Re: What is the best app to read .doc or .ppt files on N810
On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 10:41:47PM -0700, Mark Haury wrote: Dmitry S. Makovey wrote: Not nitpicking, but trying to point to a possible resolution: you *do* need an active internet connection to receive your mail - so using Goo-Docs doesn't sound like you'd be going out of your way. ...Which is why I mention it. However, email on mobile devices often doesn't require a continuous connection - just transfer messages while you're at a hotspot, then do most of the work offline, then send receive again when you're at another hotspot. Once upon a time, that was the way *all* email worked -- with intermittent UUCO connections over telephone lines, and a lot of relaying. If you've downloaded messages that have attachments you can't open, you're out of luck if you're on a train or plane or otherwise without Internet access while you're using the device. Attachments are, I believe, part of the message. It's URLs that point putside the message that would cause problems. The tablet should have a way of putting things on a queue for to be looked at when you do have net connectivity. -- hendrik Mark ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: What is the best app to read .doc or .ppt files on N810
On 11/16/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 10:41:47PM -0700, Mark Haury wrote: If you've downloaded messages that have attachments you can't open, you're out of luck if you're on a train or plane or otherwise without Internet access while you're using the device. Attachments are, I believe, part of the message. It's URLs that point putside the message that would cause problems. The tablet should have a way of putting things on a queue for to be looked at when you do have net connectivity. -- hendrik You misunderstand; we're talking about attachments that can't be opened on the ITs because there's no application that can handle them. Of course, attachments are integral to messages and it's only the client that makes them appear to be separate. However, if you're using IMAP rather than POP, things get a little fuzzy... ;-) ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: What is the best app to read .doc or .ppt files on N810
On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 06:36:48PM -0700, Mark wrote: On 11/16/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 10:41:47PM -0700, Mark Haury wrote: If you've downloaded messages that have attachments you can't open, you're out of luck if you're on a train or plane or otherwise without Internet access while you're using the device. Attachments are, I believe, part of the message. It's URLs that point putside the message that would cause problems. The tablet should have a way of putting things on a queue for to be looked at when you do have net connectivity. -- hendrik You misunderstand; we're talking about attachments that can't be opened on the ITs because there's no application that can handle them. Ah yes. I see. Of course, attachments are integral to messages and it's only the client that makes them appear to be separate. However, if you're using IMAP rather than POP, things get a little fuzzy... ;-) ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: What is the best app to read .doc or .ppt files on N810
On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 15:02:03 +0100 COURTAUD Didier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I receive frequenty such files my email on my tablet. How can I read them on the tablet ? Good Morning, I use doc reader https://garage.maemo.org/projects/docreader/. Don't know about .ppt files though. Better would be Abiword, but I've not gotten around to installing it. I've heard it's very actively under development. Might try the wiki at ITT? Best Regards, -- ___Peter The Plumber sm on the road State Licensed Master Plumber State Certified Backflow Device Tester Factory Trained Boiler Install/Service NIOSH/OSHA/MIOSHA Trained Confined Space Entry http://petertheplumber.net 24h Service 313.215.5175 Sent from a mobile Internet Tablet ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: What is the best app to read .doc or .ppt files on N810
Mark wrote: There doesn't seem to be any interest with Nokia or the maemo developers to port OpenOffice.org to maemo Let's be realistic about what we can expect to run on the N8X0, people. Porting a fully buzzword compliant office suite to it would be like trying to shoehorn a Cummins 444 engine in to the rear end of a '69 VW Beetle. Oh yeah, then there's cross-compiling to ARM which makes it even more fun. Even older versions don't fit the bill. q.v. the specs req'd for IBM's revamp of OpenOffice.org 2.X... System Requirements for OpenOffice.org 3 GNU/Linux (Linux) * Linux kernel version 2.4 or higher, glibc2 version 2.3.2 or higher * 256 Mbytes RAM (512 MB recommended) * 400 Mbytes available disk space * X-Server with 1024 x 768 or higher resolution with at least 256 colours http://www.openoffice.org/dev_docs/source/sys_reqs_30.html Lotus Symphony supports platforms for Microsoft Windows and Linux. Note: Be sure your system meets these client system requirements: * Supported Windows® platforms: Windows XP, Windows Vista * Supported Linux platforms: SLED 10, RHEL 5, Ubuntu * At least 750MB of free disk space on Linux and at least 540MB of free disk space on Windows * At least 512MB RAM memory * Windows installer does not support AMD64 CPU with XP/Vista 64 bit platforms installed http://symphony.lotus.com/software/lotus/symphony/help.nsf/GeneralFAQ#5 ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: What is the best app to read .doc or .ppt files on N810
On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 10:05:37 -0800 Gary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mark wrote: There doesn't seem to be any interest with Nokia or the maemo developers to port OpenOffice.org to maemo Let's be realistic about what we can expect to run on the N8X0, I fully agree. people. Porting a fully buzzword compliant office suite to it would be like trying to shoehorn a Cummins 444 engine in to the rear end of a '69 VW Beetle. Oh but what a picture that paints! Where do you sit? -- Peter The Plumber sm on the road State Licensed Master Plumber State Certified Backflow Device Tester Factory Trained Boiler Install/Service NIOSH/OSHA/MIOSHA Trained Confined Space Entry http://petertheplumber.net 24h Service 313.215.5175 Sent from a mobile Internet Tablet ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: What is the best app to read .doc or .ppt files on N810
On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 11:05 AM, Gary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mark wrote: There doesn't seem to be any interest with Nokia or the maemo developers to port OpenOffice.org to maemo Let's be realistic about what we can expect to run on the N8X0, people. Porting a fully buzzword compliant office suite to it would be like trying to shoehorn a Cummins 444 engine in to the rear end of a '69 VW Beetle. Oh yeah, then there's cross-compiling to ARM which makes it even more fun. Even older versions don't fit the bill. q.v. the specs req'd for IBM's revamp of OpenOffice.org 2.X... System Requirements for OpenOffice.org 3 GNU/Linux (Linux) * Linux kernel version 2.4 or higher, glibc2 version 2.3.2 or higher * 256 Mbytes RAM (512 MB recommended) * 400 Mbytes available disk space * X-Server with 1024 x 768 or higher resolution with at least 256 colours http://www.openoffice.org/dev_docs/source/sys_reqs_30.html ...so you're saying they are lying about it working? http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/easy-deb-chroot/ http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=182861postcount=60 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20053 System requirements seldom reflect reality. They amount more to recommendations than absolute requirements. Sure, it may be annoyingly slow, but I'll take slow over nothing any day. This isn't HD video editing or HD 3D gaming, either. My primary desktop machine doesn't really have that much better specs than the ITs, and I'm running the latest version of OOo. This machine doesn't even play Youtube videos worth a flip, which my N800 does. So yeah, it's realistic to expect OOo to run on an IT. Mark ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: What is the best app to read .doc or .ppt files on N810
On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 12:06 PM, Gary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: YouTube's library of videos are encoded with codecs designed with mobile streaming in mind (VP6, Sorenson H.263, H.264, MPEG-4 ASP). An office suite UI built for years for a desktop OS is going to be non-trivial to re-engineer for the 800 x 480 Hildon UI. However, we eagerly await the testing of your DEBs if you'd like to get started on it; http://tools.openoffice.org/dev_docs/buildlinux.html#GetTheSourceCode I'm not saying it's impossible but it's certainly non-trivial. q.v. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StarOffice#History -Gary I'm not a developer, but I have programming experience and have already tried and the tools are just too user-unfriendly. Besides, it's already been done. There are screenshots here: http://qole.blogspot.com/2008/10/easy-debian-moves-to-extras-devel.html The fact that it's non-trivial to port is deliberate on Nokia's part, and is a direct result of the tablets and their OS not being truly open. The fundamental problem is Nokia's firm conviction that a proprietary version of Linux is both good and necessary. What needs to happen is for Nokia to make maemo compatible with Debian, not the other way around. It should have been the goal from the beginning. The last thing the world needs is yet another version of Linux that requires porting to make standard Linux applications work and results in a boatload of applications that only work on one miniscule family of machines. The bottom line is that if it requires porting, it's really not the same OS. Otherwise, a simple recompile for the target hardware is all that would be required. Additional work to port the already-armel Debian versions to maemo would be a waste of time and effort, since they are already working on Easy Debian. Clearly they were not ported, just recompiled. Mark ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: What is the best app to read .doc or .ppt files on N810
Mark wrote: Additional work to port the already-armel Debian versions to maemo would be a waste of time and effort, since they are already working on Easy Debian. Clearly they were not ported, just recompiled. You need 1.3 GB free on one of your memory cards (this includes the built-in 2GB on the N810), although after installing, you will only need 1 GB. You need to keep your expectations reasonable. Big desktop applications like OpenOffice and Firefox run slowly on the tablet. They are designed for big, power-hungry CPUs. The N8x0's processor is comparable to a Pentium II processor. Just imagine running these apps on your computer from the mid-90s (remember Windows 95?), and you'll get the idea. But sometimes, you really need something on the tablet that only these apps can provide, like MS Word compatibility or Java applets. http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21629 ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: What is the best app to read .doc or .ppt files on N810
On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 12:53 PM, Gary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mark wrote: Additional work to port the already-armel Debian versions to maemo would be a waste of time and effort, since they are already working on Easy Debian. Clearly they were not ported, just recompiled. You need 1.3 GB free on one of your memory cards (this includes the built-in 2GB on the N810), although after installing, you will only need 1 GB. You need to keep your expectations reasonable. Big desktop applications like OpenOffice and Firefox run slowly on the tablet. They are designed for big, power-hungry CPUs. The N8x0's processor is comparable to a Pentium II processor. Just imagine running these apps on your computer from the mid-90s (remember Windows 95?), and you'll get the idea. But sometimes, you really need something on the tablet that only these apps can provide, like MS Word compatibility or Java applets. http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21629 And...? The last sentence pretty much sums it up. The functionality of these apps isn't just nice, it's critical for many people, and since neither Nokia nor maemo cares, Easy Debian is a very acceptable option. If it works, it works. And my point about porting to maemo is valid: if porting involves removing features in order to lighten the load, then there's no point. Complete compatibility and functionality is necessary, and incomplete versions are more frustrating than useful. Mark ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: What is the best app to read .doc or .ppt files on N810
Mark wrote: I can use OOo, Firefox or Thunderbird on Linux or Windows without having to relearn anything or do without features, and even the menus are mostly identical. (The glaring exception is the location of preferences in Firefox - what's up with that, anyway?) Becuase they're not even the same code base. The Mozilla projects try to keep the look and feel consistent across all platforms but even the Mac and Linux application differ considerably. I've built Firefox from source on an old Sun Linux distro (the ill-fated Java desktop system). I could not do the same on OS X or Windows without a lot more work. As it is, I've only compiled small command line apps with Xcode's gcc as I've not endeavored to try anything for Aqua or even Xquartz. But Microsoft's dev tools are even more bloated than the apps they build with them. I know my way around Orca to customize my own MSIs but even those are so unnecessarily obscure and obnoxious that I dread the thought of actually compiling Win32 apps. I should quit before this turns in to a more in-depth thread about why I hate Microsoft, code bloat, and other entropic bureaucracies. -Gary ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: What is the best app to read .doc or .ppt files on N810
On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 3:32 PM, sebastian maemo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/11/14, COURTAUD Didier [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I receive frequenty such files my email on my tablet. How can I read them on the tablet ? You can convert DOC and PPT files to PDF with OpenOffice (from you Desktop). OpenOffice is free and available for GNU and Windows and more... Salut, Sebas. That's a good point, and there are actually lots of ways to convert documents to PDF, but that only allows you to read them on the tablet, not edit them. If all you need to do is read them, you can convert to PDF from any application by using one of the print to PDF utilities, some of which are free. PDFCreator (http://www.pdfforge.org/) is probably the best of those. However, the original question was was asking how to open documents attached to email on the tablet, which implies without the aid of another machine. I only know of two ways: 1) Install Easy Debian and use OOo on the tablet or 2) Use Google Docs, which can convert to PDF as well as open the Microsoft formats The former requires a large SD card and is probably very slow, the latter requires an active Internet connection and isn't as reliable in dealing with the formatting. YMMV, but I have yet to get Abiword to open anything other than its own proprietary format - even plain text or HTML files don't work. Mark ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: What is the best app to read .doc or .ppt files on N810
On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 1:46 PM, Gary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You need 1.3 GB free on one of your memory cards (this includes the built-in 2GB on the N810), although after installing, you will only need 1 GB. I happen to have an N800 and it didn't come with cards that big. It's like saying you need to buy a sidecar if you expect to carry groceries home on your motorcycle. Maemo is first and foremost an embedded distro. Don't expect to run huge apps on it any more than you should expect to serve 100+ wireless users on a $30 wireless AP running DD-WRT, etc. I bought two 8GB cards for my N800 when I got it in January. They have 32GB cards now, which are obviously still expensive, but you can get a 16GB card for under $50 if you shop around. I just bought three 2GB microSD cards for a grand total of $13 including shipping (for my mp3 player, which doesn't do SDHC). Storage space is hardly an issue, especially for N800s. And my point about porting to maemo is valid: if porting involves removing features in order to lighten the load, then there's no point. I wouldn't be surprised if your problem reading Microsoft docs is their file format and nothing to do with the app you're trying to open them in. Sigh... WordPerfect could acceptably import and work with Micro$oft formats already in the mid-1990s, and I have yet to see any problems whatsoever with OOo working with Microsoft-format documents as if they were native. WordPerfect's import wasn't perfect as to formatting, but at least you could grab the text. (This was WP version 7-9, prior to the turn of the millennium. WP went away for a while and I had gone to OOo before it returned, so I don't know anything about the current version.) The current version of Abiword can't even do that with only a single sentence of default-format text in a test file. Clearly, it *is* the app, and not the format... By the way, I recently found out that OOo also understands WordPerfect files as well, which was a pleasant surprise when I needed to access some of my really old documents. Most of the other OOo apps work about as well. The OOo Base database application is another story entirely, though, and is a long way from being a substitute for Access or another mature database. Mark ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: What is the best app to read .doc or .ppt files on N810
Mark wrote: I only know of two ways: 1) Install Easy Debian and use OOo on the tablet or 2) Use Google Docs, which can convert to PDF as well as open the Microsoft formats The former requires a large SD card and is probably very slow, the latter requires an active Internet connection and isn't as reliable in dealing with the formatting. YMMV, but I have yet to get Abiword to open anything other than its own proprietary format - even plain text or HTML files don't work. Not nitpicking, but trying to point to a possible resolution: you *do* need an active internet connection to receive your mail - so using Goo-Docs doesn't sound like you'd be going out of your way. Now to the fun part: depending on your setup (ISP etc.) you may very well automate the task of doc-pdf conversion and stick to email usage on your IT. Here's how (based on my personal experience and currently employed technique for spam filtering on my POP account which is not SPAM filtered by ISP): if you have some machine that is online 24/7 (or close to it) you could easily fetch your mail from that mailbox (either write your own program or use fetchmail/procmail stack on *nix using keep on server option) and post-process it using OpenOffice conversion (you can convert files on-the-fly from command line) forwarding resulting PDF back to your email. IT is not designed for heavy lifting, and it shouldn't do it, really. You can use OpenOffice to convert inbound docs to .txt if you want to edit them easily and don't care to lose fancy formatting. Granted that PalmOS devices have proprietary tools to open/edit MS docs but those are different beasts: they employ commercial software whose producer has access to MS resources and can build something workable without reverse-engineering it like OOo and AbiWord folks do. Maybe what you should be looking for is a producer of similar payed-for software for IT? P.S. better yet - if your ISP uses Zimbra for mail they could do PDF conversion on-the-fly server-side out-of-the-box :) P.P.S No I don't work for Zimbra... err... Yahoo ;) ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: What is the best app to read .doc or .ppt files on N810
Dmitry S. Makovey wrote: Not nitpicking, but trying to point to a possible resolution: you *do* need an active internet connection to receive your mail - so using Goo-Docs doesn't sound like you'd be going out of your way. ...Which is why I mention it. However, email on mobile devices often doesn't require a continuous connection - just transfer messages while you're at a hotspot, then do most of the work offline, then send receive again when you're at another hotspot. If you've downloaded messages that have attachments you can't open, you're out of luck if you're on a train or plane or otherwise without Internet access while you're using the device. Mark ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
