Re: What shall I get? Any recommendations?

[Scott Granados]

I’d prefer to say it was the drugs that preserved him in his present state.;)

> On May 21, 2016, at 4:37 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> He sounds like a good guy, it was just the drugs that put him in his current 
> state.
> 
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Saturday, 21 May 2016 1:22 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: What shall I get? Any recommendations?
> 
> Keith Richards? :(  I hope that isn't the extent of humanity's future. :)
> Cheers,
> Donna
> On May 20, 2016, at 5:25 PM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com 
> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
> 
> At least there will be music because the rolling stones will still be around 
> or at least Keith Richards,
> 
> 
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Saturday, 21 May 2016 2:50 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: What shall I get? Any recommendations?
> 
> Whoa boy, I think you’re both on to something.  I think the best game plan is 
> for me to campaign for Trump, get him elected and then the next day move to 
> New Zealand and hang out with Simon.  That’s the farthest place from here 
> that I can think of that speaks English other than the Ant Arctic science 
> stations.  That should solve the short term nuclear fall out problem, of 
> course I’ve seen the Beach and remember how that ended up.  Eventually it 
> makes it to the southern hemisphere but hey at least act that point there’s 
> no more Hillary or Trump to deal with.
> 
> Ah well, here’s hoping the bees do better than we did.  Or the Scorpions, 
> they seem to live through everything including ground 0 nuclear detonations.  
> Roaches then?
> 
> 
> On May 20, 2016, at 9:28 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com 
> <mailto:doniado...@me.com>> wrote:
> 
> lol.  Sorry, Simon, I think many of us over here are having the same dream.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> On May 20, 2016, at 5:02 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com 
> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna,
> 
> Yeah I’ve got a habit of doing that.
> 
> I keep dreaming where the world is destroyed by the next US Pres, surely 
> though it’s only a dream?
> 
> 
> 
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Friday, 20 May 2016 12:26 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: What shall I get? Any recommendations?
> 
> I'd love that too, Simon.  But yeah, my guess is you're dreaming. :)
> Cheers,
> Donna
> On May 19, 2016, at 4:16 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com 
> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna & Scott,
> 
> Donna I have the same air as you have and yes portability was one of the 
> leading factors but power was the next hence the reason to upgrade to top 
> specs for 11 inch air.
> 
> However if they start this year producing air devices with the mobile 
> processors then I will be looking at the pros first.
> 
> I’d love to think though that they will go with the air being able to run 16 
> Gig ram, 1TB SSD and a full I7 processor, ut guessing I’m dreaming that one.
> 
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Thursday, 19 May 2016 1:05 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: What shall I get? Any recommendations?
> 
> Hey Scott,
> 
> One caveat I would add here is that it depends on how important portability 
> is.  the Air is much nicer to carry around, especially if you're also hauling 
> a braille display.  Just something to consider.  I chose the Air over the Pro 
> for its portability, not due to cost.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> On May 18, 2016, at 8:01 AM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net 
> <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:
> 
> So I’m not sure what country you’re in or store options you have, Best Buy in 
> the US i

Re: What shall I get? Any recommendations?

[Scott Granados]

I’ve often said it would have been interesting to have a front row seat for the 
fall of the Roman empire.  At least I’ll be around for the fall of the west.  
That should be equally um interesting.


> On May 20, 2016, at 6:18 PM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> Ok, off topic joke,
> 
> Donald trump and Hillary Clinton are stranded at sea on a sinking ship.
> 
> Question is, Who Survives?
> 
> 
> Answer:
> 
> The United States Of America.
> 
> 
> 
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Saturday, 21 May 2016 1:28 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: What shall I get? Any recommendations?
> 
> lol.  Sorry, Simon, I think many of us over here are having the same dream.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> On May 20, 2016, at 5:02 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com 
> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna,
> 
> Yeah I’ve got a habit of doing that.
> 
> I keep dreaming where the world is destroyed by the next US Pres, surely 
> though it’s only a dream?
> 
> 
> 
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Friday, 20 May 2016 12:26 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: What shall I get? Any recommendations?
> 
> I'd love that too, Simon.  But yeah, my guess is you're dreaming. :)
> Cheers,
> Donna
> On May 19, 2016, at 4:16 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com 
> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna & Scott,
> 
> Donna I have the same air as you have and yes portability was one of the 
> leading factors but power was the next hence the reason to upgrade to top 
> specs for 11 inch air.
> 
> However if they start this year producing air devices with the mobile 
> processors then I will be looking at the pros first.
> 
> I’d love to think though that they will go with the air being able to run 16 
> Gig ram, 1TB SSD and a full I7 processor, ut guessing I’m dreaming that one.
> 
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Thursday, 19 May 2016 1:05 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: What shall I get? Any recommendations?
> 
> Hey Scott,
> 
> One caveat I would add here is that it depends on how important portability 
> is.  the Air is much nicer to carry around, especially if you're also hauling 
> a braille display.  Just something to consider.  I chose the Air over the Pro 
> for its portability, not due to cost.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> On May 18, 2016, at 8:01 AM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net 
> <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:
> 
> So I’m not sure what country you’re in or store options you have, Best Buy in 
> the US is running laptop deals right now and I think it’s $100 or more off 
> Apple Laptops.
> 
> That aside, with your requirement I’d probably go with an Apple Macbook pro 
> and you could go with a 13 inch model to save on the cost if you wanted.  
> There are both i5 and i7 options for processors so you could spend as much as 
> you wanted there, memory options and all SSD.  The air is a bit less 
> expensive but when in best buy the other day they had an air and a pro at the 
> exact same price so with all things equal I’d go with a pro model.
> I would also budget $100 or so for VMWare fusion for running that 
> windows instance on top of OS X.  It’s in my mind preferable to boot camp 
> since you have both options at the same time, others may disagree.
> 
> That’s my suggestion.
> 
> Good luck and let us know what you decide.
> 
> On May 18, 2016, at 7:33 AM, Cris Ali <filasti...@hotmail.com 
> <mailto:filasti...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> Hello Folks,
> I have never used the OSX system before.  I have always been a windows user. 
> However, now is the time for me to buy a new laptop. I decided to give the 
> apple mac a try.
> I do not know what apple laptop to buy. I am looking for a machine powerful 
> enough to keep for a number of years without getting obsolete so fast.  But 
> Ido not want it to be outrageously expensive either.  I al

RE: What shall I get? Any recommendations?

[Simon Fogarty]

He sounds like a good guy, it was just the drugs that put him in his current 
state.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: Saturday, 21 May 2016 1:22 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: What shall I get? Any recommendations?

Keith Richards? :(  I hope that isn't the extent of humanity's future. :)
Cheers,
Donna
On May 20, 2016, at 5:25 PM, Simon Fogarty 
<si...@blinky-net.com<mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

At least there will be music because the rolling stones will still be around or 
at least Keith Richards,


From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Saturday, 21 May 2016 2:50 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: What shall I get? Any recommendations?

Whoa boy, I think you’re both on to something.  I think the best game plan is 
for me to campaign for Trump, get him elected and then the next day move to New 
Zealand and hang out with Simon.  That’s the farthest place from here that I 
can think of that speaks English other than the Ant Arctic science stations.  
That should solve the short term nuclear fall out problem, of course I’ve seen 
the Beach and remember how that ended up.  Eventually it makes it to the 
southern hemisphere but hey at least act that point there’s no more Hillary or 
Trump to deal with.

Ah well, here’s hoping the bees do better than we did.  Or the Scorpions, they 
seem to live through everything including ground 0 nuclear detonations.  
Roaches then?


On May 20, 2016, at 9:28 AM, Donna Goodin 
<doniado...@me.com<mailto:doniado...@me.com>> wrote:

lol.  Sorry, Simon, I think many of us over here are having the same dream.
Cheers,
Donna
On May 20, 2016, at 5:02 AM, Simon Fogarty 
<si...@blinky-net.com<mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Hi Donna,

Yeah I’ve got a habit of doing that.

I keep dreaming where the world is destroyed by the next US Pres, surely though 
it’s only a dream?



From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: Friday, 20 May 2016 12:26 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: What shall I get? Any recommendations?

I'd love that too, Simon.  But yeah, my guess is you're dreaming. :)
Cheers,
Donna
On May 19, 2016, at 4:16 AM, Simon Fogarty 
<si...@blinky-net.com<mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Hi Donna & Scott,

Donna I have the same air as you have and yes portability was one of the 
leading factors but power was the next hence the reason to upgrade to top specs 
for 11 inch air.

However if they start this year producing air devices with the mobile 
processors then I will be looking at the pros first.

I’d love to think though that they will go with the air being able to run 16 
Gig ram, 1TB SSD and a full I7 processor, ut guessing I’m dreaming that one.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: Thursday, 19 May 2016 1:05 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: What shall I get? Any recommendations?

Hey Scott,

One caveat I would add here is that it depends on how important portability is. 
 the Air is much nicer to carry around, especially if you're also hauling a 
braille display.  Just something to consider.  I chose the Air over the Pro for 
its portability, not due to cost.
Cheers,
Donna
On May 18, 2016, at 8:01 AM, Scott Granados 
<sc...@qualityip.net<mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:

So I’m not sure what country you’re in or store options you have, Best Buy in 
the US is running laptop deals right now and I think it’s $100 or more off 
Apple Laptops.

That aside, with your requirement I’d probably go with an Apple Macbook pro and 
you could go with a 13 inch model to save on the cost if you wanted.  There are 
both i5 and i7 options for processors so you could spend as much as you wanted 
there, memory options and all SSD.  The air is a bit less expensive but when in 
best buy the other day they had an air and a pro at the exact same price so 
with all things equal I’d go with a pro model.
I would also budget $100 or so for VMWare fusion for running that 
windows instance on top of OS X.  It’s in my mind preferable to boot camp since 
you have both options at the same time, others may disagree.

That’s my suggestion.

Good luck and let us know what you decide.

On May 18, 2016, at 7:33 AM, Cris Ali 
<filasti...@hotmail.com<mailto:filasti...@hotmail.com>> wrote:

Hello Folks,
I have never used the OSX system before.  I have always been a 

Re: What shall I get? Any recommendations?

[Donna Goodin]

Keith Richards? :(  I hope that isn't the extent of humanity's future. :)
Cheers,
Donna
> On May 20, 2016, at 5:25 PM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> At least there will be music because the rolling stones will still be around 
> or at least Keith Richards,
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Saturday, 21 May 2016 2:50 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: What shall I get? Any recommendations?
>  
> Whoa boy, I think you’re both on to something.  I think the best game plan is 
> for me to campaign for Trump, get him elected and then the next day move to 
> New Zealand and hang out with Simon.  That’s the farthest place from here 
> that I can think of that speaks English other than the Ant Arctic science 
> stations.  That should solve the short term nuclear fall out problem, of 
> course I’ve seen the Beach and remember how that ended up.  Eventually it 
> makes it to the southern hemisphere but hey at least act that point there’s 
> no more Hillary or Trump to deal with.
>  
> Ah well, here’s hoping the bees do better than we did.  Or the Scorpions, 
> they seem to live through everything including ground 0 nuclear detonations.  
> Roaches then?
>  
>  
> On May 20, 2016, at 9:28 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com 
> <mailto:doniado...@me.com>> wrote:
>  
> lol.  Sorry, Simon, I think many of us over here are having the same dream.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> On May 20, 2016, at 5:02 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com 
> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>  
> Hi Donna,
>  
> Yeah I’ve got a habit of doing that.
>  
> I keep dreaming where the world is destroyed by the next US Pres, surely 
> though it’s only a dream?
>  
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Friday, 20 May 2016 12:26 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: What shall I get? Any recommendations?
>  
> I'd love that too, Simon.  But yeah, my guess is you're dreaming. :)
> Cheers,
> Donna
> On May 19, 2016, at 4:16 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com 
> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>  
> Hi Donna & Scott,
>  
> Donna I have the same air as you have and yes portability was one of the 
> leading factors but power was the next hence the reason to upgrade to top 
> specs for 11 inch air.
>  
> However if they start this year producing air devices with the mobile 
> processors then I will be looking at the pros first.
>  
> I’d love to think though that they will go with the air being able to run 16 
> Gig ram, 1TB SSD and a full I7 processor, ut guessing I’m dreaming that one.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Thursday, 19 May 2016 1:05 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: What shall I get? Any recommendations?
>  
> Hey Scott,
>  
> One caveat I would add here is that it depends on how important portability 
> is.  the Air is much nicer to carry around, especially if you're also hauling 
> a braille display.  Just something to consider.  I chose the Air over the Pro 
> for its portability, not due to cost.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> On May 18, 2016, at 8:01 AM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net 
> <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:
>  
> So I’m not sure what country you’re in or store options you have, Best Buy in 
> the US is running laptop deals right now and I think it’s $100 or more off 
> Apple Laptops.
>  
> That aside, with your requirement I’d probably go with an Apple Macbook pro 
> and you could go with a 13 inch model to save on the cost if you wanted.  
> There are both i5 and i7 options for processors so you could spend as much as 
> you wanted there, memory options and all SSD.  The air is a bit less 
> expensive but when in best buy the other day they had an air and a pro at the 
> exact same price so with all things equal I’d go with a pro model.
> I would also budget $100 or so for VMWare fusion for running that 
> windows instance on top of OS X.  It’s in my mind prefer

Re: What shall I get? Any recommendations?

[Donna Goodin]

I like it :)
Donna
> On May 20, 2016, at 5:18 PM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> Ok, off topic joke,
>  
> Donald trump and Hillary Clinton are stranded at sea on a sinking ship.
>  
> Question is, Who Survives?
>  
>  
> Answer:
>  
> The United States Of America.
>  
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Saturday, 21 May 2016 1:28 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: What shall I get? Any recommendations?
>  
> lol.  Sorry, Simon, I think many of us over here are having the same dream.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> On May 20, 2016, at 5:02 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com 
> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>  
> Hi Donna,
>  
> Yeah I’ve got a habit of doing that.
>  
> I keep dreaming where the world is destroyed by the next US Pres, surely 
> though it’s only a dream?
>  
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Friday, 20 May 2016 12:26 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: What shall I get? Any recommendations?
>  
> I'd love that too, Simon.  But yeah, my guess is you're dreaming. :)
> Cheers,
> Donna
> On May 19, 2016, at 4:16 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com 
> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>  
> Hi Donna & Scott,
>  
> Donna I have the same air as you have and yes portability was one of the 
> leading factors but power was the next hence the reason to upgrade to top 
> specs for 11 inch air.
>  
> However if they start this year producing air devices with the mobile 
> processors then I will be looking at the pros first.
>  
> I’d love to think though that they will go with the air being able to run 16 
> Gig ram, 1TB SSD and a full I7 processor, ut guessing I’m dreaming that one.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Thursday, 19 May 2016 1:05 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: What shall I get? Any recommendations?
>  
> Hey Scott,
>  
> One caveat I would add here is that it depends on how important portability 
> is.  the Air is much nicer to carry around, especially if you're also hauling 
> a braille display.  Just something to consider.  I chose the Air over the Pro 
> for its portability, not due to cost.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> On May 18, 2016, at 8:01 AM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net 
> <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:
>  
> So I’m not sure what country you’re in or store options you have, Best Buy in 
> the US is running laptop deals right now and I think it’s $100 or more off 
> Apple Laptops.
>  
> That aside, with your requirement I’d probably go with an Apple Macbook pro 
> and you could go with a 13 inch model to save on the cost if you wanted.  
> There are both i5 and i7 options for processors so you could spend as much as 
> you wanted there, memory options and all SSD.  The air is a bit less 
> expensive but when in best buy the other day they had an air and a pro at the 
> exact same price so with all things equal I’d go with a pro model.
> I would also budget $100 or so for VMWare fusion for running that 
> windows instance on top of OS X.  It’s in my mind preferable to boot camp 
> since you have both options at the same time, others may disagree.
>  
> That’s my suggestion.
>  
> Good luck and let us know what you decide.
>  
> On May 18, 2016, at 7:33 AM, Cris Ali <filasti...@hotmail.com 
> <mailto:filasti...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
>  
> Hello Folks,
> I have never used the OSX system before.  I have always been a windows user. 
> However, now is the time for me to buy a new laptop. I decided to give the 
> apple mac a try.
> I do not know what apple laptop to buy. I am looking for a machine powerful 
> enough to keep for a number of years without getting obsolete so fast.  But 
> Ido not want it to be outrageously expensive either.  I also want it to have 
> enough ram and storage to support the installation of windows to use during 
> the transition period. I also want it to b

RE: What shall I get? Any recommendations?

[Simon Fogarty]

At least there will be music because the rolling stones will still be around or 
at least Keith Richards,


From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Saturday, 21 May 2016 2:50 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: What shall I get? Any recommendations?

Whoa boy, I think you’re both on to something.  I think the best game plan is 
for me to campaign for Trump, get him elected and then the next day move to New 
Zealand and hang out with Simon.  That’s the farthest place from here that I 
can think of that speaks English other than the Ant Arctic science stations.  
That should solve the short term nuclear fall out problem, of course I’ve seen 
the Beach and remember how that ended up.  Eventually it makes it to the 
southern hemisphere but hey at least act that point there’s no more Hillary or 
Trump to deal with.

Ah well, here’s hoping the bees do better than we did.  Or the Scorpions, they 
seem to live through everything including ground 0 nuclear detonations.  
Roaches then?


On May 20, 2016, at 9:28 AM, Donna Goodin 
<doniado...@me.com<mailto:doniado...@me.com>> wrote:

lol.  Sorry, Simon, I think many of us over here are having the same dream.
Cheers,
Donna
On May 20, 2016, at 5:02 AM, Simon Fogarty 
<si...@blinky-net.com<mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Hi Donna,

Yeah I’ve got a habit of doing that.

I keep dreaming where the world is destroyed by the next US Pres, surely though 
it’s only a dream?



From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: Friday, 20 May 2016 12:26 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: What shall I get? Any recommendations?

I'd love that too, Simon.  But yeah, my guess is you're dreaming. :)
Cheers,
Donna
On May 19, 2016, at 4:16 AM, Simon Fogarty 
<si...@blinky-net.com<mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Hi Donna & Scott,

Donna I have the same air as you have and yes portability was one of the 
leading factors but power was the next hence the reason to upgrade to top specs 
for 11 inch air.

However if they start this year producing air devices with the mobile 
processors then I will be looking at the pros first.

I’d love to think though that they will go with the air being able to run 16 
Gig ram, 1TB SSD and a full I7 processor, ut guessing I’m dreaming that one.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: Thursday, 19 May 2016 1:05 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: What shall I get? Any recommendations?

Hey Scott,

One caveat I would add here is that it depends on how important portability is. 
 the Air is much nicer to carry around, especially if you're also hauling a 
braille display.  Just something to consider.  I chose the Air over the Pro for 
its portability, not due to cost.
Cheers,
Donna
On May 18, 2016, at 8:01 AM, Scott Granados 
<sc...@qualityip.net<mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:

So I’m not sure what country you’re in or store options you have, Best Buy in 
the US is running laptop deals right now and I think it’s $100 or more off 
Apple Laptops.

That aside, with your requirement I’d probably go with an Apple Macbook pro and 
you could go with a 13 inch model to save on the cost if you wanted.  There are 
both i5 and i7 options for processors so you could spend as much as you wanted 
there, memory options and all SSD.  The air is a bit less expensive but when in 
best buy the other day they had an air and a pro at the exact same price so 
with all things equal I’d go with a pro model.
I would also budget $100 or so for VMWare fusion for running that 
windows instance on top of OS X.  It’s in my mind preferable to boot camp since 
you have both options at the same time, others may disagree.

That’s my suggestion.

Good luck and let us know what you decide.

On May 18, 2016, at 7:33 AM, Cris Ali 
<filasti...@hotmail.com<mailto:filasti...@hotmail.com>> wrote:

Hello Folks,
I have never used the OSX system before.  I have always been a windows user. 
However, now is the time for me to buy a new laptop. I decided to give the 
apple mac a try.
I do not know what apple laptop to buy. I am looking for a machine powerful 
enough to keep for a number of years without getting obsolete so fast.  But Ido 
not want it to be outrageously expensive either.  I also want it to have enough 
ram and storage to support the installation of windows to use during the 
transition period. I also want it to be fast enough, not to drive me crazy each 
time I browse the web.
Any recommendations will be appreciated.
Regards,
Cris

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RE: What shall I get? Any recommendations?

[Simon Fogarty]

Ok, off topic joke,

Donald trump and Hillary Clinton are stranded at sea on a sinking ship.

Question is, Who Survives?


Answer:

The United States Of America.



From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: Saturday, 21 May 2016 1:28 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: What shall I get? Any recommendations?

lol.  Sorry, Simon, I think many of us over here are having the same dream.
Cheers,
Donna
On May 20, 2016, at 5:02 AM, Simon Fogarty 
<si...@blinky-net.com<mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Hi Donna,

Yeah I’ve got a habit of doing that.

I keep dreaming where the world is destroyed by the next US Pres, surely though 
it’s only a dream?



From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: Friday, 20 May 2016 12:26 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: What shall I get? Any recommendations?

I'd love that too, Simon.  But yeah, my guess is you're dreaming. :)
Cheers,
Donna
On May 19, 2016, at 4:16 AM, Simon Fogarty 
<si...@blinky-net.com<mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Hi Donna & Scott,

Donna I have the same air as you have and yes portability was one of the 
leading factors but power was the next hence the reason to upgrade to top specs 
for 11 inch air.

However if they start this year producing air devices with the mobile 
processors then I will be looking at the pros first.

I’d love to think though that they will go with the air being able to run 16 
Gig ram, 1TB SSD and a full I7 processor, ut guessing I’m dreaming that one.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: Thursday, 19 May 2016 1:05 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: What shall I get? Any recommendations?

Hey Scott,

One caveat I would add here is that it depends on how important portability is. 
 the Air is much nicer to carry around, especially if you're also hauling a 
braille display.  Just something to consider.  I chose the Air over the Pro for 
its portability, not due to cost.
Cheers,
Donna
On May 18, 2016, at 8:01 AM, Scott Granados 
<sc...@qualityip.net<mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:

So I’m not sure what country you’re in or store options you have, Best Buy in 
the US is running laptop deals right now and I think it’s $100 or more off 
Apple Laptops.

That aside, with your requirement I’d probably go with an Apple Macbook pro and 
you could go with a 13 inch model to save on the cost if you wanted.  There are 
both i5 and i7 options for processors so you could spend as much as you wanted 
there, memory options and all SSD.  The air is a bit less expensive but when in 
best buy the other day they had an air and a pro at the exact same price so 
with all things equal I’d go with a pro model.
I would also budget $100 or so for VMWare fusion for running that 
windows instance on top of OS X.  It’s in my mind preferable to boot camp since 
you have both options at the same time, others may disagree.

That’s my suggestion.

Good luck and let us know what you decide.

On May 18, 2016, at 7:33 AM, Cris Ali 
<filasti...@hotmail.com<mailto:filasti...@hotmail.com>> wrote:

Hello Folks,
I have never used the OSX system before.  I have always been a windows user. 
However, now is the time for me to buy a new laptop. I decided to give the 
apple mac a try.
I do not know what apple laptop to buy. I am looking for a machine powerful 
enough to keep for a number of years without getting obsolete so fast.  But Ido 
not want it to be outrageously expensive either.  I also want it to have enough 
ram and storage to support the installation of windows to use during the 
transition period. I also want it to be fast enough, not to drive me crazy each 
time I browse the web.
Any recommendations will be appreciated.
Regards,
Cris

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RE: What shall I get? Any recommendations?

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Tracey,

I fully agree about performance of the mac books, as for the mac minis
I’ve got a 2012 device but I’d have to be forced I think to get the new ones as 
they don’t have any way now of allowing us to update  or upgrade things such as 
ram or harddrives,

They’ve started making them like the other devices where it has to be built in 
house

But still a bloody good little device.
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Traci Duncan
Sent: Friday, 20 May 2016 7:52 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: What shall I get? Any recommendations?

I wanted to reiterate something here.  I’ve had my MBA since Summer 2011.  
Nearly 5 years and it’s performance feels no different from the day I started 
it up.  This continues to amaze me.  Four or five years into my Windows laptop, 
I was itching for a new one, because it just felt sluggish and out of date.

As another side note, the Mac Mini has been tempting me for years.  It grabs me 
more than buying an iMac.

Traci

On May 19, 2016, at 5:28 AM, Scott Granados 
<sc...@qualityip.net<mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:

Chris, with all this discussion I don’t want you to get the idea the macbook 
pro is a big boat anchor or anything.  The new 13 and 15 inch Macbook Pro 
retina laptops are very light for what you get.  It’s all SSD now so there’s no 
heavy hard drive and the battery is built in and light.  The air is just super 
thin and really stylish but both are great and very portable.


On May 19, 2016, at 8:13 AM, Cris Ali 
<filasti...@hotmail.com<mailto:filasti...@hotmail.com>> wrote:

Thanks Simon,
I am leaning to the 13 inch macbook pro.  I do not care much about weight, 
since I rarely carry my laptops around, probably two or three times a year at 
best.
Cheers,
Cris

From: 
macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]
 On Behalf Of Simon Fogarty
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 3:00 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: What shall I get? Any recommendations?

Hi Chris,

Welcome to the world of Mac and Apple.

Your first statement about wanting a machine that will last you years without 
becoming obsolete, well that’s any mac book you get really so long as you look 
after it!

I’m using a mid 2013 mac book air which I had custom built with 8 gig ram, and 
512 gb SSD, with I7 processor,
With an apple warrenty extended to 3 years It cost me new zealdn dollars 
2800.00.

And I run windows 10 on it via bootcamp
It’s just as fast as my mac mini server which is also custom built with highest 
specs available at the time it was purchased in 2014.

The mac book air is to me the best value for money as it gives you higher specs 
for processor ram and SSD drive than the 12inch mac book

But there is available I believe a 13inch mac book pro with optical drive 500GB 
drive and 4GB ram
This is the older style so thicker and heavier  but you can put up to 16 gb 
ram, and increase the harddrive size or make it ssd if you have the need to do 
so,
I did this myself to one at the start of last year and it’s going great and 
apart from weight it’s running quicker than my air with a 480gb ssd and 16gb 
ram and I5 processor.

Really it comes down to what you wish to spend and custom build is a great 
option because you can future proof to your best abilities out of factory, you 
can’t change anything once you have the machine in your hands unless it’s the 
13inch with Optical drive.

Good luck finding your new toy.


Simon F
From: 
macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]
 On Behalf Of Cris Ali
Sent: Wednesday, 18 May 2016 11:33 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: What shall I get? Any recommendations?

Hello Folks,
I have never used the OSX system before.  I have always been a windows user. 
However, now is the time for me to buy a new laptop. I decided to give the 
apple mac a try.
I do not know what apple laptop to buy. I am looking for a machine powerful 
enough to keep for a number of years without getting obsolete so fast.  But I 
do not want it to be outrageously expensive either.  I also want it to have 
enough ram and storage to support the installation of windows to use during the 
transition period. I also want it to be fast enough, not to drive me crazy each 
time I browse the web.
Any recommendations will be appreciated.
Regards,
Cris
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Re: What shall I get? Any recommendations?

[Scott Granados]

Whoa boy, I think you’re both on to something.  I think the best game plan is 
for me to campaign for Trump, get him elected and then the next day move to New 
Zealand and hang out with Simon.  That’s the farthest place from here that I 
can think of that speaks English other than the Ant Arctic science stations.  
That should solve the short term nuclear fall out problem, of course I’ve seen 
the Beach and remember how that ended up.  Eventually it makes it to the 
southern hemisphere but hey at least act that point there’s no more Hillary or 
Trump to deal with.

Ah well, here’s hoping the bees do better than we did.  Or the Scorpions, they 
seem to live through everything including ground 0 nuclear detonations.  
Roaches then?


> On May 20, 2016, at 9:28 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
> 
> lol.  Sorry, Simon, I think many of us over here are having the same dream.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On May 20, 2016, at 5:02 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com 
>> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Donna,
>> 
>> Yeah I’ve got a habit of doing that.
>> 
>> I keep dreaming where the world is destroyed by the next US Pres, surely 
>> though it’s only a dream?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>> Sent: Friday, 20 May 2016 12:26 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: Re: What shall I get? Any recommendations?
>> 
>> I'd love that too, Simon.  But yeah, my guess is you're dreaming. :)
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> On May 19, 2016, at 4:16 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com 
>> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Donna & Scott,
>> 
>> Donna I have the same air as you have and yes portability was one of the 
>> leading factors but power was the next hence the reason to upgrade to top 
>> specs for 11 inch air.
>> 
>> However if they start this year producing air devices with the mobile 
>> processors then I will be looking at the pros first.
>> 
>> I’d love to think though that they will go with the air being able to run 16 
>> Gig ram, 1TB SSD and a full I7 processor, ut guessing I’m dreaming that one.
>> 
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>> Sent: Thursday, 19 May 2016 1:05 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: Re: What shall I get? Any recommendations?
>> 
>> Hey Scott,
>> 
>> One caveat I would add here is that it depends on how important portability 
>> is.  the Air is much nicer to carry around, especially if you're also 
>> hauling a braille display.  Just something to consider.  I chose the Air 
>> over the Pro for its portability, not due to cost.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> On May 18, 2016, at 8:01 AM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net 
>> <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> So I’m not sure what country you’re in or store options you have, Best Buy 
>> in the US is running laptop deals right now and I think it’s $100 or more 
>> off Apple Laptops.
>> 
>> That aside, with your requirement I’d probably go with an Apple Macbook pro 
>> and you could go with a 13 inch model to save on the cost if you wanted.  
>> There are both i5 and i7 options for processors so you could spend as much 
>> as you wanted there, memory options and all SSD.  The air is a bit less 
>> expensive but when in best buy the other day they had an air and a pro at 
>> the exact same price so with all things equal I’d go with a pro model.
>> I would also budget $100 or so for VMWare fusion for running 
>> that windows instance on top of OS X.  It’s in my mind preferable to boot 
>> camp since you have both options at the same time, others may disagree.
>> 
>> That’s my suggestion.
>> 
>> Good luck and let us know what you decide.
>> 
>> On May 18, 2016, at 7:33 AM, Cris Ali <filasti...@hotmail.com 
>> <mailto:filasti...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Folks,
>> I have never used the OSX system before.  I have always been a windows user. 
>> However, now is the time for me to buy a new laptop. I decided to give the 
>> apple mac a try.
>> I d

Re: What shall I get? Any recommendations?

[Donna Goodin]

You know, you might be onto something.  I can't imagine any other reason why 
that would work for you but not for me.  I really do miss having those keys.
Cheers,
Donna
> On May 20, 2016, at 5:03 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> Interesting, wonder if it works because I’m using an Austrailain keyboard 
> layout rather than USA,
>  
> I’ll have to have a a play.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Friday, 20 May 2016 12:28 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: What shall I get? Any recommendations?
>  
> Simon, 
>  
> That has never worked for me.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> On May 19, 2016, at 4:17 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com 
> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>  
> Hi Donna,
>  
> Just a note on this, mac notebook keyboards do have home and end keys,
>  
> Use the function key and left / right for end and home and function up and 
> down for Page up and page down.
>  
> Simon f
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Thursday, 19 May 2016 1:08 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: What shall I get? Any recommendations?
>  
> Hi Cait,
>  
> Mostly the form factor.  I find the Air to be fast enough for my needs, so 
> prefer the smaller, lighter unit.
>  
> I agree about the missing control key.  I also wish Mac laptop keyboards had 
> Home and End Keys  - I find those keystrokes ridiculously impossible to 
> perform.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>  
>  
> On May 18, 2016, at 8:01 AM, Caitlyn Furness <caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>  
> donna,
> What do you like about the air over the pro??
>  
> Just wondering.  I myself own a macbook air, with maxed out specs, and I love 
> the thing!  I do miss the control key on the right, though, sometimes, but 
> none of the apple laptops have that, so I’ve just gotten used to not having 
> it..
>  
> Cait
>  
> On May 18, 2016, at 7:46 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com 
> <mailto:doniado...@me.com>> wrote:
>  
> Hi Cris,
>  
> the MacBook Air would be my recommendation.  It's light and small, very easy 
> to carry around.  It's plenty fast for browsing the web.  I've had my Air 
> since 2013.  I may replace it this year or next, but as much as anything 
> that's because I like new toys. :)  It is in no way obsolete.  I did however, 
> spend the extra money to max out the specs.  One thing about the air is that 
> what you buy is what you will have for the rest of the life of the computer.  
> So the time to add extra storage or memory, is when you purchase the unit.  I 
> started out on a MacBook Pro, but have been very happy having switched to the 
> Air.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>  
> On May 18, 2016, at 6:33 AM, Cris Ali <filasti...@hotmail.com 
> <mailto:filasti...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
>  
> Hello Folks,
> I have never used the OSX system before.  I have always been a windows user. 
> However, now is the time for me to buy a new laptop. I decided to give the 
> apple mac a try.
> I do not know what apple laptop to buy. I am looking for a machine powerful 
> enough to keep for a number of years without getting obsolete so fast.  But I 
> do not want it to be outrageously expensive either.  I also want it to have 
> enough ram and storage to support the installation of windows to use during 
> the transition period. I also want it to be fast enough, not to drive me 
> crazy each time I browse the web.
> Any recommendations will be appreciated.
> Regards,
> Cris
>  
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Re: What shall I get? Any recommendations?

[Donna Goodin]

lol.  Sorry, Simon, I think many of us over here are having the same dream.
Cheers,
Donna
> On May 20, 2016, at 5:02 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna,
>  
> Yeah I’ve got a habit of doing that.
>  
> I keep dreaming where the world is destroyed by the next US Pres, surely 
> though it’s only a dream?
>  
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Friday, 20 May 2016 12:26 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: What shall I get? Any recommendations?
>  
> I'd love that too, Simon.  But yeah, my guess is you're dreaming. :)
> Cheers,
> Donna
> On May 19, 2016, at 4:16 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com 
> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>  
> Hi Donna & Scott,
>  
> Donna I have the same air as you have and yes portability was one of the 
> leading factors but power was the next hence the reason to upgrade to top 
> specs for 11 inch air.
>  
> However if they start this year producing air devices with the mobile 
> processors then I will be looking at the pros first.
>  
> I’d love to think though that they will go with the air being able to run 16 
> Gig ram, 1TB SSD and a full I7 processor, ut guessing I’m dreaming that one.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Thursday, 19 May 2016 1:05 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: What shall I get? Any recommendations?
>  
> Hey Scott,
>  
> One caveat I would add here is that it depends on how important portability 
> is.  the Air is much nicer to carry around, especially if you're also hauling 
> a braille display.  Just something to consider.  I chose the Air over the Pro 
> for its portability, not due to cost.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> On May 18, 2016, at 8:01 AM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net 
> <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:
>  
> So I’m not sure what country you’re in or store options you have, Best Buy in 
> the US is running laptop deals right now and I think it’s $100 or more off 
> Apple Laptops.
>  
> That aside, with your requirement I’d probably go with an Apple Macbook pro 
> and you could go with a 13 inch model to save on the cost if you wanted.  
> There are both i5 and i7 options for processors so you could spend as much as 
> you wanted there, memory options and all SSD.  The air is a bit less 
> expensive but when in best buy the other day they had an air and a pro at the 
> exact same price so with all things equal I’d go with a pro model.
> I would also budget $100 or so for VMWare fusion for running that 
> windows instance on top of OS X.  It’s in my mind preferable to boot camp 
> since you have both options at the same time, others may disagree.
>  
> That’s my suggestion.
>  
> Good luck and let us know what you decide.
>  
> On May 18, 2016, at 7:33 AM, Cris Ali <filasti...@hotmail.com 
> <mailto:filasti...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
>  
> Hello Folks,
> I have never used the OSX system before.  I have always been a windows user. 
> However, now is the time for me to buy a new laptop. I decided to give the 
> apple mac a try.
> I do not know what apple laptop to buy. I am looking for a machine powerful 
> enough to keep for a number of years without getting obsolete so fast.  But 
> Ido not want it to be outrageously expensive either.  I also want it to have 
> enough ram and storage to support the installation of windows to use during 
> the transition period. I also want it to be fast enough, not to drive me 
> crazy each time I browse the web.
> Any recommendations will be appreciated.
> Regards,
> Cris
>  
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Re: What shall I get? Any recommendations?

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

Problem with the Mac Mini is that they seriously undermined it when going from 
quad-core to dual-core.  Sure, it’s still a fabbo Mac, and I bought one to run 
headless and could probably use it as a replacement for my desktop if the need 
arose, and it’s still an excellent starter Mac.  But it no longer threatens the 
iMac or Mac Pro and is no longer upgradable and that’s a great shame.

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RE: What shall I get? Any recommendations?

[Simon Fogarty]

And Chris,

I’ll just add either way, I’d have a mac book pro if the prices for them in NZ 
were within my range.
But $4000 NZ $ is a bit high for me.

Good luck you’ll be buying a great device what ever you get.


From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Friday, 20 May 2016 12:29 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: What shall I get? Any recommendations?

Chris, with all this discussion I don’t want you to get the idea the macbook 
pro is a big boat anchor or anything.  The new 13 and 15 inch Macbook Pro 
retina laptops are very light for what you get.  It’s all SSD now so there’s no 
heavy hard drive and the battery is built in and light.  The air is just super 
thin and really stylish but both are great and very portable.


On May 19, 2016, at 8:13 AM, Cris Ali 
<filasti...@hotmail.com<mailto:filasti...@hotmail.com>> wrote:

Thanks Simon,
I am leaning to the 13 inch macbook pro.  I do not care much about weight, 
since I rarely carry my laptops around, probably two or three times a year at 
best.
Cheers,
Cris

From: 
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 On Behalf Of Simon Fogarty
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 3:00 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: What shall I get? Any recommendations?

Hi Chris,

Welcome to the world of Mac and Apple.

Your first statement about wanting a machine that will last you years without 
becoming obsolete, well that’s any mac book you get really so long as you look 
after it!

I’m using a mid 2013 mac book air which I had custom built with 8 gig ram, and 
512 gb SSD, with I7 processor,
With an apple warrenty extended to 3 years It cost me new zealdn dollars 
2800.00.

And I run windows 10 on it via bootcamp
It’s just as fast as my mac mini server which is also custom built with highest 
specs available at the time it was purchased in 2014.

The mac book air is to me the best value for money as it gives you higher specs 
for processor ram and SSD drive than the 12inch mac book

But there is available I believe a 13inch mac book pro with optical drive 500GB 
drive and 4GB ram
This is the older style so thicker and heavier  but you can put up to 16 gb 
ram, and increase the harddrive size or make it ssd if you have the need to do 
so,
I did this myself to one at the start of last year and it’s going great and 
apart from weight it’s running quicker than my air with a 480gb ssd and 16gb 
ram and I5 processor.

Really it comes down to what you wish to spend and custom build is a great 
option because you can future proof to your best abilities out of factory, you 
can’t change anything once you have the machine in your hands unless it’s the 
13inch with Optical drive.

Good luck finding your new toy.


Simon F
From: 
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 On Behalf Of Cris Ali
Sent: Wednesday, 18 May 2016 11:33 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: What shall I get? Any recommendations?

Hello Folks,
I have never used the OSX system before.  I have always been a windows user. 
However, now is the time for me to buy a new laptop. I decided to give the 
apple mac a try.
I do not know what apple laptop to buy. I am looking for a machine powerful 
enough to keep for a number of years without getting obsolete so fast.  But I 
do not want it to be outrageously expensive either.  I also want it to have 
enough ram and storage to support the installation of windows to use during the 
transition period. I also want it to be fast enough, not to drive me crazy each 
time I browse the web.
Any recommendations will be appreciated.
Regards,
Cris
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RE: What shall I get? Any recommendations?

[Simon Fogarty]

Interesting, wonder if it works because I’m using an Austrailain keyboard 
layout rather than USA,

I’ll have to have a a play.

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On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: Friday, 20 May 2016 12:28 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: What shall I get? Any recommendations?

Simon,

That has never worked for me.
Cheers,
Donna
On May 19, 2016, at 4:17 AM, Simon Fogarty 
<si...@blinky-net.com<mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Hi Donna,

Just a note on this, mac notebook keyboards do have home and end keys,

Use the function key and left / right for end and home and function up and down 
for Page up and page down.

Simon f

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: Thursday, 19 May 2016 1:08 AM
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Subject: Re: What shall I get? Any recommendations?

Hi Cait,

Mostly the form factor.  I find the Air to be fast enough for my needs, so 
prefer the smaller, lighter unit.

I agree about the missing control key.  I also wish Mac laptop keyboards had 
Home and End Keys  - I find those keystrokes ridiculously impossible to perform.
Cheers,
Donna


On May 18, 2016, at 8:01 AM, Caitlyn Furness 
<caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com<mailto:caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com>> wrote:

donna,
What do you like about the air over the pro??

Just wondering.  I myself own a macbook air, with maxed out specs, and I love 
the thing!  I do miss the control key on the right, though, sometimes, but none 
of the apple laptops have that, so I’ve just gotten used to not having it..

Cait

On May 18, 2016, at 7:46 AM, Donna Goodin 
<doniado...@me.com<mailto:doniado...@me.com>> wrote:

Hi Cris,

the MacBook Air would be my recommendation.  It's light and small, very easy to 
carry around.  It's plenty fast for browsing the web.  I've had my Air since 
2013.  I may replace it this year or next, but as much as anything that's 
because I like new toys. :)  It is in no way obsolete.  I did however, spend 
the extra money to max out the specs.  One thing about the air is that what you 
buy is what you will have for the rest of the life of the computer.  So the 
time to add extra storage or memory, is when you purchase the unit.  I started 
out on a MacBook Pro, but have been very happy having switched to the Air.
Cheers,
Donna

On May 18, 2016, at 6:33 AM, Cris Ali 
<filasti...@hotmail.com<mailto:filasti...@hotmail.com>> wrote:

Hello Folks,
I have never used the OSX system before.  I have always been a windows user. 
However, now is the time for me to buy a new laptop. I decided to give the 
apple mac a try.
I do not know what apple laptop to buy. I am looking for a machine powerful 
enough to keep for a number of years without getting obsolete so fast.  But I 
do not want it to be outrageously expensive either.  I also want it to have 
enough ram and storage to support the installation of windows to use during the 
transition period. I also want it to be fast enough, not to drive me crazy each 
time I browse the web.
Any recommendations will be appreciated.
Regards,
Cris

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RE: What shall I get? Any recommendations?

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Donna,

Yeah I’ve got a habit of doing that.

I keep dreaming where the world is destroyed by the next US Pres, surely though 
it’s only a dream?



From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: Friday, 20 May 2016 12:26 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: What shall I get? Any recommendations?

I'd love that too, Simon.  But yeah, my guess is you're dreaming. :)
Cheers,
Donna
On May 19, 2016, at 4:16 AM, Simon Fogarty 
<si...@blinky-net.com<mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Hi Donna & Scott,

Donna I have the same air as you have and yes portability was one of the 
leading factors but power was the next hence the reason to upgrade to top specs 
for 11 inch air.

However if they start this year producing air devices with the mobile 
processors then I will be looking at the pros first.

I’d love to think though that they will go with the air being able to run 16 
Gig ram, 1TB SSD and a full I7 processor, ut guessing I’m dreaming that one.

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: Thursday, 19 May 2016 1:05 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: What shall I get? Any recommendations?

Hey Scott,

One caveat I would add here is that it depends on how important portability is. 
 the Air is much nicer to carry around, especially if you're also hauling a 
braille display.  Just something to consider.  I chose the Air over the Pro for 
its portability, not due to cost.
Cheers,
Donna
On May 18, 2016, at 8:01 AM, Scott Granados 
<sc...@qualityip.net<mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:

So I’m not sure what country you’re in or store options you have, Best Buy in 
the US is running laptop deals right now and I think it’s $100 or more off 
Apple Laptops.

That aside, with your requirement I’d probably go with an Apple Macbook pro and 
you could go with a 13 inch model to save on the cost if you wanted.  There are 
both i5 and i7 options for processors so you could spend as much as you wanted 
there, memory options and all SSD.  The air is a bit less expensive but when in 
best buy the other day they had an air and a pro at the exact same price so 
with all things equal I’d go with a pro model.
I would also budget $100 or so for VMWare fusion for running that 
windows instance on top of OS X.  It’s in my mind preferable to boot camp since 
you have both options at the same time, others may disagree.

That’s my suggestion.

Good luck and let us know what you decide.

On May 18, 2016, at 7:33 AM, Cris Ali 
<filasti...@hotmail.com<mailto:filasti...@hotmail.com>> wrote:

Hello Folks,
I have never used the OSX system before.  I have always been a windows user. 
However, now is the time for me to buy a new laptop. I decided to give the 
apple mac a try.
I do not know what apple laptop to buy. I am looking for a machine powerful 
enough to keep for a number of years without getting obsolete so fast.  But Ido 
not want it to be outrageously expensive either.  I also want it to have enough 
ram and storage to support the installation of windows to use during the 
transition period. I also want it to be fast enough, not to drive me crazy each 
time I browse the web.
Any recommendations will be appreciated.
Regards,
Cris

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Re: What shall I get? Any recommendations?

[Traci Duncan]

I wanted to reiterate something here.  I’ve had my MBA since Summer 2011.  
Nearly 5 years and it’s performance feels no different from the day I started 
it up.  This continues to amaze me.  Four or five years into my Windows laptop, 
I was itching for a new one, because it just felt sluggish and out of date.

As another side note, the Mac Mini has been tempting me for years.  It grabs me 
more than buying an iMac.

Traci

> On May 19, 2016, at 5:28 AM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
> 
> Chris, with all this discussion I don’t want you to get the idea the macbook 
> pro is a big boat anchor or anything.  The new 13 and 15 inch Macbook Pro 
> retina laptops are very light for what you get.  It’s all SSD now so there’s 
> no heavy hard drive and the battery is built in and light.  The air is just 
> super thin and really stylish but both are great and very portable.
> 
> 
>> On May 19, 2016, at 8:13 AM, Cris Ali <filasti...@hotmail.com 
>> <mailto:filasti...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks Simon,
>> I am leaning to the 13 inch macbook pro.  I do not care much about weight, 
>> since I rarely carry my laptops around, probably two or three times a year 
>> at best.
>> Cheers,
>> Cris
>>  
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Simon Fogarty
>> Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 3:00 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: RE: What shall I get? Any recommendations?
>>  
>> Hi Chris,
>>  
>> Welcome to the world of Mac and Apple.
>>  
>> Your first statement about wanting a machine that will last you years 
>> without becoming obsolete, well that’s any mac book you get really so long 
>> as you look after it!
>>  
>> I’m using a mid 2013 mac book air which I had custom built with 8 gig ram, 
>> and 512 gb SSD, with I7 processor,
>> With an apple warrenty extended to 3 years It cost me new zealdn dollars 
>> 2800.00.
>>  
>> And I run windows 10 on it via bootcamp 
>> It’s just as fast as my mac mini server which is also custom built with 
>> highest specs available at the time it was purchased in 2014.
>>  
>> The mac book air is to me the best value for money as it gives you higher 
>> specs for processor ram and SSD drive than the 12inch mac book 
>>  
>> But there is available I believe a 13inch mac book pro with optical drive 
>> 500GB drive and 4GB ram 
>> This is the older style so thicker and heavier  but you can put up to 16 gb 
>> ram, and increase the harddrive size or make it ssd if you have the need to 
>> do so, 
>> I did this myself to one at the start of last year and it’s going great and 
>> apart from weight it’s running quicker than my air with a 480gb ssd and 16gb 
>> ram and I5 processor.
>>  
>> Really it comes down to what you wish to spend and custom build is a great 
>> option because you can future proof to your best abilities out of factory, 
>> you can’t change anything once you have the machine in your hands unless 
>> it’s the 13inch with Optical drive.
>>  
>> Good luck finding your new toy.
>>  
>>  
>> Simon F
>> 
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Cris Ali
>> Sent: Wednesday, 18 May 2016 11:33 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: What shall I get? Any recommendations?
>>  
>> Hello Folks,
>> 
>> I have never used the OSX system before.  I have always been a windows user. 
>> However, now is the time for me to buy a new laptop. I decided to give the 
>> apple mac a try.
>> 
>> I do not know what apple laptop to buy. I am looking for a machine powerful 
>> enough to keep for a number of years without getting obsolete so fast.  But 
>> I do not want it to be outrageously expensive either.  I also want it to 
>> have enough ram and storage to support the installation of windows to use 
>> during the transition period. I also want it to be fast enough, not to drive 
>> me crazy each time I browse the web.
>> 
>> Any recommendations will be appreciated.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Cris
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Re: What shall I get? Any recommendations?

[Donna Goodin]

Hi Cris,

If you don't carry your laptops around much, you can get a lot more bang for 
your buck with an iMac desktop.  Just might be something to think about.
Cheers,
Donna
> On May 19, 2016, at 7:13 AM, Cris Ali <filasti...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Thanks Simon,
> I am leaning to the 13 inch macbook pro.  I do not care much about weight, 
> since I rarely carry my laptops around, probably two or three times a year at 
> best.
> Cheers,
> Cris
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Simon Fogarty
> Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 3:00 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: RE: What shall I get? Any recommendations?
>  
> Hi Chris,
>  
> Welcome to the world of Mac and Apple.
>  
> Your first statement about wanting a machine that will last you years without 
> becoming obsolete, well that’s any mac book you get really so long as you 
> look after it!
>  
> I’m using a mid 2013 mac book air which I had custom built with 8 gig ram, 
> and 512 gb SSD, with I7 processor,
> With an apple warrenty extended to 3 years It cost me new zealdn dollars 
> 2800.00.
>  
> And I run windows 10 on it via bootcamp 
> It’s just as fast as my mac mini server which is also custom built with 
> highest specs available at the time it was purchased in 2014.
>  
> The mac book air is to me the best value for money as it gives you higher 
> specs for processor ram and SSD drive than the 12inch mac book 
>  
> But there is available I believe a 13inch mac book pro with optical drive 
> 500GB drive and 4GB ram 
> This is the older style so thicker and heavier  but you can put up to 16 gb 
> ram, and increase the harddrive size or make it ssd if you have the need to 
> do so, 
> I did this myself to one at the start of last year and it’s going great and 
> apart from weight it’s running quicker than my air with a 480gb ssd and 16gb 
> ram and I5 processor.
>  
> Really it comes down to what you wish to spend and custom build is a great 
> option because you can future proof to your best abilities out of factory, 
> you can’t change anything once you have the machine in your hands unless it’s 
> the 13inch with Optical drive.
>  
> Good luck finding your new toy.
>  
>  
> Simon F
> 
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Cris Ali
> Sent: Wednesday, 18 May 2016 11:33 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: What shall I get? Any recommendations?
>  
> Hello Folks,
> 
> I have never used the OSX system before.  I have always been a windows user. 
> However, now is the time for me to buy a new laptop. I decided to give the 
> apple mac a try.
> 
> I do not know what apple laptop to buy. I am looking for a machine powerful 
> enough to keep for a number of years without getting obsolete so fast.  But I 
> do not want it to be outrageously expensive either.  I also want it to have 
> enough ram and storage to support the installation of windows to use during 
> the transition period. I also want it to be fast enough, not to drive me 
> crazy each time I browse the web.
> 
> Any recommendations will be appreciated.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Cris
> 
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Re: What shall I get? Any recommendations?

[Scott Granados]

Chris, with all this discussion I don’t want you to get the idea the macbook 
pro is a big boat anchor or anything.  The new 13 and 15 inch Macbook Pro 
retina laptops are very light for what you get.  It’s all SSD now so there’s no 
heavy hard drive and the battery is built in and light.  The air is just super 
thin and really stylish but both are great and very portable.


> On May 19, 2016, at 8:13 AM, Cris Ali <filasti...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Thanks Simon,
> I am leaning to the 13 inch macbook pro.  I do not care much about weight, 
> since I rarely carry my laptops around, probably two or three times a year at 
> best.
> Cheers,
> Cris
> 
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Simon Fogarty
> Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 3:00 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: RE: What shall I get? Any recommendations?
> 
> Hi Chris,
> 
> Welcome to the world of Mac and Apple.
> 
> Your first statement about wanting a machine that will last you years without 
> becoming obsolete, well that’s any mac book you get really so long as you 
> look after it!
> 
> I’m using a mid 2013 mac book air which I had custom built with 8 gig ram, 
> and 512 gb SSD, with I7 processor,
> With an apple warrenty extended to 3 years It cost me new zealdn dollars 
> 2800.00.
> 
> And I run windows 10 on it via bootcamp
> It’s just as fast as my mac mini server which is also custom built with 
> highest specs available at the time it was purchased in 2014.
> 
> The mac book air is to me the best value for money as it gives you higher 
> specs for processor ram and SSD drive than the 12inch mac book
> 
> But there is available I believe a 13inch mac book pro with optical drive 
> 500GB drive and 4GB ram
> This is the older style so thicker and heavier  but you can put up to 16 gb 
> ram, and increase the harddrive size or make it ssd if you have the need to 
> do so,
> I did this myself to one at the start of last year and it’s going great and 
> apart from weight it’s running quicker than my air with a 480gb ssd and 16gb 
> ram and I5 processor.
> 
> Really it comes down to what you wish to spend and custom build is a great 
> option because you can future proof to your best abilities out of factory, 
> you can’t change anything once you have the machine in your hands unless it’s 
> the 13inch with Optical drive.
> 
> Good luck finding your new toy.
> 
> 
> Simon F
> 
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Cris Ali
> Sent: Wednesday, 18 May 2016 11:33 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: What shall I get? Any recommendations?
> 
> Hello Folks,
> 
> I have never used the OSX system before.  I have always been a windows user. 
> However, now is the time for me to buy a new laptop. I decided to give the 
> apple mac a try.
> 
> I do not know what apple laptop to buy. I am looking for a machine powerful 
> enough to keep for a number of years without getting obsolete so fast.  But I 
> do not want it to be outrageously expensive either.  I also want it to have 
> enough ram and storage to support the installation of windows to use during 
> the transition period. I also want it to be fast enough, not to drive me 
> crazy each time I browse the web.
> 
> Any recommendations will be appreciated.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Cris
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Re: What shall I get? Any recommendations?

[Donna Goodin]

Simon, 

That has never worked for me.
Cheers,
Donna
> On May 19, 2016, at 4:17 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna,
>  
> Just a note on this, mac notebook keyboards do have home and end keys,
>  
> Use the function key and left / right for end and home and function up and 
> down for Page up and page down.
>  
> Simon f
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Thursday, 19 May 2016 1:08 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: What shall I get? Any recommendations?
>  
> Hi Cait,
>  
> Mostly the form factor.  I find the Air to be fast enough for my needs, so 
> prefer the smaller, lighter unit.
>  
> I agree about the missing control key.  I also wish Mac laptop keyboards had 
> Home and End Keys  - I find those keystrokes ridiculously impossible to 
> perform.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>  
>  
> On May 18, 2016, at 8:01 AM, Caitlyn Furness <caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>  
> donna,
> What do you like about the air over the pro??
>  
> Just wondering.  I myself own a macbook air, with maxed out specs, and I love 
> the thing!  I do miss the control key on the right, though, sometimes, but 
> none of the apple laptops have that, so I’ve just gotten used to not having 
> it..
>  
> Cait
>  
> On May 18, 2016, at 7:46 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com 
> <mailto:doniado...@me.com>> wrote:
>  
> Hi Cris,
>  
> the MacBook Air would be my recommendation.  It's light and small, very easy 
> to carry around.  It's plenty fast for browsing the web.  I've had my Air 
> since 2013.  I may replace it this year or next, but as much as anything 
> that's because I like new toys. :)  It is in no way obsolete.  I did however, 
> spend the extra money to max out the specs.  One thing about the air is that 
> what you buy is what you will have for the rest of the life of the computer.  
> So the time to add extra storage or memory, is when you purchase the unit.  I 
> started out on a MacBook Pro, but have been very happy having switched to the 
> Air.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>  
> On May 18, 2016, at 6:33 AM, Cris Ali <filasti...@hotmail.com 
> <mailto:filasti...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
>  
> Hello Folks,
> I have never used the OSX system before.  I have always been a windows user. 
> However, now is the time for me to buy a new laptop. I decided to give the 
> apple mac a try.
> I do not know what apple laptop to buy. I am looking for a machine powerful 
> enough to keep for a number of years without getting obsolete so fast.  But I 
> do not want it to be outrageously expensive either.  I also want it to have 
> enough ram and storage to support the installation of windows to use during 
> the transition period. I also want it to be fast enough, not to drive me 
> crazy each time I browse the web.
> Any recommendations will be appreciated.
> Regards,
> Cris
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Re: What shall I get? Any recommendations?

[Donna Goodin]

I'd love that too, Simon.  But yeah, my guess is you're dreaming. :)
Cheers,
Donna
> On May 19, 2016, at 4:16 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna & Scott,
>  
> Donna I have the same air as you have and yes portability was one of the 
> leading factors but power was the next hence the reason to upgrade to top 
> specs for 11 inch air.
>  
> However if they start this year producing air devices with the mobile 
> processors then I will be looking at the pros first.
>  
> I’d love to think though that they will go with the air being able to run 16 
> Gig ram, 1TB SSD and a full I7 processor, ut guessing I’m dreaming that one.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Thursday, 19 May 2016 1:05 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: What shall I get? Any recommendations?
>  
> Hey Scott,
>  
> One caveat I would add here is that it depends on how important portability 
> is.  the Air is much nicer to carry around, especially if you're also hauling 
> a braille display.  Just something to consider.  I chose the Air over the Pro 
> for its portability, not due to cost.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> On May 18, 2016, at 8:01 AM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net 
> <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:
>  
> So I’m not sure what country you’re in or store options you have, Best Buy in 
> the US is running laptop deals right now and I think it’s $100 or more off 
> Apple Laptops.
>  
> That aside, with your requirement I’d probably go with an Apple Macbook pro 
> and you could go with a 13 inch model to save on the cost if you wanted.  
> There are both i5 and i7 options for processors so you could spend as much as 
> you wanted there, memory options and all SSD.  The air is a bit less 
> expensive but when in best buy the other day they had an air and a pro at the 
> exact same price so with all things equal I’d go with a pro model.
> I would also budget $100 or so for VMWare fusion for running that 
> windows instance on top of OS X.  It’s in my mind preferable to boot camp 
> since you have both options at the same time, others may disagree.
>  
> That’s my suggestion.
>  
> Good luck and let us know what you decide.
>  
> On May 18, 2016, at 7:33 AM, Cris Ali <filasti...@hotmail.com 
> <mailto:filasti...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
>  
> Hello Folks,
> I have never used the OSX system before.  I have always been a windows user. 
> However, now is the time for me to buy a new laptop. I decided to give the 
> apple mac a try.
> I do not know what apple laptop to buy. I am looking for a machine powerful 
> enough to keep for a number of years without getting obsolete so fast.  But 
> Ido not want it to be outrageously expensive either.  I also want it to have 
> enough ram and storage to support the installation of windows to use during 
> the transition period. I also want it to be fast enough, not to drive me 
> crazy each time I browse the web.
> Any recommendations will be appreciated.
> Regards,
> Cris
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RE: What shall I get? Any recommendations?

[Cris Ali]

Thanks Simon,

I am leaning to the 13 inch macbook pro.  I do not care much about weight, 
since I rarely carry my laptops around, probably two or three times a year at 
best.

Cheers,

Cris

 

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On Behalf Of Simon Fogarty
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 3:00 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: What shall I get? Any recommendations?

 

Hi Chris,

 

Welcome to the world of Mac and Apple.

 

Your first statement about wanting a machine that will last you years without 
becoming obsolete, well that’s any mac book you get really so long as you look 
after it!

 

I’m using a mid 2013 mac book air which I had custom built with 8 gig ram, and 
512 gb SSD, with I7 processor,

With an apple warrenty extended to 3 years It cost me new zealdn dollars 
2800.00.

 

And I run windows 10 on it via bootcamp 

It’s just as fast as my mac mini server which is also custom built with highest 
specs available at the time it was purchased in 2014.

 

The mac book air is to me the best value for money as it gives you higher specs 
for processor ram and SSD drive than the 12inch mac book 

 

But there is available I believe a 13inch mac book pro with optical drive 500GB 
drive and 4GB ram 

This is the older style so thicker and heavier  but you can put up to 16 gb 
ram, and increase the harddrive size or make it ssd if you have the need to do 
so, 

I did this myself to one at the start of last year and it’s going great and 
apart from weight it’s running quicker than my air with a 480gb ssd and 16gb 
ram and I5 processor.

 

Really it comes down to what you wish to spend and custom build is a great 
option because you can future proof to your best abilities out of factory, you 
can’t change anything once you have the machine in your hands unless it’s the 
13inch with Optical drive.

 

Good luck finding your new toy.

 

 

Simon F

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cris Ali
Sent: Wednesday, 18 May 2016 11:33 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: What shall I get? Any recommendations?

 

Hello Folks,

I have never used the OSX system before.  I have always been a windows user. 
However, now is the time for me to buy a new laptop. I decided to give the 
apple mac a try.

I do not know what apple laptop to buy. I am looking for a machine powerful 
enough to keep for a number of years without getting obsolete so fast.  But I 
do not want it to be outrageously expensive either.  I also want it to have 
enough ram and storage to support the installation of windows to use during the 
transition period. I also want it to be fast enough, not to drive me crazy each 
time I browse the web.

Any recommendations will be appreciated.

Regards,

Cris

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RE: What shall I get? Any recommendations?

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Donna,

Just a note on this, mac notebook keyboards do have home and end keys,

Use the function key and left / right for end and home and function up and down 
for Page up and page down.

Simon f

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: Thursday, 19 May 2016 1:08 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: What shall I get? Any recommendations?

Hi Cait,

Mostly the form factor.  I find the Air to be fast enough for my needs, so 
prefer the smaller, lighter unit.

I agree about the missing control key.  I also wish Mac laptop keyboards had 
Home and End Keys  - I find those keystrokes ridiculously impossible to perform.
Cheers,
Donna


On May 18, 2016, at 8:01 AM, Caitlyn Furness 
<caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com<mailto:caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com>> wrote:

donna,
What do you like about the air over the pro??

Just wondering.  I myself own a macbook air, with maxed out specs, and I love 
the thing!  I do miss the control key on the right, though, sometimes, but none 
of the apple laptops have that, so I’ve just gotten used to not having it..

Cait

On May 18, 2016, at 7:46 AM, Donna Goodin 
<doniado...@me.com<mailto:doniado...@me.com>> wrote:

Hi Cris,

the MacBook Air would be my recommendation.  It's light and small, very easy to 
carry around.  It's plenty fast for browsing the web.  I've had my Air since 
2013.  I may replace it this year or next, but as much as anything that's 
because I like new toys. :)  It is in no way obsolete.  I did however, spend 
the extra money to max out the specs.  One thing about the air is that what you 
buy is what you will have for the rest of the life of the computer.  So the 
time to add extra storage or memory, is when you purchase the unit.  I started 
out on a MacBook Pro, but have been very happy having switched to the Air.
Cheers,
Donna

On May 18, 2016, at 6:33 AM, Cris Ali 
<filasti...@hotmail.com<mailto:filasti...@hotmail.com>> wrote:

Hello Folks,
I have never used the OSX system before.  I have always been a windows user. 
However, now is the time for me to buy a new laptop. I decided to give the 
apple mac a try.
I do not know what apple laptop to buy. I am looking for a machine powerful 
enough to keep for a number of years without getting obsolete so fast.  But I 
do not want it to be outrageously expensive either.  I also want it to have 
enough ram and storage to support the installation of windows to use during the 
transition period. I also want it to be fast enough, not to drive me crazy each 
time I browse the web.
Any recommendations will be appreciated.
Regards,
Cris

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RE: What shall I get? Any recommendations?

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Donna & Scott,

Donna I have the same air as you have and yes portability was one of the 
leading factors but power was the next hence the reason to upgrade to top specs 
for 11 inch air.

However if they start this year producing air devices with the mobile 
processors then I will be looking at the pros first.

I’d love to think though that they will go with the air being able to run 16 
Gig ram, 1TB SSD and a full I7 processor, ut guessing I’m dreaming that one.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: Thursday, 19 May 2016 1:05 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: What shall I get? Any recommendations?

Hey Scott,

One caveat I would add here is that it depends on how important portability is. 
 the Air is much nicer to carry around, especially if you're also hauling a 
braille display.  Just something to consider.  I chose the Air over the Pro for 
its portability, not due to cost.
Cheers,
Donna
On May 18, 2016, at 8:01 AM, Scott Granados 
<sc...@qualityip.net<mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:

So I’m not sure what country you’re in or store options you have, Best Buy in 
the US is running laptop deals right now and I think it’s $100 or more off 
Apple Laptops.

That aside, with your requirement I’d probably go with an Apple Macbook pro and 
you could go with a 13 inch model to save on the cost if you wanted.  There are 
both i5 and i7 options for processors so you could spend as much as you wanted 
there, memory options and all SSD.  The air is a bit less expensive but when in 
best buy the other day they had an air and a pro at the exact same price so 
with all things equal I’d go with a pro model.
I would also budget $100 or so for VMWare fusion for running that 
windows instance on top of OS X.  It’s in my mind preferable to boot camp since 
you have both options at the same time, others may disagree.

That’s my suggestion.

Good luck and let us know what you decide.

On May 18, 2016, at 7:33 AM, Cris Ali 
<filasti...@hotmail.com<mailto:filasti...@hotmail.com>> wrote:

Hello Folks,
I have never used the OSX system before.  I have always been a windows user. 
However, now is the time for me to buy a new laptop. I decided to give the 
apple mac a try.
I do not know what apple laptop to buy. I am looking for a machine powerful 
enough to keep for a number of years without getting obsolete so fast.  But I 
do not want it to be outrageously expensive either.  I also want it to have 
enough ram and storage to support the installation of windows to use during the 
transition period. I also want it to be fast enough, not to drive me crazy each 
time I browse the web.
Any recommendations will be appreciated.
Regards,
Cris

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RE: What shall I get? Any recommendations?

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Chris,

Welcome to the world of Mac and Apple.

Your first statement about wanting a machine that will last you years without 
becoming obsolete, well that’s any mac book you get really so long as you look 
after it!

I’m using a mid 2013 mac book air which I had custom built with 8 gig ram, and 
512 gb SSD, with I7 processor,
With an apple warrenty extended to 3 years It cost me new zealdn dollars 
2800.00.

And I run windows 10 on it via bootcamp
It’s just as fast as my mac mini server which is also custom built with highest 
specs available at the time it was purchased in 2014.

The mac book air is to me the best value for money as it gives you higher specs 
for processor ram and SSD drive than the 12inch mac book

But there is available I believe a 13inch mac book pro with optical drive 500GB 
drive and 4GB ram
This is the older style so thicker and heavier  but you can put up to 16 gb 
ram, and increase the harddrive size or make it ssd if you have the need to do 
so,
I did this myself to one at the start of last year and it’s going great and 
apart from weight it’s running quicker than my air with a 480gb ssd and 16gb 
ram and I5 processor.

Really it comes down to what you wish to spend and custom build is a great 
option because you can future proof to your best abilities out of factory, you 
can’t change anything once you have the machine in your hands unless it’s the 
13inch with Optical drive.

Good luck finding your new toy.


Simon F

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Cris Ali
Sent: Wednesday, 18 May 2016 11:33 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: What shall I get? Any recommendations?


Hello Folks,

I have never used the OSX system before.  I have always been a windows user. 
However, now is the time for me to buy a new laptop. I decided to give the 
apple mac a try.

I do not know what apple laptop to buy. I am looking for a machine powerful 
enough to keep for a number of years without getting obsolete so fast.  But I 
do not want it to be outrageously expensive either.  I also want it to have 
enough ram and storage to support the installation of windows to use during the 
transition period. I also want it to be fast enough, not to drive me crazy each 
time I browse the web.

Any recommendations will be appreciated.

Regards,

Cris
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Re: What shall I get? Any recommendations?

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

I’m still on my 2010 15 MBP with 8 GB ram, cor i7 and 500 HD. No matter what 
you get, it will last!
> On May 18, 2016, at 6:00 PM, Seyoon Choi <syc20...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I currently own a mid 2014 maxed out configuration MacBook Pro retina. 
> Personally I am liking it’s fluidity and speed obviously from what I ‘ve pid 
> for, but for easy web browsing the Air should do its finest job. The only 
> concern that i have is that I had to get the large screen Mac as suppose to 
> smaller option because of specs. I could have just custom ordered one but the 
> stock order was nice and quick. Something else that I am not happy about is 
> the fact that these new macs don’t have upgradable internals unlike the older 
> models, but slimmer design and a bit lighter weight makes up for it. 
> 
>> On May 18, 2016, at 5:12 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I know for sure that the Late 2011 models still had the Line In and 
>> Headphone ports.  I believe that the 2012 models did as well.  After that, 
>> I'm not positive.  I'd actually need to quit being so lazy and do some 
>> research on that one.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On May 18, 2016, at 15:30, Karen Lewellen <klewel...@shellworld.net> wrote:
>> 
>> well...nice to find you sharing your wisdom!
>> A side question in this thread.  am I correct that what makes a pro a pro 
>> these  days is its power?  processing speed that sort of thing?
>> Oh and while I am at it, anyone remember the last mac laptop, pro or 
>> whatever, that still had line in line out and headphone jacks?  I know it 
>> may go back a bit, but for me the presence of the jacks are important.
>> Kare
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, 18 May 2016, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> The newer MacBook Pros aren't particularly heavy either.  The older models 
>>> with the spinning drive were considerably more heavy, but these new Retina 
>>> units with SSD's are a lot nicer to cart around.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On May 18, 2016, at 14:58, Cris Ali <filasti...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks for all of your replies folks,
>>> It is extremely hard to decide, since with the increase of ram and storage 
>>> on the air would bring the price of the air up to relatively become the 
>>> same as the pro.  I liked the air because of their slim light weight form, 
>>> however, since I do not carry my laptop that often outside my home, I am 
>>> not sure that the light weight will be a determining factor.
>>> I will have to struggle with making the decision for few days then just 
>>> make a pick.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Cris
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sabahattin Gucukoglu
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2016 12:30 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: What shall I get? Any recommendations?
>>> 
>>> This is clearly dependent on what your needs are, and the answer is 
>>> different based on who you ask.
>>> 
>>> I concur with those suggesting the Air.  The single-port MacBook has a 
>>> strong probability of near-term obsolescence.  Then again, the Air is 
>>> probably due for obsolescence by the same MacBook, so you’re buying for 
>>> specs, not style.  The upside there is that the cost is lower, but the 
>>> downside is you’ll still pay more for bumping the specs all the way up, 
>>> which I strongly suggest you do.
>>> 
>>> But, I was one of those who went from an Air to a Pro.  Especially if you 
>>> want to do lots of virtualisation, the Pro really comes into its own.  With 
>>> a quad-core processor and up to 16 GB of RAM, it really helps.  If you only 
>>> run one OS at a time, though, an Air ought to be fine.
>>> 
>>> Don’t forget the Mac Mini.  It’s a small-form-factor desktop computer.  If 
>>> you’re only buying for portability, this is an option.
>>> 
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RE: What shall I get? Any recommendations?

[Cris Ali]

Sarah,

I was thinking of the same thing, especially after I read the other thread 
about the new releases.  I was thinking that may be the current sixth 
generation macbooks price would go down to open the way for the sale of the 
seventh generation.

 

While we are on this topic, Do you recommend an audio tutorial or some text 
files for a complete mac novice?  I like to read a little or listen to some 
tutorials so that when I get my laptop I would know where to start.

Cheers,

Cris  

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Sarai Bucciarelli
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2016 5:57 PM
To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: What shall I get? Any recommendations?

 

Wait a month. New macs are coming!

On May 18, 2016, at 6:46 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com 
<mailto:doniado...@me.com> > wrote:

 

Hi Cris,

 

the MacBook Air would be my recommendation.  It's light and small, very easy to 
carry around.  It's plenty fast for browsing the web.  I've had my Air since 
2013.  I may replace it this year or next, but as much as anything that's 
because I like new toys. :)  It is in no way obsolete.  I did however, spend 
the extra money to max out the specs.  One thing about the air is that what you 
buy is what you will have for the rest of the life of the computer.  So the 
time to add extra storage or memory, is when you purchase the unit.  I started 
out on a MacBook Pro, but have been very happy having switched to the Air.

Cheers,

Donna

 

On May 18, 2016, at 6:33 AM, Cris Ali <filasti...@hotmail.com 
<mailto:filasti...@hotmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hello Folks,

I have never used the OSX system before.  I have always been a windows user. 
However, now is the time for me to buy a new laptop. I decided to give the 
apple mac a try.

I do not know what apple laptop to buy. I am looking for a machine powerful 
enough to keep for a number of years without getting obsolete so fast.  But I 
do not want it to be outrageously expensive either.  I also want it to have 
enough ram and storage to support the installation of windows to use during the 
transition period. I also want it to be fast enough, not to drive me crazy each 
time I browse the web.

Any recommendations will be appreciated.

Regards,

Cris

 

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Re: What shall I get? Any recommendations?

[Scott Granados]

+1 to this point, I do not like the fact the laptops aren’t user upgradable any 
more either.  I had a 2011 model that I put 32GB of memory in and a 1TB SSD and 
it’s still very useful today.  I also bought the memory and SSD from a 3rd 
party for pennies on the dollar.  This is probably the real reason the user 
upgradable parts went away.



> On May 18, 2016, at 7:00 PM, Seyoon Choi <syc20...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I currently own a mid 2014 maxed out configuration MacBook Pro retina. 
> Personally I am liking it’s fluidity and speed obviously from what I ‘ve pid 
> for, but for easy web browsing the Air should do its finest job. The only 
> concern that i have is that I had to get the large screen Mac as suppose to 
> smaller option because of specs. I could have just custom ordered one but the 
> stock order was nice and quick. Something else that I am not happy about is 
> the fact that these new macs don’t have upgradable internals unlike the older 
> models, but slimmer design and a bit lighter weight makes up for it. 
> 
>> On May 18, 2016, at 5:12 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I know for sure that the Late 2011 models still had the Line In and 
>> Headphone ports.  I believe that the 2012 models did as well.  After that, 
>> I'm not positive.  I'd actually need to quit being so lazy and do some 
>> research on that one.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On May 18, 2016, at 15:30, Karen Lewellen <klewel...@shellworld.net> wrote:
>> 
>> well...nice to find you sharing your wisdom!
>> A side question in this thread.  am I correct that what makes a pro a pro 
>> these  days is its power?  processing speed that sort of thing?
>> Oh and while I am at it, anyone remember the last mac laptop, pro or 
>> whatever, that still had line in line out and headphone jacks?  I know it 
>> may go back a bit, but for me the presence of the jacks are important.
>> Kare
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, 18 May 2016, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> The newer MacBook Pros aren't particularly heavy either.  The older models 
>>> with the spinning drive were considerably more heavy, but these new Retina 
>>> units with SSD's are a lot nicer to cart around.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On May 18, 2016, at 14:58, Cris Ali <filasti...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks for all of your replies folks,
>>> It is extremely hard to decide, since with the increase of ram and storage 
>>> on the air would bring the price of the air up to relatively become the 
>>> same as the pro.  I liked the air because of their slim light weight form, 
>>> however, since I do not carry my laptop that often outside my home, I am 
>>> not sure that the light weight will be a determining factor.
>>> I will have to struggle with making the decision for few days then just 
>>> make a pick.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Cris
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sabahattin Gucukoglu
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2016 12:30 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: What shall I get? Any recommendations?
>>> 
>>> This is clearly dependent on what your needs are, and the answer is 
>>> different based on who you ask.
>>> 
>>> I concur with those suggesting the Air.  The single-port MacBook has a 
>>> strong probability of near-term obsolescence.  Then again, the Air is 
>>> probably due for obsolescence by the same MacBook, so you’re buying for 
>>> specs, not style.  The upside there is that the cost is lower, but the 
>>> downside is you’ll still pay more for bumping the specs all the way up, 
>>> which I strongly suggest you do.
>>> 
>>> But, I was one of those who went from an Air to a Pro.  Especially if you 
>>> want to do lots of virtualisation, the Pro really comes into its own.  With 
>>> a quad-core processor and up to 16 GB of RAM, it really helps.  If you only 
>>> run one OS at a time, though, an Air ought to be fine.
>>> 
>>> Don’t forget the Mac Mini.  It’s a small-form-factor desktop computer.  If 
>>> you’re only buying for portability, this is an option.
>>> 
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Re: What shall I get? Any recommendations?

[Scott Granados]

The 15 inch Macbook pros I believe have the line in and out, mine does and it’s 
a 2015 model.  The 13 inch pro has a single jack that handles both line in and 
headphones.


> On May 18, 2016, at 5:30 PM, Karen Lewellen <klewel...@shellworld.net> wrote:
> 
> well...nice to find you sharing your wisdom!
> A side question in this thread.  am I correct that what makes a pro a pro 
> these  days is its power?  processing speed that sort of thing?
> Oh and while I am at it, anyone remember the last mac laptop, pro or 
> whatever, that still had line in line out and headphone jacks?  I know it may 
> go back a bit, but for me the presence of the jacks are important.
> Kare
> 
> 
> On Wed, 18 May 2016, Tim Kilburn wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> The newer MacBook Pros aren't particularly heavy either.  The older models 
>> with the spinning drive were considerably more heavy, but these new Retina 
>> units with SSD's are a lot nicer to cart around.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On May 18, 2016, at 14:58, Cris Ali <filasti...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks for all of your replies folks,
>> It is extremely hard to decide, since with the increase of ram and storage 
>> on the air would bring the price of the air up to relatively become the same 
>> as the pro.  I liked the air because of their slim light weight form, 
>> however, since I do not carry my laptop that often outside my home, I am not 
>> sure that the light weight will be a determining factor.
>> I will have to struggle with making the decision for few days then just make 
>> a pick.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Cris
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sabahattin Gucukoglu
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2016 12:30 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: What shall I get? Any recommendations?
>> 
>> This is clearly dependent on what your needs are, and the answer is 
>> different based on who you ask.
>> 
>> I concur with those suggesting the Air.  The single-port MacBook has a 
>> strong probability of near-term obsolescence.  Then again, the Air is 
>> probably due for obsolescence by the same MacBook, so you’re buying for 
>> specs, not style.  The upside there is that the cost is lower, but the 
>> downside is you’ll still pay more for bumping the specs all the way up, 
>> which I strongly suggest you do.
>> 
>> But, I was one of those who went from an Air to a Pro.  Especially if you 
>> want to do lots of virtualisation, the Pro really comes into its own.  With 
>> a quad-core processor and up to 16 GB of RAM, it really helps.  If you only 
>> run one OS at a time, though, an Air ought to be fine.
>> 
>> Don’t forget the Mac Mini.  It’s a small-form-factor desktop computer.  If 
>> you’re only buying for portability, this is an option.
>> 
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Re: What shall I get? Any recommendations?

[Seyoon Choi]

I currently own a mid 2014 maxed out configuration MacBook Pro retina. 
Personally I am liking it’s fluidity and speed obviously from what I ‘ve pid 
for, but for easy web browsing the Air should do its finest job. The only 
concern that i have is that I had to get the large screen Mac as suppose to 
smaller option because of specs. I could have just custom ordered one but the 
stock order was nice and quick. Something else that I am not happy about is the 
fact that these new macs don’t have upgradable internals unlike the older 
models, but slimmer design and a bit lighter weight makes up for it. 
 
> On May 18, 2016, at 5:12 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I know for sure that the Late 2011 models still had the Line In and Headphone 
> ports.  I believe that the 2012 models did as well.  After that, I'm not 
> positive.  I'd actually need to quit being so lazy and do some research on 
> that one.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On May 18, 2016, at 15:30, Karen Lewellen <klewel...@shellworld.net> wrote:
> 
> well...nice to find you sharing your wisdom!
> A side question in this thread.  am I correct that what makes a pro a pro 
> these  days is its power?  processing speed that sort of thing?
> Oh and while I am at it, anyone remember the last mac laptop, pro or 
> whatever, that still had line in line out and headphone jacks?  I know it may 
> go back a bit, but for me the presence of the jacks are important.
> Kare
> 
> 
> On Wed, 18 May 2016, Tim Kilburn wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> The newer MacBook Pros aren't particularly heavy either.  The older models 
>> with the spinning drive were considerably more heavy, but these new Retina 
>> units with SSD's are a lot nicer to cart around.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On May 18, 2016, at 14:58, Cris Ali <filasti...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks for all of your replies folks,
>> It is extremely hard to decide, since with the increase of ram and storage 
>> on the air would bring the price of the air up to relatively become the same 
>> as the pro.  I liked the air because of their slim light weight form, 
>> however, since I do not carry my laptop that often outside my home, I am not 
>> sure that the light weight will be a determining factor.
>> I will have to struggle with making the decision for few days then just make 
>> a pick.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Cris
>> 
>> -----Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sabahattin Gucukoglu
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2016 12:30 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: What shall I get? Any recommendations?
>> 
>> This is clearly dependent on what your needs are, and the answer is 
>> different based on who you ask.
>> 
>> I concur with those suggesting the Air.  The single-port MacBook has a 
>> strong probability of near-term obsolescence.  Then again, the Air is 
>> probably due for obsolescence by the same MacBook, so you’re buying for 
>> specs, not style.  The upside there is that the cost is lower, but the 
>> downside is you’ll still pay more for bumping the specs all the way up, 
>> which I strongly suggest you do.
>> 
>> But, I was one of those who went from an Air to a Pro.  Especially if you 
>> want to do lots of virtualisation, the Pro really comes into its own.  With 
>> a quad-core processor and up to 16 GB of RAM, it really helps.  If you only 
>> run one OS at a time, though, an Air ought to be fine.
>> 
>> Don’t forget the Mac Mini.  It’s a small-form-factor desktop computer.  If 
>> you’re only buying for portability, this is an option.
>> 
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Re: What shall I get? Any recommendations?

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

I know for sure that the Late 2011 models still had the Line In and Headphone 
ports.  I believe that the 2012 models did as well.  After that, I'm not 
positive.  I'd actually need to quit being so lazy and do some research on that 
one.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On May 18, 2016, at 15:30, Karen Lewellen <klewel...@shellworld.net> wrote:

well...nice to find you sharing your wisdom!
A side question in this thread.  am I correct that what makes a pro a pro these 
 days is its power?  processing speed that sort of thing?
Oh and while I am at it, anyone remember the last mac laptop, pro or whatever, 
that still had line in line out and headphone jacks?  I know it may go back a 
bit, but for me the presence of the jacks are important.
Kare


On Wed, 18 May 2016, Tim Kilburn wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> The newer MacBook Pros aren't particularly heavy either.  The older models 
> with the spinning drive were considerably more heavy, but these new Retina 
> units with SSD's are a lot nicer to cart around.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On May 18, 2016, at 14:58, Cris Ali <filasti...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Thanks for all of your replies folks,
> It is extremely hard to decide, since with the increase of ram and storage on 
> the air would bring the price of the air up to relatively become the same as 
> the pro.  I liked the air because of their slim light weight form, however, 
> since I do not carry my laptop that often outside my home, I am not sure that 
> the light weight will be a determining factor.
> I will have to struggle with making the decision for few days then just make 
> a pick.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Cris
> 
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> 
> This is clearly dependent on what your needs are, and the answer is different 
> based on who you ask.
> 
> I concur with those suggesting the Air.  The single-port MacBook has a strong 
> probability of near-term obsolescence.  Then again, the Air is probably due 
> for obsolescence by the same MacBook, so you’re buying for specs, not style.  
> The upside there is that the cost is lower, but the downside is you’ll still 
> pay more for bumping the specs all the way up, which I strongly suggest you 
> do.
> 
> But, I was one of those who went from an Air to a Pro.  Especially if you 
> want to do lots of virtualisation, the Pro really comes into its own.  With a 
> quad-core processor and up to 16 GB of RAM, it really helps.  If you only run 
> one OS at a time, though, an Air ought to be fine.
> 
> Don’t forget the Mac Mini.  It’s a small-form-factor desktop computer.  If 
> you’re only buying for portability, this is an option.
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Re: What shall I get? Any recommendations?

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

Wait a month. New macs are coming!
> On May 18, 2016, at 6:46 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi Cris,
> 
> the MacBook Air would be my recommendation.  It's light and small, very easy 
> to carry around.  It's plenty fast for browsing the web.  I've had my Air 
> since 2013.  I may replace it this year or next, but as much as anything 
> that's because I like new toys. :)  It is in no way obsolete.  I did however, 
> spend the extra money to max out the specs.  One thing about the air is that 
> what you buy is what you will have for the rest of the life of the computer.  
> So the time to add extra storage or memory, is when you purchase the unit.  I 
> started out on a MacBook Pro, but have been very happy having switched to the 
> Air.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On May 18, 2016, at 6:33 AM, Cris Ali > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Folks,
>> I have never used the OSX system before.  I have always been a windows user. 
>> However, now is the time for me to buy a new laptop. I decided to give the 
>> apple mac a try.
>> I do not know what apple laptop to buy. I am looking for a machine powerful 
>> enough to keep for a number of years without getting obsolete so fast.  But 
>> I do not want it to be outrageously expensive either.  I also want it to 
>> have enough ram and storage to support the installation of windows to use 
>> during the transition period. I also want it to be fast enough, not to drive 
>> me crazy each time I browse the web.
>> Any recommendations will be appreciated.
>> Regards,
>> Cris
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Re: What shall I get? Any recommendations?

[Karen Lewellen]

well...nice to find you sharing your wisdom!
A side question in this thread.  am I correct that what makes a pro a pro 
these  days is its power?  processing speed that sort of thing?
Oh and while I am at it, anyone remember the last mac laptop, pro or 
whatever, that still had line in line out and headphone jacks?  I know it 
may go back a bit, but for me the presence of the jacks are important.

Kare


On Wed, 18 May 2016, Tim Kilburn wrote:


Hi,

The newer MacBook Pros aren't particularly heavy either.  The older models with 
the spinning drive were considerably more heavy, but these new Retina units 
with SSD's are a lot nicer to cart around.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On May 18, 2016, at 14:58, Cris Ali <filasti...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Thanks for all of your replies folks,
It is extremely hard to decide, since with the increase of ram and storage on 
the air would bring the price of the air up to relatively become the same as 
the pro.  I liked the air because of their slim light weight form, however, 
since I do not carry my laptop that often outside my home, I am not sure that 
the light weight will be a determining factor.
I will have to struggle with making the decision for few days then just make a 
pick.

Cheers,

Cris

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Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2016 12:30 PM
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Subject: Re: What shall I get? Any recommendations?

This is clearly dependent on what your needs are, and the answer is different 
based on who you ask.

I concur with those suggesting the Air.  The single-port MacBook has a strong 
probability of near-term obsolescence.  Then again, the Air is probably due for 
obsolescence by the same MacBook, so you’re buying for specs, not style.  The 
upside there is that the cost is lower, but the downside is you’ll still pay 
more for bumping the specs all the way up, which I strongly suggest you do.

But, I was one of those who went from an Air to a Pro.  Especially if you want 
to do lots of virtualisation, the Pro really comes into its own.  With a 
quad-core processor and up to 16 GB of RAM, it really helps.  If you only run 
one OS at a time, though, an Air ought to be fine.

Don’t forget the Mac Mini.  It’s a small-form-factor desktop computer.  If 
you’re only buying for portability, this is an option.

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Re: What shall I get? Any recommendations?

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

The newer MacBook Pros aren't particularly heavy either.  The older models with 
the spinning drive were considerably more heavy, but these new Retina units 
with SSD's are a lot nicer to cart around.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On May 18, 2016, at 14:58, Cris Ali <filasti...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Thanks for all of your replies folks,
It is extremely hard to decide, since with the increase of ram and storage on 
the air would bring the price of the air up to relatively become the same as 
the pro.  I liked the air because of their slim light weight form, however, 
since I do not carry my laptop that often outside my home, I am not sure that 
the light weight will be a determining factor. 
I will have to struggle with making the decision for few days then just make a 
pick.

Cheers,

Cris

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Subject: Re: What shall I get? Any recommendations?

This is clearly dependent on what your needs are, and the answer is different 
based on who you ask.

I concur with those suggesting the Air.  The single-port MacBook has a strong 
probability of near-term obsolescence.  Then again, the Air is probably due for 
obsolescence by the same MacBook, so you’re buying for specs, not style.  The 
upside there is that the cost is lower, but the downside is you’ll still pay 
more for bumping the specs all the way up, which I strongly suggest you do.

But, I was one of those who went from an Air to a Pro.  Especially if you want 
to do lots of virtualisation, the Pro really comes into its own.  With a 
quad-core processor and up to 16 GB of RAM, it really helps.  If you only run 
one OS at a time, though, an Air ought to be fine.

Don’t forget the Mac Mini.  It’s a small-form-factor desktop computer.  If 
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RE: What shall I get? Any recommendations?

[Cris Ali]

Thanks for all of your replies folks,
It is extremely hard to decide, since with the increase of ram and storage on 
the air would bring the price of the air up to relatively become the same as 
the pro.  I liked the air because of their slim light weight form, however, 
since I do not carry my laptop that often outside my home, I am not sure that 
the light weight will be a determining factor. 
I will have to struggle with making the decision for few days then just make a 
pick.

Cheers,

Cris

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Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2016 12:30 PM
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Subject: Re: What shall I get? Any recommendations?

This is clearly dependent on what your needs are, and the answer is different 
based on who you ask.

I concur with those suggesting the Air.  The single-port MacBook has a strong 
probability of near-term obsolescence.  Then again, the Air is probably due for 
obsolescence by the same MacBook, so you’re buying for specs, not style.  The 
upside there is that the cost is lower, but the downside is you’ll still pay 
more for bumping the specs all the way up, which I strongly suggest you do.

But, I was one of those who went from an Air to a Pro.  Especially if you want 
to do lots of virtualisation, the Pro really comes into its own.  With a 
quad-core processor and up to 16 GB of RAM, it really helps.  If you only run 
one OS at a time, though, an Air ought to be fine.

Don’t forget the Mac Mini.  It’s a small-form-factor desktop computer.  If 
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Re: What shall I get? Any recommendations?

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

This is clearly dependent on what your needs are, and the answer is different 
based on who you ask.

I concur with those suggesting the Air.  The single-port MacBook has a strong 
probability of near-term obsolescence.  Then again, the Air is probably due for 
obsolescence by the same MacBook, so you’re buying for specs, not style.  The 
upside there is that the cost is lower, but the downside is you’ll still pay 
more for bumping the specs all the way up, which I strongly suggest you do.

But, I was one of those who went from an Air to a Pro.  Especially if you want 
to do lots of virtualisation, the Pro really comes into its own.  With a 
quad-core processor and up to 16 GB of RAM, it really helps.  If you only run 
one OS at a time, though, an Air ought to be fine.

Don’t forget the Mac Mini.  It’s a small-form-factor desktop computer.  If 
you’re only buying for portability, this is an option.

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Re: What shall I get? Any recommendations?

[Scott Granados]

Your air will run windows under VM fusion.  you have the I7 processor which 
will help and you could assign 2GB or less to the virtual machine and it should 
work fairly well.  If I were to buy a new air I’d max it out not just for 
windows but because once you buy it it’s a fixed configuration you can’t update.

Good luck.

> On May 18, 2016, at 11:14 AM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
> 
> ;) I’m not really in the market for a new Mac laptop, but I’m following this 
> discussion with interest.  Something y’all said that grabbed my attention, is 
> running windows on the Air.  This surprised me.  What specs on an Air would 
> you recommend to seamlessly run Windows?
> 
> I have an Mid 2011 MBA.  1.8 GHz Intel Core i7, 4 GB 1333 MHz DDR3, Intel HD 
> Graphics 3000 384 MB.  Even if those specs were good enough, I’d run into a 
> storage problem.  Regretfully, I only went for the 128gb SSD.  ;)  Who new 5 
> years ago, I'd completely love the Mac experience.
> 
> Good luck with your new purchase.
> 
> Traci
> 
>> On May 18, 2016, at 6:22 AM, Scott Granados > > wrote:
>> 
>> I received both an email alerting me of the new notebooks and then like I 
>> said when in best buy the other day the guy pointed it out.  Hope you find 
>> something good.
>> 
>> Don’t worry about the divorce btw, swap him out for a Mac lover. haha
>> 
>> Good luck
>> 
>>> On May 18, 2016, at 9:18 AM, Donna Goodin >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Uh-oh!  I'm soo in trouble.  OK, if I end up in divorce court, it's 
>>> your fault. :)
>>> 
>>> Have to go check out the new models.  I assumed they wouldn't be out till 
>>> after WWDC.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
 On May 18, 2016, at 8:15 AM, Scott Granados > wrote:
 
 Donna, not sure if you mean the generation after this one but the new 
 laptops just hit the market which is why I’m heading down this road.  So 
 if you’re holding out for the6th Gen hardware, it’s out.:)
 
> On May 18, 2016, at 9:11 AM, Donna Goodin  > wrote:
> 
> Yeah, I know what you mean.  I don't know what I'd do if the Air and the 
> Pro were the same price (I'm going to wait till the next gen comes out, 
> so they probably won't be then.)  I find that the Air really meets my 
> needs just fine, so I'm not sure I'd choose the bigger, heavier Machine.  
> Especially now that the 11-inch Pro is no longer an option.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On May 18, 2016, at 8:03 AM, Scott Granados > > wrote:
>> 
>> I find this interesting, I was thinking of refreshing my laptops as well 
>> and was looking at that air.  They had a pro for the same price though 
>> so I’m having a hard time justifying the air but boy I’m with you I like 
>> the super thin form factor.  Especially with the recent refresh of the 
>> MacBooks, that 6th generation Intel stuff is looking interesting.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 18, 2016, at 7:46 AM, Donna Goodin >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Cris,
>>> 
>>> the MacBook Air would be my recommendation.  It's light and small, very 
>>> easy to carry around.  It's plenty fast for browsing the web.  I've had 
>>> my Air since 2013.  I may replace it this year or next, but as much as 
>>> anything that's because I like new toys. :)  It is in no way obsolete.  
>>> I did however, spend the extra money to max out the specs.  One thing 
>>> about the air is that what you buy is what you will have for the rest 
>>> of the life of the computer.  So the time to add extra storage or 
>>> memory, is when you purchase the unit.  I started out on a MacBook Pro, 
>>> but have been very happy having switched to the Air.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
 On May 18, 2016, at 6:33 AM, Cris Ali > wrote:
 
 Hello Folks,
 I have never used the OSX system before.  I have always been a windows 
 user. However, now is the time for me to buy a new laptop. I decided 
 to give the apple mac a try.
 I do not know what apple laptop to buy. I am looking for a machine 
 powerful enough to keep for a number of years without getting obsolete 
 so fast.  But I do not want it to be outrageously expensive either.  I 
 also want it to have enough ram and storage to support the 
 installation of windows to use during the transition period. I also 
 want it to be fast enough, not to drive me crazy each time I browse 
 the web.
 Any recommendations will be appreciated.
 Regards,
 Cris
 
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Re: What shall I get? Any recommendations?

[Traci Duncan]

;) I’m not really in the market for a new Mac laptop, but I’m following this 
discussion with interest.  Something y’all said that grabbed my attention, is 
running windows on the Air.  This surprised me.  What specs on an Air would you 
recommend to seamlessly run Windows?

I have an Mid 2011 MBA.  1.8 GHz Intel Core i7, 4 GB 1333 MHz DDR3, Intel HD 
Graphics 3000 384 MB.  Even if those specs were good enough, I’d run into a 
storage problem.  Regretfully, I only went for the 128gb SSD.  ;)  Who new 5 
years ago, I'd completely love the Mac experience.

Good luck with your new purchase.

Traci

> On May 18, 2016, at 6:22 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> I received both an email alerting me of the new notebooks and then like I 
> said when in best buy the other day the guy pointed it out.  Hope you find 
> something good.
> 
> Don’t worry about the divorce btw, swap him out for a Mac lover. haha
> 
> Good luck
> 
>> On May 18, 2016, at 9:18 AM, Donna Goodin > > wrote:
>> 
>> Uh-oh!  I'm soo in trouble.  OK, if I end up in divorce court, it's your 
>> fault. :)
>> 
>> Have to go check out the new models.  I assumed they wouldn't be out till 
>> after WWDC.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On May 18, 2016, at 8:15 AM, Scott Granados >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Donna, not sure if you mean the generation after this one but the new 
>>> laptops just hit the market which is why I’m heading down this road.  So if 
>>> you’re holding out for the6th Gen hardware, it’s out.:)
>>> 
 On May 18, 2016, at 9:11 AM, Donna Goodin > wrote:
 
 Yeah, I know what you mean.  I don't know what I'd do if the Air and the 
 Pro were the same price (I'm going to wait till the next gen comes out, so 
 they probably won't be then.)  I find that the Air really meets my needs 
 just fine, so I'm not sure I'd choose the bigger, heavier Machine.  
 Especially now that the 11-inch Pro is no longer an option.
 Cheers,
 Donna
> On May 18, 2016, at 8:03 AM, Scott Granados  > wrote:
> 
> I find this interesting, I was thinking of refreshing my laptops as well 
> and was looking at that air.  They had a pro for the same price though so 
> I’m having a hard time justifying the air but boy I’m with you I like the 
> super thin form factor.  Especially with the recent refresh of the 
> MacBooks, that 6th generation Intel stuff is looking interesting.
> 
> 
> 
>> On May 18, 2016, at 7:46 AM, Donna Goodin > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Cris,
>> 
>> the MacBook Air would be my recommendation.  It's light and small, very 
>> easy to carry around.  It's plenty fast for browsing the web.  I've had 
>> my Air since 2013.  I may replace it this year or next, but as much as 
>> anything that's because I like new toys. :)  It is in no way obsolete.  
>> I did however, spend the extra money to max out the specs.  One thing 
>> about the air is that what you buy is what you will have for the rest of 
>> the life of the computer.  So the time to add extra storage or memory, 
>> is when you purchase the unit.  I started out on a MacBook Pro, but have 
>> been very happy having switched to the Air.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On May 18, 2016, at 6:33 AM, Cris Ali >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Folks,
>>> I have never used the OSX system before.  I have always been a windows 
>>> user. However, now is the time for me to buy a new laptop. I decided to 
>>> give the apple mac a try.
>>> I do not know what apple laptop to buy. I am looking for a machine 
>>> powerful enough to keep for a number of years without getting obsolete 
>>> so fast.  But I do not want it to be outrageously expensive either.  I 
>>> also want it to have enough ram and storage to support the installation 
>>> of windows to use during the transition period. I also want it to be 
>>> fast enough, not to drive me crazy each time I browse the web.
>>> Any recommendations will be appreciated.
>>> Regards,
>>> Cris
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Re: What shall I get? Any recommendations?

[Scott Granados]

I received both an email alerting me of the new notebooks and then like I said 
when in best buy the other day the guy pointed it out.  Hope you find something 
good.

Don’t worry about the divorce btw, swap him out for a Mac lover. haha

Good luck

> On May 18, 2016, at 9:18 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Uh-oh!  I'm soo in trouble.  OK, if I end up in divorce court, it's your 
> fault. :)
> 
> Have to go check out the new models.  I assumed they wouldn't be out till 
> after WWDC.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On May 18, 2016, at 8:15 AM, Scott Granados > > wrote:
>> 
>> Donna, not sure if you mean the generation after this one but the new 
>> laptops just hit the market which is why I’m heading down this road.  So if 
>> you’re holding out for the6th Gen hardware, it’s out.:)
>> 
>>> On May 18, 2016, at 9:11 AM, Donna Goodin >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yeah, I know what you mean.  I don't know what I'd do if the Air and the 
>>> Pro were the same price (I'm going to wait till the next gen comes out, so 
>>> they probably won't be then.)  I find that the Air really meets my needs 
>>> just fine, so I'm not sure I'd choose the bigger, heavier Machine.  
>>> Especially now that the 11-inch Pro is no longer an option.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
 On May 18, 2016, at 8:03 AM, Scott Granados > wrote:
 
 I find this interesting, I was thinking of refreshing my laptops as well 
 and was looking at that air.  They had a pro for the same price though so 
 I’m having a hard time justifying the air but boy I’m with you I like the 
 super thin form factor.  Especially with the recent refresh of the 
 MacBooks, that 6th generation Intel stuff is looking interesting.
 
 
 
> On May 18, 2016, at 7:46 AM, Donna Goodin  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Cris,
> 
> the MacBook Air would be my recommendation.  It's light and small, very 
> easy to carry around.  It's plenty fast for browsing the web.  I've had 
> my Air since 2013.  I may replace it this year or next, but as much as 
> anything that's because I like new toys. :)  It is in no way obsolete.  I 
> did however, spend the extra money to max out the specs.  One thing about 
> the air is that what you buy is what you will have for the rest of the 
> life of the computer.  So the time to add extra storage or memory, is 
> when you purchase the unit.  I started out on a MacBook Pro, but have 
> been very happy having switched to the Air.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On May 18, 2016, at 6:33 AM, Cris Ali > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Folks,
>> I have never used the OSX system before.  I have always been a windows 
>> user. However, now is the time for me to buy a new laptop. I decided to 
>> give the apple mac a try.
>> I do not know what apple laptop to buy. I am looking for a machine 
>> powerful enough to keep for a number of years without getting obsolete 
>> so fast.  But I do not want it to be outrageously expensive either.  I 
>> also want it to have enough ram and storage to support the installation 
>> of windows to use during the transition period. I also want it to be 
>> fast enough, not to drive me crazy each time I browse the web.
>> Any recommendations will be appreciated.
>> Regards,
>> Cris
>> 
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Re: What shall I get? Any recommendations?

[Caitlyn Furness]

thanks!

Cait

> On May 18, 2016, at 9:07 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi Cait,
> 
> Mostly the form factor.  I find the Air to be fast enough for my needs, so 
> prefer the smaller, lighter unit.
> 
> I agree about the missing control key.  I also wish Mac laptop keyboards had 
> Home and End Keys  - I find those keystrokes ridiculously impossible to 
> perform.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On May 18, 2016, at 8:01 AM, Caitlyn Furness > > wrote:
>> 
>> donna,
>> What do you like about the air over the pro??
>> 
>> Just wondering.  I myself own a macbook air, with maxed out specs, and I 
>> love the thing!  I do miss the control key on the right, though, sometimes, 
>> but none of the apple laptops have that, so I’ve just gotten used to not 
>> having it..
>> 
>> Cait
>> 
>>> On May 18, 2016, at 7:46 AM, Donna Goodin >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Cris,
>>> 
>>> the MacBook Air would be my recommendation.  It's light and small, very 
>>> easy to carry around.  It's plenty fast for browsing the web.  I've had my 
>>> Air since 2013.  I may replace it this year or next, but as much as 
>>> anything that's because I like new toys. :)  It is in no way obsolete.  I 
>>> did however, spend the extra money to max out the specs.  One thing about 
>>> the air is that what you buy is what you will have for the rest of the life 
>>> of the computer.  So the time to add extra storage or memory, is when you 
>>> purchase the unit.  I started out on a MacBook Pro, but have been very 
>>> happy having switched to the Air.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
 On May 18, 2016, at 6:33 AM, Cris Ali > wrote:
 
 Hello Folks,
 I have never used the OSX system before.  I have always been a windows 
 user. However, now is the time for me to buy a new laptop. I decided to 
 give the apple mac a try.
 I do not know what apple laptop to buy. I am looking for a machine 
 powerful enough to keep for a number of years without getting obsolete so 
 fast.  But I do not want it to be outrageously expensive either.  I also 
 want it to have enough ram and storage to support the installation of 
 windows to use during the transition period. I also want it to be fast 
 enough, not to drive me crazy each time I browse the web.
 Any recommendations will be appreciated.
 Regards,
 Cris
 
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Re: What shall I get? Any recommendations?

[Donna Goodin]

Uh-oh!  I'm soo in trouble.  OK, if I end up in divorce court, it's your 
fault. :)

Have to go check out the new models.  I assumed they wouldn't be out till after 
WWDC.
Cheers,
Donna
> On May 18, 2016, at 8:15 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Donna, not sure if you mean the generation after this one but the new laptops 
> just hit the market which is why I’m heading down this road.  So if you’re 
> holding out for the6th Gen hardware, it’s out.:)
> 
>> On May 18, 2016, at 9:11 AM, Donna Goodin > > wrote:
>> 
>> Yeah, I know what you mean.  I don't know what I'd do if the Air and the Pro 
>> were the same price (I'm going to wait till the next gen comes out, so they 
>> probably won't be then.)  I find that the Air really meets my needs just 
>> fine, so I'm not sure I'd choose the bigger, heavier Machine.  Especially 
>> now that the 11-inch Pro is no longer an option.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On May 18, 2016, at 8:03 AM, Scott Granados >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I find this interesting, I was thinking of refreshing my laptops as well 
>>> and was looking at that air.  They had a pro for the same price though so 
>>> I’m having a hard time justifying the air but boy I’m with you I like the 
>>> super thin form factor.  Especially with the recent refresh of the 
>>> MacBooks, that 6th generation Intel stuff is looking interesting.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On May 18, 2016, at 7:46 AM, Donna Goodin > wrote:
 
 Hi Cris,
 
 the MacBook Air would be my recommendation.  It's light and small, very 
 easy to carry around.  It's plenty fast for browsing the web.  I've had my 
 Air since 2013.  I may replace it this year or next, but as much as 
 anything that's because I like new toys. :)  It is in no way obsolete.  I 
 did however, spend the extra money to max out the specs.  One thing about 
 the air is that what you buy is what you will have for the rest of the 
 life of the computer.  So the time to add extra storage or memory, is when 
 you purchase the unit.  I started out on a MacBook Pro, but have been very 
 happy having switched to the Air.
 Cheers,
 Donna
 
> On May 18, 2016, at 6:33 AM, Cris Ali  > wrote:
> 
> Hello Folks,
> I have never used the OSX system before.  I have always been a windows 
> user. However, now is the time for me to buy a new laptop. I decided to 
> give the apple mac a try.
> I do not know what apple laptop to buy. I am looking for a machine 
> powerful enough to keep for a number of years without getting obsolete so 
> fast.  But I do not want it to be outrageously expensive either.  I also 
> want it to have enough ram and storage to support the installation of 
> windows to use during the transition period. I also want it to be fast 
> enough, not to drive me crazy each time I browse the web.
> Any recommendations will be appreciated.
> Regards,
> Cris
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Re: What shall I get? Any recommendations?

[Scott Granados]

Donna, not sure if you mean the generation after this one but the new laptops 
just hit the market which is why I’m heading down this road.  So if you’re 
holding out for the6th Gen hardware, it’s out.:)

> On May 18, 2016, at 9:11 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Yeah, I know what you mean.  I don't know what I'd do if the Air and the Pro 
> were the same price (I'm going to wait till the next gen comes out, so they 
> probably won't be then.)  I find that the Air really meets my needs just 
> fine, so I'm not sure I'd choose the bigger, heavier Machine.  Especially now 
> that the 11-inch Pro is no longer an option.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On May 18, 2016, at 8:03 AM, Scott Granados > > wrote:
>> 
>> I find this interesting, I was thinking of refreshing my laptops as well and 
>> was looking at that air.  They had a pro for the same price though so I’m 
>> having a hard time justifying the air but boy I’m with you I like the super 
>> thin form factor.  Especially with the recent refresh of the MacBooks, that 
>> 6th generation Intel stuff is looking interesting.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 18, 2016, at 7:46 AM, Donna Goodin >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Cris,
>>> 
>>> the MacBook Air would be my recommendation.  It's light and small, very 
>>> easy to carry around.  It's plenty fast for browsing the web.  I've had my 
>>> Air since 2013.  I may replace it this year or next, but as much as 
>>> anything that's because I like new toys. :)  It is in no way obsolete.  I 
>>> did however, spend the extra money to max out the specs.  One thing about 
>>> the air is that what you buy is what you will have for the rest of the life 
>>> of the computer.  So the time to add extra storage or memory, is when you 
>>> purchase the unit.  I started out on a MacBook Pro, but have been very 
>>> happy having switched to the Air.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
 On May 18, 2016, at 6:33 AM, Cris Ali > wrote:
 
 Hello Folks,
 I have never used the OSX system before.  I have always been a windows 
 user. However, now is the time for me to buy a new laptop. I decided to 
 give the apple mac a try.
 I do not know what apple laptop to buy. I am looking for a machine 
 powerful enough to keep for a number of years without getting obsolete so 
 fast.  But I do not want it to be outrageously expensive either.  I also 
 want it to have enough ram and storage to support the installation of 
 windows to use during the transition period. I also want it to be fast 
 enough, not to drive me crazy each time I browse the web.
 Any recommendations will be appreciated.
 Regards,
 Cris
 
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Re: What shall I get? Any recommendations?

[Donna Goodin]

Yeah, I know what you mean.  I don't know what I'd do if the Air and the Pro 
were the same price (I'm going to wait till the next gen comes out, so they 
probably won't be then.)  I find that the Air really meets my needs just fine, 
so I'm not sure I'd choose the bigger, heavier Machine.  Especially now that 
the 11-inch Pro is no longer an option.
Cheers,
Donna
> On May 18, 2016, at 8:03 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> I find this interesting, I was thinking of refreshing my laptops as well and 
> was looking at that air.  They had a pro for the same price though so I’m 
> having a hard time justifying the air but boy I’m with you I like the super 
> thin form factor.  Especially with the recent refresh of the MacBooks, that 
> 6th generation Intel stuff is looking interesting.
> 
> 
> 
>> On May 18, 2016, at 7:46 AM, Donna Goodin > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Cris,
>> 
>> the MacBook Air would be my recommendation.  It's light and small, very easy 
>> to carry around.  It's plenty fast for browsing the web.  I've had my Air 
>> since 2013.  I may replace it this year or next, but as much as anything 
>> that's because I like new toys. :)  It is in no way obsolete.  I did 
>> however, spend the extra money to max out the specs.  One thing about the 
>> air is that what you buy is what you will have for the rest of the life of 
>> the computer.  So the time to add extra storage or memory, is when you 
>> purchase the unit.  I started out on a MacBook Pro, but have been very happy 
>> having switched to the Air.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On May 18, 2016, at 6:33 AM, Cris Ali >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Folks,
>>> I have never used the OSX system before.  I have always been a windows 
>>> user. However, now is the time for me to buy a new laptop. I decided to 
>>> give the apple mac a try.
>>> I do not know what apple laptop to buy. I am looking for a machine powerful 
>>> enough to keep for a number of years without getting obsolete so fast.  But 
>>> I do not want it to be outrageously expensive either.  I also want it to 
>>> have enough ram and storage to support the installation of windows to use 
>>> during the transition period. I also want it to be fast enough, not to 
>>> drive me crazy each time I browse the web.
>>> Any recommendations will be appreciated.
>>> Regards,
>>> Cris
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Re: What shall I get? Any recommendations?

[Donna Goodin]

Hi Cait,

Mostly the form factor.  I find the Air to be fast enough for my needs, so 
prefer the smaller, lighter unit.

I agree about the missing control key.  I also wish Mac laptop keyboards had 
Home and End Keys  - I find those keystrokes ridiculously impossible to perform.
Cheers,
Donna


> On May 18, 2016, at 8:01 AM, Caitlyn Furness  
> wrote:
> 
> donna,
> What do you like about the air over the pro??
> 
> Just wondering.  I myself own a macbook air, with maxed out specs, and I love 
> the thing!  I do miss the control key on the right, though, sometimes, but 
> none of the apple laptops have that, so I’ve just gotten used to not having 
> it..
> 
> Cait
> 
>> On May 18, 2016, at 7:46 AM, Donna Goodin > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Cris,
>> 
>> the MacBook Air would be my recommendation.  It's light and small, very easy 
>> to carry around.  It's plenty fast for browsing the web.  I've had my Air 
>> since 2013.  I may replace it this year or next, but as much as anything 
>> that's because I like new toys. :)  It is in no way obsolete.  I did 
>> however, spend the extra money to max out the specs.  One thing about the 
>> air is that what you buy is what you will have for the rest of the life of 
>> the computer.  So the time to add extra storage or memory, is when you 
>> purchase the unit.  I started out on a MacBook Pro, but have been very happy 
>> having switched to the Air.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On May 18, 2016, at 6:33 AM, Cris Ali >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Folks,
>>> I have never used the OSX system before.  I have always been a windows 
>>> user. However, now is the time for me to buy a new laptop. I decided to 
>>> give the apple mac a try.
>>> I do not know what apple laptop to buy. I am looking for a machine powerful 
>>> enough to keep for a number of years without getting obsolete so fast.  But 
>>> I do not want it to be outrageously expensive either.  I also want it to 
>>> have enough ram and storage to support the installation of windows to use 
>>> during the transition period. I also want it to be fast enough, not to 
>>> drive me crazy each time I browse the web.
>>> Any recommendations will be appreciated.
>>> Regards,
>>> Cris
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Re: What shall I get? Any recommendations?

[Donna Goodin]

Hey Scott,

One caveat I would add here is that it depends on how important portability is. 
 the Air is much nicer to carry around, especially if you're also hauling a 
braille display.  Just something to consider.  I chose the Air over the Pro for 
its portability, not due to cost.
Cheers,
Donna
> On May 18, 2016, at 8:01 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> So I’m not sure what country you’re in or store options you have, Best Buy in 
> the US is running laptop deals right now and I think it’s $100 or more off 
> Apple Laptops.
> 
> That aside, with your requirement I’d probably go with an Apple Macbook pro 
> and you could go with a 13 inch model to save on the cost if you wanted.  
> There are both i5 and i7 options for processors so you could spend as much as 
> you wanted there, memory options and all SSD.  The air is a bit less 
> expensive but when in best buy the other day they had an air and a pro at the 
> exact same price so with all things equal I’d go with a pro model.
>   I would also budget $100 or so for VMWare fusion for running that 
> windows instance on top of OS X.  It’s in my mind preferable to boot camp 
> since you have both options at the same time, others may disagree.
> 
> That’s my suggestion.
> 
> Good luck and let us know what you decide.
> 
>> On May 18, 2016, at 7:33 AM, Cris Ali > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Folks,
>> I have never used the OSX system before.  I have always been a windows user. 
>> However, now is the time for me to buy a new laptop. I decided to give the 
>> apple mac a try.
>> I do not know what apple laptop to buy. I am looking for a machine powerful 
>> enough to keep for a number of years without getting obsolete so fast.  But 
>> I do not want it to be outrageously expensive either.  I also want it to 
>> have enough ram and storage to support the installation of windows to use 
>> during the transition period. I also want it to be fast enough, not to drive 
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>> Any recommendations will be appreciated.
>> Regards,
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Re: What shall I get? Any recommendations?

[Scott Granados]

I find this interesting, I was thinking of refreshing my laptops as well and 
was looking at that air.  They had a pro for the same price though so I’m 
having a hard time justifying the air but boy I’m with you I like the super 
thin form factor.  Especially with the recent refresh of the MacBooks, that 6th 
generation Intel stuff is looking interesting.



> On May 18, 2016, at 7:46 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi Cris,
> 
> the MacBook Air would be my recommendation.  It's light and small, very easy 
> to carry around.  It's plenty fast for browsing the web.  I've had my Air 
> since 2013.  I may replace it this year or next, but as much as anything 
> that's because I like new toys. :)  It is in no way obsolete.  I did however, 
> spend the extra money to max out the specs.  One thing about the air is that 
> what you buy is what you will have for the rest of the life of the computer.  
> So the time to add extra storage or memory, is when you purchase the unit.  I 
> started out on a MacBook Pro, but have been very happy having switched to the 
> Air.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On May 18, 2016, at 6:33 AM, Cris Ali > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Folks,
>> I have never used the OSX system before.  I have always been a windows user. 
>> However, now is the time for me to buy a new laptop. I decided to give the 
>> apple mac a try.
>> I do not know what apple laptop to buy. I am looking for a machine powerful 
>> enough to keep for a number of years without getting obsolete so fast.  But 
>> I do not want it to be outrageously expensive either.  I also want it to 
>> have enough ram and storage to support the installation of windows to use 
>> during the transition period. I also want it to be fast enough, not to drive 
>> me crazy each time I browse the web.
>> Any recommendations will be appreciated.
>> Regards,
>> Cris
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Re: What shall I get? Any recommendations?

[Scott Granados]

So I’m not sure what country you’re in or store options you have, Best Buy in 
the US is running laptop deals right now and I think it’s $100 or more off 
Apple Laptops.

That aside, with your requirement I’d probably go with an Apple Macbook pro and 
you could go with a 13 inch model to save on the cost if you wanted.  There are 
both i5 and i7 options for processors so you could spend as much as you wanted 
there, memory options and all SSD.  The air is a bit less expensive but when in 
best buy the other day they had an air and a pro at the exact same price so 
with all things equal I’d go with a pro model.
I would also budget $100 or so for VMWare fusion for running that 
windows instance on top of OS X.  It’s in my mind preferable to boot camp since 
you have both options at the same time, others may disagree.

That’s my suggestion.

Good luck and let us know what you decide.

> On May 18, 2016, at 7:33 AM, Cris Ali  wrote:
> 
> Hello Folks,
> I have never used the OSX system before.  I have always been a windows user. 
> However, now is the time for me to buy a new laptop. I decided to give the 
> apple mac a try.
> I do not know what apple laptop to buy. I am looking for a machine powerful 
> enough to keep for a number of years without getting obsolete so fast.  But I 
> do not want it to be outrageously expensive either.  I also want it to have 
> enough ram and storage to support the installation of windows to use during 
> the transition period. I also want it to be fast enough, not to drive me 
> crazy each time I browse the web.
> Any recommendations will be appreciated.
> Regards,
> Cris
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Re: What shall I get? Any recommendations?

[Caitlyn Furness]

donna,
What do you like about the air over the pro??

Just wondering.  I myself own a macbook air, with maxed out specs, and I love 
the thing!  I do miss the control key on the right, though, sometimes, but none 
of the apple laptops have that, so I’ve just gotten used to not having it..

Cait

> On May 18, 2016, at 7:46 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi Cris,
> 
> the MacBook Air would be my recommendation.  It's light and small, very easy 
> to carry around.  It's plenty fast for browsing the web.  I've had my Air 
> since 2013.  I may replace it this year or next, but as much as anything 
> that's because I like new toys. :)  It is in no way obsolete.  I did however, 
> spend the extra money to max out the specs.  One thing about the air is that 
> what you buy is what you will have for the rest of the life of the computer.  
> So the time to add extra storage or memory, is when you purchase the unit.  I 
> started out on a MacBook Pro, but have been very happy having switched to the 
> Air.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On May 18, 2016, at 6:33 AM, Cris Ali > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Folks,
>> I have never used the OSX system before.  I have always been a windows user. 
>> However, now is the time for me to buy a new laptop. I decided to give the 
>> apple mac a try.
>> I do not know what apple laptop to buy. I am looking for a machine powerful 
>> enough to keep for a number of years without getting obsolete so fast.  But 
>> I do not want it to be outrageously expensive either.  I also want it to 
>> have enough ram and storage to support the installation of windows to use 
>> during the transition period. I also want it to be fast enough, not to drive 
>> me crazy each time I browse the web.
>> Any recommendations will be appreciated.
>> Regards,
>> Cris
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Re: What shall I get? Any recommendations?

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
A macbook air might be what you want.
Its not that pricey and has enough power to not drive you crazy in any case.
Get one with 8 gb ram and you’ll be fine.
/A
> On 18 May 2016, at 13:33, Cris Ali  wrote:
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> Hello Folks,
> I have never used the OSX system before.  I have always been a windows user. 
> However, now is the time for me to buy a new laptop. I decided to give the 
> apple mac a try.
> I do not know what apple laptop to buy. I am looking for a machine powerful 
> enough to keep for a number of years without getting obsolete so fast.  But I 
> do not want it to be outrageously expensive either.  I also want it to have 
> enough ram and storage to support the installation of windows to use during 
> the transition period. I also want it to be fast enough, not to drive me 
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> Any recommendations will be appreciated.
> Regards,
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Re: What shall I get? Any recommendations?

[Donna Goodin]

Hi Cris,

the MacBook Air would be my recommendation.  It's light and small, very easy to 
carry around.  It's plenty fast for browsing the web.  I've had my Air since 
2013.  I may replace it this year or next, but as much as anything that's 
because I like new toys. :)  It is in no way obsolete.  I did however, spend 
the extra money to max out the specs.  One thing about the air is that what you 
buy is what you will have for the rest of the life of the computer.  So the 
time to add extra storage or memory, is when you purchase the unit.  I started 
out on a MacBook Pro, but have been very happy having switched to the Air.
Cheers,
Donna

> On May 18, 2016, at 6:33 AM, Cris Ali  wrote:
> 
> Hello Folks,
> I have never used the OSX system before.  I have always been a windows user. 
> However, now is the time for me to buy a new laptop. I decided to give the 
> apple mac a try.
> I do not know what apple laptop to buy. I am looking for a machine powerful 
> enough to keep for a number of years without getting obsolete so fast.  But I 
> do not want it to be outrageously expensive either.  I also want it to have 
> enough ram and storage to support the installation of windows to use during 
> the transition period. I also want it to be fast enough, not to drive me 
> crazy each time I browse the web.
> Any recommendations will be appreciated.
> Regards,
> Cris
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