[libreoffice-marketing] Re: Wikipedia editing.

2013-02-13 Thread Marc Paré

Le 2013-02-09 20:30, Dave Johnson a écrit :

FYI, I have full edit access on Wikipedia. I would be happy to edit the 
LibreOffice article.

Sent from my iPad.



It would be nice if a couple of the marketing team members could make it 
their task to watch over the LibreOffice Wikipedia page and become 
familiar enough with the page. This will make sure that there is no 
unnecessary tampering of the page as well as making sure that pertinent 
information is added to the page to keep it fresh.


Is there anyone on the list who would like to take this on?

Marc

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[libreoffice-marketing] [ACTION ITEM -- ADD TO WIKIPEDIA] Re: Wikipedia editing.

2013-02-13 Thread Marc Paré

Le 2013-02-12 12:15, Sophie Gautier a écrit :

Hi Jeff,
On 12/02/2013 18:11, Jeff Fortin wrote:



Thanks!
could you add the french government's 500K desktops as well? There are
many, many others as well.


LibreOffice, not OOo?
Well I'd need the exact sources to cite those... can you provide them?
(but then it might also be easier to add them directly yourself ;)


Here is the source of the LibreOffice certified version they are
delivering :
http://www.journal-officiel.gouv.fr/mimo/

Kind regards
Sophie





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[libreoffice-marketing] Re: (unknown)

2013-02-13 Thread Marc Paré

Le 2013-02-12 06:36, Charles-H. Schulz a écrit :

Italo, all,

I have about three interviews that are ready to be published from devs and 
localizers. I can starto to publish them as of today but if you have a better 
timing in mind please let me know.

Thanks,
Charles.


Seeing as you are having more success at this than I was, one suggestion 
is to keep going with our blog dev interviews. IMO, we get more exposure 
from this if we can keep posting one to two per week. If you approach 
the devs and can manage a steady stream of finished interviews, I can 
help with scheduling them for posting along a regular time cycle. We 
have approximately 500 devs.


For example we could designate the Wednesday and  Friday as a days 
of dev interview posts.


Maybe someone from the QA team (suggestions of Sophie/Joel) could 
approach the QA team members and take care of the interviews and I could 
also do the same for QA blog posts. We could for example designate 
Thursdays as QA interview blog posts.


I could take care of the Website team interviews and we could designate 
Tuesdays as Website interview blog-posts.


That would leave Design (VI,UX) and Docs, l10n and perhaps do some for 
nl group leads. We could also do or dare to include the Discussion team 
in this as well and pick out certain individuals whose contributions to 
that particular team is considered of high standard of participation.


This would make our blog even more attractive to read and for media 
dissemination. Having predictable days where certain interviews are done 
for certain groups, makes it appealing for those who are interested in 
specific groups.


Cheers,

Marc



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[libreoffice-marketing] Re: Fwd:

2013-02-13 Thread Marc Paré
I have sent a note to Drew about his email spamming the lists. I am sure 
he does not know about this.


Marc

Le 2013-02-12 15:57, Drew Jensen a écrit :

http://lasvegassuites.org/downrightawesome.com/nanw54.php?s=ot





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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] About Microsoft Office for Linux strong rumours and LibreOffice: What to fear about it?

2013-02-13 Thread Paolo Debortoli

Il 12/02/2013 16:20, timofonic timofonic ha scritto:

Hello.

As some of you probably know, there are rumours about Microsoft
porting Microsoft Office to Linux. While this may not happen, there's
the possibility this can someday happen.

What about if it happens? What are the advantages of LibreOffice vs
Microsoft Office? Despite being Free Software and at no cost (that's
relative, you would still require some customer support too), I wonder
about the rest of advantages LibreOffice have and if the weak points
are relevant to certain organizations (NGOs, companies, government
institutions...).

Regards.


http://www.datamation.com/applications/how-libreoffice-writer-tops-ms-word-12-features-1.html

there are some strong points and weak points...  costs of updates and 
interoperability  (using multiple formats on multiple platforms) are 
strong points, to say.


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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Brazilian LibreOffice Magazine released

2013-02-13 Thread Eliane Domingos de Sousa
Hi,

In fact, it's my dream! But I need volunteers to help us. Today, only me
and Vera are doing the diagramation. We have 3 volunteers to do the
review. 

My ideia when I share the project and the file ODG file is to stimulate
the others countries to create the magazine others languages and others
matters. 

About the language, we have the same problem, we have to translate all
the materials created in English for Portuguese. We need to translate
the software, the post of blogs and the manuals. We have very few
volunteers to help with translation.

I hope you don't be upset with me. If we had more volunteers helping, we
would certainly have an English version.

Best
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released
Data: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 09:27:16 -0500


On 02/13/2013 05:24 AM, Eliane Domingos de Sousa wrote:
 Dear Community,

 I'm proud to announce the third release of Brazilian LibreOffice
 Magazine.

 I wanna thanks all the collaborators, because without them, there is no
 magazine.

 The magazine is only in Portuguese, if you want to share our project,
 we'll be very happy.

 Download pdf file:
 http://dc671.4shared.com/download/k_TgxH8J/LM-ED03.pdf

 Download odg file:
 http://dc667.4shared.com/download/N_A-r9yI/LM-ED03.odg

 Thanks very much for give us the best free office.

 Best,

Is it possible that someone would make such a magazine in English?  It 
would be very usefulfor all of us who only speak/read English.

The design of the magazine is such that it would be a real asset to have 
a version in other languages.

I wonder if there are any people up to translating it.



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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Brazilian LibreOffice Magazine released

2013-02-13 Thread klaus-jürgen weghorn ol
Hi Eliane,
Am 13.02.2013 11:24, schrieb Eliane Domingos de Sousa:
 Dear Community,
 
 I'm proud to announce the third release of Brazilian LibreOffice
 Magazine. 

It looks great.

Some comments from me:
The whole magazine has only right pages. When I will print it as a
magazine it has wrong pages on the left site.

I have some bad feelings about the using of some pictures because of
licenses. Do we have the right to use all the pictures in a printing?
I don't know if it is an important point but I wouldn't use screenshots
with personas like the known prehistoric squirrel (page 12) or the
hearty dog (page 17) because of licenses. We should use only pictures
with an open license.

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[libreoffice-marketing] Re: Brazilian LibreOffice Magazine released

2013-02-13 Thread Marc Paré

Le 2013-02-13 09:57, Eliane Domingos de Sousa a écrit :

Hi,

In fact, it's my dream! But I need volunteers to help us. Today, only me
and Vera are doing the diagramation. We have 3 volunteers to do the
review.

My ideia when I share the project and the file ODG file is to stimulate
the others countries to create the magazine others languages and others
matters.

About the language, we have the same problem, we have to translate all
the materials created in English for Portuguese. We need to translate
the software, the post of blogs and the manuals. We have very few
volunteers to help with translation.

I hope you don't be upset with me. If we had more volunteers helping, we
would certainly have an English version.

Best


This item comes up every 6 months or so.

We put together a team, but, it gets stalled every time we tried to get 
it off the ground. You can find the link, of course, on our marketing 
wiki page in the Generic Stuff section[1] and the team members of 
LibreOffice Magazine International have all signed up. It has been a 
while, so all of the participants would have to be re-contacted to 
verify their involvement.


We would need mentorship from the BR-Pt team to help set up the 
structure and guide us with the ins/outs of using Draw. The commitment, 
is the same as the BR-PT team, the magazine must use LibreOffice as its 
publication tool.


I had put my name down as a helper, but as in all thing, we would need a 
strong commitment from at least a couple of individuals who would work 
at it consistently in order to publish the magazine on a regular basis.


Should we try again?

Anyone saying yes to this should commit to working on the magazine! It 
is easy to give a +1 / Yes and whatever, but we need people to help and 
contribute rather than keep suggesting and then back away and watch the 
discussions fizzle and die!


Marc

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[libreoffice-marketing] Re: Brazilian LibreOffice Magazine released

2013-02-13 Thread Marc Paré

Le 2013-02-13 05:24, Eliane Domingos de Sousa a écrit :

Dear Community,

I'm proud to announce the third release of Brazilian LibreOffice
Magazine.

I wanna thanks all the collaborators, because without them, there is no
magazine.

The magazine is only in Portuguese, if you want to share our project,
we'll be very happy.

Download pdf file:
http://dc671.4shared.com/download/k_TgxH8J/LM-ED03.pdf

Download odg file:
http://dc667.4shared.com/download/N_A-r9yI/LM-ED03.odg

Thanks very much for give us the best free office.

Best,


Once again! The PT-BR constantly amaze us with your contributions to the 
LibreOffice project. Many thanks and congrats to the magazine team! I 
actually downloaded the .odg file and read it this way.


It is amazing what you can do with Draw and how much of a professional 
output it gives!


Wonderful and thanks again for the great magazine!

Cheers,

Marc


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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Brazilian LibreOffice Magazine released

2013-02-13 Thread Eliane Domingos de Sousa
Hi Marc,

Well, I think we need to try.

I'll write the instructions and post in the wiki. I need time for that.
I think I can do that until March 01.

Best
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Brasil:http://ask.libreoffice.org/pt-br/questions 

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released
Data: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 11:04:13 -0500


Le 2013-02-13 09:57, Eliane Domingos de Sousa a écrit :
 Hi,

 In fact, it's my dream! But I need volunteers to help us. Today, only me
 and Vera are doing the diagramation. We have 3 volunteers to do the
 review.

 My ideia when I share the project and the file ODG file is to stimulate
 the others countries to create the magazine others languages and others
 matters.

 About the language, we have the same problem, we have to translate all
 the materials created in English for Portuguese. We need to translate
 the software, the post of blogs and the manuals. We have very few
 volunteers to help with translation.

 I hope you don't be upset with me. If we had more volunteers helping, we
 would certainly have an English version.

 Best

This item comes up every 6 months or so.

We put together a team, but, it gets stalled every time we tried to get 
it off the ground. You can find the link, of course, on our marketing 
wiki page in the Generic Stuff section[1] and the team members of 
LibreOffice Magazine International have all signed up. It has been a 
while, so all of the participants would have to be re-contacted to 
verify their involvement.

We would need mentorship from the BR-Pt team to help set up the 
structure and guide us with the ins/outs of using Draw. The commitment, 
is the same as the BR-PT team, the magazine must use LibreOffice as its 
publication tool.

I had put my name down as a helper, but as in all thing, we would need a 
strong commitment from at least a couple of individuals who would work 
at it consistently in order to publish the magazine on a regular basis.

Should we try again?

Anyone saying yes to this should commit to working on the magazine! It 
is easy to give a +1 / Yes and whatever, but we need people to help and 
contribute rather than keep suggesting and then back away and watch the 
discussions fizzle and die!

Marc

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Wikipedia editing.

2013-02-13 Thread Jeff Fortin
Le mardi 12 février 2013 à 18:25 +0100, Charles-H. Schulz a écrit :
   could you add the french government's 500K desktops as well? There
   are many, many others as well.
  
  LibreOffice, not OOo?
  Well I'd need the exact sources to cite those... can you provide them?
  (but then it might also be easier to add them directly yourself ;)
 
 Check the french wikipedia site; the reference is there, and yes it's
 LibreOffice.

Nope, it isn't there... there is no deployment section on
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/LibreOffice , no mention of France per se
nor the figure 500... The closest I have is in the English version
where we already cite the Île-de-France region putting LO on a USB flash
drive to be given to students.


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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Brazilian LibreOffice Magazine released

2013-02-13 Thread webmaster-Kracked_P_P

On 02/13/2013 11:04 AM, Marc Paré wrote:

Le 2013-02-13 09:57, Eliane Domingos de Sousa a écrit :

Hi,

In fact, it's my dream! But I need volunteers to help us. Today, only me
and Vera are doing the diagramation. We have 3 volunteers to do the
review.

My ideia when I share the project and the file ODG file is to stimulate
the others countries to create the magazine others languages and others
matters.

About the language, we have the same problem, we have to translate all
the materials created in English for Portuguese. We need to translate
the software, the post of blogs and the manuals. We have very few
volunteers to help with translation.

I hope you don't be upset with me. If we had more volunteers helping, we
would certainly have an English version.

Best


This item comes up every 6 months or so.

We put together a team, but, it gets stalled every time we tried to 
get it off the ground. You can find the link, of course, on our 
marketing wiki page in the Generic Stuff section[1] and the team 
members of LibreOffice Magazine International have all signed up. It 
has been a while, so all of the participants would have to be 
re-contacted to verify their involvement.


We would need mentorship from the BR-Pt team to help set up the 
structure and guide us with the ins/outs of using Draw. The 
commitment, is the same as the BR-PT team, the magazine must use 
LibreOffice as its publication tool.


I had put my name down as a helper, but as in all thing, we would need 
a strong commitment from at least a couple of individuals who would 
work at it consistently in order to publish the magazine on a regular 
basis.


Should we try again?

Anyone saying yes to this should commit to working on the magazine! It 
is easy to give a +1 / Yes and whatever, but we need people to help 
and contribute rather than keep suggesting and then back away and 
watch the discussions fizzle and die!


Marc

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We really NEED something like this BR-PT magazine for English and the 
other major languages.  It would be a real helper to our marketing 
work to have something like this.


Since I do not read their language, I just looked at the design and I 
really think it would work for the younger users, or younger at heart 
users. College age and younger.  If I could read the text, then I might 
see that it could be for other users as well, but I cannot.


The design look and feel is really great.

If we could just get enough people together to create such a magazine 
for English, it would be something I could use as a potential item to 
hand out or at least have them as part of the promotional web pages for LO.




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[libreoffice-marketing] [ACTION ITEM -- ORGANIZE LIBREOFFICE MAGAZINE INTERNATIONAL] Re: Brazilian LibreOffice Magazine released

2013-02-13 Thread Marc Paré

Le 2013-02-13 11:51, Eliane Domingos de Sousa a écrit :

Hi Marc,

Well, I think we need to try.

I'll write the instructions and post in the wiki. I need time for that.
I think I can do that until March 01.

Best


OK

I'll try to contact the people on that list and see if they are still 
interested. I'll leave a note on the wiki next to their name if they are 
still interested and those who are not, I will delete their name from 
the page.


For the rest of the marketing team (yup, if you are reading this, then 
you signed up on this list to help out!) Feel free to post your name on 
the wiki page and also with the kind of role you can play on the 
magazine production.


I will ad this to our wiki easy hacks page as some of the work is 
actually not that difficult. Just maybe a little time-consuming.


Cheers,

Marc


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[libreoffice-marketing] Re: Wikipedia editing.

2013-02-13 Thread Marc Paré

Le 2013-02-13 11:56, Jeff Fortin a écrit :

Le mardi 12 février 2013 à 18:25 +0100, Charles-H. Schulz a écrit :

could you add the french government's 500K desktops as well? There
are many, many others as well.


LibreOffice, not OOo?
Well I'd need the exact sources to cite those... can you provide them?
(but then it might also be easier to add them directly yourself ;)


Check the french wikipedia site; the reference is there, and yes it's
LibreOffice.


Nope, it isn't there... there is no deployment section on
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/LibreOffice , no mention of France per se
nor the figure 500... The closest I have is in the English version
where we already cite the Île-de-France region putting LO on a USB flash
drive to be given to students.




You may have missed Sophie's post? Try here: 
[http://www.journal-officiel.gouv.fr/mimo/]


Is this it?

Cheers,

Marc

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Wikipedia editing.

2013-02-13 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Jeff,

Have you checked the link Sophie sent yesterday on this list?

Thanks,
Charles.


Jeff Fortin nekoh...@gmail.com a écrit :

Le mardi 12 février 2013 à 18:25 +0100, Charles-H. Schulz a écrit :
   could you add the french government's 500K desktops as well?
There
   are many, many others as well.
  
  LibreOffice, not OOo?
  Well I'd need the exact sources to cite those... can you provide
them?
  (but then it might also be easier to add them directly yourself ;)
 
 Check the french wikipedia site; the reference is there, and yes it's
 LibreOffice.

Nope, it isn't there... there is no deployment section on
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/LibreOffice , no mention of France per se
nor the figure 500... The closest I have is in the English version
where we already cite the Île-de-France region putting LO on a USB
flash
drive to be given to students.


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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Wikipedia editing.

2013-02-13 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Jeff,

Have you checked the link Sophie sent yesterday on this list?

Thanks,
Charles.


Jeff Fortin nekoh...@gmail.com a écrit :

Le mardi 12 février 2013 à 18:25 +0100, Charles-H. Schulz a écrit :
   could you add the french government's 500K desktops as well?
There
   are many, many others as well.
  
  LibreOffice, not OOo?
  Well I'd need the exact sources to cite those... can you provide
them?
  (but then it might also be easier to add them directly yourself ;)
 
 Check the french wikipedia site; the reference is there, and yes it's
 LibreOffice.

Nope, it isn't there... there is no deployment section on
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/LibreOffice , no mention of France per se
nor the figure 500... The closest I have is in the English version
where we already cite the Île-de-France region putting LO on a USB
flash
drive to be given to students.


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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Wikipedia editing.

2013-02-13 Thread Jeff Fortin

 You may have missed Sophie's post? Try here: 
 [http://www.journal-officiel.gouv.fr/mimo/]
 
 Is this it?

Ah, not really... this website is only about downloading premade
libreoffice bundles (or learning the tech specs of the bundles). It is
not a (citeable) announcement of a mass deployment (with numbers and all
that).


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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Wikipedia editing.

2013-02-13 Thread Sophie Gautier
On 13/02/2013 19:05, Jeff Fortin wrote:
 
 You may have missed Sophie's post? Try here: 
 [http://www.journal-officiel.gouv.fr/mimo/]

 Is this it?
 
 Ah, not really... this website is only about downloading premade
 libreoffice bundles (or learning the tech specs of the bundles). It is
 not a (citeable) announcement of a mass deployment (with numbers and all
 that).

Most of the ministries using this version a cited on this site which is
the one for official publication by the French government. You won't
find anything else in France. The European commission has however a
publication
here
https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/elibrary/case/mimo-working-group-french-ministries-certify-libreoffice-release-0

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Wikipedia editing.

2013-02-13 Thread Craig Olofson

Jeff;

Sophie does flesh out in a bit more detail who, in the French 
government, are using LibreOffice but there are still no numbers. 
Googling only finds unattributed 500 000.  I'll keep looking but, 
until then, here's the fuller story:


http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/msg03450.html

On 02/13/2013 10:26 AM, Sophie Gautier wrote:

On 13/02/2013 19:05, Jeff Fortin wrote:

You may have missed Sophie's post? Try here:
[http://www.journal-officiel.gouv.fr/mimo/]

Is this it?

Ah, not really... this website is only about downloading premade
libreoffice bundles (or learning the tech specs of the bundles). It is
not a (citeable) announcement of a mass deployment (with numbers and all
that).

Most of the ministries using this version a cited on this site which is
the one for official publication by the French government. You won't
find anything else in France. The European commission has however a
publication
here
https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/elibrary/case/mimo-working-group-french-ministries-certify-libreoffice-release-0

Kind regards
Sophie



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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Wikipedia editing.

2013-02-13 Thread Sophie Gautier
Hi Craig,
On 13/02/2013 19:54, Craig Olofson wrote:
 Jeff;
 
 Sophie does flesh out in a bit more detail who, in the French
 government, are using LibreOffice but there are still no numbers.
 Googling only finds unattributed 500 000.  I'll keep looking but,
 until then, here's the fuller story:
 
 http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/msg03450.html


It's in the article I pointed :
 Today, nine ministries compose the core of the working group: Energy
(Ecologie), Defence (Défense), Interior (Intérieur), Justice,
Agriculture, Culture and Communication, Education and Finance. MIMO's
open source office tools can potentially be deployed on 500 000
desktops, where OpenOffice is already installed. The Interior Ministry
is responsible for the largest deployment project, with 240 000 desktops.

Kind regards
Sophie

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Enterprise adoption of LibreOffice

2013-02-13 Thread Italo Vignoli
On 2/12/13 4:19 PM, Jeff Fortin wrote:

 The big question on my mind remains: do we know of government bodies
 that are currently looking into it (migrating from Office/proprietary
 solutions) but have not yet made the move? Or do we typically only know
 about that once they've already started/made the switch?

I try to guess percentages, based on my experience: we know in advance
(20%), we know when they are starting to make the switch (20%), we know
when they start to have the first problems (20%), we never know (40%).
This is why it is very important to raise the awareness of support
opportunities.

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing]

2013-02-13 Thread Italo Vignoli
On 2/12/13 12:36 PM, Charles-H. Schulz wrote:

 I have about three interviews that are ready to be published from
 devs and localizers. I can starto to publish them as of today but if
 you have a better timing in mind please let me know.

Go whenever you feel right to go.

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Enterprise adoption of LibreOffice

2013-02-13 Thread Jay Lozier

On 02/13/2013 05:39 PM, Italo Vignoli wrote:

On 2/12/13 4:19 PM, Jeff Fortin wrote:


The big question on my mind remains: do we know of government bodies
that are currently looking into it (migrating from Office/proprietary
solutions) but have not yet made the move? Or do we typically only know
about that once they've already started/made the switch?

I try to guess percentages, based on my experience: we know in advance
(20%), we know when they are starting to make the switch (20%), we know
when they start to have the first problems (20%), we never know (40%).
This is why it is very important to raise the awareness of support
opportunities.

Interesting, if MS became aware that say few large city that currently 
use MSO were considering LO they might make FUD attacks on LO. I do not 
know exactly how the MS support agreements work (I would assume 
something like $x / person for a years with option to renew) but non 
renewal would be a very good indication someone is switching to 
something else.


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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Enterprise adoption of LibreOffice

2013-02-13 Thread Italo Vignoli
On 2/14/13 12:18 AM, Jay Lozier wrote:

 Interesting, if MS became aware that say few large city that currently
 use MSO were considering LO they might make FUD attacks on LO. I do not
 know exactly how the MS support agreements work (I would assume
 something like $x / person for a years with option to renew) but non
 renewal would be a very good indication someone is switching to
 something else.

Only a few large MS Office users have support agreements, because they
already spend a large amount of money on licenses, but Microsoft visits
them at least twice a year to try to sell on top of licenses. They use
every opportunity to provide competitive marketing materials, and the
fact that several users do not want to speak about migrations is due to
the fact that they would immediately receive the visit of Microsoft
sales people, who - in some cases - would try to discredit the CIO with
his management because of the choice to use free software. Microsoft is
very effective, although they are losign grip with their market because
of their attitude.

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Enterprise adoption of LibreOffice

2013-02-13 Thread Jay Lozier

On 02/13/2013 06:38 PM, Italo Vignoli wrote:

On 2/14/13 12:18 AM, Jay Lozier wrote:


Interesting, if MS became aware that say few large city that currently
use MSO were considering LO they might make FUD attacks on LO. I do not
know exactly how the MS support agreements work (I would assume
something like $x / person for a years with option to renew) but non
renewal would be a very good indication someone is switching to
something else.

Only a few large MS Office users have support agreements, because they
already spend a large amount of money on licenses, but Microsoft visits
them at least twice a year to try to sell on top of licenses. They use
every opportunity to provide competitive marketing materials, and the
fact that several users do not want to speak about migrations is due to
the fact that they would immediately receive the visit of Microsoft
sales people, who - in some cases - would try to discredit the CIO with
his management because of the choice to use free software. Microsoft is
very effective, although they are losign grip with their market because
of their attitude.


What is a typical license term?

Years ago I worked closely with my company's sales team. What I noticed 
it was better to sell your products features and benefits and say 
nothing about your competitors unless directly asked by the customer. 
Then be very careful what you say to avoid antagonizing the customer and 
be very factual. I worked with chemical equipment manufacturers and our 
customers where often chemical engineers.


The long term problem with FUD tactics is it risks one's creditability 
by becoming a known liar. It may take awhile.


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Re: [libreoffice-marketing]

2013-02-13 Thread Warren
if i may ask if we may make a list of these publications? 

i am asking as i am pitching for airtime on a local tv tech tv show to spot 
light LO (since they where spotlighting lotus and MS offfice) 
and has anyone made any artworks/advert like material even if their fan made or 
user based. 

not to aliantate but i just wanted to point out that we need to make more 
resources so when push comes to show we have quick and ready material say for 
TV/RADIO 


Best Regards 
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Mobile: +356 7991 2004 
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Also a member of MLUG , The Document Foundation , Ubuntu Malta 

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From: Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com 
To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org 
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 11:40:43 PM 
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] 

On 2/12/13 12:36 PM, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: 

 I have about three interviews that are ready to be published from 
 devs and localizers. I can starto to publish them as of today but if 
 you have a better timing in mind please let me know. 

Go whenever you feel right to go. 

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Enterprise adoption of LibreOffice

2013-02-13 Thread C. Olofson

On 2/13/2013 3:55 PM, Jay Lozier wrote:

On 02/13/2013 06:38 PM, Italo Vignoli wrote:

On 2/14/13 12:18 AM, Jay Lozier wrote:


Interesting, if MS became aware that say few large city that currently
use MSO were considering LO they might make FUD attacks on LO. I do not
know exactly how the MS support agreements work (I would assume
something like $x / person for a years with option to renew) but non
renewal would be a very good indication someone is switching to
something else.

Only a few large MS Office users have support agreements, because they
already spend a large amount of money on licenses, but Microsoft visits
them at least twice a year to try to sell on top of licenses. They use
every opportunity to provide competitive marketing materials, and the
fact that several users do not want to speak about migrations is due to
the fact that they would immediately receive the visit of Microsoft
sales people, who - in some cases - would try to discredit the CIO with
his management because of the choice to use free software. Microsoft is
very effective, although they are losign grip with their market because
of their attitude.


What is a typical license term?

Years ago I worked closely with my company's sales team. What I 
noticed it was better to sell your products features and benefits 
and say nothing about your competitors unless directly asked by the 
customer. Then be very careful what you say to avoid antagonizing the 
customer and be very factual. I worked with chemical equipment 
manufacturers and our customers where often chemical engineers.


The long term problem with FUD tactics is it risks one's creditability 
by becoming a known liar. It may take awhile.


I can't speak to licensing terms but with respect to adoption of 
anything other than MSO: in my (limited) experience with both companies 
and non-profits, most resistance to moving away from MSO comes from the 
workers who use MSO.  It doesn't matter whether one has a better 
non-free app (Wordperfect), a better cloud solution (Google Apps) or 
whether one can articulate the beauty of free-as-in-free-speech:  
Change, for most end users, is to be avoided in the extreme.


That attitude, in my opinion, is the biggest barrier to LibO adoption; 
even bigger than MS' fud machine.


fwiw,
-Craig





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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Enterprise adoption of LibreOffice

2013-02-13 Thread Jay Lozier

On 02/13/2013 07:03 PM, C. Olofson wrote:

On 2/13/2013 3:55 PM, Jay Lozier wrote:

On 02/13/2013 06:38 PM, Italo Vignoli wrote:

On 2/14/13 12:18 AM, Jay Lozier wrote:


Interesting, if MS became aware that say few large city that currently
use MSO were considering LO they might make FUD attacks on LO. I do 
not

know exactly how the MS support agreements work (I would assume
something like $x / person for a years with option to renew) but non
renewal would be a very good indication someone is switching to
something else.

Only a few large MS Office users have support agreements, because they
already spend a large amount of money on licenses, but Microsoft visits
them at least twice a year to try to sell on top of licenses. They use
every opportunity to provide competitive marketing materials, and the
fact that several users do not want to speak about migrations is due to
the fact that they would immediately receive the visit of Microsoft
sales people, who - in some cases - would try to discredit the CIO with
his management because of the choice to use free software. Microsoft is
very effective, although they are losign grip with their market because
of their attitude.


What is a typical license term?

Years ago I worked closely with my company's sales team. What I 
noticed it was better to sell your products features and benefits 
and say nothing about your competitors unless directly asked by the 
customer. Then be very careful what you say to avoid antagonizing the 
customer and be very factual. I worked with chemical equipment 
manufacturers and our customers where often chemical engineers.


The long term problem with FUD tactics is it risks one's 
creditability by becoming a known liar. It may take awhile.


I can't speak to licensing terms but with respect to adoption of 
anything other than MSO: in my (limited) experience with both 
companies and non-profits, most resistance to moving away from MSO 
comes from the workers who use MSO.  It doesn't matter whether one has 
a better non-free app (Wordperfect), a better cloud solution (Google 
Apps) or whether one can articulate the beauty of 
free-as-in-free-speech:  Change, for most end users, is to be avoided 
in the extreme.
Most of the users I have seen in the corporate/academic world are not 
computer literate and fear any change. To compound matters they have no 
interest in becoming marginally literate. Try explaining how to import a 
csv file into a spreadsheet when the person fears Excel; lots of fun.


That attitude, in my opinion, is the biggest barrier to LibO adoption; 
even bigger than MS' fud machine.
I think the real issue is user attitudes are reinforced by FUD. Often 
you see people say you can not do something on the web unless you have 
Windows or a Mac but Linux usually works just as well but the FUD plays 
on user ignorance of how websites actually work. Once the spell is 
broken, then credibility is lost.


fwiw,
-Craig








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[libreoffice-marketing] The video for LibreOffice miniconf Tokyo

2013-02-13 Thread Naruhiko Ogasawara
Hi,


I changed the subject of the mail to make clear what we're talking
about.


Anyway,

May I ask when we'll get the video for our miniconf?
Someone already have it taken in FOSDEM, right?


Our miniconf will be held 23th Feb. JST, so I want to use this weekend
to prepare the event, for example, adding Japanese caption on the video.

Of course I'll be happy that I will get it earlier, but I don't want to
rush all of you; lots of works you might have.
I only want to know current status.


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