RE: iPhone, my first impression
Hi Christina, I've both witched to an iphone and then back to a nokia. And mainly because of the ease of use that a nokia gives you. My nokia n86 will do everything the iphone does, but uses keys rather than touch panel. Don't get me wrong, the IPhone is a great device and it should be looked at as an accessible device. But the nokia was just easier to use while on the go. The best thing to do is to try the iphone in store and also to look at a number of the nokias that are available on the market and see which one takes your fancy if at all. Your own thoughts and opinions are the most reliable. The iphone is great but it may not be wat you want in the long run. Cheers Simon F -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christina Sent: Friday, 2 October 2009 6:46 a.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: iPhone, my first impression Hi, I'm considering getting an iphone. I've never had an accessible phone. The only thing I've ever been able to do with a cell is place or answer a call. I'd like to be able to do more like use contacts, calendar, and caller id. Since, you've switched from Nokia to iphone would you go back? Do you feel you can do everything and more with the iphone or are there some aspects and features of the Nokias that you miss that I should consider? Are Nokias and the third party text to speech software compatible with the mac? I'm also wondering if I should wait until next summer to purchase an iphone. I wonder what features and such apple is working on for the phone next year. Thanks, Christina On Oct 1, 2009, at 2:47 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: Hi there, I come from the Nokia world myself, and i have found no problems phoning folks while out and about. With some training, you should be able to master the virtual keybord quite well and as for phoning, there's at least 3 ways of doing it. 1: use the dial pad, a little slow in the beginning, but it works. 2: use your contacts list, it's reachable either by itself by going into contacts or by pressing the contacts button from the phone app. 3: use voice control, works both with numbers in your address book and numbers not yet there. Hope this helps somewhat. /Krister 1 okt 2009 kl. 01.00 skrev Jean-Philippe Rykiel: Dear all, The first thing I saw, sorry, heard, was a demo video on Apple's accessibility page. It was really impressive, and I already knew that mastering such a revolutionary interface could not be achieved in a day. Well, never mind, I was excited enough to start calling shop after shop in Paris to see if there was one available to try out. And so here I was, this very morning, in a phone store in Paris, my hands on this new magic toy. I was glad I had read part of the instructions before I came, and activating voice-over on the iPhone was quite easy, much to the astonishment of the vendor. I started fiddling and was soon surprised about how quickly I was able to make friend with the objects on the object. It's really fun to manipulate indeed. Unfortunately, it was impossible to take the iPhone for a walk as it was stock inside a kind of anti-theft display case and so I tried to imagine how I would use the iPhone as I'm currently using my Nokia. And that's where I think I found a limitation to this wonderful interface. Don't misunderstand me, I absolutely admire the technical prowess, but you see, the first thing I need a phone for is to phone people. With a physical keyboard, it is actually possible to dial a number while walking in the street and holding the phone in one hand, same for SMS. The problem with the iPhone is that you can't rely on tactile information at all, and I'm afraid that using voice- over for something as simple as dialling or typing text can only be slower than using a physical keyboard. So my bottom line is that the iPhone is probably a wonderful pocket computer that can be used as a phone, but I don't see it as the ideal tool for actually calling people. This sensation I want to share with you only came after 15 minutes of playing with the iPhone and I would love to know what someone who's been using it for a longer time thinks . Cheers, JPR http://myspace.com/jeanphilipperykiel --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: iPhone, my first impression
Hi, I've got a Nokia N95 at the moment, and I haven't seen any reasons to switch just yet. It does what I need it to do, and I use my Mac often compared to a mobile phone. I never use its internet capabilities or anything of the sort. In fact, I'm not a big mobile user. I rarely do text messaging, even though I have plenty of contacts on my phone, though I do use its calendar quite frequently. Yes, the iPhone is an incredible device, in my opinion. I tried it, and I loved it. But it hit me that the Nokia I currently possess has the abilities I need already, and they work perfectly fine. Why would I need a device that's practically a PDA? I love how many apps you can obtain for the iPhone. I love the open- mindedness with which many of the developers seem to tackle accessibility or accessibility improvements in their applications. I love integrated speech. The only thing you're required to do when you get the phone, is to enable it, something I've been looking forward to for years. If I was offered a free iPhone, for whatever reason, though it is probably extremely unlikely, I would jump at the chance. I think I'd almost squeal with excitement. Just like I did with the Macintosh a little more than two months ago when I walked out of the store. I was already reinstalling it on my way to the car. I had to because it was a showroom floor Mac, and I wanted to get the junk off it. I didn't care if I had to reinstall it, or, for that matter, of the fact it was a showroom floor Mac. When you get something new, even if it has the features you already know and can use with ease, of course you'll still be excited. I know that definitely applies to me, although I don't need an iPhone at all. For some people, though, I guess the iPhone is faster to use. For those who require constant communication on the go where e-mail, messaging and so on is concerned, I guess I can see the brilliance factor with GMail. That definitely is neat. I would buy an iPhone, just to be on top of things and to have what a lot of people have. But in my case, it's currently an unnecessary amount of money to spend on something I already have. Sure, I guess it would be handy with all the push alerts and so on, definitely. And, again, that some of the apps seem to be accessible even without the author thinking of accessibility is great. While this might also be true for the Symbian-based phones and so on, it might not work as well, and I know that the applications I have tried certainly haven't provided much in terms of accessibility whatsoever. I'd get an iPhone, but I need my own personal legitimate reason to obtain one, whether it's a justification for getting an iPhone or a logical reason that would improve my productivity. Yes, I love the iPhone. I like how responsive it is. I like the touchscreen interface, and that's easy to get used to for me because of the trackpad on my Macbook. But I haven't thought of a reason for getting one yet. I might, someday. But not now. I don't need it. I'd definitely recommend trying an iPhone, and possibly considering whether or not it'll make you more productive, and why you need an iPhone. That's definitely what I am looking at here. Jeez, I should stop writing these lengthy boring posts. *chuckles* I bet none of you read just halfway through this. :P Regards, Nic On Oct 5, 2009, at 8:32 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: Hi Christina, I've both witched to an iphone and then back to a nokia. And mainly because of the ease of use that a nokia gives you. My nokia n86 will do everything the iphone does, but uses keys rather than touch panel. Don't get me wrong, the IPhone is a great device and it should be looked at as an accessible device. But the nokia was just easier to use while on the go. The best thing to do is to try the iphone in store and also to look at a number of the nokias that are available on the market and see which one takes your fancy if at all. Your own thoughts and opinions are the most reliable. The iphone is great but it may not be wat you want in the long run. Cheers Simon F -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christina Sent: Friday, 2 October 2009 6:46 a.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: iPhone, my first impression Hi, I'm considering getting an iphone. I've never had an accessible phone. The only thing I've ever been able to do with a cell is place or answer a call. I'd like to be able to do more like use contacts, calendar, and caller id. Since, you've switched from Nokia to iphone would you go back? Do you feel you can do everything and more with the iphone or are there some aspects and features of the Nokias that you miss that I should consider? Are Nokias and the third party text to speech software compatible with the mac? I'm also
Re: iPhone, my first impression
You know, since both devices have Bluetooth capability, I've been wondering whether it would be possible to use a bluetooth keyboard with the Touch or the iPhone? I'm not having a problem entering text or using the touch screen myself, but it's just something I've been wondering about. On Oct 5, 2009, at 3:36 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hi, I've got a Nokia N95 at the moment, and I haven't seen any reasons to switch just yet. It does what I need it to do, and I use my Mac often compared to a mobile phone. I never use its internet capabilities or anything of the sort. In fact, I'm not a big mobile user. I rarely do text messaging, even though I have plenty of contacts on my phone, though I do use its calendar quite frequently. Yes, the iPhone is an incredible device, in my opinion. I tried it, and I loved it. But it hit me that the Nokia I currently possess has the abilities I need already, and they work perfectly fine. Why would I need a device that's practically a PDA? I love how many apps you can obtain for the iPhone. I love the open- mindedness with which many of the developers seem to tackle accessibility or accessibility improvements in their applications. I love integrated speech. The only thing you're required to do when you get the phone, is to enable it, something I've been looking forward to for years. If I was offered a free iPhone, for whatever reason, though it is probably extremely unlikely, I would jump at the chance. I think I'd almost squeal with excitement. Just like I did with the Macintosh a little more than two months ago when I walked out of the store. I was already reinstalling it on my way to the car. I had to because it was a showroom floor Mac, and I wanted to get the junk off it. I didn't care if I had to reinstall it, or, for that matter, of the fact it was a showroom floor Mac. When you get something new, even if it has the features you already know and can use with ease, of course you'll still be excited. I know that definitely applies to me, although I don't need an iPhone at all. For some people, though, I guess the iPhone is faster to use. For those who require constant communication on the go where e-mail, messaging and so on is concerned, I guess I can see the brilliance factor with GMail. That definitely is neat. I would buy an iPhone, just to be on top of things and to have what a lot of people have. But in my case, it's currently an unnecessary amount of money to spend on something I already have. Sure, I guess it would be handy with all the push alerts and so on, definitely. And, again, that some of the apps seem to be accessible even without the author thinking of accessibility is great. While this might also be true for the Symbian-based phones and so on, it might not work as well, and I know that the applications I have tried certainly haven't provided much in terms of accessibility whatsoever. I'd get an iPhone, but I need my own personal legitimate reason to obtain one, whether it's a justification for getting an iPhone or a logical reason that would improve my productivity. Yes, I love the iPhone. I like how responsive it is. I like the touchscreen interface, and that's easy to get used to for me because of the trackpad on my Macbook. But I haven't thought of a reason for getting one yet. I might, someday. But not now. I don't need it. I'd definitely recommend trying an iPhone, and possibly considering whether or not it'll make you more productive, and why you need an iPhone. That's definitely what I am looking at here. Jeez, I should stop writing these lengthy boring posts. *chuckles* I bet none of you read just halfway through this. :P Regards, Nic On Oct 5, 2009, at 8:32 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: Hi Christina, I've both witched to an iphone and then back to a nokia. And mainly because of the ease of use that a nokia gives you. My nokia n86 will do everything the iphone does, but uses keys rather than touch panel. Don't get me wrong, the IPhone is a great device and it should be looked at as an accessible device. But the nokia was just easier to use while on the go. The best thing to do is to try the iphone in store and also to look at a number of the nokias that are available on the market and see which one takes your fancy if at all. Your own thoughts and opinions are the most reliable. The iphone is great but it may not be wat you want in the long run. Cheers Simon F -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christina Sent: Friday, 2 October 2009 6:46 a.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: iPhone, my first impression Hi, I'm considering getting an iphone. I've never had an accessible phone. The only thing I've ever been able to do with a cell is place or answer a call. I'd like to be able to do more like use contacts, calendar, and caller id
Re: iPhone, my first impression
On Oct 3, 2009, at 8:39 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hi, Heh. I can definitely see how that can be confusing. Screen curtain? Three-finger double tap? Great idea, though there's no shortcut for that on my mbp, but I could turn the screen brightness all the way to 0. Egun On, Lagunak! (Basque for G'day, Mates) Pete Nalda http://www.myspace.com/musikonalda --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: iPhone, my first impression
On Oct 2, 2009, at 3:37 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hi, To the comment about blind people using a touchscreen. I know a couple of sighted people who don't find it such a good experience, either, so I guess it applies to blind and sighted folks alike. It also applies to people with partial sight too. I'm having a hard time forcing myself to both not rely on what vision I have while using the trackpad on my mbp or using the touch screen of an ipod touch or iphone. I don't have the latter though so I can't get used to it there. But still, the feature is available on my mbp. I get into trackpad commander and panic with things start moving really fast. Egun On, Lagunak! (Basque for G'day, Mates) Pete Nalda http://www.myspace.com/musikonalda --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: iPhone, my first impression
Hi, Heh. I can definitely see how that can be confusing. Screen curtain? Three-finger double tap? Regards, Nic On Oct 3, 2009, at 3:33 PM, Pete Nalda wrote: On Oct 2, 2009, at 3:37 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hi, To the comment about blind people using a touchscreen. I know a couple of sighted people who don't find it such a good experience, either, so I guess it applies to blind and sighted folks alike. It also applies to people with partial sight too. I'm having a hard time forcing myself to both not rely on what vision I have while using the trackpad on my mbp or using the touch screen of an ipod touch or iphone. I don't have the latter though so I can't get used to it there. But still, the feature is available on my mbp. I get into trackpad commander and panic with things start moving really fast. Egun On, Lagunak! (Basque for G'day, Mates) Pete Nalda http://www.myspace.com/musikonalda --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: iPhone, my first impression
i am waiting since here in the UK more networks will be carrying the IPhone I am pleased i can use the product in french to On 1 Oct 2009, at 22:10, Jean-Philippe Rykiel wrote: Dear Christina, if I had to choose today I think I would go for an iPhone. I'm very happy with my Nokia for now and I think that the touchscreen interface is as disconcerting as it is seducing. But one thing you should consider is that if you want to get the same features from a Nokia, including the GPS and a text-to-speech software, it would also be more expensive than the iPhone. Now, about waiting, I would say it depends on how patient you are. I waited for windows XP to get me a PC and I'm very glad I didn't have to go through all the pre-XP nightmare. I also think that folks who will start using the Mac with snow leopard will be very lucky. I read in an article that Apple was working on some new kind of touchscreen with sensitive feedback. I don't know how far they've been, but that was in some computer magazine a year ago so it's no secret. That would be nice wouldn't it. Cheers, JPR http://myspace.com/jeanphilipperykiel - Original Message - From: Christina To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 7:45 PM Subject: Re: iPhone, my first impression Hi, I'm considering getting an iphone. I've never had an accessible phone. The only thing I've ever been able to do with a cell is place or answer a call. I'd like to be able to do more like use contacts, calendar, and caller id. Since, you've switched from Nokia to iphone would you go back? Do you feel you can do everything and more with the iphone or are there some aspects and features of the Nokias that you miss that I should consider? Are Nokias and the third party text to speech software compatible with the mac? I'm also wondering if I should wait until next summer to purchase an iphone. I wonder what features and such apple is working on for the phone next year. Thanks, Christina On Oct 1, 2009, at 2:47 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: Hi there, I come from the Nokia world myself, and i have found no problems phoning folks while out and about. With some training, you should be able to master the virtual keybord quite well and as for phoning, there's at least 3 ways of doing it. 1: use the dial pad, a little slow in the beginning, but it works. 2: use your contacts list, it's reachable either by itself by going into contacts or by pressing the contacts button from the phone app. 3: use voice control, works both with numbers in your address book and numbers not yet there. Hope this helps somewhat. /Krister 1 okt 2009 kl. 01.00 skrev Jean-Philippe Rykiel: Dear all, The first thing I saw, sorry, heard, was a demo video on Apple's accessibility page. It was really impressive, and I already knew that mastering such a revolutionary interface could not be achieved in a day. Well, never mind, I was excited enough to start calling shop after shop in Paris to see if there was one available to try out. And so here I was, this very morning, in a phone store in Paris, my hands on this new magic toy. I was glad I had read part of the instructions before I came, and activating voice-over on the iPhone was quite easy, much to the astonishment of the vendor. I started fiddling and was soon surprised about how quickly I was able to make friend with the objects on the object. It's really fun to manipulate indeed. Unfortunately, it was impossible to take the iPhone for a walk as it was stock inside a kind of anti-theft display case and so I tried to imagine how I would use the iPhone as I'm currently using my Nokia. And that's where I think I found a limitation to this wonderful interface. Don't misunderstand me, I absolutely admire the technical prowess, but you see, the first thing I need a phone for is to phone people. With a physical keyboard, it is actually possible to dial a number while walking in the street and holding the phone in one hand, same for SMS. The problem with the iPhone is that you can't rely on tactile information at all, and I'm afraid that using voice- over for something as simple as dialling or typing text can only be slower than using a physical keyboard. So my bottom line is that the iPhone is probably a wonderful pocket computer that can be used as a phone, but I don't see it as the ideal tool for actually calling people. This sensation I want to share with you only came after 15 minutes of playing with the iPhone and I would love to know what someone who's been using it for a longer time thinks . Cheers, JPR http://myspace.com/jeanphilipperykiel --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group
Re: iPhone, my first impression
Hi, To the comment about blind people using a touchscreen. I know a couple of sighted people who don't find it such a good experience, either, so I guess it applies to blind and sighted folks alike. I'm using a trackpad on my Macbook when doing most of my work, and at first when I heard about it, I thought I wouldn't like it at all. But I'm absolutely loving the experience, and trying the same set of gestures on the iPhone just made me love it even more. I found typing of particular interest, since this is not something you can do on a trackpad. That was most certainly different. A strange experience. I don't have an iPhone, but I have tried an iPhone on numerous occasions. i'd like to have one, though typing is, without a doubt, the most confusing aspect. At least, it is for me. One aspect of a touchscreen that I have always thoroughly enjoyed, on an iPhone or a Macbook, is the concept of being able to touch an item and you'll be moved to the item of interest. It's just incredibly fast. Regards, Nic On Oct 2, 2009, at 3:11 AM, Lynn Schneider wrote: Hi Jean-Philippe. I agree with you that typing on the iPhone is not as fast as with a standard keyboard, but you would be surprised at how proficient you can become with practice. I have the iPod Touch. I have found that one of the tricks to becoming really proficient with the touch screen is learning your applications and where things are on the screen, specifically the distances between things. Just as you are very familiar with where things are in your house, such as how far the furniture is from the walls, etc., you learn to very quickly judge the distances between the numbers and where your icons are on the screen. Another important trick is to get the ergonomics right. I found that when I first started learning to use the touch screen, I was tensing and contorting my hands in a weird way which caused my fingers to sort of spasm a little. You have to find a comfortable position, and learn to relax your hands as much as possible. Since those like me who have been blind from birth have never used a touch screen, it is a new thing and will take a commitment to practice, willingness to learn something totally new and a fair amount of frustration tolerance initially, but perseverance through the learning curve can have a very rewarding outcome. There are easier options out there and I don't think touch screen technology is appropriate for every blind person, but if you have a sense of adventure, are openminded about new things and have the time and willingness to practice, I'd say go for it! On Sep 30, 2009, at 7:00 PM, Jean-Philippe wrote: Dear all, The first thing I saw, sorry, heard, was a demo video on Apple's accessibility page. It was really impressive, and I already knew that mastering such a revolutionary interface could not be achieved in a day. Well, never mind, I was excited enough to start calling shop after shop in Paris to see if there was one available to try out. And so here I was, this very morning, in a phone store in Paris, my hands on this new magic toy. I was glad I had read part of the instructions before I came, and activating voice-over on the iPhone was quite easy, much to the astonishment of the vendor. I started fiddling and was soon surprised about how quickly I was able to make friend with the objects on the object. It's really fun to manipulate indeed. Unfortunately, it was impossible to take the iPhone for a walk as it was stock inside a kind of anti-theft display case and so I tried to imagine how I would use the iPhone as I'm currently using my Nokia. And that's where I think I found a limitation to this wonderful interface. Don't misunderstand me, I absolutely admire the technical prowess, but you see, the first thing I need a phone for is to phone people. With a physical keyboard, it is actually possible to dial a number while walking in the street and holding the phone in one hand, same for SMS. The problem with the iPhone is that you can't rely on tactile information at all, and I'm afraid that using voice-over for something as simple as or typing text can only be slower than using a physical keyboard. So my bottom line is that the iPhone is probably a wonderful pocket computer that can be used as a phone, but I don't see it as the ideal tool for actually calling people. This sensation I want to share with you only came after 15 minutes of playing with the iPhone and I would love to know what someone who's been using it for a longer time thinks . Cheers, JPR http://myspace.com/jeanphilipperykiel --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
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Dear all, I just want to thank you so much for your valuable opinions and testimonials. I'm really glad I met this list. All the best, JPR http://myspace.com/jeanphilipperykiel - Original Message - From: Nicolai Svendsen To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 10:37 AM Subject: Re: iPhone, my first impression Hi, To the comment about blind people using a touchscreen. I know a couple of sighted people who don't find it such a good experience, either, so I guess it applies to blind and sighted folks alike. I'm using a trackpad on my Macbook when doing most of my work, and at first when I heard about it, I thought I wouldn't like it at all. But I'm absolutely loving the experience, and trying the same set of gestures on the iPhone just made me love it even more. I found typing of particular interest, since this is not something you can do on a trackpad. That was most certainly different. A strange experience. I don't have an iPhone, but I have tried an iPhone on numerous occasions. i'd like to have one, though typing is, without a doubt, the most confusing aspect. At least, it is for me. One aspect of a touchscreen that I have always thoroughly enjoyed, on an iPhone or a Macbook, is the concept of being able to touch an item and you'll be moved to the item of interest. It's just incredibly fast. Regards, Nic On Oct 2, 2009, at 3:11 AM, Lynn Schneider wrote: Hi Jean-Philippe. I agree with you that typing on the iPhone is not as fast as with a standard keyboard, but you would be surprised at how proficient you can become with practice. I have the iPod Touch. I have found that one of the tricks to becoming really proficient with the touch screen is learning your applications and where things are on the screen, specifically the distances between things. Just as you are very familiar with where things are in your house, such as how far the furniture is from the walls, etc., you learn to very quickly judge the distances between the numbers and where your icons are on the screen. Another important trick is to get the ergonomics right. I found that when I first started learning to use the touch screen, I was tensing and contorting my hands in a weird way which caused my fingers to sort of spasm a little. You have to find a comfortable position, and learn to relax your hands as much as possible. Since those like me who have been blind from birth have never used a touch screen, it is a new thing and will take a commitment to practice, willingness to learn something totally new and a fair amount of frustration tolerance initially, but perseverance through the learning curve can have a very rewarding outcome. There are easier options out there and I don't think touch screen technology is appropriate for every blind person, but if you have a sense of adventure, are openminded about new things and have the time and willingness to practice, I'd say go for it! On Sep 30, 2009, at 7:00 PM, Jean-Philippe wrote: Dear all, The first thing I saw, sorry, heard, was a demo video on Apple's accessibility page. It was really impressive, and I already knew that mastering such a revolutionary interface could not be achieved in a day. Well, never mind, I was excited enough to start calling shop after shop in Paris to see if there was one available to try out. And so here I was, this very morning, in a phone store in Paris, my hands on this new magic toy. I was glad I had read part of the instructions before I came, and activating voice-over on the iPhone was quite easy, much to the astonishment of the vendor. I started fiddling and was soon surprised about how quickly I was able to make friend with the objects on the object. It's really fun to manipulate indeed. Unfortunately, it was impossible to take the iPhone for a walk as it was stock inside a kind of anti-theft display case and so I tried to imagine how I would use the iPhone as I'm currently using my Nokia. And that's where I think I found a limitation to this wonderful interface. Don't misunderstand me, I absolutely admire the technical prowess, but you see, the first thing I need a phone for is to phone people. With a physical keyboard, it is actually possible to dial a number while walking in the street and holding the phone in one hand, same for SMS. The problem with the iPhone is that you can't rely on tactile information at all, and I'm afraid that using voice-over for something as simple as or typing text can only be slower than using a physical keyboard. So my bottom line is that the iPhone is probably a wonderful pocket computer that can be used as a phone, but I don't see it as the ideal tool for actually calling people. This sensation I want to share with you only came after 15 minutes of playing with the iPhone and I would love to know what someone who's been using
Re: iPhone, my first impression
hi You used it in french then? French is my 2nd language i ahve been learning it since i was six years old i like the french voic On 1 Oct 2009, at 00:00, Jean-Philippe Rykiel wrote: Dear all, The first thing I saw, sorry, heard, was a demo video on Apple's accessibility page. It was really impressive, and I already knew that mastering such a revolutionary interface could not be achieved in a day. Well, never mind, I was excited enough to start calling shop after shop in Paris to see if there was one available to try out. And so here I was, this very morning, in a phone store in Paris, my hands on this new magic toy. I was glad I had read part of the instructions before I came, and activating voice-over on the iPhone was quite easy, much to the astonishment of the vendor. I started fiddling and was soon surprised about how quickly I was able to make friend with the objects on the object. It's really fun to manipulate indeed. Unfortunately, it was impossible to take the iPhone for a walk as it was stock inside a kind of anti-theft display case and so I tried to imagine how I would use the iPhone as I'm currently using my Nokia. And that's where I think I found a limitation to this wonderful interface. Don't misunderstand me, I absolutely admire the technical prowess, but you see, the first thing I need a phone for is to phone people. With a physical keyboard, it is actually possible to dial a number while walking in the street and holding the phone in one hand, same for SMS. The problem with the iPhone is that you can't rely on tactile information at all, and I'm afraid that using voice- over for something as simple as dialling or typing text can only be slower than using a physical keyboard. So my bottom line is that the iPhone is probably a wonderful pocket computer that can be used as a phone, but I don't see it as the ideal tool for actually calling people. This sensation I want to share with you only came after 15 minutes of playing with the iPhone and I would love to know what someone who's been using it for a longer time thinks . Cheers, JPR http://myspace.com/jeanphilipperykiel --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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MessageDear Kevin, voice control is okay if you're alone in a silent place. But generally I don't find it a very discreet feature. I even wonder how voice control has been allowed in a world which is so obsessed with privacy. Cheers, JPR http://myspace.com/jeanphilipperykiel - Original Message - From: Kevin Gibbs To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 6:33 AM Subject: RE: iPhone, my first impression JP, There is a voice command thing that allows you to speak the number you wish to dial. You should try this before you make up your mind. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jean-Philippe Rykiel Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 6:01 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: iPhone, my first impression Dear all, The first thing I saw, sorry, heard, was a demo video on Apple's accessibility page. It was really impressive, and I already knew that mastering such a revolutionary interface could not be achieved in a day. Well, never mind, I was excited enough to start calling shop after shop in Paris to see if there was one available to try out. And so here I was, this very morning, in a phone store in Paris, my hands on this new magic toy. I was glad I had read part of the instructions before I came, and activating voice-over on the iPhone was quite easy, much to the astonishment of the vendor. I started fiddling and was soon surprised about how quickly I was able to make friend with the objects on the object. It's really fun to manipulate indeed. Unfortunately, it was impossible to take the iPhone for a walk as it was stock inside a kind of anti-theft display case and so I tried to imagine how I would use the iPhone as I'm currently using my Nokia. And that's where I think I found a limitation to this wonderful interface. Don't misunderstand me, I absolutely admire the technical prowess, but you see, the first thing I need a phone for is to phone people. With a physical keyboard, it is actually possible to dial a number while walking in the street and holding the phone in one hand, same for SMS. The problem with the iPhone is that you can't rely on tactile information at all, and I'm afraid that using voice-over for something as simple as dialling or typing text can only be slower than using a physical keyboard. So my bottom line is that the iPhone is probably a wonderful pocket computer that can be used as a phone, but I don't see it as the ideal tool for actually calling people. This sensation I want to share with you only came after 15 minutes of playing with the iPhone and I would love to know what someone who's been using it for a longer time thinks . Cheers, JPR http://myspace.com/jeanphilipperykiel --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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Hi there, I come from the Nokia world myself, and i have found no problems phoning folks while out and about. With some training, you should be able to master the virtual keybord quite well and as for phoning, there's at least 3 ways of doing it. 1: use the dial pad, a little slow in the beginning, but it works. 2: use your contacts list, it's reachable either by itself by going into contacts or by pressing the contacts button from the phone app. 3: use voice control, works both with numbers in your address book and numbers not yet there. Hope this helps somewhat. /Krister 1 okt 2009 kl. 01.00 skrev Jean-Philippe Rykiel: Dear all, The first thing I saw, sorry, heard, was a demo video on Apple's accessibility page. It was really impressive, and I already knew that mastering such a revolutionary interface could not be achieved in a day. Well, never mind, I was excited enough to start calling shop after shop in Paris to see if there was one available to try out. And so here I was, this very morning, in a phone store in Paris, my hands on this new magic toy. I was glad I had read part of the instructions before I came, and activating voice-over on the iPhone was quite easy, much to the astonishment of the vendor. I started fiddling and was soon surprised about how quickly I was able to make friend with the objects on the object. It's really fun to manipulate indeed. Unfortunately, it was impossible to take the iPhone for a walk as it was stock inside a kind of anti-theft display case and so I tried to imagine how I would use the iPhone as I'm currently using my Nokia. And that's where I think I found a limitation to this wonderful interface. Don't misunderstand me, I absolutely admire the technical prowess, but you see, the first thing I need a phone for is to phone people. With a physical keyboard, it is actually possible to dial a number while walking in the street and holding the phone in one hand, same for SMS. The problem with the iPhone is that you can't rely on tactile information at all, and I'm afraid that using voice- over for something as simple as dialling or typing text can only be slower than using a physical keyboard. So my bottom line is that the iPhone is probably a wonderful pocket computer that can be used as a phone, but I don't see it as the ideal tool for actually calling people. This sensation I want to share with you only came after 15 minutes of playing with the iPhone and I would love to know what someone who's been using it for a longer time thinks . Cheers, JPR http://myspace.com/jeanphilipperykiel --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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Hello JP, A couple of things. First, you can also dial a number by selecting it from contacts. This is quite easy to do while on the move. Second, the iphone has a favorites feature that makes it easy to access numbers you call often. You can add people/places to your favorites list from within contacts. You can set the iphone so that a double-press of the home key opens your favorites list, and then you just select the entry you want, just as you have done with other items on iphone screens. Lastly, and I know this may seem hard to believe, you do get much better with typing/keypad entry over time. For a long time I felt like typing was the iphone's biggest shortcoming, especially That typing while in a moving vehicle was very difficult. That said, just this past weekend my husband and I were driving around and I was trying to send a text message, and I was amazed at how much better I'm able to type while in the car than before. It really was a surprise; I had just assumed that this was a drawback I was going to have to live with. I think the hardest thing to get across to people who are just trying an iphone, is that you really need to give it time, I'd say *at *least a couple of weeks. This is because the interface is so different, and you sometimes have to think differently about how to accomplish a certain task. If you do this, I think you'll find that the iphone works quite well as both a phone and a computer. Cheers, Donna -Original Message- From: Jean-Philippe Rykiel jpryk...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 3:30 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: iPhone, my first impression Dear Kevin, voice control is okay if you're alone in a silent place. But generally I don't find it a very discreet feature. I even wonder how voice control has been allowed in a world which is so obsessed with privacy. Cheers, JPR http://myspace.com/jeanphilipperykiel - Original Message - From: Kevin Gibbs To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 6:33 AM Subject: RE: iPhone, my first impression JP, There is a voice command thing that allows you to speak the number you wish to dial. You should try this before you make up your mind. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jean-Philippe Rykiel Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 6:01 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: iPhone, my first impression Dear all, The first thing I saw, sorry, heard, was a demo video on Apple's accessibility page. It was really impressive, and I already knew that mastering such a revolutionary interface could not be achieved in a day. Well, never mind, I was excited enough to start calling shop after shop in Paris to see if there was one available to try out. And so here I was, this very morning, in a phone store in Paris, my hands on this new magic toy. I was glad I had read part of the instructions before I came, and activating voice-over on the iPhone was quite easy, much to the astonishment of the vendor. I started fiddling and was soon surprised about how quickly I was able to make friend with the objects on the object. It's really fun to manipulate indeed. Unfortunately, it was impossible to take the iPhone for a walk as it was stock inside a kind of anti-theft display case and so I tried to imagine how I would use the iPhone as I'm currently using my Nokia. And that's where I think I found a limitation to this wonderful interface. Don't misunderstand me, I absolutely admire the technical prowess, but you see, the first thing I need a phone for is to phone people. With a physical keyboard, it is actually possible to dial a number while walking in the street and holding the phone in one hand, same for SMS. The problem with the iPhone is that you can't rely on tactile information at all, and I'm afraid that using voice-over for something as simple as dialling or typing text can only be slower than using a physical keyboard. So my bottom line is that the iPhone is probably a wonderful pocket computer that can be used as a phone, but I don't see it as the ideal tool for actually calling people. This sensation I want to share with you only came after 15 minutes of playing with the iPhone and I would love to know what someone who's been using it for a longer time thinks . Cheers, JPR http://myspace.com/jeanphilipperykiel --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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Hi there, i'll answer your questions below: 1 okt 2009 kl. 19.45 skrev Christina: Since, you've switched from Nokia to iphone would you go back? Do you feel you can do everything and more with the iphone or are there some aspects and features of the Nokias that you miss that I should consider? Are Nokias and the third party text to speech software compatible with the mac? I won't go back to using symbian phones, at least that's how i feel right now. There are some features especially in the messaging program that i miss, for example making sms templates and organizing messages in folders, but they are not show stoppers for me, in other words, i could live without them, especially when i have a calendar that is 110 percent accessible, and a clock and loads of other apps, something you don't have to the same extent on the Symbian platform. Plus, why not support a company that's gone more than the extra mile to give us accessibility right out of the box? I'm also wondering if I should wait until next summer to purchase an iphone. I wonder what features and such apple is working on for the phone next year. Why wait? if you wait, you may think that the time is never right, try an Iphone first and see for yourself what you think. If you don't like it, at least then you know from personal experience why. /Krister --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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Thanks so much. :) One of my biggest reasons for wanting an iphone is to support apple and their efforts for the blind and Visually impaired. This is a truly amazing thing for a company to make something accessible right out of the box at no extra cost. Wow! That still amazes me. That is why I switched from the pc to the mac. Well, it is one reason, there were other reasons as well. :) Christina On Oct 1, 2009, at 12:06 PM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: Hi there, i'll answer your questions below: 1 okt 2009 kl. 19.45 skrev Christina: Since, you've switched from Nokia to iphone would you go back? Do you feel you can do everything and more with the iphone or are there some aspects and features of the Nokias that you miss that I should consider? Are Nokias and the third party text to speech software compatible with the mac? I won't go back to using symbian phones, at least that's how i feel right now. There are some features especially in the messaging program that i miss, for example making sms templates and organizing messages in folders, but they are not show stoppers for me, in other words, i could live without them, especially when i have a calendar that is 110 percent accessible, and a clock and loads of other apps, something you don't have to the same extent on the Symbian platform. Plus, why not support a company that's gone more than the extra mile to give us accessibility right out of the box? I'm also wondering if I should wait until next summer to purchase an iphone. I wonder what features and such apple is working on for the phone next year. Why wait? if you wait, you may think that the time is never right, try an Iphone first and see for yourself what you think. If you don't like it, at least then you know from personal experience why. /Krister --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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Dear Christina, if I had to choose today I think I would go for an iPhone. I'm very happy with my Nokia for now and I think that the touchscreen interface is as disconcerting as it is seducing. But one thing you should consider is that if you want to get the same features from a Nokia, including the GPS and a text-to-speech software, it would also be more expensive than the iPhone. Now, about waiting, I would say it depends on how patient you are. I waited for windows XP to get me a PC and I'm very glad I didn't have to go through all the pre-XP nightmare. I also think that folks who will start using the Mac with snow leopard will be very lucky. I read in an article that Apple was working on some new kind of touchscreen with sensitive feedback. I don't know how far they've been, but that was in some computer magazine a year ago so it's no secret. That would be nice wouldn't it. Cheers, JPR http://myspace.com/jeanphilipperykiel - Original Message - From: Christina To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 7:45 PM Subject: Re: iPhone, my first impression Hi, I'm considering getting an iphone. I've never had an accessible phone. The only thing I've ever been able to do with a cell is place or answer a call. I'd like to be able to do more like use contacts, calendar, and caller id. Since, you've switched from Nokia to iphone would you go back? Do you feel you can do everything and more with the iphone or are there some aspects and features of the Nokias that you miss that I should consider? Are Nokias and the third party text to speech software compatible with the mac? I'm also wondering if I should wait until next summer to purchase an iphone. I wonder what features and such apple is working on for the phone next year. Thanks, Christina On Oct 1, 2009, at 2:47 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: Hi there, I come from the Nokia world myself, and i have found no problems phoning folks while out and about. With some training, you should be able to master the virtual keybord quite well and as for phoning, there's at least 3 ways of doing it. 1: use the dial pad, a little slow in the beginning, but it works. 2: use your contacts list, it's reachable either by itself by going into contacts or by pressing the contacts button from the phone app. 3: use voice control, works both with numbers in your address book and numbers not yet there. Hope this helps somewhat. /Krister 1 okt 2009 kl. 01.00 skrev Jean-Philippe Rykiel: Dear all, The first thing I saw, sorry, heard, was a demo video on Apple's accessibility page. It was really impressive, and I already knew that mastering such a revolutionary interface could not be achieved in a day. Well, never mind, I was excited enough to start calling shop after shop in Paris to see if there was one available to try out. And so here I was, this very morning, in a phone store in Paris, my hands on this new magic toy. I was glad I had read part of the instructions before I came, and activating voice-over on the iPhone was quite easy, much to the astonishment of the vendor. I started fiddling and was soon surprised about how quickly I was able to make friend with the objects on the object. It's really fun to manipulate indeed. Unfortunately, it was impossible to take the iPhone for a walk as it was stock inside a kind of anti-theft display case and so I tried to imagine how I would use the iPhone as I'm currently using my Nokia. And that's where I think I found a limitation to this wonderful interface. Don't misunderstand me, I absolutely admire the technical prowess, but you see, the first thing I need a phone for is to phone people. With a physical keyboard, it is actually possible to dial a number while walking in the street and holding the phone in one hand, same for SMS. The problem with the iPhone is that you can't rely on tactile information at all, and I'm afraid that using voice- over for something as simple as dialling or typing text can only be slower than using a physical keyboard. So my bottom line is that the iPhone is probably a wonderful pocket computer that can be used as a phone, but I don't see it as the ideal tool for actually calling people. This sensation I want to share with you only came after 15 minutes of playing with the iPhone and I would love to know what someone who's been using it for a longer time thinks . Cheers, JPR http://myspace.com/jeanphilipperykiel --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr
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JP, the sensitive touchscreen is here. Snow Leopard equipped Macs now have a touchscreen that recognizes the sensation of two or more fingers touching the screen at once. Different actions are executed depending on how many fingers you use. This is true both on the Mac and on the iPhone 3GS. Kevin -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jean-Philippe Rykiel Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 4:11 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: iPhone, my first impression Dear Christina, if I had to choose today I think I would go for an iPhone. I'm very happy with my Nokia for now and I think that the touchscreen interface is as disconcerting as it is seducing. But one thing you should consider is that if you want to get the same features from a Nokia, including the GPS and a text-to-speech software, it would also be more expensive than the iPhone. Now, about waiting, I would say it depends on how patient you are. I waited for windows XP to get me a PC and I'm very glad I didn't have to go through all the pre-XP nightmare. I also think that folks who will start using the Mac with snow leopard will be very lucky. I read in an article that Apple was working on some new kind of touchscreen with sensitive feedback. I don't know how far they've been, but that was in some computer magazine a year ago so it's no secret. That would be nice wouldn't it. Cheers, JPR http://myspace.com/jeanphilipperykiel - Original Message - From: Christina mailto:blindmaclo...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 7:45 PM Subject: Re: iPhone, my first impression Hi, I'm considering getting an iphone. I've never had an accessible phone. The only thing I've ever been able to do with a cell is place or answer a call. I'd like to be able to do more like use contacts, calendar, and caller id. Since, you've switched from Nokia to iphone would you go back? Do you feel you can do everything and more with the iphone or are there some aspects and features of the Nokias that you miss that I should consider? Are Nokias and the third party text to speech software compatible with the mac? I'm also wondering if I should wait until next summer to purchase an iphone. I wonder what features and such apple is working on for the phone next year. Thanks, Christina On Oct 1, 2009, at 2:47 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: Hi there, I come from the Nokia world myself, and i have found no problems phoning folks while out and about. With some training, you should be able to master the virtual keybord quite well and as for phoning, there's at least 3 ways of doing it. 1: use the dial pad, a little slow in the beginning, but it works. 2: use your contacts list, it's reachable either by itself by going into contacts or by pressing the contacts button from the phone app. 3: use voice control, works both with numbers in your address book and numbers not yet there. Hope this helps somewhat. /Krister 1 okt 2009 kl. 01.00 skrev Jean-Philippe Rykiel: Dear all, The first thing I saw, sorry, heard, was a demo video on Apple's accessibility page. It was really impressive, and I already knew that mastering such a revolutionary interface could not be achieved in a day. Well, never mind, I was excited enough to start calling shop after shop in Paris to see if there was one available to try out. And so here I was, this very morning, in a phone store in Paris, my hands on this new magic toy. I was glad I had read part of the instructions before I came, and activating voice-over on the iPhone was quite easy, much to the astonishment of the vendor. I started fiddling and was soon surprised about how quickly I was able to make friend with the objects on the object. It's really fun to manipulate indeed. Unfortunately, it was impossible to take the iPhone for a walk as it was stock inside a kind of anti-theft display case and so I tried to imagine how I would use the iPhone as I'm currently using my Nokia. And that's where I think I found a limitation to this wonderful interface. Don't misunderstand me, I absolutely admire the technical prowess, but you see, the first thing I need a phone for is to phone people. With a physical keyboard, it is actually possible to dial a number while walking in the street and holding the phone in one hand, same for SMS. The problem with the iPhone is that you can't rely on tactile information at all, and I'm afraid that using voice- over for something as simple as dialling or typing text can only be slower than using a physical keyboard. So my bottom line is that the iPhone is probably a wonderful pocket computer that can be used as a phone, but I don't see it as the ideal tool for actually calling people. This sensation I want to share with you only came after 15 minutes of playing with the iPhone and I would love to know what
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Hi, I actually found having a trackpad helps you out a lot when you try out an iPhone, at least in my case since the gestures seem to be rather similar. Not to forget the Practice Gestures thing in 3.1, of course. Accessing that will be as familiar to you as would Keyboard Help in JAWS or Window Eyes on Windows. It provides you information depending on the gesture you perform on the touchscreen, letting you know exactly what it does. It also has hints now to let you know how to use an item, which Snow Leopard implemented as well which is quite handy for new users. Regards, Nic On Oct 1, 2009, at 11:58 PM, Kevin Gibbs wrote: JP, the sensitive touchscreen is here. Snow Leopard equipped Macs now have a touchscreen that recognizes the sensation of two or more fingers touching the screen at once. Different actions are executed depending on how many fingers you use. This is true both on the Mac and on the iPhone 3GS. Kevin -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jean-Philippe Rykiel Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 4:11 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: iPhone, my first impression Dear Christina, if I had to choose today I think I would go for an iPhone. I'm very happy with my Nokia for now and I think that the touchscreen interface is as disconcerting as it is seducing. But one thing you should consider is that if you want to get the same features from a Nokia, including the GPS and a text-to-speech software, it would also be more expensive than the iPhone. Now, about waiting, I would say it depends on how patient you are. I waited for windows XP to get me a PC and I'm very glad I didn't have to go through all the pre-XP nightmare. I also think that folks who will start using the Mac with snow leopard will be very lucky. I read in an article that Apple was working on some new kind of touchscreen with sensitive feedback. I don't know how far they've been, but that was in some computer magazine a year ago so it's no secret. That would be nice wouldn't it. Cheers, JPR http://myspace.com/jeanphilipperykiel - Original Message - From: Christina To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 7:45 PM Subject: Re: iPhone, my first impression Hi, I'm considering getting an iphone. I've never had an accessible phone. The only thing I've ever been able to do with a cell is place or answer a call. I'd like to be able to do more like use contacts, calendar, and caller id. Since, you've switched from Nokia to iphone would you go back? Do you feel you can do everything and more with the iphone or are there some aspects and features of the Nokias that you miss that I should consider? Are Nokias and the third party text to speech software compatible with the mac? I'm also wondering if I should wait until next summer to purchase an iphone. I wonder what features and such apple is working on for the phone next year. Thanks, Christina On Oct 1, 2009, at 2:47 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: Hi there, I come from the Nokia world myself, and i have found no problems phoning folks while out and about. With some training, you should be able to master the virtual keybord quite well and as for phoning, there's at least 3 ways of doing it. 1: use the dial pad, a little slow in the beginning, but it works. 2: use your contacts list, it's reachable either by itself by going into contacts or by pressing the contacts button from the phone app. 3: use voice control, works both with numbers in your address book and numbers not yet there. Hope this helps somewhat. /Krister 1 okt 2009 kl. 01.00 skrev Jean-Philippe Rykiel: Dear all, The first thing I saw, sorry, heard, was a demo video on Apple's accessibility page. It was really impressive, and I already knew that mastering such a revolutionary interface could not be achieved in a day. Well, never mind, I was excited enough to start calling shop after shop in Paris to see if there was one available to try out. And so here I was, this very morning, in a phone store in Paris, my hands on this new magic toy. I was glad I had read part of the instructions before I came, and activating voice-over on the iPhone was quite easy, much to the astonishment of the vendor. I started fiddling and was soon surprised about how quickly I was able to make friend with the objects on the object. It's really fun to manipulate indeed. Unfortunately, it was impossible to take the iPhone for a walk as it was stock inside a kind of anti-theft display case and so I tried to imagine how I would use the iPhone as I'm currently using my Nokia. And that's where I think I found a limitation to this wonderful interface. Don't misunderstand me, I absolutely admire the technical prowess, but you see
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Hi Jean-Philippe. I agree with you that typing on the iPhone is not as fast as with a standard keyboard, but you would be surprised at how proficient you can become with practice. I have the iPod Touch. I have found that one of the tricks to becoming really proficient with the touch screen is learning your applications and where things are on the screen, specifically the distances between things. Just as you are very familiar with where things are in your house, such as how far the furniture is from the walls, etc., you learn to very quickly judge the distances between the numbers and where your icons are on the screen. Another important trick is to get the ergonomics right. I found that when I first started learning to use the touch screen, I was tensing and contorting my hands in a weird way which caused my fingers to sort of spasm a little. You have to find a comfortable position, and learn to relax your hands as much as possible. Since those like me who have been blind from birth have never used a touch screen, it is a new thing and will take a commitment to practice, willingness to learn something totally new and a fair amount of frustration tolerance initially, but perseverance through the learning curve can have a very rewarding outcome. There are easier options out there and I don't think touch screen technology is appropriate for every blind person, but if you have a sense of adventure, are openminded about new things and have the time and willingness to practice, I'd say go for it! On Sep 30, 2009, at 7:00 PM, Jean-Philippe wrote: Dear all, The first thing I saw, sorry, heard, was a demo video on Apple's accessibility page. It was really impressive, and I already knew that mastering such a revolutionary interface could not be achieved in a day. Well, never mind, I was excited enough to start calling shop after shop in Paris to see if there was one available to try out. And so here I was, this very morning, in a phone store in Paris, my hands on this new magic toy. I was glad I had read part of the instructions before I came, and activating voice-over on the iPhone was quite easy, much to the astonishment of the vendor. I started fiddling and was soon surprised about how quickly I was able to make friend with the objects on the object. It's really fun to manipulate indeed. Unfortunately, it was impossible to take the iPhone for a walk as it was stock inside a kind of anti-theft display case and so I tried to imagine how I would use the iPhone as I'm currently using my Nokia. And that's where I think I found a limitation to this wonderful interface. Don't misunderstand me, I absolutely admire the technical prowess, but you see, the first thing I need a phone for is to phone people. With a physical keyboard, it is actually possible to dial a number while walking in the street and holding the phone in one hand, same for SMS. The problem with the iPhone is that you can't rely on tactile information at all, and I'm afraid that using voice- over for something as simple asor typing text can only be slower than using a physical keyboard. So my bottom line is that the iPhone is probably a wonderful pocket computer that can be used as a phone, but I don't see it as the ideal tool for actually calling people. This sensation I want to share with you only came after 15 minutes of playing with the iPhone and I would love to know what someone who's been using it for a longer time thinks . Cheers, JPR http://myspace.com/jeanphilipperykiel --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
iPhone, my first impression
Dear all, The first thing I saw, sorry, heard, was a demo video on Apple's accessibility page. It was really impressive, and I already knew that mastering such a revolutionary interface could not be achieved in a day. Well, never mind, I was excited enough to start calling shop after shop in Paris to see if there was one available to try out. And so here I was, this very morning, in a phone store in Paris, my hands on this new magic toy. I was glad I had read part of the instructions before I came, and activating voice-over on the iPhone was quite easy, much to the astonishment of the vendor. I started fiddling and was soon surprised about how quickly I was able to make friend with the objects on the object. It's really fun to manipulate indeed. Unfortunately, it was impossible to take the iPhone for a walk as it was stock inside a kind of anti-theft display case and so I tried to imagine how I would use the iPhone as I'm currently using my Nokia. And that's where I think I found a limitation to this wonderful interface. Don't misunderstand me, I absolutely admire the technical prowess, but you see, the first thing I need a phone for is to phone people. With a physical keyboard, it is actually possible to dial a number while walking in the street and holding the phone in one hand, same for SMS. The problem with the iPhone is that you can't rely on tactile information at all, and I'm afraid that using voice-over for something as simple as dialling or typing text can only be slower than using a physical keyboard. So my bottom line is that the iPhone is probably a wonderful pocket computer that can be used as a phone, but I don't see it as the ideal tool for actually calling people. This sensation I want to share with you only came after 15 minutes of playing with the iPhone and I would love to know what someone who's been using it for a longer time thinks . Cheers, JPR http://myspace.com/jeanphilipperykiel --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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JP, There is a voice command thing that allows you to speak the number you wish to dial. You should try this before you make up your mind. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jean-Philippe Rykiel Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 6:01 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: iPhone, my first impression Dear all, The first thing I saw, sorry, heard, was a demo video on Apple's accessibility page. It was really impressive, and I already knew that mastering such a revolutionary interface could not be achieved in a day. Well, never mind, I was excited enough to start calling shop after shop in Paris to see if there was one available to try out. And so here I was, this very morning, in a phone store in Paris, my hands on this new magic toy. I was glad I had read part of the instructions before I came, and activating voice-over on the iPhone was quite easy, much to the astonishment of the vendor. I started fiddling and was soon surprised about how quickly I was able to make friend with the objects on the object. It's really fun to manipulate indeed. Unfortunately, it was impossible to take the iPhone for a walk as it was stock inside a kind of anti-theft display case and so I tried to imagine how I would use the iPhone as I'm currently using my Nokia. And that's where I think I found a limitation to this wonderful interface. Don't misunderstand me, I absolutely admire the technical prowess, but you see, the first thing I need a phone for is to phone people. With a physical keyboard, it is actually possible to dial a number while walking in the street and holding the phone in one hand, same for SMS. The problem with the iPhone is that you can't rely on tactile information at all, and I'm afraid that using voice-over for something as simple as dialling or typing text can only be slower than using a physical keyboard. So my bottom line is that the iPhone is probably a wonderful pocket computer that can be used as a phone, but I don't see it as the ideal tool for actually calling people. This sensation I want to share with you only came after 15 minutes of playing with the iPhone and I would love to know what someone who's been using it for a longer time thinks . Cheers, JPR http://myspace.com/jeanphilipperykiel --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
