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RIP AirPort? Apple may abandon wireless routers and Time Capsule

2016-11-21 Thread Dan D.




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Re: RIP AirPort? Apple may abandon wireless routers and Time Capsule

2016-11-22 Thread Krister Ekstrom

Uh oh, so what’s a good and accessible wireless router in case my old trusty 
Airport Extreme breaks down on me?
/Krister

> 21 nov. 2016 kl. 23:52 skrev Dan D. :
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Re: RIP AirPort? Apple may abandon wireless routers and Time Capsule

2016-11-22 Thread Kawal Gucukoglu

I like my Airport Extreme so if it breaks down I'm not sure what I'm going to 
do.  So I too will want to know a good reliable router if this breaks down.
> On 22 Nov 2016, at 09:26, Krister Ekstrom  wrote:
> 
> Uh oh, so what’s a good and accessible wireless router in case my old trusty 
> Airport Extreme breaks down on me?
> /Krister
> 
>> 21 nov. 2016 kl. 23:52 skrev Dan D. :
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Re: RIP AirPort? Apple may abandon wireless routers and Time Capsule

2016-11-22 Thread Kliphton Miller

Here is the one Scott recommends.  Says you get good range, and it is very 
secure.  On reading upon it, it also has a lot of forwarding features, and 
parental controls for those with kids.
https://www.amazon.com/NETGEAR-Nighthawk-X10-802-11ac-Quad-Stream/dp/B01M12RE4A/ref=cm_cd_al_qh_dp_t
 

enjoy!

> On Nov 22, 2016, at 5:06 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> I like my Airport Extreme so if it breaks down I'm not sure what I'm going to 
> do.  So I too will want to know a good reliable router if this breaks down.
>> On 22 Nov 2016, at 09:26, Krister Ekstrom  wrote:
>> 
>> Uh oh, so what’s a good and accessible wireless router in case my old trusty 
>> Airport Extreme breaks down on me?
>> /Krister
>> 
>>> 21 nov. 2016 kl. 23:52 skrev Dan D. :
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Re: RIP AirPort? Apple may abandon wireless routers and Time Capsule

2016-11-22 Thread E.T.


Kawal,
   I have been using this router for several months. If cost is a 
factor, this might be of interest.




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On 11/22/2016 2:06 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:

I like my Airport Extreme so if it breaks down I'm not sure what I'm going to 
do.  So I too will want to know a good reliable router if this breaks down.

On 22 Nov 2016, at 09:26, Krister Ekstrom  wrote:

Uh oh, so what’s a good and accessible wireless router in case my old trusty 
Airport Extreme breaks down on me?
/Krister


21 nov. 2016 kl. 23:52 skrev Dan D. :



http://www.macworld.com/article/3143604/hardware/rip-airport-apple-may-abandon-wireless-routers-and-time-capsule.html#tk.rss_all

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Re: RIP AirPort? Apple may abandon wireless routers and Time Capsule

2016-11-22 Thread Mary Otten

OK, I am curious. I have an airport extreme which is working fine, and I have 
to airport expresses connected to stereos because I have airplay and I love it. 
I know the AirPort Extreme is old, it doesn't even have AC, much less the one 
that comes after that. So here's the question. Where I could purchase one of 
these routers, could I still have my airport expresses like I do now? With that 
be a real pain in the you know what to set up? I know it won't be as easy as it 
was on the Mac with my airport extreme. But is it something you could do if you 
weren't a technical geek type?
Mary


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> On Nov 22, 2016, at 2:10 PM, Kliphton Miller  wrote:
> 
> Here is the one Scott recommends.  Says you get good range, and it is very 
> secure.  On reading upon it, it also has a lot of forwarding features, and 
> parental controls for those with kids.
> https://www.amazon.com/NETGEAR-Nighthawk-X10-802-11ac-Quad-Stream/dp/B01M12RE4A/ref=cm_cd_al_qh_dp_t
> enjoy!
> 
>>> On Nov 22, 2016, at 5:06 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I like my Airport Extreme so if it breaks down I'm not sure what I'm going 
>>> to do.  So I too will want to know a good reliable router if this breaks 
>>> down.
>>> On 22 Nov 2016, at 09:26, Krister Ekstrom  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Uh oh, so what’s a good and accessible wireless router in case my old 
>>> trusty Airport Extreme breaks down on me?
>>> /Krister
>>> 
 21 nov. 2016 kl. 23:52 skrev Dan D. :
 
 
 
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Re: RIP AirPort? Apple may abandon wireless routers and Time Capsule

2016-11-22 Thread Scott Granados

Mary, this is a very good question.  I have not tried this, I will set this up 
in my lab over the weekend and see what I can come up with in case nobody else 
responds in the mean time.

I would suspect it’s possible and quite easy but not having done it I want to 
try before I confirm.

> On Nov 22, 2016, at 5:47 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> OK, I am curious. I have an airport extreme which is working fine, and I have 
> to airport expresses connected to stereos because I have airplay and I love 
> it. I know the AirPort Extreme is old, it doesn't even have AC, much less the 
> one that comes after that. So here's the question. Where I could purchase one 
> of these routers, could I still have my airport expresses like I do now? With 
> that be a real pain in the you know what to set up? I know it won't be as 
> easy as it was on the Mac with my airport extreme. But is it something you 
> could do if you weren't a technical geek type?
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Nov 22, 2016, at 2:10 PM, Kliphton Miller  > wrote:
> 
>> Here is the one Scott recommends.  Says you get good range, and it is very 
>> secure.  On reading upon it, it also has a lot of forwarding features, and 
>> parental controls for those with kids.
>> https://www.amazon.com/NETGEAR-Nighthawk-X10-802-11ac-Quad-Stream/dp/B01M12RE4A/ref=cm_cd_al_qh_dp_t
>>  
>> 
>> enjoy!
>> 
>>> On Nov 22, 2016, at 5:06 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I like my Airport Extreme so if it breaks down I'm not sure what I'm going 
>>> to do.  So I too will want to know a good reliable router if this breaks 
>>> down.
 On 22 Nov 2016, at 09:26, Krister Ekstrom >>> > wrote:
 
 Uh oh, so what’s a good and accessible wireless router in case my old 
 trusty Airport Extreme breaks down on me?
 /Krister
 
> 21 nov. 2016 kl. 23:52 skrev Dan D.  >:
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.macworld.com/article/3143604/hardware/rip-airport-apple-may-abandon-wireless-routers-and-time-capsule.html#tk.rss_all
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Re: RIP AirPort? Apple may abandon wireless routers and Time Capsule

2016-11-22 Thread Mary Otten

OK, Scott. I await your results with interest.
Mary


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> On Nov 22, 2016, at 7:06 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Mary, this is a very good question.  I have not tried this, I will set this 
> up in my lab over the weekend and see what I can come up with in case nobody 
> else responds in the mean time.
> 
> I would suspect it’s possible and quite easy but not having done it I want to 
> try before I confirm.
> 
>> On Nov 22, 2016, at 5:47 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> OK, I am curious. I have an airport extreme which is working fine, and I 
>> have to airport expresses connected to stereos because I have airplay and I 
>> love it. I know the AirPort Extreme is old, it doesn't even have AC, much 
>> less the one that comes after that. So here's the question. Where I could 
>> purchase one of these routers, could I still have my airport expresses like 
>> I do now? With that be a real pain in the you know what to set up? I know it 
>> won't be as easy as it was on the Mac with my airport extreme. But is it 
>> something you could do if you weren't a technical geek type?
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Nov 22, 2016, at 2:10 PM, Kliphton Miller  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Here is the one Scott recommends.  Says you get good range, and it is very 
>>> secure.  On reading upon it, it also has a lot of forwarding features, and 
>>> parental controls for those with kids.
>>> https://www.amazon.com/NETGEAR-Nighthawk-X10-802-11ac-Quad-Stream/dp/B01M12RE4A/ref=cm_cd_al_qh_dp_t
>>> enjoy!
>>> 
> On Nov 22, 2016, at 5:06 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> I like my Airport Extreme so if it breaks down I'm not sure what I'm 
> going to do.  So I too will want to know a good reliable router if this 
> breaks down.
> On 22 Nov 2016, at 09:26, Krister Ekstrom  
> wrote:
> 
> Uh oh, so what’s a good and accessible wireless router in case my old 
> trusty Airport Extreme breaks down on me?
> /Krister
> 
>> 21 nov. 2016 kl. 23:52 skrev Dan D. :
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> http://www.macworld.com/article/3143604/hardware/rip-airport-apple-may-abandon-wireless-routers-and-time-capsule.html#tk.rss_all
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Re: RIP AirPort? Apple may abandon wireless routers and Time Capsule

2016-11-22 Thread Terje Strømberg

Wow, that router kicks ass. Only seen it on youtube, but will consider a 
purchase later down the road og the digital highway. Good tips Scott. Hit the 
subscribe and like button for this guy that have taken time to make at least 3 
video guides. Have only seen one video and a purchase will not happen before my 
Time Capsule runs to slow. Here is video 1:  
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xP61HmcVBJQ

Take care 


> 23. nov. 2016 kl. 04.30 skrev Mary Otten :
> 
> OK, Scott. I await your results with interest.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Nov 22, 2016, at 7:06 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
>> Mary, this is a very good question.  I have not tried this, I will set this 
>> up in my lab over the weekend and see what I can come up with in case nobody 
>> else responds in the mean time.
>> 
>> I would suspect it’s possible and quite easy but not having done it I want 
>> to try before I confirm.
>> 
>>> On Nov 22, 2016, at 5:47 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> OK, I am curious. I have an airport extreme which is working fine, and I 
>>> have to airport expresses connected to stereos because I have airplay and I 
>>> love it. I know the AirPort Extreme is old, it doesn't even have AC, much 
>>> less the one that comes after that. So here's the question. Where I could 
>>> purchase one of these routers, could I still have my airport expresses like 
>>> I do now? With that be a real pain in the you know what to set up? I know 
>>> it won't be as easy as it was on the Mac with my airport extreme. But is it 
>>> something you could do if you weren't a technical geek type?
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Nov 22, 2016, at 2:10 PM, Kliphton Miller  wrote:
>>> 
 Here is the one Scott recommends.  Says you get good range, and it is very 
 secure.  On reading upon it, it also has a lot of forwarding features, and 
 parental controls for those with kids.
 https://www.amazon.com/NETGEAR-Nighthawk-X10-802-11ac-Quad-Stream/dp/B01M12RE4A/ref=cm_cd_al_qh_dp_t
 enjoy!
 
> On Nov 22, 2016, at 5:06 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
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> I like my Airport Extreme so if it breaks down I'm not sure what I'm 
> going to do.  So I too will want to know a good reliable router if this 
> breaks down.
>> On 22 Nov 2016, at 09:26, Krister Ekstrom  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Uh oh, so what’s a good and accessible wireless router in case my old 
>> trusty Airport Extreme breaks down on me?
>> /Krister
>> 
>>> 21 nov. 2016 kl. 23:52 skrev Dan D. :
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> http://www.macworld.com/article/3143604/hardware/rip-airport-apple-may-abandon-wireless-routers-and-time-capsule.html#tk.rss_all
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Re: RIP AirPort? Apple may abandon wireless routers and Time Capsule

2016-11-23 Thread 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries

It's a couple years old now, but I regard the Linksys WRT1900AC as still
a top choice, but not for its native software because It's not all that
accessible. This router runs OpenWRT brilliantly, and OpenWRT is fully
accessible.

http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/linksys/wrt_ac_series


PS: I have no personal experience of any of Linksys' more recent
variants.

Just my preference. This is not an out of the box solution. There's some
assembly required, as the old saying goes.

Janina


Kawal Gucukoglu writes:
> I like my Airport Extreme so if it breaks down I'm not sure what I'm going to 
> do.  So I too will want to know a good reliable router if this breaks down.
> > On 22 Nov 2016, at 09:26, Krister Ekstrom  wrote:
> > 
> > Uh oh, so what’s a good and accessible wireless router in case my old 
> > trusty Airport Extreme breaks down on me?
> > /Krister
> > 
> >> 21 nov. 2016 kl. 23:52 skrev Dan D. :
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> http://www.macworld.com/article/3143604/hardware/rip-airport-apple-may-abandon-wireless-routers-and-time-capsule.html#tk.rss_all
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Re: RIP AirPort? Apple may abandon wireless routers and Time Capsule

2016-11-23 Thread Scott Granados

Hi Janina, I thought like most Cisco products the links’s devices had poor 
forwarding rates.  In other words, they only forward at a third to a half of 
the line rate.  Has this changed in more recent years or does WRT also help to 
address this with better more optimized software?

Thanks
Scott

> On Nov 23, 2016, at 2:23 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> It's a couple years old now, but I regard the Linksys WRT1900AC as still
> a top choice, but not for its native software because It's not all that
> accessible. This router runs OpenWRT brilliantly, and OpenWRT is fully
> accessible.
> 
> http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/linksys/wrt_ac_series
> 
> 
> PS: I have no personal experience of any of Linksys' more recent
> variants.
> 
> Just my preference. This is not an out of the box solution. There's some
> assembly required, as the old saying goes.
> 
> Janina
> 
> 
> Kawal Gucukoglu writes:
>> I like my Airport Extreme so if it breaks down I'm not sure what I'm going 
>> to do.  So I too will want to know a good reliable router if this breaks 
>> down.
>>> On 22 Nov 2016, at 09:26, Krister Ekstrom  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Uh oh, so what’s a good and accessible wireless router in case my old 
>>> trusty Airport Extreme breaks down on me?
>>> /Krister
>>> 
 21 nov. 2016 kl. 23:52 skrev Dan D. :
 
 
 
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Re: RIP AirPort? Apple may abandon wireless routers and Time Capsule

2016-11-24 Thread Tim Kilburn

Scott,

I'd be interested in your results as well.  I've connected Airport Expresses 
via ethernet to other networks and the Airplay feature remains as easy as ever. 
 I don't have any non-Apple Home routers though to test with to see if WDS or 
whatever the newest connection method is, will work.  Everything at work is 
enterprise stuff so no real method of playing around with this sort of thing.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Nov 22, 2016, at 20:06, Scott Granados  wrote:

Mary, this is a very good question.  I have not tried this, I will set this up 
in my lab over the weekend and see what I can come up with in case nobody else 
responds in the mean time.

I would suspect it’s possible and quite easy but not having done it I want to 
try before I confirm.

> On Nov 22, 2016, at 5:47 PM, Mary Otten  > wrote:
> 
> OK, I am curious. I have an airport extreme which is working fine, and I have 
> to airport expresses connected to stereos because I have airplay and I love 
> it. I know the AirPort Extreme is old, it doesn't even have AC, much less the 
> one that comes after that. So here's the question. Where I could purchase one 
> of these routers, could I still have my airport expresses like I do now? With 
> that be a real pain in the you know what to set up? I know it won't be as 
> easy as it was on the Mac with my airport extreme. But is it something you 
> could do if you weren't a technical geek type?
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Nov 22, 2016, at 2:10 PM, Kliphton Miller  > wrote:
> 
>> Here is the one Scott recommends.  Says you get good range, and it is very 
>> secure.  On reading upon it, it also has a lot of forwarding features, and 
>> parental controls for those with kids.
>> https://www.amazon.com/NETGEAR-Nighthawk-X10-802-11ac-Quad-Stream/dp/B01M12RE4A/ref=cm_cd_al_qh_dp_t
>>  
>> 
>> enjoy!
>> 
>>> On Nov 22, 2016, at 5:06 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I like my Airport Extreme so if it breaks down I'm not sure what I'm going 
>>> to do.  So I too will want to know a good reliable router if this breaks 
>>> down.
 On 22 Nov 2016, at 09:26, Krister Ekstrom >>> > wrote:
 
 Uh oh, so what’s a good and accessible wireless router in case my old 
 trusty Airport Extreme breaks down on me?
 /Krister
 
> 21 nov. 2016 kl. 23:52 skrev Dan D.  >:
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.macworld.com/article/3143604/hardware/rip-airport-apple-may-abandon-wireless-routers-and-time-capsule.html#tk.rss_all
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Re: RIP AirPort? Apple may abandon wireless routers and Time Capsule

2016-11-24 Thread Erik Burggraaf


Hi Scott,

I have used  four or five models of WRT family for about 10 years, 
recommended them nearly  wholesale to customers, and never experienced any 
issue where trafic on forwarded ports would be comparatively slower than 
trafic taking place on a direct connection with no router at all.  This may 
be partly due to the fact that 5 to 15 mbps for residential internet  is 
still the gold standard of price vs performance in Canada.  If we were in 
any way competative in this area, perhapse the difference would be more 
measurable, but I doubt that it would come down to 1/3 of total capacity.


Best,

Erik

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On November 23, 2016 7:41:43 PM Scott Granados  
wrote:


Hi Janina, I thought like most Cisco products the links’s devices had poor 
forwarding rates.  In other words, they only forward at a third to a half 
of the line rate.  Has this changed in more recent years or does WRT also 
help to address this with better more optimized software?


Thanks
Scott

On Nov 23, 2016, at 2:23 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:


It's a couple years old now, but I regard the Linksys WRT1900AC as still
a top choice, but not for its native software because It's not all that
accessible. This router runs OpenWRT brilliantly, and OpenWRT is fully
accessible.

http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/linksys/wrt_ac_series


PS: I have no personal experience of any of Linksys' more recent
variants.

Just my preference. This is not an out of the box solution. There's some
assembly required, as the old saying goes.

Janina


Kawal Gucukoglu writes:
I like my Airport Extreme so if it breaks down I'm not sure what I'm going 
to do.  So I too will want to know a good reliable router if this breaks down.

On 22 Nov 2016, at 09:26, Krister Ekstrom  wrote:

Uh oh, so what’s a good and accessible wireless router in case my old 
trusty Airport Extreme breaks down on me?

/Krister


21 nov. 2016 kl. 23:52 skrev Dan D. :



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Re: RIP AirPort? Apple may abandon wireless routers and Time Capsule

2016-11-24 Thread Anders Holmberg

Hi!
I think you can but i am not sure.
My Airport extreme is the newer one with ac support and i’ll definitly keep it 
as long as it lives.
/A
> 23 nov. 2016 kl. 04:30 skrev Mary Otten :
> 
> OK, Scott. I await your results with interest.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Nov 22, 2016, at 7:06 PM, Scott Granados  > wrote:
> 
>> Mary, this is a very good question.  I have not tried this, I will set this 
>> up in my lab over the weekend and see what I can come up with in case nobody 
>> else responds in the mean time.
>> 
>> I would suspect it’s possible and quite easy but not having done it I want 
>> to try before I confirm.
>> 
>>> On Nov 22, 2016, at 5:47 PM, Mary Otten >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> OK, I am curious. I have an airport extreme which is working fine, and I 
>>> have to airport expresses connected to stereos because I have airplay and I 
>>> love it. I know the AirPort Extreme is old, it doesn't even have AC, much 
>>> less the one that comes after that. So here's the question. Where I could 
>>> purchase one of these routers, could I still have my airport expresses like 
>>> I do now? With that be a real pain in the you know what to set up? I know 
>>> it won't be as easy as it was on the Mac with my airport extreme. But is it 
>>> something you could do if you weren't a technical geek type?
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Nov 22, 2016, at 2:10 PM, Kliphton Miller >> > wrote:
>>> 
 Here is the one Scott recommends.  Says you get good range, and it is very 
 secure.  On reading upon it, it also has a lot of forwarding features, and 
 parental controls for those with kids.
 https://www.amazon.com/NETGEAR-Nighthawk-X10-802-11ac-Quad-Stream/dp/B01M12RE4A/ref=cm_cd_al_qh_dp_t
  
 
 enjoy!
 
> On Nov 22, 2016, at 5:06 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  > wrote:
> 
> I like my Airport Extreme so if it breaks down I'm not sure what I'm 
> going to do.  So I too will want to know a good reliable router if this 
> breaks down.
>> On 22 Nov 2016, at 09:26, Krister Ekstrom > > wrote:
>> 
>> Uh oh, so what’s a good and accessible wireless router in case my old 
>> trusty Airport Extreme breaks down on me?
>> /Krister
>> 
>>> 21 nov. 2016 kl. 23:52 skrev Dan D. >> >:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> http://www.macworld.com/article/3143604/hardware/rip-airport-apple-may-abandon-wireless-routers-and-time-capsule.html#tk.rss_all
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: RIP AirPort? Apple may abandon wireless routers and Time Capsule

2016-11-24 Thread Scott Granados

I’ve never been able to push more than 18 megabits through any of the WRT 
routers I’ve tried but honestly I jumped off their band wagon once Cisco bought 
them.  This is a huge issue in Cisco gear and has been for their entire life.  
They are known for not providing wire speed solutions.  I would be hesitant to 
try one on my 500 megabit service but even an airport doesn’t quite saturate 
that link.  I use the provided ActionTech router that FIOS offers and then use 
the airports as access points only.  I’ve never gotten a Linksys though to even 
break the 20 megabit mark reliably and that’s on the wired connection let alone 
the WiFi which slows even further.  I’m hoping though this may have changed 
because in principle I like their gear because you can flash different firmware 
on them.  DDWRT and Tomato are very feature packed.

> On Nov 24, 2016, at 9:22 AM, Erik Burggraaf  wrote:
> 
> Hi Scott,
> 
> I have used  four or five models of WRT family for about 10 years, 
> recommended them nearly  wholesale to customers, and never experienced any 
> issue where trafic on forwarded ports would be comparatively slower than 
> trafic taking place on a direct connection with no router at all.  This may 
> be partly due to the fact that 5 to 15 mbps for residential internet  is 
> still the gold standard of price vs performance in Canada.  If we were in any 
> way competative in this area, perhapse the difference would be more 
> measurable, but I doubt that it would come down to 1/3 of total capacity.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Erik
> 
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> 
> 
> On November 23, 2016 7:41:43 PM Scott Granados  
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Janina, I thought like most Cisco products the links’s devices had poor 
>> forwarding rates.  In other words, they only forward at a third to a half of 
>> the line rate.  Has this changed in more recent years or does WRT also help 
>> to address this with better more optimized software?
>> 
>> Thanks
>> Scott
>> 
>>> On Nov 23, 2016, at 2:23 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> It's a couple years old now, but I regard the Linksys WRT1900AC as still
>>> a top choice, but not for its native software because It's not all that
>>> accessible. This router runs OpenWRT brilliantly, and OpenWRT is fully
>>> accessible.
>>> 
>>> http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/linksys/wrt_ac_series
>>> 
>>> 
>>> PS: I have no personal experience of any of Linksys' more recent
>>> variants.
>>> 
>>> Just my preference. This is not an out of the box solution. There's some
>>> assembly required, as the old saying goes.
>>> 
>>> Janina
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Kawal Gucukoglu writes:
 I like my Airport Extreme so if it breaks down I'm not sure what I'm going 
 to do.  So I too will want to know a good reliable router if this breaks 
 down.
> On 22 Nov 2016, at 09:26, Krister Ekstrom  
> wrote:
> 
> Uh oh, so what’s a good and accessible wireless router in case my old 
> trusty Airport Extreme breaks down on me?
> /Krister
> 
>> 21 nov. 2016 kl. 23:52 skrev Dan D. :
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> http://www.macworld.com/article/3143604/hardware/rip-airport-apple-may-abandon-wireless-routers-and-time-capsule.html#tk.rss_all
>> 
>> XB
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Re: RIP AirPort? Apple may abandon wireless routers and Time Capsule

2016-11-24 Thread Scott Granados

I have not gotten it to work but I plan on spending more time on this tomorrow. 
 I am trying to connect an AirPort Extreme to an actiontech but so far no joy.  
It’s very likely the guy on this side of the keyboard though so far.   Will 
update as I continue experimenting.  
> On Nov 24, 2016, at 9:16 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Scott,
> 
> I'd be interested in your results as well.  I've connected Airport Expresses 
> via ethernet to other networks and the Airplay feature remains as easy as 
> ever.  I don't have any non-Apple Home routers though to test with to see if 
> WDS or whatever the newest connection method is, will work.  Everything at 
> work is enterprise stuff so no real method of playing around with this sort 
> of thing.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Nov 22, 2016, at 20:06, Scott Granados  > wrote:
> 
> Mary, this is a very good question.  I have not tried this, I will set this 
> up in my lab over the weekend and see what I can come up with in case nobody 
> else responds in the mean time.
> 
> I would suspect it’s possible and quite easy but not having done it I want to 
> try before I confirm.
> 
>> On Nov 22, 2016, at 5:47 PM, Mary Otten > > wrote:
>> 
>> OK, I am curious. I have an airport extreme which is working fine, and I 
>> have to airport expresses connected to stereos because I have airplay and I 
>> love it. I know the AirPort Extreme is old, it doesn't even have AC, much 
>> less the one that comes after that. So here's the question. Where I could 
>> purchase one of these routers, could I still have my airport expresses like 
>> I do now? With that be a real pain in the you know what to set up? I know it 
>> won't be as easy as it was on the Mac with my airport extreme. But is it 
>> something you could do if you weren't a technical geek type?
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Nov 22, 2016, at 2:10 PM, Kliphton Miller > > wrote:
>> 
>>> Here is the one Scott recommends.  Says you get good range, and it is very 
>>> secure.  On reading upon it, it also has a lot of forwarding features, and 
>>> parental controls for those with kids.
>>> https://www.amazon.com/NETGEAR-Nighthawk-X10-802-11ac-Quad-Stream/dp/B01M12RE4A/ref=cm_cd_al_qh_dp_t
>>>  
>>> 
>>> enjoy!
>>> 
 On Nov 22, 2016, at 5:06 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu >>> > wrote:
 
 I like my Airport Extreme so if it breaks down I'm not sure what I'm going 
 to do.  So I too will want to know a good reliable router if this breaks 
 down.
> On 22 Nov 2016, at 09:26, Krister Ekstrom  > wrote:
> 
> Uh oh, so what’s a good and accessible wireless router in case my old 
> trusty Airport Extreme breaks down on me?
> /Krister
> 
>> 21 nov. 2016 kl. 23:52 skrev Dan D. > >:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> http://www.macworld.com/article/3143604/hardware/rip-airport-apple-may-abandon-wireless-routers-and-time-capsule.html#tk.rss_all
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> XB
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Re: RIP AirPort? Apple may abandon wireless routers and Time Capsule

2016-11-24 Thread Mary Otten

I am jealous of you people with Fios.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 24, 2016, at 3:24 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> I’ve never been able to push more than 18 megabits through any of the WRT 
> routers I’ve tried but honestly I jumped off their band wagon once Cisco 
> bought them.  This is a huge issue in Cisco gear and has been for their 
> entire life.  They are known for not providing wire speed solutions.  I would 
> be hesitant to try one on my 500 megabit service but even an airport doesn’t 
> quite saturate that link.  I use the provided ActionTech router that FIOS 
> offers and then use the airports as access points only.  I’ve never gotten a 
> Linksys though to even break the 20 megabit mark reliably and that’s on the 
> wired connection let alone the WiFi which slows even further.  I’m hoping 
> though this may have changed because in principle I like their gear because 
> you can flash different firmware on them.  DDWRT and Tomato are very feature 
> packed.
> 
>> On Nov 24, 2016, at 9:22 AM, Erik Burggraaf  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Scott,
>> 
>> I have used  four or five models of WRT family for about 10 years, 
>> recommended them nearly  wholesale to customers, and never experienced any 
>> issue where trafic on forwarded ports would be comparatively slower than 
>> trafic taking place on a direct connection with no router at all.  This may 
>> be partly due to the fact that 5 to 15 mbps for residential internet  is 
>> still the gold standard of price vs performance in Canada.  If we were in 
>> any way competative in this area, perhapse the difference would be more 
>> measurable, but I doubt that it would come down to 1/3 of total capacity.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Erik
>> 
>> Sent with AquaMail for Android
>> http://www.aqua-mail.com
>> 
>> 
>>> On November 23, 2016 7:41:43 PM Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Janina, I thought like most Cisco products the links’s devices had poor 
>>> forwarding rates.  In other words, they only forward at a third to a half 
>>> of the line rate.  Has this changed in more recent years or does WRT also 
>>> help to address this with better more optimized software?
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> Scott
>>> 
 On Nov 23, 2016, at 2:23 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 It's a couple years old now, but I regard the Linksys WRT1900AC as still
 a top choice, but not for its native software because It's not all that
 accessible. This router runs OpenWRT brilliantly, and OpenWRT is fully
 accessible.
 
 http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/linksys/wrt_ac_series
 
 
 PS: I have no personal experience of any of Linksys' more recent
 variants.
 
 Just my preference. This is not an out of the box solution. There's some
 assembly required, as the old saying goes.
 
 Janina
 
 
 Kawal Gucukoglu writes:
> I like my Airport Extreme so if it breaks down I'm not sure what I'm 
> going to do.  So I too will want to know a good reliable router if this 
> breaks down.
>> On 22 Nov 2016, at 09:26, Krister Ekstrom  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Uh oh, so what’s a good and accessible wireless router in case my old 
>> trusty Airport Extreme breaks down on me?
>> /Krister
>> 
>>> 21 nov. 2016 kl. 23:52 skrev Dan D. :
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> http://www.macworld.com/article/3143604/hardware/rip-airport-apple-may-abandon-wireless-routers-and-time-capsule.html#tk.rss_all
>>> 
>>> XB
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Re: RIP AirPort? Apple may abandon wireless routers and Time Capsule

2016-11-24 Thread Scott Granados

It’s really fantastic other than they don’t support IPV6 yet in my area.  
Otherwise it’s the best home service I’ve ever had.  With the quantum service 
you get up to 500 megabits (last I look it might even be more), you can record 
up to 12 shows at a time and have hundreds of hours of record time.  Plus you 
can pause live TV, you can be watching a show from the middle press a key and 
it records or starts over from the top, the audio is stunning and I understand 
the video is fantastic.  You can also DVR something in one room and have it 
follow you to another and the DVR data is stored in the cloud so no annoying 
loud hard drive spinning in your box.  You also get the total amount of record 
time per box not as an aggregate.  On the internet side you get an equal amount 
of data down as you do up which makes a huge difference.  I can publish 4K 
videos in seconds.
Comcast is about to launch some gigabit service if they haven’t so I 
expect an increase in speed on the FIOS side soon as well.  I know they tested 
10G near me in Framingham Mass but I can’t imagine the bill for that level of 
service.  It’s good though.  Verizon has a very good home service.

> On Nov 24, 2016, at 7:11 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> I am jealous of you people with Fios.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 24, 2016, at 3:24 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> I’ve never been able to push more than 18 megabits through any of the WRT 
>> routers I’ve tried but honestly I jumped off their band wagon once Cisco 
>> bought them.  This is a huge issue in Cisco gear and has been for their 
>> entire life.  They are known for not providing wire speed solutions.  I 
>> would be hesitant to try one on my 500 megabit service but even an airport 
>> doesn’t quite saturate that link.  I use the provided ActionTech router that 
>> FIOS offers and then use the airports as access points only.  I’ve never 
>> gotten a Linksys though to even break the 20 megabit mark reliably and 
>> that’s on the wired connection let alone the WiFi which slows even further.  
>> I’m hoping though this may have changed because in principle I like their 
>> gear because you can flash different firmware on them.  DDWRT and Tomato are 
>> very feature packed.
>> 
>>> On Nov 24, 2016, at 9:22 AM, Erik Burggraaf  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Scott,
>>> 
>>> I have used  four or five models of WRT family for about 10 years, 
>>> recommended them nearly  wholesale to customers, and never experienced any 
>>> issue where trafic on forwarded ports would be comparatively slower than 
>>> trafic taking place on a direct connection with no router at all.  This may 
>>> be partly due to the fact that 5 to 15 mbps for residential internet  is 
>>> still the gold standard of price vs performance in Canada.  If we were in 
>>> any way competative in this area, perhapse the difference would be more 
>>> measurable, but I doubt that it would come down to 1/3 of total capacity.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> Erik
>>> 
>>> Sent with AquaMail for Android
>>> http://www.aqua-mail.com
>>> 
>>> 
 On November 23, 2016 7:41:43 PM Scott Granados  
 wrote:

 Hi Janina, I thought like most Cisco products the links’s devices had poor 
 forwarding rates.  In other words, they only forward at a third to a half 
 of the line rate.  Has this changed in more recent years or does WRT also 
 help to address this with better more optimized software?

 Thanks
 Scott

> On Nov 23, 2016, at 2:23 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> It's a couple years old now, but I regard the Linksys WRT1900AC as still
> a top choice, but not for its native software because It's not all that
> accessible. This router runs OpenWRT brilliantly, and OpenWRT is fully
> accessible.
> 
> http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/linksys/wrt_ac_series
> 
> 
> PS: I have no personal experience of any of Linksys' more recent
> variants.
> 
> Just my preference. This is not an out of the box solution. There's some
> assembly required, as the old saying goes.
> 
> Janina
> 
> 
> Kawal Gucukoglu writes:
>> I like my Airport Extreme so if it breaks down I'm not sure what I'm 
>> going to do.  So I too will want to know a good reliable router if this 
>> breaks down.
>>> On 22 Nov 2016, at 09:26, Krister Ekstrom  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Uh oh, so what’s a good and accessible wireless router in case my old 
>>> trusty Airport Extreme breaks down on me?
>>> /Krister
>>> 
 21 nov. 2016 kl. 23:52 skrev Dan D. :

 http://www.macworld.com/article/3143604/hardware/rip-airport-apple-may-abandon-wireless-routers-and-time-capsule.html#tk.rss_all

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Re: RIP AirPort? Apple may abandon wireless routers and Time Capsule

2016-11-24 Thread Mary Otten

You East Coast guys get the good stuff. Out here in the wilds of Oregon, we get 
well I won't say it because this is a family list.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 24, 2016, at 4:21 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> It’s really fantastic other than they don’t support IPV6 yet in my area.  
> Otherwise it’s the best home service I’ve ever had.  With the quantum service 
> you get up to 500 megabits (last I look it might even be more), you can 
> record up to 12 shows at a time and have hundreds of hours of record time.  
> Plus you can pause live TV, you can be watching a show from the middle press 
> a key and it records or starts over from the top, the audio is stunning and I 
> understand the video is fantastic.  You can also DVR something in one room 
> and have it follow you to another and the DVR data is stored in the cloud so 
> no annoying loud hard drive spinning in your box.  You also get the total 
> amount of record time per box not as an aggregate.  On the internet side you 
> get an equal amount of data down as you do up which makes a huge difference.  
> I can publish 4K videos in seconds.
>Comcast is about to launch some gigabit service if they haven’t so I 
> expect an increase in speed on the FIOS side soon as well.  I know they 
> tested 10G near me in Framingham Mass but I can’t imagine the bill for that 
> level of service.  It’s good though.  Verizon has a very good home service.
> 
> 
>> On Nov 24, 2016, at 7:11 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> I am jealous of you people with Fios.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Nov 24, 2016, at 3:24 PM, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I’ve never been able to push more than 18 megabits through any of the WRT 
>>> routers I’ve tried but honestly I jumped off their band wagon once Cisco 
>>> bought them.  This is a huge issue in Cisco gear and has been for their 
>>> entire life.  They are known for not providing wire speed solutions.  I 
>>> would be hesitant to try one on my 500 megabit service but even an airport 
>>> doesn’t quite saturate that link.  I use the provided ActionTech router 
>>> that FIOS offers and then use the airports as access points only.  I’ve 
>>> never gotten a Linksys though to even break the 20 megabit mark reliably 
>>> and that’s on the wired connection let alone the WiFi which slows even 
>>> further.  I’m hoping though this may have changed because in principle I 
>>> like their gear because you can flash different firmware on them.  DDWRT 
>>> and Tomato are very feature packed.
>>> 
 On Nov 24, 2016, at 9:22 AM, Erik Burggraaf  
 wrote:
 
 Hi Scott,
 
 I have used  four or five models of WRT family for about 10 years, 
 recommended them nearly  wholesale to customers, and never experienced any 
 issue where trafic on forwarded ports would be comparatively slower than 
 trafic taking place on a direct connection with no router at all.  This 
 may be partly due to the fact that 5 to 15 mbps for residential internet  
 is still the gold standard of price vs performance in Canada.  If we were 
 in any way competative in this area, perhapse the difference would be more 
 measurable, but I doubt that it would come down to 1/3 of total capacity.
 
 Best,
 
 Erik
 
 Sent with AquaMail for Android
 http://www.aqua-mail.com
 
 
> On November 23, 2016 7:41:43 PM Scott Granados  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Janina, I thought like most Cisco products the links’s devices had 
> poor forwarding rates.  In other words, they only forward at a third to a 
> half of the line rate.  Has this changed in more recent years or does WRT 
> also help to address this with better more optimized software?
> 
> Thanks
> Scott
> 
>> On Nov 23, 2016, at 2:23 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> It's a couple years old now, but I regard the Linksys WRT1900AC as still
>> a top choice, but not for its native software because It's not all that
>> accessible. This router runs OpenWRT brilliantly, and OpenWRT is fully
>> accessible.
>> 
>> http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/linksys/wrt_ac_series
>> 
>> 
>> PS: I have no personal experience of any of Linksys' more recent
>> variants.
>> 
>> Just my preference. This is not an out of the box solution. There's some
>> assembly required, as the old saying goes.
>> 
>> Janina
>> 
>> 
>> Kawal Gucukoglu writes:
>>> I like my Airport Extreme so if it breaks down I'm not sure what I'm 
>>> going to do.  So I too will want to know a good reliable router if this 
>>> breaks down.
 On 22 Nov 2016, at 09:26, Krister Ekstrom  
 wrote:
 
 Uh oh, so what’s a good and accessible wireless router in case my old 
 trusty Airport Extreme breaks down on me?
 /Krister
 
> 21 nov. 2016 kl. 23:52 skrev Dan D. :

Re: RIP AirPort? Apple may abandon wireless routers and Time Capsule

2016-11-25 Thread Jonathan Cohn

On the down side they still have not enabled the required talking menus like 
Comcast. ComCast has certainly supported the disabled and the veterans,  
Best wishes,

Jonathan



> On Nov 24, 2016, at 7:21 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> It’s really fantastic other than they don’t support IPV6 yet in my area.  
> Otherwise it’s the best home service I’ve ever had.  With the quantum service 
> you get up to 500 megabits (last I look it might even be more), you can 
> record up to 12 shows at a time and have hundreds of hours of record time.  
> Plus you can pause live TV, you can be watching a show from the middle press 
> a key and it records or starts over from the top, the audio is stunning and I 
> understand the video is fantastic.  You can also DVR something in one room 
> and have it follow you to another and the DVR data is stored in the cloud so 
> no annoying loud hard drive spinning in your box.  You also get the total 
> amount of record time per box not as an aggregate.  On the internet side you 
> get an equal amount of data down as you do up which makes a huge difference.  
> I can publish 4K videos in seconds.
>   Comcast is about to launch some gigabit service if they haven’t so I 
> expect an increase in speed on the FIOS side soon as well.  I know they 
> tested 10G near me in Framingham Mass but I can’t imagine the bill for that 
> level of service.  It’s good though.  Verizon has a very good home service.
> 
> 
>> On Nov 24, 2016, at 7:11 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> I am jealous of you people with Fios.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Nov 24, 2016, at 3:24 PM, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I’ve never been able to push more than 18 megabits through any of the WRT 
>>> routers I’ve tried but honestly I jumped off their band wagon once Cisco 
>>> bought them.  This is a huge issue in Cisco gear and has been for their 
>>> entire life.  They are known for not providing wire speed solutions.  I 
>>> would be hesitant to try one on my 500 megabit service but even an airport 
>>> doesn’t quite saturate that link.  I use the provided ActionTech router 
>>> that FIOS offers and then use the airports as access points only.  I’ve 
>>> never gotten a Linksys though to even break the 20 megabit mark reliably 
>>> and that’s on the wired connection let alone the WiFi which slows even 
>>> further.  I’m hoping though this may have changed because in principle I 
>>> like their gear because you can flash different firmware on them.  DDWRT 
>>> and Tomato are very feature packed.
>>> 
 On Nov 24, 2016, at 9:22 AM, Erik Burggraaf  
 wrote:
 
 Hi Scott,
 
 I have used  four or five models of WRT family for about 10 years, 
 recommended them nearly  wholesale to customers, and never experienced any 
 issue where trafic on forwarded ports would be comparatively slower than 
 trafic taking place on a direct connection with no router at all.  This 
 may be partly due to the fact that 5 to 15 mbps for residential internet  
 is still the gold standard of price vs performance in Canada.  If we were 
 in any way competative in this area, perhapse the difference would be more 
 measurable, but I doubt that it would come down to 1/3 of total capacity.
 
 Best,
 
 Erik
 
 Sent with AquaMail for Android
 http://www.aqua-mail.com
 
 
> On November 23, 2016 7:41:43 PM Scott Granados  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Janina, I thought like most Cisco products the links’s devices had 
> poor forwarding rates.  In other words, they only forward at a third to a 
> half of the line rate.  Has this changed in more recent years or does WRT 
> also help to address this with better more optimized software?
> 
> Thanks
> Scott
> 
>> On Nov 23, 2016, at 2:23 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> It's a couple years old now, but I regard the Linksys WRT1900AC as still
>> a top choice, but not for its native software because It's not all that
>> accessible. This router runs OpenWRT brilliantly, and OpenWRT is fully
>> accessible.
>> 
>> http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/linksys/wrt_ac_series
>> 
>> 
>> PS: I have no personal experience of any of Linksys' more recent
>> variants.
>> 
>> Just my preference. This is not an out of the box solution. There's some
>> assembly required, as the old saying goes.
>> 
>> Janina
>> 
>> 
>> Kawal Gucukoglu writes:
>>> I like my Airport Extreme so if it breaks down I'm not sure what I'm 
>>> going to do.  So I too will want to know a good reliable router if this 
>>> breaks down.
 On 22 Nov 2016, at 09:26, Krister Ekstrom  
 wrote:
 
 Uh oh, so what’s a good and accessible wireless router in case my old 
 trusty Airport Extreme breaks down on me?
 /Krister
 
> 21 no

Re: RIP AirPort? Apple may abandon wireless routers and Time Capsule

2016-11-25 Thread Scott Granados

They have that’s true and Comcast does have the talking menus but on the down 
side, you’re on the Comcast network.  The HD performance is shameful and over 
compressed, the DVR is not nearly as feature packed and you do not have 
equivalent upload and download speeds.  You’re also on some shared facilities 
on the last mile.  But your points are good ones they are good to veterans 
which is very important although Verizon seemed to be as well from what I saw 
on the wireless side and Comcast does have talking boxes which does help.  

Speaking of Veterans I used to work with Bill Clinton’s White House switch 
operator.:). They put a lot of marines in networking and telecommunications.

> On Nov 25, 2016, at 8:26 AM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> On the down side they still have not enabled the required talking menus like 
> Comcast. ComCast has certainly supported the disabled and the veterans,  
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan
> 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 24, 2016, at 7:21 PM, Scott Granados > > wrote:
>> 
>> It’s really fantastic other than they don’t support IPV6 yet in my area.  
>> Otherwise it’s the best home service I’ve ever had.  With the quantum 
>> service you get up to 500 megabits (last I look it might even be more), you 
>> can record up to 12 shows at a time and have hundreds of hours of record 
>> time.  Plus you can pause live TV, you can be watching a show from the 
>> middle press a key and it records or starts over from the top, the audio is 
>> stunning and I understand the video is fantastic.  You can also DVR 
>> something in one room and have it follow you to another and the DVR data is 
>> stored in the cloud so no annoying loud hard drive spinning in your box.  
>> You also get the total amount of record time per box not as an aggregate.  
>> On the internet side you get an equal amount of data down as you do up which 
>> makes a huge difference.  I can publish 4K videos in seconds.
>>  Comcast is about to launch some gigabit service if they haven’t so I 
>> expect an increase in speed on the FIOS side soon as well.  I know they 
>> tested 10G near me in Framingham Mass but I can’t imagine the bill for that 
>> level of service.  It’s good though.  Verizon has a very good home service.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 24, 2016, at 7:11 PM, Mary Otten >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I am jealous of you people with Fios.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Nov 24, 2016, at 3:24 PM, Scott Granados >>> > wrote:

 I’ve never been able to push more than 18 megabits through any of the WRT 
 routers I’ve tried but honestly I jumped off their band wagon once Cisco 
 bought them.  This is a huge issue in Cisco gear and has been for their 
 entire life.  They are known for not providing wire speed solutions.  I 
 would be hesitant to try one on my 500 megabit service but even an airport 
 doesn’t quite saturate that link.  I use the provided ActionTech router 
 that FIOS offers and then use the airports as access points only.  I’ve 
 never gotten a Linksys though to even break the 20 megabit mark reliably 
 and that’s on the wired connection let alone the WiFi which slows even 
 further.  I’m hoping though this may have changed because in principle I 
 like their gear because you can flash different firmware on them.  DDWRT 
 and Tomato are very feature packed.

> On Nov 24, 2016, at 9:22 AM, Erik Burggraaf  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Scott,
> 
> I have used  four or five models of WRT family for about 10 years, 
> recommended them nearly  wholesale to customers, and never experienced 
> any issue where trafic on forwarded ports would be comparatively slower 
> than trafic taking place on a direct connection with no router at all.  
> This may be partly due to the fact that 5 to 15 mbps for residential 
> internet  is still the gold standard of price vs performance in Canada.  
> If we were in any way competative in this area, perhapse the difference 
> would be more measurable, but I doubt that it would come down to 1/3 of 
> total capacity.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Erik
> 
> Sent with AquaMail for Android
> http://www.aqua-mail.com 
> 
> 
>> On November 23, 2016 7:41:43 PM Scott Granados 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Janina, I thought like most Cisco products the links’s devices had 
>> poor forwarding rates.  In other words, they only forward at a third to 
>> a half of the line rate.  Has this changed in more recent years or does 
>> WRT also help to address this with better more optimized software?
>> 
>> Thanks
>> Scott
>> 
>>> On Nov 23, 2016, at 2:23 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> It's a couple years old now, but I regard the Li

Re: RIP AirPort? Apple may abandon wireless routers and Time Capsule

2016-11-25 Thread Mary Otten

True, with regard to Comcast and the talking menus. However, the prices are out 
rages, unacceptably so. They take advantage of their monopoly position in 
markets where they have that. Notice the difference between Comcast pricing 
where there is competition and where there isn't. I live in an area where there 
isn't, and as of the middle of next month, Comcast TV will not be in our house 
anymore.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 25, 2016, at 9:19 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> They have that’s true and Comcast does have the talking menus but on the down 
> side, you’re on the Comcast network.  The HD performance is shameful and over 
> compressed, the DVR is not nearly as feature packed and you do not have 
> equivalent upload and download speeds.  You’re also on some shared facilities 
> on the last mile.  But your points are good ones they are good to veterans 
> which is very important although Verizon seemed to be as well from what I saw 
> on the wireless side and Comcast does have talking boxes which does help.  
> 
> Speaking of Veterans I used to work with Bill Clinton’s White House switch 
> operator.:). They put a lot of marines in networking and telecommunications.
> 
>> On Nov 25, 2016, at 8:26 AM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
>> 
>> On the down side they still have not enabled the required talking menus like 
>> Comcast. ComCast has certainly supported the disabled and the veterans,  
>>  Best wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 24, 2016, at 7:21 PM, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> It’s really fantastic other than they don’t support IPV6 yet in my area.  
>>> Otherwise it’s the best home service I’ve ever had.  With the quantum 
>>> service you get up to 500 megabits (last I look it might even be more), you 
>>> can record up to 12 shows at a time and have hundreds of hours of record 
>>> time.  Plus you can pause live TV, you can be watching a show from the 
>>> middle press a key and it records or starts over from the top, the audio is 
>>> stunning and I understand the video is fantastic.  You can also DVR 
>>> something in one room and have it follow you to another and the DVR data is 
>>> stored in the cloud so no annoying loud hard drive spinning in your box.  
>>> You also get the total amount of record time per box not as an aggregate.  
>>> On the internet side you get an equal amount of data down as you do up 
>>> which makes a huge difference.  I can publish 4K videos in seconds.
>>> Comcast is about to launch some gigabit service if they haven’t so I 
>>> expect an increase in speed on the FIOS side soon as well.  I know they 
>>> tested 10G near me in Framingham Mass but I can’t imagine the bill for that 
>>> level of service.  It’s good though.  Verizon has a very good home service.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Nov 24, 2016, at 7:11 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
 
 I am jealous of you people with Fios.
 Mary
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Nov 24, 2016, at 3:24 PM, Scott Granados  
> wrote:
> 
> I’ve never been able to push more than 18 megabits through any of the WRT 
> routers I’ve tried but honestly I jumped off their band wagon once Cisco 
> bought them.  This is a huge issue in Cisco gear and has been for their 
> entire life.  They are known for not providing wire speed solutions.  I 
> would be hesitant to try one on my 500 megabit service but even an 
> airport doesn’t quite saturate that link.  I use the provided ActionTech 
> router that FIOS offers and then use the airports as access points only.  
> I’ve never gotten a Linksys though to even break the 20 megabit mark 
> reliably and that’s on the wired connection let alone the WiFi which 
> slows even further.  I’m hoping though this may have changed because in 
> principle I like their gear because you can flash different firmware on 
> them.  DDWRT and Tomato are very feature packed.
> 
>> On Nov 24, 2016, at 9:22 AM, Erik Burggraaf  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Scott,
>> 
>> I have used  four or five models of WRT family for about 10 years, 
>> recommended them nearly  wholesale to customers, and never experienced 
>> any issue where trafic on forwarded ports would be comparatively slower 
>> than trafic taking place on a direct connection with no router at all.  
>> This may be partly due to the fact that 5 to 15 mbps for residential 
>> internet  is still the gold standard of price vs performance in Canada.  
>> If we were in any way competative in this area, perhapse the difference 
>> would be more measurable, but I doubt that it would come down to 1/3 of 
>> total capacity.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Erik
>> 
>> Sent with AquaMail for Android
>> http://www.aqua-mail.com
>> 
>> 
>>> On November 23, 2016 7:41:43 PM Scott Granados 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Janina, I thought like most Cisco products the links’s devices

Re: RIP AirPort? Apple may abandon wireless routers and Time Capsule

2016-11-25 Thread 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries

Hi, Scott:

Two answers to your question about throughput on Linksys.

First, my personal experience is with the WRT1900AC, first rev. It was
easily the fastest I'd ever worked with. I say this in the past tense,
because I blew it up and it no longer boots. I'm just not good with
tasks like cracking the case open and attaching leads to particular
posts inside in order to get a serial console over USB--even though I
have the parts in house. So, I've been running on an old Archer C7, and
I miss my old Linksys. This has put me back in the market, even though
money is tight for me right now.

Second, I've found the following Cnet article quite helpful, and it
addresses this issue:
https://www.cnet.com/products/linksys-wrt3200acm-mu-mimo-gigabit-wi-fi-router/preview/

So, I'm currently considering a Black Friday deal at Amazon on the
WRT1900ACS--the penultimate model from Linksys which seems to have a
reasonably good price at Amazon just now. However, I'm personally
inclined to wait until just after Christmas as I expect the deals might
be even better in a month. As I said, my money is tight right now.

The above regards throughput. I would add that I've been a stalwart
OpenWRT fan for a decade. I love the control I get with OpenWRT. And,
accessibiliy can't be beat when it's a matter of editing ASCII text
files over ssh, though I tend to download them and edit on my Linux
desktop machine because my Arch build of vim is more featureful than
that provided by OpenWRT. Once edited, I simply rsync the result back
up.

hth

Janina

Scott Granados writes:
> Hi Janina, I thought like most Cisco products the links’s devices had poor 
> forwarding rates.  In other words, they only forward at a third to a half of 
> the line rate.  Has this changed in more recent years or does WRT also help 
> to address this with better more optimized software?
> 
> Thanks
> Scott
> 
> > On Nov 23, 2016, at 2:23 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > It's a couple years old now, but I regard the Linksys WRT1900AC as still
> > a top choice, but not for its native software because It's not all that
> > accessible. This router runs OpenWRT brilliantly, and OpenWRT is fully
> > accessible.
> > 
> > http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/linksys/wrt_ac_series
> > 
> > 
> > PS: I have no personal experience of any of Linksys' more recent
> > variants.
> > 
> > Just my preference. This is not an out of the box solution. There's some
> > assembly required, as the old saying goes.
> > 
> > Janina
> > 
> > 
> > Kawal Gucukoglu writes:
> >> I like my Airport Extreme so if it breaks down I'm not sure what I'm going 
> >> to do.  So I too will want to know a good reliable router if this breaks 
> >> down.
> >>> On 22 Nov 2016, at 09:26, Krister Ekstrom  
> >>> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> Uh oh, so what’s a good and accessible wireless router in case my old 
> >>> trusty Airport Extreme breaks down on me?
> >>> /Krister
> >>> 
>  21 nov. 2016 kl. 23:52 skrev Dan D. :
>  
>  
>  
>  http://www.macworld.com/article/3143604/hardware/rip-airport-apple-may-abandon-wireless-routers-and-time-capsule.html#tk.rss_all
>  
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Re: RIP AirPort? Apple may abandon wireless routers and Time Capsule

2016-11-25 Thread 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries

Hi, Mary:

I used to drool over FiOS, then I got it and I was sort of happy.
However,s hortly thereafter I was forced to move, and I ended up moving
where FiO was unavailable. So, I settled for Comcast, i.e. Xfinity.

Now, I'll not go back to FiOS even if I could for one simple reason.
Xfinity gives me native IPv6 and FiOS doesn't even have an IPv6 roll out
plan yet, last I looked.

My lan is now fully IPv6, including the telephone handsets on my desk. A
team of horses couldn't pull me back into IPv4 and it's obnoxious NAT.
When I had FiOS I had IPv6, but it was tunneled via Tunnel Broker.
Native is so so much more performant, and so so much easier to use. And,
to top it off, I see nothing in my logs by way of the breakin attacks
that I got over IPv4, and still get on the one machine that needs to
support IPv4 ports still--my Linode data center hosted server.

So, I no longer give a hoot for FiOS. I have an entirely different
viewpoint now.

Just my two cents (American).

Janina

Mary Otten writes:
> I am jealous of you people with Fios.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Nov 24, 2016, at 3:24 PM, Scott Granados  
> > wrote:
> > 
> > I’ve never been able to push more than 18 megabits through any of the WRT 
> > routers I’ve tried but honestly I jumped off their band wagon once Cisco 
> > bought them.  This is a huge issue in Cisco gear and has been for their 
> > entire life.  They are known for not providing wire speed solutions.  I 
> > would be hesitant to try one on my 500 megabit service but even an airport 
> > doesn’t quite saturate that link.  I use the provided ActionTech router 
> > that FIOS offers and then use the airports as access points only.  I’ve 
> > never gotten a Linksys though to even break the 20 megabit mark reliably 
> > and that’s on the wired connection let alone the WiFi which slows even 
> > further.  I’m hoping though this may have changed because in principle I 
> > like their gear because you can flash different firmware on them.  DDWRT 
> > and Tomato are very feature packed.
> > 
> >> On Nov 24, 2016, at 9:22 AM, Erik Burggraaf  
> >> wrote:
> >> 
> >> Hi Scott,
> >> 
> >> I have used  four or five models of WRT family for about 10 years, 
> >> recommended them nearly  wholesale to customers, and never experienced any 
> >> issue where trafic on forwarded ports would be comparatively slower than 
> >> trafic taking place on a direct connection with no router at all.  This 
> >> may be partly due to the fact that 5 to 15 mbps for residential internet  
> >> is still the gold standard of price vs performance in Canada.  If we were 
> >> in any way competative in this area, perhapse the difference would be more 
> >> measurable, but I doubt that it would come down to 1/3 of total capacity.
> >> 
> >> Best,
> >> 
> >> Erik
> >> 
> >> Sent with AquaMail for Android
> >> http://www.aqua-mail.com
> >> 
> >> 
> >>> On November 23, 2016 7:41:43 PM Scott Granados  
> >>> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> Hi Janina, I thought like most Cisco products the links’s devices had 
> >>> poor forwarding rates.  In other words, they only forward at a third to a 
> >>> half of the line rate.  Has this changed in more recent years or does WRT 
> >>> also help to address this with better more optimized software?
> >>> 
> >>> Thanks
> >>> Scott
> >>> 
>  On Nov 23, 2016, at 2:23 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>   wrote:
>  
>  It's a couple years old now, but I regard the Linksys WRT1900AC as still
>  a top choice, but not for its native software because It's not all that
>  accessible. This router runs OpenWRT brilliantly, and OpenWRT is fully
>  accessible.
>  
>  http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/linksys/wrt_ac_series
>  
>  
>  PS: I have no personal experience of any of Linksys' more recent
>  variants.
>  
>  Just my preference. This is not an out of the box solution. There's some
>  assembly required, as the old saying goes.
>  
>  Janina
>  
>  
>  Kawal Gucukoglu writes:
> > I like my Airport Extreme so if it breaks down I'm not sure what I'm 
> > going to do.  So I too will want to know a good reliable router if this 
> > breaks down.
> >> On 22 Nov 2016, at 09:26, Krister Ekstrom  
> >> wrote:
> >> 
> >> Uh oh, so what’s a good and accessible wireless router in case my old 
> >> trusty Airport Extreme breaks down on me?
> >> /Krister
> >> 
> >>> 21 nov. 2016 kl. 23:52 skrev Dan D. :
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> http://www.macworld.com/article/3143604/hardware/rip-airport-apple-may-abandon-wireless-routers-and-time-capsule.html#tk.rss_all
> >>> 
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Re: RIP AirPort? Apple may abandon wireless routers and Time Capsule

2016-11-25 Thread 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries

I should have read the rest of this thread before posting the below. Oh,
I still feel this way, but all ya'all are also talking about wired cable
telivision, and I didn't pay for that when I hadmy FiOS. I went straight
from my ONT to my in home Linux server over cat6 cabling.

Verizon tried to collect $99 fom me for a router--something I never got,
because there was no need for it. There record keeping assumed the extra
piece of hardware. It's a continuing unresolved issue rolling around in
my fico scoring, but they're not getting the moola. I can outwait them!

I have Xfinity cable, and I'm reasonably pleased with the talking
interface. Main complaint is that it's laggy, and has a tendency to
crash. But, I'm just not much of a TV person. If my Xfinity weren't
automatically included in my condo fee, I wouldn't be having it at all.
But, that's just me. I can't get into a heads up comparison, though I'm
aware some of what Scott talks about is also supported by Comcast's dvr
product, I have no notion about hd picture quality, and not even the
sound quality available. It's just not something I pay attention to. I
think I had my TV on last Tuesday for awhile--but that's about par for
me.

As for symetric speeds, yes that's the way things should be. That did
bother me when I moved, but it just hasn't been an issue. I find my
uploads, sometimes pretty large files, go through reasonably well. In
fact, there's throughput elasticity built into the Comcast service I
have. Truly, it hasn't been an issue.

Janina

'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries writes:
> Hi, Mary:
> 
> I used to drool over FiOS, then I got it and I was sort of happy.
> However,s hortly thereafter I was forced to move, and I ended up moving
> where FiO was unavailable. So, I settled for Comcast, i.e. Xfinity.
> 
> Now, I'll not go back to FiOS even if I could for one simple reason.
> Xfinity gives me native IPv6 and FiOS doesn't even have an IPv6 roll out
> plan yet, last I looked.
> 
> My lan is now fully IPv6, including the telephone handsets on my desk. A
> team of horses couldn't pull me back into IPv4 and it's obnoxious NAT.
> When I had FiOS I had IPv6, but it was tunneled via Tunnel Broker.
> Native is so so much more performant, and so so much easier to use. And,
> to top it off, I see nothing in my logs by way of the breakin attacks
> that I got over IPv4, and still get on the one machine that needs to
> support IPv4 ports still--my Linode data center hosted server.
> 
> So, I no longer give a hoot for FiOS. I have an entirely different
> viewpoint now.
> 
> Just my two cents (American).
> 
> Janina
> 
> Mary Otten writes:
> > I am jealous of you people with Fios.
> > Mary
> > 
> > 
> > Sent from my iPhone
> > 
> > > On Nov 24, 2016, at 3:24 PM, Scott Granados  
> > > wrote:
> > > 
> > > I’ve never been able to push more than 18 megabits through any of the WRT 
> > > routers I’ve tried but honestly I jumped off their band wagon once Cisco 
> > > bought them.  This is a huge issue in Cisco gear and has been for their 
> > > entire life.  They are known for not providing wire speed solutions.  I 
> > > would be hesitant to try one on my 500 megabit service but even an 
> > > airport doesn’t quite saturate that link.  I use the provided ActionTech 
> > > router that FIOS offers and then use the airports as access points only.  
> > > I’ve never gotten a Linksys though to even break the 20 megabit mark 
> > > reliably and that’s on the wired connection let alone the WiFi which 
> > > slows even further.  I’m hoping though this may have changed because in 
> > > principle I like their gear because you can flash different firmware on 
> > > them.  DDWRT and Tomato are very feature packed.
> > > 
> > >> On Nov 24, 2016, at 9:22 AM, Erik Burggraaf  
> > >> wrote:
> > >> 
> > >> Hi Scott,
> > >> 
> > >> I have used  four or five models of WRT family for about 10 years, 
> > >> recommended them nearly  wholesale to customers, and never experienced 
> > >> any issue where trafic on forwarded ports would be comparatively slower 
> > >> than trafic taking place on a direct connection with no router at all.  
> > >> This may be partly due to the fact that 5 to 15 mbps for residential 
> > >> internet  is still the gold standard of price vs performance in Canada.  
> > >> If we were in any way competative in this area, perhapse the difference 
> > >> would be more measurable, but I doubt that it would come down to 1/3 of 
> > >> total capacity.
> > >> 
> > >> Best,
> > >> 
> > >> Erik
> > >> 
> > >> Sent with AquaMail for Android
> > >> http://www.aqua-mail.com
> > >> 
> > >> 
> > >>> On November 23, 2016 7:41:43 PM Scott Granados 
> > >>>  wrote:
> > >>> 
> > >>> Hi Janina, I thought like most Cisco products the links’s devices had 
> > >>> poor forwarding rates.  In other words, they only forward at a third to 
> > >>> a half of the line rate.  Has this changed in more recent years or does 
> > >>> WRT also help to address this with better more optimiz

Re: RIP AirPort? Apple may abandon wireless routers and Time Capsule

2016-11-25 Thread Scott Granados

FYI FIOS is rolling out V6 now.  It’s not in my area yet but it is under way.  
There’s also talk of which routers you need to support it, luckily mine is one 
of the models that does.  

Like you I used a tunnel breaker before, in my case I worked with Hurricane 
electric but there are many options.  Hurricane electric was nice because they 
had many pops to choose from so I could find the one closest to me to use.  
You’re right though, nothing beats native V6.  To me though, the Comcast 
performance problems just weren’t worth V6 native access.  But just to clarify 
there is a roll out under way.  Also, the VZW network should also be V6 ready, 
we were using V6 back in 2013 so I assume it’s made it to the consumer by now.  
T-Mobile doesn’t seem to have it in place yet but it seems in the cards looking 
at the settings they have available in their hotspots.

> On Nov 25, 2016, at 7:07 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi, Mary:
> 
> I used to drool over FiOS, then I got it and I was sort of happy.
> However,s hortly thereafter I was forced to move, and I ended up moving
> where FiO was unavailable. So, I settled for Comcast, i.e. Xfinity.
> 
> Now, I'll not go back to FiOS even if I could for one simple reason.
> Xfinity gives me native IPv6 and FiOS doesn't even have an IPv6 roll out
> plan yet, last I looked.
> 
> My lan is now fully IPv6, including the telephone handsets on my desk. A
> team of horses couldn't pull me back into IPv4 and it's obnoxious NAT.
> When I had FiOS I had IPv6, but it was tunneled via Tunnel Broker.
> Native is so so much more performant, and so so much easier to use. And,
> to top it off, I see nothing in my logs by way of the breakin attacks
> that I got over IPv4, and still get on the one machine that needs to
> support IPv4 ports still--my Linode data center hosted server.
> 
> So, I no longer give a hoot for FiOS. I have an entirely different
> viewpoint now.
> 
> Just my two cents (American).
> 
> Janina
> 
> Mary Otten writes:
>> I am jealous of you people with Fios.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Nov 24, 2016, at 3:24 PM, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I’ve never been able to push more than 18 megabits through any of the WRT 
>>> routers I’ve tried but honestly I jumped off their band wagon once Cisco 
>>> bought them.  This is a huge issue in Cisco gear and has been for their 
>>> entire life.  They are known for not providing wire speed solutions.  I 
>>> would be hesitant to try one on my 500 megabit service but even an airport 
>>> doesn’t quite saturate that link.  I use the provided ActionTech router 
>>> that FIOS offers and then use the airports as access points only.  I’ve 
>>> never gotten a Linksys though to even break the 20 megabit mark reliably 
>>> and that’s on the wired connection let alone the WiFi which slows even 
>>> further.  I’m hoping though this may have changed because in principle I 
>>> like their gear because you can flash different firmware on them.  DDWRT 
>>> and Tomato are very feature packed.
>>> 
 On Nov 24, 2016, at 9:22 AM, Erik Burggraaf  
 wrote:

 Hi Scott,

 I have used  four or five models of WRT family for about 10 years, 
 recommended them nearly  wholesale to customers, and never experienced any 
 issue where trafic on forwarded ports would be comparatively slower than 
 trafic taking place on a direct connection with no router at all.  This 
 may be partly due to the fact that 5 to 15 mbps for residential internet  
 is still the gold standard of price vs performance in Canada.  If we were 
 in any way competative in this area, perhapse the difference would be more 
 measurable, but I doubt that it would come down to 1/3 of total capacity.

 Best,

 Erik

 Sent with AquaMail for Android
 http://www.aqua-mail.com

> On November 23, 2016 7:41:43 PM Scott Granados  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Janina, I thought like most Cisco products the links’s devices had 
> poor forwarding rates.  In other words, they only forward at a third to a 
> half of the line rate.  Has this changed in more recent years or does WRT 
> also help to address this with better more optimized software?
> 
> Thanks
> Scott
> 
>> On Nov 23, 2016, at 2:23 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> It's a couple years old now, but I regard the Linksys WRT1900AC as still
>> a top choice, but not for its native software because It's not all that
>> accessible. This router runs OpenWRT brilliantly, and OpenWRT is fully
>> accessible.
>> 
>> http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/linksys/wrt_ac_series
>> 
>> 
>> PS: I have no personal experience of any of Linksys' more recent
>> variants.
>> 
>> Just my preference. This is not an out of the box solution. There's some
>> assembly required, as the old saying goes.
>>

Re: RIP AirPort? Apple may abandon wireless routers and Time Capsule

2016-11-25 Thread Scott Granados

You know what bugged me worse than the network performance, the lower quality 
television and the instability in my area of Comcast was the customer service.  
By far the absolute worst I have run in to.  Made me wish for the days of AT&T, 
that should tell you something.  I have the reverse issue you did with FIOS.  I 
have something like a $700 credit with Comcast because they first charged me 
$1500 for boxes I didn’t return and when I was able to demonstrate I had 
returned the boxes I went to a crazy positive state.  (Good luck getting that 
out of them though). Each call to customer service took 45 minutes of hold time 
only to get a different answer every time and never once did I get a rep who 
cared.  I realize though each person may have a different result in this area 
but I have heard nothing good about the customer service.  I suppose if you 
live in an area where it just works, the head ends aren’t over sold and the 
plant is newer you may have a wildly different experience.

> On Nov 25, 2016, at 7:19 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> I should have read the rest of this thread before posting the below. Oh,
> I still feel this way, but all ya'all are also talking about wired cable
> telivision, and I didn't pay for that when I hadmy FiOS. I went straight
> from my ONT to my in home Linux server over cat6 cabling.
> 
> Verizon tried to collect $99 fom me for a router--something I never got,
> because there was no need for it. There record keeping assumed the extra
> piece of hardware. It's a continuing unresolved issue rolling around in
> my fico scoring, but they're not getting the moola. I can outwait them!
> 
> I have Xfinity cable, and I'm reasonably pleased with the talking
> interface. Main complaint is that it's laggy, and has a tendency to
> crash. But, I'm just not much of a TV person. If my Xfinity weren't
> automatically included in my condo fee, I wouldn't be having it at all.
> But, that's just me. I can't get into a heads up comparison, though I'm
> aware some of what Scott talks about is also supported by Comcast's dvr
> product, I have no notion about hd picture quality, and not even the
> sound quality available. It's just not something I pay attention to. I
> think I had my TV on last Tuesday for awhile--but that's about par for
> me.
> 
> 
> As for symetric speeds, yes that's the way things should be. That did
> bother me when I moved, but it just hasn't been an issue. I find my
> uploads, sometimes pretty large files, go through reasonably well. In
> fact, there's throughput elasticity built into the Comcast service I
> have. Truly, it hasn't been an issue.
> 
> Janina
> 
> 
> 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries writes:
>> Hi, Mary:
>> 
>> I used to drool over FiOS, then I got it and I was sort of happy.
>> However,s hortly thereafter I was forced to move, and I ended up moving
>> where FiO was unavailable. So, I settled for Comcast, i.e. Xfinity.
>> 
>> Now, I'll not go back to FiOS even if I could for one simple reason.
>> Xfinity gives me native IPv6 and FiOS doesn't even have an IPv6 roll out
>> plan yet, last I looked.
>> 
>> My lan is now fully IPv6, including the telephone handsets on my desk. A
>> team of horses couldn't pull me back into IPv4 and it's obnoxious NAT.
>> When I had FiOS I had IPv6, but it was tunneled via Tunnel Broker.
>> Native is so so much more performant, and so so much easier to use. And,
>> to top it off, I see nothing in my logs by way of the breakin attacks
>> that I got over IPv4, and still get on the one machine that needs to
>> support IPv4 ports still--my Linode data center hosted server.
>> 
>> So, I no longer give a hoot for FiOS. I have an entirely different
>> viewpoint now.
>> 
>> Just my two cents (American).
>> 
>> Janina
>> 
>> Mary Otten writes:
>>> I am jealous of you people with Fios.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Nov 24, 2016, at 3:24 PM, Scott Granados  
 wrote:

 I’ve never been able to push more than 18 megabits through any of the WRT 
 routers I’ve tried but honestly I jumped off their band wagon once Cisco 
 bought them.  This is a huge issue in Cisco gear and has been for their 
 entire life.  They are known for not providing wire speed solutions.  I 
 would be hesitant to try one on my 500 megabit service but even an airport 
 doesn’t quite saturate that link.  I use the provided ActionTech router 
 that FIOS offers and then use the airports as access points only.  I’ve 
 never gotten a Linksys though to even break the 20 megabit mark reliably 
 and that’s on the wired connection let alone the WiFi which slows even 
 further.  I’m hoping though this may have changed because in principle I 
 like their gear because you can flash different firmware on them.  DDWRT 
 and Tomato are very feature packed.

> On Nov 24, 2016, at 9:22 AM, Erik Burggraaf  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Scott,
> 
> I have used  fo

Re: RIP AirPort? Apple may abandon wireless routers and Time Capsule

2016-11-26 Thread 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries

This is good to know, Scott. I'm glad they're finally rolling IPv6 on
FiOS. Do you know if they have a page documenting their rollout?

For the record Ipv6 is long since rolled out on T-Mobile across the
U.S., predating their rollout of LTE. Their prefix is 2607:fb90 ... On
some phones, you may need to configure the APN as per the instructions
in this old page:

https://sites.google.com/site/tmoipv6/lg-mytouch


Anecdotaly I can offer that the mobile roaming is working far better in
recent months. Meaning, that once upon a time I would lose connectivity
moving from my inhome wifi down my elevator and out the front door of my
building. In the bad old days this even sometimes cancelled my Uber, and
I had to rerequest my Uber ride. No more. Transitions are now perfectly
smooth for me.

And, yes, Hurrican Electric rocks. If I ever need a colo server again,
I'm starting with HE.

Janina

Scott Granados writes:
> FYI FIOS is rolling out V6 now.  It’s not in my area yet but it is under way. 
>  There’s also talk of which routers you need to support it, luckily mine is 
> one of the models that does.  
> 
> Like you I used a tunnel breaker before, in my case I worked with Hurricane 
> electric but there are many options.  Hurricane electric was nice because 
> they had many pops to choose from so I could find the one closest to me to 
> use.  You’re right though, nothing beats native V6.  To me though, the 
> Comcast performance problems just weren’t worth V6 native access.  But just 
> to clarify there is a roll out under way.  Also, the VZW network should also 
> be V6 ready, we were using V6 back in 2013 so I assume it’s made it to the 
> consumer by now.  T-Mobile doesn’t seem to have it in place yet but it seems 
> in the cards looking at the settings they have available in their hotspots.
> 
> > On Nov 25, 2016, at 7:07 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Hi, Mary:
> > 
> > I used to drool over FiOS, then I got it and I was sort of happy.
> > However,s hortly thereafter I was forced to move, and I ended up moving
> > where FiO was unavailable. So, I settled for Comcast, i.e. Xfinity.
> > 
> > Now, I'll not go back to FiOS even if I could for one simple reason.
> > Xfinity gives me native IPv6 and FiOS doesn't even have an IPv6 roll out
> > plan yet, last I looked.
> > 
> > My lan is now fully IPv6, including the telephone handsets on my desk. A
> > team of horses couldn't pull me back into IPv4 and it's obnoxious NAT.
> > When I had FiOS I had IPv6, but it was tunneled via Tunnel Broker.
> > Native is so so much more performant, and so so much easier to use. And,
> > to top it off, I see nothing in my logs by way of the breakin attacks
> > that I got over IPv4, and still get on the one machine that needs to
> > support IPv4 ports still--my Linode data center hosted server.
> > 
> > So, I no longer give a hoot for FiOS. I have an entirely different
> > viewpoint now.
> > 
> > Just my two cents (American).
> > 
> > Janina
> > 
> > Mary Otten writes:
> >> I am jealous of you people with Fios.
> >> Mary
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >> 
> >>> On Nov 24, 2016, at 3:24 PM, Scott Granados  
> >>> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> I’ve never been able to push more than 18 megabits through any of the WRT 
> >>> routers I’ve tried but honestly I jumped off their band wagon once Cisco 
> >>> bought them.  This is a huge issue in Cisco gear and has been for their 
> >>> entire life.  They are known for not providing wire speed solutions.  I 
> >>> would be hesitant to try one on my 500 megabit service but even an 
> >>> airport doesn’t quite saturate that link.  I use the provided ActionTech 
> >>> router that FIOS offers and then use the airports as access points only.  
> >>> I’ve never gotten a Linksys though to even break the 20 megabit mark 
> >>> reliably and that’s on the wired connection let alone the WiFi which 
> >>> slows even further.  I’m hoping though this may have changed because in 
> >>> principle I like their gear because you can flash different firmware on 
> >>> them.  DDWRT and Tomato are very feature packed.
> >>> 
>  On Nov 24, 2016, at 9:22 AM, Erik Burggraaf  
>  wrote:
>  
>  Hi Scott,
>  
>  I have used  four or five models of WRT family for about 10 years, 
>  recommended them nearly  wholesale to customers, and never experienced 
>  any issue where trafic on forwarded ports would be comparatively slower 
>  than trafic taking place on a direct connection with no router at all.  
>  This may be partly due to the fact that 5 to 15 mbps for residential 
>  internet  is still the gold standard of price vs performance in Canada.  
>  If we were in any way competative in this area, perhapse the difference 
>  would be more measurable, but I doubt that it would come down to 1/3 of 
>  total capacity.
>  
>  Best,
>  
>  Erik
>  
>  Sent with AquaMail for Android
>  http://www.aqua-mail.com
>

Re: RIP AirPort? Apple may abandon wireless routers and Time Capsule

2016-11-26 Thread 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries

Well, it saddens me to agree that Comcast service bites the big one. If
my issue is simple and straight forward, I can usually get good service,
but anything slightly above Level One support is bound to take time and
persistance.


Scott Granados writes:
> You know what bugged me worse than the network performance, the lower quality 
> television and the instability in my area of Comcast was the customer 
> service.  By far the absolute worst I have run in to.  Made me wish for the 
> days of AT&T, that should tell you something.  I have the reverse issue you 
> did with FIOS.  I have something like a $700 credit with Comcast because they 
> first charged me $1500 for boxes I didn’t return and when I was able to 
> demonstrate I had returned the boxes I went to a crazy positive state.  (Good 
> luck getting that out of them though). Each call to customer service took 45 
> minutes of hold time only to get a different answer every time and never once 
> did I get a rep who cared.  I realize though each person may have a different 
> result in this area but I have heard nothing good about the customer service. 
>  I suppose if you live in an area where it just works, the head ends aren’t 
> over sold and the plant is newer you may have a wildly different experience.
> 
> > On Nov 25, 2016, at 7:19 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > I should have read the rest of this thread before posting the below. Oh,
> > I still feel this way, but all ya'all are also talking about wired cable
> > telivision, and I didn't pay for that when I hadmy FiOS. I went straight
> > from my ONT to my in home Linux server over cat6 cabling.
> > 
> > Verizon tried to collect $99 fom me for a router--something I never got,
> > because there was no need for it. There record keeping assumed the extra
> > piece of hardware. It's a continuing unresolved issue rolling around in
> > my fico scoring, but they're not getting the moola. I can outwait them!
> > 
> > I have Xfinity cable, and I'm reasonably pleased with the talking
> > interface. Main complaint is that it's laggy, and has a tendency to
> > crash. But, I'm just not much of a TV person. If my Xfinity weren't
> > automatically included in my condo fee, I wouldn't be having it at all.
> > But, that's just me. I can't get into a heads up comparison, though I'm
> > aware some of what Scott talks about is also supported by Comcast's dvr
> > product, I have no notion about hd picture quality, and not even the
> > sound quality available. It's just not something I pay attention to. I
> > think I had my TV on last Tuesday for awhile--but that's about par for
> > me.
> > 
> > 
> > As for symetric speeds, yes that's the way things should be. That did
> > bother me when I moved, but it just hasn't been an issue. I find my
> > uploads, sometimes pretty large files, go through reasonably well. In
> > fact, there's throughput elasticity built into the Comcast service I
> > have. Truly, it hasn't been an issue.
> > 
> > Janina
> > 
> > 
> > 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries writes:
> >> Hi, Mary:
> >> 
> >> I used to drool over FiOS, then I got it and I was sort of happy.
> >> However,s hortly thereafter I was forced to move, and I ended up moving
> >> where FiO was unavailable. So, I settled for Comcast, i.e. Xfinity.
> >> 
> >> Now, I'll not go back to FiOS even if I could for one simple reason.
> >> Xfinity gives me native IPv6 and FiOS doesn't even have an IPv6 roll out
> >> plan yet, last I looked.
> >> 
> >> My lan is now fully IPv6, including the telephone handsets on my desk. A
> >> team of horses couldn't pull me back into IPv4 and it's obnoxious NAT.
> >> When I had FiOS I had IPv6, but it was tunneled via Tunnel Broker.
> >> Native is so so much more performant, and so so much easier to use. And,
> >> to top it off, I see nothing in my logs by way of the breakin attacks
> >> that I got over IPv4, and still get on the one machine that needs to
> >> support IPv4 ports still--my Linode data center hosted server.
> >> 
> >> So, I no longer give a hoot for FiOS. I have an entirely different
> >> viewpoint now.
> >> 
> >> Just my two cents (American).
> >> 
> >> Janina
> >> 
> >> Mary Otten writes:
> >>> I am jealous of you people with Fios.
> >>> Mary
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>> 
>  On Nov 24, 2016, at 3:24 PM, Scott Granados  
>  wrote:
>  
>  I’ve never been able to push more than 18 megabits through any of the 
>  WRT routers I’ve tried but honestly I jumped off their band wagon once 
>  Cisco bought them.  This is a huge issue in Cisco gear and has been for 
>  their entire life.  They are known for not providing wire speed 
>  solutions.  I would be hesitant to try one on my 500 megabit service but 
>  even an airport doesn’t quite saturate that link.  I use the provided 
>  ActionTech router that FIOS offers and then use the airports as access 
>  points only.  I’ve never gotten a Linksys though to

Re: RIP AirPort? Apple may abandon wireless routers and Time Capsule

2016-11-26 Thread Scott Granados

Hi Janina, here is a page detailing IPV6 on VZ.  This looks somewhat out of 
date but it’s the only thing I could find that’s officially from VZ.

https://www.verizon.com/support/consumer/consumer-education/ipv6 


Also found a publication that shows IPV6 at about 80% deployed on the wireless 
network.  Talk about taking your sweet time!  Thanks for the T-Mobile pointer, 
I’m going to check that out now considering I have several data devices and it 
didn’t seem to be enabled.

Thank you again

> On Nov 26, 2016, at 3:02 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> This is good to know, Scott. I'm glad they're finally rolling IPv6 on
> FiOS. Do you know if they have a page documenting their rollout?
> 
> For the record Ipv6 is long since rolled out on T-Mobile across the
> U.S., predating their rollout of LTE. Their prefix is 2607:fb90 ... On
> some phones, you may need to configure the APN as per the instructions
> in this old page:
> 
> https://sites.google.com/site/tmoipv6/lg-mytouch
> 
> 
> Anecdotaly I can offer that the mobile roaming is working far better in
> recent months. Meaning, that once upon a time I would lose connectivity
> moving from my inhome wifi down my elevator and out the front door of my
> building. In the bad old days this even sometimes cancelled my Uber, and
> I had to rerequest my Uber ride. No more. Transitions are now perfectly
> smooth for me.
> 
> And, yes, Hurrican Electric rocks. If I ever need a colo server again,
> I'm starting with HE.
> 
> Janina
> 
> Scott Granados writes:
>> FYI FIOS is rolling out V6 now.  It’s not in my area yet but it is under 
>> way.  There’s also talk of which routers you need to support it, luckily 
>> mine is one of the models that does.  
>> 
>> Like you I used a tunnel breaker before, in my case I worked with Hurricane 
>> electric but there are many options.  Hurricane electric was nice because 
>> they had many pops to choose from so I could find the one closest to me to 
>> use.  You’re right though, nothing beats native V6.  To me though, the 
>> Comcast performance problems just weren’t worth V6 native access.  But just 
>> to clarify there is a roll out under way.  Also, the VZW network should also 
>> be V6 ready, we were using V6 back in 2013 so I assume it’s made it to the 
>> consumer by now.  T-Mobile doesn’t seem to have it in place yet but it seems 
>> in the cards looking at the settings they have available in their hotspots.
>> 
>>> On Nov 25, 2016, at 7:07 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi, Mary:
>>> 
>>> I used to drool over FiOS, then I got it and I was sort of happy.
>>> However,s hortly thereafter I was forced to move, and I ended up moving
>>> where FiO was unavailable. So, I settled for Comcast, i.e. Xfinity.
>>> 
>>> Now, I'll not go back to FiOS even if I could for one simple reason.
>>> Xfinity gives me native IPv6 and FiOS doesn't even have an IPv6 roll out
>>> plan yet, last I looked.
>>> 
>>> My lan is now fully IPv6, including the telephone handsets on my desk. A
>>> team of horses couldn't pull me back into IPv4 and it's obnoxious NAT.
>>> When I had FiOS I had IPv6, but it was tunneled via Tunnel Broker.
>>> Native is so so much more performant, and so so much easier to use. And,
>>> to top it off, I see nothing in my logs by way of the breakin attacks
>>> that I got over IPv4, and still get on the one machine that needs to
>>> support IPv4 ports still--my Linode data center hosted server.
>>> 
>>> So, I no longer give a hoot for FiOS. I have an entirely different
>>> viewpoint now.
>>> 
>>> Just my two cents (American).
>>> 
>>> Janina
>>> 
>>> Mary Otten writes:
 I am jealous of you people with Fios.
 Mary
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Nov 24, 2016, at 3:24 PM, Scott Granados  
> wrote:
> 
> I’ve never been able to push more than 18 megabits through any of the WRT 
> routers I’ve tried but honestly I jumped off their band wagon once Cisco 
> bought them.  This is a huge issue in Cisco gear and has been for their 
> entire life.  They are known for not providing wire speed solutions.  I 
> would be hesitant to try one on my 500 megabit service but even an 
> airport doesn’t quite saturate that link.  I use the provided ActionTech 
> router that FIOS offers and then use the airports as access points only.  
> I’ve never gotten a Linksys though to even break the 20 megabit mark 
> reliably and that’s on the wired connection let alone the WiFi which 
> slows even further.  I’m hoping though this may have changed because in 
> principle I like their gear because you can flash different firmware on 
> them.  DDWRT and Tomato are very feature packed.
> 
>> On Nov 24, 2016, at 9:22 AM, Erik Burggraaf  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Scott,
>> 
>> I have used  four or five models of WRT family for about 10 years,

Re: RIP AirPort? Apple may abandon wireless routers and Time Capsule

2016-11-26 Thread 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries

Hi, Scott:

Wow! Believe it or not, I remember that Verizon IPv6 page. It gave me
hope while I still had FiOS at my last address over 5 years ago! As I
recall, they were testing dual stack with Verizon employees in Northern
Virginia.

What seems to be missing, and I went and looked, is anykind of timeline
or milestones. Years ago I had bookmarked a page where you could find
out where they were laying fiber next, state by state, but I no longer
have that link.

I do have the ARIN page for T-Mobile IPv6 for you, though:

http://whois.arin.net/rest/net/NET6-2607-FB90-1

So, any device you have on T-Mo should certainly have an address in the
2607:FB90::/32 block. If it doesn't, I'd seriously look at the APNs
under Settings.

Janina

Scott Granados writes:
> Hi Janina, here is a page detailing IPV6 on VZ.  This looks somewhat out of 
> date but it’s the only thing I could find that’s officially from VZ.
> 
> https://www.verizon.com/support/consumer/consumer-education/ipv6 
> 
> 
> Also found a publication that shows IPV6 at about 80% deployed on the 
> wireless network.  Talk about taking your sweet time!  Thanks for the 
> T-Mobile pointer, I’m going to check that out now considering I have several 
> data devices and it didn’t seem to be enabled.
> 
> Thank you again
> 
> > On Nov 26, 2016, at 3:02 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > This is good to know, Scott. I'm glad they're finally rolling IPv6 on
> > FiOS. Do you know if they have a page documenting their rollout?
> > 
> > For the record Ipv6 is long since rolled out on T-Mobile across the
> > U.S., predating their rollout of LTE. Their prefix is 2607:fb90 ... On
> > some phones, you may need to configure the APN as per the instructions
> > in this old page:
> > 
> > https://sites.google.com/site/tmoipv6/lg-mytouch
> > 
> > 
> > Anecdotaly I can offer that the mobile roaming is working far better in
> > recent months. Meaning, that once upon a time I would lose connectivity
> > moving from my inhome wifi down my elevator and out the front door of my
> > building. In the bad old days this even sometimes cancelled my Uber, and
> > I had to rerequest my Uber ride. No more. Transitions are now perfectly
> > smooth for me.
> > 
> > And, yes, Hurrican Electric rocks. If I ever need a colo server again,
> > I'm starting with HE.
> > 
> > Janina
> > 
> > Scott Granados writes:
> >> FYI FIOS is rolling out V6 now.  It’s not in my area yet but it is under 
> >> way.  There’s also talk of which routers you need to support it, luckily 
> >> mine is one of the models that does.  
> >> 
> >> Like you I used a tunnel breaker before, in my case I worked with 
> >> Hurricane electric but there are many options.  Hurricane electric was 
> >> nice because they had many pops to choose from so I could find the one 
> >> closest to me to use.  You’re right though, nothing beats native V6.  To 
> >> me though, the Comcast performance problems just weren’t worth V6 native 
> >> access.  But just to clarify there is a roll out under way.  Also, the VZW 
> >> network should also be V6 ready, we were using V6 back in 2013 so I assume 
> >> it’s made it to the consumer by now.  T-Mobile doesn’t seem to have it in 
> >> place yet but it seems in the cards looking at the settings they have 
> >> available in their hotspots.
> >> 
> >>> On Nov 25, 2016, at 7:07 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >>>  wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> Hi, Mary:
> >>> 
> >>> I used to drool over FiOS, then I got it and I was sort of happy.
> >>> However,s hortly thereafter I was forced to move, and I ended up moving
> >>> where FiO was unavailable. So, I settled for Comcast, i.e. Xfinity.
> >>> 
> >>> Now, I'll not go back to FiOS even if I could for one simple reason.
> >>> Xfinity gives me native IPv6 and FiOS doesn't even have an IPv6 roll out
> >>> plan yet, last I looked.
> >>> 
> >>> My lan is now fully IPv6, including the telephone handsets on my desk. A
> >>> team of horses couldn't pull me back into IPv4 and it's obnoxious NAT.
> >>> When I had FiOS I had IPv6, but it was tunneled via Tunnel Broker.
> >>> Native is so so much more performant, and so so much easier to use. And,
> >>> to top it off, I see nothing in my logs by way of the breakin attacks
> >>> that I got over IPv4, and still get on the one machine that needs to
> >>> support IPv4 ports still--my Linode data center hosted server.
> >>> 
> >>> So, I no longer give a hoot for FiOS. I have an entirely different
> >>> viewpoint now.
> >>> 
> >>> Just my two cents (American).
> >>> 
> >>> Janina
> >>> 
> >>> Mary Otten writes:
>  I am jealous of you people with Fios.
>  Mary
>  
>  
>  Sent from my iPhone
>  
> > On Nov 24, 2016, at 3:24 PM, Scott Granados  
> > wrote:
> > 
> > I’ve never been able to push more than 18 megabits through any of the 
> > WRT routers I’ve tried but honestly I jumped off their band w

Re: RIP AirPort? Apple may abandon wireless routers and Time Capsule

2016-11-26 Thread Jonathan Cohn

Well, I am in Northern Virginia about 3 blocks away from where UUNET HQ was in 
the 1990's. They eventually moved out west of Dulles Airport in 1999 / 2000 
after being bought by WorldCom. Why do I mention UUNET? Because Verizon bought 
WorldCom for pennies on the dollar after fraudulent  accounting was exposed.  
Unless I am missing something, FIOS here in Northern Virginia still does not 
have IPv6 capabilities. 

Did anybody see in that Arz Technica review about how IPv6 addresses in MacOS 
are not linked to the MAC address?but are randomized for outgoing connections? 
Is this standard practice now for IPv6?
 

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn 



> On Nov 26, 2016, at 9:02 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi, Scott:
> 
> Wow! Believe it or not, I remember that Verizon IPv6 page. It gave me
> hope while I still had FiOS at my last address over 5 years ago! As I
> recall, they were testing dual stack with Verizon employees in Northern
> Virginia.
> 
> What seems to be missing, and I went and looked, is anykind of timeline
> or milestones. Years ago I had bookmarked a page where you could find
> out where they were laying fiber next, state by state, but I no longer
> have that link.
> 
> I do have the ARIN page for T-Mobile IPv6 for you, though:
> 
> http://whois.arin.net/rest/net/NET6-2607-FB90-1
> 
> So, any device you have on T-Mo should certainly have an address in the
> 2607:FB90::/32 block. If it doesn't, I'd seriously look at the APNs
> under Settings.
> 
> Janina
> 
> Scott Granados writes:
>> Hi Janina, here is a page detailing IPV6 on VZ.  This looks somewhat out of 
>> date but it’s the only thing I could find that’s officially from VZ.
>> 
>> https://www.verizon.com/support/consumer/consumer-education/ipv6 
>> 
>> 
>> Also found a publication that shows IPV6 at about 80% deployed on the 
>> wireless network.  Talk about taking your sweet time!  Thanks for the 
>> T-Mobile pointer, I’m going to check that out now considering I have several 
>> data devices and it didn’t seem to be enabled.
>> 
>> Thank you again
>> 
>>> On Nov 26, 2016, at 3:02 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> This is good to know, Scott. I'm glad they're finally rolling IPv6 on
>>> FiOS. Do you know if they have a page documenting their rollout?
>>> 
>>> For the record Ipv6 is long since rolled out on T-Mobile across the
>>> U.S., predating their rollout of LTE. Their prefix is 2607:fb90 ... On
>>> some phones, you may need to configure the APN as per the instructions
>>> in this old page:
>>> 
>>> https://sites.google.com/site/tmoipv6/lg-mytouch
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Anecdotaly I can offer that the mobile roaming is working far better in
>>> recent months. Meaning, that once upon a time I would lose connectivity
>>> moving from my inhome wifi down my elevator and out the front door of my
>>> building. In the bad old days this even sometimes cancelled my Uber, and
>>> I had to rerequest my Uber ride. No more. Transitions are now perfectly
>>> smooth for me.
>>> 
>>> And, yes, Hurrican Electric rocks. If I ever need a colo server again,
>>> I'm starting with HE.
>>> 
>>> Janina
>>> 
>>> Scott Granados writes:
 FYI FIOS is rolling out V6 now.  It’s not in my area yet but it is under 
 way.  There’s also talk of which routers you need to support it, luckily 
 mine is one of the models that does.  
 
 Like you I used a tunnel breaker before, in my case I worked with 
 Hurricane electric but there are many options.  Hurricane electric was 
 nice because they had many pops to choose from so I could find the one 
 closest to me to use.  You’re right though, nothing beats native V6.  To 
 me though, the Comcast performance problems just weren’t worth V6 native 
 access.  But just to clarify there is a roll out under way.  Also, the VZW 
 network should also be V6 ready, we were using V6 back in 2013 so I assume 
 it’s made it to the consumer by now.  T-Mobile doesn’t seem to have it in 
 place yet but it seems in the cards looking at the settings they have 
 available in their hotspots.
 
> On Nov 25, 2016, at 7:07 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi, Mary:
> 
> I used to drool over FiOS, then I got it and I was sort of happy.
> However,s hortly thereafter I was forced to move, and I ended up moving
> where FiO was unavailable. So, I settled for Comcast, i.e. Xfinity.
> 
> Now, I'll not go back to FiOS even if I could for one simple reason.
> Xfinity gives me native IPv6 and FiOS doesn't even have an IPv6 roll out
> plan yet, last I looked.
> 
> My lan is now fully IPv6, including the telephone handsets on my desk. A
> team of horses couldn't pull me back into IPv4 and it's obnoxious NAT.
> When I had FiOS I had IPv6, but it was tunneled via Tunnel Broker.
> Native is so so

Re: RIP AirPort? Apple may abandon wireless routers and Time Capsule

2016-11-26 Thread 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries

Ah, WorldCom. How well I remember the days of dialup around the planet
with my local access number for uu.net!

I had to place an international call for tech support on my first trip
to Japan. I'd not previously encountered stutter tone as dialtone, and I
couldn't remember the Hayes command to ignore and just dial. After that,
I carried my Hayes commands around in a file, just in case.

Then there was that hotel in Birmingham, U.K. whith the funny terminator
plug--never did learn its RJ number, but I still have the cable for some
reason.

I didn't see the article you mention about mac addresses, but they're
certainly spoofable. I have a Netgear 24 port switch around here
somewhere that supports spoofing mac addresses. As far as I'm aware,
though, none of mine are spoofed.

We are now past the day of IPv4 exhaustion, though:

http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/07/us-exhausts-new-ipv4-addresses-waitlist-begins/

Janina


Jonathan Cohn writes:
> Well, I am in Northern Virginia about 3 blocks away from where UUNET HQ was 
> in the 1990's. They eventually moved out west of Dulles Airport in 1999 / 
> 2000 after being bought by WorldCom. Why do I mention UUNET? Because Verizon 
> bought WorldCom for pennies on the dollar after fraudulent  accounting was 
> exposed.  Unless I am missing something, FIOS here in Northern Virginia still 
> does not have IPv6 capabilities. 
> 
> Did anybody see in that Arz Technica review about how IPv6 addresses in MacOS 
> are not linked to the MAC address?but are randomized for outgoing 
> connections? Is this standard practice now for IPv6?
>  
> 
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn 
> 
> 
> 
> > On Nov 26, 2016, at 9:02 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Hi, Scott:
> > 
> > Wow! Believe it or not, I remember that Verizon IPv6 page. It gave me
> > hope while I still had FiOS at my last address over 5 years ago! As I
> > recall, they were testing dual stack with Verizon employees in Northern
> > Virginia.
> > 
> > What seems to be missing, and I went and looked, is anykind of timeline
> > or milestones. Years ago I had bookmarked a page where you could find
> > out where they were laying fiber next, state by state, but I no longer
> > have that link.
> > 
> > I do have the ARIN page for T-Mobile IPv6 for you, though:
> > 
> > http://whois.arin.net/rest/net/NET6-2607-FB90-1
> > 
> > So, any device you have on T-Mo should certainly have an address in the
> > 2607:FB90::/32 block. If it doesn't, I'd seriously look at the APNs
> > under Settings.
> > 
> > Janina
> > 
> > Scott Granados writes:
> >> Hi Janina, here is a page detailing IPV6 on VZ.  This looks somewhat out 
> >> of date but it’s the only thing I could find that’s officially from VZ.
> >> 
> >> https://www.verizon.com/support/consumer/consumer-education/ipv6 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Also found a publication that shows IPV6 at about 80% deployed on the 
> >> wireless network.  Talk about taking your sweet time!  Thanks for the 
> >> T-Mobile pointer, I’m going to check that out now considering I have 
> >> several data devices and it didn’t seem to be enabled.
> >> 
> >> Thank you again
> >> 
> >>> On Nov 26, 2016, at 3:02 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >>>  wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> This is good to know, Scott. I'm glad they're finally rolling IPv6 on
> >>> FiOS. Do you know if they have a page documenting their rollout?
> >>> 
> >>> For the record Ipv6 is long since rolled out on T-Mobile across the
> >>> U.S., predating their rollout of LTE. Their prefix is 2607:fb90 ... On
> >>> some phones, you may need to configure the APN as per the instructions
> >>> in this old page:
> >>> 
> >>> https://sites.google.com/site/tmoipv6/lg-mytouch
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> Anecdotaly I can offer that the mobile roaming is working far better in
> >>> recent months. Meaning, that once upon a time I would lose connectivity
> >>> moving from my inhome wifi down my elevator and out the front door of my
> >>> building. In the bad old days this even sometimes cancelled my Uber, and
> >>> I had to rerequest my Uber ride. No more. Transitions are now perfectly
> >>> smooth for me.
> >>> 
> >>> And, yes, Hurrican Electric rocks. If I ever need a colo server again,
> >>> I'm starting with HE.
> >>> 
> >>> Janina
> >>> 
> >>> Scott Granados writes:
>  FYI FIOS is rolling out V6 now.  It’s not in my area yet but it is under 
>  way.  There’s also talk of which routers you need to support it, luckily 
>  mine is one of the models that does.  
>  
>  Like you I used a tunnel breaker before, in my case I worked with 
>  Hurricane electric but there are many options.  Hurricane electric was 
>  nice because they had many pops to choose from so I could find the one 
>  closest to me to use.  You’re right though, nothing beats native V6.  To 
>  me though, the Comcast performance problems just weren’t worth V

Re: RIP AirPort? Apple may abandon wireless routers and Time Capsule

2016-11-26 Thread Scott Granados

I’ll tell you what I remember about UUNet, $40,000 monthly for a DS3.:). Seems 
like another life time ago.  Another thing I remember vividly about UUNet was 
when they went from an open peering network to very closed and depeered with 
everyone, including me.:). Then again I was always an open peering guy myself 
but that’s me.
 
People still see Verizon on my resume and try to get me to point them at 
someone who will be open to peering.


> On Nov 26, 2016, at 9:28 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Ah, WorldCom. How well I remember the days of dialup around the planet
> with my local access number for uu.net!
> 
> I had to place an international call for tech support on my first trip
> to Japan. I'd not previously encountered stutter tone as dialtone, and I
> couldn't remember the Hayes command to ignore and just dial. After that,
> I carried my Hayes commands around in a file, just in case.
> 
> Then there was that hotel in Birmingham, U.K. whith the funny terminator
> plug--never did learn its RJ number, but I still have the cable for some
> reason.
> 
> I didn't see the article you mention about mac addresses, but they're
> certainly spoofable. I have a Netgear 24 port switch around here
> somewhere that supports spoofing mac addresses. As far as I'm aware,
> though, none of mine are spoofed.
> 
> We are now past the day of IPv4 exhaustion, though:
> 
> http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/07/us-exhausts-new-ipv4-addresses-waitlist-begins/
> 
> Janina
> 
> 
> Jonathan Cohn writes:
>> Well, I am in Northern Virginia about 3 blocks away from where UUNET HQ was 
>> in the 1990's. They eventually moved out west of Dulles Airport in 1999 / 
>> 2000 after being bought by WorldCom. Why do I mention UUNET? Because Verizon 
>> bought WorldCom for pennies on the dollar after fraudulent  accounting was 
>> exposed.  Unless I am missing something, FIOS here in Northern Virginia 
>> still does not have IPv6 capabilities. 
>> 
>> Did anybody see in that Arz Technica review about how IPv6 addresses in 
>> MacOS are not linked to the MAC address?but are randomized for outgoing 
>> connections? Is this standard practice now for IPv6?
>> 
>> 
>>  Best wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan Cohn 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 26, 2016, at 9:02 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi, Scott:
>>> 
>>> Wow! Believe it or not, I remember that Verizon IPv6 page. It gave me
>>> hope while I still had FiOS at my last address over 5 years ago! As I
>>> recall, they were testing dual stack with Verizon employees in Northern
>>> Virginia.
>>> 
>>> What seems to be missing, and I went and looked, is anykind of timeline
>>> or milestones. Years ago I had bookmarked a page where you could find
>>> out where they were laying fiber next, state by state, but I no longer
>>> have that link.
>>> 
>>> I do have the ARIN page for T-Mobile IPv6 for you, though:
>>> 
>>> http://whois.arin.net/rest/net/NET6-2607-FB90-1
>>> 
>>> So, any device you have on T-Mo should certainly have an address in the
>>> 2607:FB90::/32 block. If it doesn't, I'd seriously look at the APNs
>>> under Settings.
>>> 
>>> Janina
>>> 
>>> Scott Granados writes:
 Hi Janina, here is a page detailing IPV6 on VZ.  This looks somewhat out 
 of date but it’s the only thing I could find that’s officially from VZ.
 
 https://www.verizon.com/support/consumer/consumer-education/ipv6 
 
 
 Also found a publication that shows IPV6 at about 80% deployed on the 
 wireless network.  Talk about taking your sweet time!  Thanks for the 
 T-Mobile pointer, I’m going to check that out now considering I have 
 several data devices and it didn’t seem to be enabled.
 
 Thank you again
 
> On Nov 26, 2016, at 3:02 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> This is good to know, Scott. I'm glad they're finally rolling IPv6 on
> FiOS. Do you know if they have a page documenting their rollout?
> 
> For the record Ipv6 is long since rolled out on T-Mobile across the
> U.S., predating their rollout of LTE. Their prefix is 2607:fb90 ... On
> some phones, you may need to configure the APN as per the instructions
> in this old page:
> 
> https://sites.google.com/site/tmoipv6/lg-mytouch
> 
> 
> Anecdotaly I can offer that the mobile roaming is working far better in
> recent months. Meaning, that once upon a time I would lose connectivity
> moving from my inhome wifi down my elevator and out the front door of my
> building. In the bad old days this even sometimes cancelled my Uber, and
> I had to rerequest my Uber ride. No more. Transitions are now perfectly
> smooth for me.
> 
> And, yes, Hurrican Electric rocks. If I ever need a colo server again,
> I'm starting with HE.
> 
> Janina
> 
> Scott Granados writes:
>> FY

Re: RIP AirPort? Apple may abandon wireless routers and Time Capsule

2016-11-26 Thread 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries

Ah, T3. How I used to drool over those speeds--beyond the range of the
possible, and why would you ever need that much as a single user? 
And, here today's it's barely qualifying as broadband speed!

I hear you about open peering, but would you want your Netflicks stream
to come across that way? After all, the Internet's fundamental design
predicates asyncronous packet switching--kind of a problem where steady
throughput is a primary requirement.

Scott Granados writes:
> I’ll tell you what I remember about UUNet, $40,000 monthly for a DS3.:). 
> Seems like another life time ago.  Another thing I remember vividly about 
> UUNet was when they went from an open peering network to very closed and 
> depeered with everyone, including me.:). Then again I was always an open 
> peering guy myself but that’s me.
>  
> People still see Verizon on my resume and try to get me to point them at 
> someone who will be open to peering.
> 
> 
> > On Nov 26, 2016, at 9:28 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Ah, WorldCom. How well I remember the days of dialup around the planet
> > with my local access number for uu.net!
> > 
> > I had to place an international call for tech support on my first trip
> > to Japan. I'd not previously encountered stutter tone as dialtone, and I
> > couldn't remember the Hayes command to ignore and just dial. After that,
> > I carried my Hayes commands around in a file, just in case.
> > 
> > Then there was that hotel in Birmingham, U.K. whith the funny terminator
> > plug--never did learn its RJ number, but I still have the cable for some
> > reason.
> > 
> > I didn't see the article you mention about mac addresses, but they're
> > certainly spoofable. I have a Netgear 24 port switch around here
> > somewhere that supports spoofing mac addresses. As far as I'm aware,
> > though, none of mine are spoofed.
> > 
> > We are now past the day of IPv4 exhaustion, though:
> > 
> > http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/07/us-exhausts-new-ipv4-addresses-waitlist-begins/
> > 
> > Janina
> > 
> > 
> > Jonathan Cohn writes:
> >> Well, I am in Northern Virginia about 3 blocks away from where UUNET HQ 
> >> was in the 1990's. They eventually moved out west of Dulles Airport in 
> >> 1999 / 2000 after being bought by WorldCom. Why do I mention UUNET? 
> >> Because Verizon bought WorldCom for pennies on the dollar after fraudulent 
> >>  accounting was exposed.  Unless I am missing something, FIOS here in 
> >> Northern Virginia still does not have IPv6 capabilities. 
> >> 
> >> Did anybody see in that Arz Technica review about how IPv6 addresses in 
> >> MacOS are not linked to the MAC address?but are randomized for outgoing 
> >> connections? Is this standard practice now for IPv6?
> >> 
> >> 
> >>Best wishes,
> >> 
> >> Jonathan Cohn 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >>> On Nov 26, 2016, at 9:02 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >>>  wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> Hi, Scott:
> >>> 
> >>> Wow! Believe it or not, I remember that Verizon IPv6 page. It gave me
> >>> hope while I still had FiOS at my last address over 5 years ago! As I
> >>> recall, they were testing dual stack with Verizon employees in Northern
> >>> Virginia.
> >>> 
> >>> What seems to be missing, and I went and looked, is anykind of timeline
> >>> or milestones. Years ago I had bookmarked a page where you could find
> >>> out where they were laying fiber next, state by state, but I no longer
> >>> have that link.
> >>> 
> >>> I do have the ARIN page for T-Mobile IPv6 for you, though:
> >>> 
> >>> http://whois.arin.net/rest/net/NET6-2607-FB90-1
> >>> 
> >>> So, any device you have on T-Mo should certainly have an address in the
> >>> 2607:FB90::/32 block. If it doesn't, I'd seriously look at the APNs
> >>> under Settings.
> >>> 
> >>> Janina
> >>> 
> >>> Scott Granados writes:
>  Hi Janina, here is a page detailing IPV6 on VZ.  This looks somewhat out 
>  of date but it’s the only thing I could find that’s officially from VZ.
>  
>  https://www.verizon.com/support/consumer/consumer-education/ipv6 
>  
>  
>  Also found a publication that shows IPV6 at about 80% deployed on the 
>  wireless network.  Talk about taking your sweet time!  Thanks for the 
>  T-Mobile pointer, I’m going to check that out now considering I have 
>  several data devices and it didn’t seem to be enabled.
>  
>  Thank you again
>  
> > On Nov 26, 2016, at 3:02 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > This is good to know, Scott. I'm glad they're finally rolling IPv6 on
> > FiOS. Do you know if they have a page documenting their rollout?
> > 
> > For the record Ipv6 is long since rolled out on T-Mobile across the
> > U.S., predating their rollout of LTE. Their prefix is 2607:fb90 ... On
> > some phones, you may need to configure the APN as per the instructions
> > i

Re: RIP AirPort? Apple may abandon wireless routers and Time Capsule

2016-11-26 Thread Scott Granados

Well, first, I had actually built one of the first privately held rings so I 
was bringing in circuits of all sizes.  I had a DS3 run in to my mother’s house 
at one point where I started my first ISP and then we moved we went to an OC12 
then OC48 configuration with channel cards breaking out all sorts of sized 
circuits.  That was huge bandwidth for the time.  We take for granted now how 
difficult even 100 megabits was at one time to deliver.

As for peering, we’re getting in the weeds but yes, I would be totally 
fine with my Netflix delivered via open peering infrastructure.  In fact, I 
believe Netflix does have a fairly open peering policy and will connect to most 
networks who request it directly.  Certainly Akamai does this and they 
distribute a ton of media and by a ton I mean 60+ terabits or more at a time 
during peeks.  Apple computer is another open peering company, I have peered 
with them several times.  Hurricane electric is most definitely another and you 
already know how good their service is.  Most of your Asian players like KDDI, 
Koreatel, China Telecom and on and on have very open peering policies.  Even 
NTT America is quote open as long as you meet in multiple places and aren’t a 
customer.  Your real restrictive players are the big telecoms like Verizon, 
Sprint, AT&T, Level3 and so forth.  For example, with level3 they require 
meeting them in 15 cities with a gigabit or more traffic per location and a 
ratio of no more than 1.5 to 1 traffic flows in each direction.  (This policy 
is published so I’m not releasing anything proprietary here). That’s pretty 
restrictive for most and probably made even more so since I’ve last looked.  
Open peering to me gives a better experience than these closed models.  Closed 
models tend to suffer do to costs involved by paying customers as well as big 
companies like your AT&T companies of the world just don’t manage their peers 
very well at all.  Open peers get the traffic closer to the end customer, fewer 
hops and you can simply not peer with customers as a policy.  The big peering 
points like your Equinixes and Switch and Datas of the world have very 
uncongested public peering switches which make it easy to interconnect and 
reasonable cross connect prices for private interconnection.  Two more very big 
examples of open peering are Google who peers with anybody anywhere and Amazon. 
 I think their video distributes just fine.  I have a Fire TV that delivers me 
uninterrupted very clean 4K video.  I’ve been enjoying the new Grand Tour show 
which is the replacement show with the 3 top gear guys and it’s delivered 
better, with more video data and better audio than even my FIOS television 
boxes.  So yes, my answer stands, I would be happy to receive my content via 
peered connection rather than paid settlement.  I would assume that your 
googles and Amazons do meet the requirements of UUNet and Sprint’s etc, when I 
traceroute to google from my home here I go directly to UUNet then Google via a 
core port, not a customer gateway so it looks to be settlement free.  More 
connections are better in more places.;)

> On Nov 26, 2016, at 10:19 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Ah, T3. How I used to drool over those speeds--beyond the range of the
> possible, and why would you ever need that much as a single user? 
> And, here today's it's barely qualifying as broadband speed!
> 
> I hear you about open peering, but would you want your Netflicks stream
> to come across that way? After all, the Internet's fundamental design
> predicates asyncronous packet switching--kind of a problem where steady
> throughput is a primary requirement.
> 
> Scott Granados writes:
>> I’ll tell you what I remember about UUNet, $40,000 monthly for a DS3.:). 
>> Seems like another life time ago.  Another thing I remember vividly about 
>> UUNet was when they went from an open peering network to very closed and 
>> depeered with everyone, including me.:). Then again I was always an open 
>> peering guy myself but that’s me.
>> 
>> People still see Verizon on my resume and try to get me to point them at 
>> someone who will be open to peering.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 26, 2016, at 9:28 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ah, WorldCom. How well I remember the days of dialup around the planet
>>> with my local access number for uu.net!
>>> 
>>> I had to place an international call for tech support on my first trip
>>> to Japan. I'd not previously encountered stutter tone as dialtone, and I
>>> couldn't remember the Hayes command to ignore and just dial. After that,
>>> I carried my Hayes commands around in a file, just in case.
>>> 
>>> Then there was that hotel in Birmingham, U.K. whith the funny terminator
>>> plug--never did learn its RJ number, but I still have the cable for some
>>> reason.
>>> 
>>> I didn't see the article you mention about mac addresses, but they're
>>> certainly spoofable. I have a Netgear 24 p

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2016-11-26 Thread 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries

Thanks, Scott. It's quite clear to me that you know a lot more about the
who's who at this level than I do. I defer to you on this. I've just learned a 
lot, and I thank
you for that.

Seems to me if companies like Akamai, who I understand makes a business
of media delivery, are happy with, and perhaps even prefer open peering,
I see not reason not to support the approach. Besides, I've always been
disinclined to support King of the Hill monopolies.


Scott Granados writes:
> Well, first, I had actually built one of the first privately held rings so I 
> was bringing in circuits of all sizes.  I had a DS3 run in to my mother’s 
> house at one point where I started my first ISP and then we moved we went to 
> an OC12 then OC48 configuration with channel cards breaking out all sorts of 
> sized circuits.  That was huge bandwidth for the time.  We take for granted 
> now how difficult even 100 megabits was at one time to deliver.
> 
>   As for peering, we’re getting in the weeds but yes, I would be totally 
> fine with my Netflix delivered via open peering infrastructure.  In fact, I 
> believe Netflix does have a fairly open peering policy and will connect to 
> most networks who request it directly.  Certainly Akamai does this and they 
> distribute a ton of media and by a ton I mean 60+ terabits or more at a time 
> during peeks.  Apple computer is another open peering company, I have peered 
> with them several times.  Hurricane electric is most definitely another and 
> you already know how good their service is.  Most of your Asian players like 
> KDDI, Koreatel, China Telecom and on and on have very open peering policies.  
> Even NTT America is quote open as long as you meet in multiple places and 
> aren’t a customer.  Your real restrictive players are the big telecoms like 
> Verizon, Sprint, AT&T, Level3 and so forth.  For example, with level3 they 
> require meeting them in 15 cities with a gigabit or more traffic per location 
> and a ratio of no more than 1.5 to 1 traffic flows in each direction.  (This 
> policy is published so I’m not releasing anything proprietary here). That’s 
> pretty restrictive for most and probably made even more so since I’ve last 
> looked.  Open peering to me gives a better experience than these closed 
> models.  Closed models tend to suffer do to costs involved by paying 
> customers as well as big companies like your AT&T companies of the world just 
> don’t manage their peers very well at all.  Open peers get the traffic closer 
> to the end customer, fewer hops and you can simply not peer with customers as 
> a policy.  The big peering points like your Equinixes and Switch and Datas of 
> the world have very uncongested public peering switches which make it easy to 
> interconnect and reasonable cross connect prices for private interconnection. 
>  Two more very big examples of open peering are Google who peers with anybody 
> anywhere and Amazon.  I think their video distributes just fine.  I have a 
> Fire TV that delivers me uninterrupted very clean 4K video.  I’ve been 
> enjoying the new Grand Tour show which is the replacement show with the 3 top 
> gear guys and it’s delivered better, with more video data and better audio 
> than even my FIOS television boxes.  So yes, my answer stands, I would be 
> happy to receive my content via peered connection rather than paid 
> settlement.  I would assume that your googles and Amazons do meet the 
> requirements of UUNet and Sprint’s etc, when I traceroute to google from my 
> home here I go directly to UUNet then Google via a core port, not a customer 
> gateway so it looks to be settlement free.  More connections are better in 
> more places.;)
> 
>  
> 
> > On Nov 26, 2016, at 10:19 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Ah, T3. How I used to drool over those speeds--beyond the range of the
> > possible, and why would you ever need that much as a single user? 
> > And, here today's it's barely qualifying as broadband speed!
> > 
> > I hear you about open peering, but would you want your Netflicks stream
> > to come across that way? After all, the Internet's fundamental design
> > predicates asyncronous packet switching--kind of a problem where steady
> > throughput is a primary requirement.
> > 
> > Scott Granados writes:
> >> I’ll tell you what I remember about UUNet, $40,000 monthly for a DS3.:). 
> >> Seems like another life time ago.  Another thing I remember vividly about 
> >> UUNet was when they went from an open peering network to very closed and 
> >> depeered with everyone, including me.:). Then again I was always an open 
> >> peering guy myself but that’s me.
> >> 
> >> People still see Verizon on my resume and try to get me to point them at 
> >> someone who will be open to peering.
> >> 
> >> 
> >>> On Nov 26, 2016, at 9:28 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >>>  wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> Ah, WorldCom. How well I remember the days of dialup around the planet
> >>> with my

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