Re: [MlMt] moving tags to a new Mac
Turns out I had bought a one year subscription to "Preside Premium" which expired last March. I had forgotten and never noticed, until your email made me check! So yes, the non-paid version is quite feature rich, and is working fine for me. 浪 -Eric On 17 Jul 2024, at 10:52, David Orriss Jr wrote: More like ‘fremium’ than free.. tho I have to say what you get for the non-paid version is pretty amazing. On Jul 17, 2024, at 7:14 AM, Eric Sharakan via mailmate wrote: Hi Henry, yes I'm very happy with Preside. It's extremely flexible and customizable, and as I noted, it supports tags as well as MailMate does. My only real complaint: there are so many preferences, it's very easy to get lost in all the available settings screens. But once set up, it's worked great for me. I do not use it for my Exchange-based work account, so have no experience with its Exchange support. Thanks. -Eric On 17 Jul 2024, at 10:06, Henry Seiden wrote: Eric, Is the Preside app a good work-alike to replace Mail on iOS/iPad OS? I am VERY disillusioned by Mail’s goofy operation and looking for a change there. Respectfully, Henry Seiden Techworks Pro Co. E: infotechworksprocom W: http://techworkspro.com <http://techworkspro.com/> On 17 Jul 2024, at 10:01, Eric Sharakan via mailmate wrote: appreciate the reply. I agree that with server support for custom IMAP keywords, things work great, as it does for my other non-work email accounts. I use the Preside App on my phone for all my email accounts other than my work one, and tags created in MM are visible there and vice-versa. ___ mailmate mailing list Unsubscribe: https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list Unsubscribe: https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list Unsubscribe: https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] moving tags to a new Mac
Hi Henry, yes I'm very happy with Preside. It's extremely flexible and customizable, and as I noted, it supports tags as well as MailMate does. My only real complaint: there are so many preferences, it's very easy to get lost in all the available settings screens. But once set up, it's worked great for me. I do not use it for my Exchange-based work account, so have no experience with its Exchange support. Thanks. -Eric On 17 Jul 2024, at 10:06, Henry Seiden wrote: Eric, Is the Preside app a good work-alike to replace Mail on iOS/iPad OS? I am VERY disillusioned by Mail’s goofy operation and looking for a change there. Respectfully, Henry Seiden - - Techworks Pro Co. E: infotechworksprocom W: http://techworkspro.com On 17 Jul 2024, at 10:01, Eric Sharakan via mailmate wrote: appreciate the reply. I agree that with server support for custom IMAP keywords, things work great, as it does for my other non-work email accounts. I use the Preside App on my phone for all my email accounts other than my work one, and tags created in MM are visible there and vice-versa.___ mailmate mailing list Unsubscribe: https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Update for outlook.com/hotmail.com/live.com users
Yeah, my bad on that. Things are working fine for me. And based on your experience Henry, I'm not going to try to change my Exchange settings unless I have to. Thanks. -Eric On 17 Jul 2024, at 9:36, Henry Seiden wrote: My IMAP settings in MM are “outlook.office365.com” and SMTP, “smtp.office365.com” with OAUTH checked. They are NOT Greyed out. Modification is allowed but attempts to change will be met with OAUTH re-certifcation so I didn’t go there. I have what works for me. Respectfully, Henry Seiden - - Techworks Pro Co. E: infotechworksprocom W: http://techworkspro.com On 17 Jul 2024, at 9:24, Henry Seiden wrote: Benny, Eric: MM v6048 is working fine for me on Outlook account now with OAUTH2 enabled. I recently had updates to Outlook that required OAUTH2. After upgrading to MM version it has been flawless, through further MS Updates! Do not know of any differences between those you mention, but from reading the MS info, they seem to be unifying the two (not splitting them up). Respectfully, Henry Seiden - - Techworks Pro Co. E: infotechworksprocom W: http://techworkspro.com On 17 Jul 2024, at 8:47, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: On 13 Jul 2024, at 4:51, Eric Sharakan via mailmate wrote: Anyway, since updating to r6052, I've noticed the following behaviors on my Exchange-based corporate email account: - I was asked to resynchronize each of my IMAP folders due to some issue with the UIDVALIDITY check (sorry I didn't save the exact message). I did so, and all seemed fine. - Some hours (or maybe a day or two) later, I lost access to all my IMAP folders other than my INBOX. Turns out I had been unsubscribed from all of them. I resubscribed myself to them, and all seems okay now. Benny I don't know if either of these issues are related to the change you said you made in your email of July 1 or not, but the timing seemed pretty coincidental. If related then it's about the Exchange implementation (the IMAP to Exchange interface). There's no way for me to fix that. I've often been told about UIDVALIDITY issues with Exchange, but I don't think I've heard about the auto-unsubscribe issue. A couple other points: - I've had OAUTH2 enabled for this account for some time now. - Benny's email said "Make sure you use `outlook.office365.com` and `smtp.office365.com` as hostnames." For whatever reason, I am unable to edit my SMTP server name for this account. The SMTP server is set to 'outlook.office365.com' (same as the IMAP server), but is greyed out such that I can't modify it. Are you sure the greyed out part isn't just MailMate showing a placeholder name (the one used if nothing explicit is provided)? In any case, both `smtp.office365.com` and `outlook.officie365.com` are fine as far as I know. Only Microsoft will know if there is or ever will be a difference. -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list Unsubscribe: https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list Unsubscribe: https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list Unsubscribe: https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list Unsubscribe: https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Update for outlook.com/hotmail.com/live.com users
On 17 Jul 2024, at 8:47, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: On 13 Jul 2024, at 4:51, Eric Sharakan via mailmate wrote: Anyway, since updating to r6052, I've noticed the following behaviors on my Exchange-based corporate email account: - I was asked to resynchronize each of my IMAP folders due to some issue with the UIDVALIDITY check (sorry I didn't save the exact message). I did so, and all seemed fine. - Some hours (or maybe a day or two) later, I lost access to all my IMAP folders other than my INBOX. Turns out I had been unsubscribed from all of them. I resubscribed myself to them, and all seems okay now. Benny I don't know if either of these issues are related to the change you said you made in your email of July 1 or not, but the timing seemed pretty coincidental. If related then it's about the Exchange implementation (the IMAP to Exchange interface). There's no way for me to fix that. Understood, I just wanted to let you know about my one-time need to re-synchronize. I've often been told about UIDVALIDITY issues with Exchange, but I don't think I've heard about the auto-unsubscribe issue. Yeah, that one was certainly a surprise. A couple other points: - I've had OAUTH2 enabled for this account for some time now. - Benny's email said "Make sure you use `outlook.office365.com` and `smtp.office365.com` as hostnames." For whatever reason, I am unable to edit my SMTP server name for this account. The SMTP server is set to 'outlook.office365.com' (same as the IMAP server), but is greyed out such that I can't modify it. Are you sure the greyed out part isn't just MailMate showing a placeholder name (the one used if nothing explicit is provided)? oops, you're right. Thought I tried that before. Thanks. -Eric In any case, both `smtp.office365.com` and `outlook.officie365.com` are fine as far as I know. Only Microsoft will know if there is or ever will be a difference. -- Benny___ mailmate mailing list Unsubscribe: https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] moving tags to a new Mac
Hi Benny, appreciate the reply. I agree that with server support for custom IMAP keywords, things work great, as it does for my other non-work email accounts. I use the Preside App on my phone for all my email accounts other than my work one, and tags created in MM are visible there and vice-versa. I have been manually re-creating the tags for my work email account on my new laptop over the last few months, and at this point I'm basically done. Hopefully I won't need to go through that process again the next time I migrate to a new computer for work, either because a better solution is available, the server infrastructure for my work email starts supporting custom IMAP keywords, or I've decided to retire. :-) Thanks. -Eric On 17 Jul 2024, at 9:11, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: On 12 Apr 2024, at 14:46, Eric Sharakan via mailmate wrote: Hmm, so it looks like I asked this very question when I migrated to my current Mac in 2018, and the answers back then were not encouraging. :-( I now have a vague recollection of manually re-generating my tags. It was not fun. I'm hoping someone has since come up with a better method (perhaps via a bundle of some sort?) to accomplish this. The thought of losing access to all the tags associated with my work email is unbearable. The thought of manually re-creating them is out of the question; my tags usage has exploded in these past 6 years. Sorry about the late response to this one. I don't know of any automated or easy ways to do this. The easiest would likely be to have copied the entire MailMate folder (Library/Application Support) which would include the database files storing this information. This also underlines the problem with local-only tags in general. They would also be lost if rebuilding the database. There's always some data loss risk in using tags with Exchange accounts. When IMAP keywords are supported by the server then MailMate is very robust with regards to never losing this information, but that is far from true when Exchange is involved (and possibly a few other rare IMAP servers). Benny, I'm a programmer, and would be willing to try to write a bundle to accomplish this, if you can give me the info I need to extract the tags from my old laptop and re-introduce them to the messages in my new one. Exporting tags is possible but importing tags is not possible as it is now (with a bundle command) -- or at least very hard. (Special case: If tags are used in a mutually exclusive way then it would be possible to create a folder in the Exchange account for each tag and then move messages into these mailboxes to do the migration using folders.) Maybe I'll come up with a good solution some day... At least one making database rebuilding more robust (but that won't solve your problem). On 11 Apr 2024, at 21:04, Eric Sharakan wrote: Hi, I'm in the process of migrating to a new Mac. I've copied most of the MM config & settings over from my old Mac and most things are working fine. But one problem I have is the tags for my corporate email account (which uses Exchange). Since Exchange doesn't support tags, they're not available on the new Mac. Is there any way to do a one-time copy of the tags from my old Mac to the new one? -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list Unsubscribe: https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list Unsubscribe: https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Positioning of content in Mailboxes and header panes
On 17 Jul 2024, at 8:13, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: On 17 Jul 2024, at 14:04, Eric Sharakan via mailmate wrote: Hi Benny and others, for quite a few test releases now, I've noticed two minor issues with how the Mailboxes and message header pane views are managed (I use the "Thread Arcs" layout): - When starting MM, it remembers the selected mailbox from the last run (which is fine), but it puts that mailbox at the top of the mailbox pane, hiding any mailboxes above it. Previously, it would restore not only the selected mailbox, but the overall position of it in the Mailbox pane. - When reading email, when the selected message in the header pane gets to the bottom of the pane, MM used to automatically move that to the center of the pane, allowing me to see a few of the newer messages (I sort on Date Received, such that newer messages are below older ones). This has not been working for some time. Are these known issues? Yes, I've noticed both. Unintended side-effects of changing/fixing other things. Is there some way to restore the previous behavior? No, you'll have to wait for me to fix them. -- Benny Okay, thanks for confirming that you're aware of them. -Eric___ mailmate mailing list Unsubscribe: https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Positioning of content in Mailboxes and header panes
Hi Benny and others, for quite a few test releases now, I've noticed two minor issues with how the Mailboxes and message header pane views are managed (I use the "Thread Arcs" layout): - When starting MM, it remembers the selected mailbox from the last run (which is fine), but it puts that mailbox at the top of the mailbox pane, hiding any mailboxes above it. Previously, it would restore not only the selected mailbox, but the overall position of it in the Mailbox pane. - When reading email, when the selected message in the header pane gets to the bottom of the pane, MM used to automatically move that to the center of the pane, allowing me to see a few of the newer messages (I sort on Date Received, such that newer messages are below older ones). This has not been working for some time. Are these known issues? Is there some way to restore the previous behavior? Thanks. -Eric___ mailmate mailing list Unsubscribe: https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Update for outlook.com/hotmail.com/live.com users
Hi Benny and others, I just found this thread in the online archive of this list (turns out I was bumped off the list for too many bounces without my noticing; I just re-subscribed). Anyway, since updating to r6052, I've noticed the following behaviors on my Exchange-based corporate email account: - I was asked to resynchronize each of my IMAP folders due to some issue with the UIDVALIDITY check (sorry I didn't save the exact message). I did so, and all seemed fine. - Some hours (or maybe a day or two) later, I lost access to all my IMAP folders other than my INBOX. Turns out I had been unsubscribed from all of them. I resubscribed myself to them, and all seems okay now. Benny I don't know if either of these issues are related to the change you said you made in your email of July 1 or not, but the timing seemed pretty coincidental. A couple other points: - I've had OAUTH2 enabled for this account for some time now. - Benny's email said "Make sure you use `outlook.office365.com` and `smtp.office365.com` as hostnames." For whatever reason, I am unable to edit my SMTP server name for this account. The SMTP server is set to 'outlook.office365.com' (same as the IMAP server), but is greyed out such that I can't modify it. Like I said, other than the sudden apparent loss of all my IMAP folders (which was a bit of a shock), everything seems to be working fine now. Thanks. -Eric___ mailmate mailing list Unsubscribe: https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Colored Messages: Styles.plist being ignored
On 30 Jan 2024, at 17:33, Bill Cole wrote: > On 2024-01-30 at 14:32:34 UTC-0500 (Tue, 30 Jan 2024 20:32:34 +0100) > Sven Klages > is rumored to have said: > > [...] >> When using smart mailboxes as proposed in the comments of your bug report, I >> do have one type/color per smart folder, that’s not the same … did I get it >> right? > > Yes, but I think that you are missing the fact that you can create a smart > mailbox aggregating the messages of other (colored-message) smart mailboxes. > The messages keep the color assigned by the parent mailbox. Right, all you need to do is create smart mailboxes containing the conditions you want for coloring the messages. Then, use the Mailbox->Color submenu to choose a color for that mailbox, and also select "Use Color in Message List". Your chosen color will be applied not only to the messages in your smart mailbox, but also to the original messages, wherever they reside. It's totally flexible and has been working great for me. -Eric ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Longtime user struggling with version
On 29 Jan 2024, at 11:34, Verdon Vaillancourt wrote: > Hi Henry and Erik, > > Thanks for your replies! I appreciate the detail. I did go to the download > page and downloaded r6019. Thanks for that link. I had forgotten about that > page. Running r6019 seemed to launch faster, though still hobbled my system > for about 8-10 minutes before everything started running smoothly. I’ll try > it for a couple days. It seems stable (so far) once running. I'm guessing MM decided to re-index your emails, and that took 8-10 minutes. Hopefully now that that's done, you'll have no further cases of it bogging down your system. > > One note of interest, the ‘Check for test Build’ still gives me “You are > using a prerelease. 5673 is the latest version available. You have version > 6019. Downgrade to 5673 / OK” Are you sure you were holding down the option key when you clicked "check Now"? When I do, I get told that 6016 is the latest test version. If I don't hold use the option key, then I get told 5673 is the latest. -Eric ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Longtime user struggling with version
Hi Verdon, there's a known issue with users getting kicked off the mailing list. It seems to mostly impact folks with gmail addresses. After I got silently kicked off twice, I switched to using my iCloud email and haven't had a problem since. Also, I agree 100% with Henry, grab a more recent version. Although they might be labeled "test" versions, there have been many bug fixes implemented by Benny since the last "official" release. The simplest way to get it is to hold down the option key while clicking the "Check Now" button in MM's Software Update preference pane. Regards. -Eric On 27 Jan 2024, at 10:46, Verdon Vaillancourt wrote: Hmmm looks like i was somehow unsubscribed from the list. Please see the quoted conversations below. Thanks, Verdon On Jan 27, 2024, at 10:40 AM, Verdon Vaillancourt wrote: Hi, I initially sent this back in December and never heard anything from the collective. I just searched the list archives and couldn’t find it there, so thought I would try one more time. I'm beginning to wonder if MailMate is still an active project, or if it has run its course? Any guidance as to version, discussed below? Thanks and best wishes, Verdon Hi, Longtime licensed user here, infrequent poster to list. I am using MM Version 1.14 (5964) with MacOS 14.2 (23C64). To be honest, it sucks and has for sometime. Its fine once everything gets running, but if I have a crash or a restart, it can take more than 45 minutes for Mailmate to get running again, and during that time, nothing else runs properly on my Mac. Restarts have cost me more than an hour in getting a functional system with my apps all up and running. Its nasty! Going to the Mailmate website says I should be running the public beta, which I think is what I am running now. If I hold my option key and check Mailmate for updates, it tells me I should downgrade to 5673. So, before I downgrade, or just go back to Apple Mail, any suggestions? Thanks and best wishes -- Verdon Vaillancourt ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Sent Messages - Sub folders?
I have similar under the Sent folder of my iCloud account. Each one is named with a different From address, corresponding to one of the 3 email addresses I've used to send mail from that account (@me.com, @mac.com & @icloud.com). It's like a smart mailbox, in that selecting each submailbox shows me just the messages I sent using that particular email address. But unlike a Smart Mailbox, their visibility doesn't seem to be controlled by the "Submailboxes" settings. Like Michael, I just close the disclosure triangle and ignore them. -Eric On 8 Jan 2024, at 20:29, Michael Nietzold wrote: I have the same, and at the parent mailbox (folder) of the submailboxes are not enabled in the settings, but I can not also delete each one. Since the mails are in the "smart mailbox" (that's the name for the folders) only **sorted by logic** and not physically - that means **no space is wasted** with this "automatic subfolders" they are only calculated "**on the fly**" to show you the folders. I my case this not bother me and I can click on the chevron to collapse this folder and don't see it. On 8 Jan 2024, at 21:07, devynosbo...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I am brand-new to MailMate (and loving it!). Please excuse this beginner question. I searched the archives, but couldn’t find an answer. I have two Gmail accounts set up so far. In one, under Sent Messages, what appear to be subfolders have appeared. I don’t know how or why these were created. I don’t have the sub folders preference selected in General preferences. [ "2024-01-08 - AM-11-59-23 - screenshot.jpg" ] What are these and how can I get rid of them? A lot of the options for them (such as delete) are greyed out. Thanks for the help! Devyn ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] IMAP Problem for Account
I remember this issue has come up on this list before. IIRC, it was related to something that changed on the email provider's side that confused MM. You can search the archives here: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailmate@lists.freron.com/ -Eric On 7 Dec 2023, at 11:36, Stephan Bösebeck wrote: Unfortunately this did not work. I tried also installing an older version (5937) - same issue. It ended up being so bad, that I could not use Mailmate anymore. So I removed the source... that caused errors, that Mailmate could not delete some emails. Then things went sideways. When trying to force delete, MailMate crashed. When keeping them, it also kept the account. So I deleted them via commandline - the whole account that is. Then, after staring MailMate again, it was downloading everything and it was _then_ fine... Until I sent an email. I got the UIDVALIDITY-Message more or less directly after sending. I removed the account in total again, this time it worked... so I try to add it once more... I will see, if that helps. On 7 Dec 2023, at 17:18, i...@techworkspro.com wrote: I recently found the same problem you reported on MM r6008 (experimental build). In my case it was an Outlook IMAP account that was reporting the error What I found was that the password on my account’s SMTP settings was missing. I checked the Activity monitor first to verify the problem, then looked at IMAP Settings to confirm the cause. Re-entering the missing password cleared the issue up. HIH. YMMV, good luck! Henry - - Please excuse the tttapping errors... Sent from my iPhone C/T (954) 253-4125 Henry M. Seiden Techworks Pro On Dec 7, 2023, at 10:12, Stephan Bösebeck wrote: Hi, i am using the latest test-build for some days now, but I have a strange error message since today: IMAP Problem for "XXX" account The so-called UIDVALIDITY value of the mailbox "Sent" has changed. MailMate has to resynchronize the mailbox, that is, purge the local cache and refetch the messages of the mailbox. If this happens often then you should investigate the issue. Refetching messages is a very inefficient action. Note: The option to "Always Resynchronize" only works until MailMate is relaunched. I did that now 3 times and every time it restarts. Can it be related to SpamSieve? As this error only happens, if those messages are "trained" again... ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] MailMate deleting wrong message
Looks like Benny addressed this issue in the newly available r5999 version of MM, available at http://updates.mailmate-app.com/archives/. You can preview the release notes here: https://updates.mailmate-app.com/release_notes_archive/MailMate_r5999.html Seems to be working for me on my 2019 Intel MBP running Sonoma 14.1.1. Still, it goes without saying that the usual caveats apply with these early test builds. -Eric On 9 Nov 2023, at 10:10, Eric Sharakan via mailmate wrote: I think I'm seeing something similar. If there's a message selected in the header pane, and I right-click on a different message to perform some action (e.g. marking the message as junk), that action gets applied to the first selected message, NOT the one I right-clicked on. I'm running r5998, and this one issue has me considering downgrading to the last "Benny-approved" test release. -Eric On 9 Nov 2023, at 9:50, Dan Romanchik wrote: Here’s another weird problem that’s started to occur after installing 5997. My configuration includes: - 2017 iMac with 3 GHz with Intel i5 quad-core processor - Ventura 13.6 - MailMate 1.14 (5997) - SpamSieve 3.0.1 When I move a message to junk, MailMate highlights the next message, but if I hit the Delete key, it actually deletes the previous message. Regards, **Dan Romanchik | Technology Writer and Blogger** www.linkedin.com/in/danromanchik www.danromanchik.com 734.930.6564 @kb6nu, @danromanchik ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] No sound after migration
On 20 Nov 2023, at 10:23, Pierre Igot wrote: Thanks to Erik Sharakan for his prompt answer. I actually realized this myself even before I saw his reply that notifications needed to be enabled in System Settings. Everything is fine now. Ahh, so that's something else to check, in addition to enabling "Play user interface sound effects"! Henry, I wonder if this is your problem too? -Eric I don’t REMEMBER seeing MM asking me to enable notifications after I installed it. Either it did and I missed it, or it somehow didn’t. Oh well. As always, we have Apple’s security theatre to thank for this. Thanks again. Pierre On 20 Nov 2023, at 10:57, Pierre Igot wrote: Hi, I have had to do a clean install of macOS (14.1) and to reinstall MailMate. For the most part, everything is working fine. HOWEVER, since the move I find that I am unable to get MailMate to play ANY SOUNDS whatsoever. It doesn't play the whoosh sound for messages being sent, and it doesn't play any sound for incoming messages. Yet when I go to MailMate's preferences and check under Counters > Sound, there is a sound selected there and if I select it again in the popup menu, it plays just fine. Similarly, in MailMate's preferences, under Composer > Sent Message Sound, there is a sound selected there and if I select it again in the popup menu, it plays just fine. So it's not like there cannot be ANY sounds coming from MailMate. They play fine in the preference panes. But they don't play (or are silenced) while using MailMate. I have reproduced this with both r5937 and the latest, r5998. I don't know what else to try. Sounds play fine elsewhere in macOS, through the appropriate channels (general sound output for general sounds and specific sound output for sound effects). Anyone have any suggestions? TIA Pierre -- LATEXT: Literature, music and visuals / Littérature, musique et graphisme - www.latext.com BETALOGUE: Blog - www.betalogue.com | Mastodon: @betalogue@toot.community FAUX AMIS : Site sur les faux amis anglais-français - www.fauxamis.fr | Mastodon: @pierre_igot@mastodon.social -- LATEXT: Literature, music and visuals / Littérature, musique et graphisme - www.latext.com BETALOGUE: Blog - www.betalogue.com | Mastodon: @betalogue@toot.community FAUX AMIS : Site sur les faux amis anglais-français - www.fauxamis.fr | Mastodon: @pierre_igot@mastodon.social ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] No sound after migration
Yeah, seems like it (assuming sounds outside of MM are working correctly for you). Though it works for me on MacOS 14.1.1 and MM r5998, an an Intel MBP. -Eric On 20 Nov 2023, at 10:37, Henry Seiden wrote: Eric, My sound settings are set that way (in Settings>Sound>Play User interface sound effects”) and still no sound for either incoming or outgoing, in MacOS 14.1.1. I assume then that is a MM thing? Just for fun, I tried turning the switch there off and then on again without success. Respectfully, Henry Seiden - - Techworks Pro Co. E: infotechworksprocom W: http://techworkspro.com On 20 Nov 2023, at 10:07, Eric Sharakan via mailmate wrote: I believe you need to enable "Play user interface sound effects" in the System Settings->Sound preference pane. I don't like needing to do that, and mentioned so to Benny a long time ago. -Eric On 20 Nov 2023, at 9:57, Pierre Igot wrote: Hi, I have had to do a clean install of macOS (14.1) and to reinstall MailMate. For the most part, everything is working fine. HOWEVER, since the move I find that I am unable to get MailMate to play ANY SOUNDS whatsoever. It doesn't play the whoosh sound for messages being sent, and it doesn't play any sound for incoming messages. Yet when I go to MailMate's preferences and check under Counters > Sound, there is a sound selected there and if I select it again in the popup menu, it plays just fine. Similarly, in MailMate's preferences, under Composer > Sent Message Sound, there is a sound selected there and if I select it again in the popup menu, it plays just fine. So it's not like there cannot be ANY sounds coming from MailMate. They play fine in the preference panes. But they don't play (or are silenced) while using MailMate. I have reproduced this with both r5937 and the latest, r5998. I don't know what else to try. Sounds play fine elsewhere in macOS, through the appropriate channels (general sound output for general sounds and specific sound output for sound effects). Anyone have any suggestions? TIA Pierre -- LATEXT: Literature, music and visuals / Littérature, musique et graphisme - www.latext.com BETALOGUE: Blog - www.betalogue.com | Mastodon: @betalogue@toot.community FAUX AMIS : Site sur les faux amis anglais-français - www.fauxamis.fr | Mastodon: @pierre_igot@mastodon.social ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] No sound after migration
I believe you need to enable "Play user interface sound effects" in the System Settings->Sound preference pane. I don't like needing to do that, and mentioned so to Benny a long time ago. -Eric On 20 Nov 2023, at 9:57, Pierre Igot wrote: Hi, I have had to do a clean install of macOS (14.1) and to reinstall MailMate. For the most part, everything is working fine. HOWEVER, since the move I find that I am unable to get MailMate to play ANY SOUNDS whatsoever. It doesn't play the whoosh sound for messages being sent, and it doesn't play any sound for incoming messages. Yet when I go to MailMate's preferences and check under Counters > Sound, there is a sound selected there and if I select it again in the popup menu, it plays just fine. Similarly, in MailMate's preferences, under Composer > Sent Message Sound, there is a sound selected there and if I select it again in the popup menu, it plays just fine. So it's not like there cannot be ANY sounds coming from MailMate. They play fine in the preference panes. But they don't play (or are silenced) while using MailMate. I have reproduced this with both r5937 and the latest, r5998. I don't know what else to try. Sounds play fine elsewhere in macOS, through the appropriate channels (general sound output for general sounds and specific sound output for sound effects). Anyone have any suggestions? TIA Pierre -- LATEXT: Literature, music and visuals / Littérature, musique et graphisme - www.latext.com BETALOGUE: Blog - www.betalogue.com | Mastodon: @betalogue@toot.community FAUX AMIS : Site sur les faux amis anglais-français - www.fauxamis.fr | Mastodon: @pierre_igot@mastodon.social ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] How to forward an HTML email when I get only "Please use HTML browser, cannot display in HTML."
Could it be that your composer is just not showing the preview pane? Go to MM's preferences, and under the composer tab, make sure "Preview: display" is to either "when generating HTML" or "always". Then when you forward (or reply to) an HTML email, you should see the preview attached to the compose window. There's an icon on the toolbar to enable and disable the preview. HTH. -Eric On 18 Nov 2023, at 22:41, leo wrote: Hi all I have received an (HTML) email which renders fine in MailMate, but when I want to forward it I get only the following in the forwarding draft: From: ... To: ... Subject: ... Date: 17 Nov 2023 22:23:17 +1100 Please use HTML browser, cannot display in HTML. Any idea how I can forward the content of that message as is (i.e. as HTML)? Thanks for any pointers? Leo ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] MailMate deleting wrong message
I think I'm seeing something similar. If there's a message selected in the header pane, and I right-click on a different message to perform some action (e.g. marking the message as junk), that action gets applied to the first selected message, NOT the one I right-clicked on. I'm running r5998, and this one issue has me considering downgrading to the last "Benny-approved" test release. -Eric On 9 Nov 2023, at 9:50, Dan Romanchik wrote: Here’s another weird problem that’s started to occur after installing 5997. My configuration includes: - 2017 iMac with 3 GHz with Intel i5 quad-core processor - Ventura 13.6 - MailMate 1.14 (5997) - SpamSieve 3.0.1 When I move a message to junk, MailMate highlights the next message, but if I hit the Delete key, it actually deletes the previous message. Regards, **Dan Romanchik | Technology Writer and Blogger** www.linkedin.com/in/danromanchik www.danromanchik.com 734.930.6564 @kb6nu, @danromanchik ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] How to reliably move incoming messages to separate mailboxes?
There's no need to move messages for this coloring feature to work. IIRC, all you need to do is create smart mailboxes containing the conditions you want for coloring the messages. Then, use the Mailbox->Color submenu to choose a color for that mailbox, and also select "Use Color in Message List". Your chosen color will be applied not only to the messages in your smart mailbox, but also to the original messages, wherever they reside. -Eric On 8 Nov 2023, at 13:02, Pierre Igot wrote: Hi, With the elimination in recent versions of MailMate of support for the “hidden” feature for colouring messages in the inbox message list using a file called Styles.plist, I have been told by Benny that I need to use smart mailboxes to apply colours to messages in a combined message list. My problem is that I can only see doing this in a practical fashion by using rules to automatically move incoming messages to specific (coloured) mailboxes and then by using a smart mailbox to combine the contents of these various coloured mailboxes into a single message list, with each message retaining the colour of its parent mailbox. HOWEVER, this only works if my rules for moving incoming messages to specific mailboxes works reliably for all messages. But I am finding that it doesn’t work reliably. Sometimes incoming messages stay in the inbox even though they do meet the criteria of the rule that is supposed to move them. My impression is that this might be because the move action only works when messages actually “arrive” in the inbox, and I am assuming that this “arriving” state is not always detected because incoming messages might arrive in my inbox during a time when MailMate is NOT checking for new mail and one of my other devices (iPad, iPhone) IS checking for new mail, so that the arrival of these messages is not detected by MailMate. (I can “force” MailMate to move these missed messages to their destination by manually moving them to another box and then back to the inbox, but obviously I cannot keep doing this every time MM misses one.) Is that really what’s going on? Or is there another reason why sometimes incoming messages are NOT moved to their respective mailboxes even though they do meet the criteria of the rule that is supposed to move them? If my theory is correct, how can I ensure that incoming messages are ALWAYS moved from the inbox to their destination mailbox reliably, regardless of whether they “arrive” first on my iPhone or iPad before showing up in MailMate on my Mac? Apologies if I am misunderstanding something obvious. Pierre -- LATEXT: Literature, music and visuals / Littérature, musique et graphisme - www.latext.com BETALOGUE: Blog - www.betalogue.com | Twitter: @betalogue | Mastodon: @betalogue@toot.community FAUX AMIS : Site sur les faux amis anglais-français - www.fauxamis.fr | Twitter: @Pierre_Igot ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] How to reliably move incoming messages to separate mailboxes?
On 8 Nov 2023, at 13:19, Rob Russell via mailmate wrote: > On 9 Nov 2023, at 7:02, Pierre Igot wrote: > >> With the elimination in recent versions of MailMate of support for the >> “hidden” feature for colouring messages in the inbox message list using a >> file called Styles.plist, > > That's potentially disappointing. Do the recent versions have a direct > version of colouring? > > Rob Yes, see Benny's note (with the prefix "Update (Nov, 2022):") here: https://freron.lighthouseapp.com/projects/58672-mailmate/tickets/204-feature-reqest-coloring-in-the-message-list#ticket-204-7 -Eric ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Why do I get a skinny window?
Yep, same here. Thanks for the quick fix Benny! -Eric On 15 Sep 2023, at 17:34, Steve Mayer via mailmate wrote: Verified that things are working again with r5986. Thanks for the quick turnaround Benny! Steve Mayer smaye...@me.com On 15 Sep 2023, at 14:12, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: On 15 Sep 2023, at 21:34, Steve Mayer wrote: I can definitely say that it was not in r5984 nor r5983. In fact r5985 was the first time I’ve seen this behavior as I use that feature all the time. That makes sense. Ironically, the problem was that MailMate is now much better at tracking which mailboxes are needed, but it wrongly determined that it no longer needed the dynamically computed content of a submailbox if it had not been recently displayed. (Implementation-wise, the submailboxes feature is still quite a mess, but for now I'm resisting an urge to re-implement it.) I'll remove the update until I've had time to look into it. Sorry about the inconvenience. I believe this particular issue is now fixed in r5986. -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Why do I get a skinny window?
On 15 Sep 2023, at 8:25, Eric Sharakan wrote: On 15 Sep 2023, at 8:15, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: On 15 Sep 2023, at 11:45, Annamarie Pluhar wrote: It’s annoying. The email message is skinny. Here is [link to screenshot.](https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/6fgwxwcob0367rt3g2r42/Screenshot-2023-09-15-at-5.40.30-AM.png?rlkey=jsp71knw6f757gnf5pn8wnk4e=0). This happens when I reboot my computer and start up MM. Any ideas how to change this? But it doesn't happen if you just quit and relaunch MailMate itself? (Seems unlikely that a reboot would be necessary to reproduce it.) In any case, could you try and see if it also happens with the latest upload of MailMate: http://updates.mailmate-app.com/archives/MailMate_r5985.tbz If it's still reproducible then write me via Help > Send Feedback an we'll debug it together. (Some users still have a crashing issue with r5984. I don't think that is fixed yet, but hopefully I'll figure it out next week. Other than that, I believe it's pretty stable.) Hi Benny, I ran into an issue with the "Tagged" smart mailbox using r5985. It's set to show all messages that have tags, with a submailbox for each tag. The mailbox itself works, and theres a sub-mailbox shown for each tag, but none of those submailboxes show any content. I reverted to r5075 and the problem went away. Oops I meant r5975. Thanks. -Eric -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Why do I get a skinny window?
On 15 Sep 2023, at 8:15, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: On 15 Sep 2023, at 11:45, Annamarie Pluhar wrote: It’s annoying. The email message is skinny. Here is [link to screenshot.](https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/6fgwxwcob0367rt3g2r42/Screenshot-2023-09-15-at-5.40.30-AM.png?rlkey=jsp71knw6f757gnf5pn8wnk4e=0). This happens when I reboot my computer and start up MM. Any ideas how to change this? But it doesn't happen if you just quit and relaunch MailMate itself? (Seems unlikely that a reboot would be necessary to reproduce it.) In any case, could you try and see if it also happens with the latest upload of MailMate: http://updates.mailmate-app.com/archives/MailMate_r5985.tbz If it's still reproducible then write me via Help > Send Feedback an we'll debug it together. (Some users still have a crashing issue with r5984. I don't think that is fixed yet, but hopefully I'll figure it out next week. Other than that, I believe it's pretty stable.) Hi Benny, I ran into an issue with the "Tagged" smart mailbox using r5985. It's set to show all messages that have tags, with a submailbox for each tag. The mailbox itself works, and theres a sub-mailbox shown for each tag, but none of those submailboxes show any content. I reverted to r5075 and the problem went away. Thanks. -Eric -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Getting r5978
On 3 Sep 2023, at 7:27, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: > On 3 Sep 2023, at 12:47, Charlie Clark wrote: > >> That's because Benny considers these releases too buggy even for tests. > > Just a quick update on this. This is still true, and I'm working hard to get > back to something usable. Right now, my own build of MailMate is even worse > than r5978. Some times, it is necessary to break things completely in order > to properly fix them. I'm sorry it's taking a lot longer than anticipated, > but I promise the end result will be an improvement. > > -- > Benny Hi Benny (and others), I'm currently running r5975 successfully. I've noticed a couple minor issues, which I've reported via the 'Send Feedback...' menu item. Benny, do you want us to report on issues we find on these experimental builds, or would it be better if we wait until you release an official test build before providing feedback? Thanks. -Eric ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] r5978
On 1 Sep 2023, at 14:44, Steve Mayer via mailmate wrote: I’m currently using r5978 on Ventura 13.5.1. I’ve noticed something in the latest few test builds related to the status of the “Junk State” of the messages. No matter where or what the message is, Right Clicking on the message and choosing “Junk State” always shows the ‘Junk’ entry with the checkmark. I used to be able to choose Junk or Not Junk, but I seem unable to be able to modify this selection. Anyone else seeing this? I’m also using the latest SpamSieve if that makes a difference. Yep, I'm running MM r5975 on Ventura 13.5.1 with SpamSieve and see identical symptoms. -Eric Thanks, Steve Mayer smaye...@me.com ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] r5971?
Hi, I'm back on the list (with a non-gmail address this time) after getting bounced off for the second time in a year. Looking at the online archives, I see some discussion around the latest MM builds (currently at r5971). Are folks happy with this build? Did I see some concerns around crashing or (worse yet IMO) regressions with remembering column settings (which Benny fixed around a year ago with r5909 I believe)? Benny, any comments about whether I should try it? Like many, I'm still on r5964. Thanks. -Eric ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
