[Mailman-Users] uncaught bounce notification
I'm getting an uncaught bounce notification from a particular user on one of my mailing lists. In a message in the archives, one respondent said they could look at the message, but would need the original email. I'm using mailman 2.1.9 and postfix as the mta. I can't figure out where I would find the original message. I've looked in the usual places and neither mailman nor postfix is keeping the original message around. At least that I have found. So where to look, or what to turn on so the message is saved for the future so I have a chance to determine why the message is not being understood by the mailman bounce processor. thanks, ted -- Ted Frohling (TF30-ARIN)520.749.1379 www.frohling.org ted-at-frohling-dot-org Change the world one loan at a time - visit Kiva.org to find out how -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] uncaught bounce notification
Ted Frohling wrote: I'm getting an uncaught bounce notification from a particular user on one of my mailing lists. In a message in the archives, one respondent said they could look at the message, but would need the original email. I'm using mailman 2.1.9 and postfix as the mta. I can't figure out where I would find the original message. The original uncaught bounce notification email that you received, not the original email that bounced. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] uncaught bounce notification
Ted Frohling t...@frohling.org wrote: I'm getting an uncaught bounce notification from a particular user on one of my mailing lists. In a message in the archives, one respondent said they could look at the message, but would need the original email. I'm using mailman 2.1.9 and postfix as the mta. I can't figure out where I would find the original message. I've looked in the usual places and neither mailman nor postfix is keeping the original message around. At least that I have found. So where to look, or what to turn on so the message is saved for the future so I have a chance to determine why the message is not being understood by the mailman bounce processor. You would need to look at the archives mbox file on the Mailman machine. On my Ubuntu machine the archives are in /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/LISTNAME.mbox/LISTNAME.mbox That mbox file has the mail messages with all of the RFC 5322 mail headers. Viewing the archives via the web interface will not show all of the mail headers. -- Barry S. Finkel Computing and Information Systems Division Argonne National Laboratory Phone:+1 (630) 252-7277 9700 South Cass Avenue Facsimile:+1 (630) 252-4601 Building 222, Room D209 Internet: bsfin...@anl.gov Argonne, IL 60439-4828 IBMMAIL: I1004994 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Uncaught Bounce Notification
Jeff Grossman wrote: Don't temporary failures get a score of 0.5 while a permanent failure gets a score of 1.0? So, if that is the case, these temporary failures would take longer to suspend the account. I think these should be counted. That's what the documentation says, but in fact, it doesn't work that way. Bounces which are recognized as 'warnings', e.g. Unable to deliver your message for 4 hours, will keep trying ..., are ignored. All other recognized bounces are given a weight of 1.0. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Uncaught Bounce Notification
Mark Sapiro wrote: Jeff Grossman wrote: Don't temporary failures get a score of 0.5 while a permanent failure gets a score of 1.0? So, if that is the case, these temporary failures would take longer to suspend the account. I think these should be counted. That's what the documentation says, but in fact, it doesn't work that way. Bounces which are recognized as 'warnings', e.g. Unable to deliver your message for 4 hours, will keep trying ..., are ignored. All other recognized bounces are given a weight of 1.0. Oh, thanks for that information. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Uncaught Bounce Notification
Jeff Grossman wrote: I received a uncaught bounce notification from one of my lists today. The bounce looks pretty normal, and figured it should have been caught by the bounce system. How do I report bounce formats that did not get caught by the bounce system? You send them to me, but I need the full raw message, not just the body, because various things in the headers are used to determine which heuristics to apply to the message. Here is the bounce. I changed the e-mail address. And, yes the e-mail address is currently subscribed to the list. Whether or not the address is a list member has nothing to do with recognition. If the bounce is sent to you as unrecognized, Mailman doesn't know what address bounced. Mailman is saying it couldn't determine the address. If Mailman had determined the address, and it wasn't a list member, it would have just ignored the bounce Hi. The MTA program at mta6-1.us4.outblaze.com was unable to deliver your message to the following addresses. This is a permanent error. This has a Qmail flavor to it, but it doesn't comply with http://cr.yp.to/proto/qsbmf.txt. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Uncaught Bounce Notification
On 02/13/2009 07:29 PM, Jeff Grossman wrote: I received a uncaught bounce notification from one of my lists today. The bounce looks pretty normal, and figured it should have been caught by the bounce system. How do I report bounce formats that did not get caught by the bounce system? Though it would be nice for Mailman to recognize this bounce format and automatically process it, I am questioning if this particular bounce should be acted upon or not. Seeing as how this bounce was generated because the recipient was over quota User's Disk Quota Exceeded, I wonder what the appropriate thing to do is. This is (IMHO) *very* likely to be a transient / temporary error. As such I'm not sure that I would want to act on this particular error. However if a bunch of these errors happened, then I might want to take action. So I'm not sure if this is where the number of bounces (before something is done) comes in to play, or what. Just something to think about. Grant. . . . -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Uncaught Bounce Notification
Grant Taylor wrote: On 02/13/2009 07:29 PM, Jeff Grossman wrote: I received a uncaught bounce notification from one of my lists today. The bounce looks pretty normal, and figured it should have been caught by the bounce system. How do I report bounce formats that did not get caught by the bounce system? Though it would be nice for Mailman to recognize this bounce format and automatically process it, I am questioning if this particular bounce should be acted upon or not. That question hinges on whether or not the bounce should be considered a permanent or a temporary failure. The bounce itself says This is a permanent error. Seeing as how this bounce was generated because the recipient was over quota User's Disk Quota Exceeded, I wonder what the appropriate thing to do is. This is (IMHO) *very* likely to be a transient / temporary error. I disagree. I think it is likely to be an abandoned account, but in any case, with default bounce processing settings, The user's delivery won't be disabled until a bounce like this is received on 5 separate days. As such I'm not sure that I would want to act on this particular error. However if a bunch of these errors happened, then I might want to take action. So I'm not sure if this is where the number of bounces (before something is done) comes in to play, or what. Just something to think about. Exactly. Also note that the message also said Your message totalled 23 Kbytes. However a small ( 1Kb) message will be delivered should you wish to inform your recipient you tried to email. So probably when we disable the user's delivery after 5 days of bounces, the disabled notice we send to the user might be accepted, and with default settings, the user won't be unsubscribed until 3 weeks and two more notices later. Granted, this could be a user on an extended vacation (over a month), but in that case, ultimately unsubscribing the user is easy to reverse and is small penalty for the user's forgetting to disable list delivery. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Uncaught Bounce Notification
* Grant Taylor wrote: On 02/13/2009 07:29 PM, Jeff Grossman wrote: I received a uncaught bounce notification from one of my lists today. The bounce looks pretty normal, and figured it should have been caught by the bounce system. How do I report bounce formats that did not get caught by the bounce system? Though it would be nice for Mailman to recognize this bounce format and automatically process it, I am questioning if this particular bounce should be acted upon or not. That question hinges on whether or not the bounce should be considered a permanent or a temporary failure. The bounce itself says This is a permanent error. Seeing as how this bounce was generated because the recipient was over quota User's Disk Quota Exceeded, I wonder what the appropriate thing to do is. This is (IMHO) *very* likely to be a transient / temporary error. I disagree. I think it is likely to be an abandoned account, but in any case, with default bounce processing settings, The user's delivery won't be disabled until a bounce like this is received on 5 separate days. As such I'm not sure that I would want to act on this particular error. However if a bunch of these errors happened, then I might want to take action. So I'm not sure if this is where the number of bounces (before something is done) comes in to play, or what. Just something to think about. Exactly. Also note that the message also said Your message totalled 23 Kbytes. However a small ( 1Kb) message will be delivered should you wish to inform your recipient you tried to email. So probably when we disable the user's delivery after 5 days of bounces, the disabled notice we send to the user might be accepted, and with default settings, the user won't be unsubscribed until 3 weeks and two more notices later. Granted, this could be a user on an extended vacation (over a month), but in that case, ultimately unsubscribing the user is easy to reverse and is small penalty for the user's forgetting to disable list delivery. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- * I have TEN guys on one of my cPanel List that travel a LOT and (used to -:) ) Forget to either STOP their subscription or UN-sub. That BOUNCE(s) used to drive me NUTS until I REALLY put my foot down AFTER contacting each Lister and finding out what-was-what and then or THIRD occurrence (each) I banned them which DID 'get their attention' !!! -:) At the very beginning of the 1st gent causing it, I also was REALLY 'wondering' and was actually going to ask the same sort of thing as Jeff had. Investigate, investigate, investigate. -:) Ed -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Uncaught Bounce Notification
On 02/14/2009 07:04 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: That question hinges on whether or not the bounce should be considered a permanent or a temporary failure. The bounce itself says This is a permanent error. Agreed. However I believe the permanent or temporary nature that the bounce is speaking of is on the SMTP level, thus the sending server should not try to send this given message again. I think it is a flaw to extend this SMTP meaning up to actual future (different) message delivery. I disagree. I think it is likely to be an abandoned account, but in any case, with default bounce processing settings, The user's delivery won't be disabled until a bounce like this is received on 5 separate days. Possibly. My experience with my customer shows that people are likely to hit their quota over a weekend or a vacation. When they come back the following week (or when ever) and POP all their messages out of their box, the /temporary/ error is corrected. Granted my experience may be limited to my customer scope and more than likely does not apply to someone like GMail or HotMail or Yahoo. I guess it depends on the customer base. So probably when we disable the user's delivery after 5 days of bounces, the disabled notice we send to the user might be accepted, and with default settings, the user won't be unsubscribed until 3 weeks and two more notices later. Agreed... as long as there is not 23 kB worth of email received in the next 3 weeks. However if the user does not clean out their mail box in that time this leads credence to the likely hood that the account is abandoned. Granted, this could be a user on an extended vacation (over a month), but in that case, ultimately unsubscribing the user is easy to reverse and is small penalty for the user's forgetting to disable list delivery. True... Grant. . . . P.S. I find it interesting that the bounce is eluding to the amount of space remaining in the account. This is (in my experience) extremely unusual. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Uncaught Bounce Notification
Grant Taylor wrote: P.S. I find it interesting that the bounce is eluding to the amount of space remaining in the account. This is (in my experience) extremely unusual. As I read the bounce, it says Sorry, your intended recipient has too much mail stored in his mailbox. Your message totalled 23 Kbytes. However a small ( 1Kb) message will be delivered should you wish to inform your recipient you tried to email. and I interpret that to mean that even though the user is over quota, the MTA will accept a 1 KB message to allow you to try to notify the user of the problem, not that the user is 1 KB below quota. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Uncaught Bounce Notification
On 02/14/2009 08:08 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: and I interpret that to mean that even though the user is over quota, the MTA will accept a 1 KB message to allow you to try to notify the user of the problem, not that the user is 1 KB below quota. *nod* Hopefully there is a limit to how far over quota the mail box can be before the server stops accepting small messages, or it would still be possible to DoS the system. Grant. . . . -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Uncaught Bounce Notification
Grant Taylor wrote: On 02/13/2009 07:29 PM, Jeff Grossman wrote: I received a uncaught bounce notification from one of my lists today. The bounce looks pretty normal, and figured it should have been caught by the bounce system. How do I report bounce formats that did not get caught by the bounce system? Though it would be nice for Mailman to recognize this bounce format and automatically process it, I am questioning if this particular bounce should be acted upon or not. Seeing as how this bounce was generated because the recipient was over quota User's Disk Quota Exceeded, I wonder what the appropriate thing to do is. This is (IMHO) *very* likely to be a transient / temporary error. As such I'm not sure that I would want to act on this particular error. However if a bunch of these errors happened, then I might want to take action. So I'm not sure if this is where the number of bounces (before something is done) comes in to play, or what. Just something to think about. Don't temporary failures get a score of 0.5 while a permanent failure gets a score of 1.0? So, if that is the case, these temporary failures would take longer to suspend the account. I think these should be counted. Jeff -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Uncaught Bounce Notification
on 2/14/09 7:32 PM, Grant Taylor said: Agreed. However I believe the permanent or temporary nature that the bounce is speaking of is on the SMTP level, thus the sending server should not try to send this given message again. I think it is a flaw to extend this SMTP meaning up to actual future (different) message delivery. This is an excellent point. I don't think I could have said it better myself. -- Brad Knowles b...@shub-internet.orgIf you like Jazz/RB guitar, check out LinkedIn Profile: my friend bigsbytracks on YouTube at http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxuhttp://preview.tinyurl.com/bigsbytracks -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
[Mailman-Users] Uncaught Bounce Notification
I received a uncaught bounce notification from one of my lists today. The bounce looks pretty normal, and figured it should have been caught by the bounce system. How do I report bounce formats that did not get caught by the bounce system? Here is the bounce. I changed the e-mail address. And, yes the e-mail address is currently subscribed to the list. Hi. The MTA program at mta6-1.us4.outblaze.com was unable to deliver your message to the following addresses. This is a permanent error. x...@x: Error 01373: User's Disk Quota Exceeded. Sorry, your intended recipient has too much mail stored in his mailbox. Your message totalled 23 Kbytes. However a small ( 1Kb) message will be delivered should you wish to inform your recipient you tried to email. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Uncaught bounce notification: Why this message , I haven't sent Any mails
kk CHN wrote: I have few mailing lists running on Mailman(I am the list administrator for these lists ) : for the last few days I am getting a message regularly with subject line like this : Uncaught bounce notification I havn't sent any mails to the address ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) still I am receiving the Uncaught bounce notificationemail to my list administration id got annoyed How can I control this Or whats happening here with my mail system ? Spammers or confused list members are sending mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] These are addresses used by Mailman's automated bounce processing. When an ordinary message arrives at one of these addresses, Mailman can't parse it as a Delivery Status Notification and forwards it to the list owner. You can't stop spammers from mailing to the address, but you can stop the notices by turning off bounce_unrecognized_goes_to_list_owner on the admin Bounce processing page. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Uncaught bounce notification: Why this message , I haven't sent Any mails
kk CHN wrote: I have few mailing lists running on Mailman(I am the list administrator for these lists ) : for the last few days I am getting a message regularly with subject line like this : Uncaught bounce notification I havn't sent any mails to the address ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) still I am receiving the Uncaught bounce notificationemail to my list administration id got annoyed How can I control this Or whats happening here with my mail system ? and Mark Sapiro replied: Spammers or confused list members are sending mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] These are addresses used by Mailman's automated bounce processing. When an ordinary message arrives at one of these addresses, Mailman can't parse it as a Delivery Status Notification and forwards it to the list owner. You can't stop spammers from mailing to the address, but you can stop the notices by turning off bounce_unrecognized_goes_to_list_owner on the admin Bounce processing page. We have a problem here where mail from a Mailman list is sent to a BlackBerry device. When the recipient does a reply-all, one of the reply recipients is the list -bounce address. This appears to be a bug in the BlackBerry MUA code, but we have not verified it with BlackBerry, as we get our BlackBerry support from Nextel. -- Barry S. Finkel Computing and Information Systems Division Argonne National Laboratory Phone:+1 (630) 252-7277 9700 South Cass Avenue Facsimile:+1 (630) 252-4601 Building 222, Room D209 Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Argonne, IL 60439-4828 IBMMAIL: I1004994 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Uncaught bounce notification: Why this message , I haven't sent Any mails
On 12/17/07, kk CHN wrote: I have few mailing lists running on Mailman(I am the list administrator for these lists ) : for the last few days I am getting a message regularly with subject line like this : Uncaught bounce notification In this case, someone sent out spam, claiming to be your mailing list. The bounce comes back to Mailman, but since you didn't actually send the message in question, Mailman doesn't know what to do with it. Therefore, Mailman sends to message to you, as list owner. -- Brad Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED] LinkedIn Profile: http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Uncaught bounce notification: Why this message , I haven't sent Any mails
On Dec 17, 2007 11:20 AM, Barry Finkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We have a problem here where mail from a Mailman list is sent to a BlackBerry device. When the recipient does a reply-all, one of the reply recipients is the list -bounce address. This appears to be a bug in the BlackBerry MUA code, but we have not verified it with BlackBerry, as we get our BlackBerry support from Nextel. I have seen this phenomena from my Blackberry users as well. But I have no connection with Blackberry, as this are not commercial lists and I don't own one. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] Uncaught bounce notification: Why this message , I haven't sent Any mails
Hello everybody ; I have few mailing lists running on Mailman(I am the list administrator for these lists ) : for the last few days I am getting a message regularly with subject line like this : Uncaught bounce notification I havn't sent any mails to the address ([EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.webmail.cdac.in/twig/index.php?s%5Bmailbox%5D=INBOXs%5BmailGroup%5D=%2As%5Bmail_startmsg%5D=1s%5Bsortby%5D=dates%5Bsortbyway%5D=1s%5Bdelete-return%5D=msgviews%5Bmailtree%5D=0%7Cc%5Bf%5D=mailc%5Ba%5D=compose[EMAIL PROTECTED]) still I am receiving the Uncaught bounce notificationemail to my list administration id got annoyed How can I control this Or whats happening here with my mail system ? Anybody here plese help me why this happened , what I have to take care for not repeat this again . THANKS IN ADVANCE KK The content of the message as follows The attached message was received as a bounce, but either the bounce format was not recognized, or no member addresses could be extracted from it. This mailing list has been configured to send all unrecognized bounce messages to the list administrator(s). For more information see: http://lists.mytestsite.com/mailman/admin/technical/bounce http://lists.iosn.net/mailman/admin/iosn-technical/bounce -- This message was created automatically by mail delivery software. A message that you sent has not yet been delivered to one or more of its recipients after 3 days. The message has not yet been delivered to the following addresses: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.webmail.cdac.in/twig/index.php?s%5Bmailbox%5D=INBOXs%5BmailGroup%5D=%2As%5Bmail_startmsg%5D=1s%5Bsortby%5D=dates%5Bsortbyway%5D=1s%5Bdelete-return%5D=msgviews%5Bmailtree%5D=0%7Cc%5Bf%5D=mailc%5Ba%5D=compose[EMAIL PROTECTED] host boa-graphics.com[192.160.1.1]: connection to mail exchanger failed with timeout No action is required on your part. Delivery attempts will continue for some time, and this warning may be repeated at intervals if the message remains undelivered. Eventually the mail delivery software will give up, and when that happens, the message will be returned to you. --- The header of the original message is following. --- Received-SPF: none (mxeu22: 203.189.25.12 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of mysite.com) client-ip=203.189.25.12; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; helo=mysite.com http://www.webmail.cdac.in/twig/index.php?s%5Bmailbox%5D=INBOXs%5BmailGroup%5D=%2As%5Bmail_startmsg%5D=1s%5Bsortby%5D=dates%5Bsortbyway%5D=1s%5Bdelete-return%5D=msgviews%5Bmailtree%5D=0%7Cc%5Bf%5D=mailc%5Ba%5D=compose[EMAIL PROTECTED];helo=devel.iosn.net; Received: from mysite.com (mysite.com [203.189.25.12]) by mx.kundenserver.de (node=mxeu22) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKr6C-1J1inZ3pt2-0003YH for [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.webmail.cdac.in/twig/index.php?s%5Bmailbox%5D=INBOXs%5BmailGroup%5D=%2As%5Bmail_startmsg%5D=1s%5Bsortby%5D=dates%5Bsortbyway%5D=1s%5Bdelete-return%5D=msgviews%5Bmailtree%5D=0%7Cc%5Bf%5D=mailc%5Ba%5D=compose[EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 14:35:57 +0100 Received: from mysite.com (mysite.com [203.189.25.12]) by mysite.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E44152EBAF0 for [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.webmail.cdac.in/twig/index.php?s%5Bmailbox%5D=INBOXs%5BmailGroup%5D=%2As%5Bmail_startmsg%5D=1s%5Bsortby%5D=dates%5Bsortbyway%5D=1s%5Bdelete-return%5D=msgviews%5Bmailtree%5D=0%7Cc%5Bf%5D=mailc%5Ba%5D=compose[EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 19:05:17 +0530 (IST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Your message to technical awaits moderator approval From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.webmail.cdac.in/twig/index.php?s%5Bmailbox%5D=INBOXs%5BmailGroup%5D=%2As%5Bmail_startmsg%5D=1s%5Bsortby%5D=dates%5Bsortbyway%5D=1s%5Bdelete-return%5D=msgviews%5Bmailtree%5D=0%7Cc%5Bf%5D=mailc%5Ba%5D=compose[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.webmail.cdac.in/twig/index.php?s%5Bmailbox%5D=INBOXs%5BmailGroup%5D=%2As%5Bmail_startmsg%5D=1s%5Bsortby%5D=dates%5Bsortbyway%5D=1s%5Bdelete-return%5D=msgviews%5Bmailtree%5D=0%7Cc%5Bf%5D=mailc%5Ba%5D=compose[EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.webmail.cdac.in/twig/index.php?s%5Bmailbox%5D=INBOXs%5BmailGroup%5D=%2As%5Bmail_startmsg%5D=1s%5Bsortby%5D=dates%5Bsortbyway%5D=1s%5Bdelete-return%5D=msgviews%5Bmailtree%5D=0%7Cc%5Bf%5D=mailc%5Ba%5D=compose[EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 19:05:16 +0530 Precedence: bulk X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.webmail.cdac.in/twig/index.php?s%5Bmailbox%5D=INBOXs%5BmailGroup%5D=%2As%5Bmail_startmsg%5D=1s%5Bsortby%5D=dates%5Bsortbyway%5D=1s%5Bdelete-return%5D=msgviews%5Bmailtree%5D=0%7Cc%5Bf%5D=mailc%5Ba%5D=compose[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 List-Id: Technical discussions related to MyWork technical.mysite.com X-List-Administrivia: yes Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Mailman-Users] Uncaught bounce notification - Out-of-Office
I, as co-owner of a Mailman 2.1.9 list, received this message: Subject: Uncaught bounce notification The attached message was received as a bounce, but either the bounce format was not recognized, or no member addresses could be extracted from it. This mailing list has been configured to send all unrecognized bounce messages to the list administrator(s). ... From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... I will be out of my office from Monday July 23 till Wednesday July 25. I will get back to you as soon as possible. Are there plans for Mailman to be able to intercept out-of-office replies and ignore them? Or is the format of the text too variable to be able to parse the OOO message? The text says or no member addresses could be extracted from it, but the recipient's address is clearly in the From: line of the mail sent back to LISTNAME-bounces. These OOO messages should not increase the recipient's bounce score. Thanks. -- Barry S. Finkel Computing and Information Systems Division Argonne National Laboratory Phone:+1 (630) 252-7277 9700 South Cass Avenue Facsimile:+1 (630) 252-4601 Building 222, Room D209 Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Argonne, IL 60439-4828 IBMMAIL: I1004994 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Uncaught bounce notification - Out-of-Office
On Tue, 2007-07-24 at 08:12 -0500, Barry Finkel wrote: Or is the format of the text too variable to be able to parse the OOO message? Bingo! No Standard, and even if there was one most wouldn't follow it. The 2 biggest offenders I see are Outlook/Exchange and Lotus Notes, of which neither tries to implement any OoO standard. -Jim P. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] Uncaught bounce notification - Out-of-Office
Barry Finkel writes: The attached message was received as a bounce, but either the bounce format was not recognized, This is the relevant case here. If the message doesn't look like an MTA bounce, it's probably a bad idea to treat it as a bounce. ML admin addresses get a fair amount of spam, and often enough the spam will contain member addresses. or no member addresses could be extracted from it. Are there plans for Mailman to be able to intercept out-of-office replies and ignore them? Not worth the effort because of the variability of format, and the high probability of false positives of the form P.S. I'll be out of the office next week. in a post with real content. If you have users who use vacation programs, you probably have the best idea of what their messages look like, and you should just catch them in your filters with the other spam du jour. The text says or no member addresses could be extracted from it, but the recipient's address is clearly in the From: line of the mail sent back to LISTNAME-bounces. These OOO messages should not increase the recipient's bounce score. They don't. But if there was a setting to immediately unsubscribe and ban users who send OOO messages to my lists, I'd use it.0.5 wink -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Uncaught bounce notification - Out-of-Office
On Tue, 24 Jul 2007, Barry Finkel wrote: Are there plans for Mailman to be able to intercept out-of-office replies and ignore them? Or is the format of the text too variable to be able to parse the OOO message? I've solved this problem locally using a procmail rule, and I think the method could be implemented in mailman itself if others thought it worthwhile. I only send on to mailman messages that match procmail's FROM_MAILER check, anything else is sent directly to a human. My theory is if the message isn't from a mailer-daemon, than it probably isn't a bounce. For those not familiar with procmail, FROM_MAILER expands to a faily complicated regex designed to catch mail from any mailer-daemon. `(^(((Resent-)?(From|Sender)|X-Envelope-From): |?From )([^]*[^([EMAIL PROTECTED])?(Post(ma(st(er)?|n)|office) |(send)?Mail(er)?|daemon|mmdf|n?uucp|ops|r(esponse|oot) |(bbs\.)?smtp(error)?|s(erv(ices?|er)|ystem) |A(dmin(istrator)?|MMGR))(([^).!:a-z0-9][-_a-z0-9]*)?[%@\t ][^)]*(\(.*\).*)?)?$([^]|$))' The aliases entry looks like this: listname-bounces: \ |/usr/local/bin/procmail -m /etc/mail/listname-bounces.rc listname-bounces.mc has: # Only send stuff from the mailer to mailman :0 * ^FROM_MAILER | /home/mailman/mail/mailman bounces listname #Everything else to a human :0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] == Chris Candreva -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- (914) 948-3162 WestNet Internet Services of Westchester http://www.westnet.com/ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Uncaught bounce notification loop
Brian Parish wrote: With *bounce_processing set to Yes on one list I get: * The attached message was received as a bounce... messages, with the same message attached many times. i.e. The Uncaught bounce notification IS the attached message. These continue streaming out until I turn off *bounce_processing This loop should not occur. Unless the owner address(es) for the site (mailman) list bounce. Uncaught bounce notifications are send from sitelist-owner with envelope from sitelist-owner. Thus, if the list owner address bounces, and the bounce is uncaught, the new notice will be sent to the owner of the site list, which should be deliverable. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] Uncaught bounce notification loop
With *bounce_processing set to Yes on one list I get: * The attached message was received as a bounce... messages, with the same message attached many times. i.e. The Uncaught bounce notification IS the attached message. These continue streaming out until I turn off *bounce_processing Clues for the clueless? TIA Brian * -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] Uncaught bounce notification question/problem
When one user on one of my lists replies to list messages, they get sent to the bounce address and show up as uncaught bounces. I understand why this is happening, so that itself isn't my question. In the latest instance, this user also CC'ed the correct list address. It looks like the message was sent to: To: A individual address To: The list-bounces address CC: The correct list address My question is why the message never showed up for moderation (the list is moderated)? All that showed up was the uncaught bounce message. It seems that the actual message should also have come through. Is duplicates processing preventing that? In this case, I would prefer that the real message be processed and the bounce message be discarded instead of the other way around. If this isn't the case, what could have caused the message not to come through? Here are the headers (with stuff crossed out or changed): Received: from gatekeeper-sef.rcbhsc.wvu.edu (gatekeeper.rcbhsc.wvu.edu [xxx.xxx.216.2]) by xx.xxx.xxx.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j29IZVUc013396; Wed, 9 Mar 2005 13:35:33 -0500 Received: from nt-exchange1.xxxh.xxxhs.com by gatekeeper-sef.rcbhsc.xxx.edu via smtpd (for dslxxx-xxx-039.phl1.dsl.xxx.net [xxx.xxx.233.39]) with ESMTP; Wed, 9 Mar 2005 13:35:32 -0500 Received: (private information removed) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Jones, Sally [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Richard J Smith ' [EMAIL PROTECTED], '[EMAIL PROTECTED] ' [EMAIL PROTECTED], '[EMAIL PROTECTED] ' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED] ' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [BogusList] Subject Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 13:35:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://www.bogusdomain.org/mailman/listinfo/boguslist, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Unsubscribe: http://www.bogusdomain.org/mailman/listinfo/boguslist, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-3, 6-7, 20-21, 30-31, 34-35, 43-45, 48, 55-56, 58, 63-64, 68-69, 76-77, 79 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 X-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Uncaught bounce notification question/problem
John Swartzentruber wrote: When one user on one of my lists replies to list messages, they get sent to the bounce address and show up as uncaught bounces. I understand why this is happening, so that itself isn't my question. In the latest instance, this user also CC'ed the correct list address. It looks like the message was sent to: To: A individual address To: The list-bounces address CC: The correct list address My question is why the message never showed up for moderation (the list is moderated)? All that showed up was the uncaught bounce message. It seems that the actual message should also have come through. Is duplicates processing preventing that? In this case, I would prefer that the real message be processed and the bounce message be discarded instead of the other way around. If this isn't the case, what could have caused the message not to come through? The header - X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm guessing that these headers came from the unrecognized bounce e-mail that you received. If that is the case, the reply contains way too many headers from the original message that should not be included in a reply. Rather than a reply, it looks like a redirect or resend. But then, if these are headers from the bounce, I don't know why it would be unrecognized as the reply address [EMAIL PROTECTED] appears to be a VERP like address that should always be recognizable regardless of message content. Here are the headers (with stuff crossed out or changed): Received: from gatekeeper-sef.rcbhsc.wvu.edu (gatekeeper.rcbhsc.wvu.edu [xxx.xxx.216.2]) by xx.xxx.xxx.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j29IZVUc013396; Wed, 9 Mar 2005 13:35:33 -0500 Received: from nt-exchange1.xxxh.xxxhs.com by gatekeeper-sef.rcbhsc.xxx.edu via smtpd (for dslxxx-xxx-039.phl1.dsl.xxx.net [xxx.xxx.233.39]) with ESMTP; Wed, 9 Mar 2005 13:35:32 -0500 Received: (private information removed) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Jones, Sally [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Richard J Smith ' [EMAIL PROTECTED], '[EMAIL PROTECTED] ' [EMAIL PROTECTED], '[EMAIL PROTECTED] ' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED] ' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [BogusList] Subject Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 13:35:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://www.bogusdomain.org/mailman/listinfo/boguslist, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Unsubscribe: http://www.bogusdomain.org/mailman/listinfo/boguslist, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-3, 6-7, 20-21, 30-31, 34-35, 43-45, 48, 55-56, 58, 63-64, 68-69, 76-77, 79 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 X-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
