Re: Looks like Windows is also heading toward full screen reader built in
HI, I think you're confused. The surface pro is a standard intel computer; however, it is fully dependent on the use of multi-touch touch screen which is not supported in window-eyes at all, but is somewhat supported in jaws and NVDA. The surface is also going to be heavily dependent on UIA and I'm not sure that full support for UIA is even implemented in window-eyes yet. So, it doesn't follow that because the surface pro is a standard intel based computer running standard windows, that window-eyes or any screen reader will work seemlessly with it. Best, Erik Burggraaf Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194 or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com On 2014-01-24, at 7:58 AM, Robin wrote: > I am under the impression that all Applications/programs/software, which can > run on a LapTop PC can also run on Microsoft's Surface PRO, which means that > GW Micro's WindowEYES should be able to run on Microsoft's Surface PRO. > > What I am NOT sure is if GW Micro's WindowEYES can run on Microsoft's Surface > (RT) primarily because it is only limited to Microsoft related content along > with Apps from the Microsoft Windows App Store. > > Sorry to be replying OFF LIST, but this subject IS NOT MAC related . > > I it is possible that Microsoft might merge both its Narrator and GW > Microsoft's WindowEYES into 1 text-to-speech (TTS). Who KNOWS? > > Sent From Berkeley,CA > At 11:44 AM 1/21/2014, you wrote: >> That’s an ouch! Whell somebody just wasted $1,000 for a Surface Pro. Wait! >> NVDA to the rescue! lol. >> >> Maybe partnered with MS it will be slipstreamed in Windows 9? Hopfully! >> Daniel Hawkins >> - Posted from my Macbook Pro >> >> 2012 15in. Macbook Pro >> 2.3 Quad-core i7 >> 4GB DDR3 >> 500GB HDD >> >> Dual Boot: >> Windows 7 Ultimate Edition 64-bit >> >> On Jan 21, 2014, at 1:40 PM, David Tanner < david.tanner...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> One thing that may be a bit of an issue is that looking at Jaws, NVDA, >>> Window-Eyes and even adding System Access to the list, Window-Eyes is the >>> only one out of the four that apparently has no ability to be used on a >>> Windows 8 tablet. That may be an issue that Microsoft hasn’t taken into >>> consideration. >>> >>> >>> >>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [ >>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Hawkins >>> Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 1:02 PM >>> To: Mac Visionary >>> Subject: Re: Looks like Windows is also heading toward full screen reader >>> built in >>> >>> Lol, Windows 3.1 is a little before my time. But in a way Microsoft is >>> trying to catch up, their Windows 8 Pro can do both do the ARM based >>> Windows 8 apps and are cross platforms. Apple are slowly intregrating IOS >>> and Mac. And Google have the Chromebook. >>> >>> As ARM based cpu get more powerful that can bridge the gap between Intel >>> based OS it will be streamlined soon. Even Linux is now getting into ARM >>> bsed OS. >>> >>> So in that case, I still think the three major screenreaders will be >>> around.Unless JAWS can’t keep their contracts, they will be forced to lower >>> their prices, so we will see. >>> Daniel Hawkins >>> - Posted from my Macbook Pro >>> >>> 2012 15in. Macbook Pro >>> 2.3 Quad-core i7 >>> 4GB DDR3 >>> 500GB HDD >>> >>> Dual Boot: >>> Windows 7 Ultimate Edition 64-bit >>> >>> On Jan 20, 2014, at 5:45 PM, erik burggraaf >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Hey guys, Another thing has occurred to me about this. As you know, >>> window-eyes has been under developed for several years. You might not be >>> aware that the personal computer is set to go on the long tail in 2016. >>> Sales of personal computers have been falling by about 30 per sent per >>> year. April 2013 was the worst quarter for PC sales in 20 years. In 2012 >>> smartphones made up more than 50 per sent of all cell phone use in the >>> United States. In 2013, Tablet sales exploded and the tablet is poised to >>> out sell the personal computer in 2014. >>> >>> It will take a long time for corporate and government to catch up, but they >>> are both already in the mobile space. Where do jaws, Window-eyes, and even >>> NVDA fit in to the 5 year trend of the over all market? Especially with >>> IPhone and android
Re: Looks like Windows is also heading toward full screen reader built in
Hi Robin, Window-eyes will not work with WIndows-rt, and I’m not sure that it will work well on the surface albeit, it will probably try. I think you’re right in that Narrator will probably be merged with window-eyes, but most of this is largely speculation. On Jan 24, 2014, at 6:58 AM, Robin wrote: > I am under the impression that all Applications/programs/software, which can > run on a LapTop PC can also run on Microsoft's Surface PRO, which means that > GW Micro's WindowEYES should be able to run on Microsoft's Surface PRO. > > What I am NOT sure is if GW Micro's WindowEYES can run on Microsoft's Surface > (RT) primarily because it is only limited to Microsoft related content along > with Apps from the Microsoft Windows App Store. > > Sorry to be replying OFF LIST, but this subject IS NOT MAC related . > > I it is possible that Microsoft might merge both its Narrator and GW > Microsoft's WindowEYES into 1 text-to-speech (TTS). Who KNOWS? > > Sent From Berkeley,CA > At 11:44 AM 1/21/2014, you wrote: >> That’s an ouch! Whell somebody just wasted $1,000 for a Surface Pro. Wait! >> NVDA to the rescue! lol. >> >> Maybe partnered with MS it will be slipstreamed in Windows 9? Hopfully! >> Daniel Hawkins >> - Posted from my Macbook Pro >> >> 2012 15in. Macbook Pro >> 2.3 Quad-core i7 >> 4GB DDR3 >> 500GB HDD >> >> Dual Boot: >> Windows 7 Ultimate Edition 64-bit >> >> On Jan 21, 2014, at 1:40 PM, David Tanner < david.tanner...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> One thing that may be a bit of an issue is that looking at Jaws, NVDA, >>> Window-Eyes and even adding System Access to the list, Window-Eyes is the >>> only one out of the four that apparently has no ability to be used on a >>> Windows 8 tablet. That may be an issue that Microsoft hasn’t taken into >>> consideration. >>> >>> >>> >>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [ >>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Hawkins >>> Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 1:02 PM >>> To: Mac Visionary >>> Subject: Re: Looks like Windows is also heading toward full screen reader >>> built in >>> >>> Lol, Windows 3.1 is a little before my time. But in a way Microsoft is >>> trying to catch up, their Windows 8 Pro can do both do the ARM based >>> Windows 8 apps and are cross platforms. Apple are slowly intregrating IOS >>> and Mac. And Google have the Chromebook. >>> >>> As ARM based cpu get more powerful that can bridge the gap between Intel >>> based OS it will be streamlined soon. Even Linux is now getting into ARM >>> bsed OS. >>> >>> So in that case, I still think the three major screenreaders will be >>> around.Unless JAWS can’t keep their contracts, they will be forced to lower >>> their prices, so we will see. >>> Daniel Hawkins >>> - Posted from my Macbook Pro >>> >>> 2012 15in. Macbook Pro >>> 2.3 Quad-core i7 >>> 4GB DDR3 >>> 500GB HDD >>> >>> Dual Boot: >>> Windows 7 Ultimate Edition 64-bit >>> >>> On Jan 20, 2014, at 5:45 PM, erik burggraaf >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Hey guys, Another thing has occurred to me about this. As you know, >>> window-eyes has been under developed for several years. You might not be >>> aware that the personal computer is set to go on the long tail in 2016. >>> Sales of personal computers have been falling by about 30 per sent per >>> year. April 2013 was the worst quarter for PC sales in 20 years. In 2012 >>> smartphones made up more than 50 per sent of all cell phone use in the >>> United States. In 2013, Tablet sales exploded and the tablet is poised to >>> out sell the personal computer in 2014. >>> >>> It will take a long time for corporate and government to catch up, but they >>> are both already in the mobile space. Where do jaws, Window-eyes, and even >>> NVDA fit in to the 5 year trend of the over all market? Especially with >>> IPhone and android being very high quality accessibility choices and new >>> accessibility features emerging on Blackberry to compete with the other two >>> leading mobile platforms. >>> >>> Remember when windows 3.1 came along and people started competing for >>> access to windows? How many market leading companies raced to add >>> accessibility features. Let's see… henter
Re: Looks like Windows is also heading toward full screen reader built in
I am under the impression that all Applications/programs/software, which can run on a LapTop PC can also run on Microsoft's Surface PRO, which means that GW Micro's WindowEYES should be able to run on Microsoft's Surface PRO. What I am NOT sure is if GW Micro's WindowEYES can run on Microsoft's Surface (RT) primarily because it is only limited to Microsoft related content along with Apps from the Microsoft Windows App Store. Sorry to be replying OFF LIST, but this subject IS NOT MAC related . I it is possible that Microsoft might merge both its Narrator and GW Microsoft's WindowEYES into 1 text-to-speech (TTS). Who KNOWS? Sent From Berkeley,CA At 11:44 AM 1/21/2014, you wrote: That's an ouch! Whell somebody just wasted $1,000 for a Surface Pro. Wait! NVDA to the rescue! lol. Maybe partnered with MS it will be slipstreamed in Windows 9? Hopfully! Daniel Hawkins - Posted from my Macbook Pro 2012 15in. Macbook Pro 2.3 Quad-core i7 4GB DDR3 500GB HDD Dual Boot: Windows 7 Ultimate Edition 64-bit On Jan 21, 2014, at 1:40 PM, David Tanner <<mailto:david.tanner...@gmail.com>david.tanner...@gmail.com> wrote: One thing that may be a bit of an issue is that looking at Jaws, NVDA, Window-Eyes and even adding System Access to the list, Window-Eyes is the only one out of the four that apparently has no ability to be used on a Windows 8 tablet. That may be an issue that Microsoft hasn't taken into consideration. From: <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Hawkins Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 1:02 PM To: Mac Visionary Subject: Re: Looks like Windows is also heading toward full screen reader built in Lol, Windows 3.1 is a little before my time. But in a way Microsoft is trying to catch up, their Windows 8 Pro can do both do the ARM based Windows 8 apps and are cross platforms. Apple are slowly intregrating IOS and Mac. And Google have the Chromebook. As ARM based cpu get more powerful that can bridge the gap between Intel based OS it will be streamlined soon. Even Linux is now getting into ARM bsed OS. So in that case, I still think the three major screenreaders will be around.Unless JAWS can't keep their contracts, they will be forced to lower their prices, so we will see. Daniel Hawkins - Posted from my Macbook Pro 2012 15in. Macbook Pro 2.3 Quad-core i7 4GB DDR3 500GB HDD Dual Boot: Windows 7 Ultimate Edition 64-bit On Jan 20, 2014, at 5:45 PM, erik burggraaf <<mailto:e...@erik-burggraaf.com>e...@erik-burggraaf.com> wrote: Hey guys, Another thing has occurred to me about this. As you know, window-eyes has been under developed for several years. You might not be aware that the personal computer is set to go on the long tail in 2016. Sales of personal computers have been falling by about 30 per sent per year. April 2013 was the worst quarter for PC sales in 20 years. In 2012 smartphones made up more than 50 per sent of all cell phone use in the United States. In 2013, Tablet sales exploded and the tablet is poised to out sell the personal computer in 2014. It will take a long time for corporate and government to catch up, but they are both already in the mobile space. Where do jaws, Window-eyes, and even NVDA fit in to the 5 year trend of the over all market? Especially with IPhone and android being very high quality accessibility choices and new accessibility features emerging on Blackberry to compete with the other two leading mobile platforms. Remember when windows 3.1 came along and people started competing for access to windows? How many market leading companies raced to add accessibility features. Let's see... henter-joice, gw michro, synthavoice computers, artic, dolphin, AISquared... How many of those companies, most of whom are still with us, have competed for anything in the mobile space? AISquared, codefactory, that's all I can think of. Humanware and AFB have stepped into the mobile space but their efforts have met with mixed success. Very few of Our so called leaders in accessibility are hungry for shares of the new economy the way they were when windows 95 came out and blind people could somewhat use it. Could it be that there is no money or not as much money as we think in the window-eyes for office move and that it's part of an exit strategy to keep as much value in the product as possible for as long as possible? I'm sure Dan and Doug have rock solid RRSPs/retirement packages So do Eric and the other FS bigwigs. These people aren't showing the drive to innovate that they once did. They are in fact, stodgy. What has GW done for us lately? Proprietary desktop applications for skype and facebook, both of which are much more acces
Re: Looks like Windows is also heading toward full screen reader built in
Hi Sandi, You currently own your last ever optical scanner I strongly suspect. Your current generation mobile device has a camera with better image resolution than your scanner and a quad core processer more than capable of delivering OCR. So your next scanning peripheral is a tray with a boom attached for not much more than the cost of a run of the mill scanner nowadays. Your mobile device will sit on the top of the boom and will be perfectly aligned and oriented to give you accurate scanning results. You will place your book or paper on the tray and snap pictures on your mobile device. You will then ocr the pictures or send the images off directly to the cloud or an email recipient. I did this very thing last week and it worked out very well. The scanning process was easy and the ocr was very accurate even if the processing time was a little slow. The areas that currently need improvement on the mobile platform are advanced word processing, spreadsheeting, and presentation building, as well as audio and video editing. Oddly enough, databasing is really solid on the mobile platforms. You can do business admon very nicely and sync it with your desktop via the cloud. I can't wait for the pc to die. Meanwhile, NVDA should be anyones first choice for windows computing. That thing has rocked the competition's socks off for years now. Best, Erik Burggraaf Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194 or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com On 2014-01-21, at 8:18 PM, Sandi Jazmin Kruse wrote: > hi Eric, as always well written. > I have to admit have not thought of that, but of course it is a given > that " special " products will be less and less needed. > if you mean that fewer and fewer computers are being sold, it is both > exciting and also scary. I for one wonder how i would connect my > scanner too my iPad, or what ever that little device is called in 2, 3 > years time smiles. > I have always found that jaws did what it was suppose too do, but it > simply costs too much and i moved on too linux, from linux to mac. Am > actually considering messing with linux again. however that is another > story. > What i think honestly is this, today stick with nvda, it is cheap, = > free, open, and it really gets the job done. > My next project will be in Espeak too make something that sounds like > eloquence, am not saying it will be easy, but it should be doable. Mac > and windows, the best of 2 worlds. > if you wanna get something done in this wonderful world as a blind > person, you sometimes granded gotta know more about the things you are > using, but in the end it will just make you stronger. > best > > > > Sandi > > On 1/21/14, Daniel Hawkins wrote: >> That’s an ouch! Whell somebody just wasted $1,000 for a Surface Pro. Wait! >> NVDA to the rescue! lol. >> >> Maybe partnered with MS it will be slipstreamed in Windows 9? Hopfully! >> Daniel Hawkins >> - Posted from my Macbook Pro >> >> 2012 15in. Macbook Pro >> 2.3 Quad-core i7 >> 4GB DDR3 >> 500GB HDD >> >> Dual Boot: >> Windows 7 Ultimate Edition 64-bit >> >> On Jan 21, 2014, at 1:40 PM, David Tanner >> wrote: >> >>> One thing that may be a bit of an issue is that looking at Jaws, NVDA, >>> Window-Eyes and even adding System Access to the list, Window-Eyes is the >>> only one out of the four that apparently has no ability to be used on a >>> Windows 8 tablet. That may be an issue that Microsoft hasn’t taken into >>> consideration. >>> >>> >>> >>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Hawkins >>> Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 1:02 PM >>> To: Mac Visionary >>> Subject: Re: Looks like Windows is also heading toward full screen reader >>> built in >>> >>> Lol, Windows 3.1 is a little before my time. But in a way Microsoft is >>> trying to catch up, their Windows 8 Pro can do both do the ARM based >>> Windows 8 apps and are cross platforms. Apple are slowly intregrating IOS >>> and Mac. And Google have the Chromebook. >>> >>> As ARM based cpu get more powerful that can bridge the gap between Intel >>> based OS it will be streamlined soon. Even Linux is now getting into ARM >>> bsed OS. >>> >>> So in that case, I still think the three major screenreaders will be >>> around.Unless JAWS can’t keep their contracts, they will be forced to >>> lower their prices, so we will see. >>> Daniel Hawkins >>> - Posted from my Macbook Pro >>> >>> 2012 15in. Macbook Pro >>
Re: Looks like Windows is also heading toward full screen reader built in
I mostly use a mac, but was at a friend’s place the other day, they use windows 7 with NVDA, and it works great. Unless you are using a really nonstandard application, I can’t see any reason to pay for these expensive screen readers anymore, they simply are not needed. On Jan 21, 2014, at 1:40 PM, David Tanner wrote: > One thing that may be a bit of an issue is that looking at Jaws, NVDA, > Window-Eyes and even adding System Access to the list, Window-Eyes is the > only one out of the four that apparently has no ability to be used on a > Windows 8 tablet. That may be an issue that Microsoft hasn’t taken into > consideration. > > > > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Hawkins > Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 1:02 PM > To: Mac Visionary > Subject: Re: Looks like Windows is also heading toward full screen reader > built in > > Lol, Windows 3.1 is a little before my time. But in a way Microsoft is trying > to catch up, their Windows 8 Pro can do both do the ARM based Windows 8 apps > and are cross platforms. Apple are slowly intregrating IOS and Mac. And > Google have the Chromebook. > > As ARM based cpu get more powerful that can bridge the gap between Intel > based OS it will be streamlined soon. Even Linux is now getting into ARM bsed > OS. > > So in that case, I still think the three major screenreaders will be > around.Unless JAWS can’t keep their contracts, they will be forced to lower > their prices, so we will see. > Daniel Hawkins > - Posted from my Macbook Pro > > 2012 15in. Macbook Pro > 2.3 Quad-core i7 > 4GB DDR3 > 500GB HDD > > Dual Boot: > Windows 7 Ultimate Edition 64-bit > > On Jan 20, 2014, at 5:45 PM, erik burggraaf wrote: > > > Hey guys, Another thing has occurred to me about this. As you know, > window-eyes has been under developed for several years. You might not be > aware that the personal computer is set to go on the long tail in 2016. > Sales of personal computers have been falling by about 30 per sent per year. > April 2013 was the worst quarter for PC sales in 20 years. In 2012 > smartphones made up more than 50 per sent of all cell phone use in the United > States. In 2013, Tablet sales exploded and the tablet is poised to out sell > the personal computer in 2014. > > It will take a long time for corporate and government to catch up, but they > are both already in the mobile space. Where do jaws, Window-eyes, and even > NVDA fit in to the 5 year trend of the over all market? Especially with > IPhone and android being very high quality accessibility choices and new > accessibility features emerging on Blackberry to compete with the other two > leading mobile platforms. > > Remember when windows 3.1 came along and people started competing for access > to windows? How many market leading companies raced to add accessibility > features. Let's see… henter-joice, gw michro, synthavoice computers, artic, > dolphin, AISquared… How many of those companies, most of whom are still with > us, have competed for anything in the mobile space? AISquared, codefactory, > that's all I can think of. Humanware and AFB have stepped into the mobile > space but their efforts have met with mixed success. > > Very few of Our so called leaders in accessibility are hungry for shares of > the new economy the way they were when windows 95 came out and blind people > could somewhat use it. > > Could it be that there is no money or not as much money as we think in the > window-eyes for office move and that it's part of an exit strategy to keep as > much value in the product as possible for as long as possible? I'm sure Dan > and Doug have rock solid RRSPs/retirement packages So do Eric and the other > FS bigwigs. These people aren't showing the drive to innovate that they once > did. They are in fact, stodgy. What has GW done for us lately? Proprietary > desktop applications for skype and facebook, both of which are much more > accessible in the mobile space to begin with and both of which are better > suited to the mobile space than the desktop space IMHO. It's GW's attempt to > coast through for another couple of years until the pc space evaporates and > the heads can retire. > > All speculation on my part. I loved window-eyes when it was on the cutting > edge. I just don't see it now though. > > Best, > > Erik Burggraaf > Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194 > or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com > > On 2014-01-20, at 5:45 PM, "Christina C." wrote: > > > I do not understand all of th
Re: Looks like Windows is also heading toward full screen reader built in
hi Eric, as always well written. I have to admit have not thought of that, but of course it is a given that " special " products will be less and less needed. if you mean that fewer and fewer computers are being sold, it is both exciting and also scary. I for one wonder how i would connect my scanner too my iPad, or what ever that little device is called in 2, 3 years time smiles. I have always found that jaws did what it was suppose too do, but it simply costs too much and i moved on too linux, from linux to mac. Am actually considering messing with linux again. however that is another story. What i think honestly is this, today stick with nvda, it is cheap, = free, open, and it really gets the job done. My next project will be in Espeak too make something that sounds like eloquence, am not saying it will be easy, but it should be doable. Mac and windows, the best of 2 worlds. if you wanna get something done in this wonderful world as a blind person, you sometimes granded gotta know more about the things you are using, but in the end it will just make you stronger. best Sandi On 1/21/14, Daniel Hawkins wrote: > That’s an ouch! Whell somebody just wasted $1,000 for a Surface Pro. Wait! > NVDA to the rescue! lol. > > Maybe partnered with MS it will be slipstreamed in Windows 9? Hopfully! > Daniel Hawkins > - Posted from my Macbook Pro > > 2012 15in. Macbook Pro > 2.3 Quad-core i7 > 4GB DDR3 > 500GB HDD > > Dual Boot: > Windows 7 Ultimate Edition 64-bit > > On Jan 21, 2014, at 1:40 PM, David Tanner > wrote: > >> One thing that may be a bit of an issue is that looking at Jaws, NVDA, >> Window-Eyes and even adding System Access to the list, Window-Eyes is the >> only one out of the four that apparently has no ability to be used on a >> Windows 8 tablet. That may be an issue that Microsoft hasn’t taken into >> consideration. >> >> >> >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Hawkins >> Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 1:02 PM >> To: Mac Visionary >> Subject: Re: Looks like Windows is also heading toward full screen reader >> built in >> >> Lol, Windows 3.1 is a little before my time. But in a way Microsoft is >> trying to catch up, their Windows 8 Pro can do both do the ARM based >> Windows 8 apps and are cross platforms. Apple are slowly intregrating IOS >> and Mac. And Google have the Chromebook. >> >> As ARM based cpu get more powerful that can bridge the gap between Intel >> based OS it will be streamlined soon. Even Linux is now getting into ARM >> bsed OS. >> >> So in that case, I still think the three major screenreaders will be >> around.Unless JAWS can’t keep their contracts, they will be forced to >> lower their prices, so we will see. >> Daniel Hawkins >> - Posted from my Macbook Pro >> >> 2012 15in. Macbook Pro >> 2.3 Quad-core i7 >> 4GB DDR3 >> 500GB HDD >> >> Dual Boot: >> Windows 7 Ultimate Edition 64-bit >> >> On Jan 20, 2014, at 5:45 PM, erik burggraaf >> wrote: >> >> >> Hey guys, Another thing has occurred to me about this. As you know, >> window-eyes has been under developed for several years. You might not be >> aware that the personal computer is set to go on the long tail in 2016. >> Sales of personal computers have been falling by about 30 per sent per >> year. April 2013 was the worst quarter for PC sales in 20 years. In 2012 >> smartphones made up more than 50 per sent of all cell phone use in the >> United States. In 2013, Tablet sales exploded and the tablet is poised to >> out sell the personal computer in 2014. >> >> It will take a long time for corporate and government to catch up, but >> they are both already in the mobile space. Where do jaws, Window-eyes, >> and even NVDA fit in to the 5 year trend of the over all market? >> Especially with IPhone and android being very high quality accessibility >> choices and new accessibility features emerging on Blackberry to compete >> with the other two leading mobile platforms. >> >> Remember when windows 3.1 came along and people started competing for >> access to windows? How many market leading companies raced to add >> accessibility features. Let's see… henter-joice, gw michro, synthavoice >> computers, artic, dolphin, AISquared… How many of those companies, most >> of whom are still with us, have competed for anything in the mobile space? >> AISquared, codefactory, that's all I can think of. Humanware and AFB >> have stepped into the mobile space but their efforts have met with mixed >
Re: Looks like Windows is also heading toward full screen reader built in
That’s an ouch! Whell somebody just wasted $1,000 for a Surface Pro. Wait! NVDA to the rescue! lol. Maybe partnered with MS it will be slipstreamed in Windows 9? Hopfully! Daniel Hawkins - Posted from my Macbook Pro 2012 15in. Macbook Pro 2.3 Quad-core i7 4GB DDR3 500GB HDD Dual Boot: Windows 7 Ultimate Edition 64-bit On Jan 21, 2014, at 1:40 PM, David Tanner wrote: > One thing that may be a bit of an issue is that looking at Jaws, NVDA, > Window-Eyes and even adding System Access to the list, Window-Eyes is the > only one out of the four that apparently has no ability to be used on a > Windows 8 tablet. That may be an issue that Microsoft hasn’t taken into > consideration. > > > > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Hawkins > Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 1:02 PM > To: Mac Visionary > Subject: Re: Looks like Windows is also heading toward full screen reader > built in > > Lol, Windows 3.1 is a little before my time. But in a way Microsoft is trying > to catch up, their Windows 8 Pro can do both do the ARM based Windows 8 apps > and are cross platforms. Apple are slowly intregrating IOS and Mac. And > Google have the Chromebook. > > As ARM based cpu get more powerful that can bridge the gap between Intel > based OS it will be streamlined soon. Even Linux is now getting into ARM bsed > OS. > > So in that case, I still think the three major screenreaders will be > around.Unless JAWS can’t keep their contracts, they will be forced to lower > their prices, so we will see. > Daniel Hawkins > - Posted from my Macbook Pro > > 2012 15in. Macbook Pro > 2.3 Quad-core i7 > 4GB DDR3 > 500GB HDD > > Dual Boot: > Windows 7 Ultimate Edition 64-bit > > On Jan 20, 2014, at 5:45 PM, erik burggraaf wrote: > > > Hey guys, Another thing has occurred to me about this. As you know, > window-eyes has been under developed for several years. You might not be > aware that the personal computer is set to go on the long tail in 2016. > Sales of personal computers have been falling by about 30 per sent per year. > April 2013 was the worst quarter for PC sales in 20 years. In 2012 > smartphones made up more than 50 per sent of all cell phone use in the United > States. In 2013, Tablet sales exploded and the tablet is poised to out sell > the personal computer in 2014. > > It will take a long time for corporate and government to catch up, but they > are both already in the mobile space. Where do jaws, Window-eyes, and even > NVDA fit in to the 5 year trend of the over all market? Especially with > IPhone and android being very high quality accessibility choices and new > accessibility features emerging on Blackberry to compete with the other two > leading mobile platforms. > > Remember when windows 3.1 came along and people started competing for access > to windows? How many market leading companies raced to add accessibility > features. Let's see… henter-joice, gw michro, synthavoice computers, artic, > dolphin, AISquared… How many of those companies, most of whom are still with > us, have competed for anything in the mobile space? AISquared, codefactory, > that's all I can think of. Humanware and AFB have stepped into the mobile > space but their efforts have met with mixed success. > > Very few of Our so called leaders in accessibility are hungry for shares of > the new economy the way they were when windows 95 came out and blind people > could somewhat use it. > > Could it be that there is no money or not as much money as we think in the > window-eyes for office move and that it's part of an exit strategy to keep as > much value in the product as possible for as long as possible? I'm sure Dan > and Doug have rock solid RRSPs/retirement packages So do Eric and the other > FS bigwigs. These people aren't showing the drive to innovate that they once > did. They are in fact, stodgy. What has GW done for us lately? Proprietary > desktop applications for skype and facebook, both of which are much more > accessible in the mobile space to begin with and both of which are better > suited to the mobile space than the desktop space IMHO. It's GW's attempt to > coast through for another couple of years until the pc space evaporates and > the heads can retire. > > All speculation on my part. I loved window-eyes when it was on the cutting > edge. I just don't see it now though. > > Best, > > Erik Burggraaf > Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194 > or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com > > On 2014-01-20, at 5:45 PM, "Christina C."
RE: Looks like Windows is also heading toward full screen reader built in
One thing that may be a bit of an issue is that looking at Jaws, NVDA, Window-Eyes and even adding System Access to the list, Window-Eyes is the only one out of the four that apparently has no ability to be used on a Windows 8 tablet. That may be an issue that Microsoft hasn't taken into consideration. From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Hawkins Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 1:02 PM To: Mac Visionary Subject: Re: Looks like Windows is also heading toward full screen reader built in Lol, Windows 3.1 is a little before my time. But in a way Microsoft is trying to catch up, their Windows 8 Pro can do both do the ARM based Windows 8 apps and are cross platforms. Apple are slowly intregrating IOS and Mac. And Google have the Chromebook. As ARM based cpu get more powerful that can bridge the gap between Intel based OS it will be streamlined soon. Even Linux is now getting into ARM bsed OS. So in that case, I still think the three major screenreaders will be around.Unless JAWS can't keep their contracts, they will be forced to lower their prices, so we will see. Daniel Hawkins - Posted from my Macbook Pro 2012 15in. Macbook Pro 2.3 Quad-core i7 4GB DDR3 500GB HDD Dual Boot: Windows 7 Ultimate Edition 64-bit On Jan 20, 2014, at 5:45 PM, erik burggraaf wrote: Hey guys, Another thing has occurred to me about this. As you know, window-eyes has been under developed for several years. You might not be aware that the personal computer is set to go on the long tail in 2016. Sales of personal computers have been falling by about 30 per sent per year. April 2013 was the worst quarter for PC sales in 20 years. In 2012 smartphones made up more than 50 per sent of all cell phone use in the United States. In 2013, Tablet sales exploded and the tablet is poised to out sell the personal computer in 2014. It will take a long time for corporate and government to catch up, but they are both already in the mobile space. Where do jaws, Window-eyes, and even NVDA fit in to the 5 year trend of the over all market? Especially with IPhone and android being very high quality accessibility choices and new accessibility features emerging on Blackberry to compete with the other two leading mobile platforms. Remember when windows 3.1 came along and people started competing for access to windows? How many market leading companies raced to add accessibility features. Let's see. henter-joice, gw michro, synthavoice computers, artic, dolphin, AISquared. How many of those companies, most of whom are still with us, have competed for anything in the mobile space? AISquared, codefactory, that's all I can think of. Humanware and AFB have stepped into the mobile space but their efforts have met with mixed success. Very few of Our so called leaders in accessibility are hungry for shares of the new economy the way they were when windows 95 came out and blind people could somewhat use it. Could it be that there is no money or not as much money as we think in the window-eyes for office move and that it's part of an exit strategy to keep as much value in the product as possible for as long as possible? I'm sure Dan and Doug have rock solid RRSPs/retirement packages So do Eric and the other FS bigwigs. These people aren't showing the drive to innovate that they once did. They are in fact, stodgy. What has GW done for us lately? Proprietary desktop applications for skype and facebook, both of which are much more accessible in the mobile space to begin with and both of which are better suited to the mobile space than the desktop space IMHO. It's GW's attempt to coast through for another couple of years until the pc space evaporates and the heads can retire. All speculation on my part. I loved window-eyes when it was on the cutting edge. I just don't see it now though. Best, Erik Burggraaf Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194 or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com <http://www.erik-burggraaf.com/> On 2014-01-20, at 5:45 PM, "Christina C." wrote: I do not understand all of the ins and outs of this but overall it appears to be a positive thing for blind and visually impaired as well as for others with various disabilities and challenges requiring adaptive software and equipment. I did crack up at the line about being leaders. LOL! They are behind the ball if you ask me. I love apple and my mac and that is where my loyalties are at this point. I do think this opens doors and that can always be a good thing. Maybe this will benefit me in some way in the future especially since I'd like the ability to use a robust OCR scanning software with a camera instead of a traditional scanner. Maybe one day I will consider putting windows on my computer with boot camp or a virtual environment. So, for me thi
Re: Looks like Windows is also heading toward full screen reader built in
Lol, Windows 3.1 is a little before my time. But in a way Microsoft is trying to catch up, their Windows 8 Pro can do both do the ARM based Windows 8 apps and are cross platforms. Apple are slowly intregrating IOS and Mac. And Google have the Chromebook. As ARM based cpu get more powerful that can bridge the gap between Intel based OS it will be streamlined soon. Even Linux is now getting into ARM bsed OS. So in that case, I still think the three major screenreaders will be around.Unless JAWS can’t keep their contracts, they will be forced to lower their prices, so we will see. Daniel Hawkins - Posted from my Macbook Pro 2012 15in. Macbook Pro 2.3 Quad-core i7 4GB DDR3 500GB HDD Dual Boot: Windows 7 Ultimate Edition 64-bit On Jan 20, 2014, at 5:45 PM, erik burggraaf wrote: > Hey guys, Another thing has occurred to me about this. As you know, > window-eyes has been under developed for several years. You might not be > aware that the personal computer is set to go on the long tail in 2016. > Sales of personal computers have been falling by about 30 per sent per year. > April 2013 was the worst quarter for PC sales in 20 years. In 2012 > smartphones made up more than 50 per sent of all cell phone use in the United > States. In 2013, Tablet sales exploded and the tablet is poised to out sell > the personal computer in 2014. > > It will take a long time for corporate and government to catch up, but they > are both already in the mobile space. Where do jaws, Window-eyes, and even > NVDA fit in to the 5 year trend of the over all market? Especially with > IPhone and android being very high quality accessibility choices and new > accessibility features emerging on Blackberry to compete with the other two > leading mobile platforms. > > Remember when windows 3.1 came along and people started competing for access > to windows? How many market leading companies raced to add accessibility > features. Let's see… henter-joice, gw michro, synthavoice computers, artic, > dolphin, AISquared… How many of those companies, most of whom are still with > us, have competed for anything in the mobile space? AISquared, codefactory, > that's all I can think of. Humanware and AFB have stepped into the mobile > space but their efforts have met with mixed success. > > Very few of Our so called leaders in accessibility are hungry for shares of > the new economy the way they were when windows 95 came out and blind people > could somewhat use it. > > Could it be that there is no money or not as much money as we think in the > window-eyes for office move and that it's part of an exit strategy to keep as > much value in the product as possible for as long as possible? I'm sure Dan > and Doug have rock solid RRSPs/retirement packages So do Eric and the other > FS bigwigs. These people aren't showing the drive to innovate that they once > did. They are in fact, stodgy. What has GW done for us lately? Proprietary > desktop applications for skype and facebook, both of which are much more > accessible in the mobile space to begin with and both of which are better > suited to the mobile space than the desktop space IMHO. It's GW's attempt to > coast through for another couple of years until the pc space evaporates and > the heads can retire. > > All speculation on my part. I loved window-eyes when it was on the cutting > edge. I just don't see it now though. > > Best, > > Erik Burggraaf > Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194 > or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com > > On 2014-01-20, at 5:45 PM, "Christina C." wrote: > >> I do not understand all of the ins and outs of this but overall it appears >> to be a positive thing for blind and visually impaired as well as for others >> with various disabilities and challenges requiring adaptive software and >> equipment. I did crack up at the line about being leaders. LOL! They are >> behind the ball if you ask me. I love apple and my mac and that is where my >> loyalties are at this point. I do think this opens doors and that can always >> be a good thing. Maybe this will benefit me in some way in the future >> especially since I’d like the ability to use a robust OCR scanning software >> with a camera instead of a traditional scanner. Maybe one day I will >> consider putting windows on my computer with boot camp or a virtual >> environment. So, for me this topic is important to discuss even though I am >> a mac user. >> >> Christina >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > >
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Hey guys, Another thing has occurred to me about this. As you know, window-eyes has been under developed for several years. You might not be aware that the personal computer is set to go on the long tail in 2016. Sales of personal computers have been falling by about 30 per sent per year. April 2013 was the worst quarter for PC sales in 20 years. In 2012 smartphones made up more than 50 per sent of all cell phone use in the United States. In 2013, Tablet sales exploded and the tablet is poised to out sell the personal computer in 2014. It will take a long time for corporate and government to catch up, but they are both already in the mobile space. Where do jaws, Window-eyes, and even NVDA fit in to the 5 year trend of the over all market? Especially with IPhone and android being very high quality accessibility choices and new accessibility features emerging on Blackberry to compete with the other two leading mobile platforms. Remember when windows 3.1 came along and people started competing for access to windows? How many market leading companies raced to add accessibility features. Let's see… henter-joice, gw michro, synthavoice computers, artic, dolphin, AISquared… How many of those companies, most of whom are still with us, have competed for anything in the mobile space? AISquared, codefactory, that's all I can think of. Humanware and AFB have stepped into the mobile space but their efforts have met with mixed success. Very few of Our so called leaders in accessibility are hungry for shares of the new economy the way they were when windows 95 came out and blind people could somewhat use it. Could it be that there is no money or not as much money as we think in the window-eyes for office move and that it's part of an exit strategy to keep as much value in the product as possible for as long as possible? I'm sure Dan and Doug have rock solid RRSPs/retirement packages So do Eric and the other FS bigwigs. These people aren't showing the drive to innovate that they once did. They are in fact, stodgy. What has GW done for us lately? Proprietary desktop applications for skype and facebook, both of which are much more accessible in the mobile space to begin with and both of which are better suited to the mobile space than the desktop space IMHO. It's GW's attempt to coast through for another couple of years until the pc space evaporates and the heads can retire. All speculation on my part. I loved window-eyes when it was on the cutting edge. I just don't see it now though. Best, Erik Burggraaf Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194 or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com On 2014-01-20, at 5:45 PM, "Christina C." wrote: > I do not understand all of the ins and outs of this but overall it appears to > be a positive thing for blind and visually impaired as well as for others > with various disabilities and challenges requiring adaptive software and > equipment. I did crack up at the line about being leaders. LOL! They are > behind the ball if you ask me. I love apple and my mac and that is where my > loyalties are at this point. I do think this opens doors and that can always > be a good thing. Maybe this will benefit me in some way in the future > especially since I’d like the ability to use a robust OCR scanning software > with a camera instead of a traditional scanner. Maybe one day I will consider > putting windows on my computer with boot camp or a virtual environment. So, > for me this topic is important to discuss even though I am a mac user. > > Christina > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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Christina, i will give you 2 examples, and i am sure you will have no problems in understanding them both. 1 is W E, it costs money, and lets be brutally honest, if you are blind money usually is not exactly something you are swimming in. It is a downside, i am not going too say much about W E, because i don't like it, it is against my way of seeing things. 2, NVDA is open source, it means that the code is free if i am right. as i write this i am actually not sure if it is truly fully free too change code on, but i do believe so. On one hand we have a closed sourced screenreader, and that is all good as far as that goes, that is of course included its up and downsides. I am personally suspecting the reason they have paired up with Microsoft is that they want it out too more users for a lower cost for the end user. I can be wrong, but seldom am. Personally i use a old copy of xp, use it for scanning when that is needed. It means that i get OSX as my main system, with windows on the top of that . I think overall what cost me most was the mac book air, and a license for vmware fusion. So if i should go out and buy one more program it would simply not work for me financially. And that is here open source and free code comes into space:) Sandi On 1/20/14, Christina C. wrote: > I do not understand all of the ins and outs of this but overall it appears > to be a positive thing for blind and visually impaired as well as for others > with various disabilities and challenges requiring adaptive software and > equipment. I did crack up at the line about being leaders. LOL! They are > behind the ball if you ask me. I love apple and my mac and that is where my > loyalties are at this point. I do think this opens doors and that can always > be a good thing. Maybe this will benefit me in some way in the future > especially since I’d like the ability to use a robust OCR scanning software > with a camera instead of a traditional scanner. Maybe one day I will > consider putting windows on my computer with boot camp or a virtual > environment. So, for me this topic is important to discuss even though I am > a mac user. > > Christina > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Looks like Windows is also heading toward full screen reader built in
I do not understand all of the ins and outs of this but overall it appears to be a positive thing for blind and visually impaired as well as for others with various disabilities and challenges requiring adaptive software and equipment. I did crack up at the line about being leaders. LOL! They are behind the ball if you ask me. I love apple and my mac and that is where my loyalties are at this point. I do think this opens doors and that can always be a good thing. Maybe this will benefit me in some way in the future especially since I’d like the ability to use a robust OCR scanning software with a camera instead of a traditional scanner. Maybe one day I will consider putting windows on my computer with boot camp or a virtual environment. So, for me this topic is important to discuss even though I am a mac user. Christina -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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Ray, If it even goes that way, I suspect the action would be aimed more @ MicroSoft than GW Micro. There’s not a lot GW Micro could be called on here. But, for a giant like MicroSoft to prefer one of the little guys over another, I would guess that they’ll be called upon to “level the playing field.” Well, we’ll see. But, I maintain that people, like yourself that trekked off into the unknown hinter-lands of OSX & VoiceOver, leaving the known “civilization of Windows & JAWS behind, have rendered a great service to the blind community. For what may truly be the first time, we’ve initiated substantive change through commerce & not legislation. I hope, that as further progress is made in this “enlightened age,” we will have more & more ability to determine what is expected of businesses & agencies that serve us as consumers. Cheers, CJ On Jan 19, 2014, at 8:25 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote: > Well, CJ, points well taken. In my current sadistic mood, I allow that it > will be very amusing if Freedom Scientific tried to take legal action against > GW Micro for doing this. Now that would make a story would it not? > > > Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind > built-in! > > Sincerely, > The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user! > > On Jan 18, 2014, at 10:44 PM, CJ Daniel wrote: > >> Ray, >> >> While in specific it is an “OT” post, I think any development of this >> magnitude is of interest to just about any computer related blind list. The >> offering of Window-Eyes as a pseudo-free screen reader for MS Windows, in >> itself, is not earth-shattering. How it may continue to shape the adaptive >> software arena for the blind is, however, potentially huge. >> >> If Window-eyes remains a commercial grade package for the price of adding >> Office 2010 to a Window’s based machine, the question then becomes “what >> will Freedom Scientific do?” I suspect there is a chance of legal action in >> the offing or maybe not. Perhaps, for the first time, Freedom Scientific >> will have to deal realistically with blind consumers & stop setting their >> price-point @ ridiculous levels, which—let’s all face it—has always been a >> marketing strategy aimed @ Federal & state purchasing agencies. >> >> This is all of interest to Apple user’s & the members of this list, in my >> opinion, because the government mandated it, Apple responded, & people like >> those on this list picked up the torch & ran with it. That’s right! Every >> person, who has said “enough all ready. I’m tired of paying outrageous >> prices for something that sighted people obtain with their original purchase >> price. I’m tired of paying for expensive adaptive software upgrades, in >> addition to my operating system upgrades.” People who, in some cases, >> fought state agencies & insisted on something other than a Windows based >> machine & the highly ubiquitous JAWS. Then, those same people strapped >> themselves in to the roller coaster of change, sweated through the learning >> curves, & left all that hard-won Windows expertise behind to make it all >> happen. >> >> What I’m trying to express, I suppose, is that it is of great interest, >> because people like you & me made it happen. In effect, the American system >> of free enterprise, with a little watch-dogging from the federal >> government—their real job I believe—has started to work in this situation. >> I.E. the blind consumer has spoken with his/her purchasing dollars & >> MicroSoft & GW Micro have taken note. >> >> Am I saying that we’re a threat to Windows? Absolutely not. But, we are a >> market share &, in this economy, every little bit counts. After all, it was >> only a couple of years ago, that for the first time in history, a private >> company—Apple Incorporated—had more money than the federal government. If >> you don’t think Micro Soft sat up & took note of that, then you don’t know >> how these companies think. I shouldn’t be surprised @ all if Micro Soft >> isn’t determined to win every little segment of the market possible. But, I >> digress. >> >> In short, we & NVDA users should be a little proud, I think. We’ve had an >> impact & opened up some doors for a lot of blind folks. We’ve gotten some >> corporate attention & it looks like some real changes may be in the offing. >> So, to all the users on the list, I say “thanks & well done.” >> >> Sincerely, >> >> CJ >> >> >> On Jan 18, 2014, at 10:19 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote: >> >>> Uh, maybe: however, doesn’t one have to buy a full copy of Microsoft Word >>> to get this? Seems like one gets a stripped down version with just one >>> voice and I really have to say that while GW Micro deserves a favorable >>> mention for this, it’s got presious little to do with those of us who don’t >>> and will never ever ever install windows on our Macs. >>> >>> >>> Sent from my Mac, the
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Sandi, Thanks for the endorsement. I tend to agree with you, in that whatever gets the job done is the tool I’ll use. CJ On Jan 19, 2014, at 5:32 AM, Sandi Jazmin Kruse wrote: > hi, i do agree with Daniel. > This topic may be OT for the most on this list, but the movement is > definitely interesting. > Usually, at least in Denmark where i am living the prices for for > example jaws is so high cause the most expects that your government > pays for it , so they can pretty much set any price they like. So why > not simply set the highest price they dare? it will be good business > seen from their point of view. > Now there is just this little other problem, we have more and more > independent blind people who will not tolerate just standing on the > sideline, rubbernecking, having too depends on sighted assistance. And > frankly that is where windows in a combination with a mac comes into > play. > I can't speak for others but after i got my sight mostly back i had > only one wish,"what can i do too help others not as lucky as me?" > I thought NVDA was quite primitive, oh boy were i proven wrong, we > have tons and tons of add ons that we can install, blah, blah, blah. > I am not saying that windows is better than it used to be, but at > least whilst i am taking the medical education, it is needed for me > and well if that means that i will get done faster with the education > that is just exactly what i am going to do. > It is perfectly fine to me that we have persons on the list who will > never again touch windoww ever again, but let me ask you this. Would > you do it if your income depended on it ? :) > I found a way so i could add eloquence to nvdas voices. Again means > faster reading rate. > Personally i am not a huge fan of either jaws or window eyes, why? i > like open source software with a passion. > Anyway just my thoughts, have a wonderful weekend. > > > Sandi > > > On 1/18/14, CJ Daniel wrote: >> Ray, >> >> While in specific it is an “OT” post, I think any development of this >> magnitude is of interest to just about any computer related blind list. The >> offering of Window-Eyes as a pseudo-free screen reader for MS Windows, in >> itself, is not earth-shattering. How it may continue to shape the adaptive >> software arena for the blind is, however, potentially huge. >> >> If Window-eyes remains a commercial grade package for the price of adding >> Office 2010 to a Window’s based machine, the question then becomes “what >> will Freedom Scientific do?” I suspect there is a chance of legal action in >> the offing or maybe not. Perhaps, for the first time, Freedom Scientific >> will have to deal realistically with blind consumers & stop setting their >> price-point @ ridiculous levels, which—let’s all face it—has always been a >> marketing strategy aimed @ Federal & state purchasing agencies. >> >> This is all of interest to Apple user’s & the members of this list, in my >> opinion, because the government mandated it, Apple responded, & people like >> those on this list picked up the torch & ran with it. That’s right! Every >> person, who has said “enough all ready. I’m tired of paying outrageous >> prices for something that sighted people obtain with their original purchase >> price. I’m tired of paying for expensive adaptive software upgrades, in >> addition to my operating system upgrades.” People who, in some cases, >> fought state agencies & insisted on something other than a Windows based >> machine & the highly ubiquitous JAWS. Then, those same people strapped >> themselves in to the roller coaster of change, sweated through the learning >> curves, & left all that hard-won Windows expertise behind to make it all >> happen. >> >> What I’m trying to express, I suppose, is that it is of great interest, >> because people like you & me made it happen. In effect, the American system >> of free enterprise, with a little watch-dogging from the federal >> government—their real job I believe—has started to work in this situation. >> I.E. the blind consumer has spoken with his/her purchasing dollars & >> MicroSoft & GW Micro have taken note. >> >> Am I saying that we’re a threat to Windows? Absolutely not. But, we are a >> market share &, in this economy, every little bit counts. After all, it was >> only a couple of years ago, that for the first time in history, a private >> company—Apple Incorporated—had more money than the federal government. If >> you don’t think Micro Soft sat up & took note of that, then you don’t know >> how these companies think. I shouldn’t be surprised @ all if Micro Soft >> isn’t determined to win every little segment of the market possible. But, I >> digress. >> >> In short, we & NVDA users should be a little proud, I think. We’ve had an >> impact & opened up some doors for a lot of blind folks. We’ve gotten some >> corporate attention & it looks like some real changes may be in the offing. >> So, to all the users on the list, I say “th
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Some here might be able to make valid points in a courtroom setting as to the merits of such an OT discusssion but I came here to get away from Windows and learn more about my Mac. ;) Quote of the nanosecond . . . Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well-preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, champagne in one hand, strawberries in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming "WOO HOO - what a ride!" Robert & Dreamer Doll ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 1/19/2014 8:04 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote: I wonder what Jonathan mosen thinks, as he is a great fan of Jaws! he does use a Mac from time to time. I'd love him to write his take on it. Kawal. On 19 Jan 2014, at 03:25 pm, Ray Foret Jr wrote: Well, CJ, points well taken. In my current sadistic mood, I allow that it will be very amusing if Freedom Scientific tried to take legal action against GW Micro for doing this. Now that would make a story would it not? Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in! Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user! On Jan 18, 2014, at 10:44 PM, CJ Daniel wrote: Ray, While in specific it is an “OT” post, I think any development of this magnitude is of interest to just about any computer related blind list. The offering of Window-Eyes as a pseudo-free screen reader for MS Windows, in itself, is not earth-shattering. How it may continue to shape the adaptive software arena for the blind is, however, potentially huge. If Window-eyes remains a commercial grade package for the price of adding Office 2010 to a Window’s based machine, the question then becomes “what will Freedom Scientific do?” I suspect there is a chance of legal action in the offing or maybe not. Perhaps, for the first time, Freedom Scientific will have to deal realistically with blind consumers & stop setting their price-point @ ridiculous levels, which—let’s all face it—has always been a marketing strategy aimed @ Federal & state purchasing agencies. This is all of interest to Apple user’s & the members of this list, in my opinion, because the government mandated it, Apple responded, & people like those on this list picked up the torch & ran with it. That’s right! Every person, who has said “enough all ready. I’m tired of paying outrageous prices for something that sighted people obtain with their original purchase price. I’m tired of paying for expensive adaptive software upgrades, in addition to my operating system upgrades.” People who, in some cases, fought state agencies & insisted on something other than a Windows based machine & the highly ubiquitous JAWS. Then, those same people strapped themselves in to the roller coaster of change, sweated through the learning curves, & left all that hard-won Windows expertise behind to make it all happen. What I’m trying to express, I suppose, is that it is of great interest, because people like you & me made it happen. In effect, the American system of free enterprise, with a little watch-dogging from the federal government—their real job I believe—has started to work in this situation. I.E. the blind consumer has spoken with his/her purchasing dollars & MicroSoft & GW Micro have taken note. Am I saying that we’re a threat to Windows? Absolutely not. But, we are a market share &, in this economy, every little bit counts. After all, it was only a couple of years ago, that for the first time in history, a private company—Apple Incorporated—had more money than the federal government. If you don’t think Micro Soft sat up & took note of that, then you don’t know how these companies think. I shouldn’t be surprised @ all if Micro Soft isn’t determined to win every little segment of the market possible. But, I digress. In short, we & NVDA users should be a little proud, I think. We’ve had an impact & opened up some doors for a lot of blind folks. We’ve gotten some corporate attention & it looks like some real changes may be in the offing. So, to all the users on the list, I say “thanks & well done.” Sincerely, CJ On Jan 18, 2014, at 10:19 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote: Uh, maybe: however, doesn’t one have to buy a full copy of Microsoft Word to get this? Seems like one gets a stripped down version with just one voice and I really have to say that while GW Micro deserves a favorable mention for this, it’s got presious little to do with those of us who don’t and will never ever ever install windows on our Macs. Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in! Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user! On Jan 18, 2014, at 11:06 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote: Well, actually, some folks use Bootcamp or Fusion, and could probably benefit from not having to buy a full copy of WindowEyes
Re: Looks like Windows is also heading toward full screen reader built in
I wonder what Jonathan mosen thinks, as he is a great fan of Jaws! he does use a Mac from time to time. I'd love him to write his take on it. > Kawal. > On 19 Jan 2014, at 03:25 pm, Ray Foret Jr wrote: > > Well, CJ, points well taken. In my current sadistic mood, I allow that it > will be very amusing if Freedom Scientific tried to take legal action against > GW Micro for doing this. Now that would make a story would it not? > > > Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind > built-in! > > Sincerely, > The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user! > >> On Jan 18, 2014, at 10:44 PM, CJ Daniel wrote: >> >> Ray, >> >> While in specific it is an “OT” post, I think any development of this >> magnitude is of interest to just about any computer related blind list. The >> offering of Window-Eyes as a pseudo-free screen reader for MS Windows, in >> itself, is not earth-shattering. How it may continue to shape the adaptive >> software arena for the blind is, however, potentially huge. >> >> If Window-eyes remains a commercial grade package for the price of adding >> Office 2010 to a Window’s based machine, the question then becomes “what >> will Freedom Scientific do?” I suspect there is a chance of legal action in >> the offing or maybe not. Perhaps, for the first time, Freedom Scientific >> will have to deal realistically with blind consumers & stop setting their >> price-point @ ridiculous levels, which—let’s all face it—has always been a >> marketing strategy aimed @ Federal & state purchasing agencies. >> >> This is all of interest to Apple user’s & the members of this list, in my >> opinion, because the government mandated it, Apple responded, & people like >> those on this list picked up the torch & ran with it. That’s right! Every >> person, who has said “enough all ready. I’m tired of paying outrageous >> prices for something that sighted people obtain with their original purchase >> price. I’m tired of paying for expensive adaptive software upgrades, in >> addition to my operating system upgrades.” People who, in some cases, >> fought state agencies & insisted on something other than a Windows based >> machine & the highly ubiquitous JAWS. Then, those same people strapped >> themselves in to the roller coaster of change, sweated through the learning >> curves, & left all that hard-won Windows expertise behind to make it all >> happen. >> >> What I’m trying to express, I suppose, is that it is of great interest, >> because people like you & me made it happen. In effect, the American system >> of free enterprise, with a little watch-dogging from the federal >> government—their real job I believe—has started to work in this situation. >> I.E. the blind consumer has spoken with his/her purchasing dollars & >> MicroSoft & GW Micro have taken note. >> >> Am I saying that we’re a threat to Windows? Absolutely not. But, we are a >> market share &, in this economy, every little bit counts. After all, it was >> only a couple of years ago, that for the first time in history, a private >> company—Apple Incorporated—had more money than the federal government. If >> you don’t think Micro Soft sat up & took note of that, then you don’t know >> how these companies think. I shouldn’t be surprised @ all if Micro Soft >> isn’t determined to win every little segment of the market possible. But, I >> digress. >> >> In short, we & NVDA users should be a little proud, I think. We’ve had an >> impact & opened up some doors for a lot of blind folks. We’ve gotten some >> corporate attention & it looks like some real changes may be in the offing. >> So, to all the users on the list, I say “thanks & well done.” >> >> Sincerely, >> >> CJ >> >> >>> On Jan 18, 2014, at 10:19 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote: >>> >>> Uh, maybe: however, doesn’t one have to buy a full copy of Microsoft Word >>> to get this? Seems like one gets a stripped down version with just one >>> voice and I really have to say that while GW Micro deserves a favorable >>> mention for this, it’s got presious little to do with those of us who don’t >>> and will never ever ever install windows on our Macs. >>> >>> >>> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind >>> built-in! >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user! >>> On Jan 18, 2014, at 11:06 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote: Well, actually, some folks use Bootcamp or Fusion, and could probably benefit from not having to buy a full copy of WindowEyes when they do so. HtH, teresa Slow down; you'll get there faster. > On Jan 18, 2014, at 8:38 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote: > > For my part, I’m wondering what this has to do with us Mac users? > > > Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind
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Well, CJ, points well taken. In my current sadistic mood, I allow that it will be very amusing if Freedom Scientific tried to take legal action against GW Micro for doing this. Now that would make a story would it not? Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in! Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user! On Jan 18, 2014, at 10:44 PM, CJ Daniel wrote: > Ray, > > While in specific it is an “OT” post, I think any development of this > magnitude is of interest to just about any computer related blind list. The > offering of Window-Eyes as a pseudo-free screen reader for MS Windows, in > itself, is not earth-shattering. How it may continue to shape the adaptive > software arena for the blind is, however, potentially huge. > > If Window-eyes remains a commercial grade package for the price of adding > Office 2010 to a Window’s based machine, the question then becomes “what will > Freedom Scientific do?” I suspect there is a chance of legal action in the > offing or maybe not. Perhaps, for the first time, Freedom Scientific will > have to deal realistically with blind consumers & stop setting their > price-point @ ridiculous levels, which—let’s all face it—has always been a > marketing strategy aimed @ Federal & state purchasing agencies. > > This is all of interest to Apple user’s & the members of this list, in my > opinion, because the government mandated it, Apple responded, & people like > those on this list picked up the torch & ran with it. That’s right! Every > person, who has said “enough all ready. I’m tired of paying outrageous > prices for something that sighted people obtain with their original purchase > price. I’m tired of paying for expensive adaptive software upgrades, in > addition to my operating system upgrades.” People who, in some cases, fought > state agencies & insisted on something other than a Windows based machine & > the highly ubiquitous JAWS. Then, those same people strapped themselves in > to the roller coaster of change, sweated through the learning curves, & left > all that hard-won Windows expertise behind to make it all happen. > > What I’m trying to express, I suppose, is that it is of great interest, > because people like you & me made it happen. In effect, the American system > of free enterprise, with a little watch-dogging from the federal > government—their real job I believe—has started to work in this situation. > I.E. the blind consumer has spoken with his/her purchasing dollars & > MicroSoft & GW Micro have taken note. > > Am I saying that we’re a threat to Windows? Absolutely not. But, we are a > market share &, in this economy, every little bit counts. After all, it was > only a couple of years ago, that for the first time in history, a private > company—Apple Incorporated—had more money than the federal government. If > you don’t think Micro Soft sat up & took note of that, then you don’t know > how these companies think. I shouldn’t be surprised @ all if Micro Soft > isn’t determined to win every little segment of the market possible. But, I > digress. > > In short, we & NVDA users should be a little proud, I think. We’ve had an > impact & opened up some doors for a lot of blind folks. We’ve gotten some > corporate attention & it looks like some real changes may be in the offing. > So, to all the users on the list, I say “thanks & well done.” > > Sincerely, > > CJ > > > On Jan 18, 2014, at 10:19 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote: > >> Uh, maybe: however, doesn’t one have to buy a full copy of Microsoft Word >> to get this? Seems like one gets a stripped down version with just one >> voice and I really have to say that while GW Micro deserves a favorable >> mention for this, it’s got presious little to do with those of us who don’t >> and will never ever ever install windows on our Macs. >> >> >> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind >> built-in! >> >> Sincerely, >> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user! >> >> On Jan 18, 2014, at 11:06 AM, Teresa Cochran >> wrote: >> >>> Well, actually, some folks use Bootcamp or Fusion, and could probably >>> benefit from not having to buy a full copy of WindowEyes when they do so. >>> >>> HtH, >>> teresa >>> >>> Slow down; you'll get there faster. >>> >>> On Jan 18, 2014, at 8:38 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote: >>> For my part, I’m wondering what this has to do with us Mac users? Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in! Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user! On Jan 18, 2014, at 5:51 AM, Sandi Jazmin Kruse wrote: > hi Chris. Am not sure why they use W E for that, I can't decide if i > believe it a good or bad thing either. The only thing i k
Re: Looks like Windows is also heading toward full screen reader built in
hi, i do agree with Daniel. This topic may be OT for the most on this list, but the movement is definitely interesting. Usually, at least in Denmark where i am living the prices for for example jaws is so high cause the most expects that your government pays for it , so they can pretty much set any price they like. So why not simply set the highest price they dare? it will be good business seen from their point of view. Now there is just this little other problem, we have more and more independent blind people who will not tolerate just standing on the sideline, rubbernecking, having too depends on sighted assistance. And frankly that is where windows in a combination with a mac comes into play. I can't speak for others but after i got my sight mostly back i had only one wish,"what can i do too help others not as lucky as me?" I thought NVDA was quite primitive, oh boy were i proven wrong, we have tons and tons of add ons that we can install, blah, blah, blah. I am not saying that windows is better than it used to be, but at least whilst i am taking the medical education, it is needed for me and well if that means that i will get done faster with the education that is just exactly what i am going to do. It is perfectly fine to me that we have persons on the list who will never again touch windoww ever again, but let me ask you this. Would you do it if your income depended on it ? :) I found a way so i could add eloquence to nvdas voices. Again means faster reading rate. Personally i am not a huge fan of either jaws or window eyes, why? i like open source software with a passion. Anyway just my thoughts, have a wonderful weekend. Sandi On 1/18/14, CJ Daniel wrote: > Ray, > > While in specific it is an “OT” post, I think any development of this > magnitude is of interest to just about any computer related blind list. The > offering of Window-Eyes as a pseudo-free screen reader for MS Windows, in > itself, is not earth-shattering. How it may continue to shape the adaptive > software arena for the blind is, however, potentially huge. > > If Window-eyes remains a commercial grade package for the price of adding > Office 2010 to a Window’s based machine, the question then becomes “what > will Freedom Scientific do?” I suspect there is a chance of legal action in > the offing or maybe not. Perhaps, for the first time, Freedom Scientific > will have to deal realistically with blind consumers & stop setting their > price-point @ ridiculous levels, which—let’s all face it—has always been a > marketing strategy aimed @ Federal & state purchasing agencies. > > This is all of interest to Apple user’s & the members of this list, in my > opinion, because the government mandated it, Apple responded, & people like > those on this list picked up the torch & ran with it. That’s right! Every > person, who has said “enough all ready. I’m tired of paying outrageous > prices for something that sighted people obtain with their original purchase > price. I’m tired of paying for expensive adaptive software upgrades, in > addition to my operating system upgrades.” People who, in some cases, > fought state agencies & insisted on something other than a Windows based > machine & the highly ubiquitous JAWS. Then, those same people strapped > themselves in to the roller coaster of change, sweated through the learning > curves, & left all that hard-won Windows expertise behind to make it all > happen. > > What I’m trying to express, I suppose, is that it is of great interest, > because people like you & me made it happen. In effect, the American system > of free enterprise, with a little watch-dogging from the federal > government—their real job I believe—has started to work in this situation. > I.E. the blind consumer has spoken with his/her purchasing dollars & > MicroSoft & GW Micro have taken note. > > Am I saying that we’re a threat to Windows? Absolutely not. But, we are a > market share &, in this economy, every little bit counts. After all, it was > only a couple of years ago, that for the first time in history, a private > company—Apple Incorporated—had more money than the federal government. If > you don’t think Micro Soft sat up & took note of that, then you don’t know > how these companies think. I shouldn’t be surprised @ all if Micro Soft > isn’t determined to win every little segment of the market possible. But, I > digress. > > In short, we & NVDA users should be a little proud, I think. We’ve had an > impact & opened up some doors for a lot of blind folks. We’ve gotten some > corporate attention & it looks like some real changes may be in the offing. > So, to all the users on the list, I say “thanks & well done.” > > Sincerely, > > CJ > > > On Jan 18, 2014, at 10:19 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote: > >> Uh, maybe: however, doesn’t one have to buy a full copy of Microsoft Word >> to get this? Seems like one gets a stripped down version with just one >> voice and I really have to say that while GW Micro de
Re: Looks like Windows is also heading toward full screen reader built in
Ray, While in specific it is an “OT” post, I think any development of this magnitude is of interest to just about any computer related blind list. The offering of Window-Eyes as a pseudo-free screen reader for MS Windows, in itself, is not earth-shattering. How it may continue to shape the adaptive software arena for the blind is, however, potentially huge. If Window-eyes remains a commercial grade package for the price of adding Office 2010 to a Window’s based machine, the question then becomes “what will Freedom Scientific do?” I suspect there is a chance of legal action in the offing or maybe not. Perhaps, for the first time, Freedom Scientific will have to deal realistically with blind consumers & stop setting their price-point @ ridiculous levels, which—let’s all face it—has always been a marketing strategy aimed @ Federal & state purchasing agencies. This is all of interest to Apple user’s & the members of this list, in my opinion, because the government mandated it, Apple responded, & people like those on this list picked up the torch & ran with it. That’s right! Every person, who has said “enough all ready. I’m tired of paying outrageous prices for something that sighted people obtain with their original purchase price. I’m tired of paying for expensive adaptive software upgrades, in addition to my operating system upgrades.” People who, in some cases, fought state agencies & insisted on something other than a Windows based machine & the highly ubiquitous JAWS. Then, those same people strapped themselves in to the roller coaster of change, sweated through the learning curves, & left all that hard-won Windows expertise behind to make it all happen. What I’m trying to express, I suppose, is that it is of great interest, because people like you & me made it happen. In effect, the American system of free enterprise, with a little watch-dogging from the federal government—their real job I believe—has started to work in this situation. I.E. the blind consumer has spoken with his/her purchasing dollars & MicroSoft & GW Micro have taken note. Am I saying that we’re a threat to Windows? Absolutely not. But, we are a market share &, in this economy, every little bit counts. After all, it was only a couple of years ago, that for the first time in history, a private company—Apple Incorporated—had more money than the federal government. If you don’t think Micro Soft sat up & took note of that, then you don’t know how these companies think. I shouldn’t be surprised @ all if Micro Soft isn’t determined to win every little segment of the market possible. But, I digress. In short, we & NVDA users should be a little proud, I think. We’ve had an impact & opened up some doors for a lot of blind folks. We’ve gotten some corporate attention & it looks like some real changes may be in the offing. So, to all the users on the list, I say “thanks & well done.” Sincerely, CJ On Jan 18, 2014, at 10:19 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote: > Uh, maybe: however, doesn’t one have to buy a full copy of Microsoft Word to > get this? Seems like one gets a stripped down version with just one voice > and I really have to say that while GW Micro deserves a favorable mention for > this, it’s got presious little to do with those of us who don’t and will > never ever ever install windows on our Macs. > > > Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind > built-in! > > Sincerely, > The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user! > > On Jan 18, 2014, at 11:06 AM, Teresa Cochran > wrote: > >> Well, actually, some folks use Bootcamp or Fusion, and could probably >> benefit from not having to buy a full copy of WindowEyes when they do so. >> >> HtH, >> teresa >> >> Slow down; you'll get there faster. >> >> On Jan 18, 2014, at 8:38 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote: >> >>> For my part, I’m wondering what this has to do with us Mac users? >>> >>> >>> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind >>> built-in! >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user! >>> >>> On Jan 18, 2014, at 5:51 AM, Sandi Jazmin Kruse wrote: >>> hi Chris. Am not sure why they use W E for that, I can't decide if i believe it a good or bad thing either. The only thing i kinda wish i could get from nvda was a more jaws like voice, that is all really, it is simple and too the point. It could be that W E got something NVDA don't? As others have said it shall indeed be interesting finding out how it plays out. Sandi On 1/17/14, Chris Blouch wrote: > I wonder why they went with WindowEyes. Maybe less outcry when the #3 > gets picked for inclusion. As it normally goes for $900 a pop I could > see MS giving them $9 each which would be made up for in quantity. Last > WebAIM survey had Primary Screen
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I cannot help but agree. I am actually trying to leave Windows behind. I only have to use it to run Duxbury until they have the Mac version. Its interesting how this topic is so popular on this list. But I could do without it as I need to learn to use my Mac. Quote of the nanosecond . . . I saw a subliminal advertising executive, but only for a second. Robert & Dreamer Doll ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 1/18/2014 9:19 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote: Uh, maybe: however, doesn’t one have to buy a full copy of Microsoft Word to get this? Seems like one gets a stripped down version with just one voice and I really have to say that while GW Micro deserves a favorable mention for this, it’s got presious little to do with those of us who don’t and will never ever ever install windows on our Macs. Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in! Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user! On Jan 18, 2014, at 11:06 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote: Well, actually, some folks use Bootcamp or Fusion, and could probably benefit from not having to buy a full copy of WindowEyes when they do so. HtH, teresa Slow down; you'll get there faster. On Jan 18, 2014, at 8:38 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote: For my part, I’m wondering what this has to do with us Mac users? Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in! Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user! On Jan 18, 2014, at 5:51 AM, Sandi Jazmin Kruse wrote: hi Chris. Am not sure why they use W E for that, I can't decide if i believe it a good or bad thing either. The only thing i kinda wish i could get from nvda was a more jaws like voice, that is all really, it is simple and too the point. It could be that W E got something NVDA don't? As others have said it shall indeed be interesting finding out how it plays out. Sandi On 1/17/14, Chris Blouch wrote: I wonder why they went with WindowEyes. Maybe less outcry when the #3 gets picked for inclusion. As it normally goes for $900 a pop I could see MS giving them $9 each which would be made up for in quantity. Last WebAIM survey had Primary Screen Reader use with Jaws at 49%, WindowEyes at 12% and Voiceover at 9%. NVDA was actually second with nearly 14%. http://webaim.org/projects/screenreadersurvey4/#primary CB On 1/17/14 8:59 PM, Sandi Jazmin Kruse wrote: i am kinda wondering what they will gain by doing it like that? Not that i will ever have too find out, the absolutely only thing i use windows for is scanning , when done i can copy paste it over in textedit directly. I have thought long and hard over if i really needed something newer than xp for OC'ring and stuff like that, and i simply can't justify it, not right now at least. Sandi On 1/17/14, Eileens Misrahi wrote: Hi All, I just want to point out that I have had a paid copy of Window-Eyes for a few years. Last year though, if I wanted the Vocalizer voices I needed to pay for them. Also, I listened to a recent podcast from GW micro on how to get started with the WE version for Office and it was mentioned in there that other synthesizers could be purchased. I am taking a wait and see approach on how all this will play out. I provide training to my clients in all areas of vision rehab, so this could be advantagious for those I service who require a screen reader. JMO. Best, Eileen Sent from my iPhone On Jan 17, 2014, at 3:12 PM, Terje Strømberg wrote: Speech Syntherzises is very important for my self i.e. the choice of installing from developers. This is a very bad mistake by GW Micro. Free speech!! Take care 17. jan. 2014 kl. 22:22 skrev Buddy Brannan : Licensing costs, most likely. You will also get no free technical support beyond installation. -- Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY On Jan 17, 2014, at 4:18 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: indeed? if this is a fully functional edition with all other programs, does not that mean the speech choices you would get with window eyes in general? Why are they only offering one synthesizer I wonder? Kare On Fri, 17 Jan 2014, Alex Hall wrote: I haven't followed this thread very closely, so I'm sorry if this has come up. You seem to be forgetting about NVDA, a free screen reader that has very good Office support and can also be scripted. A common complaint about NVDA is that people don't like Espeak, the synthesizer it comes with, but a blog post I read said that Window-Eyes will also come with Espeak in this deal. So, the idea that this Window-Eyes offer opens more doors seems odd, since NVDA is already available, no matter which version of office you have, or if you don't have Office at all. Some comments I've heard even suggest that Window-Eyes does not offer very good Office support compared to other screen readers. On Jan 17, 2014, at 2:38 PM, Maria and Joe Chapman wrote:
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Uh, maybe: however, doesn’t one have to buy a full copy of Microsoft Word to get this? Seems like one gets a stripped down version with just one voice and I really have to say that while GW Micro deserves a favorable mention for this, it’s got presious little to do with those of us who don’t and will never ever ever install windows on our Macs. Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in! Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user! On Jan 18, 2014, at 11:06 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote: > Well, actually, some folks use Bootcamp or Fusion, and could probably benefit > from not having to buy a full copy of WindowEyes when they do so. > > HtH, > teresa > > Slow down; you'll get there faster. > > On Jan 18, 2014, at 8:38 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote: > >> For my part, I’m wondering what this has to do with us Mac users? >> >> >> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind >> built-in! >> >> Sincerely, >> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user! >> >> On Jan 18, 2014, at 5:51 AM, Sandi Jazmin Kruse wrote: >> >>> hi Chris. Am not sure why they use W E for that, I can't decide if i >>> believe it a good or bad thing either. The only thing i kinda wish i >>> could get from nvda was a more jaws like voice, that is all really, it >>> is simple and too the point. >>> It could be that W E got something NVDA don't? As others have said it >>> shall indeed be interesting finding out how it plays out. >>> >>> >>> Sandi >>> >>> >>> On 1/17/14, Chris Blouch wrote: I wonder why they went with WindowEyes. Maybe less outcry when the #3 gets picked for inclusion. As it normally goes for $900 a pop I could see MS giving them $9 each which would be made up for in quantity. Last WebAIM survey had Primary Screen Reader use with Jaws at 49%, WindowEyes at 12% and Voiceover at 9%. NVDA was actually second with nearly 14%. http://webaim.org/projects/screenreadersurvey4/#primary CB On 1/17/14 8:59 PM, Sandi Jazmin Kruse wrote: > i am kinda wondering what they will gain by doing it like that? > Not that i will ever have too find out, the absolutely only thing i > use windows for is scanning , when done i can copy paste it over in > textedit directly. > I have thought long and hard over if i really needed something newer > than xp for OC'ring and stuff like that, and i simply can't justify > it, not right now at least. > > > > Sandi > > > On 1/17/14, Eileens Misrahi wrote: >> Hi All, >> >> I just want to point out that I have had a paid copy of Window-Eyes for >> a >> few years. Last year though, if I wanted the Vocalizer voices I needed >> to >> pay for them. Also, I listened to a recent podcast from GW micro on how >> to >> get started with the WE version for Office and it was mentioned in there >> that other synthesizers could be purchased. I am taking a wait and see >> approach on how all this will play out. I provide training to my clients >> in >> all areas of vision rehab, so this could be advantagious for those I >> service >> who require a screen reader. JMO. >> >> Best, >> Eileen >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jan 17, 2014, at 3:12 PM, Terje Strømberg >> wrote: >> >>> Speech Syntherzises is very important for my self i.e. the choice of >>> installing from developers. This is a very bad mistake by GW Micro. >>> Free >>> speech!! >>> >>> Take care >>> >>> 17. jan. 2014 kl. 22:22 skrev Buddy Brannan : >>> >>> Licensing costs, most likely. You will also get no free technical >>> support >>> beyond installation. >>> -- >>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA >>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY >>> >>> >>> >>> On Jan 17, 2014, at 4:18 PM, Karen Lewellen >>> wrote: >>> indeed? if this is a fully functional edition with all other programs, does not that mean the speech choices you would get with window eyes in general? Why are they only offering one synthesizer I wonder? Kare On Fri, 17 Jan 2014, Alex Hall wrote: > I haven't followed this thread very closely, so I'm sorry if this has > come up. You seem to be forgetting about NVDA, a free screen reader > that > has very good Office support and can also be scripted. A common > complaint about NVDA is that people don't like Espeak, the > synthesizer > it comes with, but a blog post I read said that Window-Eyes will also > come with Espeak in this deal. So, the idea that this Window-Eyes > offer > opens more doors seems odd, since NVDA is already available, no
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Well, actually, some folks use Bootcamp or Fusion, and could probably benefit from not having to buy a full copy of WindowEyes when they do so. HtH, teresa Slow down; you'll get there faster. On Jan 18, 2014, at 8:38 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote: > For my part, I’m wondering what this has to do with us Mac users? > > > Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind > built-in! > > Sincerely, > The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user! > > On Jan 18, 2014, at 5:51 AM, Sandi Jazmin Kruse wrote: > >> hi Chris. Am not sure why they use W E for that, I can't decide if i >> believe it a good or bad thing either. The only thing i kinda wish i >> could get from nvda was a more jaws like voice, that is all really, it >> is simple and too the point. >> It could be that W E got something NVDA don't? As others have said it >> shall indeed be interesting finding out how it plays out. >> >> >> Sandi >> >> >> On 1/17/14, Chris Blouch wrote: >>> I wonder why they went with WindowEyes. Maybe less outcry when the #3 >>> gets picked for inclusion. As it normally goes for $900 a pop I could >>> see MS giving them $9 each which would be made up for in quantity. Last >>> WebAIM survey had Primary Screen Reader use with Jaws at 49%, WindowEyes >>> at 12% and Voiceover at 9%. NVDA was actually second with nearly 14%. >>> >>> http://webaim.org/projects/screenreadersurvey4/#primary >>> >>> CB >>> >>> On 1/17/14 8:59 PM, Sandi Jazmin Kruse wrote: i am kinda wondering what they will gain by doing it like that? Not that i will ever have too find out, the absolutely only thing i use windows for is scanning , when done i can copy paste it over in textedit directly. I have thought long and hard over if i really needed something newer than xp for OC'ring and stuff like that, and i simply can't justify it, not right now at least. Sandi On 1/17/14, Eileens Misrahi wrote: > Hi All, > > I just want to point out that I have had a paid copy of Window-Eyes for > a > few years. Last year though, if I wanted the Vocalizer voices I needed > to > pay for them. Also, I listened to a recent podcast from GW micro on how > to > get started with the WE version for Office and it was mentioned in there > that other synthesizers could be purchased. I am taking a wait and see > approach on how all this will play out. I provide training to my clients > in > all areas of vision rehab, so this could be advantagious for those I > service > who require a screen reader. JMO. > > Best, > Eileen > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 17, 2014, at 3:12 PM, Terje Strømberg > wrote: > >> Speech Syntherzises is very important for my self i.e. the choice of >> installing from developers. This is a very bad mistake by GW Micro. >> Free >> speech!! >> >> Take care >> >> 17. jan. 2014 kl. 22:22 skrev Buddy Brannan : >> >> Licensing costs, most likely. You will also get no free technical >> support >> beyond installation. >> -- >> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA >> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY >> >> >> >> On Jan 17, 2014, at 4:18 PM, Karen Lewellen >> wrote: >> >>> indeed? if this is a fully functional edition with all other programs, >>> does not that mean the speech choices you would get with window eyes >>> in >>> general? Why are they only offering one synthesizer I wonder? >>> Kare >>> >>> On Fri, 17 Jan 2014, Alex Hall wrote: >>> I haven't followed this thread very closely, so I'm sorry if this has come up. You seem to be forgetting about NVDA, a free screen reader that has very good Office support and can also be scripted. A common complaint about NVDA is that people don't like Espeak, the synthesizer it comes with, but a blog post I read said that Window-Eyes will also come with Espeak in this deal. So, the idea that this Window-Eyes offer opens more doors seems odd, since NVDA is already available, no matter which version of office you have, or if you don't have Office at all. Some comments I've heard even suggest that Window-Eyes does not offer very good Office support compared to other screen readers. On Jan 17, 2014, at 2:38 PM, Maria and Joe Chapman wrote: > Hi. > > Just had another thought. This might be a good thing for those of > us > looking for volunteer work. If we can use window eyes as long as > they > have office 2010 or later on their system. How well does window > eyes > and office work together I wonder? > Warm regards and blessings >>>
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For my part, I’m wondering what this has to do with us Mac users? Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in! Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user! On Jan 18, 2014, at 5:51 AM, Sandi Jazmin Kruse wrote: > hi Chris. Am not sure why they use W E for that, I can't decide if i > believe it a good or bad thing either. The only thing i kinda wish i > could get from nvda was a more jaws like voice, that is all really, it > is simple and too the point. > It could be that W E got something NVDA don't? As others have said it > shall indeed be interesting finding out how it plays out. > > > Sandi > > > On 1/17/14, Chris Blouch wrote: >> I wonder why they went with WindowEyes. Maybe less outcry when the #3 >> gets picked for inclusion. As it normally goes for $900 a pop I could >> see MS giving them $9 each which would be made up for in quantity. Last >> WebAIM survey had Primary Screen Reader use with Jaws at 49%, WindowEyes >> at 12% and Voiceover at 9%. NVDA was actually second with nearly 14%. >> >> http://webaim.org/projects/screenreadersurvey4/#primary >> >> CB >> >> On 1/17/14 8:59 PM, Sandi Jazmin Kruse wrote: >>> i am kinda wondering what they will gain by doing it like that? >>> Not that i will ever have too find out, the absolutely only thing i >>> use windows for is scanning , when done i can copy paste it over in >>> textedit directly. >>> I have thought long and hard over if i really needed something newer >>> than xp for OC'ring and stuff like that, and i simply can't justify >>> it, not right now at least. >>> >>> >>> >>> Sandi >>> >>> >>> On 1/17/14, Eileens Misrahi wrote: Hi All, I just want to point out that I have had a paid copy of Window-Eyes for a few years. Last year though, if I wanted the Vocalizer voices I needed to pay for them. Also, I listened to a recent podcast from GW micro on how to get started with the WE version for Office and it was mentioned in there that other synthesizers could be purchased. I am taking a wait and see approach on how all this will play out. I provide training to my clients in all areas of vision rehab, so this could be advantagious for those I service who require a screen reader. JMO. Best, Eileen Sent from my iPhone On Jan 17, 2014, at 3:12 PM, Terje Strømberg wrote: > Speech Syntherzises is very important for my self i.e. the choice of > installing from developers. This is a very bad mistake by GW Micro. > Free > speech!! > > Take care > > 17. jan. 2014 kl. 22:22 skrev Buddy Brannan : > > Licensing costs, most likely. You will also get no free technical > support > beyond installation. > -- > Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA > Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY > > > > On Jan 17, 2014, at 4:18 PM, Karen Lewellen > wrote: > >> indeed? if this is a fully functional edition with all other programs, >> does not that mean the speech choices you would get with window eyes >> in >> general? Why are they only offering one synthesizer I wonder? >> Kare >> >> On Fri, 17 Jan 2014, Alex Hall wrote: >> >>> I haven't followed this thread very closely, so I'm sorry if this has >>> come up. You seem to be forgetting about NVDA, a free screen reader >>> that >>> has very good Office support and can also be scripted. A common >>> complaint about NVDA is that people don't like Espeak, the >>> synthesizer >>> it comes with, but a blog post I read said that Window-Eyes will also >>> come with Espeak in this deal. So, the idea that this Window-Eyes >>> offer >>> opens more doors seems odd, since NVDA is already available, no >>> matter >>> which version of office you have, or if you don't have Office at all. >>> Some comments I've heard even suggest that Window-Eyes does not offer >>> very good Office support compared to other screen readers. >>> On Jan 17, 2014, at 2:38 PM, Maria and Joe Chapman >>> wrote: >>> Hi. Just had another thought. This might be a good thing for those of us looking for volunteer work. If we can use window eyes as long as they have office 2010 or later on their system. How well does window eyes and office work together I wonder? Warm regards and blessings Maria, Joe and FurBabies Email: iMessage:bubbygirl1...@gmail.com On 15 Jan 2014, at 6:21 am, Bill Holton wrote: > Jan-14-2014 > FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > Fort Wayne, Indiana (January 14, 2014) - GW Micro, Inc. > (www.gwmicro.com) is proud > to make a revolutionary announcement. GW
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hi Chris. Am not sure why they use W E for that, I can't decide if i believe it a good or bad thing either. The only thing i kinda wish i could get from nvda was a more jaws like voice, that is all really, it is simple and too the point. It could be that W E got something NVDA don't? As others have said it shall indeed be interesting finding out how it plays out. Sandi On 1/17/14, Chris Blouch wrote: > I wonder why they went with WindowEyes. Maybe less outcry when the #3 > gets picked for inclusion. As it normally goes for $900 a pop I could > see MS giving them $9 each which would be made up for in quantity. Last > WebAIM survey had Primary Screen Reader use with Jaws at 49%, WindowEyes > at 12% and Voiceover at 9%. NVDA was actually second with nearly 14%. > > http://webaim.org/projects/screenreadersurvey4/#primary > > CB > > On 1/17/14 8:59 PM, Sandi Jazmin Kruse wrote: >> i am kinda wondering what they will gain by doing it like that? >> Not that i will ever have too find out, the absolutely only thing i >> use windows for is scanning , when done i can copy paste it over in >> textedit directly. >> I have thought long and hard over if i really needed something newer >> than xp for OC'ring and stuff like that, and i simply can't justify >> it, not right now at least. >> >> >> >> Sandi >> >> >> On 1/17/14, Eileens Misrahi wrote: >>> Hi All, >>> >>> I just want to point out that I have had a paid copy of Window-Eyes for >>> a >>> few years. Last year though, if I wanted the Vocalizer voices I needed >>> to >>> pay for them. Also, I listened to a recent podcast from GW micro on how >>> to >>> get started with the WE version for Office and it was mentioned in there >>> that other synthesizers could be purchased. I am taking a wait and see >>> approach on how all this will play out. I provide training to my clients >>> in >>> all areas of vision rehab, so this could be advantagious for those I >>> service >>> who require a screen reader. JMO. >>> >>> Best, >>> Eileen >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Jan 17, 2014, at 3:12 PM, Terje Strømberg >>> wrote: >>> Speech Syntherzises is very important for my self i.e. the choice of installing from developers. This is a very bad mistake by GW Micro. Free speech!! Take care 17. jan. 2014 kl. 22:22 skrev Buddy Brannan : Licensing costs, most likely. You will also get no free technical support beyond installation. -- Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY On Jan 17, 2014, at 4:18 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: > indeed? if this is a fully functional edition with all other programs, > does not that mean the speech choices you would get with window eyes > in > general? Why are they only offering one synthesizer I wonder? > Kare > > On Fri, 17 Jan 2014, Alex Hall wrote: > >> I haven't followed this thread very closely, so I'm sorry if this has >> come up. You seem to be forgetting about NVDA, a free screen reader >> that >> has very good Office support and can also be scripted. A common >> complaint about NVDA is that people don't like Espeak, the >> synthesizer >> it comes with, but a blog post I read said that Window-Eyes will also >> come with Espeak in this deal. So, the idea that this Window-Eyes >> offer >> opens more doors seems odd, since NVDA is already available, no >> matter >> which version of office you have, or if you don't have Office at all. >> Some comments I've heard even suggest that Window-Eyes does not offer >> very good Office support compared to other screen readers. >> On Jan 17, 2014, at 2:38 PM, Maria and Joe Chapman >> wrote: >> >>> Hi. >>> >>> Just had another thought. This might be a good thing for those of >>> us >>> looking for volunteer work. If we can use window eyes as long as >>> they >>> have office 2010 or later on their system. How well does window >>> eyes >>> and office work together I wonder? >>> Warm regards and blessings >>> Maria, Joe and FurBabies >>> Email: iMessage:bubbygirl1...@gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> On 15 Jan 2014, at 6:21 am, Bill Holton wrote: >>> Jan-14-2014 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Fort Wayne, Indiana (January 14, 2014) - GW Micro, Inc. (www.gwmicro.com) is proud to make a revolutionary announcement. GW Micro and Microsoft Corp. have partnered to make Window-Eyes available to users of Microsoft Office at no cost. Window-Eyes is a screen reader that enables people who are blind, visually impaired, or print disabled to have full access to Windows PCs and makes the computer accessible via speech and/or Braille. To better deliver Window-Eyes to the people who need it most, GW
Re: Looks like Windows is also heading toward full screen reader built in
I wonder why they went with WindowEyes. Maybe less outcry when the #3 gets picked for inclusion. As it normally goes for $900 a pop I could see MS giving them $9 each which would be made up for in quantity. Last WebAIM survey had Primary Screen Reader use with Jaws at 49%, WindowEyes at 12% and Voiceover at 9%. NVDA was actually second with nearly 14%. http://webaim.org/projects/screenreadersurvey4/#primary CB On 1/17/14 8:59 PM, Sandi Jazmin Kruse wrote: i am kinda wondering what they will gain by doing it like that? Not that i will ever have too find out, the absolutely only thing i use windows for is scanning , when done i can copy paste it over in textedit directly. I have thought long and hard over if i really needed something newer than xp for OC'ring and stuff like that, and i simply can't justify it, not right now at least. Sandi On 1/17/14, Eileens Misrahi wrote: Hi All, I just want to point out that I have had a paid copy of Window-Eyes for a few years. Last year though, if I wanted the Vocalizer voices I needed to pay for them. Also, I listened to a recent podcast from GW micro on how to get started with the WE version for Office and it was mentioned in there that other synthesizers could be purchased. I am taking a wait and see approach on how all this will play out. I provide training to my clients in all areas of vision rehab, so this could be advantagious for those I service who require a screen reader. JMO. Best, Eileen Sent from my iPhone On Jan 17, 2014, at 3:12 PM, Terje Strømberg wrote: Speech Syntherzises is very important for my self i.e. the choice of installing from developers. This is a very bad mistake by GW Micro. Free speech!! Take care 17. jan. 2014 kl. 22:22 skrev Buddy Brannan : Licensing costs, most likely. You will also get no free technical support beyond installation. -- Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY On Jan 17, 2014, at 4:18 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: indeed? if this is a fully functional edition with all other programs, does not that mean the speech choices you would get with window eyes in general? Why are they only offering one synthesizer I wonder? Kare On Fri, 17 Jan 2014, Alex Hall wrote: I haven't followed this thread very closely, so I'm sorry if this has come up. You seem to be forgetting about NVDA, a free screen reader that has very good Office support and can also be scripted. A common complaint about NVDA is that people don't like Espeak, the synthesizer it comes with, but a blog post I read said that Window-Eyes will also come with Espeak in this deal. So, the idea that this Window-Eyes offer opens more doors seems odd, since NVDA is already available, no matter which version of office you have, or if you don't have Office at all. Some comments I've heard even suggest that Window-Eyes does not offer very good Office support compared to other screen readers. On Jan 17, 2014, at 2:38 PM, Maria and Joe Chapman wrote: Hi. Just had another thought. This might be a good thing for those of us looking for volunteer work. If we can use window eyes as long as they have office 2010 or later on their system. How well does window eyes and office work together I wonder? Warm regards and blessings Maria, Joe and FurBabies Email: iMessage:bubbygirl1...@gmail.com On 15 Jan 2014, at 6:21 am, Bill Holton wrote: Jan-14-2014 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Fort Wayne, Indiana (January 14, 2014) - GW Micro, Inc. (www.gwmicro.com) is proud to make a revolutionary announcement. GW Micro and Microsoft Corp. have partnered to make Window-Eyes available to users of Microsoft Office at no cost. Window-Eyes is a screen reader that enables people who are blind, visually impaired, or print disabled to have full access to Windows PCs and makes the computer accessible via speech and/or Braille. To better deliver Window-Eyes to the people who need it most, GW Micro and Microsoft have collaborated on this global initiative, available in over 15 languages, to enable anyone using Microsoft Office 2010 or later to also use Window-Eyes for free. Access to technology is critical to people who are blind or visually impaired in order to have the same opportunity to compete in the workplace. As such, this initiative between GW Micro and Microsoft has the potential to reduce barriers for millions of people who are blind or visually impaired around the world. As the population ages, technologies like Window-Eyes will become more and more important as the number of people with age-related macular degeneration and other retinal degenerative diseases increases. " This significant change in the way we are doing business reflects the changing perception of accessibility and also technology in general. Rather than wait for the world to change, Microsoft and GW Micro are leading the way ," said Dan Weirich, Vice President of Sales and Marketing for GW Micro. Weirich believes this technology can help millions of people gain acces
Re: Looks like Windows is also heading toward full screen reader built in
i am kinda wondering what they will gain by doing it like that? Not that i will ever have too find out, the absolutely only thing i use windows for is scanning , when done i can copy paste it over in textedit directly. I have thought long and hard over if i really needed something newer than xp for OC'ring and stuff like that, and i simply can't justify it, not right now at least. Sandi On 1/17/14, Eileens Misrahi wrote: > Hi All, > > I just want to point out that I have had a paid copy of Window-Eyes for a > few years. Last year though, if I wanted the Vocalizer voices I needed to > pay for them. Also, I listened to a recent podcast from GW micro on how to > get started with the WE version for Office and it was mentioned in there > that other synthesizers could be purchased. I am taking a wait and see > approach on how all this will play out. I provide training to my clients in > all areas of vision rehab, so this could be advantagious for those I service > who require a screen reader. JMO. > > Best, > Eileen > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 17, 2014, at 3:12 PM, Terje Strømberg > wrote: > >> Speech Syntherzises is very important for my self i.e. the choice of >> installing from developers. This is a very bad mistake by GW Micro. Free >> speech!! >> >> Take care >> >> 17. jan. 2014 kl. 22:22 skrev Buddy Brannan : >> >> Licensing costs, most likely. You will also get no free technical support >> beyond installation. >> -- >> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA >> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY >> >> >> >> On Jan 17, 2014, at 4:18 PM, Karen Lewellen >> wrote: >> >>> indeed? if this is a fully functional edition with all other programs, >>> does not that mean the speech choices you would get with window eyes in >>> general? Why are they only offering one synthesizer I wonder? >>> Kare >>> >>> On Fri, 17 Jan 2014, Alex Hall wrote: >>> I haven't followed this thread very closely, so I'm sorry if this has come up. You seem to be forgetting about NVDA, a free screen reader that has very good Office support and can also be scripted. A common complaint about NVDA is that people don't like Espeak, the synthesizer it comes with, but a blog post I read said that Window-Eyes will also come with Espeak in this deal. So, the idea that this Window-Eyes offer opens more doors seems odd, since NVDA is already available, no matter which version of office you have, or if you don't have Office at all. Some comments I've heard even suggest that Window-Eyes does not offer very good Office support compared to other screen readers. On Jan 17, 2014, at 2:38 PM, Maria and Joe Chapman wrote: > Hi. > > Just had another thought. This might be a good thing for those of us > looking for volunteer work. If we can use window eyes as long as they > have office 2010 or later on their system. How well does window eyes > and office work together I wonder? > Warm regards and blessings > Maria, Joe and FurBabies > Email: iMessage:bubbygirl1...@gmail.com > > > > On 15 Jan 2014, at 6:21 am, Bill Holton wrote: > >> Jan-14-2014 >> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE >> Fort Wayne, Indiana (January 14, 2014) - GW Micro, Inc. >> (www.gwmicro.com) is proud >> to make a revolutionary announcement. GW Micro and Microsoft Corp. >> have partnered >> to make Window-Eyes available to users of Microsoft Office at no cost. >> Window-Eyes >> is a screen reader that enables people who are blind, visually >> impaired, or print >> disabled to have full access to Windows PCs and makes the computer >> accessible via >> speech and/or Braille. >> To better deliver Window-Eyes to the people who need it most, GW Micro >> and Microsoft >> have collaborated on this global initiative, available in over 15 >> languages, to enable >> anyone using Microsoft Office 2010 or later to also use Window-Eyes >> for free. >> Access to technology is critical to people who are blind or visually >> impaired in >> order to have the same opportunity to compete in the workplace. As >> such, this initiative >> between GW Micro and Microsoft has the potential to reduce barriers >> for millions >> of people who are blind or visually impaired around the world. >> As the population ages, technologies like Window-Eyes will become more >> and more important >> as the number of people with age-related macular degeneration and >> other retinal degenerative >> diseases increases. " >> This significant change in the way we are doing business reflects the >> changing perception >> of accessibility and also technology in general. >> Rather than wait for the world to change, Microsoft and GW Micro are >> leading the >> way >> ," said Dan Weirich, Vice President of Sales and Marketing for GW >> Micro. >> Weirich believ
Re: Looks like Windows is also heading toward full screen reader built in
Hi All, I just want to point out that I have had a paid copy of Window-Eyes for a few years. Last year though, if I wanted the Vocalizer voices I needed to pay for them. Also, I listened to a recent podcast from GW micro on how to get started with the WE version for Office and it was mentioned in there that other synthesizers could be purchased. I am taking a wait and see approach on how all this will play out. I provide training to my clients in all areas of vision rehab, so this could be advantagious for those I service who require a screen reader. JMO. Best, Eileen Sent from my iPhone On Jan 17, 2014, at 3:12 PM, Terje Strømberg wrote: > Speech Syntherzises is very important for my self i.e. the choice of > installing from developers. This is a very bad mistake by GW Micro. Free > speech!! > > Take care > > 17. jan. 2014 kl. 22:22 skrev Buddy Brannan : > > Licensing costs, most likely. You will also get no free technical support > beyond installation. > -- > Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA > Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY > > > > On Jan 17, 2014, at 4:18 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: > >> indeed? if this is a fully functional edition with all other programs, does >> not that mean the speech choices you would get with window eyes in general? >> Why are they only offering one synthesizer I wonder? >> Kare >> >> On Fri, 17 Jan 2014, Alex Hall wrote: >> >>> I haven't followed this thread very closely, so I'm sorry if this has come >>> up. You seem to be forgetting about NVDA, a free screen reader that has >>> very good Office support and can also be scripted. A common complaint about >>> NVDA is that people don't like Espeak, the synthesizer it comes with, but a >>> blog post I read said that Window-Eyes will also come with Espeak in this >>> deal. So, the idea that this Window-Eyes offer opens more doors seems odd, >>> since NVDA is already available, no matter which version of office you >>> have, or if you don't have Office at all. Some comments I've heard even >>> suggest that Window-Eyes does not offer very good Office support compared >>> to other screen readers. >>> On Jan 17, 2014, at 2:38 PM, Maria and Joe Chapman >>> wrote: >>> Hi. Just had another thought. This might be a good thing for those of us looking for volunteer work. If we can use window eyes as long as they have office 2010 or later on their system. How well does window eyes and office work together I wonder? Warm regards and blessings Maria, Joe and FurBabies Email: iMessage:bubbygirl1...@gmail.com On 15 Jan 2014, at 6:21 am, Bill Holton wrote: > Jan-14-2014 > FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > Fort Wayne, Indiana (January 14, 2014) - GW Micro, Inc. (www.gwmicro.com) > is proud > to make a revolutionary announcement. GW Micro and Microsoft Corp. have > partnered > to make Window-Eyes available to users of Microsoft Office at no cost. > Window-Eyes > is a screen reader that enables people who are blind, visually impaired, > or print > disabled to have full access to Windows PCs and makes the computer > accessible via > speech and/or Braille. > To better deliver Window-Eyes to the people who need it most, GW Micro > and Microsoft > have collaborated on this global initiative, available in over 15 > languages, to enable > anyone using Microsoft Office 2010 or later to also use Window-Eyes for > free. > Access to technology is critical to people who are blind or visually > impaired in > order to have the same opportunity to compete in the workplace. As such, > this initiative > between GW Micro and Microsoft has the potential to reduce barriers for > millions > of people who are blind or visually impaired around the world. > As the population ages, technologies like Window-Eyes will become more > and more important > as the number of people with age-related macular degeneration and other > retinal degenerative > diseases increases. " > This significant change in the way we are doing business reflects the > changing perception > of accessibility and also technology in general. > Rather than wait for the world to change, Microsoft and GW Micro are > leading the > way > ," said Dan Weirich, Vice President of Sales and Marketing for GW Micro. > Weirich believes this technology can help millions of people gain access > to their > PC, and that providing it free of charge will open a whole new world of > assistive > technology to many people. > In light of the rapidly changing face of technology and specifically, the > changing > face of assistive technology, the combined efforts of GW Micro and > Microsoft have > the goal of providing accessibility to people who are blind and visually > impaired > for the long
Re: Looks like Windows is also heading toward full screen reader built in
Speech Syntherzises is very important for my self i.e. the choice of installing from developers. This is a very bad mistake by GW Micro. Free speech!! Take care 17. jan. 2014 kl. 22:22 skrev Buddy Brannan : Licensing costs, most likely. You will also get no free technical support beyond installation. -- Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY On Jan 17, 2014, at 4:18 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: > indeed? if this is a fully functional edition with all other programs, does > not that mean the speech choices you would get with window eyes in general? > Why are they only offering one synthesizer I wonder? > Kare > > On Fri, 17 Jan 2014, Alex Hall wrote: > >> I haven't followed this thread very closely, so I'm sorry if this has come >> up. You seem to be forgetting about NVDA, a free screen reader that has very >> good Office support and can also be scripted. A common complaint about NVDA >> is that people don't like Espeak, the synthesizer it comes with, but a blog >> post I read said that Window-Eyes will also come with Espeak in this deal. >> So, the idea that this Window-Eyes offer opens more doors seems odd, since >> NVDA is already available, no matter which version of office you have, or if >> you don't have Office at all. Some comments I've heard even suggest that >> Window-Eyes does not offer very good Office support compared to other screen >> readers. >> On Jan 17, 2014, at 2:38 PM, Maria and Joe Chapman >> wrote: >> >>> Hi. >>> >>> Just had another thought. This might be a good thing for those of us >>> looking for volunteer work. If we can use window eyes as long as they have >>> office 2010 or later on their system. How well does window eyes and office >>> work together I wonder? >>> Warm regards and blessings >>> Maria, Joe and FurBabies >>> Email: iMessage:bubbygirl1...@gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> On 15 Jan 2014, at 6:21 am, Bill Holton wrote: >>> Jan-14-2014 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Fort Wayne, Indiana (January 14, 2014) - GW Micro, Inc. (www.gwmicro.com) is proud to make a revolutionary announcement. GW Micro and Microsoft Corp. have partnered to make Window-Eyes available to users of Microsoft Office at no cost. Window-Eyes is a screen reader that enables people who are blind, visually impaired, or print disabled to have full access to Windows PCs and makes the computer accessible via speech and/or Braille. To better deliver Window-Eyes to the people who need it most, GW Micro and Microsoft have collaborated on this global initiative, available in over 15 languages, to enable anyone using Microsoft Office 2010 or later to also use Window-Eyes for free. Access to technology is critical to people who are blind or visually impaired in order to have the same opportunity to compete in the workplace. As such, this initiative between GW Micro and Microsoft has the potential to reduce barriers for millions of people who are blind or visually impaired around the world. As the population ages, technologies like Window-Eyes will become more and more important as the number of people with age-related macular degeneration and other retinal degenerative diseases increases. " This significant change in the way we are doing business reflects the changing perception of accessibility and also technology in general. Rather than wait for the world to change, Microsoft and GW Micro are leading the way ," said Dan Weirich, Vice President of Sales and Marketing for GW Micro. Weirich believes this technology can help millions of people gain access to their PC, and that providing it free of charge will open a whole new world of assistive technology to many people. In light of the rapidly changing face of technology and specifically, the changing face of assistive technology, the combined efforts of GW Micro and Microsoft have the goal of providing accessibility to people who are blind and visually impaired for the long term. Microsoft continues to take accessibility seriously. “By partnering with GW Micro in this endeavor we are demonstrating Microsoft’s ongoing commitment to provide all of our customers with the technology and tools to help each person be productive in both their work and personal lives.” said Rob Sinclair, Chief Accessibility Officer for Microsoft. Eligible customers, using Microsoft Office 2010 or higher, will be able to download a full version of Window-Eyes starting today at www.WindowEyesForOffice.com . The website provides download instructions as well as additional details about this offer. GW Micro, Inc. (www.gwmicro.com) has been a trusted pioneer in the adaptive technolog
Re: Looks like Windows is also heading toward full screen reader built in
Licensing costs, most likely. You will also get no free technical support beyond installation. -- Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY On Jan 17, 2014, at 4:18 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: > indeed? if this is a fully functional edition with all other programs, does > not that mean the speech choices you would get with window eyes in general? > Why are they only offering one synthesizer I wonder? > Kare > > On Fri, 17 Jan 2014, Alex Hall wrote: > >> I haven't followed this thread very closely, so I'm sorry if this has come >> up. You seem to be forgetting about NVDA, a free screen reader that has very >> good Office support and can also be scripted. A common complaint about NVDA >> is that people don't like Espeak, the synthesizer it comes with, but a blog >> post I read said that Window-Eyes will also come with Espeak in this deal. >> So, the idea that this Window-Eyes offer opens more doors seems odd, since >> NVDA is already available, no matter which version of office you have, or if >> you don't have Office at all. Some comments I've heard even suggest that >> Window-Eyes does not offer very good Office support compared to other screen >> readers. >> On Jan 17, 2014, at 2:38 PM, Maria and Joe Chapman >> wrote: >> >>> Hi. >>> >>> Just had another thought. This might be a good thing for those of us >>> looking for volunteer work. If we can use window eyes as long as they have >>> office 2010 or later on their system. How well does window eyes and office >>> work together I wonder? >>> Warm regards and blessings >>> Maria, Joe and FurBabies >>> Email: iMessage:bubbygirl1...@gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> On 15 Jan 2014, at 6:21 am, Bill Holton wrote: >>> Jan-14-2014 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Fort Wayne, Indiana (January 14, 2014) - GW Micro, Inc. (www.gwmicro.com) is proud to make a revolutionary announcement. GW Micro and Microsoft Corp. have partnered to make Window-Eyes available to users of Microsoft Office at no cost. Window-Eyes is a screen reader that enables people who are blind, visually impaired, or print disabled to have full access to Windows PCs and makes the computer accessible via speech and/or Braille. To better deliver Window-Eyes to the people who need it most, GW Micro and Microsoft have collaborated on this global initiative, available in over 15 languages, to enable anyone using Microsoft Office 2010 or later to also use Window-Eyes for free. Access to technology is critical to people who are blind or visually impaired in order to have the same opportunity to compete in the workplace. As such, this initiative between GW Micro and Microsoft has the potential to reduce barriers for millions of people who are blind or visually impaired around the world. As the population ages, technologies like Window-Eyes will become more and more important as the number of people with age-related macular degeneration and other retinal degenerative diseases increases. " This significant change in the way we are doing business reflects the changing perception of accessibility and also technology in general. Rather than wait for the world to change, Microsoft and GW Micro are leading the way ," said Dan Weirich, Vice President of Sales and Marketing for GW Micro. Weirich believes this technology can help millions of people gain access to their PC, and that providing it free of charge will open a whole new world of assistive technology to many people. In light of the rapidly changing face of technology and specifically, the changing face of assistive technology, the combined efforts of GW Micro and Microsoft have the goal of providing accessibility to people who are blind and visually impaired for the long term. Microsoft continues to take accessibility seriously. “By partnering with GW Micro in this endeavor we are demonstrating Microsoft’s ongoing commitment to provide all of our customers with the technology and tools to help each person be productive in both their work and personal lives.” said Rob Sinclair, Chief Accessibility Officer for Microsoft. Eligible customers, using Microsoft Office 2010 or higher, will be able to download a full version of Window-Eyes starting today at www.WindowEyesForOffice.com . The website provides download instructions as well as additional details about this offer. GW Micro, Inc. (www.gwmicro.com) has been a trusted pioneer in the adaptive technology industry since 1990, and continues to lead with innovative, customer driven solutions. Contact: Dan Weirich, VP of Sales and Marketing d...@gwmicro.com (260) 489-3671 ###
Re: Looks like Windows is also heading toward full screen reader built in
indeed? if this is a fully functional edition with all other programs, does not that mean the speech choices you would get with window eyes in general? Why are they only offering one synthesizer I wonder? Kare On Fri, 17 Jan 2014, Alex Hall wrote: I haven't followed this thread very closely, so I'm sorry if this has come up. You seem to be forgetting about NVDA, a free screen reader that has very good Office support and can also be scripted. A common complaint about NVDA is that people don't like Espeak, the synthesizer it comes with, but a blog post I read said that Window-Eyes will also come with Espeak in this deal. So, the idea that this Window-Eyes offer opens more doors seems odd, since NVDA is already available, no matter which version of office you have, or if you don't have Office at all. Some comments I've heard even suggest that Window-Eyes does not offer very good Office support compared to other screen readers. On Jan 17, 2014, at 2:38 PM, Maria and Joe Chapman wrote: Hi. Just had another thought. This might be a good thing for those of us looking for volunteer work. If we can use window eyes as long as they have office 2010 or later on their system. How well does window eyes and office work together I wonder? Warm regards and blessings Maria, Joe and FurBabies Email: iMessage:bubbygirl1...@gmail.com On 15 Jan 2014, at 6:21 am, Bill Holton wrote: Jan-14-2014 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Fort Wayne, Indiana (January 14, 2014) - GW Micro, Inc. (www.gwmicro.com) is proud to make a revolutionary announcement. GW Micro and Microsoft Corp. have partnered to make Window-Eyes available to users of Microsoft Office at no cost. Window-Eyes is a screen reader that enables people who are blind, visually impaired, or print disabled to have full access to Windows PCs and makes the computer accessible via speech and/or Braille. To better deliver Window-Eyes to the people who need it most, GW Micro and Microsoft have collaborated on this global initiative, available in over 15 languages, to enable anyone using Microsoft Office 2010 or later to also use Window-Eyes for free. Access to technology is critical to people who are blind or visually impaired in order to have the same opportunity to compete in the workplace. As such, this initiative between GW Micro and Microsoft has the potential to reduce barriers for millions of people who are blind or visually impaired around the world. As the population ages, technologies like Window-Eyes will become more and more important as the number of people with age-related macular degeneration and other retinal degenerative diseases increases. " This significant change in the way we are doing business reflects the changing perception of accessibility and also technology in general. Rather than wait for the world to change, Microsoft and GW Micro are leading the way ," said Dan Weirich, Vice President of Sales and Marketing for GW Micro. Weirich believes this technology can help millions of people gain access to their PC, and that providing it free of charge will open a whole new world of assistive technology to many people. In light of the rapidly changing face of technology and specifically, the changing face of assistive technology, the combined efforts of GW Micro and Microsoft have the goal of providing accessibility to people who are blind and visually impaired for the long term. Microsoft continues to take accessibility seriously. “By partnering with GW Micro in this endeavor we are demonstrating Microsoft’s ongoing commitment to provide all of our customers with the technology and tools to help each person be productive in both their work and personal lives.” said Rob Sinclair, Chief Accessibility Officer for Microsoft. Eligible customers, using Microsoft Office 2010 or higher, will be able to download a full version of Window-Eyes starting today at www.WindowEyesForOffice.com . The website provides download instructions as well as additional details about this offer. GW Micro, Inc. (www.gwmicro.com) has been a trusted pioneer in the adaptive technology industry since 1990, and continues to lead with innovative, customer driven solutions. Contact: Dan Weirich, VP of Sales and Marketing d...@gwmicro.com (260) 489-3671 ### -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to
Re: Looks like Windows is also heading toward full screen reader built in
I haven't followed this thread very closely, so I'm sorry if this has come up. You seem to be forgetting about NVDA, a free screen reader that has very good Office support and can also be scripted. A common complaint about NVDA is that people don't like Espeak, the synthesizer it comes with, but a blog post I read said that Window-Eyes will also come with Espeak in this deal. So, the idea that this Window-Eyes offer opens more doors seems odd, since NVDA is already available, no matter which version of office you have, or if you don't have Office at all. Some comments I've heard even suggest that Window-Eyes does not offer very good Office support compared to other screen readers. On Jan 17, 2014, at 2:38 PM, Maria and Joe Chapman wrote: > Hi. > > Just had another thought. This might be a good thing for those of us looking > for volunteer work. If we can use window eyes as long as they have office > 2010 or later on their system. How well does window eyes and office work > together I wonder? > Warm regards and blessings > Maria, Joe and FurBabies > Email: iMessage:bubbygirl1...@gmail.com > > > > On 15 Jan 2014, at 6:21 am, Bill Holton wrote: > >> Jan-14-2014 >> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE >> Fort Wayne, Indiana (January 14, 2014) - GW Micro, Inc. (www.gwmicro.com) is >> proud >> to make a revolutionary announcement. GW Micro and Microsoft Corp. have >> partnered >> to make Window-Eyes available to users of Microsoft Office at no cost. >> Window-Eyes >> is a screen reader that enables people who are blind, visually impaired, or >> print >> disabled to have full access to Windows PCs and makes the computer >> accessible via >> speech and/or Braille. >> To better deliver Window-Eyes to the people who need it most, GW Micro and >> Microsoft >> have collaborated on this global initiative, available in over 15 languages, >> to enable >> anyone using Microsoft Office 2010 or later to also use Window-Eyes for free. >> Access to technology is critical to people who are blind or visually >> impaired in >> order to have the same opportunity to compete in the workplace. As such, >> this initiative >> between GW Micro and Microsoft has the potential to reduce barriers for >> millions >> of people who are blind or visually impaired around the world. >> As the population ages, technologies like Window-Eyes will become more and >> more important >> as the number of people with age-related macular degeneration and other >> retinal degenerative >> diseases increases. " >> This significant change in the way we are doing business reflects the >> changing perception >> of accessibility and also technology in general. >> Rather than wait for the world to change, Microsoft and GW Micro are >> leading the >> way >> ," said Dan Weirich, Vice President of Sales and Marketing for GW Micro. >> Weirich believes this technology can help millions of people gain access to >> their >> PC, and that providing it free of charge will open a whole new world of >> assistive >> technology to many people. >> In light of the rapidly changing face of technology and specifically, the >> changing >> face of assistive technology, the combined efforts of GW Micro and Microsoft >> have >> the goal of providing accessibility to people who are blind and visually >> impaired >> for the long term. >> Microsoft continues to take accessibility seriously. >> “By partnering with GW Micro in this endeavor we are demonstrating >> Microsoft’s ongoing >> commitment to provide all of our customers with the technology and tools to >> help >> each person be productive in both their work and personal lives.” >> said Rob Sinclair, Chief Accessibility Officer for Microsoft. >> Eligible customers, using Microsoft Office 2010 or higher, will be able to >> download >> a full version of Window-Eyes starting today at >> www.WindowEyesForOffice.com >> . >> The website provides download instructions as well as additional details >> about this >> offer. >> GW Micro, Inc. (www.gwmicro.com) has been a trusted pioneer in the adaptive >> technology >> industry since 1990, and continues to lead with innovative, customer driven >> solutions. >> Contact: >> Dan Weirich, VP of Sales and Marketing >> d...@gwmicro.com >> (260) 489-3671 >> ### >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >
Re: Looks like Windows is also heading toward full screen reader built in
Hi. Just had another thought. This might be a good thing for those of us looking for volunteer work. If we can use window eyes as long as they have office 2010 or later on their system. How well does window eyes and office work together I wonder? Warm regards and blessings Maria, Joe and FurBabies Email: iMessage:bubbygirl1...@gmail.com On 15 Jan 2014, at 6:21 am, Bill Holton wrote: > Jan-14-2014 > FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > Fort Wayne, Indiana (January 14, 2014) - GW Micro, Inc. (www.gwmicro.com) is > proud > to make a revolutionary announcement. GW Micro and Microsoft Corp. have > partnered > to make Window-Eyes available to users of Microsoft Office at no cost. > Window-Eyes > is a screen reader that enables people who are blind, visually impaired, or > print > disabled to have full access to Windows PCs and makes the computer accessible > via > speech and/or Braille. > To better deliver Window-Eyes to the people who need it most, GW Micro and > Microsoft > have collaborated on this global initiative, available in over 15 languages, > to enable > anyone using Microsoft Office 2010 or later to also use Window-Eyes for free. > Access to technology is critical to people who are blind or visually impaired > in > order to have the same opportunity to compete in the workplace. As such, this > initiative > between GW Micro and Microsoft has the potential to reduce barriers for > millions > of people who are blind or visually impaired around the world. > As the population ages, technologies like Window-Eyes will become more and > more important > as the number of people with age-related macular degeneration and other > retinal degenerative > diseases increases. " > This significant change in the way we are doing business reflects the > changing perception > of accessibility and also technology in general. > Rather than wait for the world to change, Microsoft and GW Micro are > leading the > way > ," said Dan Weirich, Vice President of Sales and Marketing for GW Micro. > Weirich believes this technology can help millions of people gain access to > their > PC, and that providing it free of charge will open a whole new world of > assistive > technology to many people. > In light of the rapidly changing face of technology and specifically, the > changing > face of assistive technology, the combined efforts of GW Micro and Microsoft > have > the goal of providing accessibility to people who are blind and visually > impaired > for the long term. > Microsoft continues to take accessibility seriously. > “By partnering with GW Micro in this endeavor we are demonstrating > Microsoft’s ongoing > commitment to provide all of our customers with the technology and tools to > help > each person be productive in both their work and personal lives.” > said Rob Sinclair, Chief Accessibility Officer for Microsoft. > Eligible customers, using Microsoft Office 2010 or higher, will be able to > download > a full version of Window-Eyes starting today at > www.WindowEyesForOffice.com > . > The website provides download instructions as well as additional details > about this > offer. > GW Micro, Inc. (www.gwmicro.com) has been a trusted pioneer in the adaptive > technology > industry since 1990, and continues to lead with innovative, customer driven > solutions. > Contact: > Dan Weirich, VP of Sales and Marketing > d...@gwmicro.com > (260) 489-3671 > ### > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Looks like Windows is also heading toward full screen reader built in
All. The purchased version of Window-eyes gives you the below: As per the FAQs located at http://www.windoweyesforoffice.com/FAQ/ There are a number of additional benefits offered by GW Micro when purchasing the retail version of Window-Eyes: • Free technical support with an unlimited number of incidents • Braille and large print hotkey guides (English only) • Installation CD with comprehensive audio tutorial • Eloquence and Vocalizer speech synthesizers • Ad-free experience for GW Micro’s accessible Skype client, GWConnect I hope this helps. Sean On 15/01/2014, at 6:21 AM, Bill Holton wrote: > Jan-14-2014 > FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > Fort Wayne, Indiana (January 14, 2014) - GW Micro, Inc. (www.gwmicro.com) is > proud > to make a revolutionary announcement. GW Micro and Microsoft Corp. have > partnered > to make Window-Eyes available to users of Microsoft Office at no cost. > Window-Eyes > is a screen reader that enables people who are blind, visually impaired, or > print > disabled to have full access to Windows PCs and makes the computer accessible > via > speech and/or Braille. > To better deliver Window-Eyes to the people who need it most, GW Micro and > Microsoft > have collaborated on this global initiative, available in over 15 languages, > to enable > anyone using Microsoft Office 2010 or later to also use Window-Eyes for free. > Access to technology is critical to people who are blind or visually impaired > in > order to have the same opportunity to compete in the workplace. As such, this > initiative > between GW Micro and Microsoft has the potential to reduce barriers for > millions > of people who are blind or visually impaired around the world. > As the population ages, technologies like Window-Eyes will become more and > more important > as the number of people with age-related macular degeneration and other > retinal degenerative > diseases increases. " > This significant change in the way we are doing business reflects the > changing perception > of accessibility and also technology in general. > Rather than wait for the world to change, Microsoft and GW Micro are > leading the > way > ," said Dan Weirich, Vice President of Sales and Marketing for GW Micro. > Weirich believes this technology can help millions of people gain access to > their > PC, and that providing it free of charge will open a whole new world of > assistive > technology to many people. > In light of the rapidly changing face of technology and specifically, the > changing > face of assistive technology, the combined efforts of GW Micro and Microsoft > have > the goal of providing accessibility to people who are blind and visually > impaired > for the long term. > Microsoft continues to take accessibility seriously. > “By partnering with GW Micro in this endeavor we are demonstrating > Microsoft’s ongoing > commitment to provide all of our customers with the technology and tools to > help > each person be productive in both their work and personal lives.” > said Rob Sinclair, Chief Accessibility Officer for Microsoft. > Eligible customers, using Microsoft Office 2010 or higher, will be able to > download > a full version of Window-Eyes starting today at > www.WindowEyesForOffice.com > . > The website provides download instructions as well as additional details > about this > offer. > GW Micro, Inc. (www.gwmicro.com) has been a trusted pioneer in the adaptive > technology > industry since 1990, and continues to lead with innovative, customer driven > solutions. > Contact: > Dan Weirich, VP of Sales and Marketing > d...@gwmicro.com > (260) 489-3671 > ### > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email tomacvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email tomacvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visithttps://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Looks like Windows is also heading toward full screen reader built in
Very interesting. If it does work in the manner people are outlining. Then Microsoft have killed their own inbuilt screen reader, FS have a real major challenge in front of them and NVDA could stay around with the loyal support. This means those people who are using NVDA must really be very supportive of this group to keep it in the market. The partnership between Ms and GW must have some finicial gain for GW otherwise they will go under. I think the model is excellent and is aggressive. How will the others compete. I do have a licence of Window-eyes and haven't spent the time to learn it in depth. It looks like it is time now. On 16/01/2014, at 10:42 AM, "Brent Harding" wrote: > No, as I understand it, Window-eyes works as it normally does with every > program, just requiring that Office be on the system. > > - Original Message - From: "Karen Lewellen" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2014 3:44 PM > Subject: Re: Looks like Windows is also heading toward full screen reader > built in > > > question? > granted I am not now nor have I ever been a windows user. still if I > follow this, you can use windoweyes, for one piece of software? just what > happens if after you download the single ticket for office, and try to > use the program for something else? > Allowing it to work with only one piece of software in no way to my mind > translates into built in speech. That means one thing, you turn on an item > and find if you require it, speech across the board. Either that or you > turn on the program as an extra and find speech across the board. No less > at least to me. > Kare > > On Tue, 14 Jan 2014, erik burggraaf wrote: > >> Wow, Well, this is officially O/T I guess, but I couldn't help laughing at >> this. I had been a loyal window-eyes user on the windows side, but have >> switched to NVDA full time now because of better UIA support, better access >> to flash and other dynamic content, better braille support, and touch screen >> support which window-eyes has not at all. There hasn't been a revolutionary >> development in the window-eyes world in 5 years or more since they >> introduced open scripting in version 7. >> >> Leading the way is pure propaganda at this point, but I guess doug and Dan >> have well stocked RRSP's at this point and don't really have to giddyup >> these days. >> >> Best, >> >> Erik Burggraaf >> Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194 >> or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com >> >> On 2014-01-14, at 2:21 PM, Bill Holton wrote: >> >>> Jan-14-2014 >>> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE >>> Fort Wayne, Indiana (January 14, 2014) - GW Micro, Inc. (www.gwmicro.com) >>> is proud >>> to make a revolutionary announcement. GW Micro and Microsoft Corp. have >>> partnered >>> to make Window-Eyes available to users of Microsoft Office at no cost. >>> Window-Eyes >>> is a screen reader that enables people who are blind, visually impaired, or >>> print >>> disabled to have full access to Windows PCs and makes the computer >>> accessible via >>> speech and/or Braille. >>> To better deliver Window-Eyes to the people who need it most, GW Micro and >>> Microsoft >>> have collaborated on this global initiative, available in over 15 >>> languages, to enable >>> anyone using Microsoft Office 2010 or later to also use Window-Eyes for >>> free. >>> Access to technology is critical to people who are blind or visually >>> impaired in >>> order to have the same opportunity to compete in the workplace. As such, >>> this initiative >>> between GW Micro and Microsoft has the potential to reduce barriers for >>> millions >>> of people who are blind or visually impaired around the world. >>> As the population ages, technologies like Window-Eyes will become more and >>> more important >>> as the number of people with age-related macular degeneration and other >>> retinal degenerative >>> diseases increases. " >>> This significant change in the way we are doing business reflects the >>> changing perception >>> of accessibility and also technology in general. >>> Rather than wait for the world to change, Microsoft and GW Micro are >>> leading the >>> way >>> ," said Dan Weirich, Vice President of Sales and Marketing for GW Micro. >>> Weirich believes this technology can help millions of people gain access to >>> their >>> PC, and that provi
Re: Looks like Windows is also heading toward full screen reader built in
No, as I understand it, Window-eyes works as it normally does with every program, just requiring that Office be on the system. - Original Message - From: "Karen Lewellen" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2014 3:44 PM Subject: Re: Looks like Windows is also heading toward full screen reader built in question? granted I am not now nor have I ever been a windows user. still if I follow this, you can use windoweyes, for one piece of software? just what happens if after you download the single ticket for office, and try to use the program for something else? Allowing it to work with only one piece of software in no way to my mind translates into built in speech. That means one thing, you turn on an item and find if you require it, speech across the board. Either that or you turn on the program as an extra and find speech across the board. No less at least to me. Kare On Tue, 14 Jan 2014, erik burggraaf wrote: Wow, Well, this is officially O/T I guess, but I couldn't help laughing at this. I had been a loyal window-eyes user on the windows side, but have switched to NVDA full time now because of better UIA support, better access to flash and other dynamic content, better braille support, and touch screen support which window-eyes has not at all. There hasn't been a revolutionary development in the window-eyes world in 5 years or more since they introduced open scripting in version 7. Leading the way is pure propaganda at this point, but I guess doug and Dan have well stocked RRSP's at this point and don't really have to giddyup these days. Best, Erik Burggraaf Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194 or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com On 2014-01-14, at 2:21 PM, Bill Holton wrote: Jan-14-2014 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Fort Wayne, Indiana (January 14, 2014) - GW Micro, Inc. (www.gwmicro.com) is proud to make a revolutionary announcement. GW Micro and Microsoft Corp. have partnered to make Window-Eyes available to users of Microsoft Office at no cost. Window-Eyes is a screen reader that enables people who are blind, visually impaired, or print disabled to have full access to Windows PCs and makes the computer accessible via speech and/or Braille. To better deliver Window-Eyes to the people who need it most, GW Micro and Microsoft have collaborated on this global initiative, available in over 15 languages, to enable anyone using Microsoft Office 2010 or later to also use Window-Eyes for free. Access to technology is critical to people who are blind or visually impaired in order to have the same opportunity to compete in the workplace. As such, this initiative between GW Micro and Microsoft has the potential to reduce barriers for millions of people who are blind or visually impaired around the world. As the population ages, technologies like Window-Eyes will become more and more important as the number of people with age-related macular degeneration and other retinal degenerative diseases increases. " This significant change in the way we are doing business reflects the changing perception of accessibility and also technology in general. Rather than wait for the world to change, Microsoft and GW Micro are leading the way ," said Dan Weirich, Vice President of Sales and Marketing for GW Micro. Weirich believes this technology can help millions of people gain access to their PC, and that providing it free of charge will open a whole new world of assistive technology to many people. In light of the rapidly changing face of technology and specifically, the changing face of assistive technology, the combined efforts of GW Micro and Microsoft have the goal of providing accessibility to people who are blind and visually impaired for the long term. Microsoft continues to take accessibility seriously. “By partnering with GW Micro in this endeavor we are demonstrating Microsoft’s ongoing commitment to provide all of our customers with the technology and tools to help each person be productive in both their work and personal lives.” said Rob Sinclair, Chief Accessibility Officer for Microsoft. Eligible customers, using Microsoft Office 2010 or higher, will be able to download a full version of Window-Eyes starting today at www.WindowEyesForOffice.com . The website provides download instructions as well as additional details about this offer. GW Micro, Inc. (www.gwmicro.com) has been a trusted pioneer in the adaptive technology industry since 1990, and continues to lead with innovative, customer driven solutions. Contact: Dan Weirich, VP of Sales and Marketing d...@gwmicro.com (260) 489-3671 ### -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisi
Re: Looks like Windows is also heading toward full screen reader built in
I could see it working out well in schools and for employment, unless this offer is only for individuals for personal use, kind of like System Access to Go. The big question of the day is, now that GW won't be getting nearly as many full-price copies sold, what will become of them as a company since unlimited support isn't a big enough draw for most of us to forego this and pay full price? - Original Message - From: "Teresa Cochran" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2014 1:44 PM Subject: Re: Looks like Windows is also heading toward full screen reader built in It’s not quite built-in. Of course, someone has to buy Microsoft Office to be able to use window-eyes for free. And it’s still basically out-sourcing the screen-reader. It’s going to work out well for some folks. Teresa "Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read."--Groucho Marx On Jan 14, 2014, at 11:38 AM, Daniel Hawkins wrote: Hmm interesting. Since I went blind last year, I started on the Mac first. Two weeks I started to learn Windows 7 with NVDA. So, what does this mean? Will others find Windows Eye better now since it is cheaper? Or will most Windows users still use JAWS or NVDA? Daniel Hawkins - Posted from my Macbook Pro 2012 15in. Macbook Pro 2.3 Quad-core i7 4GB DDR3 500GB HDD Dual Boot: Windows 7 Ultimate Edition 64-bit On Jan 14, 2014, at 1:44 PM, erik burggraaf wrote: Wow, Well, this is officially O/T I guess, but I couldn't help laughing at this. I had been a loyal window-eyes user on the windows side, but have switched to NVDA full time now because of better UIA support, better access to flash and other dynamic content, better braille support, and touch screen support which window-eyes has not at all. There hasn't been a revolutionary development in the window-eyes world in 5 years or more since they introduced open scripting in version 7. Leading the way is pure propaganda at this point, but I guess doug and Dan have well stocked RRSP's at this point and don't really have to giddyup these days. Best, Erik Burggraaf Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194 or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com On 2014-01-14, at 2:21 PM, Bill Holton wrote: Jan-14-2014 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Fort Wayne, Indiana (January 14, 2014) - GW Micro, Inc. (www.gwmicro.com) is proud to make a revolutionary announcement. GW Micro and Microsoft Corp. have partnered to make Window-Eyes available to users of Microsoft Office at no cost. Window-Eyes is a screen reader that enables people who are blind, visually impaired, or print disabled to have full access to Windows PCs and makes the computer accessible via speech and/or Braille. To better deliver Window-Eyes to the people who need it most, GW Micro and Microsoft have collaborated on this global initiative, available in over 15 languages, to enable anyone using Microsoft Office 2010 or later to also use Window-Eyes for free. Access to technology is critical to people who are blind or visually impaired in order to have the same opportunity to compete in the workplace. As such, this initiative between GW Micro and Microsoft has the potential to reduce barriers for millions of people who are blind or visually impaired around the world. As the population ages, technologies like Window-Eyes will become more and more important as the number of people with age-related macular degeneration and other retinal degenerative diseases increases. " This significant change in the way we are doing business reflects the changing perception of accessibility and also technology in general. Rather than wait for the world to change, Microsoft and GW Micro are leading the way ," said Dan Weirich, Vice President of Sales and Marketing for GW Micro. Weirich believes this technology can help millions of people gain access to their PC, and that providing it free of charge will open a whole new world of assistive technology to many people. In light of the rapidly changing face of technology and specifically, the changing face of assistive technology, the combined efforts of GW Micro and Microsoft have the goal of providing accessibility to people who are blind and visually impaired for the long term. Microsoft continues to take accessibility seriously. “By partnering with GW Micro in this endeavor we are demonstrating Microsoft’s ongoing commitment to provide all of our customers with the technology and tools to help each person be productive in both their work and personal lives.” said Rob Sinclair, Chief Accessibility Officer for Microsoft. Eligible customers, using Microsoft Office 2010 or higher, will be able to download a full version of Window-Eyes starting today at www.WindowEyesForOffice.com . The website provides download instructions as well as additional details about this offer. GW Micro, Inc. (www.gwmicr
RE: Looks like Windows is also heading toward full screen reader built in
My guess is they are not giving it away, MS is paying them to distribute it. A bit of a difference. "Giving it away" means no revenue, no money to pay developers. My guess is now they have more money for developers. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Karen Lewellen Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2014 8:48 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Looks like Windows is also heading toward full screen reader built in Actually I would still have it. would it facilitate list discussion if I reposted it here? Karen On Tue, 14 Jan 2014, erik burggraaf wrote: > They did something very silly like that. I've just done a quick search though and I can't find it. It seems they took down their blog. > > Of course it's still in the list archives from some time in 2010 I think, but I can't get a search of the archives to work either. > > Best, > > Erik Burggraaf > Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194 > or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com > > On 2014-01-14, at 6:52 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: > >> did not someone at gW Micro go on record publicly once staying that giving a screen reader away is bad for its users? Not an exact quote I realize, but is not this correct? >> Kare >> >> On Tue, 14 Jan 2014, Brian Fischler wrote: >> >>> While this was nice to hear, I to practically fell out of my chair laughing when the press release mentioned "leading the way," I guess trying to catch up to what Apple has been doing for the past several years translates to leading the way, hilarious. >>> On Jan 14, 2014, at 2:44 PM, erik burggraaf wrote: >>> >>>> Wow, Well, this is officially O/T I guess, but I couldn't help laughing at this. I had been a loyal window-eyes user on the windows side, but have switched to NVDA full time now because of better UIA support, better access to flash and other dynamic content, better braille support, and touch screen support which window-eyes has not at all. There hasn't been a revolutionary development in the window-eyes world in 5 years or more since they introduced open scripting in version 7. >>>> >>>> Leading the way is pure propaganda at this point, but I guess doug and Dan have well stocked RRSP's at this point and don't really have to giddyup these days. >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> >>>> Erik Burggraaf >>>> Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194 >>>> or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com >>>> >>>> On 2014-01-14, at 2:21 PM, Bill Holton wrote: >>>> >>>>> Jan-14-2014 >>>>> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE >>>>> Fort Wayne, Indiana (January 14, 2014) - GW Micro, Inc. (www.gwmicro.com) is proud >>>>> to make a revolutionary announcement. GW Micro and Microsoft Corp. have partnered >>>>> to make Window-Eyes available to users of Microsoft Office at no cost. Window-Eyes >>>>> is a screen reader that enables people who are blind, visually impaired, or print >>>>> disabled to have full access to Windows PCs and makes the computer accessible via >>>>> speech and/or Braille. >>>>> To better deliver Window-Eyes to the people who need it most, GW Micro and Microsoft >>>>> have collaborated on this global initiative, available in over 15 languages, to enable >>>>> anyone using Microsoft Office 2010 or later to also use Window-Eyes for free. >>>>> Access to technology is critical to people who are blind or visually impaired in >>>>> order to have the same opportunity to compete in the workplace. As such, this initiative >>>>> between GW Micro and Microsoft has the potential to reduce barriers for millions >>>>> of people who are blind or visually impaired around the world. >>>>> As the population ages, technologies like Window-Eyes will become more and more important >>>>> as the number of people with age-related macular degeneration and other retinal degenerative >>>>> diseases increases. " >>>>> This significant change in the way we are doing business reflects the changing perception >>>>> of accessibility and also technology in general. >>>>> Rather than wait for the world to change, Microsoft and GW Micro are leading the >>>>> way >>>>> ," said Dan Weirich, Vice President of Sales and Marketing for GW Micro. >>>>> Weirich believes this technology can help millions of people gain access to their >>>>> PC, and that pro
Re: Looks like Windows is also heading toward full screen reader built in
I suspect that this is just the opening salvo in the end of the Window screen reader war. I suspect we will see WindowEye become the built in screen reader of Windows and with that JAWS and the other will die on the vine as it were. No one is going to pay for a screen reader if they get one for free in the OS. This is likely being driven somewhat by the proposed FCC rule on accessibility to consumer electronics. Greg On Wednesday, 15 January 2014 03:21:50 UTC+8, BillH wrote: > > Jan-14-2014 > > FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > > Fort Wayne, Indiana (January 14, 2014) - GW Micro, Inc. (www.gwmicro.com) > is proud > > to make a revolutionary announcement. GW Micro and Microsoft Corp. have > partnered > > to make Window-Eyes available to users of Microsoft Office at no cost. > Window-Eyes > > is a screen reader that enables people who are blind, visually impaired, > or print > > disabled to have full access to Windows PCs and makes the computer > accessible via > > speech and/or Braille. > > To better deliver Window-Eyes to the people who need it most, GW Micro and > Microsoft > > have collaborated on this global initiative, available in over 15 > languages, to enable > > anyone using Microsoft Office 2010 or later to also use Window-Eyes for > free. > > Access to technology is critical to people who are blind or visually > impaired in > > order to have the same opportunity to compete in the workplace. As such, > this initiative > > between GW Micro and Microsoft has the potential to reduce barriers for > millions > > of people who are blind or visually impaired around the world. > > As the population ages, technologies like Window-Eyes will become more and > more important > > as the number of people with age-related macular degeneration and other > retinal degenerative > > diseases increases. " > > This significant change in the way we are doing business reflects the > changing perception > > of accessibility and also technology in general. > > Rather than wait for the world to change, Microsoft and GW Micro are > leading the > > way > > ," said Dan Weirich, Vice President of Sales and Marketing for GW Micro. > > Weirich believes this technology can help millions of people gain access > to their > > PC, and that providing it free of charge will open a whole new world of > assistive > > technology to many people. > > In light of the rapidly changing face of technology and specifically, the > changing > > face of assistive technology, the combined efforts of GW Micro and > Microsoft have > > the goal of providing accessibility to people who are blind and visually > impaired > > for the long term. > > Microsoft continues to take accessibility seriously. > > “By partnering with GW Micro in this endeavor we are demonstrating > Microsoft’s ongoing > > commitment to provide all of our customers with the technology and tools > to help > > each person be productive in both their work and personal lives.” > > said Rob Sinclair, Chief Accessibility Officer for Microsoft. > > Eligible customers, using Microsoft Office 2010 or higher, will be able to > download > > a full version of Window-Eyes starting today at > > www.WindowEyesForOffice.com > > . > > The website provides download instructions as well as additional details > about this > > offer. > > GW Micro, Inc. (www.gwmicro.com) has been a trusted pioneer in the > adaptive technology > > industry since 1990, and continues to lead with innovative, customer > driven solutions. > > Contact: > > Dan Weirich, VP of Sales and Marketing > > d...@gwmicro.com > > (260) 489-3671 > > ### > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Looks like Windows is also heading toward full screen reader built in
Actually I would still have it. would it facilitate list discussion if I reposted it here? Karen On Tue, 14 Jan 2014, erik burggraaf wrote: They did something very silly like that. I've just done a quick search though and I can't find it. It seems they took down their blog. Of course it's still in the list archives from some time in 2010 I think, but I can't get a search of the archives to work either. Best, Erik Burggraaf Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194 or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com On 2014-01-14, at 6:52 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: did not someone at gW Micro go on record publicly once staying that giving a screen reader away is bad for its users? Not an exact quote I realize, but is not this correct? Kare On Tue, 14 Jan 2014, Brian Fischler wrote: While this was nice to hear, I to practically fell out of my chair laughing when the press release mentioned “leading the way,” I guess trying to catch up to what Apple has been doing for the past several years translates to leading the way, hilarious. On Jan 14, 2014, at 2:44 PM, erik burggraaf wrote: Wow, Well, this is officially O/T I guess, but I couldn't help laughing at this. I had been a loyal window-eyes user on the windows side, but have switched to NVDA full time now because of better UIA support, better access to flash and other dynamic content, better braille support, and touch screen support which window-eyes has not at all. There hasn't been a revolutionary development in the window-eyes world in 5 years or more since they introduced open scripting in version 7. Leading the way is pure propaganda at this point, but I guess doug and Dan have well stocked RRSP's at this point and don't really have to giddyup these days. Best, Erik Burggraaf Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194 or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com On 2014-01-14, at 2:21 PM, Bill Holton wrote: Jan-14-2014 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Fort Wayne, Indiana (January 14, 2014) - GW Micro, Inc. (www.gwmicro.com) is proud to make a revolutionary announcement. GW Micro and Microsoft Corp. have partnered to make Window-Eyes available to users of Microsoft Office at no cost. Window-Eyes is a screen reader that enables people who are blind, visually impaired, or print disabled to have full access to Windows PCs and makes the computer accessible via speech and/or Braille. To better deliver Window-Eyes to the people who need it most, GW Micro and Microsoft have collaborated on this global initiative, available in over 15 languages, to enable anyone using Microsoft Office 2010 or later to also use Window-Eyes for free. Access to technology is critical to people who are blind or visually impaired in order to have the same opportunity to compete in the workplace. As such, this initiative between GW Micro and Microsoft has the potential to reduce barriers for millions of people who are blind or visually impaired around the world. As the population ages, technologies like Window-Eyes will become more and more important as the number of people with age-related macular degeneration and other retinal degenerative diseases increases. " This significant change in the way we are doing business reflects the changing perception of accessibility and also technology in general. Rather than wait for the world to change, Microsoft and GW Micro are leading the way ," said Dan Weirich, Vice President of Sales and Marketing for GW Micro. Weirich believes this technology can help millions of people gain access to their PC, and that providing it free of charge will open a whole new world of assistive technology to many people. In light of the rapidly changing face of technology and specifically, the changing face of assistive technology, the combined efforts of GW Micro and Microsoft have the goal of providing accessibility to people who are blind and visually impaired for the long term. Microsoft continues to take accessibility seriously. “By partnering with GW Micro in this endeavor we are demonstrating Microsoft’s ongoing commitment to provide all of our customers with the technology and tools to help each person be productive in both their work and personal lives.” said Rob Sinclair, Chief Accessibility Officer for Microsoft. Eligible customers, using Microsoft Office 2010 or higher, will be able to download a full version of Window-Eyes starting today at www.WindowEyesForOffice.com . The website provides download instructions as well as additional details about this offer. GW Micro, Inc. (www.gwmicro.com) has been a trusted pioneer in the adaptive technology industry since 1990, and continues to lead with innovative, customer driven solutions. Contact: Dan Weirich, VP of Sales and Marketing d...@gwmicro.com (260) 489-3671 ### -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to
Re: Looks like Windows is also heading toward full screen reader built in
Yes, but lots of people already own Office. Not saying this solution is as good as that of the Mac, but I do believe that the more options we have, the better. I work with students who couldn't shift from Windows if they tried. I'm glad that there's now an option available to them that doesn't cost $1000. Cheers, Donna On Jan 14, 2014, at 5:25 PM, John Panarese wrote: > Well, when you get down to it, it's still a bolt on screen reader > developed by a third party. I think this was a great move on the part of GW > Micro, but I really don't see how this will set Windows apart from what Apple > has done. You still have to buy Office. > > > Take Care > > John D. Panarese > Director > Mac for the Blind > Tel, (631) 724-4479 > Email, j...@macfortheblind.com > Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com > > APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX Mountain Lion and LION > > AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE > > MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT > > > > > On Jan 14, 2014, at 6:19 PM, Brian Fischler wrote: > >> While this was nice to hear, I to practically fell out of my chair laughing >> when the press release mentioned “leading the way,” I guess trying to catch >> up to what Apple has been doing for the past several years translates to >> leading the way, hilarious. >> On Jan 14, 2014, at 2:44 PM, erik burggraaf wrote: >> >>> Wow, Well, this is officially O/T I guess, but I couldn't help laughing at >>> this. I had been a loyal window-eyes user on the windows side, but have >>> switched to NVDA full time now because of better UIA support, better access >>> to flash and other dynamic content, better braille support, and touch >>> screen support which window-eyes has not at all. There hasn't been a >>> revolutionary development in the window-eyes world in 5 years or more since >>> they introduced open scripting in version 7. >>> >>> Leading the way is pure propaganda at this point, but I guess doug and Dan >>> have well stocked RRSP's at this point and don't really have to giddyup >>> these days. >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Erik Burggraaf >>> Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194 >>> or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com >>> >>> On 2014-01-14, at 2:21 PM, Bill Holton wrote: >>> Jan-14-2014 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Fort Wayne, Indiana (January 14, 2014) - GW Micro, Inc. (www.gwmicro.com) is proud to make a revolutionary announcement. GW Micro and Microsoft Corp. have partnered to make Window-Eyes available to users of Microsoft Office at no cost. Window-Eyes is a screen reader that enables people who are blind, visually impaired, or print disabled to have full access to Windows PCs and makes the computer accessible via speech and/or Braille. To better deliver Window-Eyes to the people who need it most, GW Micro and Microsoft have collaborated on this global initiative, available in over 15 languages, to enable anyone using Microsoft Office 2010 or later to also use Window-Eyes for free. Access to technology is critical to people who are blind or visually impaired in order to have the same opportunity to compete in the workplace. As such, this initiative between GW Micro and Microsoft has the potential to reduce barriers for millions of people who are blind or visually impaired around the world. As the population ages, technologies like Window-Eyes will become more and more important as the number of people with age-related macular degeneration and other retinal degenerative diseases increases. " This significant change in the way we are doing business reflects the changing perception of accessibility and also technology in general. Rather than wait for the world to change, Microsoft and GW Micro are leading the way ," said Dan Weirich, Vice President of Sales and Marketing for GW Micro. Weirich believes this technology can help millions of people gain access to their PC, and that providing it free of charge will open a whole new world of assistive technology to many people. In light of the rapidly changing face of technology and specifically, the changing face of assistive technology, the combined efforts of GW Micro and Microsoft have the goal of providing accessibility to people who are blind and visually impaired for the long term. Microsoft continues to take accessibility seriously. “By partnering with GW Micro in this endeavor we are demonstrating Microsoft’s ongoing commitment to provide all of our customers with the technology and tools to help each person be productive in both their work and personal lives.” said Rob Sinclair, Chief Accessibility Officer for Microsoft. Eligible customers, using Microsoft Office 2010 or higher
Re: Looks like Windows is also heading toward full screen reader built in
They did something very silly like that. I've just done a quick search though and I can't find it. It seems they took down their blog. Of course it's still in the list archives from some time in 2010 I think, but I can't get a search of the archives to work either. Best, Erik Burggraaf Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194 or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com On 2014-01-14, at 6:52 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: > did not someone at gW Micro go on record publicly once staying that giving a > screen reader away is bad for its users? Not an exact quote I realize, but > is not this correct? > Kare > > On Tue, 14 Jan 2014, Brian Fischler wrote: > >> While this was nice to hear, I to practically fell out of my chair laughing >> when the press release mentioned “leading the way,” I guess trying to catch >> up to what Apple has been doing for the past several years translates to >> leading the way, hilarious. >> On Jan 14, 2014, at 2:44 PM, erik burggraaf wrote: >> >>> Wow, Well, this is officially O/T I guess, but I couldn't help laughing at >>> this. I had been a loyal window-eyes user on the windows side, but have >>> switched to NVDA full time now because of better UIA support, better access >>> to flash and other dynamic content, better braille support, and touch >>> screen support which window-eyes has not at all. There hasn't been a >>> revolutionary development in the window-eyes world in 5 years or more since >>> they introduced open scripting in version 7. >>> >>> Leading the way is pure propaganda at this point, but I guess doug and Dan >>> have well stocked RRSP's at this point and don't really have to giddyup >>> these days. >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Erik Burggraaf >>> Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194 >>> or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com >>> >>> On 2014-01-14, at 2:21 PM, Bill Holton wrote: >>> Jan-14-2014 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Fort Wayne, Indiana (January 14, 2014) - GW Micro, Inc. (www.gwmicro.com) is proud to make a revolutionary announcement. GW Micro and Microsoft Corp. have partnered to make Window-Eyes available to users of Microsoft Office at no cost. Window-Eyes is a screen reader that enables people who are blind, visually impaired, or print disabled to have full access to Windows PCs and makes the computer accessible via speech and/or Braille. To better deliver Window-Eyes to the people who need it most, GW Micro and Microsoft have collaborated on this global initiative, available in over 15 languages, to enable anyone using Microsoft Office 2010 or later to also use Window-Eyes for free. Access to technology is critical to people who are blind or visually impaired in order to have the same opportunity to compete in the workplace. As such, this initiative between GW Micro and Microsoft has the potential to reduce barriers for millions of people who are blind or visually impaired around the world. As the population ages, technologies like Window-Eyes will become more and more important as the number of people with age-related macular degeneration and other retinal degenerative diseases increases. " This significant change in the way we are doing business reflects the changing perception of accessibility and also technology in general. Rather than wait for the world to change, Microsoft and GW Micro are leading the way ," said Dan Weirich, Vice President of Sales and Marketing for GW Micro. Weirich believes this technology can help millions of people gain access to their PC, and that providing it free of charge will open a whole new world of assistive technology to many people. In light of the rapidly changing face of technology and specifically, the changing face of assistive technology, the combined efforts of GW Micro and Microsoft have the goal of providing accessibility to people who are blind and visually impaired for the long term. Microsoft continues to take accessibility seriously. “By partnering with GW Micro in this endeavor we are demonstrating Microsoft’s ongoing commitment to provide all of our customers with the technology and tools to help each person be productive in both their work and personal lives.” said Rob Sinclair, Chief Accessibility Officer for Microsoft. Eligible customers, using Microsoft Office 2010 or higher, will be able to download a full version of Window-Eyes starting today at www.WindowEyesForOffice.com . The website provides download instructions as well as additional details about this offer. GW Micro, Inc. (www.gwmicro.com) has been a trusted pioneer in the adaptive technology industry since 1990, and continues to lead with inno
Re: Looks like Windows is also heading toward full screen reader built in
did not someone at gW Micro go on record publicly once staying that giving a screen reader away is bad for its users? Not an exact quote I realize, but is not this correct? Kare On Tue, 14 Jan 2014, Brian Fischler wrote: While this was nice to hear, I to practically fell out of my chair laughing when the press release mentioned “leading the way,” I guess trying to catch up to what Apple has been doing for the past several years translates to leading the way, hilarious. On Jan 14, 2014, at 2:44 PM, erik burggraaf wrote: Wow, Well, this is officially O/T I guess, but I couldn't help laughing at this. I had been a loyal window-eyes user on the windows side, but have switched to NVDA full time now because of better UIA support, better access to flash and other dynamic content, better braille support, and touch screen support which window-eyes has not at all. There hasn't been a revolutionary development in the window-eyes world in 5 years or more since they introduced open scripting in version 7. Leading the way is pure propaganda at this point, but I guess doug and Dan have well stocked RRSP's at this point and don't really have to giddyup these days. Best, Erik Burggraaf Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194 or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com On 2014-01-14, at 2:21 PM, Bill Holton wrote: Jan-14-2014 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Fort Wayne, Indiana (January 14, 2014) - GW Micro, Inc. (www.gwmicro.com) is proud to make a revolutionary announcement. GW Micro and Microsoft Corp. have partnered to make Window-Eyes available to users of Microsoft Office at no cost. Window-Eyes is a screen reader that enables people who are blind, visually impaired, or print disabled to have full access to Windows PCs and makes the computer accessible via speech and/or Braille. To better deliver Window-Eyes to the people who need it most, GW Micro and Microsoft have collaborated on this global initiative, available in over 15 languages, to enable anyone using Microsoft Office 2010 or later to also use Window-Eyes for free. Access to technology is critical to people who are blind or visually impaired in order to have the same opportunity to compete in the workplace. As such, this initiative between GW Micro and Microsoft has the potential to reduce barriers for millions of people who are blind or visually impaired around the world. As the population ages, technologies like Window-Eyes will become more and more important as the number of people with age-related macular degeneration and other retinal degenerative diseases increases. " This significant change in the way we are doing business reflects the changing perception of accessibility and also technology in general. Rather than wait for the world to change, Microsoft and GW Micro are leading the way ," said Dan Weirich, Vice President of Sales and Marketing for GW Micro. Weirich believes this technology can help millions of people gain access to their PC, and that providing it free of charge will open a whole new world of assistive technology to many people. In light of the rapidly changing face of technology and specifically, the changing face of assistive technology, the combined efforts of GW Micro and Microsoft have the goal of providing accessibility to people who are blind and visually impaired for the long term. Microsoft continues to take accessibility seriously. “By partnering with GW Micro in this endeavor we are demonstrating Microsoft’s ongoing commitment to provide all of our customers with the technology and tools to help each person be productive in both their work and personal lives.” said Rob Sinclair, Chief Accessibility Officer for Microsoft. Eligible customers, using Microsoft Office 2010 or higher, will be able to download a full version of Window-Eyes starting today at www.WindowEyesForOffice.com . The website provides download instructions as well as additional details about this offer. GW Micro, Inc. (www.gwmicro.com) has been a trusted pioneer in the adaptive technology industry since 1990, and continues to lead with innovative, customer driven solutions. Contact: Dan Weirich, VP of Sales and Marketing d...@gwmicro.com (260) 489-3671 ### -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://gr
Re: Looks like Windows is also heading toward full screen reader built in
Well, when you get down to it, it's still a bolt on screen reader developed by a third party. I think this was a great move on the part of GW Micro, but I really don't see how this will set Windows apart from what Apple has done. You still have to buy Office. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX Mountain Lion and LION AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Jan 14, 2014, at 6:19 PM, Brian Fischler wrote: > While this was nice to hear, I to practically fell out of my chair laughing > when the press release mentioned “leading the way,” I guess trying to catch > up to what Apple has been doing for the past several years translates to > leading the way, hilarious. > On Jan 14, 2014, at 2:44 PM, erik burggraaf wrote: > >> Wow, Well, this is officially O/T I guess, but I couldn't help laughing at >> this. I had been a loyal window-eyes user on the windows side, but have >> switched to NVDA full time now because of better UIA support, better access >> to flash and other dynamic content, better braille support, and touch screen >> support which window-eyes has not at all. There hasn't been a revolutionary >> development in the window-eyes world in 5 years or more since they >> introduced open scripting in version 7. >> >> Leading the way is pure propaganda at this point, but I guess doug and Dan >> have well stocked RRSP's at this point and don't really have to giddyup >> these days. >> >> Best, >> >> Erik Burggraaf >> Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194 >> or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com >> >> On 2014-01-14, at 2:21 PM, Bill Holton wrote: >> >>> Jan-14-2014 >>> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE >>> Fort Wayne, Indiana (January 14, 2014) - GW Micro, Inc. (www.gwmicro.com) >>> is proud >>> to make a revolutionary announcement. GW Micro and Microsoft Corp. have >>> partnered >>> to make Window-Eyes available to users of Microsoft Office at no cost. >>> Window-Eyes >>> is a screen reader that enables people who are blind, visually impaired, or >>> print >>> disabled to have full access to Windows PCs and makes the computer >>> accessible via >>> speech and/or Braille. >>> To better deliver Window-Eyes to the people who need it most, GW Micro and >>> Microsoft >>> have collaborated on this global initiative, available in over 15 >>> languages, to enable >>> anyone using Microsoft Office 2010 or later to also use Window-Eyes for >>> free. >>> Access to technology is critical to people who are blind or visually >>> impaired in >>> order to have the same opportunity to compete in the workplace. As such, >>> this initiative >>> between GW Micro and Microsoft has the potential to reduce barriers for >>> millions >>> of people who are blind or visually impaired around the world. >>> As the population ages, technologies like Window-Eyes will become more and >>> more important >>> as the number of people with age-related macular degeneration and other >>> retinal degenerative >>> diseases increases. " >>> This significant change in the way we are doing business reflects the >>> changing perception >>> of accessibility and also technology in general. >>> Rather than wait for the world to change, Microsoft and GW Micro are >>> leading the >>> way >>> ," said Dan Weirich, Vice President of Sales and Marketing for GW Micro. >>> Weirich believes this technology can help millions of people gain access to >>> their >>> PC, and that providing it free of charge will open a whole new world of >>> assistive >>> technology to many people. >>> In light of the rapidly changing face of technology and specifically, the >>> changing >>> face of assistive technology, the combined efforts of GW Micro and >>> Microsoft have >>> the goal of providing accessibility to people who are blind and visually >>> impaired >>> for the long term. >>> Microsoft continues to take accessibility seriously. >>> “By partnering with GW Micro in this endeavor we are demonstrating >>> Microsoft’s ongoing >>> commitment to provide all of our customers with the technology and tools to >>> help >>> each person be productive in both their work and personal lives.” >>> said Rob Sinclair, Chief Accessibility Officer for Microsoft. >>> Eligible customers, using Microsoft Office 2010 or higher, will be able to >>> download >>> a full version of Window-Eyes starting today at >>> www.WindowEyesForOffice.com >>> . >>> The website provides download instructions as well as additional details >>> about this >>> offer. >>> GW Micro, Inc. (www.gwmicro.com) has been a trusted pioneer in the adaptive >>> technology >>> industry since 1990, and continues to lead with innovative, customer driven >>> solutions. >>> Contact: >>> Dan Weirich, VP of Sales and Marketing >>> d...@gwmicro.com >>> (260) 489-3671 >
Re: Looks like Windows is also heading toward full screen reader built in
While this was nice to hear, I to practically fell out of my chair laughing when the press release mentioned “leading the way,” I guess trying to catch up to what Apple has been doing for the past several years translates to leading the way, hilarious. On Jan 14, 2014, at 2:44 PM, erik burggraaf wrote: > Wow, Well, this is officially O/T I guess, but I couldn't help laughing at > this. I had been a loyal window-eyes user on the windows side, but have > switched to NVDA full time now because of better UIA support, better access > to flash and other dynamic content, better braille support, and touch screen > support which window-eyes has not at all. There hasn't been a revolutionary > development in the window-eyes world in 5 years or more since they introduced > open scripting in version 7. > > Leading the way is pure propaganda at this point, but I guess doug and Dan > have well stocked RRSP's at this point and don't really have to giddyup these > days. > > Best, > > Erik Burggraaf > Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194 > or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com > > On 2014-01-14, at 2:21 PM, Bill Holton wrote: > >> Jan-14-2014 >> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE >> Fort Wayne, Indiana (January 14, 2014) - GW Micro, Inc. (www.gwmicro.com) is >> proud >> to make a revolutionary announcement. GW Micro and Microsoft Corp. have >> partnered >> to make Window-Eyes available to users of Microsoft Office at no cost. >> Window-Eyes >> is a screen reader that enables people who are blind, visually impaired, or >> print >> disabled to have full access to Windows PCs and makes the computer >> accessible via >> speech and/or Braille. >> To better deliver Window-Eyes to the people who need it most, GW Micro and >> Microsoft >> have collaborated on this global initiative, available in over 15 languages, >> to enable >> anyone using Microsoft Office 2010 or later to also use Window-Eyes for free. >> Access to technology is critical to people who are blind or visually >> impaired in >> order to have the same opportunity to compete in the workplace. As such, >> this initiative >> between GW Micro and Microsoft has the potential to reduce barriers for >> millions >> of people who are blind or visually impaired around the world. >> As the population ages, technologies like Window-Eyes will become more and >> more important >> as the number of people with age-related macular degeneration and other >> retinal degenerative >> diseases increases. " >> This significant change in the way we are doing business reflects the >> changing perception >> of accessibility and also technology in general. >> Rather than wait for the world to change, Microsoft and GW Micro are >> leading the >> way >> ," said Dan Weirich, Vice President of Sales and Marketing for GW Micro. >> Weirich believes this technology can help millions of people gain access to >> their >> PC, and that providing it free of charge will open a whole new world of >> assistive >> technology to many people. >> In light of the rapidly changing face of technology and specifically, the >> changing >> face of assistive technology, the combined efforts of GW Micro and Microsoft >> have >> the goal of providing accessibility to people who are blind and visually >> impaired >> for the long term. >> Microsoft continues to take accessibility seriously. >> “By partnering with GW Micro in this endeavor we are demonstrating >> Microsoft’s ongoing >> commitment to provide all of our customers with the technology and tools to >> help >> each person be productive in both their work and personal lives.” >> said Rob Sinclair, Chief Accessibility Officer for Microsoft. >> Eligible customers, using Microsoft Office 2010 or higher, will be able to >> download >> a full version of Window-Eyes starting today at >> www.WindowEyesForOffice.com >> . >> The website provides download instructions as well as additional details >> about this >> offer. >> GW Micro, Inc. (www.gwmicro.com) has been a trusted pioneer in the adaptive >> technology >> industry since 1990, and continues to lead with innovative, customer driven >> solutions. >> Contact: >> Dan Weirich, VP of Sales and Marketing >> d...@gwmicro.com >> (260) 489-3671 >> ### >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group,
Re: Looks like Windows is also heading toward full screen reader built in
I suspect it is the ongoing evolution of the OS/platform. Back in the day people downloaded and installed Stuffit Expander or paid for shareware like ZipIt just to decompress downloaded files. Those apps are seldom needed today because the OS takes care of it. So the stuff that was new and innovative becomes the infrastructure of the base today. Maybe screen readers (along with magnifiers, on screen keyboards etc.) are now migrating to standard expected infrastructure rather than something you download, install and add-on. That frees users to move on to higher-level stuff like making things and being creative. I'm curious how Freedom Scientific will react as the market migrates from high-end specialty to free/included commodity. Stuff that used to require a high-end ProTools system is now basic GarageBand. CB On 1/14/14 5:24 PM, Eileen Misrahi wrote: Hi Chris & all, I believe this is a coo for GW Micro, with the partnership with Microsoft. However, this brings me back to those of us who have purchased WE and have supported GW Micro for all these years and I don't regret the ability to support them. I bet there will be some individuals that will get upset about this, but this is progress and if vendors in the AT arena want to survive, they need to think out-of-the-box and be innovative. I guess Apple with Voiceover is finally rubbing off on the PC screen reader side. I applaud GW Micro. JMO. Best, Eileen On Jan 14, 2014, at 2:08 PM, Chris H wrote: Hi Window-Eyes can be used across the board, just that so long as Office 2010 or later is installed you can use Window-Eyes minus the 30 minute demonstration mode, in other words you can use a fully functional copy of Window-Eyes to be used across the board just by installing Office 2010 or later on your system. Regards Chris On 14/01/2014 21:44, Karen Lewellen wrote: question? granted I am not now nor have I ever been a windows user. still if I follow this, you can use windoweyes, for one piece of software? just what happens if after you download the single ticket for office, and try to use the program for something else? Allowing it to work with only one piece of software in no way to my mind translates into built in speech. That means one thing, you turn on an item and find if you require it, speech across the board. Either that or you turn on the program as an extra and find speech across the board. No less at least to me. Kare On Tue, 14 Jan 2014, erik burggraaf wrote: Wow, Well, this is officially O/T I guess, but I couldn't help laughing at this. I had been a loyal window-eyes user on the windows side, but have switched to NVDA full time now because of better UIA support, better access to flash and other dynamic content, better braille support, and touch screen support which window-eyes has not at all. There hasn't been a revolutionary development in the window-eyes world in 5 years or more since they introduced open scripting in version 7. Leading the way is pure propaganda at this point, but I guess doug and Dan have well stocked RRSP's at this point and don't really have to giddyup these days. Best, Erik Burggraaf Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194 or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com On 2014-01-14, at 2:21 PM, Bill Holton wrote: Jan-14-2014 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Fort Wayne, Indiana (January 14, 2014) - GW Micro, Inc. (www.gwmicro.com) is proud to make a revolutionary announcement. GW Micro and Microsoft Corp. have partnered to make Window-Eyes available to users of Microsoft Office at no cost. Window-Eyes is a screen reader that enables people who are blind, visually impaired, or print disabled to have full access to Windows PCs and makes the computer accessible via speech and/or Braille. To better deliver Window-Eyes to the people who need it most, GW Micro and Microsoft have collaborated on this global initiative, available in over 15 languages, to enable anyone using Microsoft Office 2010 or later to also use Window-Eyes for free. Access to technology is critical to people who are blind or visually impaired in order to have the same opportunity to compete in the workplace. As such, this initiative between GW Micro and Microsoft has the potential to reduce barriers for millions of people who are blind or visually impaired around the world. As the population ages, technologies like Window-Eyes will become more and more important as the number of people with age-related macular degeneration and other retinal degenerative diseases increases. " This significant change in the way we are doing business reflects the changing perception of accessibility and also technology in general. Rather than wait for the world to change, Microsoft and GW Micro are leading the way ," said Dan Weirich, Vice President of Sales and Marketing for GW Micro. Weirich believes this technology can help millions of people gain access to their PC, and that providing it free of charge will open a whole new world of
Re: Looks like Windows is also heading toward full screen reader built in
Hi Chris & all, I believe this is a coo for GW Micro, with the partnership with Microsoft. However, this brings me back to those of us who have purchased WE and have supported GW Micro for all these years and I don't regret the ability to support them. I bet there will be some individuals that will get upset about this, but this is progress and if vendors in the AT arena want to survive, they need to think out-of-the-box and be innovative. I guess Apple with Voiceover is finally rubbing off on the PC screen reader side. I applaud GW Micro. JMO. Best, Eileen On Jan 14, 2014, at 2:08 PM, Chris H wrote: > Hi > Window-Eyes can be used across the board, just that so long as Office 2010 or > later is installed you can use Window-Eyes minus the 30 minute demonstration > mode, in other words you can use a fully functional copy of Window-Eyes to be > used across the board just by installing Office 2010 or later on your system. > > Regards Chris > > On 14/01/2014 21:44, Karen Lewellen wrote: >> question? >> granted I am not now nor have I ever been a windows user. still if I >> follow this, you can use windoweyes, for one piece of software? just >> what happens if after you download the single ticket for office, and >> try to use the program for something else? >> Allowing it to work with only one piece of software in no way to my mind >> translates into built in speech. That means one thing, you turn on an >> item and find if you require it, speech across the board. Either that >> or you turn on the program as an extra and find speech across the >> board. No less at least to me. >> Kare >> >> On Tue, 14 Jan 2014, erik burggraaf wrote: >> >>> Wow, Well, this is officially O/T I guess, but I couldn't help >>> laughing at this. I had been a loyal window-eyes user on the windows >>> side, but have switched to NVDA full time now because of better UIA >>> support, better access to flash and other dynamic content, better >>> braille support, and touch screen support which window-eyes has not at >>> all. There hasn't been a revolutionary development in the window-eyes >>> world in 5 years or more since they introduced open scripting in >>> version 7. >>> >>> Leading the way is pure propaganda at this point, but I guess doug and >>> Dan have well stocked RRSP's at this point and don't really have to >>> giddyup these days. >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Erik Burggraaf >>> Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194 >>> or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com >>> >>> On 2014-01-14, at 2:21 PM, Bill Holton wrote: >>> Jan-14-2014 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Fort Wayne, Indiana (January 14, 2014) - GW Micro, Inc. (www.gwmicro.com) is proud to make a revolutionary announcement. GW Micro and Microsoft Corp. have partnered to make Window-Eyes available to users of Microsoft Office at no cost. Window-Eyes is a screen reader that enables people who are blind, visually impaired, or print disabled to have full access to Windows PCs and makes the computer accessible via speech and/or Braille. To better deliver Window-Eyes to the people who need it most, GW Micro and Microsoft have collaborated on this global initiative, available in over 15 languages, to enable anyone using Microsoft Office 2010 or later to also use Window-Eyes for free. Access to technology is critical to people who are blind or visually impaired in order to have the same opportunity to compete in the workplace. As such, this initiative between GW Micro and Microsoft has the potential to reduce barriers for millions of people who are blind or visually impaired around the world. As the population ages, technologies like Window-Eyes will become more and more important as the number of people with age-related macular degeneration and other retinal degenerative diseases increases. " This significant change in the way we are doing business reflects the changing perception of accessibility and also technology in general. Rather than wait for the world to change, Microsoft and GW Micro are leading the way ," said Dan Weirich, Vice President of Sales and Marketing for GW Micro. Weirich believes this technology can help millions of people gain access to their PC, and that providing it free of charge will open a whole new world of assistive technology to many people. In light of the rapidly changing face of technology and specifically, the changing face of assistive technology, the combined efforts of GW Micro and Microsoft have the goal of providing accessibility to people who are blind and visually impaired for the long term. Microsoft continues to take accessibility seriously. “By partnering with GW Micro in this endeavor we are demonstrating Microsoft’s ongoing commitment to provide
Re: Looks like Windows is also heading toward full screen reader built in
I don’t think that is true. I think you have to own Microsoft office in order to qualify for a free version of Window-Eyes, but once you have it, you can use it with anything. You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of Fielding Sent from my Mac Book Pro richr...@gmail.com On Jan 14, 2014, at 3:44 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: > question? > granted I am not now nor have I ever been a windows user. still if I follow > this, you can use windoweyes, for one piece of software? just what happens > if after you download the single ticket for office, and try to use the > program for something else? > Allowing it to work with only one piece of software in no way to my mind > translates into built in speech. That means one thing, you turn on an item > and find if you require it, speech across the board. Either that or you turn > on the program as an extra and find speech across the board. No less at > least to me. > Kare > > On Tue, 14 Jan 2014, erik burggraaf wrote: > >> Wow, Well, this is officially O/T I guess, but I couldn't help laughing at >> this. I had been a loyal window-eyes user on the windows side, but have >> switched to NVDA full time now because of better UIA support, better access >> to flash and other dynamic content, better braille support, and touch screen >> support which window-eyes has not at all. There hasn't been a revolutionary >> development in the window-eyes world in 5 years or more since they >> introduced open scripting in version 7. >> >> Leading the way is pure propaganda at this point, but I guess doug and Dan >> have well stocked RRSP's at this point and don't really have to giddyup >> these days. >> >> Best, >> >> Erik Burggraaf >> Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194 >> or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com >> >> On 2014-01-14, at 2:21 PM, Bill Holton wrote: >> >>> Jan-14-2014 >>> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE >>> Fort Wayne, Indiana (January 14, 2014) - GW Micro, Inc. (www.gwmicro.com) >>> is proud >>> to make a revolutionary announcement. GW Micro and Microsoft Corp. have >>> partnered >>> to make Window-Eyes available to users of Microsoft Office at no cost. >>> Window-Eyes >>> is a screen reader that enables people who are blind, visually impaired, or >>> print >>> disabled to have full access to Windows PCs and makes the computer >>> accessible via >>> speech and/or Braille. >>> To better deliver Window-Eyes to the people who need it most, GW Micro and >>> Microsoft >>> have collaborated on this global initiative, available in over 15 >>> languages, to enable >>> anyone using Microsoft Office 2010 or later to also use Window-Eyes for >>> free. >>> Access to technology is critical to people who are blind or visually >>> impaired in >>> order to have the same opportunity to compete in the workplace. As such, >>> this initiative >>> between GW Micro and Microsoft has the potential to reduce barriers for >>> millions >>> of people who are blind or visually impaired around the world. >>> As the population ages, technologies like Window-Eyes will become more and >>> more important >>> as the number of people with age-related macular degeneration and other >>> retinal degenerative >>> diseases increases. " >>> This significant change in the way we are doing business reflects the >>> changing perception >>> of accessibility and also technology in general. >>> Rather than wait for the world to change, Microsoft and GW Micro are >>> leading the >>> way >>> ," said Dan Weirich, Vice President of Sales and Marketing for GW Micro. >>> Weirich believes this technology can help millions of people gain access to >>> their >>> PC, and that providing it free of charge will open a whole new world of >>> assistive >>> technology to many people. >>> In light of the rapidly changing face of technology and specifically, the >>> changing >>> face of assistive technology, the combined efforts of GW Micro and >>> Microsoft have >>> the goal of providing accessibility to people who are blind and visually >>> impaired >>> for the long term. >>> Microsoft continues to take accessibility seriously. >>> “By partnering with GW Micro in this endeavor we are demonstrating >>> Microsoft’s ongoing >>> commitment to provide all of our customers with the technology and tools to >>> help >>> each person be productive in both their work and personal lives.” >>> said Rob Sinclair, Chief Accessibility Officer for Microsoft. >>> Eligible customers, using Microsoft Office 2010 or higher, will be able to >>> download >>> a full version of Window-Eyes starting today at >>> www.WindowEyesForOffice.com >>> . >>> The website provides download instructions as well as additional details >>> about this >>> offer. >>> GW Micro, Inc. (www.gwmicro.com) has been a trusted pioneer in the adaptive >>> technology >>> industry since 1990, and continues to lead with innovative, customer driven >>> solutions. >>> Contact: >>> Dan Weirich, VP
Re: Looks like Windows is also heading toward full screen reader built in
Hi Window-Eyes can be used across the board, just that so long as Office 2010 or later is installed you can use Window-Eyes minus the 30 minute demonstration mode, in other words you can use a fully functional copy of Window-Eyes to be used across the board just by installing Office 2010 or later on your system. Regards Chris On 14/01/2014 21:44, Karen Lewellen wrote: question? granted I am not now nor have I ever been a windows user. still if I follow this, you can use windoweyes, for one piece of software? just what happens if after you download the single ticket for office, and try to use the program for something else? Allowing it to work with only one piece of software in no way to my mind translates into built in speech. That means one thing, you turn on an item and find if you require it, speech across the board. Either that or you turn on the program as an extra and find speech across the board. No less at least to me. Kare On Tue, 14 Jan 2014, erik burggraaf wrote: Wow, Well, this is officially O/T I guess, but I couldn't help laughing at this. I had been a loyal window-eyes user on the windows side, but have switched to NVDA full time now because of better UIA support, better access to flash and other dynamic content, better braille support, and touch screen support which window-eyes has not at all. There hasn't been a revolutionary development in the window-eyes world in 5 years or more since they introduced open scripting in version 7. Leading the way is pure propaganda at this point, but I guess doug and Dan have well stocked RRSP's at this point and don't really have to giddyup these days. Best, Erik Burggraaf Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194 or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com On 2014-01-14, at 2:21 PM, Bill Holton wrote: Jan-14-2014 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Fort Wayne, Indiana (January 14, 2014) - GW Micro, Inc. (www.gwmicro.com) is proud to make a revolutionary announcement. GW Micro and Microsoft Corp. have partnered to make Window-Eyes available to users of Microsoft Office at no cost. Window-Eyes is a screen reader that enables people who are blind, visually impaired, or print disabled to have full access to Windows PCs and makes the computer accessible via speech and/or Braille. To better deliver Window-Eyes to the people who need it most, GW Micro and Microsoft have collaborated on this global initiative, available in over 15 languages, to enable anyone using Microsoft Office 2010 or later to also use Window-Eyes for free. Access to technology is critical to people who are blind or visually impaired in order to have the same opportunity to compete in the workplace. As such, this initiative between GW Micro and Microsoft has the potential to reduce barriers for millions of people who are blind or visually impaired around the world. As the population ages, technologies like Window-Eyes will become more and more important as the number of people with age-related macular degeneration and other retinal degenerative diseases increases. " This significant change in the way we are doing business reflects the changing perception of accessibility and also technology in general. Rather than wait for the world to change, Microsoft and GW Micro are leading the way ," said Dan Weirich, Vice President of Sales and Marketing for GW Micro. Weirich believes this technology can help millions of people gain access to their PC, and that providing it free of charge will open a whole new world of assistive technology to many people. In light of the rapidly changing face of technology and specifically, the changing face of assistive technology, the combined efforts of GW Micro and Microsoft have the goal of providing accessibility to people who are blind and visually impaired for the long term. Microsoft continues to take accessibility seriously. “By partnering with GW Micro in this endeavor we are demonstrating Microsoft’s ongoing commitment to provide all of our customers with the technology and tools to help each person be productive in both their work and personal lives.” said Rob Sinclair, Chief Accessibility Officer for Microsoft. Eligible customers, using Microsoft Office 2010 or higher, will be able to download a full version of Window-Eyes starting today at www.WindowEyesForOffice.com . The website provides download instructions as well as additional details about this offer. GW Micro, Inc. (www.gwmicro.com) has been a trusted pioneer in the adaptive technology industry since 1990, and continues to lead with innovative, customer driven solutions. Contact: Dan Weirich, VP of Sales and Marketing d...@gwmicro.com (260) 489-3671 ### -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://gro
Re: Looks like Windows is also heading toward full screen reader built in
question? granted I am not now nor have I ever been a windows user. still if I follow this, you can use windoweyes, for one piece of software? just what happens if after you download the single ticket for office, and try to use the program for something else? Allowing it to work with only one piece of software in no way to my mind translates into built in speech. That means one thing, you turn on an item and find if you require it, speech across the board. Either that or you turn on the program as an extra and find speech across the board. No less at least to me. Kare On Tue, 14 Jan 2014, erik burggraaf wrote: Wow, Well, this is officially O/T I guess, but I couldn't help laughing at this. I had been a loyal window-eyes user on the windows side, but have switched to NVDA full time now because of better UIA support, better access to flash and other dynamic content, better braille support, and touch screen support which window-eyes has not at all. There hasn't been a revolutionary development in the window-eyes world in 5 years or more since they introduced open scripting in version 7. Leading the way is pure propaganda at this point, but I guess doug and Dan have well stocked RRSP's at this point and don't really have to giddyup these days. Best, Erik Burggraaf Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194 or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com On 2014-01-14, at 2:21 PM, Bill Holton wrote: Jan-14-2014 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Fort Wayne, Indiana (January 14, 2014) - GW Micro, Inc. (www.gwmicro.com) is proud to make a revolutionary announcement. GW Micro and Microsoft Corp. have partnered to make Window-Eyes available to users of Microsoft Office at no cost. Window-Eyes is a screen reader that enables people who are blind, visually impaired, or print disabled to have full access to Windows PCs and makes the computer accessible via speech and/or Braille. To better deliver Window-Eyes to the people who need it most, GW Micro and Microsoft have collaborated on this global initiative, available in over 15 languages, to enable anyone using Microsoft Office 2010 or later to also use Window-Eyes for free. Access to technology is critical to people who are blind or visually impaired in order to have the same opportunity to compete in the workplace. As such, this initiative between GW Micro and Microsoft has the potential to reduce barriers for millions of people who are blind or visually impaired around the world. As the population ages, technologies like Window-Eyes will become more and more important as the number of people with age-related macular degeneration and other retinal degenerative diseases increases. " This significant change in the way we are doing business reflects the changing perception of accessibility and also technology in general. Rather than wait for the world to change, Microsoft and GW Micro are leading the way ," said Dan Weirich, Vice President of Sales and Marketing for GW Micro. Weirich believes this technology can help millions of people gain access to their PC, and that providing it free of charge will open a whole new world of assistive technology to many people. In light of the rapidly changing face of technology and specifically, the changing face of assistive technology, the combined efforts of GW Micro and Microsoft have the goal of providing accessibility to people who are blind and visually impaired for the long term. Microsoft continues to take accessibility seriously. “By partnering with GW Micro in this endeavor we are demonstrating Microsoft’s ongoing commitment to provide all of our customers with the technology and tools to help each person be productive in both their work and personal lives.” said Rob Sinclair, Chief Accessibility Officer for Microsoft. Eligible customers, using Microsoft Office 2010 or higher, will be able to download a full version of Window-Eyes starting today at www.WindowEyesForOffice.com . The website provides download instructions as well as additional details about this offer. GW Micro, Inc. (www.gwmicro.com) has been a trusted pioneer in the adaptive technology industry since 1990, and continues to lead with innovative, customer driven solutions. Contact: Dan Weirich, VP of Sales and Marketing d...@gwmicro.com (260) 489-3671 ### -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To p
Re: Looks like Windows is also heading toward full screen reader built in
I'm not sure they'll integrate it completely. If they do, they may just integrate it into narrator, which would be interesting. However, I don't think they should, as the microsoft speech platform is so slow. Sent from my braille plus 18 Donna Goodin wrote: >Actually, I was surprised that Microsoft didn't try to pair with NVDA. That >would've seemed to be more beneficial economically for both Microsoft and NVDA. > >Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 14, 2014, at 2:00 PM, Caitlyn and Maggie >> wrote: >> >> I agree. >> My sma for WE ran out at version 8 and it’s not worth upgrading anymore. >> NVDA is a much better choice if you have to use windows. >> Cait >> >>> On Jan 14, 2014, at 2:44 PM, erik burggraaf wrote: >>> >>> Wow, Well, this is officially O/T I guess, but I couldn't help laughing at >>> this. I had been a loyal window-eyes user on the windows side, but have >>> switched to NVDA full time now because of better UIA support, better access >>> to flash and other dynamic content, better braille support, and touch >>> screen support which window-eyes has not at all. There hasn't been a >>> revolutionary development in the window-eyes world in 5 years or more since >>> they introduced open scripting in version 7. >>> >>> Leading the way is pure propaganda at this point, but I guess doug and Dan >>> have well stocked RRSP's at this point and don't really have to giddyup >>> these days. >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Erik Burggraaf >>> Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194 >>> or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com >>> On 2014-01-14, at 2:21 PM, Bill Holton wrote: Jan-14-2014 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Fort Wayne, Indiana (January 14, 2014) - GW Micro, Inc. (www.gwmicro.com) is proud to make a revolutionary announcement. GW Micro and Microsoft Corp. have partnered to make Window-Eyes available to users of Microsoft Office at no cost. Window-Eyes is a screen reader that enables people who are blind, visually impaired, or print disabled to have full access to Windows PCs and makes the computer accessible via speech and/or Braille. To better deliver Window-Eyes to the people who need it most, GW Micro and Microsoft have collaborated on this global initiative, available in over 15 languages, to enable anyone using Microsoft Office 2010 or later to also use Window-Eyes for free. Access to technology is critical to people who are blind or visually impaired in order to have the same opportunity to compete in the workplace. As such, this initiative between GW Micro and Microsoft has the potential to reduce barriers for millions of people who are blind or visually impaired around the world. As the population ages, technologies like Window-Eyes will become more and more important as the number of people with age-related macular degeneration and other retinal degenerative diseases increases. " This significant change in the way we are doing business reflects the changing perception of accessibility and also technology in general. Rather than wait for the world to change, Microsoft and GW Micro are leading the way ," said Dan Weirich, Vice President of Sales and Marketing for GW Micro. Weirich believes this technology can help millions of people gain access to their PC, and that providing it free of charge will open a whole new world of assistive technology to many people. In light of the rapidly changing face of technology and specifically, the changing face of assistive technology, the combined efforts of GW Micro and Microsoft have the goal of providing accessibility to people who are blind and visually impaired for the long term. Microsoft continues to take accessibility seriously. “By partnering with GW Micro in this endeavor we are demonstrating Microsoft’s ongoing commitment to provide all of our customers with the technology and tools to help each person be productive in both their work and personal lives.” said Rob Sinclair, Chief Accessibility Officer for Microsoft. Eligible customers, using Microsoft Office 2010 or higher, will be able to download a full version of Window-Eyes starting today at www.WindowEyesForOffice.com . The website provides download instructions as well as additional details about this offer. GW Micro, Inc. (www.gwmicro.com) has been a trusted pioneer in the adaptive technology industry since 1990, and continues to lead with innovative, customer driven solutions. Contact: Dan Weirich, VP of Sales and Marketing d...@gwmicro.com (260) 489-3671 ### -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries"
Re: Looks like Windows is also heading toward full screen reader built in
Actually, I was surprised that Microsoft didn't try to pair with NVDA. That would've seemed to be more beneficial economically for both Microsoft and NVDA. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 14, 2014, at 2:00 PM, Caitlyn and Maggie > wrote: > > I agree. > My sma for WE ran out at version 8 and it’s not worth upgrading anymore. > NVDA is a much better choice if you have to use windows. > Cait > >> On Jan 14, 2014, at 2:44 PM, erik burggraaf wrote: >> >> Wow, Well, this is officially O/T I guess, but I couldn't help laughing at >> this. I had been a loyal window-eyes user on the windows side, but have >> switched to NVDA full time now because of better UIA support, better access >> to flash and other dynamic content, better braille support, and touch screen >> support which window-eyes has not at all. There hasn't been a revolutionary >> development in the window-eyes world in 5 years or more since they >> introduced open scripting in version 7. >> >> Leading the way is pure propaganda at this point, but I guess doug and Dan >> have well stocked RRSP's at this point and don't really have to giddyup >> these days. >> >> Best, >> >> Erik Burggraaf >> Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194 >> or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com >> >>> On 2014-01-14, at 2:21 PM, Bill Holton wrote: >>> >>> Jan-14-2014 >>> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE >>> Fort Wayne, Indiana (January 14, 2014) - GW Micro, Inc. (www.gwmicro.com) >>> is proud >>> to make a revolutionary announcement. GW Micro and Microsoft Corp. have >>> partnered >>> to make Window-Eyes available to users of Microsoft Office at no cost. >>> Window-Eyes >>> is a screen reader that enables people who are blind, visually impaired, or >>> print >>> disabled to have full access to Windows PCs and makes the computer >>> accessible via >>> speech and/or Braille. >>> To better deliver Window-Eyes to the people who need it most, GW Micro and >>> Microsoft >>> have collaborated on this global initiative, available in over 15 >>> languages, to enable >>> anyone using Microsoft Office 2010 or later to also use Window-Eyes for >>> free. >>> Access to technology is critical to people who are blind or visually >>> impaired in >>> order to have the same opportunity to compete in the workplace. As such, >>> this initiative >>> between GW Micro and Microsoft has the potential to reduce barriers for >>> millions >>> of people who are blind or visually impaired around the world. >>> As the population ages, technologies like Window-Eyes will become more and >>> more important >>> as the number of people with age-related macular degeneration and other >>> retinal degenerative >>> diseases increases. " >>> This significant change in the way we are doing business reflects the >>> changing perception >>> of accessibility and also technology in general. >>> Rather than wait for the world to change, Microsoft and GW Micro are >>> leading the >>> way >>> ," said Dan Weirich, Vice President of Sales and Marketing for GW Micro. >>> Weirich believes this technology can help millions of people gain access to >>> their >>> PC, and that providing it free of charge will open a whole new world of >>> assistive >>> technology to many people. >>> In light of the rapidly changing face of technology and specifically, the >>> changing >>> face of assistive technology, the combined efforts of GW Micro and >>> Microsoft have >>> the goal of providing accessibility to people who are blind and visually >>> impaired >>> for the long term. >>> Microsoft continues to take accessibility seriously. >>> “By partnering with GW Micro in this endeavor we are demonstrating >>> Microsoft’s ongoing >>> commitment to provide all of our customers with the technology and tools to >>> help >>> each person be productive in both their work and personal lives.” >>> said Rob Sinclair, Chief Accessibility Officer for Microsoft. >>> Eligible customers, using Microsoft Office 2010 or higher, will be able to >>> download >>> a full version of Window-Eyes starting today at >>> www.WindowEyesForOffice.com >>> . >>> The website provides download instructions as well as additional details >>> about this >>> offer. >>> GW Micro, Inc. (www.gwmicro.com) has been a trusted pioneer in the adaptive >>> technology >>> industry since 1990, and continues to lead with innovative, customer driven >>> solutions. >>> Contact: >>> Dan Weirich, VP of Sales and Marketing >>> d...@gwmicro.com >>> (260) 489-3671 >>> ### >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> >> -- >
Re: Looks like Windows is also heading toward full screen reader built in
I agree. My sma for WE ran out at version 8 and it’s not worth upgrading anymore. NVDA is a much better choice if you have to use windows. Cait On Jan 14, 2014, at 2:44 PM, erik burggraaf wrote: > Wow, Well, this is officially O/T I guess, but I couldn't help laughing at > this. I had been a loyal window-eyes user on the windows side, but have > switched to NVDA full time now because of better UIA support, better access > to flash and other dynamic content, better braille support, and touch screen > support which window-eyes has not at all. There hasn't been a revolutionary > development in the window-eyes world in 5 years or more since they introduced > open scripting in version 7. > > Leading the way is pure propaganda at this point, but I guess doug and Dan > have well stocked RRSP's at this point and don't really have to giddyup these > days. > > Best, > > Erik Burggraaf > Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194 > or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com > > On 2014-01-14, at 2:21 PM, Bill Holton wrote: > >> Jan-14-2014 >> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE >> Fort Wayne, Indiana (January 14, 2014) - GW Micro, Inc. (www.gwmicro.com) is >> proud >> to make a revolutionary announcement. GW Micro and Microsoft Corp. have >> partnered >> to make Window-Eyes available to users of Microsoft Office at no cost. >> Window-Eyes >> is a screen reader that enables people who are blind, visually impaired, or >> print >> disabled to have full access to Windows PCs and makes the computer >> accessible via >> speech and/or Braille. >> To better deliver Window-Eyes to the people who need it most, GW Micro and >> Microsoft >> have collaborated on this global initiative, available in over 15 languages, >> to enable >> anyone using Microsoft Office 2010 or later to also use Window-Eyes for free. >> Access to technology is critical to people who are blind or visually >> impaired in >> order to have the same opportunity to compete in the workplace. As such, >> this initiative >> between GW Micro and Microsoft has the potential to reduce barriers for >> millions >> of people who are blind or visually impaired around the world. >> As the population ages, technologies like Window-Eyes will become more and >> more important >> as the number of people with age-related macular degeneration and other >> retinal degenerative >> diseases increases. " >> This significant change in the way we are doing business reflects the >> changing perception >> of accessibility and also technology in general. >> Rather than wait for the world to change, Microsoft and GW Micro are >> leading the >> way >> ," said Dan Weirich, Vice President of Sales and Marketing for GW Micro. >> Weirich believes this technology can help millions of people gain access to >> their >> PC, and that providing it free of charge will open a whole new world of >> assistive >> technology to many people. >> In light of the rapidly changing face of technology and specifically, the >> changing >> face of assistive technology, the combined efforts of GW Micro and Microsoft >> have >> the goal of providing accessibility to people who are blind and visually >> impaired >> for the long term. >> Microsoft continues to take accessibility seriously. >> “By partnering with GW Micro in this endeavor we are demonstrating >> Microsoft’s ongoing >> commitment to provide all of our customers with the technology and tools to >> help >> each person be productive in both their work and personal lives.” >> said Rob Sinclair, Chief Accessibility Officer for Microsoft. >> Eligible customers, using Microsoft Office 2010 or higher, will be able to >> download >> a full version of Window-Eyes starting today at >> www.WindowEyesForOffice.com >> . >> The website provides download instructions as well as additional details >> about this >> offer. >> GW Micro, Inc. (www.gwmicro.com) has been a trusted pioneer in the adaptive >> technology >> industry since 1990, and continues to lead with innovative, customer driven >> solutions. >> Contact: >> Dan Weirich, VP of Sales and Marketing >> d...@gwmicro.com >> (260) 489-3671 >> ### >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionar
Re: Looks like Windows is also heading toward full screen reader built in
It’s not quite built-in. Of course, someone has to buy Microsoft Office to be able to use window-eyes for free. And it’s still basically out-sourcing the screen-reader. It’s going to work out well for some folks. Teresa "Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read."--Groucho Marx On Jan 14, 2014, at 11:38 AM, Daniel Hawkins wrote: > Hmm interesting. Since I went blind last year, I started on the Mac first. > Two weeks I started to learn Windows 7 with NVDA. So, what does this mean? > Will others find Windows Eye better now since it is cheaper? Or will most > Windows users still use JAWS or NVDA? > Daniel Hawkins > - Posted from my Macbook Pro > > 2012 15in. Macbook Pro > 2.3 Quad-core i7 > 4GB DDR3 > 500GB HDD > > Dual Boot: > Windows 7 Ultimate Edition 64-bit > > On Jan 14, 2014, at 1:44 PM, erik burggraaf wrote: > >> Wow, Well, this is officially O/T I guess, but I couldn't help laughing at >> this. I had been a loyal window-eyes user on the windows side, but have >> switched to NVDA full time now because of better UIA support, better access >> to flash and other dynamic content, better braille support, and touch screen >> support which window-eyes has not at all. There hasn't been a revolutionary >> development in the window-eyes world in 5 years or more since they >> introduced open scripting in version 7. >> >> Leading the way is pure propaganda at this point, but I guess doug and Dan >> have well stocked RRSP's at this point and don't really have to giddyup >> these days. >> >> Best, >> >> Erik Burggraaf >> Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194 >> or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com >> >> On 2014-01-14, at 2:21 PM, Bill Holton wrote: >> >>> Jan-14-2014 >>> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE >>> Fort Wayne, Indiana (January 14, 2014) - GW Micro, Inc. (www.gwmicro.com) >>> is proud >>> to make a revolutionary announcement. GW Micro and Microsoft Corp. have >>> partnered >>> to make Window-Eyes available to users of Microsoft Office at no cost. >>> Window-Eyes >>> is a screen reader that enables people who are blind, visually impaired, or >>> print >>> disabled to have full access to Windows PCs and makes the computer >>> accessible via >>> speech and/or Braille. >>> To better deliver Window-Eyes to the people who need it most, GW Micro and >>> Microsoft >>> have collaborated on this global initiative, available in over 15 >>> languages, to enable >>> anyone using Microsoft Office 2010 or later to also use Window-Eyes for >>> free. >>> Access to technology is critical to people who are blind or visually >>> impaired in >>> order to have the same opportunity to compete in the workplace. As such, >>> this initiative >>> between GW Micro and Microsoft has the potential to reduce barriers for >>> millions >>> of people who are blind or visually impaired around the world. >>> As the population ages, technologies like Window-Eyes will become more and >>> more important >>> as the number of people with age-related macular degeneration and other >>> retinal degenerative >>> diseases increases. " >>> This significant change in the way we are doing business reflects the >>> changing perception >>> of accessibility and also technology in general. >>> Rather than wait for the world to change, Microsoft and GW Micro are >>> leading the >>> way >>> ," said Dan Weirich, Vice President of Sales and Marketing for GW Micro. >>> Weirich believes this technology can help millions of people gain access to >>> their >>> PC, and that providing it free of charge will open a whole new world of >>> assistive >>> technology to many people. >>> In light of the rapidly changing face of technology and specifically, the >>> changing >>> face of assistive technology, the combined efforts of GW Micro and >>> Microsoft have >>> the goal of providing accessibility to people who are blind and visually >>> impaired >>> for the long term. >>> Microsoft continues to take accessibility seriously. >>> “By partnering with GW Micro in this endeavor we are demonstrating >>> Microsoft’s ongoing >>> commitment to provide all of our customers with the technology and tools to >>> help >>> each person be productive in both their work and personal lives.” >>> said Rob Sinclair, Chief Accessibility Officer for Microsoft. >>> Eligible customers, using Microsoft Office 2010 or higher, will be able to >>> download >>> a full version of Window-Eyes starting today at >>> www.WindowEyesForOffice.com >>> . >>> The website provides download instructions as well as additional details >>> about this >>> offer. >>> GW Micro, Inc. (www.gwmicro.com) has been a trusted pioneer in the adaptive >>> technology >>> industry since 1990, and continues to lead with innovative, customer driven >>> solutions. >>> Contact: >>> Dan Weirich, VP of Sales and Marketing >>> d...@gwmicro.com >>> (260) 489-3671 >>> ### >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are
Re: Looks like Windows is also heading toward full screen reader built in
Hmm interesting. Since I went blind last year, I started on the Mac first. Two weeks I started to learn Windows 7 with NVDA. So, what does this mean? Will others find Windows Eye better now since it is cheaper? Or will most Windows users still use JAWS or NVDA? Daniel Hawkins - Posted from my Macbook Pro 2012 15in. Macbook Pro 2.3 Quad-core i7 4GB DDR3 500GB HDD Dual Boot: Windows 7 Ultimate Edition 64-bit On Jan 14, 2014, at 1:44 PM, erik burggraaf wrote: > Wow, Well, this is officially O/T I guess, but I couldn't help laughing at > this. I had been a loyal window-eyes user on the windows side, but have > switched to NVDA full time now because of better UIA support, better access > to flash and other dynamic content, better braille support, and touch screen > support which window-eyes has not at all. There hasn't been a revolutionary > development in the window-eyes world in 5 years or more since they introduced > open scripting in version 7. > > Leading the way is pure propaganda at this point, but I guess doug and Dan > have well stocked RRSP's at this point and don't really have to giddyup these > days. > > Best, > > Erik Burggraaf > Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194 > or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com > > On 2014-01-14, at 2:21 PM, Bill Holton wrote: > >> Jan-14-2014 >> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE >> Fort Wayne, Indiana (January 14, 2014) - GW Micro, Inc. (www.gwmicro.com) is >> proud >> to make a revolutionary announcement. GW Micro and Microsoft Corp. have >> partnered >> to make Window-Eyes available to users of Microsoft Office at no cost. >> Window-Eyes >> is a screen reader that enables people who are blind, visually impaired, or >> print >> disabled to have full access to Windows PCs and makes the computer >> accessible via >> speech and/or Braille. >> To better deliver Window-Eyes to the people who need it most, GW Micro and >> Microsoft >> have collaborated on this global initiative, available in over 15 languages, >> to enable >> anyone using Microsoft Office 2010 or later to also use Window-Eyes for free. >> Access to technology is critical to people who are blind or visually >> impaired in >> order to have the same opportunity to compete in the workplace. As such, >> this initiative >> between GW Micro and Microsoft has the potential to reduce barriers for >> millions >> of people who are blind or visually impaired around the world. >> As the population ages, technologies like Window-Eyes will become more and >> more important >> as the number of people with age-related macular degeneration and other >> retinal degenerative >> diseases increases. " >> This significant change in the way we are doing business reflects the >> changing perception >> of accessibility and also technology in general. >> Rather than wait for the world to change, Microsoft and GW Micro are >> leading the >> way >> ," said Dan Weirich, Vice President of Sales and Marketing for GW Micro. >> Weirich believes this technology can help millions of people gain access to >> their >> PC, and that providing it free of charge will open a whole new world of >> assistive >> technology to many people. >> In light of the rapidly changing face of technology and specifically, the >> changing >> face of assistive technology, the combined efforts of GW Micro and Microsoft >> have >> the goal of providing accessibility to people who are blind and visually >> impaired >> for the long term. >> Microsoft continues to take accessibility seriously. >> “By partnering with GW Micro in this endeavor we are demonstrating >> Microsoft’s ongoing >> commitment to provide all of our customers with the technology and tools to >> help >> each person be productive in both their work and personal lives.” >> said Rob Sinclair, Chief Accessibility Officer for Microsoft. >> Eligible customers, using Microsoft Office 2010 or higher, will be able to >> download >> a full version of Window-Eyes starting today at >> www.WindowEyesForOffice.com >> . >> The website provides download instructions as well as additional details >> about this >> offer. >> GW Micro, Inc. (www.gwmicro.com) has been a trusted pioneer in the adaptive >> technology >> industry since 1990, and continues to lead with innovative, customer driven >> solutions. >> Contact: >> Dan Weirich, VP of Sales and Marketing >> d...@gwmicro.com >> (260) 489-3671 >> ### >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group
Re: Looks like Windows is also heading toward full screen reader built in
Wow, Well, this is officially O/T I guess, but I couldn't help laughing at this. I had been a loyal window-eyes user on the windows side, but have switched to NVDA full time now because of better UIA support, better access to flash and other dynamic content, better braille support, and touch screen support which window-eyes has not at all. There hasn't been a revolutionary development in the window-eyes world in 5 years or more since they introduced open scripting in version 7. Leading the way is pure propaganda at this point, but I guess doug and Dan have well stocked RRSP's at this point and don't really have to giddyup these days. Best, Erik Burggraaf Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194 or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com On 2014-01-14, at 2:21 PM, Bill Holton wrote: > Jan-14-2014 > FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > Fort Wayne, Indiana (January 14, 2014) - GW Micro, Inc. (www.gwmicro.com) is > proud > to make a revolutionary announcement. GW Micro and Microsoft Corp. have > partnered > to make Window-Eyes available to users of Microsoft Office at no cost. > Window-Eyes > is a screen reader that enables people who are blind, visually impaired, or > print > disabled to have full access to Windows PCs and makes the computer accessible > via > speech and/or Braille. > To better deliver Window-Eyes to the people who need it most, GW Micro and > Microsoft > have collaborated on this global initiative, available in over 15 languages, > to enable > anyone using Microsoft Office 2010 or later to also use Window-Eyes for free. > Access to technology is critical to people who are blind or visually impaired > in > order to have the same opportunity to compete in the workplace. As such, this > initiative > between GW Micro and Microsoft has the potential to reduce barriers for > millions > of people who are blind or visually impaired around the world. > As the population ages, technologies like Window-Eyes will become more and > more important > as the number of people with age-related macular degeneration and other > retinal degenerative > diseases increases. " > This significant change in the way we are doing business reflects the > changing perception > of accessibility and also technology in general. > Rather than wait for the world to change, Microsoft and GW Micro are > leading the > way > ," said Dan Weirich, Vice President of Sales and Marketing for GW Micro. > Weirich believes this technology can help millions of people gain access to > their > PC, and that providing it free of charge will open a whole new world of > assistive > technology to many people. > In light of the rapidly changing face of technology and specifically, the > changing > face of assistive technology, the combined efforts of GW Micro and Microsoft > have > the goal of providing accessibility to people who are blind and visually > impaired > for the long term. > Microsoft continues to take accessibility seriously. > “By partnering with GW Micro in this endeavor we are demonstrating > Microsoft’s ongoing > commitment to provide all of our customers with the technology and tools to > help > each person be productive in both their work and personal lives.” > said Rob Sinclair, Chief Accessibility Officer for Microsoft. > Eligible customers, using Microsoft Office 2010 or higher, will be able to > download > a full version of Window-Eyes starting today at > www.WindowEyesForOffice.com > . > The website provides download instructions as well as additional details > about this > offer. > GW Micro, Inc. (www.gwmicro.com) has been a trusted pioneer in the adaptive > technology > industry since 1990, and continues to lead with innovative, customer driven > solutions. > Contact: > Dan Weirich, VP of Sales and Marketing > d...@gwmicro.com > (260) 489-3671 > ### > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
