Re: [maemo-developers] garage/extras repository for bora?
> Seconded. It would also give a good way to branch apps that have to > be code-nonidentical for the two releases (e.g. xv vs xsp pixel > doubling) without silly package name hacks. > For some reason we need to clarify thousand+1 things (mainly legal) before we can offer such service. I had an idea back in December that maybe maemo could finally co-operate with OpenEmbedded and see if we could get the extras packages from their build system. It should be technically possible. I promised to send a mail to Koen and Florian about this "trial", but never got there yet. Perhaps this could kick off the discussion here, on the maemo dev list. I agree. The more maemo can support the developers to create applications that can work on different devices/configurations the better. I would say that maemo is responsible of providing a build system that supports it's hardware configurations and software restrictions. So I think maemo should provide an elegant solution/SDK for building apps that will or run on the different devices or create different apps.The proposed SDK with 4 targets is really a short term solution as it already only will support the people who upgraded to the latesed 770 release, perhaps it can be extended with some scripts to automate the work.I think Levi's idea resembles the gentoo's portage a lot, where the n800 branch would have a few more "flags" on. At first I was thinking that nokia should also provide the service but more important actually is to have a system in place where developers are helped in developing the apps. What would be the implications if it where not maemo who hosted this service? If the same build system is used would it be a matter of configuration to let others (read nokia or other developers) build the binaries for the different packages so that we have an extras repository with code of the applictions available? Would that also work for closed source apps? Would it be possible for nokia to develop there new "secret sexy" devices? greetings p.s. I replied to this email yesterday but I used the reply button from gmail so only Evli go my replied , is this a problem with he configuration of the mailing list? ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Using the N770/N800 as a remote control.
On 1/9/07, Brad Midgley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: hey > There is another problem: The N770 has a USB-Host mode (which is > necessary if you want to run such IrDA adapters) but it does not power > the USB port. I have made an adapter cable to power 5 Volts to an > external HDD drive via USB and it worked very well. But I think for a IR > transmitter this solution would be very unhandy. by the time you do all this you'll wonder why you're not using wifi or bluetooth to send commands. It would be easier to set up a pc that will relay commands over IR or a media pc that will just act on them. Phillips RC9800i has both IR and 802.11g. I got the IR support working in half an hour and I still haven't gotten around to building a computer to relay IR signals over 11g. My media server is located in the basement. I use a UPNP AV player like the DSM-520 to play the media. There is no general purpose PC located near the TV. This set up works well to support playing media from TV's in four different rooms. The other trouble with using radio is the you have to tell the remote which room it is in. IR doesn't travel between rooms. If you carry an IR remote to another room, it won't still control the TV in the first room. Brad ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers -- Jon Smirl [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Using the N770/N800 as a remote control.
On 1/9/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Jon Smirl wrote: > You can get IrDA versions everywhere. > http://www.buyextras.com/irdaadapters.html?gclid=CNDDxsHW1IkCFRFBgQodfF4i4Q > But these are in the wrong frequency band for a remote control. There is another problem: The N770 has a USB-Host mode (which is necessary if you want to run such IrDA adapters) but it does not power the USB port. I have made an adapter cable to power 5 Volts to an external HDD drive via USB and it worked very well. But I think for a IR transmitter this solution would be very unhandy. Is it no power at all, or just not very much power? With no power you can't even use a USB memory dongle. Hard disks take way more power than a USB port can provide. IR transmitter doesn't need much power, the one I am using now says it needs 100mA. And that's a peak value. It would be interesting if the N800 has a "powered" USB hostmode... -Klaus-- Klaus Rotter * klaus rotters de * www.rotters.de ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers -- Jon Smirl [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Using the N770/N800 as a remote control.
hey > There is another problem: The N770 has a USB-Host mode (which is > necessary if you want to run such IrDA adapters) but it does not power > the USB port. I have made an adapter cable to power 5 Volts to an > external HDD drive via USB and it worked very well. But I think for a IR > transmitter this solution would be very unhandy. by the time you do all this you'll wonder why you're not using wifi or bluetooth to send commands. It would be easier to set up a pc that will relay commands over IR or a media pc that will just act on them. Brad ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Using the N770/N800 as a remote control.
Jon Smirl wrote: > You can get IrDA versions everywhere. > http://www.buyextras.com/irdaadapters.html?gclid=CNDDxsHW1IkCFRFBgQodfF4i4Q > But these are in the wrong frequency band for a remote control. There is another problem: The N770 has a USB-Host mode (which is necessary if you want to run such IrDA adapters) but it does not power the USB port. I have made an adapter cable to power 5 Volts to an external HDD drive via USB and it worked very well. But I think for a IR transmitter this solution would be very unhandy. It would be interesting if the N800 has a "powered" USB hostmode... -Klaus-- Klaus Rotter * klaus rotters de * www.rotters.de ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Using the N770/N800 as a remote control.
On 1/9/07, Daniel Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Tue, Jan 09, 2007 at 07:44:18PM -0500, ext Jon Smirl wrote: > Did a SIR transmitter make in into the N800? I have a Phillips RC9800i > remote control and I would like to replace it with my N770 or a N800. > http://www.hometheatermag.com/accessories/0406philips/ No, it did not. You can get IrDA versions everywhere. http://www.buyextras.com/irdaadapters.html?gclid=CNDDxsHW1IkCFRFBgQodfF4i4Q But these are in the wrong frequency band for a remote control. The software is more interesting than the hardware. For example you could extract program guides from tv.yahoo.com. The Philips device has an activity based UI. You click on watch DVD and it turns on the TV, DVD and stereo and then sets everything to the right inputs. This would make a good add-on product if Nokia is interested. -- Jon Smirl [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] garage/extras repository for bora?
Hi ferenc, On 1/9/07, Ferenc Szekely <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 1/10/07, Aaron Levinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [cut] It is not nice at all... Imagine if you have an app and have to compile it with 3 SDKs and upload it 3 times, just to make it available for everyone. But as for temporary solution.. I don't know. Tell me your opinions pls. I'm +1 for this temp solution. I've packages signed and ready for upload to SDK 2.1 and 3.0 repositories. Thanks, Osvaldo -- Osvaldo Santana Neto (aCiDBaSe) http://www.pythonologia.org ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Using the N770/N800 as a remote control.
On Tue, Jan 09, 2007 at 07:44:18PM -0500, ext Jon Smirl wrote: > Did a SIR transmitter make in into the N800? I have a Phillips RC9800i > remote control and I would like to replace it with my N770 or a N800. > http://www.hometheatermag.com/accessories/0406philips/ No, it did not. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] garage/extras repository for bora?
On 1/10/07, Aaron Levinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Wed, 10 Jan 2007, Ferenc Szekely wrote: > The only temp solution I can imagine is to open other upload queues > (like you, Aaron said) where you could upload scirocco and bora > versions. So there will be one upload queue for each maemo release. > This could be done fairly quickly, though people who uploaded to > mistral should change their dput configurations, because the mistral > queue will also change. > > It is not nice at all... Imagine if you have an app and have to > compile it with 3 SDKs and upload it 3 times, just to make it > available for everyone. But as for temporary solution.. I don't know. > Tell me your opinions pls. Actually, one package may work fine. Mistral packages will work in scirocco, and many mistral packages will also work on bora. If there is no reason to build using the maemo 3.0 SDK, it probably just makes sense to build using the 2.0 SDK and upload the same package to the mistral, scirocco, and bora repositories. Actually, it seems that we probably don't need a scirocco repository, as I think all mistral packages will work on scirocco (although the reverse isn't necessarily the case as a result of some new APIs in scirocco, but I doubt that they are being used very much). I'm personally fine with this as a temporary solution. It would be nice if N800 users had a bora garage repository option as soon as possible, since there are quite a few garage projects. Also, the existence of a new bora garage repository may encourage developers to ensure that their packages work on 3.0 (a little difficult without an N800, but at least the package can be tested in the SDK environment... I think). I agree with you, but I am not really a fun of such temporary and improper solutions (I guess nobody really is). Opening an extras queue to scirocco and one for bora does not require any special deals and decisions from our side. We could -in theory- go ahead with this right now. However I would like to hear the opinion of my fellow Nokia colleagues and let them comment on the topic (right now it is 3AM there in Helsinki). Let's wait 24 hours at least before we go on with this, OK? On a separate note, regarding the new application catalog at test.maemo.org, I see that it is possible to indicate which OS versions an application supports. However, there is only one download option, even if the application is supported on both IT2006 and IT2007. A single download option may not be enough for some applications. True, but you can add the same application 3 times with 3 different versions (or even with the same version, if you wish). The only limitation at the moment is that you __must use__ a different Project ID (unix name) for all 3 entries, as described in the User Manual. Btw. many thanks for checking the new catalog ;) Aaron Br, ferenc ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
[maemo-developers] Using the N770/N800 as a remote control.
Did a SIR transmitter make in into the N800? I have a Phillips RC9800i remote control and I would like to replace it with my N770 or a N800. http://www.hometheatermag.com/accessories/0406philips/ I've been looking around for a IR transmitter/receiver in the form of a USB dongle and can't find one. You need a receiver in addition to the transmitter so that you can train the remote codes. It only costs a couple of dollars to build a remote compatible IR transmit/receiver USB dongle. Adding this capability would be very useful given the way I use my N770. -- Jon Smirl [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] garage/extras repository for bora?
On Wed, 10 Jan 2007, Ferenc Szekely wrote: > On 1/10/07, Aaron Levinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > I wish I know when we can offer extras for receiving your apps for > > > bora. Some of us at nokia had an idea to setup a automated build > > > system which accepts source uploads only and delivers the binaries for > > > all our releases (mistral, scirocco, bora, etc). > > > For some reason we need to clarify thousand+1 things (mainly legal) > > > before we can offer such service. I had an idea back in December that > > > maybe maemo could finally co-operate with OpenEmbedded and see if we > > > could get the extras packages from their build system. It should be > > > technically possible. I promised to send a mail to Koen and Florian about > > > this > > > "trial", but never got there yet. Perhaps this could kick off the > > > discussion here, on the maemo dev list. > > > > Well, perhaps we can have a temporary solution for the time being and > > discussion on a more permanent solution for the future. A temporary > > solution could probably just entail adding a new directory to the existing > > extras repository for bora. I'm not sure about the upload process and > > distinguishing bora packages from mistral packages, but I imagine that > > something can be worked out. > > > The only temp solution I can imagine is to open other upload queues > (like you, Aaron said) where you could upload scirocco and bora > versions. So there will be one upload queue for each maemo release. > This could be done fairly quickly, though people who uploaded to > mistral should change their dput configurations, because the mistral > queue will also change. > > It is not nice at all... Imagine if you have an app and have to > compile it with 3 SDKs and upload it 3 times, just to make it > available for everyone. But as for temporary solution.. I don't know. > Tell me your opinions pls. Actually, one package may work fine. Mistral packages will work in scirocco, and many mistral packages will also work on bora. If there is no reason to build using the maemo 3.0 SDK, it probably just makes sense to build using the 2.0 SDK and upload the same package to the mistral, scirocco, and bora repositories. Actually, it seems that we probably don't need a scirocco repository, as I think all mistral packages will work on scirocco (although the reverse isn't necessarily the case as a result of some new APIs in scirocco, but I doubt that they are being used very much). I'm personally fine with this as a temporary solution. It would be nice if N800 users had a bora garage repository option as soon as possible, since there are quite a few garage projects. Also, the existence of a new bora garage repository may encourage developers to ensure that their packages work on 3.0 (a little difficult without an N800, but at least the package can be tested in the SDK environment... I think). On a separate note, regarding the new application catalog at test.maemo.org, I see that it is possible to indicate which OS versions an application supports. However, there is only one download option, even if the application is supported on both IT2006 and IT2007. A single download option may not be enough for some applications. Aaron ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
RE: [maemo-developers] Nokia's Linux-powered N800 Internet Tabletsneaks out early
Am 9 Jan 2007 um 9:41 hat [EMAIL PROTECTED] geschrieben: > The 770 with OS2006 is still supported by Nokia. So, 2006.39-14 will not be the last OS release for 770? > OS2007 will not be released for the 770. > Unfortunately we are not at the point where we can ship the same > OS release for multiple hardwares, though we are moving in that direction. Also, there could be a OS2007.x release for both, N770 and N800? I think it is really important not to split up the OS for the different machines. I've seen this on the Zaurus line, and I really think this is annoying! E.g. if there will be no more support for the 770, a lot of people will bring up their own OS versions, and it will be just a matter of time that they will be incompatible to each other. -Klaus -- Klaus Rotter * klaus rotters de * www.rotters.de ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
[maemo-developers] Re: Re: emacs lite (zile) one 770
Hi, On Mon, 04 Dec 2006 01:41:59 +1300, Follower wrote: > Marius Gedminas wrote: >> You ned to install ncurse-base. It's in http://repository.maemo.org >> mistral/free, and a newer version is in http://maemo-hackers.org >> mistral/main. > Ah, thanks for that piece of information. I installed > ncurses-base_5.4-4_all.deb (which I had actually downloaded on some > previous occasion) and was then able to run zile successfully. Thanks! :-) > >> zile should add it to the Depends field. > I'll mention it to the packager. added: http://www.scratchpost.org/nokia-770/packages/zile/zile_2.2.22-2_armel.deb cheers, Danny ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] garage/extras repository for bora?
On 1/10/07, Aaron Levinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I wish I know when we can offer extras for receiving your apps for > bora. Some of us at nokia had an idea to setup a automated build > system which accepts source uploads only and delivers the binaries for > all our releases (mistral, scirocco, bora, etc). > For some reason we need to clarify thousand+1 things (mainly legal) > before we can offer such service. I had an idea back in December that > maybe maemo could finally co-operate with OpenEmbedded and see if we > could get the extras packages from their build system. It should be > technically possible. I promised to send a mail to Koen and Florian about this > "trial", but never got there yet. Perhaps this could kick off the > discussion here, on the maemo dev list. Well, perhaps we can have a temporary solution for the time being and discussion on a more permanent solution for the future. A temporary solution could probably just entail adding a new directory to the existing extras repository for bora. I'm not sure about the upload process and distinguishing bora packages from mistral packages, but I imagine that something can be worked out. The only temp solution I can imagine is to open other upload queues (like you, Aaron said) where you could upload scirocco and bora versions. So there will be one upload queue for each maemo release. This could be done fairly quickly, though people who uploaded to mistral should change their dput configurations, because the mistral queue will also change. It is not nice at all... Imagine if you have an app and have to compile it with 3 SDKs and upload it 3 times, just to make it available for everyone. But as for temporary solution.. I don't know. Tell me your opinions pls. Aaron Cheers, ferenc ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
[maemo-developers] N800 tinkering
Hello, I'm Juan Diego Gutiérrez Gallardo and live in Spain. I read Monologue's RSS quite often and, last Monday, I read this post from MDK: http://www.mdk.org.pl/articles/2007/01/08/next-step-moon I'm a software developer, book writer and book translator: You can find the web page of Anaya Multimedia here: http://www.anayamultimedia.com/ My books are here: http://www.anayamultimedia.com/cgigeneral/busquedas.pl?id_autor=125615&id_sello_editorial_web=23&id_funcion=44&origen=3 Some of them are in Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-url/index=books&field-author-exact=Juan%20Diego%20Gutierrez&rank=-relevance%2C%2Bavailability%2C-daterank/104-5437308-1691118 I've translated books about CSS, network security and Internet privacy -- also about PowerPoint and Windows 95. I've been working during five years -- and counting! -- as IT Manager for a company where all the software used was previously from Microsoft. After this years, the main servers of the company are Linux boxes and we're starting the development of new Web applications based on LAMP. My collaborations, up to now, are basically focused on providing translations into Spanish for those projects that still doesn't have one. Some examples: - TortoiseCVS: http://tortoisecvs.org/lang.shtml - Drupal's captcha: http://cvs.drupal.org/viewcvs/drupal/contributions/modules/captcha/po/es.po?rev=1.1&view=markup - Drupal's Node (key)words: http://cvs.drupal.org/viewcvs/drupal/contributions/modules/nodewords/po/?only_with_tag=DRUPAL-4-7 - Drupal's textimage: http://cvs.drupal.org/viewcvs/drupal/contributions/modules/textimage/po/ The next step would be making some programming contributions to the open source community. I was thinking about developing something for the Treo 750v but I rather prefer to get one N800 and contribute to it. I also have to present a project in order to finish my Computer Science studies. Maybe I could present something related with the N800, that could be quite interesting. I think that's all. Thanks for your time. Best regards, -- Juan Diego Gutiérrez Gallardo http://enreas.blogspot.com/ ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Xvideo support for Nokia 770?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Siarhei Siamashka wrote: > On Tuesday 09 January 2007 20:59, Charles 'Buck' Krasic wrote: > >> Any chance the Xvideo support in the Bora 3.0 will turn up in a >> 770 OS? > > > I asked the same question on #maemo irc channel and daniels > explained that video scaling is done by gpu on N800, so probably > the same code can't be reused on 770: > https://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2007-01-08.log.html > > Actually I have been thinking about trying to implement Xvideo > support on 770 for some time already. Now as N800 has Xvideo > support, it would be nice to have it on 770 as well for better > consistency and software compatibility. As you may recall, I was considering this back in August/September. I tried a few things, and reported some of my findings to this list. The code for all that is still available here: http://qstream.org/~krasic/770/dsp/ > > I see the following possible options: > > 1. Implement it just using ARM core and optimize it as much as > possible (using dynamically generated code for scaling to get the > best performance). Is quite a straightforward solution and only > needs time to implement it. It is my impression that this might be the most attractive option. I noticed that TCPMP which seems to be the most performant player for the ARM uses this approach, and it is available under GPL, so it may be possible to adapt some of its code. In the long run, I would hope that integrating TCPMP scaling code into libswscale of the ffmpeg project might be the most elegant approach, since that seems to be the most performant/featureful/widel adopted open-source scaling code (but not yet on ARM). For mplayer, it works out of the box, since libswcale actually originated from mplayer, and only recently migrated to ffmpeg. > > 2. Try using dsp tasks that already exist on the device and are > used for dspfbsink. But the sources of gst plugins contain code > that limits video resolution for dspfbsink. I wonder if this check > was introduced artificially or it is the limitation of DSP scaler > and it can't handle anything larger than that. Also I wonder if > existing video scaler DSP task can support direct rendering [2]. I tried direct rendering in the above mentioned experimentation. I never got it to work exactly correctly, i.e. I could get images fragments on the screen, but they were not the whole image, and never in exactly the correct screen position. I suspected this was tied to the baroque memory addressing constraints of the DSP (e.g. 16bit data item limitations). I tried very hard to work around them but was not successful. I think the benefits of direct rendering may be a false temptation on the DSP anyway.My impression was that the DSP access to framebuffer memory slowed down the scaling algorithm tremendously, so it was actually faster to scale into DSP local memory, and then do a fast bulk copy to the FB, or to SDRAM on the ARM side.Plus you have all the AV synchronization headaches. I think these gains pale compared to the gain from just using the fb in YUV mode, and doing all the video stuff on the ARM side. Hence, option 1 seems to sound very attractive. > It would need to support arbitrary number of memory mapped buffers > for video output in order to avoid unnecessary memcpy, otherwise > performance will suffer. > > Maybe we can ask Nokia developers to provide some information about > the internals of these plugins. The most important questions are: * > What are the real capabilities of DSP based scaler, can it be used > for resolutions let's say up to 800x480? I doubt 800x480. The added quality benefit over 400x240 with pixel doubling in the fb is probably way to marginal to justify the effort. The DSP hardware doesn't seem to have any meaningful support for general scaling (beyond doubling). > * Where is the screen update performed after dsp has finished > scaling/converting video from mapped buffer to framebuffer? Is it > done on ARM side, or probably screen update can be also triggered > from DSP directly? I seem to have the rough impression from inspecting X code that ARM side does the final update (copy) to fb memory. I'm not 100% sure on that right now though. > * Is it possible to get direct rendering [2] support with existing > dsp tasks on 770? If not, would it be too hard to implement this > feature? * How are timestamps handled in dsp? Is it possible to > just send a one shot signal to dsp task for rendering video frame > from a mapped buffer as fast as possible? > > A brief dsp interface description would be welcome. Maybe some > questions may be trivial, but unfortunately I did not have much > time for a detailed walk through the sources in order to figure out > how this all works. If any Nokia developer finds time for some > short answers, it would really help a lot. Agreed. > > 3. Try implementing a new DSP based scaler from scratch. The most > important thing to know is how
Re: [maemo-developers] garage/extras repository for bora?
On Wed, 10 Jan 2007, Ferenc Szekely wrote: > Hello, > > On 1/9/07, Levi Bard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > When can we expect to have a new garage/extras repository for bora (and > > > instructions for posting a package to this repository)? Some of the > > > applications at the extras mistral repository may not work on bora, and it > > > would be nice to have a separate repository for applications that are > > > known to work on bora (or at least are supposed to work on bora). > > > > Seconded. It would also give a good way to branch apps that have to > > be code-nonidentical for the two releases (e.g. xv vs xsp pixel > > doubling) without silly package name hacks. > > > I wish I know when we can offer extras for receiving your apps for > bora. Some of us at nokia had an idea to setup a automated build > system which accepts source uploads only and delivers the binaries for > all our releases (mistral, scirocco, bora, etc). > For some reason we need to clarify thousand+1 things (mainly legal) > before we can offer such service. I had an idea back in December that > maybe maemo could finally co-operate with OpenEmbedded and see if we > could get the extras packages from their build system. It should be > technically possible. I promised to send a mail to Koen and Florian about this > "trial", but never got there yet. Perhaps this could kick off the > discussion here, on the maemo dev list. Well, perhaps we can have a temporary solution for the time being and discussion on a more permanent solution for the future. A temporary solution could probably just entail adding a new directory to the existing extras repository for bora. I'm not sure about the upload process and distinguishing bora packages from mistral packages, but I imagine that something can be worked out. Aaron ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] garage/extras repository for bora?
Hello, On 1/9/07, Levi Bard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > When can we expect to have a new garage/extras repository for bora (and > instructions for posting a package to this repository)? Some of the > applications at the extras mistral repository may not work on bora, and it > would be nice to have a separate repository for applications that are > known to work on bora (or at least are supposed to work on bora). Seconded. It would also give a good way to branch apps that have to be code-nonidentical for the two releases (e.g. xv vs xsp pixel doubling) without silly package name hacks. I wish I know when we can offer extras for receiving your apps for bora. Some of us at nokia had an idea to setup a automated build system which accepts source uploads only and delivers the binaries for all our releases (mistral, scirocco, bora, etc). For some reason we need to clarify thousand+1 things (mainly legal) before we can offer such service. I had an idea back in December that maybe maemo could finally co-operate with OpenEmbedded and see if we could get the extras packages from their build system. It should be technically possible. I promised to send a mail to Koen and Florian about this "trial", but never got there yet. Perhaps this could kick off the discussion here, on the maemo dev list. Cheers, ferenc ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] OS2006 roadmap
On 1/9/07, Frantisek Dufka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > The 770 with OS2006 is still supported by Nokia. So we actually may see maintenance firmware updates (i.e. fixed bugs) for OS2006? Or even something targeted for better compatibility with OS2007? People have been using that word -Support- very freely when talking about OS2006. When you have support from a vendor that generally includes bug fixes and upgrades, otherwise it doesn't mean much. There's been word of a Maemo 2.2, but what's the point if it's only for developers? There are still so many basic problems with OS2006 and it's irresponsible to refuse to help both the new users and early adopters now. How do you regain that trust that's implicit in building a community? The old platform gets a sack lunch and a life raft while the new one sails off into the distance. That's one of the reasons I believe Ari Jaaksi shut the door so firmly on any hope of upgrades-- no chance of reconsideration. You get a smile, "Better luck next time!", and the requisite shove. > Perhaps some kind of OS2006/OS2007 combination will turn out to be practical > for hacking on the 770, though again, an end-user ready release is not in the cards. > Herring and Sardine (Herring is synced with OS2007/Maemo Bora) already give you > Bora (and post-Bora) in the limited context of the HAF. Yes, but the question is not only about hacking, it is about end users. Can end users somehow get such system (not called 2007) so developers can ship one application (with Bora functionality) that work both on such N770 and N880? And that is that is the real question. Otherwise as someone else put it, you're just fire-bombing the userbase who owns 770s. I thought the idea of Maemo was to make a user-friendly internet tablet, not put everyone on a high-priced hardware upgrade plan. Larry ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Aw: Re: Aw: RE: [maemo-developers] step by step tutorial for developing home applets
Hello Collin, many thanks for your help. Mathias - Ursprüngliche Mitteilung - Von: Collin R. Mulliner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> An: Mathias Uebelacker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: maemo-developers@maemo.org Gesendet: Di., 9. Jan. 2007 18:52:48 CET Betreff: Re: Aw: RE: [maemo-developers] step by step tutorial for developing home applets try my IpHome applet, it is very small and therefore should be just right for a howto. get it at: http://www.mulliner.org/nokia770/ Collin On Tue, 2007-01-09 at 12:27 +0100, Mathias Uebelacker wrote: > Hello Jakub, > > thanks for the new link. now i have two more queations: > > 1, It is possible to get the whole files of your "Aviation Weather > Home Applet" before making a package for the device (to examine each > file and the dir-structure)?, by that it would be a pleisure for to > write than a "newbie-tutorial". > > 2. You point me to a bora tutorial - is there no difference between > home applets for the N777 and the N800? I thought that bora is only > for the N800 > > Thanks Mathias > - Ursprüngliche Mitteilung - > Von: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > An: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > Gesendet: Di., 9. Jan. 2007 11:23:36 CET > Betreff: RE: [maemo-developers] step by step tutorial for developing > home applets > Hi, > > now we have this one: > http://www.maemo.org/platform/docs/howtos/tutorial_desktop_plugins_bora. > html > > Not really step-by-step though. Is that not good enough? Let us know. > > Br, > > --jakub > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ext Mathias > Uebelacker > Sent: 09 January, 2007 12:17 > To: maemo-developers@maemo.org > Subject: [maemo-developers] step by step tutorial for developing > home applets > > > Hello to everybody, > > first of all, this is my second question to this topic. With the > answers to my first question i could solve another prob. Does anybody > knows a step by step tutorial for developing home applets? I looking > for > a tutorial like Teemus Python tutorials for "...Python...". > > http://teemuharju.net/pymaemo-tutorials/ > > Thanks again > Mathias > > > > > > ___ > maemo-developers mailing list > maemo-developers@maemo.org > https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers -- Collin R. Mulliner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> BETAVERSiON Systems [www.betaversion.net] info/pgp: finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] USS Enterprise Bumperstricker: We break for cubes! ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Re: video chat protocol
Hi, ok, I've also looked the Nokia client (NICI), and it looks very GPLish and all-in-all not like a windows app... So my new question is: will Nokia release the source soon anyway, or would it be worth it to start implementing an linux client, based on libjingle for example? regards -- jochen ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Re: video chat protocol
> is there somewhere information available on the protocol the video chat > client uses? or even some client? http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0166.html Google Talk is a pretty well distributed client you can use on Windows. So have they added video support? I haven't seen any announcements about and its not on the gtalk blog. Peter ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] OS2006 roadmap
> BTW I was a bit surprised how unmercifully Dr. Ari Jaaksi killed n770's > future. It was pretty tough :-) Also it doesn't send good message to > users and developers considering the platform. Well, life is hard. Time > will tell if it was good move. Yes, I was too. They're not overly cheap devices and Nokia has been courting the OSS community with them but then turns around and cuts it off. Its all very well saying they'll support it the problem I see is that they're lavishing all the main 3rd party devs with these nice new devices and suddenly there's no updated versions of apps for the old IT-2006. I'm yet to actually see abiword for IT-2006. At the very least you have split dev... those with one OS version but not the other. I wouldn't mind so much is the entire platform was open and you could build and exact copy of the OS and call it something else like RedHat allows with their RHEL where you can get a 3rd party version called CentOS (I think) but this is not the case with maemo... there's a large majority of it that's open but all the DSP audio stuff isn't as are chunks of other stuff. When it comes down to it its like their no better than the likes of the graphics card manufacturers or wireless card devs with their drivers almost open but not quite. A large chunk of the devices look quite similar to me so I don't quite see the issues here (maybe I'm missing something) but they both run arm procs with DSPs, have BT (ok one had v1.x and the other v2 but its the same to the kernel), SD vs MMC (but I think the kernel handles them the same, a second shouldn't make any diff... one less/more to deal with) wireless (maybe different), 800x480 screen (possibly diff vid cards but there's no WM diffs etc to deal with for res). OK one doesn't have a video cam, but if its not there it can't be used can it! I might have missed something but at the moment I just see Nokia hiding behind a single blog entry. At $350 I see it as inexcusable. It's annoying when Linksys stops releasing firmware updates for buggy firmware in a $30 router, but it's a bit different in this case*. It seems that hardware vendors have no problem not caring about (or at least seriously neglecting) existing products, from a $30 router to a $2400 laptop (BIOS updates). This may be all fine and dandy with someone who has no problem dropping $400 on a N800 after they've only had their 770 for 18 months (and it's _great_ for Nokia as this person will probably blog about how cool it is), but some of us want our software to outlive the hardware, not the other way around. At least with a lot of the $30 routers they are using standard hardware that can usual have custom firmwares that run Linux (like openwrt) for them to allow further updates that maintain complete or better functionality if they don't run Linux already. Personally, I'm going to seriously look into getting GPE on my 770 and partake of the cornucopia of Linux software ready-made from OpenEmbedded rather than see yet another disappointment from the Maemo platform I still prefer maemo but that may well change... * Yes, yes. I know there will be more firmware updates, but I'm in wait-and-see mode tempered with our existing experience getting updates for the 770. Yes, but that's like apple releasing a new update for a 2 gen old ipod that fixes one really annoying bug but updates the DRM to the new version too. Sorry, bit of a rant, but not overly happy about the news. Peter ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
[maemo-developers] maemo-recorder and iLBC conversion
Hi, I have used recently maemo-recorder to record about two hours of speech, using the iLBC audio format. To my surprise, i discovered that is very hard to find a way to convert this audio format to a more common one. I also noted that this issue was already pointed out in this list. After many searches, i finally opted for slightly modifying the reference code in rfc3951 http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3951.txt , following the directions in http://www.ilbcfreeware.org/software.html I guess that I cannot publicize the code for licencing raesons, but the modifications are really trivial. The resulting raw pcm file can be easily manipulated using sox: sox -t raw -s -w -c 1 -r 8000 sounndfile.pcm soundfile.wav I post here hoping this could help someone. Bye, Roberto. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Xvideo support for Nokia 770?
On Tuesday 09 January 2007 20:59, Charles 'Buck' Krasic wrote: > Any chance the Xvideo support in the Bora 3.0 will turn up in a 770 OS? I asked the same question on #maemo irc channel and daniels explained that video scaling is done by gpu on N800, so probably the same code can't be reused on 770: https://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2007-01-08.log.html Actually I have been thinking about trying to implement Xvideo support on 770 for some time already. Now as N800 has Xvideo support, it would be nice to have it on 770 as well for better consistency and software compatibility. I see the following possible options: 1. Implement it just using ARM core and optimize it as much as possible (using dynamically generated code for scaling to get the best performance). Is quite a straightforward solution and only needs time to implement it. 2. Try using dsp tasks that already exist on the device and are used for dspfbsink. But the sources of gst plugins contain code that limits video resolution for dspfbsink. I wonder if this check was introduced artificially or it is the limitation of DSP scaler and it can't handle anything larger than that. Also I wonder if existing video scaler DSP task can support direct rendering [2]. It would need to support arbitrary number of memory mapped buffers for video output in order to avoid unnecessary memcpy, otherwise performance will suffer. Maybe we can ask Nokia developers to provide some information about the internals of these plugins. The most important questions are: * What are the real capabilities of DSP based scaler, can it be used for resolutions let's say up to 800x480? * Where is the screen update performed after dsp has finished scaling/converting video from mapped buffer to framebuffer? Is it done on ARM side, or probably screen update can be also triggered from DSP directly? * Is it possible to get direct rendering [2] support with existing dsp tasks on 770? If not, would it be too hard to implement this feature? * How are timestamps handled in dsp? Is it possible to just send a one shot signal to dsp task for rendering video frame from a mapped buffer as fast as possible? A brief dsp interface description would be welcome. Maybe some questions may be trivial, but unfortunately I did not have much time for a detailed walk through the sources in order to figure out how this all works. If any Nokia developer finds time for some short answers, it would really help a lot. 3. Try implementing a new DSP based scaler from scratch. The most important thing to know is how to access framebuffer directly from DSP and move data to it from mapped buffer without any overhead. The first test implementation can just perform nonscaled planar YV12 -> packed YUV422 conversion, if it proves to be fast and useful, it could be extended to also support scaling. PS. This is unrelated to Xvideo support development, but also it would be nice to have more or less detailed description of dsp based gstreamer elements and their properties. While the sources of these plugins are available (with a hidden dsp part), some docs are needed to know how they are supposed to work in order to use them efficiently and probably improve. [1] http://repository.maemo.org/pool/scirocco/free/source/g/gst-plugins-dsp0.10/gst-plugins-dsp0.10_0.32.1-1.tar.gz [2] http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/tech/dr-methods.txt ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
[maemo-developers] Re: video chat protocol
On Tue, 2007-01-09 at 21:42 +0100, Jochen Eisinger wrote: > is there somewhere information available on the protocol the video chat > client uses? or even some client? http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0166.html Google Talk is a pretty well distributed client you can use on Windows. Ross -- Ross Burton mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www: http://www.burtonini.com./ PGP Fingerprint: 1A21 F5B0 D8D0 CFE3 81D4 E25A 2D09 E447 D0B4 33DF ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] OS2006 roadmap
Frantisek Dufka kirjoitti 9.1.2007 kello 21.58: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The 770 with OS2006 is still supported by Nokia. So we actually may see maintenance firmware updates (i.e. fixed bugs) for OS2006? Or even something targeted for better compatibility with OS2007? Perhaps some kind of OS2006/OS2007 combination will turn out to be practical for hacking on the 770, though again, an end-user ready release is not in the cards. Herring and Sardine (Herring is synced with OS2007/Maemo Bora) already give you Bora (and post-Bora) in the limited context of the HAF. Yes, but the question is not only about hacking, it is about end users. Can end users somehow get such system (not called 2007) so developers can ship one application (with Bora functionality) that work both on such N770 and N880? Could this be part of the .install file? One debian for 770 and one for N800. (or universal if that works for both). That way no users would ever have to know which they are installing. Also, there could be a note if no version is suitable for your device. Just a thought. May be that the .install already supports that. If that's the case, my apologies for mentioning this. Urho Konttori ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] N800 Developer Programme Application
On Tue, Jan 09, 2007 at 08:32:34PM +0100, ext Raphaël Slinckx wrote: > I have seen the n800 "sponsorship" programme to receive a reduced price > version of the n800 tablet if sponsored by someone inside Nokia. Hi, The developer device program is not done with an application, as with the 770's, but instead you will be contacted if you've been selected. Cheers, Daniel (who isn't on the team, doesn't know when the contact will be made, etc) signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
[maemo-developers] video chat protocol
Hi, is there somewhere information available on the protocol the video chat client uses? or even some client? regards -- jochen ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] OS2006 roadmap
On Tue, 2007-01-09 at 20:58 +0100, Frantisek Dufka wrote: > BTW I was a bit surprised how unmercifully Dr. Ari Jaaksi killed n770's > future. It was pretty tough :-) Also it doesn't send good message to > users and developers considering the platform. Well, life is hard. Time > will tell if it was good move. At $350 I see it as inexcusable. It's annoying when Linksys stops releasing firmware updates for buggy firmware in a $30 router, but it's a bit different in this case*. It seems that hardware vendors have no problem not caring about (or at least seriously neglecting) existing products, from a $30 router to a $2400 laptop (BIOS updates). This may be all fine and dandy with someone who has no problem dropping $400 on a N800 after they've only had their 770 for 18 months (and it's _great_ for Nokia as this person will probably blog about how cool it is), but some of us want our software to outlive the hardware, not the other way around. Personally, I'm going to seriously look into getting GPE on my 770 and partake of the cornucopia of Linux software ready-made from OpenEmbedded rather than see yet another disappointment from the Maemo platform. Andrew * Yes, yes. I know there will be more firmware updates, but I'm in wait-and-see mode tempered with our existing experience getting updates for the 770. > Frantisek > ___ > maemo-developers mailing list > maemo-developers@maemo.org > https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] OS2006 roadmap
On Tue, 9 Jan 2007, Frantisek Dufka wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > The 770 with OS2006 is still supported by Nokia. > > So we actually may see maintenance firmware updates (i.e. fixed bugs) > for OS2006? Or even something targeted for better compatibility with OS2007? At maemo.org, it has already been stated that there will be a maemo 2.2 release, although this may only be for developers. One possible way to interpret this is that 2.x releases will be for the 770, while 3.x releases will be for the N800. Aaron Levinson > > > > > Perhaps some kind of OS2006/OS2007 combination will turn out to be practical > > for hacking on the 770, though again, an end-user ready release is not in > > the cards. > > Herring and Sardine (Herring is synced with OS2007/Maemo Bora) already give > > you > > Bora (and post-Bora) in the limited context of the HAF. > > Yes, but the question is not only about hacking, it is about end users. > Can end users somehow get such system (not called 2007) so developers > can ship one application (with Bora functionality) that work both on > such N770 and N880? > > > Let's see how much we can improve on that. > > Is this suggestion to make community releases (i.e. patched firmwares or > set of debs with some install script) for N770 device based on Bora? > > I guess platform fragmentation is bad thing for everyone (users, > developers, Nokia) so that would actually make some sense. > > BTW I was a bit surprised how unmercifully Dr. Ari Jaaksi killed n770's > future. It was pretty tough :-) Also it doesn't send good message to > users and developers considering the platform. Well, life is hard. Time > will tell if it was good move. > > Frantisek > ___ > maemo-developers mailing list > maemo-developers@maemo.org > https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers > ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
[maemo-developers] OS2006 roadmap
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The 770 with OS2006 is still supported by Nokia. So we actually may see maintenance firmware updates (i.e. fixed bugs) for OS2006? Or even something targeted for better compatibility with OS2007? Perhaps some kind of OS2006/OS2007 combination will turn out to be practical for hacking on the 770, though again, an end-user ready release is not in the cards. Herring and Sardine (Herring is synced with OS2007/Maemo Bora) already give you Bora (and post-Bora) in the limited context of the HAF. Yes, but the question is not only about hacking, it is about end users. Can end users somehow get such system (not called 2007) so developers can ship one application (with Bora functionality) that work both on such N770 and N880? Let's see how much we can improve on that. Is this suggestion to make community releases (i.e. patched firmwares or set of debs with some install script) for N770 device based on Bora? I guess platform fragmentation is bad thing for everyone (users, developers, Nokia) so that would actually make some sense. BTW I was a bit surprised how unmercifully Dr. Ari Jaaksi killed n770's future. It was pretty tough :-) Also it doesn't send good message to users and developers considering the platform. Well, life is hard. Time will tell if it was good move. Frantisek ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
[maemo-developers] N800 Developer Programme Application
Hi ! I have seen the n800 "sponsorship" programme to receive a reduced price version of the n800 tablet if sponsored by someone inside Nokia. I would like to apply for such a sponsorship. Let me introduce myself: I'm Raphael Slinckx (aka kikidonk) and I'm a gnome developer maintaining the deskbar-applet, and working for Collabora since a year to improve the Telepathy framework. I have been recently working on integrating telepathy in Gossip, and I have now a working voip/video solution for gossip that is ready to be merged back in to the telepathy branch. I would like to test and play with the device to improve existing support for video on gossip, and try to contribute a bit more to the Telepathy framework. My blog is at http://raphael.slinckx.net/blog you can get some screenshots of my work over there. Let me know if you would like to have more information! I hope to receive a positive answer, Thanks a lot ! Raphael ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] garage/extras repository for bora?
When can we expect to have a new garage/extras repository for bora (and instructions for posting a package to this repository)? Some of the applications at the extras mistral repository may not work on bora, and it would be nice to have a separate repository for applications that are known to work on bora (or at least are supposed to work on bora). Seconded. It would also give a good way to branch apps that have to be code-nonidentical for the two releases (e.g. xv vs xsp pixel doubling) without silly package name hacks. -- Just stop and take your secret journey, you will be a new box. --Leeta http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/shouldbefree.html ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Nokia's Linux-powered N800 Internet Tabletsneaks out early
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> Not that we're going to get one word out of a @nokia.com address >> for the time being...but they'd better not stop releasing FW >> updates and developing for the 770. Maemo isn't open enough for >> the community to maintain the software for the 770. >> > > The 770 with OS2006 is still supported by Nokia. OS2007 will not be > released for the 770. Unfortunately we are not at the point where > we can ship the same OS release for multiple hardwares, though we > are moving in that direction. > > Perhaps some kind of OS2006/OS2007 combination will turn out to be > practical for hacking on the 770, though again, an end-user ready > release is not in the cards. Herring and Sardine (Herring is synced > with OS2007/Maemo Bora) already give you Bora (and post-Bora) in > the limited context of the HAF. Let's see how much we can improve > on that. Any chance the Xvideo support in the Bora 3.0 will turn up in a 770 OS? - -- Buck -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFo+YaPrrWIMa4SMsRAsOSAKCS1pBVajOGKJQKv7gJwQIUwiyolACgpHk0 4nTDJHmB6xA67FPI3yXf09k= =zBAc -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
[maemo-developers] garage/extras repository for bora?
When can we expect to have a new garage/extras repository for bora (and instructions for posting a package to this repository)? Some of the applications at the extras mistral repository may not work on bora, and it would be nice to have a separate repository for applications that are known to work on bora (or at least are supposed to work on bora). Thanks, Aaron Levinson ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Aw: RE: [maemo-developers] step by step tutorial for developing home applets
try my IpHome applet, it is very small and therefore should be just right for a howto. get it at: http://www.mulliner.org/nokia770/ Collin On Tue, 2007-01-09 at 12:27 +0100, Mathias Uebelacker wrote: > Hello Jakub, > > thanks for the new link. now i have two more queations: > > 1, It is possible to get the whole files of your "Aviation Weather > Home Applet" before making a package for the device (to examine each > file and the dir-structure)?, by that it would be a pleisure for to > write than a "newbie-tutorial". > > 2. You point me to a bora tutorial - is there no difference between > home applets for the N777 and the N800? I thought that bora is only > for the N800 > > Thanks Mathias > - Ursprüngliche Mitteilung - > Von: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > An: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > Gesendet: Di., 9. Jan. 2007 11:23:36 CET > Betreff: RE: [maemo-developers] step by step tutorial for developing > home applets > Hi, > > now we have this one: > http://www.maemo.org/platform/docs/howtos/tutorial_desktop_plugins_bora. > html > > Not really step-by-step though. Is that not good enough? Let us know. > > Br, > > --jakub > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ext Mathias > Uebelacker > Sent: 09 January, 2007 12:17 > To: maemo-developers@maemo.org > Subject: [maemo-developers] step by step tutorial for developing > home applets > > > Hello to everybody, > > first of all, this is my second question to this topic. With the > answers to my first question i could solve another prob. Does anybody > knows a step by step tutorial for developing home applets? I looking > for > a tutorial like Teemus Python tutorials for "...Python...". > > http://teemuharju.net/pymaemo-tutorials/ > > Thanks again > Mathias > > > > > > ___ > maemo-developers mailing list > maemo-developers@maemo.org > https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers -- Collin R. Mulliner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> BETAVERSiON Systems [www.betaversion.net] info/pgp: finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] USS Enterprise Bumperstricker: We break for cubes! ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] python osso and icd
ext Fabio Forno wrote: Hi, since i've problems to keep the connection on sending the command with dbus-send (see the trhread above), i'm trying with a simple python script. I've tried other icd commands and I had no problems, but the connect method does not work: I don't want to directly use the dbus bindings of python since I've found there are few memory leaks that make them unusable for long running applications Hi Fabio, Right now we are finishing the python2.5 packages for maemo. This will take this whole week. At the moment you could report this problem to the garage buzilla[1] and we will fix it as soon as possible. Thanks in advance! Luciano -INdT/PyMaemo- [1] https://garage.maemo.org/projects/pymaemo/ ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
[maemo-developers] python osso and icd
Hi,
since i've problems to keep the connection on sending the command with
dbus-send (see the trhread above), i'm trying with a simple python
script. I've tried other icd commands and I had no problems, but the
connect method does not work:
osso_c.rpc_run("com.nokia.icd", "/com/nokia/icd", "com.nokia.icd",
"connect", rpc_args = ("myap", 0, 0), wait_reply = True,
use_system_bus=True)
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "", line 1, in ?
osso.OssoRPCException: Unsupported interface or method
I think this is due to the fact that the two 0s are signed, while the
interface of connect takes two uint32 params. Is there a way to force
the type of the parameters?
I don't want to directly use the dbus bindings of python since I've
found there are few memory leaks that make them unusable for long
running applications
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RE: [maemo-developers] Building 'maemo 3.0' againststockbase libraries
Hi, >> branches and though it is not very mature yet. The Hildon Desktop is >> the package formerly named as maemo-af-desktop, we decided to rename >> it for consistency one day. >> But that is intended to become the version which is gong to work in >> addition to Nokia devices also on desktop Linux such as >> Ubuntu/Debian/yourdistrogoeshere etc. >> >> If you want to help, you might want to look to stage's branches, >> branch titled "new_hildon_desktop". If you want send patches for it, >> feel free to send them to us. > >Thanks, I'll look into those. Here is the branch: https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/branches/maemo-af-desktop /hildon-desktop/ Br, Karoliina > >regards, > >Koen > > >-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- >Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (Darwin) > >iD8DBQFFo54jMkyGM64RGpERAhJbAKC8OANE7GJUlDrCSiR1zRwDb26tpwCcD2kZ >VELicJ1nvxgiLMo4e/CQQyM= >=BkZu >-END PGP SIGNATURE- >___ >maemo-developers mailing list >maemo-developers@maemo.org >https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers > ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
[maemo-developers] Re: step by step tutorial for developing home applets
> Is there a python howto for home applets Oreilly books look the best choice to me. "Programming python" exspecialy. Even inventor of the language made fine tutorial in digital format. Zoran ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
RE: [maemo-developers] [maemo-announce] Nokia Developer Device Program
> > That will not be the case. Having participated in the 770 developer > > program is neither a precondition nor an impediment for the N800 > > developer program. > > Nokia will invite developers based on their Maemo/770 > related activities. > > And, what about the new upcoming developers, that haven't got the 700 > but are interested in developing for maemo? > > No chance? Maemo/770 activities can be understood quite generally. E.g. If developers are active in open-source projects that contribute to Maemo (Gtk, X, bluez, dbus, gstreamer, ...) they have a chance. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Building 'maemo 3.0' against stockbase libraries
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] schreef: > Hi, > >> I'm interested in getting 'maemo' to build against stock base >> libraries when possible and use it on various non-nokia >> devices (including my x86 workstation, maemo-mapper at >> 1600x1200... drool...). > > We have been already working with that. I had a quick&dirty demo > along with me in Ubuntu Developer Summit Mointain View which was hacked > together > by Johan in insanely short time and was not any near production quality > stuff. > So it wasn't ready for anything but just showing that Hildon Desktop > runs on Desktop > with some hacking and it can be done. However, this thing is going to be > based on the new > Hildon Desktop our guys are working on (Johan, Lucas, Moises), it is not > the > trunk version but in branches and though it is not very mature yet. The > Hildon Desktop is the package formerly named as maemo-af-desktop, we > decided to rename it for consistency one day. > But that is intended to become the version which is gong to work in > addition to Nokia devices also on desktop Linux such as > Ubuntu/Debian/yourdistrogoeshere etc. > > If you want to help, you might want to look to stage's branches, branch > titled "new_hildon_desktop". If you want send patches for it, feel free > to send them > to us. Thanks, I'll look into those. regards, Koen -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (Darwin) iD8DBQFFo54jMkyGM64RGpERAhJbAKC8OANE7GJUlDrCSiR1zRwDb26tpwCcD2kZ VELicJ1nvxgiLMo4e/CQQyM= =BkZu -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
RE: [maemo-developers] Building 'maemo 3.0' against stockbase libraries
Hi, >I'm interested in getting 'maemo' to build against stock base >libraries when possible and use it on various non-nokia >devices (including my x86 workstation, maemo-mapper at >1600x1200... drool...). We have been already working with that. I had a quick&dirty demo along with me in Ubuntu Developer Summit Mointain View which was hacked together by Johan in insanely short time and was not any near production quality stuff. So it wasn't ready for anything but just showing that Hildon Desktop runs on Desktop with some hacking and it can be done. However, this thing is going to be based on the new Hildon Desktop our guys are working on (Johan, Lucas, Moises), it is not the trunk version but in branches and though it is not very mature yet. The Hildon Desktop is the package formerly named as maemo-af-desktop, we decided to rename it for consistency one day. But that is intended to become the version which is gong to work in addition to Nokia devices also on desktop Linux such as Ubuntu/Debian/yourdistrogoeshere etc. If you want to help, you might want to look to stage's branches, branch titled "new_hildon_desktop". If you want send patches for it, feel free to send them to us. Br, Karoliina --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.karoliinasalminen.com/blog ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] [maemo-announce] Nokia Developer Device Program
On 1/9/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I hope people who got N770 in developer device program before > won't be > excluded because of this :-) That will not be the case. Having participated in the 770 developer program is neither a precondition nor an impediment for the N800 developer program. Nokia will invite developers based on their Maemo/770 related activities. And, what about the new upcoming developers, that haven't got the 700 but are interested in developing for maemo? No chance? ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
RE: Re: [maemo-developers] step by step tutorial for developing homeapplets
Hi, No, those tutorials are not for plugins. The plugin code for HildonDesktop has seen some significant improvements very recently and in future it *could* be possible to do the plugins in e.g. Python. We are looking into the feasibility of doing it in practise on the device. Br, --jakub >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ext >Jose Manrique Lopez de la Fuente >Sent: 09 January, 2007 14:23 >To: maemo-developers@maemo.org >Subject: Re: Re: [maemo-developers] step by step tutorial for >developing homeapplets > >Yes, I know them, but can I use them to create home applets.. >I don't think soo. > >Thanks in advance, > >2007/1/9, Mathias Uebelacker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> Hello, >> >> there a two Python Docs on Maemo: >> >> Maemo 2.1 >> >> www.maemo.org/platform/docs/pymaemo/python_maemo_howto.html >> >> Maemo 3.0 >> >> www.maemo.org/platform/docs/python-bora/python_maemo_howto.html >> >> but i think that are both not for dev. home applets >> >> Mathias >> - Ursprüngliche Mitteilung - >> Von: Jose Manrique Lopez de la Fuente <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> An: maemo-developers@maemo.org >> Gesendet: Di., 9. Jan. 2007 13:09:25 CET >> Betreff: Re: [maemo-developers] step by step tutorial for developing >> home applets Is it for python? >> >> Is there a python howto for home applets >> >> 2007/1/9, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> > >> > >> > Hi, >> > >> > now we have this one: >> > >http://www.maemo.org/platform/docs/howtos/tutorial_desktop_plugins_b >> > ora.html >> > >> > Not really step-by-step though. Is that not good enough? >Let us know. >> > >> > Br, >> > >> > --jakub >> > >> > >> > >> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of >ext Mathias >> > Uebelacker >> > Sent: 09 January, 2007 12:17 >> > To: maemo-developers@maemo.org >> > Subject: [maemo-developers] step by step tutorial for developing >> > home applets >> > >> > >> > Hello to everybody, >> > >> > first of all, this is my second question to this topic. With the >> > answers to my first question i could solve another prob. Does >> > anybody knows a step by step tutorial for developing home >applets? I >> > looking for a tutorial like Teemus Python tutorials for >"...Python...". >> > >> > http://teemuharju.net/pymaemo-tutorials/ >> > >> > Thanks again >> > Mathias >> > >> > >> > ___ >> > maemo-developers mailing list >> > maemo-developers@maemo.org >> > https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> -- >> J. Manrique López de la Fuente >> http://www.jsmanrique.net >> msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> ___ >> maemo-developers mailing list >> maemo-developers@maemo.org >> https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers >> >> > > >-- >J. Manrique López de la Fuente >http://www.jsmanrique.net >msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >___ >maemo-developers mailing list >maemo-developers@maemo.org >https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers > ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Re: [maemo-developers] step by step tutorial for developing home applets
Yes, I know them, but can I use them to create home applets.. I don't think soo. Thanks in advance, 2007/1/9, Mathias Uebelacker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Hello, there a two Python Docs on Maemo: Maemo 2.1 www.maemo.org/platform/docs/pymaemo/python_maemo_howto.html Maemo 3.0 www.maemo.org/platform/docs/python-bora/python_maemo_howto.html but i think that are both not for dev. home applets Mathias - Ursprüngliche Mitteilung - Von: Jose Manrique Lopez de la Fuente <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> An: maemo-developers@maemo.org Gesendet: Di., 9. Jan. 2007 13:09:25 CET Betreff: Re: [maemo-developers] step by step tutorial for developing home applets Is it for python? Is there a python howto for home applets 2007/1/9, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > Hi, > > now we have this one: > http://www.maemo.org/platform/docs/howtos/tutorial_desktop_plugins_bora.html > > Not really step-by-step though. Is that not good enough? Let us know. > > Br, > > --jakub > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > ext Mathias Uebelacker > Sent: 09 January, 2007 12:17 > To: maemo-developers@maemo.org > Subject: [maemo-developers] step by step tutorial for developing home > applets > > > Hello to everybody, > > first of all, this is my second question to this topic. With the answers to > my first question i could solve another prob. Does anybody knows a step by > step tutorial for developing home applets? I looking for a tutorial like > Teemus Python tutorials for "...Python...". > > http://teemuharju.net/pymaemo-tutorials/ > > Thanks again > Mathias > > > ___ > maemo-developers mailing list > maemo-developers@maemo.org > https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers > > > -- J. Manrique López de la Fuente http://www.jsmanrique.net msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers -- J. Manrique López de la Fuente http://www.jsmanrique.net msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Aw: Re: [maemo-developers] step by step tutorial for developing home applets
Hello, there a two Python Docs on Maemo: Maemo 2.1 www.maemo.org/platform/docs/pymaemo/python_maemo_howto.html Maemo 3.0 www.maemo.org/platform/docs/python-bora/python_maemo_howto.html but i think that are both not for dev. home applets Mathias - Ursprüngliche Mitteilung - Von: Jose Manrique Lopez de la Fuente <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> An: maemo-developers@maemo.org Gesendet: Di., 9. Jan. 2007 13:09:25 CET Betreff: Re: [maemo-developers] step by step tutorial for developing home applets Is it for python? Is there a python howto for home applets 2007/1/9, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > Hi, > > now we have this one: > http://www.maemo.org/platform/docs/howtos/tutorial_desktop_plugins_bora.html > > Not really step-by-step though. Is that not good enough? Let us know. > > Br, > > --jakub > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > ext Mathias Uebelacker > Sent: 09 January, 2007 12:17 > To: maemo-developers@maemo.org > Subject: [maemo-developers] step by step tutorial for developing home > applets > > > Hello to everybody, > > first of all, this is my second question to this topic. With the answers to > my first question i could solve another prob. Does anybody knows a step by > step tutorial for developing home applets? I looking for a tutorial like > Teemus Python tutorials for "...Python...". > > http://teemuharju.net/pymaemo-tutorials/ > > Thanks again > Mathias > > > ___ > maemo-developers mailing list > maemo-developers@maemo.org > https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers > > > -- J. Manrique López de la Fuente http://www.jsmanrique.net msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
[maemo-developers] Telomer, a WIP email client
Hiya folks, Since I've not mentioned it on the mailing list before, and since it's reaching the point it's usable with slightly less hand-holding than before, I'd like to point out Telomer to the assembled masses. Telomer is a Lemonade Profile capable ACAP-aware email client, written in Python. Loosely, this means that it's a very low bandwidth IMAP/ESMTP client which can share its configuration with your desktop/laptop client (assuming it, too, speaks ACAP, like Polymer does). In fact, it's simpler to configure it by configuring Polymer somewhere. It follows the Lemonade Profile - RFC4550 - which provides several extensions to IMAP and ESMTP to provide much increased efficiency. It also has support for several other IMAP and ESMTP extensions, which minimizes the bandwidth usage, making it reasonably fast and very cheap over mobile links. It does not do traditional desktop client things like POP3, nor threaded message displays. If you want that, you're best off with something like Sylpheed - Andrew Flegg has ported it at http://www.bleb.org/software/770/#sylpheed If does, however, synchronize my INBOX (which has 40,000 messages in) in a few seconds (and fewer bytes) over GPRS, and it'll forward a 55M message over GPRS faster than a desktop client can on a LAN - http://blog.dave.cridland.net/?p=17 gives some details using Polymer, which uses the same library. It's still a work in progress, and still unsuited to end users, but I'm at the point where I use it regularly, for keeping track of my email over lunchtime, etc, and it would benefit hugely from people: - Giving me comments. - Finding bugs. - Testing it. - Contributing code. Please give it a go, repository information is at http://trac.dave.cridland.net/cgi-bin/trac.cgi/wiki/Polymer770 - and feel free to drop me a line by Jabber, email, etc to let me know how you get on. I'm also about on #maemo as dwd if you prefer IRC. Dave. -- Dave Cridland - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - xmpp:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - acap://acap.dave.cridland.net/byowner/user/dwd/bookmarks/ - http://dave.cridland.net/ Infotrope Polymer - ACAP, IMAP, ESMTP, and Lemonade ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] step by step tutorial for developing home applets
Is it for python? Is there a python howto for home applets 2007/1/9, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Hi, now we have this one: http://www.maemo.org/platform/docs/howtos/tutorial_desktop_plugins_bora.html Not really step-by-step though. Is that not good enough? Let us know. Br, --jakub From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ext Mathias Uebelacker Sent: 09 January, 2007 12:17 To: maemo-developers@maemo.org Subject: [maemo-developers] step by step tutorial for developing home applets Hello to everybody, first of all, this is my second question to this topic. With the answers to my first question i could solve another prob. Does anybody knows a step by step tutorial for developing home applets? I looking for a tutorial like Teemus Python tutorials for "...Python...". http://teemuharju.net/pymaemo-tutorials/ Thanks again Mathias ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers -- J. Manrique López de la Fuente http://www.jsmanrique.net msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Aw: RE: [maemo-developers] step by step tutorial for developing home applets
Hello Jakub, thanks for the new link. now i have two more queations: 1, It is possible to get the whole files of your "Aviation Weather Home Applet" before making a package for the device (to examine each file and the dir-structure)?, by that it would be a pleisure for to write than a "newbie-tutorial". 2. You point me to a bora tutorial - is there no difference between home applets for the N777 and the N800? I thought that bora is only for the N800 Thanks Mathias - Ursprüngliche Mitteilung - Von: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> An: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Gesendet: Di., 9. Jan. 2007 11:23:36 CET Betreff: RE: [maemo-developers] step by step tutorial for developing home applets Hi, now we have this one: http://www.maemo.org/platform/docs/howtos/tutorial_desktop_plugins_bora. html Not really step-by-step though. Is that not good enough? Let us know. Br, --jakub From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ext Mathias Uebelacker Sent: 09 January, 2007 12:17 To: maemo-developers@maemo.org Subject: [maemo-developers] step by step tutorial for developing home applets Hello to everybody, first of all, this is my second question to this topic. With the answers to my first question i could solve another prob. Does anybody knows a step by step tutorial for developing home applets? I looking for a tutorial like Teemus Python tutorials for "...Python...". http://teemuharju.net/pymaemo-tutorials/ Thanks again Mathias ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
[maemo-developers] libgpsbt 0.1-18 license?
Hi, the copyright notice is missing from COPYING file in both libgpsbt and libgpsmgr files, the right text can be found at debian/copyright file. Also libgpsbt/debian/copyright file talks about libgpsmgr library instead of libgpsbt. All the *.c and *.h files have correct copyright texts in place. Jukka ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] missing out source?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Kimmo Hämäläinen schreef: > On Tue, 2007-01-09 at 11:38 +0100, ext Koen Kooi wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] schreef: Hi, Outo is open source package copyrighted by Tommi Leino. > I know, and I also know I can get outo from http://outo.sf.net. BUT what I'm > after is: > 7e13ba221b3ece2dace6f6118b4acafd 255866 outo_0.1.1-2.diff.gz > > which looks like a nokia patch to outo. > >> I'm not aware of any Nokia patches to Outo, so any Outo version should >> do... >> (You need it only for running some unit tests.) http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo3.0/free/source/outo_0.1.1-2.diff.gz :) regards, Koen > >> BR; Kimmo > > regards, > > Koen > Br, Karoliina > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ext Koen Kooi > Sent: 09 January, 2007 12:14 > To: maemo developers > Subject: [maemo-developers] missing out source? > Hi, the Sources file says: "Package: outo Binary: outo Version: 0.1.1-2 Maintainer: Tommi Leino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 4.0.0) Architecture: any Standards-Version: 3.6.0 Format: 1.0 Directory: pool/bora/free/source Files: 0d32aefa302f4d17c652c9359f98bb79 311 outo_0.1.1-2.dsc 798eb3a03c519bd5f829775f5b219a91 171181 outo_0.1.1.orig.tar.gz 7e13ba221b3ece2dace6f6118b4acafd 255866 outo_0.1.1-2.diff.gz " But I can only find outo_0.1.1-2.dsc in pool/bora/free/source. regards, Koen > ___ > maemo-developers mailing list > maemo-developers@maemo.org > https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (Darwin) iD8DBQFFo3PCMkyGM64RGpERAkVRAKC3+VSRHEIIzPjuQMgDX6MZaZKmxgCeNZ9i cD1TRx9stwwlxICSJZ3jhWk= =CtNQ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] cannot find keyboard.defs
Hello Mohammad, Yes, you are right, actually I just did it. I used maemo-sdk-install_3.0.sh when I installed and I guessed it installed everything... Now I can see the virtual keyboard and others also. Thank you for the info. Regards, Kimitake -Original Message- From:Mohammad Anwari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: ext Kimitake Abe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date:Tue, 09 Jan 2007 12:38:56 +0200 Subject: Re: [maemo-developers] cannot find keyboard.defs Pada hari Selasa, tanggal 09/01/2007 pukul 02:22 -0800, ext Kimitake Abe menulis: > Hi, > > I just installed maemo 3.0 and executed af-sb-init.sh, but I got > the following error and couldn't see virtual keyboard (soft key). > > AF Warning: '/etc/osso-af-init/keyboard.defs' not found > > Is it expected? > > maemo 2.1 with scratchbox 0.9.8 has the file above and can show > the virtual keyboard (e.g, when I execute maemopad). > > I'm wondering to implement plugin for Hildon Input Methods > so I guess I need the GUI. Hi, As the http://repository.maemo.org/stable/bora/INSTALL.txt says, you need to download the binaries installer, then after that just apt-get install maemo-explicit. The binaries installer is available here: http://www.maemo.org/downloads/releases.html > - > Kimitake Abe > > ___ > maemo-developers mailing list > maemo-developers@maemo.org > https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] missing out source?
On Tue, 2007-01-09 at 11:38 +0100, ext Koen Kooi wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] schreef: > > Hi, > > > > Outo is open source package copyrighted by Tommi Leino. > > I know, and I also know I can get outo from http://outo.sf.net. BUT what I'm > after is: > 7e13ba221b3ece2dace6f6118b4acafd 255866 outo_0.1.1-2.diff.gz > > which looks like a nokia patch to outo. I'm not aware of any Nokia patches to Outo, so any Outo version should do... (You need it only for running some unit tests.) BR; Kimmo > > regards, > > Koen > > > > > Br, > > Karoliina > > > > > >> -Original Message- > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ext Koen Kooi > >> Sent: 09 January, 2007 12:14 > >> To: maemo developers > >> Subject: [maemo-developers] missing out source? > >> > > Hi, > > > > the Sources file says: > > > > "Package: outo > > Binary: outo > > Version: 0.1.1-2 > > Maintainer: Tommi Leino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 4.0.0) > > Architecture: any > > Standards-Version: 3.6.0 > > Format: 1.0 > > Directory: pool/bora/free/source > > Files: > > 0d32aefa302f4d17c652c9359f98bb79 311 outo_0.1.1-2.dsc > > 798eb3a03c519bd5f829775f5b219a91 171181 > > outo_0.1.1.orig.tar.gz 7e13ba221b3ece2dace6f6118b4acafd > > 255866 outo_0.1.1-2.diff.gz " > > > > But I can only find outo_0.1.1-2.dsc in pool/bora/free/source. > > > > regards, > > > > Koen > ___ > maemo-developers mailing list > maemo-developers@maemo.org > https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers > >> > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (Darwin) > > iD8DBQFFo3CwMkyGM64RGpERAv0CAKCbj7S/0LzZZ/pgOaNm7a15G4x1AQCfZH6c > V+yHUaPCuUMv0gr+d3c8hFE= > =ALHH > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > ___ > maemo-developers mailing list > maemo-developers@maemo.org > https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] cannot find keyboard.defs
Pada hari Selasa, tanggal 09/01/2007 pukul 02:22 -0800, ext Kimitake Abe menulis: > Hi, > > I just installed maemo 3.0 and executed af-sb-init.sh, but I got > the following error and couldn't see virtual keyboard (soft key). > > AF Warning: '/etc/osso-af-init/keyboard.defs' not found > > Is it expected? > > maemo 2.1 with scratchbox 0.9.8 has the file above and can show > the virtual keyboard (e.g, when I execute maemopad). > > I'm wondering to implement plugin for Hildon Input Methods > so I guess I need the GUI. Hi, As the http://repository.maemo.org/stable/bora/INSTALL.txt says, you need to download the binaries installer, then after that just apt-get install maemo-explicit. The binaries installer is available here: http://www.maemo.org/downloads/releases.html > - > Kimitake Abe > > ___ > maemo-developers mailing list > maemo-developers@maemo.org > https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] missing out source?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] schreef: > Hi, > > Outo is open source package copyrighted by Tommi Leino. I know, and I also know I can get outo from http://outo.sf.net. BUT what I'm after is: 7e13ba221b3ece2dace6f6118b4acafd 255866 outo_0.1.1-2.diff.gz which looks like a nokia patch to outo. regards, Koen > > Br, > Karoliina > > >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ext Koen Kooi >> Sent: 09 January, 2007 12:14 >> To: maemo developers >> Subject: [maemo-developers] missing out source? >> > Hi, > > the Sources file says: > > "Package: outo > Binary: outo > Version: 0.1.1-2 > Maintainer: Tommi Leino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 4.0.0) > Architecture: any > Standards-Version: 3.6.0 > Format: 1.0 > Directory: pool/bora/free/source > Files: > 0d32aefa302f4d17c652c9359f98bb79 311 outo_0.1.1-2.dsc > 798eb3a03c519bd5f829775f5b219a91 171181 > outo_0.1.1.orig.tar.gz 7e13ba221b3ece2dace6f6118b4acafd > 255866 outo_0.1.1-2.diff.gz " > > But I can only find outo_0.1.1-2.dsc in pool/bora/free/source. > > regards, > > Koen ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (Darwin) iD8DBQFFo3CwMkyGM64RGpERAv0CAKCbj7S/0LzZZ/pgOaNm7a15G4x1AQCfZH6c V+yHUaPCuUMv0gr+d3c8hFE= =ALHH -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
RE: [maemo-developers] step by step tutorial for developing home applets
Hi, now we have this one: http://www.maemo.org/platform/docs/howtos/tutorial_desktop_plugins_bora. html Not really step-by-step though. Is that not good enough? Let us know. Br, --jakub From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ext Mathias Uebelacker Sent: 09 January, 2007 12:17 To: maemo-developers@maemo.org Subject: [maemo-developers] step by step tutorial for developing home applets Hello to everybody, first of all, this is my second question to this topic. With the answers to my first question i could solve another prob. Does anybody knows a step by step tutorial for developing home applets? I looking for a tutorial like Teemus Python tutorials for "...Python...". http://teemuharju.net/pymaemo-tutorials/ Thanks again Mathias ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
[maemo-developers] cannot find keyboard.defs
Hi, I just installed maemo 3.0 and executed af-sb-init.sh, but I got the following error and couldn't see virtual keyboard (soft key). AF Warning: '/etc/osso-af-init/keyboard.defs' not found Is it expected? maemo 2.1 with scratchbox 0.9.8 has the file above and can show the virtual keyboard (e.g, when I execute maemopad). I'm wondering to implement plugin for Hildon Input Methods so I guess I need the GUI. - Kimitake Abe ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
[maemo-developers] step by step tutorial for developing home applets
Hello to everybody, first of all, this is my second question to this topic. With the answers to my first question i could solve another prob. Does anybody knows a step by step tutorial for developing home applets? I looking for a tutorial like Teemus Python tutorials for "...Python...". http://teemuharju.net/pymaemo-tutorials/ Thanks again Mathias ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
[maemo-developers] missing out source?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, the Sources file says: "Package: outo Binary: outo Version: 0.1.1-2 Maintainer: Tommi Leino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 4.0.0) Architecture: any Standards-Version: 3.6.0 Format: 1.0 Directory: pool/bora/free/source Files: 0d32aefa302f4d17c652c9359f98bb79 311 outo_0.1.1-2.dsc 798eb3a03c519bd5f829775f5b219a91 171181 outo_0.1.1.orig.tar.gz 7e13ba221b3ece2dace6f6118b4acafd 255866 outo_0.1.1-2.diff.gz " But I can only find outo_0.1.1-2.dsc in pool/bora/free/source. regards, Koen -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (Darwin) iD8DBQFFo2roMkyGM64RGpERApX8AJ4/HWyE37mnnJL3Q4ft8MYFkkXW4wCcDyep 0421E1ASdITTL9O3w3dF6FI= =CUFj -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
RE: [maemo-developers] libgpsbt 0.1-18 license?
Hi, The "copyright notice above" is most likely as usual "Copyright (c) 2006 Nokia Corporation. All rights reserved." (do not know for sure, this is not my component). I'm sure those guys will fix that really fast;) Br, --jakub >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ext Koen Kooi >Sent: 09 January, 2007 11:53 >To: maemo developers >Subject: [maemo-developers] libgpsbt 0.1-18 license? > >-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >Hash: SHA1 > >Hi, > >I couldn't figure out this part of the libgpsbt license: > >"Redistribution and use in source and binary forms, with or >without modification, are permitted provided that the >following conditions are met: > >Redistributions of source code must retain the above copyright >notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer. >Redistributions in binary form must reproduce the above >copyright notice, this list of conditions and the following >disclaimer in the documentation and/or other materials >provided with the distribution. >The name of the author may not be used to endorse or promote >products derived from this software without specific prior >written permission. >" > >Those are the *first* 4 lines of COPYING. I see no 'above >copyright notice', just a MIT like disclaimer *below*. Could >one of the nokia people give me the right license (MIT, BSD, APL, etc)? > >regards, > >Koen >-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- >Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (Darwin) > >iD8DBQFFo2XsMkyGM64RGpERAhzoAKCSBfH0RYebJXNYSmkH0DfuVhcjDwCfb9kN >defrbhB9XBJv6K+umJKR7Lg= >=q7oR >-END PGP SIGNATURE- >___ >maemo-developers mailing list >maemo-developers@maemo.org >https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers > ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] libgpsbt 0.1-18 license?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Koen Kooi schreef: > Hi, > > I couldn't figure out this part of the libgpsbt license: Same goes for libgpsmgr 0.1-10 regards, Koen -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (Darwin) iD8DBQFFo2aaMkyGM64RGpERAt75AJ9A3LZedm/GZlQeYAFj7SekFB+nOwCeLNhx 7019CPg9+NKi0WW3gg5fIRg= =S1z3 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
[maemo-developers] libgpsbt 0.1-18 license?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I couldn't figure out this part of the libgpsbt license: "Redistribution and use in source and binary forms, with or without modification, are permitted provided that the following conditions are met: Redistributions of source code must retain the above copyright notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer. Redistributions in binary form must reproduce the above copyright notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer in the documentation and/or other materials provided with the distribution. The name of the author may not be used to endorse or promote products derived from this software without specific prior written permission. " Those are the *first* 4 lines of COPYING. I see no 'above copyright notice', just a MIT like disclaimer *below*. Could one of the nokia people give me the right license (MIT, BSD, APL, etc)? regards, Koen -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (Darwin) iD8DBQFFo2XsMkyGM64RGpERAhzoAKCSBfH0RYebJXNYSmkH0DfuVhcjDwCfb9kN defrbhB9XBJv6K+umJKR7Lg= =q7oR -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Creating themes for Maemo
On Mon, Jan 08, 2007 at 06:31:36PM -0500, ext Derek Coleman wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I am working on some new Maemo themes, and was wondering how would I go > about packaging a theme? More specifically, what is the exact directory/file > structure and is there any way to make themes using a template much like > this one: > https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/tags/hildon-theme-plankton-3/0.3.0-2/template/template.png? Yes, it's possible. The (new) theming is a bit of a work in progress (still) but you can already use it. The basic process would go as follows: 1) Install the hildon-theme-tools 2) Install the hildon-theme-layout-3 (that's the bora layout) 3) Copy the hlidon-theme-plankton-3 to your own dir, replace some names in configure.ac (they're documented in the file) 4) Replace the template.png with your own. Than, to build the correct debian package you will want to do the usual search & replace in the debian/* files. As I said, we're still working on the theming and there will be updates coming. Don't hesitate to ask questions though. -- MDK ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
RE: [maemo-developers] Building 'maemo 3.0' against stockbase libraries
>> Since Nokia decided that my n770 is unworthy of OS2007[1], I >wanted to >> see how much trouble it is to compile the various maemo3 components >> against a stock gtk/cairo/esound/dbus/etc and run that on my 770. > >>> I obviously know next to nothing compared to you and your >>> OpenEmbedded cohorts, but how much trouble would it be to throw out >>> Maemo all together and use OpenEmbedded on the 770...with GPE, or >>> Opie II whenever that's ready. > >You can already do that with Openembeded, just set >MACHINE=nokia770. However, I am not really interested in that, >I'm interested in getting 'maemo' to build against stock base >libraries when possible and use it on various non-nokia >devices (including my x86 workstation, maemo-mapper at >1600x1200... drool...). > >regards, > >Koen > Hi there, We have been working on that already in the HildonDesktop (http://www.karoliinasalminen.com/blog/?p=143). Scaling it up was just first step. Reworking the dependencies would be next one. Keep it touch if you feel like helping with that. Br, --jakub P.S.: Code is out there in the open (is it this one? https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/branches/maemo-af-desktop /hildon-desktop/). ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
