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[Mailman-Users] Newbie question

2002-01-03 Thread Nino Katic


Hi,

I want to restrict postings to only one (admin) address, so that no one
else can post to the list. How to do this?

Nino


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[Mailman-Users] Newbie question

2002-01-03 Thread Nino Katic


How to restrict posts only to administrator of the list, so that no one
else can post to it, only receive posts?

Nino


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[Mailman-Users] newbie question

2002-04-10 Thread Brian Noecker


Ok, totally new to mailman, but giving it a try.  Currently I have version
2.0.9 runnig on Linux.  The install seemed to work fine.  The ./check_perms
reports things are fine.  I have mailman running as mailman, with group
mailman.  I have a web server running under a different www-data account.  

I think I have some permission issues however, for I tend to see the
following error pop up in different places.  Most notably, when a new user
signs up, they get a "Subscription results" page confirming their sign up,
but with the following at the bottom.

Content-type: text/html 
Bug in Mailman version 2.0.9
We're sorry, we hit a bug!
Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of
traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited, but
the webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs. 
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In the logs I see:


Apr 10 12:56:55 2002 (21776) Delivery exception: 
Apr 10 12:56:55 2002 (21776) Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/opt/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 82, in
do_pipeline
func(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/opt/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py", line 77, in process
mlist.Lock()
  File "/opt/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1339, in Lock
self.__lock.lock(timeout)
  File "/opt/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 266, in lock
raise AlreadyLockedError
AlreadyLockedError: 

Apr 10 12:56:55 2002 admin(21776):

admin(21776): [- Mailman Version: 2.0.9 -]
admin(21776): [- Traceback --]
admin(21776): Traceback (innermost last):
admin(21776):   File "/opt/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main
admin(21776): main()
admin(21776):   File "/opt/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/subscribe.py", line 77, in
main
admin(21776): mlist.Save()
admin(21776):   File "/opt/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 857, in Save
admin(21776): self.__save(dict)
admin(21776):   File "/opt/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 833, in __save
admin(21776): os.link(fname, fname_last)
admin(21776): OSError: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted
admin(21776): [- Python Information -]
admin(21776): sys.version= 1.5.2 (#1, Dec 21 2000, 15:29:08)  [GCC
egcs-2.91.66 19990314/Linux (egcs-
admin(21776): sys.executable = /usr/bin/python
admin(21776): sys.prefix = /usr
admin(21776): sys.exec_prefix= /usr
admin(21776): sys.path   = /usr
admin(21776): sys.platform   = linux-i386
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I see the OSError: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted error pop up in other
places as well.

Ideas to get me started?


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[Mailman-Users] newbie question...

2001-03-20 Thread Joshua S. Freeman


I'm a bit slow.. i've done things in the wrong order...

I installed mailman (newest version) i'm running VA enhanced RH 6.2.4...

mailman installed fine.. i created a test list... unfortunately, I went to
it's website, added a user account and sent a test mail to the list from
that user account before I realized just what I was supposed to do with
that list of aliases...

so I added the aliases to /etc/aliases and ran newaliases

any mail i send to the test list comes back as "Returned mail: Service
unavailable"

   - The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -
"|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post newtest"
(expanded from: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>)

sh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs
554 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post newtest"... Service unavailable


I'm not quite sure how to interpret this message... 

anyone have any advice for me?

TIA,

J.



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[Mailman-Users] Newbie question

2002-12-23 Thread Rob Jolliffe

Hi everyone,

I have a bandwidth question.  My searches of the archives and google turned 
up very little.  I did see the one FAQ entry that seemed to deal with this - 
but I thought I should ask for clairification.

Here is my question.  [Perhaps it's even more an SMTP question than a mailman 
question, if so please point me to the right list or newsgroup.]

I have a list with 1000 members on Yahoo groups (yech!).  I want to move this 
list on to my own server.  My SMTP server is going to be my ISP's server (I 
will be double checking with them) not my own.  When I send a 10k message to 
the 1000 users,  will my Mailman send a single message to the SMTP server 
with 1000 addresses attached (or 100 or 50 as per my configuration) or will 
it send 1 message per domain with the addresses attached?

If anyone is running such a list (about 40 to 60 messages per day,  maybe 5k 
average size,  1000 users) what bandwidth do you find is sufficient.  Just 
doing the straight math results in a requirement of 1 Mb per minute (174kB 
per second) upload speed to deliver messages within a 5 minute window.  This 
is pretty high bandwidth imho.  Does a mailing list really require this kind 
of thruput?

Thanks very much

-Rob

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[Mailman-Users] newbie question

2003-07-10 Thread Ed Hill


Hi folks,

I've setup mailman for a low-traffic public list and, while all the
mails seem to get through just fine, I'm having one nagging little
problem.  I'd like the Reply-To: address to point to: 

  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

but mails sent from the list appear to be from:

  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

in spite of my efforts to specify the Return-To: settings through the
mailman admin tools.

For instance, heres part of a header:

Received: from onyx.he.net (onyx.he.net [216.218.161.2]) by
forge.lcs.mit.edu (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6AEFXMf018850 for
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 10:15:33 -0400
Received: from eaps-dhcp-131.lcs.mit.edu (eaps-dhcp-131.lcs.mit.edu
[18.24.3.131]) by onyx.he.net (8.8.6p2003-03-31/8.8.2) with ESMTP id
HAA05609 for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 07:15:33
-0700

and it appears from this that sendmail is changing the Reply-To:
address.

Any suggestions on how I can fix this?

thanks!
Ed


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[Mailman-Users] Newbie question

2003-11-16 Thread Michele Neylon :: Blacknight Solutions

Hi all

I've managed to install mailman and get it running with a couple of test
lists, but for some reason the list name is not being prepended in the email
subject lines. (Am I missing something really simple?)
Any ideas?
Thanks

M



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[Mailman-Users] Newbie question

2004-03-01 Thread Key Dof

Hi,
  I am newbie in mailing lists, i want to know if it's possible to make
mailman run on the same main mail server, or it must be on a separate
machine, and if it's possible, how can it be configured.
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[Mailman-Users] newbie question

2004-03-09 Thread Jim Chivas

Greetings:

I have search the archives and checked the faq but I still would like to
get someones assistance for my instal on Sun SOlaris version 7.

It should be a pretty simple solution but I can't see it.

Near the end of the install I am asked to create the 'mailman' system
list. I did this successfully. The email that was returned to me says I
can now configure this new list by accessing:


http://my-server-name/mailman/admin/mailman


In the following install layout I don't see any file or directory below
the admin file in the cgi-bin area.

When I do this or any other access I receive the famous:

'file not' found page in my browser.

Did I miss something during the install?


Thanks

Jim





My apache server configs are:


ScriptAlias /mailman/   "/usr/local/mailmain/cgi-bin/"


#

AllowOverride   None
Options None
Order   allow,deny
Allow   fromall




While my install layout is:


# pwd
/usr/local/mailman
# ls -al cgi-bin


total 796
drwxrwsr-x   2 mailman  mailman  512 Mar  2 21:42 .
drwxrwsr-x  20 mailman  mailman  512 Mar  3 22:13 ..
-rwxr-sr-x   1 mailman  mailman36456 Mar  2 21:42 admin
-rwxr-sr-x   1 mailman  mailman36460 Mar  2 21:42 admindb
-rwxr-sr-x   1 mailman  mailman36460 Mar  2 21:42 confirm
-rwxr-sr-x   1 mailman  mailman36460 Mar  2 21:42 create
-rwxr-sr-x   1 mailman  mailman36468 Mar  2 21:42 edithtml
-rwxr-sr-x   1 mailman  mailman36468 Mar  2 21:42 listinfo
-rwxr-sr-x   1 mailman  mailman36460 Mar  2 21:42 options
-rwxr-sr-x   1 mailman  mailman36460 Mar  2 21:42 private
-rwxr-sr-x   1 mailman  mailman36460 Mar  2 21:42 rmlist
-rwxr-sr-x   1 mailman  mailman36460 Mar  2 21:42 roster
-rwxr-sr-x   1 mailman  mailman36468 Mar  2 21:42 subscribe
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[Mailman-Users] Newbie Question

2007-06-07 Thread Marcy Setter

I'm with a non-profit and looking at replacements for Lyris List manager.
Does Mailman offer a web interface option to read messages as well as
individual emails?

 

Thank you,

Marcy

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[Mailman-Users] Newbie Question

2008-08-28 Thread Colin Robinson


Hey guys, I'm looking to create some kind of online mailing list for my office. 
I am a self taught it person so my knowledge is some what limited. I am capable 
of learning some simple programs on my own (FrontPage, web expressions, 
Photoshop...) but really don't know the hard core stuff. That being said is 
this program the type of thing I would stand a chance at learning on my own 
knowing that I know nothing about Python?
 
Thanks,
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[Mailman-Users] newbie question

2005-01-21 Thread C. Jon Hinkle

I have been "selected" to set up a Mailman system to communicate with
roughly 140 users.  I have exactly zero experience with this kind of
endevor, although I am not totally techno-challenged.

I need to set about 30 of the users to be able to post and reply at
will.  The rest should be able to post and reply, but with some limits. 
For instance, if someone posts something useful, we don't want 130
postings back to the list saying "Wow!  That's cool!"  Given the
user-level of many of the 110 with limited rights, such a scenario is
well within the realm of possiblity.  These are the same people who
reply to a Department-wide announcement by hitting the "Reply All"
button.

In any event, I can see from the List Admin manual that I can set up
moderators and they would have full rights and set the rest as users and
make their replies be moderated, but having 30 moderators seems
unwieldy.  For instance, who would actually moderate the postings from
the 110?

If I set first_strip_reply_to to YES and then set reply_goes_to_List to
POSTER, the reply would go to the original poster, but not to the entire
list?  Is that different than setting first_strip_reply_to to NO and
having the original reply-to be in force?

In either instance, how do I account for worthwhile replies that would
be beneficial for the entire list to see?

Am I taking the wrong tack here?  Is this better done with something
like default_member_moderation?  I could set the flag to off for the 30
and on for the rest and then set the action to Hold.  Then, if the
posting/reply was worth seeing on the list, it could be approved by a
single moderator, and if not then it gets rejected and the poster gets a
notice.

If this seems disjointed, it is because I'm making it up as I go along.
 Any guidance you can offer is appreciated.

TIA, CJon

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[Mailman-Users] newbie question

2005-02-01 Thread Julie S. Lin

BlankHi

can anyone point me in the right direction? I'm getting "no publicly
advertised lists" via web interface, however when I run the cgi manually, I
see my lists. i'm also unable to create a list via web interface

i am also using a proxy in front of the
mail server.

i'm running sendmail, 2.1.5 mailman, python2.3 on mandrake 9
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[Mailman-Users] newbie question

2005-03-03 Thread Troy Williams

I want to use Mailman and need to set it up quick.  What is the best
resource for guiding me through the setup?  The hosting service I use is
configured for it, all I need to do is provide the website but am having
problems getting started.  Any suggestions?
 
Thanks,
Troy

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Newbie Question

2001-10-17 Thread Jon Carnes


On Wednesday 17 October 2001 12:21, Trudy A. Curtis wrote:
> Hi,
>
> We have just begun using Mailman in the last few weeks and are still in
> the process of figuring things out.  So far, it looks pretty good.   I've
> noticed that email submissions to a list include a lot of extra
> information about the list servers,  such as
>
> List-Help: 
> List-Post: 
> List-Subscribe: ,
>   
> List-Id: Spatial I I Project list server 
> List-Unsubscribe: ,
>   
> List-Archive: 
>
> As it turns out, our configuration is set up so that users can't actually
> access any of this information (our Linux server is not accessible to the
> public), so this information is confusing the users.  I haven't been able
> to find a way to shut this header off so that it does not get added to
> the outgoing messages.  Anyone out there know how to do that?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Trudy
>
You can certainly turn these off by editing the source code and then 
recompiling.  In your case this is fairly easy.

Greping through the source code indicates that the headers are added in :
  ~mailman/Mailman/Handlers/CookHeaders.py

A good way into that file you will see something like this:

listinfo = mlist.GetScriptURL('listinfo', absolute=1)
#
# TBD: List-Id is not in the RFC, but it was in an earlier draft so we
# leave it in for historical reasons.
headers = {
'List-Id' : listid,
'List-Help'   : '' % requestaddr,
'List-Unsubscribe': subfieldfmt % (listinfo, requestaddr, 'un'),
'List-Subscribe'  : subfieldfmt % (listinfo, requestaddr, ''),
'List-Post'   : '' % mlist.GetListEmail(),
}
#
 
It's all in plain text.  Feel free to edit or delete (or add your own 
fields).  I would at a minimum keep "List-Id":

listinfo = mlist.GetScriptURL('listinfo', absolute=1)
#
# TBD: List-Id is not in the RFC, but it was in an earlier draft so we
# leave it in for historical reasons.
headers = {
'List-Id' : listid,
}
#

Now recompile and install.

Good Luck - Jon Carnes

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question

2002-01-03 Thread mel


In the Admin. pages. Privacy Options. Under General Posting filters. Restrict
Posting Privilege: Set this to No. the next section Addresses of Members just
enter the authorized poster or posters. 
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RE: [Mailman-Users] newbie question

2002-04-10 Thread Brian Noecker


Update on this:

Seems that the problems with the "admin(21776): OSError: [Errno 1] Operation
not permitted" error stem from the following observations:

the /opt/mailman/lists and /opt/mailman/lists/test/config.db file has
permissions and ownership as such:
drwxrwsr-x2 mailman  mailman  3072 Apr 10 13:48 test
&
-rw-rw1 mailman mailman  3392 Apr 10 13:48 config.db
-rw-rw1 www-data mailman  3391 Apr 10 13:47 config.db.last
-rw-rw1 www-data mailman  3029 Apr 10 11:47
config.db.tmp.development.corp.jabber.com.21024

Now, as you can see, the config.db.tmp files are being created everytime
I make a change that effects the config.db.  The temp file is written by the
www user and looks as if it needs to be re-written as the config.db, but
can't.  We tried chmod 777 on config.db, but no luck.  We then tried chown
www-data.mailman config.db and then it worked fine.

I don't understand why this process is failing.  We have another mailman
install that keeps the mailman.mailman permissions on config.db and works
fine.  

Can anyone explain this, or how the process should work?

thanks,
Brian


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Subject: [Mailman-Users] newbie question


Ok, totally new to mailman, but giving it a try.  Currently I have version
2.0.9 runnig on Linux.  The install seemed to work fine.  The ./check_perms
reports things are fine.  I have mailman running as mailman, with group
mailman.  I have a web server running under a different www-data account.  

I think I have some permission issues however, for I tend to see the
following error pop up in different places.  Most notably, when a new user
signs up, they get a "Subscription results" page confirming their sign up,
but with the following at the bottom.

Content-type: text/html 
Bug in Mailman version 2.0.9
We're sorry, we hit a bug!
Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of
traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited, but
the webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs. 
---

In the logs I see:


Apr 10 12:56:55 2002 (21776) Delivery exception: 
Apr 10 12:56:55 2002 (21776) Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/opt/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 82, in
do_pipeline
func(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/opt/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py", line 77, in process
mlist.Lock()
  File "/opt/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1339, in Lock
self.__lock.lock(timeout)
  File "/opt/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 266, in lock
raise AlreadyLockedError
AlreadyLockedError: 

Apr 10 12:56:55 2002 admin(21776):

admin(21776): [- Mailman Version: 2.0.9 -]
admin(21776): [- Traceback --]
admin(21776): Traceback (innermost last):
admin(21776):   File "/opt/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main
admin(21776): main()
admin(21776):   File "/opt/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/subscribe.py", line 77, in
main
admin(21776): mlist.Save()
admin(21776):   File "/opt/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 857, in Save
admin(21776): self.__save(dict)
admin(21776):   File "/opt/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 833, in __save
admin(21776): os.link(fname, fname_last)
admin(21776): OSError: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted
admin(21776): [- Python Information -]
admin(21776): sys.version= 1.5.2 (#1, Dec 21 2000, 15:29:08)  [GCC
egcs-2.91.66 19990314/Linux (egcs-
admin(21776): sys.executable = /usr/bin/python
admin(21776): sys.prefix = /usr
admin(21776): sys.exec_prefix= /usr
admin(21776): sys.path   = /usr
admin(21776): sys.platform   = linux-i386
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I see the OSError: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted error pop up in other
places as well.

Ideas to get me started?


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Re: [Mailman-Users] newbie question

2002-04-11 Thread Marc MERLIN


On Wed, Apr 10, 2002 at 02:24:02PM -0600, Brian Noecker wrote:
> Update on this:
> 
> Seems that the problems with the "admin(21776): OSError: [Errno 1] Operation
> not permitted" error stem from the following observations:
> 
> the /opt/mailman/lists and /opt/mailman/lists/test/config.db file has
> permissions and ownership as such:
> drwxrwsr-x2 mailman  mailman  3072 Apr 10 13:48 test
> &
> -rw-rw1 mailman mailman  3392 Apr 10 13:48 config.db
> -rw-rw1 www-data mailman  3391 Apr 10 13:47 config.db.last
> -rw-rw1 www-data mailman  3029 Apr 10 11:47
> config.db.tmp.development.corp.jabber.com.21024
> 
> Now, as you can see, the config.db.tmp files are being created everytime
> I make a change that effects the config.db.  The temp file is written by the

Are you running any secure linux kernel with restricted hardlinks?

If so, see README.linux and the script to fix this in crontrib (in the main
source tree)

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Re: [Mailman-Users] newbie question...

2001-03-20 Thread Juan Carlos Rey Anaya


"Joshua S. Freeman" wrote:
> 
> I'm a bit slow.. i've done things in the wrong order...
> 
> I installed mailman (newest version) i'm running VA enhanced RH 6.2.4...
> 
> mailman installed fine.. i created a test list... unfortunately, I went to
> it's website, added a user account and sent a test mail to the list from
> that user account before I realized just what I was supposed to do with
> that list of aliases...
> 
> so I added the aliases to /etc/aliases and ran newaliases
> 
> any mail i send to the test list comes back as "Returned mail: Service
> unavailable"
> 
>- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -
> "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post newtest"
> (expanded from: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>)
> 
> sh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs
> 554 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post newtest"... Service unavailable
> 
> I'm not quite sure how to interpret this message...
> 
> anyone have any advice for me?
> 
> TIA,
> 
> J.
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[Mailman-Users] newbie question --installation

2002-07-17 Thread Hongbin Liu



Greetings all:

 I thought I just got mailman set up. I created
 a test mailing list "test" and try to subscribe
 to the list. I got confirmation number and
 reply as instructed. But I never got Welcome
 message.  View subscribers of "test" or
 running bin/list_members test gave me a blank
 page.

 I would appreciate you kind help if you can point
 out what could be wrong with my setting.
 Thanks in advance!

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[Mailman-Users] newbie question -- installation

2002-07-18 Thread Hongbin Liu



 
> I thought I just got mailman set up. I created
> a test mailing list "test" and try to subscribe
> to the list. I got confirmation number and
> reply as instructed. But I never got Welcome
> message.  View subscribers of "test" or
> running bin/list_members test gave me a blank
> page. 
> 
> I would appreciate you kind help if you can point
> out what could be wrong with my setting. 
> Thanks in advance!
> 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question

2002-12-23 Thread Danny Terweij

From: "Rob Jolliffe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Here is my question.  [Perhaps it's even more an SMTP question than a
mailman
> question, if so please point me to the right list or newsgroup.]

> I have a list with 1000 members on Yahoo groups (yech!).  I want to move
this
> list on to my own server.  My SMTP server is going to be my ISP's server
(I
> will be double checking with them) not my own.  When I send a 10k message
to
> the 1000 users,  will my Mailman send a single message to the SMTP server
> with 1000 addresses attached (or 100 or 50 as per my configuration) or
will
> it send 1 message per domain with the addresses attached?

I have a simular setup.

Lets explain only my outbound mail :)

-Generated outgoing mailmessage by mailman
-Send by mailman to my sendmail (same machine as mailman)
-Sendmail forwards all outgoingmail to main mailserver (w2k server with
Mailtraq Version 1)
-All outgoing mail from mailman domain is send to my backup mailserver
(Mailtraq Version 2 on Windows XP)
-Mailtraq Version 2 Sends it to my ISP smtp server.
I have on Mailtraq 2 configured only 2 parallel outgoing connections (i have
only 12kb/sec upstream).
On Mailtraq Version 1 machine, i have more outgoing connections so my
personal mail will be send immediatly instead of queued after a lot of
mailman messages.

Incomming mailman mail is about the same way  but not routed though Mailtraq
2 server :)

But instead of Microsoft software it can be done with sendmail too, i think.

I just wanted to sepparate normal mail and mailinglistmail, and it's working
well :)


So just 1 outgoing message with many receipients in it. (limited at 300 per
mail at mm_cfg.py)
At the beginning i did use MX resolvings. Yech! took me hours to send out
the mail.
Now i am happy and is running for a few month.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question

2002-12-23 Thread J C Lawrence

On Mon, 23 Dec 2002 15:39:38 -0500 
Rob Jolliffe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I have a list with 1000 members on Yahoo groups (yech!).  I want to
> move this list on to my own server.  My SMTP server is going to be my
> ISP's server (I will be double checking with them) not my own.  When I
> send a 10k message to the 1000 users, will my Mailman send a single
> message to the SMTP server with 1000 addresses attached (or 100 or 50
> as per my configuration) or will it send 1 message per domain with the
> addresses attached?

RFC [2]822 recommends a maximum of 100 RCPT TO's per message.  

> If anyone is running such a list (about 40 to 60 messages per day,
> maybe 5k average size, 1000 users)...

Yes.

> ... what bandwidth do you find is sufficient.  

With QoS metrics and definitions as to the distribution of your target
MXes this can't be answered.  In my case my system is rather connected
(three T3s and two T1s), but then that's rather incidental to the tasks
I have it perform and wasn't a requirement of the hosting site.

> Just doing the straight math results in a requirement of 1 Mb per
> minute (174kB per second) upload speed to deliver messages within a 5
> minute window.  

If you require a 5 minute delivery time to your ISP's smarthost, then
yes.  Do you require a 5 minute delivery window?  Really?

> This is pretty high bandwidth imho.  Does a mailing list really
> require this kind of thruput?

What QoS do you require?  Can your target MXes support that QoS?  Do
they even desire it, let alone require it?  Would anybody notice if it
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question

2002-12-24 Thread Jon Carnes

The way Mailman works by default is that it will break the message out
by domain.  Thus it will send one message to each domain - up to a
maximum of 100 folks at one domain, this is set in
~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py. 

If there are 14 folks at one domain then only one message will be sent
to that domain's Mail server.  If there are 140 folks at one domain,
then two messages will be sent to that domain's mail server.

Bandwidth is not a normal concern for Mail servers since mail is a
"store and forward" service. If you have a need for large messages to
flow out quickly then bandwidth becomes a concern.

Also of concern in that case is tweaking Sendmail and your production
environment so that it handles mail as quickly as possible.  That being
the case, you should look at running Postfix (which comes optimized),
and also look at running a caching DNS server on the same machine as
Mailman/Postfix.

Good Luck! - Jon Carnes

On Mon, 2002-12-23 at 15:39, Rob Jolliffe wrote:
> Hi everyone,
> 
> I have a bandwidth question.  My searches of the archives and google turned 
> up very little.  I did see the one FAQ entry that seemed to deal with this - 
> but I thought I should ask for clairification.
> 
> Here is my question.  [Perhaps it's even more an SMTP question than a mailman 
> question, if so please point me to the right list or newsgroup.]
> 
> I have a list with 1000 members on Yahoo groups (yech!).  I want to move this 
> list on to my own server.  My SMTP server is going to be my ISP's server (I 
> will be double checking with them) not my own.  When I send a 10k message to 
> the 1000 users,  will my Mailman send a single message to the SMTP server 
> with 1000 addresses attached (or 100 or 50 as per my configuration) or will 
> it send 1 message per domain with the addresses attached?
> 
> If anyone is running such a list (about 40 to 60 messages per day,  maybe 5k 
> average size,  1000 users) what bandwidth do you find is sufficient.  Just 
> doing the straight math results in a requirement of 1 Mb per minute (174kB 
> per second) upload speed to deliver messages within a 5 minute window.  This 
> is pretty high bandwidth imho.  Does a mailing list really require this kind 
> of thruput?
> 
> Thanks very much
> 
> -Rob
> 
> -
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> Technology Partner, Dynac Inc.
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> 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question

2002-12-24 Thread Rob Jolliffe

On 24 Dec 2002 at 3:04, Danny Terweij wrote:

From:   "Danny Terweij" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject:        Re: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question
Date sent:  Tue, 24 Dec 2002 03:04:54 +0100

> From: "Rob Jolliffe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
...

> > the 1000 users,  will my Mailman send a single message to the SMTP server
> > with 1000 addresses attached (or 100 or 50 as per my configuration) or
> will
> > it send 1 message per domain with the addresses attached?
> 
> I have a simular setup.
> 
> Lets explain only my outbound mail :)
 
...
 
> So just 1 outgoing message with many receipients in it. (limited at 300 per
> mail at mm_cfg.py)
> At the beginning i did use MX resolvings. Yech! took me hours to send out
> the mail.
> Now i am happy and is running for a few month.

Hi Danny,

How many users on your mailing list?  How many messages per day?

Thanks


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question

2002-12-24 Thread Rob Jolliffe

Hi JC,

On 23 Dec 2002 at 19:54, J C Lawrence wrote:

To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Copies to:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:Re: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question 
Date sent:  Mon, 23 Dec 2002 19:54:03 -0800
From:   J C Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> On Mon, 23 Dec 2002 15:39:38 -0500 
> Rob Jolliffe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > I have a list with 1000 members on Yahoo groups (yech!).  I want to
> > move this list on to my own server.  My SMTP server is going to be my
> > ISP's server (I will be double checking with them) not my own.  When I
> > send a 10k message to the 1000 users, will my Mailman send a single
> > message to the SMTP server with 1000 addresses attached (or 100 or 50
> > as per my configuration) or will it send 1 message per domain with the
> > addresses attached?
> 
> RFC [2]822 recommends a maximum of 100 RCPT TO's per message.  

Fair enough.

> 
> > If anyone is running such a list (about 40 to 60 messages per day,
> > maybe 5k average size, 1000 users)...
> 
> Yes.
> 
> > ... what bandwidth do you find is sufficient.  
> 
> With QoS metrics and definitions as to the distribution of your target
> MXes this can't be answered.  In my case my system is rather connected
> (three T3s and two T1s), but then that's rather incidental to the tasks
> I have it perform and wasn't a requirement of the hosting site.

I would have to analyze my target MXes - which I haven't done.  My bad.

My QoS is low.  99% should be fine.  99.9% would be fantastic.  This is a 
volunteer list.

Here's a simple question I hope.  If I pass-through my messages to an 
external SMTP server - does Mailman do the parsing of the messages into the 
different MX domains or does it leave that up to the SMTP server?  In other 
words does it send the SMTP server 10 messages with 100 addresses (for 1000 
user list),  or does it pre-parse the list into domains and then send them?

 
> > Just doing the straight math results in a requirement of 1 Mb per
> > minute (174kB per second) upload speed to deliver messages within a 5
> > minute window.  
> 
> If you require a 5 minute delivery time to your ISP's smarthost, then
> yes.  Do you require a 5 minute delivery window?  Really?

5 minutes is a starting point,  but not necessarily what we will ultimately settle for.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question

2002-12-24 Thread Rob Jolliffe

Hi,

On 24 Dec 2002 at 10:30, Jon Carnes wrote:

Subject:Re: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question
From:   Jon Carnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Copies to:  Mailman users Mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date sent:  24 Dec 2002 10:30:20 -0500

> The way Mailman works by default is that it will break the message out
> by domain.  Thus it will send one message to each domain - up to a
> maximum of 100 folks at one domain, this is set in
> ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py. 

Thanks for the reply.  You say "by default."  Does this mean that it can be 
configured to NOT break messages into the domains and let the SMTP server do 
that instead?

Thanks

-Rob


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question

2002-12-24 Thread Jon Carnes

On Tue, 2002-12-24 at 11:01, Rob Jolliffe wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On 24 Dec 2002 at 10:30, Jon Carnes wrote:
> 
> Subject:      Re: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question
> From: Jon Carnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Copies to:Mailman users Mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date sent:24 Dec 2002 10:30:20 -0500
> 
> > The way Mailman works by default is that it will break the message out
> > by domain.  Thus it will send one message to each domain - up to a
> > maximum of 100 folks at one domain, this is set in
> > ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py. 
> 
> Thanks for the reply.  You say "by default."  Does this mean that it can be 
> configured to NOT break messages into the domains and let the SMTP server do 
> that instead?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> -Rob

In this case, the "non-default" is to break out the messages by
individual sender (what they now call personalization mode).

For your use, default should work okay.  Also, you should setup Sendmail
(or whatever MTA you are using) to use your ISP's Mail service as a
"smart relay".  That way, mailman will break out all the messages via
domain and send one message to each domain.

Each Mailing list message will be dropped off with your MTA (the local
Sendmail install).  Sendmail will see that the messages are not local
and forward them to your ISP's Mail service.  Your ISP will receive the
messages and do all the heavy lifting of DNS look-ups and different Mail
server communications.

Enjoy!

Jon Carnes

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question

2002-12-24 Thread Rob Jolliffe

Hi Jon,

Thanks to you and everyone for your answers.  I think I've got more or less 
the information I wanted.  Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.

-Rob

On 24 Dec 2002 at 11:58, Jon Carnes wrote:

> On Tue, 2002-12-24 at 11:01, Rob Jolliffe wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > On 24 Dec 2002 at 10:30, Jon Carnes wrote:
> > 
> > > The way Mailman works by default is that it will break the message out
> > > by domain.  Thus it will send one message to each domain - up to a
> > > maximum of 100 folks at one domain, this is set in
> > > ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py. 
> > 
> > Thanks for the reply.  You say "by default."  Does this mean that it can be 
> > configured to NOT break messages into the domains and let the SMTP server do 
> > that instead?
> > 
> > Thanks
> > 
> > -Rob
> 
> In this case, the "non-default" is to break out the messages by
> individual sender (what they now call personalization mode).
> 
> For your use, default should work okay.  Also, you should setup Sendmail
> (or whatever MTA you are using) to use your ISP's Mail service as a
> "smart relay".  That way, mailman will break out all the messages via
> domain and send one message to each domain.
> 
> Each Mailing list message will be dropped off with your MTA (the local
> Sendmail install).  Sendmail will see that the messages are not local
> and forward them to your ISP's Mail service.  Your ISP will receive the
> messages and do all the heavy lifting of DNS look-ups and different Mail
> server communications.
> 
> Enjoy!
> 
> Jon Carnes
> 
> 


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question

2002-12-24 Thread J C Lawrence

On Tue, 24 Dec 2002 10:59:39 -0500 
Rob Jolliffe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> My QoS is low.  99% should be fine.  99.9% would be fantastic.  This
> is a volunteer list.

QoS in this sense is the latency between a message starting to be
broadcast and all copies to non-slow MXes delivered.

> Here's a simple question I hope.  If I pass-through my messages to an
> external SMTP server - does Mailman do the parsing of the messages
> into the different MX domains or does it leave that up to the SMTP
> server?  

Mailman does no parsing or processing of mail beyond adding list
specific headers and attaching bundles of RCPT TO addresses to messages
as it passes them to the MTA.

> In other words does it send the SMTP server 10 messages with 100
> addresses (for 1000 user list), or does it pre-parse the list into
> domains and then send them?

The former.

> 5 minutes is a starting point, but not necessarily what we will
> ultimately settle for.

For that sort of problem domain I'd be happy with an hour or less.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] newbie question

2003-07-10 Thread Jon Carnes

Hay Ed,

What version of Mailman are you using?  Guessing that you are using a
recent version, you should be able to set the Mailing host (as opposed
to the Web host) separate within the configuration file:
  ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py

You would be setting up a virtual domain since the address is different
from the default.

The kids are calling so I've got to be running!  Good Luck - Jon
 
On Thu, 2003-07-10 at 10:25, Ed Hill wrote:
> Hi folks,
> 
> I've setup mailman for a low-traffic public list and, while all the
> mails seem to get through just fine, I'm having one nagging little
> problem.  I'd like the Reply-To: address to point to: 
> 
>   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> but mails sent from the list appear to be from:
> 
>   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> in spite of my efforts to specify the Return-To: settings through the
> mailman admin tools.
> 
> For instance, heres part of a header:
> 
> Received: from onyx.he.net (onyx.he.net [216.218.161.2]) by
> forge.lcs.mit.edu (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6AEFXMf018850 for
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 10:15:33 -0400
> Received: from eaps-dhcp-131.lcs.mit.edu (eaps-dhcp-131.lcs.mit.edu
> [18.24.3.131]) by onyx.he.net (8.8.6p2003-03-31/8.8.2) with ESMTP id
> HAA05609 for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 07:15:33
> -0700
> 
> and it appears from this that sendmail is changing the Reply-To:
> address.
> 
> Any suggestions on how I can fix this?
> 
> thanks!
> Ed
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Re: [Mailman-Users] newbie question

2003-07-10 Thread Ed Hill

On Thu, 2003-07-10 at 11:33, Jon Carnes wrote:
> Hay Ed,
> 
> What version of Mailman are you using?  Guessing that you are using a
> recent version, you should be able to set the Mailing host (as opposed
> to the Web host) separate within the configuration file:
>   ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py

Hi Jon,

Thanks for responding!  I'm using mailman-2.1.2-2 as shipped with RH 9
and the machine has the name "forge.lcs.mit.edu" with a CNAME of
"dev.mitgcm.org" pointing to the same IP address.  Through the Mailman
admin web interface I set the Reply-To: address as
"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" and in the Mailman config file I set:

  DEFAULT_URL_HOST   = 'dev.mitgcm.org'
  DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'dev.mitgcm.org'

and also in sendmail.mc I used:

  MASQUERADE_AS(`dev.mitgcm.org')dnl
  FEATURE(allmasquerade)dnl
  FEATURE(masquerade_envelope)dnl
  FEATURE(masquerade_entire_domain)dnl
  MASQUERADE_DOMAIN(forge.lcs.mit.edu)dnl
  MASQUERADE_DOMAIN(dev.mitgcm.org)dnl

and made sure to run the sendmail.cf--rebuild command and restart all
daemons.  But after all that the emails from the list still arrive at my
inbox with To: and Reply-To: addresses of
"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" when what I'd prefer is 
"[EMAIL PROTECTED]".  Its really just an annoyance since the
list emails seem to go to all the right places -- I just want the
different fqdn in the To: and Reply-To: headers.

So I'm stumped.  What config-file invocation am I missing?

> You would be setting up a virtual domain since the address is different
> from the default.
> 
> The kids are calling so I've got to be running!  Good Luck - Jon

Thanks again and I hope things are going well in NC!  ;-)

Ed

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Re: [Mailman-Users] newbie question

2003-07-10 Thread Jon Carnes

Ahh, the list was already created before you did all this right? 

You'll have to use a special fix_url script on your list (or delete and
recreate the list). The script is found in ~mailman/bin/..

Life in NC is fun (as usual).  You are missed.  Hope you're having fun
in my old haunts up in Cambridge!

Take care - Jon

On Thu, 2003-07-10 at 14:12, Ed Hill wrote:
> On Thu, 2003-07-10 at 11:33, Jon Carnes wrote:
> > Hay Ed,
> > 
> > What version of Mailman are you using?  Guessing that you are using a
> > recent version, you should be able to set the Mailing host (as opposed
> > to the Web host) separate within the configuration file:
> >   ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py
> 
> Hi Jon,
> 
> Thanks for responding!  I'm using mailman-2.1.2-2 as shipped with RH 9
> and the machine has the name "forge.lcs.mit.edu" with a CNAME of
> "dev.mitgcm.org" pointing to the same IP address.  Through the Mailman
> admin web interface I set the Reply-To: address as
> "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" and in the Mailman config file I set:
> 
>   DEFAULT_URL_HOST   = 'dev.mitgcm.org'
>   DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'dev.mitgcm.org'
> 
> and also in sendmail.mc I used:
> 
>   MASQUERADE_AS(`dev.mitgcm.org')dnl
>   FEATURE(allmasquerade)dnl
>   FEATURE(masquerade_envelope)dnl
>   FEATURE(masquerade_entire_domain)dnl
>   MASQUERADE_DOMAIN(forge.lcs.mit.edu)dnl
>   MASQUERADE_DOMAIN(dev.mitgcm.org)dnl
> 
> and made sure to run the sendmail.cf--rebuild command and restart all
> daemons.  But after all that the emails from the list still arrive at my
> inbox with To: and Reply-To: addresses of
> "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" when what I'd prefer is 
> "[EMAIL PROTECTED]".  Its really just an annoyance since the
> list emails seem to go to all the right places -- I just want the
> different fqdn in the To: and Reply-To: headers.
> 
> So I'm stumped.  What config-file invocation am I missing?
> 
> 
> > You would be setting up a virtual domain since the address is different
> > from the default.
> > 
> > The kids are calling so I've got to be running!  Good Luck - Jon
> 
> Thanks again and I hope things are going well in NC!  ;-)
> 
> Ed
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Re: [Mailman-Users] newbie question

2003-07-10 Thread Brad Knowles

At 2:12 PM -0400 2003/07/10, Ed Hill wrote:

 Thanks for responding!  I'm using mailman-2.1.2-2 as shipped with RH 9
 and the machine has the name "forge.lcs.mit.edu" with a CNAME of
 "dev.mitgcm.org" pointing to the same IP address.
	Therein lies the problem.  RFC 822 (and 2822) require that all 
CNAME aliases be resolved to their canonical name, before being put 
in mail headers.  This problem cannot be solved by mailman, or your 
MTA.  You need to fix your DNS.  Make dev.mitgcm.org directly resolve 
to the same IP address as forge.lcs.mit.edu, and that should do it.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] newbie question

2003-07-11 Thread Ed Hill

On Thu, 2003-07-10 at 18:30, Brad Knowles wrote:
> At 2:12 PM -0400 2003/07/10, Ed Hill wrote:
> 
> >  Thanks for responding!  I'm using mailman-2.1.2-2 as shipped with RH 9
> >  and the machine has the name "forge.lcs.mit.edu" with a CNAME of
> >  "dev.mitgcm.org" pointing to the same IP address.
> 
>   Therein lies the problem.  RFC 822 (and 2822) require that all 
> CNAME aliases be resolved to their canonical name, before being put 
> in mail headers.  This problem cannot be solved by mailman, or your 
> MTA.  You need to fix your DNS.  Make dev.mitgcm.org directly resolve 
> to the same IP address as forge.lcs.mit.edu, and that should do it.



Thank you!!!

Changing the DNS from a CNAME to an A record did indeed fix it.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] newbie question

2003-07-12 Thread Brad Knowles

At 12:20 PM -0400 2003/07/11, Ed Hill wrote:

 Changing the DNS from a CNAME to an A record did indeed fix it.
	Actually, this is a fairly typical problem.  If you're using 
sendmail, this is covered in the FAQ, see 
.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question

2004-03-02 Thread Jon Carnes

On Tue, 2004-03-02 at 02:56, Key Dof wrote:
> Hi,
>   I am newbie in mailing lists, i want to know if it's possible to make
> mailman run on the same main mail server, or it must be on a separate
> machine, and if it's possible, how can it be configured.
> Thanks
> 
If your main mail server is unix-ish then Mailman will run fine there. 
You'll also need a web-server running on the server (for administration
and maintenance of your lists).

For further help on installation see the docs at:
  http://www.list.org/docs.html

And for special concerns, see the Frequently Asked Questions at:
  http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

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2004-03-02 Thread Key Dof

Thanks a lot for you reply, in fact my question wasn't about the
possibility of being installed (as servers) but it's about the fact of
interacting, ie: when an email arrives to the server, if it knows where
to deliver it (a user or mailman).
If you confirm that it can be done, i will install it and go reading the
docs, but if it is impossible because it's either a user delivery or a
mailing list delivery, than i will have to start installing another
machine.
Thanks again

On Tue, 2004-03-02 at 15:00, Jon Carnes wrote:
> On Tue, 2004-03-02 at 02:56, Key Dof wrote:
> > Hi,
> >   I am newbie in mailing lists, i want to know if it's possible to make
> > mailman run on the same main mail server, or it must be on a separate
> > machine, and if it's possible, how can it be configured.
> > Thanks
> > 
> If your main mail server is unix-ish then Mailman will run fine there. 
> You'll also need a web-server running on the server (for administration
> and maintenance of your lists).
> 
> For further help on installation see the docs at:
>   http://www.list.org/docs.html
> 
> And for special concerns, see the Frequently Asked Questions at:
>   http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question

2004-03-02 Thread Jon Carnes

On Tue, 2004-03-02 at 09:12, Key Dof wrote:
> Thanks a lot for you reply, in fact my question wasn't about the
> possibility of being installed (as servers) but it's about the fact of
> interacting, ie: when an email arrives to the server, if it knows where
> to deliver it (a user or mailman).
> If you confirm that it can be done, i will install it and go reading the
> docs, but if it is impossible because it's either a user delivery or a
> mailing list delivery, than i will have to start installing another
> machine.
> Thanks again
> 
Mailman uses the aliases file. Each mailing list adds several aliases to
the aliases file. The only real user you need to add to the machine is
one that is specifically setup to run the applications.  The name of
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question

2004-03-03 Thread Jon Carnes

The aliases from Mailman point to an application.  So all mail going to
a list is handed to Mailman's posting application and the application
will either hold the post or pass it out to the list (depending on the
rules you have setup for the list).

HtH - Jon Carnes

On Wed, 2004-03-03 at 03:19, Key Dof wrote:
> Ok, but using the alias file, how will it stop the delivery to a list
> from an unsubscribed user?
> 
> On Tue, 2004-03-02 at 17:53, Jon Carnes wrote:
> > On Tue, 2004-03-02 at 09:12, Key Dof wrote:
> > > Thanks a lot for you reply, in fact my question wasn't about the
> > > possibility of being installed (as servers) but it's about the fact of
> > > interacting, ie: when an email arrives to the server, if it knows where
> > > to deliver it (a user or mailman).
> > > If you confirm that it can be done, i will install it and go reading the
> > > docs, but if it is impossible because it's either a user delivery or a
> > > mailing list delivery, than i will have to start installing another
> > > machine.
> > > Thanks again
> > > 
> > Mailman uses the aliases file. Each mailing list adds several aliases to
> > the aliases file. The only real user you need to add to the machine is
> > one that is specifically setup to run the applications.  The name of
> > that user is normally "mailman".
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question

2004-03-04 Thread Key Dof

Ok, thanks, i will go for it and ask again if i'll have a blocking
point.

On Wed, 2004-03-03 at 14:14, Jon Carnes wrote:
> The aliases from Mailman point to an application.  So all mail going to
> a list is handed to Mailman's posting application and the application
> will either hold the post or pass it out to the list (depending on the
> rules you have setup for the list).
> 
> HtH - Jon Carnes
> 
> On Wed, 2004-03-03 at 03:19, Key Dof wrote:
> > Ok, but using the alias file, how will it stop the delivery to a list
> > from an unsubscribed user?
> > 
> > On Tue, 2004-03-02 at 17:53, Jon Carnes wrote:
> > > On Tue, 2004-03-02 at 09:12, Key Dof wrote:
> > > > Thanks a lot for you reply, in fact my question wasn't about the
> > > > possibility of being installed (as servers) but it's about the fact of
> > > > interacting, ie: when an email arrives to the server, if it knows where
> > > > to deliver it (a user or mailman).
> > > > If you confirm that it can be done, i will install it and go reading the
> > > > docs, but if it is impossible because it's either a user delivery or a
> > > > mailing list delivery, than i will have to start installing another
> > > > machine.
> > > > Thanks again
> > > > 
> > > Mailman uses the aliases file. Each mailing list adds several aliases to
> > > the aliases file. The only real user you need to add to the machine is
> > > one that is specifically setup to run the applications.  The name of
> > > that user is normally "mailman".
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Re: [Mailman-Users] newbie question

2004-03-10 Thread Jon Carnes

Did you stop and restart Apache?

Does Apache give you any errors with regards to your added lines in
httpd.conf?
 
On Wed, 2004-03-10 at 00:50, Jim Chivas wrote:
> Greetings:
> 
> I have search the archives and checked the faq but I still would like to
> get someones assistance for my instal on Sun SOlaris version 7.
> 
> It should be a pretty simple solution but I can't see it.
> 
> Near the end of the install I am asked to create the 'mailman' system
> list. I did this successfully. The email that was returned to me says I
> can now configure this new list by accessing:
> 
> 
> http://my-server-name/mailman/admin/mailman
> 
> 
> In the following install layout I don't see any file or directory below
> the admin file in the cgi-bin area.
> 
> When I do this or any other access I receive the famous:
> 
> 'file not' found page in my browser.
> 
> Did I miss something during the install?
> 
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Jim
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> My apache server configs are:
> 
> 
> ScriptAlias   /mailman/   "/usr/local/mailmain/cgi-bin/"
> 
> 
> #
> 
> AllowOverride None
> Options   None
> Order allow,deny
> Allow fromall
> 
> 
> 
> 
> While my install layout is:
> 
> 
> # pwd
> /usr/local/mailman
> # ls -al cgi-bin
> 
> 
> total 796
> drwxrwsr-x   2 mailman  mailman  512 Mar  2 21:42 .
> drwxrwsr-x  20 mailman  mailman  512 Mar  3 22:13 ..
> -rwxr-sr-x   1 mailman  mailman36456 Mar  2 21:42 admin
> -rwxr-sr-x   1 mailman  mailman36460 Mar  2 21:42 admindb
> -rwxr-sr-x   1 mailman  mailman36460 Mar  2 21:42 confirm
> -rwxr-sr-x   1 mailman  mailman36460 Mar  2 21:42 create
> -rwxr-sr-x   1 mailman  mailman36468 Mar  2 21:42 edithtml
> -rwxr-sr-x   1 mailman  mailman36468 Mar  2 21:42 listinfo
> -rwxr-sr-x   1 mailman  mailman36460 Mar  2 21:42 options
> -rwxr-sr-x   1 mailman  mailman36460 Mar  2 21:42 private
> -rwxr-sr-x   1 mailman  mailman36460 Mar  2 21:42 rmlist
> -rwxr-sr-x   1 mailman  mailman36460 Mar  2 21:42 roster
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Re: [Mailman-Users] newbie question

2004-03-10 Thread Jim Chivas

On 10 Mar 2004, Jon Carnes wrote:

> Did you stop and restart Apache?

yes.
>
> Does Apache give you any errors with regards to your added lines in
> httpd.conf?

None.

Is this the correct url ?

http://my-server-name/mailman/admin/mailman

Does my install directory look correct?


Thanks

Jim


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> On Wed, 2004-03-10 at 00:50, Jim Chivas wrote:
> > Greetings:
> >
> > I have search the archives and checked the faq but I still would like to
> > get someones assistance for my instal on Sun SOlaris version 7.
> >
> > It should be a pretty simple solution but I can't see it.
> >
> > Near the end of the install I am asked to create the 'mailman' system
> > list. I did this successfully. The email that was returned to me says I
> > can now configure this new list by accessing:
> >
> >
> > http://my-server-name/mailman/admin/mailman
> >
> >
> > In the following install layout I don't see any file or directory below
> > the admin file in the cgi-bin area.
> >
> > When I do this or any other access I receive the famous:
> >
> > 'file not' found page in my browser.
> >
> > Did I miss something during the install?
> >
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Jim
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > My apache server configs are:
> >
> >
> > ScriptAlias /mailman/   "/usr/local/mailmain/cgi-bin/"
> >
> >
> > #
> > 
> > AllowOverride   None
> > Options None
> > Order   allow,deny
> > Allow   fromall
> > 
> >
> >
> >
> > While my install layout is:
> >
> >
> > # pwd
> > /usr/local/mailman
> > # ls -al cgi-bin
> >
> >
> > total 796
> > drwxrwsr-x   2 mailman  mailman  512 Mar  2 21:42 .
> > drwxrwsr-x  20 mailman  mailman  512 Mar  3 22:13 ..
> > -rwxr-sr-x   1 mailman  mailman36456 Mar  2 21:42 admin
> > -rwxr-sr-x   1 mailman  mailman36460 Mar  2 21:42 admindb
> > -rwxr-sr-x   1 mailman  mailman36460 Mar  2 21:42 confirm
> > -rwxr-sr-x   1 mailman  mailman36460 Mar  2 21:42 create
> > -rwxr-sr-x   1 mailman  mailman36468 Mar  2 21:42 edithtml
> > -rwxr-sr-x   1 mailman  mailman36468 Mar  2 21:42 listinfo
> > -rwxr-sr-x   1 mailman  mailman36460 Mar  2 21:42 options
> > -rwxr-sr-x   1 mailman  mailman36460 Mar  2 21:42 private
> > -rwxr-sr-x   1 mailman  mailman36460 Mar  2 21:42 rmlist
> > -rwxr-sr-x   1 mailman  mailman36460 Mar  2 21:42 roster
> > -rwxr-sr-x   1 mailman  mailman36468 Mar  2 21:42 subscribe
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Re: [Mailman-Users] newbie question

2004-03-10 Thread Jon Carnes

On Wed, 2004-03-10 at 12:53, Jim Chivas wrote:
> On 10 Mar 2004, Jon Carnes wrote:
> 
> > Did you stop and restart Apache?
> 
> yes.
> >
> > Does Apache give you any errors with regards to your added lines in
> > httpd.conf?
> 
> None.
> 
> Is this the correct url ?
> 
> http://my-server-name/mailman/admin/mailman

should be fine as long as your servers domain name is "my-server-name"
:-)

> Does my install directory look correct?
> 

In my installs I don't use the  directive to define Apache's
access for the local directories. I just have the ScriptAlias point
there.

Leave the ScriptAlias but comment out this stuff and then restart Apache
 
   AllowOverride   None
   Options None
   Order   allow,deny
   Allow   fromall
 

It may be that if you define the Directory that you must specify
"ExecCGI" in the Options statement (and not "None").

Good Luck - Jon Carnes

> Thanks
> 
> Jim
> 
> 
> >
> > On Wed, 2004-03-10 at 00:50, Jim Chivas wrote:
> > > Greetings:
> > >
> > > I have search the archives and checked the faq but I still would like to
> > > get someones assistance for my instal on Sun SOlaris version 7.
> > >
> > > It should be a pretty simple solution but I can't see it.
> > >
> > > Near the end of the install I am asked to create the 'mailman' system
> > > list. I did this successfully. The email that was returned to me says I
> > > can now configure this new list by accessing:
> > >
> > >
> > > http://my-server-name/mailman/admin/mailman
> > >
> > >
> > > In the following install layout I don't see any file or directory below
> > > the admin file in the cgi-bin area.
> > >
> > > When I do this or any other access I receive the famous:
> > >
> > > 'file not' found page in my browser.
> > >
> > > Did I miss something during the install?
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > Jim
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > My apache server configs are:
> > >
> > >
> > > ScriptAlias   /mailman/   "/usr/local/mailmain/cgi-bin/"
> > >
> > >
> > > #
> > > 
> > > AllowOverride None
> > > Options   None
> > > Order allow,deny
> > > Allow fromall
> > > 
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > While my install layout is:
> > >
> > >
> > > # pwd
> > > /usr/local/mailman
> > > # ls -al cgi-bin
> > >
> > >
> > > total 796
> > > drwxrwsr-x   2 mailman  mailman  512 Mar  2 21:42 .
> > > drwxrwsr-x  20 mailman  mailman  512 Mar  3 22:13 ..
> > > -rwxr-sr-x   1 mailman  mailman36456 Mar  2 21:42 admin
> > > -rwxr-sr-x   1 mailman  mailman36460 Mar  2 21:42 admindb
> > > -rwxr-sr-x   1 mailman  mailman36460 Mar  2 21:42 confirm
> > > -rwxr-sr-x   1 mailman  mailman36460 Mar  2 21:42 create
> > > -rwxr-sr-x   1 mailman  mailman36468 Mar  2 21:42 edithtml
> > > -rwxr-sr-x   1 mailman  mailman36468 Mar  2 21:42 listinfo
> > > -rwxr-sr-x   1 mailman  mailman36460 Mar  2 21:42 options
> > > -rwxr-sr-x   1 mailman  mailman36460 Mar  2 21:42 private
> > > -rwxr-sr-x   1 mailman  mailman36460 Mar  2 21:42 rmlist
> > > -rwxr-sr-x   1 mailman  mailman36460 Mar  2 21:42 roster
> > > -rwxr-sr-x   1 mailman  mailman36468 Mar  2 21:42 subscribe
> > > #
> > >
> > >
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Re: [Mailman-Users] newbie question

2004-03-24 Thread Jim Chivas

I double checked the information you suggested below. I did your
suggestion and it works ok.

Now new question.

I am following the mailman doc to create my first list ex:

http://my.dom.ain:8080/mailman/create

Note the port number!

The screen comes up and I put in the data requested but when I click on
create I receive the 'mailman/create' page can't be found plus the URL in
my browser does not keep the port# 8080 in its path. I am assuming this is
my trouble.

To correct this I added

DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'pipeline.langara.bc.ca:8080'

to my mm_cfg.py file at the end.

I then stopped and started mailmanctl.

When I try again the url still keeps loosing the port# 8080 from the URL.

Referencing the following list off the create page returns similar no
port# url as follows.

http://pipeline.langara.bc.ca/mailman/admin (overview)

http://pipeline.langara.bc.ca/mailman/listinfo (list overview)

Can you offer any suggestions on how to keep the port# in the URL's for
mailman?

Thanks

Jim

On 10 Mar 2004, Jon Carnes wrote:

> On Wed, 2004-03-10 at 12:53, Jim Chivas wrote:
> > On 10 Mar 2004, Jon Carnes wrote:
> >
> > > Did you stop and restart Apache?
> >
> > yes.
> > >
> > > Does Apache give you any errors with regards to your added lines in
> > > httpd.conf?
> >
> > None.
> >
> > Is this the correct url ?
> >
> > http://my-server-name/mailman/admin/mailman
>
> should be fine as long as your servers domain name is "my-server-name"
> :-)
>
> > Does my install directory look correct?
> >
>
> In my installs I don't use the  directive to define Apache's
> access for the local directories. I just have the ScriptAlias point
> there.
>
> Leave the ScriptAlias but comment out this stuff and then restart Apache
>  
>AllowOverride   None
>Options None
>Order   allow,deny
>Allow   fromall
>  
>
> It may be that if you define the Directory that you must specify
> "ExecCGI" in the Options statement (and not "None").
>
> Good Luck - Jon Carnes
>
> > Thanks
> >
> > Jim
> >
> >

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Re: [Mailman-Users] newbie question

2004-03-24 Thread Richard Barrett

On 25 Mar 2004, at 05:09, Jim Chivas wrote:

I double checked the information you suggested below. I did your
suggestion and it works ok.
Now new question.

I am following the mailman doc to create my first list ex:

http://my.dom.ain:8080/mailman/create
  
Note the port number!
The screen comes up and I put in the data requested but when I click on
create I receive the 'mailman/create' page can't be found plus the URL 
in
my browser does not keep the port# 8080 in its path. I am assuming 
this is
my trouble.

To correct this I added

DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'pipeline.langara.bc.ca:8080'

to my mm_cfg.py file at the end.

I then stopped and started mailmanctl.

When I try again the url still keeps loosing the port# 8080 from the 
URL.

Referencing the following list off the create page returns similar no
port# url as follows.
http://pipeline.langara.bc.ca/mailman/admin (overview)

http://pipeline.langara.bc.ca/mailman/listinfo (list overview)

Can you offer any suggestions on how to keep the port# in the URL's for
mailman?
See under the heading "Non-standard web server ports" in this FAQ entry:

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.029.htp

Thanks

Jim

On 10 Mar 2004, Jon Carnes wrote:

On Wed, 2004-03-10 at 12:53, Jim Chivas wrote:
On 10 Mar 2004, Jon Carnes wrote:

Did you stop and restart Apache?
yes.
Does Apache give you any errors with regards to your added lines in
httpd.conf?
None.

Is this the correct url ?

http://my-server-name/mailman/admin/mailman
should be fine as long as your servers domain name is "my-server-name"
:-)
Does my install directory look correct?

In my installs I don't use the  directive to define 
Apache's
access for the local directories. I just have the ScriptAlias point
there.

Leave the ScriptAlias but comment out this stuff and then restart 
Apache
 
   AllowOverride   None
   Options None
   Order   allow,deny
   Allow   fromall
 

It may be that if you define the Directory that you must specify
"ExecCGI" in the Options statement (and not "None").
Good Luck - Jon Carnes

Thanks

Jim


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Re: [Mailman-Users] newbie question

2004-03-25 Thread Jon Carnes

On Thu, 2004-03-25 at 00:09, Jim Chivas wrote:
> I double checked the information you suggested below. I did your
> suggestion and it works ok.
> 
> Now new question.
> 
> I am following the mailman doc to create my first list ex:
> 
> http://my.dom.ain:8080/mailman/create
>   
> Note the port number!
> 
> 
> The screen comes up and I put in the data requested but when I click on
> create I receive the 'mailman/create' page can't be found plus the URL in
> my browser does not keep the port# 8080 in its path. I am assuming this is
> my trouble.
> 
> To correct this I added
> 
> DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'pipeline.langara.bc.ca:8080'

This will not work. Default_URL_Host is simply the hostname. The way
Mailman treats this variable makes it so that you *must* instead make
the change in:
   DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s/mailman/'

In your case I think this will work:
   DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s:8080/mailman/'

> 
> to my mm_cfg.py file at the end.
> 
> I then stopped and started mailmanctl.
> 
> When I try again the url still keeps loosing the port# 8080 from the URL.
> 
> 
> Referencing the following list off the create page returns similar no
> port# url as follows.
> 
> 
> http://pipeline.langara.bc.ca/mailman/admin (overview)
> 
> http://pipeline.langara.bc.ca/mailman/listinfo (list overview)
> 
> 
> Can you offer any suggestions on how to keep the port# in the URL's for
> mailman?
> 
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Jim
> 

Give that a try, Jim.

Note: I believe that your existing lists will already have the old URL
stored in their database (config.pck) - so you will need to either
recreate the lists (after making the above change) or you will have to
use "withlist" to modify the url inside the existing lists databases.

Good Luck - Jon Carnes


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Newbie Question

2008-08-28 Thread Mark Sapiro

Colin Robinson wrote:
> Hey guys, I'm looking to create some kind of online mailing list for
> my office. I am a self taught it person so my knowledge is some what
> limited. I am capable of learning some simple programs on my own
> (FrontPage, web expressions, Photoshop...) but really don't know the
> hard core stuff. That being said is this program the type of thing I
> would stand a chance at learning on my own knowing that I know
> nothing about Python?

In order to install Mailman, you need a computer with both a mail server
and a web server, and your mail server needs to be properly configured
in order for many ISPs to accept your mail (although if it's all intra
office, this may not be an issue). In addition, some experience with
*nix system administration and software installation is probably required.

Unless I misunderstand your skill set and environment, if you need the
kinds of capabilities Mailman provides, you should consider a hosted
service. See .
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Newbie Question

2008-08-29 Thread Brad Knowles


Colin Robinson wrote:


Hey guys, I'm looking to create some kind of online mailing list for my
office. I am a self taught it person so my knowledge is some what
limited. I am capable of learning some simple programs on my own
(FrontPage, web expressions, Photoshop...) but really don't know the hard
core stuff. That being said is this program the type of thing I would
stand a chance at learning on my own knowing that I know nothing about
Python?


You don't need to know how to program in order to use Mailman, regardless of 
what languages you may or may not know.  If you want to make changes to the 
way that Mailman works, you may need to know how to program in Python (or be 
able to learn).


However, Barry Warsaw, Mark Sapiro, and Tokio Kikuchi (among many others) 
have worked very hard to make Mailman a very full-featured program in this 
space, so we would hope that there would be no need for most people to learn 
to program in Python.



But if you want to learn how to program in Python, you could certainly 
choose to take Mailman as a project on which to start learning.


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[Mailman-Users] Newbie question(s).

2006-04-25 Thread William D. Tallman

I'm subscribed here to get some answers about email list software in
general, and hopefully some continuing questions about Mailman in
particular.  So I may be gone shortly, depending on what I discover
here.

I am considering setting up an email list server for possibly more than
one local email discussion list.  But I'm not clear on how that can be
done, or whether or not it is indeed possible.  Hence this post.

I'm (yet another) private computer user with a home LAN and an aDSL
gateway to an ISP.  I'm running Fetchmail/Sendmail/Procmail on my own
machine, which primarily means I can use any MUA at whim.  It also means
I've the potential to serve the LAN as well, though presently don't
(wife likes her own setup...)  And it also means I could cobble up a
simple email mirror to do the job, but it would be a limited hack.

What I want to do is run a real list server instead.  Thought of
majordomo but was set straight on the currently much better regarded
Mailman, which is why I'm asking here.  So, the question:

Is it possible to run a server behind a gateway and through an ISP?

Fetchmail can service list mailboxes easily enough, and Sendmail can do
transport duty both ways.  But in order that my machine's hostname is
not carried beyond the gateway, I have to use the Sendmail '-f' switch.
Simple enough.

Don't know whether or not Mailman can be configured to accept messages
from Fetchmail, and/or to pass outgoing to Sendmail, however.

If I set up Mailman on my machine, it will (I presume) regard it's own
address as that of the machine, an address only valid on my LAN.  I
suppose the question is whether or not I can set up reliable address
translation for the outgoing smtp stuff, but I'm a relative newbie at
all this and would sure like to know what is or is not feasible/possible
before I get all bogged down and over my head.

Is this post clear enough for a substantive response, or do I need to
clarify anything?

Thanks for reading,

Bill Tallman

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Re: [Mailman-Users] newbie question

2005-01-21 Thread Brad Knowles

At 4:27 PM -0600 2005-01-20, C. Jon Hinkle wrote:
 In either instance, how do I account for worthwhile replies that would
 be beneficial for the entire list to see?
	Generally speaking, munging the Reply-To: header is considered to 
be a bad idea -- See 
.

	That said, for certain types of lists, it may make sense to do 
this sort of thing.  Lists where that is more appropriate tend to be 
ones that are run internally to an organization, and where you can 
make an across-the-board decision like this and do so with the 
approval of management.

 Am I taking the wrong tack here?  Is this better done with something
 like default_member_moderation?  I could set the flag to off for the 30
 and on for the rest and then set the action to Hold.  Then, if the
 posting/reply was worth seeing on the list, it could be approved by a
 single moderator, and if not then it gets rejected and the poster gets a
 notice.
	That's the path I would be inclined to take.  You can choose 
which people get their moderation bit turned off, so that they can 
post directly.  Everyone else gets moderated, and you have a small 
team of people who do the work of eliminating the wheat from the 
chaff.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] newbie question

2005-01-21 Thread JC Dill

C. Jon Hinkle wrote:
I have been "selected" to set up a Mailman system to communicate with
roughly 140 users.  I have exactly zero experience with this kind of
endevor, although I am not totally techno-challenged.
I need to set about 30 of the users to be able to post and reply at
will.  The rest should be able to post and reply, but with some limits. 
For instance, if someone posts something useful, we don't want 130
postings back to the list saying "Wow!  That's cool!"  Given the
user-level of many of the 110 with limited rights, such a scenario is
well within the realm of possiblity.  These are the same people who
reply to a Department-wide announcement by hitting the "Reply All"
button.

In any event, I can see from the List Admin manual that I can set up
moderators and they would have full rights and set the rest as users and
make their replies be moderated, but having 30 moderators seems
unwieldy.  For instance, who would actually moderate the postings from
the 110?
 

I would set the list up like this:
General options:
   strip reply-to:   yes
   reply goes to:   poster
   list moderator email addresses:  add 2 or 3 moderators here
Privacy options:
  Sender filters:
  By default, should new list member postings be moderated?:   yes
  List of non-member addresses whose postings should be 
automatically accepted.:  Add any additional "always accept" addresses 
(if any of your 30 "full rights" members may be occasionally sending 
from alternate addresses) here.

When you add your 110 members, set them all to moderated except for your 
30 members who should have "full rights", they will be set to 
unmoderated status.  You could do this in 2 batches, set the list so 
that new members are not moderated and add your 30 "full rights" 
members, then set your list so that new members are moderated and add 
the remaining members.  Then the new members going forward will also be 
set to moderated by default, and you can unmoderate them as needed.

If I set first_strip_reply_to to YES and then set reply_goes_to_List to
POSTER, the reply would go to the original poster, but not to the entire
list?  Is that different than setting first_strip_reply_to to NO and
having the original reply-to be in force?
 

I can set my reply-to with the list address (as I have in this email).  
When mailman doesn't strip the reply-to (and it doesn't on this list) 
replies go back to the list instead of to the poster.  Of course, your 
typical "Wow! That's cool!" user isn't going to know how to do that.

In either instance, how do I account for worthwhile replies that would
be beneficial for the entire list to see?
 

You need several moderators who can approve the held messages in a 
timely manner.  I help moderate several lists (mailman-users is one of 
them :-) and have found that you need three or more people who check 
email several times a day to keep the moderated posts from piling up and 
to ensure that they get approved and posted (or rejected) in a timely 
manner.  Also remember that people get busy, take vacations, etc. so any 
list needs *at least* two moderators if you want to ensure that held 
messages are processed promptly.

Am I taking the wrong tack here?  Is this better done with something
like default_member_moderation?  I could set the flag to off for the 30
and on for the rest and then set the action to Hold. 

Bingo.
Then, if the
posting/reply was worth seeing on the list, it could be approved by a
single moderator, and if not then it gets rejected and the poster gets a
notice.
 

Also consider if your list will need more than one single moderator, and 
remember to set new members to moderated status by default - it's *much* 
better to change them to unmoderated after you see that they have clue 
than to have to set them to moderated after they have posted one or more 
"Hey, that's cool!" posts back to the whole list.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] newbie question

2005-01-21 Thread Mark Sapiro

C. Jon Hinkle wrote:
>
>In any event, I can see from the List Admin manual that I can set up
>moderators and they would have full rights and set the rest as users and
>make their replies be moderated, but having 30 moderators seems
>unwieldy.  For instance, who would actually moderate the postings from
>the 110?

This is a bit confusing and perhaps not well documented. The term
'moderator' is not really well defined. Putting a persons e-mail
address in the list's 'moderator' field only means that that person is
notified when posts are waiting moderator approval. Generally, only a
few people would be listed as owner or moderator. What enables a
person to actually approve posts is knowledge of the list's moderator
password. This is what actually enables a moderator to log in and
perform moderator actions.

Again, designating an address as a 'mdoerator' doesn't by itself confer
any rights. What you want is the 30 to be unmoderated and the 110 to
be moderated. Then any of the 30 can post without moderator approval.
Posts from the 110 have to be approved by someone who knows the list
admin or the list moderator password. The difference is the moderator
password only allows moderator actions. The admin password allows that
plus admin actions like mass subscribing and changing list settings.

>If I set first_strip_reply_to to YES and then set reply_goes_to_List to
>POSTER, the reply would go to the original poster, but not to the entire
>list?  Is that different than setting first_strip_reply_to to NO and
>having the original reply-to be in force?

Yes it's different and setting first_strip_reply_to to NO is better.
This way if the poster has set a Reply-To: which is different from her
From:, it won't be stripped and lost. In general, the only time you
might want first_strip_reply_to to be Yes is when you are setting
reply_goes_to_list to List.

>In either instance, how do I account for worthwhile replies that would
>be beneficial for the entire list to see?

The person replying decides by choosing 'reply' to reply to the poster
or 'reply all' or 'group reply' to reply to the poster and to the list.

>Am I taking the wrong tack here?  Is this better done with something
>like default_member_moderation?  I could set the flag to off for the 30
>and on for the rest and then set the action to Hold.  Then, if the
>posting/reply was worth seeing on the list, it could be approved by a
>single moderator, and if not then it gets rejected and the poster gets a
>notice.

default_member_moderation only determines whether new subscribers have
their moderation bit on to begin with or not. It has no effect on
existing subscribers. It is a list setting, not a per member setting.
The setting you want is the moderation bit per user as I indicated
above.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] newbie question

2005-01-21 Thread Brad Knowles

At 6:57 PM -0800 2005-01-21, JC Dill wrote:
 Also consider if your list will need more than one single moderator,
 and remember to set new members to moderated status by default - it's
 *much* better to change them to unmoderated after you see that they
 have clue than to have to set them to moderated after they have posted
 one or more "Hey, that's cool!" posts back to the whole list.
	One other note -- watch your maximum message size that you allow 
to be posted to the list, as well as the attachments and MIME 
bodypart types.

	If you have a list of 250 company employees, and some moron in 
marketing sends a 50MB PowerPoint presentation to the 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list, that works out to about 12GB of 
disk storage that you have to suddenly find to store all 250 copies 
of that 50MB attachment, and a hell of a lot of disk I/O to write all 
that out at once.

	I worked at a local ISP that had a mail server for 250,000 
customers that was completely nuked in this way by one of our own 
marketing dweebs, and the machine only had something like 8GB of disk 
space free.  The entire mail server was down for hours as I tried to 
clean things up and to purge all the bogus copies of that 
presentation.

	You can imagine how upset all the 250,000 customers were that the 
mail server was down.

Trust me, you don't want to have this happen to you.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] newbie question

2005-01-22 Thread Brad Knowles

At 8:09 AM -0600 2005-01-22, C. Jon Hinkle wrote:
 Anyway, I think I had come to about the same configuration that you all
 suggested, and it is nice to have confirmation that I'm thinking down
 the right track.  I hadn't thought about Brad's point about 130 large
 attachments, but it is a good one.  One of the things we were thinking
 about was a weekly distribution of a dozen 100K spreadsheets.  I guess
 that's out.
	100KB attachments are not likely to be too much of a problem. 
The mail systems I've administered recently have had an average 
message size of 60-120KB, so the kind of attachment you're talking 
about would fall completely within that range, and should be 
sustainable for multiple users for long periods of time.

	Of course, those were the mail systems I was administering, and 
this may or may not be true for your mail system.

	You need to look at what your mail system is able to handle, and 
decide what kind of load would be excessive.  This needs to be done 
in close concert with your mail system administrators.

But certainly, this is something that you need to keep an eye on.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] newbie question

2005-01-22 Thread C. Jon Hinkle

Thanks, everybody, for your responses.  I put it up yesterday with the
first dozen of the 30 added in the first wave.  I gave some of them full
rights and left the others moderated and played with it all afternoon. 
I hope my boss, who gave me the assignment thinks it was a productive
Friday afternoon.  ;^)

Anyway, I think I had come to about the same configuration that you all
suggested, and it is nice to have confirmation that I'm thinking down
the right track.  I hadn't thought about Brad's point about 130 large
attachments, but it is a good one.  One of the things we were thinking
about was a weekly distribution of a dozen 100K spreadsheets.  I guess
that's out.

Looks like I'll be spending some time lurking in this forum.  I'm not
shy about asking for help, so you'll probably hear from me again. 
Thanks for your help.
CJon

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>>> Brad Knowles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 01/21/05 8:26 PM >>>
At 4:27 PM -0600 2005-01-20, C. Jon Hinkle wrote:

>  In either instance, how do I account for worthwhile replies that
would
>  be beneficial for the entire list to see?

Generally speaking, munging the Reply-To: header is considered
to 
be a bad idea -- See 
.

That said, for certain types of lists, it may make sense to do 
this sort of thing.  Lists where that is more appropriate tend to be 
ones that are run internally to an organization, and where you can 
make an across-the-board decision like this and do so with the 
approval of management.

>  Am I taking the wrong tack here?  Is this better done with something
>  like default_member_moderation?  I could set the flag to off for the
30
>  and on for the rest and then set the action to Hold.  Then, if the
>  posting/reply was worth seeing on the list, it could be approved by a
>  single moderator, and if not then it gets rejected and the poster
gets a
>  notice.

That's the path I would be inclined to take.  You can choose 
which people get their moderation bit turned off, so that they can 
post directly.  Everyone else gets moderated, and you have a small 
team of people who do the work of eliminating the wheat from the 
chaff.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] newbie question

2005-02-01 Thread Mark Sapiro

Julie S. Lin wrote:
>
>can anyone point me in the right direction? I'm getting "no publicly
>advertised lists" via web interface, however when I run the cgi manually, I
>see my lists. i'm also unable to create a list via web interface

If you are not using multiple domains, set

VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW = Off

in mm_cfg.py. This will allow all public lists to appear on the
listinfo page regardless of whether the "host" of the web page matches
the "host" of the list.

Depending on what the error is that prevents your creating lists from
the web, it may fix that too. It will if the reason is that the "host"
of the create web page doesn't match any of the url hosts in the
VIRTUAL_HOSTS dictionary.

>i am also using a proxy in front of the
>mail server.

It may be that the proxy is causing the web page "host" name seen by
the software to be different from what you are using to access the
pages and causing these problems.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] newbie question

2005-03-03 Thread Brad Knowles

At 10:25 PM -0500 2005-03-02, Troy Williams wrote:
 I want to use Mailman and need to set it up quick.  What is the best
 resource for guiding me through the setup?  The hosting service I use is
 configured for it, all I need to do is provide the website but am having
 problems getting started.  Any suggestions?
	I recommend that you read the documentation at 
 for List Managers and Site 
Administrators, check the searchable FAQ Wizard at 
, and search the archives 
of the mailman-users mailing list as shown at 
.

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[Mailman-Users] newbie question -- sendmail errors

2002-10-22 Thread Dodson, Matthew

I am runnibg redhat 7.2 with the latest build of mailman. I receive the
following error from sendmail when I try to confirm a subscription. Sorry if
this has been answered before.

   - The following addresses had permanent fatal errors - 
|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd ops 
(reason: service unavailable) 
(expanded from: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) 

   - Transcript of session follows - 
smrsh: wrapper.mailcmd.ops not available for sendmail programs 
554 5.0.0 Service unavailable 


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[Mailman-Users] Newbie question? Maybe not.

2009-07-05 Thread Allen Sullivant


Greetings,

I administer a list provided by my organization's
hosting service.  I didn't have to install anything,
just "turn it on" and then set my parameters in the
administrative interface.

The last 48 hours or so the list simply just does not
receive mail or commands, from myself and other list
members.  "There are no pending requests".

I have changed no settings whatsoever from the last
working configuration.  The "emergency moderation"
has been on since Day 1.

I have a support ticket in with the hosting service
(shared server, btw) but thought I would inquire here
as well.

Any ideas or speculation appreciated.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question(s).

2006-04-25 Thread Mark Sapiro

William D. Tallman
>
>Is it possible to run a server behind a gateway and through an ISP?


Yes.


>Fetchmail can service list mailboxes easily enough, and Sendmail can do
>transport duty both ways.  But in order that my machine's hostname is
>not carried beyond the gateway, I have to use the Sendmail '-f' switch.
>Simple enough.


Actually you don't. Mailman talks to sendmail at the SMTP level, not at
the sendmail command level and it specifies it's own domain
(configured in Mailman) in both From: and envelope sender.


>Don't know whether or not Mailman can be configured to accept messages
>from Fetchmail, and/or to pass outgoing to Sendmail, however.


If you run Sendmail on your server so it listens on 'localhost' port
25, Mailman will talk to it 'out of the box'

I'm not fully familiar with Fetchmail's capabilities, but if Fetchmail
can retrieve mail from a remote mailbox and pipe it to a local command
(different depending on which mailbox it came from), this will work.
Also, Procmail can definitely do what's required to get mail to
Mailman.

Also, there is another 'experimental' way to get mail to Mailman where
Fetchmail would deposit the incoming mail in a local directory, and
Mailman's USE_MAILDIR option is set so Mailman basically polls the
local directory for new mail.

>If I set up Mailman on my machine, it will (I presume) regard it's own
>address as that of the machine, an address only valid on my LAN.


You would set up Mailman to know and use the external domain names.
There are some potential complications mostly involving what list
names appear on what web pages, but as long as you are not trying to
support multiple domains with some lists in one and other lists in
another, these are easily handled.

>I
>suppose the question is whether or not I can set up reliable address
>translation for the outgoing smtp stuff, but I'm a relative newbie at
>all this and would sure like to know what is or is not feasible/possible
>before I get all bogged down and over my head.


I'm not sure what you are envisioning here, but I think there is no
problem. I think everything can use 'outside' addresses.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question(s).

2006-04-25 Thread William D. Tallman

On Tue, Apr 25, 2006 at 05:05:48PM -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote:


Aha!  That's what I was hoping to hear.  Saved your response, and will
send majordomo->/dev/null.  Hello, Mailman!

Setting up a web interface won't be something I'll do, as the ISP has
the page, not me.  No open ports and behind a NATing router/modem :)

Unless I can configure Mailman to automagically ftp the ISP, login, and
upload to preconfigured pages, that is.

In any case, thanks for this prompt response.  Looks like I'm good to
go!

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question(s).

2006-04-25 Thread Mark Sapiro

William D. Tallman wrote:
>
>Setting up a web interface won't be something I'll do, as the ISP has
>the page, not me.  No open ports and behind a NATing router/modem :)


For all but very large scale lists, it is much easier to administer the
lists via the web interface. You don't have to open a port. Just run a
web server on your local box and connect to it at 'localhost' or via
it's lan side address from elsewhere in the lan.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question(s).

2006-04-25 Thread William D. Tallman

On Tue, Apr 25, 2006 at 06:04:35PM -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> William D. Tallman wrote:
> >
> >Setting up a web interface won't be something I'll do, as the ISP has
> >the page, not me.  No open ports and behind a NATing router/modem :)
> 
> 
> For all but very large scale lists, it is much easier to administer the
> lists via the web interface. You don't have to open a port. Just run a
> web server on your local box and connect to it at 'localhost' or via
> it's lan side address from elsewhere in the lan.
> 
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Oh, I see.  The site is for the administrator, then.  Something like the
CUPS admin page.  Good enough.  Will be looking at this package this
evening, presumably lots of stuff to read...

Thanks,

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[Mailman-Users] Newbie Question -- Attachments (again)

2004-10-15 Thread Newman, Linda (newmanld)

I have read through the FAQ and tried to locate every piece of information I
could about MIME types and attachments, esp. reading 4.39, and I'm still
confused, so am hoping that others can provide some simple clarification.

What I'd like to do:
   1) Prevent all attachments from going through.  (Note that if my settings
below are too broad and will result in rejecting messages that aren't really
attachments, let me know.)
   2) Accept html, or real text format formatted messages without
translating them to plain text.  However, if this means that other formats
such as pdf, word, etc., would also have to be accepted, than I'd give up on
html.
   3) Send a notice automatically to a sender if their attachment has been
rejected.
   4) Send the remaining plain text part of the message to the list without
the attachment.

My current 'Content Filtering' options (see below) are rejecting attachments
and html-formatted messages.   The entire message is rejected -- even if
there are remaining plain text parts.  RTF formatted messages are, however,
converted to plain text.  No notice of a rejection is sent to the poster, so
I've configured the last option to send the message to the e-list owner, so
that the owner could manually notify users.

Note that I don't seem to have access to the unix shell.

My current list Content Filtering options are as follows:

Should Mailman filter the content of list traffic according to the settings
below?   -- Yes

Remove message attachments that have a matching content type.  
Remove message attachments that don't have a matching content type.  -- I've
listed two types -- text/plain   text/html
Should Mailman convert text/html parts to plain text?   No
Action to take when a message matches the content filtering rules.   Forward
to List Owner
Thank you for any clarification!


  
  
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[Mailman-Users] Newbie question: german mailman available ?

2001-03-24 Thread Frank Gadegast



Hi,

did somebody translate mailman to German so far ?
Is there a config script, with variables I can change easily ?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] newbie question -- sendmail errors

2002-10-23 Thread Jon Carnes

This is simply one of the first of a few errors you will run into while
installing on Red Hat (using the rpms). 

You need to add a link in your /etc/smrsh directory to your mailman
wrapper program.  Something like:
  cd /etc/smrsh
  ln -s ~mailman/mail/wrapper wrapper

This tells smrsh that Mailman's wrapper program is okay-dokie to run via
a Sendmail alias.

Next problem you will run into is that your Sendmail does not listen for
a local connection.  If you install from source, there are some really
nice files that tell you all about smrsh and about the overly paranoid
Sendmail problem - and how to get around them.

There are a couple of ways around the Sendmail problem, the easiest is
to comment out the line in your /etc/sendmail.cf file that restricts the
interfaces used by Sendmail.  If that line is commented out then
Sendmail will default to listening on all local interfaces, and isn't
that a happy thing to do!?!

  # SMTP client options
  #O ClientPortOptions=Address= ..

Good Luck!

On Wed, 2002-10-23 at 00:53, Dodson, Matthew wrote:
> I am runnibg redhat 7.2 with the latest build of mailman. I receive the
> following error from sendmail when I try to confirm a subscription. Sorry if
> this has been answered before.
> 
>- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors - 
> |/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd ops 
> (reason: service unavailable) 
> (expanded from: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) 
> 
>- Transcript of session follows - 
> smrsh: wrapper.mailcmd.ops not available for sendmail programs 
> 554 5.0.0 Service unavailable 
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> 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question? Maybe not.

2009-07-05 Thread Brad Knowles


on 7/2/09 11:03 PM, Allen Sullivant said:


I have a support ticket in with the hosting service
(shared server, btw) but thought I would inquire here
as well.


Since you're using a hosted service, I don't know how much we'll be able 
to help.  I suspect that you'll have to depend on your service provider 
for most things, but we might be able to give you some pointers as to 
things to talk to them about.


For the moment, I would suggest that you have them review FAQ 4.78 at 
 and answer the questions there.  They 
should also be familiar with the more basic stuff discussed in the first 
section of the FAQ, starting with FAQ 1.22 at .


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Newbie Question -- Attachments (again)

2004-10-15 Thread Mark Sapiro

Newman, Linda (newmanld) wrote:

>I have read through the FAQ and tried to locate every piece of information I
>could about MIME types and attachments, esp. reading 4.39, and I'm still
>confused, so am hoping that others can provide some simple clarification.
>
>What I'd like to do:
>   1) Prevent all attachments from going through.  (Note that if my settings
>below are too broad and will result in rejecting messages that aren't really
>attachments, let me know.)

See below.

>   2) Accept html, or real text format formatted messages without
>translating them to plain text.  However, if this means that other formats
>such as pdf, word, etc., would also have to be accepted, than I'd give up on
>html.

It doesn't, you can do it - except see below regarding
multipart/alternative.

>   3) Send a notice automatically to a sender if their attachment has been
>rejected.

I don't think you can do this if the whole message is not rejected.

>   4) Send the remaining plain text part of the message to the list without
>the attachment.

You can do this, but I don't think you can get a reject notice to the
poster in this case.

>My current 'Content Filtering' options (see below) are rejecting attachments
>and html-formatted messages.   The entire message is rejected -- even if
>there are remaining plain text parts.  RTF formatted messages are, however,
>converted to plain text.  No notice of a rejection is sent to the poster, so
>I've configured the last option to send the message to the e-list owner, so
>that the owner could manually notify users.

This will only work if the entire message is filtered and nothing is
left for the list.

>Note that I don't seem to have access to the unix shell.
>
>My current list Content Filtering options are as follows:
>
>Should Mailman filter the content of list traffic according to the settings
>below?   -- Yes

Right.

>Remove message attachments that have a matching content type.  
>Remove message attachments that don't have a matching content type.  -- I've
>listed two types -- text/plain   text/html

This won't work. It's too restrictive it will only allow single part
messages whose content-type is text/html or text/plain. You also need
to allow the text/plain and/or text/html parts from multipart
messages. Thus you must add to the above types

multipart/mixed
multipart/alternative

Also, you may wish to add

message/rfc822

to allow text/plain and text/html parts from some forwarded messages.

Note that allowing these types does not allow the entire multipart
through, it just alows its sub-parts to be examined rather than
deleted.

Further, note that if the message contains a multipart/alternative part
with both a text/plain alternative and a text/html alternative, only
the first alternative which is always supposed to be the text/plain
part.

To get HTML through to the list you either have to disallow text/plain
or make sure the HTML is not in a multipart/alternative part with a
text/plain alternative. This is difficult if not impossible to do with
some MUAs.

>Should Mailman convert text/html parts to plain text?  No

Good.

>Action to take when a message matches the content filtering rules.   Forward
>to List Owner

See above.

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RE: [Mailman-Users] Newbie Question -- Attachments (again)

2004-10-15 Thread Newman, Linda (newmanld)

Mark -- I really appreciate your answers to my questions.  

I now have the following 'pass types' allowed:
  multipart/mixed
  multipart/alternative
  text/plain
  text/html
  message/rfc822

This appears to handle plain text messages, and forwarded plain text
messages, while still dis-allowing attachments that are word files or pdf
files, executables, etc.  It also continues to translate html messages into
plain text, but if I understand your answer below, this is because the first
part of a multipart/alternative message is usually plain text, and so that's
what mailman accepts.  So, it appears that if I want html formatted messages
to also be on this list, while of course also still allowing plain text, I'd
have to either
   a) find an MUA that doesn't send html as multipart, but just as html
(suggestions?)
   b) not do any filtering of attachments.

Let me know if I have mis-understood.
-- Linda

-Original Message-
From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 3:03 PM
To: Newman, Linda (newmanld); '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Newbie Question -- Attachments (again)

Newman, Linda (newmanld) wrote:

>I have read through the FAQ and tried to locate every piece of information
I
>could about MIME types and attachments, esp. reading 4.39, and I'm still
>confused, so am hoping that others can provide some simple clarification.
>
>What I'd like to do:
>   1) Prevent all attachments from going through.  (Note that if my
settings
>below are too broad and will result in rejecting messages that aren't
really
>attachments, let me know.)

See below.

>   2) Accept html, or real text format formatted messages without
>translating them to plain text.  However, if this means that other formats
>such as pdf, word, etc., would also have to be accepted, than I'd give up
on
>html.

It doesn't, you can do it - except see below regarding
multipart/alternative.

>   3) Send a notice automatically to a sender if their attachment has been
>rejected.

I don't think you can do this if the whole message is not rejected.

>   4) Send the remaining plain text part of the message to the list without
>the attachment.

You can do this, but I don't think you can get a reject notice to the
poster in this case.

>My current 'Content Filtering' options (see below) are rejecting
attachments
>and html-formatted messages.   The entire message is rejected -- even if
>there are remaining plain text parts.  RTF formatted messages are, however,
>converted to plain text.  No notice of a rejection is sent to the poster,
so
>I've configured the last option to send the message to the e-list owner, so
>that the owner could manually notify users.

This will only work if the entire message is filtered and nothing is
left for the list.

>Note that I don't seem to have access to the unix shell.
>
>My current list Content Filtering options are as follows:
>
>Should Mailman filter the content of list traffic according to the settings
>below?   -- Yes

Right.

>Remove message attachments that have a matching content type.  
>Remove message attachments that don't have a matching content type.  --
I've
>listed two types -- text/plain   text/html

This won't work. It's too restrictive it will only allow single part
messages whose content-type is text/html or text/plain. You also need
to allow the text/plain and/or text/html parts from multipart
messages. Thus you must add to the above types

multipart/mixed
multipart/alternative

Also, you may wish to add

message/rfc822

to allow text/plain and text/html parts from some forwarded messages.

Note that allowing these types does not allow the entire multipart
through, it just alows its sub-parts to be examined rather than
deleted.

Further, note that if the message contains a multipart/alternative part
with both a text/plain alternative and a text/html alternative, only
the first alternative which is always supposed to be the text/plain
part.

To get HTML through to the list you either have to disallow text/plain
or make sure the HTML is not in a multipart/alternative part with a
text/plain alternative. This is difficult if not impossible to do with
some MUAs.

>Should Mailman convert text/html parts to plain text?  No

Good.

>Action to take when a message matches the content filtering rules.
Forward
>to List Owner

See above.

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RE: [Mailman-Users] Newbie Question -- Attachments (again)

2004-10-15 Thread Mark Sapiro

Newman, Linda (newmanld) wrote:

>Mark -- I really appreciate your answers to my questions.  
>
>I now have the following 'pass types' allowed:
>  multipart/mixed
>  multipart/alternative
>  text/plain
>  text/html
>  message/rfc822

This is good.

>This appears to handle plain text messages, and forwarded plain text
>messages, while still dis-allowing attachments that are word files or pdf
>files, executables, etc.  It also continues to translate html messages into
>plain text, but if I understand your answer below, this is because the first
>part of a multipart/alternative message is usually plain text, and so that's
>what mailman accepts.

Right. It isn't translating HTML to plain text. It is selecting the
text/plain part over the text/html part from a multipart alternative
message.

BTW, i left out a phrase in 

>Further, note that if the message contains a multipart/alternative part
>with both a text/plain alternative and a text/html alternative, only
>the first alternative which is always supposed to be the text/plain
>part.

It should have said "only the first alternative ... is retained for the
list", but you seem to have understood it anyway.

>So, it appears that if I want html formatted messages
>to also be on this list, while of course also still allowing plain text, I'd
>have to either
>   a) find an MUA that doesn't send html as multipart, but just as html
>(suggestions?)
>   b) not do any filtering of attachments.
>
>Let me know if I have mis-understood.

You appear to understand perfectly. Regarding a), Netscape/Mozilla for
example allows you to choose whether to send HTML vs
multipart/alternative in various ways - globally, by address book
entry, by domain, by asking.

As far as I know, M$ lookout (er.. outlook) express allows you to
specify plain text in address books, but if you want to send HTML, it
always sends multipart/alternative. I think outlook (not express) may
send HTML only, but I can't tell you how to set it up. Normally I'm
only interested in setting things to not send any HTML.

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[Mailman-Users] Newbie Question - Setting up email

2005-09-09 Thread Greg Burnett / Ascend Network

I just installed Mailman on my X86 PC - Debian Linux OS  - Apache works
but I cant figure out how to set up the actual mail settings. I have
sendmail. I have my own domain and mail server but it is located on a
commercial account outside my machine.  My email address would be
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  and along with my domain is at dnsbuy.com.  Do I
need to set up a mail account on my local machine and if so, how do I do
this? If I can use my outside email address as the post to address, how
do I set it up in mailman and in sendmail? Thanks for the help.
 
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[Mailman-Users] Newbie question - installing on GoDaddy?

2021-01-18 Thread Vicki Mieth

Has anyone installed mailman on a GoDaddy based website?  Did you have 
problems?
I need this functionality, but I'm not that much of a techie to feel 
comfortable without asking someone who has done this before.


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[Mailman-Users] Newbie question - newletter, and importing members?

2002-01-04 Thread James Radke




Hello,
 
I am looking at mailman as one possible solution 
for providing a mailing list for up to 10,000 recipients.  This would be 
for a client who would like to send a newsletter as well as promotional offers 
to their customers.
 
First of all, would mailman be a good selection for 
this functionality?  We would need to:
 
1.) Create a list with members from a file provided 
by the client from their database (Microsoft SQL server database), or in flat 
file format to be imported; and then 
 
2.) Allow only the client to submit "mail" to the 
list?
 
Finally we would need to:
 
3.) Allow the recipients to "opt out" of 
receiving any future mailings via automated e-mail request 
handling?
 
How tough would this be to implement something like 
this?  Is most of this standard usage for this application?
 
Thanks for any and all opinions!
 
Jim

[Mailman-Users] Newbie question: Apache virtual hosts & Mailman

2002-06-18 Thread Wylie Horn


Hi,

I've been asked to set up Mailman for a client of ours.  We currently run
an Apache (1.3.9) Web server which has a number of virtual hosts.

Can Mailman be run under a virtual host?

Thanks in advance.

Wylie

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Newbie Question - Setting up email

2005-09-09 Thread Jan Kohnert

Greg Burnett / Ascend Network schrieb:
> I just installed Mailman on my X86 PC - Debian Linux OS  - Apache works
> but I cant figure out how to set up the actual mail settings. I have
> sendmail. 

You have sendmail on your maschine running mailman? If it is not configured 
and running, I would leave it as it is...

> I have my own domain and mail server but it is located on a 
> commercial account outside my machine.  My email address would be
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]  and along with my domain is at dnsbuy.com.  

I'm bit of confused. the lists domain should be ascendnetwork.com but what is 
dnsbuy.com? The Domain on which your mailserver is hosted? Your own local 
domain? And if so why setting the lists domain to ascendnetwork.com?

> Do I need to set up a mail account on my local machine and if so,
> how do I do this? 

You don't.

> If I can use my outside email address as the post to address, how 
> do I set it up in mailman and in sendmail? 

For mailman you might want to have a look at the parameter 
"DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST" in Mailman/Default.py and set it correctly in 
Mailman/mm_cfg.py. As said before, I would leave sendmail as it is...

> Thanks for the help. 

HTH,

> Greg Burnett

Best regards Jan

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Newbie Question - Setting up email

2005-09-09 Thread greg

dnbuy.net is the site where I registered my domain. I use their URL forwarding 
to my roadrunner acct for my website. I also have a pop3 acct set up through 
dnbuy for my domain. When someone sends an email to my domain, it goes to 
their dns server and is then processed through their pop3 server. I have my 
mail program setup to check mail via pop3 into my inbox. I have created an 
email address for the list [EMAIL PROTECTED] When someone send a 
post to that address it just sits there in the inbox on my pop3 server at 
dnbuy. How do I configure mailman and exim (thought it was sendmail before 
but it is exim4) to get posts from that acct and send them to everyone on my 
list? I hope that clarifies the question. I guess I know nothing about 
aliases. I am new to this. I set the default host in mailman to 
ascendnetwork.com. I subscribed to the list and the welcome email I get shows 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] as the post to address but when I send a message to 
the address it doesn't come back to me through the list. Again, I dont know 
how to set it up to get posts from my pop3 account and send them to the list 
members. Thanks for the help.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Newbie Question - Setting up email

2005-09-09 Thread Brad Knowles

At 7:02 PM + 2005-09-09, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>  How do I configure mailman and exim (thought it was sendmail before
>  but it is exim4) to get posts from that acct and send them to everyone on my
>  list?

You don't.  That's not the way these kinds of programs work.

If you want to run Mailman on your local machine, then you need 
to configure things in some way so that they are delivered direct to 
that system from the outside world, or perhaps through a mail 
forwarding service at your provider.  Alternatively, pay a hosting 
company to run Mailman for you -- see 
.

If you knew what you were doing, there are other programs you 
could set up that would log into your POP3 account, download your 
mail for you, then distribute that to the system as if it had been 
sent in directly from the outside world, and then you could use a 
POP3 client to log into the local server to pick up your mail -- the 
system would deliver other stuff to Mailman, as appropriate.

But it seems to me like you're unlikely to have the necessary 
knowledge and skills to properly set up a program like "fetchmail" or 
"getmail" to do this kind of thing.  If you do want to go this route, 
then you will need to find assistance elsewhere in terms of how to 
set up programs like fetchmail or getmail, since they are not 
included as part of our package.

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[Mailman-Users] Newbie question on Upgrading and Moving mailman

2002-01-16 Thread David Vu


Hello,

I am planning to update mailman from 2.0beta5-3 to mailman-2.0.8-1 as
well as moving the lists to another Red Hat Linux machine.  Having
read the FAQ, INSTALL and UPGRADING, I believe that I need to copy my
~mailman/lists, ~mailman/archives, and ~mailman/data from the old
machine to the new machine. as well as adjust the aliases files where
necessary.  My question: is this sufficient?  Is there any command I
need to run, and/or other files I need to manual copy/merge?

Many thanks for any help,

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[Mailman-Users] newbie question: email addreses for the virtusertable

2002-07-14 Thread Venkatesh Madurai Subramanian






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[Mailman-Users] newbie question: email addreses for the virtusertable

2002-07-14 Thread Venkatesh Madurai Subramanian



Dear All,

I am quite new to Mailman and was wondering where could i find the list of 
email addresses that Mailman users.

I am trying to set it up for virtual host domains on my server.

For example, i need to find out the list of email addresses like 
<>[EMAIL PROTECTED], etc., that Mailman needs so that i can 
add these to the virtusertable entries.

Thanks in advance and best regards

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[Mailman-Users] 'Newbie' question - List posting to newsgroups - How?

2002-08-29 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Hello

I would like to know how to get my Mailman mailing list to 'forward'
postings made to it to a 'remote' newsgroup account.

Anybody advise, please, if this is possible and if so, how?

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[Mailman-Users] Newbie question - tweaking Mailman and .py files

2002-12-18 Thread Doug Brandon

Mailman is my first exposure to Python.  I've installed Mailman 2.1b6 and 
have it running fine.  I've looked through FAQs and list archives, and am 
posting here as a last resort.  Sorry for the newbie question.  :)

I'm tweaking Mailman/Handlers/CookHeaders.py to experiment with the headers 
on a few announce-only lists which I have created.  I'm 99% sure that the 
changes I'm making should result in visible changes.  In particular, I'm 
using personalized mode and trying to get rid of the "Cc:[EMAIL PROTECTED]" 
that mailman automatically inserts.  Anyway, after tweaking the .py file, I 
run python to make sure the .pyc is updated.  I figured this is all I would 
have to do, but no matter what I do, I can't seem to make Mailman see any 
of my changes.  Even something simple like commenting out the 
X-Mailman-Version tag insertion doesn't work.

I'm probably missing a very obvious step, but I can't figure it out!

Thanks,
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[Mailman-Users] Newbie question regarding Mailman commands via email

2003-11-19 Thread Hubert Ho

Hello,

We recently changed our mailing list software from Listsev to Mailman. 
Users of the old Listserv system could only send email commands to do
administrative and subscription tasks.  I know that Mailman has a limited
set of commands.  Are there plans to increase the number of commands? 
We've been getting complaints from users who still want to do tasks via
email, as opposed to using the web interface.  Will the commands currently
available continue to be supported in future versions of mailman?

Thanks.

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[Mailman-Users] Newbie question: where do I begin from?

2004-08-04 Thread Luis Fernando C. Talora

Fellows,

I´m new the list and have no experience with Mailman. I´ve installed Fedora
Core 2 on my server and configured Postifx, so it already send and recieves
mail. Mailman is installed, though. So, what do I do now? I´ve tried to
create a new list via http://myserver/mailman/admin, but it asks me about a
list creator password or something like that. Where do I set it up? And
where do I tell Mailman who´s allowed to create new lists on that server?

Thanks for any help!

Regards,

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question - tweaking Mailman and .py files

2002-12-18 Thread Dan Mick

Doug Brandon wrote:


Mailman is my first exposure to Python.  I've installed Mailman 2.1b6
and have it running fine.  I've looked through FAQs and list archives,
and am posting here as a last resort.  Sorry for the newbie question.  :)

I'm tweaking Mailman/Handlers/CookHeaders.py to experiment with the
headers on a few announce-only lists which I have created.  I'm 99% sure
that the changes I'm making should result in visible changes.  In
particular, I'm using personalized mode and trying to get rid of the
"Cc:[EMAIL PROTECTED]" that mailman automatically inserts.  Anyway, after
tweaking the .py file, I run python to make sure the .pyc is updated.


You don't need to do that; it's automagic.  If you're paranoid, just delete 
the .pyc.

I
figured this is all I would have to do, but no matter what I do, I can't
seem to make Mailman see any of my changes.  Even something simple like
commenting out the X-Mailman-Version tag insertion doesn't work.

I'm probably missing a very obvious step, but I can't figure it out!


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question - tweaking Mailman and .py files

2002-12-18 Thread Doug Brandon

Like I said, I'm sure I was missing an obvious step.  :)  Thanks a lot Dan!

For the person that wanted to know how to get rid of the list address Cc in 
personalized mode, this worked for me.  Go into Handlers/CookHeaders.py and 
look for this section of code:

if mlist.personalize == 2 and mlist.reply_goes_to_list <> 1:
# Watch out for existing Cc headers, merge, and remove dups.  Note
# that RFC 2822 says only zero or one Cc header is allowed.
new = []
d = {}
for pair in getaddresses(msg.get_all('cc', [])):
add(pair)
i18ndesc = uheader(mlist, mlist.description)
add((str(i18ndesc), mlist.GetListEmail()))
del msg['Cc']
msg['Cc'] = COMMASPACE.join([formataddr(pair) for pair in new])

Just comment out the last line, and restart the daemon.

At 05:29 PM 12/18/2002 -0800, Dan Mick wrote:
>> I
>> figured this is all I would have to do, but no matter what I do, I can't
>> seem to make Mailman see any of my changes.  Even something simple like
>> commenting out the X-Mailman-Version tag insertion doesn't work.
>>
>> I'm probably missing a very obvious step, but I can't figure it out!
>
>Mailman is all daemons now.  Stop and restart with mailmanctl.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question: where do I begin from?

2004-08-04 Thread Todd

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> Fedora Core 2 on my server and configured Postifx, so it already
> send and recieves mail. Mailman is installed, though. So, what do I
> do now?

Check out /usr/share/doc/mailman-2.1.5/INSTALL.REDHAT for how to
finish configuring mailman on your Fedora system.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question: Aliases in postfix not being created

2002-01-23 Thread John W Baxter

At 15:00 -0700 1/23/2002, Ashley M. Kirchner wrote:
>> 1. Why isn't mailman creating the aliases automatically when I run ./newlist
>
>Because different MTA's use different alias files and MM can't just go
>on assuming
>what you have, where it is and how to add it.  Aliases _can_ be added
>automatically if
>you tell it to by supplying the -o  [1] on the command line:
>./newlist -o
>/etc/mail/aliases (for sendmail)
>
>However, it won't run the newaliases command for you, you need to do
>that yourself.
>And I don't know what your MTA needs in terms of aliases.

Including nothing, for some MTA's suitably configured.  Doing so is easy
with Exim; it is said to be easy with Postfix (but I have no experience
with that).

Basically, Exim is instructed to find lists by looking for their
configuration DB, and then direct mail appropriately.  The new list is
ready for email when the ./newlist command finishes.  See the Exim site for
instructions on how do to it with Exim.

  --John

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[Mailman-Users] Newbie Question: Can`t send mails to my list

2007-09-09 Thread Kai Behncke

Dear list,
since a couple of hours I try to get to run an own mailinglist.

I did the following steps:

- I installed as root on my Debian 4.0 mailman with "apt-get install mailman"

- I ran: /usr/lib/mailman/bin/check_perms and changed permissions at the errors 
that occured. Meanwhile there is no error anymore.

- I adapted the pathes at the mm_cfg.py-Script and I wrote the -I hope -correct 
entries in the httpd.conf of Apache

If I run:
http://lists.gforge.geoplp.de/mailman/admin

I come to the administration-area.
As an administrator I can create new mailinglists (e.g. the list "testa" and 
get a confirmation mail of that.

I can register users at the list that get as well a confirmation.


But then comes the problem: As a user I want to write a mail to that list. But 
that mail never reaches the mailinglist members.
After a couple of seconds I get a mail-delivery message from my client:

This message was created automatically by mail delivery software.

"A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its
recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]
retry timeout exceeded"

What am I doing wrong? Please help! Thank you kindly in advance, Kai

 

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[Mailman-Users] Newbie question regarding multiple domains with one Mailman installation

2006-01-29 Thread Daniel Spreadbury

Hi folks,

Apologies if this is covered in the Mailman docs or the FAQs, but I'm having
problems finding any concrete information.

I've installed Mailman via the FreeBSD ports collection on my FreeBSD server
(running 4.7). My MTA is Exim 4.22, and my web server is Apache 1.3.x.

I currently have mailman in /usr/local/mailman, and my web server has a
virtual host at http://lists.dom.ain/ that points at this installation. My
lists therefore have addresses like [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I run a number of different virtual domains from my server, and would like
to be able to run mailing lists for each of them, but using their domain
names. I don't care about the limitation that they can't use the same list
name -- the number of lists will be small, and that's an avoidable problem.

So what do I need to do to run e.g. [EMAIL PROTECTED] and
[EMAIL PROTECTED] from the same Mailman installation on my
server?

Any pointers very gratefully received!

Thanks,

Daniel
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question regarding multiple domains with oneMailman installation

2006-01-29 Thread Mark Sapiro

Daniel Spreadbury wrote:
>
>Apologies if this is covered in the Mailman docs or the FAQs, but I'm having
>problems finding any concrete information.


Searching the FAQ wizard at
>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
for

virtual

will return some relevant information including FAQs 4.29. 4.47 and
4.62.


>I've installed Mailman via the FreeBSD ports collection on my FreeBSD server
>(running 4.7). My MTA is Exim 4.22, and my web server is Apache 1.3.x.


Mailman version? :-)


>I currently have mailman in /usr/local/mailman, and my web server has a
>virtual host at http://lists.dom.ain/ that points at this installation. My
>lists therefore have addresses like [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>I run a number of different virtual domains from my server, and would like
>to be able to run mailing lists for each of them, but using their domain
>names. I don't care about the limitation that they can't use the same list
>name -- the number of lists will be small, and that's an avoidable problem.
>
>So what do I need to do to run e.g. [EMAIL PROTECTED] and
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] from the same Mailman installation on my
>server?


Either put the Mailman specific alias and scriptalias, etc stuff in
each virtual host section in the web server config, or put it
somewhere where it will apply to all hosts.

Put directives like:

add_virtualhost('dom.ain', 'dom.ain')
add_virtualhost('another.domain','another.domain')

in mm_cfg.py. This assumes you will access the web pages via
http://dom.ain/..., as well as emailing [EMAIL PROTECTED],
i.e., that the web domain and the email domain are the same for the
hosts. If not, the generic form is

add_virtualhost('web.dom.ain', 'email.dom.ain')

Then when you create lists for these domains, they will only appear on
listinfo and admin overview pages accessed from that domain and web
links and email addresses for those lists will all use the list's
domain.

And read the FAQs mentioned above.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question regarding multiple domains with oneMailman installation

2006-01-30 Thread Daniel Spreadbury

Hi Mark,

Thanks for your very helpful reply! I think I'm getting somewhere,
though I've hit another brick wall.

> virtual
>
> will return some relevant information including FAQs 4.29. 4.47 and
> 4.62.

Thanks -- I tried searching for "virtual domains", which didn't find
the same FAQs.

> Mailman version? :-)

2.1.7, though I'm guessing from the smiley that this doesn't much matter!

> Either put the Mailman specific alias and scriptalias, etc stuff in
> each virtual host section in the web server config, or put it
> somewhere where it will apply to all hosts.
>
> Put directives like:
>
> add_virtualhost('dom.ain', 'dom.ain')
> add_virtualhost('another.domain','another.domain')
>
> in mm_cfg.py. This assumes you will access the web pages via
> http://dom.ain/..., as well as emailing [EMAIL PROTECTED],
> i.e., that the web domain and the email domain are the same for the
> hosts.

Okay, I've got all this.  Two problems remain:

1. If I go to http://dom.ain.com/mailman/, I get a "you don't have
permission to view /mailman/" error. If I go to
http://dom.ain.com/mailman/admin, for example, I get the mailman
interface as I'd expect. Is there something I can do to get /mailman
to give me something sensible, or is that not how it's supposed to
work? My Apache config does a standard script alias thing:

ScriptAlias /mailman "/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/"

I'm guessing I've missed something simple here.

2. This is a thornier issue, and I've spent most of the day today
trying to sort it out. My MTA is exim-4.22-1, installed via the
FreeBSD ports collection. As far as I can tell, it was installed with
the default user of mailnull and group of mail. As such, when I built
mailman from /usr/ports/mail/mailman, I used this command line:

make MAIL_GID="mail" install

as specified in /usr/local/share/doc/mailman/FreeBSD-post-install-notes

I also made sure that the aliases at the top of the Exim config file
(which I've placed just below the MAIN CONFIGURATION SETTINGS part of
the configure file) say:

MAILMAN_USER=mailnull
MAILMAN_GROUP=mail

I've also set up aliases in my domain-specific alias files for mail
delivery (I'm using Cyrus on top of Exim for IMAP), of the form:

members-list "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post members-list"
members-list-admin "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman admin members-list"

and so on.

When I do e.g. "exim -bt [EMAIL PROTECTED]" I get the
expected result.

However, when I actually send mail to any of these addresses, I see
this in my main Exim log:

2006-01-30 18:09:06 1F3dSa-0001XG-RO ** [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> R=mailman_router T=mailman_transport:
Child process of mailman_transport transport returned 2 from command:
/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman

This results in the mail being bounced back to me as undeliverable,
and nothing getting through to the mailing list.

The FreeBSD post-install notes list this problem specifically as
occurring if Mailman isn't installed with the right MAIL_GID set at
make, but I'm pretty sure I've set this correctly (see above). The
only other solution I've seen suggested is to use check_perms -f to
fix up permissions. I've done this, and no problems are found.

Any ideas as to what I'm doing wrong?

Thanks again for your help!

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question regarding multiple domains with oneMailman installation

2006-01-30 Thread Mark Sapiro

>On 30/01/06, Daniel Spreadbury <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 1. If I go to http://dom.ain.com/mailman/, I get a "you don't have
>> permission to view /mailman/" error. If I go to
>> http://dom.ain.com/mailman/admin, for example, I get the mailman
>> interface as I'd expect. Is there something I can do to get /mailman
>> to give me something sensible, or is that not how it's supposed to
>> work? My Apache config does a standard script alias thing:
>>
>> ScriptAlias /mailman "/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/"
>>
>> I'm guessing I've missed something simple here.

RedirectMatch ^/mailman[/]*$ http://dom.ain.com/mailman/listinfo

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question regarding multiple domains with oneMailman installation

2006-01-30 Thread Daniel Spreadbury

Hi chaps,

Further to my last email a few minutes ago, I appear to have stumbled
on the answer, thanks to this post from the archives:

http://www.exim.org/pipermail/exim-users/Week-of-Mon-20030210/049748.html

Apparently my exim user is actually running in group "wheel".
Recompiling mailman yet again, this time with MAIL_GID='wheel', seems
to have sorted it.

But I'd still love some advice on the Apache part of my question,
reproduced below.

Thanks,

Daniel

On 30/01/06, Daniel Spreadbury <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 1. If I go to http://dom.ain.com/mailman/, I get a "you don't have
> permission to view /mailman/" error. If I go to
> http://dom.ain.com/mailman/admin, for example, I get the mailman
> interface as I'd expect. Is there something I can do to get /mailman
> to give me something sensible, or is that not how it's supposed to
> work? My Apache config does a standard script alias thing:
>
> ScriptAlias /mailman "/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/"
>
> I'm guessing I've missed something simple here.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Newbie Question: Can`t send mails to my list

2007-09-09 Thread Dennis Morgan

I think you'll find that
list.gforge.geoplp.de
does not exist but

gforge.geoplp.de

does exist and accepts mail.

At any rate I sent a test email to:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

and it was not returned.

Hope this helps,

Dennis
Kai Behncke wrote:
> Dear list,
> since a couple of hours I try to get to run an own mailinglist.
>
> I did the following steps:
>
> - I installed as root on my Debian 4.0 mailman with "apt-get install mailman"
>
> - I ran: /usr/lib/mailman/bin/check_perms and changed permissions at the 
> errors that occured. Meanwhile there is no error anymore.
>
> - I adapted the pathes at the mm_cfg.py-Script and I wrote the -I hope 
> -correct entries in the httpd.conf of Apache
>
> If I run:
> http://lists.gforge.geoplp.de/mailman/admin
>
> I come to the administration-area.
> As an administrator I can create new mailinglists (e.g. the list "testa" and 
> get a confirmation mail of that.
>
> I can register users at the list that get as well a confirmation.
>
>
> But then comes the problem: As a user I want to write a mail to that list. 
> But that mail never reaches the mailinglist members.
> After a couple of seconds I get a mail-delivery message from my client:
>
> This message was created automatically by mail delivery software.
>
> "A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its
> recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> retry timeout exceeded"
>
> What am I doing wrong? Please help! Thank you kindly in advance, Kai
>
>  
>
>   
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Newbie Question: Can`t send mails to my list

2007-09-09 Thread Kai Behncke

Hi Dennis,



> I think you'll find that
> list.gforge.geoplp.de
> does not exist but
> 
> gforge.geoplp.de
> 
> does exist and accepts mail.
> 
> At any rate I sent a test email to:
>  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> and it was not returned.
> 
> Hope this helps,
> 
> Dennis

unfortunately I get also in this case a "Mail delivery failed".
Nevertheless thank you :-)

In the moment I check out the points at FAQ troubleshooting.
It might has something to do with the configuration of "sendmail".

Best regards, Kai

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Newbie Question: Can`t send mails to my list

2007-09-09 Thread Mark Sapiro

Kai Behncke wrote:
>
>In the moment I check out the points at FAQ troubleshooting.
>It might has something to do with the configuration of "sendmail".


This is definitely an MTA (sendmail) and/or DNS issue.

Have you installed the Mailman aliases for your list(s).

Have you looked in sendmail's maillog to see what it's trying to do?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Newbie Question: Can`t send mails to my list

2007-09-09 Thread Kai Behncke

Hello Mark,

> This is definitely an MTA (sendmail) and/or DNS issue.
> 
> Have you installed the Mailman aliases for your list(s).
> 
> Have you looked in sendmail's maillog to see what it's trying to do?

Thank you for answering. For me as a mailman/sendmail newbie this is really not 
easy.

Well, the Mailman aliases I had already inserted in /etc/mail/aliases

like that:
"mailman:  "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman"
mailman-admin:"|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman admin mailman"
mailman-bounces:  "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman bounces mailman"
mailman-confirm:  "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman confirm mailman"
mailman-join: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman join mailman"
mailman-leave:"|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman leave mailman"
mailman-owner:"|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman owner mailman"
mailman-request:  "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman request mailman"
mailman-subscribe:"|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe mailman"
mailman-unsubscribe:  "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe mailman"

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If I look at the sendmail-log is says at /var/log/mail.log (I think this is the 
right logfile?):

"Sep  9 19:30:00 h1228898 sm-mta[9439]: l89HU0cm009439: from=<[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]>, size=1872, class=-60, nrcpts=1, msgid=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 
proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA-v4, relay=localhost [127.0.0.1]
Sep  9 19:30:00 h1228898 sm-mta[9442]: l89HU0vb009442: from=<[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]>, size=1944, class=-60, nrcpts=1, msgid=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 
proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA-v4, relay=localhost [127.0.0.1]
Sep  9 19:30:01 h1228898 sm-mta[9444]: l89HU0vb009442: to=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 
delay=00:00:01, xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=esmtp, pri=229944, relay=mx0.gmx.net. 
[213.165.64.100], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (Message accepted {mx057})
Sep  9 19:30:01 h1228898 sm-mta[9441]: l89HU0cm009439: to=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 
delay=00:00:01, xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=esmtp, pri=229872, 
relay=mx0.stratoserver.net. [81.169.163.94], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (OK 
id=1IUQbh-0001o6-RB)
Sep  9 19:30:50 h1228898 sm-mta[9451]: l89HUnA7009451: from=<[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]>, size=1957, class=-60, nrcpts=1, msgid=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 
proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA-v4, relay=localhost [127.0.0.1]
Sep  9 19:31:09 h1228898 sm-mta[9453]: STARTTLS=client, 
relay=mail-in-2.serv.uni-osnabrueck.de., version=TLSv1/SSLv3, verify=FAIL, 
cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA, bits=256/256
Sep  9 19:31:13 h1228898 sm-mta[9453]: l89HUnA7009451: to=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 
delay=00:00:23, xdelay=00:00:23, mailer=esmtp, pri=229957, 
relay=mail-in-2.serv.uni-osnabrueck.de. [131.173.17.163], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent 
(l89HV4Rg012816 Message accepted for delivery)
Sep  9 19:31:35 h1228898 sm-mta[9456]: l89HVZZ1009456: from=<[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]>, size=2071, class=-60, nrcpts=1, msgid=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 
proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA-v4, relay=localhost [127.0.0.1]
Sep  9 19:31:38 h1228898 sm-mta[9458]: l89HVZZ1009456: to=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 
delay=00:00:03, xdelay=00:00:03, mailer=esmtp, pri=230071, 
relay=mail-in-3.serv.uni-osnabrueck.de. [131.173.17.149], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent 
(l89HVZ6x026973 Message accepted for delivery)"

What could that mean?

You wrote it could be a DNS-problem?
What do you mean with that?
Do I need  a DNS-Server to use mailman/sendmail?

Thank you very much!!
Kai





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Re: [Mailman-Users] Newbie Question: Can`t send mails to my list

2007-09-09 Thread Mark Sapiro

Kai Behncke wrote:
>
>Thank you for answering. For me as a mailman/sendmail newbie this is really 
>not easy.
>
>Well, the Mailman aliases I had already inserted in /etc/mail/aliases
>
>like that:
>"mailman:  "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman"
>mailman-admin:"|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman admin mailman"
>mailman-bounces:  "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman bounces mailman"
>mailman-confirm:  "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman confirm mailman"
>mailman-join: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman join mailman"
>mailman-leave:"|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman leave mailman"
>mailman-owner:"|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman owner mailman"
>mailman-request:  "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman request mailman"
>mailman-subscribe:"|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe mailman"
>mailman-unsubscribe:  "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe mailman"


These are only for the mailman list. You need another set of 10 like

complicate:  "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post complicate"
complicate-admin:"|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman admin complicate"
etc.

for the 'complicate' list and simarly for all other mailman lists. Then
you need to run the newaliases command to update the actual sendmail
database after you add the aliases to /etc/mail/aliases.

This may fix the entire problem,


>If I look at the sendmail-log is says at /var/log/mail.log (I think this is 
>the right logfile?):
>
>"Sep  9 19:30:00 h1228898 sm-mta[9439]: l89HU0cm009439: from=<[EMAIL 
>PROTECTED]>, size=1872, class=-60, nrcpts=1, msgid=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 
>proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA-v4, relay=localhost [127.0.0.1]
>Sep  9 19:30:00 h1228898 sm-mta[9442]: l89HU0vb009442: from=<[EMAIL 
>PROTECTED]>, size=1944, class=-60, nrcpts=1, msgid=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 
>proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA-v4, relay=localhost [127.0.0.1]
>Sep  9 19:30:01 h1228898 sm-mta[9444]: l89HU0vb009442: to=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 
>delay=00:00:01, xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=esmtp, pri=229944, relay=mx0.gmx.net. 
>[213.165.64.100], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (Message accepted {mx057})
>Sep  9 19:30:01 h1228898 sm-mta[9441]: l89HU0cm009439: to=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 
>delay=00:00:01, xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=esmtp, pri=229872, 
>relay=mx0.stratoserver.net. [81.169.163.94], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (OK 
>id=1IUQbh-0001o6-RB)
>Sep  9 19:30:50 h1228898 sm-mta[9451]: l89HUnA7009451: from=<[EMAIL 
>PROTECTED]>, size=1957, class=-60, nrcpts=1, msgid=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 
>proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA-v4, relay=localhost [127.0.0.1]
>Sep  9 19:31:09 h1228898 sm-mta[9453]: STARTTLS=client, 
>relay=mail-in-2.serv.uni-osnabrueck.de., version=TLSv1/SSLv3, verify=FAIL, 
>cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA, bits=256/256
>Sep  9 19:31:13 h1228898 sm-mta[9453]: l89HUnA7009451: to=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 
>delay=00:00:23, xdelay=00:00:23, mailer=esmtp, pri=229957, 
>relay=mail-in-2.serv.uni-osnabrueck.de. [131.173.17.163], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent 
>(l89HV4Rg012816 Message accepted for delivery)
>Sep  9 19:31:35 h1228898 sm-mta[9456]: l89HVZZ1009456: from=<[EMAIL 
>PROTECTED]>, size=2071, class=-60, nrcpts=1, msgid=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 
>proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA-v4, relay=localhost [127.0.0.1]
>Sep  9 19:31:38 h1228898 sm-mta[9458]: l89HVZZ1009456: to=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 
>delay=00:00:03, xdelay=00:00:03, mailer=esmtp, pri=230071, 
>relay=mail-in-3.serv.uni-osnabrueck.de. [131.173.17.149], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent 
>(l89HVZ6x026973 Message accepted for delivery)"
>
>What could that mean?


Almost all of the above entries are for outgoing notifications from
Mailman. One pair of entries (note the same esmtp id - l89HU0cm009439)
-

Sep  9 19:30:00 h1228898 sm-mta[9439]: l89HU0cm009439:
from=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, size=1872,
class=-60, nrcpts=1,
msgid=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA-v4, relay=localhost [127.0.0.1]

Sep  9 19:30:01 h1228898 sm-mta[9441]: l89HU0cm009439:
to=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, delay=00:00:01,
xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=esmtp, pri=229872, relay=mx0.stratoserver.net.
[81.169.163.94], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (OK id=1IUQbh-0001o6-RB)

is a notice to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> from the
complicate list, which has been sent to the MX at mx0.stratoserver.net
which may or may not kno how to send it back.


>You wrote it could be a DNS-problem?
>What do you mean with that?
>Do I need  a DNS-Server to use mailman/sendmail?


No, but you need appropriate DNS records somewhere in order to receive
mail. When I do

dig any lists.gforge.geoplp.de

I see among other things the following records

lists.gforge.geoplp.de. 1800IN  MX  10 geoplp.de.
lists.gforge.geoplp.de. 1800IN  MX  20 mx0.stratoserver.net.
lists.gforge.geoplp.de. 1800IN  A   85.214.90.79
geoplp.de.  1800IN  A   85.214.90.79

This all looks fine, but it raises the question of why sendmail relayed
the message above to mx0.stratoserver.net when geoplp.de is a higher
priority MX. This is not a DNS problem per se, but perhaps sendmail
determined that geoplp.de (whic

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