Re: time for Apple to get a new default voice

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Oh, didn’t realize that.
They haven’t included the swedish voices yet.
Hope they will.
/A
> 17 jun 2015 kl. 08:50 skrev Shawn Krasniuk :
> 
> You guys realize that Nuance bought Loquendo right? Therefore, we already 
> have Loquendo voices on here. They are Alison, Kate and Susan.
> 
> Shawn
> Sent from my White MacBook
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 16, 2015, at 6:30 AM, Jessica Moss > > wrote:
>> 
>> I'd love to have the loquendo voices too, even for the iPhone.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Jun 11, 2015, at 9:51 AM, Anders Holmberg > > wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> As Jonathan mentioned a voice may not be prefered by someone but others may 
>>> like it.
>>> I would like for example to have espeak for mac intergrated into voiceover.
>>> Or the loquendo voices which are really great.
>>> This is something i have been telling apple but it might  be good to remind 
>>> them.
>>> /A
 10 jun 2015 kl. 22:54 skrev Eileen >>> >:
 
 Hello All,
 
 I agree with you Jonathan. An official copy of Eloquence would be just 
 fine with me. I tried Ava and the responsiveness was sluggish in 
 comparison to Alex. Eventually, I needed to switch back to Alex. 
 
 Best,
 Eileen
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jun 10, 2015, at 12:16 PM, Jonathan Mosen >>> > wrote:
 
> Hi Christopher. I think it depends on the hearing loss. I've worked with 
> people for example with a hearing loss who find Alex unintelligible once 
> you go a little above the default rate, but who can have compact Daniel 
> cranked up remarkably fast.
> Personally I'd be delighted to have Eloquence on my Mac because Alex 
> mispronounces far too much for my liking. The moral of the story is the 
> more choice of TTS a screen reader company can offer, the better. Speech 
> is extremely subjective.
> Jonathan Mosen
> Mosen Consulting
> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
> http://Mosen.org 
>> On 11/06/2015, at 6:28 am, christopher hallsworth 
>> mailto:challswor...@icloud.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Might be coming next year . Seriously though, I don't ever want 
>> Apple to remove Alex. He's fantastic for someone with moderately severe 
>> to profound hearing loss which I have. The other voices included are 
>> fine, but doesn't cut it like Alex.
>>> On 10 Jun 2015, at 18:46, Shawn Krasniuk >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Ray. I don't really want Apple to get rid of Alex. I lve the fact 
>>> that he takes breaths and everything. I am with you on one thing 
>>> though, I hope Apple considers making the Siri voices available in El 
>>> Capitan. After all, you can get them for NVDA in Windows so why can't 
>>> it be done on the Mac?
>>> 
>>> Shawn
>>> Sent from my White MacBook
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jun 10, 2015, at 12:07 PM, Ray Foret Jr >>> > wrote:
 
 Subject line pretty much says it all.  Nothing against Alex mind you:  
 but, frankly, I reckon it's high time Apple adopted a new and much 
 more updated default voice.  The new Siri male US English voice might 
 perhaps be a good choice.  Here's hoping we see this one in Elcapitan.
 
 
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray
 
 Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!
 
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Re: time for Apple to get a new default voice

[Shawn Krasniuk]

You guys realize that Nuance bought Loquendo right? Therefore, we already have 
Loquendo voices on here. They are Alison, Kate and Susan.

Shawn
Sent from my White MacBook



> On Jun 16, 2015, at 6:30 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
> 
> I'd love to have the loquendo voices too, even for the iPhone.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jun 11, 2015, at 9:51 AM, Anders Holmberg  > wrote:
> 
>> Hi!
>> As Jonathan mentioned a voice may not be prefered by someone but others may 
>> like it.
>> I would like for example to have espeak for mac intergrated into voiceover.
>> Or the loquendo voices which are really great.
>> This is something i have been telling apple but it might  be good to remind 
>> them.
>> /A
>>> 10 jun 2015 kl. 22:54 skrev Eileen >> >:
>>> 
>>> Hello All,
>>> 
>>> I agree with you Jonathan. An official copy of Eloquence would be just fine 
>>> with me. I tried Ava and the responsiveness was sluggish in comparison to 
>>> Alex. Eventually, I needed to switch back to Alex. 
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> Eileen
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Jun 10, 2015, at 12:16 PM, Jonathan Mosen >> > wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Christopher. I think it depends on the hearing loss. I've worked with 
 people for example with a hearing loss who find Alex unintelligible once 
 you go a little above the default rate, but who can have compact Daniel 
 cranked up remarkably fast.
 Personally I'd be delighted to have Eloquence on my Mac because Alex 
 mispronounces far too much for my liking. The moral of the story is the 
 more choice of TTS a screen reader company can offer, the better. Speech 
 is extremely subjective.
 Jonathan Mosen
 Mosen Consulting
 Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
 http://Mosen.org 
> On 11/06/2015, at 6:28 am, christopher hallsworth 
> mailto:challswor...@icloud.com>> wrote:
> 
> Might be coming next year . Seriously though, I don't ever want 
> Apple to remove Alex. He's fantastic for someone with moderately severe 
> to profound hearing loss which I have. The other voices included are 
> fine, but doesn't cut it like Alex.
>> On 10 Jun 2015, at 18:46, Shawn Krasniuk > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Ray. I don't really want Apple to get rid of Alex. I lve the fact 
>> that he takes breaths and everything. I am with you on one thing though, 
>> I hope Apple considers making the Siri voices available in El Capitan. 
>> After all, you can get them for NVDA in Windows so why can't it be done 
>> on the Mac?
>> 
>> Shawn
>> Sent from my White MacBook
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 10, 2015, at 12:07 PM, Ray Foret Jr >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Subject line pretty much says it all.  Nothing against Alex mind you:  
>>> but, frankly, I reckon it's high time Apple adopted a new and much more 
>>> updated default voice.  The new Siri male US English voice might 
>>> perhaps be a good choice.  Here's hoping we see this one in Elcapitan.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>>> 
>>> Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Mac,
>>> the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in
>>> 
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Re: time for Apple to get a new default voice

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Actually Loquendo is available for mac  developpers but no one has integrated 
it into voiceover.
The same with espeak.
/A
> 16 jun 2015 kl. 20:23 skrev Devin Prater :
> 
> I do think eSpeak would be a good investment for Apple. They do, after all, 
> use other open source products or libraries don't they?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jun 11, 2015, at 8:51 AM, Anders Holmberg  > wrote:
> 
>> Hi!
>> As Jonathan mentioned a voice may not be prefered by someone but others may 
>> like it.
>> I would like for example to have espeak for mac intergrated into voiceover.
>> Or the loquendo voices which are really great.
>> This is something i have been telling apple but it might  be good to remind 
>> them.
>> /A
>>> 10 jun 2015 kl. 22:54 skrev Eileen >> >:
>>> 
>>> Hello All,
>>> 
>>> I agree with you Jonathan. An official copy of Eloquence would be just fine 
>>> with me. I tried Ava and the responsiveness was sluggish in comparison to 
>>> Alex. Eventually, I needed to switch back to Alex. 
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> Eileen
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Jun 10, 2015, at 12:16 PM, Jonathan Mosen >> > wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Christopher. I think it depends on the hearing loss. I've worked with 
 people for example with a hearing loss who find Alex unintelligible once 
 you go a little above the default rate, but who can have compact Daniel 
 cranked up remarkably fast.
 Personally I'd be delighted to have Eloquence on my Mac because Alex 
 mispronounces far too much for my liking. The moral of the story is the 
 more choice of TTS a screen reader company can offer, the better. Speech 
 is extremely subjective.
 Jonathan Mosen
 Mosen Consulting
 Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
 http://Mosen.org 
> On 11/06/2015, at 6:28 am, christopher hallsworth 
> mailto:challswor...@icloud.com>> wrote:
> 
> Might be coming next year . Seriously though, I don't ever want 
> Apple to remove Alex. He's fantastic for someone with moderately severe 
> to profound hearing loss which I have. The other voices included are 
> fine, but doesn't cut it like Alex.
>> On 10 Jun 2015, at 18:46, Shawn Krasniuk > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Ray. I don't really want Apple to get rid of Alex. I lve the fact 
>> that he takes breaths and everything. I am with you on one thing though, 
>> I hope Apple considers making the Siri voices available in El Capitan. 
>> After all, you can get them for NVDA in Windows so why can't it be done 
>> on the Mac?
>> 
>> Shawn
>> Sent from my White MacBook
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 10, 2015, at 12:07 PM, Ray Foret Jr >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Subject line pretty much says it all.  Nothing against Alex mind you:  
>>> but, frankly, I reckon it's high time Apple adopted a new and much more 
>>> updated default voice.  The new Siri male US English voice might 
>>> perhaps be a good choice.  Here's hoping we see this one in Elcapitan.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>>> 
>>> Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Mac,
>>> the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in
>>> 
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Re: time for Apple to get a new default voice

[Devin Prater]

I do think eSpeak would be a good investment for Apple. They do, after all, use 
other open source products or libraries don't they?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 11, 2015, at 8:51 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> As Jonathan mentioned a voice may not be prefered by someone but others may 
> like it.
> I would like for example to have espeak for mac intergrated into voiceover.
> Or the loquendo voices which are really great.
> This is something i have been telling apple but it might  be good to remind 
> them.
> /A
>> 10 jun 2015 kl. 22:54 skrev Eileen :
>> 
>> Hello All,
>> 
>> I agree with you Jonathan. An official copy of Eloquence would be just fine 
>> with me. I tried Ava and the responsiveness was sluggish in comparison to 
>> Alex. Eventually, I needed to switch back to Alex. 
>> 
>> Best,
>> Eileen
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 10, 2015, at 12:16 PM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Christopher. I think it depends on the hearing loss. I've worked with 
>>> people for example with a hearing loss who find Alex unintelligible once 
>>> you go a little above the default rate, but who can have compact Daniel 
>>> cranked up remarkably fast.
>>> Personally I'd be delighted to have Eloquence on my Mac because Alex 
>>> mispronounces far too much for my liking. The moral of the story is the 
>>> more choice of TTS a screen reader company can offer, the better. Speech is 
>>> extremely subjective.
>>> Jonathan Mosen
>>> Mosen Consulting
>>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
>>> http://Mosen.org
>>> 
> On 11/06/2015, at 6:28 am, christopher hallsworth 
>  wrote:
> 
> Might be coming next year . Seriously though, I don't ever want 
> Apple to remove Alex. He's fantastic for someone with moderately severe 
> to profound hearing loss which I have. The other voices included are 
> fine, but doesn't cut it like Alex.
> On 10 Jun 2015, at 18:46, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
> 
> Hi Ray. I don't really want Apple to get rid of Alex. I lve the fact that 
> he takes breaths and everything. I am with you on one thing though, I 
> hope Apple considers making the Siri voices available in El Capitan. 
> After all, you can get them for NVDA in Windows so why can't it be done 
> on the Mac?
> 
> Shawn
> Sent from my White MacBook
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 10, 2015, at 12:07 PM, Ray Foret Jr  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Subject line pretty much says it all.  Nothing against Alex mind you:  
>> but, frankly, I reckon it's high time Apple adopted a new and much more 
>> updated default voice.  The new Siri male US English voice might perhaps 
>> be a good choice.  Here's hoping we see this one in Elcapitan.
>> 
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>> 
>> Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac,
>> the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in
>> 
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Re: time for Apple to get a new default voice

[Jessica Moss]

I'd love to have the loquendo voices too, even for the iPhone.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 11, 2015, at 9:51 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> As Jonathan mentioned a voice may not be prefered by someone but others may 
> like it.
> I would like for example to have espeak for mac intergrated into voiceover.
> Or the loquendo voices which are really great.
> This is something i have been telling apple but it might  be good to remind 
> them.
> /A
>> 10 jun 2015 kl. 22:54 skrev Eileen :
>> 
>> Hello All,
>> 
>> I agree with you Jonathan. An official copy of Eloquence would be just fine 
>> with me. I tried Ava and the responsiveness was sluggish in comparison to 
>> Alex. Eventually, I needed to switch back to Alex. 
>> 
>> Best,
>> Eileen
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 10, 2015, at 12:16 PM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Christopher. I think it depends on the hearing loss. I've worked with 
>>> people for example with a hearing loss who find Alex unintelligible once 
>>> you go a little above the default rate, but who can have compact Daniel 
>>> cranked up remarkably fast.
>>> Personally I'd be delighted to have Eloquence on my Mac because Alex 
>>> mispronounces far too much for my liking. The moral of the story is the 
>>> more choice of TTS a screen reader company can offer, the better. Speech is 
>>> extremely subjective.
>>> Jonathan Mosen
>>> Mosen Consulting
>>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
>>> http://Mosen.org
>>> 
> On 11/06/2015, at 6:28 am, christopher hallsworth 
>  wrote:
> 
> Might be coming next year . Seriously though, I don't ever want 
> Apple to remove Alex. He's fantastic for someone with moderately severe 
> to profound hearing loss which I have. The other voices included are 
> fine, but doesn't cut it like Alex.
> On 10 Jun 2015, at 18:46, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
> 
> Hi Ray. I don't really want Apple to get rid of Alex. I lve the fact that 
> he takes breaths and everything. I am with you on one thing though, I 
> hope Apple considers making the Siri voices available in El Capitan. 
> After all, you can get them for NVDA in Windows so why can't it be done 
> on the Mac?
> 
> Shawn
> Sent from my White MacBook
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 10, 2015, at 12:07 PM, Ray Foret Jr  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Subject line pretty much says it all.  Nothing against Alex mind you:  
>> but, frankly, I reckon it's high time Apple adopted a new and much more 
>> updated default voice.  The new Siri male US English voice might perhaps 
>> be a good choice.  Here's hoping we see this one in Elcapitan.
>> 
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>> 
>> Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac,
>> the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in
>> 
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Re: time for Apple to get a new default voice

[christopher hallsworth]

About Espeak, yeah, especially now Swift will be open source. Just saying in 
case one wishes to compile Espeak in this language.
> On 11 Jun 2015, at 14:51, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> As Jonathan mentioned a voice may not be prefered by someone but others may 
> like it.
> I would like for example to have espeak for mac intergrated into voiceover.
> Or the loquendo voices which are really great.
> This is something i have been telling apple but it might  be good to remind 
> them.
> /A
>> 10 jun 2015 kl. 22:54 skrev Eileen :
>> 
>> Hello All,
>> 
>> I agree with you Jonathan. An official copy of Eloquence would be just fine 
>> with me. I tried Ava and the responsiveness was sluggish in comparison to 
>> Alex. Eventually, I needed to switch back to Alex. 
>> 
>> Best,
>> Eileen
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Jun 10, 2015, at 12:16 PM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Christopher. I think it depends on the hearing loss. I've worked with 
>>> people for example with a hearing loss who find Alex unintelligible once 
>>> you go a little above the default rate, but who can have compact Daniel 
>>> cranked up remarkably fast.
>>> Personally I'd be delighted to have Eloquence on my Mac because Alex 
>>> mispronounces far too much for my liking. The moral of the story is the 
>>> more choice of TTS a screen reader company can offer, the better. Speech is 
>>> extremely subjective.
>>> Jonathan Mosen
>>> Mosen Consulting
>>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
>>> http://Mosen.org
>>> 
 On 11/06/2015, at 6:28 am, christopher hallsworth 
  wrote:
 
 Might be coming next year . Seriously though, I don't ever want 
 Apple to remove Alex. He's fantastic for someone with moderately severe to 
 profound hearing loss which I have. The other voices included are fine, 
 but doesn't cut it like Alex.
> On 10 Jun 2015, at 18:46, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
> 
> Hi Ray. I don't really want Apple to get rid of Alex. I lve the fact that 
> he takes breaths and everything. I am with you on one thing though, I 
> hope Apple considers making the Siri voices available in El Capitan. 
> After all, you can get them for NVDA in Windows so why can't it be done 
> on the Mac?
> 
> Shawn
> Sent from my White MacBook
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 10, 2015, at 12:07 PM, Ray Foret Jr  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Subject line pretty much says it all.  Nothing against Alex mind you:  
>> but, frankly, I reckon it's high time Apple adopted a new and much more 
>> updated default voice.  The new Siri male US English voice might perhaps 
>> be a good choice.  Here's hoping we see this one in Elcapitan.
>> 
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>> 
>> Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac,
>> the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in
>> 
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Re: time for Apple to get a new default voice

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
As Jonathan mentioned a voice may not be prefered by someone but others may 
like it.
I would like for example to have espeak for mac intergrated into voiceover.
Or the loquendo voices which are really great.
This is something i have been telling apple but it might  be good to remind 
them.
/A
> 10 jun 2015 kl. 22:54 skrev Eileen :
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> I agree with you Jonathan. An official copy of Eloquence would be just fine 
> with me. I tried Ava and the responsiveness was sluggish in comparison to 
> Alex. Eventually, I needed to switch back to Alex. 
> 
> Best,
> Eileen
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jun 10, 2015, at 12:16 PM, Jonathan Mosen  > wrote:
> 
>> Hi Christopher. I think it depends on the hearing loss. I've worked with 
>> people for example with a hearing loss who find Alex unintelligible once you 
>> go a little above the default rate, but who can have compact Daniel cranked 
>> up remarkably fast.
>> Personally I'd be delighted to have Eloquence on my Mac because Alex 
>> mispronounces far too much for my liking. The moral of the story is the more 
>> choice of TTS a screen reader company can offer, the better. Speech is 
>> extremely subjective.
>> Jonathan Mosen
>> Mosen Consulting
>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
>> http://Mosen.org 
>>> On 11/06/2015, at 6:28 am, christopher hallsworth >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Might be coming next year . Seriously though, I don't ever want Apple 
>>> to remove Alex. He's fantastic for someone with moderately severe to 
>>> profound hearing loss which I have. The other voices included are fine, but 
>>> doesn't cut it like Alex.
 On 10 Jun 2015, at 18:46, Shawn Krasniuk >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi Ray. I don't really want Apple to get rid of Alex. I lve the fact that 
 he takes breaths and everything. I am with you on one thing though, I hope 
 Apple considers making the Siri voices available in El Capitan. After all, 
 you can get them for NVDA in Windows so why can't it be done on the Mac?
 
 Shawn
 Sent from my White MacBook
 
 
 
> On Jun 10, 2015, at 12:07 PM, Ray Foret Jr  > wrote:
> 
> Subject line pretty much says it all.  Nothing against Alex mind you:  
> but, frankly, I reckon it's high time Apple adopted a new and much more 
> updated default voice.  The new Siri male US English voice might perhaps 
> be a good choice.  Here's hoping we see this one in Elcapitan.
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
> 
> Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!
> 
> Sent from my Mac,
> the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in
> 
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Re: time for Apple to get a new default voice

[Devin Prater]

I think that I’d use Eloquence if it were for mac. We just have to get someone, 
like the person that made it for NVDA, to make it natively for mac.
> On Jun 12, 2015, at 10:49 AM, John D. Lipsey  wrote:
> 
> I like Eloquence well enough, but I would not want it on my mac or iPhone, 
> ever I don’t think.
> 
> For me, Eloquence is windows, Alex is Mac.  Since I do boot into a virtual 
> machine for mudding and the like, I enjoy having my 2 environments with 
> different voices.
> 
> DFTBA!
> 
> John D. Lipsey
> 
> mail: johnl1...@gmail.com
> 
> Twitter: @J_TGL
> 
>> On Jun 11, 2015, at 23:38, Sadam Ahmed  wrote:
>> 
>> Like others on list I've played around with the solution that brings the 
>> Eloquence TTS to the Mac.
>> 
>> As pointed out it's horribly unstable.
>> 
>> If Apple can figure out a way of incorporating Eloquence in the next version 
>> of OS X I'd certainly be interested.
>> 
>> Alex has a very hard time announcing some names in Arabic and Somali my 
>> native languages.
>> 
>> Hope the Siri voices available in iOS 9 make  it into VoiceOver.
>> 
>> To be honest a lot of those voices need to go.
>> 
>> Not a lot has changed in terms of TTS since I got the Mac way back in 2010.
>> 
>> Sadam Ahmed
>> 
>> On 6/12/2015 6:32 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I agree with Shawn.  I've not been a fan of Eloquence ever primarily due to 
>>> how it sounds.  But, to each their own.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Jun 11, 2015, at 14:11, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi. The thing I have against Eloquence and even ESpeak is because they are 
>>> too robotic sounding. Actually, one of the reasons why I moved to the Mac 
>>> back in 2010 is because of Alex. When a friend of mine showed me how he 
>>> took breaths when he reads and when watching Youtube videos with him on 
>>> them, I was impressed with the way he sounded. Bottom line is, I moved to 
>>> the Mac to get away from all robotic voices. Now I'm using Sharon from 
>>> Acapela who I think is the best US English voice they made. In my opinion, 
>>> like it or not, human natural voices are the future for us so I don't think 
>>> Eloquence or eSpeak will ever come on to the Mac, especially if what that 
>>> other poster said is true that Eloquence is discontinued.
>>> 
>>> Shawn
>>> Sent from my White MacBook
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 11, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Jonathan,
>>>> 
>>>> I totally totally agree with you!  If we could get Eloquence on the mac, 
>>>> that would probably be the happiest day of my life!  I am one of those who 
>>>> falls into the category you mentioned regarding Alex.  I can use him, but 
>>>> I have to keep it at the default speaking rate, and even then, with my 
>>>> hearing loss, I have to pay fairly close attention.  Especially if I'm 
>>>> reading say, an entire paragraph or whatever in one chunk.  Again, I can 
>>>> do it, but it's not easy.
>>>> 
>>>> I don't honestly know what so many people have against Eloquence.  Even 
>>>> the Vocalizer voices I can't seem to really understand terribly well.  I 
>>>> can do it, as I said, but not easily.  I can't ramp Eloquence up very 
>>>> fast, but I definitely have it slightly faster than the default both on my 
>>>> JAWS and my Window-eyes.
>>>> 
>>>> I know that Eloquence is also available for NVDA, but not legally, so 
>>>> there went that idea.
>>>> 
>>>> I know there is a port for Eloquence done by Tylor Spivy of Eloquence that 
>>>> works on the mac, but it's a bit tricky to get it working, and is 
>>>> incredibly incredibly unstable.  I used it just long enough to see if it 
>>>> really actually worked, but obviously took it off, 1, when I saw how 
>>>> unstable it was, and 2, due to the fact it's also illegal.  Even had it 
>>>> worked flawlessly, I couldn't have kept it in good concience.
>>>> 
>>>> I agree though, if there was a way to buy a mac ported stable mind you, 
>>>> license for Eloquence, for OSX, I'd do it faster than a blink of an eye! 
>>>> Darn straight I would!  It'

Re: time for Apple to get a new default voice

[John D. Lipsey]

I like Eloquence well enough, but I would not want it on my mac or iPhone, ever 
I don’t think.

For me, Eloquence is windows, Alex is Mac.  Since I do boot into a virtual 
machine for mudding and the like, I enjoy having my 2 environments with 
different voices.

DFTBA!

John D. Lipsey

mail: johnl1...@gmail.com

Twitter: @J_TGL

> On Jun 11, 2015, at 23:38, Sadam Ahmed  wrote:
> 
> Like others on list I've played around with the solution that brings the 
> Eloquence TTS to the Mac.
> 
> As pointed out it's horribly unstable.
> 
> If Apple can figure out a way of incorporating Eloquence in the next version 
> of OS X I'd certainly be interested.
> 
> Alex has a very hard time announcing some names in Arabic and Somali my 
> native languages.
> 
> Hope the Siri voices available in iOS 9 make  it into VoiceOver.
> 
> To be honest a lot of those voices need to go.
> 
> Not a lot has changed in terms of TTS since I got the Mac way back in 2010.
> 
> Sadam Ahmed
> 
> On 6/12/2015 6:32 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I agree with Shawn.  I've not been a fan of Eloquence ever primarily due to 
>> how it sounds.  But, to each their own.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jun 11, 2015, at 14:11, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi. The thing I have against Eloquence and even ESpeak is because they are 
>> too robotic sounding. Actually, one of the reasons why I moved to the Mac 
>> back in 2010 is because of Alex. When a friend of mine showed me how he took 
>> breaths when he reads and when watching Youtube videos with him on them, I 
>> was impressed with the way he sounded. Bottom line is, I moved to the Mac to 
>> get away from all robotic voices. Now I'm using Sharon from Acapela who I 
>> think is the best US English voice they made. In my opinion, like it or not, 
>> human natural voices are the future for us so I don't think Eloquence or 
>> eSpeak will ever come on to the Mac, especially if what that other poster 
>> said is true that Eloquence is discontinued.
>> 
>> Shawn
>> Sent from my White MacBook
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 11, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Jonathan,
>>> 
>>> I totally totally agree with you!  If we could get Eloquence on the mac, 
>>> that would probably be the happiest day of my life!  I am one of those who 
>>> falls into the category you mentioned regarding Alex.  I can use him, but I 
>>> have to keep it at the default speaking rate, and even then, with my 
>>> hearing loss, I have to pay fairly close attention.  Especially if I'm 
>>> reading say, an entire paragraph or whatever in one chunk.  Again, I can do 
>>> it, but it's not easy.
>>> 
>>> I don't honestly know what so many people have against Eloquence.  Even the 
>>> Vocalizer voices I can't seem to really understand terribly well.  I can do 
>>> it, as I said, but not easily.  I can't ramp Eloquence up very fast, but I 
>>> definitely have it slightly faster than the default both on my JAWS and my 
>>> Window-eyes.
>>> 
>>> I know that Eloquence is also available for NVDA, but not legally, so there 
>>> went that idea.
>>> 
>>> I know there is a port for Eloquence done by Tylor Spivy of Eloquence that 
>>> works on the mac, but it's a bit tricky to get it working, and is 
>>> incredibly incredibly unstable.  I used it just long enough to see if it 
>>> really actually worked, but obviously took it off, 1, when I saw how 
>>> unstable it was, and 2, due to the fact it's also illegal.  Even had it 
>>> worked flawlessly, I couldn't have kept it in good concience.
>>> 
>>> I agree though, if there was a way to buy a mac ported stable mind you, 
>>> license for Eloquence, for OSX, I'd do it faster than a blink of an eye! 
>>> Darn straight I would!  It's really about the only synth I can not only 
>>> understand, but comfortably can listen to on and on for hours at a time.
>>> 
>>> Chris.
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - From: "'Kevin Cussick' via MacVisionaries" 
>>> 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 2:17 PM
>>> Subject: Re: time for Apple to get a new default voice
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Well I use Fiona Compact and have it as fast as I can and love it. but
>>> each to there own.
>>> 
>>>

Re: time for Apple to get a new default voice

[Sadam Ahmed]

Like others on list I've played around with the solution that brings the 
Eloquence TTS to the Mac.


As pointed out it's horribly unstable.

If Apple can figure out a way of incorporating Eloquence in the next 
version of OS X I'd certainly be interested.


Alex has a very hard time announcing some names in Arabic and Somali my 
native languages.


Hope the Siri voices available in iOS 9 make  it into VoiceOver.

To be honest a lot of those voices need to go.

Not a lot has changed in terms of TTS since I got the Mac way back in 2010.

Sadam Ahmed

On 6/12/2015 6:32 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

Hi,

I agree with Shawn.  I've not been a fan of Eloquence ever primarily due to how 
it sounds.  But, to each their own.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 11, 2015, at 14:11, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:

Hi. The thing I have against Eloquence and even ESpeak is because they are too 
robotic sounding. Actually, one of the reasons why I moved to the Mac back in 
2010 is because of Alex. When a friend of mine showed me how he took breaths 
when he reads and when watching Youtube videos with him on them, I was 
impressed with the way he sounded. Bottom line is, I moved to the Mac to get 
away from all robotic voices. Now I'm using Sharon from Acapela who I think is 
the best US English voice they made. In my opinion, like it or not, human 
natural voices are the future for us so I don't think Eloquence or eSpeak will 
ever come on to the Mac, especially if what that other poster said is true that 
Eloquence is discontinued.

Shawn
Sent from my White MacBook




On Jun 11, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
wrote:

Jonathan,

I totally totally agree with you!  If we could get Eloquence on the mac, that 
would probably be the happiest day of my life!  I am one of those who falls 
into the category you mentioned regarding Alex.  I can use him, but I have to 
keep it at the default speaking rate, and even then, with my hearing loss, I 
have to pay fairly close attention.  Especially if I'm reading say, an entire 
paragraph or whatever in one chunk.  Again, I can do it, but it's not easy.

I don't honestly know what so many people have against Eloquence.  Even the 
Vocalizer voices I can't seem to really understand terribly well.  I can do it, 
as I said, but not easily.  I can't ramp Eloquence up very fast, but I 
definitely have it slightly faster than the default both on my JAWS and my 
Window-eyes.

I know that Eloquence is also available for NVDA, but not legally, so there 
went that idea.

I know there is a port for Eloquence done by Tylor Spivy of Eloquence that 
works on the mac, but it's a bit tricky to get it working, and is incredibly 
incredibly unstable.  I used it just long enough to see if it really actually 
worked, but obviously took it off, 1, when I saw how unstable it was, and 2, 
due to the fact it's also illegal.  Even had it worked flawlessly, I couldn't 
have kept it in good concience.

I agree though, if there was a way to buy a mac ported stable mind you, license 
for Eloquence, for OSX, I'd do it faster than a blink of an eye! Darn straight 
I would!  It's really about the only synth I can not only understand, but 
comfortably can listen to on and on for hours at a time.

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "'Kevin Cussick' via MacVisionaries" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 2:17 PM
Subject: Re: time for Apple to get a new default voice


Well I use Fiona Compact and have it as fast as I can and love it. but
each to there own.

On 10/06/2015 20:16, Jonathan Mosen wrote:

Hi Christopher. I think it depends on the hearing loss. I've worked with people 
for example with a hearing loss who find Alex unintelligible once you go a 
little above the default rate, but who can have compact Daniel cranked up 
remarkably fast.
Personally I'd be delighted to have Eloquence on my Mac because Alex 
mispronounces far too much for my liking. The moral of the story is the more 
choice of TTS a screen reader company can offer, the better. Speech is 
extremely subjective.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org


On 11/06/2015, at 6:28 am, christopher hallsworth  
wrote:

Might be coming next year . Seriously though, I don't ever want Apple to 
remove Alex. He's fantastic for someone with moderately severe to profound hearing 
loss which I have. The other voices included are fine, but doesn't cut it like Alex.

On 10 Jun 2015, at 18:46, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:

Hi Ray. I don't really want Apple to get rid of Alex. I lve the fact that he 
takes breaths and everything. I am with you on one thing though, I hope Apple 
considers making the Siri voices available in El Capitan. After all, you can 
get them for NVDA in Windows so why can't it be done on the Mac?

Shawn
Sent from my White Ma

Re: time for Apple to get a new default voice

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

There is enough documentation for a new TTS to be written.  It’s sparse, but it 
is there.  It’s simply a question of who will write the speech manager plug-in.

FMM, I appreciate that Apple and followers are opposed to anything retro, but I 
think there’s both enough evidence and enough interest to support the idea that 
some people will find a genuine formant synthesiser for OS X worthwhile.  I 
have said as much to Apple.  You could do the same.  I too would love to see 
Eloquence, though even DECTalk would be better than Fred.  There is a reason 
why these TTS engines have withstood the test of time, and great as Alex is, he 
is still concatenative, so he simply cannot accurately pronounce subtle words, 
especially foreign-derived ones, or work at the insane rates achievable on the 
dark side.

JMO.

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Re: time for Apple to get a new default voice

[Devin Prater]

It was legal, but it costs $20 for users to get it.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 11, 2015, at 3:46 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> I cannot imagine Apple moving from a good voice such as Alex to a robotic one 
> like eloquence, much less the unusable, at least for me,  speak. Perhaps, if 
> they ever get around to opening up the system so that you can use any voice 
> you want, somebody will port espeak over, and then those who like it will be 
> able to use it. But I believe eloquence has been dead for a few years now. It 
> is not being developed. Somehow, I think it showed up for android. But I 
> can't believe that was a legal development.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 11, 2015, at 1:32 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I agree with Shawn.  I've not been a fan of Eloquence ever primarily due to 
>> how it sounds.  But, to each their own.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jun 11, 2015, at 14:11, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi. The thing I have against Eloquence and even ESpeak is because they are 
>> too robotic sounding. Actually, one of the reasons why I moved to the Mac 
>> back in 2010 is because of Alex. When a friend of mine showed me how he took 
>> breaths when he reads and when watching Youtube videos with him on them, I 
>> was impressed with the way he sounded. Bottom line is, I moved to the Mac to 
>> get away from all robotic voices. Now I'm using Sharon from Acapela who I 
>> think is the best US English voice they made. In my opinion, like it or not, 
>> human natural voices are the future for us so I don't think Eloquence or 
>> eSpeak will ever come on to the Mac, especially if what that other poster 
>> said is true that Eloquence is discontinued.
>> 
>> Shawn
>> Sent from my White MacBook
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 11, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Jonathan,
>>> 
>>> I totally totally agree with you!  If we could get Eloquence on the mac, 
>>> that would probably be the happiest day of my life!  I am one of those who 
>>> falls into the category you mentioned regarding Alex.  I can use him, but I 
>>> have to keep it at the default speaking rate, and even then, with my 
>>> hearing loss, I have to pay fairly close attention.  Especially if I'm 
>>> reading say, an entire paragraph or whatever in one chunk.  Again, I can do 
>>> it, but it's not easy.
>>> 
>>> I don't honestly know what so many people have against Eloquence.  Even the 
>>> Vocalizer voices I can't seem to really understand terribly well.  I can do 
>>> it, as I said, but not easily.  I can't ramp Eloquence up very fast, but I 
>>> definitely have it slightly faster than the default both on my JAWS and my 
>>> Window-eyes.
>>> 
>>> I know that Eloquence is also available for NVDA, but not legally, so there 
>>> went that idea.
>>> 
>>> I know there is a port for Eloquence done by Tylor Spivy of Eloquence that 
>>> works on the mac, but it's a bit tricky to get it working, and is 
>>> incredibly incredibly unstable.  I used it just long enough to see if it 
>>> really actually worked, but obviously took it off, 1, when I saw how 
>>> unstable it was, and 2, due to the fact it's also illegal.  Even had it 
>>> worked flawlessly, I couldn't have kept it in good concience.
>>> 
>>> I agree though, if there was a way to buy a mac ported stable mind you, 
>>> license for Eloquence, for OSX, I'd do it faster than a blink of an eye! 
>>> Darn straight I would!  It's really about the only synth I can not only 
>>> understand, but comfortably can listen to on and on for hours at a time.
>>> 
>>> Chris.
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - From: "'Kevin Cussick' via MacVisionaries" 
>>> 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 2:17 PM
>>> Subject: Re: time for Apple to get a new default voice
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Well I use Fiona Compact and have it as fast as I can and love it. but
>>> each to there own.
>>> 
>>>> On 10/06/2015 20:16, Jonathan Mosen wrote:
>>>> Hi Christopher. I think it depends on the hearing loss. I've worked with 
>>>> people for example with a hearing loss who find Alex unintelligible once 
>>>> you go a little above the default rate, but who can hav

Re: time for Apple to get a new default voice

[Ray Foret Jr]

Well, I suspect that with a third party app like ITools on one's Mac, and a 
knowledge of the iPHone directories, one could in fact place the Siri male 
voice on the directory the iPHone uses for voice over and also the Mac's 
similar directlry.  This should be possible without jailbreaking one's phone.  
Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray

Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!

Sent from my Mac,
the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in

> On Jun 11, 2015, at 3:50 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Opening up the system so that people can do that sort of thing is probably 
> never going to happen.  I don't see Apple moving in that direction.  It would 
> open up far too many vulnerabilities that they pride themselves on not having.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 11, 2015, at 14:46, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> I cannot imagine Apple moving from a good voice such as Alex to a robotic one 
> like eloquence, much less the unusable, at least for me,  speak. Perhaps, if 
> they ever get around to opening up the system so that you can use any voice 
> you want, somebody will port espeak over, and then those who like it will be 
> able to use it. But I believe eloquence has been dead for a few years now. It 
> is not being developed. Somehow, I think it showed up for android. But I 
> can't believe that was a legal development.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 11, 2015, at 1:32 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I agree with Shawn.  I've not been a fan of Eloquence ever primarily due to 
>> how it sounds.  But, to each their own.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jun 11, 2015, at 14:11, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi. The thing I have against Eloquence and even ESpeak is because they are 
>> too robotic sounding. Actually, one of the reasons why I moved to the Mac 
>> back in 2010 is because of Alex. When a friend of mine showed me how he took 
>> breaths when he reads and when watching Youtube videos with him on them, I 
>> was impressed with the way he sounded. Bottom line is, I moved to the Mac to 
>> get away from all robotic voices. Now I'm using Sharon from Acapela who I 
>> think is the best US English voice they made. In my opinion, like it or not, 
>> human natural voices are the future for us so I don't think Eloquence or 
>> eSpeak will ever come on to the Mac, especially if what that other poster 
>> said is true that Eloquence is discontinued.
>> 
>> Shawn
>> Sent from my White MacBook
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 11, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Jonathan,
>>> 
>>> I totally totally agree with you!  If we could get Eloquence on the mac, 
>>> that would probably be the happiest day of my life!  I am one of those who 
>>> falls into the category you mentioned regarding Alex.  I can use him, but I 
>>> have to keep it at the default speaking rate, and even then, with my 
>>> hearing loss, I have to pay fairly close attention.  Especially if I'm 
>>> reading say, an entire paragraph or whatever in one chunk.  Again, I can do 
>>> it, but it's not easy.
>>> 
>>> I don't honestly know what so many people have against Eloquence.  Even the 
>>> Vocalizer voices I can't seem to really understand terribly well.  I can do 
>>> it, as I said, but not easily.  I can't ramp Eloquence up very fast, but I 
>>> definitely have it slightly faster than the default both on my JAWS and my 
>>> Window-eyes.
>>> 
>>> I know that Eloquence is also available for NVDA, but not legally, so there 
>>> went that idea.
>>> 
>>> I know there is a port for Eloquence done by Tylor Spivy of Eloquence that 
>>> works on the mac, but it's a bit tricky to get it working, and is 
>>> incredibly incredibly unstable.  I used it just long enough to see if it 
>>> really actually worked, but obviously took it off, 1, when I saw how 
>>> unstable it was, and 2, due to the fact it's also illegal.  Even had it 
>>> worked flawlessly, I couldn't have kept it in good concience.
>>> 
>>> I agree though, if there was a way to buy a mac ported stable mind you, 
>>> license for Eloquence, for OSX, I'd do it faster than a blink of an eye! 
>>> Darn straight I would!  It's really about the only synth I can not only 
>>> understan

Re: time for Apple to get a new default voice

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Opening up the system so that people can do that sort of thing is probably 
never going to happen.  I don't see Apple moving in that direction.  It would 
open up far too many vulnerabilities that they pride themselves on not having.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 11, 2015, at 14:46, Mary Otten  wrote:

I cannot imagine Apple moving from a good voice such as Alex to a robotic one 
like eloquence, much less the unusable, at least for me,  speak. Perhaps, if 
they ever get around to opening up the system so that you can use any voice you 
want, somebody will port espeak over, and then those who like it will be able 
to use it. But I believe eloquence has been dead for a few years now. It is not 
being developed. Somehow, I think it showed up for android. But I can't believe 
that was a legal development.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 11, 2015, at 1:32 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I agree with Shawn.  I've not been a fan of Eloquence ever primarily due to 
> how it sounds.  But, to each their own.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 11, 2015, at 14:11, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
> 
> Hi. The thing I have against Eloquence and even ESpeak is because they are 
> too robotic sounding. Actually, one of the reasons why I moved to the Mac 
> back in 2010 is because of Alex. When a friend of mine showed me how he took 
> breaths when he reads and when watching Youtube videos with him on them, I 
> was impressed with the way he sounded. Bottom line is, I moved to the Mac to 
> get away from all robotic voices. Now I'm using Sharon from Acapela who I 
> think is the best US English voice they made. In my opinion, like it or not, 
> human natural voices are the future for us so I don't think Eloquence or 
> eSpeak will ever come on to the Mac, especially if what that other poster 
> said is true that Eloquence is discontinued.
> 
> Shawn
> Sent from my White MacBook
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 11, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Jonathan,
>> 
>> I totally totally agree with you!  If we could get Eloquence on the mac, 
>> that would probably be the happiest day of my life!  I am one of those who 
>> falls into the category you mentioned regarding Alex.  I can use him, but I 
>> have to keep it at the default speaking rate, and even then, with my hearing 
>> loss, I have to pay fairly close attention.  Especially if I'm reading say, 
>> an entire paragraph or whatever in one chunk.  Again, I can do it, but it's 
>> not easy.
>> 
>> I don't honestly know what so many people have against Eloquence.  Even the 
>> Vocalizer voices I can't seem to really understand terribly well.  I can do 
>> it, as I said, but not easily.  I can't ramp Eloquence up very fast, but I 
>> definitely have it slightly faster than the default both on my JAWS and my 
>> Window-eyes.
>> 
>> I know that Eloquence is also available for NVDA, but not legally, so there 
>> went that idea.
>> 
>> I know there is a port for Eloquence done by Tylor Spivy of Eloquence that 
>> works on the mac, but it's a bit tricky to get it working, and is incredibly 
>> incredibly unstable.  I used it just long enough to see if it really 
>> actually worked, but obviously took it off, 1, when I saw how unstable it 
>> was, and 2, due to the fact it's also illegal.  Even had it worked 
>> flawlessly, I couldn't have kept it in good concience.
>> 
>> I agree though, if there was a way to buy a mac ported stable mind you, 
>> license for Eloquence, for OSX, I'd do it faster than a blink of an eye! 
>> Darn straight I would!  It's really about the only synth I can not only 
>> understand, but comfortably can listen to on and on for hours at a time.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "'Kevin Cussick' via MacVisionaries" 
>> 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 2:17 PM
>> Subject: Re: time for Apple to get a new default voice
>> 
>> 
>> Well I use Fiona Compact and have it as fast as I can and love it. but
>> each to there own.
>> 
>>> On 10/06/2015 20:16, Jonathan Mosen wrote:
>>> Hi Christopher. I think it depends on the hearing loss. I've worked with 
>>> people for example with a hearing loss who find Alex unintelligible once 
>>> you go a little above the default rate, but who can have compact Daniel 
>>> cranked up remarkably fast.
>>> Personally I'd be delighted to have Eloquence on my Mac because Alex 
>>> mispronounces f

Re: time for Apple to get a new default voice

[Mary Otten]

I cannot imagine Apple moving from a good voice such as Alex to a robotic one 
like eloquence, much less the unusable, at least for me,  speak. Perhaps, if 
they ever get around to opening up the system so that you can use any voice you 
want, somebody will port espeak over, and then those who like it will be able 
to use it. But I believe eloquence has been dead for a few years now. It is not 
being developed. Somehow, I think it showed up for android. But I can't believe 
that was a legal development.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 11, 2015, at 1:32 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I agree with Shawn.  I've not been a fan of Eloquence ever primarily due to 
> how it sounds.  But, to each their own.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 11, 2015, at 14:11, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
> 
> Hi. The thing I have against Eloquence and even ESpeak is because they are 
> too robotic sounding. Actually, one of the reasons why I moved to the Mac 
> back in 2010 is because of Alex. When a friend of mine showed me how he took 
> breaths when he reads and when watching Youtube videos with him on them, I 
> was impressed with the way he sounded. Bottom line is, I moved to the Mac to 
> get away from all robotic voices. Now I'm using Sharon from Acapela who I 
> think is the best US English voice they made. In my opinion, like it or not, 
> human natural voices are the future for us so I don't think Eloquence or 
> eSpeak will ever come on to the Mac, especially if what that other poster 
> said is true that Eloquence is discontinued.
> 
> Shawn
> Sent from my White MacBook
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 11, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Jonathan,
>> 
>> I totally totally agree with you!  If we could get Eloquence on the mac, 
>> that would probably be the happiest day of my life!  I am one of those who 
>> falls into the category you mentioned regarding Alex.  I can use him, but I 
>> have to keep it at the default speaking rate, and even then, with my hearing 
>> loss, I have to pay fairly close attention.  Especially if I'm reading say, 
>> an entire paragraph or whatever in one chunk.  Again, I can do it, but it's 
>> not easy.
>> 
>> I don't honestly know what so many people have against Eloquence.  Even the 
>> Vocalizer voices I can't seem to really understand terribly well.  I can do 
>> it, as I said, but not easily.  I can't ramp Eloquence up very fast, but I 
>> definitely have it slightly faster than the default both on my JAWS and my 
>> Window-eyes.
>> 
>> I know that Eloquence is also available for NVDA, but not legally, so there 
>> went that idea.
>> 
>> I know there is a port for Eloquence done by Tylor Spivy of Eloquence that 
>> works on the mac, but it's a bit tricky to get it working, and is incredibly 
>> incredibly unstable.  I used it just long enough to see if it really 
>> actually worked, but obviously took it off, 1, when I saw how unstable it 
>> was, and 2, due to the fact it's also illegal.  Even had it worked 
>> flawlessly, I couldn't have kept it in good concience.
>> 
>> I agree though, if there was a way to buy a mac ported stable mind you, 
>> license for Eloquence, for OSX, I'd do it faster than a blink of an eye! 
>> Darn straight I would!  It's really about the only synth I can not only 
>> understand, but comfortably can listen to on and on for hours at a time.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "'Kevin Cussick' via MacVisionaries" 
>> 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 2:17 PM
>> Subject: Re: time for Apple to get a new default voice
>> 
>> 
>> Well I use Fiona Compact and have it as fast as I can and love it. but
>> each to there own.
>> 
>>> On 10/06/2015 20:16, Jonathan Mosen wrote:
>>> Hi Christopher. I think it depends on the hearing loss. I've worked with 
>>> people for example with a hearing loss who find Alex unintelligible once 
>>> you go a little above the default rate, but who can have compact Daniel 
>>> cranked up remarkably fast.
>>> Personally I'd be delighted to have Eloquence on my Mac because Alex 
>>> mispronounces far too much for my liking. The moral of the story is the 
>>> more choice of TTS a screen reader company can offer, the better. Speech is 
>>> extremely subjective.
>>> Jonathan Mosen
>>> Mosen Consulting
>>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
>>> http://Mosen.o

Re: time for Apple to get a new default voice

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

I agree with Shawn.  I've not been a fan of Eloquence ever primarily due to how 
it sounds.  But, to each their own.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 11, 2015, at 14:11, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:

Hi. The thing I have against Eloquence and even ESpeak is because they are too 
robotic sounding. Actually, one of the reasons why I moved to the Mac back in 
2010 is because of Alex. When a friend of mine showed me how he took breaths 
when he reads and when watching Youtube videos with him on them, I was 
impressed with the way he sounded. Bottom line is, I moved to the Mac to get 
away from all robotic voices. Now I'm using Sharon from Acapela who I think is 
the best US English voice they made. In my opinion, like it or not, human 
natural voices are the future for us so I don't think Eloquence or eSpeak will 
ever come on to the Mac, especially if what that other poster said is true that 
Eloquence is discontinued.

Shawn
Sent from my White MacBook



> On Jun 11, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> Jonathan,
> 
> I totally totally agree with you!  If we could get Eloquence on the mac, that 
> would probably be the happiest day of my life!  I am one of those who falls 
> into the category you mentioned regarding Alex.  I can use him, but I have to 
> keep it at the default speaking rate, and even then, with my hearing loss, I 
> have to pay fairly close attention.  Especially if I'm reading say, an entire 
> paragraph or whatever in one chunk.  Again, I can do it, but it's not easy.
> 
> I don't honestly know what so many people have against Eloquence.  Even the 
> Vocalizer voices I can't seem to really understand terribly well.  I can do 
> it, as I said, but not easily.  I can't ramp Eloquence up very fast, but I 
> definitely have it slightly faster than the default both on my JAWS and my 
> Window-eyes.
> 
> I know that Eloquence is also available for NVDA, but not legally, so there 
> went that idea.
> 
> I know there is a port for Eloquence done by Tylor Spivy of Eloquence that 
> works on the mac, but it's a bit tricky to get it working, and is incredibly 
> incredibly unstable.  I used it just long enough to see if it really actually 
> worked, but obviously took it off, 1, when I saw how unstable it was, and 2, 
> due to the fact it's also illegal.  Even had it worked flawlessly, I couldn't 
> have kept it in good concience.
> 
> I agree though, if there was a way to buy a mac ported stable mind you, 
> license for Eloquence, for OSX, I'd do it faster than a blink of an eye! Darn 
> straight I would!  It's really about the only synth I can not only 
> understand, but comfortably can listen to on and on for hours at a time.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "'Kevin Cussick' via MacVisionaries" 
> 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 2:17 PM
> Subject: Re: time for Apple to get a new default voice
> 
> 
> Well I use Fiona Compact and have it as fast as I can and love it. but
> each to there own.
> 
> On 10/06/2015 20:16, Jonathan Mosen wrote:
>> Hi Christopher. I think it depends on the hearing loss. I've worked with 
>> people for example with a hearing loss who find Alex unintelligible once you 
>> go a little above the default rate, but who can have compact Daniel cranked 
>> up remarkably fast.
>> Personally I'd be delighted to have Eloquence on my Mac because Alex 
>> mispronounces far too much for my liking. The moral of the story is the more 
>> choice of TTS a screen reader company can offer, the better. Speech is 
>> extremely subjective.
>> Jonathan Mosen
>> Mosen Consulting
>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
>> http://Mosen.org
>> 
>>> On 11/06/2015, at 6:28 am, christopher hallsworth  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Might be coming next year . Seriously though, I don't ever want Apple 
>>> to remove Alex. He's fantastic for someone with moderately severe to 
>>> profound hearing loss which I have. The other voices included are fine, but 
>>> doesn't cut it like Alex.
>>>> On 10 Jun 2015, at 18:46, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Ray. I don't really want Apple to get rid of Alex. I lve the fact that 
>>>> he takes breaths and everything. I am with you on one thing though, I hope 
>>>> Apple considers making the Siri voices available in El Capitan. After all, 
>>>> you can get them for NVDA in Windows so why can't it be done on the Mac?
>>>> 
>>>> Shawn
>>>> Sent from my White MacBook
>>>> 
>&

Re: time for Apple to get a new default voice

[Shawn Krasniuk]

Hi. The thing I have against Eloquence and even ESpeak is because they are too 
robotic sounding. Actually, one of the reasons why I moved to the Mac back in 
2010 is because of Alex. When a friend of mine showed me how he took breaths 
when he reads and when watching Youtube videos with him on them, I was 
impressed with the way he sounded. Bottom line is, I moved to the Mac to get 
away from all robotic voices. Now I'm using Sharon from Acapela who I think is 
the best US English voice they made. In my opinion, like it or not, human 
natural voices are the future for us so I don't think Eloquence or eSpeak will 
ever come on to the Mac, especially if what that other poster said is true that 
Eloquence is discontinued.

Shawn
Sent from my White MacBook



> On Jun 11, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> Jonathan,
> 
> I totally totally agree with you!  If we could get Eloquence on the mac, that 
> would probably be the happiest day of my life!  I am one of those who falls 
> into the category you mentioned regarding Alex.  I can use him, but I have to 
> keep it at the default speaking rate, and even then, with my hearing loss, I 
> have to pay fairly close attention.  Especially if I'm reading say, an entire 
> paragraph or whatever in one chunk.  Again, I can do it, but it's not easy.
> 
> I don't honestly know what so many people have against Eloquence.  Even the 
> Vocalizer voices I can't seem to really understand terribly well.  I can do 
> it, as I said, but not easily.  I can't ramp Eloquence up very fast, but I 
> definitely have it slightly faster than the default both on my JAWS and my 
> Window-eyes.
> 
> I know that Eloquence is also available for NVDA, but not legally, so there 
> went that idea.
> 
> I know there is a port for Eloquence done by Tylor Spivy of Eloquence that 
> works on the mac, but it's a bit tricky to get it working, and is incredibly 
> incredibly unstable.  I used it just long enough to see if it really actually 
> worked, but obviously took it off, 1, when I saw how unstable it was, and 2, 
> due to the fact it's also illegal.  Even had it worked flawlessly, I couldn't 
> have kept it in good concience.
> 
> I agree though, if there was a way to buy a mac ported stable mind you, 
> license for Eloquence, for OSX, I'd do it faster than a blink of an eye! Darn 
> straight I would!  It's really about the only synth I can not only 
> understand, but comfortably can listen to on and on for hours at a time.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "'Kevin Cussick' via MacVisionaries" 
> 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 2:17 PM
> Subject: Re: time for Apple to get a new default voice
> 
> 
> Well I use Fiona Compact and have it as fast as I can and love it. but
> each to there own.
> 
> On 10/06/2015 20:16, Jonathan Mosen wrote:
>> Hi Christopher. I think it depends on the hearing loss. I've worked with 
>> people for example with a hearing loss who find Alex unintelligible once you 
>> go a little above the default rate, but who can have compact Daniel cranked 
>> up remarkably fast.
>> Personally I'd be delighted to have Eloquence on my Mac because Alex 
>> mispronounces far too much for my liking. The moral of the story is the more 
>> choice of TTS a screen reader company can offer, the better. Speech is 
>> extremely subjective.
>> Jonathan Mosen
>> Mosen Consulting
>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
>> http://Mosen.org
>> 
>>> On 11/06/2015, at 6:28 am, christopher hallsworth  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Might be coming next year . Seriously though, I don't ever want Apple 
>>> to remove Alex. He's fantastic for someone with moderately severe to 
>>> profound hearing loss which I have. The other voices included are fine, but 
>>> doesn't cut it like Alex.
>>>> On 10 Jun 2015, at 18:46, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Ray. I don't really want Apple to get rid of Alex. I lve the fact that 
>>>> he takes breaths and everything. I am with you on one thing though, I hope 
>>>> Apple considers making the Siri voices available in El Capitan. After all, 
>>>> you can get them for NVDA in Windows so why can't it be done on the Mac?
>>>> 
>>>> Shawn
>>>> Sent from my White MacBook
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 10, 2015, at 12:07 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Subject line pretty much says it all.  Nothing against Alex mind 

Re: time for Apple to get a new default voice

[Grant]

Eloquence is great because it is so familiar due to its popularity on a wide 
variety of screen readers and other assistive technology products. But 
realistically, it has not been in development since, I believe, the late 1990s. 
For some perspective on that, the first public version of Mac OS X was released 
in 2000. In my opinion, that age (of Eloquence) is starting to show. 
Specifically, I notice that Eloquence sounds quite stuttery on certain sound 
cards, like in VMWare virtual machines, where Vocalizer voices work fine. As 
well, I am sure many of you remember the fact that it crashes when certain 
strings are encountered. Screen reader developers have more or less worked 
around this issue, I assume with built-in dictionary rules, but I don’t know 
what the merits of investing in Eloquence would be in this day and age. I 
recall that NV Access invested considerable energy in working out a licensing 
deal to provide an option for their users to buy Eloquence, but they 
encountered considerable barriers that ultimately halted the project. These 
barriers included eventually being told that sales of the synthesizer had 
ceased.

All this is to say that I doubt we’ll see Eloquence in Mac OS X any time soon, 
but that is just my opinion. This message was written more or less from memory, 
so feel free to correct any errors of fact.

Grant

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Re: time for Apple to get a new default voice

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Eloquence is a good synth but though it does not support my native language.
It support finnish but having eloquence finnish or german speaking swedish 
doesn’t sound really great.
So i have to stick with acapella voices for swedish even though they have some 
glitches.
/A
> 11 jun 2015 kl. 21:25 skrev Christopher-Mark Gilland :
> 
> Jonathan,
> 
> I totally totally agree with you!  If we could get Eloquence on the mac, that 
> would probably be the happiest day of my life!  I am one of those who falls 
> into the category you mentioned regarding Alex.  I can use him, but I have to 
> keep it at the default speaking rate, and even then, with my hearing loss, I 
> have to pay fairly close attention.  Especially if I'm reading say, an entire 
> paragraph or whatever in one chunk.  Again, I can do it, but it's not easy.
> 
> I don't honestly know what so many people have against Eloquence.  Even the 
> Vocalizer voices I can't seem to really understand terribly well.  I can do 
> it, as I said, but not easily.  I can't ramp Eloquence up very fast, but I 
> definitely have it slightly faster than the default both on my JAWS and my 
> Window-eyes.
> 
> I know that Eloquence is also available for NVDA, but not legally, so there 
> went that idea.
> 
> I know there is a port for Eloquence done by Tylor Spivy of Eloquence that 
> works on the mac, but it's a bit tricky to get it working, and is incredibly 
> incredibly unstable.  I used it just long enough to see if it really actually 
> worked, but obviously took it off, 1, when I saw how unstable it was, and 2, 
> due to the fact it's also illegal.  Even had it worked flawlessly, I couldn't 
> have kept it in good concience.
> 
> I agree though, if there was a way to buy a mac ported stable mind you, 
> license for Eloquence, for OSX, I'd do it faster than a blink of an eye! Darn 
> straight I would!  It's really about the only synth I can not only 
> understand, but comfortably can listen to on and on for hours at a time.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> ----- Original Message - From: "'Kevin Cussick' via MacVisionaries" 
> 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 2:17 PM
> Subject: Re: time for Apple to get a new default voice
> 
> 
> Well I use Fiona Compact and have it as fast as I can and love it. but
> each to there own.
> 
> On 10/06/2015 20:16, Jonathan Mosen wrote:
>> Hi Christopher. I think it depends on the hearing loss. I've worked with 
>> people for example with a hearing loss who find Alex unintelligible once you 
>> go a little above the default rate, but who can have compact Daniel cranked 
>> up remarkably fast.
>> Personally I'd be delighted to have Eloquence on my Mac because Alex 
>> mispronounces far too much for my liking. The moral of the story is the more 
>> choice of TTS a screen reader company can offer, the better. Speech is 
>> extremely subjective.
>> Jonathan Mosen
>> Mosen Consulting
>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
>> http://Mosen.org
>> 
>>> On 11/06/2015, at 6:28 am, christopher hallsworth  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Might be coming next year . Seriously though, I don't ever want Apple 
>>> to remove Alex. He's fantastic for someone with moderately severe to 
>>> profound hearing loss which I have. The other voices included are fine, but 
>>> doesn't cut it like Alex.
>>>> On 10 Jun 2015, at 18:46, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Ray. I don't really want Apple to get rid of Alex. I lve the fact that 
>>>> he takes breaths and everything. I am with you on one thing though, I hope 
>>>> Apple considers making the Siri voices available in El Capitan. After all, 
>>>> you can get them for NVDA in Windows so why can't it be done on the Mac?
>>>> 
>>>> Shawn
>>>> Sent from my White MacBook
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 10, 2015, at 12:07 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Subject line pretty much says it all.  Nothing against Alex mind you: 
>>>>> but, frankly, I reckon it's high time Apple adopted a new and much more 
>>>>> updated default voice.  The new Siri male US English voice might perhaps 
>>>>> be a good choice.  Here's hoping we see this one in Elcapitan.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>>>>> 
>>>>> Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!
>

Re: time for Apple to get a new default voice

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Jonathan,

I totally totally agree with you!  If we could get Eloquence on the mac, 
that would probably be the happiest day of my life!  I am one of those who 
falls into the category you mentioned regarding Alex.  I can use him, but I 
have to keep it at the default speaking rate, and even then, with my hearing 
loss, I have to pay fairly close attention.  Especially if I'm reading say, 
an entire paragraph or whatever in one chunk.  Again, I can do it, but it's 
not easy.


I don't honestly know what so many people have against Eloquence.  Even the 
Vocalizer voices I can't seem to really understand terribly well.  I can do 
it, as I said, but not easily.  I can't ramp Eloquence up very fast, but I 
definitely have it slightly faster than the default both on my JAWS and my 
Window-eyes.


I know that Eloquence is also available for NVDA, but not legally, so there 
went that idea.


I know there is a port for Eloquence done by Tylor Spivy of Eloquence that 
works on the mac, but it's a bit tricky to get it working, and is incredibly 
incredibly unstable.  I used it just long enough to see if it really 
actually worked, but obviously took it off, 1, when I saw how unstable it 
was, and 2, due to the fact it's also illegal.  Even had it worked 
flawlessly, I couldn't have kept it in good concience.


I agree though, if there was a way to buy a mac ported stable mind you, 
license for Eloquence, for OSX, I'd do it faster than a blink of an eye! 
Darn straight I would!  It's really about the only synth I can not only 
understand, but comfortably can listen to on and on for hours at a time.


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "'Kevin Cussick' via MacVisionaries" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 2:17 PM
Subject: Re: time for Apple to get a new default voice


Well I use Fiona Compact and have it as fast as I can and love it. but
each to there own.

On 10/06/2015 20:16, Jonathan Mosen wrote:
Hi Christopher. I think it depends on the hearing loss. I've worked with 
people for example with a hearing loss who find Alex unintelligible once 
you go a little above the default rate, but who can have compact Daniel 
cranked up remarkably fast.
Personally I'd be delighted to have Eloquence on my Mac because Alex 
mispronounces far too much for my liking. The moral of the story is the 
more choice of TTS a screen reader company can offer, the better. Speech 
is extremely subjective.

Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org

On 11/06/2015, at 6:28 am, christopher hallsworth 
 wrote:


Might be coming next year . Seriously though, I don't ever want 
Apple to remove Alex. He's fantastic for someone with moderately severe 
to profound hearing loss which I have. The other voices included are 
fine, but doesn't cut it like Alex.

On 10 Jun 2015, at 18:46, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:

Hi Ray. I don't really want Apple to get rid of Alex. I lve the fact 
that he takes breaths and everything. I am with you on one thing though, 
I hope Apple considers making the Siri voices available in El Capitan. 
After all, you can get them for NVDA in Windows so why can't it be done 
on the Mac?


Shawn
Sent from my White MacBook



On Jun 10, 2015, at 12:07 PM, Ray Foret Jr  
wrote:


Subject line pretty much says it all.  Nothing against Alex mind you: 
but, frankly, I reckon it's high time Apple adopted a new and much more 
updated default voice.  The new Siri male US English voice might 
perhaps be a good choice.  Here's hoping we see this one in Elcapitan.



Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray

Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!

Sent from my Mac,
the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in


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Re: time for Apple to get a new default voice

['Kevin Cussick' via MacVisionaries]

Well I use Fiona Compact and have it as fast as I can and love it. but 
each to there own.


On 10/06/2015 20:16, Jonathan Mosen wrote:

Hi Christopher. I think it depends on the hearing loss. I've worked with people 
for example with a hearing loss who find Alex unintelligible once you go a 
little above the default rate, but who can have compact Daniel cranked up 
remarkably fast.
Personally I'd be delighted to have Eloquence on my Mac because Alex 
mispronounces far too much for my liking. The moral of the story is the more 
choice of TTS a screen reader company can offer, the better. Speech is 
extremely subjective.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org


On 11/06/2015, at 6:28 am, christopher hallsworth  
wrote:

Might be coming next year . Seriously though, I don't ever want Apple to 
remove Alex. He's fantastic for someone with moderately severe to profound hearing 
loss which I have. The other voices included are fine, but doesn't cut it like Alex.

On 10 Jun 2015, at 18:46, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:

Hi Ray. I don't really want Apple to get rid of Alex. I lve the fact that he 
takes breaths and everything. I am with you on one thing though, I hope Apple 
considers making the Siri voices available in El Capitan. After all, you can 
get them for NVDA in Windows so why can't it be done on the Mac?

Shawn
Sent from my White MacBook




On Jun 10, 2015, at 12:07 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:

Subject line pretty much says it all.  Nothing against Alex mind you:  but, 
frankly, I reckon it's high time Apple adopted a new and much more updated 
default voice.  The new Siri male US English voice might perhaps be a good 
choice.  Here's hoping we see this one in Elcapitan.


Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray

Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!

Sent from my Mac,
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Re: time for Apple to get a new default voice

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Well, i think they should renew the hole voice collection.
Lets hope they do something.
/A
> 10 jun 2015 kl. 19:07 skrev Ray Foret Jr :
> 
> Subject line pretty much says it all.  Nothing against Alex mind you:  but, 
> frankly, I reckon it's high time Apple adopted a new and much more updated 
> default voice.  The new Siri male US English voice might perhaps be a good 
> choice.  Here's hoping we see this one in Elcapitan.
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
> 
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> 
> Sent from my Mac,
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Re: time for Apple to get a new default voice

[Eileen]

Hello All,

I agree with you Jonathan. An official copy of Eloquence would be just fine 
with me. I tried Ava and the responsiveness was sluggish in comparison to Alex. 
Eventually, I needed to switch back to Alex. 

Best,
Eileen


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 10, 2015, at 12:16 PM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
> 
> Hi Christopher. I think it depends on the hearing loss. I've worked with 
> people for example with a hearing loss who find Alex unintelligible once you 
> go a little above the default rate, but who can have compact Daniel cranked 
> up remarkably fast.
> Personally I'd be delighted to have Eloquence on my Mac because Alex 
> mispronounces far too much for my liking. The moral of the story is the more 
> choice of TTS a screen reader company can offer, the better. Speech is 
> extremely subjective.
> Jonathan Mosen
> Mosen Consulting
> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
> http://Mosen.org
> 
>>> On 11/06/2015, at 6:28 am, christopher hallsworth  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Might be coming next year . Seriously though, I don't ever want Apple 
>>> to remove Alex. He's fantastic for someone with moderately severe to 
>>> profound hearing loss which I have. The other voices included are fine, but 
>>> doesn't cut it like Alex.
>>> On 10 Jun 2015, at 18:46, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Ray. I don't really want Apple to get rid of Alex. I lve the fact that 
>>> he takes breaths and everything. I am with you on one thing though, I hope 
>>> Apple considers making the Siri voices available in El Capitan. After all, 
>>> you can get them for NVDA in Windows so why can't it be done on the Mac?
>>> 
>>> Shawn
>>> Sent from my White MacBook
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jun 10, 2015, at 12:07 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
 
 Subject line pretty much says it all.  Nothing against Alex mind you:  
 but, frankly, I reckon it's high time Apple adopted a new and much more 
 updated default voice.  The new Siri male US English voice might perhaps 
 be a good choice.  Here's hoping we see this one in Elcapitan.
 
 
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray
 
 Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!
 
 Sent from my Mac,
 the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in
 
 
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Re: time for Apple to get a new default voice

[Jonathan Mosen]

Hi Christopher. I think it depends on the hearing loss. I've worked with people 
for example with a hearing loss who find Alex unintelligible once you go a 
little above the default rate, but who can have compact Daniel cranked up 
remarkably fast.
Personally I'd be delighted to have Eloquence on my Mac because Alex 
mispronounces far too much for my liking. The moral of the story is the more 
choice of TTS a screen reader company can offer, the better. Speech is 
extremely subjective.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org

> On 11/06/2015, at 6:28 am, christopher hallsworth  
> wrote:
> 
> Might be coming next year . Seriously though, I don't ever want Apple 
> to remove Alex. He's fantastic for someone with moderately severe to profound 
> hearing loss which I have. The other voices included are fine, but doesn't 
> cut it like Alex.
>> On 10 Jun 2015, at 18:46, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Ray. I don't really want Apple to get rid of Alex. I lve the fact that he 
>> takes breaths and everything. I am with you on one thing though, I hope 
>> Apple considers making the Siri voices available in El Capitan. After all, 
>> you can get them for NVDA in Windows so why can't it be done on the Mac?
>> 
>> Shawn
>> Sent from my White MacBook
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 10, 2015, at 12:07 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Subject line pretty much says it all.  Nothing against Alex mind you:  but, 
>>> frankly, I reckon it's high time Apple adopted a new and much more updated 
>>> default voice.  The new Siri male US English voice might perhaps be a good 
>>> choice.  Here's hoping we see this one in Elcapitan.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>>> 
>>> Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Mac,
>>> the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in
>>> 
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Re: time for Apple to get a new default voice

[E.T.]

   If anyone has doubts that Alex will be kept on, then sending Apple 
some feedback would be the ticket because Apple cannot read minds.


   Alex is great for a male voice. Samantha is the best for a female 
voice...almost. She eats some words so adding Siri would be a definite plus.


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Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 6/10/2015 11:49 AM, Kaare Dehard wrote:

I hope Alex stics around for a while. Historically it did for software voices 
what dec-talk did in the 80s for hardware synths. However times were different 
and Alex has always been more responsive than I ever remember dec being:).

On Jun 10, 2015, at 2:28 PM, christopher hallsworth  
wrote:

Might be coming next year . Seriously though, I don't ever want Apple to 
remove Alex. He's fantastic for someone with moderately severe to profound hearing 
loss which I have. The other voices included are fine, but doesn't cut it like Alex.

On 10 Jun 2015, at 18:46, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:

Hi Ray. I don't really want Apple to get rid of Alex. I lve the fact that he 
takes breaths and everything. I am with you on one thing though, I hope Apple 
considers making the Siri voices available in El Capitan. After all, you can 
get them for NVDA in Windows so why can't it be done on the Mac?

Shawn
Sent from my White MacBook




On Jun 10, 2015, at 12:07 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:

Subject line pretty much says it all.  Nothing against Alex mind you:  but, 
frankly, I reckon it's high time Apple adopted a new and much more updated 
default voice.  The new Siri male US English voice might perhaps be a good 
choice.  Here's hoping we see this one in Elcapitan.


Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray

Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!

Sent from my Mac,
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Re: time for Apple to get a new default voice

[Kaare Dehard]

I hope Alex stics around for a while. Historically it did for software voices 
what dec-talk did in the 80s for hardware synths. However times were different 
and Alex has always been more responsive than I ever remember dec being:).
> On Jun 10, 2015, at 2:28 PM, christopher hallsworth  
> wrote:
> 
> Might be coming next year . Seriously though, I don't ever want Apple 
> to remove Alex. He's fantastic for someone with moderately severe to profound 
> hearing loss which I have. The other voices included are fine, but doesn't 
> cut it like Alex.
>> On 10 Jun 2015, at 18:46, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Ray. I don't really want Apple to get rid of Alex. I lve the fact that he 
>> takes breaths and everything. I am with you on one thing though, I hope 
>> Apple considers making the Siri voices available in El Capitan. After all, 
>> you can get them for NVDA in Windows so why can't it be done on the Mac?
>> 
>> Shawn
>> Sent from my White MacBook
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 10, 2015, at 12:07 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Subject line pretty much says it all.  Nothing against Alex mind you:  but, 
>>> frankly, I reckon it's high time Apple adopted a new and much more updated 
>>> default voice.  The new Siri male US English voice might perhaps be a good 
>>> choice.  Here's hoping we see this one in Elcapitan.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>>> 
>>> Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Mac,
>>> the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in
>>> 
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Re: time for Apple to get a new default voice

[RACHEL & DAMIEN]

i prefer alex.  daniel gives me a headache if i listen to him too long.
> On 10 Jun 2015, at 19:28, christopher hallsworth  
> wrote:
> 
> Might be coming next year . Seriously though, I don't ever want Apple 
> to remove Alex. He's fantastic for someone with moderately severe to profound 
> hearing loss which I have. The other voices included are fine, but doesn't 
> cut it like Alex.
>> On 10 Jun 2015, at 18:46, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Ray. I don't really want Apple to get rid of Alex. I lve the fact that he 
>> takes breaths and everything. I am with you on one thing though, I hope 
>> Apple considers making the Siri voices available in El Capitan. After all, 
>> you can get them for NVDA in Windows so why can't it be done on the Mac?
>> 
>> Shawn
>> Sent from my White MacBook
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 10, 2015, at 12:07 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Subject line pretty much says it all.  Nothing against Alex mind you:  but, 
>>> frankly, I reckon it's high time Apple adopted a new and much more updated 
>>> default voice.  The new Siri male US English voice might perhaps be a good 
>>> choice.  Here's hoping we see this one in Elcapitan.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>>> 
>>> Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Mac,
>>> the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in
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Re: time for Apple to get a new default voice

[christopher hallsworth]

Might be coming next year . Seriously though, I don't ever want Apple to 
remove Alex. He's fantastic for someone with moderately severe to profound 
hearing loss which I have. The other voices included are fine, but doesn't cut 
it like Alex.
> On 10 Jun 2015, at 18:46, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
> 
> Hi Ray. I don't really want Apple to get rid of Alex. I lve the fact that he 
> takes breaths and everything. I am with you on one thing though, I hope Apple 
> considers making the Siri voices available in El Capitan. After all, you can 
> get them for NVDA in Windows so why can't it be done on the Mac?
> 
> Shawn
> Sent from my White MacBook
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 10, 2015, at 12:07 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
>> 
>> Subject line pretty much says it all.  Nothing against Alex mind you:  but, 
>> frankly, I reckon it's high time Apple adopted a new and much more updated 
>> default voice.  The new Siri male US English voice might perhaps be a good 
>> choice.  Here's hoping we see this one in Elcapitan.
>> 
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>> 
>> Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac,
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Re: time for Apple to get a new default voice

[Devin Prater]

Why not just keep updating Alex?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 10, 2015, at 12:07 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
> Subject line pretty much says it all.  Nothing against Alex mind you:  but, 
> frankly, I reckon it's high time Apple adopted a new and much more updated 
> default voice.  The new Siri male US English voice might perhaps be a good 
> choice.  Here's hoping we see this one in Elcapitan.
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
> 
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> 
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Re: time for Apple to get a new default voice

[Shawn Krasniuk]

Hi Ray. I don't really want Apple to get rid of Alex. I lve the fact that he 
takes breaths and everything. I am with you on one thing though, I hope Apple 
considers making the Siri voices available in El Capitan. After all, you can 
get them for NVDA in Windows so why can't it be done on the Mac?

Shawn
Sent from my White MacBook



> On Jun 10, 2015, at 12:07 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
> Subject line pretty much says it all.  Nothing against Alex mind you:  but, 
> frankly, I reckon it's high time Apple adopted a new and much more updated 
> default voice.  The new Siri male US English voice might perhaps be a good 
> choice.  Here's hoping we see this one in Elcapitan.
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
> 
> Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!
> 
> Sent from my Mac,
> the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in
> 
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time for Apple to get a new default voice

[Ray Foret Jr]

Subject line pretty much says it all.  Nothing against Alex mind you:  but, 
frankly, I reckon it's high time Apple adopted a new and much more updated 
default voice.  The new Siri male US English voice might perhaps be a good 
choice.  Here's hoping we see this one in Elcapitan.


Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray

Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!

Sent from my Mac,
the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in

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