
>> I added some entries. When I move through the week using vo, i will hear 
>> about one event on a particular day. Does anyone know how to hear the time 
>> of that event and even hear all the events for that day spoken at once. I am 
>> trying to figure out how to quickly and efficiently use the calendar. This 
>> would be one feature that could make that possible--the ability to quickly 
>> scan events scheduled for the future. Any tips?
>> Thanks. Marc
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Re: Ical question

2012-02-25 Thread Kawal Gucukoglu
Hello Mark.

I suggest if you are using the Ical on your mac, make sure your contacts are in 
table view then when you get to what entry you want to hear, stop interacting 
with that entry, go to the scroll area and interact twice and vo right arrow 
through that entry.  That is how I do it.  You can also install a wigit or you 
have a wigit which you will find (forget where it is) as I've not used them 
yet, and there you can view your calendar entries.

Please someone correct me if there is a better way to use the calendar.

Kawal.

On 25 Feb 2012, at 09:34 PM, Marc Sutton  wrote:

> Hello,
> I am just starting to explore the Ical program. I have it set to week view. I 
> added some entries. When I move through the week using vo, i will hear about 
> one event on a particular day. Does anyone know how to hear the time of that 
> event and even hear all the events for that day spoken at once. I am trying 
> to figure out how to quickly and efficiently use the calendar. This would be 
> one feature that could make that possible--the ability to quickly scan events 
> scheduled for the future. Any tips?
> Thanks. Marc
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Ical question

2012-02-25 Thread Marc Sutton
Hello,
I am just starting to explore the Ical program. I have it set to week view. I 
added some entries. When I move through the week using vo, i will hear about 
one event on a particular day. Does anyone know how to hear the time of that 
event and even hear all the events for that day spoken at once. I am trying to 
figure out how to quickly and efficiently use the calendar. This would be one 
feature that could make that possible--the ability to quickly scan events 
scheduled for the future. Any tips?
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Re: Creating Calendars in iCal Question

2011-10-21 Thread Scott Howell
Sarai, I do not have any problems with creating and changing the names of 
calendars.
Follow these steps:

1. Go to the menu/File/New Calendar (a submenu).
2. Choose where you want the calendar.
3. The popover appears and you need to interact with the calendar table.
4. Navigate to Column two and interact with the "Untitled" name.
5. Begin typing over or erase and insert your own text.

I hope that helps.

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> Hi guys:
> When I attempt to create a new Calendar, It just says "untitled." I cannot 
> create a title for my calendar. I cannot even edit it, just delete. I tried 
> creating on my Mac, and under iCloud with no luck. Any thoughts?
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Creating Calendars in iCal Question

2011-10-21 Thread Sarai Bucciarelli
Hi guys:
When I attempt to create a new Calendar, It just says "untitled." I cannot 
create a title for my calendar. I cannot even edit it, just delete. I tried 
creating on my Mac, and under iCloud with no luck. Any thoughts?

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Re: ICal question

2011-03-24 Thread Jes Smith
I figured it out. Turns out I had the show all day events box checked.
Thanks for the help though.
Jes

On Mar 23, 2011, at 7:37 PM, Scott Howell wrote:

> Try command-1 for day view and perhaps this will help or command-2 for week 
> view.
> 
> hth
> Scott
> On Mar 23, 2011, at 7:06 PM, Jes Smith wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Something really strange is happening with ICal. Whenever I create an event 
>> and then scroll to the particular date on which that event falls, I can't 
>> get the events corresponding to that day.
>> For example, if I have an event at 3 pm on April 15th, I go to April 15, but 
>> don't see the event for just that day.
>> Any help?
>> Jes
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Re: ICal question

2011-03-23 Thread Scott Howell
Try command-1 for day view and perhaps this will help or command-2 for week 
view.

hth
Scott
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> Hi all,
> 
> Something really strange is happening with ICal. Whenever I create an event 
> and then scroll to the particular date on which that event falls, I can't get 
> the events corresponding to that day.
> For example, if I have an event at 3 pm on April 15th, I go to April 15, but 
> don't see the event for just that day.
> Any help?
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ICal question

2011-03-23 Thread Jes Smith
Hi all,

Something really strange is happening with ICal. Whenever I create an event and 
then scroll to the particular date on which that event falls, I can't get the 
events corresponding to that day.
For example, if I have an event at 3 pm on April 15th, I go to April 15, but 
don't see the event for just that day.
Any help?
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Re: ical question/problem

2011-02-27 Thread Jonathan C. Cohn
1. Are you sure that the timezone is set for your location?
2. You could change the time in advance that you want to be notified.
3. You could  (though I don't particularily recommend it) set up a notification 
that calls an APpleScript. That Apple Script could minumize all windows or use 
the "say" function to talk to you for example.

Jon

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On Feb 27, 2011, at 5:12 PM, William Windels wrote:

> Hello all,
> I use Ical for all my events/appointments and this works, not perfect but 
> enough for me.
> 
> One of the problems I have is that , I think only past events, are poping up 
> on my screen also if I am in another program then Ical.
> 
> If someone recognizes this situation, it would be very nice to know how I can 
> set ical not to do this.
> Of course, when a reminder is coming up, I would like to see that reminder.
> 
> Thanx for your help,
> best regards,
> William Windels 
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ical question/problem

2011-02-27 Thread William Windels
Hello all,
I use Ical for all my events/appointments and this works, not perfect but 
enough for me.

One of the problems I have is that , I think only past events, are poping up on 
my screen also if I am in another program then Ical.

If someone recognizes this situation, it would be very nice to know how I can 
set ical not to do this.
Of course, when a reminder is coming up, I would like to see that reminder.

Thanx for your help,
best regards,
William Windels 

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Re: ical question

2010-12-30 Thread Jenny Wood
Hi there.  I am not fully adept at customizing iCal myself at this point, but 
can work it well enough to make good use of it anyway.  To create an event, 
just press command-n, and then press command-E to edit the new event.  There, 
you can give it a title, location, date/time, set alarms, etc.  Just tab to 
Done when you are through, and the new event will automatically sort itself 
into the correct place on your calendar.  Just a quick note from my own 
experience, when tabbing through the Edit Event box, the list boxes for the 
month, date, year and time do not read automatically.  Once I tab to a field 
that doesn't read, I just use my arrow keys to get voiceover to announce the 
highlighted selection in the list.  

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On Dec 30, 2010, at 10:16 PM, denise avant wrote:

> hi all,
> i wanted to try my hand at ical, but do not see the box where you enter the 
> beginning and ending time for appointments. as for the settings i switched to 
> the day view as opposed to the week view. are there any other settings i 
> should change to more effectively use ical?
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2010-12-30 Thread denise avant
hi all,
i wanted to try my hand at ical, but do not see the box where you enter the 
beginning and ending time for appointments. as for the settings i switched to 
the day view as opposed to the week view. are there any other settings i should 
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Re: An iCal Question

2010-08-28 Thread Michael Busboom
Hi.

In my office, I am the only Mac user.  Everyone else uses Outlook running 
Windows to keep track of their appointments.  Furthermore, they send out 
appointment notifications via e-mail that all of us are supposed to put into 
our work calendars.  Is there an easy way for me to send them my appointments 
and have them appear in their Outlook calendars as well as theirs automatically 
appearing in iCal?

Thank you,

Mike

On 20,Aug,2010, at 2:41 AM, Scott Howell wrote:

> No problem Mark and I am not an iCal expert, but it does work incredibly 
> well. I know some have seen old data hanging around and all of this can be 
> configured via the preferences (command-comma). There may be a good book, but 
> most of what I have learned came as a result of my desire to switch to the 
> Mac at work. Oh and of course my failing memory and an angry wife because I 
> could not remember all those dates. :)
> On Aug 19, 2010, at 5:55 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
> 
>> Hello Scott,
>> 
>> Thank you so much.  Following your excellent instructions, I realize that I 
>> did not uncheck the All Day Checkbox.  
>> 
>> All is working perfectly, now.
>> 
>> Thank you ever so much.
>> 
>> Mark
>> On Aug 19, 2010, at 1:01 PM, Scott Howell wrote:
>> 
>>> Mark,
>>> 
>>> Follow these steps, I think it will help you.
>>> 
>>> 1. command-n to create a new event.
>>> 2. command-i for inspector.
>>> 3. you first are on the title of the event, navigate right with VO and 
>>> interact with the details scroll area.
>>> 4. first field is location, followed by all day checkbox, then you 
>>> encounter as you navigate to the right, the "From" field. (NOTE: make sure 
>>> the all day checkbox is not checked. If it is, you will not see the time in 
>>> the date field. You instead will only see the date.)
>>> 5. Navigate to the right until you hear the date and interact to set the 
>>> date/time.
>>> 6. Next will be the end date/time. (NOTE: again, make sure the all day 
>>> checkbox is not checked or you will only see the date, not the hours.)
>>> 7. Next you may have a timezone popup assuming you have set this option in 
>>> preferences.
>>> 8. You will encounter the "Repeat" options.
>>> 9. Show as option.
>>> 10. Calendar (On which calendar the event is to be recorded).
>>> 11. Alarm/notification options follow.
>>> 12. Another alarm option.
>>> 13. Invitees options.
>>> 14. Place for a URL.
>>> 15. A place to type notes.
>>> 
>>> Command w to save.
>>> 
>>> hth,
>>> On Aug 19, 2010, at 3:41 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 
 What I am saying is that I cannot find the Start and End time fields.  
 Yes, I know this is hard to believe but, I swear, I cannot locate these 
 fields.  All I can find is the Start and Ending date fields.
 
 The steps I am taking to create a new event are:
 
 1.
 From within iCal, while focused on the Canvas area, I Tap Command+N.
 
 2.
 This brings up a New Event Text Box in which I type in the Appointment 
 Info such as Eye Doctor Appointment.
 
 3.
 Then, I open the Inspector and enter more details including the Start and 
 End Dates.  
 
 Nowhere do I see the Start and Ending Time fields.
 
 Clearly there is another way to create a new event but I don't know what 
 it is.
 
 Thank you all for helping me on this one.
 
 Mark
 
 
 On Aug 19, 2010, at 2:15 AM, Scott Howell wrote:
 
> Mark, the only fields I am aware of is the start and end times for an 
> event. Are you saying there should be a field that specifically states 
> the event will be one hour or are you saying there is a field where you 
> can indicate length of time versus a specific end time in hours/minutes?
> On Aug 19, 2010, at 3:16 AM, M. Taylor wrote:
> 
>> Hello Everyone,
>> 
>> When I create a new event in iCal, I cannot seem to locate the fields 
>> that determines how long the event will last.  All I can see in the 
>> inspector is the date fields.  What am I doing wrong?
>> 
>> Thank you.
>> 
>> Mark
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Re: An iCal Question

2010-08-19 Thread Scott Howell
No problem Mark and I am not an iCal expert, but it does work incredibly well. 
I know some have seen old data hanging around and all of this can be configured 
via the preferences (command-comma). There may be a good book, but most of what 
I have learned came as a result of my desire to switch to the Mac at work. Oh 
and of course my failing memory and an angry wife because I could not remember 
all those dates. :)
On Aug 19, 2010, at 5:55 PM, M. Taylor wrote:

> Hello Scott,
> 
> Thank you so much.  Following your excellent instructions, I realize that I 
> did not uncheck the All Day Checkbox.  
> 
> All is working perfectly, now.
> 
> Thank you ever so much.
> 
> Mark
> On Aug 19, 2010, at 1:01 PM, Scott Howell wrote:
> 
>> Mark,
>> 
>> Follow these steps, I think it will help you.
>> 
>> 1. command-n to create a new event.
>> 2. command-i for inspector.
>> 3. you first are on the title of the event, navigate right with VO and 
>> interact with the details scroll area.
>> 4. first field is location, followed by all day checkbox, then you encounter 
>> as you navigate to the right, the "From" field. (NOTE: make sure the all day 
>> checkbox is not checked. If it is, you will not see the time in the date 
>> field. You instead will only see the date.)
>> 5. Navigate to the right until you hear the date and interact to set the 
>> date/time.
>> 6. Next will be the end date/time. (NOTE: again, make sure the all day 
>> checkbox is not checked or you will only see the date, not the hours.)
>> 7. Next you may have a timezone popup assuming you have set this option in 
>> preferences.
>> 8. You will encounter the "Repeat" options.
>> 9. Show as option.
>> 10. Calendar (On which calendar the event is to be recorded).
>> 11. Alarm/notification options follow.
>> 12. Another alarm option.
>> 13. Invitees options.
>> 14. Place for a URL.
>> 15. A place to type notes.
>> 
>> Command w to save.
>> 
>> hth,
>> On Aug 19, 2010, at 3:41 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> What I am saying is that I cannot find the Start and End time fields.  Yes, 
>>> I know this is hard to believe but, I swear, I cannot locate these fields.  
>>> All I can find is the Start and Ending date fields.
>>> 
>>> The steps I am taking to create a new event are:
>>> 
>>> 1.
>>> From within iCal, while focused on the Canvas area, I Tap Command+N.
>>> 
>>> 2.
>>> This brings up a New Event Text Box in which I type in the Appointment Info 
>>> such as Eye Doctor Appointment.
>>> 
>>> 3.
>>> Then, I open the Inspector and enter more details including the Start and 
>>> End Dates.  
>>> 
>>> Nowhere do I see the Start and Ending Time fields.
>>> 
>>> Clearly there is another way to create a new event but I don't know what it 
>>> is.
>>> 
>>> Thank you all for helping me on this one.
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Aug 19, 2010, at 2:15 AM, Scott Howell wrote:
>>> 
 Mark, the only fields I am aware of is the start and end times for an 
 event. Are you saying there should be a field that specifically states the 
 event will be one hour or are you saying there is a field where you can 
 indicate length of time versus a specific end time in hours/minutes?
 On Aug 19, 2010, at 3:16 AM, M. Taylor wrote:
 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> When I create a new event in iCal, I cannot seem to locate the fields 
> that determines how long the event will last.  All I can see in the 
> inspector is the date fields.  What am I doing wrong?
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> Mark
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Re: An iCal Question

2010-08-19 Thread M. Taylor
Hello Scott,

Thank you so much.  Following your excellent instructions, I realize that I did 
not uncheck the All Day Checkbox.  

All is working perfectly, now.

Thank you ever so much.

Mark
On Aug 19, 2010, at 1:01 PM, Scott Howell wrote:

> Mark,
> 
> Follow these steps, I think it will help you.
> 
> 1. command-n to create a new event.
> 2. command-i for inspector.
> 3. you first are on the title of the event, navigate right with VO and 
> interact with the details scroll area.
> 4. first field is location, followed by all day checkbox, then you encounter 
> as you navigate to the right, the "From" field. (NOTE: make sure the all day 
> checkbox is not checked. If it is, you will not see the time in the date 
> field. You instead will only see the date.)
> 5. Navigate to the right until you hear the date and interact to set the 
> date/time.
> 6. Next will be the end date/time. (NOTE: again, make sure the all day 
> checkbox is not checked or you will only see the date, not the hours.)
> 7. Next you may have a timezone popup assuming you have set this option in 
> preferences.
> 8. You will encounter the "Repeat" options.
> 9. Show as option.
> 10. Calendar (On which calendar the event is to be recorded).
> 11. Alarm/notification options follow.
> 12. Another alarm option.
> 13. Invitees options.
> 14. Place for a URL.
> 15. A place to type notes.
> 
> Command w to save.
> 
> hth,
> On Aug 19, 2010, at 3:41 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> What I am saying is that I cannot find the Start and End time fields.  Yes, 
>> I know this is hard to believe but, I swear, I cannot locate these fields.  
>> All I can find is the Start and Ending date fields.
>> 
>> The steps I am taking to create a new event are:
>> 
>> 1.
>> From within iCal, while focused on the Canvas area, I Tap Command+N.
>> 
>> 2.
>> This brings up a New Event Text Box in which I type in the Appointment Info 
>> such as Eye Doctor Appointment.
>> 
>> 3.
>> Then, I open the Inspector and enter more details including the Start and 
>> End Dates.  
>> 
>> Nowhere do I see the Start and Ending Time fields.
>> 
>> Clearly there is another way to create a new event but I don't know what it 
>> is.
>> 
>> Thank you all for helping me on this one.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> 
>> On Aug 19, 2010, at 2:15 AM, Scott Howell wrote:
>> 
>>> Mark, the only fields I am aware of is the start and end times for an 
>>> event. Are you saying there should be a field that specifically states the 
>>> event will be one hour or are you saying there is a field where you can 
>>> indicate length of time versus a specific end time in hours/minutes?
>>> On Aug 19, 2010, at 3:16 AM, M. Taylor wrote:
>>> 
 Hello Everyone,
 
 When I create a new event in iCal, I cannot seem to locate the fields that 
 determines how long the event will last.  All I can see in the inspector 
 is the date fields.  What am I doing wrong?
 
 Thank you.
 
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Re: An iCal Question

2010-08-19 Thread Sarah Alawami
Oh I've been hitting cmd E not cmd I. this places me in an edit events where i 
can do the same thing.

S
On Aug 19, 2010, at 1:01 PM, Scott Howell wrote:

> Mark,
> 
> Follow these steps, I think it will help you.
> 
> 1. command-n to create a new event.
> 2. command-i for inspector.
> 3. you first are on the title of the event, navigate right with VO and 
> interact with the details scroll area.
> 4. first field is location, followed by all day checkbox, then you encounter 
> as you navigate to the right, the "From" field. (NOTE: make sure the all day 
> checkbox is not checked. If it is, you will not see the time in the date 
> field. You instead will only see the date.)
> 5. Navigate to the right until you hear the date and interact to set the 
> date/time.
> 6. Next will be the end date/time. (NOTE: again, make sure the all day 
> checkbox is not checked or you will only see the date, not the hours.)
> 7. Next you may have a timezone popup assuming you have set this option in 
> preferences.
> 8. You will encounter the "Repeat" options.
> 9. Show as option.
> 10. Calendar (On which calendar the event is to be recorded).
> 11. Alarm/notification options follow.
> 12. Another alarm option.
> 13. Invitees options.
> 14. Place for a URL.
> 15. A place to type notes.
> 
> Command w to save.
> 
> hth,
> On Aug 19, 2010, at 3:41 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> What I am saying is that I cannot find the Start and End time fields.  Yes, 
>> I know this is hard to believe but, I swear, I cannot locate these fields.  
>> All I can find is the Start and Ending date fields.
>> 
>> The steps I am taking to create a new event are:
>> 
>> 1.
>> From within iCal, while focused on the Canvas area, I Tap Command+N.
>> 
>> 2.
>> This brings up a New Event Text Box in which I type in the Appointment Info 
>> such as Eye Doctor Appointment.
>> 
>> 3.
>> Then, I open the Inspector and enter more details including the Start and 
>> End Dates.  
>> 
>> Nowhere do I see the Start and Ending Time fields.
>> 
>> Clearly there is another way to create a new event but I don't know what it 
>> is.
>> 
>> Thank you all for helping me on this one.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> 
>> On Aug 19, 2010, at 2:15 AM, Scott Howell wrote:
>> 
>>> Mark, the only fields I am aware of is the start and end times for an 
>>> event. Are you saying there should be a field that specifically states the 
>>> event will be one hour or are you saying there is a field where you can 
>>> indicate length of time versus a specific end time in hours/minutes?
>>> On Aug 19, 2010, at 3:16 AM, M. Taylor wrote:
>>> 
 Hello Everyone,
 
 When I create a new event in iCal, I cannot seem to locate the fields that 
 determines how long the event will last.  All I can see in the inspector 
 is the date fields.  What am I doing wrong?
 
 Thank you.
 
 Mark
 
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Re: An iCal Question

2010-08-19 Thread William Windels
Hi all,
thanx for this summary steps.
I am using ical for a 2 months and, it's works it has some limits:
- how can I clean the appointments that are past?
- the functions, go to date and go to today (command+t or command+shift+t) are 
not working with vo: is see no result.
- I use monthview, the best for us I think but: there are still some days of 
the following month in this view.
I mean: with vo+arrows, I go to the different appointments and with 
command+right/left arrow, I go to the next/prev mont.
When I am in a mont, I can still see some days of the next month.
This is confusing...
- the buttons: reveal, dismiss or snooze are not translated in the languages: I 
use dutch as interface-language.

Any hints are welcome!

thanx in advance,
William
Op 19-aug-2010, om 22:01 heeft Scott Howell het volgende geschreven:

> Mark,
> 
> Follow these steps, I think it will help you.
> 
> 1. command-n to create a new event.
> 2. command-i for inspector.
> 3. you first are on the title of the event, navigate right with VO and 
> interact with the details scroll area.
> 4. first field is location, followed by all day checkbox, then you encounter 
> as you navigate to the right, the "From" field. (NOTE: make sure the all day 
> checkbox is not checked. If it is, you will not see the time in the date 
> field. You instead will only see the date.)
> 5. Navigate to the right until you hear the date and interact to set the 
> date/time.
> 6. Next will be the end date/time. (NOTE: again, make sure the all day 
> checkbox is not checked or you will only see the date, not the hours.)
> 7. Next you may have a timezone popup assuming you have set this option in 
> preferences.
> 8. You will encounter the "Repeat" options.
> 9. Show as option.
> 10. Calendar (On which calendar the event is to be recorded).
> 11. Alarm/notification options follow.
> 12. Another alarm option.
> 13. Invitees options.
> 14. Place for a URL.
> 15. A place to type notes.
> 
> Command w to save.
> 
> hth,
> On Aug 19, 2010, at 3:41 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> What I am saying is that I cannot find the Start and End time fields.  Yes, 
>> I know this is hard to believe but, I swear, I cannot locate these fields.  
>> All I can find is the Start and Ending date fields.
>> 
>> The steps I am taking to create a new event are:
>> 
>> 1.
>> From within iCal, while focused on the Canvas area, I Tap Command+N.
>> 
>> 2.
>> This brings up a New Event Text Box in which I type in the Appointment Info 
>> such as Eye Doctor Appointment.
>> 
>> 3.
>> Then, I open the Inspector and enter more details including the Start and 
>> End Dates.  
>> 
>> Nowhere do I see the Start and Ending Time fields.
>> 
>> Clearly there is another way to create a new event but I don't know what it 
>> is.
>> 
>> Thank you all for helping me on this one.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> 
>> On Aug 19, 2010, at 2:15 AM, Scott Howell wrote:
>> 
>>> Mark, the only fields I am aware of is the start and end times for an 
>>> event. Are you saying there should be a field that specifically states the 
>>> event will be one hour or are you saying there is a field where you can 
>>> indicate length of time versus a specific end time in hours/minutes?
>>> On Aug 19, 2010, at 3:16 AM, M. Taylor wrote:
>>> 
 Hello Everyone,
 
 When I create a new event in iCal, I cannot seem to locate the fields that 
 determines how long the event will last.  All I can see in the inspector 
 is the date fields.  What am I doing wrong?
 
 Thank you.
 
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Re: An iCal Question

2010-08-19 Thread Scott Howell
Mark,

Follow these steps, I think it will help you.

1. command-n to create a new event.
2. command-i for inspector.
3. you first are on the title of the event, navigate right with VO and interact 
with the details scroll area.
4. first field is location, followed by all day checkbox, then you encounter as 
you navigate to the right, the "From" field. (NOTE: make sure the all day 
checkbox is not checked. If it is, you will not see the time in the date field. 
You instead will only see the date.)
5. Navigate to the right until you hear the date and interact to set the 
date/time.
6. Next will be the end date/time. (NOTE: again, make sure the all day checkbox 
is not checked or you will only see the date, not the hours.)
7. Next you may have a timezone popup assuming you have set this option in 
preferences.
8. You will encounter the "Repeat" options.
9. Show as option.
10. Calendar (On which calendar the event is to be recorded).
11. Alarm/notification options follow.
12. Another alarm option.
13. Invitees options.
14. Place for a URL.
15. A place to type notes.

Command w to save.

hth,
On Aug 19, 2010, at 3:41 PM, M. Taylor wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> What I am saying is that I cannot find the Start and End time fields.  Yes, I 
> know this is hard to believe but, I swear, I cannot locate these fields.  All 
> I can find is the Start and Ending date fields.
> 
> The steps I am taking to create a new event are:
> 
> 1.
> From within iCal, while focused on the Canvas area, I Tap Command+N.
> 
> 2.
> This brings up a New Event Text Box in which I type in the Appointment Info 
> such as Eye Doctor Appointment.
> 
> 3.
> Then, I open the Inspector and enter more details including the Start and End 
> Dates.  
> 
> Nowhere do I see the Start and Ending Time fields.
> 
> Clearly there is another way to create a new event but I don't know what it 
> is.
> 
> Thank you all for helping me on this one.
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> On Aug 19, 2010, at 2:15 AM, Scott Howell wrote:
> 
>> Mark, the only fields I am aware of is the start and end times for an event. 
>> Are you saying there should be a field that specifically states the event 
>> will be one hour or are you saying there is a field where you can indicate 
>> length of time versus a specific end time in hours/minutes?
>> On Aug 19, 2010, at 3:16 AM, M. Taylor wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello Everyone,
>>> 
>>> When I create a new event in iCal, I cannot seem to locate the fields that 
>>> determines how long the event will last.  All I can see in the inspector is 
>>> the date fields.  What am I doing wrong?
>>> 
>>> Thank you.
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
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Re: An iCal Question

2010-08-19 Thread M. Taylor
Hi,

What I am saying is that I cannot find the Start and End time fields.  Yes, I 
know this is hard to believe but, I swear, I cannot locate these fields.  All I 
can find is the Start and Ending date fields.

The steps I am taking to create a new event are:

1.
>From within iCal, while focused on the Canvas area, I Tap Command+N.

2.
This brings up a New Event Text Box in which I type in the Appointment Info 
such as Eye Doctor Appointment.

3.
Then, I open the Inspector and enter more details including the Start and End 
Dates.  

Nowhere do I see the Start and Ending Time fields.

Clearly there is another way to create a new event but I don't know what it is.

Thank you all for helping me on this one.

Mark


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> Mark, the only fields I am aware of is the start and end times for an event. 
> Are you saying there should be a field that specifically states the event 
> will be one hour or are you saying there is a field where you can indicate 
> length of time versus a specific end time in hours/minutes?
> On Aug 19, 2010, at 3:16 AM, M. Taylor wrote:
> 
>> Hello Everyone,
>> 
>> When I create a new event in iCal, I cannot seem to locate the fields that 
>> determines how long the event will last.  All I can see in the inspector is 
>> the date fields.  What am I doing wrong?
>> 
>> Thank you.
>> 
>> Mark
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Re: An iCal Question

2010-08-19 Thread Scott Howell
Sara I do not understand your question. If he is interacting with the date/time 
field, the values in the field change and VO will verbalize the information. If 
I understand Mark correctly, he wants to see some field/information that 
indicates the length of an event. If that is so, there is no such field to the 
best of my knowledge.
Actually if you are looking at an event, which has already been created, the to 
and from fields are the only fields I suspect you will see. So, whether you are 
creating or viewing an event, the to/from fields seem to be the only indicators 
of date/time.
On Aug 19, 2010, at 7:41 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote:

> What happens when you interact with the date and time field and use vo and 
> and down?
> 
> Take care.
> On Aug 19, 2010, at 2:15 AM, Scott Howell wrote:
> 
>> Mark, the only fields I am aware of is the start and end times for an event. 
>> Are you saying there should be a field that specifically states the event 
>> will be one hour or are you saying there is a field where you can indicate 
>> length of time versus a specific end time in hours/minutes?
>> On Aug 19, 2010, at 3:16 AM, M. Taylor wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello Everyone,
>>> 
>>> When I create a new event in iCal, I cannot seem to locate the fields that 
>>> determines how long the event will last.  All I can see in the inspector is 
>>> the date fields.  What am I doing wrong?
>>> 
>>> Thank you.
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
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Re: An iCal Question

2010-08-19 Thread Sarah Alawami
What happens when you interact with the date and time field and use vo and and 
down?

Take care.
On Aug 19, 2010, at 2:15 AM, Scott Howell wrote:

> Mark, the only fields I am aware of is the start and end times for an event. 
> Are you saying there should be a field that specifically states the event 
> will be one hour or are you saying there is a field where you can indicate 
> length of time versus a specific end time in hours/minutes?
> On Aug 19, 2010, at 3:16 AM, M. Taylor wrote:
> 
>> Hello Everyone,
>> 
>> When I create a new event in iCal, I cannot seem to locate the fields that 
>> determines how long the event will last.  All I can see in the inspector is 
>> the date fields.  What am I doing wrong?
>> 
>> Thank you.
>> 
>> Mark
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Re: An iCal Question

2010-08-19 Thread Scott Howell
Mark, the only fields I am aware of is the start and end times for an event. 
Are you saying there should be a field that specifically states the event will 
be one hour or are you saying there is a field where you can indicate length of 
time versus a specific end time in hours/minutes?
On Aug 19, 2010, at 3:16 AM, M. Taylor wrote:

> Hello Everyone,
> 
> When I create a new event in iCal, I cannot seem to locate the fields that 
> determines how long the event will last.  All I can see in the inspector is 
> the date fields.  What am I doing wrong?
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> Mark
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An iCal Question

2010-08-19 Thread M. Taylor
Hello Everyone,

When I create a new event in iCal, I cannot seem to locate the fields that 
determines how long the event will last.  All I can see in the inspector is the 
date fields.  What am I doing wrong?

Thank you.

Mark

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Re: iCal question

2010-06-11 Thread Sarai Bucciarelli
that check box didn't have a help tag.Thanks! 
On Jun 11, 2010, at 9:00 PM, Brett Campbell wrote:

> You can VO left arrow one time from the canvas area, there you will hear 
> calendar list.  Interact with the list and you can check and uncheck the 
> calendars you wish to view.  
> 
> 
> Brett C.
> 
> On Jun 11, 2010, at 7:54 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:
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>> Hi guys:
>> I've figured out how to create calendars, and add events to Calendars; 
>> however all of my appointments are showing up in the canvass area. I've 
>> tried to show the work calendar only, but my personal appointments are 
>> showing up as well. How can I se only one calendar at a time?
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Re: iCal question

2010-06-11 Thread Brett Campbell
You can VO left arrow one time from the canvas area, there you will hear 
calendar list.  Interact with the list and you can check and uncheck the 
calendars you wish to view.  


Brett C.

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> I've figured out how to create calendars, and add events to Calendars; 
> however all of my appointments are showing up in the canvass area. I've tried 
> to show the work calendar only, but my personal appointments are showing up 
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iCal question

2010-06-11 Thread Sarai Bucciarelli
Hi guys:
I've figured out how to create calendars, and add events to Calendars; however 
all of my appointments are showing up in the canvass area. I've tried to show 
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ical question: sending email to another person

2010-04-19 Thread Sarah Alawami
Ok this might be a stupid question alert but here goes.

I'm trying to, or wanting to send an email to someone else in my contacts from 
ical listening my events. Can this be done? I only saw mine I can forward it 
but tthat wold leave mor ework on my part and I might forget to do it.

Thanks.




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