[Mailman-Users] Gmail issue...
Hi all,this is not the common question about gmail feature that doesn't accept message back. I have problems with all gmail accounts (i tried with 2 different but i get the same result). I can subscribe to the list with a gmail account but i can't send emails to that. I can receive others email, but others (and the mailing list too as the archives are empty) can't receive mine. Suggestions? Thanks a lot, Dario -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer question...
Thank you, Mark S and Brad K. It certainly helps to know the correct terms and words to search. Sorry for repeating a question that probably gets repeated quite a bit. I doubt I would have ever been able to find the answer. I didn't even know what 'munging' was or what it meant so I certainly wouldn't have searched using it. Thanks again! Greg From: Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Greg and Cheryl Sabens [EMAIL PROTECTED]; mailman-users@python.org Sent: Thursday, December 4, 2008 2:40:52 PM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer question... Greg and Cheryl Sabens wrote: Question #1 So, I'm unclear about something concerning footers (mainly on the Non-digest options). It appears that whenever I create a footer, something (whether it's mailman or Yahoo!) is adding the following line: -Inline Attachment Follows- Can someone tell me where this is originating from. Sometime is looks like it from Mailman, but I have confirmed that it's not part of the footer that I created. But sometimes it seems to be in Yahoo! because when I receive the same email in Outlook and that text is not there. It occurs because of the answer to Question #2, but it is the specific mail client (Yahoo) that is displaying the footer in this way. Question #2 Even beyond that, no matter which mail program/service I use (Yahoo! or Outlook), what footer I do create is attached to the email as an attachment. Again, I don't know what is causing that; 1) is Mailman sending it that way, or 2) are the mail programs/services forcing the footer (which does show up in the email body) to also be attached? Mailman is doing it because the MIME structure of the incoming message does not allow simply adding the footer to the 'body' of the mail. I'd like to have a footer in the body of the email coming through my maillist, but I'd rally rather not have the -Inline Attachment Follows- text in the body or the footer included as an attachment to the email. Again, sorry if this is repetitive, but I couldn't find any thread or faq that spoke specifically to these questions...only close to it. The FAQ at http://wiki.list.org/x/84A9 speaks exactly to this question (Question #2). In order for Mailman to add a footer and add it to the message 'body', the incoming post must be a simple text/plain message, not HTML or multipart/alternative or you must set content filtering to make it so. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
[Mailman-Users] Problem with moving lists
Hi, I moved a set of lists from one host mailman installation to another host running Mailman 2.1.11rc2. I followed the advice in the FAQ regarding moving lists and it seemed to work OK but I notice two issues. First, messages to the lists are not being archived - I've checked the permissions on the .mbox files, et c., and they are the same as with new lists where archiving does work. One thing that shouldn't matter is that I ran configure before I copied the lists - I forget if that's the order used in the FAQ answer. The second question, and it might provide a clue regarding the first, is that I have the lists in question set to prefix the message subject with the name of the list in brackets. Again, that works with the new lists but not with the moved lists. Thanks, James -- James Gallagher jgallagher at opendap.org 406.723.8663 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Gmail issue...
Dario Ghilardi wrote: Hi all,this is not the common question about gmail feature that doesn't accept message back. I'm glad to see that you've already gone through the FAQ and identified what your problem is not. Knowing what the problem isn't is at least as important as knowing what it is. I have problems with all gmail accounts (i tried with 2 different but i get the same result). I can subscribe to the list with a gmail account but i can't send emails to that. I can receive others email, but others (and the mailing list too as the archives are empty) can't receive mine. Hmm. In questions like this, my first response is to ask what is in the MTA logs on the target side? Is gmail even contacting the machine in question? If it is, are those messages being dropped or quarantined by spam filters? Are they being delivered to Mailman but then held for moderation? Before we can help, we need to know what is in the MTA and Mailman logs that are relevant to these messages that aren't showing up. -- Brad Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED] LinkedIn Profile: http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem with moving lists
James Gallagher wrote: I moved a set of lists from one host mailman installation to another host running Mailman 2.1.11rc2. I followed the advice in the FAQ regarding moving lists and it seemed to work OK but I notice two issues. First, messages to the lists are not being archived - I've checked the permissions on the .mbox files, et c., and they are the same as with new lists where archiving does work. What are your ownership and permissions like? What happens when you run ~Mailman/bin/check_perms? Not all of the things in FAQ 4.78 (see http://wiki.list.org/x/A4E9) are going to be relevant to your problem here, but there are lots of good general debugging steps that are listed there. One thing that shouldn't matter is that I ran configure before I copied the lists - I forget if that's the order used in the FAQ answer. I'm not convinced that won't create a problem for you, but I'll leave that question for Mark. The second question, and it might provide a clue regarding the first, is that I have the lists in question set to prefix the message subject with the name of the list in brackets. Again, that works with the new lists but not with the moved lists. That sounds like a configuration file that is not in the right place, and that might potentially be caused by the configure not being done in the correct place on the correct system. -- Brad Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED] LinkedIn Profile: http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer question...
Greg and Cheryl Sabens wrote: It certainly helps to know the correct terms and words to search. Sorry for repeating a question that probably gets repeated quite a bit. I doubt I would have ever been able to find the answer. I didn't even know what 'munging' was or what it meant so I certainly wouldn't have searched using it. But what did you search for? Searching the FAQ for footer gives 20 hits and you might well miss the 4.39 entry, but searching for the two words footer attachment gives 5 hits and the top excerpt shown is: [4.39 Mailman is munging HTML MIME-formatted messages before they are sent out? (problems with Mailman 2.1.x footers)] 4.39 Mailman is munging HTML MIME-formatted messages before they are sent out? (problems with Mailman 2.1.x footers) (Documentation) ... Mailman 2.1.x footers) a.k.a., Why are footers (or message bodies) being shown as attachments to HTMLformatted messages? For Mailman 2.0.x, see also 4.05 Why don't the footers ... some list messages? (Mailman 2.0.x). The problem is that there is no generalpurpose method of determining where a ... Jul 31, 2008 I ask because we would always like to improve the searchability of the FAQ, and if there's something we can add to this to make it easier for you to find, we'd like to do it. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Gmail issue...
Brad Knowles wrote: Dario Ghilardi wrote: I have problems with all gmail accounts (i tried with 2 different but i get the same result). I can subscribe to the list with a gmail account but i can't send emails to that. I can receive others email, but others (and the mailing list too as the archives are empty) can't receive mine. Hmm. In questions like this, my first response is to ask what is in the MTA logs on the target side? Is gmail even contacting the machine in question? If it is, are those messages being dropped or quarantined by spam filters? Are they being delivered to Mailman but then held for moderation? Before we can help, we need to know what is in the MTA and Mailman logs that are relevant to these messages that aren't showing up. Well, clearly you can send to this (mailman-users) list from your gmail account... In addition to what Brad indicates, what else can you tell us. Is this just one specific list with which you have this problem. Is it your list or someone else's? Do you get anything back when you attempt to post? If you are not the list owner, have you contacted the list owner? Perhaps there is some moderation issue or similar. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem with moving lists
Brad Knowles wrote: James Gallagher wrote: snip Brads advice about check_perms and the FAQ is good. One thing that shouldn't matter is that I ran configure before I copied the lists - I forget if that's the order used in the FAQ answer. I'm not convinced that won't create a problem for you, but I'll leave that question for Mark. The second question, and it might provide a clue regarding the first, is that I have the lists in question set to prefix the message subject with the name of the list in brackets. Again, that works with the new lists but not with the moved lists. That sounds like a configuration file that is not in the right place, and that might potentially be caused by the configure not being done in the correct place on the correct system. If you go to the web admin interface for the moved lists, what do you see? Do you see a subject_prefix on General Options? Do you see the expected membership list? is Archiving Options - archive set to Yes? Also, the FAQ mentions several procedures some of which are less that optimum. Can you outline even roughly what you actually did. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Detailed list of features for version 2.1.11 ?
Thanks, Mark. Yes, that was the page I was accessing it from. On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 2:00 PM, Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Christopher Adams wrote: This link leads to an error. Is there another source for this information? http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/mailman/mailman/NEWS?only_with_tag=Release_2_1-maint I assume you found that link at http://www.list.org/features.html or one of the mirrors. Sorry about that. I'll get it fixed. The correct link is http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mailman-coders/mailman/2.1/annotate/head:/NEWS. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Christopher Adams [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
[Mailman-Users] add admins and moderators
hi, I have about 120 lists on my server for different customers, some are small (50 subscribers max) and some are medium and big (100 - 300 subscribers) I need to add my email address as a server owner to administrate and moderate the lists to make sure no illegal actions are taken.. is there a SSH command line that I can use to add my email as moderator or administrator instead of logging into the web interface of each list and adding it manually? if SSH is applicable I can make a script to do it automatically.. Thanks _ News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] add admins and moderators
faisal anif wrote: I need to add my email address as a server owner to administrate and moderate the lists to make sure no illegal actions are taken.. is there a SSH command line that I can use to add my email as moderator or administrator instead of logging into the web interface of each list and adding it manually? if SSH is applicable I can make a script to do it automatically.. If you have the site admin password, you can log in and administer any list you want. You don't have to have the list admin password. Moreover, logging in and controlling things depends only on the admin password, and not whether your e-mail address is listed as one of the official owners. Anyone with the listowner or site admin password can get in, regardless. However, this doesn't do anything for notifications. If you want to be explicitly listed as a listowner for every list, and get all the appropriate listowner notices, then you will actually need to go in and add yourself as a listowner to each and every list. There are command-line tools that you can use to help make this process a lot easier, but I don't think there are any pre-written tools to do exactly what you want. I think you could get there using a withlist script, however. FAQ 4.09 at http://wiki.list.org/x/z4A9 details the various command-line tools that you have available to you as a site administrator. Try looking at those, and searching the archives and the FAQ Wiki to see examples of how to use some of them -- like withlist. -- Brad Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED] LinkedIn Profile: http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] add admins and moderators
faisal anif wrote:
I need to add my email address as a server owner to administrate and moderate
the lists to make sure no illegal actions are taken..
You don't need to add your address as owner or moderator in order to
administer a list. You only need to add your address to 'owner' if you
want to receive notices sent by mailman and others to the owner.
is there a SSH command line that I can use to add my email as moderator or
administrator instead of logging into the web interface of each list and
adding it manually?
Presumably you already have set a Mailman site password since how else
would you log in to the web interface of each list? So I guess you
really do want to add your address as an owner of each list
if SSH is applicable I can make a script to do it automatically..
See
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2005-December/047993.html
for a way to add an owner to a list via the command line. To do it for
all lists, you could use a script like
#! /bin/sh
cd /mailman/installation/directory
for list in `bin/list_lists --bare` ; do
bin/config_list -i /path/to/file $list
done
Where /path/to/file is the path to the input prepared according to the
above referenced post.
As Brad notes, you can also do this with a withlist script and use
withlist's --all option to process all lists, but the withlist script
you'd need would be a bit more complex than the input file to
config_list which could be as simple as the single line
mlist.owner.append('[EMAIL PROTECTED]')
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[Mailman-Users] Duplicate detection: a plea
We recently moved over to mailman from Ecartis at $dayjob, and one of the largest annoyances is that mailman seems to have no ability to strip duplicate messages that are sent to the lists. We moved over from our main domain name, foo.com, to lists.foo.com, so what happens is this: A user posts to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- the mailer forwards it to [EMAIL PROTECTED] People reply to the list and hit reply-all, which directs replies to the LIST ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) but also to the original recipient ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). Bam, duplicates. I don't want to get into an evangelical holy-war about reply-all. We already had it here. I've seen mention of a fix for this via procmail, that basically creates a lockfile based on the message-id. Our mail server's not running procmail, and since it's only hosting lists, not and mailboxes, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to use it. All mailman would have to do is touch a per-list lockfile based on message-id (one line of shell), and then at some point in the posting process, if that lockfile exists, drop the message (as it's already come through). Cleanup is one line of shell (find foo -ctime xxx -delete) or can be handled from the qrunner. Heck, if you want to be fancy, give me a list of regexes that match recipients, and more than one must match to make this happen. I also tried sending this to the -developers list. No response. But maybe that's the wrong place since I'm not developing, or submitting a patch. Just saying I need a simple feature and could pay something for it if need be. Not something amazing, but enough for a nice dinner and drinks (or if you're local to silicon valley, I'll buy). Can mailman please have this functionality natively? -Dan -- Dan Mahoney Techie, Sysadmin, WebGeek Gushi on efnet/undernet IRC ICQ: 13735144 AIM: LarpGM Site: http://www.gushi.org --- -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
[Mailman-Users] Subscribing other lists to a list.
I just helped to manage a migration from Ecartis to Mailman for my day job. We have a periodic -announce list that we send out on to release new software versions. What I'm finding is we cannot duplicate the same behavior we have under Ecartis. Ecartis had a simple import option, where list B could be a subset of list A, but list A could also contain normal users. I've found this post http://www.saas.nsw.edu.au/solutions/umbrella.html and it explains things pretty well, but neither option would really work well for us. Umbrella lists don't work because they say this was sent to the umbrella list in the footers (which are suppressable) but also in the TO: header (or the cc header). We could send to: a fake address, with a cc: to a fake address, but this would set off spam filters, and we're staunchly anti-spam. On the other hand, Parent lists don't work, for the same reason -- there are people who sign up for -announce and -discuss and want to filter them separately, or who don't want the noise of -discuss and want to get it as a digest. Right now, the easiest (and dumbest) answer is just make announcements to all three lists. Ecartis stripped duplicates there -- if you were on list a, I don't believe list b was imported. What I'd like to know if is possible within mailman is the following: a) A per-user flag that makes a user admin-control ONLY. No auto-bounce handling, no unsubscribe options, no password reminders...nothing. Essentially, this would move the umbrella setting from a global to a single address. This would solve about half the problem (the headers would still need to be fixed, mainly the to: header). But it's more than I have right now. -Dan Mahoney -- Dan Mahoney Techie, Sysadmin, WebGeek Gushi on efnet/undernet IRC ICQ: 13735144 AIM: LarpGM Site: http://www.gushi.org --- -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
