Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Recruitment for Base (Was Re: [steering-discuss] Base - a new mailing list?)
Hi Robert, On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 11:57 PM, Robert Ryley wrote: >> This is precisely information that is not documented at the moment, >> and - indeed - some aspects are still probably in evolution. Only the >> project's leading devs could really give you a satisfactory answer. >> >> But, certainly, the lack of developer documentation is something that >> is a real brake to people wanting to ease themselves into a position >> of being able to hack code for the project. AFAIK, a lot of the Java >> is being replaced with Perl. > > This is a very disappointing development. > > Perl is going to be MUCH harder to maintain than java. I recall the > joke "A programmer had a problem. He decided to use perl. The > programmer then had two problems." > > I don't want to get too involved in the technical details here. But > perhaps you could tell me how solid this decision is, and who to > discuss some of these issues with? You should not take anything I say as being 100% reliable, as I am not a coder. Here's one more resource that will certainly help you (again, there is insufficient awareness of its existence): http://api.libreoffice.org/ You can write to the devs mailing list, or chat with them on IRC. You can notably look out for Michael Meeks, Thorsten Behrens or Norbert Thiebaud to name just three guys off the top of my head. > Thanks. You're welcome. ;-) -- David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Recruitment for Base (Was Re: [steering-discuss] Base - a new mailing list?)
Hi Robert, On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 11:40 PM, Robert Ryley wrote: > If there is a move away from java, that is going to make a significant > portion of that documentation obsolete. Is there anything > specifically related to the move away from java documented anywhere? > Any idea what the API is going to be to replace it? This is precisely information that is not documented at the moment, and - indeed - some aspects are still probably in evolution. Only the project's leading devs could really give you a satisfactory answer. But, certainly, the lack of developer documentation is something that is a real brake to people wanting to ease themselves into a position of being able to hack code for the project. AFAIK, a lot of the Java is being replaced with Perl. You have 2 resources that can help you familiarize yourself a little with the code base: http://docs.libreoffice.org/ This is some partial API documentation. And you've got: http://opengrok.libreoffice.org/ Powered by OpenGrok - "a wicked fast source browser!" This is a tool to search in the LibreOffice GIT repositories. For more info on getting into development, you can visit: http://www.libreoffice.org/get-involved/developers/ HTH at least a bit. :-) -- David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Recruitment for Base (Was Re: [steering-discuss] Base - a new mailing list?)
Hi Robert, On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 11:19 PM, Robert Ryley > Where can I find more info about this? Actually, Tom's been doing some very nice organizational work on the docs team's wiki: On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 11:08 PM, Tom Davies wrote: > > There is a guide for general programmers > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation#Other_Documentation_and_Resources > but it probably completely misses some of the key curved balls that Base devs > will have to dodge or use. Oh, and it was written for OOo And you can also browse the current content on http://media.libreoffice.org (click the CMIS Repository link). You could also write to the docs team mailing list if you'd like to join us! :-) http://www.libreoffice.org/get-involved/documenters/ -- David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Recruitment for Base (Was Re: [steering-discuss] Base - a new mailing list?)
Hi Tom, On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 10:08 PM, Tom Davies wrote: > I think we need to attract people to work on the documentation as well as the > code. > > Documentation is not as good as it could be because the Documentation Team > has not been able to really work at it. There are bits&pieces scattered > around the internet but unlike the other apps there is no guide that brings > it all together. I'm not sure what is meant by "professionals". Is this a > suggestion that we hire some paid staff or consultants to do the Base Guide? > If so then I would suggest paying Alex, Planas, Andreas, Regina or someone > like that as they already have experience with Base and are more likely to > have a clue what they are talking about than an outsider. Well, one thing we are lacking, in terms of documentation, is material that gives a general and/or a detailed overview of the technical design of the LibreOffice suite, which would allow potential contributors to get their head around how to jump in. AFAIK, you need some familiarity with the suite's architecture and design, or sufficient development experience to be able to figure it out for yourself, before you can envision hacking code for LibO. It's true that you might get some useful mentoring from the devs on IRC, and that there is also not-widely-known-about API documentation available at [1]. The reason for this is that a) the LibreOffice docs team has not had time and resources to develop such documentation, and that - in any case - the suite's software design has been evolving (move away from Java), so it was not really the time to get into such an initiative. Plus, user documentation has been seen as the primary need. But, in the medium term, we would indeed need to develop some software design documentation for the LibreOffice software. Now, who's to do it? And when? Difficult questions to answer, especially when the docs team is so short-handed in terms of contributors. And it would require close liaison with the devs. I'm not sure it's a problem that can be fixed simply by throwing money at it. Does TDF even have the resources and will to do so? Not sure about that either... However, Tom, in any case, you're basically right that documentation is one of the problems to be solved. [1] http://docs.libreoffice.org/ -- David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Recruitment for Base (Was Re: [steering-discuss] Base - a new mailing list?)
Hi Charles, On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 9:22 PM, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: >> Although, like Tom, I'd love to see TDF get something moving with >> Google (one of our supporters, no?) and work on Google Docs >> integration. >> > > Google Docs is proprietary... Sure, but they have been one of our declared supporters from the outset of the project, yet I'm not aware of anything that Google and TDF have worked on together. I think it's a pity. While it's true that Google Docs is proprietary, they are pretty supportive of OS projects. And, pragmatically, they provide a free, cloud-based service that supports ODF formats. With a very big user base. I imagine that a lot of interest would be generated by LibreOffice/Google Docs integration, which could certainly have positive spin-offs for our project. I have a feeling that Google would probably react helpfully if we started the ball rolling, especially if the SC showed a positive attitude to the idea... If TDF was interested, I have a relevant contact I could approach about it... It would be interesting to see what might come of it... What do you think about that? In any case, the proposed survey is one really good way forward already. Once again, just my 2 cents... ;-) -- David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Recruitment for Base (Was Re: [steering-discuss] Base - a new mailing list?)
Hi, On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 8:14 PM, Robert Ryley wrote: > 2. Bugs, lack of docs and developer resources for base Docs-wise, we have stuff in the pipeline. There are guys who have been working on a Base guide, and we have the OOo UNO developer guide on the Alfresco platform ready for re-branding (plus the OOo Basic developer guide, too). You can browse what we have in the pipeline at http://media.libreoffice.org (click on the CMIS link). So it's not like we have *nothing at all*, although there is a lot more work to be done still. -- David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Recruitment for Base (Was Re: [steering-discuss] Base - a new mailing list?)
Hi, On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 6:54 PM, Ian Lynch wrote: > I know that > the PostgreSQL developers are interested in closer integration with OOo from > direct talks with them and we will be looking at this in more detail and we > have realistic chances of getting significant funding resources. This sounds like one possible good move for LibreOffice: Base as as a front end and PostgreSQL as the engine at the back. That way, we only have to provide a decent, reliable front end, and we have a well-supported database engine. Although I would not like to give up on the possibility of supporting other databases, too. Although if I had to make a pragmatic choice between badly-implemented complexity of support for multiple engines and well-implemented support for just one engine, I'd choose the latter. Although, like Tom, I'd love to see TDF get something moving with Google (one of our supporters, no?) and work on Google Docs integration. Charles, could we maybe get some technical opinions from Michael and Thorsten about the feasibility of the above ideas? Michael, Thorsten, could you maybe explain to us what the problems and prerequisites would be for the above? -- David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Recruitment for Base (Was Re: [steering-discuss] Base - a new mailing list?)
Hi Tom, On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 7:17 PM, Tom Davies wrote: > Quite. I don't see how a questionnaire is going to actively fix even a > single bug. "Talk is cheap" and a questionnaire is a prime example. At > least a specialist mailing list dedicated to people that want to actively > work on various aspects around Base, such as marketing, devs, documenters and > so on would be able to start developing a plan. I think it's a sensible move to evaluate people's / organizations' needs so that we can take a rational decision about the next move. We *do* have a whole bunch of mailing lists at present, so it's not like we don't have somewhere to talk things through. The thing is to get the subject on the table and get the SC involved in the discussion, which is what is happening now. Another possibility is that we could ask for a slot on the Talkyou account and have a little conference about Base. Or we could put Base on one of the SC callconf agenda and discuss the subject there. The thing is to keep the communication rolling, and to have concrete proposals to make - and to concretely get involved in some action, after we've had a survey and brainstorming process to figure out what to do next. So I think we're on the right path already. Let's get down to the subject in hand. :-) As ever, 2 cents. -- David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Recruitment for Base (Was Re: [steering-discuss] Base - a new mailing list?)
Hi, Nor should it be forgotten that there is already an effort at documenting Base that is a work in progress on the LibreOffice Alfresco platform... So it's not like no-one has been doing some work on documenting it (IIRC, you, Alex, have been working on some of that documentation). I think Alex has pretty much hit the nail on the head... But, even so, it would be a valuable help if the marketing guys could turn their attention to recruiting new contributors to the project...t -- David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Enjoy It!
Nice one, Drew. ;-) -- David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Reminder: LibreOffice Marketing Conference Call for June 2011
Hi, On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 5:35 PM, Bernhard Dippold wrote: > Marc Paré schrieb: >> >> [...] Maybe we could use Mumble or OpenMeetings. I favour Mumble >> as it does demand of too many resources from the user end but if people >> would rather use OpenMeetings then OK. Some NA Community members have >> tested Mumble and it works great. We are going to try out OpenOffice next. > > I think you want to try out OpenMeetings instead ;-) My experience with OpenMeetings is that it is a great package but not easy to set up (I have an instance on my own server - it was a challenge to install). I suspect that Mumble will be an easier solution to use, even if it does not have all the great features of OpenMeetings. The only thing with Mumble is that it needs a special client program to be installed on the conference attender's computer, although it's not difficult to install. -- David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] UK government getting serious about FOSS?
Hi, :-) On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 08:28, Christian Lohmaier wrote: > Again: nothing against a UK or US regional site, but not with > us.libreoffice.org and uk.libreoffice.org How about british.libreoffice.org and american.libreoffice.org then? Highly memorable and great marketing value. David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] UK government getting serious about FOSS?
Hi Ian, :-) On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 07:42, Ian Lynch wrote: > http://blogs.computerworlduk.com/enterprise-os-how-hard-can-it-be/2011/02/the-government-gets-really-serious-about-open-source/index.htm > > Could be good news for libreoffice? It was precisely with this in mind that I recently asked the SC to consider the establishment of a UK "NL" site on libreoffice.org. I think there is an opportunity to post content that promotes and aids the uptake of LibreOffice in UK government and businesses. If the SC so decides, I want to develop the content for the subsite. Are you willing to get involved in that? David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Great artwork
Hi, :-) Next time I do screenshots for the docs team, I'll use your desktop background. :-) David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Great artwork
Yes, he's doing great work, too. I want to see that implemented. But I really loved what you did there on Deviantart, and you will remember that a lot of other people did, too. I really don't want that to become a forgotten thing. I wish my LibreOffice looked like that now. How can I hack my installation to apply your "skin"? If you find time, give me some clues and I might follow through and build the material and write instructions to make a hacked installation. David Nelson 2011/2/16 Paulo José : > Thanks! :-D > > I don't know if there are interest enough from community to do it right now > - there are so many interesting projects in progress on design mail listing > currently -, but I share your wish. :) Anyway, there are the Citrus UI > <http://clickortap.wordpress.com> [1], an amazing project to change the user > interface of LibreOffice. Sadly, it seems to be made by an only man (I'm not > sure). > > ~Paulo > > [1] http://clickortap.wordpress.com > > On 15-02-2011 17:21, David Nelson wrote: >> >> Hi, :-) >> >> By the way, I really want to see you press ahead with that "skin" you >> did for LibreOffice that you had on DeviantArt... That was **so** >> cool. >> >> David Nelson >> >> >> >> >> 2011/2/16 Paulo José: >>> >>> Hi Marc! >>> >>> On 15-02-2011 08:52, Marc Paré wrote: >>>> >>>> Paulo, if you could post these on the LibreOffice site as wallpaper >>>> files, >>>> we could add these to the "LibreOffice Conference Kit"[1] page for >>>> marketing >>>> teams' use. >>> >>> Well, these "wallpapers" are just tests rendered in a bigger resolution >>> [asked by Leif] and their textures have poor quality. Actually, the >>> resolution of textures (512px) is not enough to the 1024x768 format, so >>> you >>> can see the aliasing effect in the center picture (look to green >>> highlights >>> in the hills). Also maybe some text may be good too to keep the context >>> of >>> these images. I'll try to do something better today and present to you. >>> :) >>> >>>> Thanks a lot for the great artwork! >>> >>> I'm happy with the commentaries from you all. :) Thank you! >>> >>> And thank you for all the people involved in the Mimetype icons creation, >>> because my only work was to put this great artwork in 3D format. :) >>> >>> Best Regards, >>> ~Paulo >>> -- >>> Paulo José O. Amaro >>> Computer Science Student >>> Federal University of São João del-Rei >>> WebDesigner / Linked Empresa Júnior >>> Blogger / casatwain.com >>> >>> -- >>> Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org >>> List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ >>> *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** >>> >>> > > -- > Paulo José O. Amaro > Computer Science Student > Federal University of São João del-Rei > WebDesigner / Linked Empresa Júnior > Blogger / casatwain.com > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ > *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** > > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Great artwork
Hi, :-) By the way, I really want to see you press ahead with that "skin" you did for LibreOffice that you had on DeviantArt... That was **so** cool. David Nelson 2011/2/16 Paulo José : > Hi Marc! > > On 15-02-2011 08:52, Marc Paré wrote: >> >> Paulo, if you could post these on the LibreOffice site as wallpaper files, >> we could add these to the "LibreOffice Conference Kit"[1] page for marketing >> teams' use. > > Well, these "wallpapers" are just tests rendered in a bigger resolution > [asked by Leif] and their textures have poor quality. Actually, the > resolution of textures (512px) is not enough to the 1024x768 format, so you > can see the aliasing effect in the center picture (look to green highlights > in the hills). Also maybe some text may be good too to keep the context of > these images. I'll try to do something better today and present to you. :) > >> Thanks a lot for the great artwork! > > I'm happy with the commentaries from you all. :) Thank you! > > And thank you for all the people involved in the Mimetype icons creation, > because my only work was to put this great artwork in 3D format. :) > > Best Regards, > ~Paulo > -- > Paulo José O. Amaro > Computer Science Student > Federal University of São João del-Rei > WebDesigner / Linked Empresa Júnior > Blogger / casatwain.com > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ > *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** > > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Great artwork
Hi Leif, :-) Paulo, that is beautiful work indeed. Good to have you in the project. :-) David Nelson On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 06:09, leif wrote: > Just want you to have a look at these artworks by Paulo José > > http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-u5jp_Di8J_c/TVl0IFSTwQI/AZs/gbNUjE2Cnr4/s1600/wallpaper+01.png > http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-8amZZUjYeFM/TVl89VjQ3LI/AZw/hHa72Enm1Tg/s1600/wallpaper+02.png > > > I would like to encourage others to do similar work :-) -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[libreoffice-marketing] Request for UK local marketing mailing list
Hi Florian, :-) Would it be possible to set-up a special local UK marketing list? David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Templates
Hi, :-) On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 11:31, Kevin Soviero wrote: > The default templates for Impress have been terrible since the beginning of > OOo. I want to make a beautiful set of templates for LibreOffice's version > of Impress. > > I am wondering what team I would deal with to get them included in the next > release (or whichever release in which the templates can be updated). > > There is always the chance they won't update them at all, but I hope my > templates will be good enough to inspire the change... My suggestion would be the Documentation team, although Design will also undoubtedly be interested in the subject? David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Request for draft for http://www.libreoffice.org/get-involved/marketers/
Hi, :-) @Drew: thanks, man. ;-) @Marc: feel free to jump in and add stuff, Marc? David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[libreoffice-marketing] Re: Request for draft for http://www.libreoffice.org/get-involved/marketers/
Hi Drew, :-) On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 04:44, drew wrote: > Not directly no - but I'll draft something and send it to Italo for his > review. Could you also copy me when you do? Italo's *very* busy and is unlikely to have time to help with this Just give it your best shot... That would really be plenty fine Sorry to ask you, I'm sure it's not a good time for it... David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[libreoffice-marketing] Request for draft for http://www.libreoffice.org/get-involved/marketers/
Hi, :-) @Drew: Drew, you're someone with a really good feeling for the Marketing project. I was wondering if maybe I could ask a special favor. Is there any chance you could quickly write something along the lines of http://www.libreoffice.org/get-involved/ux-visual-designers/ but for Marketing? David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: [us-marketing] Marketing ConfCall agenda/topics - was Reminder: Marketing ConfCall
Hi Florian, :-) Could you look at my post to you about the SC confcall tomorrow? I never imagined you would schedule it at such short notice. ;-) David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: [libreoffice-design] Urgent call for sample files for producing screenshots
Hi, :-) OK, restatement of need again. I am going to scrap all the screenshots I previously took under Windows and completely start again. For those of you who want to help me with screenshots, can we please follow these bases *exactly*, so that we get a uniform set of shots that don't spoil the site design? (I am starting my shot-taking now, and won't be re-doing it again, so this is the way the shots on the site are going to be for the moment.) I have decided to adopt 1000px by 750px for the window size when taking the shot. (Under Ubuntu, you can easily use "Screen Ruler" for accurately sizing the window. The actual graphic shown on the pages will be downsized.) I am going to use screenshots taken under Ubuntu with the default Ambiance theme (with *no* visual effects activated). Reminder: I need some more sample files with which I can produce screenshots for the libreoffice.org, from *all* the LibO apps. If you have LibO files (from Writer, Calc and Impress) that contain attractively-presented content that is not copyrighted, please mail them to me ASAP. If you have any well-presented equations for Math, I need some more too. Similarly, if you have any databases for Base with well-peopled tables, and with forms and reports, I need them, too. Or, if you feel able to help out by taking screenshots yourself, then: a) Take them under Ubuntu Linux, using the Ambiance theme, with *no* visual effects. b) Take the *window only* with the window frame - not the whole desktop. c) 1000px wide by 750px tall - you can use Screen Ruler to accurately size the window. e) Anything up to a dozen good shots from each app is what I'm hoping to accumulate in each app, demo the key features: in Writer, tables, indexes, etc. I'm sure you see what I mean f) The file you use for taking the screenshot should ideally be called "sample.odt" (or whatever extension) I'll be working on this today Sunday, Jan 9, and tomorrow Monday, Jan 10. I'll be able to use all your contributions that comply with the above and that arrive within these 2 days. Please mail your contributions directly to me. ;-) A big thanks for any help. ;-) P.S. If you're not posting specifically about the work I'm talking about on this thread, please post under another thread and do not go OT here. Thanks for you kind understanding about this. David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: [libreoffice-design] Urgent call for sample files for producing screenshots
Hi, :-) To restate the need... I need some more sample files with which I can produce screenshots for the libreoffice.org, from *all* the LibO apps. If you have LibO files (from Writer, Calc and Impress) that contain attractively-presented content that is not copyrighted, please mail them to me ASAP. If you have any well-presented equations for Math, I need some more too. Similarly, if you have any databases for Base with well-peopled tables, and with forms and reports, I need them, too. Or, if you feel able to help out by taking screenshots yourself, then: a) a big thanks for the helping hand! ;-) b) take them using a theme that closely resembles MS Windows using a DARK SLATE GRAY theme (window frame, etc) c) take the *window only* - no desktop d) 400px wide by 300px tall - please try not to stretch/squash the proportions e) Anything up to a dozen good shots from each app is what I'm hoping to accumulate in each app, demo the ke features: in Writer, tables, indexes, etc. I'm sure you see what I mean f) The file you use for taking the screenshot should ideally be called "sample.odt" (or whatever extension) Just mail me whatever you got, whatever you can, when you can, and - once again - a *big* thanks :-D -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: [libreoffice-design] Urgent call for sample files for producing screenshots
Hi Fabian, Drew, all, :-) >> if you feel able to help out by taking screenshots yourself, then: >> >> a) a big thanks for the helping hand! ;-) >> >> b) take them under MS Windows using a DARK SLATE GRAY theme (window frame, >> etc) >>(or if you really want to use Linux, a theme that closely resembles the >> above) >> >> c) take the *window only* - no desktop >> >> d) 400px wide by 300px tall - please try not to stretch/squash the >> proportions >> >> e) Anything up to a dozen good shots from each app is what I'm hoping >> to accumulate in each app, demo the ke features: in Writer, >> tables, indexes, etc. I'm sure you see what I mean >> (that would ideally be a total of 60 to 70 screenshots of the 6 products? >> but you best effort will be gratefully accepted... ;-) >> >> Just mail me whatever you got, whatever you can, when you can, and - >> once again - a *big* thanks :-D Or, please just send me sample documents that I can use. ;-) David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: [libreoffice-design] Urgent call for sample files for producing screenshots
Hi Drew, all, ;-) > if you feel able to help out by taking screenshots yourself, then: > > a) a big thanks for the helping hand! ;-) > > b) take them under MS Windows using a DARK SLATE GRAY theme (window frame, > etc) > (I fail to believe that Bill is going to sue us because we took > screenshots of our own product under MS Windows...) > > c) take the *window only* - no desktop > > d) 400px wide by 300px tall - please try not to stretch/squash the proportions > > e) Anything up to a dozen good shots from each app is what I'm hoping > to accumulate in each app, demo the ke features: in Writer, > tables, indexes, etc. I'm sure you see what I mean > > Just mail me whatever you got, whatever you can, when you can, and - > once again - a *big* thanks :-D So, once again, my need is the above. ;-) -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: [libreoffice-design] Urgent call for sample files for producing screenshots
Hi Sophie, :-) Truthfully, your interpretation of what that text refers to is erroneous... they are talking of screenshots of Microsoft products such as MS Windows or Office, but *not* of screenshots taken of other people's products and works simply running under MS Windows... There's no need to worry. You see screenshots of software running under Windows *all over the Internet*... ;-) We're perfectly safe. ;-) In any case, I already took a large number of screenshots, and our documentation is *full* of screenshots taken under Windows, so this would involve an *enormous* amount of work to rectify...... ;-) David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: [libreoffice-design] Urgent call for sample files for producing screenshots
Hi Drew, :-) Or, if you feel able to help out by taking screenshots yourself, then: a) a big thanks for the helping hand! ;-) b) take them under MS Windows using a DARK SLATE GRAY theme (window frame, etc) (I fail to believe that Bill is going to sue us because we took screenshots of our own product under MS Windows...) c) take the *window only* - no desktop d) 400px wide by 300px tall - please try not to stretch/squash the proportions e) Anything up to a dozen good shots from each app is what I'm hoping to accumulate in each app, demo the ke features: in Writer, tables, indexes, etc. I'm sure you see what I mean Just mail me whatever you got, whatever you can, when you can, and - once again - a *big* thanks :-D David Nelson On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 21:32, drew wrote: > On Sat, 2011-01-08 at 21:19 +0800, David Nelson wrote: >> Hi Drew, :-) >> >> Guy I need sample FILES not screenshots. I'll do all screenshots >> myself in a uniform manner >> > > Ok, most of what I have does not use embedded database files, but I have > a few of those also. > > Will send a these direct to your email account. > > Ciao, > > Drew > > > > > > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ > *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: [libreoffice-design] Urgent call for sample files for producing screenshots
Hi Drew, :-) Guy I need sample FILES not screenshots. I'll do all screenshots myself in a uniform manner And Sophie, sorry, but they *will* be under Windows, not Linux, even though I'm a full-time Linux user myself, because *most* people use Windows and I don't want people thinking LibreOffice is some kind of marginal, geek product. TIA for any good data files you got. IN ENGLISH. David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[libreoffice-marketing] Urgent call for sample files for producing screenshots
Hi, :-) I need some more sample files with which I can produce screenshots for the libreoffice.org, from *all* the LibO apps. If you have LibO files (from Writer, Calc and Impress) that contain attractively-presented content that is not copyrighted, please mail them to me ASAP. If you have any well-presented equations for Math, I need some more too. Similarly, if you have any databases for Base with well-peopled tables, and with forms and reports, I need them, too. Thanks for any help. ;-) David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibreOffice Slogan
Hi, :-) I still like my idea: "LibreOffice. Do what you want." / "LibreOffice. Fais ce que tu veux.", "LibreOffice. Realises ce que tu veux." / "LibreOffice. Mach was du willst." / "LibreOffice. Haz lo que quieras." / "LibreOffice. Fai quello che vuoi." Short - 4 to 5 words in most languages. Easy to translate. Easy to understand. Appeals to all audiences, all ages. Anyone that speaks any English can understand and empathize with this slogan. It's got a ring of defiance and yet, through the same words, alludes to the suite's creative possibilities. David Nelson On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 09:02, Michael Wheatland wrote: > On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 9:18 AM, Italo Vignoli wrote: >> On 12/30/2010 06:31 AM, Michael Wheatland wrote: >> >>> At this point in time I might suggest: >> >>> LibreOffice, the document evolution >>> LibreOffice, the document revolution >> >> Evolution and revolution, together with leader, are two of the most overused >> words in marketing. The two concepts are correct, but we should find better >> wording for them. > > Possibly "Revolutionary leader in document evolution" > :) > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ > *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[libreoffice-marketing] Review of progress on the libreoffice.org website and theme
Hi, :-) I was working on the new theme for the libreoffice.org website today, and then the server went dead. It's probably a nudge from fate. ;-) And then I was reading Stefan Siegel in a thread on the docs list, and it sounds like he has rather different ideas about at least some of the content on the libreoffice.org website. And I've also been thinking about some of the stuff that's been said in off-list threads about the website, the work I've been doing on it, and the theme [1] [2] that I'm developing for it (using Nikash Singh's template). Let's have this conversation *on* the list. I want to know a few things from all you guys. I asked for a period of time up to January 10 to finish what I started without consulting you very much. This is because, in my experience, the discussions turn into long rambling threads, with lots of conflicting opinions, and - in the end - no clear decision gets taken by anyone. I can tell you, as someone who's been at the sharp end of the actual work, it's really not easy to work like that. My intention has been to then hand the re-themed and content-filled website back to the SC and the community on January 10, 2011, and then get feedback from you all, and then implement changes that clearly seem to be wanted. Implementing Nikash' theme [1] [2] has been a lot of work for me. I've worked from the screenshot, produced all the graphics under Photoshop, sent them to Nikash for his approval and editing. I've started work on the SilverStripe templates and on the CSS stylesheets, and have been putting all of that on the SilverStripe sandbox that Christian provided me at http://188.40.32.145:7780/ (work is still much in progress). Christian gave me a go for the theme, setting certain size constraints [1] [2]. Florian said that he'd accept whatever Christian decided. Bernhard gave me a "kind-of" go. Charles gave me a go, if I understood correctly. Ultimately, I'm not really sure what Christoph's position was. So, let me ask you the first question: a) Do I have broad consensus of permission from you for this January 10 handover? Or should I accept that you all jump in as from now, and change things the way you want? b) Are you happy with the content I've developed (and am still continuing to develop)? Or am I going in a wrong direction? c) Do I really have a green light from the SC for this theme [1] [2]? It's a heck of a lot of work and, if I do it, I want to be *sure* that it is going to be used for the libreoffice.org site. So do I have a go or a no-go? Please do give me clear explicit answers from you all. TIA. ;-) [1] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Nik [2] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/cgi_img_auth.php/b/bc/SPECS_InterimSite_101224NS.jpg David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year
Hi, :-) I second the seasonal greetings to all. ;-) And to you, Florian, I wish you a happy and restful time. You have put great energy and work into giving leadership and guidance to the community, and don't think that we are not aware of it. You do indeed deserve some moments of quiet pride and satisfaction in what you have put into the project. Let's *all work hard* in 2011 to make the values of Free Open Source Software thrive. David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] presentation templates for LibreOffice
Hi, :-) On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 15:55, Florian Effenberger wrote: > I would leave that decision up to the you. If it is not cluttering the page, > why not. I just want to avoid we become an ad-loaded site ;) No worries about space. We currently have *little* info to offer about templates, so it's a welcome addition. Can you give me the link please? ;-) David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] presentation templates for LibreOffice
Hi, :-) On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 22:44, Florian Effenberger wrote: > I would promote this with a note to our mailing lists (not announce, no PR) > and a post to Twitter and Facebook, and maybe the XING group. Can I put a link on the website? David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[libreoffice-marketing] Re: [Libreoffice] Features list
Hi Sophie, :-) Thanks for that, I will include them on the site ASAP. ;-) David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[libreoffice-marketing] SilverStripe site progress review
Hi, :-) As you know, I'm currently leading the content creation on the SilverStripe site. I'm putting in hours of work everyday, and it's making great progress. I had planned that it would be ready for Tuesday, December 14, but I think it's more realistic to say that this is going to take another 3 or 4 days. But I am not going to stop work before all pages of the IA I have set up all have content. By Christmas Eve, I am determined that the site will be LIVE and visible on http://libreoffice.org. When the basic content is up on all pages, there will be a period of 24 to 48 hours maximum for you all to make suggestions and comments, after which I will act on the feedback. I will then request Florian to go ahead and roll out the live site. Right now, I am asking you to provide content for specific pages RAPIDLY within the next 48 hours (it is currently 22:00 CET on Tuesday, December 14 2010). Please take a look at http://test.libreoffice.org. There is a whole lot more content there already. There is already a page under Features, but I am asking you to submit me content by e-mail for the following sub-pages: - Writer - Draw - Impress - Draw - Base - Math - Extensions For each component, I need a rundown of the features and advantages. All content produced for these pages can later be transferred to a Drupal site, if a changeover takes place, so this is not wasted work. I am really asking you to pull together as LibreOffice team members, because the project and the community *urgently* needs this site up and running *now*. If I don't get content submitted within 48 hours, I will simply have to write it myself. *Please* do not mention Drupal issues in this thread, and please do *not* turn it into a debate. I just want to hear practical offers of help and discussions of the details thereof. No OT posts please. No matter what, I am going to make this site ready for launch in the coming days. On Christmas Eve, our present to the project and the community is going to be a live, living site. Let's work together to make that happen. ;-) David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Making a few web buttons
Hi Drew, :-) On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 05:01, drew wrote: > Hi David, > > After another run at just logos I'll put together a quick set from the > list above and put up a page with links for review (just the basic > grahpic style, not with an CSS..for tonight). > > Tomorrow I can be on IRC and work on this most all day, time wise, so > could turn around a real set of graphics with your feedback I would > think. I haven't actually done the style using CSS for the text, have > seen it explained in a couple of cookbook articles. I can give it a go, > don't feel bad if you have to correct me on technique there, it won't > bother me. > > ALso - I just now signed up for the Design mailing list - so next email > on this will be there. OK > > Drew That's really cool, Drew, thanks. I will make sure I'm on the #documentfoundation IRC. We can also do Skype, if you prefer - then we could do voice and probably communicate faster... Either way, just buzz me when you're around. ;-) David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Making a few web buttons
Hi Drew, :-) > Some grahpics for use on LibreOffice specific web pages - License for these > is CC3 http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/ Are you requiring attribution, or can your work be used without? David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Making a few web buttons
Hi Drew, Bernhard, :-) The buttons I envision needing by Monday would be as follows: 1) Button for a link to the Planet RSS feed; 2) Button for a link to the Blog RSS feed; 3) Button for a link to the LibO Twitter page; 4) Button for a link to the #documentfoundation IRC; 5) Button for a link to the #libreoffice IRC; 6) Button for a link to the "Get Involved" page; 7) Button for a link to the documentfoundation.org site; 8) Button for a link to the "Features" page; 9) Button for a link to the "Get Help" page. My recommendation would be: 1) have the above buttons in .png format (with source files from Gimp or Inkscape, or just .svg files); 2) make them no wider than 150px or (max) 200px (no particular constraints for height, except all should be the same height); 3) consider not having the text embedded in the button, but placed on top via HTML and CSS (although a submission could include both, so that I can make a choice when doing the page); 4) comply with the marketing/design colors and guidelines. If you feel like taking on this task on Sunday or Monday, it would be great. If you don't have time then no problem and I will do it myself. (Just for info, following today's SC meeting, I have a remit to work on the site pages by myself until Tuesday, implementing the ideas I worked on with Italo. On Tuesday, I present/content the site to the website team/world for comments, for 24 hours, and then I take account of those comments within 24 hours, before handing back the site to the marketing/design/website teams. The target is to have the site theoretically [and effectively] ready to roll out by Thursday.) What do you think? David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibO Logo
Hi, :-) On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 22:53, Lucas Filho wrote: > It would be interesting to launch an online vote to the proposal that we > already > have? (We can fit all the logos on the wiki so that s for a vote - > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding/Ideas) ... > > With this we will strengthen the image more collaborative we propose for our > users. > > I will then send a draft of a mascot that used in our social network for > evaluation. +1 David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Mailing list des...@... for Design Team
Hi, :-) On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 19:26, Michael Wheatland wrote: > I hope this helps clear things up. Yes, thanks, sounds great. ;-) David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Mailing list des...@... for Design Team
Hi, :-) On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 16:46, David Nelson wrote: > On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 10:32, Michael Wheatland > wrote: >> We have forums being constructed with the official LibreOffice drupal >> website which will also support mailing list interaction. > > Little question: does the forums module have list-to forums and > forums-to-list functionality? Personally, I much prefer forums but, > for a few people and some situations, the mailing lists are a useful > way to stay in touch with things - when you're traveling, and only > have a lowish-end cellphone, for example... Sorry, I should have been clearer: I was asking about the forums software being adopted for the Drupal-base site... David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Mailing list des...@... for Design Team
Hi, :-) On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 10:32, Michael Wheatland wrote: > We have forums being constructed with the official LibreOffice drupal > website which will also support mailing list interaction. Little question: does the forums module have list-to forums and forums-to-list functionality? Personally, I much prefer forums but, for a few people and some situations, the mailing lists are a useful way to stay in touch with things - when you're traveling, and only have a lowish-end cellphone, for example... David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Logo/mascot competition
Hi Thorsten, :-) I have understood that you don't favor the idea of a competition. I did read your blog posts on the subject [1] [2]. There *are* people who disagree with you: "In open source we have traditionally ran such contests, so in reality Thorsten is putting forward the controversial idea.. ;-)" [3] You do seem to be a little dogmatic on the subject: "We need to shout it loud and clear that spec work should not be affiliated, is not related to, and will not be tolerated with the Open Source / Free Software movement." [2] But please stop "shouting" about it here, because people do have a right to discuss ideas even if you don't agree with what they're saying. Also, please don't introduce an emotive, personal element into what is purely an intellectual debate. (In any case, this thread does not commit TDF to any course of action.) If you don't want to read it, feel free to hit the delete button. ;-) Actually, IMHO, your own blog post points-up one very good reason for at least giving consideration to *some* form of contest: "If you just let things happen in a collaborative project with design/artwork needs, you will likely see a few people creating proposals that mostly cover the same ground. They all will base there work on their own assumptions regarding various aspects of the project." [1] I thoroughly agree with one of the statements you made: "A collaborative project should have a documented mission statement/vision/set of goals." [1] So, any process with some kind of competitive/comparative aspect to it would need to be carefully designed and planned beforehand. There's nothing wrong with creating a wiki page on the subject, to develop further thinking about it. But I do hope you read my previous posts as carefully as I read yours. In which case you will understand *why* I posted in response to Florian's invitation to go ahead and create a wiki page, and you will *remember* that I actually suggested that it should be someone else that makes the first move. To quote a line from the movie K-PAX, "To quote a line from Navarro, my dear Doctor, you need to chill." ;-) IMHO, your preceding couple of posts are OT. Please allow people a little freedom of speech and of thought? Can we just leave this thread open to people who might like to explore the original topic further? It's a pity you're so "anti" the idea, because your expertise would have been valuable in arriving at something well thought-out and organized. :-( To anyone who might reply that, "Anyway, there is definitely not going to be any kind of competition," I'd reply that a) it's a pity to make definitive declarations about something before having examined a mature and fully-formed proposal, and that b) it seems a little out of place to make such authoritative statements as yet when so much about the LibO project is still unclear and ambiguous. I don't intend to reply to anything further that bears any kind of resemblance to trolling, flaming, discourtesy or unfriendliness (it might be relevant to read what the draft TDF statutes have to say about such forms of behavior). I will be perfectly willing to take part in discussion that is measured and courteous in its tone and content. :-) I hope you can understand my POV... :-) Can we please reset, and resume the original subject? [1] http://thorwil.wordpress.com/2010/03/09/design-in-collaborative-projects/ [2] http://troy-sobotka.blogspot.com/2010/01/specs-and-contests-we-all-lose.html [3] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-art/2010-November/012593.html David Nelson -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Logo/mascot competition
Hi, :-) On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 20:39, Florian Effenberger wrote: > I just spotted the question whether you can use the wiki, and sure, you can > do so. :-) OK, thanks. And the lists, too? ;-) David Nelson -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Logo/mascot competition
Hi, :-) On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 20:13, Thorsten Wilms wrote: > This is getting really tiresome. Sorry, Thorsten. We'll all write to you for prior approval before writing to the lists. :-D There *were* actually some people who liked the competition idea. ;-) David Nelson -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Logo/mascot competition
Hi, :-) On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 01:02, Florian Effenberger wrote: > Hi David, > > David Nelson wrote on 2010-11-15 09.25: >> >> @Christoph/Florian: could we set-up a wiki page for this? I'd could >> organize and develop the concept. We can draft rules and requirements. >> As a spin-off benefit, we can develop formal specifications for >> exactly what artwork we need. We can accumulate a list of means of >> publicizing the competition, etc. It would be a great way to start >> concretely learning from John and the Ubuntu guys. > > sure, feel free to use the wiki - I see no problems. :) > > Florian I had thought that this thread was going to go dead after my last post, but I see that it wasn't *quite* the case. But I'd like to see whether investigating the organization of a logo/mascot competition really has any uptake among the people reading this thread. So my idea is that someone else should start the ball rolling, by creating a wiki page and drafting an outline and a few ideas. If somebody does that, then I'll certainly jump in and help develop the initiative further, and maybe we can then ask our "visiting" friends from Ubuntu Artwork to see what they can contribute, too. Any takers? ;-) David Nelson -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Logo/mascot competition
Hi, :-) I've been watching this thread accumulate some responses to the idea of a logo competition, and I also had responses in a couple of off-list messages, so I guess one could say that I've been answered. To summarize: "No - in any case, certainly not at this time. Maybe a narrower process involving a small selection of designers, basically within an in-project design team, possibly giving rise to a few variants to be chosen from." In any case, I'm glad there's fresh input from the people taking an interest from Ubuntu Artwork. John and Thorsten both seem to favor an organized and methodical approach [1] and, IMHO, that would be very beneficial. I hope their involvement is going to be a regular, on-going thing. Anyway, I'll be looking forward to seeing what this all produces. :-) David Nelson [1] http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Briefing-td1909896.html#a1909896 -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Logo/mascot competition
Hi, :-) Thorsten, I will let this thread sit and, hopefully, catch responses for a couple of days, and then I'll write back with answers. Thank you for having replied. David Nelson -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] Logo/mascot competition
Hi list, :-) I'm really happy to have started up the contact with Ubuntu Artwork, and very grateful for the kind and positive response from John Baer, Shane Fagan and others. @TDF guys: I'd like to make one last plea for my idea of a logo/mascot competition (if you have clear arguments against it, I'll drop the subject). IMHO, the advantages of organizing a competition are this: 1) By sourcing ideas from the world at large, we can accumulate a large range of choices. It worked for OOo's Otto the seagull, it can work for us. From the little contact-building I've been doing, I can feel there's a large number of artists that would respond. We could really develop some superb branding. 2) It would be a good opportunity for publicizing the TDF/LibO project. I have lots of ideas and energy for this, and I'm sure we can get the Web buzzing about us again. It could be developed into a superb marketing opportunity. 3) We can certainly attract quite a few new contributors to the LibO project, in artwork/marketing and in other areas. And we can demonstrate our commitment to openness, community-building and meritocracy. 4) We can capitalize on the contact we've made with Ubuntu Artwork; if they're willing, they can "foster" us in this to some extent, and LibO participants can learn and develop a lot of good workflow methods and practices from an experienced and successful "big brother" project. It will also develop and strengthen this new relationship. 5) By doing this in some kind of "association" (to be defined) with Ubuntu, there can be beneficial publicity for both projects. And for the FOSS world in general. FOSS projects need to work together, and we need to breakdown some of the "ideology" splits and barriers that have been such a negative brake to widespread adoption and development of FOSS. This is a good way to promote that kind of positive thinking. We can work the Inkscape and Gimp projects into this. *Everyone* comes out a winner. @Christoph/Florian: could we set-up a wiki page for this? I'd could organize and develop the concept. We can draft rules and requirements. As a spin-off benefit, we can develop formal specifications for exactly what artwork we need. We can accumulate a list of means of publicizing the competition, etc. It would be a great way to start concretely learning from John and the Ubuntu guys. OK, I'm ready to listen to all ideas against this. :-) But I'm really hoping this is going to fire your imaginations, the way it does mine. ;-) David Nelson -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Fleeing the paper airplane : )
Hi Lucas, :-) On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 06:09, Lucas Filho wrote: > Link: > http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/1edssHp4gS39yD05za08SA?feat=directlink > > P.S: someone could put on the wiki? I tried but was giving error creating my > account. I uploaded your graphics but, IMHO, you should mail me a larger version... This one is a bit small, and one doesn't see it as clearly as one should... http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Ideas#Lucas_Filho.27s_designs David Nelson -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] A home for all ... topics :-)
Hi, :-) On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 21:55, Christoph Noack wrote: > Please have a look at it and comment on: > * Is it helpful at all? Might this become something "official" to > coordinate our Marketing / Design Team work? > * Is there something missing? +1 for adoption... It's a more-organized way of doing things and seeing what's in progress. Maybe we could add something regarding a possible logo/mascot competition? IMHO, there are sufficient justifications to at least give it a place on the agenda for "official" disgussion... David Nelson -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Logo Enhancements
Hi, :-) On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 20:54, Ian Lynch wrote: > Otto the seagull was the work of a 16 year old and was originated by a > competition for school children organised by myself and Daniel Carrera. > Perhaps a bit different in context but that seemed to work quite well for > the schools project at the time. Gained quite a lot of publicity - try > putting Otto OpenOffice.org into Google. That's really cool, Ian. Would it be possible to do something like that again, for LibO? > If you run a competition you can have a get out clause which reserves the > right not to use any of the entries. Oh, sure. And require provision of all source files, with the necessary rights. Plus, use of Open Source software and free fonts for the production. It's important that the selected artwork be maintainable and develop-able in the future. Hopefully, the artist would be or would become a team member. But, even if not, one can use and adapt someone else's work if that work satisfies the important criteria from the outset... We'd just have to figure out a reasonable set of rules. 0.2 cents. David Nelson -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Logo Enhancements
Hi Graham, I'll just add this parting thought: Actually, I enjoy a good debate but, IMHO, long OT posts in threads pollute and dilute the useful information the threads sometimes contain. When one has ideas that need lengthy explanation, and that aren't central to the original subject, maybe a better approach is to have one's blog somewhere and post articles there, which one can then link to (succinctly) in one's mailing list posts. Then the subsequent discussion can take place in the comments thread after the article. Just my 0.2 cents. ;-) David Nelson -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Logo Enhancements
Hi Graham, :-) On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 19:43, Graham Lauder wrote: > I take it then, given that you haven't rebutted any of my points that you now > agree with them, or are you simply of the school that ignores any opposing > view to your own No, it means I don't have the time to get into pointless arguments. I like to express my ideas and, maybe, to clarify them if they seem to be misunderstood. But people are free to disagree with me - I try to avoid being dogmatic about things. My ambition in this project would be to make a tangible contribution of some sort, not to be debating endlessly on mailing lists. ;-) David Nelson -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] [Libreoffice] logos..?
Hi, :-) [1] Wiki page: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Ideas [2] LibreOffice beta 2: http://www.documentfoundation.org/download/ [3] Branding info: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding David Nelson -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] [Libreoffice] logos..?
Hi Sebastien, :-) On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 16:45, Sebastien Delvaux wrote: > So, i heard you needed some logos (program, wiki?), i am not sure if i well > understood but anyways... i would need a few snapshots of the app, i also > think i heard you need a linux style penguin, i'll see what i can do. > S. Delvaux > Sebas IDesign > Programming & Graphics You heard right! :-) We're looking for a logo for LibreOffice... for the software and for the website. And it would be great to have a mascot - Something as good as Linux's Tux the penguin. And then we'd have to develop mime icons. You can see some of the current proposals at [1]. You can download the LibreOffice beta 2 version at [2]. If you have any questions, just write to the list here and we'll be glad to help. Feel free to post artwork at [1], or to mail it to me and I can post it for you in your name. Thanks! ;-) For clarification: Salut, Sebastien! Oui, on a besoin d'un logo pour nos sites, et aussi pour le logiciel LibreOffice. Ce serait super d'avoir une mascotte, tout comme Linux a Tux, le petit manchot. En ce qui concerne le logiciel, on aurait besoin d'un logo ainsi qu'un ensemble d'icônes MIME pour les differents types de fichier exploite par le soft. Les propositions actuelles sont visibles a l'adresse [1]. Le logiciel LibreOffice beta 2 peut etre telecharge a l'adresse [2]. Toute question peut etre envoye a cette liste de distribution. Votre travail peut etre mis en ligne a l'adresse [1], ou vous pouvez me l'envoyer par mel et je le mettrai sur le wiki moi-meme a votre nom. Merci ! ;-) David Nelson -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [COMMUNICATION] Better conferencing? (was: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: [DESIGN] Do we need a separate mailing list for artwork/usability/branding...?)
Hi, :-) On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 05:17, Christoph Noack wrote: >> I also thought that Skype chats would be a good alternative until I >> realized that I had forgotten the "mantra" that I was trying to >> perform on the lists where ever needed: "many of our users have only >> dial-up or mobile phone connections. It's true that this is a consideration not to lose sight of. But many "Web 2.0" possibilities are out of range for these people. Yet, happily, not the conference calls, however. > Very good point! A mailing list is something which does not only work > for people with "low bandwidth", but also with (temporarily) no Internet > connection at all. Many people I know, do work on emails and such stuff > when away from home (sitting in a train, on the way to their day > jobs, ...). This "work offline" requirement had already been mentioned > by Bernhard. Point taken... But then it's preferable for people to maintain good "posting discipline" in all respects (proper quoting, etc.). There are people on this list that need frequent reminding about that... ;-) > Another thing to have in mind is, that some people do feel uncomfortable > when using certain communication channels. For example, in Germany > people usually are a bit more cautious when large companies process / > own a lot of data (Facebook, Google ... just to name a few). For them it > is important to "own" the data. Yes, this is an important consideration, and a complex topic. But it would be there even if TDF installed OpenMeeting "in-house"... Possibly more so, in fact, because when the info/interaction is via "public" services such as Google Apps, Skype, etc., TDF and participants are accepting the provider's terms of service, and the onus of responsibility weighs a *little* less on TDF? It's a subject that could become a long and involved discussion... > Quite a number of wishes, or? Well, there is a project that I've been > watching since some time ... OpenMeetings [1]. Today, I gave the demo a > try (again) and everything worked flawlessly - so might this be > something that drives collaboration? In my opinion: Yes. It's a terrific-looking tool, and could be a very good solution... subject to addressing the above-mentioned legal/ethical issues. > This may improve things for the website team, the marketing team, the > design team, ... What do you think? +1... Thanks for the interesting idea/links. :-) David Nelson -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Logo Enhancements
Hi Graham, :-) On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 06:24, Graham Lauder wrote: > I'm sorry I'm having difficulty debating this in real time, my right arm is > still in plaster so it's a little hard to keep up, plaster off on wednesday > hopefully. :) Thanks for your thoughts. You seem to be managing fine. I'm sure we'll be able to get the full benefit of your long experience once you can type with two hands again. ;-) David Nelson -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] Logo proposal: Zebra
Hi, :-) I'm forwarding this message from a Debian community member interested in working on a log for LibreOffice. "Tv.debian", thanks very much for your interest, and for responding to my post on the Debian Desktop list. :-) I've posted your graphic on the LibO marketing ideas page. The best thing would be to sign up for the LibO marketing mailing list at [1] and then write to the list and introduce yourself. Meanwhile, I've uploaded your graphic to the wiki (40% scale) [2]. Maybe you'd like to sign up for an account on the wiki and add a few words description. If you'd like to develop the idea further, feel free to upload updates to the wiki. :-) [1] Send a blank message to this address and you'll be mailed instructions: marketing+subscr...@libreoffice.org [2] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Ideas#Tv.debian.27s_designs David Nelson -- Forwarded message -- I just read this message on the Debian list, and it prompted me to put together some artwork, I hope you can relay it if you think it's of any interest. I don't pretend to be an artists and this is just meant to serve as a mock-up to offer the zebra as a possible LibO mascot. I know the graphics probably violates a dozen of the existing LibO graphical guidelines which I intend to look up in the coming days (!)... Just focus on that cool zebra for now. Why the Zebra ? I like Zebras, they are highly adaptable animals, they are free spirited and have never been truly domesticated. The hierarchy system inside the herds is often loose, even the herds doesn't have a very strict form, but in case of danger or attack all individuals will come together to defend themselves and protect the foals. Marty the zebra from the "Madagascar" animation picture is the one who starts it all, he is the one who can't stand the artificial comfort of the zoo walled garden, and triggers the adventure which set the heroes free. I think Marty tells us something, and my son loves him ;-). On a practical side, Wikipedia [1] says "The unique stripes and behaviours of zebras make these among the animals most familiar to people", yes zebras are popular, recognized by people and child in many cultures. They are also associated with good values like speed, endurance, freedom. On the graphical front zebras rock, they are highly contrasted and can be recognised even on the tiniest icon. They are easily declined in any colour and bear a "pop-art" touch that never gets hold. I just attached a bitmap export of a few models I have made, all work is done in svg format in Inkscape. The zebra has been vectorised from one of my personal pictures, only using free programs (XSane, Gimp, potrace, Inkscape on a Debian GNU-Linux system). I borrowed and adapted svg icons from the KDE Oxygen theme and from Opencliparts, there is no material under non-free licences in the graphics and all sources are available in svg format. Off course I would be happy to donate any part of this graphics to TDF and LibO. Take care, you are free to pass this mail address to anyone LibreOffice related to contact me if needed. [1] https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Zebra Note: I am on Paris/Oslo time zone. -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Logo Enhancements
Hi, :-) IMHO, it would be a good idea to have a competition for the logo choice. It's a good way of attracting new contributors. And aren't Open Source projects supposed to be founded on meritocracy? One of the rules of entry could be that, if their work wins, entrants should be willing to contribute to LibO/TDF in the long-term, and be part of the process of developing and maintaining their material. I agree that a "hit-and-run" win is not beneficial for the project. But the contact-building I've started with Linux distributions tells me that there are quite a few people out there who'd be willing to do work for LibO. 0.2 cents. David Nelson -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Logo Enhancements
Hi, :-) On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 17:16, Johannes Bausch wrote: > And when we're at it: Can we sit down and make a LibO logo contest? > With a deadline? I suggest the following: +1 for a contest. IMHO, 3 or 4 weeks would be more realistic than 2. But, again IMHO, it will be very difficult to organize in the current state of project governance. David Nelson -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: [DESIGN] Do we need a separate mailing list for artwork/usability/branding...?
Hi, :-) On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 12:19, Marc Paré wrote: > Le 2010-11-12 22:04, Michael Wheatland a écrit : >>> >>> Why re-invent the wheel? >>> - David >> >> Because google has announced it will be removing the wheel before the >> end of next year. >> Google has also open sourced the blueprints for the wheel and made it >> very easy to construct your own wheel. >> >> http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/jalopnik/2009/03/Missing_Wheel.jpg >> http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/08/update-on-google-wave.html >> > > Many people found Wave too confusing and the learning curve was still to > steep for regular users. I belong to groups who tried and it was abandoned. > I think Wave was trying to be too much of a cooperative "Swiss army knife" > and forgot that people want simplicity. Google Wave was just a possibility mentioned; I'm not even sure if it would be a popular choice. It's a great tool, but involves a bit of a learning curve for many people. The public Wave service was discontinued earlier this year, IIRC. But it is still offered as a Labs product in Google Apps (I'm talking about Google Apps for domains and organizations). However, whether or not Wave lives on, I feel that Google Apps has a number of other extremely useful tools that TDF/LibO could use, and it was more those wheels I was suggesting that we don't re-invent. :-) David Nelson -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ubuntu Artwork Team
Hi John, hi Thorsten :-) On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 17:44, Thorsten Wilms wrote: > I think such requests and specifications should be managed inside the > LibreOffice project. > > (The concept of a project-neutral online platform for managing assets, > requests for artwork/design, structured design processes ... has been > floating around and discussed at UDS a little bit.) First of all, a big welcome to the list, and a very big thanks for having responded to my contact-making. During the marketing conference call on November 11, we discussed bridge-building with Linux distributions, as well as the kind and helpful responses we had from the Ubuntu Artwork group. Speaking personally, but not in any kind of official capacity as regards TDF, I hope that this is going to be just the start of a long-lasting relationship between the LibreOffice community and Ubuntu. At the present time, there is still much organization work to be done within TDF/LibO, and we will perhaps be able to respond to you more meaningfully very soon. I, for one, undertake to follow-up with you, John, Thorsten and the Ubuntu Artwork project, in the very near future. David Nelson -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] [DESIGN] Do we need a separate mailing list for artwork/usability/branding...?
Hi, :-) On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 19:56, Michael Wheatland wrote: > A 'Wave' is an open source federated communication protocol. In > 'non-geeklish' we can install a wave server on our server and use > either a web based client or desktop clients to access the server. > This is a great idea. I will float the idea in the website mailing > list and see what kind of response I get. Actually, Michael, I feel that TDF could actually lighten its workload quite a bit by relying on outside services from robust sources such as Google for quite a few things, and would then be able to focus its efforts on deploying and maintaining those things for which it really feels the effort is worthwhile, such as the blog and the wiki. Google Apps provides Wave - and lots of other useful collaboration facilities. Why re-invent the wheel? 0.2 cents. ;-) David Nelson -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] [DESIGN] Do we need a separate mailing list for artwork/usability/branding...?
P.S. If it's not already done, I'd recommend that TDF set-up Google Apps for documentfoundation.org and/or libreoffice.org. There's a host of really useful stuff for collaboration, etc. Plus you can fulfill your mail needs without busting your heads configuring and maintaining a mail server. David Nelson -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] [DESIGN] Do we need a separate mailing list for artwork/usability/branding...?
Hi, :-) On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 07:57, Bernhard Dippold wrote: > I agree that it is not easy to follow the threads on the topics you mention, > but from our experience with the OOo Art project and even more the Branding > Initiative there are important topics to be shared between the "general > marketing" guys and the "designers/artist" working on branding and visual > design. My idea would be that we shouldn't get *too* granular about this. I'd see two lists: 1) Marketing (event organization, flyers, templates, certification planning/design, etc) and 2) Artwork (technical graphics, branding graphics, mime graphics, UX, UI, etc). Obviously, there are quite a few subjects of overlapping interest, so having just two lists makes it easier for people to monitor both but primarily contribute to the list more central to their particular area of expertise. > Perhaps it could be a compromise to add dedicated [TAG]s to the subject of > artwork, UX and design related topics, so they can be found very easily > while not leaving the marketing list. Tags depend on *posting discipline*, and this seems to break down fairly quickly after one lays down the ground rules... Further to the discussions during to the conference call, my POV concerning "communications channels" is that lists don't make a good information storage medium. People quote badly, people go OT, people rant, and ideas and info easily get lost in the noise. They *can* be good for brainstorming. But very soon after each important thread reaches a natural conclusion, someone needs to collate and summarize the results and then post them to the wiki. Really, personally, I prefer forums. I know different people have different preferences, though. (Google Wave is also great for brainstorming, in many ways, but takes some getting used to, and also demands "posting discipline".) It's useful to have an "IM" medium, too, as a complement for the above. IMHO, communal Skype chats are better than IRC: easier for many people to access and use. Plus a great feature of Skype chats is that you can *unsay and edit* your posts when you say something stupid/incorrect/regrettable. I really enjoy the conference calls, and feel that those discussions facilitate good communication and enable quick arrival at a conclusion about the topic under discussion (*providing* that people maintain good discipline). I'd definitely like to see these continue regularly. HTH. 0.2 cents. :-) David Nelson -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: LibO Slogan
Hi, :-) "Do what you want" David Nelson -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] About Jens Habermann's fine artwork
Hi, :-) On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 05:54, Bernhard Dippold wrote: > For small graphics and icons it might be too detailed if it would be used as > our main logo. As an additional graphic it might work, even if I don't feel > comfortable with tentacles around the corners of my documents... (wrong > association - quite the opposite to "libre") I'll post some re-sized versions on the wiki, so we can get an idea of how Septipus looks at diffent sizes. I suspect he might become difficult to clearly distinguish at sizes below 32x32px. (Or 48x48px?) Whether or not Septipus could become the project's prime logo is a something we'd need to sound out here on the marketing/artwork list. (And also maybe with our end users on the [tdf-discuss]/user support lists, too?) However, Septipus could be a great central figure for the LibO starter pane, either as a side graphic or else right in the middle, with a tentacle pointing to each app or icon in the starter pane. Maybe the apps could be in a kind-of circular arrangement around him. Ultimately, I'd suggest naming this mascot LibO. 0.2 cents. David Nelson -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] About Jens Habermann's fine artwork
Hi Jens, :-) I like your septipus :-) [1] The seven tentacles remind me of the different applications packaged in LibO. This character is one that, IMHO, will easily stay in people's minds, too. And it has all the other possibilities of a "living" mascot. Nice job! Great start, Jens! :-) 1) So that can *become* the logo in its own right? 2) Or else, in large graphics, could one integrate it inside the sheet of paper? 3) Or will Septipus wrap his tentacles *around* the paper sheet? [1] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Ideas#Jonata.27s_logo.2Fmime_artwork_proposal David Nelson -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Welcome to marketing@libreoffice.org
Hi Andy, :-) Like you, I'm quite new here. IMHO, the best thing is to join a few of the mailing lists, have a look around on the wiki, and wait until you see something that irritates you and makes you want to do something towards changing it. Documentation? Advocacy? Are you interested in developing content for http://test.documentfoundation.org? Get involved in marketing? Organize an install fest? Design graphics (think logo or mascot}? Develop templates? Anyway, welcome onboard. HTH. :-) David Nelson On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 04:12, Andy Rogers wrote: > Dear LibreOffice Marketing Mailing List > > Im newish to the mailing list for LibreOffice, but I would like to offer > some help with LibreOffice in some shape or form going forward (but not > programming at the moment). > > Basically I have been using Linux (mainly ubuntu) for the past 2+ Years and > have been looking at trying to get involved in a project to give something > back to the Linux community moving forward. > > I have a very good inside advance of computers in general, and use them day > in and day out and this is my number 1 passion in life, and also Linux as my > main operating system. > > I mainly come from an administration background in work, but am moving more > and more to my preferred role as IT becomes more utilised in my work place. > > If you could suggest some areas which I can assist in longterm, or > suggestions, or have any questions or need any more information please email > me. > Im not to sure of how best to start the LibreOffice community but am open > for direction to the correct people etc. > > Thanks > > Andy > > On 10 November 2010 20:02, > >> wrote: > >> Welcome! You have been subscribed to the >> >> marketing@libreoffice.org >> >> mailinglist. >> >> To unsubscribe send a message to: >> >> marketing+unsubscr...@libreoffice.org >> >> And for help send a message to: >> >> marketing+h...@libreoffice.org >> >> >> > > -- > E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to > unsubscribe > List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ > All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted > > -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Res: Res: Re: Change icon?
Hi Ben, :-) On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 22:47, Benjamin Horst wrote: > Have you tried-- http://www.libregraphicsmeeting.org/2010/ Thanks for that link. I'll check it out and see what I can harvest from it. If you happen to think of more, don't hesitate to give a heads-up. ;-) David Nelson -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Res: Res: Re: Change icon?
Hi, :-) I'm hoping that we'll hear back soon from Lucas about the concept he suggested, and I just feel that it would be nice to be supportive of him in the further development of his idea, with constructive discussion, so that it can be placed before TDF for consideration. ;-) David Nelson -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Res: Res: Re: Change icon?
Hi Alex, :-) On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 19:29, Alexander Thurgood wrote: > BTW, I am a lawyer, specialising in intellectual property. While I don't have any obsession with this paper plane concept, it's the only mascot proposal I've yet heard, so I'm just interested to follow the idea through to its logical conclusion: adoption or rejection by the TDF guys. La Poste's logo is actually a bird... any suggestion that it's a plane - paper or otherwise - is actually erroneous. Since *you* are a lawyer and an intellectual property specialist, would there be any chance that *you* could maybe check the copyright status out for us? A big thanks on behalf of the community if so... ;-) David Nelson -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Res: Res: Re: Change icon?
Hi Alex, :-) Thanks for your time on that... I guess that puts a stopper on the paper plane mascot idea then? David Nelson -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Res: Res: Re: Change icon?
Hi Ivan, :-) I understood what you meant. It's a good idea, and I'll bear that in mind. Meanwhile, if anyone else has any other suggestions, please do chip in. David Nelson -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Res: Res: Re: Change icon?
Hi, :-) I'm proactively contacting people with graphic design skills, to try and attract them to join the LibO project. My current source for possible contributors is http://www.csszengarden.com/, where there's a lot of beautiful work showcased. Has anyone got any suggestions about sites and ways to locate potential talents? David Nelson -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Res: Res: Re: Change icon?
Hi, :-) They can certainly copyright their particular version. However, IANAL, but I don't think they can copyright the whole concept of a paper plane in general. Anyway, La Poste? Those guys can hardly stagger out of bed in the morning... I'd be surprised if there would be a problem... Anyway, their logo is in fact a bird, not a plane... David Nelson -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] About Jens Habermann's fine artwork
Hi again, Jens, :-) May I ask what fonts you're using for 1.1 and for 1.3.1 in [1]? [1] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Ideas#CMS_.2F_Logo_draft David Nelson -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] About Jens Habermann's fine artwork
P.S. Any chance you could also post your source files, so that one could grab a copy and maybe play around with them? Or will you do that when TDF has chosen a final version that is totally world-ready? David Nelson -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] About Jens Habermann's fine artwork
Hi Jens, :-) Thanks for the numbering and the patient ear. On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 05:28, Jens Habermann wrote: > I am doing already some mascot sketches, but I think a mascot is more an > addon. I personally think an > office package need some stylish minimal logo on the desktop, but having a > mascot on a fair for > example would be great. For now I don´t like my mascot drafts - a good mascot > is difficult :-) > as I wrote some time ago: a mascot is more an evolving process... Yes, it's true that it's notoriously difficult to come up with that magic winner. Nor indeed is a mascot the *only* possible approach, although you undoubtedly noticed my enthusiasm for one. I think I might post to the users list later, and try sounding out our user base to see if that brings any interesting ideas. Since TDF is currently going with a sheet of paper, could it perhaps grow arms and legs, and maybe some kind of face? Any way to make that folded corner a bit "softer" so that it morphs into a persona more easily? (Although, technically, that's much easier to say than to achieve.) TDF guys, how about a competition/challenge on the front page of the main site, or somewhere else appropriate on the Internet? Reactions? Feel free to assign me any footwork you want in that respect. You will probably have noted that I'm looking around for other creative brains to add proposals to the mascot quest. Jens, to give you some feedback to fuel your creative thought process: I love the "Office" word in 1.2 to 1.4, with the continuation of that styling in the paper sheet. The font is a real winner; I like the downward sloping line of those elements. For me, that's something to stay with and keep. The 2-tone gray softens the overall visual. Really nice. It has a sophisticated look to it, and will work in lots of contexts/settings. Whereas I find the paper sheet in 1.1 is a little stark and simplistic when seen on a white background at that large-ish size, that version will work well and be clearly distinguishable at small sizes. Same comments for that font - it's easily readable, yet gives a needed little break with conventionality. Perhaps we could have a set of different-colored versions to make it usable on all colors of backdrop? Coming back to 1.2 to 1.4: The "Libre" word obviously expresses "liberty and freedom". So I visualize a font that looks done by a human hand (I'm thinking something calligraphic/script-ish but perhaps *not* too regular and perfectly formed). Plus, I imagine something with attitude, confidence, unconventionality and a little fizzaz. Something a bit signature-like? Like it's saying, "Hey, buddy! This might be software but know that it was brought to you by creative, free-thinking, human minds!" The font in 1.2 to 1.4 seems a little spidery to me? Especially at small sizes? OT: I love hanging around in artists' studios and drafting rooms, with the mess, the inks, the paints, the discarded drafts and scribblings, and the whole feel of creativity and outside-the-box, inventive, shifting thought. Please can I have the smell of paint and ink in the logo? Obviously, all the above are my own gut reactions intended purely as constructive fuel for discussion. There's nothing set in stone there. Once more, a big thanks for your work. HTH. :-) David Nelson -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] Re: About Jens Habermann's fine artwork
P.S. I'm a big fan of Ray Larabie's fonts... any of those inspire you? [1] AFAIK, the many free ones would be OK license-wise. [1] http://www.larabiefonts.com/ David Nelson -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] About Jens Habermann's fine artwork
Hi Jens, :-) I've been watching with interest the artwork you've been posting over the weekend on the marketing ideas page [1]. I like the lettering - especially "Logo with some more effects" and "With some organic touch". The "Office" word looks really good. Thanks for you work on this. Couple of small suggestions, if you'll permit: 1) Would it perhaps be an idea to add a numbering to each version, to make them easy to refer to? 2) While it may not be in your current line of thinking, could you possibly be persuaded to do one or two versions of a mascot-type logo (see [2]), just to give us some to look at and reflect on? [1] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Ideas#CMS_.2F_Logo_draft [2] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Ideas#.22Libo.22_mascot Just my 0.2 cents. ;-) David Nelson -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Change icon?
Hi, :-) On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 21:08, Christoph Noack wrote: > Hi David, > Moreover, it would be great if you could link your mail (along with some > paper plane considerations) from within the Marketing Ideas page [1] - > so it doesn't get lost. > [1] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Ideas Done. ;-) http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Ideas#.22Libo.22_mascot David Nelson -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Transparent backgrounds for logos and graphics
Hi Bernhard, :-) On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 09:37, Bernhard Dippold wrote: > On a colored or darker background a white area behind the logo (rounded > corners or even better a rectangle with cut-off right upper corner - we > should create such a logo IMHO) could make sense. Thanks for your thoughts. With my own graphics, I usually like to produce one or more versions with an outer glow... generally white, but it might be interesting to experiment using the project's chosen pallet. I'll try this out in a few days time, and will perhaps post something on the wiki for you guys' consideration if the results look any good to me. David Nelson -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: Res: Res: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Change icon?
Hi Graham, :-) On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 07:59, Graham Lauder wrote: > Have a read of Paul Rand, Rand designed the IBM logo as well as a few other > iconic brands in the US, Westinghouse, UPS and ABC. He is considered the > father of modern branding by many. He explains it better than I can. > > http://www.paul-rand.com/site/thoughts_logosflags/ It is indeed an interesting and enlightening read. Thanks for the link. :-) David Nelson -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Advice Needed
Hi Graham and Ian, :-) Ah, that gives me a better understanding. Thanks for the explanations. Anthony, good luck with your venture. David Nelson -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: RE : Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Advice Needed
Hi, :-) I think it's a pity that TDF isn't planning to work up a revenue stream like paid technical support, in a Canonical style... I would have imagined it could maybe win over more enterprise users, notably, and could help finance the costs of running the project (which voluntary contributions are currently not meeting, apparently). It would be interesting to know why, if someone wanted to take time out to explain... 0.2 cents. David Nelson -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: Res: Res: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Change icon?
Hi, :-) On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 20:06, Graham Lauder wrote: > People will always have different associations for logos and that doesn't > really matter unless it has a high profile attachment to another brand or > similar. Now that I've seen so many other paper plane icons I'm thinking that > it fails because it is not unique. The page with the folded corner is however, > quite unique. +1 for Lucas' paper plane. :-D Personally, the "folded corner" doesn't trigger any such association in my mind. I had to read that in the list to realize that's what it was supposed to be. At least the paper plane looks clearly like what it is. And,IMHO, there weren't *so many* paper plane logos. Plus LibO's is likely to be the most-recognized worldwide. The important thing would be for LibO's paper plane to have its own originality? Plus I feel the concept has a lot of flexibility and open-endedness... Subjective thing. 0.2 cents. ;-) David Nelson -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] Transparent backgrounds for logos and graphics
Hi, :-) Maybe it would be good to produce the project's logo versions and graphics with a version on transparency, rather than with just a white background? Personally, I tend to avoid white backgrounds in my websites and desktop settings because of the glare that is punishing on the eyes after long hours of work... 0.2 cents David Nelson -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: Res: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Change icon?
Hi Lucas, guys, :-) On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 12:12, Lucas Filho wrote: > I did some sketches using the idea of the paper airplane and a small set of > icons, We provide the link [1]. > [1]: http://picasaweb.google.com/lucascoe/Diversos?feat=directlink +1 A 02 +1 B 02 +1 for 01 of http://picasaweb.google.com/lucascoe/Diversos?feat=directlink#slideshow/5529578190029627330 but maybe with paper plane *behind* the lettering rather than in front. But it would also be interesting to also see any other ideas, if you have some in mind. 0.2 cents. ;-) David Nelson -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Website online - question on main structure for art / branding / marketing
Hi, :-) On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 06:44, Bernhard Dippold wrote: > But I'm not really sure for artwork and branding material and definitions. > > There might be three or four possible areas > > http://art.libreoffice.org +1 David Nelson -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Change icon?
Hi Lucas & guys, :-) I didn't find any usage of paper plane logos/graphics that, IMHO, precludes adopting Lucas Filho's idea. The companies/organizations using a paper plane-based logo probably have less name recognition than LibO can potentially acquire. IANAL, but I imagine there wouldn't be any copyright problem, especially if one came up with something having its own originality. In any case, a sheet of paper is a pretty ubiquitous thing, too, so maybe the same issues would apply to TDF's current logo? Below are some quick research results for your consideration. HTH. David Nelson Paper planes research: === Uses a paper plane in their logo: http://paperplane-studio.blogspot.com/ http://paperplane.net/ http://www.paperplane.co.nz/ http://www.paperplane-creative.co.uk/ Uses "paper plane" in their name: http://www.paperplanestudio.com/newfiles/paper.html http://www.paperplanemag.com/ http://www.myspace.com/paperplaneproject http://pubget.com/help/paper_plane http://littlepaperplanes.com/ http://www.paperplane.com.au/ (Drupal logo is their favicon...) http://www.paper-plane.fr/ (cloud graphic as logo) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paper_Planes (might grant permission to use excerpt from their music?) http://www.gotopaperplane.com/ http://www.paperplane.co.nz/ http://paperplaneacademy.com.au/ http://www.paperplane-creative.co.uk/ Uses a paper plane in a prominent graphic: http://paperplane.net/ http://www.funpaperairplanes.com/ http://www.paperplane.com.au/ http://paperplaneacademy.com.au/ Fun stuff about making paper planes: http://www.paperplane.org/ http://www.paperairplanes.co.uk/planes.php http://www.origami-kids.com/ http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2768368762284821227# http://www.amazingpaperairplanes.com/ http://paperairplaneshq.com/ http://www.bestpaperairplanes.com/ http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/theoffice/planes/ -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Marketing the next release
Hi Marc, :-) I'm not sure if you were aware of this, but "MS core fonts" are available for download from SourceForge... HTH. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Core_fonts_for_the_Web David Nelson -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Change icon?
Hi, :-) > Am Dienstag, den 02.11.2010, 21:31 -0400 schrieb Marc Paré: >> Before we do this. Is there any business or organization that uses a >> paper airplane as a logo? I can find a few hours today. Unless anyone's got a better plan, I propose to do a bit of footwork and do some checking to see if the idea is being used by any other organization... That might save Lucas some time while he thinks more about his concept. So I'll report back on this thread later. David Nelson -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Change icon?
Hi again, Lucas, :-) Afterthought: why don't you also bring this subject up on the [tdf-discuss] list, where more people can be exposed to your idea? David Nelson -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Change icon?
Hi Lucas, :-) I remember you brought this subject up before. I remember it didn't really inspire me at that time, but I think I've changed my mind. I have mentioned a couple of times in threads that I find the current "sheet of paper" logo to be static, and to be lacking sharp identity and recognizability. I was suggesting that LibO needed a "living" character along the lines of Linux's Tux the penguin. I felt that such a character could be declined/derived for multiple uses and needs, and could quickly acquire a life of its own. I visualize something that can be used in graphics and animations. On second consideration of your idea, I feel it could have great potential. It has the simplicity of genius, so seemingly trivial that one could discard the notion without a second thought. But I think you may have hit on "the idea of the century" for LibO. Your paper plane fits in superbly with the paper sheet, as a natural development thereof. The possibilities are many. It can be made into something that fires empathy in the young and old, the simple and the sophisticated. What do you think about the idea of giving it eyes, or some kind of face? Can you find a way to breathe life into it, like the old man into Pinnochio? I would warmly encourage you to keep working on your concept. If I can be of assistance in any way, please feel free to contact me. I think this idea could be a real winner, and has some brilliance. Lots of potential. My 0.2 cents. I'm really hoping that second thoughts about it will inspire people in the project. I'll be watching out to hear more about your invention. David Nelson -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Can we put marketing titles under our names?
Hi, :-) On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 21:43, Italo Vignoli wrote: > You are totally right, but setting up the structure is not trivial, and it > takes time and energies. > > We have mailing lists for every major language now, and we are working at > the bylaws, which include membership. Wouldn't it be a rational solution to go with the Apache Software Foundation (ASF) or the Free Software Foundation (FSF), which would save you guys re-inventing the wheel for a lot of stuff? Plus they both have great credibility and standing, etc. Plus, plus, plus... David Nelson -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
