Re: Help with Selecting Text in Safari
Well put Les. I have almost given up on a lot of tables on the mac, and numbers is driving me crazy, as sometimes it works and other times it doesn't. I know Apple is working on these things, and they aren't the easiest problems to fix, but hey, I lack patience. On Aug 12, 11:27 pm, Les Kriegler kriegle...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Brian, Keep on posting please. Like you, I'm a big believer in Apple and what they've done, but Apple currently cannot handle all of our needs. Examples would be reading of tables and reading of pdf documents. I use my Mac virtually all of the time but still use Windows on occasion for the formentioned tasks, and I'm glad I have that option. Les On Aug 12, 2012, at 12:06 PM, Brian Fischler blindga...@gmail.com wrote: Awesome just found the help document. Ah, I believe I was hitting the command key and needed to hit the option key. Here is the help document in case anyone else is having problems http://help.apple.com/voiceover/info/guide/10.8/English.lproj/_1201.html On Aug 12, 11:49 am, Brian Fischler blindga...@gmail.com wrote: Hey all, Trying to copy some text in safari and have run in to some issues, not sure what I am doing wrong, and it is probably a setting, so wanted to see if anyone knew. It is weird as at first this was working, but it doesn't seem like the cursor is following VO and I have checked my settings in F8 and have toggled them all on and off, but nothing changed. When I go down in to the middle of a paragraph and wanted to select a certain line, the cursor doesn't seem to follow voiceover and seems to be selecting a few lines earlier. Here is what I am doing. I first interact with the text, then read it word by word with VO right arrow. I get to the insertion point where I want to start selecting text, and click Command shift right arrow, but it starts selecting text somewhere else on the page, not sure what I am doing wrong here, or if I have a setting set incorrectly. I have tried this selecting text with Quick Nav on and off, and even tried using the trackpad to select text, but again it was selecting the wrong area. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Help with Selecting Text in Safari
Hi Brian, I assume you continue to use the Mac, and as a result, your feedback is important. Good luck as we both continue to traverse the Mac world! Les On Aug 14, 2012, at 9:47 AM, Brian Fischler blindga...@gmail.com wrote: Well put Les. I have almost given up on a lot of tables on the mac, and numbers is driving me crazy, as sometimes it works and other times it doesn't. I know Apple is working on these things, and they aren't the easiest problems to fix, but hey, I lack patience. On Aug 12, 11:27 pm, Les Kriegler kriegle...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Brian, Keep on posting please. Like you, I'm a big believer in Apple and what they've done, but Apple currently cannot handle all of our needs. Examples would be reading of tables and reading of pdf documents. I use my Mac virtually all of the time but still use Windows on occasion for the formentioned tasks, and I'm glad I have that option. Les On Aug 12, 2012, at 12:06 PM, Brian Fischler blindga...@gmail.com wrote: Awesome just found the help document. Ah, I believe I was hitting the command key and needed to hit the option key. Here is the help document in case anyone else is having problems http://help.apple.com/voiceover/info/guide/10.8/English.lproj/_1201.html On Aug 12, 11:49 am, Brian Fischler blindga...@gmail.com wrote: Hey all, Trying to copy some text in safari and have run in to some issues, not sure what I am doing wrong, and it is probably a setting, so wanted to see if anyone knew. It is weird as at first this was working, but it doesn't seem like the cursor is following VO and I have checked my settings in F8 and have toggled them all on and off, but nothing changed. When I go down in to the middle of a paragraph and wanted to select a certain line, the cursor doesn't seem to follow voiceover and seems to be selecting a few lines earlier. Here is what I am doing. I first interact with the text, then read it word by word with VO right arrow. I get to the insertion point where I want to start selecting text, and click Command shift right arrow, but it starts selecting text somewhere else on the page, not sure what I am doing wrong here, or if I have a setting set incorrectly. I have tried this selecting text with Quick Nav on and off, and even tried using the trackpad to select text, but again it was selecting the wrong area. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Help with Selecting Text in Safari
Hi, I don't think your doing anything wrong. I think focus just gets lost sometimes. If you haven't, you might try toggling Voiceover on/off. I have seen this behavior once or twice. For the most part though, its worked pretty well. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Aug 12, 2012, at 11:49 AM, Brian Fischler blindga...@gmail.com wrote: Hey all, Trying to copy some text in safari and have run in to some issues, not sure what I am doing wrong, and it is probably a setting, so wanted to see if anyone knew. It is weird as at first this was working, but it doesn't seem like the cursor is following VO and I have checked my settings in F8 and have toggled them all on and off, but nothing changed. When I go down in to the middle of a paragraph and wanted to select a certain line, the cursor doesn't seem to follow voiceover and seems to be selecting a few lines earlier. Here is what I am doing. I first interact with the text, then read it word by word with VO right arrow. I get to the insertion point where I want to start selecting text, and click Command shift right arrow, but it starts selecting text somewhere else on the page, not sure what I am doing wrong here, or if I have a setting set incorrectly. I have tried this selecting text with Quick Nav on and off, and even tried using the trackpad to select text, but again it was selecting the wrong area. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Help with Selecting Text in Safari
Awesome just found the help document. Ah, I believe I was hitting the command key and needed to hit the option key. Here is the help document in case anyone else is having problems http://help.apple.com/voiceover/info/guide/10.8/English.lproj/_1201.html On Aug 12, 11:49 am, Brian Fischler blindga...@gmail.com wrote: Hey all, Trying to copy some text in safari and have run in to some issues, not sure what I am doing wrong, and it is probably a setting, so wanted to see if anyone knew. It is weird as at first this was working, but it doesn't seem like the cursor is following VO and I have checked my settings in F8 and have toggled them all on and off, but nothing changed. When I go down in to the middle of a paragraph and wanted to select a certain line, the cursor doesn't seem to follow voiceover and seems to be selecting a few lines earlier. Here is what I am doing. I first interact with the text, then read it word by word with VO right arrow. I get to the insertion point where I want to start selecting text, and click Command shift right arrow, but it starts selecting text somewhere else on the page, not sure what I am doing wrong here, or if I have a setting set incorrectly. I have tried this selecting text with Quick Nav on and off, and even tried using the trackpad to select text, but again it was selecting the wrong area. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Help with Selecting Text in Safari
Well, forget about my last post and this selecting and copying working so well. Yet another bug in ML, and yes, I will report it to Apple. Selecting the text on a web page works fine the first time, but if you want to select another part of the text from the same,Voiceover will not regain its focus or insertion point, as it still wants to start selecting text from the first place you selected the text. The only work around I found for this was to toggle VO off and on, which of course than takes you back to the start of the document, than you get to find the area you want to select and copy again, and VO will allow you to select the new area. Here is another example of how a blind person has no shot at being as productive of our sighted peers. Quiet frustrating as this took me forever to accomplish On Aug 12, 11:58 am, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I don't think your doing anything wrong. I think focus just gets lost sometimes. If you haven't, you might try toggling Voiceover on/off. I have seen this behavior once or twice. For the most part though, its worked pretty well. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecorewww.appletothecore.info On Aug 12, 2012, at 11:49 AM, Brian Fischler blindga...@gmail.com wrote: Hey all, Trying to copy some text in safari and have run in to some issues, not sure what I am doing wrong, and it is probably a setting, so wanted to see if anyone knew. It is weird as at first this was working, but it doesn't seem like the cursor is following VO and I have checked my settings in F8 and have toggled them all on and off, but nothing changed. When I go down in to the middle of a paragraph and wanted to select a certain line, the cursor doesn't seem to follow voiceover and seems to be selecting a few lines earlier. Here is what I am doing. I first interact with the text, then read it word by word with VO right arrow. I get to the insertion point where I want to start selecting text, and click Command shift right arrow, but it starts selecting text somewhere else on the page, not sure what I am doing wrong here, or if I have a setting set incorrectly. I have tried this selecting text with Quick Nav on and off, and even tried using the trackpad to select text, but again it was selecting the wrong area. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Help with Selecting Text in Safari
Yikes! Pessimistic much? Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Aug 12, 2012, at 12:31 PM, Brian Fischler blindga...@gmail.com wrote: Well, forget about my last post and this selecting and copying working so well. Yet another bug in ML, and yes, I will report it to Apple. Selecting the text on a web page works fine the first time, but if you want to select another part of the text from the same,Voiceover will not regain its focus or insertion point, as it still wants to start selecting text from the first place you selected the text. The only work around I found for this was to toggle VO off and on, which of course than takes you back to the start of the document, than you get to find the area you want to select and copy again, and VO will allow you to select the new area. Here is another example of how a blind person has no shot at being as productive of our sighted peers. Quiet frustrating as this took me forever to accomplish On Aug 12, 11:58 am, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I don't think your doing anything wrong. I think focus just gets lost sometimes. If you haven't, you might try toggling Voiceover on/off. I have seen this behavior once or twice. For the most part though, its worked pretty well. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecorewww.appletothecore.info On Aug 12, 2012, at 11:49 AM, Brian Fischler blindga...@gmail.com wrote: Hey all, Trying to copy some text in safari and have run in to some issues, not sure what I am doing wrong, and it is probably a setting, so wanted to see if anyone knew. It is weird as at first this was working, but it doesn't seem like the cursor is following VO and I have checked my settings in F8 and have toggled them all on and off, but nothing changed. When I go down in to the middle of a paragraph and wanted to select a certain line, the cursor doesn't seem to follow voiceover and seems to be selecting a few lines earlier. Here is what I am doing. I first interact with the text, then read it word by word with VO right arrow. I get to the insertion point where I want to start selecting text, and click Command shift right arrow, but it starts selecting text somewhere else on the page, not sure what I am doing wrong here, or if I have a setting set incorrectly. I have tried this selecting text with Quick Nav on and off, and even tried using the trackpad to select text, but again it was selecting the wrong area. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Help with Selecting Text in Safari
Geez, anytime anyone on this list criticizes Apple, they get attacked personally. it's not being pesimistic it's being a realist. While I do appreciate you responding, calling me pesimistic doesn't really help solve the problem On Aug 12, 11:58 am, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I don't think your doing anything wrong. I think focus just gets lost sometimes. If you haven't, you might try toggling Voiceover on/off. I have seen this behavior once or twice. For the most part though, its worked pretty well. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecorewww.appletothecore.info On Aug 12, 2012, at 11:49 AM, Brian Fischler blindga...@gmail.com wrote: Hey all, Trying to copy some text in safari and have run in to some issues, not sure what I am doing wrong, and it is probably a setting, so wanted to see if anyone knew. It is weird as at first this was working, but it doesn't seem like the cursor is following VO and I have checked my settings in F8 and have toggled them all on and off, but nothing changed. When I go down in to the middle of a paragraph and wanted to select a certain line, the cursor doesn't seem to follow voiceover and seems to be selecting a few lines earlier. Here is what I am doing. I first interact with the text, then read it word by word with VO right arrow. I get to the insertion point where I want to start selecting text, and click Command shift right arrow, but it starts selecting text somewhere else on the page, not sure what I am doing wrong here, or if I have a setting set incorrectly. I have tried this selecting text with Quick Nav on and off, and even tried using the trackpad to select text, but again it was selecting the wrong area. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Help with Selecting Text in Safari
That's because people like to think they are better and smarter and yes on this list, if you attack Apple, you get a mouth full. Kawal. On 12 Aug 2012, at 05:52 PM, Brian Fischler blindga...@gmail.com wrote: Geez, anytime anyone on this list criticizes Apple, they get attacked personally. it's not being pesimistic it's being a realist. While I do appreciate you responding, calling me pesimistic doesn't really help solve the problem On Aug 12, 11:58 am, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I don't think your doing anything wrong. I think focus just gets lost sometimes. If you haven't, you might try toggling Voiceover on/off. I have seen this behavior once or twice. For the most part though, its worked pretty well. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecorewww.appletothecore.info On Aug 12, 2012, at 11:49 AM, Brian Fischler blindga...@gmail.com wrote: Hey all, Trying to copy some text in safari and have run in to some issues, not sure what I am doing wrong, and it is probably a setting, so wanted to see if anyone knew. It is weird as at first this was working, but it doesn't seem like the cursor is following VO and I have checked my settings in F8 and have toggled them all on and off, but nothing changed. When I go down in to the middle of a paragraph and wanted to select a certain line, the cursor doesn't seem to follow voiceover and seems to be selecting a few lines earlier. Here is what I am doing. I first interact with the text, then read it word by word with VO right arrow. I get to the insertion point where I want to start selecting text, and click Command shift right arrow, but it starts selecting text somewhere else on the page, not sure what I am doing wrong here, or if I have a setting set incorrectly. I have tried this selecting text with Quick Nav on and off, and even tried using the trackpad to select text, but again it was selecting the wrong area. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Help with Selecting Text in Safari
Hi, Actually, my comment had nothing to do with a criticism of Apple. it was your social comment, Here is another example of how a blind person has no shot at being as productive of our sighted peers. That comment doesn't really sound like it has anything to do with Apple specifically does it? And I certainly don't think my comment was a personal attack. Personal? yes. Of course it was personal, I'm talking to you specifically after all. haha. That was definitely no attack though. When you post your opinions, and people disagree, it doesn't always mean they are attacking you. Maybe your views, but not you. I don't know, when you make a comment like that, is it suppose to warm our hearts. lol. And, I don't know what adding that comment does to fix your problem either. I say is pessimism, you say its realism. I guess we will just agree to disagree. But, I disagree because, if you look at access to technology blind people had just 10 years ago compared to now, I think we have become way more productive. As much as our sighted piers? Probably not. But I believe the gap has close a bit. Now, If someone respond to this post saying, optimistic much? They would be within there rights to do so. And I wouldn't feel offended by it either. JMO. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Aug 12, 2012, at 12:52 PM, Brian Fischler blindga...@gmail.com wrote: Geez, anytime anyone on this list criticizes Apple, they get attacked personally. it's not being pesimistic it's being a realist. While I do appreciate you responding, calling me pesimistic doesn't really help solve the problem On Aug 12, 11:58 am, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I don't think your doing anything wrong. I think focus just gets lost sometimes. If you haven't, you might try toggling Voiceover on/off. I have seen this behavior once or twice. For the most part though, its worked pretty well. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecorewww.appletothecore.info On Aug 12, 2012, at 11:49 AM, Brian Fischler blindga...@gmail.com wrote: Hey all, Trying to copy some text in safari and have run in to some issues, not sure what I am doing wrong, and it is probably a setting, so wanted to see if anyone knew. It is weird as at first this was working, but it doesn't seem like the cursor is following VO and I have checked my settings in F8 and have toggled them all on and off, but nothing changed. When I go down in to the middle of a paragraph and wanted to select a certain line, the cursor doesn't seem to follow voiceover and seems to be selecting a few lines earlier. Here is what I am doing. I first interact with the text, then read it word by word with VO right arrow. I get to the insertion point where I want to start selecting text, and click Command shift right arrow, but it starts selecting text somewhere else on the page, not sure what I am doing wrong here, or if I have a setting set incorrectly. I have tried this selecting text with Quick Nav on and off, and even tried using the trackpad to select text, but again it was selecting the wrong area. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Help with Selecting Text in Safari
Hi Kawal, I think assuming someone disagrees with a persons views because they think they are better are smarter is pretty far out there. I'm sure if you were on a jaws list, windows list, etc, you would find similar opposition to comments criticizing the subject matter the list was meant to cover. Even fair, accurate criticism. for example, the main subject of this thread, the selection of text in Safari. The original poster made a valid point, and shined light on a bug. That is not what I questioned. And I honestly can't recall attacking anyone on this list. If there is something I don't like, or a bug I've found, I'll post about that just as quickly probably more so than, a feature I like and that works perfectly. But if I disagree with a personal opinion someone posts by their own free will, I don't see why I should just keep my thoughts to myself and hit my delete key. For me at least, its not a question of thinking I'm smarter. Its me disagreeing and making my opinion known, just like the poster I replied to made their feelings known. I think if someone doesn't want there opinion challenged, they shouldn't post opinions. Just stick to facts and they wouldn't have such issues on forums like this. Thanks. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Aug 12, 2012, at 1:19 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu kawa...@me.com wrote: That's because people like to think they are better and smarter and yes on this list, if you attack Apple, you get a mouth full. Kawal. On 12 Aug 2012, at 05:52 PM, Brian Fischler blindga...@gmail.com wrote: Geez, anytime anyone on this list criticizes Apple, they get attacked personally. it's not being pesimistic it's being a realist. While I do appreciate you responding, calling me pesimistic doesn't really help solve the problem On Aug 12, 11:58 am, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I don't think your doing anything wrong. I think focus just gets lost sometimes. If you haven't, you might try toggling Voiceover on/off. I have seen this behavior once or twice. For the most part though, its worked pretty well. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecorewww.appletothecore.info On Aug 12, 2012, at 11:49 AM, Brian Fischler blindga...@gmail.com wrote: Hey all, Trying to copy some text in safari and have run in to some issues, not sure what I am doing wrong, and it is probably a setting, so wanted to see if anyone knew. It is weird as at first this was working, but it doesn't seem like the cursor is following VO and I have checked my settings in F8 and have toggled them all on and off, but nothing changed. When I go down in to the middle of a paragraph and wanted to select a certain line, the cursor doesn't seem to follow voiceover and seems to be selecting a few lines earlier. Here is what I am doing. I first interact with the text, then read it word by word with VO right arrow. I get to the insertion point where I want to start selecting text, and click Command shift right arrow, but it starts selecting text somewhere else on the page, not sure what I am doing wrong here, or if I have a setting set incorrectly. I have tried this selecting text with Quick Nav on and off, and even tried using the trackpad to select text, but again it was selecting the wrong area. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Help with Selecting Text in Safari
I was just making a comment, I didn't say you were the one being smarter or better that's your assumption Ricardo. Let's not make an issue of this and move on as this conversation is a waste of time. Kawal. On 12 Aug 2012, at 06:38 PM, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Kawal, I think assuming someone disagrees with a persons views because they think they are better are smarter is pretty far out there. I'm sure if you were on a jaws list, windows list, etc, you would find similar opposition to comments criticizing the subject matter the list was meant to cover. Even fair, accurate criticism. for example, the main subject of this thread, the selection of text in Safari. The original poster made a valid point, and shined light on a bug. That is not what I questioned. And I honestly can't recall attacking anyone on this list. If there is something I don't like, or a bug I've found, I'll post about that just as quickly probably more so than, a feature I like and that works perfectly. But if I disagree with a personal opinion someone posts by their own free will, I don't see why I should just keep my thoughts to myself and hit my delete key. For me at least, its not a question of thinking I'm smarter. Its me disagreeing and making my opinion known, just like the poster I replied to made their feelings known. I think if someone doesn't want there opinion challenged, they shouldn't post opinions. Just stick to facts and they wouldn't have such issues on forums like this. Thanks. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Aug 12, 2012, at 1:19 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu kawa...@me.com wrote: That's because people like to think they are better and smarter and yes on this list, if you attack Apple, you get a mouth full. Kawal. On 12 Aug 2012, at 05:52 PM, Brian Fischler blindga...@gmail.com wrote: Geez, anytime anyone on this list criticizes Apple, they get attacked personally. it's not being pesimistic it's being a realist. While I do appreciate you responding, calling me pesimistic doesn't really help solve the problem On Aug 12, 11:58 am, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I don't think your doing anything wrong. I think focus just gets lost sometimes. If you haven't, you might try toggling Voiceover on/off. I have seen this behavior once or twice. For the most part though, its worked pretty well. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecorewww.appletothecore.info On Aug 12, 2012, at 11:49 AM, Brian Fischler blindga...@gmail.com wrote: Hey all, Trying to copy some text in safari and have run in to some issues, not sure what I am doing wrong, and it is probably a setting, so wanted to see if anyone knew. It is weird as at first this was working, but it doesn't seem like the cursor is following VO and I have checked my settings in F8 and have toggled them all on and off, but nothing changed. When I go down in to the middle of a paragraph and wanted to select a certain line, the cursor doesn't seem to follow voiceover and seems to be selecting a few lines earlier. Here is what I am doing. I first interact with the text, then read it word by word with VO right arrow. I get to the insertion point where I want to start selecting text, and click Command shift right arrow, but it starts selecting text somewhere else on the page, not sure what I am doing wrong here, or if I have a setting set incorrectly. I have tried this selecting text with Quick Nav on and off, and even tried using the trackpad to select text, but again it was selecting the wrong area. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to
Re: Help with Selecting Text in Safari
Hey guys, healthy disagreement here. And yes, Ricardo I do agree with you that technology has come a very very long way in ten years, and I think Apple is one of the companies at the fore front of this. I was just adding that every time I have posted something on this list that goes against the norm, someone comes at me saying I must be a Windows user, or pessimistic, or something else. I post here oftenly since I have discovered the list, and am grateful to all those who have been very helpful. I additionally try and help people out as much as I can when I have an answer to their question. The point I was making for example, if someone writes how much they absolutely love the great new way to select text in safari, I wouldn't start calling them crazy or that they are oblivious or must work for Apple, so why when I post opinion that criticizes something I get blasted. You did not blast me, I am talking about the other instances of this On Aug 12, 11:58 am, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I don't think your doing anything wrong. I think focus just gets lost sometimes. If you haven't, you might try toggling Voiceover on/off. I have seen this behavior once or twice. For the most part though, its worked pretty well. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecorewww.appletothecore.info On Aug 12, 2012, at 11:49 AM, Brian Fischler blindga...@gmail.com wrote: Hey all, Trying to copy some text in safari and have run in to some issues, not sure what I am doing wrong, and it is probably a setting, so wanted to see if anyone knew. It is weird as at first this was working, but it doesn't seem like the cursor is following VO and I have checked my settings in F8 and have toggled them all on and off, but nothing changed. When I go down in to the middle of a paragraph and wanted to select a certain line, the cursor doesn't seem to follow voiceover and seems to be selecting a few lines earlier. Here is what I am doing. I first interact with the text, then read it word by word with VO right arrow. I get to the insertion point where I want to start selecting text, and click Command shift right arrow, but it starts selecting text somewhere else on the page, not sure what I am doing wrong here, or if I have a setting set incorrectly. I have tried this selecting text with Quick Nav on and off, and even tried using the trackpad to select text, but again it was selecting the wrong area. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Help with Selecting Text in Safari
Hi Brian, Keep on posting please. Like you, I'm a big believer in Apple and what they've done, but Apple currently cannot handle all of our needs. Examples would be reading of tables and reading of pdf documents. I use my Mac virtually all of the time but still use Windows on occasion for the formentioned tasks, and I'm glad I have that option. Les On Aug 12, 2012, at 12:06 PM, Brian Fischler blindga...@gmail.com wrote: Awesome just found the help document. Ah, I believe I was hitting the command key and needed to hit the option key. Here is the help document in case anyone else is having problems http://help.apple.com/voiceover/info/guide/10.8/English.lproj/_1201.html On Aug 12, 11:49 am, Brian Fischler blindga...@gmail.com wrote: Hey all, Trying to copy some text in safari and have run in to some issues, not sure what I am doing wrong, and it is probably a setting, so wanted to see if anyone knew. It is weird as at first this was working, but it doesn't seem like the cursor is following VO and I have checked my settings in F8 and have toggled them all on and off, but nothing changed. When I go down in to the middle of a paragraph and wanted to select a certain line, the cursor doesn't seem to follow voiceover and seems to be selecting a few lines earlier. Here is what I am doing. I first interact with the text, then read it word by word with VO right arrow. I get to the insertion point where I want to start selecting text, and click Command shift right arrow, but it starts selecting text somewhere else on the page, not sure what I am doing wrong here, or if I have a setting set incorrectly. I have tried this selecting text with Quick Nav on and off, and even tried using the trackpad to select text, but again it was selecting the wrong area. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
