Re: Google Chrome, ChromeVox, and Apps
Google Chrome 16 Canary has many experimental features, is very unstable, will crash, and is not recommended for use with ChromeVox or production use. Please use Chrome 14 stable with ChromeVox extension. After enabling experimental extension APIs, restart Chrome, download ChromeVox, navigate to popup with CTRL-F7, select continue, install, and restart Chrome, and ChromeVox will come up talking. Kevin On 10/1/11, Bob Hill wrote: > Hi all, > > I downloaded Google chrome canary this morning, opened up the disk image, > copied the app to my applications folder. > When I attempted to open the application, I got the google chrome canary > app, but it said that there were no windows. > No menu bar, nothing to work with. > I then went and downloaded and installed the regular Chrome browser, did the > same things, and that one opened up just fine. > > Is anyone else having the same issues? > > Thanks. > > Bob Hill > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Google Chrome, ChromeVox, and Apps
Hi all, I downloaded Google chrome canary this morning, opened up the disk image, copied the app to my applications folder. When I attempted to open the application, I got the google chrome canary app, but it said that there were no windows. No menu bar, nothing to work with. I then went and downloaded and installed the regular Chrome browser, did the same things, and that one opened up just fine. Is anyone else having the same issues? Thanks. Bob Hill -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Google Chrome, ChromeVox, and Apps
I can't get the chromevox extension installed here at all. I get a message saying that the package is unreadable. Has anyone else seen this? Doug Sent from my iPhone On 2011-09-29, at 7:23 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: > Hi all, > I managed to get my chromevox installed and i tested it, and as is so common > amongst us i will now give my thoughts, mostly complaints about it. > I think Chromevox has potential. The navigation, as long as it's basic is > quite nice. I put it through its paces on a swedish site to buy tickets for > one of our railway companies, because it's quite a challenge with any screen > reader. Among the pros are that you can as they put it "zoom in on things" by > navigating by group, object, sentence, word etc. That is very cool. The first > little oddity i found had to do with combo box navigation: > I found that when i tried to navigate a combo box, nothing was spoken. > Luckily i knew what was in the combo box, so when i typed something, like a > number everything worked well. > Now i come to the cons of this screen reader, and to not make the same > mistakes as those who did the voiceover review some years back, i want to > point out that these are my initial impressions, that i could be very wrong > in my assumtions and that i really do want to be corrected if i am wrong > indeed. > The most problematic area in Chromevox as of now is the table navigation > which in my, i repeat my opinion is clumcy especially if you like me have a > keyboard with ctrl only on the left hand side and no insert whatsoever. To > navigate through a table you have to press ctrl+alt+t and then another > letter. The navigation options are quite logical, but as you have to use both > hands when trying to find letters to press and as the ctrl key is only to > the left and there's no way of putting Chromevox into what they referr to as > "sticky mode", it gets awquard and time consuming. > Another thing i hoped for but that doesn't seem to be there, is the > possibility to change voices. It seems only to use the default system voice. > Let's hope all this is addressed in an upcoming version, and as i said, if i > have misunderstood anything of this, please let me know. I don't want to > totally diss Chromevox yet, because i think it's got potential as i said, but > for now i have inactivated the addon. > /Krister > 29 sep 2011 kl. 05:04 skrev Chris Blouch: > >> "Skype, IM, and other alerts/notifications will still work within >> Chrome/ChromeVox, provided their enabled with whatever method." >> >> Interesting. So you're saying that with Chrome/ChromeVox enabled it becomes >> the screen reader and I no longer need voiceover to hear notification from >> other apps such as Skype, AIM, or Adium? I wonder how they do that? So when >> you say they are enabled with some method, what does that mean? Ad you >> saying that as long as they hook into the apple accessibility apis correctly >> ChromeVox should pick up the events? >> >> CB >> >> On 9/27/11 9:20 PM, Kevin Chao wrote: >>> Voiceover must be off within Chrome, completely off, more than just >>> sounds/TTS being muted. With ChromeVox extension, it becomes the >>> screen reader. ChromeVox keys are same as VoiceOver ones. CMD-F5 is a >>> very effective and efficient way to toggle ON/OFF VoiceOver, it's only >>> one command with no confirmation dialog box. >>> >>> In the case of wanting to flip to a different application, such as >>> VOIP, IM, Mail, Finder, etc. Most of which are possible using Google >>> apps or WebApps. CMD-F5 to turn on VoiceOver, do whatever you need >>> outside of Chrome/ChromeVox, flip back in, turn off VoiceOver. Skype, >>> IM, and other alerts/notifications will still work within >>> Chrome/ChromeVox, provided their enabled with whatever method. >>> >>> Please in my original message, all the links, downloads, help, >>> instructions, etc. were provided, but I'll place them right here: >>> Google Chrome Canary (Mac/Windows platform powering ChromeVox/Apps): >>> http://j.mp/oWZ7Of >>> Installing ChromeVox as a packed extension >>> http://j.mp/nmnNR5 >>> ChromeVox User Guide: >>> http://t.co/b9ABBkv >>> Use Google Docs with a screen reader >>> http://goo.gl/cmeHV >>> Google accessibility feedback: >>> http://goo.gl/wePru >>> >>> >>> Kevin >>> >>> On 9/27/11, Chris Blouch wrote: Odd. So you have to disable the screen reader to use it? What if I want to flip over to answer a Skype or IM while I'm wordprocessing? How will I even know that someone is calling? What if I want to navigate to the finder and copy a file? Howabout reading my email in mail app to copy paste some text into a Google Doc file? Requiring the screen reader to be turned off for their web app to work seems very problematic. CB On 9/27/11 8:36 AM, Kevin Chao wrote: > Hi Krister, > Pleas see response below inline. > On 9/27/11, Krister Ekstrom wrote: >> Hi, >>
Re: Google Chrome, ChromeVox, and Apps
Hi all, I managed to get my chromevox installed and i tested it, and as is so common amongst us i will now give my thoughts, mostly complaints about it. I think Chromevox has potential. The navigation, as long as it's basic is quite nice. I put it through its paces on a swedish site to buy tickets for one of our railway companies, because it's quite a challenge with any screen reader. Among the pros are that you can as they put it "zoom in on things" by navigating by group, object, sentence, word etc. That is very cool. The first little oddity i found had to do with combo box navigation: I found that when i tried to navigate a combo box, nothing was spoken. Luckily i knew what was in the combo box, so when i typed something, like a number everything worked well. Now i come to the cons of this screen reader, and to not make the same mistakes as those who did the voiceover review some years back, i want to point out that these are my initial impressions, that i could be very wrong in my assumtions and that i really do want to be corrected if i am wrong indeed. The most problematic area in Chromevox as of now is the table navigation which in my, i repeat my opinion is clumcy especially if you like me have a keyboard with ctrl only on the left hand side and no insert whatsoever. To navigate through a table you have to press ctrl+alt+t and then another letter. The navigation options are quite logical, but as you have to use both hands when trying to find letters to press and as the ctrl key is only to the left and there's no way of putting Chromevox into what they referr to as "sticky mode", it gets awquard and time consuming. Another thing i hoped for but that doesn't seem to be there, is the possibility to change voices. It seems only to use the default system voice. Let's hope all this is addressed in an upcoming version, and as i said, if i have misunderstood anything of this, please let me know. I don't want to totally diss Chromevox yet, because i think it's got potential as i said, but for now i have inactivated the addon. /Krister 29 sep 2011 kl. 05:04 skrev Chris Blouch: > "Skype, IM, and other alerts/notifications will still work within > Chrome/ChromeVox, provided their enabled with whatever method." > > Interesting. So you're saying that with Chrome/ChromeVox enabled it becomes > the screen reader and I no longer need voiceover to hear notification from > other apps such as Skype, AIM, or Adium? I wonder how they do that? So when > you say they are enabled with some method, what does that mean? Ad you saying > that as long as they hook into the apple accessibility apis correctly > ChromeVox should pick up the events? > > CB > > On 9/27/11 9:20 PM, Kevin Chao wrote: >> Voiceover must be off within Chrome, completely off, more than just >> sounds/TTS being muted. With ChromeVox extension, it becomes the >> screen reader. ChromeVox keys are same as VoiceOver ones. CMD-F5 is a >> very effective and efficient way to toggle ON/OFF VoiceOver, it's only >> one command with no confirmation dialog box. >> >> In the case of wanting to flip to a different application, such as >> VOIP, IM, Mail, Finder, etc. Most of which are possible using Google >> apps or WebApps. CMD-F5 to turn on VoiceOver, do whatever you need >> outside of Chrome/ChromeVox, flip back in, turn off VoiceOver. Skype, >> IM, and other alerts/notifications will still work within >> Chrome/ChromeVox, provided their enabled with whatever method. >> >> Please in my original message, all the links, downloads, help, >> instructions, etc. were provided, but I'll place them right here: >> Google Chrome Canary (Mac/Windows platform powering ChromeVox/Apps): >> http://j.mp/oWZ7Of >> Installing ChromeVox as a packed extension >> http://j.mp/nmnNR5 >> ChromeVox User Guide: >> http://t.co/b9ABBkv >> Use Google Docs with a screen reader >> http://goo.gl/cmeHV >> Google accessibility feedback: >> http://goo.gl/wePru >> >> >> Kevin >> >> On 9/27/11, Chris Blouch wrote: >>> Odd. So you have to disable the screen reader to use it? What if I want >>> to flip over to answer a Skype or IM while I'm wordprocessing? How will >>> I even know that someone is calling? What if I want to navigate to the >>> finder and copy a file? Howabout reading my email in mail app to copy >>> paste some text into a Google Doc file? Requiring the screen reader to >>> be turned off for their web app to work seems very problematic. >>> >>> CB >>> >>> On 9/27/11 8:36 AM, Kevin Chao wrote: Hi Krister, Pleas see response below inline. On 9/27/11, Krister Ekstrom wrote: > Hi, > Chrome is as i recall and judging of how it looks on the web page > opensource, which according to my experience means very messy web site > and > documentation. ChroemVox and parts of Chrome are open source, but website and documentation are very nicely laid out, efficient, andeffective. > Having said all this, i would li
Re: Google Chrome, ChromeVox, and Apps
Hi! Yes when in vo commands just down arrow to the audio and right arrow into it and the mute vo toggle is in that menu! There is no key commands listed, so safer to make it a commander shortcut first! If you vo space on it! Then the vo will mute and you might not be able to get back to turn it on again! Colin On 27 Sep 2011, at 19:04, Chris Blouch wrote: > VO+h+h just brings up help for me on OSX 10.6. Is there something else I need > to do first? > > CB > > On 9/27/11 12:21 PM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: >> If the Mute VO toggle temporarily turned vo off, or put it to sleep so that >> the commands of VO wouldn't interact with those of ChromeVox, the answer >> would be yes. >> /Krister >> 27 sep 2011 kl. 17:56 skrev Red.Falcon: >> >>> Hi! >>> Would the mute vo toggle in vo+h+h in audio be useful for this! >>> That could be set to any of the commanders like keyboard or one of the >>> others! >>> There is also mute speech but not sure if that one would be useful! >>> Colin >>> >>> On 27 Sep 2011, at 16:38, Chris Blouch wrote: >>> Is there a way to configure VO to 'sleep' while a certain app is active. I know screen readers on other platforms have this capability. I hunted around for a while and couldn't turn up anything related to changing VO settings depending on what app you're in, not to mention turning it off. I guess somebody could do an Applescript to invoke Apple-F5 every time you switch to Chrome but that seems like a lot of churn, and still doesn't address other VO-enabled apps needing to still work. CB On 9/27/11 11:04 AM, Larry Skutchan wrote: > Another nice feature would be that Chrome Vox would remain silent when > Chrome does not have focus. > > On Sep 27, 2011, at 10:28 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: > >> This would be where activities in Voiceover would really come in handy. >> Let's say that there was a setting to temporarily put VO to sleep, is >> there such a beast? If so, one could do an activity that was for Chrome >> and that put VO to sleep as long as you were in chrome, but when you got >> out of it, VO would work as expected. Unfortunately however, i don't >> think such a setting exists. Maybe one should put in a suggestion for >> this to Apple a11y. >> >> /Krister >> 27 sep 2011 kl. 16:16 skrev Chris Blouch: >> >>> Odd. So you have to disable the screen reader to use it? What if I want >>> to flip over to answer a Skype or IM while I'm wordprocessing? How will >>> I even know that someone is calling? What if I want to navigate to the >>> finder and copy a file? Howabout reading my email in mail app to copy >>> paste some text into a Google Doc file? Requiring the screen reader to >>> be turned off for their web app to work seems very problematic. >>> >>> CB >>> >>> On 9/27/11 8:36 AM, Kevin Chao wrote: Hi Krister, Pleas see response below inline. On 9/27/11, Krister Ekstromwrote: > Hi, > Chrome is as i recall and judging of how it looks on the web page > opensource, which according to my experience means very messy web > site and > documentation. ChroemVox and parts of Chrome are open source, but website and documentation are very nicely laid out, efficient, andeffective. > Having said all this, i would like to know where i can obtain > the chromevox extension. So i wonder where to get the extension. can > i get > it directly from chrome using something or other to get extensions? Please see my original message, which started this thread, which is still part of conversation and contained within this message for all the links to all the details you'll need to get going. > Do i have to turn vo off every time i want to use the browser? Yes, it's one very effective and effective command away, CMD-F5. > /Krister > 27 sep 2011 kl. 13:56 skrev Kevin Chao: > >> HI Paul, >> >> Please see response below inline. >> >> On 9/27/11, Paul Erkenswrote: >>> Hi Kevin, >>> What things did you actually achieve with the google stuff you are >>> so >>> happy >>> about? Google docs has been a problem for a long time. I know that >>> people >>> have been working on it in cooperation with google, and that alone >>> is >>> already exciting, but I'm curious about a few things before I dive >>> in. >> As a college student and an employee where professors, students, and >> co-workers are all using Google Docs. It's extremely exciting, >> empowering, and equalising that I am able to use it as well with a >> consistent and unified experience on Mac OS X and other platforms. >>
Re: Google Chrome, ChromeVox, and Apps
VO+h+h just brings up help for me on OSX 10.6. Is there something else I need to do first? CB On 9/27/11 12:21 PM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: If the Mute VO toggle temporarily turned vo off, or put it to sleep so that the commands of VO wouldn't interact with those of ChromeVox, the answer would be yes. /Krister 27 sep 2011 kl. 17:56 skrev Red.Falcon: Hi! Would the mute vo toggle in vo+h+h in audio be useful for this! That could be set to any of the commanders like keyboard or one of the others! There is also mute speech but not sure if that one would be useful! Colin On 27 Sep 2011, at 16:38, Chris Blouch wrote: Is there a way to configure VO to 'sleep' while a certain app is active. I know screen readers on other platforms have this capability. I hunted around for a while and couldn't turn up anything related to changing VO settings depending on what app you're in, not to mention turning it off. I guess somebody could do an Applescript to invoke Apple-F5 every time you switch to Chrome but that seems like a lot of churn, and still doesn't address other VO-enabled apps needing to still work. CB On 9/27/11 11:04 AM, Larry Skutchan wrote: Another nice feature would be that Chrome Vox would remain silent when Chrome does not have focus. On Sep 27, 2011, at 10:28 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: This would be where activities in Voiceover would really come in handy. Let's say that there was a setting to temporarily put VO to sleep, is there such a beast? If so, one could do an activity that was for Chrome and that put VO to sleep as long as you were in chrome, but when you got out of it, VO would work as expected. Unfortunately however, i don't think such a setting exists. Maybe one should put in a suggestion for this to Apple a11y. /Krister 27 sep 2011 kl. 16:16 skrev Chris Blouch: Odd. So you have to disable the screen reader to use it? What if I want to flip over to answer a Skype or IM while I'm wordprocessing? How will I even know that someone is calling? What if I want to navigate to the finder and copy a file? Howabout reading my email in mail app to copy paste some text into a Google Doc file? Requiring the screen reader to be turned off for their web app to work seems very problematic. CB On 9/27/11 8:36 AM, Kevin Chao wrote: Hi Krister, Pleas see response below inline. On 9/27/11, Krister Ekstromwrote: Hi, Chrome is as i recall and judging of how it looks on the web page opensource, which according to my experience means very messy web site and documentation. ChroemVox and parts of Chrome are open source, but website and documentation are very nicely laid out, efficient, andeffective. Having said all this, i would like to know where i can obtain the chromevox extension. So i wonder where to get the extension. can i get it directly from chrome using something or other to get extensions? Please see my original message, which started this thread, which is still part of conversation and contained within this message for all the links to all the details you'll need to get going. Do i have to turn vo off every time i want to use the browser? Yes, it's one very effective and effective command away, CMD-F5. /Krister 27 sep 2011 kl. 13:56 skrev Kevin Chao: HI Paul, Please see response below inline. On 9/27/11, Paul Erkenswrote: Hi Kevin, What things did you actually achieve with the google stuff you are so happy about? Google docs has been a problem for a long time. I know that people have been working on it in cooperation with google, and that alone is already exciting, but I'm curious about a few things before I dive in. As a college student and an employee where professors, students, and co-workers are all using Google Docs. It's extremely exciting, empowering, and equalising that I am able to use it as well with a consistent and unified experience on Mac OS X and other platforms. For me, Mac OS X with the various productivity/office suite and web browser have not allowed me to be productive, such as iWork (also tried Open Office, Libra Office, Bean, and Tables) and Safari (also tried Webkit and Lightning) have not allowed me to be productive. However, Google has changed all of this. With Chrome, ChromeVox, Docs, and other Google Apps; I am able to be productive on my Mac. 1. When you start to use chrome, which is just another browser, like safari is the main one on the mac, can you use the chrome browser with voiceover to start with? Voiceover will work with Chrome, but the very same issues that occurs with Safari will exist, such as focus lost, inability to interact with HTML content, web rotor/item chooser missing elements/items, lag, TAB key being inconsistent, moving among various HTML elements will require several attempts, and many other issues. 2. If you can, what does the chromevox extension give you on top of it? If you can not use chrome with voiceover, does chrome plus chromevox then give you equal performance than safari does, when visi
Re: Google Chrome, ChromeVox, and Apps
If the Mute VO toggle temporarily turned vo off, or put it to sleep so that the commands of VO wouldn't interact with those of ChromeVox, the answer would be yes. /Krister 27 sep 2011 kl. 17:56 skrev Red.Falcon: > Hi! > Would the mute vo toggle in vo+h+h in audio be useful for this! > That could be set to any of the commanders like keyboard or one of the others! > There is also mute speech but not sure if that one would be useful! > Colin > > On 27 Sep 2011, at 16:38, Chris Blouch wrote: > >> Is there a way to configure VO to 'sleep' while a certain app is active. I >> know screen readers on other platforms have this capability. I hunted around >> for a while and couldn't turn up anything related to changing VO settings >> depending on what app you're in, not to mention turning it off. I guess >> somebody could do an Applescript to invoke Apple-F5 every time you switch to >> Chrome but that seems like a lot of churn, and still doesn't address other >> VO-enabled apps needing to still work. >> >> CB >> >> On 9/27/11 11:04 AM, Larry Skutchan wrote: >>> Another nice feature would be that Chrome Vox would remain silent when >>> Chrome does not have focus. >>> >>> On Sep 27, 2011, at 10:28 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: >>> This would be where activities in Voiceover would really come in handy. Let's say that there was a setting to temporarily put VO to sleep, is there such a beast? If so, one could do an activity that was for Chrome and that put VO to sleep as long as you were in chrome, but when you got out of it, VO would work as expected. Unfortunately however, i don't think such a setting exists. Maybe one should put in a suggestion for this to Apple a11y. /Krister 27 sep 2011 kl. 16:16 skrev Chris Blouch: > Odd. So you have to disable the screen reader to use it? What if I want > to flip over to answer a Skype or IM while I'm wordprocessing? How will I > even know that someone is calling? What if I want to navigate to the > finder and copy a file? Howabout reading my email in mail app to copy > paste some text into a Google Doc file? Requiring the screen reader to be > turned off for their web app to work seems very problematic. > > CB > > On 9/27/11 8:36 AM, Kevin Chao wrote: >> Hi Krister, >> Pleas see response below inline. >> On 9/27/11, Krister Ekstrom wrote: >>> Hi, >>> Chrome is as i recall and judging of how it looks on the web page >>> opensource, which according to my experience means very messy web site >>> and >>> documentation. >> ChroemVox and parts of Chrome are open source, but website and >> documentation are very nicely laid out, efficient, andeffective. >>> Having said all this, i would like to know where i can obtain >>> the chromevox extension. So i wonder where to get the extension. can i >>> get >>> it directly from chrome using something or other to get extensions? >> Please see my original message, which started this thread, which is >> still part of conversation and contained within this message for all >> the links to all the details you'll need to get going. >>> Do i have to turn vo off every time i want to use the browser? >> Yes, it's one very effective and effective command away, CMD-F5. >>> /Krister >>> 27 sep 2011 kl. 13:56 skrev Kevin Chao: >>> HI Paul, Please see response below inline. On 9/27/11, Paul Erkens wrote: > Hi Kevin, > What things did you actually achieve with the google stuff you are so > happy > about? Google docs has been a problem for a long time. I know that > people > have been working on it in cooperation with google, and that alone is > already exciting, but I'm curious about a few things before I dive in. As a college student and an employee where professors, students, and co-workers are all using Google Docs. It's extremely exciting, empowering, and equalising that I am able to use it as well with a consistent and unified experience on Mac OS X and other platforms. For me, Mac OS X with the various productivity/office suite and web browser have not allowed me to be productive, such as iWork (also tried Open Office, Libra Office, Bean, and Tables) and Safari (also tried Webkit and Lightning) have not allowed me to be productive. However, Google has changed all of this. With Chrome, ChromeVox, Docs, and other Google Apps; I am able to be productive on my Mac. > 1. When you start to use chrome, which is just another browser, like > safari > is the main one on the mac, can you use the chrome browser with > voiceover > to > start with? Voiceover will work with Chrome, but the very same issues
Re: Google Chrome, ChromeVox, and Apps
Hi! Would the mute vo toggle in vo+h+h in audio be useful for this! That could be set to any of the commanders like keyboard or one of the others! There is also mute speech but not sure if that one would be useful! Colin On 27 Sep 2011, at 16:38, Chris Blouch wrote: > Is there a way to configure VO to 'sleep' while a certain app is active. I > know screen readers on other platforms have this capability. I hunted around > for a while and couldn't turn up anything related to changing VO settings > depending on what app you're in, not to mention turning it off. I guess > somebody could do an Applescript to invoke Apple-F5 every time you switch to > Chrome but that seems like a lot of churn, and still doesn't address other > VO-enabled apps needing to still work. > > CB > > On 9/27/11 11:04 AM, Larry Skutchan wrote: >> Another nice feature would be that Chrome Vox would remain silent when >> Chrome does not have focus. >> >> On Sep 27, 2011, at 10:28 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: >> >>> This would be where activities in Voiceover would really come in handy. >>> Let's say that there was a setting to temporarily put VO to sleep, is there >>> such a beast? If so, one could do an activity that was for Chrome and that >>> put VO to sleep as long as you were in chrome, but when you got out of it, >>> VO would work as expected. Unfortunately however, i don't think such a >>> setting exists. Maybe one should put in a suggestion for this to Apple a11y. >>> >>> /Krister >>> 27 sep 2011 kl. 16:16 skrev Chris Blouch: >>> Odd. So you have to disable the screen reader to use it? What if I want to flip over to answer a Skype or IM while I'm wordprocessing? How will I even know that someone is calling? What if I want to navigate to the finder and copy a file? Howabout reading my email in mail app to copy paste some text into a Google Doc file? Requiring the screen reader to be turned off for their web app to work seems very problematic. CB On 9/27/11 8:36 AM, Kevin Chao wrote: > Hi Krister, > Pleas see response below inline. > On 9/27/11, Krister Ekstrom wrote: >> Hi, >> Chrome is as i recall and judging of how it looks on the web page >> opensource, which according to my experience means very messy web site >> and >> documentation. > ChroemVox and parts of Chrome are open source, but website and > documentation are very nicely laid out, efficient, andeffective. >> Having said all this, i would like to know where i can obtain >> the chromevox extension. So i wonder where to get the extension. can i >> get >> it directly from chrome using something or other to get extensions? > Please see my original message, which started this thread, which is > still part of conversation and contained within this message for all > the links to all the details you'll need to get going. >> Do i have to turn vo off every time i want to use the browser? > Yes, it's one very effective and effective command away, CMD-F5. >> /Krister >> 27 sep 2011 kl. 13:56 skrev Kevin Chao: >> >>> HI Paul, >>> >>> Please see response below inline. >>> >>> On 9/27/11, Paul Erkens wrote: Hi Kevin, What things did you actually achieve with the google stuff you are so happy about? Google docs has been a problem for a long time. I know that people have been working on it in cooperation with google, and that alone is already exciting, but I'm curious about a few things before I dive in. >>> As a college student and an employee where professors, students, and >>> co-workers are all using Google Docs. It's extremely exciting, >>> empowering, and equalising that I am able to use it as well with a >>> consistent and unified experience on Mac OS X and other platforms. For >>> me, Mac OS X with the various productivity/office suite and web >>> browser have not allowed me to be productive, such as iWork (also >>> tried Open Office, Libra Office, Bean, and Tables) and Safari (also >>> tried Webkit and Lightning) have not allowed me to be productive. >>> However, Google has changed all of this. With Chrome, ChromeVox, Docs, >>> and other Google Apps; I am able to be productive on my Mac. 1. When you start to use chrome, which is just another browser, like safari is the main one on the mac, can you use the chrome browser with voiceover to start with? >>> Voiceover will work with Chrome, but the very same issues that occurs >>> with Safari will exist, such as focus lost, inability to interact with >>> HTML content, web rotor/item chooser missing elements/items, lag, TAB >>> key being inconsistent, moving among various HTML elements will >>> require several attempts, and many other issues. 2. If you can, wh
Re: Google Chrome, ChromeVox, and Apps
Hi, I'm having trouble getting Chromevox to work, even though I've read the instructions to install it. I'm using the mac. Thanks, Courtney On Sep 27, 2011, at 11:38 AM, Chris Blouch wrote: > Is there a way to configure VO to 'sleep' while a certain app is active. I > know screen readers on other platforms have this capability. I hunted around > for a while and couldn't turn up anything related to changing VO settings > depending on what app you're in, not to mention turning it off. I guess > somebody could do an Applescript to invoke Apple-F5 every time you switch to > Chrome but that seems like a lot of churn, and still doesn't address other > VO-enabled apps needing to still work. > > CB > > On 9/27/11 11:04 AM, Larry Skutchan wrote: >> Another nice feature would be that Chrome Vox would remain silent when >> Chrome does not have focus. >> >> On Sep 27, 2011, at 10:28 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: >> >>> This would be where activities in Voiceover would really come in handy. >>> Let's say that there was a setting to temporarily put VO to sleep, is there >>> such a beast? If so, one could do an activity that was for Chrome and that >>> put VO to sleep as long as you were in chrome, but when you got out of it, >>> VO would work as expected. Unfortunately however, i don't think such a >>> setting exists. Maybe one should put in a suggestion for this to Apple a11y. >>> >>> /Krister >>> 27 sep 2011 kl. 16:16 skrev Chris Blouch: >>> Odd. So you have to disable the screen reader to use it? What if I want to flip over to answer a Skype or IM while I'm wordprocessing? How will I even know that someone is calling? What if I want to navigate to the finder and copy a file? Howabout reading my email in mail app to copy paste some text into a Google Doc file? Requiring the screen reader to be turned off for their web app to work seems very problematic. CB On 9/27/11 8:36 AM, Kevin Chao wrote: > Hi Krister, > Pleas see response below inline. > On 9/27/11, Krister Ekstrom wrote: >> Hi, >> Chrome is as i recall and judging of how it looks on the web page >> opensource, which according to my experience means very messy web site >> and >> documentation. > ChroemVox and parts of Chrome are open source, but website and > documentation are very nicely laid out, efficient, andeffective. >> Having said all this, i would like to know where i can obtain >> the chromevox extention. So i wonder where to get the extention. can i >> get >> it directly from chrome using something or other to get extentions? > Please see my original message, which started this thread, which is > still part of conversation and contained within this message for all > the links to all the details you'll need to get going. >> Do i have to turn vo off every time i want to use the browser? > Yes, it's one very effective and effective command away, CMD-F5. >> /Krister >> 27 sep 2011 kl. 13:56 skrev Kevin Chao: >> >>> HI Paul, >>> >>> Please see response below inline. >>> >>> On 9/27/11, Paul Erkens wrote: Hi Kevin, What things did you actually achieve with the google stuff you are so happy about? Google docs has been a problem for a long time. I know that people have been working on it in cooperation with google, and that alone is already exciting, but I'm curious about a few things before I dive in. >>> As a college student and an employee where professors, students, and >>> co-workers are all using Google Docs. It's extremely exciting, >>> empowering, and equalizing that I am able to use it as well with a >>> consistent and unified experience on Mac OS X and other platforms. For >>> me, Mac OS X with the various productivity/office suite and web >>> browser have not allowed me to be productive, such as iWork (also >>> tried Open Office, Libra Office, Bean, and Tables) and Safari (also >>> tried Webkit and Lightning) have not allowed me to be productive. >>> However, Google has changed all of this. With Chrome, ChromeVox, Docs, >>> and other Google Apps; I am able to be productive on my Mac. 1. When you start to use chrome, which is just another browser, like safari is the main one on the mac, can you use the chrome browser with voiceover to start with? >>> Voiceover will work with Chrome, but the very same issues that occurs >>> with Safari will exist, such as focus lost, inability to interact with >>> HTML content, web rotor/item chooser missing elements/items, lag, TAB >>> key being inconsistent, moving among various HTML elements will >>> require several attempts, and many other issues. 2. If you can, what does the chromevox extension give you on top of it? If y
Re: Google Chrome, ChromeVox, and Apps
Is there a way to configure VO to 'sleep' while a certain app is active. I know screen readers on other platforms have this capability. I hunted around for a while and couldn't turn up anything related to changing VO settings depending on what app you're in, not to mention turning it off. I guess somebody could do an Applescript to invoke Apple-F5 every time you switch to Chrome but that seems like a lot of churn, and still doesn't address other VO-enabled apps needing to still work. CB On 9/27/11 11:04 AM, Larry Skutchan wrote: Another nice feature would be that Chrome Vox would remain silent when Chrome does not have focus. On Sep 27, 2011, at 10:28 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: This would be where activities in Voiceover would really come in handy. Let's say that there was a setting to temporarily put VO to sleep, is there such a beast? If so, one could do an activity that was for Chrome and that put VO to sleep as long as you were in chrome, but when you got out of it, VO would work as expected. Unfortunately however, i don't think such a setting exists. Maybe one should put in a suggestion for this to Apple a11y. /Krister 27 sep 2011 kl. 16:16 skrev Chris Blouch: Odd. So you have to disable the screen reader to use it? What if I want to flip over to answer a Skype or IM while I'm wordprocessing? How will I even know that someone is calling? What if I want to navigate to the finder and copy a file? Howabout reading my email in mail app to copy paste some text into a Google Doc file? Requiring the screen reader to be turned off for their web app to work seems very problematic. CB On 9/27/11 8:36 AM, Kevin Chao wrote: Hi Krister, Pleas see response below inline. On 9/27/11, Krister Ekstrom wrote: Hi, Chrome is as i recall and judging of how it looks on the web page opensource, which according to my experience means very messy web site and documentation. ChroemVox and parts of Chrome are open source, but website and documentation are very nicely laid out, efficient, andeffective. Having said all this, i would like to know where i can obtain the chromevox extention. So i wonder where to get the extention. can i get it directly from chrome using something or other to get extentions? Please see my original message, which started this thread, which is still part of conversation and contained within this message for all the links to all the details you'll need to get going. Do i have to turn vo off every time i want to use the browser? Yes, it's one very effective and effective command away, CMD-F5. /Krister 27 sep 2011 kl. 13:56 skrev Kevin Chao: HI Paul, Please see response below inline. On 9/27/11, Paul Erkens wrote: Hi Kevin, What things did you actually achieve with the google stuff you are so happy about? Google docs has been a problem for a long time. I know that people have been working on it in cooperation with google, and that alone is already exciting, but I'm curious about a few things before I dive in. As a college student and an employee where professors, students, and co-workers are all using Google Docs. It's extremely exciting, empowering, and equalizing that I am able to use it as well with a consistent and unified experience on Mac OS X and other platforms. For me, Mac OS X with the various productivity/office suite and web browser have not allowed me to be productive, such as iWork (also tried Open Office, Libra Office, Bean, and Tables) and Safari (also tried Webkit and Lightning) have not allowed me to be productive. However, Google has changed all of this. With Chrome, ChromeVox, Docs, and other Google Apps; I am able to be productive on my Mac. 1. When you start to use chrome, which is just another browser, like safari is the main one on the mac, can you use the chrome browser with voiceover to start with? Voiceover will work with Chrome, but the very same issues that occurs with Safari will exist, such as focus lost, inability to interact with HTML content, web rotor/item chooser missing elements/items, lag, TAB key being inconsistent, moving among various HTML elements will require several attempts, and many other issues. 2. If you can, what does the chromevox extension give you on top of it? If you can not use chrome with voiceover, does chrome plus chromevox then give you equal performance than safari does, when visiting other websites? In other words, would you say that chrome is a good replacement for safari? ChromeVox is an extension that has very deep integration with Chrome, removes several layers of abstractions, and allows for things to be done that traditional desktop screen readers cannot due to it being a web browser extension. All the issues I detailed with Safari/VoiceOver do not exist in Chrome/ChromeVox. 3. When using google docs, is it true that many people can work on a document simultaneously, and can you now easily see who changed what? Yes, all of this is possible with Docs, is accessible, and it's possible to us
Re: Google Chrome, ChromeVox, and Apps
Another nice feature would be that Chrome Vox would remain silent when Chrome does not have focus. On Sep 27, 2011, at 10:28 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: > This would be where activities in Voiceover would really come in handy. Let's > say that there was a setting to temporarily put VO to sleep, is there such a > beast? If so, one could do an activity that was for Chrome and that put VO to > sleep as long as you were in chrome, but when you got out of it, VO would > work as expected. Unfortunately however, i don't think such a setting exists. > Maybe one should put in a suggestion for this to Apple a11y. > > /Krister > 27 sep 2011 kl. 16:16 skrev Chris Blouch: > >> Odd. So you have to disable the screen reader to use it? What if I want to >> flip over to answer a Skype or IM while I'm wordprocessing? How will I even >> know that someone is calling? What if I want to navigate to the finder and >> copy a file? Howabout reading my email in mail app to copy paste some text >> into a Google Doc file? Requiring the screen reader to be turned off for >> their web app to work seems very problematic. >> >> CB >> >> On 9/27/11 8:36 AM, Kevin Chao wrote: >>> Hi Krister, >>> Pleas see response below inline. >>> On 9/27/11, Krister Ekstrom wrote: Hi, Chrome is as i recall and judging of how it looks on the web page opensource, which according to my experience means very messy web site and documentation. >>> ChroemVox and parts of Chrome are open source, but website and >>> documentation are very nicely laid out, efficient, andeffective. Having said all this, i would like to know where i can obtain the chromevox extention. So i wonder where to get the extention. can i get it directly from chrome using something or other to get extentions? >>> Please see my original message, which started this thread, which is >>> still part of conversation and contained within this message for all >>> the links to all the details you'll need to get going. Do i have to turn vo off every time i want to use the browser? >>> Yes, it's one very effective and effective command away, CMD-F5. /Krister 27 sep 2011 kl. 13:56 skrev Kevin Chao: > HI Paul, > > Please see response below inline. > > On 9/27/11, Paul Erkens wrote: >> Hi Kevin, >> What things did you actually achieve with the google stuff you are so >> happy >> about? Google docs has been a problem for a long time. I know that people >> have been working on it in cooperation with google, and that alone is >> already exciting, but I'm curious about a few things before I dive in. > As a college student and an employee where professors, students, and > co-workers are all using Google Docs. It's extremely exciting, > empowering, and equalizing that I am able to use it as well with a > consistent and unified experience on Mac OS X and other platforms. For > me, Mac OS X with the various productivity/office suite and web > browser have not allowed me to be productive, such as iWork (also > tried Open Office, Libra Office, Bean, and Tables) and Safari (also > tried Webkit and Lightning) have not allowed me to be productive. > However, Google has changed all of this. With Chrome, ChromeVox, Docs, > and other Google Apps; I am able to be productive on my Mac. >> 1. When you start to use chrome, which is just another browser, like >> safari >> is the main one on the mac, can you use the chrome browser with voiceover >> to >> start with? > Voiceover will work with Chrome, but the very same issues that occurs > with Safari will exist, such as focus lost, inability to interact with > HTML content, web rotor/item chooser missing elements/items, lag, TAB > key being inconsistent, moving among various HTML elements will > require several attempts, and many other issues. >> 2. If you can, what does the chromevox extension give you on top of it? >> If >> you can not use chrome with voiceover, does chrome plus chromevox then >> give >> you equal performance than safari does, when visiting other websites? In >> other words, would you say that chrome is a good replacement for safari? > ChromeVox is an extension that has very deep integration with Chrome, > removes several layers of abstractions, and allows for things to be > done that traditional desktop screen readers cannot due to it being a > web browser extension. All the issues I detailed with Safari/VoiceOver > do not exist in Chrome/ChromeVox. >> 3. When using google docs, is it true that many people can work on a >> document simultaneously, and can you now easily see who changed what? > Yes, all of this is possible with Docs, is accessible, and it's > possible to use other real-time features, such as chat to discuss > various points with others who you are collaborating with, several can >
Re: Google Chrome, ChromeVox, and Apps
This would be where activities in Voiceover would really come in handy. Let's say that there was a setting to temporarily put VO to sleep, is there such a beast? If so, one could do an activity that was for Chrome and that put VO to sleep as long as you were in chrome, but when you got out of it, VO would work as expected. Unfortunately however, i don't think such a setting exists. Maybe one should put in a suggestion for this to Apple a11y. /Krister 27 sep 2011 kl. 16:16 skrev Chris Blouch: > Odd. So you have to disable the screen reader to use it? What if I want to > flip over to answer a Skype or IM while I'm wordprocessing? How will I even > know that someone is calling? What if I want to navigate to the finder and > copy a file? Howabout reading my email in mail app to copy paste some text > into a Google Doc file? Requiring the screen reader to be turned off for > their web app to work seems very problematic. > > CB > > On 9/27/11 8:36 AM, Kevin Chao wrote: >> Hi Krister, >> Pleas see response below inline. >> On 9/27/11, Krister Ekstrom wrote: >>> Hi, >>> Chrome is as i recall and judging of how it looks on the web page >>> opensource, which according to my experience means very messy web site and >>> documentation. >> ChroemVox and parts of Chrome are open source, but website and >> documentation are very nicely laid out, efficient, andeffective. >>> Having said all this, i would like to know where i can obtain >>> the chromevox extention. So i wonder where to get the extention. can i get >>> it directly from chrome using something or other to get extentions? >> Please see my original message, which started this thread, which is >> still part of conversation and contained within this message for all >> the links to all the details you'll need to get going. >>> Do i have to turn vo off every time i want to use the browser? >> Yes, it's one very effective and effective command away, CMD-F5. >>> /Krister >>> 27 sep 2011 kl. 13:56 skrev Kevin Chao: >>> HI Paul, Please see response below inline. On 9/27/11, Paul Erkens wrote: > Hi Kevin, > What things did you actually achieve with the google stuff you are so > happy > about? Google docs has been a problem for a long time. I know that people > have been working on it in cooperation with google, and that alone is > already exciting, but I'm curious about a few things before I dive in. As a college student and an employee where professors, students, and co-workers are all using Google Docs. It's extremely exciting, empowering, and equalizing that I am able to use it as well with a consistent and unified experience on Mac OS X and other platforms. For me, Mac OS X with the various productivity/office suite and web browser have not allowed me to be productive, such as iWork (also tried Open Office, Libra Office, Bean, and Tables) and Safari (also tried Webkit and Lightning) have not allowed me to be productive. However, Google has changed all of this. With Chrome, ChromeVox, Docs, and other Google Apps; I am able to be productive on my Mac. > 1. When you start to use chrome, which is just another browser, like > safari > is the main one on the mac, can you use the chrome browser with voiceover > to > start with? Voiceover will work with Chrome, but the very same issues that occurs with Safari will exist, such as focus lost, inability to interact with HTML content, web rotor/item chooser missing elements/items, lag, TAB key being inconsistent, moving among various HTML elements will require several attempts, and many other issues. > 2. If you can, what does the chromevox extension give you on top of it? > If > you can not use chrome with voiceover, does chrome plus chromevox then > give > you equal performance than safari does, when visiting other websites? In > other words, would you say that chrome is a good replacement for safari? ChromeVox is an extension that has very deep integration with Chrome, removes several layers of abstractions, and allows for things to be done that traditional desktop screen readers cannot due to it being a web browser extension. All the issues I detailed with Safari/VoiceOver do not exist in Chrome/ChromeVox. > 3. When using google docs, is it true that many people can work on a > document simultaneously, and can you now easily see who changed what? Yes, all of this is possible with Docs, is accessible, and it's possible to use other real-time features, such as chat to discuss various points with others who you are collaborating with, several can make changes, and it's possible to review/edit all these changes as they're occurring. Inserting, viewing, and editing comments are also accessible. All of this and much more with Docs applies to documents and spreadsheets. > 4.
Re: Google Chrome, ChromeVox, and Apps
Odd. So you have to disable the screen reader to use it? What if I want to flip over to answer a Skype or IM while I'm wordprocessing? How will I even know that someone is calling? What if I want to navigate to the finder and copy a file? Howabout reading my email in mail app to copy paste some text into a Google Doc file? Requiring the screen reader to be turned off for their web app to work seems very problematic. CB On 9/27/11 8:36 AM, Kevin Chao wrote: Hi Krister, Pleas see response below inline. On 9/27/11, Krister Ekstrom wrote: Hi, Chrome is as i recall and judging of how it looks on the web page opensource, which according to my experience means very messy web site and documentation. ChroemVox and parts of Chrome are open source, but website and documentation are very nicely laid out, efficient, andeffective. Having said all this, i would like to know where i can obtain the chromevox extention. So i wonder where to get the extention. can i get it directly from chrome using something or other to get extentions? Please see my original message, which started this thread, which is still part of conversation and contained within this message for all the links to all the details you'll need to get going. Do i have to turn vo off every time i want to use the browser? Yes, it's one very effective and effective command away, CMD-F5. /Krister 27 sep 2011 kl. 13:56 skrev Kevin Chao: HI Paul, Please see response below inline. On 9/27/11, Paul Erkens wrote: Hi Kevin, What things did you actually achieve with the google stuff you are so happy about? Google docs has been a problem for a long time. I know that people have been working on it in cooperation with google, and that alone is already exciting, but I'm curious about a few things before I dive in. As a college student and an employee where professors, students, and co-workers are all using Google Docs. It's extremely exciting, empowering, and equalizing that I am able to use it as well with a consistent and unified experience on Mac OS X and other platforms. For me, Mac OS X with the various productivity/office suite and web browser have not allowed me to be productive, such as iWork (also tried Open Office, Libra Office, Bean, and Tables) and Safari (also tried Webkit and Lightning) have not allowed me to be productive. However, Google has changed all of this. With Chrome, ChromeVox, Docs, and other Google Apps; I am able to be productive on my Mac. 1. When you start to use chrome, which is just another browser, like safari is the main one on the mac, can you use the chrome browser with voiceover to start with? Voiceover will work with Chrome, but the very same issues that occurs with Safari will exist, such as focus lost, inability to interact with HTML content, web rotor/item chooser missing elements/items, lag, TAB key being inconsistent, moving among various HTML elements will require several attempts, and many other issues. 2. If you can, what does the chromevox extension give you on top of it? If you can not use chrome with voiceover, does chrome plus chromevox then give you equal performance than safari does, when visiting other websites? In other words, would you say that chrome is a good replacement for safari? ChromeVox is an extension that has very deep integration with Chrome, removes several layers of abstractions, and allows for things to be done that traditional desktop screen readers cannot due to it being a web browser extension. All the issues I detailed with Safari/VoiceOver do not exist in Chrome/ChromeVox. 3. When using google docs, is it true that many people can work on a document simultaneously, and can you now easily see who changed what? Yes, all of this is possible with Docs, is accessible, and it's possible to use other real-time features, such as chat to discuss various points with others who you are collaborating with, several can make changes, and it's possible to review/edit all these changes as they're occurring. Inserting, viewing, and editing comments are also accessible. All of this and much more with Docs applies to documents and spreadsheets. 4. What are the current do's and don'ts, that you found out about, in the environment? In other words, what things is the environment good at, from an accessibility point of view? It's a work in progress, with Google being very interested in feedback/input, great open communication, and will soon have updates addressing lots of areas, which includes new features, bug fixes, and other items, which are based on feedback. Essentially, a great web browser and access to standard/new versions of Docs, Calendar, and Gmail are the great highlights. Very curious. Please give it a try. Google has great documentation (user guide, keyboard command reference, Docs screen reader help, and interactive tutorial). Paul. Kevin On Sep 27, 2011, at 6:06 AM, Kevin Chao wrote: Google is very committed, understanding, and has done an incredible job with accessib
Re: Google Chrome, ChromeVox, and Apps
Hi Krister, Pleas see response below inline. On 9/27/11, Krister Ekstrom wrote: > Hi, > Chrome is as i recall and judging of how it looks on the web page > opensource, which according to my experience means very messy web site and > documentation. ChroemVox and parts of Chrome are open source, but website and documentation are very nicely laid out, efficient, andeffective. > Having said all this, i would like to know where i can obtain > the chromevox extention. So i wonder where to get the extention. can i get > it directly from chrome using something or other to get extentions? Please see my original message, which started this thread, which is still part of conversation and contained within this message for all the links to all the details you'll need to get going. > Do i have to turn vo off every time i want to use the browser? Yes, it's one very effective and effective command away, CMD-F5. > /Krister > 27 sep 2011 kl. 13:56 skrev Kevin Chao: > >> HI Paul, >> >> Please see response below inline. >> >> On 9/27/11, Paul Erkens wrote: >>> Hi Kevin, >>> What things did you actually achieve with the google stuff you are so >>> happy >>> about? Google docs has been a problem for a long time. I know that people >>> have been working on it in cooperation with google, and that alone is >>> already exciting, but I'm curious about a few things before I dive in. >> As a college student and an employee where professors, students, and >> co-workers are all using Google Docs. It's extremely exciting, >> empowering, and equalizing that I am able to use it as well with a >> consistent and unified experience on Mac OS X and other platforms. For >> me, Mac OS X with the various productivity/office suite and web >> browser have not allowed me to be productive, such as iWork (also >> tried Open Office, Libra Office, Bean, and Tables) and Safari (also >> tried Webkit and Lightning) have not allowed me to be productive. >> However, Google has changed all of this. With Chrome, ChromeVox, Docs, >> and other Google Apps; I am able to be productive on my Mac. >>> 1. When you start to use chrome, which is just another browser, like >>> safari >>> is the main one on the mac, can you use the chrome browser with voiceover >>> to >>> start with? >> Voiceover will work with Chrome, but the very same issues that occurs >> with Safari will exist, such as focus lost, inability to interact with >> HTML content, web rotor/item chooser missing elements/items, lag, TAB >> key being inconsistent, moving among various HTML elements will >> require several attempts, and many other issues. >>> 2. If you can, what does the chromevox extension give you on top of it? >>> If >>> you can not use chrome with voiceover, does chrome plus chromevox then >>> give >>> you equal performance than safari does, when visiting other websites? In >>> other words, would you say that chrome is a good replacement for safari? >> ChromeVox is an extension that has very deep integration with Chrome, >> removes several layers of abstractions, and allows for things to be >> done that traditional desktop screen readers cannot due to it being a >> web browser extension. All the issues I detailed with Safari/VoiceOver >> do not exist in Chrome/ChromeVox. >>> 3. When using google docs, is it true that many people can work on a >>> document simultaneously, and can you now easily see who changed what? >> Yes, all of this is possible with Docs, is accessible, and it's >> possible to use other real-time features, such as chat to discuss >> various points with others who you are collaborating with, several can >> make changes, and it's possible to review/edit all these changes as >> they're occurring. Inserting, viewing, and editing comments are also >> accessible. All of this and much more with Docs applies to documents >> and spreadsheets. >>> 4. What are the current do's and don'ts, that you found out about, in the >>> environment? In other words, what things is the environment good at, from >>> an >>> accessibility point of view? >> It's a work in progress, with Google being very interested in >> feedback/input, great open communication, and will soon have updates >> addressing lots of areas, which includes new features, bug fixes, and >> other items, which are based on feedback. Essentially, a great web >> browser and access to standard/new versions of Docs, Calendar, and >> Gmail are the great highlights. >>> Very curious. >> Please give it a try. Google has great documentation (user guide, >> keyboard command reference, Docs screen reader help, and interactive >> tutorial). >>> Paul. >> Kevin >>> On Sep 27, 2011, at 6:06 AM, Kevin Chao wrote: >>> Google is very committed, understanding, and has done an incredible job with accessibility. In particular, Chrome, ChromeVox (Chrome extension), Apps (Docs [documents/spreadsheets], Calendar, and Gmail). This package results in a very effective, efficient, powerful, and top-notch productivity suite. A
Re: Google Chrome, ChromeVox, and Apps
Hi, Chrome is as i recall and judging of how it looks on the web page opensource, which according to my experience means very messy web site and documentation. Having said all this, i would like to know where i can obtain the chromevox extention. So i wonder where to get the extention. can i get it directly from chrome using something or other to get extentions? Do i have to turn vo off every time i want to use the browser? /Krister 27 sep 2011 kl. 13:56 skrev Kevin Chao: > HI Paul, > > Please see response below inline. > > On 9/27/11, Paul Erkens wrote: >> Hi Kevin, >> What things did you actually achieve with the google stuff you are so happy >> about? Google docs has been a problem for a long time. I know that people >> have been working on it in cooperation with google, and that alone is >> already exciting, but I'm curious about a few things before I dive in. > As a college student and an employee where professors, students, and > co-workers are all using Google Docs. It's extremely exciting, > empowering, and equalizing that I am able to use it as well with a > consistent and unified experience on Mac OS X and other platforms. For > me, Mac OS X with the various productivity/office suite and web > browser have not allowed me to be productive, such as iWork (also > tried Open Office, Libra Office, Bean, and Tables) and Safari (also > tried Webkit and Lightning) have not allowed me to be productive. > However, Google has changed all of this. With Chrome, ChromeVox, Docs, > and other Google Apps; I am able to be productive on my Mac. >> 1. When you start to use chrome, which is just another browser, like safari >> is the main one on the mac, can you use the chrome browser with voiceover to >> start with? > Voiceover will work with Chrome, but the very same issues that occurs > with Safari will exist, such as focus lost, inability to interact with > HTML content, web rotor/item chooser missing elements/items, lag, TAB > key being inconsistent, moving among various HTML elements will > require several attempts, and many other issues. >> 2. If you can, what does the chromevox extension give you on top of it? If >> you can not use chrome with voiceover, does chrome plus chromevox then give >> you equal performance than safari does, when visiting other websites? In >> other words, would you say that chrome is a good replacement for safari? > ChromeVox is an extension that has very deep integration with Chrome, > removes several layers of abstractions, and allows for things to be > done that traditional desktop screen readers cannot due to it being a > web browser extension. All the issues I detailed with Safari/VoiceOver > do not exist in Chrome/ChromeVox. >> 3. When using google docs, is it true that many people can work on a >> document simultaneously, and can you now easily see who changed what? > Yes, all of this is possible with Docs, is accessible, and it's > possible to use other real-time features, such as chat to discuss > various points with others who you are collaborating with, several can > make changes, and it's possible to review/edit all these changes as > they're occurring. Inserting, viewing, and editing comments are also > accessible. All of this and much more with Docs applies to documents > and spreadsheets. >> 4. What are the current do's and don'ts, that you found out about, in the >> environment? In other words, what things is the environment good at, from an >> accessibility point of view? > It's a work in progress, with Google being very interested in > feedback/input, great open communication, and will soon have updates > addressing lots of areas, which includes new features, bug fixes, and > other items, which are based on feedback. Essentially, a great web > browser and access to standard/new versions of Docs, Calendar, and > Gmail are the great highlights. >> Very curious. > Please give it a try. Google has great documentation (user guide, > keyboard command reference, Docs screen reader help, and interactive > tutorial). >> Paul. > Kevin >> On Sep 27, 2011, at 6:06 AM, Kevin Chao wrote: >> >>> Google is very committed, understanding, and has done an incredible >>> job with accessibility. In particular, Chrome, ChromeVox (Chrome >>> extension), Apps (Docs [documents/spreadsheets], Calendar, and Gmail). >>> This package results in a very effective, efficient, powerful, and >>> top-notch productivity suite. All is needed is Chrome, ChromeVox, and >>> a Gmail/Apps ID. I've been using Google apps, especially >>> documents/spreadsheets for the last several days within Chrome and >>> ChromeVox extension and find it to be great. >>> >>> Please see below for all the links/details needed to get going with a >>> universally accessible, powerful, robust, and first-class productivity >>> suite. >>> >>> Google Chrome Canary (Mac/Windows platform powering ChromeVox/Apps): >>> http://j.mp/oWZ7Of >>> Installing ChromeVox as a packed extension >>> http://j.mp/nmnNR5 >>> ChromeVox U
Re: Google Chrome, ChromeVox, and Apps
HI Paul, Please see response below inline. On 9/27/11, Paul Erkens wrote: > Hi Kevin, > What things did you actually achieve with the google stuff you are so happy > about? Google docs has been a problem for a long time. I know that people > have been working on it in cooperation with google, and that alone is > already exciting, but I'm curious about a few things before I dive in. As a college student and an employee where professors, students, and co-workers are all using Google Docs. It's extremely exciting, empowering, and equalizing that I am able to use it as well with a consistent and unified experience on Mac OS X and other platforms. For me, Mac OS X with the various productivity/office suite and web browser have not allowed me to be productive, such as iWork (also tried Open Office, Libra Office, Bean, and Tables) and Safari (also tried Webkit and Lightning) have not allowed me to be productive. However, Google has changed all of this. With Chrome, ChromeVox, Docs, and other Google Apps; I am able to be productive on my Mac. > 1. When you start to use chrome, which is just another browser, like safari > is the main one on the mac, can you use the chrome browser with voiceover to > start with? Voiceover will work with Chrome, but the very same issues that occurs with Safari will exist, such as focus lost, inability to interact with HTML content, web rotor/item chooser missing elements/items, lag, TAB key being inconsistent, moving among various HTML elements will require several attempts, and many other issues. > 2. If you can, what does the chromevox extension give you on top of it? If > you can not use chrome with voiceover, does chrome plus chromevox then give > you equal performance than safari does, when visiting other websites? In > other words, would you say that chrome is a good replacement for safari? ChromeVox is an extension that has very deep integration with Chrome, removes several layers of abstractions, and allows for things to be done that traditional desktop screen readers cannot due to it being a web browser extension. All the issues I detailed with Safari/VoiceOver do not exist in Chrome/ChromeVox. > 3. When using google docs, is it true that many people can work on a > document simultaneously, and can you now easily see who changed what? Yes, all of this is possible with Docs, is accessible, and it's possible to use other real-time features, such as chat to discuss various points with others who you are collaborating with, several can make changes, and it's possible to review/edit all these changes as they're occurring. Inserting, viewing, and editing comments are also accessible. All of this and much more with Docs applies to documents and spreadsheets. > 4. What are the current do's and don'ts, that you found out about, in the > environment? In other words, what things is the environment good at, from an > accessibility point of view? It's a work in progress, with Google being very interested in feedback/input, great open communication, and will soon have updates addressing lots of areas, which includes new features, bug fixes, and other items, which are based on feedback. Essentially, a great web browser and access to standard/new versions of Docs, Calendar, and Gmail are the great highlights. > Very curious. Please give it a try. Google has great documentation (user guide, keyboard command reference, Docs screen reader help, and interactive tutorial). > Paul. Kevin > On Sep 27, 2011, at 6:06 AM, Kevin Chao wrote: > >> Google is very committed, understanding, and has done an incredible >> job with accessibility. In particular, Chrome, ChromeVox (Chrome >> extension), Apps (Docs [documents/spreadsheets], Calendar, and Gmail). >> This package results in a very effective, efficient, powerful, and >> top-notch productivity suite. All is needed is Chrome, ChromeVox, and >> a Gmail/Apps ID. I've been using Google apps, especially >> documents/spreadsheets for the last several days within Chrome and >> ChromeVox extension and find it to be great. >> >> Please see below for all the links/details needed to get going with a >> universally accessible, powerful, robust, and first-class productivity >> suite. >> >> Google Chrome Canary (Mac/Windows platform powering ChromeVox/Apps): >> http://j.mp/oWZ7Of >> Installing ChromeVox as a packed extension >> http://j.mp/nmnNR5 >> ChromeVox User Guide: >> http://t.co/b9ABBkv >> Use Google Docs with a screen reader >> http://goo.gl/cmeHV >> Google accessibility feedback: >> http://goo.gl/wePru >> >> FYI: new/standard UI/look/view is recommended and will work with >> Chrome/ChromeVox. >> >> Kevin >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com
