Re: [maemo-developers] Nokia developer contact?
On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 7:27 am, Shawn Gordon wrote: > >We are still celebrating a QT/e free device and platform (and we are > >probaly gnome zealots too), on a *gtk* centered mailinglist. This is no > >excuse, but I wouldn't expect a parade and a visit from the president > >when saying you want to use QT/e. > > I really don't get your animosity. Every toolkit has its plusses and > minuses, but as far as I know, Qtopia is the only embedded desktop on > embedded linux that is being used in the real world on real devices at the > moment, it must be on about 10 different Zaurus and the Archos and some > other things. Also the ZTE E3 ships with Qtopia Phone. :) and the Motorola phones that use Qt/Embedded. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Trolltech Qtopia Community Manager irc.freenode.net #qtopia http://qtopia.net ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Nokia developer contact?
On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 3:52 am, Shawn Gordon wrote: > Hi, > > Seems that everyone I knew at Nokia from the "Media Terminal" days is gone, > and we'd like to talk to them about porting our library of applications to > the 770 (www.thekompany.com/embedded) - given that we use Qt/e-Qtopia, I've > been watching the discussion on that topic with interest - has anyone tried > taking a Qtopia app and getting it to run by just including the Qtopia libs > required for it? Aside from that, a contact at Nokia would be really > appreciate, I've seen some names around but no email addresses. Feel free > to reply privately if needed. Thanks. You probably won't be able to do that with qt/e 2, as the windowing is quite different for X11 and framebuffer. Qt/E4 will make this easier to do. You can try to patch qvfb to run in a frameless mode, or run whatever else virtual framebuffer runs in X, and run your apps that way. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Trolltech Qtopia Community Manager irc.freenode.net #qtopia http://qtopia.net ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Nokia developer contact?
On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 6:36 am, Koen Kooi wrote: > >> Qt/e has its own framebuffer and doesn't use X, which is part of the > >> appeal for it on embedded devices, I think the footprint is about 3mb > >> (Lorn, correct me if I'm wrong) - for my purposes I don't care about X, Qt/E version 2 with features configured, yes. > Yes, I know all about the QT/e (and the propaganda coupled with it), but > the 770 (device) and maemo (X11/GTK platform) use X, so there is no way > you can 'look reasonable within the existing framework' if you want to > use QT/e painting directly to the framebuffer. To make it abundantly Actually you are misinformed. There is an X server that runs in a Qtopia window. So I can run any Hildon/Maemo application that you can, in a Qtopia environment. > clear: the 770 is a *device* which you can do with what you want, but > maemo is a platform that relies on X and to a lesser extent on GTK. The > previous QT (be it X11 or /e) discussion ended with the note people > should stop trolling about QT/e and it's suppossedly superiority and > start working on making QT work with hildon and osso. hmm.. I don't remember it ending that way. How about a different proposal. Making Hildon/Maemo run on Qtopia/Qt/Embedded. :) > Maemo uses X and > GTK, if that offends you or doesn't fit in to your current development > platform, don't bother this list. Maemo uses X, deal with it. All these > 'Yes, but qt/e is better' threads start to annoy and aren't > constructive. So dissenting opinions aren't constructive? > Maemo uses X, curse all you want, but that's the truth. > Don't like it? Produce something better and tell us the results, just > don't start this pre-emptive whining about QT/e. > I guess I should now better and stop feeding the trolls (haha, trolltech > toolkits and trolls), but I think it's time to post a big note to > maemo.org and nokia.com stating: "Not interested in QT/e, piss off". Good thing you aren't in charge of business at Nokia. > QT is well designed and allows you to build qtopia with X support, no > problem there. Maemo is a platform, not a device, so pimping opie (a > nice platform, which is going to switch to QT4/x11, btw) Not switch, but give users a choice. and only if someone actually does the work. > or QT/e annoys > the crap out of me and judging from the reactions on IRC, a lot of other > people. Maemo uses X, deal with it. Feel free to install what you want > on your *device*, but stop bothering us with FUD about X being > inappriate on embedded devices. Whats stopping someone on this list from making Maemo/Hildon run on a framebuffer? > To make it very clear: QT is nice, a hildonized QT would be a neat thing > to have, hildonized KDE apps aren't evil, but maemo is primarely a > X11/GTK platform. Whining about QT/e in the platform (not even the > device!) list is just childish and promotes prejudices about 'the other > side of the fence'. and mailing list police also promotes prejudices.. > Either be constructive and start working on proper integration with > hildon and osso, or continue your effort on a more appropriate > mailinglist (qt-interest or something). This is a maemo list, not a > nokia 770 list. Maemo uses X and is a platform. > I appreciate all the work TT and TK do on qtopia, and their apps are > very nice, nothing against that, but don't go bullying on maemo for > being different. I personally carry a deep resentment against QT/e (not > QT, not qtopia), but that doesn't stop me from working and having fun > with the Opie people, it just puts me in a foul mood when I read stuff > like this. Choice is good, so don't stuff qt/e down our throats. I read stuff like this all the time, from both sides. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Trolltech Qtopia Community Manager irc.freenode.net #qtopia http://qtopia.net ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Build systems (was: new software for 770)
thanks for the tips. I will use it on the RPG as mush as I can. now,back to the "new software" ;-) I will write a specification document for this "KidSketch" right now. I will publish here when ready. --- Asko Kauppi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escreveu: > > If you fancy Lua instead of Python, you may try > Hamster (ex. SCons/ > Lua). It's very much a subset/superset of what > SCons offers, only > smaller. > >http://www.lua.org >http://www.python.org/ >http://kotisivu.dnainternet.fi/askok/hamster/ > > Just had to say this.. :) > > > Gustavo Barbieri kirjoitti 23.7.2005 kello 21.22: > > > On 7/22/05, Daniel Monteiro > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> thanks for the tip > >> Im quite lost, As I come from the Borland Land, > where > >> everything is graphical , pretty and easy =-P > >> > > > > So, you can use Kdevelop. It doesn't handle SCons > AFAIK, but it does > > handle much of autotools and makefiles in a > graphical way. > > > > But IMHO you should try SCons, it kick ass (i'm > porting some > > software to it). > > > > -- > > Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri > > --- > > Computer Engineer 2001 - UNICAMP > > GPSL - Grupo Pro Software Livre > > Cell..: +55 (19) 9165 8010 > > Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > ICQ#: 17249123 > >MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Skype: gsbarbieri > >GPG: 0xB640E1A2 @ wwwkeys.pgp.net > > ___ > > maemo-developers mailing list > > maemo-developers@maemo.org > > > https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers > > > > ___ > maemo-developers mailing list > maemo-developers@maemo.org > https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers > Daniel "NeoStrider" Monteiro visite: http://www.makingthegame.tk no seu computador ou http://tagtag.com/makegame no seu celular! ___ Yahoo! Acesso Grátis - Internet rápida e grátis. Instale o discador agora! http://br.acesso.yahoo.com/ ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
[maemo-developers] Re: Nokia developer contact
At 02:53 PM 7/25/2005, Wooky wrote: This is a *MAEMO* dev-list. Koen may have sounded harsh, but he got that right. And Maemo is X/GTK+ based. Discussions about porting some other GUI/SDK/whatever should go elsewhere. It is simple as that. Of course, you suffered the effects of re-starting a flamewar you may have not been aware of in the first place, but I guess a good idea is to take a look at the mail-list archives beforehand. take 30 seconds to read what I actually wrote instead of providing a knee jerk reaction because you are obviously, totally not understanding what my question was, just jumping on a hate bandwagon. As for being the nastiest developer mailing list *ever*, you haven't read either Xfree or even the kernel mailing lists recently have you? No, I thought so. ;) I have never, ever in all my years of coding had such nasty immediate response to a totally legitimate question, and I've probably been doing this for longer than you've been alive. > > Koen, seriously, have a tall cool drink of water - you are way off base on > what you are accusing me of doing. I've got no idea what Qt/e propoganda > you are referring to, my company has been happily making and selling > applications for the Sharp Zaurus since before it was officially released, > coming on 4 years now, with over 30 products. I'm not here espousing it to > be better or worse than anything else, we are very aware of what it can and > cannot do, but that is not at all the point of the discussion that *I* am > trying to have. You are being rude as hell with your "This does that DEAL > WITH IT" type comments, they are uncalled for and out of line. Try reading > what I actually wrote. > > I have to say that this is the nastiest developer mail list I have ever > joined, I can't imagine that this kind of interaction with developers is > going to do much to get people developing (no offense to the several kind > people who emailed me publically and privately). I don't know anything > about any wars you might have had on this topic, and it is rude and nasty > of you to jump down my throat as if I was involved with your personal > issues on this topic. > > >Yes, I know all about the QT/e (and the propaganda coupled with it), but > >the 770 (device) and maemo (X11/GTK platform) use X, so there is no way > >you can 'look reasonable within the existing framework' if you want to > >use QT/e painting directly to the framebuffer. To make it abundantly > >clear: the 770 is a *device* which you can do with what you want, but > >maemo is a platform that relies on X and to a lesser extent on GTK. The > >previous QT (be it X11 or /e) discussion ended with the note people > >should stop trolling about QT/e and it's suppossedly superiority and > >start working on making QT work with hildon and osso. Maemo uses X and > >GTK, if that offends you or doesn't fit in to your current development > >platform, don't bother this list. Maemo uses X, deal with it. All these > >'Yes, but qt/e is better' threads start to annoy and aren't > >constructive. Maemo uses X, curse all you want, but that's the truth. > >Don't like it? Produce something better and tell us the results, just > >don't start this pre-emptive whining about QT/e. > >I guess I should now better and stop feeding the trolls (haha, trolltech > >toolkits and trolls), but I think it's time to post a big note to > >maemo.org and nokia.com stating: "Not interested in QT/e, piss off". > >QT is well designed and allows you to build qtopia with X support, no > >problem there. Maemo is a platform, not a device, so pimping opie (a > >nice platform, which is going to switch to QT4/x11, btw) or QT/e annoys > >the crap out of me and judging from the reactions on IRC, a lot of other > >people. Maemo uses X, deal with it. Feel free to install what you want > >on your *device*, but stop bothering us with FUD about X being > >inappriate on embedded devices. > >To make it very clear: QT is nice, a hildonized QT would be a neat thing > >to have, hildonized KDE apps aren't evil, but maemo is primarely a > >X11/GTK platform. Whining about QT/e in the platform (not even the > >device!) list is just childish and promotes prejudices about 'the other > >side of the fence'. > >Either be constructive and start working on proper integration with > >hildon and osso, or continue your effort on a more appropriate > >mailinglist (qt-interest or something). This is a maemo list, not a > >nokia 770 list. Maemo uses X and is a platform. > >I appreciate all the work TT and TK do on qtopia, and their apps are > >very nice, nothing against that, but don't go bullying on maemo for > >being different. I personally carry a deep resentment against QT/e (not > >QT, not qtopia), but that doesn't stop me from working and having fun > >with the Opie people, it just puts me in a foul mood when I read stuff > >like this. Choice is good, so don't stuff qt/e down our throats. > > > >still with regards, > > > >Koen Kooi > > > > >
Re: [maemo-developers] Nokia developer contact?
On 7/25/05, Catalin Climov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Oh man, you've got a lot of anger. Makes me wonder, do you shoot your > neighbours on sight and beat the crap out of your highschool colleagues when > their ideas don't match your own ? Please, let's not add immaturity to the anger that's already here. If the discussion degrades in to juvenile name calling, we can be sure that nothing at all useful will come of it. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Nokia developer contact?
Hi Shawn On Mon, Jul 25, 2005 at 10:52:29AM -0700, Shawn Gordon wrote: > Seems that everyone I knew at Nokia from the "Media Terminal" days is gone, > and we'd like to talk to them about porting our library of applications to > the 770 (www.thekompany.com/embedded) - given that we use Qt/e-Qtopia, I've > been watching the discussion on that topic with interest - has anyone tried > taking a Qtopia app and getting it to run by just including the Qtopia libs > required for it? Aside from that, a contact at Nokia would be really > appreciate, I've seen some names around but no email addresses. Feel free > to reply privately if needed. Thanks. I'm not sure what contact you are looking for :)) If you want to elaborate privately, please use my nokia address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kind Regards -- Misha signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Yea, I know it is the wrong forum, but...
Hi Michael On Mon, Jul 25, 2005 at 05:58:33PM -0400, Michael Stein wrote: > We would like to learn what options exist to resell the 770 as part of a > system. I can't say what the system is, but I can say it is cool and > represents a unique use of the 770. > > Who can I contact at Nokia to talk about opportunities for VAR, OEM, or > just distribution of the 770? At the moment (holiday season in Finland :)), Devesh (CCed) would be the best person to contact about this. Devesh, if my idea is wrong, please tell me so :D Kind Regards, -- Misha signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Nokia developer contact? Shawn Gordon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [maemo-developers] Nokia developer contact?
Wooky wrote: This is a *MAEMO* dev-list. Koen may have sounded harsh, but he got that right. And Maemo is X/GTK+ based. Discussions about porting some other GUI/SDK/whatever should go elsewhere. It is simple as that. Of course, you suffered the effects of re-starting a flamewar you may have not been aware of in the first place, but I guess a good idea is to take a look at the mail-list archives beforehand. Please just take the approach that Kate did: just make maemo fly! We should not care which lib to use. We should care for a consistent user interface. Who cares about using a subset of Qt libs? As long as they are open and as long as the memory need is reasonable there is no reason against doing it. Regards, Matt -- Mattias Schlenker / Tel 0851 9441369 oder 0160 7352988 Freyunger Str. 42 / 94034 Passau / http://mattlog.schlenker-webdesign.de/ http://rura-penthe.schlenker-webdesign.de/steinchenspiel/c.php ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
[maemo-developers] Yea, I know it is the wrong forum, but...
Greetings, I know this is not the right place to ask, but I have been monitoring this list for a while and I know someone here can point me in the right direction . We would like to learn what options exist to resell the 770 as part of a system. I can't say what the system is, but I can say it is cool and represents a unique use of the 770. Who can I contact at Nokia to talk about opportunities for VAR, OEM, or just distribution of the 770? Thanks in advance to anybody who can help. Michael ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Nokia developer contact? Shawn Gordon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [maemo-developers] Nokia developer contact?
This is a *MAEMO* dev-list. Koen may have sounded harsh, but he got that right. And Maemo is X/GTK+ based. Discussions about porting some other GUI/SDK/whatever should go elsewhere. It is simple as that. Of course, you suffered the effects of re-starting a flamewar you may have not been aware of in the first place, but I guess a good idea is to take a look at the mail-list archives beforehand. As for being the nastiest developer mailing list *ever*, you haven't read either Xfree or even the kernel mailing lists recently have you? No, I thought so. ;) > > Koen, seriously, have a tall cool drink of water - you are way off base on > what you are accusing me of doing. I've got no idea what Qt/e propoganda > you are referring to, my company has been happily making and selling > applications for the Sharp Zaurus since before it was officially released, > coming on 4 years now, with over 30 products. I'm not here espousing it to > be better or worse than anything else, we are very aware of what it can and > cannot do, but that is not at all the point of the discussion that *I* am > trying to have. You are being rude as hell with your "This does that DEAL > WITH IT" type comments, they are uncalled for and out of line. Try reading > what I actually wrote. > > I have to say that this is the nastiest developer mail list I have ever > joined, I can't imagine that this kind of interaction with developers is > going to do much to get people developing (no offense to the several kind > people who emailed me publically and privately). I don't know anything > about any wars you might have had on this topic, and it is rude and nasty > of you to jump down my throat as if I was involved with your personal > issues on this topic. > > >Yes, I know all about the QT/e (and the propaganda coupled with it), but > >the 770 (device) and maemo (X11/GTK platform) use X, so there is no way > >you can 'look reasonable within the existing framework' if you want to > >use QT/e painting directly to the framebuffer. To make it abundantly > >clear: the 770 is a *device* which you can do with what you want, but > >maemo is a platform that relies on X and to a lesser extent on GTK. The > >previous QT (be it X11 or /e) discussion ended with the note people > >should stop trolling about QT/e and it's suppossedly superiority and > >start working on making QT work with hildon and osso. Maemo uses X and > >GTK, if that offends you or doesn't fit in to your current development > >platform, don't bother this list. Maemo uses X, deal with it. All these > >'Yes, but qt/e is better' threads start to annoy and aren't > >constructive. Maemo uses X, curse all you want, but that's the truth. > >Don't like it? Produce something better and tell us the results, just > >don't start this pre-emptive whining about QT/e. > >I guess I should now better and stop feeding the trolls (haha, trolltech > >toolkits and trolls), but I think it's time to post a big note to > >maemo.org and nokia.com stating: "Not interested in QT/e, piss off". > >QT is well designed and allows you to build qtopia with X support, no > >problem there. Maemo is a platform, not a device, so pimping opie (a > >nice platform, which is going to switch to QT4/x11, btw) or QT/e annoys > >the crap out of me and judging from the reactions on IRC, a lot of other > >people. Maemo uses X, deal with it. Feel free to install what you want > >on your *device*, but stop bothering us with FUD about X being > >inappriate on embedded devices. > >To make it very clear: QT is nice, a hildonized QT would be a neat thing > >to have, hildonized KDE apps aren't evil, but maemo is primarely a > >X11/GTK platform. Whining about QT/e in the platform (not even the > >device!) list is just childish and promotes prejudices about 'the other > >side of the fence'. > >Either be constructive and start working on proper integration with > >hildon and osso, or continue your effort on a more appropriate > >mailinglist (qt-interest or something). This is a maemo list, not a > >nokia 770 list. Maemo uses X and is a platform. > >I appreciate all the work TT and TK do on qtopia, and their apps are > >very nice, nothing against that, but don't go bullying on maemo for > >being different. I personally carry a deep resentment against QT/e (not > >QT, not qtopia), but that doesn't stop me from working and having fun > >with the Opie people, it just puts me in a foul mood when I read stuff > >like this. Choice is good, so don't stuff qt/e down our throats. > > > >still with regards, > > > >Koen Kooi > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Koen -- Jeferson Lopes Zacco ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Nokia developer contact?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I really think that this place isn't the right place for asking your > question. The difficulty involved in porting Qt based apps to Gtk can vary > a lot. Personally, If I were you and I _really_ wanted to do it. I'd try > to get libqt to work under the scratchbox environment. Then package it as > statically linked to your application executables. Hang on, isn't that > against Trolltechs UA? Anyhow. > > You're part of a business that has chosen to specialise in writing apps > for embedded devices (I'm guessing here). You chose Qt as your platform, > which was shipped with the zaurus. Now, tell me if I'm wrong. I'm guessing > you plan on trying to sell applications to users of the N770 when it gets > shipped. Cool, nothing wrong with that. It isn't however a good idea, in > my opinion, to write apps that: > a) Will look crap on stock devices. (Unless Qt can be hildonised) > b) Do not look like other apps on the device. > c) Don't interface with the core platform. > > So, personally. Even though the wording by koen may have sounded hard. > Unless you plan on helping/starting/doing some Qt modifications to make it > interface, at least a little, with hildon/libosso. You should really get > your development team to read some docs at 'http://www.gtk.org/'. It took > me less than a week to get good enough to write apps in Gtk + Hildon + > libosso. This sums up my point in a clear and non-offensive way. My apologies to the other people I seem to have insulted. regards. Koen > ___ > maemo-developers mailing list > maemo-developers@maemo.org > https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) iD8DBQFC5VsBMkyGM64RGpERAo8nAKC58V1GYnD0fKgZPC+bJqyg/rD2vQCdFRpT NJbo2fwxGdM1GV/0SuUVRNw= =qcfK -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Nokia developer contact?
At 02:24 PM 7/25/2005, you wrote: I really think that this place isn't the right place for asking your question. It's the perfect place as evidenced by your well thought out response below: The difficulty involved in porting Qt based apps to Gtk can vary a lot. Personally, If I were you and I _really_ wanted to do it. I'd try to get libqt to work under the scratchbox environment. Then package it as statically linked to your application executables. Hang on, isn't that against Trolltechs UA? Anyhow. Remember there is a difference between the open source version and the commercial version, we have a commercial license, which might still be a problem, I'm in the research phase right now. You're part of a business that has chosen to specialise in writing apps for embedded devices (I'm guessing here). You chose Qt as your platform, which was shipped with the zaurus. Now, tell me if I'm wrong. I'm guessing you plan on trying to sell applications to users of the N770 when it gets shipped. Cool, nothing wrong with that. It isn't however a good idea, in my opinion, to write apps that: a) Will look crap on stock devices. (Unless Qt can be hildonised) b) Do not look like other apps on the device. c) Don't interface with the core platform. well, we don't know that any of those items will be true yet do we? That is the point of researching it. First we find out if it is a viable short term option technically, then we do a proof of concept to see how it works in reality. If it doesn't look and work naturally on the device (like most Java apps on the Zaurus) then it won't make sense to do it that way. So, personally. Even though the wording by koen may have sounded hard. Unless you plan on helping/starting/doing some Qt modifications to make it interface, at least a little, with hildon/libosso. who knows, we might - like I said, this is all research right now You should really get your development team to read some docs at 'http://www.gtk.org/'. It took me less than a week to get good enough to write apps in Gtk + Hildon + libosso. oh, we know all about Gtk, but take a look at www.thekompany.com/embedded and you tell me what is going to be faster, rewriting all those apps or have a way to make them run 'as is' and react naturally on the device. From the user experience perspective they don't care what OS is on it, or the toolkit used to get there, they want apps that do what they want, are easy to use and typically attractive. That is what my focus is. Maybe in a week we'll find that there is no reasonable way to have our apps run 'as is' and we will have to start porting. Like I said, our presentation layer is nicely partitioned from the transaction layer for the most part, so we would typically just be rewriting the UI, which might be relatively trivial, but we won't know till we get in to it deeper. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers Regards, Shawn Gordon President theKompany.com www.thekompany.com www.mindawn.com 949-713-3276 ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Nokia developer contact?
At 02:17 PM 7/25/2005, you wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Shawn Gordon wrote: > At 01:36 PM 7/25/2005, you wrote: > > Shawn Gordon wrote: >> At 11:12 AM 7/25/2005, you wrote: > >> Shawn Gordon wrote: >>> Hi, > >>> Seems that everyone I knew at Nokia from the "Media Terminal" days is >>> gone, and we'd like to talk to them about porting our library of >>> applications to the 770 (www.thekompany.com/embedded) - given that we >>> use Qt/e-Qtopia, I've been watching the discussion on that topic with >>> interest - has anyone tried taking a Qtopia app and getting it to >> run by >>> just including the Qtopia libs required for it? Aside from that, a >>> contact at Nokia would be really appreciate, I've seen some names >> around >>> but no email addresses. Feel free to reply privately if needed. >> Thanks. > >> Do you mean rebuilding qtopia to use QT/x11, or bypassing X and using >> QT/e or (*gasp*) qvfb on X? > > >>> Qt/e has its own framebuffer and doesn't use X, which is part of the >>> appeal for it on embedded devices, I think the footprint is about 3mb >>> (Lorn, correct me if I'm wrong) - for my purposes I don't care > about X, >>> I'm just trying to figure out if we can kind of carry our own >>> environment along and have it work and look reasonable within the >>> existing framework, I'm sure someone will port Opie to the device at >>> some point and try using our applications on it, and some of them > might >>> even work like that. Our applications are typically well partitioned >>> between the presentation and application layer, so a port isn't > terribly >>> hard, but anything to make the process quicker is a good thing from > our >>> perspective. > > kernel concepts or any other company.> > > >> Koen, seriously, have a tall cool drink of water - you are way off base >> on what you are accusing me of doing. I've got no idea what Qt/e >> propoganda you are referring to, my company has been happily making and >> selling applications for the Sharp Zaurus since before it was officially >> released, coming on 4 years now, with over 30 products. I'm not here >> espousing it to be better or worse than anything else, we are very aware >> of what it can and cannot do, but that is not at all the point of the >> discussion that *I* am trying to have. You are being rude as hell with >> your "This does that DEAL WITH IT" type comments, they are uncalled for >> and out of line. Try reading what I actually wrote. I sincerely apoligize for being rude. I just got pissed of by the fact that QT/e got dragged into the discussion again. The opie project proves that you can support X11 by changing a config option. I've used several apps from you company, which were very nice apps. I just found the qtopia env to limiting. Couple that with Lorn spreading FUD on opie-devel (see the QT4 thread) and I get a bit paranoid. I stopped paying attention to all the zaurus, opie, openzaurus discussions years ago, so I have no idea what might be getting discussed. All I really know is that supposedly the next major release of Qt/e is going to be based on Qt4 but until there is a device using it, it doesn't matter to me. The point you seem to be missing in everything I wrote is that I stated the fact that our apps are Qtopia, I didn't say anything else about it or rewriting the rom or making Qtopia run on the device. I just want my apps to run in the current environment and if there is a way for me to do that and leave them essentially unchanged as a first cut, then so much the better for us to get software out by the release of the device. I could care less about any of the holy wars about what everyone likes, we did our technical review of toolkits years ago and made our decision and we've been happy with it, I don't need to convince anyone else and I'm not trying to. > >> I have to say that this is the nastiest developer mail list I have ever >> joined, We are still celebrating a QT/e free device and platform (and we are probaly gnome zealots too), on a *gtk* centered mailinglist. This is no excuse, but I wouldn't expect a parade and a visit from the president when saying you want to use QT/e. I really don't get your animosity. Every toolkit has its plusses and minuses, but as far as I know, Qtopia is the only embedded desktop on embedded linux that is being used in the real world on real devices at the moment, it must be on about 10 different Zaurus and the Archos and some other things. I'm not aware of any shipping hardware that uses Maemo at the moment. This is not propaganda or anything else, just a statement of fact. Qt/e works and it works very well, but again, it's not germane to this list or to my question, so I don't care about anyones zealotry, I have problems that I need to solve and I'm trying to find the best solution in terms of time, money and effectiveness. Again my apologies for being rude, and I sincerely hope you can find a way to run TK apps
Re: [maemo-developers] Nokia developer contact?
Hi, Catalin Climov wrote: > Oh man, you've got a lot of anger. Makes me wonder, do you shoot your > neighbours on sight and beat the crap out of your highschool colleagues when > their ideas don't match your own ? i don't get your point... at highscool we discussed these kind of topics. That's mostly what we are doing here. I don't know what your experience is, but this kind of discussion get loud from time to time like this discussion here does. But even then it is no reason for to use physical force. I can see why he is angry - but if you want to start a flamewar please go on, i guess you have some good arguments ;-) Greetings Florian -- The dream of yesterday Florian Boor is the hope of todayTel: 0271-771091-14 and the reality of tomorrow.Fax: 0271-771091-19 [Robert Hutchings Goddard, 1904][EMAIL PROTECTED] 6C 44 30 4C 43 20 6B 61 16 07 0F AA E6 97 70 A8 ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Nokia developer contact?
I really think that this place isn't the right place for asking your question. The difficulty involved in porting Qt based apps to Gtk can vary a lot. Personally, If I were you and I _really_ wanted to do it. I'd try to get libqt to work under the scratchbox environment. Then package it as statically linked to your application executables. Hang on, isn't that against Trolltechs UA? Anyhow. You're part of a business that has chosen to specialise in writing apps for embedded devices (I'm guessing here). You chose Qt as your platform, which was shipped with the zaurus. Now, tell me if I'm wrong. I'm guessing you plan on trying to sell applications to users of the N770 when it gets shipped. Cool, nothing wrong with that. It isn't however a good idea, in my opinion, to write apps that: a) Will look crap on stock devices. (Unless Qt can be hildonised) b) Do not look like other apps on the device. c) Don't interface with the core platform. So, personally. Even though the wording by koen may have sounded hard. Unless you plan on helping/starting/doing some Qt modifications to make it interface, at least a little, with hildon/libosso. You should really get your development team to read some docs at 'http://www.gtk.org/'. It took me less than a week to get good enough to write apps in Gtk + Hildon + libosso. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Nokia developer contact?
Oh man, you've got a lot of anger. Makes me wonder, do you shoot your neighbours on sight and beat the crap out of your highschool colleagues when their ideas don't match your own ? Regards, Catalin. On Mon 25 Jul 2005 23:36, Koen Kooi wrote: > kernel concepts or any other company.> > > Yes, I know all about the QT/e (and the propaganda coupled with it), but > the 770 (device) and maemo (X11/GTK platform) use X, so there is no way > you can 'look reasonable within the existing framework' if you want to > use QT/e painting directly to the framebuffer. To make it abundantly > clear: the 770 is a *device* which you can do with what you want, but > maemo is a platform that relies on X and to a lesser extent on GTK. The > previous QT (be it X11 or /e) discussion ended with the note people > should stop trolling about QT/e and it's suppossedly superiority and > start working on making QT work with hildon and osso. Maemo uses X and > GTK, if that offends you or doesn't fit in to your current development > platform, don't bother this list. Maemo uses X, deal with it. All these > 'Yes, but qt/e is better' threads start to annoy and aren't > constructive. Maemo uses X, curse all you want, but that's the truth. > Don't like it? Produce something better and tell us the results, just > don't start this pre-emptive whining about QT/e. > I guess I should now better and stop feeding the trolls (haha, trolltech > toolkits and trolls), but I think it's time to post a big note to > maemo.org and nokia.com stating: "Not interested in QT/e, piss off". > QT is well designed and allows you to build qtopia with X support, no > problem there. Maemo is a platform, not a device, so pimping opie (a > nice platform, which is going to switch to QT4/x11, btw) or QT/e annoys > the crap out of me and judging from the reactions on IRC, a lot of other > people. Maemo uses X, deal with it. Feel free to install what you want > on your *device*, but stop bothering us with FUD about X being > inappriate on embedded devices. > To make it very clear: QT is nice, a hildonized QT would be a neat thing > to have, hildonized KDE apps aren't evil, but maemo is primarely a > X11/GTK platform. Whining about QT/e in the platform (not even the > device!) list is just childish and promotes prejudices about 'the other > side of the fence'. > Either be constructive and start working on proper integration with > hildon and osso, or continue your effort on a more appropriate > mailinglist (qt-interest or something). This is a maemo list, not a > nokia 770 list. Maemo uses X and is a platform. > I appreciate all the work TT and TK do on qtopia, and their apps are > very nice, nothing against that, but don't go bullying on maemo for > being different. I personally carry a deep resentment against QT/e (not > QT, not qtopia), but that doesn't stop me from working and having fun > with the Opie people, it just puts me in a foul mood when I read stuff > like this. Choice is good, so don't stuff qt/e down our throats. > > still with regards, > > Koen Kooi > > > regards, > > > > Koen > > > >> Best Regards, > >> > >> Shawn Gordon > >> President > >> theKompany.com > >> www.thekompany.com > >> www.mindawn.com > >> 949-713-3276 > >> > >> > >> ___ > >> maemo-developers mailing list > >> maemo-developers@maemo.org > >> https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers > > > > Regards, > > > > Shawn Gordon > > President > > theKompany.com > > www.thekompany.com > > www.mindawn.com > > 949-713-3276 > > ___ > maemo-developers mailing list > maemo-developers@maemo.org > https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Nokia developer contact?
At 01:36 PM 7/25/2005, you wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Shawn Gordon wrote: > At 11:12 AM 7/25/2005, you wrote: > > Shawn Gordon wrote: >> Hi, > >> Seems that everyone I knew at Nokia from the "Media Terminal" days is >> gone, and we'd like to talk to them about porting our library of >> applications to the 770 (www.thekompany.com/embedded) - given that we >> use Qt/e-Qtopia, I've been watching the discussion on that topic with >> interest - has anyone tried taking a Qtopia app and getting it to > run by >> just including the Qtopia libs required for it? Aside from that, a >> contact at Nokia would be really appreciate, I've seen some names > around >> but no email addresses. Feel free to reply privately if needed. > Thanks. > > Do you mean rebuilding qtopia to use QT/x11, or bypassing X and using > QT/e or (*gasp*) qvfb on X? > > >> Qt/e has its own framebuffer and doesn't use X, which is part of the >> appeal for it on embedded devices, I think the footprint is about 3mb >> (Lorn, correct me if I'm wrong) - for my purposes I don't care about X, >> I'm just trying to figure out if we can kind of carry our own >> environment along and have it work and look reasonable within the >> existing framework, I'm sure someone will port Opie to the device at >> some point and try using our applications on it, and some of them might >> even work like that. Our applications are typically well partitioned >> between the presentation and application layer, so a port isn't terribly >> hard, but anything to make the process quicker is a good thing from our >> perspective. Koen, seriously, have a tall cool drink of water - you are way off base on what you are accusing me of doing. I've got no idea what Qt/e propoganda you are referring to, my company has been happily making and selling applications for the Sharp Zaurus since before it was officially released, coming on 4 years now, with over 30 products. I'm not here espousing it to be better or worse than anything else, we are very aware of what it can and cannot do, but that is not at all the point of the discussion that *I* am trying to have. You are being rude as hell with your "This does that DEAL WITH IT" type comments, they are uncalled for and out of line. Try reading what I actually wrote. I have to say that this is the nastiest developer mail list I have ever joined, I can't imagine that this kind of interaction with developers is going to do much to get people developing (no offense to the several kind people who emailed me publically and privately). I don't know anything about any wars you might have had on this topic, and it is rude and nasty of you to jump down my throat as if I was involved with your personal issues on this topic. Yes, I know all about the QT/e (and the propaganda coupled with it), but the 770 (device) and maemo (X11/GTK platform) use X, so there is no way you can 'look reasonable within the existing framework' if you want to use QT/e painting directly to the framebuffer. To make it abundantly clear: the 770 is a *device* which you can do with what you want, but maemo is a platform that relies on X and to a lesser extent on GTK. The previous QT (be it X11 or /e) discussion ended with the note people should stop trolling about QT/e and it's suppossedly superiority and start working on making QT work with hildon and osso. Maemo uses X and GTK, if that offends you or doesn't fit in to your current development platform, don't bother this list. Maemo uses X, deal with it. All these 'Yes, but qt/e is better' threads start to annoy and aren't constructive. Maemo uses X, curse all you want, but that's the truth. Don't like it? Produce something better and tell us the results, just don't start this pre-emptive whining about QT/e. I guess I should now better and stop feeding the trolls (haha, trolltech toolkits and trolls), but I think it's time to post a big note to maemo.org and nokia.com stating: "Not interested in QT/e, piss off". QT is well designed and allows you to build qtopia with X support, no problem there. Maemo is a platform, not a device, so pimping opie (a nice platform, which is going to switch to QT4/x11, btw) or QT/e annoys the crap out of me and judging from the reactions on IRC, a lot of other people. Maemo uses X, deal with it. Feel free to install what you want on your *device*, but stop bothering us with FUD about X being inappriate on embedded devices. To make it very clear: QT is nice, a hildonized QT would be a neat thing to have, hildonized KDE apps aren't evil, but maemo is primarely a X11/GTK platform. Whining about QT/e in the platform (not even the device!) list is just childish and promotes prejudices about 'the other side of the fence'. Either be constructive and start working on proper integration with hildon and osso, or continue your effort on a more appropriate mailinglist (qt-interest or something). This is a maemo list, not a nokia 770 list. Maemo uses X
Re: [maemo-developers] Nokia developer contact?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Shawn Gordon wrote: > At 11:12 AM 7/25/2005, you wrote: > > Shawn Gordon wrote: >> Hi, > >> Seems that everyone I knew at Nokia from the "Media Terminal" days is >> gone, and we'd like to talk to them about porting our library of >> applications to the 770 (www.thekompany.com/embedded) - given that we >> use Qt/e-Qtopia, I've been watching the discussion on that topic with >> interest - has anyone tried taking a Qtopia app and getting it to > run by >> just including the Qtopia libs required for it? Aside from that, a >> contact at Nokia would be really appreciate, I've seen some names > around >> but no email addresses. Feel free to reply privately if needed. > Thanks. > > Do you mean rebuilding qtopia to use QT/x11, or bypassing X and using > QT/e or (*gasp*) qvfb on X? > > >> Qt/e has its own framebuffer and doesn't use X, which is part of the >> appeal for it on embedded devices, I think the footprint is about 3mb >> (Lorn, correct me if I'm wrong) - for my purposes I don't care about X, >> I'm just trying to figure out if we can kind of carry our own >> environment along and have it work and look reasonable within the >> existing framework, I'm sure someone will port Opie to the device at >> some point and try using our applications on it, and some of them might >> even work like that. Our applications are typically well partitioned >> between the presentation and application layer, so a port isn't terribly >> hard, but anything to make the process quicker is a good thing from our >> perspective. Yes, I know all about the QT/e (and the propaganda coupled with it), but the 770 (device) and maemo (X11/GTK platform) use X, so there is no way you can 'look reasonable within the existing framework' if you want to use QT/e painting directly to the framebuffer. To make it abundantly clear: the 770 is a *device* which you can do with what you want, but maemo is a platform that relies on X and to a lesser extent on GTK. The previous QT (be it X11 or /e) discussion ended with the note people should stop trolling about QT/e and it's suppossedly superiority and start working on making QT work with hildon and osso. Maemo uses X and GTK, if that offends you or doesn't fit in to your current development platform, don't bother this list. Maemo uses X, deal with it. All these 'Yes, but qt/e is better' threads start to annoy and aren't constructive. Maemo uses X, curse all you want, but that's the truth. Don't like it? Produce something better and tell us the results, just don't start this pre-emptive whining about QT/e. I guess I should now better and stop feeding the trolls (haha, trolltech toolkits and trolls), but I think it's time to post a big note to maemo.org and nokia.com stating: "Not interested in QT/e, piss off". QT is well designed and allows you to build qtopia with X support, no problem there. Maemo is a platform, not a device, so pimping opie (a nice platform, which is going to switch to QT4/x11, btw) or QT/e annoys the crap out of me and judging from the reactions on IRC, a lot of other people. Maemo uses X, deal with it. Feel free to install what you want on your *device*, but stop bothering us with FUD about X being inappriate on embedded devices. To make it very clear: QT is nice, a hildonized QT would be a neat thing to have, hildonized KDE apps aren't evil, but maemo is primarely a X11/GTK platform. Whining about QT/e in the platform (not even the device!) list is just childish and promotes prejudices about 'the other side of the fence'. Either be constructive and start working on proper integration with hildon and osso, or continue your effort on a more appropriate mailinglist (qt-interest or something). This is a maemo list, not a nokia 770 list. Maemo uses X and is a platform. I appreciate all the work TT and TK do on qtopia, and their apps are very nice, nothing against that, but don't go bullying on maemo for being different. I personally carry a deep resentment against QT/e (not QT, not qtopia), but that doesn't stop me from working and having fun with the Opie people, it just puts me in a foul mood when I read stuff like this. Choice is good, so don't stuff qt/e down our throats. still with regards, Koen Kooi > > > regards, > > Koen > > > > >> Best Regards, > >> Shawn Gordon >> President >> theKompany.com >> www.thekompany.com >> www.mindawn.com >> 949-713-3276 > > >> ___ >> maemo-developers mailing list >> maemo-developers@maemo.org >> https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers > > > Regards, > Shawn Gordon > President > theKompany.com > www.thekompany.com > www.mindawn.com > 949-713-3276 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) iD8DBQFC5U05MkyGM64RGpERAoJDAJ9UHAUdgdbvIM1NrjuYsfgg5uNCTACeNe68 ygrmmuuXDn/fWCPp2j9BU9U= =3m1/ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-deve
Re: [maemo-developers] Nokia developer contact?
At 01:26 PM 7/25/2005, Mattias Schlenker wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not unless you plan on porting the applications to Hildon & Gtk. Perhaps I'm being misunderstood. KDE is a totally different beast than Qtopia, I don't think it makes sense to try and port that myself, and I'm not trying to replace a toolkit or compare environments, what I'm trying to determine is if there is a realistic way to have our Qtopia based apps run on Maemo as an intermediate step to a native port so we can get our apps out quickly. Oh no. Not another flamewar, please. Both Maemo and Qtopia are good (if not great) examples of free software. We had discussions on porting Qt and flamewars on the best environment for the N770 before and did not find a solution that satiesfies all people debating here. We do not have the RAM for supporting both Qtopia/KDE and Maemo/Gnome at the same time, but taking a subset of "the other" library, integrating the app and porting it this way is a good thing. As much as I do *not* like the K Desktop Environment, I like Trolltech's efforts of providing a portable library for any OS. Regards, Matt PS: I might just be some kind of car mechanic (and even worse journalist) tinkering around with his own distribution (called "lesslinux"), so do not take me too seriously... :-) -- Mattias Schlenker / Tel 0851 9441369 oder 0160 7352988 Freyunger Str. 42 / 94034 Passau / http://mattlog.schlenker-webdesign.de/ http://rura-penthe.schlenker-webdesign.de/steinchenspiel/c.php ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers Regards, Shawn Gordon President theKompany.com www.thekompany.com www.mindawn.com 949-713-3276 ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Nokia developer contact?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not unless you plan on porting the applications to Hildon & Gtk. Oh no. Not another flamewar, please. Both Maemo and Qtopia are good (if not great) examples of free software. We had discussions on porting Qt and flamewars on the best environment for the N770 before and did not find a solution that satiesfies all people debating here. We do not have the RAM for supporting both Qtopia/KDE and Maemo/Gnome at the same time, but taking a subset of "the other" library, integrating the app and porting it this way is a good thing. As much as I do *not* like the K Desktop Environment, I like Trolltech's efforts of providing a portable library for any OS. Regards, Matt PS: I might just be some kind of car mechanic (and even worse journalist) tinkering around with his own distribution (called "lesslinux"), so do not take me too seriously... :-) -- Mattias Schlenker / Tel 0851 9441369 oder 0160 7352988 Freyunger Str. 42 / 94034 Passau / http://mattlog.schlenker-webdesign.de/ http://rura-penthe.schlenker-webdesign.de/steinchenspiel/c.php ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Nokia developer contact?
At 12:51 PM 7/25/2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jul 25, 2005 at 09:38:07PM +0200, Florian Boor wrote: > Hi Shawn, > > Shawn Gordon wrote: > > Seems that everyone I knew at Nokia from the "Media Terminal" days is > > gone, and we'd like to talk to them about porting our library of > > applications to the 770 (www.thekompany.com/embedded) - given that we > > i'm not from Nokia, but i'd like to talk about it - so where do we start? > How about a Qt/KDE mailing list? I'm not going to get into a rant. I just don't think this is the place for that type of discussion. Not unless you plan on porting the applications to Hildon & Gtk. what is the deal with the animosity about Qt for goodness sakes? This is a real world situation, there is a rather large library of code out there that works with Qt/e and there are apparently a number of people interested in finding a way to get it to work in this environment without having to rewrite the app if possible. ther are people who made X based roms for the Zaurus and those conversations all were taking place in various qt embedded lists and IRC forums. This is a technical discussion on how to solve a problem not "mine is better than yours" rant. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers Regards, Shawn Gordon President theKompany.com www.thekompany.com www.mindawn.com 949-713-3276 ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
[maemo-developers] Build systems (was: new software for 770)
If you fancy Lua instead of Python, you may try Hamster (ex. SCons/ Lua). It's very much a subset/superset of what SCons offers, only smaller. http://www.lua.org http://www.python.org/ http://kotisivu.dnainternet.fi/askok/hamster/ Just had to say this.. :) Gustavo Barbieri kirjoitti 23.7.2005 kello 21.22: On 7/22/05, Daniel Monteiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: thanks for the tip Im quite lost, As I come from the Borland Land, where everything is graphical , pretty and easy =-P So, you can use Kdevelop. It doesn't handle SCons AFAIK, but it does handle much of autotools and makefiles in a graphical way. But IMHO you should try SCons, it kick ass (i'm porting some software to it). -- Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri --- Computer Engineer 2001 - UNICAMP GPSL - Grupo Pro Software Livre Cell..: +55 (19) 9165 8010 Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ#: 17249123 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype: gsbarbieri GPG: 0xB640E1A2 @ wwwkeys.pgp.net ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Nokia developer contact?
On Mon, Jul 25, 2005 at 09:38:07PM +0200, Florian Boor wrote: > Hi Shawn, > > Shawn Gordon wrote: > > Seems that everyone I knew at Nokia from the "Media Terminal" days is > > gone, and we'd like to talk to them about porting our library of > > applications to the 770 (www.thekompany.com/embedded) - given that we > > i'm not from Nokia, but i'd like to talk about it - so where do we start? > How about a Qt/KDE mailing list? I'm not going to get into a rant. I just don't think this is the place for that type of discussion. Not unless you plan on porting the applications to Hildon & Gtk. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Nokia developer contact?
Hi Shawn, Shawn Gordon wrote: > Seems that everyone I knew at Nokia from the "Media Terminal" days is > gone, and we'd like to talk to them about porting our library of > applications to the 770 (www.thekompany.com/embedded) - given that we i'm not from Nokia, but i'd like to talk about it - so where do we start? Greetings Florian -- The dream of yesterday Florian Boor is the hope of todayTel: 0271-771091-14 and the reality of tomorrow.Fax: 0271-771091-19 [Robert Hutchings Goddard, 1904][EMAIL PROTECTED] 6C 44 30 4C 43 20 6B 61 16 07 0F AA E6 97 70 A8 ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Nokia developer contact?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Shawn Gordon wrote: > Hi, > > Seems that everyone I knew at Nokia from the "Media Terminal" days is > gone, and we'd like to talk to them about porting our library of > applications to the 770 (www.thekompany.com/embedded) - given that we > use Qt/e-Qtopia, I've been watching the discussion on that topic with > interest - has anyone tried taking a Qtopia app and getting it to run by > just including the Qtopia libs required for it? Aside from that, a > contact at Nokia would be really appreciate, I've seen some names around > but no email addresses. Feel free to reply privately if needed. Thanks. Do you mean rebuilding qtopia to use QT/x11, or bypassing X and using QT/e or (*gasp*) qvfb on X? regards, Koen > > > Best Regards, > > Shawn Gordon > President > theKompany.com > www.thekompany.com > www.mindawn.com > 949-713-3276 > > > ___ > maemo-developers mailing list > maemo-developers@maemo.org > https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) iD8DBQFC5St9MkyGM64RGpERArYzAJ94KVWkCovzLAH1mt/Sjkv91r1ArACdHEWK dfJaHG7dXCOhNV52htJSyms= =Ysdd -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
[maemo-developers] Location of Icons
Hello all, i'm currently testing a new set of application packages for the 770. I noticed that the development images still have their icons in a different location than the production images. Are there plans to change this? Greetings Florian -- The dream of yesterday Florian Boor is the hope of todayTel: 0271-771091-14 and the reality of tomorrow.Fax: 0271-771091-19 [Robert Hutchings Goddard, 1904][EMAIL PROTECTED] 6C 44 30 4C 43 20 6B 61 16 07 0F AA E6 97 70 A8 ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
[maemo-developers] Nokia developer contact?
Hi, Seems that everyone I knew at Nokia from the "Media Terminal" days is gone, and we'd like to talk to them about porting our library of applications to the 770 (www.thekompany.com/embedded) - given that we use Qt/e-Qtopia, I've been watching the discussion on that topic with interest - has anyone tried taking a Qtopia app and getting it to run by just including the Qtopia libs required for it? Aside from that, a contact at Nokia would be really appreciate, I've seen some names around but no email addresses. Feel free to reply privately if needed. Thanks. Best Regards, Shawn Gordon President theKompany.com www.thekompany.com www.mindawn.com 949-713-3276 ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] show a lot of widget at the same time
If you want to show more than one widget you should pack them into containers. For example using boxes or tables. See GTK+ API documentation for V/HBox and Table widgets. (http://developer.gnome.org/doc/API/2.0/gtk/index.html) - Erik --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Mon, 25 Jul 2005, rh wrote: How is the program to show more than one widget at the same time (eg: to show image & button) ? BR, ronny ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] show a lot of widget at the same time
Hi,
I want to change the view of the MaemoPad tutorial. So I want to add image &
button on the blank area at the middle of the screen.
The image size is fullscreen (800 x 480), and I want to put the button at
the middle of the image.
The image is appear, but the button doesn't appear.
Why ? Can you tell me what's wrong with my program ?
My code is like this :
MainView* interface_main_view_new( AppData *data )
{
MainView* result = g_new0( MainView, 1 );
GtkWidget *main_vbox = gtk_vbox_new( FALSE, 0 );
result->clipboard = gtk_clipboard_get(GDK_SELECTION_CLIPBOARD);
result->file_edited = FALSE;
result->data = data;
result->data->main_view =HILDON_APPVIEW(hildon_appview_new( _(
MAIN_TEXT ) ));
create_textarea( result );
create_toolbar( result );
create_menu( result );
result->image
=gtk_image_new_from_file("/usr/share/themes/default/images/mainscreen.jpg");
result->button=gtk_button_new_with_label("test");
gtk_container_add( GTK_CONTAINER(result->data->main_view ), main_vbox );
gtk_box_pack_start( GTK_BOX( main_vbox ),result->scrolledwindow, TRUE,
TRUE, 0 );
gtk_box_pack_start( GTK_BOX( main_vbox ),result->image, TRUE, TRUE, 0 );
gtk_box_pack_start( GTK_BOX( main_vbox ),result->button, TRUE, TRUE,
0 );
gtk_widget_show(result->image);
gtk_widget_show(result->button);
gtk_widget_show( main_vbox );
gtk_widget_grab_focus( GTK_WIDGET(result->textview));
result->file_edited=FALSE;
result->file_name=NULL;
return result;
}
BR,
Ronny
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Re: [maemo-developers] new software for 770
Perhaps what was meant that it doesn't have support for building SConstruct files. But as it's so easy to write them manually, I see no problem in it. On Sun, 2005-07-24 at 03:16 +0300, ext Timo Savola wrote: > On Sat, 2005-07-23 at 15:22 -0300, Gustavo Barbieri wrote: > > > So, you can use Kdevelop. It doesn't handle SCons AFAIK, but it does > > handle much of autotools and makefiles in a graphical way. > > Replace "make" with "scons" in the project settings and it works fine. > > timo > > > ___ > maemo-developers mailing list > maemo-developers@maemo.org > https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] show a lot of widget at the same time
Hello, rh wrote: > How is the program to show more than one widget at the same time (eg: to > show image & button) ? you need to use a container widget to arrange the widgets. For example a GtkVbox or a GtkTable, the tutorial https://maemo.org/platform/docs/tutorials/Maemo_tutorial.html and the application howto https://maemo.org/platform/docs/howtos/howto_new_application.html should contain some examples. Greetings Florian -- The dream of yesterday Florian Boor is the hope of todayTel: 0271-771091-14 and the reality of tomorrow.Fax: 0271-771091-19 [Robert Hutchings Goddard, 1904][EMAIL PROTECTED] 6C 44 30 4C 43 20 6B 61 16 07 0F AA E6 97 70 A8 ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
[maemo-developers] show a lot of widget at the same time
How is the program to show more than one widget at the same time (eg: to show image & button) ? BR, ronny ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
