Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Glyn Moody's article
Hi :) At one place i work, a charity, they have been able to buy legit copies of MSO 2010 for £20 rather than the usual approx £100. Word is unable to handle making the Newsletter and LibreOffice can do it with much more finesse but even though i have installed LibreOffice on their machines they prefer to work with Word and it's glossy new ribbon. On the older machines MSO 2007 was desperately slow. Opening a document requires taking a tea-break or falling asleep. LibreOffice just opens stuff before even drumming fingers once. They seem to think that if the proper price is £100 than it must be a lot better than something that is free despite the evidence. Regards from Tom :) --- On Wed, 19/10/11, webmaster for Kracked Press Productions webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote: From: webmaster for Kracked Press Productions webmas...@krackedpress.com Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Glyn Moody's article To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org Date: Wednesday, 19 October, 2011, 1:11 There is only one person that I know/met/talked-with locally, for sure that uses Linux and it is maybe 3 for Mac. Everyone else is a Windows person. Every one of them that I have a relationship with, I have done my best to get them to try LO. Only one I did not push, since he had several large personal Access databases built with MSO 97. [Pentium II computer] When I gave him a free P-III computer, I had to find a copy of MSO, since he lost his copy I gave him all those years ago, since I went to MSO 2003. He just could not deal with using LO for his database files, for now. When I find him a free P-4 machine with enough spare drive space, I will have both MSO and LO on that system for him to use. So, he is the only one of all the Windows users that told me that they would not give LO [OOo before January] a try. Many of these people have dumped MSO entirely, while others use MSO when OOo/LO does not work properly for them, and only a few are only using MSO at this time. So I know if we can get the software in their hands, install it for them if we must, they will give it a try. I just wish I could get the local schools to include LO, but they have these big budget MSO contracts that they cannot get out of. Also since everyone is using MSO then they have to teach on that package. Well the parents, students, and anyone else who has to buy MSO at their high prices [who do not need to deal with Access] would be happy to find a package that does what they need and saves the files in MSO file formats for the teachers, that is free and is becoming better and better every few months. The problem is how to get the word out to the masses. With my stroked-out brain, I am not a public speaker. If I was, I would hire the lecture hall at the main branch of the Library system to do a demonstration of LO and hand out free copies. Then have an ad in every library board and every free posting place [respectable ones] to give the date, time, etc.. The problem is I am no longer able to talk my talk anymore. I could barely do it before my last stroke, and I did one on Web page creation for personal use. I sure could use some ideas to get the local users of MSO to know about our free alternative. On 10/18/2011 06:03 PM, Italo Vignoli wrote: On 10/18/11 6:51 PM, webmaster for Kracked Press Productions wrote: For Windows users, we need to find some way to get into shows and such to convince these users to use LO. If we can somehow get some of these Tech magazines to include LO in one of their included CD/DVD of software that seems to come out every so often, we might pick up a few [or many] users. We already reach covermount CDs in several countries, and we should add editors in all countries. People can help in building a mailing list by sending us email address of editorial staff of magazines with a CD (the address is usually printed somewhere on the editorial staff page). It would be nice if we somehow could get some banner ad time on Google, or other place that people go to often. I do not deal with the social networks, but there has to be some way we can get the word out to the Windows users. Addressing Windows users take more time than Linux and MacOS. Downloads are slowly increasing, and this show the increasing interest of users. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more:
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Glyn Moody's article
An small addition I would like to make. Libreoffice needs some way of easy updating for Windows users, because users of this OS tend to do very bad maintaining of the software. The lack of a standarized packaging management system makes this a lot more sensitive than other platforms. I don't understand about Mac platforms or others, but probably some of them have similar issues. Apple's App Store can solve it, but I suspect they are going to ban competition of FOSS software versus their software (VLC is an example of this). Microsoft is doing the same for the app store of Windows Phone too as they explicitly banned the GPLv3 license. If users are motivated to use an up to date Libreoffice when having Internet connection, this would make new features and improvements more spreaded. Of course this is an issue on computers without Internet. So this gives us to another related topic The Document Foundation must be very smartly strategic at it: Propietary software platforms are getting less free and more controlled in an orwellian style. The future is forbidding the installation of software by users and limit the contents by using strong DRM related to Trusted Computing stuff. On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 8:29 AM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) At one place i work, a charity, they have been able to buy legit copies of MSO 2010 for £20 rather than the usual approx £100. Word is unable to handle making the Newsletter and LibreOffice can do it with much more finesse but even though i have installed LibreOffice on their machines they prefer to work with Word and it's glossy new ribbon. On the older machines MSO 2007 was desperately slow. Opening a document requires taking a tea-break or falling asleep. LibreOffice just opens stuff before even drumming fingers once. They seem to think that if the proper price is £100 than it must be a lot better than something that is free despite the evidence. Regards from Tom :) --- On Wed, 19/10/11, webmaster for Kracked Press Productions webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote: From: webmaster for Kracked Press Productions webmas...@krackedpress.com Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Glyn Moody's article To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org Date: Wednesday, 19 October, 2011, 1:11 There is only one person that I know/met/talked-with locally, for sure that uses Linux and it is maybe 3 for Mac. Everyone else is a Windows person. Every one of them that I have a relationship with, I have done my best to get them to try LO. Only one I did not push, since he had several large personal Access databases built with MSO 97. [Pentium II computer] When I gave him a free P-III computer, I had to find a copy of MSO, since he lost his copy I gave him all those years ago, since I went to MSO 2003. He just could not deal with using LO for his database files, for now. When I find him a free P-4 machine with enough spare drive space, I will have both MSO and LO on that system for him to use. So, he is the only one of all the Windows users that told me that they would not give LO [OOo before January] a try. Many of these people have dumped MSO entirely, while others use MSO when OOo/LO does not work properly for them, and only a few are only using MSO at this time. So I know if we can get the software in their hands, install it for them if we must, they will give it a try. I just wish I could get the local schools to include LO, but they have these big budget MSO contracts that they cannot get out of. Also since everyone is using MSO then they have to teach on that package. Well the parents, students, and anyone else who has to buy MSO at their high prices [who do not need to deal with Access] would be happy to find a package that does what they need and saves the files in MSO file formats for the teachers, that is free and is becoming better and better every few months. The problem is how to get the word out to the masses. With my stroked-out brain, I am not a public speaker. If I was, I would hire the lecture hall at the main branch of the Library system to do a demonstration of LO and hand out free copies. Then have an ad in every library board and every free posting place [respectable ones] to give the date, time, etc.. The problem is I am no longer able to talk my talk anymore. I could barely do it before my last stroke, and I did one on Web page creation for personal use. I sure could use some ideas to get the local users of MSO to know about our free alternative. On 10/18/2011 06:03 PM, Italo Vignoli wrote: On 10/18/11 6:51 PM, webmaster for Kracked Press Productions wrote: For Windows users, we need to find some way to get into shows and such to convince these users to use LO. If we can somehow get some of these Tech magazines to include LO in one of their included CD/DVD of software that seems to come out every so often, we might pick up a few [or many] users.
[libreoffice-marketing] Re: What about Real-time collaborative editing (RTCE) in LibreOffice? A simple user POW proposal
Hi, there is good news: OASIS has already real-time collaborative editing (RTCE) in the pipeline. Last year a sub-committee Advanced Document Collaboration was founded within OASIS. The lesser good news is that the SC is currently struggling to find the optimal solution. Yesterday, I wrote a status summary http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/office-collab/201110/msg8.html to the SC mailing list and a proposal for change-tracking focusing compatibility with collaboration will follow. If you are curious on details, just follow the links from the link above.. The protocol to be used will be not be part in the first step, as it is a different layer, but I would consider working systems as http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activity_sharing part of the 100$ laptop (or laptop for every child) campaign, see http://sugarlabs.org Regards, Svante *From: *timofonic timofonic timofo...@gmail.com mailto:timofo...@gmail.com *Date: *17 October 2011 00:24:59 GMT+01:00 *To: *marketing@global.libreoffice.org mailto:marketing@global.libreoffice.org *Subject: **Re: [libreoffice-marketing] What about Real-time collaborative editing (RTCE) in LibreOffice? A simple user POW proposal* *Reply-To: *marketing@global.libreoffice.org mailto:marketing@global.libreoffice.org Hello. It's just an idea I want to promote, because I think it can be more interesting than some people think. Anyone can foorward the idea I expressed to anyone that can help to make it reality, I just want to become reality as an user of Libreoffice and other text editors. OASIS seems a good candidate for this, even other office suites or advanced text editors. The point of RTCE is not just for office applications, but any text editor targeted at not just very simple functionality. So this can be a wide standard in terms of possible adoption, and maybe even add interoperability with online projects like EtherPad. Regards. On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 9:51 PM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk mailto:tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) I think it might be good to forward this to OASIS. THey already have collaboration between various projects to produce OpenDocument Format specifications. I think that is part of what is being called for here? A specification that can be shared by the various existing OpenSource office applications? Regards from Tom :) --- On Fri, 14/10/11, timofonic timofonic timofo...@gmail.com mailto:timofo...@gmail.com wrote: From: timofonic timofonic timofo...@gmail.com mailto:timofo...@gmail.com Subject: [libreoffice-marketing] What about Real-time collaborative editing (RTCE) in LibreOffice? A simple user POW proposal To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org mailto:marketing@global.libreoffice.org Date: Friday, 14 October, 2011, 16:04 Hello to everyone. I'm just an user of LibreOffice, no developer at all. But I think maybe this can be an interesting discussion with the more skilled people involved into the project. Since the apparition of SubEthaEdit for Macs, the real-time collaborative editing (from now on referred as RTCE) started to rise from these days. The Web 2.0 phonomenom made RTCE even more known with Writely and EtherPad, then Google bought both (but EhterPad now remains as a FOSS project) to integrate resources to the Google Docs online Office suite. There are editors that already support RTCE, like AbiWord (by using AbiCollab extension), ACE, Emacs (by extensions like Rudel or others) and Gobby. Unfortunately there aren't a strong open standard protocol shared among them, so interoperability is a big issue there. RTCE is something thinked before in OpenOffice and seems also taken in account in LibreOffice as future ideas to develop, but the approach and ideas behind it were primitive or their importance is still not enough considered. http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Crazy_Ideas#Simple_server-based_collaborative_editing There's an open RTCE protocol named Infinote ( http://infinote.org ), a redesign of the Obby protocol that is part of Gobby and implemented in libinfinity. There's a server implementation named Infinoted and the protocol is already user by some third party applications but the popularity is quite low at this moment. There's jarn.xmpp.collaboration (http://pypi.python.org/pypi/jarn.xmpp.collaboration), a XMPP protocol extension targeted at RTCE. The protocol is still quite young, but still actively developed. The use of an open protocol standard would not just help interoperability between different projects, but also improve the protocol for being more flexible and powerful over time in the same way of ODF. While interoperability with existing projects is very cool and nice, this isn't going to resolve the issue in the long term. Those projects will stay incompatible between them, and each new project may choose a new protocol that LibreOffice developers would need to implement it.
[libreoffice-marketing] Re: Clippings
Le 2011-10-18 17:48, Italo Vignoli a écrit : We have had a really good coverage, and these are the most important articles (including WSJ Europe). http://www.zdnet.com/news/libreoffice-expands-users-and-reach/6316162 http://www.muktware.com/news/2698 http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2117661/libreoffice-coming-android-ios-eventually http://www.zdnet.co.uk/news/web-apps/2011/10/17/libreoffice-heads-for-the-web-and-mobile-40094201/ http://blogs.wsj.com/tech-europe/2011/10/17/ms-office-open-source-rival-develops-for-android-ios-and-web/ http://www.thinq.co.uk/2011/10/17/libreoffice-ported-ios-android-web-browsers/ http://www.i-programmer.info/news/136-open-source/3202-libreoffice-online.html http://www.cmswire.com/cms/document-management/libreoffice-unveils-online-prototype-plans-android-ios-ports-013073.php http://www.eweekeurope.co.uk/comment/the-cloud%E2%80%99s-not-the-limit-for-libreoffice-42657 Nice list Italo, thanks! Yes, good coverage all-round. It would also be nice if someone, who attended the conference, could post a short article on the http://opendocument.xml.org/ site. It would give us a little more presence on the Oasis site. Cheers Marc -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] MS plans to force OEMs to add boot feature that blocks use of Linux and free software.
Please read the linked article. [below] If Microsoft gets away with this, then no computer that has a Windows 8 logo on it will not be able to boot from free OSs like Linux. This will be part of the BIOS. You might not be able to run free software like LibreOffice, if it goes to the extreme end. To me, if MS get away with forcing OEMs to make it so their systems cannot run Linux, then it is another anti-trust violation for MS. Billy boy is going back to court about unfair practices from the 90's, so if people do not step up now to convince OEMs that we will not buy their products if they implement the free OS and software blocker at the BOOT LEVEL, then we cannot buy any new computers for Linux. http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/free-software-foundation-urges-oems-to-say-no-to-mandatory-windows-8-uefi-cage/9770?alertspromo=tag=nl.rSINGLE http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/free-software-foundation-urges-oems-to-say-no-to-mandatory-windows-8-uefi-cage/9770?alertspromo=tag=nl.rSINGLE Free Software Foundation urges OEMs to say no to mandatory Windows 8 UEFI cage By Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols | October 18, 2011, 1:26pm PDT Summary: The Free Software Foundation is asking OEMs to give users a choice on Microsoft anti-Linux Windows 8's United Extensive Firmware security feature. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Extremadura Regional Government in Spain
Great news, It would be good to know what are they putting in Linex. Tom do you have any info of the content? Peter - Eredeti üzenet - Feladó: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Címzett: marketing@global.libreoffice.org Elküldött üzenetek: Kedd, 2011 Október 18 15:20:29 Tárgy: [libreoffice-marketing] Extremadura Regional Government in Spain Hi :) The Extremadura Regional Government in Spain have just announced a new release of their distro, LinEx, designed for deployment in government offices and educational institutions in the province. By using a modified Debian distribution, the Extremadura Regional Government has benefited from the fact that there is a large amount of varied software for it. I got the announcement at DistroWatch where it is still on their front-page http://distrowatch.com/ and the specifically LinEx page tells us that LibreOffice is their default Office Suite now. http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=linex I'm not sure how widely used it is even in the State/Province. I think the Spanish government is split into 5(?) States/Provinces in much the same way as the US. In England we only have 1 although i guess Wales, Scotland and Ireland have kinda sub-governments with limited powers which is an improvement on the way it used to be (imo) when they had none but it could still be improved (unless you prefer centralisation, of course, but that's not really an argument for these lists). Anyway, it's great to see at least 1 of the Provinces/States of Spain using LibreOffice :) Regards from Tom :) -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] MS plans to force OEMs to add boot feature that blocks use of Linux and free software.
On 19 October 2011 16:59, webmaster for Kracked Press Productions webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote: Please read the linked article. [below] If Microsoft gets away with this, then no computer that has a Windows 8 logo on it will not be able to boot from free OSs like Linux. This will be part of the BIOS. You might not be able to run free software like LibreOffice, if it goes to the extreme end. I should think that is illegal under competition law. To me, if MS get away with forcing OEMs to make it so their systems cannot run Linux, then it is another anti-trust violation for MS. Billy boy is going back to court about unfair practices from the 90's, so if people do not step up now to convince OEMs that we will not buy their products if they implement the free OS and software blocker at the BOOT LEVEL, then we cannot buy any new computers for Linux. We can buy new computers, just not those that come with Windows. Might even be an advantage since there will be a niche market in supplying hardware that is not restricted in that way. I might start a new business :-) http://www.zdnet.com/blog/**open-source/free-software-** foundation-urges-oems-to-say-**no-to-mandatory-windows-8-** uefi-cage/9770?alertspromo=**tag=nl.rSINGLEhttp://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/free-software-foundation-urges-oems-to-say-no-to-mandatory-windows-8-uefi-cage/9770?alertspromo=tag=nl.rSINGLE http://www.zdnet.com/blog/**open-source/free-software-** foundation-urges-oems-to-say-**no-to-mandatory-windows-8-** uefi-cage/9770?alertspromo=**tag=nl.rSINGLEhttp://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/free-software-foundation-urges-oems-to-say-no-to-mandatory-windows-8-uefi-cage/9770?alertspromo=tag=nl.rSINGLE Free Software Foundation urges OEMs to say no to mandatory Windows 8 UEFI cage By Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols | October 18, 2011, 1:26pm PDT Summary: The Free Software Foundation is asking OEMs to give users a choice on Microsoft anti-Linux Windows 8's United Extensive Firmware security feature. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+help@global.** libreoffice.org marketing%2bh...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/**get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-** unsubscribe/http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/** Netiquette http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.**libreoffice.org/global/**marketing/http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications (The Schools ITQ) www.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940 The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] MS plans to force OEMs to add boot feature that blocks use of Linux and free software.
I suspect the workarounds will include capturing all the needed keys, reflashing the bios/uefi chip, and installing what you want. It is a PITA, but not insurmountable. It will probably spur more open hardware, to the detriment of those determined to lock down the system. MS aside, uefi is a good idea. This particular implementation is not. On Oct 19, 2011 12:12 PM, Ian Lynch ianrly...@gmail.com wrote: On 19 October 2011 16:59, webmaster for Kracked Press Productions webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote: Please read the linked article. [below] If Microsoft get... I should think that is illegal under competition law. To me, if MS get away with forcing OEMs to make it so their systems cannot run Linux, then it is ... We can buy new computers, just not those that come with Windows. Might even be an advantage since there will be a niche market in supplying hardware that is not restricted in that way. I might start a new business :-) http://www.zdnet.com/blog/**open-source/free-software-** foundation-urges-oems-to-say-**no-to-mandatory-windows-8-** uefi-cage/9770?alertspromo=**tag=nl.rSINGLE http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/free-software-foundation-urges-oems-to-say-no-to-mandatory-windows-8-uefi-cage/9770?alertspromo=tag=nl.rSINGLE http://www.zdnet.com/blog/**open-source/free-software-** foundation-urges-oems-to-say-**no-to-mandatory-windows-8-** uefi-cage/9770?alertspromo=**tag=nl.rSINGLE http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/free-software-foundation-urges-oems-to-say-no-to-mandatory-windows-8-uefi-cage/9770?alertspromo=tag=nl.rSINGLE Free Software Foundation urges OEMs to say no to mandatory Windows 8 UEFI cage By Stev... Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+help@global.** libreoffice.org marketing%2bh...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/**get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-** unsubscribe/ http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/** Netiquette http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.**libreoffice.org/global/**marketing/ http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications (The Schools ITQ) www.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940 The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] MS plans to force OEMs to add boot feature that blocks use of Linux and free software.
In some related articles, experts looked at that is currently in the secure boot option and they have concern about what happens if MS controls the keys - like current plan - and hardware OEMs do not want to pay the bribe monies to MS to include their hardware in the accepted list. If you buy a new video card or a new SATA controller or drive that is not registered with MS, that expert[s] feel that the secure boot system will not allow the computer to boot at all. I still run across hardware that are not MS registered and I get nasty pop-ups warning me about installing the device and drivers since it is not MS approved. I still can install it, with hassle, but what will happen if I get this on a secure booted system. Sorry the company did not pay the bribe and so you cannot use it. Then there are the new stuff that comes out after the computer is built. Even if they register with MS, there is no way to allow the system to boot with that newer hardware without a firmware upgrade. I had one of those go bad with a router. I had to through it out since it would never work again. MS states it is up to the OEM computer builders and bios builders to allow the thing to be disables via a checkbox. It cost more to do that and since it has to be on or MS will not sell them their OS, some OEMs have stated that their current plan is not to have that option of disabling it. Cost less that way. Having something to stop those boot loader nasties is good, but if it prevents the good things from being able to work, then there is something wrong. There was a statement about why should MS with 99% of the share be required to allow the 1% to work on the computers that have their logo on. My feeling is that if this new security system prevents that 1% from working on legally bought systems that you want to add Linux onto it [dual boot or only boot] then there is some real bad legal issues again. In the USA less than 1% of us are handicapped, but until the law was created to protect our rights, we had no legal rights to be able to get into government buildings, or places to cast our votes. Our schools did not have to have wheelchair access, thus if you were in a wheelchair, you may not be able to get into the building or go to the floor where the class is held. It is against the law to deny the rights of a minority. Linux users are part of the OS minority. In the later 1880's to the 1930's and later, any Big business company that controlled a market and used that control to stop other businesses from being a part of that market, got chopped up. Big Standard Oil was chopped up, and much later ATT got chopped up into smaller companies - BY LAW. MS is in the same boat, but due to loopholes and big money to those with power in the government, MS was not required to be broken up. So they control 99% of the market [they say], and now that are telling the OEMs that if you want to sell your products in that market, you must do things our way. What is next? MS using their market control to tell other markets leaders that if you do not do it our way, we will make sure your company will not get our products ever again? MS controlled cars? MS controlled telecom? MS controlled Internet? Oh wait, Linux systems run the Internet. If MS is allowed to force OEMs to do it their way or not allowed to be in that market, then what else will they force on us down the line. I want my PC running Linux now. If I buy a system with Win 8 installed and decide that I would rather have Linux on that PC, then I legally have the right to have that option without MS telling me I cannot. MS is slowly loosing market shares in the PC market [non-Mac systems]. It is not much, but it is there. They are slowing loosing users to OOo and now LO. If they can make a hardware security system that stops Linux to work on those machine, will they be able to do the same for non-MS software, like LO and other open source software? What is stopping them? Not the law and our courts. Their fines are pocket money. Put MS leadership in jail for a few years, then maybe they will stop breaking our laws. On 10/19/2011 04:42 PM, Robert Ryley wrote: I suspect the workarounds will include capturing all the needed keys, reflashing the bios/uefi chip, and installing what you want. It is a PITA, but not insurmountable. It will probably spur more open hardware, to the detriment of those determined to lock down the system. MS aside, uefi is a good idea. This particular implementation is not. On Oct 19, 2011 12:12 PM, Ian Lynchianrly...@gmail.com wrote: On 19 October 2011 16:59, webmaster for Kracked Press Productions webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote: Please read the linked article. [below] If Microsoft get... I should think that is illegal under competition law. To me, if MS get away with forcing OEMs to make it so their systems cannot run Linux, then it is ... We can buy
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] MS plans to force OEMs to add boot feature that blocks use of Linux and free software.
Quote: If they can make a hardware security system that stops Linux to work on those machine, will they be able to do the same for non-MS software, like LO and other open source software? What is stopping them? Not the law and our courts. Their fines are pocket money. Put MS leadership in jail for a few years, then maybe they will stop breaking our laws. If you think the politicians or judges are going to protect you, I suggest you simply look at their acts to disabuse yourself of that notion. There is no doubt that the secure boot could be abused by MS. The feature itself, isn't really a bad idea. Trusted components should not be easy to modify, and will make it more difficult for malware writers and computer criminals to subvert systems. The key question to ask is Trusted by whom? Clearly, trusted by the owner/purchaser of the system, of course! But the big business types just don't see it that way. Fortunately as long as you have access to the hardware, there will always be work arounds. The UEFI is saved in a flash memory chip. It can be reprogrammed, with an open UEFI implementation that is more user friendly. I suspect this is what will ultimately happen, in the worst case scenario. Intel already has an open source UEFI project underway. How long do you think it would be before the code is modified to make setting up a dual boot system easier? Intel UEFI project http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/tianocore/index.php?title=Welcome -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
