Re: [Mageia-dev] xserver-1.10
On 3 March 2011 23:58, Thierry Vignaud thierry.vign...@gmail.com wrote: I've tested it on radeon. Works OK. But I cannot upload to core/testing: [x11-server]$ mgarepo submit --define section=core/testing Submitting x11-server at revision 63783 URL: svn+ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/cauldron/x11-server Implicit target: cauldron No handlers could be found for logger mgarepo error: command failed: ssh pkgsubmit.mageia.org /usr/local/bin/submit_package -t cauldron --define sid=e0f6502c-dfb0-4e0e-9855-b1f7c0b0b1fe --define section=core/testing -r 63783 svn+ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/cauldron/x11-server error: Failed to upload svn+ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/cauldron/x11-server: Executing perl -I/usr/share/mdv-youri-core/lib -I/usr/share/mdv-youri-submit/lib /usr/share/mdv-youri-submit/bin/youri-submit --config /etc/youri/submit-todo.conf --define user=tv --define sid=e0f6502c-dfb0-4e0e-9855-b1f7c0b0b1fe --define section=core/testing cauldron /var/lib/schedbot/repsys/srpms/@63783:x11-server-1.10.0-1.mga1.src.rpm (sudo_user tv) FATAL youri: unknown section core/testing for target cauldron for arch src Initializing repository A /var/lib/schedbot/repsys/tmp/tmpCukHuN/SOURCES-bin mgarepo getsrpm isn't working too (using mgarepo-1.9.9-1.mga1): $ mgarepo getsrpm error: invalid arguments
Re: [Mageia-dev] Contributors using real name/working email? or not? or maybe?
Tux99 tux99-...@uridium.org schrieb am 2011-03-04 Forgot to add: the primary email address in the mageia-identity db should only be used for communication between mageia systems and the user, like bugtrack notifications, forum notifications, etc. It should not be displayed or made available to the public anywhere. Then we just kill all the efforts we made to have a single account for everything? I don't think so. After all: if you use an address in the mailing list, bugzilla etc. it is publicly displayed. So what's the matter of displaying the same adress in the changelog? I already said this before (https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia- sysadm/2011-March/002991.html) but you aparently weren't interested. Oliver
Re: [Mageia-dev] Contributors using real name/working email? or not? or maybe?
Quote: Oliver Burger wrote on Fri, 04 March 2011 12:30 Tux99 tux99-...@uridium.org schrieb am 2011-03-04 Forgot to add: the primary email address in the mageia-identity db should only be used for communication between mageia systems and the user, like bugtrack notifications, forum notifications, etc. It should not be displayed or made available to the public anywhere. Then we just kill all the efforts we made to have a single account for everything? I don't think so. I think you misunderstood me, I'm not talking about multiple accounts, just a second email address associated with the existing mageia account. After all: if you use an address in the mailing list, bugzilla etc. it is publicly displayed. So what's the matter of displaying the same adress in the changelog? I don't use the same email address on the ML as in my Mageia account (like I said I use separate email addresses for each purpose). I don't think I'm the only one here using a separate email addr for the MLs. AFAIK on bugzilla addresses are not publically displayed (they are only visible for logged in users which in my experience is enough to avoid email harvesters). -- Mageia ML Forum Gateway: http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/
Re: [Mageia-dev] Contributors using real name/working email? or not? or maybe?
2011/3/4 Tux99 tux99-...@uridium.org: Quote: Wolfgang Bornath wrote on Fri, 04 March 2011 13:13 Subscribing to lists hosted on Mageia is done with the mail address given in identity.mageia.org. Ok I see, I haven't subscribed to any of those yet so I didn't know that. But that's again IMHO not a good idea, we should be able to specify a separate email address for the MLs. Why? Don't you know how to use filters in your mail client? I guess you do know. I have an inbox for each mailing list, my mail client (actually google mail) stores each mail from all those lists in its own box. Of course everybody has his own way of working, I only wanted to show that you can have an ordered mail system without using different addresses in the same area of communication. -- wobo
Re: [Mageia-dev] Contributors using real name/working email? or not? or maybe?
2011/3/4 Tux99 tux99-...@uridium.org: Quote: Wolfgang Bornath wrote on Fri, 04 March 2011 13:36 Why? Don't you know how to use filters in your mail client? I guess you do know. I have an inbox for each mailing list, my mail client (actually google mail) stores each mail from all those lists in its own box. It has got nothing to do with inbox sorting, it's to be able to easily change and block off one email address when it ends up on some spam list, without affecting anything else. My experience of the last 3 years shows that the spam I get is very low. Spam escaping Google's spam filter is around 3-4 per week. Spam in Google's spam folder is between 15-25 per day, but that does not bother me anyway. Also I would not change mail addresses just because of spam. For excessive spam I'd rather use other means like a good spam filter and/or a tar pit or whatever. I'm not used to let spammers rule my mail system. -- wobo
Re: [Mageia-dev] Alpha2 iso content
2011/3/4 Anne nicolas enna...@gmail.com Hi there I'm working on next isos for alpha2. Here is content I have for now: http://pastebin.com/ekj2HVLq Please have a look an check what could be missing as important packages and we will see how we can deal with it Cheers -- Anne http://www.mageia.org Doesn't LibreOffice have translations?
Re: [Mageia-dev] Alpha2 iso content
2011/3/4 Marek Laane b...@smail.ee: 2011/3/4 Anne nicolas enna...@gmail.com Hi there I'm working on next isos for alpha2. Here is content I have for now: http://pastebin.com/ekj2HVLq Please have a look an check what could be missing as important packages and we will see how we can deal with it Cheers -- Anne http://www.mageia.org Doesn't LibreOffice have translations? Not build yet, should come soon -- Anne http://www.mageia.org
Re: [Mageia-dev] Contributors using real name/working email? or not? or maybe?
Quote: Wolfgang Bornath wrote on Fri, 04 March 2011 13:57 My experience of the last 3 years shows that the spam I get is very low. Spam escaping Google's spam filter is around 3-4 per week. Spam in Google's spam folder is between 15-25 per day, but that does not bother me anyway. Well if you are happy with that then that's great for you. Here are the stats of my mail server for a single week: 122 received 126 delivered 0 forwarded 4 deferred (7 deferrals) 0 bounced 51124 rejected (99%) rejected is practically all spam and is a simple SMTP reject of blocked or non-existent email addresses, not content based spam filtering. Also I would not change mail addresses just because of spam. Nobody is changing email addresses, read the yahoo link it's just variations of the same address, your basic address stays the same. excessive spam I'd rather use other means like a good spam filter and/or a tar pit or whatever. I'm not used to let spammers rule my mail system. Exactly, spam filters use up plenty cpu cycles (which is a problem when you run your own server), delay mails (when using greylisting) and therefore would rule the mail system as you say (not to mention having to deal with false positives or false negatives), using multiple addresses is dead easy and much less hassle once you understand the system and get used to it. I don't have a spam folder or spam filter at all, since I get maybe 1 or 2 spam emails a week with this system. Anyway I have no intention of converting or convincing you of anything, just accept that there are other ways to deal with email that are equally good, that other people use. -- Mageia ML Forum Gateway: http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/
Re: [Mageia-dev] Contributors using real name/working email? or not? or maybe?
2011/3/4 Tux99 tux99-...@uridium.org: Well if you are happy with that then that's great for you. Here are the stats of my mail server for a single week: 122 received 126 delivered 0 forwarded 4 deferred (7 deferrals) 0 bounced 51124 rejected (99%) rejected is practically all spam and is a simple SMTP reject of blocked or non-existent email addresses, not content based spam filtering. Well, you must have been to places :) Our mailserver (catering to @mandrivauser.de) does not show such figures. The percentage of our mailserver shows 56.16% accepted, 43.84 rejected. Of these accepted mails our spam filter shows 20% spam (average). Accordingly the server does not waste recognizable power on the mail system. Maybe with such a setup as yours and such results I may think about changing something, I'd not accept such a situation. Anyhow, this is going too far away from the real issue of this thread and besides it is not really taking us somewhere at all. -- wobo
[Mageia-dev] KDE Upgrade on the way
Hello, KDE 4.6.1 is on the way so please don't upgrade too fast :) Regards, -- Balcaen John
Re: [Mageia-dev] KDE Upgrade on the way
venerdì 4 marzo 2011 alle 16:12, Balcaen John ha scritto: Hello, KDE 4.6.1 is on the way so please don't upgrade too fast :) Are you going to build digikam and kipi 1.9.0 also? I can't until tonight. Thanks, Angelo signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [Mageia-dev] Alpha2 iso content
On Fri, 4 Mar 2011 14:21:08 +0100 Anne nicolas enna...@gmail.com wrote: Hi there I'm working on next isos for alpha2. Here is content I have for now: http://pastebin.com/ekj2HVLq Please have a look an check what could be missing as important packages and we will see how we can deal with it Since I don't know what important means ;-), I just took a quick look at what applications I sometimes/often use on my desktop machine. Missing: - a couple of plugins for claws-mail (claws-mail-rssyl-plugin, claws-mail-notification-plugin) - pidgin and its various plugins - mercurial (I like to install the latest from source myself, but still) - audacious and its various plugins - tomboy - wireshark Regards Antoine.
Re: [Mageia-dev] KDE Upgrade on the way
Le Friday 04 March 2011 12:17:17, Angelo Naselli a écrit : venerdì 4 marzo 2011 alle 16:12, Balcaen John ha scritto: Hello, KDE 4.6.1 is on the way so please don't upgrade too fast :) Are you going to build digikam and kipi 1.9.0 also? I can't until tonight. Yep, i was in fact waiting for 4.6.1 just to avoid a rebuild due to an eventually marble change. Both digikam kipi-plugins are waiting on svn for the moment. Maybe you can have a look on kipi-plugins spec :p i did some changes on it :D cf http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/kipi-plugins/current/SPECS/ :) -- Balcaen John
Re: [Mageia-dev] KDE Upgrade on the way
Any plans for adding digikam2, if not as default then for testing? We should decide if or not. Fwiw Mandriva won't ship it but after 2011 is out. The big issue is that we have to patch kdegraphics to get new libkipi co. There should be nothing hard in it but are we sure gwenview and other kipi-host applications are rebuildable and working correctly? We're in alpha phase so we can take the risk, but digikam 2.0.0 deadline is near ours. I'm open to discuss though... Angelo signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [Mageia-dev] KDE Upgrade on the way
venerdì 4 marzo 2011 alle 16:47, Balcaen John ha scritto: Le Friday 04 March 2011 12:17:17, Angelo Naselli a écrit : venerdì 4 marzo 2011 alle 16:12, Balcaen John ha scritto: Hello, KDE 4.6.1 is on the way so please don't upgrade too fast :) Are you going to build digikam and kipi 1.9.0 also? I can't until tonight. Yep, i was in fact waiting for 4.6.1 just to avoid a rebuild due to an eventually marble change. Both digikam kipi-plugins are waiting on svn for the moment. Thanks for all. Maybe you can have a look on kipi-plugins spec :p i did some changes on it :D cf http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/kipi-plugins/current/SPECS/ :) As said i will :) but you know i need my time :) Angelo signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [Mageia-dev] Alpha2 iso content
2011/3/4 Anne nicolas enna...@gmail.com: Please have a look an check what could be missing as important packages and we will see how we can deal with it may I suggest a backup tool ? Déjà Dup ?
Re: [Mageia-dev] Contributors using real name/working email? or not? or maybe?
On Fri, 04 Mar 2011, Maarten Vanraes wrote: Op vrijdag 04 maart 2011 05:50:23 schreef Anssi Hannula: On 04.03.2011 00:51, Maarten Vanraes wrote: Op donderdag 03 maart 2011 22:58:16 schreef nicolas vigier: On Thu, 03 Mar 2011, Maarten Vanraes wrote: Op donderdag 03 maart 2011 22:31:10 schreef Romain d'Alverny: On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 21:54, Frank Griffin f...@roadrunner.com wrote: Maarten Vanraes wrote: C. how about we make packagename@packages.mageia.org, which could use the maintainers database to forward the email to maintainers (in case of more) (this could also be a packagegroup. eg: fire...@packages.mageia.org could refer to maintainers of firefox, xulrunner, etc...) (this option might just be too complex) That is an elegant and excellent idea. Elegant, but as in a changelog, that means the email does not match/identify/link to the _person_ taking the step of actually committing/releasing the change, but the team in charge of managing the package. Is that wanted? Romain it depends, the nickname could still be kept; and we were talking about having multiple maintainers in the future? Except that changelog is not for listing maintainers, but the persons who did some changes. but changelog is for committing, not submitting? isn't this a totally different thing? I don't understand what you mean. Changelog is a log of changes made to the package. afaik changelog is compiled from svn commit messages? i don't really understand how the submit could have an effect on changelog? Who said submit has an effect on changelog ? Why are you talking about submit ?
Re: [Mageia-dev] Alpha2 iso content
Op vrijdag 04 maart 2011 16:20:24 schreef Dj Marian: Hi, What about abiword, epdf, poedit, pidgin and audacity? Dan. Hi there I'm working on next isos for alpha2. Here is content I have for now: http://pastebin.com/ekj2HVLq Please have a look an check what could be missing as important packages and we will see how we can deal with it Cheers i use pidgin too but i would also like a smaller iso, if possible
Re: [Mageia-dev] Alpha2 iso content
Op vrijdag 04 maart 2011 14:21:08 schreef Anne nicolas: Hi there I'm working on next isos for alpha2. Here is content I have for now: http://pastebin.com/ekj2HVLq Please have a look an check what could be missing as important packages and we will see how we can deal with it Cheers it looks like a big iso again; could it be possible to also have a more minimal iso? or is that hard/alot of work? in fact, most of the packages we could get later from the mirrors...
Re: [Mageia-dev] Contributors using real name/working email? or not? or maybe?
On Thu, 03 Mar 2011, andre999 wrote: Frank Griffin a écrit : Romain d'Alverny wrote: On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 21:54, Frank Griffinf...@roadrunner.com wrote: Maarten Vanraes wrote: C. how about we makepackagename@packages.mageia.org, which could use the maintainers database to forward the email to maintainers (in case of more) (this could also be a packagegroup. eg: fire...@packages.mageia.org could refer to maintainers of firefox, xulrunner, etc...) (this option might just be too complex) That is an elegant and excellent idea. Elegant, but as in a changelog, that means the email does not match/identify/link to the _person_ taking the step of actually committing/releasing the change, but the team in charge of managing the package. Is that wanted? Is it possible to have the changelog display something more unique than the group email address for ID purposes, but the email address for communication purposes ? Exactly. The id part is to identify the person who did the changes. It could be the pseudo at Mageia or the real name. (Or even a fake name, as far as I'm concerned.) The email adresse is for contact for support, and I find the packagename@packages.mageia.org idea elegant as well. The email address in the changelog is not a contact for support. It's the contact of the person who did the change. So for me it does not make sense to use something else than the email of the person who did the change, something like lo...@mageia.org.
Re: [Mageia-dev] Contributors using real name/working email? or not? or maybe?
Op vrijdag 04 maart 2011 19:01:09 schreef nicolas vigier: On Fri, 04 Mar 2011, Maarten Vanraes wrote: Op vrijdag 04 maart 2011 05:50:23 schreef Anssi Hannula: On 04.03.2011 00:51, Maarten Vanraes wrote: Op donderdag 03 maart 2011 22:58:16 schreef nicolas vigier: On Thu, 03 Mar 2011, Maarten Vanraes wrote: Op donderdag 03 maart 2011 22:31:10 schreef Romain d'Alverny: On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 21:54, Frank Griffin f...@roadrunner.com wrote: Maarten Vanraes wrote: C. how about we make packagename@packages.mageia.org, which could use the maintainers database to forward the email to maintainers (in case of more) (this could also be a packagegroup. eg: fire...@packages.mageia.org could refer to maintainers of firefox, xulrunner, etc...) (this option might just be too complex) That is an elegant and excellent idea. Elegant, but as in a changelog, that means the email does not match/identify/link to the _person_ taking the step of actually committing/releasing the change, but the team in charge of managing the package. Is that wanted? Romain it depends, the nickname could still be kept; and we were talking about having multiple maintainers in the future? Except that changelog is not for listing maintainers, but the persons who did some changes. but changelog is for committing, not submitting? isn't this a totally different thing? I don't understand what you mean. Changelog is a log of changes made to the package. afaik changelog is compiled from svn commit messages? i don't really understand how the submit could have an effect on changelog? Who said submit has an effect on changelog ? Why are you talking about submit ? to be honest, i reread this thread a few times, and i have no idea... i clarified my point, but i donno why i was making such a point in the first place, cause it doesn't seem to make any sense...
Re: [Mageia-dev] Contributors using real name/working email? or not? or maybe?
Quote: Wolfgang Bornath wrote on Fri, 04 March 2011 15:49 Our mailserver (catering to @mandrivauser.de) does not show such figures. The percentage of our mailserver shows 56.16% accepted, 43.84 rejected. Of these accepted mails our spam filter shows 20% spam (average). Accordingly the server does not waste recognizable power on the mail system. Maybe with such a setup as yours and such results I may think about changing something, I'd not accept such a situation. Wobo you completely missread the situation, it's your server setup that could still be improved since yours is still accepting spam (which then has to be filtered out at a higher cpu cost later on), my server is rejecting pratically all spam at the initial SMTP stage, there is nothing more efficient than that. Anyway like you said this is OT here, if you want mail me privately to continue this. -- Mageia ML Forum Gateway: http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/
Re: [Mageia-dev] Contributors using real name/working email? or not? or maybe?
Quote: Maarten Vanraes wrote on Fri, 04 March 2011 19:15 to be honest, i reread this thread a few times, and i have no idea... i clarified my point, but i donno why i was making such a point in the first place, cause it doesn't seem to make any sense... Hmmm, it's Friday evening, I guess the beer is starting to kick in ;)) -- Mageia ML Forum Gateway: http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/
Re: [Mageia-dev] Alpha2 iso content
2011/3/4 Maarten Vanraes maarten.vanr...@gmail.com: it looks like a big iso again; could it be possible to also have a more minimal iso? or is that hard/alot of work? in fact, most of the packages we could get later from the mirrors... Well, my favourite solution would be 2 ISOs anyway: - a large ISO - a minimal boot ISO for installation via ftp (especially for the alpha/beta versions). -- wobo
Re: [Mageia-dev] Contributors using real name/working email? or not? or maybe?
Op vrijdag 04 maart 2011 19:23:51 schreef Tux99: Quote: Maarten Vanraes wrote on Fri, 04 March 2011 19:15 to be honest, i reread this thread a few times, and i have no idea... i clarified my point, but i donno why i was making such a point in the first place, cause it doesn't seem to make any sense... Hmmm, it's Friday evening, I guess the beer is starting to kick in ;)) the original comment was from thursday night, iinm, possibly just too late.
Re: [Mageia-dev] Contributors using real name/working email? or not? or maybe?
2011/3/4 Maarten Vanraes maarten.vanr...@gmail.com: Op vrijdag 04 maart 2011 19:23:51 schreef Tux99: Quote: Maarten Vanraes wrote on Fri, 04 March 2011 19:15 to be honest, i reread this thread a few times, and i have no idea... i clarified my point, but i donno why i was making such a point in the first place, cause it doesn't seem to make any sense... Hmmm, it's Friday evening, I guess the beer is starting to kick in ;)) the original comment was from thursday night, iinm, possibly just too late. I do not know any place where drinking beer is not allowed on Thursdays but allowed for Fridays - especially not Belgium! :) -- wobo
[Mageia-dev] updater applet
I don't know if this has been though of by others, but i was thinking we should have an updater applet, with 2 purposes: - updating mageia - upgrading from mandriva to mageia I'm not sure if this is wanted or not, but IMHO it would be nice to have our applet built for mdv, so people can A) install it from our website or B) perhaps we can submit it to mandriva as well? :-D
Re: [Mageia-dev] Alpha2 iso content
2011/3/4 Maarten Vanraes maarten.vanr...@gmail.com: if you have the boot.iso, you still have to have your own mirror (which takes a lot of bandwidth too). Why's that? I select installation via FTP and connect to the next Mageia mirror, no? -- wobo
Re: [Mageia-dev] Alpha2 iso content
Op vrijdag 04 maart 2011 19:44:37 schreef Wolfgang Bornath: 2011/3/4 Maarten Vanraes maarten.vanr...@gmail.com: if you have the boot.iso, you still have to have your own mirror (which takes a lot of bandwidth too). Why's that? I select installation via FTP and connect to the next Mageia mirror, no? installation via non-local FTP takes a very long time to do... a lot longer then iso install or installing from local rsync perhaps you are blessed with an extremely fast regional mageia mirror that will is not over capacity? also during alpha release, there were people who had to wait quite a while to get the iso.
Re: [Mageia-dev] Alpha2 iso content
fre 2011-03-04 klockan 20:30 +0200 skrev Wolfgang Bornath: 2011/3/4 Maarten Vanraes maarten.vanr...@gmail.com: it looks like a big iso again; could it be possible to also have a more minimal iso? or is that hard/alot of work? in fact, most of the packages we could get later from the mirrors... Well, my favourite solution would be 2 ISOs anyway: - a large ISO - a minimal boot ISO for installation via ftp (especially for the alpha/beta versions). The minimal boot.iso is already available, as it always have been (also in mdv) check $arch/install/images/boot.iso on your favorite mirror. And it gets updated after every kernel release. -- Thomas
Re: [Mageia-dev] Contributors using real name/working email? or not? or maybe?
Op vrijdag 04 maart 2011 19:41:59 schreef Wolfgang Bornath: 2011/3/4 Maarten Vanraes maarten.vanr...@gmail.com: Op vrijdag 04 maart 2011 19:23:51 schreef Tux99: Quote: Maarten Vanraes wrote on Fri, 04 March 2011 19:15 to be honest, i reread this thread a few times, and i have no idea... i clarified my point, but i donno why i was making such a point in the first place, cause it doesn't seem to make any sense... Hmmm, it's Friday evening, I guess the beer is starting to kick in ;)) the original comment was from thursday night, iinm, possibly just too late. I do not know any place where drinking beer is not allowed on Thursdays but allowed for Fridays - especially not Belgium! :) well, maybe some belgians don't drink any beer... :-)
Re: [Mageia-dev] Alpha2 iso content
2011/3/4 Maarten Vanraes maarten.vanr...@gmail.com: installation via non-local FTP takes a very long time to do... a lot longer then iso install or installing from local rsync Well, this has been a discussion at all times as it depends on what you want to install. If you want to install a small system you may be better off with an ftp installation than downloading a large ISO from the same server as you use for installation. So, as I said, I'd like to have both for choice. tmb wrote: The minimal boot.iso is already available Yes, I know and I already tested it :) -- wobo
Re: [Mageia-dev] Contributors using real name/working email? or not? or maybe?
2011/3/4 Maarten Vanraes maarten.vanr...@gmail.com: well, maybe some belgians don't drink any beer... :-) Well, I have lots of witnesses that you do not belong to this very small group! Sorry for the OT! -- wobo
Re: [Mageia-dev] xserver-1.10
On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 8:59 AM, Thierry Vignaud thierry.vign...@gmail.com wrote: On 3 March 2011 23:58, Thierry Vignaud thierry.vign...@gmail.com wrote: I've tested it on radeon. Works OK. thierry do you plan to update mesa too ?
Re: [Mageia-dev] xserver-1.10
fre 2011-03-04 klockan 22:05 +0200 skrev Dexter Morgan: On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 8:58 PM, Thomas Backlund t...@iki.fi wrote: fre 2011-03-04 klockan 21:46 +0200 skrev Thierry Vignaud: On 4 March 2011 20:33, Dexter Morgan dmorga...@gmail.com wrote: I've tested it on radeon. Works OK. thierry do you plan to update mesa too ? Not for now. Hopefully mesa x11 are somewhat decoupled now. I want first to get xserver-1.10 to work smoothly. You can find packages rebuild against xserver-1.10 (for both mdv mga) here (warning: I 'ven't bumped %release): http://kenobi.mandriva.com/~tv/x110/ Why not core/testing as planned ? -- Thomas it seems that there is a pb to puhs on core/testing for the moment. boklm, can you please look why ? so we will be able to test this new X11 tks I'll check it out -- Thomas
Re: [Mageia-dev] xserver-1.10
fre 2011-03-04 klockan 22:18 +0200 skrev Thomas Backlund: fre 2011-03-04 klockan 22:05 +0200 skrev Dexter Morgan: On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 8:58 PM, Thomas Backlund t...@iki.fi wrote: fre 2011-03-04 klockan 21:46 +0200 skrev Thierry Vignaud: On 4 March 2011 20:33, Dexter Morgan dmorga...@gmail.com wrote: I've tested it on radeon. Works OK. thierry do you plan to update mesa too ? Not for now. Hopefully mesa x11 are somewhat decoupled now. I want first to get xserver-1.10 to work smoothly. You can find packages rebuild against xserver-1.10 (for both mdv mga) here (warning: I 'ven't bumped %release): http://kenobi.mandriva.com/~tv/x110/ Why not core/testing as planned ? -- Thomas it seems that there is a pb to puhs on core/testing for the moment. boklm, can you please look why ? so we will be able to test this new X11 tks I'll check it out There is no bug, only submission error :) the media is core/updates_testing, not core/testing So Thierry, feel free to resubmit to the BS ... -- Thomas
Re: [Mageia-dev] [Mageia-discuss] KDE Upgrade on the way
Le Friday 04 March 2011 12:12:17, Balcaen John a écrit : Hello, KDE 4.6.1 is on the way so please don't upgrade too fast :) Ok, KDE 4.6.1 is now build is on the way on various mirror. The only missing part are kde-l10n but they should be available soon (currently building) I'll push also digikam kipi-plugins. Regards, -- Balcaen John
Re: [Mageia-dev] xserver-1.10
On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 9:49 PM, Thierry Vignaud thierry.vign...@gmail.com wrote: On 4 March 2011 21:26, Thomas Backlund t...@iki.fi wrote: You can find packages rebuild against xserver-1.10 (for both mdv mga) here (warning: I 'ven't bumped %release): http://kenobi.mandriva.com/~tv/x110/ Why not core/testing as planned ? it seems that there is a pb to puhs on core/testing for the moment. boklm, can you please look why ? so we will be able to test this new X11 tks I'll check it out There is no bug, only submission error :) the media is core/updates_testing, not core/testing Well, I pasted output of mageia --help... I would have fixed but: [tv@julihasoig mgarepo]$ svn di Index: MgaRepo/commands/submit.py === --- MgaRepo/commands/submit.py (révision 629) +++ MgaRepo/commands/submit.py (copie de travail) @@ -54,7 +54,7 @@ mgarepo submit https://repos/svn/mga/cauldron/foo mgarepo submit -l https://repos mgarepo submit 1/my-packages@11011 - mgarepo submit --define section=core/testing -t 1 + mgarepo submit --define section=core/updates_testing -t 1 DEFAULT_TARGET = Cooker [tv@julihasoig mgarepo]$ svn ci -m 'fix example in usage message' svn: Commit failed (details follow): svn: Authorization failed Can you enhance my commit powers :-) ? So Thierry, feel free to resubmit to the BS ... Will do you should be allowed to commit. are you sure you didn't done an anonymous checkout ?
Re: [Mageia-dev] updater applet
Op vrijdag 04 maart 2011 21:01:02 schreef Ahmad Samir: On 4 March 2011 20:43, Maarten Vanraes maarten.vanr...@gmail.com wrote: I don't know if this has been though of by others, but i was thinking we should have an updater applet, with 2 purposes: - updating mageia - upgrading from mandriva to mageia I'm not sure if this is wanted or not, but IMHO it would be nice to have our applet built for mdv, so people can A) install it from our website or B) perhaps we can submit it to mandriva as well? :-D mdkonline is planned to be added to the repos once it's been cleaned, IIUC. right, well, i just thought i'd be good if we had it, so we could use it for mdv upgrade testing (if we could build it for mdv). is anyone really cleaning mdkonline? or is that not a priority now?
Re: [Mageia-dev] Alpha2 iso content
2011/3/4 Maarten Vanraes maarten.vanr...@gmail.com: Op vrijdag 04 maart 2011 20:19:01 schreef Anne nicolas: 2011/3/4 Wolfgang Bornath molc...@googlemail.com: 2011/3/4 Maarten Vanraes maarten.vanr...@gmail.com: installation via non-local FTP takes a very long time to do... a lot longer then iso install or installing from local rsync Well, this has been a discussion at all times as it depends on what you want to install. If you want to install a small system you may be better off with an ftp installation than downloading a large ISO from the same server as you use for installation. So, as I said, I'd like to have both for choice. tmb wrote: The minimal boot.iso is already available Yes, I know and I already tested it :) Also as stated already we will have dual arch iso which is 32 / 64 bits iso (700Mo) I'm aware of that, i was just talking about the alpha2, if it'd be smaller, it'd be faster to be tested on, that is all. I will not make isos specifically for alpha... The sooner we test full list of packages the better it is. If you need smaller iso then use boot.iso or dual -- Anne http://www.mageia.org
Re: [Mageia-dev] Alpha2 iso content
Op vrijdag 04 maart 2011 22:17:10 schreef Anne nicolas: 2011/3/4 Maarten Vanraes maarten.vanr...@gmail.com: Op vrijdag 04 maart 2011 20:19:01 schreef Anne nicolas: 2011/3/4 Wolfgang Bornath molc...@googlemail.com: 2011/3/4 Maarten Vanraes maarten.vanr...@gmail.com: installation via non-local FTP takes a very long time to do... a lot longer then iso install or installing from local rsync Well, this has been a discussion at all times as it depends on what you want to install. If you want to install a small system you may be better off with an ftp installation than downloading a large ISO from the same server as you use for installation. So, as I said, I'd like to have both for choice. tmb wrote: The minimal boot.iso is already available Yes, I know and I already tested it :) Also as stated already we will have dual arch iso which is 32 / 64 bits iso (700Mo) I'm aware of that, i was just talking about the alpha2, if it'd be smaller, it'd be faster to be tested on, that is all. I will not make isos specifically for alpha... The sooner we test full list of packages the better it is. If you need smaller iso then use boot.iso or dual ok, i did say if it was too much trouble we shouldn't do it.
Re: [Mageia-dev] Alpha2 iso content
Please add: btfrs-progs And then there is the question of firmwares in nonfree I guess we need to add them so people can get network access. -- Thomas
[Mageia-dev] Rpmlint configuration, false positives
Hi, so as done before on another time and land, I have pushed a rpmlint specific policy for Mageia, aptly named 'rpmlint-mageia-policy ( maybe rpmlint-policy-mageia would be better, not sure ). For those that do not know, rpmlint is a tool to check a rpm against a list of rules written in python, that is used on Fedora, Mandriva, opensuse and likely others too. The tool is used on upload to refuse some rpms based on this rules, and should be used by people to check rpms, to make sure that no obvious errors is still there. However, this is not a perfect tool, and it can still give false positives, so people should not use without understanding errors. But we can filter and configure it to be a little more perfect. In a rather autocratic fashion, as the maintainer of rpmlint ( both packages and uptream ), as a packager representative, and as a apprentice dictator ( since there is lots of open position in this sector since a few weeks ), I propose that this become the canonical source for rpmlint configuration. In practice, that mean that false positives will have to be added there, that stuff that are noted as errors need to be set in that package, and any policy changes must be made there. So the question is how do we deal with evolution ( ie, how do we decide something is now a error, or no longer one. Traditionally, packagers didn't care at all, and so the configuration bitrotted since a long time, and people didn't used it, and I just added false positives when packagers notified it ( ie, almost never, except when I noticed some of them ). I suspect that my lack of communication around that didn't help ( and so people didn't knew they could ask for adding a false positive to the list of error to ignore ). Yet, I think we can do better, so feel free to suggest any mad idea for this. -- Michael Scherer
Re: [Mageia-dev] Alpha2 iso content
Le vendredi 4 mars 2011 16:49:00, Balcaen John a écrit : Le Friday 04 March 2011 12:24:39, Pierre Jarillon a écrit : kmplayer is missing (was in alpha 1). dragon player, the default player don't works : white screen. It's certainly due to missing gstreamer plugins not to dragon player itself give a try for example to phonon-vlc backend :) I have some samples of sounds and videos on http://pjarillon.free.fr/docs/demos/ $ rpm -qa *gstreamer* lib64gstreamer0.10_0.10-0.10.32-1.mga1 gstreamer0.10-flac-0.10.27-3.mga1 lib64gstreamer-plugins-base0.10-0.10.32-1.mga1 phonon-gstreamer-4.4.4-1.mga1 gstreamer0.10-plugins-good-0.10.27-3.mga1 gstreamer0.10-pulse-0.10.27-3.mga1 gstreamer0.10-mpeg-0.10.16-3.mga1 gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg-0.10.11-3.mga1 gstreamer0.10-tools-0.10.32-1.mga1 gstreamer0.10-plugins-base-0.10.32-1.mga1 gstreamer0.10-cdio-0.10.16-3.mga1 gstreamer0.10-cdparanoia-0.10.32-1.mga1 $ dragon marmotte1.mpg (dragon:25500): GStreamer-CRITICAL **: gst_debug_add_log_function: assertion `func != NULL' failed dragonplayer(25500)/kdeui (kdelibs): Attempt to use QAction aspect_ratio_menu with KXMLGUIFactory! dragonplayer(25500)/kdeui (kdelibs): Attempt to use QAction audio_channels_menu with KXMLGUIFactory! dragonplayer(25500)/kdeui (kdelibs): Attempt to use QAction subtitle_channels_menu with KXMLGUIFactory! -- Pierre Jarillon - http://pjarillon.free.fr/ Vice-président de l'ABUL : http://abul.org/ Microsoft est à l'informatique ce que McDonald est à la gastronomie.
Re: [Mageia-dev] Alpha2 iso content
Le Friday 04 March 2011 20:57:04, Pierre Jarillon a écrit : Le vendredi 4 mars 2011 16:49:00, Balcaen John a écrit : Le Friday 04 March 2011 12:24:39, Pierre Jarillon a écrit : kmplayer is missing (was in alpha 1). dragon player, the default player don't works : white screen. It's certainly due to missing gstreamer plugins not to dragon player itself give a try for example to phonon-vlc backend :) I have some samples of sounds and videos on http://pjarillon.free.fr/docs/demos/ [...] It's working with your sample here, but i have a little more gstreamer codecs :) mikala@hatmehyt [~] % rpm -qa |grep gstreamer gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg-0.10.11-3.mga1 gstreamer0.10-voip-0.10.21-2.mga1 lib64gstreamer-plugins-base0.10-devel-0.10.32-1.mga1 gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad-0.10.21-2.mga1 lib64gstreamer-plugins-base0.10-0.10.32-1.mga1 gstreamer0.10-mpeg-0.10.16-3.mga1 gstreamer0.10-plugins-base-0.10.32-1.mga1 gstreamer0.10-plugins-good-0.10.27-3.mga1 gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly-0.10.16-3.mga1 gstreamer0.10-ladspa-0.10.21-2.mga1 gstreamer0.10-soup-0.10.27-3.mga1 phonon-gstreamer-4.4.4-1.mga1 lib64gstreamer0.10-devel-0.10.32-1.mga1 gstreamer0.10-wavpack-0.10.27-3.mga1 lib64qt-gstreamer0-0.10.1-1.mga1 gstreamer0.10-pulse-0.10.27-3.mga1 lib64gstreamer0.10_0.10-0.10.32-1.mga1 gstreamer0.10-cdparanoia-0.10.32-1.mga1 gstreamer0.10-vp8-0.10.21-2.mga1 gstreamer0.10-flac-0.10.27-3.mga1 gstreamer0.10-farsight2-0.0.22-2.mga1 lib64qt-gstreamer-devel-0.10.1-1.mga1 gstreamer0.10-musepack-0.10.21-2.mga1 gstreamer0.10-tools-0.10.32-1.mga1 gstreamer0.10-speex-0.10.27-3.mga1 gstreamer0.10-schroedinger-0.10.21-2.mga1 mikala@hatmehyt [~/Téléchargements] % dragon marmotte1.mpg (dragon:3381): GStreamer-CRITICAL **: gst_debug_add_log_function: assertion `func != NULL' failed dragonplayer(3381)/kdeui (kdelibs): Attempt to use QAction aspect_ratio_menu with KXMLGUIFactory! dragonplayer(3381)/kdeui (kdelibs): Attempt to use QAction audio_channels_menu with KXMLGUIFactory! dragonplayer(3381)/kdeui (kdelibs): Attempt to use QAction subtitle_channels_menu with KXMLGUIFactory! -- Balcaen John
Re: [Mageia-dev] Alpha2 iso content
在 Fri, 04 Mar 2011 21:21:08 +0800, Anne nicolas enna...@gmail.com寫道: Hi there I'm working on next isos for alpha2. Here is content I have for now: http://pastebin.com/ekj2HVLq Please have a look an check what could be missing as important packages and we will see how we can deal with it Cheers With mplayer, I suggest adding smplayer into the list? It's the most common mplayer front end, and way better than other mplayer based program.
Re: [Mageia-dev] Contributors using real name/working email? or not? or maybe?
nicolas vigier a écrit : On Thu, 03 Mar 2011, andre999 wrote: Frank Griffin a écrit : Romain d'Alverny wrote: On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 21:54, Frank Griffinf...@roadrunner.com wrote: Maarten Vanraes wrote: C. how about we makepackagename@packages.mageia.org, which could use the maintainers database to forward the email to maintainers (in case of more) (this could also be a packagegroup. eg: fire...@packages.mageia.org could refer to maintainers of firefox, xulrunner, etc...) (this option might just be too complex) That is an elegant and excellent idea. Elegant, but as in a changelog, that means the email does not match/identify/link to the _person_ taking the step of actually committing/releasing the change, but the team in charge of managing the package. Is that wanted? Is it possible to have the changelog display something more unique than the group email address for ID purposes, but the email address for communication purposes ? Exactly. The id part is to identify the person who did the changes. It could be the pseudo at Mageia or the real name. (Or even a fake name, as far as I'm concerned.) The email adresse is for contact for support, and I find the packagename@packages.mageia.org idea elegant as well. The email address in the changelog is not a contact for support. It's the contact of the person who did the change. So for me it does not make sense to use something else than the email of the person who did the change, something like lo...@mageia.org. Makes sense. Like wobo suggested in another post, it is most likely a fellow packager or developer who would be making the contact, wanting to better understand the details/rationelle of the change. So I would probably like to put : pseudo + pse...@mageia.org (where pseudo is my login) -- André
Re: [Mageia-dev] Contributors using real name/working email? or not? or maybe?
Wolfgang Bornath a écrit : 2011/3/4 Tux99tux99-...@uridium.org: Quote: Wolfgang Bornath wrote on Fri, 04 March 2011 13:36 Why? Don't you know how to use filters in your mail client? I guess you do know. I have an inbox for each mailing list, my mail client (actually google mail) stores each mail from all those lists in its own box. It has got nothing to do with inbox sorting, it's to be able to easily change and block off one email address when it ends up on some spam list, without affecting anything else. My experience of the last 3 years shows that the spam I get is very low. Spam escaping Google's spam filter is around 3-4 per week. Spam in Google's spam folder is between 15-25 per day, but that does not bother me anyway. Also I would not change mail addresses just because of spam. For excessive spam I'd rather use other means like a good spam filter and/or a tar pit or whatever. I'm not used to let spammers rule my mail system. Personally I consider 25 spams/day too high, and last year I changed one account (and not an alternate identity of an account) when I started getting about 50 spams/day. Since I use separate accounts for different purposes, the changes of adresse I had to do were manageable. Now I'm back to the usual not more than 1 or 2 spams/day per account. That's my way of not letting spammers rule my system. Of course, it all depends on personal preferences and circumstances. -- André
Re: [Mageia-dev] xserver-1.10
On 4 March 2011 22:04, Dexter Morgan dmorga...@gmail.com wrote: Can you enhance my commit powers :-) ? So Thierry, feel free to resubmit to the BS ... Will do you should be allowed to commit. are you sure you didn't done an anonymous checkout ? grbmlmflmflld :-(
Re: [Mageia-dev] Contributors using real name/working email? or not? or maybe?
On Thursday, 3 March 2011 22:43:25 Maarten Vanraes wrote: I think we need to have a name and email address. however, some options: A. possibly cn could be editable in identity Please stop referring to possibilities that exist as if they don't ... it is depressing that people keep assuming things don't work, when one has put effort into making them work ... (IOW, if users should *not* be able to edit cn, then there is one configuration entry to edit) == this will allow people to fill in what they want, be it full name, nickname, or full name AND nickname cn could then be used as the name field That is the current situation, at least in bugzilla, and should be in forum. B. an email address is required IMHO, and preferably a @mageia.org email address however, if people wouldn't want to have their email address listed, an extra option is this: C. how about we make packagename@packages.mageia.org, which could use the maintainers database to forward the email to maintainers (in case of more) (this could also be a packagegroup. eg: fire...@packages.mageia.org could refer to maintainers of firefox, xulrunner, etc...) (this option might just be too complex) /me notes that this might be easier done in LDAP, as a postfix alias map. Which begs the question ... should the maintainer database be in LDAP instead? (BTW., I was thinking along the lines of package groups, with multi-valued attribute for package name and maintainer. e.g.: dn: cn=firefoxteam,ou=Packages,dc=mageia,dc=org objectClass: mageiaPackageGroup cn: firefox-team mail: fire...@packages.mageia.org mageiaPackage: firefox mageiaPackage: firefox-en_gb mageiaPackage: firefox-ext-firebug mageiaMaintainer: f...@mageia.org mageiaMaintainer: b...@mageia.org owner: uid=xxx,ou=People,dc=mageia,dc=org D. if people really want to use their own personal email address, perhaps one can be opted-in to use that one. (but this should be decided in a policy and be strict on it either YES/NO) Per-user options are difficult to administer, I would prefer the same behaviour for everyone, and the choice to provide data at the user's discretion. E.g., the current situation, where contributors are requested to provide real givenName,sn, but are free to use whatever cn they prefer, and all external tools use cn. sn and givenName are only used for account/identity validation, legal requirements etc. and all uses of the data must respect privacy policy. personally, i like: A, B, C, but vote NO for D. i would like to use AL13N al...@mageia.org being used. my real name is kind of not linked the the email address. Well, I haven't seen any authoritative statement on whether all contributors will have @mageia.org aliases, and some work needs to be done for this if it will be provided. Regards, Buchan
