RE: brf reader
Lol, I just wish there were Braille Displays under $800. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Simon Cavendish Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 1:00 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: brf reader Dear Justin, No you aren't. I do miss hard copy braille too. In fact, I still use it. I love to handle a braille book! BW, Simon On 5 Jul 2009, at 03:27, Justin Harford wrote: Lol am I the only one on here who misses hardcopy braille? Justin On Jul 4, 2009, at 3:35 PM, Simon Cavendish wrote: SCott, Braille is very important to me too. There are some small displays which perfectly adequate. Blazie have some small displays of 18 to 20 cells and they are quite adequate. You use a button or bar to advance the display but you can still read very fast. I think braille displays are just a must for braille blind readers. I would not be without them. Brlnote has a 32 cell display but it is a kind of computer as well - a bit too bulky. I have sen advertised some smaller and lighter almost pocket size braille displays which I crave. I do hope that we will always have Braille displays for those of us who just have to feel the letters with their finger tips. I know I do. Best wishes, Simon On 4 Jul 2009, at 20:25, Scott Howell wrote: You know Eric you got a good point. I want a braille display very badly. I have a long commute, but headphones on the train is not an option and I'd love to have a small and compact display I could use to do some reading. Actually f anyone knows of a good display that would of course work with Leopard and is reasonably priced (subjective I know), please advise or at least let me know what you have used. I might just dig into my pocket and stimulate some ones economy. :) A really big question for me is I think there are some very small displays out there and how do folks handle reading with these. I think they are wide enough to have maybe two or three words displayed at a time? I assume you just learn to scroll right and read with one hand? I know it sounds like a silly question, but I have only read braille books and the like, so a display is kind of foreign to me. tnx, On Jul 4, 2009, at 2:04 PM, erik burggraaf wrote: No, you're dead on, smiles. I'm a lazy boy myself, and generally speaking I'm just as happy to be read to. There's something about braille though. Listening is fine, especially if you have a good book with a really great narrater. Reading with a speech engine is OK. It would let me take care of odd chores while I'm listening and still get access to that book that I can't find in audiobook format. I like reading a book in braille once in a while though, and I'm especially going to like it if I don't have to be tied down to my computer by a usb cable to do it. Reading complements listening and helps keep spelling and grammer skills sharp as well as just providing an alternative to listening to cheesie speech synthesizers. I can't stand the thought of paper braille but there's definitely an attraction for me in pulling out my braille connect and going to town on a book. I have to run around the city all the time for work and the transit system takes a while to get anywhere. So, I can plan to be on the road anywere from one hour to 2 or three to get where I need to be on any given day. Braille books are really handy for that. I can take my braille display and read my book and still pay strict attention to stop announcements and such. I can even stand on a bus or a train with my arm around a pole and the other hand scrubbing the display. Kind'a makes me feel like any other guy with a paperback or a news paper. Best, erik burggraaf A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. Phone: 888-255-5194 Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com On 4-Jul-09, at 1:15 PM, Jenny Kennedy wrote: Ah Eric, I think I see your point? It looks as if the CNIB has what the NLS calls web braille. You just want to grab the books that come in the web braille brf format and read them in braille from your mac like people do when they put them on something like a braille note? That's fair enough, some people like reading braille over listening to spoken word. Pointless or not, brf seems to be the file of choice by groups who provide electronic access to their libries for braille content. There's nothing wrong with wanting to read a book in braille via a braille display, note taker or whatever. Having said this though, I've gotta say I'm with Josh and find it faster and just more enjoyable to have whatever it is read to me and wish that the different programs who offer etexts to us would offer a HTML or TXT version along with the BRF version. But then you run into all that copyright stuff so I guess you deal with things as they are. : smile : Am I kind of right
Re: brf reader
, screen readers didn't translate into grade 2, so BRF files were a convenient way to read books without the painful necessity of reading them in computer Braille, (AKA Grade 0). These days, BRF is convenient on some note taking devices, though hardlya necessity. It serves now, or so it seems to me, as a sort of quasi-DRM. They figure sighted users who might get hold of such files won't know how to read them, and therefore will not pirate them. If I was so fortunate to be able to afford a ridiculously overpriced Braille display, (LOL), I wouldn't bother with BRF at all. I think they are far more trouble than they are worth. I have always, and expect I always will, back translate BRF files to read them, regardless of them method. The only other use for BRF files, really, is if you plan on printing to a Braille hard copy. But really, who is going to do that? LOL. On Jul 4, 2009, at 7:11 AM, erik burggraaf wrote: OK ppl. Here's what I'm reading. If I want to grab a fantasy novel from CNIB library in BRF format and read the thing, I first have to back translate it. But if Louis will back translate the thing, won't it just open up nicely and allow me to read without any palaver? And if you have to back translate to ge access to a brf file, then what is the point of having brf files in the first place? Maybe I should just stick to doing this on my phone, but I saw a friend of mine using his braille display on his mac and it looked very inspiring. Especially given that snowleppard will support bluetooth conectivity for braille displays. Best, erik burggraaf A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. Phone: 888-255-5194 Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com On 3-Jul-09, at 8:19 PM, Josh de Lioncourt wrote: Back translating is really the best way to go. I mean, if you're reading with a braille display, TextEdit or any other text editing program should do the trick for you. If you want the TTS to read it, then what you're looking for is an app to do back translation on the fly. Either way, it amounts to the same. Personally, I'd prefer to just back translate it and get on with the business of reading it normally. That will also allow for easy searching of the text with standard find functions, and such. Louis works great for back translating. On Jul 3, 2009, at 4:06 PM, erik burggraaf wrote: Well, no, I just want to hit command O on a brf file that I download from CNIB and read it. Does anything do that? I guess if I had to I would back translate them but that seems like a wasted step. Best, erik burggraaf A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. Phone: 888-255-5194 Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com On 3-Jul-09, at 6:58 PM, Greg Kearney wrote: Do you want to back translate brf files to text? If so Louis will do that for you. Greg Kearney On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 1:37 AM, erik burggraafe...@erik- burggraaf.com wrote: Hi friends, I've just sifted a few pages of google results, but I haven't been able to find a brf reader for Mac OS. Can some one point me to it please? Thanks, erik burggraaf A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. Phone: 888-255-5194 Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com -- Gregory Kearney Manager Accessible Media Association for the Blind of Western Australia 61 Kitchener Ave. Victoria Park 6100 Western Australia --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: brf reader
. Best, erik burggraaf A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. Phone: 888-255-5194 Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com On 4-Jul-09, at 1:15 PM, Jenny Kennedy wrote: Ah Eric, I think I see your point? It looks as if the CNIB has what the NLS calls web braille. You just want to grab the books that come in the web braille brf format and read them in braille from your mac like people do when they put them on something like a braille note? That's fair enough, some people like reading braille over listening to spoken word. Pointless or not, brf seems to be the file of choice by groups who provide electronic access to their libries for braille content. There's nothing wrong with wanting to read a book in braille via a braille display, note taker or whatever. Having said this though, I've gotta say I'm with Josh and find it faster and just more enjoyable to have whatever it is read to me and wish that the different programs who offer etexts to us would offer a HTML or TXT version along with the BRF version. But then you run into all that copyright stuff so I guess you deal with things as they are. : smile : Am I kind of right? Or have I missed the mark altogether? Best regards Jenny On 7/4/09, Josh de Lioncourt overl...@lioncourt.com wrote: With the advent of grade 2 translation in screen readers for English, the point of BRF files is basically non-existent. They only were ever there because, initially, screen readers didn't translate into grade 2, so BRF files were a convenient way to read books without the painful necessity of reading them in computer Braille, (AKA Grade 0). These days, BRF is convenient on some note taking devices, though hardlya necessity. It serves now, or so it seems to me, as a sort of quasi-DRM. They figure sighted users who might get hold of such files won't know how to read them, and therefore will not pirate them. If I was so fortunate to be able to afford a ridiculously overpriced Braille display, (LOL), I wouldn't bother with BRF at all. I think they are far more trouble than they are worth. I have always, and expect I always will, back translate BRF files to read them, regardless of them method. The only other use for BRF files, really, is if you plan on printing to a Braille hard copy. But really, who is going to do that? LOL. On Jul 4, 2009, at 7:11 AM, erik burggraaf wrote: OK ppl. Here's what I'm reading. If I want to grab a fantasy novel from CNIB library in BRF format and read the thing, I first have to back translate it. But if Louis will back translate the thing, won't it just open up nicely and allow me to read without any palaver? And if you have to back translate to ge access to a brf file, then what is the point of having brf files in the first place? Maybe I should just stick to doing this on my phone, but I saw a friend of mine using his braille display on his mac and it looked very inspiring. Especially given that snowleppard will support bluetooth conectivity for braille displays. Best, erik burggraaf A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. Phone: 888-255-5194 Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com On 3-Jul-09, at 8:19 PM, Josh de Lioncourt wrote: Back translating is really the best way to go. I mean, if you're reading with a braille display, TextEdit or any other text editing program should do the trick for you. If you want the TTS to read it, then what you're looking for is an app to do back translation on the fly. Either way, it amounts to the same. Personally, I'd prefer to just back translate it and get on with the business of reading it normally. That will also allow for easy searching of the text with standard find functions, and such. Louis works great for back translating. On Jul 3, 2009, at 4:06 PM, erik burggraaf wrote: Well, no, I just want to hit command O on a brf file that I download from CNIB and read it. Does anything do that? I guess if I had to I would back translate them but that seems like a wasted step. Best, erik burggraaf A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. Phone: 888-255-5194 Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com On 3-Jul-09, at 6:58 PM, Greg Kearney wrote: Do you want to back translate brf files to text? If so Louis will do that for you. Greg Kearney On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 1:37 AM, erik burggraafe...@erik- burggraaf.com wrote: Hi friends, I've just sifted a few pages of google results, but I haven't been able to find a brf reader for Mac OS. Can some one point me to it please? Thanks, erik burggraaf A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. Phone: 888-255-5194 Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com -- Gregory Kearney Manager Accessible Media Association for the Blind of Western Australia 61 Kitchener Ave. Victoria Park 6100 Western Australia
Re: brf reader
into grade 2, so BRF files were a convenient way to read books without the painful necessity of reading them in computer Braille, (AKA Grade 0). These days, BRF is convenient on some note taking devices, though hardlya necessity. It serves now, or so it seems to me, as a sort of quasi-DRM. They figure sighted users who might get hold of such files won't know how to read them, and therefore will not pirate them. If I was so fortunate to be able to afford a ridiculously overpriced Braille display, (LOL), I wouldn't bother with BRF at all. I think they are far more trouble than they are worth. I have always, and expect I always will, back translate BRF files to read them, regardless of them method. The only other use for BRF files, really, is if you plan on printing to a Braille hard copy. But really, who is going to do that? LOL. On Jul 4, 2009, at 7:11 AM, erik burggraaf wrote: OK ppl. Here's what I'm reading. If I want to grab a fantasy novel from CNIB library in BRF format and read the thing, I first have to back translate it. But if Louis will back translate the thing, won't it just open up nicely and allow me to read without any palaver? And if you have to back translate to ge access to a brf file, then what is the point of having brf files in the first place? Maybe I should just stick to doing this on my phone, but I saw a friend of mine using his braille display on his mac and it looked very inspiring. Especially given that snowleppard will support bluetooth conectivity for braille displays. Best, erik burggraaf A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. Phone: 888-255-5194 Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com On 3-Jul-09, at 8:19 PM, Josh de Lioncourt wrote: Back translating is really the best way to go. I mean, if you're reading with a braille display, TextEdit or any other text editing program should do the trick for you. If you want the TTS to read it, then what you're looking for is an app to do back translation on the fly. Either way, it amounts to the same. Personally, I'd prefer to just back translate it and get on with the business of reading it normally. That will also allow for easy searching of the text with standard find functions, and such. Louis works great for back translating. On Jul 3, 2009, at 4:06 PM, erik burggraaf wrote: Well, no, I just want to hit command O on a brf file that I download from CNIB and read it. Does anything do that? I guess if I had to I would back translate them but that seems like a wasted step. Best, erik burggraaf A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. Phone: 888-255-5194 Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com On 3-Jul-09, at 6:58 PM, Greg Kearney wrote: Do you want to back translate brf files to text? If so Louis will do that for you. Greg Kearney On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 1:37 AM, erik burggraafe...@erik- burggraaf.com wrote: Hi friends, I've just sifted a few pages of google results, but I haven't been able to find a brf reader for Mac OS. Can some one point me to it please? Thanks, erik burggraaf A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. Phone: 888-255-5194 Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com -- Gregory Kearney Manager Accessible Media Association for the Blind of Western Australia 61 Kitchener Ave. Victoria Park 6100 Western Australia --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: brf reader
...@erik-burggraaf.com On 4-Jul-09, at 1:15 PM, Jenny Kennedy wrote: Ah Eric, I think I see your point? It looks as if the CNIB has what the NLS calls web braille. You just want to grab the books that come in the web braille brf format and read them in braille from your mac like people do when they put them on something like a braille note? That's fair enough, some people like reading braille over listening to spoken word. Pointless or not, brf seems to be the file of choice by groups who provide electronic access to their libries for braille content. There's nothing wrong with wanting to read a book in braille via a braille display, note taker or whatever. Having said this though, I've gotta say I'm with Josh and find it faster and just more enjoyable to have whatever it is read to me and wish that the different programs who offer etexts to us would offer a HTML or TXT version along with the BRF version. But then you run into all that copyright stuff so I guess you deal with things as they are. : smile : Am I kind of right? Or have I missed the mark altogether? Best regards Jenny On 7/4/09, Josh de Lioncourt overl...@lioncourt.com wrote: With the advent of grade 2 translation in screen readers for English, the point of BRF files is basically non-existent. They only were ever there because, initially, screen readers didn't translate into grade 2, so BRF files were a convenient way to read books without the painful necessity of reading them in computer Braille, (AKA Grade 0). These days, BRF is convenient on some note taking devices, though hardlya necessity. It serves now, or so it seems to me, as a sort of quasi-DRM. They figure sighted users who might get hold of such files won't know how to read them, and therefore will not pirate them. If I was so fortunate to be able to afford a ridiculously overpriced Braille display, (LOL), I wouldn't bother with BRF at all. I think they are far more trouble than they are worth. I have always, and expect I always will, back translate BRF files to read them, regardless of them method. The only other use for BRF files, really, is if you plan on printing to a Braille hard copy. But really, who is going to do that? LOL. On Jul 4, 2009, at 7:11 AM, erik burggraaf wrote: OK ppl. Here's what I'm reading. If I want to grab a fantasy novel from CNIB library in BRF format and read the thing, I first have to back translate it. But if Louis will back translate the thing, won't it just open up nicely and allow me to read without any palaver? And if you have to back translate to ge access to a brf file, then what is the point of having brf files in the first place? Maybe I should just stick to doing this on my phone, but I saw a friend of mine using his braille display on his mac and it looked very inspiring. Especially given that snowleppard will support bluetooth conectivity for braille displays. Best, erik burggraaf A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. Phone: 888-255-5194 Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com On 3-Jul-09, at 8:19 PM, Josh de Lioncourt wrote: Back translating is really the best way to go. I mean, if you're reading with a braille display, TextEdit or any other text editing program should do the trick for you. If you want the TTS to read it, then what you're looking for is an app to do back translation on the fly. Either way, it amounts to the same. Personally, I'd prefer to just back translate it and get on with the business of reading it normally. That will also allow for easy searching of the text with standard find functions, and such. Louis works great for back translating. On Jul 3, 2009, at 4:06 PM, erik burggraaf wrote: Well, no, I just want to hit command O on a brf file that I download from CNIB and read it. Does anything do that? I guess if I had to I would back translate them but that seems like a wasted step. Best, erik burggraaf A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. Phone: 888-255-5194 Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com On 3-Jul-09, at 6:58 PM, Greg Kearney wrote: Do you want to back translate brf files to text? If so Louis will do that for you. Greg Kearney On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 1:37 AM, erik burggraafe...@erik- burggraaf.com wrote: Hi friends, I've just sifted a few pages of google results, but I haven't been able to find a brf reader for Mac OS. Can some one point me to it please? Thanks, erik burggraaf A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. Phone: 888-255-5194 Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com -- Gregory Kearney Manager Accessible Media Association for the Blind of Western Australia 61 Kitchener Ave. Victoria Park 6100 Western Australia --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group
Re: brf reader
OK ppl. Here's what I'm reading. If I want to grab a fantasy novel from CNIB library in BRF format and read the thing, I first have to back translate it. But if Louis will back translate the thing, won't it just open up nicely and allow me to read without any palaver? And if you have to back translate to ge access to a brf file, then what is the point of having brf files in the first place? Maybe I should just stick to doing this on my phone, but I saw a friend of mine using his braille display on his mac and it looked very inspiring. Especially given that snowleppard will support bluetooth conectivity for braille displays. Best, erik burggraaf A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. Phone: 888-255-5194 Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com On 3-Jul-09, at 8:19 PM, Josh de Lioncourt wrote: Back translating is really the best way to go. I mean, if you're reading with a braille display, TextEdit or any other text editing program should do the trick for you. If you want the TTS to read it, then what you're looking for is an app to do back translation on the fly. Either way, it amounts to the same. Personally, I'd prefer to just back translate it and get on with the business of reading it normally. That will also allow for easy searching of the text with standard find functions, and such. Louis works great for back translating. On Jul 3, 2009, at 4:06 PM, erik burggraaf wrote: Well, no, I just want to hit command O on a brf file that I download from CNIB and read it. Does anything do that? I guess if I had to I would back translate them but that seems like a wasted step. Best, erik burggraaf A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. Phone: 888-255-5194 Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com On 3-Jul-09, at 6:58 PM, Greg Kearney wrote: Do you want to back translate brf files to text? If so Louis will do that for you. Greg Kearney On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 1:37 AM, erik burggraafe...@erik- burggraaf.com wrote: Hi friends, I've just sifted a few pages of google results, but I haven't been able to find a brf reader for Mac OS. Can some one point me to it please? Thanks, erik burggraaf A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. Phone: 888-255-5194 Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com -- Gregory Kearney Manager Accessible Media Association for the Blind of Western Australia 61 Kitchener Ave. Victoria Park 6100 Western Australia --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: brf reader
With the advent of grade 2 translation in screen readers for English, the point of BRF files is basically non-existent. They only were ever there because, initially, screen readers didn't translate into grade 2, so BRF files were a convenient way to read books without the painful necessity of reading them in computer Braille, (AKA Grade 0). These days, BRF is convenient on some note taking devices, though hardlya necessity. It serves now, or so it seems to me, as a sort of quasi-DRM. They figure sighted users who might get hold of such files won't know how to read them, and therefore will not pirate them. If I was so fortunate to be able to afford a ridiculously overpriced Braille display, (LOL), I wouldn't bother with BRF at all. I think they are far more trouble than they are worth. I have always, and expect I always will, back translate BRF files to read them, regardless of them method. The only other use for BRF files, really, is if you plan on printing to a Braille hard copy. But really, who is going to do that? LOL. On Jul 4, 2009, at 7:11 AM, erik burggraaf wrote: OK ppl. Here's what I'm reading. If I want to grab a fantasy novel from CNIB library in BRF format and read the thing, I first have to back translate it. But if Louis will back translate the thing, won't it just open up nicely and allow me to read without any palaver? And if you have to back translate to ge access to a brf file, then what is the point of having brf files in the first place? Maybe I should just stick to doing this on my phone, but I saw a friend of mine using his braille display on his mac and it looked very inspiring. Especially given that snowleppard will support bluetooth conectivity for braille displays. Best, erik burggraaf A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. Phone: 888-255-5194 Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com On 3-Jul-09, at 8:19 PM, Josh de Lioncourt wrote: Back translating is really the best way to go. I mean, if you're reading with a braille display, TextEdit or any other text editing program should do the trick for you. If you want the TTS to read it, then what you're looking for is an app to do back translation on the fly. Either way, it amounts to the same. Personally, I'd prefer to just back translate it and get on with the business of reading it normally. That will also allow for easy searching of the text with standard find functions, and such. Louis works great for back translating. On Jul 3, 2009, at 4:06 PM, erik burggraaf wrote: Well, no, I just want to hit command O on a brf file that I download from CNIB and read it. Does anything do that? I guess if I had to I would back translate them but that seems like a wasted step. Best, erik burggraaf A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. Phone: 888-255-5194 Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com On 3-Jul-09, at 6:58 PM, Greg Kearney wrote: Do you want to back translate brf files to text? If so Louis will do that for you. Greg Kearney On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 1:37 AM, erik burggraafe...@erik- burggraaf.com wrote: Hi friends, I've just sifted a few pages of google results, but I haven't been able to find a brf reader for Mac OS. Can some one point me to it please? Thanks, erik burggraaf A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. Phone: 888-255-5194 Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com -- Gregory Kearney Manager Accessible Media Association for the Blind of Western Australia 61 Kitchener Ave. Victoria Park 6100 Western Australia --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: brf reader
Ah Eric, I think I see your point? It looks as if the CNIB has what the NLS calls web braille. You just want to grab the books that come in the web braille brf format and read them in braille from your mac like people do when they put them on something like a braille note? That's fair enough, some people like reading braille over listening to spoken word. Pointless or not, brf seems to be the file of choice by groups who provide electronic access to their libries for braille content. There's nothing wrong with wanting to read a book in braille via a braille display, note taker or whatever. Having said this though, I've gotta say I'm with Josh and find it faster and just more enjoyable to have whatever it is read to me and wish that the different programs who offer etexts to us would offer a HTML or TXT version along with the BRF version. But then you run into all that copyright stuff so I guess you deal with things as they are. : smile : Am I kind of right? Or have I missed the mark altogether? Best regards Jenny On 7/4/09, Josh de Lioncourt overl...@lioncourt.com wrote: With the advent of grade 2 translation in screen readers for English, the point of BRF files is basically non-existent. They only were ever there because, initially, screen readers didn't translate into grade 2, so BRF files were a convenient way to read books without the painful necessity of reading them in computer Braille, (AKA Grade 0). These days, BRF is convenient on some note taking devices, though hardlya necessity. It serves now, or so it seems to me, as a sort of quasi-DRM. They figure sighted users who might get hold of such files won't know how to read them, and therefore will not pirate them. If I was so fortunate to be able to afford a ridiculously overpriced Braille display, (LOL), I wouldn't bother with BRF at all. I think they are far more trouble than they are worth. I have always, and expect I always will, back translate BRF files to read them, regardless of them method. The only other use for BRF files, really, is if you plan on printing to a Braille hard copy. But really, who is going to do that? LOL. On Jul 4, 2009, at 7:11 AM, erik burggraaf wrote: OK ppl. Here's what I'm reading. If I want to grab a fantasy novel from CNIB library in BRF format and read the thing, I first have to back translate it. But if Louis will back translate the thing, won't it just open up nicely and allow me to read without any palaver? And if you have to back translate to ge access to a brf file, then what is the point of having brf files in the first place? Maybe I should just stick to doing this on my phone, but I saw a friend of mine using his braille display on his mac and it looked very inspiring. Especially given that snowleppard will support bluetooth conectivity for braille displays. Best, erik burggraaf A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. Phone: 888-255-5194 Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com On 3-Jul-09, at 8:19 PM, Josh de Lioncourt wrote: Back translating is really the best way to go. I mean, if you're reading with a braille display, TextEdit or any other text editing program should do the trick for you. If you want the TTS to read it, then what you're looking for is an app to do back translation on the fly. Either way, it amounts to the same. Personally, I'd prefer to just back translate it and get on with the business of reading it normally. That will also allow for easy searching of the text with standard find functions, and such. Louis works great for back translating. On Jul 3, 2009, at 4:06 PM, erik burggraaf wrote: Well, no, I just want to hit command O on a brf file that I download from CNIB and read it. Does anything do that? I guess if I had to I would back translate them but that seems like a wasted step. Best, erik burggraaf A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. Phone: 888-255-5194 Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com On 3-Jul-09, at 6:58 PM, Greg Kearney wrote: Do you want to back translate brf files to text? If so Louis will do that for you. Greg Kearney On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 1:37 AM, erik burggraafe...@erik- burggraaf.com wrote: Hi friends, I've just sifted a few pages of google results, but I haven't been able to find a brf reader for Mac OS. Can some one point me to it please? Thanks, erik burggraaf A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. Phone: 888-255-5194 Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com -- Gregory Kearney Manager Accessible Media Association for the Blind of Western Australia 61 Kitchener Ave. Victoria Park 6100 Western Australia --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr
Re: brf reader
You're more or less right. The thing is, that text files can be read just as easily with a Braille display as with speech, because screen readers translate text into grade 2 on the fly these days, so the need for BRF is basically nullified. :) On Jul 4, 2009, at 10:15 AM, Jenny Kennedy wrote: Ah Eric, I think I see your point? It looks as if the CNIB has what the NLS calls web braille. You just want to grab the books that come in the web braille brf format and read them in braille from your mac like people do when they put them on something like a braille note? That's fair enough, some people like reading braille over listening to spoken word. Pointless or not, brf seems to be the file of choice by groups who provide electronic access to their libries for braille content. There's nothing wrong with wanting to read a book in braille via a braille display, note taker or whatever. Having said this though, I've gotta say I'm with Josh and find it faster and just more enjoyable to have whatever it is read to me and wish that the different programs who offer etexts to us would offer a HTML or TXT version along with the BRF version. But then you run into all that copyright stuff so I guess you deal with things as they are. : smile : Am I kind of right? Or have I missed the mark altogether? Best regards Jenny On 7/4/09, Josh de Lioncourt overl...@lioncourt.com wrote: With the advent of grade 2 translation in screen readers for English, the point of BRF files is basically non-existent. They only were ever there because, initially, screen readers didn't translate into grade 2, so BRF files were a convenient way to read books without the painful necessity of reading them in computer Braille, (AKA Grade 0). These days, BRF is convenient on some note taking devices, though hardlya necessity. It serves now, or so it seems to me, as a sort of quasi-DRM. They figure sighted users who might get hold of such files won't know how to read them, and therefore will not pirate them. If I was so fortunate to be able to afford a ridiculously overpriced Braille display, (LOL), I wouldn't bother with BRF at all. I think they are far more trouble than they are worth. I have always, and expect I always will, back translate BRF files to read them, regardless of them method. The only other use for BRF files, really, is if you plan on printing to a Braille hard copy. But really, who is going to do that? LOL. On Jul 4, 2009, at 7:11 AM, erik burggraaf wrote: OK ppl. Here's what I'm reading. If I want to grab a fantasy novel from CNIB library in BRF format and read the thing, I first have to back translate it. But if Louis will back translate the thing, won't it just open up nicely and allow me to read without any palaver? And if you have to back translate to ge access to a brf file, then what is the point of having brf files in the first place? Maybe I should just stick to doing this on my phone, but I saw a friend of mine using his braille display on his mac and it looked very inspiring. Especially given that snowleppard will support bluetooth conectivity for braille displays. Best, erik burggraaf A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. Phone: 888-255-5194 Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com On 3-Jul-09, at 8:19 PM, Josh de Lioncourt wrote: Back translating is really the best way to go. I mean, if you're reading with a braille display, TextEdit or any other text editing program should do the trick for you. If you want the TTS to read it, then what you're looking for is an app to do back translation on the fly. Either way, it amounts to the same. Personally, I'd prefer to just back translate it and get on with the business of reading it normally. That will also allow for easy searching of the text with standard find functions, and such. Louis works great for back translating. On Jul 3, 2009, at 4:06 PM, erik burggraaf wrote: Well, no, I just want to hit command O on a brf file that I download from CNIB and read it. Does anything do that? I guess if I had to I would back translate them but that seems like a wasted step. Best, erik burggraaf A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. Phone: 888-255-5194 Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com On 3-Jul-09, at 6:58 PM, Greg Kearney wrote: Do you want to back translate brf files to text? If so Louis will do that for you. Greg Kearney On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 1:37 AM, erik burggraafe...@erik- burggraaf.com wrote: Hi friends, I've just sifted a few pages of google results, but I haven't been able to find a brf reader for Mac OS. Can some one point me to it please? Thanks, erik burggraaf A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. Phone: 888-255-5194 Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com -- Gregory Kearney Manager Accessible Media Association for the Blind of Western Australia 61 Kitchener Ave. Victoria Park
Re: brf reader
translation on the fly. Either way, it amounts to the same. Personally, I'd prefer to just back translate it and get on with the business of reading it normally. That will also allow for easy searching of the text with standard find functions, and such. Louis works great for back translating. On Jul 3, 2009, at 4:06 PM, erik burggraaf wrote: Well, no, I just want to hit command O on a brf file that I download from CNIB and read it. Does anything do that? I guess if I had to I would back translate them but that seems like a wasted step. Best, erik burggraaf A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. Phone: 888-255-5194 Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com On 3-Jul-09, at 6:58 PM, Greg Kearney wrote: Do you want to back translate brf files to text? If so Louis will do that for you. Greg Kearney On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 1:37 AM, erik burggraafe...@erik- burggraaf.com wrote: Hi friends, I've just sifted a few pages of google results, but I haven't been able to find a brf reader for Mac OS. Can some one point me to it please? Thanks, erik burggraaf A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. Phone: 888-255-5194 Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com -- Gregory Kearney Manager Accessible Media Association for the Blind of Western Australia 61 Kitchener Ave. Victoria Park 6100 Western Australia --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: brf reader
translate it. But if Louis will back translate the thing, won't it just open up nicely and allow me to read without any palaver? And if you have to back translate to ge access to a brf file, then what is the point of having brf files in the first place? Maybe I should just stick to doing this on my phone, but I saw a friend of mine using his braille display on his mac and it looked very inspiring. Especially given that snowleppard will support bluetooth conectivity for braille displays. Best, erik burggraaf A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. Phone: 888-255-5194 Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com On 3-Jul-09, at 8:19 PM, Josh de Lioncourt wrote: Back translating is really the best way to go. I mean, if you're reading with a braille display, TextEdit or any other text editing program should do the trick for you. If you want the TTS to read it, then what you're looking for is an app to do back translation on the fly. Either way, it amounts to the same. Personally, I'd prefer to just back translate it and get on with the business of reading it normally. That will also allow for easy searching of the text with standard find functions, and such. Louis works great for back translating. On Jul 3, 2009, at 4:06 PM, erik burggraaf wrote: Well, no, I just want to hit command O on a brf file that I download from CNIB and read it. Does anything do that? I guess if I had to I would back translate them but that seems like a wasted step. Best, erik burggraaf A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. Phone: 888-255-5194 Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com On 3-Jul-09, at 6:58 PM, Greg Kearney wrote: Do you want to back translate brf files to text? If so Louis will do that for you. Greg Kearney On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 1:37 AM, erik burggraafe...@erik- burggraaf.com wrote: Hi friends, I've just sifted a few pages of google results, but I haven't been able to find a brf reader for Mac OS. Can some one point me to it please? Thanks, erik burggraaf A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. Phone: 888-255-5194 Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com -- Gregory Kearney Manager Accessible Media Association for the Blind of Western Australia 61 Kitchener Ave. Victoria Park 6100 Western Australia --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: brf reader
in braille from your mac like people do when they put them on something like a braille note? That's fair enough, some people like reading braille over listening to spoken word. Pointless or not, brf seems to be the file of choice by groups who provide electronic access to their libries for braille content. There's nothing wrong with wanting to read a book in braille via a braille display, note taker or whatever. Having said this though, I've gotta say I'm with Josh and find it faster and just more enjoyable to have whatever it is read to me and wish that the different programs who offer etexts to us would offer a HTML or TXT version along with the BRF version. But then you run into all that copyright stuff so I guess you deal with things as they are. : smile : Am I kind of right? Or have I missed the mark altogether? Best regards Jenny On 7/4/09, Josh de Lioncourt overl...@lioncourt.com wrote: With the advent of grade 2 translation in screen readers for English, the point of BRF files is basically non-existent. They only were ever there because, initially, screen readers didn't translate into grade 2, so BRF files were a convenient way to read books without the painful necessity of reading them in computer Braille, (AKA Grade 0). These days, BRF is convenient on some note taking devices, though hardlya necessity. It serves now, or so it seems to me, as a sort of quasi-DRM. They figure sighted users who might get hold of such files won't know how to read them, and therefore will not pirate them. If I was so fortunate to be able to afford a ridiculously overpriced Braille display, (LOL), I wouldn't bother with BRF at all. I think they are far more trouble than they are worth. I have always, and expect I always will, back translate BRF files to read them, regardless of them method. The only other use for BRF files, really, is if you plan on printing to a Braille hard copy. But really, who is going to do that? LOL. On Jul 4, 2009, at 7:11 AM, erik burggraaf wrote: OK ppl. Here's what I'm reading. If I want to grab a fantasy novel from CNIB library in BRF format and read the thing, I first have to back translate it. But if Louis will back translate the thing, won't it just open up nicely and allow me to read without any palaver? And if you have to back translate to ge access to a brf file, then what is the point of having brf files in the first place? Maybe I should just stick to doing this on my phone, but I saw a friend of mine using his braille display on his mac and it looked very inspiring. Especially given that snowleppard will support bluetooth conectivity for braille displays. Best, erik burggraaf A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. Phone: 888-255-5194 Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com On 3-Jul-09, at 8:19 PM, Josh de Lioncourt wrote: Back translating is really the best way to go. I mean, if you're reading with a braille display, TextEdit or any other text editing program should do the trick for you. If you want the TTS to read it, then what you're looking for is an app to do back translation on the fly. Either way, it amounts to the same. Personally, I'd prefer to just back translate it and get on with the business of reading it normally. That will also allow for easy searching of the text with standard find functions, and such. Louis works great for back translating. On Jul 3, 2009, at 4:06 PM, erik burggraaf wrote: Well, no, I just want to hit command O on a brf file that I download from CNIB and read it. Does anything do that? I guess if I had to I would back translate them but that seems like a wasted step. Best, erik burggraaf A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. Phone: 888-255-5194 Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com On 3-Jul-09, at 6:58 PM, Greg Kearney wrote: Do you want to back translate brf files to text? If so Louis will do that for you. Greg Kearney On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 1:37 AM, erik burggraafe...@erik- burggraaf.com wrote: Hi friends, I've just sifted a few pages of google results, but I haven't been able to find a brf reader for Mac OS. Can some one point me to it please? Thanks, erik burggraaf A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. Phone: 888-255-5194 Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com -- Gregory Kearney Manager Accessible Media Association for the Blind of Western Australia 61 Kitchener Ave. Victoria Park 6100 Western Australia --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: brf reader
of quasi-DRM. They figure sighted users who might get hold of such files won't know how to read them, and therefore will not pirate them. If I was so fortunate to be able to afford a ridiculously overpriced Braille display, (LOL), I wouldn't bother with BRF at all. I think they are far more trouble than they are worth. I have always, and expect I always will, back translate BRF files to read them, regardless of them method. The only other use for BRF files, really, is if you plan on printing to a Braille hard copy. But really, who is going to do that? LOL. On Jul 4, 2009, at 7:11 AM, erik burggraaf wrote: OK ppl. Here's what I'm reading. If I want to grab a fantasy novel from CNIB library in BRF format and read the thing, I first have to back translate it. But if Louis will back translate the thing, won't it just open up nicely and allow me to read without any palaver? And if you have to back translate to ge access to a brf file, then what is the point of having brf files in the first place? Maybe I should just stick to doing this on my phone, but I saw a friend of mine using his braille display on his mac and it looked very inspiring. Especially given that snowleppard will support bluetooth conectivity for braille displays. Best, erik burggraaf A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. Phone: 888-255-5194 Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com On 3-Jul-09, at 8:19 PM, Josh de Lioncourt wrote: Back translating is really the best way to go. I mean, if you're reading with a braille display, TextEdit or any other text editing program should do the trick for you. If you want the TTS to read it, then what you're looking for is an app to do back translation on the fly. Either way, it amounts to the same. Personally, I'd prefer to just back translate it and get on with the business of reading it normally. That will also allow for easy searching of the text with standard find functions, and such. Louis works great for back translating. On Jul 3, 2009, at 4:06 PM, erik burggraaf wrote: Well, no, I just want to hit command O on a brf file that I download from CNIB and read it. Does anything do that? I guess if I had to I would back translate them but that seems like a wasted step. Best, erik burggraaf A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. Phone: 888-255-5194 Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com On 3-Jul-09, at 6:58 PM, Greg Kearney wrote: Do you want to back translate brf files to text? If so Louis will do that for you. Greg Kearney On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 1:37 AM, erik burggraafe...@erik- burggraaf.com wrote: Hi friends, I've just sifted a few pages of google results, but I haven't been able to find a brf reader for Mac OS. Can some one point me to it please? Thanks, erik burggraaf A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. Phone: 888-255-5194 Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com -- Gregory Kearney Manager Accessible Media Association for the Blind of Western Australia 61 Kitchener Ave. Victoria Park 6100 Western Australia --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: brf reader
Hi, Text Edit does this automatically. Just chose TE as the the default application for BRF. Regards, Alex, On 4-Jul-09, at 10:15 AM, Jenny Kennedy wrote: Ah Eric, I think I see your point? It looks as if the CNIB has what the NLS calls web braille. You just want to grab the books that come in the web braille brf format and read them in braille from your mac like people do when they put them on something like a braille note? That's fair enough, some people like reading braille over listening to spoken word. Pointless or not, brf seems to be the file of choice by groups who provide electronic access to their libries for braille content. There's nothing wrong with wanting to read a book in braille via a braille display, note taker or whatever. Having said this though, I've gotta say I'm with Josh and find it faster and just more enjoyable to have whatever it is read to me and wish that the different programs who offer etexts to us would offer a HTML or TXT version along with the BRF version. But then you run into all that copyright stuff so I guess you deal with things as they are. : smile : Am I kind of right? Or have I missed the mark altogether? Best regards Jenny On 7/4/09, Josh de Lioncourt overl...@lioncourt.com wrote: With the advent of grade 2 translation in screen readers for English, the point of BRF files is basically non-existent. They only were ever there because, initially, screen readers didn't translate into grade 2, so BRF files were a convenient way to read books without the painful necessity of reading them in computer Braille, (AKA Grade 0). These days, BRF is convenient on some note taking devices, though hardlya necessity. It serves now, or so it seems to me, as a sort of quasi-DRM. They figure sighted users who might get hold of such files won't know how to read them, and therefore will not pirate them. If I was so fortunate to be able to afford a ridiculously overpriced Braille display, (LOL), I wouldn't bother with BRF at all. I think they are far more trouble than they are worth. I have always, and expect I always will, back translate BRF files to read them, regardless of them method. The only other use for BRF files, really, is if you plan on printing to a Braille hard copy. But really, who is going to do that? LOL. On Jul 4, 2009, at 7:11 AM, erik burggraaf wrote: OK ppl. Here's what I'm reading. If I want to grab a fantasy novel from CNIB library in BRF format and read the thing, I first have to back translate it. But if Louis will back translate the thing, won't it just open up nicely and allow me to read without any palaver? And if you have to back translate to ge access to a brf file, then what is the point of having brf files in the first place? Maybe I should just stick to doing this on my phone, but I saw a friend of mine using his braille display on his mac and it looked very inspiring. Especially given that snowleppard will support bluetooth conectivity for braille displays. Best, erik burggraaf A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. Phone: 888-255-5194 Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com On 3-Jul-09, at 8:19 PM, Josh de Lioncourt wrote: Back translating is really the best way to go. I mean, if you're reading with a braille display, TextEdit or any other text editing program should do the trick for you. If you want the TTS to read it, then what you're looking for is an app to do back translation on the fly. Either way, it amounts to the same. Personally, I'd prefer to just back translate it and get on with the business of reading it normally. That will also allow for easy searching of the text with standard find functions, and such. Louis works great for back translating. On Jul 3, 2009, at 4:06 PM, erik burggraaf wrote: Well, no, I just want to hit command O on a brf file that I download from CNIB and read it. Does anything do that? I guess if I had to I would back translate them but that seems like a wasted step. Best, erik burggraaf A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. Phone: 888-255-5194 Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com On 3-Jul-09, at 6:58 PM, Greg Kearney wrote: Do you want to back translate brf files to text? If so Louis will do that for you. Greg Kearney On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 1:37 AM, erik burggraafe...@erik- burggraaf.com wrote: Hi friends, I've just sifted a few pages of google results, but I haven't been able to find a brf reader for Mac OS. Can some one point me to it please? Thanks, erik burggraaf A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. Phone: 888-255-5194 Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com -- Gregory Kearney Manager Accessible Media Association for the Blind of Western Australia 61 Kitchener Ave. Victoria Park 6100 Western Australia --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you
Re: brf reader
that? LOL. On Jul 4, 2009, at 7:11 AM, erik burggraaf wrote: OK ppl. Here's what I'm reading. If I want to grab a fantasy novel from CNIB library in BRF format and read the thing, I first have to back translate it. But if Louis will back translate the thing, won't it just open up nicely and allow me to read without any palaver? And if you have to back translate to ge access to a brf file, then what is the point of having brf files in the first place? Maybe I should just stick to doing this on my phone, but I saw a friend of mine using his braille display on his mac and it looked very inspiring. Especially given that snowleppard will support bluetooth conectivity for braille displays. Best, erik burggraaf A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. Phone: 888-255-5194 Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com On 3-Jul-09, at 8:19 PM, Josh de Lioncourt wrote: Back translating is really the best way to go. I mean, if you're reading with a braille display, TextEdit or any other text editing program should do the trick for you. If you want the TTS to read it, then what you're looking for is an app to do back translation on the fly. Either way, it amounts to the same. Personally, I'd prefer to just back translate it and get on with the business of reading it normally. That will also allow for easy searching of the text with standard find functions, and such. Louis works great for back translating. On Jul 3, 2009, at 4:06 PM, erik burggraaf wrote: Well, no, I just want to hit command O on a brf file that I download from CNIB and read it. Does anything do that? I guess if I had to I would back translate them but that seems like a wasted step. Best, erik burggraaf A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. Phone: 888-255-5194 Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com On 3-Jul-09, at 6:58 PM, Greg Kearney wrote: Do you want to back translate brf files to text? If so Louis will do that for you. Greg Kearney On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 1:37 AM, erik burggraafe...@erik- burggraaf.com wrote: Hi friends, I've just sifted a few pages of google results, but I haven't been able to find a brf reader for Mac OS. Can some one point me to it please? Thanks, erik burggraaf A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. Phone: 888-255-5194 Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com -- Gregory Kearney Manager Accessible Media Association for the Blind of Western Australia 61 Kitchener Ave. Victoria Park 6100 Western Australia --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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, though hardlya necessity. It serves now, or so it seems to me, as a sort of quasi-DRM. They figure sighted users who might get hold of such files won't know how to read them, and therefore will not pirate them. If I was so fortunate to be able to afford a ridiculously overpriced Braille display, (LOL), I wouldn't bother with BRF at all. I think they are far more trouble than they are worth. I have always, and expect I always will, back translate BRF files to read them, regardless of them method. The only other use for BRF files, really, is if you plan on printing to a Braille hard copy. But really, who is going to do that? LOL. On Jul 4, 2009, at 7:11 AM, erik burggraaf wrote: OK ppl. Here's what I'm reading. If I want to grab a fantasy novel from CNIB library in BRF format and read the thing, I first have to back translate it. But if Louis will back translate the thing, won't it just open up nicely and allow me to read without any palaver? And if you have to back translate to ge access to a brf file, then what is the point of having brf files in the first place? Maybe I should just stick to doing this on my phone, but I saw a friend of mine using his braille display on his mac and it looked very inspiring. Especially given that snowleppard will support bluetooth conectivity for braille displays. Best, erik burggraaf A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. Phone: 888-255-5194 Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com On 3-Jul-09, at 8:19 PM, Josh de Lioncourt wrote: Back translating is really the best way to go. I mean, if you're reading with a braille display, TextEdit or any other text editing program should do the trick for you. If you want the TTS to read it, then what you're looking for is an app to do back translation on the fly. Either way, it amounts to the same. Personally, I'd prefer to just back translate it and get on with the business of reading it normally. That will also allow for easy searching of the text with standard find functions, and such. Louis works great for back translating. On Jul 3, 2009, at 4:06 PM, erik burggraaf wrote: Well, no, I just want to hit command O on a brf file that I download from CNIB and read it. Does anything do that? I guess if I had to I would back translate them but that seems like a wasted step. Best, erik burggraaf A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. Phone: 888-255-5194 Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com On 3-Jul-09, at 6:58 PM, Greg Kearney wrote: Do you want to back translate brf files to text? If so Louis will do that for you. Greg Kearney On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 1:37 AM, erik burggraafe...@erik- burggraaf.com wrote: Hi friends, I've just sifted a few pages of google results, but I haven't been able to find a brf reader for Mac OS. Can some one point me to it please? Thanks, erik burggraaf A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. Phone: 888-255-5194 Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com -- Gregory Kearney Manager Accessible Media Association for the Blind of Western Australia 61 Kitchener Ave. Victoria Park 6100 Western Australia --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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is convenient on some note taking devices, though hardlya necessity. It serves now, or so it seems to me, as a sort of quasi-DRM. They figure sighted users who might get hold of such files won't know how to read them, and therefore will not pirate them. If I was so fortunate to be able to afford a ridiculously overpriced Braille display, (LOL), I wouldn't bother with BRF at all. I think they are far more trouble than they are worth. I have always, and expect I always will, back translate BRF files to read them, regardless of them method. The only other use for BRF files, really, is if you plan on printing to a Braille hard copy. But really, who is going to do that? LOL. On Jul 4, 2009, at 7:11 AM, erik burggraaf wrote: OK ppl. Here's what I'm reading. If I want to grab a fantasy novel from CNIB library in BRF format and read the thing, I first have to back translate it. But if Louis will back translate the thing, won't it just open up nicely and allow me to read without any palaver? And if you have to back translate to ge access to a brf file, then what is the point of having brf files in the first place? Maybe I should just stick to doing this on my phone, but I saw a friend of mine using his braille display on his mac and it looked very inspiring. Especially given that snowleppard will support bluetooth conectivity for braille displays. Best, erik burggraaf A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. Phone: 888-255-5194 Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com On 3-Jul-09, at 8:19 PM, Josh de Lioncourt wrote: Back translating is really the best way to go. I mean, if you're reading with a braille display, TextEdit or any other text editing program should do the trick for you. If you want the TTS to read it, then what you're looking for is an app to do back translation on the fly. Either way, it amounts to the same. Personally, I'd prefer to just back translate it and get on with the business of reading it normally. That will also allow for easy searching of the text with standard find functions, and such. Louis works great for back translating. On Jul 3, 2009, at 4:06 PM, erik burggraaf wrote: Well, no, I just want to hit command O on a brf file that I download from CNIB and read it. Does anything do that? I guess if I had to I would back translate them but that seems like a wasted step. Best, erik burggraaf A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. Phone: 888-255-5194 Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com On 3-Jul-09, at 6:58 PM, Greg Kearney wrote: Do you want to back translate brf files to text? If so Louis will do that for you. Greg Kearney On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 1:37 AM, erik burggraafe...@erik- burggraaf.com wrote: Hi friends, I've just sifted a few pages of google results, but I haven't been able to find a brf reader for Mac OS. Can some one point me to it please? Thanks, erik burggraaf A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. Phone: 888-255-5194 Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com -- Gregory Kearney Manager Accessible Media Association for the Blind of Western Australia 61 Kitchener Ave. Victoria Park 6100 Western Australia --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
brf reader
Hi friends, I've just sifted a few pages of google results, but I haven't been able to find a brf reader for Mac OS. Can some one point me to it please? Thanks, erik burggraaf A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. Phone: 888-255-5194 Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: brf reader
Do you want to back translate brf files to text? If so Louis will do that for you. Greg Kearney On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 1:37 AM, erik burggraafe...@erik-burggraaf.com wrote: Hi friends, I've just sifted a few pages of google results, but I haven't been able to find a brf reader for Mac OS. Can some one point me to it please? Thanks, erik burggraaf A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. Phone: 888-255-5194 Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com -- Gregory Kearney Manager Accessible Media Association for the Blind of Western Australia 61 Kitchener Ave. Victoria Park 6100 Western Australia --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: brf reader
Well, no, I just want to hit command O on a brf file that I download from CNIB and read it. Does anything do that? I guess if I had to I would back translate them but that seems like a wasted step. Best, erik burggraaf A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. Phone: 888-255-5194 Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com On 3-Jul-09, at 6:58 PM, Greg Kearney wrote: Do you want to back translate brf files to text? If so Louis will do that for you. Greg Kearney On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 1:37 AM, erik burggraafe...@erik- burggraaf.com wrote: Hi friends, I've just sifted a few pages of google results, but I haven't been able to find a brf reader for Mac OS. Can some one point me to it please? Thanks, erik burggraaf A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. Phone: 888-255-5194 Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com -- Gregory Kearney Manager Accessible Media Association for the Blind of Western Australia 61 Kitchener Ave. Victoria Park 6100 Western Australia --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: brf reader
Back translating is really the best way to go. I mean, if you're reading with a braille display, TextEdit or any other text editing program should do the trick for you. If you want the TTS to read it, then what you're looking for is an app to do back translation on the fly. Either way, it amounts to the same. Personally, I'd prefer to just back translate it and get on with the business of reading it normally. That will also allow for easy searching of the text with standard find functions, and such. Louis works great for back translating. On Jul 3, 2009, at 4:06 PM, erik burggraaf wrote: Well, no, I just want to hit command O on a brf file that I download from CNIB and read it. Does anything do that? I guess if I had to I would back translate them but that seems like a wasted step. Best, erik burggraaf A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. Phone: 888-255-5194 Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com On 3-Jul-09, at 6:58 PM, Greg Kearney wrote: Do you want to back translate brf files to text? If so Louis will do that for you. Greg Kearney On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 1:37 AM, erik burggraafe...@erik- burggraaf.com wrote: Hi friends, I've just sifted a few pages of google results, but I haven't been able to find a brf reader for Mac OS. Can some one point me to it please? Thanks, erik burggraaf A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. Phone: 888-255-5194 Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com -- Gregory Kearney Manager Accessible Media Association for the Blind of Western Australia 61 Kitchener Ave. Victoria Park 6100 Western Australia --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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Oh this is good. Back translation from BRF files to text files was going to be my next big thing to tackel. Glad there is a program that does this and it's on the same site as one of the daisy book programs. LOL How cool is that? Thanks On 7/3/09, Josh de Lioncourt overl...@lioncourt.com wrote: Back translating is really the best way to go. I mean, if you're reading with a braille display, TextEdit or any other text editing program should do the trick for you. If you want the TTS to read it, then what you're looking for is an app to do back translation on the fly. Either way, it amounts to the same. Personally, I'd prefer to just back translate it and get on with the business of reading it normally. That will also allow for easy searching of the text with standard find functions, and such. Louis works great for back translating. On Jul 3, 2009, at 4:06 PM, erik burggraaf wrote: Well, no, I just want to hit command O on a brf file that I download from CNIB and read it. Does anything do that? I guess if I had to I would back translate them but that seems like a wasted step. Best, erik burggraaf A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. Phone: 888-255-5194 Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com On 3-Jul-09, at 6:58 PM, Greg Kearney wrote: Do you want to back translate brf files to text? If so Louis will do that for you. Greg Kearney On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 1:37 AM, erik burggraafe...@erik- burggraaf.com wrote: Hi friends, I've just sifted a few pages of google results, but I haven't been able to find a brf reader for Mac OS. Can some one point me to it please? Thanks, erik burggraaf A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. Phone: 888-255-5194 Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com -- Gregory Kearney Manager Accessible Media Association for the Blind of Western Australia 61 Kitchener Ave. Victoria Park 6100 Western Australia --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
