MI-L Can't select objects
I have a map of the UK that shows petrol filling station locations - approx 15,000 of them. I want to select those within the London (M25) area - approx 25 km radius. I have tried usinf both the radius tool and the polygon but neither will select all of the points within the boundary of the tool but if I zoom out or select a smaller sample they work OK. I suspect it's something to do with the density of points within the area to be selected but if I zoom out then I can't view the M25 area! Any help appreciated. Mike Collard
RE: MI-L Ang. MI-L Looking for a MapInfo tool to warp vector tab files.
I'd like to second that recommendation. We've also used the tool with great success, and it is a very powerful capability... Will Mitchell Mitchell Geographics, Inc. 496 Congress St Portland, ME 04101 ph 207.879.7769 fx 207.253.5756 www.mitchellgeo.com -Original Message- From: Mats Elfström [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 2:15 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: MI-L Ang. MI-L Looking for a MapInfo tool to warp vector tab files. Hi Stephen! Yes, I do know of one. May I recommend FlexibleMap from Mr Christian Singer (no affiliation) I have been using that for years, not very often, but whenever needed it has proven its value. I have version 2.1, now I see that the current version is 2.3.1, so it is being maintained. (I often find that this kind of add-ons are one night stands who reached their 1.1 version back in 1999 and, despite the need, haven't been developed further) Gripe aside, read more on FlexibleMap at http://www.icsinger.de/flxmap_e.htm Hälsning/ Best regards Mats.E FB Engineering AB Södra Förstadsgatan 26 211 43 Malmö OBS nya telefonnummer! Tel: 040-660 2550 Mobil: 0705-27 60 27 Fax: 040-660 2599 e-post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.fbe.se - List hosting provided by Directions Magazine | www.directionsmag.com | To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message number: 13295 - List hosting provided by Directions Magazine | www.directionsmag.com | To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message number: 13297
MI-L MapInfo 7.8
Hi Listers I am using MapInfo 7.0 currently and noticed that version 7.8 is available, anybody out there using it and thinks that it is worthwhile upgrading? The ability to set a map window to a standard scale (I am assuming the map window's view can then be locked somehow) sounds good, and also the Workspace packager. Is it worth the $$$ to upgrade or look for add ons that you MapBasic gurus create that do the same job? Regards, Brian Cowper - List hosting provided by Directions Magazine | www.directionsmag.com | To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message number: 13298
MI-L Create points
I am trying to create points, my table has xcoords and ycoords. This is the code I am using Update Tampa_plots1 Set obj = CreatePoint ( xcoord,ycoord) I get an error saying it field obj does not exists Can some one help Thanks = __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail - List hosting provided by Directions Magazine | www.directionsmag.com | To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message number: 13299
MI-L calculating the Shortest distance.
Hi all, I got a MapInfo region Table with polygons and a set of co-ordinate (a point) which may fall any where within the region. Ilike to identify a point on the boundary of the polygon which is closest to the co-ordinate/point. Regards, - List hosting provided by Directions Magazine | www.directionsmag.com | To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message number: 13300
Re: MI-L Create points
I need to have the process in Mapbasic as i want to automate this process i have around 100 tables for which i have to create points --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I am trying to create points, my table has xcoords > and > ycoords. This is the code I am using > Update Tampa_plots1 > Set obj = CreatePoint ( xcoord,ycoord) > > I get an error saying it field obj does not exists > > Can some one help > Thanks > > = > > > > > __ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > - > List hosting provided by Directions Magazine | > www.directionsmag.com | > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Message number: 13299 > > = __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail - List hosting provided by Directions Magazine | www.directionsmag.com | To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message number: 13301
RE: MI-L Create points
Maybe you need to make your table mappable before using this update command. Go to Table > Maintenance > Table Structure, Check Mappable and select the projection you want. It might also be a good idea to specify the projection before creating the points, unless you are using a newer version of MapInfo (7.0, 7.5 or 7.8) were you have specified the correct session projection. You can specify the projection in this way: Set CoordSys Table Tampa_plots1 Of course this requires that the coordinates in your table are in the same projection as the table Peter Horsbøll Møller GIS Developer Geographical Information & IT COWI A/S Odensevej 95 DK-5260 Odense S. Denmark Tel +45 6311 4900 Direct +45 6311 4908 Mob +45 5156 1045 Fax +45 6311 4949 E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cowi.dk/gis -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 7:36 PM To: MapInfo-L (E-mail) Subject: MI-L Create points I am trying to create points, my table has xcoords and ycoords. This is the code I am using Update Tampa_plots1 Set obj = CreatePoint ( xcoord,ycoord) I get an error saying it field obj does not exists Can some one help Thanks = __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail - List hosting provided by Directions Magazine | www.directionsmag.com | To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message number: 13299 - List hosting provided by Directions Magazine | www.directionsmag.com | To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message number: 13302
RE: MI-L Create points
If you need the syntax for making a table mappable using MapBasic it is : Create Map For Tampa_plots1 CoordSys Peter Horsbøll Møller GIS Developer Geographical Information & IT COWI A/S Odensevej 95 DK-5260 Odense S. Denmark Tel +45 6311 4900 Direct +45 6311 4908 Mob +45 5156 1045 Fax +45 6311 4949 E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cowi.dk/gis -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 7:47 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; MapInfo-L (E-mail) Subject: Re: MI-L Create points I need to have the process in Mapbasic as i want to automate this process i have around 100 tables for which i have to create points --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I am trying to create points, my table has xcoords > and > ycoords. This is the code I am using > Update Tampa_plots1 > Set obj = CreatePoint ( xcoord,ycoord) > > I get an error saying it field obj does not exists > > Can some one help > Thanks > > = > > > > > __ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > - > List hosting provided by Directions Magazine | www.directionsmag.com | > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Message number: 13299 > > = __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail - List hosting provided by Directions Magazine | www.directionsmag.com | To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message number: 13301 - List hosting provided by Directions Magazine | www.directionsmag.com | To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message number: 13303
RE: MI-L Create points
I tried to what u all said, it opens a map window and it says that it cannot find any obj thanks for all the help My code is Register Table "E:\SHT_KEVIN\Tampa_plots.txt" TYPE ASCII Delimiter 9 Titles Charset "WindowsLatin1" Into "E:\SHT_KEVIN\Tampa_plots.TAB" Open Table "E:\SHT_KEVIN\Tampa_plots.TAB" Interactive Browse * From Tampa_plots Create Map For Tampa_plots CoordSys Earth Projection 1, 0 Commit Table Tampa_plots As "E:\SHT_KEVIN\Tampa_plots1.TAB" TYPE NATIVE Charset "WindowsLatin1" Open Table "E:\SHT_KEVIN\Tampa_plots1.TAB" Interactive Browse * From Tampa_plots1 Alter Table "Tampa_plots1" ( modify ycoord Float,xcoord Float ) Interactive Create Map For Tampa_plots1 CoordSys Earth Projection 1, 0 Commit Table Tampa_plots1 Open Table "Tampa_plots1" Update Tampa_plots1 Set obj = CreatePoint(xcoord,ycoord) Create Map For Tampa_plots1 Map From Tampa_plots1 --- Peter_Horsbøll_Møller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: = __ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Messenger - Communicate in real time. Download now. http://messenger.yahoo.com - List hosting provided by Directions Magazine | www.directionsmag.com | To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message number: 13304
RE: MI-L Create points
It is possible you haven't made the Tampa_plot1 mappable open table NewFile_Name Interactive Create Map For NewFile_Name update NewFile_Name Set obj = CreatePoint(Longitude ,Latitude ) Hope this helps Steve Zuckerman (v) 800.762.5158 (f) 802.602.1004 (e) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (w) www.maponics.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 12:47 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; MapInfo-L (E-mail) Subject: Re: MI-L Create points I need to have the process in Mapbasic as i want to automate this process i have around 100 tables for which i have to create points --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I am trying to create points, my table has xcoords > and > ycoords. This is the code I am using > Update Tampa_plots1 > Set obj = CreatePoint ( xcoord,ycoord) > > I get an error saying it field obj does not exists > > Can some one help > Thanks > > = > > > > > __ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > - > List hosting provided by Directions Magazine | www.directionsmag.com | > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Message number: 13299 > > = __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail - List hosting provided by Directions Magazine | www.directionsmag.com | To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message number: 13301 - List hosting provided by Directions Magazine | www.directionsmag.com | To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message number: 13305
RE: MI-L Create points
You have too many Create Map statement now. Try this one: * Register Table "E:\SHT_KEVIN\Tampa_plots.txt" Type ASCII Delimiter 9 Titles Charset "WindowsLatin1" Into "E:\SHT_KEVIN\Tampa_plots.TAB" Open Table "E:\SHT_KEVIN\Tampa_plots.TAB" Interactive Browse * From Tampa_plots Create Map For Tampa_plots CoordSys Earth Projection 1, 0 Commit Table Tampa_plots As "E:\SHT_KEVIN\Tampa_plots1.TAB" Type NATIVE Charset "WindowsLatin1" Open Table "E:\SHT_KEVIN\Tampa_plots1.TAB" Interactive Alter Table "Tampa_plots1" ( modify ycoord Float, xcoord Float ) Interactive Create Map For Tampa_plots1 CoordSys Earth Projection 1, 0 Update Tampa_plots1 Set obj = CreatePoint(xcoord,ycoord) Commit Table Tampa_plots1 Map From Tampa_plots1 * Peter Horsbøll Møller GIS Developer Geographical Information & IT COWI A/S Odensevej 95 DK-5260 Odense S. Denmark Tel +45 6311 4900 Direct +45 6311 4908 Mob +45 5156 1045 Fax +45 6311 4949 E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cowi.dk/gis -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 7:57 PM To: MapInfo-L (E-mail) Subject: RE: MI-L Create points I tried to what u all said, it opens a map window and it says that it cannot find any obj thanks for all the help My code is Register Table "E:\SHT_KEVIN\Tampa_plots.txt" TYPE ASCII Delimiter 9 Titles Charset "WindowsLatin1" Into "E:\SHT_KEVIN\Tampa_plots.TAB" Open Table "E:\SHT_KEVIN\Tampa_plots.TAB" Interactive Browse * From Tampa_plots Create Map For Tampa_plots CoordSys Earth Projection 1, 0 Commit Table Tampa_plots As "E:\SHT_KEVIN\Tampa_plots1.TAB" TYPE NATIVE Charset "WindowsLatin1" Open Table "E:\SHT_KEVIN\Tampa_plots1.TAB" Interactive Browse * From Tampa_plots1 Alter Table "Tampa_plots1" ( modify ycoord Float,xcoord Float ) Interactive Create Map For Tampa_plots1 CoordSys Earth Projection 1, 0 Commit Table Tampa_plots1 Open Table "Tampa_plots1" Update Tampa_plots1 Set obj = CreatePoint(xcoord,ycoord) Create Map For Tampa_plots1 Map From Tampa_plots1 --- Peter_Horsbøll_Møller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: = __ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Messenger - Communicate in real time. Download now. http://messenger.yahoo.com - List hosting provided by Directions Magazine | www.directionsmag.com | To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message number: 13304 - List hosting provided by Directions Magazine | www.directionsmag.com | To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message number: 13306
RE: MI-L Create points
Thank you, it is working Namita --- Peter_Horsbøll_Møller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You have too many Create Map statement now. > > Try this one: > > * > Register Table "E:\SHT_KEVIN\Tampa_plots.txt" > Type ASCII > Delimiter 9 > Titles > Charset "WindowsLatin1" > Into "E:\SHT_KEVIN\Tampa_plots.TAB" > Open Table "E:\SHT_KEVIN\Tampa_plots.TAB" > Interactive > Browse * From Tampa_plots > Create Map For Tampa_plots > CoordSys Earth Projection 1, 0 > Commit Table Tampa_plots As > "E:\SHT_KEVIN\Tampa_plots1.TAB" > Type NATIVE > Charset "WindowsLatin1" > Open Table "E:\SHT_KEVIN\Tampa_plots1.TAB" > Interactive > Alter Table "Tampa_plots1" > ( modify ycoord Float, xcoord Float ) Interactive > Create Map For Tampa_plots1 > CoordSys Earth Projection 1, 0 > Update Tampa_plots1 Set obj = > CreatePoint(xcoord,ycoord) > Commit Table Tampa_plots1 > Map From Tampa_plots1 > * > > Peter Horsbøll Møller > GIS Developer > Geographical Information & IT > > COWI A/S > Odensevej 95 > DK-5260 Odense S. > Denmark > > Tel +45 6311 4900 > Direct+45 6311 4908 > Mob +45 5156 1045 > Fax +45 6311 4949 > E-mail[EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.cowi.dk/gis > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 7:57 PM > To: MapInfo-L (E-mail) > Subject: RE: MI-L Create points > > > I tried to what u all said, it opens a map window > and > it says that it cannot find any obj > thanks for all the help > > My code is > > Register Table "E:\SHT_KEVIN\Tampa_plots.txt" TYPE > ASCII Delimiter 9 Titles Charset "WindowsLatin1" > Into "E:\SHT_KEVIN\Tampa_plots.TAB" Open Table > "E:\SHT_KEVIN\Tampa_plots.TAB" Interactive Browse * > From Tampa_plots Create Map For Tampa_plots CoordSys > Earth Projection 1, 0 Commit Table Tampa_plots As > "E:\SHT_KEVIN\Tampa_plots1.TAB" TYPE NATIVE Charset > "WindowsLatin1" Open Table > "E:\SHT_KEVIN\Tampa_plots1.TAB" Interactive Browse * > From Tampa_plots1 Alter Table "Tampa_plots1" ( > modify ycoord Float,xcoord Float ) Interactive > Create Map For Tampa_plots1 CoordSys Earth > Projection 1, 0 Commit Table Tampa_plots1 Open Table > "Tampa_plots1" Update Tampa_plots1 Set obj = > CreatePoint(xcoord,ycoord) Create Map For > Tampa_plots1 > Map From Tampa_plots1 > --- Peter_Horsbøll_Møller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > = > > > > > __ > Do you Yahoo!? > Y! Messenger - Communicate in real time. Download > now. > http://messenger.yahoo.com > > - > List hosting provided by Directions Magazine | > www.directionsmag.com | To unsubscribe, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Message number: 13304 > > > > - > List hosting provided by Directions Magazine | > www.directionsmag.com | > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Message number: 13306 > > > = __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail - List hosting provided by Directions Magazine | www.directionsmag.com | To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message number: 13307
Re: MI-L MapInfo 7.8
On Tue, 14 Sep 2004, Cowper, Brian wrote: > [regarding upgrading to 7.8] Is it worth the $$$ to upgrade or look for > add ons that you MapBasic gurus create that do the same job? Ver 7.8 isn't out until Sept. 20th, so nobody's tried it just yet. Whether it's worth the $$$ to upgrade depends on whether you want the new features (see http://www.gisnet.com/catalog/software/index.php?url=mapinfo/overview.htm) and bug fixes. If you depend on MapInfo for your work (as I do) I've found it lots more convenient to stay current. And if you skip an upgrade, the next one costs $200 more and if you have MapBasic, that upgrade goes from free to $295. BTW, if you get the optional Upgrade Protection plan for $395 when you upgrade, all the major upgrades over the next year are shipped to you automatically... which means if 8.0 comes out within the next, you'd be getting it for essentially $395 instead of the usual $595. Furthermore, if you buy your upgrades from resellers (like me) who support MapInfo-L, you further the cause, and get all the free add-ons we build and donate to the archives. Buy from MapInfo direct or through some other reseller who's never heard of MapInfo-L, and one day all the freebies here will dry up and we all might be standing out on street corners in the freezing snow trying to sell matches to eke out a living... er, maybe. - Bill Thoen www.gisnet.com 303-786-9961 - List hosting provided by Directions Magazine | www.directionsmag.com | To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message number: 13308
Re: MI-L MapInfo 7.8
Now we are talking new versions: Last week at the Danish MapInfo conference I was told by MapInfo Corp. that there would continue to be MapInfo for win32 for at least a couple more versions before they go .NET only. So expect: 1) MI 8.0 / win32 2) MI 8.0 / .NET (public beta in Dec/Jan) 3) MI 9.0 / win32 (or something like that) 4) MI 9.0 / .NET So they will be developing for 2 platforms at the same time for a period. Seems like they don't want to do the same as ESRI did by dropping the old platform too fast. Apparently they want to see how the new .NET version is received first. By being on maintenance you get all these versions for a fixed yearly price (at least I expect that). Regards Uffe - Original Message - From: "Bill Thoen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Cowper, Brian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "MapInfo-L (E-mail)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 9:11 PM Subject: Re: MI-L MapInfo 7.8 On Tue, 14 Sep 2004, Cowper, Brian wrote: > [regarding upgrading to 7.8] Is it worth the $$$ to upgrade or look for > add ons that you MapBasic gurus create that do the same job? Ver 7.8 isn't out until Sept. 20th, so nobody's tried it just yet. Whether it's worth the $$$ to upgrade depends on whether you want the new features (see http://www.gisnet.com/catalog/software/index.php?url=mapinfo/overview.htm) and bug fixes. If you depend on MapInfo for your work (as I do) I've found it lots more convenient to stay current. And if you skip an upgrade, the next one costs $200 more and if you have MapBasic, that upgrade goes from free to $295. BTW, if you get the optional Upgrade Protection plan for $395 when you upgrade, all the major upgrades over the next year are shipped to you automatically... which means if 8.0 comes out within the next, you'd be getting it for essentially $395 instead of the usual $595. Furthermore, if you buy your upgrades from resellers (like me) who support MapInfo-L, you further the cause, and get all the free add-ons we build and donate to the archives. Buy from MapInfo direct or through some other reseller who's never heard of MapInfo-L, and one day all the freebies here will dry up and we all might be standing out on street corners in the freezing snow trying to sell matches to eke out a living... er, maybe. - Bill Thoen www.gisnet.com 303-786-9961 - List hosting provided by Directions Magazine | www.directionsmag.com | To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message number: 13309
RE: MI-L MapInfo 7.8
Well, Bill, I never new that you were having such a touch life !! Maybe I should donate some money to you as I don't want to see you standing freezing on the corners ;-) I'm sure you would be missed here on MapInfo-L !! BTW, don't count on MapInfo 8.0 being the .NET version. MapInfo actually haven't decided on what to call that new version. I also heard that they would start releasing alpha/beta version of this new MapInfo Pro .NET in november/december Peter Horsbøll Møller GIS Developer Geographical Information & IT COWI A/S Odensevej 95 DK-5260 Odense S. Denmark Tel +45 6311 4900 Direct +45 6311 4908 Mob +45 5156 1045 Fax +45 6311 4949 E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cowi.dk/gis -Original Message- From: Bill Thoen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 9:12 PM To: Cowper, Brian Cc: MapInfo-L (E-mail) Subject: Re: MI-L MapInfo 7.8 On Tue, 14 Sep 2004, Cowper, Brian wrote: > [regarding upgrading to 7.8] Is it worth the $$$ to upgrade or look > for add ons that you MapBasic gurus create that do the same job? Ver 7.8 isn't out until Sept. 20th, so nobody's tried it just yet. Whether it's worth the $$$ to upgrade depends on whether you want the new features (see http://www.gisnet.com/catalog/software/index.php?url=mapinfo/overview.htm) and bug fixes. If you depend on MapInfo for your work (as I do) I've found it lots more convenient to stay current. And if you skip an upgrade, the next one costs $200 more and if you have MapBasic, that upgrade goes from free to $295. BTW, if you get the optional Upgrade Protection plan for $395 when you upgrade, all the major upgrades over the next year are shipped to you automatically... which means if 8.0 comes out within the next, you'd be getting it for essentially $395 instead of the usual $595. Furthermore, if you buy your upgrades from resellers (like me) who support MapInfo-L, you further the cause, and get all the free add-ons we build and donate to the archives. Buy from MapInfo direct or through some other reseller who's never heard of MapInfo-L, and one day all the freebies here will dry up and we all might be standing out on street corners in the freezing snow trying to sell matches to eke out a living... er, maybe. - Bill Thoen www.gisnet.com 303-786-9961 - List hosting provided by Directions Magazine | www.directionsmag.com | To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message number: 13308 - List hosting provided by Directions Magazine | www.directionsmag.com | To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message number: 13310
MI-L MapBasic vs VisualStudio .NET
One thing that stroke me last weekend when I was attending a seminar at a university in Denmark was the fact that we as MapBasic developers soon will be in complete control by Microsoft. We will no longer have our own developing language not connected to the Microsoft world. So every time Microsoft tells us to change our horses and go for a new developing enviroment, MapInfo and the rest of us just have to follow. This might also mean that sourcecode developed over the years might not longer be working in a new version of MapInfo that has shifted to a new developing enviroment. They reason why I realized this was the fact that I was told that stuff that had been developed for ArcGIS 8 not would work on ArcGIS 9 as ESRI has shifted from COM to .NET But of course we do get a major developing enviroment that we never have had when using MapBasic, so maybe the it's not that bad at all ?? Or ?? Peter Horsbøll Møller GIS Developer Geographical Information & IT COWI A/S Odensevej 95 DK-5260 Odense S. Denmark Tel +45 6311 4900 Direct +45 6311 4908 Mob +45 5156 1045 Fax +45 6311 4949 E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cowi.dk/gis -Original Message- From: Uffe Kousgaard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 9:22 PM To: Mapinfo-L Subject: Re: MI-L MapInfo 7.8 Now we are talking new versions: Last week at the Danish MapInfo conference I was told by MapInfo Corp. that there would continue to be MapInfo for win32 for at least a couple more versions before they go .NET only. So expect: 1) MI 8.0 / win32 2) MI 8.0 / .NET (public beta in Dec/Jan) 3) MI 9.0 / win32 (or something like that) 4) MI 9.0 / .NET So they will be developing for 2 platforms at the same time for a period. Seems like they don't want to do the same as ESRI did by dropping the old platform too fast. Apparently they want to see how the new .NET version is received first. By being on maintenance you get all these versions for a fixed yearly price (at least I expect that). Regards Uffe - Original Message - From: "Bill Thoen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Cowper, Brian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "MapInfo-L (E-mail)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 9:11 PM Subject: Re: MI-L MapInfo 7.8 On Tue, 14 Sep 2004, Cowper, Brian wrote: > [regarding upgrading to 7.8] Is it worth the $$$ to upgrade or look for > add ons that you MapBasic gurus create that do the same job? Ver 7.8 isn't out until Sept. 20th, so nobody's tried it just yet. Whether it's worth the $$$ to upgrade depends on whether you want the new features (see http://www.gisnet.com/catalog/software/index.php?url=mapinfo/overview.htm) and bug fixes. If you depend on MapInfo for your work (as I do) I've found it lots more convenient to stay current. And if you skip an upgrade, the next one costs $200 more and if you have MapBasic, that upgrade goes from free to $295. BTW, if you get the optional Upgrade Protection plan for $395 when you upgrade, all the major upgrades over the next year are shipped to you automatically... which means if 8.0 comes out within the next, you'd be getting it for essentially $395 instead of the usual $595. Furthermore, if you buy your upgrades from resellers (like me) who support MapInfo-L, you further the cause, and get all the free add-ons we build and donate to the archives. Buy from MapInfo direct or through some other reseller who's never heard of MapInfo-L, and one day all the freebies here will dry up and we all might be standing out on street corners in the freezing snow trying to sell matches to eke out a living... er, maybe. - Bill Thoen www.gisnet.com 303-786-9961 - List hosting provided by Directions Magazine | www.directionsmag.com | To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message number: 13309 - List hosting provided by Directions Magazine | www.directionsmag.com | To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message number: 13311
RE: MI-L MapBasic vs VisualStudio .NET
Resistance is futile you will be assimilated Bob Garrett Senior RF Engineer Sprint PCS Kansas City, MO One thing that stroke me last weekend when I was attending a seminar at a university in Denmark was the fact that we as MapBasic developers soon will be in complete control by Microsoft. We will no longer have our own developing language not connected to the Microsoft world. So every time Microsoft tells us to change our horses and go for a new developing enviroment, MapInfo and the rest of us just have to follow. This might also mean that sourcecode developed over the years might not longer be working in a new version of MapInfo that has shifted to a new developing enviroment. They reason why I realized this was the fact that I was told that stuff that had been developed for ArcGIS 8 not would work on ArcGIS 9 as ESRI has shifted from COM to .NET But of course we do get a major developing enviroment that we never have had when using MapBasic, so maybe the it's not that bad at all ?? Or ?? Peter Horsbøll Møller GIS Developer Geographical Information & IT COWI A/S Odensevej 95 DK-5260 Odense S. Denmark Tel +45 6311 4900 Direct +45 6311 4908 Mob +45 5156 1045 Fax +45 6311 4949 E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cowi.dk/gis -Original Message- From: Uffe Kousgaard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 9:22 PM To: Mapinfo-L Subject: Re: MI-L MapInfo 7.8 Now we are talking new versions: Last week at the Danish MapInfo conference I was told by MapInfo Corp. that there would continue to be MapInfo for win32 for at least a couple more versions before they go .NET only. So expect: 1) MI 8.0 / win32 2) MI 8.0 / .NET (public beta in Dec/Jan) 3) MI 9.0 / win32 (or something like that) 4) MI 9.0 / .NET So they will be developing for 2 platforms at the same time for a period. Seems like they don't want to do the same as ESRI did by dropping the old platform too fast. Apparently they want to see how the new .NET version is received first. By being on maintenance you get all these versions for a fixed yearly price (at least I expect that). Regards Uffe - Original Message - From: "Bill Thoen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Cowper, Brian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "MapInfo-L (E-mail)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 9:11 PM Subject: Re: MI-L MapInfo 7.8 On Tue, 14 Sep 2004, Cowper, Brian wrote: > [regarding upgrading to 7.8] Is it worth the $$$ to upgrade or look for > add ons that you MapBasic gurus create that do the same job? Ver 7.8 isn't out until Sept. 20th, so nobody's tried it just yet. Whether it's worth the $$$ to upgrade depends on whether you want the new features (see http://www.gisnet.com/catalog/software/index.php?url=mapinfo/overview.htm) and bug fixes. If you depend on MapInfo for your work (as I do) I've found it lots more convenient to stay current. And if you skip an upgrade, the next one costs $200 more and if you have MapBasic, that upgrade goes from free to $295. BTW, if you get the optional Upgrade Protection plan for $395 when you upgrade, all the major upgrades over the next year are shipped to you automatically... which means if 8.0 comes out within the next, you'd be getting it for essentially $395 instead of the usual $595. Furthermore, if you buy your upgrades from resellers (like me) who support MapInfo-L, you further the cause, and get all the free add-ons we build and donate to the archives. Buy from MapInfo direct or through some other reseller who's never heard of MapInfo-L, and one day all the freebies here will dry up and we all might be standing out on street corners in the freezing snow trying to sell matches to eke out a living... er, maybe. - Bill Thoen www.gisnet.com 303-786-9961 - List hosting provided by Directions Magazine | www.directionsmag.com | To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message number: 13309 - List hosting provided by Directions Magazine | www.directionsmag.com | To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message number: 13311 - List hosting provided by Directions Magazine | www.directionsmag.com | To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message number: 13312
RE: MI-L MapBasic vs VisualStudio .NET
Yes, I now I have nowhere to run... and I don't intend to. I'll stay with MapInfo until I die, or... he ... well at least for a while ;-) But how do you see this ? Do you think it's a problem ? Peter Horsbøll Møller GIS Developer Geographical Information & IT COWI A/S Odensevej 95 DK-5260 Odense S. Denmark Tel +45 6311 4900 Direct +45 6311 4908 Mob +45 5156 1045 Fax +45 6311 4949 E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cowi.dk/gis -Original Message- From: Garrett, Robert G [NTK] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 9:59 PM To: Mapinfo-L Subject: RE: MI-L MapBasic vs VisualStudio .NET Resistance is futile you will be assimilated Bob Garrett Senior RF Engineer Sprint PCS Kansas City, MO One thing that stroke me last weekend when I was attending a seminar at a university in Denmark was the fact that we as MapBasic developers soon will be in complete control by Microsoft. We will no longer have our own developing language not connected to the Microsoft world. So every time Microsoft tells us to change our horses and go for a new developing enviroment, MapInfo and the rest of us just have to follow. This might also mean that sourcecode developed over the years might not longer be working in a new version of MapInfo that has shifted to a new developing enviroment. They reason why I realized this was the fact that I was told that stuff that had been developed for ArcGIS 8 not would work on ArcGIS 9 as ESRI has shifted from COM to .NET But of course we do get a major developing enviroment that we never have had when using MapBasic, so maybe the it's not that bad at all ?? Or ?? Peter Horsbøll Møller GIS Developer Geographical Information & IT COWI A/S Odensevej 95 DK-5260 Odense S. Denmark Tel +45 6311 4900 Direct +45 6311 4908 Mob +45 5156 1045 Fax +45 6311 4949 E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cowi.dk/gis -Original Message- From: Uffe Kousgaard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 9:22 PM To: Mapinfo-L Subject: Re: MI-L MapInfo 7.8 Now we are talking new versions: Last week at the Danish MapInfo conference I was told by MapInfo Corp. that there would continue to be MapInfo for win32 for at least a couple more versions before they go .NET only. So expect: 1) MI 8.0 / win32 2) MI 8.0 / .NET (public beta in Dec/Jan) 3) MI 9.0 / win32 (or something like that) 4) MI 9.0 / .NET So they will be developing for 2 platforms at the same time for a period. Seems like they don't want to do the same as ESRI did by dropping the old platform too fast. Apparently they want to see how the new .NET version is received first. By being on maintenance you get all these versions for a fixed yearly price (at least I expect that). Regards Uffe - Original Message - From: "Bill Thoen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Cowper, Brian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "MapInfo-L (E-mail)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 9:11 PM Subject: Re: MI-L MapInfo 7.8 On Tue, 14 Sep 2004, Cowper, Brian wrote: > [regarding upgrading to 7.8] Is it worth the $$$ to upgrade or look for > add ons that you MapBasic gurus create that do the same job? Ver 7.8 isn't out until Sept. 20th, so nobody's tried it just yet. Whether it's worth the $$$ to upgrade depends on whether you want the new features (see http://www.gisnet.com/catalog/software/index.php?url=mapinfo/overview.htm) and bug fixes. If you depend on MapInfo for your work (as I do) I've found it lots more convenient to stay current. And if you skip an upgrade, the next one costs $200 more and if you have MapBasic, that upgrade goes from free to $295. BTW, if you get the optional Upgrade Protection plan for $395 when you upgrade, all the major upgrades over the next year are shipped to you automatically... which means if 8.0 comes out within the next, you'd be getting it for essentially $395 instead of the usual $595. Furthermore, if you buy your upgrades from resellers (like me) who support MapInfo-L, you further the cause, and get all the free add-ons we build and donate to the archives. Buy from MapInfo direct or through some other reseller who's never heard of MapInfo-L, and one day all the freebies here will dry up and we all might be standing out on street corners in the freezing snow trying to sell matches to eke out a living... er, maybe. - Bill Thoen www.gisnet.com 303-786-9961 - List hosting provided by Directions Magazine | www.directionsmag.com | To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message number: 13309 - List hosting provided by Directions Magazine | www.directionsmag.com | To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message number: 13311 ---
RE: MI-L MapInfo 7.8
I would be happier for MapInfo to run both a .NET and Win32 version of MI Pro. Looking at what they have done with MapXtreme 2004 where it is a mix of .NET and Win32 and isn't completely compatible with either framework, I would prefer to wait for the to completely re-write the core to the .NET framework. I have also heard that the MI for .NET is based on the Envinsa Platform, which is a .NET compatible. This is my 2 cents worth. Cheers Ian -Original Message- From: Uffe Kousgaard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 15 September 2004 7:22 a.m. To: Mapinfo-L Subject: Re: MI-L MapInfo 7.8 Now we are talking new versions: Last week at the Danish MapInfo conference I was told by MapInfo Corp. that there would continue to be MapInfo for win32 for at least a couple more versions before they go .NET only. So expect: 1) MI 8.0 / win32 2) MI 8.0 / .NET (public beta in Dec/Jan) 3) MI 9.0 / win32 (or something like that) 4) MI 9.0 / .NET So they will be developing for 2 platforms at the same time for a period. Seems like they don't want to do the same as ESRI did by dropping the old platform too fast. Apparently they want to see how the new .NET version is received first. By being on maintenance you get all these versions for a fixed yearly price (at least I expect that). Regards Uffe - Original Message - From: "Bill Thoen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Cowper, Brian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "MapInfo-L (E-mail)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 9:11 PM Subject: Re: MI-L MapInfo 7.8 On Tue, 14 Sep 2004, Cowper, Brian wrote: > [regarding upgrading to 7.8] Is it worth the $$$ to upgrade or look for > add ons that you MapBasic gurus create that do the same job? Ver 7.8 isn't out until Sept. 20th, so nobody's tried it just yet. Whether it's worth the $$$ to upgrade depends on whether you want the new features (see http://www.gisnet.com/catalog/software/index.php?url=mapinfo/overview.htm) and bug fixes. If you depend on MapInfo for your work (as I do) I've found it lots more convenient to stay current. And if you skip an upgrade, the next one costs $200 more and if you have MapBasic, that upgrade goes from free to $295. BTW, if you get the optional Upgrade Protection plan for $395 when you upgrade, all the major upgrades over the next year are shipped to you automatically... which means if 8.0 comes out within the next, you'd be getting it for essentially $395 instead of the usual $595. Furthermore, if you buy your upgrades from resellers (like me) who support MapInfo-L, you further the cause, and get all the free add-ons we build and donate to the archives. Buy from MapInfo direct or through some other reseller who's never heard of MapInfo-L, and one day all the freebies here will dry up and we all might be standing out on street corners in the freezing snow trying to sell matches to eke out a living... er, maybe. - Bill Thoen www.gisnet.com 303-786-9961 - List hosting provided by Directions Magazine | www.directionsmag.com | To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message number: 13309 ## This e-mail message has been scanned and cleared by MailMarshal ## ## Attention: This e-mail message and accompanying data may contain information that is confidential and subject to legal privilege. Any information provided is given in good faith. However unless specifically stated to the contrary, Napier City Council accepts no liability for the content of this e-mail or for the consequences of any action taken on the basis of the information provided, unless that information is subsequently confirmed in writing. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message or data is prohibited. If you received this e-mail message in error, please notify us immediately and erase all copies of this message and attachments. Thank you. - List hosting provided by Directions Magazine | www.directionsmag.com | To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message number: 13314
RE: MI-L MapBasic vs VisualStudio .NET
This may seem a dumb question, but why will you be limited to MS VS .NET, I thought as long as you can compile against the CLR you could use any .NET language. Am I wrong in my thinking, but this has raised a thought. How are you going to get the programming interface? At the moment if you want to write MapBasic apps you buy MapBasic, in the future with .NET languages will MI Pro just find made available to as a component to what ever language you have installed, or will it have some sort of .NET VBA embedded? Cheers Ian -Original Message- From: Peter Horsbøll Møller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 15 September 2004 8:08 a.m. To: Garrett, Robert G [NTK]; Mapinfo-L Subject: RE: MI-L MapBasic vs VisualStudio .NET Yes, I now I have nowhere to run... and I don't intend to. I'll stay with MapInfo until I die, or... he ... well at least for a while ;-) But how do you see this ? Do you think it's a problem ? Peter Horsbøll Møller GIS Developer Geographical Information & IT COWI A/S Odensevej 95 DK-5260 Odense S. Denmark Tel +45 6311 4900 Direct +45 6311 4908 Mob +45 5156 1045 Fax +45 6311 4949 E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cowi.dk/gis -Original Message- From: Garrett, Robert G [NTK] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 9:59 PM To: Mapinfo-L Subject: RE: MI-L MapBasic vs VisualStudio .NET Resistance is futile you will be assimilated Bob Garrett Senior RF Engineer Sprint PCS Kansas City, MO One thing that stroke me last weekend when I was attending a seminar at a university in Denmark was the fact that we as MapBasic developers soon will be in complete control by Microsoft. We will no longer have our own developing language not connected to the Microsoft world. So every time Microsoft tells us to change our horses and go for a new developing enviroment, MapInfo and the rest of us just have to follow. This might also mean that sourcecode developed over the years might not longer be working in a new version of MapInfo that has shifted to a new developing enviroment. They reason why I realized this was the fact that I was told that stuff that had been developed for ArcGIS 8 not would work on ArcGIS 9 as ESRI has shifted from COM to .NET But of course we do get a major developing enviroment that we never have had when using MapBasic, so maybe the it's not that bad at all ?? Or ?? Peter Horsbøll Møller GIS Developer Geographical Information & IT COWI A/S Odensevej 95 DK-5260 Odense S. Denmark Tel +45 6311 4900 Direct +45 6311 4908 Mob +45 5156 1045 Fax +45 6311 4949 E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cowi.dk/gis -Original Message- From: Uffe Kousgaard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 9:22 PM To: Mapinfo-L Subject: Re: MI-L MapInfo 7.8 Now we are talking new versions: Last week at the Danish MapInfo conference I was told by MapInfo Corp. that there would continue to be MapInfo for win32 for at least a couple more versions before they go .NET only. So expect: 1) MI 8.0 / win32 2) MI 8.0 / .NET (public beta in Dec/Jan) 3) MI 9.0 / win32 (or something like that) 4) MI 9.0 / .NET So they will be developing for 2 platforms at the same time for a period. Seems like they don't want to do the same as ESRI did by dropping the old platform too fast. Apparently they want to see how the new .NET version is received first. By being on maintenance you get all these versions for a fixed yearly price (at least I expect that). Regards Uffe - Original Message - From: "Bill Thoen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Cowper, Brian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "MapInfo-L (E-mail)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 9:11 PM Subject: Re: MI-L MapInfo 7.8 On Tue, 14 Sep 2004, Cowper, Brian wrote: > [regarding upgrading to 7.8] Is it worth the $$$ to upgrade or look for > add ons that you MapBasic gurus create that do the same job? Ver 7.8 isn't out until Sept. 20th, so nobody's tried it just yet. Whether it's worth the $$$ to upgrade depends on whether you want the new features (see http://www.gisnet.com/catalog/software/index.php?url=mapinfo/overview.htm) and bug fixes. If you depend on MapInfo for your work (as I do) I've found it lots more convenient to stay current. And if you skip an upgrade, the next one costs $200 more and if you have MapBasic, that upgrade goes from free to $295. BTW, if you get the optional Upgrade Protection plan for $395 when you upgrade, all the major upgrades over the next year are shipped to you automatically... which means if 8.0 comes out within the next, you'd be getting it for essentially $395 instead of the usual $595. Furthermore, if you buy your upgrades from resellers (like me) who support MapInfo-L, you further the cause, and get all the free add-ons we build and donate to the archives. Buy from MapInfo direct or through some other reseller who's never heard of MapInfo-L, and one day all the freebies here will dry up and
RE: MI-L MapBasic vs VisualStudio .NET
I'm not sure whether they will build some kind of VBA into MapInfo, but maybe my point was stupid or just not clear. Consider this: What if you didn't have MapBasic now but were using VB to develope applications for MapInfo. How big a job would it be to port all your VB sourcecode to VB.NET ? I don't think that .NET will be the last new technology update from Microsoft so once in the future we will have to port our sourcecode from VB.NEt/C# to .NEWNET or whatever this new technology will be called. Peter Horsbøll Møller GIS Developer Geographical Information & IT COWI A/S Odensevej 95 DK-5260 Odense S. Denmark Tel +45 6311 4900 Direct +45 6311 4908 Mob +45 5156 1045 Fax +45 6311 4949 E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cowi.dk/gis -Original Message- From: Ian Tidy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 10:17 PM To: Peter Horsbøll Møller Cc: MapInfo-L Subject: RE: MI-L MapBasic vs VisualStudio .NET This may seem a dumb question, but why will you be limited to MS VS .NET, I thought as long as you can compile against the CLR you could use any .NET language. Am I wrong in my thinking, but this has raised a thought. How are you going to get the programming interface? At the moment if you want to write MapBasic apps you buy MapBasic, in the future with .NET languages will MI Pro just find made available to as a component to what ever language you have installed, or will it have some sort of .NET VBA embedded? Cheers Ian -Original Message- From: Peter Horsbøll Møller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 15 September 2004 8:08 a.m. To: Garrett, Robert G [NTK]; Mapinfo-L Subject: RE: MI-L MapBasic vs VisualStudio .NET Yes, I now I have nowhere to run... and I don't intend to. I'll stay with MapInfo until I die, or... he ... well at least for a while ;-) But how do you see this ? Do you think it's a problem ? Peter Horsbøll Møller GIS Developer Geographical Information & IT COWI A/S Odensevej 95 DK-5260 Odense S. Denmark Tel +45 6311 4900 Direct +45 6311 4908 Mob +45 5156 1045 Fax +45 6311 4949 E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cowi.dk/gis -Original Message- From: Garrett, Robert G [NTK] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 9:59 PM To: Mapinfo-L Subject: RE: MI-L MapBasic vs VisualStudio .NET Resistance is futile you will be assimilated Bob Garrett Senior RF Engineer Sprint PCS Kansas City, MO One thing that stroke me last weekend when I was attending a seminar at a university in Denmark was the fact that we as MapBasic developers soon will be in complete control by Microsoft. We will no longer have our own developing language not connected to the Microsoft world. So every time Microsoft tells us to change our horses and go for a new developing enviroment, MapInfo and the rest of us just have to follow. This might also mean that sourcecode developed over the years might not longer be working in a new version of MapInfo that has shifted to a new developing enviroment. They reason why I realized this was the fact that I was told that stuff that had been developed for ArcGIS 8 not would work on ArcGIS 9 as ESRI has shifted from COM to .NET But of course we do get a major developing enviroment that we never have had when using MapBasic, so maybe the it's not that bad at all ?? Or ?? Peter Horsbøll Møller GIS Developer Geographical Information & IT COWI A/S Odensevej 95 DK-5260 Odense S. Denmark Tel +45 6311 4900 Direct +45 6311 4908 Mob +45 5156 1045 Fax +45 6311 4949 E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cowi.dk/gis -Original Message- From: Uffe Kousgaard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 9:22 PM To: Mapinfo-L Subject: Re: MI-L MapInfo 7.8 Now we are talking new versions: Last week at the Danish MapInfo conference I was told by MapInfo Corp. that there would continue to be MapInfo for win32 for at least a couple more versions before they go .NET only. So expect: 1) MI 8.0 / win32 2) MI 8.0 / .NET (public beta in Dec/Jan) 3) MI 9.0 / win32 (or something like that) 4) MI 9.0 / .NET So they will be developing for 2 platforms at the same time for a period. Seems like they don't want to do the same as ESRI did by dropping the old platform too fast. Apparently they want to see how the new .NET version is received first. By being on maintenance you get all these versions for a fixed yearly price (at least I expect that). Regards Uffe - Original Message - From: "Bill Thoen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Cowper, Brian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "MapInfo-L (E-mail)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 9:11 PM Subject: Re: MI-L MapInfo 7.8 On Tue, 14 Sep 2004, Cowper, Brian wrote: > [regarding upgrading to 7.8] Is it worth the $$$ to upgrade or look for > add ons that you MapBasic gurus create that do the same job? Ver 7.8 isn't out until Sept. 20th, so nobody's tried it just yet
RE: MI-L MapBasic vs VisualStudio .NET
FYI the ArcObjects (Application Programming Interface, or API) changed from V8.1 to 8.2 to 8.3 and now 9.0. It is not a VB6 vs. .NET issue; you can write code for 9.0 using either tool. However your old code (regardless of compiler) will not run as a binary and my one example didn't compile straight away either. This is an ESRI issue, not Microsoft's. (Doesn't make it any more easy to digest, however). -Original Message- From: Peter Horsbøll Møller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 12:31 PM To: Mapinfo-L Subject: MI-L MapBasic vs VisualStudio .NET One thing that stroke me last weekend when I was attending a seminar at a university in Denmark was the fact that we as MapBasic developers soon will be in complete control by Microsoft. We will no longer have our own developing language not connected to the Microsoft world. So every time Microsoft tells us to change our horses and go for a new developing enviroment, MapInfo and the rest of us just have to follow. This might also mean that sourcecode developed over the years might not longer be working in a new version of MapInfo that has shifted to a new developing enviroment. They reason why I realized this was the fact that I was told that stuff that had been developed for ArcGIS 8 not would work on ArcGIS 9 as ESRI has shifted from COM to .NET But of course we do get a major developing enviroment that we never have had when using MapBasic, so maybe the it's not that bad at all ?? Or ?? Peter Horsbøll Møller GIS Developer Geographical Information & IT COWI A/S Odensevej 95 DK-5260 Odense S. Denmark Tel +45 6311 4900 Direct +45 6311 4908 Mob +45 5156 1045 Fax +45 6311 4949 E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cowi.dk/gis -Original Message- From: Uffe Kousgaard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 9:22 PM To: Mapinfo-L Subject: Re: MI-L MapInfo 7.8 Now we are talking new versions: Last week at the Danish MapInfo conference I was told by MapInfo Corp. that there would continue to be MapInfo for win32 for at least a couple more versions before they go .NET only. So expect: 1) MI 8.0 / win32 2) MI 8.0 / .NET (public beta in Dec/Jan) 3) MI 9.0 / win32 (or something like that) 4) MI 9.0 / .NET So they will be developing for 2 platforms at the same time for a period. Seems like they don't want to do the same as ESRI did by dropping the old platform too fast. Apparently they want to see how the new .NET version is received first. By being on maintenance you get all these versions for a fixed yearly price (at least I expect that). Regards Uffe - Original Message - From: "Bill Thoen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Cowper, Brian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "MapInfo-L (E-mail)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 9:11 PM Subject: Re: MI-L MapInfo 7.8 On Tue, 14 Sep 2004, Cowper, Brian wrote: > [regarding upgrading to 7.8] Is it worth the $$$ to upgrade or look for > add ons that you MapBasic gurus create that do the same job? Ver 7.8 isn't out until Sept. 20th, so nobody's tried it just yet. Whether it's worth the $$$ to upgrade depends on whether you want the new features (see http://www.gisnet.com/catalog/software/index.php?url=mapinfo/overview.htm) and bug fixes. If you depend on MapInfo for your work (as I do) I've found it lots more convenient to stay current. And if you skip an upgrade, the next one costs $200 more and if you have MapBasic, that upgrade goes from free to $295. BTW, if you get the optional Upgrade Protection plan for $395 when you upgrade, all the major upgrades over the next year are shipped to you automatically... which means if 8.0 comes out within the next, you'd be getting it for essentially $395 instead of the usual $595. Furthermore, if you buy your upgrades from resellers (like me) who support MapInfo-L, you further the cause, and get all the free add-ons we build and donate to the archives. Buy from MapInfo direct or through some other reseller who's never heard of MapInfo-L, and one day all the freebies here will dry up and we all might be standing out on street corners in the freezing snow trying to sell matches to eke out a living... er, maybe. - Bill Thoen www.gisnet.com 303-786-9961 - List hosting provided by Directions Magazine | www.directionsmag.com | To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message number: 13309 - List hosting provided by Directions Magazine | www.directionsmag.com | To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message number: 13311 - List hosting provided by Directions Magazine | www.directionsmag.com | To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For
Re: MI-L MapBasic vs VisualStudio .NET
Peter, you keep bringing good arguments for not using MS development tools. Try Borland for a change. Most of my old code still compiles happily with all versions of Delphi. Resistance sometimes pays off :-) Regards Uffe - Original Message - From: "Peter Horsbøll Møller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Ian Tidy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "MapInfo-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 10:25 PM Subject: RE: MI-L MapBasic vs VisualStudio .NET I don't think that .NET will be the last new technology update from Microsoft so once in the future we will have to port our sourcecode from VB.NEt/C# to .NEWNET or whatever this new technology will be called. - List hosting provided by Directions Magazine | www.directionsmag.com | To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message number: 13318
RE: MI-L MapBasic vs VisualStudio .NET
Sorry for that, Uffe. But that wasn't my intention. I'm definitely moving towards VS.NET and C#. Have you tested MapXtreme 2004 with a Delphi .NET compiler ? I'm not sure if MapInfo actually supports Borland ??!! Peter Horsbøll Møller GIS Developer Geographical Information & IT COWI A/S Odensevej 95 DK-5260 Odense S. Denmark Tel +45 6311 4900 Direct +45 6311 4908 Mob +45 5156 1045 Fax +45 6311 4949 E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cowi.dk/gis -Original Message- From: Uffe Kousgaard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 10:39 PM To: Mapinfo-L Subject: Re: MI-L MapBasic vs VisualStudio .NET Peter, you keep bringing good arguments for not using MS development tools. Try Borland for a change. Most of my old code still compiles happily with all versions of Delphi. Resistance sometimes pays off :-) Regards Uffe - Original Message - From: "Peter Horsbøll Møller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Ian Tidy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "MapInfo-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 10:25 PM Subject: RE: MI-L MapBasic vs VisualStudio .NET I don't think that .NET will be the last new technology update from Microsoft so once in the future we will have to port our sourcecode from VB.NEt/C# to .NEWNET or whatever this new technology will be called. - List hosting provided by Directions Magazine | www.directionsmag.com | To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message number: 13318 - List hosting provided by Directions Magazine | www.directionsmag.com | To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message number: 13319
Re: MI-L Can't select objects
Mike I've had selection problems in the past when a map contains tables with very different (orders of magnitude) bounds. When zoomed in you couldn't click on an object and select it. Sometimes you'd click on one object and something else would select. Make sure the bounds on all tables are the same. Cheers Steve King - Original Message - From: "Collard, Mike MB SUKOP-UORM/232" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 6:09 PM Subject: MI-L Can't select objects I have a map of the UK that shows petrol filling station locations - approx 15,000 of them. I want to select those within the London (M25) area - approx 25 km radius. I have tried usinf both the radius tool and the polygon but neither will select all of the points within the boundary of the tool but if I zoom out or select a smaller sample they work OK. I suspect it's something to do with the density of points within the area to be selected but if I zoom out then I can't view the M25 area! Any help appreciated. Mike Collard - List hosting provided by Directions Magazine | www.directionsmag.com | To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message number: 13320
RE: MI-L MapBasic vs VisualStudio .NET
I understand the point you make with having to port code between technologies when ever Microsoft decide to change or upgrade something. I was looking at it from a different angle, I use Delphi for .NET and I thought that one of the objectives for the .NET framework was code portability (i.e. If you write in VB, C#, Java, Delphi, etc all code is compiled against a common language runtime "CLR"). My question (not knowing how ESRI have done it) is this, how is the development environment going to be made available to the user. Am I going to have to invest in MS VS.NET or will I be able to write code in Delphi? Cheers Ian -Original Message- From: Peter Horsbøll Møller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 15 September 2004 8:25 a.m. To: Ian Tidy Cc: MapInfo-L Subject: RE: MI-L MapBasic vs VisualStudio .NET I'm not sure whether they will build some kind of VBA into MapInfo, but maybe my point was stupid or just not clear. Consider this: What if you didn't have MapBasic now but were using VB to develope applications for MapInfo. How big a job would it be to port all your VB sourcecode to VB.NET ? I don't think that .NET will be the last new technology update from Microsoft so once in the future we will have to port our sourcecode from VB.NEt/C# to .NEWNET or whatever this new technology will be called. Peter Horsbøll Møller GIS Developer Geographical Information & IT COWI A/S Odensevej 95 DK-5260 Odense S. Denmark Tel +45 6311 4900 Direct +45 6311 4908 Mob +45 5156 1045 Fax +45 6311 4949 E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cowi.dk/gis -Original Message- From: Ian Tidy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 10:17 PM To: Peter Horsbøll Møller Cc: MapInfo-L Subject: RE: MI-L MapBasic vs VisualStudio .NET This may seem a dumb question, but why will you be limited to MS VS .NET, I thought as long as you can compile against the CLR you could use any .NET language. Am I wrong in my thinking, but this has raised a thought. How are you going to get the programming interface? At the moment if you want to write MapBasic apps you buy MapBasic, in the future with .NET languages will MI Pro just find made available to as a component to what ever language you have installed, or will it have some sort of .NET VBA embedded? Cheers Ian -Original Message- From: Peter Horsbøll Møller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 15 September 2004 8:08 a.m. To: Garrett, Robert G [NTK]; Mapinfo-L Subject: RE: MI-L MapBasic vs VisualStudio .NET Yes, I now I have nowhere to run... and I don't intend to. I'll stay with MapInfo until I die, or... he ... well at least for a while ;-) But how do you see this ? Do you think it's a problem ? Peter Horsbøll Møller GIS Developer Geographical Information & IT COWI A/S Odensevej 95 DK-5260 Odense S. Denmark Tel +45 6311 4900 Direct +45 6311 4908 Mob +45 5156 1045 Fax +45 6311 4949 E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cowi.dk/gis ## Attention: This e-mail message and accompanying data may contain information that is confidential and subject to legal privilege. Any information provided is given in good faith. However unless specifically stated to the contrary, Napier City Council accepts no liability for the content of this e-mail or for the consequences of any action taken on the basis of the information provided, unless that information is subsequently confirmed in writing. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message or data is prohibited. If you received this e-mail message in error, please notify us immediately and erase all copies of this message and attachments. Thank you. - List hosting provided by Directions Magazine | www.directionsmag.com | To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message number: 13321
Re: MI-L MapBasic vs VisualStudio .NET
In all fairness: Applications developed for arcgis 8.1 runs on 8.2 and 8.3 as well (not just VBA, even VB applications do so). Only 9.0 requires changes and 10.0 will probably also do so, when it arrives in the future. With MapInfo we have been so fortunate, that mbx applications developed a long time ago still runs on the latest version of MapInfo. If the ESRI trend shown above also starts at the MapInfo platform, it means that 3rd party applications bought for version X, can not be used on version X+1. That will make users less willingly to upgrade the base MapInfo license or it may mean 3rd party developers get more upgrade fees - not a bad consequence :-) Kind regards Uffe Kousgaard www.routeware.dk - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 10:26 PM Subject: RE: MI-L MapBasic vs VisualStudio .NET FYI the ArcObjects (Application Programming Interface, or API) changed from V8.1 to 8.2 to 8.3 and now 9.0. It is not a VB6 vs. .NET issue; you can write code for 9.0 using either tool. However your old code (regardless of compiler) will not run as a binary and my one example didn't compile straight away either. This is an ESRI issue, not Microsoft's. (Doesn't make it any more easy to digest, however). -Original Message- From: Peter Horsbøll Møller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 12:31 PM To: Mapinfo-L Subject: MI-L MapBasic vs VisualStudio .NET One thing that stroke me last weekend when I was attending a seminar at a university in Denmark was the fact that we as MapBasic developers soon will be in complete control by Microsoft. We will no longer have our own developing language not connected to the Microsoft world. So every time Microsoft tells us to change our horses and go for a new developing enviroment, MapInfo and the rest of us just have to follow. This might also mean that sourcecode developed over the years might not longer be working in a new version of MapInfo that has shifted to a new developing enviroment. They reason why I realized this was the fact that I was told that stuff that had been developed for ArcGIS 8 not would work on ArcGIS 9 as ESRI has shifted from COM to .NET But of course we do get a major developing enviroment that we never have had when using MapBasic, so maybe the it's not that bad at all ?? Or ?? Peter Horsbøll Møller GIS Developer Geographical Information & IT COWI A/S Odensevej 95 DK-5260 Odense S. Denmark Tel +45 6311 4900 Direct +45 6311 4908 Mob +45 5156 1045 Fax +45 6311 4949 E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cowi.dk/gis -Original Message- From: Uffe Kousgaard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 9:22 PM To: Mapinfo-L Subject: Re: MI-L MapInfo 7.8 Now we are talking new versions: Last week at the Danish MapInfo conference I was told by MapInfo Corp. that there would continue to be MapInfo for win32 for at least a couple more versions before they go .NET only. So expect: 1) MI 8.0 / win32 2) MI 8.0 / .NET (public beta in Dec/Jan) 3) MI 9.0 / win32 (or something like that) 4) MI 9.0 / .NET So they will be developing for 2 platforms at the same time for a period. Seems like they don't want to do the same as ESRI did by dropping the old platform too fast. Apparently they want to see how the new .NET version is received first. By being on maintenance you get all these versions for a fixed yearly price (at least I expect that). Regards Uffe - Original Message - From: "Bill Thoen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Cowper, Brian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "MapInfo-L (E-mail)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 9:11 PM Subject: Re: MI-L MapInfo 7.8 On Tue, 14 Sep 2004, Cowper, Brian wrote: > [regarding upgrading to 7.8] Is it worth the $$$ to upgrade or look for > add ons that you MapBasic gurus create that do the same job? Ver 7.8 isn't out until Sept. 20th, so nobody's tried it just yet. Whether it's worth the $$$ to upgrade depends on whether you want the new features (see http://www.gisnet.com/catalog/software/index.php?url=mapinfo/overview.htm) and bug fixes. If you depend on MapInfo for your work (as I do) I've found it lots more convenient to stay current. And if you skip an upgrade, the next one costs $200 more and if you have MapBasic, that upgrade goes from free to $295. BTW, if you get the optional Upgrade Protection plan for $395 when you upgrade, all the major upgrades over the next year are shipped to you automatically... which means if 8.0 comes out within the next, you'd be getting it for essentially $395 instead of the usual $595. Furthermore, if you buy your upgrades from resellers (like me) who support MapInfo-L, you further the cause, and get all the free add-ons we build and donate to the archives. Buy from MapInfo direct or through some other reseller who's never heard of MapInfo-L, and one day all the freebies here will dry up and we all migh
RE: MI-L MapInfo 7.8....OK confuse me more!!!
Hello List This NET vs Windows conversation leaves me somewhat confused. I am still using MI5.0 so you see the reason!! I have been thinking of upgrading but 5.0 has worked along with all the addins and tricks and special pixie dust to make things work. But now I see that I spend more time doing things the hard way ..like having to convert SHP to TAB instead of opening them direct. So I see the advantage of an upgrade but what is the advantage to me of waiting for NET version??? My calloused forehead thinks that NET applications run on the web and I will have to have hi-speed internet to use them. Lose control of owning a program and other problems. Where is a succinct explanation about NET applications and how they would impact applications and their use. Thanks..tom == Tom ThomsonNorthwest Agricultural Consulting 1275 Oak Villa Road[EMAIL PROTECTED] Dallas, Oregon 97338 Phone/FAX 503-623-0468 "The only difference between a problem and a solution is that everyone understands the solution."Charles Kettering === - List hosting provided by Directions Magazine | www.directionsmag.com | To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message number: 13323
Re: MI-L MapBasic vs VisualStudio .NET
No, I haven't had the time to try MapXtreme 2004 at all. MapInfo supplys sample code for C#, so that is the only .NET language they support. But any CLR compatible language should be OK. Regards Uffe - Original Message - From: "Peter Horsbøll Møller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Uffe Kousgaard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Mapinfo-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 10:43 PM Subject: RE: MI-L MapBasic vs VisualStudio .NET Sorry for that, Uffe. But that wasn't my intention. I'm definitely moving towards VS.NET and C#. Have you tested MapXtreme 2004 with a Delphi .NET compiler ? I'm not sure if MapInfo actually supports Borland ??!! Peter Horsbøll Møller GIS Developer Geographical Information & IT COWI A/S Odensevej 95 DK-5260 Odense S. Denmark Tel +45 6311 4900 Direct +45 6311 4908 Mob +45 5156 1045 Fax +45 6311 4949 E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cowi.dk/gis - List hosting provided by Directions Magazine | www.directionsmag.com | To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message number: 13324
RE: MI-L MapBasic vs VisualStudio .NET
Good question, Ian. I read somewhere, I guess it was with the alpha/beta version og MapXtreme 2004, that the Borland development suite not was supported, but whether this is the case with the final version I don't know. Hopefully they support Borland/Delphi as well Peter Horsbøll Møller GIS Developer Geographical Information & IT COWI A/S Odensevej 95 DK-5260 Odense S. Denmark Tel +45 6311 4900 Direct +45 6311 4908 Mob +45 5156 1045 Fax +45 6311 4949 E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cowi.dk/gis -Original Message- From: Ian Tidy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 10:48 PM To: Peter Horsbøll Møller Cc: MapInfo-L Subject: RE: MI-L MapBasic vs VisualStudio .NET I understand the point you make with having to port code between technologies when ever Microsoft decide to change or upgrade something. I was looking at it from a different angle, I use Delphi for .NET and I thought that one of the objectives for the .NET framework was code portability (i.e. If you write in VB, C#, Java, Delphi, etc all code is compiled against a common language runtime "CLR"). My question (not knowing how ESRI have done it) is this, how is the development environment going to be made available to the user. Am I going to have to invest in MS VS.NET or will I be able to write code in Delphi? Cheers Ian -Original Message- From: Peter Horsbøll Møller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 15 September 2004 8:25 a.m. To: Ian Tidy Cc: MapInfo-L Subject: RE: MI-L MapBasic vs VisualStudio .NET I'm not sure whether they will build some kind of VBA into MapInfo, but maybe my point was stupid or just not clear. Consider this: What if you didn't have MapBasic now but were using VB to develope applications for MapInfo. How big a job would it be to port all your VB sourcecode to VB.NET ? I don't think that .NET will be the last new technology update from Microsoft so once in the future we will have to port our sourcecode from VB.NEt/C# to .NEWNET or whatever this new technology will be called. Peter Horsbøll Møller GIS Developer Geographical Information & IT COWI A/S Odensevej 95 DK-5260 Odense S. Denmark Tel +45 6311 4900 Direct +45 6311 4908 Mob +45 5156 1045 Fax +45 6311 4949 E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cowi.dk/gis -Original Message- From: Ian Tidy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 10:17 PM To: Peter Horsbøll Møller Cc: MapInfo-L Subject: RE: MI-L MapBasic vs VisualStudio .NET This may seem a dumb question, but why will you be limited to MS VS .NET, I thought as long as you can compile against the CLR you could use any .NET language. Am I wrong in my thinking, but this has raised a thought. How are you going to get the programming interface? At the moment if you want to write MapBasic apps you buy MapBasic, in the future with .NET languages will MI Pro just find made available to as a component to what ever language you have installed, or will it have some sort of .NET VBA embedded? Cheers Ian -Original Message- From: Peter Horsbøll Møller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 15 September 2004 8:08 a.m. To: Garrett, Robert G [NTK]; Mapinfo-L Subject: RE: MI-L MapBasic vs VisualStudio .NET Yes, I now I have nowhere to run... and I don't intend to. I'll stay with MapInfo until I die, or... he ... well at least for a while ;-) But how do you see this ? Do you think it's a problem ? Peter Horsbøll Møller GIS Developer Geographical Information & IT COWI A/S Odensevej 95 DK-5260 Odense S. Denmark Tel +45 6311 4900 Direct +45 6311 4908 Mob +45 5156 1045 Fax +45 6311 4949 E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cowi.dk/gis ## Attention: This e-mail message and accompanying data may contain information that is confidential and subject to legal privilege. Any information provided is given in good faith. However unless specifically stated to the contrary, Napier City Council accepts no liability for the content of this e-mail or for the consequences of any action taken on the basis of the information provided, unless that information is subsequently confirmed in writing. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message or data is prohibited. If you received this e-mail message in error, please notify us immediately and erase all copies of this message and attachments. Thank you. - List hosting provided by Directions Magazine | www.directionsmag.com | To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message number: 13325
RE: MI-L MapBasic vs VisualStudio .NET
As has been mentioned, by definition anything that compiles to the CLR intermediate code must work. Your choice of language (Delphi/Pascal, C#, VB, ???) is completely up to you. This is a separate question from whether VBA will be packaged with the product. The distinction is more like: VBA == A semi-formal MapBasic module .NET == an embedded mapping application with MapInfo hosted as an OLE (COM) application inside VB or some such. -Original Message- From: Uffe Kousgaard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 2:00 PM To: Mapinfo-L Subject: Re: MI-L MapBasic vs VisualStudio .NET No, I haven't had the time to try MapXtreme 2004 at all. MapInfo supplys sample code for C#, so that is the only .NET language they support. But any CLR compatible language should be OK. Regards Uffe - Original Message - From: "Peter Horsbøll Møller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Uffe Kousgaard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Mapinfo-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 10:43 PM Subject: RE: MI-L MapBasic vs VisualStudio .NET Sorry for that, Uffe. But that wasn't my intention. I'm definitely moving towards VS.NET and C#. Have you tested MapXtreme 2004 with a Delphi .NET compiler ? I'm not sure if MapInfo actually supports Borland ??!! Peter Horsbøll Møller GIS Developer Geographical Information & IT COWI A/S Odensevej 95 DK-5260 Odense S. Denmark Tel +45 6311 4900 Direct +45 6311 4908 Mob +45 5156 1045 Fax +45 6311 4949 E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cowi.dk/gis - List hosting provided by Directions Magazine | www.directionsmag.com | To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message number: 13324 - List hosting provided by Directions Magazine | www.directionsmag.com | To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message number: 13326
RE: MI-L MapBasic vs VisualStudio .NET ... MapXtreme 2004
Because of the way MapInfo have written MapXtreme 2004. It is not 100% .NET compatible and includes a number of unsafe DLLs. It is not compatible with Delphi, but is compatible with C# Builder. MapInfo state that they have only tested it with MS Visual Studio .NET. Cheers Ian -Original Message- From: Peter Horsbøll Møller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 15 September 2004 9:01 a.m. To: Ian Tidy Cc: MapInfo-L Subject: RE: MI-L MapBasic vs VisualStudio .NET Good question, Ian. I read somewhere, I guess it was with the alpha/beta version og MapXtreme 2004, that the Borland development suite not was supported, but whether this is the case with the final version I don't know. Hopefully they support Borland/Delphi as well Peter Horsbøll Møller GIS Developer Geographical Information & IT COWI A/S Odensevej 95 DK-5260 Odense S. Denmark Tel +45 6311 4900 Direct +45 6311 4908 Mob +45 5156 1045 Fax +45 6311 4949 E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cowi.dk/gis -Original Message- From: Ian Tidy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 10:48 PM To: Peter Horsbøll Møller Cc: MapInfo-L Subject: RE: MI-L MapBasic vs VisualStudio .NET I understand the point you make with having to port code between technologies when ever Microsoft decide to change or upgrade something. I was looking at it from a different angle, I use Delphi for .NET and I thought that one of the objectives for the .NET framework was code portability (i.e. If you write in VB, C#, Java, Delphi, etc all code is compiled against a common language runtime "CLR"). My question (not knowing how ESRI have done it) is this, how is the development environment going to be made available to the user. Am I going to have to invest in MS VS.NET or will I be able to write code in Delphi? Cheers Ian -Original Message- From: Peter Horsbøll Møller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 15 September 2004 8:25 a.m. To: Ian Tidy Cc: MapInfo-L Subject: RE: MI-L MapBasic vs VisualStudio .NET I'm not sure whether they will build some kind of VBA into MapInfo, but maybe my point was stupid or just not clear. Consider this: What if you didn't have MapBasic now but were using VB to develope applications for MapInfo. How big a job would it be to port all your VB sourcecode to VB.NET ? I don't think that .NET will be the last new technology update from Microsoft so once in the future we will have to port our sourcecode from VB.NEt/C# to .NEWNET or whatever this new technology will be called. Peter Horsbøll Møller GIS Developer Geographical Information & IT COWI A/S Odensevej 95 DK-5260 Odense S. Denmark Tel +45 6311 4900 Direct +45 6311 4908 Mob +45 5156 1045 Fax +45 6311 4949 E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cowi.dk/gis -Original Message- From: Ian Tidy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 10:17 PM To: Peter Horsbøll Møller Cc: MapInfo-L Subject: RE: MI-L MapBasic vs VisualStudio .NET This may seem a dumb question, but why will you be limited to MS VS .NET, I thought as long as you can compile against the CLR you could use any .NET language. Am I wrong in my thinking, but this has raised a thought. How are you going to get the programming interface? At the moment if you want to write MapBasic apps you buy MapBasic, in the future with .NET languages will MI Pro just find made available to as a component to what ever language you have installed, or will it have some sort of .NET VBA embedded? Cheers Ian -Original Message- From: Peter Horsbøll Møller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 15 September 2004 8:08 a.m. To: Garrett, Robert G [NTK]; Mapinfo-L Subject: RE: MI-L MapBasic vs VisualStudio .NET Yes, I now I have nowhere to run... and I don't intend to. I'll stay with MapInfo until I die, or... he ... well at least for a while ;-) But how do you see this ? Do you think it's a problem ? Peter Horsbøll Møller GIS Developer Geographical Information & IT COWI A/S Odensevej 95 DK-5260 Odense S. Denmark Tel +45 6311 4900 Direct +45 6311 4908 Mob +45 5156 1045 Fax +45 6311 4949 E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cowi.dk/gis ## Attention: This e-mail message and accompanying data may contain information that is confidential and subject to legal privilege. Any information provided is given in good faith. However unless specifically stated to the contrary, Napier City Council accepts no liability for the content of this e-mail or for the consequences of any action taken on the basis of the information provided, unless that information is subsequently confirmed in writing. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message or data is prohibited. If you received this e-mail message in error, please notify us immediately and erase all copies of this messa
RE: MI-L MapBasic vs VisualStudio .NET ... MapXtreme 2004
That makes sense -- "unsafe DLL" is the key phrase here. This means that the DLL is using the old calling sequences and old data types (ie it was written in C++ or something like that); these things do NOT follow the .NET calling conventions. Some languages can spoof the "unsafe" calls and data types, others cannot. We don't get to interop nirvana until everybody's converted all that we care about to the .NET CLR data types and calling sequences. -Original Message- From: Ian Tidy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 2:09 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: MapInfo-L Subject: RE: MI-L MapBasic vs VisualStudio .NET ... MapXtreme 2004 Because of the way MapInfo have written MapXtreme 2004. It is not 100% .NET compatible and includes a number of unsafe DLLs. It is not compatible with Delphi, but is compatible with C# Builder. MapInfo state that they have only tested it with MS Visual Studio .NET. Cheers Ian -Original Message- From: Peter Horsbøll Møller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 15 September 2004 9:01 a.m. To: Ian Tidy Cc: MapInfo-L Subject: RE: MI-L MapBasic vs VisualStudio .NET Good question, Ian. I read somewhere, I guess it was with the alpha/beta version og MapXtreme 2004, that the Borland development suite not was supported, but whether this is the case with the final version I don't know. Hopefully they support Borland/Delphi as well Peter Horsbøll Møller GIS Developer Geographical Information & IT COWI A/S Odensevej 95 DK-5260 Odense S. Denmark Tel +45 6311 4900 Direct +45 6311 4908 Mob +45 5156 1045 Fax +45 6311 4949 E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cowi.dk/gis -Original Message- From: Ian Tidy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 10:48 PM To: Peter Horsbøll Møller Cc: MapInfo-L Subject: RE: MI-L MapBasic vs VisualStudio .NET I understand the point you make with having to port code between technologies when ever Microsoft decide to change or upgrade something. I was looking at it from a different angle, I use Delphi for .NET and I thought that one of the objectives for the .NET framework was code portability (i.e. If you write in VB, C#, Java, Delphi, etc all code is compiled against a common language runtime "CLR"). My question (not knowing how ESRI have done it) is this, how is the development environment going to be made available to the user. Am I going to have to invest in MS VS.NET or will I be able to write code in Delphi? Cheers Ian -Original Message- From: Peter Horsbøll Møller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 15 September 2004 8:25 a.m. To: Ian Tidy Cc: MapInfo-L Subject: RE: MI-L MapBasic vs VisualStudio .NET I'm not sure whether they will build some kind of VBA into MapInfo, but maybe my point was stupid or just not clear. Consider this: What if you didn't have MapBasic now but were using VB to develope applications for MapInfo. How big a job would it be to port all your VB sourcecode to VB.NET ? I don't think that .NET will be the last new technology update from Microsoft so once in the future we will have to port our sourcecode from VB.NEt/C# to .NEWNET or whatever this new technology will be called. Peter Horsbøll Møller GIS Developer Geographical Information & IT COWI A/S Odensevej 95 DK-5260 Odense S. Denmark Tel +45 6311 4900 Direct +45 6311 4908 Mob +45 5156 1045 Fax +45 6311 4949 E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cowi.dk/gis -Original Message- From: Ian Tidy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 10:17 PM To: Peter Horsbøll Møller Cc: MapInfo-L Subject: RE: MI-L MapBasic vs VisualStudio .NET This may seem a dumb question, but why will you be limited to MS VS .NET, I thought as long as you can compile against the CLR you could use any .NET language. Am I wrong in my thinking, but this has raised a thought. How are you going to get the programming interface? At the moment if you want to write MapBasic apps you buy MapBasic, in the future with .NET languages will MI Pro just find made available to as a component to what ever language you have installed, or will it have some sort of .NET VBA embedded? Cheers Ian -Original Message- From: Peter Horsbøll Møller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 15 September 2004 8:08 a.m. To: Garrett, Robert G [NTK]; Mapinfo-L Subject: RE: MI-L MapBasic vs VisualStudio .NET Yes, I now I have nowhere to run... and I don't intend to. I'll stay with MapInfo until I die, or... he ... well at least for a while ;-) But how do you see this ? Do you think it's a problem ? Peter Horsbøll Møller GIS Developer Geographical Information & IT COWI A/S Odensevej 95 DK-5260 Odense S. Denmark Tel +45 6311 4900 Direct +45 6311 4908 Mob +45 5156 1045 Fax +45 6311 4949 E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cowi.dk/gis ## Attention: This
MI-L Distance to from points to objects
Hi, I have just uploaded a new tool to the Tools section at DirectionsMag. http://www.directionsmag.com/files/index.php/view/588 This tool can help you calculate the distance from objects in one table to objects in another table. The objects in the distination table can be complex objects such as regions or polylines. If so the tool calcualtes the distance to a point on this object that is closest to the origin object. The objects in the origin table must be points, if not the application uses the centroid. I know it is possible to calcualte the distance from regions to regions, but I couldn't see the solution to this right now, and it also was getting kind of late here in Denmark. So this feature must wait until the next version ;-) Cheers, Peter Horsbøll Møller GIS Developer Geographical Information & IT COWI A/S Odensevej 95 DK-5260 Odense S. Denmark Tel +45 6311 4900 Direct +45 6311 4908 Mob +45 5156 1045 Fax +45 6311 4949 E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cowi.dk/gis
FW: MI-L MapInfo 7.8....OK confuse me more!!!
-Original Message- From: Neil Havermale Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 7:07 AM To: 'Tom Thomson' Subject: RE: MI-L MapInfo 7.8OK confuse me more!!! As far as the "succinct" explanation, I would suggest you are watching one develop. On the Delphi thing, the limited understanding that I have on the potential for .NET is that it will be far better in the management of legacy .NET code meaning that issues of drivers and libraries that shift in significant ways through time to cause problems when installed over each other (like under the 32 design), will be fully managed by .NET protocols? I have a question for the ESRI ArcGIS developers. My understanding is that ESRI may have a unique version of VB for ArcGIS work? Also are the ESRI 8 and 9 platforms a so called "XP Certified" product? I notice that the pending 7.8 MapInfo Pro is "XP Certified". As to if it will make the same for MIP 8 and above I don't know but I would be interested to know if it really makes much of any difference. I notice that the current MapXtream.NET version may be a tad unstable for say Delphi just for this reason? And not to get too freaked out by the "rumor" mill, having two versions of MapInfo Pro, one for 32 with MapBasic and the other for NET, seems a bit worrisome and would suggest a doubling of the development effort? MidNight Mapper Aka neil -Original Message- From: Tom Thomson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 6:53 AM To: MapInfo-L Subject: RE: MI-L MapInfo 7.8OK confuse me more!!! Hello List This NET vs Windows conversation leaves me somewhat confused. I am still using MI5.0 so you see the reason!! I have been thinking of upgrading but 5.0 has worked along with all the addins and tricks and special pixie dust to make things work. But now I see that I spend more time doing things the hard way ..like having to convert SHP to TAB instead of opening them direct. So I see the advantage of an upgrade but what is the advantage to me of waiting for NET version??? My calloused forehead thinks that NET applications run on the web and I will have to have hi-speed internet to use them. Lose control of owning a program and other problems. Where is a succinct explanation about NET applications and how they would impact applications and their use. Thanks..tom == Tom ThomsonNorthwest Agricultural Consulting 1275 Oak Villa Road[EMAIL PROTECTED] Dallas, Oregon 97338 Phone/FAX 503-623-0468 "The only difference between a problem and a solution is that everyone understands the solution."Charles Kettering === - List hosting provided by Directions Magazine | www.directionsmag.com | To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message number: 13323 - List hosting provided by Directions Magazine | www.directionsmag.com | To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message number: 13330
RE: MI-L MapInfo 7.8....OK confuse me more!!!
>> And not to get too freaked out by the "rumor" mill, having two versions of MapInfo >> Pro, one for 32 with MapBasic and the other for NET, seems a bit worrisome and >> would suggest a doubling of the development effort? I also heard this "rumor" at the Danish User Conference so I guess it's kind of true. I guess the reason why they want to do it this way is to be really sure that things are working as they are susposed to. Remember that even thought we are talking .NET and internet developement, MapInfo Pro still is the product providing MapInfo Corp with lots of money. I'm kind of relieved that they don't shift over night. In this way we'll have some time to do some testing of our existing MapBasic applications to make sure they'll run on the .NET version, and it'll also mean that if the first 1 or 2 version sof the .NET isn't as good as the win32, we can just choose to stay with the win32 version. As for the development effort you'll have to rememmber that the .NET code will be the same for mapXtreme as well as MapInfo Pro, or at least the unlying kernel/mapping engine. Peter Horsbøll Møller GIS Developer Geographical Information & IT COWI A/S Odensevej 95 DK-5260 Odense S. Denmark Tel +45 6311 4900 Direct +45 6311 4908 Mob +45 5156 1045 Fax +45 6311 4949 E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cowi.dk/gis -Original Message- From: Neil Havermale [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 11:18 PM To: MapInfo-L Subject: FW: MI-L MapInfo 7.8OK confuse me more!!! -Original Message- From: Neil Havermale Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 7:07 AM To: 'Tom Thomson' Subject: RE: MI-L MapInfo 7.8OK confuse me more!!! As far as the "succinct" explanation, I would suggest you are watching one develop. On the Delphi thing, the limited understanding that I have on the potential for .NET is that it will be far better in the management of legacy .NET code meaning that issues of drivers and libraries that shift in significant ways through time to cause problems when installed over each other (like under the 32 design), will be fully managed by .NET protocols? I have a question for the ESRI ArcGIS developers. My understanding is that ESRI may have a unique version of VB for ArcGIS work? Also are the ESRI 8 and 9 platforms a so called "XP Certified" product? I notice that the pending 7.8 MapInfo Pro is "XP Certified". As to if it will make the same for MIP 8 and above I don't know but I would be interested to know if it really makes much of any difference. I notice that the current MapXtream.NET version may be a tad unstable for say Delphi just for this reason? And not to get too freaked out by the "rumor" mill, having two versions of MapInfo Pro, one for 32 with MapBasic and the other for NET, seems a bit worrisome and would suggest a doubling of the development effort? MidNight Mapper Aka neil -Original Message- From: Tom Thomson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 6:53 AM To: MapInfo-L Subject: RE: MI-L MapInfo 7.8OK confuse me more!!! Hello List This NET vs Windows conversation leaves me somewhat confused. I am still using MI5.0 so you see the reason!! I have been thinking of upgrading but 5.0 has worked along with all the addins and tricks and special pixie dust to make things work. But now I see that I spend more time doing things the hard way ..like having to convert SHP to TAB instead of opening them direct. So I see the advantage of an upgrade but what is the advantage to me of waiting for NET version??? My calloused forehead thinks that NET applications run on the web and I will have to have hi-speed internet to use them. Lose control of owning a program and other problems. Where is a succinct explanation about NET applications and how they would impact applications and their use. Thanks..tom == Tom ThomsonNorthwest Agricultural Consulting 1275 Oak Villa Road[EMAIL PROTECTED] Dallas, Oregon 97338 Phone/FAX 503-623-0468 "The only difference between a problem and a solution is that everyone understands the solution."Charles Kettering === - List hosting provided by Directions Magazine | www.directionsmag.com | To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message number: 13323 - List hosting provided by Directions Magazine | www.directionsmag.com | To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message number: 13330 - List hosting provided by Directions Magazine | www.dire
RE: MI-L MapBasic vs VisualStudio .NET ... MapXtreme 2004
Interesting thread. Let me try and squash a few misconceptions. I don't think there is such a thing as .NET compatible and I am not sure what that would mean.Here's what I can tell you. MapXtreme 2004 has an entirely .NET, object model and interface that is fully compliant with the specifications of .NET. There is no reason why any .NET language compiler could not compile code to work with our assemblies. Each of our Assemblies is tagged with an attribute declaring CLS (Common Language Specification) compliance. When you do this and compile your assembly, the build will fail if the compiler/linker finds anything in the public API that cannot be called from a conformant language. For example, VB is case insensitive so that 'Polygon' and 'POLYGON' are the same thing to VB even though they are acceptable to C#, C++ and other languages. If you did this in your code and declared CLS compliance, your build would fail. It is true that we have only tested against VB.NET and C#. These are the most popular .NET languages at this stage. However, C++ and J# are also well used. As other languages get more use, we may need to test against them as well. We have every belief that MapXtreme can be used by any CLS compiler. Our implementation does include quite a bit of native code (x86 not MSIL which is Microsoft Intermediate Language) that is called by our MSIL code to do a large part of the work. Not only do we get some well known performance from this but that code is well tested and used. Interacting with Native X-86 (or 64 bit arch) code like this is totally acceptable and common at this stage in .NET. The .NET platform itself relies heavily on Windows code for many things. In fact, the CLR (Common Language Runtime) is itself a COM object. We are looking into the pros and cons of moving more code to MSIL. There are a number of internal benefits that we would get. We also might lose some performance so we will take our time to do this right. However, none of this changes the external interface and the ability to use MapXtreme from any other .NET code. The "unsafe" moniker is correct. To mark your assemblies as "safe" you have to have all MSIL code and there are even restrictions on that as well. The unsafe/safe moniker is a statement of whether the code, by being entirely compiled into native code by the runtime, is known to be safe from rogue pointers and possible memory corruption in your process. Any code (including all of Windows, for example) is not "safe" is this regard as there is no way the .NET runtime can guarantee such a thing on code it did not compile. I would not expect all of MapXtreme to be "safe" for quite sometime. We would have to get rid of all our native code including such things as our public Raster handler and Grid handler specifications. We would have to rely entirely on garbage collected objects. Indeed, the use of ODBC or OCI would not be "safe". Having assemblies like this is more often referred to as having "fully verifiable" code. I expect that you will see much more growth in our MSIL code base than our native code, however. I know nothing about Delphi's latest releases and their .NET work. I see from their site that they have release version 8 for .NET. Someone mentioned it will not work with MapXtreme. Are they sure? What is the problem? If it can't then I would be suspicious of the robustness of their deliverable. There was nothing in their FAQ which would make me think it would not work. In addition to the core body of code, a deliverable such as MapXtreme includes much more. So, for example, we are working hard on constantly improving our integration with Visual Studio and its visual designers. It is very possible that Borland's IDE will not support such things because it is using the .NET SDK not a Visual Studio SDK. But I can't tell at this point. It would seem to me that Borland will have to stay as compatible as possible to stay in the game. I wish them luck as competition is good. So, with any luck, you should be able to use MapXtreme technology from Delphi. How well integrated it will be another question. Now that I have said all this I wonder if there might just be some install issues. Keep the information coming. Eric Blasenheim Software Architect MapInfo Corporation Mail List: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: on 09/15/2004 09:09 AM ZE12 To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cc: "MapInfo-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: MI-L MapBasic vs VisualStudio .NET ... MapXtreme 2004 Because of the way Map
RE: MI-L MapBasic vs VisualStudio .NET ... MapXtreme 2004
It's gratifying to see some accurate info about .NET being presented by Eric Blasenheim, and I'm sure his comments about MapInfo's conversion to the platform / framework will be well received. Something that has been discussed (well, more along the lines of conjecture really) is how the MapBasic language and the MBX package will fit into the .NET versions of MapInfo Professional and MapXtreme 2004. Personally, I find .NET amazingly rich and powerful compared with Win32 programming, and (while I appreciate that MI will continue to use existing "Win32" components) it's my guess and hope that the "new" geometry language for MapInfo products will be light years ahead in its ease of use, compared with the arcane MB. I guess it's the transition from the weirdness of MB to the facility of the "new" geometry language that worries people. Ian Thomas GeoSciSoft - Perth, Australia > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, 15 September 2004 11:00 AM > To: Ian Tidy > Cc: MapInfo-L; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: MI-L MapBasic vs VisualStudio .NET ... MapXtreme 2004 > > Interesting thread. Let me try and squash a few misconceptions. > (BIG SNIP) > > Keep the information coming. > > Eric Blasenheim > Software Architect > MapInfo Corporation (EVEN BIGGER SNIP) - List hosting provided by Directions Magazine | www.directionsmag.com | To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message number: 1
RE: MI-L MapBasic vs VisualStudio .NET ... MapXtreme 2004
Up the learning curve... without cramps? I have a follow-on question. From our software engineers I have been told that there may be some sort of intermediate step that essentially puts a .NET-wrapper around WIN32 code permitting such legacy code to be used in the NET environments? Is this a safe and reliable "first move" for legacy code or is this more like buying re-treaded tires? They look great on the rack, have a low cost, but tend to fly apart under stress and fast speeds. MidNight Mapper Aka neil -Original Message- From: SCISOFT [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 1:26 PM To: 'MapInfo-L' Subject: RE: MI-L MapBasic vs VisualStudio .NET ... MapXtreme 2004 It's gratifying to see some accurate info about .NET being presented by Eric Blasenheim, and I'm sure his comments about MapInfo's conversion to the platform / framework will be well received. Something that has been discussed (well, more along the lines of conjecture really) is how the MapBasic language and the MBX package will fit into the .NET versions of MapInfo Professional and MapXtreme 2004. Personally, I find .NET amazingly rich and powerful compared with Win32 programming, and (while I appreciate that MI will continue to use existing "Win32" components) it's my guess and hope that the "new" geometry language for MapInfo products will be light years ahead in its ease of use, compared with the arcane MB. I guess it's the transition from the weirdness of MB to the facility of the "new" geometry language that worries people. Ian Thomas GeoSciSoft - Perth, Australia > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, 15 September 2004 11:00 AM > To: Ian Tidy > Cc: MapInfo-L; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: MI-L MapBasic vs VisualStudio .NET ... MapXtreme 2004 > > Interesting thread. Let me try and squash a few misconceptions. > (BIG SNIP) > > Keep the information coming. > > Eric Blasenheim > Software Architect > MapInfo Corporation (EVEN BIGGER SNIP) - List hosting provided by Directions Magazine | www.directionsmag.com | To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message number: 1 - List hosting provided by Directions Magazine | www.directionsmag.com | To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message number: 13334
RE: MI-L MapBasic vs VisualStudio .NET ... MapXtreme 2004
Neil It's standard practise, and as Eric Blasenheim says it's used by Microsoft within their own systems, anyway. This is the "unsafeness" issue, really - I guess that the way I would look at it is that .NET offers a degree of "protection" from (non-MapInfo) programming that inadvertently stuffs up its own internal operations and doesn't conform to what the Windows platform expects, that we haven't seen before. What's great about actually writing stuff in the .NET environment (and particularly Visual Studio) is that it's smart enough to catch your goofs at that stage. Even runtime errors seems to exit "gracefully". I'm using a different GIS (as well as MapInfo) called Manifold, which is written in and runs under .NET, and has well-integrated multiple language support. That means that very simple "scripts" - like Excel macros, really - can be written and are stored with other Manifold "components" (like layers, layouts, legends, data tables, etc) within its single "project" package file. These scripts can be in VBScript or VB.NET or C# or JScript. Also, you can write external applications in a supported language (under Win32 or .NET) which instructs Manifold to do GIS stuff, and these can run either entirely outside or can be like MapInfo's MBX running as tools or menu options. The languages include all the usual Win32 and .NET variants, as well as Python and R and a few more (I think). Ian Thomas GeoSciSoft - Perth, Australia > -Original Message- > From: Neil Havermale [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, 15 September 2004 11:48 AM > To: SCISOFT; 'MapInfo-L' > Subject: RE: MI-L MapBasic vs VisualStudio .NET ... MapXtreme 2004 > > Up the learning curve... without cramps? I have a follow-on question. > From > our software engineers I have been told that there may be some sort of > intermediate step that essentially puts a .NET-wrapper around WIN32 code > permitting such legacy code to be used in the NET environments? Is this a > safe and reliable "first move" for legacy code or is this more like buying > re-treaded tires? They look great on the rack, have a low cost, but tend > to > fly apart under stress and fast speeds. > > MidNight Mapper > Aka neil > > -Original Message- > From: SCISOFT [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 1:26 PM > To: 'MapInfo-L' > Subject: RE: MI-L MapBasic vs VisualStudio .NET ... MapXtreme 2004 > > It's gratifying to see some accurate info about .NET being presented by > Eric > Blasenheim, and I'm sure his comments about MapInfo's conversion to the > platform / framework will be well received. > > Something that has been discussed (well, more along the lines of > conjecture > really) is how the MapBasic language and the MBX package will fit into the > .NET versions of MapInfo Professional and MapXtreme 2004. > > Personally, I find .NET amazingly rich and powerful compared with Win32 > programming, and (while I appreciate that MI will continue to use existing > "Win32" components) it's my guess and hope that the "new" geometry > language > for MapInfo products will be light years ahead in its ease of use, > compared > with the arcane MB. > > I guess it's the transition from the weirdness of MB to the facility of > the > "new" geometry language that worries people. > > Ian Thomas > GeoSciSoft - Perth, Australia > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Wednesday, 15 September 2004 11:00 AM > > To: Ian Tidy > > Cc: MapInfo-L; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: RE: MI-L MapBasic vs VisualStudio .NET ... MapXtreme 2004 > > > > Interesting thread. Let me try and squash a few misconceptions. > > > (BIG SNIP) > > > > Keep the information coming. > > > > Eric Blasenheim > > Software Architect > > MapInfo Corporation > > (EVEN BIGGER SNIP) > > > > - > List hosting provided by Directions Magazine | www.directionsmag.com | > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Message number: 1 - List hosting provided by Directions Magazine | www.directionsmag.com | To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message number: 13335
Re: MI-L MapBasic vs VisualStudio .NET
I believe the next version of the Microsoft development platform will be named ToeTheLine.TRAP Great List and discussion. Jon Gramm
RE: MI-L MapBasic vs VisualStudio .NET ... MapXtreme 2004
You are correct, Neil. You can do it, but look carefully first. You can "wrap" old style COM code in a .NET wrapper. This is what ESRI has had to do with ArcObjects, for example. The wrapper can be more or less "thick". ESRI has made their wrapper as thick as they can, as there is a performance hit every time you cross the .NET -> COM boundary; thus they don't want you to have to make a zillion calls to COM objects. If I were them, I'd be REALLY P.O. ed, having just made a (several million dollar?) investment in a complete re-write to COM, when MSoft announced .NET... On the other hand, you need to think carefully about what you're trying to do. While you Could use an ActiveX GUI control in .NET, it's ugly and it's mother dresses it funny. It's better to convert to a fully native .NET equivalent. On the other hand, I think that what Eric B. describes as their approach -- re-using a lot of back-end, non-visual code might make a lot of sense so long as you don't have to jump that fence very often (as measured in computer, not human, time). On the other other hand, our considered opinion is that in general you shouldn't be thinking about converting COM (e.g., VB code) to .NET; you should be thinking re-architect and re-write. You COULD do it; you just get so much better results if you go with the flow and do truly native .NET. -Original Message- From: Neil Havermale [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 8:48 PM To: SCISOFT; 'MapInfo-L' Subject: RE: MI-L MapBasic vs VisualStudio .NET ... MapXtreme 2004 Up the learning curve... without cramps? I have a follow-on question. From our software engineers I have been told that there may be some sort of intermediate step that essentially puts a .NET-wrapper around WIN32 code permitting such legacy code to be used in the NET environments? Is this a safe and reliable "first move" for legacy code or is this more like buying re-treaded tires? They look great on the rack, have a low cost, but tend to fly apart under stress and fast speeds. MidNight Mapper Aka neil -Original Message- From: SCISOFT [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 1:26 PM To: 'MapInfo-L' Subject: RE: MI-L MapBasic vs VisualStudio .NET ... MapXtreme 2004 It's gratifying to see some accurate info about .NET being presented by Eric Blasenheim, and I'm sure his comments about MapInfo's conversion to the platform / framework will be well received. Something that has been discussed (well, more along the lines of conjecture really) is how the MapBasic language and the MBX package will fit into the .NET versions of MapInfo Professional and MapXtreme 2004. Personally, I find .NET amazingly rich and powerful compared with Win32 programming, and (while I appreciate that MI will continue to use existing "Win32" components) it's my guess and hope that the "new" geometry language for MapInfo products will be light years ahead in its ease of use, compared with the arcane MB. I guess it's the transition from the weirdness of MB to the facility of the "new" geometry language that worries people. Ian Thomas GeoSciSoft - Perth, Australia > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, 15 September 2004 11:00 AM > To: Ian Tidy > Cc: MapInfo-L; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: MI-L MapBasic vs VisualStudio .NET ... MapXtreme 2004 > > Interesting thread. Let me try and squash a few misconceptions. > (BIG SNIP) > > Keep the information coming. > > Eric Blasenheim > Software Architect > MapInfo Corporation (EVEN BIGGER SNIP) - List hosting provided by Directions Magazine | www.directionsmag.com | To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message number: 1 - List hosting provided by Directions Magazine | www.directionsmag.com | To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message number: 13334 - List hosting provided by Directions Magazine | www.directionsmag.com | To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message number: 13337
