Re: bluetooth keyboard: i can has dvorak?

[Martin Schütte]

Screamin Ike schrieb:
> and pretty much figured out how to do everything i need except switch my
> bt kbd to dvorak. any tips?

Hello,
you can replace one of the existing keyboard layouts by editing the 
layout definition under /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols.
E.g. I replaced the danish layout with the Dvorak layout from my PC.

I wrote a short description after I set up my Apple BT keyboard. It is 
only in german, but maybe you find the config lines useful:
http://mschuette.name/wp/2008/08/31/keyboard-die-zweite/

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Re: bluetooth keyboard issues with Chinook

[Kevin T. Neely]

On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 10:39:09AM +0200, Andre Klapper wrote:
> Am Dienstag, den 24.06.2008, 11:53 -0400 schrieb Jeffrey Mark Siskind:
> > I have noticed several issue with bluetooth keyboards with Chinook on the 
> > N810.
> 


Not sure which problem(s) you are experiencing, but if it is this one, here is 
a shortcut for you:

[Bug 2850] On screen keyboard dooesn't always realise that bluetooth
keyboard has been connected or disconnected

https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2850

Just happened to be in my mail, as someone commented on it regarding Diablo 
this morning.

cheers,
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Re: bluetooth keyboard issues with Chinook

[Quim Gil]

ext Andre Klapper wrote:
> Can you please file bug reports about these issues at
> https://bugzilla.maemo.org ? 

http://bugs.maemo.org is the right one.

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Re: bluetooth keyboard issues with Chinook

[Andre Klapper]

Am Dienstag, den 24.06.2008, 11:53 -0400 schrieb Jeffrey Mark Siskind:
> I have noticed several issue with bluetooth keyboards with Chinook on the 
> N810.

Can you please file bug reports about these issues at
https://bugzilla.maemo.org ? Please provide as much information as
possible (Manufacturer, exact software version etc) so one can try to
reproduce this.

Thanks,
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Re: Bluetooth keyboard?

[Mark]

On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 2:33 PM, Paul Gear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Mike Klein wrote:
>  > Key travel sucks on them. Not a good typing experience. Hard to home
>  > your fingers on keys.
>  >
>  > They do look great though!
>
>  Congratulations!  You've just summed up Apple's products in two
>  sentences.  ;-)
>
>  I have a Think Outside Bluetooth foldable keyboard (rebadged by Dell),
>  which i bought with my old Dell Axim X50v.  It works better with my N800
>  than it did with my Axim, and the typing experience is surprisingly good
>  once you get used to the smaller keys.
>
>  Paul

This is my ideal, but at $140.00, it's way beyond my budget right now.

Mark
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Re: Bluetooth keyboard?

[Marius Gedminas]

On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 07:21:03PM -0400, Jeffrey Mark Siskind wrote:
>   Marius Vollmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
>   Yay, academics on the run, ready to toss out a paper wherever they
>   go... :-)
> 
> You betcha. I carry my N810, my Freedom Universal bluetooth keyboard, and my
> Motorola RAZR2 V9m in my pocket at all times. I can write, compile, and debug
> code with Scheme->C (which I ported to maemo with the help of Andrei Barbu)
> and I can write papers and proposals about it. The only thing I use my laptop
> for now is to give presentations where an XGA out is needed. But since LaTeX
> beamer and xpdf work on the N810, if Nokia were to make a future device that
> had a XGA out (even with a dongle or via USB or bluetooth or SDIO) ...

This looks promising:
http://www.internettablettalk.com/2008/03/14/the-nobounds-project/

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Re: Bluetooth keyboard?

[Luca Olivetti]

En/na Mark ha escrit:

> What are they calling it? I tried a couple of different searches.

Try this search:

mini usb keyboard -motorola -vacuum -vaccum -flexible -silicone -silicon 
-numeric -kitty -numpad


> Those adapters are harder to find than you might think. I refuse to
> pay more for shipping than for the actual product, but all I can find
> locally is the X-in-1 cables, and that's too much bulk to carry around
> in my waist pack.

http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.2646

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Re: Bluetooth keyboard?

[Mark]

On 3/19/08, Luca Olivetti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> En/na Mark Haury ha escrit:
>
> > Unfortunately, they are apparently sold out, and I can't find another
>  > source for either the keyboard or the USB adapter.
>
> I see plenty of that same keyboard on ebay, unfortunately they're a bit
>  more expensive that the one in the forum, but not that much.
>
What are they calling it? I tried a couple of different searches.
>
>  > I need one of those
>  > USB adapters more than anything else. It's critical for using host mode.
>
> No, you can just use a standard female-a to mini-b adapter (or even a
>  female-a to female-a connected on the standard cable that came with the
>  n800) and switch the n800 to host mode by typing (as root)
Those adapters are harder to find than you might think. I refuse to
pay more for shipping than for the actual product, but all I can find
locally is the X-in-1 cables, and that's too much bulk to carry around
in my waist pack.

>
>  echo host > /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode
>
>  There are many posts on ITT explaining how to create menu entries to
>  automate that.
>
That's good to know. There's also a utility on maemo.org called
"USBControl" that has a nice GUI, but I haven't been able to test is
without an adapter.

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Re: Bluetooth keyboard?

[Mark]

On 3/19/08, Bob Lees <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  > > If I could get a decent keyboard and OpenOffice.org working with my
>  > > N800, I'd be in 7th heaven. (I've heard Abiword is being ported, but
>  > > I've tried it on my desktop and it's just not a workable alternative
>  > > for me.)
>  >
>  > OpenOffice.org on an IT?  I can't even imagine that.  It would be like
>  > stuffing an elephant into a Smart Car.
>
>
> ... and wouldn't that be a sight to behold ...  Of course there is always the
>  flying pig ...
>  >
>  > Marius Gedminas
>  Aylesbury
>  Bucks, HP17 8UG
>  England

Actually, there *is* an armel port of OpenOffice, I'm just not savvy
enough to get it installed. Besides, if a full word processor like
Abiword can work, it's not much of a stretch.

Mark.
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Re: Bluetooth keyboard?

[Bob Lees]

On Wednesday 19 March 2008 16:19:41 Marius Gedminas wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 04:14:33PM -0600, Mark wrote:
> > Has anybody tried one of those Apple Wireless Bluetooth Keyboards with
> > their IT?
>
> Yes; it works fine, mostly.
>
> Every now and then a key gets repeated several times, like this.
>
> > If I could get a decent keyboard and OpenOffice.org working with my
> > N800, I'd be in 7th heaven. (I've heard Abiword is being ported, but
> > I've tried it on my desktop and it's just not a workable alternative
> > for me.)
>
> OpenOffice.org on an IT?  I can't even imagine that.  It would be like
> stuffing an elephant into a Smart Car.

... and wouldn't that be a sight to behold ...  Of course there is always the 
flying pig ...
>
> Marius Gedminas



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Re: Bluetooth keyboard?

[Jeffrey Mark Siskind]

  *When* is someone going to make Emacs work on the N800? 

http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=138539

http://troubleshooter.is-a-geek.com/emacs_22.1-1_armel.deb

I've been running it for almost two months. Works like a charm.
OTOH, when is someone going to make LaTeX work?
http://maemo.org/development/tools/ has a port of tetex-{base,bin,extra} but
they are not installable for reasons that I have posted elsewhere (conflicts
with busybox and fakedebconf).

But I have been running Debian sid in a chroot for almost a month as per:

http://maemo.org/community/wiki/debianarmel_on_it/

And I have tetex-extra installed in that. And I have ssh/chroot trampolines to
make LaTeX, BibTeX, and xdvi in the chroot accessible to the standard Emacs
commands. Works like a charm. The only catch is that while I have cvs
installed in the chroot, I can't get trampolines for cvs to work with Emacs.
That is a story for another day.

  Marius Vollmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

  Yay, academics on the run, ready to toss out a paper wherever they
  go... :-)

You betcha. I carry my N810, my Freedom Universal bluetooth keyboard, and my
Motorola RAZR2 V9m in my pocket at all times. I can write, compile, and debug
code with Scheme->C (which I ported to maemo with the help of Andrei Barbu)
and I can write papers and proposals about it. The only thing I use my laptop
for now is to give presentations where an XGA out is needed. But since LaTeX
beamer and xpdf work on the N810, if Nokia were to make a future device that
had a XGA out (even with a dongle or via USB or bluetooth or SDIO) ...

Jeff (http://www.ece.purdue.edu/~qobi)
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Re: Bluetooth keyboard?

[Peter Flynn]

Ryan Pavlik wrote:
> Mark wrote:
>> If I could get a decent keyboard and OpenOffice.org working with my
>> N800, I'd be in 7th heaven. (I've heard Abiword is being ported, but
>> I've tried it on my desktop and it's just not a workable alternative
>> for me.)
>>   
> Abiword has been ported and is in closed beta testing now.  I'm not sure 
> why it wouldn't be a workable alternative - it's certainly more than 
> workable for several million people as far as I know.  I'd suggest 
> trying a new version (actually, waiting a couple days and trying 2.6.0), 
> since distros frequently ship old, outdated versions with bugs we've 
> already fixed.  If you run across a bug, please do search 
> bugzilla.abisource.com and if it's not there report it.  Statements like 
> this on mailing lists only build bad blood and don't really help us 
> improve the software.  Thanks!

I'm using it and it works fine. I used it in a meeting all day today to
take notes without any problems. I then upload the file to a bigger
system and open the .abw file there and export to XML. Having the XML
export in the N800 version would be a major plus, but I suspect that's
not on most people's wishlists :-)

*When* is someone going to make Emacs work on the N800? 

The only difficulties I've had using AbiWord have been:

a) very rarely, if you use the stylus to highlight a lot of text (press
and drag down a couple of paras or more) it refuses to relinquish the
mark when you lift the stylus, and goes on highlighting right down to
the bottom of the document and then hangs. Unreported, as I can't
reproduce it to order.

b) with my iGo BT keyboard, something occasionally goes flaky and the
space character starts repeating and goes on forever, even after you
manage to kill AbiWord (so that if you subsequently click in another
text field like the Google search, the spaces continue repeating there.
You have to power off and reboot. So far this only starts happening when
I use AbiWord, but as it seems to be BT/iGo related, I'm not convinced
that AbiWord itself is at fault, although something in there may be
contributing. Didn't happen today, for example :-)

///Peter

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Re: Bluetooth keyboard?

[Paul Gear]

Mike Klein wrote:
> Key travel sucks on them. Not a good typing experience. Hard to home 
> your fingers on keys.
> 
> They do look great though!

Congratulations!  You've just summed up Apple's products in two
sentences.  ;-)

I have a Think Outside Bluetooth foldable keyboard (rebadged by Dell),
which i bought with my old Dell Axim X50v.  It works better with my N800
than it did with my Axim, and the typing experience is surprisingly good
once you get used to the smaller keys.

Paul

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Re: Bluetooth keyboard?

[Luca Olivetti]

El Wed, 19 Mar 2008 18:19:41 +0200
Marius Gedminas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió:

> On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 04:14:33PM -0600, Mark wrote:
> > Has anybody tried one of those Apple Wireless Bluetooth Keyboards
> > with their IT?
> 
> Yes; it works fine, mostly.
> 
> Every now and then a key gets repeated several times, like
> this.

Well, that's to recreate the feeling of the on screen keyboard ;-)

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Re: Bluetooth keyboard?

[Marius Gedminas]

On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 04:14:33PM -0600, Mark wrote:
> Has anybody tried one of those Apple Wireless Bluetooth Keyboards with
> their IT?

Yes; it works fine, mostly.

Every now and then a key gets repeated several times, like this.

> If I could get a decent keyboard and OpenOffice.org working with my
> N800, I'd be in 7th heaven. (I've heard Abiword is being ported, but
> I've tried it on my desktop and it's just not a workable alternative
> for me.)

OpenOffice.org on an IT?  I can't even imagine that.  It would be like
stuffing an elephant into a Smart Car.

Marius Gedminas
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Re: Bluetooth keyboard?

[Ryan Pavlik]

Bob Lees wrote:
> Hi Ryan
>
> When will abiword be available in a wider forum for chinook?  Its the one 
> piece I am missing from n8[01]0.
>
> Thanks
>
> Bob
>
>   
As soon as it's stabilized.  I'm very low on time right now, but all the 
structure is there if someone wants to help out and contribute a few 
critical bug fixes.  Search for the "AbiWord on 2008?" thread on 
internettablettalk (I'm megabyte405) to stay up to date and join the 
private beta if you are willing to help.

Ryan

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Re: Bluetooth keyboard?

[Bob Lees]

Hi Ryan

When will abiword be available in a wider forum for chinook?  Its the one 
piece I am missing from n8[01]0.

Thanks

Bob

On Wednesday 19 March 2008 11:55:23 Ryan Pavlik wrote:
> Mark wrote:
> > If I could get a decent keyboard and OpenOffice.org working with my
> > N800, I'd be in 7th heaven. (I've heard Abiword is being ported, but
> > I've tried it on my desktop and it's just not a workable alternative
> > for me.)
>
> Abiword has been ported and is in closed beta testing now.  I'm not sure
> why it wouldn't be a workable alternative - it's certainly more than
> workable for several million people as far as I know.  I'd suggest
> trying a new version (actually, waiting a couple days and trying 2.6.0),
> since distros frequently ship old, outdated versions with bugs we've
> already fixed.  If you run across a bug, please do search
> bugzilla.abisource.com and if it's not there report it.  Statements like
> this on mailing lists only build bad blood and don't really help us
> improve the software.  Thanks!



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Re: Bluetooth keyboard?

[Ryan Pavlik]

Mark wrote:
>
> If I could get a decent keyboard and OpenOffice.org working with my
> N800, I'd be in 7th heaven. (I've heard Abiword is being ported, but
> I've tried it on my desktop and it's just not a workable alternative
> for me.)
>   
Abiword has been ported and is in closed beta testing now.  I'm not sure 
why it wouldn't be a workable alternative - it's certainly more than 
workable for several million people as far as I know.  I'd suggest 
trying a new version (actually, waiting a couple days and trying 2.6.0), 
since distros frequently ship old, outdated versions with bugs we've 
already fixed.  If you run across a bug, please do search 
bugzilla.abisource.com and if it's not there report it.  Statements like 
this on mailing lists only build bad blood and don't really help us 
improve the software.  Thanks!

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Re: Bluetooth keyboard?

[Luca Olivetti]

En/na Mark Haury ha escrit:
> Unfortunately, they are apparently sold out, and I can't find another 
> source for either the keyboard or the USB adapter. 

I see plenty of that same keyboard on ebay, unfortunately they're a bit 
more expensive that the one in the forum, but not that much.

> I need one of those 
> USB adapters more than anything else. It's critical for using host mode. 

No, you can just use a standard female-a to mini-b adapter (or even a 
female-a to female-a connected on the standard cable that came with the 
n800) and switch the n800 to host mode by typing (as root)

echo host > /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode

There are many posts on ITT explaining how to create menu entries to 
automate that.

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Re: Bluetooth keyboard?

[Mark Haury]

Mike Klein wrote:
> Some of the locking/folding keyboards  to have problems with 
> providing stable surface (they flexed)...and I think many have solved 
> this early issue. This used to be only reason to ignore folding style.
>
> Something coming soon that looks kinda cool is the credit-card sized 
> (bluetooth) keyboard from Freedom Input...supposed to be produced in 
> march...but they've been hyping this for past year I think.
>
> http://freedominput.com/site/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=13&Itemid=30
>  
> 
>
> If I have 2 thumbs free I could bang away hard on this little 
> suckaN800 or folder keyboard could be better for 'longer' typing 
> stints I guess.
>
>
> mike

Thanks, but that's too small. I want something I can touch-type on. This
one would save the touch-screen from overuse, but so would the larger
keyboards. I can use the on-screen keyboard just as fast as I would be
able to use this one, especially with the predictive text that the
on-screen keyboard does.

Mark

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Re: Bluetooth keyboard?

[Mark Haury]

Unfortunately, they are apparently sold out, and I can't find
another source for either the keyboard or the USB adapter. I need one
of those USB adapters more than anything else. It's critical for using
host mode. I've been considering splicing a couple of cables together,
but it would be nice to just have the little adapter.

Mark

Luca Olivetti wrote:

  En/na Mark ha escrit:

  
  
But if I could find something the size of my IR keyboard for a
reasonable price that's compatible, I'd jump at it.

  
  
You can check this one:
http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18034
It's usb and it seems too small to me, but for the poster seems to work 
fine.

Bye
  



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Re: Bluetooth keyboard?

[Luca Olivetti]

En/na Mark ha escrit:

> But if I could find something the size of my IR keyboard for a
> reasonable price that's compatible, I'd jump at it.

You can check this one:
http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18034
It's usb and it seems too small to me, but for the poster seems to work 
fine.

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Re: Bluetooth keyboard?

[Mike Klein]

Some of the locking/folding keyboards  to have problems with 
providing stable surface (they flexed)...and I think many have solved 
this early issue. This used to be only reason to ignore folding style.

Something coming soon that looks kinda cool is the credit-card sized 
(bluetooth) keyboard from Freedom Input...supposed to be produced in 
march...but they've been hyping this for past year I think.

http://freedominput.com/site/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=13&Itemid=30
 


If I have 2 thumbs free I could bang away hard on this little 
suckaN800 or folder keyboard could be better for 'longer' typing 
stints I guess.


mike

Daniel M German wrote:
>
>  Mark> On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 4:17 PM, Mike Klein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  >> Key travel sucks on them. Not a good typing experience. Hard to home
>  >> your fingers on keys.
>  >> 
>  >> They do look great though!
>  >> 
>  >> If you're not a real typer you will be happy.
>  >> 
>  >> mike
>  >> 
>
>  Mark> I am definitely a touch typist, but I'm adaptable. I can use my Psion
>  Mark> Series 5 to good effect, as well as a tiny folding IR keyboard for my
>  Mark> Handspring Visor. (Too bad the Nokias don't have IR... of course I'd
>  Mark> still be lacking a driver.) They both have sculpted keys, though, so
>  Mark> it's easy to home your fingers. I'm not expecting a desktop (or even
>  Mark> full-sized laptop) keyboard experience. Apple does tend to place form
>  Mark> before function, image over substance, and hype above reality, so
>  Mark> don't get me started...
>
>  Mark> But I digress. What I really need to know if it's *compatible*, as in
>  Mark> plug-and-play. If it won't work with the N800 or kubuntu out of the
>  Mark> box, I'm not interested.
>
> yes, it is. it works with the N800 out of the box. No special
> configuration is needed.
>
>  Mark> But if I could find something the size of my IR keyboard for a
>  Mark> reasonable price that's compatible, I'd jump at it. $80 for the Apple
>  Mark> keyboard is way at the top end of what I'm willing to pay, and then
>
> Mine came with a mac pro. I would never use it for day to day typing
> (for the reasons Mike mentioned) but it is great for the N800.
>
> --dmg
>
>  Mark> only if it will work with my laptop and desktop as well. $130-$150 for
>  Mark> something that cost the manufacturer $10 at most to make is not my
>  Mark> idea of reasonable (the "Stowaway" model under various brands.) The
>  Mark> even smaller thumb keyboards (akin to the built-in N810 keyboard) are
>  Mark> not an option, either, as that would defeat the purpose.
>
>  Mark> There's a cool little device that projects an image of a keyboard on
>  Mark> any surface, but it's too expensive and won't work on a lap or leg. I
>  Mark> forget who makes it and what it's called, but aside from the coolness
>  Mark> factor and tiniest possible size for toting around, it also lacks any
>  Mark> feedback feel and requires a reasonably flat and relatively large area
>  Mark> to work.
>
>  Mark> Mark
>
>
>
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Re: Bluetooth keyboard?

[Daniel M German]

 Mark> On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 4:17 PM, Mike Klein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 >> Key travel sucks on them. Not a good typing experience. Hard to home
 >> your fingers on keys.
 >> 
 >> They do look great though!
 >> 
 >> If you're not a real typer you will be happy.
 >> 
 >> mike
 >> 

 Mark> I am definitely a touch typist, but I'm adaptable. I can use my Psion
 Mark> Series 5 to good effect, as well as a tiny folding IR keyboard for my
 Mark> Handspring Visor. (Too bad the Nokias don't have IR... of course I'd
 Mark> still be lacking a driver.) They both have sculpted keys, though, so
 Mark> it's easy to home your fingers. I'm not expecting a desktop (or even
 Mark> full-sized laptop) keyboard experience. Apple does tend to place form
 Mark> before function, image over substance, and hype above reality, so
 Mark> don't get me started...

 Mark> But I digress. What I really need to know if it's *compatible*, as in
 Mark> plug-and-play. If it won't work with the N800 or kubuntu out of the
 Mark> box, I'm not interested.

yes, it is. it works with the N800 out of the box. No special
configuration is needed.

 Mark> But if I could find something the size of my IR keyboard for a
 Mark> reasonable price that's compatible, I'd jump at it. $80 for the Apple
 Mark> keyboard is way at the top end of what I'm willing to pay, and then

Mine came with a mac pro. I would never use it for day to day typing
(for the reasons Mike mentioned) but it is great for the N800.

--dmg

 Mark> only if it will work with my laptop and desktop as well. $130-$150 for
 Mark> something that cost the manufacturer $10 at most to make is not my
 Mark> idea of reasonable (the "Stowaway" model under various brands.) The
 Mark> even smaller thumb keyboards (akin to the built-in N810 keyboard) are
 Mark> not an option, either, as that would defeat the purpose.

 Mark> There's a cool little device that projects an image of a keyboard on
 Mark> any surface, but it's too expensive and won't work on a lap or leg. I
 Mark> forget who makes it and what it's called, but aside from the coolness
 Mark> factor and tiniest possible size for toting around, it also lacks any
 Mark> feedback feel and requires a reasonably flat and relatively large area
 Mark> to work.

 Mark> Mark



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Re: Bluetooth keyboard?

[Mark]

On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 4:17 PM, Mike Klein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Key travel sucks on them. Not a good typing experience. Hard to home
>  your fingers on keys.
>
>  They do look great though!
>
>  If you're not a real typer you will be happy.
>
>  mike
>

I am definitely a touch typist, but I'm adaptable. I can use my Psion
Series 5 to good effect, as well as a tiny folding IR keyboard for my
Handspring Visor. (Too bad the Nokias don't have IR... of course I'd
still be lacking a driver.) They both have sculpted keys, though, so
it's easy to home your fingers. I'm not expecting a desktop (or even
full-sized laptop) keyboard experience. Apple does tend to place form
before function, image over substance, and hype above reality, so
don't get me started...

But I digress. What I really need to know if it's *compatible*, as in
plug-and-play. If it won't work with the N800 or kubuntu out of the
box, I'm not interested.

But if I could find something the size of my IR keyboard for a
reasonable price that's compatible, I'd jump at it. $80 for the Apple
keyboard is way at the top end of what I'm willing to pay, and then
only if it will work with my laptop and desktop as well. $130-$150 for
something that cost the manufacturer $10 at most to make is not my
idea of reasonable (the "Stowaway" model under various brands.) The
even smaller thumb keyboards (akin to the built-in N810 keyboard) are
not an option, either, as that would defeat the purpose.

There's a cool little device that projects an image of a keyboard on
any surface, but it's too expensive and won't work on a lap or leg. I
forget who makes it and what it's called, but aside from the coolness
factor and tiniest possible size for toting around, it also lacks any
feedback feel and requires a reasonably flat and relatively large area
to work.

Mark
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Re: Bluetooth keyboard?

[Mike Klein]

Key travel sucks on them. Not a good typing experience. Hard to home 
your fingers on keys.

They do look great though!

If you're not a real typer you will be happy.


mike

Mark wrote:
> Has anybody tried one of those Apple Wireless Bluetooth Keyboards with
> their IT? They say they require OS X, but somebody was saying that it
> worked great with his phone. Do they work with Windows and/or desktop
> Linux as well? Is there a cheaper & smaller alternative?
>
> If I could get a decent keyboard and OpenOffice.org working with my
> N800, I'd be in 7th heaven. (I've heard Abiword is being ported, but
> I've tried it on my desktop and it's just not a workable alternative
> for me.)
>
> Thanks,
> Mark
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