Re: [Mailman-Users] Retrieving member list

[Mark Sapiro]

Greg Wilkinson wrote:
>
>I am a list administrator but I am not a member of the list.  The list 
>viewing option is set to all members.  When I send the email command 
>"who " to the list, it is rejected with the "You are not 
>allowed to retrieve the list membership." error message.  One would 
>think the list administrator would have access to the list whether on 
>the list or not.


Yes, that's true, and you can, but when the roster is restricted to
'members' you must supply a member address. This is probably a bug,
but you can get the email list as admin in this case with

  who  address=

You can also get the same list at

  http://example.com/mailman/roster/listname

or whatever that looks like in your installation, but neither of these
lists contains 'hidden' members.

See

for ways to get the full list.

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[Mailman-Users] Retrieving member list

[Greg Wilkinson]

There are many messages on this topic, however I haven't found the 
answer to my particular situation. 

I am a list administrator but I am not a member of the list.  The list 
viewing option is set to all members.  When I send the email command 
"who " to the list, it is rejected with the "You are not 
allowed to retrieve the list membership." error message.  One would 
think the list administrator would have access to the list whether on 
the list or not.

What would I need to do to retrieve the list as administrator?

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[Mailman-Users] problem tracking down discard reason

[Stephen J. Turnbull]

Ron Brogden writes:

 > The administrator gets a discard notice but there is no mention of 
 > specifically why the message was discarded.  Is there any option anyone is 
 > aware of to make logging of discards more verbose?

Unlike the Hold exception, the Discard exception contains no
information about why it was raised.  As a workaround you can go
through your filters and change them to Hold instead of Discard.
Mailman will never discard anything unless the administrator has
authorized it.

Personally, I never use an automatic discard until I have several
thousand messages experience with the rule with no false positives.

 > Is there any attribute that I can use with the msg.get method (or any other 
 > method for that matter) to add in a note as to why the message was actually 
 > discarded?

I don't think so, for the reason given above.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Unable to access Mailman cgi's via Web Server

[Mark Sapiro]

James Farren wrote:
>
>If not running under SuExec, how it is supposed to run on Name Based Virtual
>Host -apache2 based machine?


Since User and Group don't work in this environment, either configure
Mailman's CGI wrappers to expect the group that Apache runs them as
without SuExec, or follow some of the references that I provided or
see the FAQ at

and make SuExec work.

If you do the latter and find the FAQ lacking, please update it.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] problem tracking down discard reason

[Mark Sapiro]

Ron Brogden wrote:

>Hello.  I have a list admin who is attempting to legitimately post to a 
>Mailman list (version 2.1.9) but Mailman is discarding the message:
>
>Dec 18 12:42:42 2006 (168) Message discarded, msgid: 
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>Is there any option anyone is 
>aware of to make logging of discards more verbose?  


No. For a list of possible sources of the discard, see



>Looking in the code, the discard error appears to get logged here:
>
>Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py (line 163)
>
>except Errors.DiscardMessage:
># Throw the message away; we need do nothing else with it.
>syslog('vette', 'Message discarded, msgid: %s',
>   msg.get('message-id', 'n/a'))
>return 0
>
>Is there any attribute that I can use with the msg.get method (or any other 
>method for that matter) to add in a note as to why the message was actually 
>discarded?


The Handlers that raise DiscardMessage don't provide a reason, and
there's not much help in the message or metadata.

The easiest thing for you to do would be to add the Handler to the
message. Then, it would be fairly simple to narrow things down
although it still isn't definitive as both header_filter_rules and
mm_cfg.KNOWN_SPAMMERS are processed by SpamDetect and Moderate can
discard a message from a moderated member with
member_moderation_action of discard, or a non-member in
discard_these_nonmembers or a non-member with generic_nonmember_action
of discard, but at least this will narrow it down.

In the above code in IncommingRunner, change

syslog('vette', 'Message discarded, msgid: %s',
   msg.get('message-id', 'n/a'))

to

syslog('vette', 'Message discarded by %s, msgid: %s',
   handler, msg.get('message-id', 'n/a'))

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[Mailman-Users] problem tracking down discard reason

[Ron Brogden]

Hello.  I have a list admin who is attempting to legitimately post to a 
Mailman list (version 2.1.9) but Mailman is discarding the message:

Dec 18 12:42:42 2006 (168) Message discarded, msgid: 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Here is the exim log showing the message arriving (domain changed of course):

2006-12-18 12:42:41 1GwPJo-000MhT-Jp <= [EMAIL PROTECTED]
H=mail.example.com (example.com) [127.0.0.1] P=esmtp S=54593 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] T="Subject Line Here"

The administrator gets a discard notice but there is no mention of 
specifically why the message was discarded.  Is there any option anyone is 
aware of to make logging of discards more verbose?  

Looking in the code, the discard error appears to get logged here:

Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py (line 163)

except Errors.DiscardMessage:
# Throw the message away; we need do nothing else with it.
syslog('vette', 'Message discarded, msgid: %s',
   msg.get('message-id', 'n/a'))
return 0

Is there any attribute that I can use with the msg.get method (or any other 
method for that matter) to add in a note as to why the message was actually 
discarded?

Any help appreciated.

Cheers,

Ron

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mail delivery notification

[John W. Baxter]

On 12/15/06 6:45 PM, "Brad Knowles" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> At 10:48 AM -0300 12/15/06, Andres Tarallo wrote:
> 
>>  We need to receive a notification that the suscribers had received the mail.
>>  We where thinking in adding a header that makes the mail client return an
>>  automatic answer.
> 
> You can put in a header that some mail clients will recognize, and
> which may be configured to allow a return receipt to be generated.
> However, not all clients understand that concept at all, there have
> been multiple different attempts and standards to try to achieve this
> goal, and some of those multiple attempts are mutually incompatible.

Not to mention that it could be the visiting 8 year old grandson who sees
the message, tells the MUA to return the receipt (or the MUA options are set
so that is implicit), then deletes the message.

Not only does the sender not control the automated parts of the path, the
sender doesn't control the human element at the receiving end.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Unable to access Mailman cgi's via Web Server

[Mark Sapiro]

James Farren wrote:
>
>Doesn't work. this is what I get.
>
>[2006-12-19 21:49:27]: uid: (72/mailman) gid: (67/67) cmd: admin
>[2006-12-19 21:49:27]: cannot run as forbidden uid (72/admin)
>
>
>I am out of clues...


I assume the above refers to:

>> > SuexecUserGroup domain domain
>>
>>
>> I think the above may need to be
>>
>> SuexecUserGroup mailman mailman


>This is very general problem that should be addressed and looked into.


The issue is that there are problems trying to run Mailman under
SuExec. The Mailman project doesn't recommend this. Once again see the
posts linked below and the things they link to.


>> In general, there are difficulties with SuExec and Mailman. See for
>> example, the posts at
>> 
>> and
>> 
>> and other things they point to.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman + postfix + cyrus + ldap

[Brad Knowles]

At 11:27 AM -0800 12/19/06, Jim John wrote:

>  But can mailman put the mail into the cyrus mailboxes?

No.  Mailman is not a Local Delivery Agent.  Only the Cyrus LDA can 
put mail into the Cyrus mailboxes.  You would configure postfix to 
deliver mail for Mailman directly to Mailman, Mailman would then 
operate on it and then hand that back to postfix.  After that, 
postfix would transmit the mail to external recipients (if 
appropriate), hand off the mail to the Cyrus LDA to deliver mail for 
local recipients, etc

>  We do not have postfix mailboxes.

There is no such thing as a "postfix mailbox".

> Or does it send the
>  mail back to postfix for delivery using another agent
>  such as cyrus?

Bingo.  Mailman does not do all that other stuff.  It only does the 
stuff it needs to do internally, then depends on other programs to 
handle the other things.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman + postfix + cyrus + ldap

[Jim John]

But can mailman put the mail into the cyrus mailboxes?
We do not have postfix mailboxes. Or does it send the
mail back to postfix for delivery using another agent
such as cyrus?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem hooking mailman up with sendmail

[stupidmail4me]

Precisely Mr Hermann. As such, it has to be invoked
via mailertable (for an entire domain) or via aliases
for specific addresses.

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> Clement Hermann wrote:
> >
> >Do you use a specific mailer macro to execute
> mailman without using
> >aliases ? I do not know the mm-handler you're
> talking about.
> 
> 
> mm-handler is a script in the contrib/ directory of
> the distribution.
> it is intended to be invoked by Sendmail to receive
> all mail addressed
> to a specific domain (the one used for the Mailman
> list addresses) and
> deliver it properly to Mailman.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman + postfix + cyrus + ldap

[Patrick Bogen]

On 12/19/06, Jim John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello. We have configured postfix + cyrus + ldap, but
> would like to add mailman for mailing lists. Is that
> possible with out setup? All delivery is through the
> cyrus-tranport which puts mail in the cyrus mailbox.
> We are not sure how mailman delivery would work in
> this environment? Thanks.

The recommended way is to modify your postfix configuration to deliver
mail destined for mailman directly to mailman.

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[Mailman-Users] Mailman + postfix + cyrus + ldap

[Jim John]

Hello. We have configured postfix + cyrus + ldap, but
would like to add mailman for mailing lists. Is that
possible with out setup? All delivery is through the
cyrus-tranport which puts mail in the cyrus mailbox.
We are not sure how mailman delivery would work in
this environment? Thanks.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem hooking mailman up with sendmail

[Mark Sapiro]

Clement Hermann wrote:
>
>Do you use a specific mailer macro to execute mailman without using
>aliases ? I do not know the mm-handler you're talking about.


mm-handler is a script in the contrib/ directory of the distribution.
it is intended to be invoked by Sendmail to receive all mail addressed
to a specific domain (the one used for the Mailman list addresses) and
deliver it properly to Mailman.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] FW: Wrong group

[Mark Sapiro]

Ralph Utbult wrote:
>
>My problem is partially solved - changed ID for data/aliases* to mail
>mail.


I assume you are saying that this allows mail delivery to Mailman to
work.


>It seems that the web interface is working (at least locally, on
>the mail server). I will try to access it from a windows client inside
>my LAN, but if that doesn't work, no sweat. 


The above change will have no effect on the web interface per se except
for list creation and removal. It will also affect bin/newlist and
bin/rmlist. The problem will be that with MTA='Postfix' these
processes will attempt to update data/aliases, and now they probably
won't have permission to do so.

bin/newlist will create the list, and then if not being run by 'mail'
or a user in the 'mail' group, will die.

bin/rmlist will die first.

The web create and remove will work (and not work) similarly.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem hooking mailman up with sendmail

[Clement Hermann]

>> stupidmail4me a écrit :
> VIRTUSER_DOMAIN is not useless, it still gets run
> through virtusertable. You need a VIRTUSER_DOMAIN so
> that it runs through a mailer (which becomes the
> "local" mailer, in this case, mm-handler).
>
>   
right, Though I usually use {W} for this purpose (the virtusertable is
checked weither you use local-host-names or virtuser_domain)?

Do you use a specific mailer macro to execute mailman without using
aliases ? I do not know the mm-handler you're talking about.

Is the mailertable used even when the domain is in virtuser_domain, then ?
>> I'm almost sure that you cannot have both, though.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
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>>
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Unable to access Mailman cgi's via Web Server

[Mark Sapiro]

James Farren wrote:

>---
>When accessing: http://domain.com/mailman/admin
>
>
>suexec.log:
>
>[2006-12-17 22:26:17]: uid: (500/domain) gid: (500/500) cmd: admin
>[2006-12-17 22:26:17]: command not in docroot
>(/usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/admin)
>
>
>
>chown /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/:
>
>-rwxr-xr-x   1 root mailman 18215 2006-10-13 20:07 admin
>
>
>
>virtual host config:
>
>
> SuexecUserGroup domain domain


I think the above may need to be

 SuexecUserGroup mailman mailman


In general, there are difficulties with SuExec and Mailman. See for
example, the posts at

and

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Question about postfix-to-mailman.py

[Mark Sapiro]

Barry Finkel wrote:

>I am trying to decide whether to use the Debian/Ubuntu 2.1.5-9ubuntu4.1
>package or to use the 2.1.9 source for Mailman.


I would recommend installing from source, but I'm biased ...


>I see that Ubuntu
>comes with
>
> postfix-to-mailman.py
>
>a Postfix transport pipe.  I do not see this in the 2.1.9 source.
>Is this transport pipe really needed?


No, it is not needed and may or may not be even desirable, depending on
your needs. In order for it to work well, mailman list addresses need
to be in their own domain. It is based on qmail-to-mailman.py and also
functionally similar to mm-handler, both of which are in the
distribution in the contrib/ directory.

The main advantage of these delivery methods is they enable delivery of
mail to Mailman 'automatically' without requiring aliases. However,
Postfix integrates well with Mailman, and Mailman provides automatic
updating of aliases for Postfix.


>Am I correct in assuming that I can use this python module even if
>I install Mailman from the 2.1.9 source?


Yes, you can. 

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[Mailman-Users] Unable to access Mailman cgi's via Web Server

[James Farren]

I have a major problems executing mailman cgi's via web server.
I am getting very desperate right now since I don't see a solution to this
problem.

Is there a ways to make this work and what should I do?
---
When accessing: http://domain.com/mailman/admin


suexec.log:

[2006-12-17 22:26:17]: uid: (500/domain) gid: (500/500) cmd: admin
[2006-12-17 22:26:17]: command not in docroot
(/usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/admin)



chown /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/:

-rwxr-xr-x   1 root mailman 18215 2006-10-13 20:07 admin



virtual host config:


 SuexecUserGroup domain domain
 ServerName domain.com
 ServerAlias www.domain.com
 DocumentRoot /home/domain/public_html

 ErrorLog /home/domain/logs/error_log
 CustomLog /home/domain/logs/access_log combined

 ScriptAlias /mailman/   /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/
 Alias   /mailmanicons/  /usr/lib/mailman/icons/
 Alias   /pipermail/ /var/lib/mailman/archives/public/


 Options ExecCGI FollowSymLinks Indexes
 AllowOverride All
 Allow from all



 Options ExecCGI FollowSymLinks Indexes
 AddHandler cgi-script .pl
 AllowOverride all
 Allow from all



Options ExecCGI FollowSymLinks Indexes
order allow,deny
allow from all



order allow,deny
allow from all



Options +FollowSymLinks
order allow,deny
allow from all






I also found good description to this problem:

http://www.murrayc.com/blog/permalink/2005/04/28/suse-versus-mailman/



Configuration:

SuSE 9.3
Mailman Version: 2.1.5-5.3 Installed: 2.1.5-5.12



Thank You
James
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[Mailman-Users] Question about postfix-to-mailman.py

[Barry Finkel]

I am trying to decide whether to use the Debian/Ubuntu 2.1.5-9ubuntu4.1
package or to use the 2.1.9 source for Mailman.  I see that Ubuntu
comes with

 postfix-to-mailman.py

a Postfix transport pipe.  I do not see this in the 2.1.9 source.
Is this transport pipe really needed?

Am I correct in assuming that I can use this python module even if
I install Mailman from the 2.1.9 source?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem hooking mailman up with sendmail

[stupidmail4me]

--- Clement Hermann
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> stupidmail4me a écrit :
> > Here's the setup:
> > OpenBSD 4.0
> > Mailman 2.1.8p3
> >
> > I have in my mc file I have
> > VIRTUSER_DOMAIN(`lists.foo.org') set (and yes,
> I've
> > run m4 and made the cf file). In mailertable I've
> got
> > lists.foo.org mailman:lists.foo.org. But if I try
> and
> > send a message I get a 550 5.1.1 User Unknown.
> >
> >   
> I'm  not sure I understand what you're trying, but I
> never added a
> mailman mailer, and so a mailman: definition
> in the mailertable.
> Rather, the mailman mails should go thru the "local"
> mailer, then thru
> "prog" with pipes aliases (local name: "|command").
> 
> Also, IIRC, putting a domain in mailertable will
> prevent the
> virtusertable to be checked, so the virtuser_domain
> is useless here.
> However, I'm not really sure about the order, need a
> sendmail expert here ;)

VIRTUSER_DOMAIN is not useless, it still gets run
through virtusertable. You need a VIRTUSER_DOMAIN so
that it runs through a mailer (which becomes the
"local" mailer, in this case, mm-handler).

> 
> I'm almost sure that you cannot have both, though.
> 
> Regards,
> 
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> 


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem hooking mailman up with sendmail

[stupidmail4me]

I'm using mm-handler from /contrib.

I checked and the aliases I do have work (root,
MAILER-DAEMON, etc). But on my other setup it accepts
any email address on that domain and let's mm-handler
handle it from there so I don't need aliases in the
aliases file.

Like I said, everything (sendmail's cf file,
mm-handler, mm_cfg.py) is the same except for
appropriate domain entries.

--- Mark Sapiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> stupidmail4me wrote:
> >
> >I have in my mc file I have
> >VIRTUSER_DOMAIN(`lists.foo.org') set (and yes, I've
> >run m4 and made the cf file). In mailertable I've
> got
> >lists.foo.org mailman:lists.foo.org. But if I try
> and
> >send a message I get a 550 5.1.1 User Unknown.
> 
> 
> Have you installed aliases for the list(s) in
> /etc/aliases or ??
> 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] FW: Wrong group

[Ralph Utbult]

> Mark Sapiro writes:
> 
>  > Then, the question is why doesn't bin/check_perms -f fix 
> it? Are you  > running this as root?
> 
> This may have improved more recently, but sometimes I've had 
> to run check_perms -f more than once.

Ran it a couple of times myself ;-)

My problem is partially solved - changed ID for data/aliases* to mail
mail. It seems that the web interface is working (at least locally, on
the mail server). I will try to access it from a windows client inside
my LAN, but if that doesn't work, no sweat. 
Thanks, guys!

/Ralph
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Re: [Mailman-Users] FW: Wrong group

[Stephen J. Turnbull]

Mark Sapiro writes:

 > Then, the question is why doesn't bin/check_perms -f fix it? Are you
 > running this as root?

This may have improved more recently, but sometimes I've had to run
check_perms -f more than once.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem hooking mailman up with sendmail

[Clement Hermann]

stupidmail4me a écrit :
> Here's the setup:
> OpenBSD 4.0
> Mailman 2.1.8p3
>
> I have in my mc file I have
> VIRTUSER_DOMAIN(`lists.foo.org') set (and yes, I've
> run m4 and made the cf file). In mailertable I've got
> lists.foo.org mailman:lists.foo.org. But if I try and
> send a message I get a 550 5.1.1 User Unknown.
>
>   
I'm  not sure I understand what you're trying, but I never added a
mailman mailer, and so a mailman: definition in the mailertable.
Rather, the mailman mails should go thru the "local" mailer, then thru
"prog" with pipes aliases (local name: "|command").

Also, IIRC, putting a domain in mailertable will prevent the
virtusertable to be checked, so the virtuser_domain is useless here.
However, I'm not really sure about the order, need a sendmail expert here ;)

I'm almost sure that you cannot have both, though.

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