Re: Activity bug and Nuance voices was Re: advanced voice over?
Your email was read to me using Voice on the Go. Go to www.voiceonthego.com > Original Message: > - > > From: Tim Kilburn > Sent: August 21, 2014 1:08:08 PM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Activity bug and Nuance voices was Re: advanced voice over? > > Hi, > > I wonder if this has something to do with announcements. When using the > voice Alex, if you switch in or out of the app that you have an Activity > applied to, VO announces "VoiceOver Settings Activity along with a view other > App notes. If you use a different voice, non-Apple, then this phrase is not > announced but silence is not golden. Sometimes, if I press ctrl twice to > make VO be quiet, then this announcement/pause is eliminated or decreased. > > Later... > > Tim Kilburn > Fort McMurray, AB Canada > > On Aug 21, 2014, at 10:58 AM, Alex Hall wrote: > > > Most every voice is Nuance, yes. Alex is not, and the older voices (Fred, > > and the other old-style synthesizers) are not, but any you have to download > > are. Yes, the bug is present even if the activity does not change the voice > > in use. No, there is no workaround I know of; keep emailing > > accessibil...@apple.com and using www.apple.com/feedback. > > On Aug 21, 2014, at 12:15 PM, Christina C. wrote: > > > >> How do I know if it's a Nuance voice that I am using? Are they all Nuance > >> voices except for Alex and some of the low quality voices? I have surely > >> noticed that when I want to change voices it is a very sluggish process. I > >> usually just stick to Ava. I want to try activities. If I use the same > >> voice for all apps, will performance still be sluggish? Is there a work > >> around or do you just have to live with the sluggish behavior? > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Christina > >> > >> On Aug 21, 2014, at 2:05 AM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote: > >> > >>> Aha! Thanks Jonathan, I thought that performance bug with activities was > >>> just me, but evidently not. Yes, very annoying; put a complete damper on > >>> Nuance for me, since I have Safari automatically initiate my web > >>> activity, and of course Safari is almost always open which means simply > >>> pressing Vo D to get to the dock will produce an annoyingly long pause > >>> before I can do anything else. Sincerely hope it gets fixed and I'll > >>> dash off a note to Apple Accessibility about it now too. > >>> > >>> -- > >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > >>> "MacVisionaries" group. > >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > >>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > >> > >> -- > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > >> "MacVisionaries" group. > >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > > -- > > Have a great day, > > Alex Hall > > mehg...@icloud.com > > > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "MacVisionaries" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: advanced voice over?
Yes please do. I wrote to them and they asked to see my VoiceOver settings etc, as if no one had told them about it before. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 21/08/2014, at 8:05 pm, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote: > Aha! Thanks Jonathan, I thought that performance bug with activities was > just me, but evidently not. Yes, very annoying; put a complete damper on > Nuance for me, since I have Safari automatically initiate my web activity, > and of course Safari is almost always open which means simply pressing Vo D > to get to the dock will produce an annoyingly long pause before I can do > anything else. Sincerely hope it gets fixed and I'll dash off a note to > Apple Accessibility about it now too. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Activity bug and Nuance voices was Re: advanced voice over?
Hi, I wonder if this has something to do with announcements. When using the voice Alex, if you switch in or out of the app that you have an Activity applied to, VO announces "VoiceOver Settings Activity along with a view other App notes. If you use a different voice, non-Apple, then this phrase is not announced but silence is not golden. Sometimes, if I press ctrl twice to make VO be quiet, then this announcement/pause is eliminated or decreased. Later... Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada On Aug 21, 2014, at 10:58 AM, Alex Hall wrote: > Most every voice is Nuance, yes. Alex is not, and the older voices (Fred, and > the other old-style synthesizers) are not, but any you have to download are. > Yes, the bug is present even if the activity does not change the voice in > use. No, there is no workaround I know of; keep emailing > accessibil...@apple.com and using www.apple.com/feedback. > On Aug 21, 2014, at 12:15 PM, Christina C. wrote: > >> How do I know if it's a Nuance voice that I am using? Are they all Nuance >> voices except for Alex and some of the low quality voices? I have surely >> noticed that when I want to change voices it is a very sluggish process. I >> usually just stick to Ava. I want to try activities. If I use the same voice >> for all apps, will performance still be sluggish? Is there a work around or >> do you just have to live with the sluggish behavior? >> >> Thanks, >> Christina >> >> On Aug 21, 2014, at 2:05 AM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote: >> >>> Aha! Thanks Jonathan, I thought that performance bug with activities was >>> just me, but evidently not. Yes, very annoying; put a complete damper on >>> Nuance for me, since I have Safari automatically initiate my web activity, >>> and of course Safari is almost always open which means simply pressing Vo D >>> to get to the dock will produce an annoyingly long pause before I can do >>> anything else. Sincerely hope it gets fixed and I'll dash off a note to >>> Apple Accessibility about it now too. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > Have a great day, > Alex Hall > mehg...@icloud.com > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Activity bug and Nuance voices was Re: advanced voice over?
Most every voice is Nuance, yes. Alex is not, and the older voices (Fred, and the other old-style synthesizers) are not, but any you have to download are. Yes, the bug is present even if the activity does not change the voice in use. No, there is no workaround I know of; keep emailing accessibil...@apple.com and using www.apple.com/feedback. On Aug 21, 2014, at 12:15 PM, Christina C. wrote: > How do I know if it's a Nuance voice that I am using? Are they all Nuance > voices except for Alex and some of the low quality voices? I have surely > noticed that when I want to change voices it is a very sluggish process. I > usually just stick to Ava. I want to try activities. If I use the same voice > for all apps, will performance still be sluggish? Is there a work around or > do you just have to live with the sluggish behavior? > > Thanks, > Christina > > On Aug 21, 2014, at 2:05 AM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote: > >> Aha! Thanks Jonathan, I thought that performance bug with activities was >> just me, but evidently not. Yes, very annoying; put a complete damper on >> Nuance for me, since I have Safari automatically initiate my web activity, >> and of course Safari is almost always open which means simply pressing Vo D >> to get to the dock will produce an annoyingly long pause before I can do >> anything else. Sincerely hope it gets fixed and I'll dash off a note to >> Apple Accessibility about it now too. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Have a great day, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Activity bug and Nuance voices was Re: advanced voice over?
How do I know if it's a Nuance voice that I am using? Are they all Nuance voices except for Alex and some of the low quality voices? I have surely noticed that when I want to change voices it is a very sluggish process. I usually just stick to Ava. I want to try activities. If I use the same voice for all apps, will performance still be sluggish? Is there a work around or do you just have to live with the sluggish behavior? Thanks, Christina On Aug 21, 2014, at 2:05 AM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote: > Aha! Thanks Jonathan, I thought that performance bug with activities was > just me, but evidently not. Yes, very annoying; put a complete damper on > Nuance for me, since I have Safari automatically initiate my web activity, > and of course Safari is almost always open which means simply pressing Vo D > to get to the dock will produce an annoyingly long pause before I can do > anything else. Sincerely hope it gets fixed and I'll dash off a note to > Apple Accessibility about it now too. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: advanced voice over?
Aha! Thanks Jonathan, I thought that performance bug with activities was just me, but evidently not. Yes, very annoying; put a complete damper on Nuance for me, since I have Safari automatically initiate my web activity, and of course Safari is almost always open which means simply pressing Vo D to get to the dock will produce an annoyingly long pause before I can do anything else. Sincerely hope it gets fixed and I'll dash off a note to Apple Accessibility about it now too. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: advanced voice over?
Hi John, the trick is to create an activity for Night Owl so you have a unique series of hotspots for that app. Then locate the area where the character count is shown and assign that area to a hotspot. If you're like me and like pneumonics, reassign the hotkey for the hotspot to something logical. I have mine on the right Option key with C, for character count. Works a treat! Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 21/08/2014, at 2:32 pm, John D. Lipsey wrote: > Jonathan: > > This hot key to know how many characters are left in a tweet when in > YoruFukurou sounds like a dead useful feature. Having never created a hot > key for this, or any other purpose come to think of it, could you give me > some instructions on how I might accomplish this task? > > Thanks in advance. > > -John > On Aug 20, 2014, at 12:14, Jonathan Mosen wrote: > >> Yes I use an activity in Night Owl to give me a hot key to let me know how >> many characters I have remaining in a tweet, and to automatically speak when >> I change view, such as from Home to Mentions etc. >> I also use an activity to set verbosity to low in Mail, to get around the >> disclosure triangle Mail bug that was introduced with Mavericks. >> There is currently an unfortunate bug where if you use one of the Nuance >> voices, switching applications if an activity is involved takes a long time. >> This may be the performance issue Rachel was referring to. Hopefully this >> will be address in Yosemite as activities are really useful. >> Jonathan Mosen >> Mosen Consulting >> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training >> http://Mosen.org >> >> On 21/08/2014, at 5:25 am, Rachel Feinberg wrote: >> >>> Hi Pam, >>> >>> activities are a pretty neat feature. Let's say, in Safari, if you always >>> wanted quick nav to turn on when you went to the browser, you could set it >>> up so it would do so when you opened Safari, as an example. It's a way of >>> automating tasks so Voiceover can do some of the work, leaving you to be >>> more efficient. >>> I don't know if it still is, but I found that activities (at least using >>> the quick nav example) tended to slow Voiceover's performance, but the >>> principle is fantastic. >>> HTH, >>> Rachel. >>> On Aug 20, 2014, at 10:16 AM, Pamela Francis wrote: >>> Hello, This topic brings me to a question I have never had the courage to ask because I don't want to be considered stupid. What is the purpose in activities and how do you use them? I've never messed with it in the three years I've had my computer and don't understand what they're there for. If I remember correctly they are not addressed in the initial voiceover tutorial one can use when learning how to get around the Mac. Pam Francis On Aug 20, 2014, at 8:33 AM, Kliphton Senior wrote: Thanks for the few tips. I actually hate the track pad. But will do what you suggested! Kliphton (iMessage&Email) m.kliph...@gmail.com (Twitter&Skype) kliphton72 (Personal blog, read at your own risk!) http://kliphskorner.wordpress.com Sent from my iPhone On Aug 20, 2014, at 9:17 AM, Kayaker wrote: > Hi, > > So, you think you're ready to move up to the VO big leagues eh? > > I tend to go with self help. I often check out the VO-H command menus > reading the command descriptions to see what I can do. I also look in the > VO Utility application where you can assign actions to keys and see and > control verbosity. I was using VO before the trackpad commander, so I > tend to use the keyboard commands exclusively. If you are a trackpad > user, look into the commander functions, or the Numpad commander > functions, and use both keyboard and trackpad to your advantage. There's > a lot of customizations you can make within the VO Utility. > > I think my favorite command beyond the basics is simply the VO Shift C, > copy last phrase spoken to the clipboard. And the second most useful > command I tend to use is the move mouse cursor to voiceover cursor with > VO Command F5. I tend to use that for working around voiceover issues > with the contextual menus or a stubborn button that won't activate. So, > at that point I will use the mouse button like any sighted user would. > > Another fun game to play is to enable keyboard help, with VO K, and then > just hit keys with the VO controls down to hear what they do. Be sure to > use all the modifier combinations. > > And the other important thing is to ask the list if there is an easier > way to do something that annoys you. Odds are, there probably is, and > you'll get the answer here. > > Enjoy. > --K > Faith doesn't give you the answers, it merely stops you from asking the >>
Re: advanced voice over?
Jonathan: This hot key to know how many characters are left in a tweet when in YoruFukurou sounds like a dead useful feature. Having never created a hot key for this, or any other purpose come to think of it, could you give me some instructions on how I might accomplish this task? Thanks in advance. -John On Aug 20, 2014, at 12:14, Jonathan Mosen wrote: > Yes I use an activity in Night Owl to give me a hot key to let me know how > many characters I have remaining in a tweet, and to automatically speak when > I change view, such as from Home to Mentions etc. > I also use an activity to set verbosity to low in Mail, to get around the > disclosure triangle Mail bug that was introduced with Mavericks. > There is currently an unfortunate bug where if you use one of the Nuance > voices, switching applications if an activity is involved takes a long time. > This may be the performance issue Rachel was referring to. Hopefully this > will be address in Yosemite as activities are really useful. > Jonathan Mosen > Mosen Consulting > Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training > http://Mosen.org > > On 21/08/2014, at 5:25 am, Rachel Feinberg wrote: > >> Hi Pam, >> >> activities are a pretty neat feature. Let's say, in Safari, if you always >> wanted quick nav to turn on when you went to the browser, you could set it >> up so it would do so when you opened Safari, as an example. It's a way of >> automating tasks so Voiceover can do some of the work, leaving you to be >> more efficient. >> I don't know if it still is, but I found that activities (at least using the >> quick nav example) tended to slow Voiceover's performance, but the >> principle is fantastic. >> HTH, >> Rachel. >> On Aug 20, 2014, at 10:16 AM, Pamela Francis wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> This topic brings me to a question I have never had the courage to ask >>> because I don't want to be considered stupid. What is the purpose in >>> activities and how do you use them? I've never messed with it in the three >>> years I've had my computer and don't understand what they're there for. If >>> I remember correctly they are not addressed in the initial voiceover >>> tutorial one can use when learning how to get around the Mac. >>> >>> Pam Francis >>> >>> On Aug 20, 2014, at 8:33 AM, Kliphton Senior wrote: >>> >>> Thanks for the few tips. I actually hate the track pad. But will do what >>> you suggested! >>> >>> Kliphton >>> (iMessage&Email) m.kliph...@gmail.com >>> (Twitter&Skype) kliphton72 >>> (Personal blog, read at your own risk!) http://kliphskorner.wordpress.com >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Aug 20, 2014, at 9:17 AM, Kayaker wrote: >>> Hi, So, you think you're ready to move up to the VO big leagues eh? I tend to go with self help. I often check out the VO-H command menus reading the command descriptions to see what I can do. I also look in the VO Utility application where you can assign actions to keys and see and control verbosity. I was using VO before the trackpad commander, so I tend to use the keyboard commands exclusively. If you are a trackpad user, look into the commander functions, or the Numpad commander functions, and use both keyboard and trackpad to your advantage. There's a lot of customizations you can make within the VO Utility. I think my favorite command beyond the basics is simply the VO Shift C, copy last phrase spoken to the clipboard. And the second most useful command I tend to use is the move mouse cursor to voiceover cursor with VO Command F5. I tend to use that for working around voiceover issues with the contextual menus or a stubborn button that won't activate. So, at that point I will use the mouse button like any sighted user would. Another fun game to play is to enable keyboard help, with VO K, and then just hit keys with the VO controls down to hear what they do. Be sure to use all the modifier combinations. And the other important thing is to ask the list if there is an easier way to do something that annoys you. Odds are, there probably is, and you'll get the answer here. Enjoy. --K Faith doesn't give you the answers, it merely stops you from asking the questions. On Aug 20, 2014, at 8:38 AM, Kliphton Senior wrote: > So, now that everyone knows the basics, what are some advanced things > voice over users can learn? Where would we find documentation on this? > They have a lot of tutorials out there, but most of it is for the > beginner, what about the advanced user? > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email tomacvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com
Re: advanced voice over?
hi, to Pamela and others, there are not stupid questions only stupid answers. Or as we say on irc even we sometimes regret it , don't ask to ask just ask. :))) Sandi On 8/20/14, Jonathan Mosen wrote: > Yes I use an activity in Night Owl to give me a hot key to let me know how > many characters I have remaining in a tweet, and to automatically speak when > I change view, such as from Home to Mentions etc. > I also use an activity to set verbosity to low in Mail, to get around the > disclosure triangle Mail bug that was introduced with Mavericks. > There is currently an unfortunate bug where if you use one of the Nuance > voices, switching applications if an activity is involved takes a long time. > This may be the performance issue Rachel was referring to. Hopefully this > will be address in Yosemite as activities are really useful. > Jonathan Mosen > Mosen Consulting > Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training > http://Mosen.org > > On 21/08/2014, at 5:25 am, Rachel Feinberg wrote: > >> Hi Pam, >> >> activities are a pretty neat feature. Let's say, in Safari, if you always >> wanted quick nav to turn on when you went to the browser, you could set it >> up so it would do so when you opened Safari, as an example. It's a way of >> automating tasks so Voiceover can do some of the work, leaving you to be >> more efficient. >> I don't know if it still is, but I found that activities (at least using >> the quick nav example) tended to slow Voiceover's performance, but the >> principle is fantastic. >> HTH, >> Rachel. >> On Aug 20, 2014, at 10:16 AM, Pamela Francis >> wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> This topic brings me to a question I have never had the courage to ask >>> because I don't want to be considered stupid. What is the purpose in >>> activities and how do you use them? I've never messed with it in the >>> three years I've had my computer and don't understand what they're there >>> for. If I remember correctly they are not addressed in the initial >>> voiceover tutorial one can use when learning how to get around the Mac. >>> >>> >>> Pam Francis >>> >>> On Aug 20, 2014, at 8:33 AM, Kliphton Senior >>> wrote: >>> >>> Thanks for the few tips. I actually hate the track pad. But will do >>> what you suggested! >>> >>> Kliphton >>> (iMessage&Email) m.kliph...@gmail.com >>> (Twitter&Skype) kliphton72 >>> (Personal blog, read at your own risk!) >>> http://kliphskorner.wordpress.com >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Aug 20, 2014, at 9:17 AM, Kayaker wrote: >>> Hi, So, you think you're ready to move up to the VO big leagues eh? I tend to go with self help. I often check out the VO-H command menus reading the command descriptions to see what I can do. I also look in the VO Utility application where you can assign actions to keys and see and control verbosity. I was using VO before the trackpad commander, so I tend to use the keyboard commands exclusively. If you are a trackpad user, look into the commander functions, or the Numpad commander functions, and use both keyboard and trackpad to your advantage. There's a lot of customizations you can make within the VO Utility. I think my favorite command beyond the basics is simply the VO Shift C, copy last phrase spoken to the clipboard. And the second most useful command I tend to use is the move mouse cursor to voiceover cursor with VO Command F5. I tend to use that for working around voiceover issues with the contextual menus or a stubborn button that won't activate. So, at that point I will use the mouse button like any sighted user would. Another fun game to play is to enable keyboard help, with VO K, and then just hit keys with the VO controls down to hear what they do. Be sure to use all the modifier combinations. And the other important thing is to ask the list if there is an easier way to do something that annoys you. Odds are, there probably is, and you'll get the answer here. Enjoy. --K Faith doesn't give you the answers, it merely stops you from asking the questions. On Aug 20, 2014, at 8:38 AM, Kliphton Senior wrote: > So, now that everyone knows the basics, what are some advanced things > voice over users can learn? Where would we find documentation on this? > They have a lot of tutorials out there, but most of it is for the > beginner, what about the advanced user? > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email tomacvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email tomacvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visithttps://groups.google.com/d/opto
Re: advanced voice over?
Yes I use an activity in Night Owl to give me a hot key to let me know how many characters I have remaining in a tweet, and to automatically speak when I change view, such as from Home to Mentions etc. I also use an activity to set verbosity to low in Mail, to get around the disclosure triangle Mail bug that was introduced with Mavericks. There is currently an unfortunate bug where if you use one of the Nuance voices, switching applications if an activity is involved takes a long time. This may be the performance issue Rachel was referring to. Hopefully this will be address in Yosemite as activities are really useful. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 21/08/2014, at 5:25 am, Rachel Feinberg wrote: > Hi Pam, > > activities are a pretty neat feature. Let's say, in Safari, if you always > wanted quick nav to turn on when you went to the browser, you could set it up > so it would do so when you opened Safari, as an example. It's a way of > automating tasks so Voiceover can do some of the work, leaving you to be more > efficient. > I don't know if it still is, but I found that activities (at least using the > quick nav example) tended to slow Voiceover's performance, but the principle > is fantastic. > HTH, > Rachel. > On Aug 20, 2014, at 10:16 AM, Pamela Francis wrote: > >> Hello, >> This topic brings me to a question I have never had the courage to ask >> because I don't want to be considered stupid. What is the purpose in >> activities and how do you use them? I've never messed with it in the three >> years I've had my computer and don't understand what they're there for. If >> I remember correctly they are not addressed in the initial voiceover >> tutorial one can use when learning how to get around the Mac. >> >> Pam Francis >> >> On Aug 20, 2014, at 8:33 AM, Kliphton Senior wrote: >> >> Thanks for the few tips. I actually hate the track pad. But will do what >> you suggested! >> >> Kliphton >> (iMessage&Email) m.kliph...@gmail.com >> (Twitter&Skype) kliphton72 >> (Personal blog, read at your own risk!) http://kliphskorner.wordpress.com >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Aug 20, 2014, at 9:17 AM, Kayaker wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> So, you think you're ready to move up to the VO big leagues eh? >>> >>> I tend to go with self help. I often check out the VO-H command menus >>> reading the command descriptions to see what I can do. I also look in the >>> VO Utility application where you can assign actions to keys and see and >>> control verbosity. I was using VO before the trackpad commander, so I tend >>> to use the keyboard commands exclusively. If you are a trackpad user, look >>> into the commander functions, or the Numpad commander functions, and use >>> both keyboard and trackpad to your advantage. There's a lot of >>> customizations you can make within the VO Utility. >>> >>> I think my favorite command beyond the basics is simply the VO Shift C, >>> copy last phrase spoken to the clipboard. And the second most useful >>> command I tend to use is the move mouse cursor to voiceover cursor with VO >>> Command F5. I tend to use that for working around voiceover issues with the >>> contextual menus or a stubborn button that won't activate. So, at that >>> point I will use the mouse button like any sighted user would. >>> >>> Another fun game to play is to enable keyboard help, with VO K, and then >>> just hit keys with the VO controls down to hear what they do. Be sure to >>> use all the modifier combinations. >>> >>> And the other important thing is to ask the list if there is an easier way >>> to do something that annoys you. Odds are, there probably is, and you'll >>> get the answer here. >>> >>> Enjoy. >>> --K >>> Faith doesn't give you the answers, it merely stops you from asking the >>> questions. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Aug 20, 2014, at 8:38 AM, Kliphton Senior wrote: >>> So, now that everyone knows the basics, what are some advanced things voice over users can learn? Where would we find documentation on this? They have a lot of tutorials out there, but most of it is for the beginner, what about the advanced user? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email tomacvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email tomacvisionar...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visithttps://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To po
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I like to describe activities in VO kind of like voice profiles in JAWS. You can have different VO settings for certain applications. So for example, if when in textedit you wanted the speed to be a little slower for editing purposes but have the main speed faster, you can set an activity for this. There are tons of options you can set up in activities. Matt Dierckens Macintosh Trainer Blind Access Training www.blindaccesstraining.com 1-877-774-7670 ext. 3 Work email:matt...@blindaccesstraining.com Personal email: matt.dierck...@gmail.com On Aug 20, 2014, at 13:16, Pamela Francis wrote: > Hello, > This topic brings me to a question I have never had the courage to ask > because I don't want to be considered stupid. What is the purpose in > activities and how do you use them? I've never messed with it in the three > years I've had my computer and don't understand what they're there for. If I > remember correctly they are not addressed in the initial voiceover tutorial > one can use when learning how to get around the Mac. > > Pam Francis > > On Aug 20, 2014, at 8:33 AM, Kliphton Senior wrote: > > Thanks for the few tips. I actually hate the track pad. But will do what > you suggested! > > Kliphton > (iMessage&Email) m.kliph...@gmail.com > (Twitter&Skype) kliphton72 > (Personal blog, read at your own risk!) http://kliphskorner.wordpress.com > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 20, 2014, at 9:17 AM, Kayaker wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> So, you think you're ready to move up to the VO big leagues eh? >> >> I tend to go with self help. I often check out the VO-H command menus >> reading the command descriptions to see what I can do. I also look in the VO >> Utility application where you can assign actions to keys and see and control >> verbosity. I was using VO before the trackpad commander, so I tend to use >> the keyboard commands exclusively. If you are a trackpad user, look into the >> commander functions, or the Numpad commander functions, and use both >> keyboard and trackpad to your advantage. There's a lot of customizations you >> can make within the VO Utility. >> >> I think my favorite command beyond the basics is simply the VO Shift C, copy >> last phrase spoken to the clipboard. And the second most useful command I >> tend to use is the move mouse cursor to voiceover cursor with VO Command F5. >> I tend to use that for working around voiceover issues with the contextual >> menus or a stubborn button that won't activate. So, at that point I will use >> the mouse button like any sighted user would. >> >> Another fun game to play is to enable keyboard help, with VO K, and then >> just hit keys with the VO controls down to hear what they do. Be sure to use >> all the modifier combinations. >> >> And the other important thing is to ask the list if there is an easier way >> to do something that annoys you. Odds are, there probably is, and you'll >> get the answer here. >> >> Enjoy. >> --K >> Faith doesn't give you the answers, it merely stops you from asking the >> questions. >> >> >> >> >> On Aug 20, 2014, at 8:38 AM, Kliphton Senior wrote: >> >>> So, now that everyone knows the basics, what are some advanced things voice >>> over users can learn? Where would we find documentation on this? They >>> have a lot of tutorials out there, but most of it is for the beginner, what >>> about the advanced user? >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email tomacvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email tomacvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>> For more options, visithttps://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionari
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Hi Pam, activities are a pretty neat feature. Let's say, in Safari, if you always wanted quick nav to turn on when you went to the browser, you could set it up so it would do so when you opened Safari, as an example. It's a way of automating tasks so Voiceover can do some of the work, leaving you to be more efficient. I don't know if it still is, but I found that activities (at least using the quick nav example) tended to slow Voiceover's performance, but the principle is fantastic. HTH, Rachel. On Aug 20, 2014, at 10:16 AM, Pamela Francis wrote: > Hello, > This topic brings me to a question I have never had the courage to ask > because I don't want to be considered stupid. What is the purpose in > activities and how do you use them? I've never messed with it in the three > years I've had my computer and don't understand what they're there for. If I > remember correctly they are not addressed in the initial voiceover tutorial > one can use when learning how to get around the Mac. > > Pam Francis > > On Aug 20, 2014, at 8:33 AM, Kliphton Senior wrote: > > Thanks for the few tips. I actually hate the track pad. But will do what > you suggested! > > Kliphton > (iMessage&Email) m.kliph...@gmail.com > (Twitter&Skype) kliphton72 > (Personal blog, read at your own risk!) http://kliphskorner.wordpress.com > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 20, 2014, at 9:17 AM, Kayaker wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> So, you think you're ready to move up to the VO big leagues eh? >> >> I tend to go with self help. I often check out the VO-H command menus >> reading the command descriptions to see what I can do. I also look in the VO >> Utility application where you can assign actions to keys and see and control >> verbosity. I was using VO before the trackpad commander, so I tend to use >> the keyboard commands exclusively. If you are a trackpad user, look into the >> commander functions, or the Numpad commander functions, and use both >> keyboard and trackpad to your advantage. There's a lot of customizations you >> can make within the VO Utility. >> >> I think my favorite command beyond the basics is simply the VO Shift C, copy >> last phrase spoken to the clipboard. And the second most useful command I >> tend to use is the move mouse cursor to voiceover cursor with VO Command F5. >> I tend to use that for working around voiceover issues with the contextual >> menus or a stubborn button that won't activate. So, at that point I will use >> the mouse button like any sighted user would. >> >> Another fun game to play is to enable keyboard help, with VO K, and then >> just hit keys with the VO controls down to hear what they do. Be sure to use >> all the modifier combinations. >> >> And the other important thing is to ask the list if there is an easier way >> to do something that annoys you. Odds are, there probably is, and you'll >> get the answer here. >> >> Enjoy. >> --K >> Faith doesn't give you the answers, it merely stops you from asking the >> questions. >> >> >> >> >> On Aug 20, 2014, at 8:38 AM, Kliphton Senior wrote: >> >>> So, now that everyone knows the basics, what are some advanced things voice >>> over users can learn? Where would we find documentation on this? They >>> have a lot of tutorials out there, but most of it is for the beginner, what >>> about the advanced user? >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email tomacvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email tomacvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>> For more options, visithttps://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To
Re: advanced voice over?
Hello, This topic brings me to a question I have never had the courage to ask because I don't want to be considered stupid. What is the purpose in activities and how do you use them? I've never messed with it in the three years I've had my computer and don't understand what they're there for. If I remember correctly they are not addressed in the initial voiceover tutorial one can use when learning how to get around the Mac. Pam Francis On Aug 20, 2014, at 8:33 AM, Kliphton Senior wrote: Thanks for the few tips. I actually hate the track pad. But will do what you suggested! Kliphton (iMessage&Email) m.kliph...@gmail.com (Twitter&Skype) kliphton72 (Personal blog, read at your own risk!) http://kliphskorner.wordpress.com Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 20, 2014, at 9:17 AM, Kayaker wrote: > > Hi, > > So, you think you’re ready to move up to the VO big leagues eh? > > I tend to go with self help. I often check out the VO-H command menus reading > the command descriptions to see what I can do. I also look in the VO Utility > application where you can assign actions to keys and see and control > verbosity. I was using VO before the trackpad commander, so I tend to use the > keyboard commands exclusively. If you are a trackpad user, look into the > commander functions, or the Numpad commander functions, and use both keyboard > and trackpad to your advantage. There’s a lot of customizations you can make > within the VO Utility. > > I think my favorite command beyond the basics is simply the VO Shift C, copy > last phrase spoken to the clipboard. And the second most useful command I > tend to use is the move mouse cursor to voiceover cursor with VO Command F5. > I tend to use that for working around voiceover issues with the contextual > menus or a stubborn button that won’t activate. So, at that point I will use > the mouse button like any sighted user would. > > Another fun game to play is to enable keyboard help, with VO K, and then just > hit keys with the VO controls down to hear what they do. Be sure to use all > the modifier combinations. > > And the other important thing is to ask the list if there is an easier way to > do something that annoys you. Odds are, there probably is, and you’ll get > the answer here. > > Enjoy. > —K > Faith doesn’t give you the answers, it merely stops you from asking the > questions. > > > > >> On Aug 20, 2014, at 8:38 AM, Kliphton Senior wrote: >> >> So, now that everyone knows the basics, what are some advanced things voice >> over users can learn? Where would we find documentation on this? They have >> a lot of tutorials out there, but most of it is for the beginner, what about >> the advanced user? >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email tomacvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email tomacvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visithttps://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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Thanks for the few tips. I actually hate the track pad. But will do what you suggested! Kliphton (iMessage&Email) m.kliph...@gmail.com (Twitter&Skype) kliphton72 (Personal blog, read at your own risk!) http://kliphskorner.wordpress.com Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 20, 2014, at 9:17 AM, Kayaker wrote: > > Hi, > > So, you think you’re ready to move up to the VO big leagues eh? > > I tend to go with self help. I often check out the VO-H command menus reading > the command descriptions to see what I can do. I also look in the VO Utility > application where you can assign actions to keys and see and control > verbosity. I was using VO before the trackpad commander, so I tend to use the > keyboard commands exclusively. If you are a trackpad user, look into the > commander functions, or the Numpad commander functions, and use both keyboard > and trackpad to your advantage. There’s a lot of customizations you can make > within the VO Utility. > > I think my favorite command beyond the basics is simply the VO Shift C, copy > last phrase spoken to the clipboard. And the second most useful command I > tend to use is the move mouse cursor to voiceover cursor with VO Command F5. > I tend to use that for working around voiceover issues with the contextual > menus or a stubborn button that won’t activate. So, at that point I will use > the mouse button like any sighted user would. > > Another fun game to play is to enable keyboard help, with VO K, and then just > hit keys with the VO controls down to hear what they do. Be sure to use all > the modifier combinations. > > And the other important thing is to ask the list if there is an easier way to > do something that annoys you. Odds are, there probably is, and you’ll get > the answer here. > > Enjoy. > —K > Faith doesn’t give you the answers, it merely stops you from asking the > questions. > > > > >> On Aug 20, 2014, at 8:38 AM, Kliphton Senior wrote: >> >> So, now that everyone knows the basics, what are some advanced things voice >> over users can learn? Where would we find documentation on this? They have >> a lot of tutorials out there, but most of it is for the beginner, what about >> the advanced user? >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email tomacvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email tomacvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visithttps://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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Hi, So, you think you're ready to move up to the VO big leagues eh? I tend to go with self help. I often check out the VO-H command menus reading the command descriptions to see what I can do. I also look in the VO Utility application where you can assign actions to keys and see and control verbosity. I was using VO before the trackpad commander, so I tend to use the keyboard commands exclusively. If you are a trackpad user, look into the commander functions, or the Numpad commander functions, and use both keyboard and trackpad to your advantage. There's a lot of customizations you can make within the VO Utility. I think my favorite command beyond the basics is simply the VO Shift C, copy last phrase spoken to the clipboard. And the second most useful command I tend to use is the move mouse cursor to voiceover cursor with VO Command F5. I tend to use that for working around voiceover issues with the contextual menus or a stubborn button that won't activate. So, at that point I will use the mouse button like any sighted user would. Another fun game to play is to enable keyboard help, with VO K, and then just hit keys with the VO controls down to hear what they do. Be sure to use all the modifier combinations. And the other important thing is to ask the list if there is an easier way to do something that annoys you. Odds are, there probably is, and you'll get the answer here. Enjoy. --K Faith doesn't give you the answers, it merely stops you from asking the questions. On Aug 20, 2014, at 8:38 AM, Kliphton Senior wrote: > So, now that everyone knows the basics, what are some advanced things voice > over users can learn? Where would we find documentation on this? They have > a lot of tutorials out there, but most of it is for the beginner, what about > the advanced user? > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email tomacvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email tomacvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visithttps://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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You'll learn more from the geting started guide, which you'll find in the VO help menu, which you were told how to access in the tutorial when you first started VO and would find a great help anyway. Mac isn't like Windows, just let Apple show you how to do things. Then you learn how software does things by looking through its menus and experimenting. It's always worth trying a standard arrow key rather than a VO keystroke, for instance, to save on fingers, and Mac apps probably tend to have more shortcut keys than Windows ones. Do what I've just said and there's no reason you won't be a VO expert in a couple of days. Go through all the sections, even if their titles don't look inspiring. I've never known a screen reader have such comprehensive and easy to follow documentation built right in, no need to download training materials or learn to use a piece of software just to hear them :) Cheers Dave On 20 Aug 2014, at 13:55, Alex Hall wrote: > What, specifically, are you looking to do? Beginner stuff is easy, because > you can limit it to "the keystrokes you need to know" or "how to do x y an z > in VoiceOver compared to NVDA". Advanced is, well, advanced, and everyone's > level of what defines "advanced" is different, and non-basic commands are > harder to lump together than basic ones. So, what are you looking to do, or > do more efficiently? > On Aug 20, 2014, at 8:38 AM, Kliphton Senior wrote: > >> So, now that everyone knows the basics, what are some advanced things voice >> over users can learn? Where would we find documentation on this? They have >> a lot of tutorials out there, but most of it is for the beginner, what about >> the advanced user? >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > Have a great day, > Alex Hall > mehg...@icloud.com > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: advanced voice over?
What, specifically, are you looking to do? Beginner stuff is easy, because you can limit it to "the keystrokes you need to know" or "how to do x y an z in VoiceOver compared to NVDA". Advanced is, well, advanced, and everyone's level of what defines "advanced" is different, and non-basic commands are harder to lump together than basic ones. So, what are you looking to do, or do more efficiently? On Aug 20, 2014, at 8:38 AM, Kliphton Senior wrote: > So, now that everyone knows the basics, what are some advanced things voice > over users can learn? Where would we find documentation on this? They have > a lot of tutorials out there, but most of it is for the beginner, what about > the advanced user? > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Have a great day, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
