Re: [Mailman-Users] Html

[Kevin McCann]

At 09:06 AM 2001/03/21 -0500, you wrote:
>Hi,
>
>We are thinking of using mailman for our list management.  Can you send
>html messages with Mailman? Do you have to be a linux pro to use
>Mailman?  Are there any limitations to Mailman?

Hello Nancy,

Mailman, like most other mailing list managers, will send mail out as it is 
received. If someone sends an email with HTML, the message should get sent 
with HTML (unless you apply a filter to discard it).

The term "pro" is subjective, I think, but you should have someone who is 
well-versed enough with Linux to be able to install the product according 
to the instructions and be able to respond to various technical issues that 
come up. The more knowledge the person has of the environment, the better 
they'll be able to support Mailman.

There are limitations to every product, including Mailman (I'm still 
looking for piece of software that will function as expected and do my 
laundry, too ;-). There is a wish list on the Mailman website and that will 
indicate what niceties are not in the current release. If none of them are 
of great importance to you, Mailman may very well suit your needs.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Html

[Nigel Metheringham]

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> We are thinking of using mailman for our list management.  Can you
> send html messages with Mailman?

Mailman will handle HTML and any other type of mail without problem 
when sending it out to the list however there are 2 caveats:-

 1. If you use the mail interface to subscribe/unsubscribe/change-option
s
etc, then you need to send plain text mail.
In general this is a very minor problem and can be pretty much
ignored (most people aren't aware there is a mail command 
interface).

 2. The bundled archiver, pipermail, does not handle non-plain-text or
attachments of any type at all well.  You can get round this by
using an external archiver such as MHonArc, but that makes the
setup and maintenance more complex.
This is likely to be a bigger issue for you.
 
Nigel.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML ...

[WC Jones]

>Since you have removed the meta-tag  the web-based
>Listinfo information will now be independent of whatever text you put
>into the detailed list description on the General page of the web-admin.


What about general HTML non-sense or stupid tricks:

http://insecurity.org/images/elohayelohim.jpg)">

???
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Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML ...

[Jon Carnes]

On Wed, 2004-02-11 at 16:57, WC Jones wrote:
> >Since you have removed the meta-tag  the web-based
> >Listinfo information will now be independent of whatever text you put
> >into the detailed list description on the General page of the web-admin.
> 
> 
> What about general HTML non-sense or stupid tricks:
> 
> http://insecurity.org/images/elohayelohim.jpg)">
> 
> ???
> -Sx-
> 
As long as it's not "tub girl" enjoy yourself! (and you would add that
in the actual html for the listinfo page - not in the list description).

Jon

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Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML

[Jamie L. Penman-Smithson]

On Wed, 2004-03-24 at 13:09, Sean Carnahan wrote:
> I have read that people can send HTML emails via mailman, yet I
> cannot. I have read the info, checked off to NOT strip html into pain
> text, yet when I get email sent it puts all the web based pics into
> the attachment box and send a plain looking email.
>  
> is there any way to send HTML template email to my newsletter list via
> mailman, with pictures and colors and backgrounds not stripped off?

HTML mail is pure evil, in addition, some MUA's cannot cope with HTML
mail, or do not render it properly. Plus it adds a whole load of
unneeded bloat, and can be a security risk - especially when used in
conjunction with 'LookOut'.

http://www.betips.net/etc/evilmail.html
http://www.georgedillon.com/web/html_email_is_evil_still.shtml
http://www.usethesource.com/articles/03/04/07/14.shtml

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RE: [Mailman-Users] HTML

[Sean Carnahan]

Yes I agree its not wonderful

But I send out a newsletter that has to have graphics and flyers and if not
colorful they arent as effective for promotion.
Any ideas on how to do it even if you don't like it?

 

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On Wed, 2004-03-24 at 13:09, Sean Carnahan wrote:
> I have read that people can send HTML emails via mailman, yet I 
> cannot. I have read the info, checked off to NOT strip html into pain 
> text, yet when I get email sent it puts all the web based pics into 
> the attachment box and send a plain looking email.
>  
> is there any way to send HTML template email to my newsletter list via 
> mailman, with pictures and colors and backgrounds not stripped off?

HTML mail is pure evil, in addition, some MUA's cannot cope with HTML mail,
or do not render it properly. Plus it adds a whole load of unneeded bloat,
and can be a security risk - especially when used in conjunction with
'LookOut'.

http://www.betips.net/etc/evilmail.html
http://www.georgedillon.com/web/html_email_is_evil_still.shtml
http://www.usethesource.com/articles/03/04/07/14.shtml

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RE: [Mailman-Users] HTML

[Jamie L. Penman-Smithson]

On Thu, 2004-03-25 at 00:00, Sean Carnahan wrote:
> Yes I agree its not wonderful
> 
> But I send out a newsletter that has to have graphics and flyers and if not
> colorful they arent as effective for promotion.
> Any ideas on how to do it even if you don't like it?

It's not just that *I* don't like it, millions of other poor innocent
people don't like it. Hear the voice of reason, do not subject the
masses to such evil.

If you want to promote your company or service, use the web, you can
link to it in your emails. Email should be a plain text medium. You also
have the advantage of knowing that your message is going to look the
same in any email client in the world.

HTML is plain dangerous, there have been numerous examples of virii
spreading using HTML and vulnerabilities in everyone's favourite MUA -
Lookout. As a duty of care to your 'customers' do not use it, they'll
thank you for it eventually.

"HTML usually looks like it has been designed by stoned amateur
chimpanzees using Front Page Express with their feet"

Oh, and if you think you actually like flashy-seizure-inducing HTML mail
- I wholeheartedly invite you to take an agonising look at
http://www.seizurerobots.com

This is getting way off topic, this is all I'm going to say on the
subject.

Have a nice HTML-mail-clean day,

-j

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RE: [Mailman-Users] HTML

[Sean]

> Yes I agree its not wonderful
>
> But I send out a newsletter that has to have graphics and flyers and if
> not colorful they arent as effective for promotion.
> Any ideas on how to do it even if you don't like it?

Put the promotion newsletter on your site and use the list to mail out a
URL to your newsletter.

Sean

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RE: [Mailman-Users] HTML

[Sean Carnahan]

Thanks for the input, and linking it to a site with html is good idea.  
I still wish to know if html email is possible through mailman.
I don't make stoner harmful and virus laden emails, 
I wish to send graphic template emails as we've been doing for years now.
And want to know if mailman can do so and if you all could show me how.
I would appreciate it.

Can I send such emails and how do I configure mailman to do so?

sean 

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> Yes I agree its not wonderful
>
> But I send out a newsletter that has to have graphics and flyers and 
> if not colorful they arent as effective for promotion.
> Any ideas on how to do it even if you don't like it?

Put the promotion newsletter on your site and use the list to mail out a URL
to your newsletter.

Sean

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Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML

[texas critter]

On Thursday, March 25, 2004 7:30 AM, Sean Carnahan wrote:

> Thanks for the input, and linking it to a site with html is good
> idea.
> I still wish to know if html email is possible through mailman.

Yes you can.  But I'm afraid I've lost sight of the original problem you're
experiencing.  There is nothing prohibiting html messages thru mailman
except the individual settings for your list.

Have you looked at your Content Filtering settings?

Is is set to convert html to plain text?

Is it set to remove attachments with the text/html content type?

What happens when you send html messages?

What exactly do you see?

Do the html tags get displayed as text rather than showing the html result?

Or do you just see the text, no html tags, no html?

Perhaps it's something in your particular email program?

Have you tried a different email program or a webmail site?

While I'm not fond of html in email, it's not an evil thing all on its own.
Html in itself is not a virus.  And even email with viruses can be read
safely if you're not using an insecure email program or if you're using an
insecure program in a safe manner (fully patched, read in plain text only).
I use OE to read all my email but I take the proper precautions to prevent
any virus infected or spyware infected email from being able to do its
damage.  (And as soon as Mozilla's Thunderbird gets a bit further along in
development, I'll most likely be switching to that, I stopped using IE for
browsing ages ago, Mozilla and Mozilla Firefox are the best browsers out
there.)

IMHO, YMMV, HAND.

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RE: [Mailman-Users] HTML

[Sean Carnahan]

Yes you can.  But I'm afraid I've lost sight of the original problem you're
experiencing.  There is nothing prohibiting html messages thru mailman
except the individual settings for your list.

Have you looked at your Content Filtering settings?
- yes

Is is set to convert html to plain text?
- no, its set not to convert it.

Is it set to remove attachments with the text/html content type?
-Not sure haven't looked at this and will do so now.

What happens when you send html messages?

-When I send one out, it send it but when it comes over, it has all the
graphics as attachments, and the text is laid out but with html link tags
shows instead,  it still comes as html, just strips the graphics I have sent
that are embedded , such as sending a html webpage from site to the list.
But when it comes the text and all are there, the graphics(jpgs) are removed
from seeing and sent on as attached files.

 
What exactly do you see?
-See above


Do the html tags get displayed as text rather than showing the html result?
-Yes

Or do you just see the text, no html tags, no html?
-I see text, in html, with tags and links ive made for things.

Perhaps it's something in your particular email program?
-I send via outlook to mailman 2.1.3

Have you tried a different email program or a webmail site?
-I don't have another email program, will try form another site and see
what's up.

\
Thanks you so much for looking into this with me.
I hope to sort it out as bcentral, which I was using for emails, is just one
helluva pricey thing.
But it send s out just what I need. I am sure mailman can do the job but
have to get over this hump.

THANKS!!!

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Re: [Mailman-Users] html files

[Jon Carnes]

You should be able to retrace the install steps (after backing everything 
up this time!), and recover everything without losing anything.

If you compiled from the Tarballs and still have the source you may be able 
to just cd to that dir and type: "make install"

Jon Carnes

On Monday 22 October 2001 18:14, Evan N McNabb wrote:
> We have been using Mailman for quite some time without any problems.
> Somehow as we were upgrading a server the HTML directory containing the
> admin pages was deleted. Everything seems to be running just fine
> still (the lists that is) but we can't manage the admin pages for the
> lists. Is there any way to regenerate those pages? Thanks.
>
> -Evan
>
> P.S. I'm not on the mailing list so could you mail me back at my address?
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Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML Email

[Devdas Bhagat]

On 15/01/02 13:27 -0600, Tom Warfield wrote:
> If I send a HTML email to the lists it sends it on perfectly fine to all
> the list subscribers.  But the footer that I want attached to all emails
> sent to the list doesn't show up at all...not even in the source of the
> email so im thinking it doesn't send it when you send HTML based email?
It attaches the email. The email client does not show the footer,
because it occurs after .
See archives and FAQ.

Devdas Bhagat

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RE: [Mailman-Users] HTML Email

[Tom Warfield]

Okay I have checked the FAQ's about this and see nothing on it, which I
had done the first time before I posted.  Now as for the archives,
question for the masses...how do you effectively search the archives?  I
mean they are not posted to the website so that you can search them,
which is very frustrating if you ask me. I guess were suppose to read
every email there is. 

But anyways back to this problem with HTML Email.  I have received 4
emails from different people, and all of them are asking me basically
"If you figure this out please let me know because I haven't figured it
out either and it is kind of frustrating".  I agree with them, but still
have not found a fix to this issue myself.  If you are using this in the
manner in which we are, which is to send out informative newsletters to
our customers and members of our organization, then anytime you can make
something flashy it gets there attention better then just plain text.  

So now I am faced with this question.  Is this a new feature or is this
a bug fix that needs to be reported?  I found that it does try and
attach the footer, but since it is an HTML email it attaches the footer
at the bottom of the message which is the wrong place.  It should be
attaching itself before the  and in proper HTML format as well.  

So is this a bugfix or a new feature request?

Thanks,
Tom 

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On 15/01/02 13:27 -0600, Tom Warfield wrote:
> If I send a HTML email to the lists it sends it on perfectly fine to
all
> the list subscribers.  But the footer that I want attached to all
emails
> sent to the list doesn't show up at all...not even in the source of
the
> email so im thinking it doesn't send it when you send HTML based
email?
It attaches the email. The email client does not show the footer,
because it occurs after .
See archives and FAQ.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML Email

[Ashley M. Kirchner]

Tom Warfield wrote:

> So now I am faced with this question.  Is this a new feature or is this
> a bug fix that needs to be reported?  I found that it does try and
> attach the footer, but since it is an HTML email it attaches the footer
> at the bottom of the message which is the wrong place.  It should be
> attaching itself before the  and in proper HTML format as well.

You're asking mailman to open up the HTML mail, read the last few lines to 
determine where the closing  tag is and insert a footer right above that.  This 
is, of course, assuming the original mail was already written properly (_with_ the 
closing tag).  It's also assuming someone's not doing some fancy footwork and creating 
frames, tables or what not in their post, just to attach your footer to it.

I'm not saying this is impossible to do, however don't you think it's a bit much 
to ask from a list program?  Yes, it would be a nice feature if it could do that, but 
really, how many people using mailman actually use it for HTML mail?  Considering how 
many people scream up and down about HTML mail, and some readers that still don't 
support HTML mail...do you really want to go there?

I run several lists on my servers, and of the several thousand subscribers I have, 
perhaps 1% has HTML enabled - even so, no one posts in HTML.

My 2 cents.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML MAILINGS??/

[Nils Vogels]

On Wed, Jun 12, 2002 at 04:11:40AM -0400, johnpaul wrote:
> Does this program support html mailings?
> If it does not do you know of and possibly sell any programs that do?

Depending on the settings used, it /could/ support HTML mailings, yes.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML coding

[G. Armour Van Horn]

I haven't tried this myself yet, but I'm assuming that as long as every
tag continues to be present on the page it doesn't have to be actually
visible to visitors. You should be able to surround some of that info
with comment tags:



for example, should prevent that data from appearing.

Changing the content of those tags to something else would require
actually modifying the Mailman code, something that I'm not about to
attempt myself.

Van

Amy Dollison wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> We are currently using your mailman software at our company.  We would like
> to give a different look and feel to each client for how the email lists
> work.  I've discovered how to change the html code to some extent, but how
> do I change text in the already established text areas?  What I mean is, if
> we don't want to give the client the option of viewing other subscribers,
> how would I go about taking out that text and changing other text in the
> html code when all I can see in the html code is -
>  
> 
> I look forward to your feedback.
> Thanks,
> Amy
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Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML Emails

[Odhiambo Washington]

* Norman Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [20020831 00:25]: wrote:
> I currently have several lists being hosted by another company using Mailman
> 2.1b2.  We want the capability to send html email.  When I send the email,
> it is received as attachments only.  Nothing is in the body of the email.
> Is there a way so that the email is received with the html in the body of
> the message?

I think that is a MUA problem. When someone sends HTML mail and there is no
filtering between the sender and the recipient, the failure to display the
mail correctly is a problem that lies with the mail client, no? I see in
so many lists people send HTML mail and we hate them ;-(


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Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML Templates

[Richard Barrett]

On 26 Mar 2004, at 11:15, Bryan Carbonnell wrote:

Reposting because I got unsubbed from the list and the original got
held. Appologies if you get this twice.
I have looked in the $prefix/templates, $prefix/templates/en and
$prefix/templates/uk directory. I have looked in the FAQ.
Either I'm blind or just plain old dumb, but I can't seem to fine the
HTML template that builds the list of list page. The page that you
first get when you goto example.com/mailman/listinfo/
I found the individual list info template
($prefix/templates/en/listinfo.html), but I can't seem to find the
one that builds the list of lists.
Help. Please?

Unfortunately so in MM 2.1.x that page is not built from a template 
file.

See the listinfo_overview() function defined in 
$prefix/Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py, which generates the page; it starts as 
follows (note the comment):


def listinfo_overview(msg=''):
# Present the general listinfo overview
hostname = Utils.get_domain()
# Set up the document and assign it the correct language.  The only 
one we
# know about at the moment is the server's default.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML Templates

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> Either I'm blind or just plain old dumb, but I can't seem to fine the
> HTML template that builds the list of list page. The page that you
> first get when you goto example.com/mailman/listinfo/
>
A lot of these things are hard coded in the Python source.
You can't change them without editing the python, and then
re-compiling the software.

Even then, you need to be very careful, or otherwise the program will die
with a fatal traceback error. It's a bit tricky.

It's a pity things like this are hard -coded, as otherwie Mailman is
excellent. But there's some things you just can't change.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML Templates

[Bryan Carbonnell]

On 26 Mar 2004 at 12:00, Richard Barrett wrote:

> On 26 Mar 2004, at 11:15, Bryan Carbonnell wrote:

> > Either I'm blind or just plain old dumb, but I can't seem to fine
> > the HTML template that builds the list of list page. The page that
> > you first get when you goto example.com/mailman/listinfo/

> Unfortunately so in MM 2.1.x that page is not built from a template
> file.
> 
> See the listinfo_overview() function defined in 
> $prefix/Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py, which generates the page; it starts
> as follows (note the comment):

Has anyone hacked MM 2.1.4 to use a template for the main listinfo 
page?

I didn't see any patches in the SF patch repository.

If anyone has, was it hard to do? or is it a case of creating a 
template and make the listinfo_overview() similar to list_listinfo()?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML templates

[Mark Sapiro]

Eli Barzilay wrote:

>I was looking at the "Confirm subscription request" and "Subscription
>request confirmed" pages -- there's no way to customize them too,
>right?  Is there at least some way to have my own header used?
>(Without that, having a very customized look means that these pages
>stick like a sore thumb...)


Those pages are built dynamically by Mailman/Cgi/confirm.py. No
templates are involved.

See the Format() method in the Document class in Mailman/htmlformat.py.
It should be clear how to modify that to add css and/or a heading to
all generated pages.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML templates

[Eli Barzilay]

On Jun 10, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> Eli Barzilay wrote:
> 
> >I was looking at the "Confirm subscription request" and "Subscription
> >request confirmed" pages -- there's no way to customize them too,
> >right?  Is there at least some way to have my own header used?
> >(Without that, having a very customized look means that these pages
> >stick like a sore thumb...)
> 
> Those pages are built dynamically by Mailman/Cgi/confirm.py. No
> templates are involved.
> 
> See the Format() method in the Document class in
> Mailman/htmlformat.py.  It should be clear how to modify that to add
> css and/or a heading to all generated pages.

Thanks -- it does look easy to change, but making it fit with the rest
of my framework means that I'd make it use some template files too,
and given that I already patched MM in one place, I'll avoid
another...  (I'm generally trying not to do it too much so it's easy
to upgrade systems.)

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Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML Filtering

[Brad Knowles]

On 8/13/07, Brian Carpenter wrote:

>  I have a client who has some members that use a translation software to
>  translate list messages. The client has the list configured to convert html
>  to plain text. However certain characters still make it through the
>  conversion process:

The actual conversion is done by a command-line program that you can 
specify during the build/installation process, but defaults to 
something like:

HTML_TO_PLAIN_TEXT_COMMAND = '/usr/local/bin/lynx -dump %(filename)s'

If you have a better command to use for handling the filtering, you 
could make this change in your mm_cfg.py file, and that should 
resolve your issue.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML Emails?

[Mark Sapiro]

Wayne Cook wrote:
>
>I'm sending html email to my mailing list and some come out right and  
>others come out like the attached file...anyone know what I have set  
>wrong?

[Moderator note: The attached file, stripped by content filtering, was
a TIFF image of what appears to be an Apple Mail view of a message
with 8 MIME parts shown as attachments and the only thing displayed
inline was the msg_footer.]


What you will see when you view this message with an MUA (mail client)
depends on the particular MUA. See the FAQ at
 for some more insight.

I am guessing you may have a msg_header defined for your list that
appears empty but actually contains some whitespace, and since your
original post was MIME multipart, Mailman just added the msg_header as
the first MIME part and your MUA sees this initial text/plain part as
the message body and then the subsequent parts as attachments.

In order to say anything more definitive we would need to see the "raw
message source" (option-command-U in apple mail) for this message. You
could remove most of the content of the various parts, but we need to
see the all the MIME headers and boundaries for all the message parts.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML Emails?

[Wayne Cook]

Here's a copy/paste of the source code of the message:

http://www.mycoachonline.com/emailsource.html



Thanks
Wayne

On Feb 11, 2010, at 9:45 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:


Wayne Cook wrote:


I'm sending html email to my mailing list and some come out right and
others come out like the attached file...anyone know what I have set
wrong?


[Moderator note: The attached file, stripped by content filtering, was
a TIFF image of what appears to be an Apple Mail view of a message
with 8 MIME parts shown as attachments and the only thing displayed
inline was the msg_footer.]


What you will see when you view this message with an MUA (mail client)
depends on the particular MUA. See the FAQ at
 for some more insight.

I am guessing you may have a msg_header defined for your list that
appears empty but actually contains some whitespace, and since your
original post was MIME multipart, Mailman just added the msg_header as
the first MIME part and your MUA sees this initial text/plain part as
the message body and then the subsequent parts as attachments.

In order to say anything more definitive we would need to see the "raw
message source" (option-command-U in apple mail) for this message. You
could remove most of the content of the various parts, but we need to
see the all the MIME headers and boundaries for all the message parts.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML Emails?

[Mark Sapiro]

Wayne Cook wrote:

>Here's a copy/paste of the source code of the message:
>
>http://www.mycoachonline.com/emailsource.html


Which I downloaded and viewed with both TBird and Apple Mail and I see
an HTML defined page and the message footer. I don't see any problem,
and I don't see anything like the 8 MIME parts that showed in the
original screenshot.

The above file is exactly what I expect. A text/html message was posted
to the list and mailman sent this as a multipart/mixed message with
the original text/html as the first part and a text/plain part
containing the msg_footer as the second part.

I am sending Wayne my screen shots off list.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML Newsletter

[Mark Sapiro]

Dave Filchak wrote:

>Two questions:
>
>1. Can I use Mailman to send out a simple HTML newsletter?


Yes. Go to the FAQ and search for newsletter for help in configuring a
list as a newsletter.


>2. Is there a way to import or subscribe a list of members to a
>particular list .. i.e. a list that will receive the above newsletter?


There is a mass subscribe feature on the admin interface for a list.
There is also a bin/add_members command line tool. Search the FAQ for
mass subscribe and also for bin/ commands.

The FAQ wizard is at
>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

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Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML capability

[Mark Sapiro]

John Brooks wrote:

>I have a client wanting to send HTML based email to a closed 
>read-only list. Can mailman handle this?

Yes

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Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML Tokens

[Mark Sapiro]

Peter Gysegem wrote:

>When editing the HTML for a MailMan web page, there are many tokens such as 
>.  Is there a list anywhere of these tokens and what they do?
>

I'm not aware of any list per se of the  definitions, but the
"standard" ones are defined in Mailman/HTMLFormatter.py and other
"specific" ones are in Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py, options.py, roster.py
and subscribe.py.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML woes

[Brad Knowles]

At 12:40 PM -0500 2005-06-23, Michael Linval wrote:

>  I have read all the past posts I can find.  All I want to do is allow
>  html messages.

Then post messages in HTML, and don't filter them out.

>  Is there any documentation other than the posts that
>  talk about this?

Did you search the FAQ Wizard or the archives of the mailing list?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML in digests?

[alex wetmore]

On Thu, 13 Dec 2001, marina wrote:
> Is there a way to tell Mailman to strip the HTML portions?

There are a few different programs which can be installed along with
Mailman (or one set of patches for Mailman) that strip HTML and
attachments from messages before they are sent to the list.

One that I wrote is http://www.phred.org/~alex/stripmime.html .

There is no built in way to do this.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML in digests?

[Greg Ward]

On 13 December 2001, marina said:
> As a result, this list digests include huge portions of HTML coding - 
> which is perceived as extremely annoying by several users (including 
> some who choose to use HTML mail, of course).

That's a FAQ: see
  http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.008.htp

> Please consider we have no access to the source code.

Yes you do!  Mailman is open source; everyone has access to the source
code.  You may not have the expertise or resources to hack on it, but
that's *not* the same thing.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML in digests?

[Paul Tomblin]

Quoting Greg Ward ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> > Please consider we have no access to the source code.
> 
> Yes you do!  Mailman is open source; everyone has access to the source
> code.  You may not have the expertise or resources to hack on it, but
> that's *not* the same thing.

Or more likely, he has no control over the installation of the software on
the machine he's running the mailing list.  If I let somebody set up a
mailing list on my site, using the copy of mailman that I installed, it is
extremely unlikely that I'm going to let him mess with the source code on
my machine.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML in digests?

[marina]

At 11:43 AM -0500 13/12/01 [dmy], you wrote about [Subject] Re: 
[Mailman-Users] HTML in digests?:
  >Or more likely, he has no control over the installation of the software on
  >the machine he's running the mailing list.  If I let somebody set up a
  >mailing list on my site, using the copy of mailman that I installed, it is
  >extremely unlikely that I'm going to let him mess with the source code on
  >my machine.
  >


That's exactly it, Paul. Thank you for explaining it so clearly. 
Sure, Python is easy to use and Mailman is well written, but we run 
our list on a huge hosting server and we don't have admin privileges.

Unfortunately, I'm afraid this also means we cannot use Alex's suggestion.

 From the point of view of making Mailman more popular or not, it's 
obvious that the first thing users are going to see, is how messy are 
both digests and individual messages. This is giving Mailman a bad 
name.

Thank you anyway, and let's hope that future versions of Mailman make 
it easier to use the software on sites that run multiple lists, where 
each list needs different configuration options.

marina

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Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML in digests?

[alex wetmore]

On Fri, 14 Dec 2001, marina wrote:
> That's exactly it, Paul. Thank you for explaining it so clearly.
> Sure, Python is easy to use and Mailman is well written, but we run
> our list on a huge hosting server and we don't have admin privileges.
>
> Unfortunately, I'm afraid this also means we cannot use Alex's suggestion.

The hoster should be able to offer stripping HTML as an option to list
owners.  Setting up the aliases to strip HTML is no more difficult
than setting up the list in the first place.  I host many lists on my
server, and I'm the only list administrator with shell access to the
server, but I still give the other list administrators the option to
strip HTML.

I believe Mailman-2.1 will have HTML/MIME stripping as a built in
option, but I haven't played with the alpha.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML in digests?

[Skip Montanaro]

marina> We are running a list using Mailman 2, where most of the members
marina> are totally computer illiterate, and cannot be bothered
marina> understanding why or how to change their email settings.

marina> As a result, this list digests include huge portions of HTML
marina> coding - which is perceived as extremely annoying by several
marina> users (including some who choose to use HTML mail, of course).

Can you just change your users' digest settings from plain to MIME digests
for them?  Can you make MIME digests the default option for people who
choose to read the digest version of your list?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML in digests?

[marina]

Skip Montanaro wrote:

  >Can you just change your users' digest settings from plain to MIME digests
  >for them?  Can you make MIME digests the default option for people who
  >choose to read the digest version of your list?
  >

Yes, Mailman makes this option available in the Web admin interface.
The reason why we chose "plain text" rather than MIME, is that users 
tend to be a bit paranoid about email attachments these days... and I 
can't blame them.

Thank you for your thoughts. Let's hope this problem is sorted out soon...

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Re: [Mailman-Users] html formated archives

[Jon Carnes]

MHonArc is easy to use an external Archiver (though it may not be easy to
setup...).  Once the Archive program is setup, you add the archiver as a
user on the list - from then on it collects posts and archives them.

Mailman comes complete with pipermail.  Pipermail is a nice/tiny archiver
that works great on text messages, but is utterly hopeless in the world of
Mime and html.  I believe v2.1 of Mailman will still come with Pipermail,
but folks still recommend that you install a stand-alone archive program
such as MHonArc if you do any serious archiving.

To find MHonArc, following the bouncing URL:
  http://www.nacs.uci.edu/indiv/ehood/mhonarc.html

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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 1:57 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] html formated archives


> folks,
>
> maybe my eyes are getting old. i've tried rtfm without success.
> i'm trying to find out if there is a way to view html formated
> messages in the mailman archives. i have seen the line in
> the mailman features page that states "there are hooks in mailman
> for external archivers such as mhonarc", however i could not
> find any documentation on how to access these hooks. any
> help or suggestions appreciated. i am running mailman 2.0.3
> on solaris 2.6. thanks in advance.
>
> daryl
>
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Re: [Mailman-Users] html formated archives

[Daryl Williams]

>Once the Archive program is setup, you add the archiver as a
>user on the list - from then on it collects posts and archives them.

i like that :) seems very appropriate somehow. thanks for your reply jon.

daryl

Jon Carnes wrote:

>MHonArc is easy to use an external Archiver (though it may not be easy to
>setup...).  Once the Archive program is setup, you add the archiver as a
>user on the list - from then on it collects posts and archives them.
>
>Mailman comes complete with pipermail.  Pipermail is a nice/tiny archiver
>that works great on text messages, but is utterly hopeless in the world of
>Mime and html.  I believe v2.1 of Mailman will still come with Pipermail,
>but folks still recommend that you install a stand-alone archive program
>such as MHonArc if you do any serious archiving.
>
>To find MHonArc, following the bouncing URL:
>  http://www.nacs.uci.edu/indiv/ehood/mhonarc.html
>
>Jon Carnes
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>From: "Daryl Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 1:57 PM
>Subject: [Mailman-Users] html formated archives
>
>
>>folks,
>>
>>maybe my eyes are getting old. i've tried rtfm without success.
>>i'm trying to find out if there is a way to view html formated
>>messages in the mailman archives. i have seen the line in
>>the mailman features page that states "there are hooks in mailman
>>for external archivers such as mhonarc", however i could not
>>find any documentation on how to access these hooks. any
>>help or suggestions appreciated. i am running mailman 2.0.3
>>on solaris 2.6. thanks in advance.
>>
>>daryl
>>
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Re: [Mailman-Users] html in digests

[J C Lawrence]

On Tue, 19 Mar 2002 17:34:09 -0600 
Lil Peck  wrote:

> I would like to hear about solutions or work-arounds to avoid the html
> code that appears in the digests. This is particularly a problem for
> my subscribers who have aol addresses. I'm finding it nearly
> impossible to train my subscribers to all send their posts as plain
> text to begin with.

Please see the online Mailman FAQ with regard to MIME and MIME filters.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] html in digests

[Lil Peck, QHTimes.com Quarter Horse community]

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> Please see the online Mailman FAQ with regard to MIME and MIME filters.
>
Unfortunately, good ol' AOL makes mincemeat out of either, when receiving
digests. Put that together with the computer savvy of the general AOL-user,
and it adds up to lots of bitching, LOL. It wouldn't matter except for the
popularity of AOL. What I've started doing is collecting the messages from
one day in a folder, converting them all to plain text and then merging them
and sending them out as a single digest that way to the Digest recipients.
However, I personally am very satisfied with Mailman, and am enjoying the
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Re: [Mailman-Users] html in digests

[alex wetmore]

On Wed, 20 Mar 2002, Lil Peck, QHTimes.com Quarter Horse community wrote:
> - Original Message -
> From: "J C Lawrence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> > Please see the online Mailman FAQ with regard to MIME and MIME filters.
> >
> Unfortunately, good ol' AOL makes mincemeat out of either, when receiving
> digests. Put that together with the computer savvy of the general AOL-user,
> and it adds up to lots of bitching, LOL. It wouldn't matter except for the
> popularity of AOL. What I've started doing is collecting the messages from
> one day in a folder, converting them all to plain text and then merging them
> and sending them out as a single digest that way to the Digest recipients.
> However, I personally am very satisfied with Mailman, and am enjoying the
> independence from Yahoo groups. --Lil

The MIME filters (stripmime which I wrote, or demime, or the patches
for mailman) will prevent MIME and HTML from ever hitting your list in
the first place.  The Mailman FAQ has a good entry on this subject.

http://www.phred.org/~alex/stripmime.html

There is no reason why you should have to edit digests by hand.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] html in digests

[J C Lawrence]

On Wed, 20 Mar 2002 10:21:42 -0600 
Lil Peck  wrote:

> - Original Message - From: "J C Lawrence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>> Please see the online Mailman FAQ with regard to MIME and MIME
>> filters.

> Unfortunately, good ol' AOL makes mincemeat out of either, when
> receiving digests. Put that together with the computer savvy of the
> general AOL-user, and it adds up to lots of bitching, LOL. 

You're missing the point.  You can use an automatic filter to strip MIME
structures from messages inbound to your list.  The effect is the same
as if all your members had sent plain text messages to start with,
instead of multipart/alternative witn attachments etc.  As a result
Mailman only ever sees plain text messages, and thus constructs its
digests etc from plain text messages etc.

> It wouldn't matter except for the popularity of AOL. 

AOL is certainly a pain, yes, but they are relatively easy to work
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Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML welcome messages

[Detlef Neubauer]

"Angel Gabriel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Is it possible to have a HTML welcome message sent out to my subscribers,
> instead of text based ones? I mean in get mails from Tech Republic, and they
> are CRISP! It's just a thought!

HTML Mail ist bad. If you want it, edit your
$MAILMANHOME/templates/subscribeack.txt.


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Re: Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML Templates

[Bryan Carbonnell]

> From: Richard Barrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> On 26 Mar 2004, at 11:15, Bryan Carbonnell wrote:
> 
> > Either I'm blind or just plain old dumb, but I can't seem to fine the
> > HTML template that builds the list of list page. The page that you
> > first get when you goto example.com/mailman/listinfo/

> Unfortunately so in MM 2.1.x that page is not built from a template 
> file.

Ah, that explains why I couldn't find it last night.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML E-mails

[Brad Knowles]

At 9:15 PM -0600 2004-06-09, Chronos Admin wrote:
 I've setup Mailman and have a few lists running. The one list is an
 announcement only list. I need to deliver fully formatted HTML emails.
 However, either Mailman or something I'm doing messes up the email.
 I searched the Mailman archives and found conflicting comments on whether
 Mailman support HTML emails.
 In the "Content" settings I have "No" selected for filtering messages. So
 what's the official word on HTML emails? Thanks in advance.
	If you turn off content filtering, then Mailman will not scrub 
any mail messages that come through to the list.  Assuming that the 
incoming message does not fall victim to the anti-spam settings, it 
will be accepted and sent on to the recipients, without being changed 
or modified (although it might be held for moderation).

	There may be problems with correct archiving of HTML messages, or 
with digests created from HTML messages, but these are separate 
issues.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML E-mails

[Chronos Admin]

> If you turn off content filtering, then Mailman will not scrub
> any mail messages that come through to the list.  Assuming that the
> incoming message does not fall victim to the anti-spam settings, it
> will be accepted and sent on to the recipients, without being changed
> or modified (although it might be held for moderation).

Thanks for responding. It still does not work correctly. Mailman is doing
something funky to the html email. The following code is from an email
received from Mailman, this email did not display any html at all (I'll only
include the portion that I think relevant):

-
Mime-version: 1.0
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Chronos Announcements] Another Test
X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5
Precedence: list
List-Id: announce.lists.chronosnet.com
List-Unsubscribe: ,

List-Post: 
List-Help: 
List-Subscribe: ,

Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===2036615803=="
Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Status:   

--===2036615803==
Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="alternative_boundary"

--alternative_boundary
Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit

This plain text message appears since your e-mail client does not support
HTML.

--alternative_boundary
Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"
Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable


 

---

I sent the same email to myself without going through Mailman. The email
displayed correctly.

---
Mime-version: 1.0
Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="alternative_boundary"
Status:   

--alternative_boundary
Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit

This plain text message appears since your e-mail client does not support
HTML.

--alternative_boundary
Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"
Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable


 



Any suggestions? 

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Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML E-mails

[Brad Knowles]

At 9:07 AM -0600 2004-06-10, Chronos Admin wrote:
 Thanks for responding. It still does not work correctly. Mailman is doing
 something funky to the html email. The following code is from an email
 received from Mailman, this email did not display any html at all (I'll only
 include the portion that I think relevant):
	You're posting the message in a MIME/HTML encoded fashion, and 
since Mailman can't figure out how to perform the necessary surgery 
to decode the MIME/HTML in the proper fashion so that it can apply 
the footer correctly, it is wrapping the entire message in another 
MIME bodypart and then adding another MIME bodypart for the footer.

See .
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Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML in messages

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At 12:25 PM +0530 2004-07-09, Bhavin Shah wrote:
 PLease let us know that how users can use simple HTML in the messages.
	By default, Mailman will not strip HTML.  So, unless you changed 
the content filtering rules for your mailing list, just have the 
users post in HTML -- whatever they post should go through unchanged.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML Formatted Email

[Brad Knowles]

At 12:24 PM -0400 2006-07-18, Ki Song wrote:

>  How do I send an HTML formatted e-mail to all the subscribers to my mailing
>  list?

You generate an HTML-formatted message, and then submit that to the 
list.  Whatever program you use to generate that HTML-formatted 
message doesn't really matter as far as Mailman is concerned, because 
that's an outside process.

>  Basically, I'm trying to use Mailman to send a monthly newsletter to all of
>  our customers. This newsletter will only be an announcement list, where only
>  the administrator can post to the list.

The administrator needs to use a program that will generate an 
HTML-formatted message, which will then be submitted to Mailman.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML Formatted Email

[Ki Song]

>> How do I send an HTML formatted e-mail to all the subscribers to my mailing
>> list?
> 
> You generate an HTML-formatted message, and then submit that to the
> list.  Whatever program you use to generate that HTML-formatted
> message doesn't really matter as far as Mailman is concerned, because
> that's an outside process.
>
Is there a web interface built into mailman that allows me to post these
HTML messages to the list?
The reason I ask is because I was using a program called Listserv by LSoft
that allowed me to post message via a web interface and had a check mark
that allowed me to send messages as HTML.

I'm guessing the best method to do what I want to do (send HTML newsletters)
is to:
- send a message to the list I created via an e-mail client like Outlook or
Thunderbird
- Make sure it is encoded as HTML

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Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML Formatted Email

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On 7/18/06, Ki Song <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Is there a web interface built into mailman that allows me to post these
> HTML messages to the list?
No, but there /are/ some fairly easy to use webmail solutions around.

> I'm guessing the best method to do what I want to do (send HTML newsletters)
> is to:
> - send a message to the list I created via an e-mail client like Outlook or
> Thunderbird
> - Make sure it is encoded as HTML

Barring the above, yes, this is the best way to do it.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML Formatted Email

[Ki Song]

> On 7/18/06, Ki Song <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Is there a web interface built into mailman that allows me to post these
>> HTML messages to the list?
> No, but there /are/ some fairly easy to use webmail solutions around.

What are some good webmail solutions?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML Formatted Email

[Patrick Bogen]

On 7/18/06, Ki Song <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What are some good webmail solutions?

We use Horde, but there might be something more straightforward. If
you have someone that knows a bit of PHP, it's pretty trivial to have
a page that generates an email.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML Formatted Email

[Ki Song]

> On 7/18/06, Ki Song <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> What are some good webmail solutions?
> 
> We use Horde, but there might be something more straightforward. If
> you have someone that knows a bit of PHP, it's pretty trivial to have
> a page that generates an email.
> 
Thanks for the suggestion. After some research, it looks like Horde and
Squirrel Mail are some good options.

Question: Does Horde and/or Squirrel Mail send HTML Mail that is sent as
source code? I've found that these programs allow me to send HTML email that
is already FORMATTED, but I want to be able to just copy/paste HTML code
from an HTML editor (Dreamweaver) and insert it into the body of the e-mail.
Then, I just want to tell the mail composer that I am sending HTML Source
Code that is supposed to be formatted after I send the message.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML Formatted Email

[Carl Zwanzig]

In a flurry of recycled electrons, Ki Song wrote:

> Question: Does Horde and/or Squirrel Mail send HTML Mail that is sent as
> source code? I've found that these programs allow me to send HTML email that
> is already FORMATTED, but I want to be able to just copy/paste HTML code
> from an HTML editor (Dreamweaver) and insert it into the body of the e-mail.
> Then, I just want to tell the mail composer that I am sending HTML Source
> Code that is supposed to be formatted after I send the message.

I think you really need to be researching these on the lists/websites
for those programs. Likewise for other mail clients & html editors. Not
to put words in other people's mouths, but this is a list for mailman,
not for squirrelmail, thunderbird, postfix, etc.

I'd start with google.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML Formatted Email

[Brad Knowles]

At 2:07 PM -0400 2006-07-18, Ki Song wrote:

>  Is there a web interface built into mailman that allows me to post these
>  HTML messages to the list?

No.  See FAQ 1.26.

>  The reason I ask is because I was using a program called Listserv by LSoft
>  that allowed me to post message via a web interface and had a check mark
>  that allowed me to send messages as HTML.

Right, but Mailman freely available (free as in beer) open source 
software and is not a complete drop-in replacement for Listserv, 
which is a very expensive commercial program.

>  I'm guessing the best method to do what I want to do (send HTML newsletters)
>  is to:
>  - send a message to the list I created via an e-mail client like Outlook or
>  Thunderbird
>  - Make sure it is encoded as HTML

That's one way to do it, sure.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML Formatted Email

[Brad Knowles]

At 2:12 PM -0400 2006-07-18, Ki Song wrote:
>>  On 7/18/06, Ki Song <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>  Is there a web interface built into mailman that allows me to post these
>>>  HTML messages to the list?
>>  No, but there /are/ some fairly easy to use webmail solutions around.
>
>  What are some good webmail solutions?

When looking at this problem at a previous employer, we found that 
IMP/Horde relied too much on JavaScript, and was not well-supported 
on many browsers.  We found that TWIG worked better for us.  Of 
course, this was many years ago, and things may have changed since 
then.  I have also used SquirrelMail, and it seems to be okay.

That's at least three different packages you could check out.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML Newsletter Setup

[Brad Knowles]

At 8:17 PM -0400 2006-09-07, David Ellsworth wrote:

>  I've setup a MM2.1.5 newsletter list and set it up to accept emails with the
>  option added in the first line of the email Approved: password.
>
>  Problem is I can't get it to accept an HTML file formatted email without
>  messing up my HTML and removing the Approved: password line.

See my other response (to [EMAIL PROTECTED]) regarding HTML filtering.

Handling HTML e-mail is hard enough when you're not trying to do any 
kind of processing or filtering to any of the content of the message. 
Trying to put some content filtering into that mix makes the problem 
exponentially harder.  Even something that is apparently as simple as 
stripping the "Approved:" header.


If you can get the "Approved:" line out of the body of the message 
and into the actual headers of the message, that will make things a 
lot easier.


But don't ever let anyone lie to you and try to convince you that 
doing content filtering on HTML e-mail is easy.

It's only easy if you have no concept of what is actually going on 
underneath the hood, and then it's only easy until what's going on 
underneath the hood fails in some catastrophic way.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML Newsletter Setup

[David Ellsworth]

Uh, thanks for that Brad, I got it, it's complicated. All I need is a simple
way to get a formatted html email with Approved through the system. You're
telling me that that isn't going to be the case? I'm using an applescript
with Entourage on OS 10.47 to send the file to mailman. Perhaps another
email client that allows me to put the Approved comment in the email file
header? 

Thanks

David


On 9/7/06 9:17 PM, "Brad Knowles" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> At 8:17 PM -0400 2006-09-07, David Ellsworth wrote:
> 
>>  I've setup a MM2.1.5 newsletter list and set it up to accept emails with the
>>  option added in the first line of the email Approved: password.
>> 
>>  Problem is I can't get it to accept an HTML file formatted email without
>>  messing up my HTML and removing the Approved: password line.
> 
> See my other response (to [EMAIL PROTECTED]) regarding HTML filtering.
> 
> Handling HTML e-mail is hard enough when you're not trying to do any
> kind of processing or filtering to any of the content of the message.
> Trying to put some content filtering into that mix makes the problem
> exponentially harder.  Even something that is apparently as simple as
> stripping the "Approved:" header.
> 
> 
> If you can get the "Approved:" line out of the body of the message
> and into the actual headers of the message, that will make things a
> lot easier.
> 
> 
> But don't ever let anyone lie to you and try to convince you that
> doing content filtering on HTML e-mail is easy.
> 
> It's only easy if you have no concept of what is actually going on
> underneath the hood, and then it's only easy until what's going on
> underneath the hood fails in some catastrophic way.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML Newsletter Setup

[Larry Stone]

On 9/8/06 6:43 AM, David Ellsworth at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Uh, thanks for that Brad, I got it, it's complicated. All I need is a simple
> way to get a formatted html email with Approved through the system. You're
> telling me that that isn't going to be the case? I'm using an applescript
> with Entourage on OS 10.47 to send the file to mailman. Perhaps another
> email client that allows me to put the Approved comment in the email file
> header? 

No need for a different mail client as Entourage will add headers. It's on
the Options pane of the account edit window. Since that's not a Mailman
issue, ask me off-line if you need more information.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML Newsletter Setup

[Brad Knowles]

At 7:43 AM -0400 2006-09-08, David Ellsworth wrote:

>  Uh, thanks for that Brad, I got it, it's complicated. All I need is a simple
>  way to get a formatted html email with Approved through the system. You're
>  telling me that that isn't going to be the case?

It's not going to be as easy as you had hoped.  At least, not unless 
you can find a way to put the "Approved:" line into the header of the 
message.

The problems lie in the vagaries of how HTML is interpreted by each 
cog in the system, and how unintentional changes at any one point 
could have potentially catastrophic results downstream, at least for 
certain clients.

>I'm using an applescript
>  with Entourage on OS 10.47 to send the file to mailman. Perhaps another
>  email client that allows me to put the Approved comment in the email file
>  header?

I'm not sure about what capabilities you will find with which 
programs, certainly not from a scripting perspective.  Personally, if 
I need a CLI/scriptable client, I'll go with something like 
/usr/bin/Mail or mutt, both of which are typical Unix text-mode MUAs. 
But then I was using /usr/bin/Mail twenty years ago, and I don't 
think that it's going to be the kind of program you're looking for. 
Neither of these programs do HTML, for one thing.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML Newsletter Setup

[John W. Baxter]

On 9/8/06 4:43 AM, "David Ellsworth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Uh, thanks for that Brad, I got it, it's complicated. All I need is a simple
> way to get a formatted html email with Approved through the system. You're
> telling me that that isn't going to be the case? I'm using an applescript
> with Entourage on OS 10.47 to send the file to mailman. Perhaps another
> email client that allows me to put the Approved comment in the email file
> header? 

I see two fairly obvious ways to proceed.

1.  Create an Account in Entourage, and insert the needed Approved: header
manually into that account's additional headers area.  Then send messages to
the list using that account (in your scripting).

2.  Using Applescript to modify a single account, you may be able to set the
"Exchange account" object's "additional headers" property early in the
sending script to contain the needed header, then prepare and send the
message, then restore the additional headers property to normal (probably
empty).

I haven't tried this.  The Entourage version I'm looking at is 11.2.5.  Note
that if someone manually sends a message at an inconvenient moment, the
header would be part of it.  Suggest debugging the script using a bogus
password in the Approved: header.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML Newsletter Setup

[Steve Burling]

--On September 8, 2006 7:17:26 AM -0500 Larry Stone 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> No need for a different mail client as Entourage will add headers. It's on
> the Options pane of the account edit window. Since that's not a Mailman
> issue, ask me off-line if you need more information.

To which I reply:

But be careful -- unless I'm misunderstanding, if you use that set of 
Entourage preferences for any other use, then all the mail you send will 
contain the list-approval password in the Approved header.

Probably better to get mutt from , build it, and use 
that to send your mail out.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML Newsletter Setup

[David Ellsworth]

Thanks to Larry's timely and knowledgeable help, I can now get the HTML to
the list this way. The problem now is that the HTML doesn't work in the
arrived email. The text is centered and the top graphic (which is correctly
linked) isn't showing up. I'm not even using any settings in Content
Filtering. Is there any other Mailman-specific settings for allowing HTML?

The file I'm using is here (the email should look like this):

http://www.circlecitysports.com/newsletter/ccsnews.html

But it comes in looking like this:

http://www.circlecitysports.com/newsletter/error.html

When I send it just to myself, it formats correctly.

Any ideas gratefully acknowledged.

Thanks

David

On 9/8/06 2:35 PM, "Larry Stone" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Fri, 8 Sep 2006, David Ellsworth wrote:
> 
>> So I tried and enter Approved: password in the header of an account's
>> options setting and it wouldn't let me add a colon. Couldn't find anything
>> in Help either. More information please?
> 
> Do what I did when testing this this morning before I sent the reply. When
> Entourage wouldn't allow me to enter a colon, I reasoned that since the
> colon is always there as a separator between the header name and the
> header value, Entourage must add it for me. I tried it on a test send to
> myself (since it's not going through Mailman, the Approved header doesn't
> get stripped*). Opened the message, looked at the header, and there it was
> with the colon as I expected.
> 
> * Just a warning that you should never CC: a message with an Approved
> header or first line to someone you don't 100% trust since it will not get
> stripped from copies that aren't processed through Mailman.
> 
> -- Larry Stone
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Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML interface still quirky

[Greg Ward]

On 02 October 2001, Eric Pretorious said:
> What is happening? 

I think you'll find that painting was by Edvard Munch.

Unfortunately, I don't know how to get you to feeling like "Starry
Starry Night" over Mailman, which is probably much more agreeable.  ;-)

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Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML interface still quirky

[eric-mailman]

On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Greg Ward wrote:

> On 02 October 2001, Eric Pretorious said:
> > What is happening? 
>
> I think you'll find that painting was by Edvard Munch.
>
> Unfortunately, I don't know how to get you to feeling like "Starry
> Starry Night" over Mailman, which is probably much more agreeable.  ;-)

Greg:

Thanks for the thoughts, though!

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Re: [Mailman-Users] html in list archives

[J C Lawrence]

On 03 Oct 2001 11:30:07 -0400 
Neil Cooler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Is there a way to configure pipermail or mailman to render html
> emails in the archives instead of just printing out the raw html
> code?

Currently, no.  If this or proper MIME support is needed, use an
external archiver ala MHonArc.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML formatting in digests

[Skip Montanaro]

marina> Will the formatting of email messages in digests be fixed in
marina> 2.1?

Sounds like your users have selected so-called "plain text" digests.  If
it's possible for them to use MIME digests, the problem should go away.
Some folks (like those using AOL I think) can't, however.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML formatting in digests

[marina]

Dear Skip,

At 7:27 AM -0600 7/2/02 [dmy], Skip Montanaro wrote about [Subject] 
Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML formatting in digests:
  >marina> Will the formatting of email messages in digests be fixed in
  >marina> 2.1?
  >
  >Sounds like your users have selected so-called "plain text" digests.  If
  >it's possible for them to use MIME digests, the problem should go away.
  >Some folks (like those using AOL I think) can't, however.
  >
  >--


Thank you for your suggestion.

I'm not an AOL user, I use Eudora (and have been using it for over 7 
years), and I have changed my digest options to MIME, as suggested - 
but still, I keep getting plain text digests with all the garbage 
that currently comes with them.

I believe I do have some computer expertise, and some members on the 
list have computer science degrees (although they are outnumbered by 
newbies), but still haven't been able to get digests in a readable 
form. How can I expect to be able to explain what to do, to those who 
don't even know what plain text means??

Nearly all the members of our mailing list do not use AOL. The 
problem is not what email program Internet users use. The problem is 
the format of the digests coming from Mailman.

 From what I can gather, because this is not new, this is considered 
to be a low priority problem in the development of the software. 
However, most Internet users coming into contact with Mailman for the 
first time, who happen to select the digest option, experience 
Mailman for being messy and hard to read.

This is not good for promoting the use of Mailman, despite all the 
wonderful things that it does internally - which unfortunately they 
aren't able to appreciate.

We have many people often complaining to us, and wanting to know why 
we don't move to Yahoogroups, which "is much easier to use and read", 
they say. This is the marketing pression we get bombarded with, and 
we would like to know what we can tell them about what's happening in 
the future about this problem, because we really believe that Mailman 
is fundamentally a wonderful product, and we want to see it survive 
and thrive.

Many thanks for your help,

marina
<http://www.soapnaturally.org>

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Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML formatting in digests

[marina]

At 12:32 AM -0500 8/2/02 [dmy], you wrote about [Subject] Re: 
[Mailman-Users] HTML formatting in digests:
  >I think this may have something to do with HTML posts to the lists. I've
  >heard filtering for this will be an option in 2.1. In the interim,
  >www.exim.org (the MTA I'm using w/OpenBSD 2.9) uses Mailman 2.08 and manages
  >to ship decent digests. Maybe they'd be willing to give up the secret... As
  >soon as I get a round-to-it, I'll ask ;)
  >

Thanks Delpy. Yes, it is related to users who do not turn off their 
HTML or RTF or other fancy formatting options.

I for one hate and damn the day when somebody thought of adding this 
"feature" to e-mail. Unfortunately, it's now common practice on the 
Internet and we must live with it.

As my example demonstrated, even people on this mailing list 
(inadvertently or not) post their messages in HTML format, and even 
the Mailman distribution used by [Mailman-Users] doesn't use any of 
the patches we cannot use (even if we wanted to).

As you point out, I too have heard rumours that 2.1 may include this 
fix. That would indeed be wonderful news we could convey to our many 
disgruntles members. Does anybody know for sure, is this true or not.

Many thanks,

marina
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Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML formatting in digests

[Nigel Metheringham]

On Fri, 2002-02-08 at 11:27, marina wrote:
> At 12:32 AM -0500 8/2/02 [dmy], you wrote about [Subject] Re: 
> [Mailman-Users] HTML formatting in digests:
>   >I think this may have something to do with HTML posts to the lists. I've
>   >heard filtering for this will be an option in 2.1. In the interim,
>   >www.exim.org (the MTA I'm using w/OpenBSD 2.9) uses Mailman 2.08 and manages
>   >to ship decent digests. Maybe they'd be willing to give up the secret... As
>   >soon as I get a round-to-it, I'll ask ;)

We use the patches to coerce postings to plain text on exim.org.  See
Mailman patch #413752

URL (which will probably break in transit) is:-

http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=413752&group_id=103&atid=300103


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Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML formatting in digests

[J C Lawrence]

On Fri, 8 Feb 2002 14:30:56 +1100 
marina  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I'm not an AOL user, I use Eudora (and have been using it for over
> 7 years), and I have changed my digest options to MIME, as
> suggested - but still, I keep getting plain text digests with all
> the garbage that currently comes with them.

This is a problem with either your Mailman installation, or your
account.  Its not a problem with Mailman per se as Mailman is quite
capable of emitting both RFC 1153 and MIME digests to different
users as per their config (I do this with my lists).  The correct
address at this point is finding out why your changes in account
configuration (in regard to digests) are not taking effect, and
fixing that.

How to find out what's wrong will mostly involve digging around in
your log files, examining your Mailman configs, and watching
Mailman's operation across a digest run.  Somewhere in there
something is going wrong due to some error, (mis)configuration or
other oddity on your site.  

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Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML formatting in digests

[Delpy]

I think this may have something to do with HTML posts to the lists. I've
heard filtering for this will be an option in 2.1. In the interim,
www.exim.org (the MTA I'm using w/OpenBSD 2.9) uses Mailman 2.08 and manages
to ship decent digests. Maybe they'd be willing to give up the secret... As
soon as I get a round-to-it, I'll ask ;)


- Original Message -
From: "marina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 1:03 AM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML formatting in digests


> Will the formatting of email messages in digests be fixed in 2.1?
>
> The reason I'm asking is that, even though I do have access to a
> competent Python programmer, we manage a large mailing list on a
> server that we do not have admin access to. We get daily complaints
> from Internet users about the formatting of the digests.
>
> For those who have never seen this digest problem, I include an
> excerpt from yesterday's digest for the Mailman-user group (no
> criticism of the poster, btw - this is a common problem).
>
> Thanks,
>
> marina
> 
>
>
> [snip]
>   >
>   >--_=_NextPart_001_01C1AF47.26790A10
>   >Content-Type: text/html;
>   > charset="iso-8859-1"
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >RE: [Mailman-Users] Point directly to listinfo
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >Thanks for the suggestion, but I am  not sure
> of the exact meaning of your solution.
>   >
>   >
>   >Here's what Ii understand:
>   >
>   >
>   >I checked my /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf file and
> yes it says:
>   >
>   >
>   >LoadModule rewrite_module
> modules/mod_rewrite.so
>   >
>   >
>   >in the file.
>   >
>   >
>   >Then I copied the lines you suggest in that file (I
> placed them right after the ScriptAlias lines)
>   >I restarted the httpd daemon (killall -HUP httpd)
> and accessed my site. Same page as before. Am I missing a step?
>   >
>   >
>   >Thanks
>   >
>   >
>   >MGL
>   >
>   >
>   >> -Original Message-
>   >> From: Richard Barrett [ HREF="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]";>mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>   >> Sent: February 6, 2002 12:33 PM
>   >> To: Lafleur Maurice;
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>   >> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Point directly
> to listinfo
>   >> 
>   >> 
>   >> At 11:45 06/02/2002 -0500, Lafleur Maurice
> wrote:
>   >> 
>   >> >The list server I am setting up is only
> used for lists. I 
>   >> want the default 
>   >> >page from apache to be
> my.server.org/mailman/listinfo 
>   >> directly. I tried to 
>   >> >make a symlink between
> /var/www/html/index.html and 
>   >> >/home/mailmna/cgi-bin/listinfo :
>   >> >
>   >> >ln -s /home/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo
> /var/www/html/index.html
>   >> 
>   >> This will not work as you are trying to link
> a static page to 
>   >> a cgi script. 
>   >> The link is fine but Apache cannot interpret
> this as you want.
>   >> 
>   >> Asdsuming you have mod_rewrite installed, the
> following 
>   >> Apache re-write 
>   >> rules will work to "transparently"
> redirect the URI '/' and 
>   >> '/index.html' 
>   >> to the cgi-script
>   >> 
>   >> RewriteRule ^/$ /mailman/listinfo [PT]
>   >> RewriteRule ^/index.html$ /mailman/listinfo
[PT]
>   >> 
>   >> Whether you will get any knock-on problems
> with the browser 
>   >> interpreting 
>   >> relative links on the pages returned
> incorrectly is another 
>   >> issue. If that 
>   >> happens your may want to use the rewrite
> rules to redirect / 
>   >> and /index.html:
>   >> 
>   >> RewriteRule ^/$ /mailman/listinfo [R,L]
>   >> RewriteRule ^/index.html$ /mailman/listinfo
> [R,L]
>   >> 
>   >> 
>   >> >but I get a Mailman CGI error page when I
> browse my server.
>   >> >
>   >> >If I access 
>   >> >< HREF="http://my.server.org/mailman/listinfo";
> TARGET="_blank">http://my.server.org/mailman/listinfo> HREF="http://my.server.org/m";
> TARGET="_blank">http://my.server.org/m
>   >ailman/listinfo 
>   >>directly it works fine.
>   >>
>   >>I know it is something real simple and obvious
> but I can't seem to think 
>   >>strait today.
>   >>
>   >>Thanks
>   >>
>   >>MGL
>   >>--
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Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML mail and attachments

[Richard Barrett]

At 08:06 18/02/2002 -0800, Maurice  Lafleur wrote:
>I need to stop HTML mail and posts with attachments to reach mailing lists.
>
>How do I do this?
>
>Regards,
>
>Maurice Lafleur

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Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML mail and attachments

[Detlef Neubauer]

"Maurice  Lafleur" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I need to stop HTML mail and posts with attachments to reach mailing lists. 
> 
> How do I do this?

stripmime => http://www.phred.org/~alex/stripmime.html
demime => http://scifi.squawk.com/demime.html


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Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML email and archives

[J C Lawrence]

On Tue, 2 Apr 2002 18:23:20 +0200 
Danny Terweij <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Currently, mailman is showing the archived mail in plaint text. Can it
> be fully html? (and how?)

Please see the FAQ: 

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Re: [Mailman-Users] html messages in archives?

[J C Lawrence]

On Thu, 30 May 2002 15:40:57 -0700 
steven  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> is it possible for messages which were sent in html and/or mime
> to be displayed in the archives as they were displayed to recipients?
> default settings seem to display the code as PRE test rather than HTML
> or MIME.

Please see the FAQ:

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Re: [Mailman-Users] html messages in archives?

[Lewis Lau]

I used an external archiver called Hypermail instead of Pipermail. It
support HTML format mails and works fine.

Lewis

Steven wrote:

> hiya,
>
> is it possible for messages which were sent in html and/or mime to be
> displayed in the archives as they were displayed to recipients?  default
> settings seem to display the code as PRE test rather than HTML or MIME.
>
> any docs to point me to that I'm missing which touch on this subject?
> any hacks available if no settings to do it with?
>
> thanks,
> ~Steven
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Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML in list descriptions

[Jon Carnes]

On Mon, 2004-02-09 at 17:18, Ralf Hildebrandt wrote:
> Formerly we used 2.0.x, and we could use HTML in list descriptions.
> Now we have 2.1.4, and all HTML tags are displayed "literally", e.g. as
> 
> 
> 
> Bug or feature?

You can still used html but be wary of embedding one of the mega tags
(used by mailman to generate html).  The formating of the listinfo pages
has changed, so you will have to adapt to get your old look back... but
it is possible.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML in list descriptions

[Adam Steer]

..on a HTML note here - has anyone done any serious hacking of the
'look and feel' of Mailman?

I've spent a few days crafting up a new web interface for an MM 2.0.x
install here [one that gives up valid HTML even], but it requires
modification of files that look likely to get over-written every time an
upgrade is made [htmlformat.py, htmlformatter.py, config.py,
defaults.py, lots of stuff in /cgi/, everything inside 'templates'].

Maybe it's time to do some more PHP/Python research and jump on the
bandwagon for a templating system that lives outside of MM's main Python
bits. Any suggestions/pointers/experiences would be appreciated!

cheers
Adam.

>>> Jon Carnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 10/02/2004 1:24:10 pm >>>
On Mon, 2004-02-09 at 17:18, Ralf Hildebrandt wrote:
> Formerly we used 2.0.x, and we could use HTML in list descriptions.
> Now we have 2.1.4, and all HTML tags are displayed "literally", e.g.
as
> 
> 
> 
> Bug or feature?

You can still used html but be wary of embedding one of the mega tags
(used by mailman to generate html).  The formating of the listinfo
pages
has changed, so you will have to adapt to get your old look back...
but
it is possible.

Jon Carnes


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Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML in list descriptions

[Ralf Hildebrandt]

* Jon Carnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> You can still used html but be wary of embedding one of the mega tags
> (used by mailman to generate html).  The formating of the listinfo
> pages has changed, so you will have to adapt to get your old look
> back... but it is possible.

So, right now I insert "" and I get "
" -- how DO I
insert HTML properly, in a way that it won't be rewritten?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML in list descriptions

[Jon Carnes]

On Tue, 2004-02-10 at 01:11, Ralf Hildebrandt wrote:
> * Jon Carnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 
> > You can still used html but be wary of embedding one of the mega tags
> > (used by mailman to generate html).  The formating of the listinfo
> > pages has changed, so you will have to adapt to get your old look
> > back... but it is possible.
> 
> So, right now I insert "" and I get "
" -- how DO I
> insert HTML properly, in a way that it won't be rewritten?

Okay, I just did it to a test list and it worked fine.

Here is the top part of the coding for the listinfo page (which includes
the four lines that I added. The  and 's are near the bottom of
this segment:



  
 Info Page
  
  
  


  

  
 --

  



   

  
  

  About 


   
  


  

  

  Some points to note:
   This is point 1
   This is the second point
  
   To see the collection of prior postings to the list,
  visit the 
  Archives.
  
  

  
  

  Using 

  

==

There simply are no (mailman) problems to adding in your own HTML to the
Listinfo pages.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML in list descriptions

[Ralf Hildebrandt]

* Jon Carnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> On Tue, 2004-02-10 at 01:11, Ralf Hildebrandt wrote:

> There simply are no (mailman) problems to adding in your own HTML to the
> Listinfo pages.

There are, and they are here.

I get:

http://mailman.charite.de/mailman/subscribe/rundmail";>

  
  

Allgemeine Ankündigungen derCharite: 
Anleitung
Um eine Rundmail zu versenden, sollten Sie sich zuerst über diefolgenden Punkte 
im Klaren sein:

 Soll wirklich jede Benutzerin und jeder Benutzer in der ...


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Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML in list descriptions

[Jon Carnes]

On Tue, 2004-02-10 at 09:38, Ralf Hildebrandt wrote:
> * Jon Carnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > On Tue, 2004-02-10 at 01:11, Ralf Hildebrandt wrote:
> 
> > There simply are no (mailman) problems to adding in your own HTML to the
> > Listinfo pages.
> 
> There are, and they are here.
> 
> I get:
> 
>  ACTION="http://mailman.charite.de/mailman/subscribe/rundmail";>
> 
> 
> 
>   
>   
Allgemeine AnkÃÅndigungen derCharite: 
> Anleitung
> Um eine Rundmail zu versenden, sollten Sie sich zuerst ÃÅber diefolgenden 
> Punkte im Klaren sein:
> 

> 
 Soll wirklich jede Benutzerin und jeder Benutzer in der ...
> 

I note that you don't post your listinfo code.  Without that I can't
help you.

Jon


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Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML in list descriptions

[Paul H Byerly]

Jon Carnes said:
> There simply are no (mailman) problems to adding in your own HTML to the
> Listinfo pages.


Ralf Hildebrandt wrote:
There are, and they are here.

I get:
 Do you have more than one body tag in the source?  You don't need to 
out one in, as there is one to start with.  Can you post the source rather 
than the results

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Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML in list descriptions

[Jon Carnes]

Ralf loaned me his listinfo code and it was plain to see that during an
upgrade the process parsed the listinfo html and modified the
non-standard html statements.  It's made the following
modifications (which are easily reversed):
  "<" == "<"
  ">" == ">"

It turned them into logical "greater than" and logical "less than".
Thus the html tags are missing and are now text.  

I cut/pasted the code into an editor and did two replace all's then
cut/pasted the code back into the listinfo edit page. Everything worked
fine after that.

This is exactly what I was saying last week (but apparently not very
well) HTML code works fine in Mailman version 2.1.4. It's the
upgrade process that converts the "<" and ">" characters to a text
representation.  You have to edit the old code to move it back to its
original status as HTML tags.

Example:was converted to   


Hope that is helpful!

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Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML in list descriptions

[Ralf Hildebrandt]

* Jon Carnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> I explained this exact problem/resolution to someone else last week. I
> looks like during an upgrade, the upgrade parses the listinfo html and
> modifies the non-standard html statements.  It's made the following
> modifications (which are easily reversed):
>   "<" == "<"
>   ">" == ">"

Nope. Even If I manually enter HTML tags into a new list (which has
NOT been converted) I get the < > instead of < >.

Find attached a screenshot of the admin page (to see the tags I
entered) and the resulting listinfo page of "demo2", a new list.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML in list descriptions

[Ralf Hildebrandt]

* Ralf Hildebrandt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Find attached a screenshot of the admin page (to see the tags I
> entered) and the resulting listinfo page of "demo2", a new list.

I had to remove the screenshot due to size limitations
Find it here:
http://www.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de/~hildeb/tdemo2.png

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Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML in list descriptions

[Ralf Hildebrandt]

>  Do you have more than one body tag in the source?

No.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML in list descriptions

[Jon Carnes]

On Wed, 2004-02-11 at 02:59, Ralf Hildebrandt wrote:
> * Jon Carnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 
> > I explained this exact problem/resolution to someone else last week. I
> > looks like during an upgrade, the upgrade parses the listinfo html and
> > modifies the non-standard html statements.  It's made the following
> > modifications (which are easily reversed):
> >   "<" == "<"
> >   ">" == ">"
> 
> Nope. Even If I manually enter HTML tags into a new list (which has
> NOT been converted) I get the < > instead of < >.

Yes. You chopped the context off, but we were talking about the
meta-code used in programing the Listinfo web page.

HTML tags are no longer allowed in the List Description field of the web
admin interface.  But that is a story for another day.

Hmmm... that really is a bug.  The description field should either tell
you that only text can be entered here, or the Mailman utility
~mailman/Mailman/HTMLFormatter.py needs to be re-written to leave the
mm-list-info HTML tags alone.

The fix/workaround for now is to edit the listinfo page:
  Mailman Web-admin for the list
   Browse to: Edit the public HTML pages
Browse to: General list information page
  - now find the meta-tag: 
  - delete this meta-tag and replace it directly with 
your HTML text for list description
  - click on "Submit Changes"

That will put the HTML-ized list description directly into the web-based
Listinfo page for your list.

Since you have removed the meta-tag  the web-based
Listinfo information will now be independent of whatever text you put
into the detailed list description on the General page of the web-admin.

Hope that is more helpful!

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Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML in list descriptions

[Ralf Hildebrandt]

* Jon Carnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Yes. You chopped the context off, but we were talking about the
> meta-code used in programing the Listinfo web page.
> 
> HTML tags are no longer allowed in the List Description field of the web
> admin interface.  But that is a story for another day.

Ah. That's OK, and I understand the security implications. But from
the docs Igot the impression it was STILL possible.

> Hmmm... that really is a bug.  The description field should either tell
> you that only text can be entered here, or the Mailman utility
> ~mailman/Mailman/HTMLFormatter.py needs to be re-written to leave the
> mm-list-info HTML tags alone.

:)

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Re: [Mailman-Users] html messages in archive

[Tokio Kikuchi]

Hi

Richard D. Dover wrote:

I want html messages to appear in the public archive. In other
words I want a person to click on the link for a message and when
it opens up it is in the original html format it was sent.
You can set ARCHIVE_HTML_SANITIZER = 3 in mm_cfg.py
What do I need to do so that it is not 'scrubbed'?
Without scrubbing, pipermail will display the HTML in escaped format.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] html messages in archive

[Brad Knowles]

At 4:30 PM -0800 2004/02/12, Richard D. Dover wrote:

 I want html messages to appear in the public archive. In other
 words I want a person to click on the link for a message and when
 it opens up it is in the original html format it was sent.
 What do I need to do so that it is not 'scrubbed'?
	You need to use a different archiving agent, other than the 
built-in pipermail.

	Try mhonarc.  See 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML to Text-Only

[Mark Sapiro]

On 03/25/2014 09:49 PM, Peter Fiala - WCASA wrote:
> One of the listservs I manage sends text-only messages though I have that 
> option unchecked under content filtering. This happens to this list and not 
> any others, though the option is the same for all lists I manage.
> 
> Should Mailman convert text/html parts to plain text? This conversion happens 
> after MIME attachments have been stripped.
> (Edit 
> convert_html_to_plaintext)
> 
> No  Yes
> 
> 
> 
> Wondering if anyone has any solutions.


I suspect the issue is that your users are sending multipart/alternative
messages and your collapse_alternatives setting is Yes. Either that or
you don't have text/html in pass_mime_types.

You need at least

multipart
text/plain
text/html

in pass_mime_types and collapse_alternatives = No.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] html and footer attachment

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>I've got a tool which generates html mail to a number of mailman lists.  
>I recently converted this to send html formatted mail.  The mailman 
>attached footer (the four liner footer which details info about the 
>list) is now being delivered as an attachment to each mail.  Is there a 
>way to get mailman to associate this footer to be just a continuation of 
>the html mail body?


See the FAQ at .

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Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML in messages. How?

[Brad Knowles]

on 5/7/09 11:42 AM, Denis Yurashkou said:


Anybody tried to send HTML-messages with Mailman?
How can I send message with HTML, that will be read as HTML, neither as text
nor as attachment?


Mailman is not a content generation system.  It is a content filtering 
and distribution system.  So, if you generate your content in HTML, and 
you do not have Mailman configured to strip or convert HTML, then that 
will be passed through to the recipients.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML converted to attachment

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> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>   
>> >>Unfortunately I am encountering problems with sending HTML email to the
>> 
mailing lists. Mailman seems to alter the email message and add the
original HTML email as an attachment.

>> >>I have content filtering switched off and the option 'convert text/html
>> >> to
>> >>text/plain' has been switched off as well.
>> 
> >
> > Remove the message header and footer (msg_header and msg_footer on the
>   
admin Non-digest options page. See

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>   
Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan

> >
>   

Unfortunately this didn't help. I already configured in my mm_cfg.py to
remove the footer.

I've added my mm_cfg.py information at the bottom of this email.
Thanks for your help.



Brenno.

I've had this problem before.  It was because some email clients actually send 
the html as an attachment.  They appear usually, as inline, because of how most 
mail clients are set up, but mailman treats it like the attachment it is. 
Outlook does this, or at least it used to (I haven't tried lately).  I've used 
Thunderbird successfully.  There are also tools out there that create html 
mails correctly specifically for sending to lists.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] html archive not updating

[Mark Sapiro]

Michael Lee 
>But when people submit e-mails to the mail list, the html
>archive page does not get updated.  Other mail lists I have on this
>system are updating properly.  I noticed in the
>~/mailman/archives/privated directory, this evolution mbox I converted
>has a directory ("general"), but there's not corresponding
>"general.mbox" directory, is that the problem?  Permissions on this
>general folder are set to 2775, and it's owned by user/group of
>mailman/mailman.  In the administrative interface for the site,
>archiving is enabled in a public source, and set to monthly for archive
>volume frequency.  Any help would be appreciated.  Thanks.
>

I had the same problem with Mailman 2.1.4 with a list created via the
web interface with a public archive. You should be seeing messages
similar to

Apr 17 18:13:10 2004 (2242) Archive file access failure:
/www/grizz/mailman/archives/private/wed_ride.mbox/wed_ride.mbox
[Errno 2] No such file or directory:
'/www/grizz/mailman/archives/private/wed_ride.mbox/wed_ride.mbox'

in your error log.

If I recall correctly, we created the archives/private/listname.mbox/
directory by hand with appropriate owner/group/permissions. After
that, bin/unshunt should get things going.

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