[libreoffice-marketing] FOX News (USA) runs story about FOSS packages which are better then their commercial rivals

[Drew Jensen]

Howdy,

LibreOffice is the number choice.
https://www.foxnews.com/tech/free-software-copycats

Just passing it along.

Best wishes,
Drew

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[libreoffice-marketing] MS Excel adds change tracking and it is good time for us to toot our own horn

[Drew Jensen]

Howdy,

Ran across this article about updates to the MS Excel support for collaboration.
https://www.laptopmag.com/news/microsoft-excel-update-is-game-changing-for-collaboration-heres-how-it-works

After reading it looks a good time for us to make a noise about change
tracking in Calc.

That's it for now, best wishes

Drew

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] My new slogan.

[Drew Jensen]

On Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 6:09 AM Clocked Modular  wrote:
>
> About owning your own data,
> "Open Source or Open Windows"?
> That is the question!

Howdy,

I like that slogan.

Met me add another which I've used lately and kind of like:
"LibreOffice; Come for the software - Stay for the community!"

On a somewhat related point:
I note that lately on Twitter a few accounts are starting to use the
hashtag #LibreOffieTechnology which I think is a good idea.

Best wishes,

Drew
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Using a LibreOffice branded Twitter account to disseminate information on ecosystem partners

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> We have created the LibreOffice Technology concept to overcome this
> limitation: for instance, suggesting products based on the LibreOffice
> Technology is not a sales pitch, so tweeting about a LibreOffice
> Technology based product from Collabora is a rather elegant way to stay
> outside the trap.

Indeed, and in fact the example of LibreOffice Vanilla is a case of
LibreOffice Technology also given that the software is named
LibreOffice Vanilla but delivered by Collabora Office and CIB.


>
> > Anyway - in general I understand your use of 'sales pitch', I think,
> > as a line not to cross.
>
> Common sense helps a lot in this domain. Best, Italo
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Using a LibreOffice branded Twitter account to disseminate information on ecosystem partners

[Drew Jensen]

On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 1:04 PM Italo Vignoli  wrote:
>
> We must avoid sales pitches, but I don't see the issue for informative
> tweets.

OK and yes for the informative tweets it is a non issue, but to be
honest it is precisely that 'sales pitch' type utterance that I am
looking to get closer to.

For example, and keeping it to LibreOffice branding; I would want to
try and promote sales of LibreOffice Vanilla through the MS and Apple
stores. Towards that end I hope to post once a week or so with a link
to those products.

However If I also want to do that for iOS and Android platforms
however it will have to be with Collabora Office branded binaries.

Anyway - in general I understand your use of 'sales pitch', I think,
as a line not to cross.

Thanks

Drew



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> On 3/5/21 10:00 PM, Drew Jensen wrote:
> > Howdy,
> >
> > Thanks to help from Mke S. I;ve managed to get back into the
> > LbreOfficeUS twitter account and am looking forward to posting there
> > again.
> >
> > Recently I have posted a number of times on my personal twitter
> > account about ecosystem partners (Collabora and CIB/Alloptopia, etc).
> >
> > My question is if is appropriate to continue these ecosystem centric
> > posts using the LibreOfficeUS account?
> >
> > I have a few specific items in mind but would like to ask this as a
> > general question first.
> >
> > thanks for you time,
> >
> > Drew
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[libreoffice-marketing] Re: Using a LibreOffice branded Twitter account to disseminate information on ecosystem partners

[Drew Jensen]

Howdy,

While that general topic perks, let me touch on a specific example of a
Tweet which I would like to put up, perhaps more than once even.

The target audience is potential developer/contributor and simply want to
bring attention to the discourse forum at the Colaboraonline which lists
the engineering team meeting minutes.
 https://forum.collaboraonline.com/c/news/meeting-minutes/14
 Not sure on the text yet, will see what fits in 240 characters (though a
shortened url might be nice, I will ask Mike about that)
I would use a graphic made for an earlier post about the top level site and
which was used from my personal account a while back - the color scheme is
of my device with intent to catch attention. // I'll attach it here

Anyway - I would assume this is a reasonable type post for the LibreOffice
branded Twitter account.

Thanks

Drew
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On Fri, Mar 5, 2021 at 4:00 PM Drew Jensen 
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> Howdy,
>
> Thanks to help from Mke S. I;ve managed to get back into the
> LbreOfficeUS twitter account and am looking forward to posting there
> again.
>
> Recently I have posted a number of times on my personal twitter
> account about ecosystem partners (Collabora and CIB/Alloptopia, etc).
>
> My question is if is appropriate to continue these ecosystem centric
> posts using the LibreOfficeUS account?
>
> I have a few specific items in mind but would like to ask this as a
> general question first.
>
> thanks for you time,
>
> Drew
>

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[libreoffice-marketing] Using a LibreOffice branded Twitter account to disseminate information on ecosystem partners

[Drew Jensen]

Howdy,

Thanks to help from Mke S. I;ve managed to get back into the
LbreOfficeUS twitter account and am looking forward to posting there
again.

Recently I have posted a number of times on my personal twitter
account about ecosystem partners (Collabora and CIB/Alloptopia, etc).

My question is if is appropriate to continue these ecosystem centric
posts using the LibreOfficeUS account?

I have a few specific items in mind but would like to ask this as a
general question first.

thanks for you time,

Drew

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Polls/surveys on Twitter

[Drew Jensen]

On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 4:27 AM kainz.a  wrote:

> * Where do you use LibreOffice? (Home, office, School, University)
>
> Like this question also, and like these choices better then (Home, Work,
Both)

Another question along those lines:
* How do you use LibreOffice( Personal only, Personal and professional,
School work, only at work place)

* How old are you
>
> * Where do you need LibreOffice to run (Windows, Linux, iOS, Android,
> Browser)
>

> * For which feature would you donate
>
> Am Do., 7. Mai 2020 um 09:55 Uhr schrieb Mike Saunders <
> mike.saund...@documentfoundation.org>:
>
> > Hello everyone,
> >
> > I've thought about running some polls/surveys on our Twitter account.
> > They're a good way to engage with followers and get feedback. On the
> > other hand, we need to be careful about the polls we run -- for
> > instance, we shouldn't do polls about features people may want, if we
> > have no plans/resources to implement them.
> >
> > So I have a few ideas:
> >
> > * Where do you use LibreOffice? (Home, work, both)
> >
> > * What component of LibreOffice do you use most? (Writer, Calc etc.)
> >
> > * For how long have you been using LibreOffice?
> >
> > What do you think? Any other suggestions, or anything we should avoid?
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Question regarding Microsoft Store download of Vanilla Libreoffice

[Drew Jensen]

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 3:22 AM Thorsten Behrens 
wrote:

> Hi William, all,
>
> a quick update - after getting 6.3.5 finally shepherded through a
> while ago, we've now switched to the 6.4 series, with currently 6.4.3
> being available in the Windows Store.
>

Excellent - is this switch from one major release to the next during on the
third minor release to be an expected pattern?
In other words is this how CIB will handle the dual version under release
from TDF, using the third minor release as marking it as ready for "paying"
customers?


>
> William Gathoye (LibreOffice) wrote:
> > - LibreOffice Vanilla is only available in English and German, other
> > languages are absent from the interfaces and from the options. The
> > Microsoft account he uses is well defined in French (France) and the
> > Windows he uses is using the same language
> >
> We're now shipping all available langs with the Store App. If there's
> still issues with e.g. French users to obtain the version, please let
> me know!
>

Sounds like big news. Will there be a press release, or other, public
statement from CIB on that?
I was about to post to SM about this change but if there is one coming I'll
hold off til I can point to something from CIB.

Best wishes,

Drew

>
> > - LibreOffice Vanilla is reported as a 32-bit app by the Windows Task
> > Manager.
> >
> Yeap, that's a reasonable common denominator. We're looking into
> providing a joint offering with x64 as well (and not blowing size
> limits).
>
> > - And lastly, even if you said new version are not available yet
> > (because of holidays), the version I have access to hasn't been updated
> > since 2019-07-22 according to the Microsoft Store. It's weird it is
> > displaying "Release date" rather than "Last update date" and the
> > LibreOffice version is missing from the description, how come? Is this a
> > restriction from Microsoft?
> >
> Yep. The version number in the package we ship to Microsoft is always
> faithfully reporting the actual LibreOffice release (minus the micro
> release - e.g. current version has "6.4.3.0").
>
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] What Can LibreOffice Do To Fight COVID-19? (was: A LibreOffice team for Folding@home)

[Drew Jensen]

Howdy William

Noticed this article,
https://www.hpcwire.com/2020/04/22/billion-molecules-against-covid-19-challenge-to-launch-with-massive-supercomputing-support/
and it looked like a good candidate for a share as part of another call to
join the with LibreOffice team since Folding@home will be taking part
according to article and it has a good focus for LibreOffice users in
Europe.

Not that it wouldn't also appeal to others and as I was looking to share it
also was looking at the Team stats page and noticed the Project URL is
probably not doing what you intended it to do.

On the BOINC team stat pages I have that pointing to the BOINC wiki page,
but I'm thinking maybe the main website would be a better choice.

What do you think on that - LO website or the FOLDING/BOINC wiki pages?

Best wishes,

Drew



On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 4:03 AM Mike Saunders <
mike.saund...@documentfoundation.org> wrote:

> Hey Drew,
>
> On 23/04/2020 08:28, Drew Jensen wrote:
> >
> > Put together a quick graphic which incorporates stats from both the LibrO
> > Crunchers BOINC teams and the LIbreOffice FOLDING@HOME team to use for a
> > couple SM posts.
> > Including this at Twitter
> > https://twitter.com/LibreOfficeUS/status/1253204548308668424
>
> Good work, thanks -- I've retweeted from @LibreOffice:
>
> https://twitter.com/libreoffice/status/1253232748409610241
>
> Cheers,
> Mike
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] What Can LibreOffice Do To Fight COVID-19? (was: A LibreOffice team for Folding@home)

[Drew Jensen]

Put together a quick graphic which incorporates stats from both the LibrO
Crunchers BOINC teams and the LIbreOffice FOLDING@HOME team to use for a
couple SM posts.
Including this at Twitter
https://twitter.com/LibreOfficeUS/status/1253204548308668424

On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 10:30 PM Drew Jensen 
wrote:

> OK - reading the wiki page at
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Folding@home just now.
>
> Added a link to that page on the BOINC page See Also, also.
>
> Will share away on SM.
>
> Best wishes,
> Drew
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 11:57 PM Spyros  wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 22 Apr 2020 at 02:35, Drew Jensen 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I think this is great.
>>>
>>> Perhaps it would make sense to update this wiki page with some
>>> information.
>>> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Boinc
>>>
>>
>> Or perhaps create a page more generic to this type of CPU sharing use and
>>> have homefolding and boinc as sub-pages.
>>>
>>
>> I'll try to create a Folding@home page at the Wiki if no one objects.
>> I'm having a few problems logging in (I created my account before the TDF
>> Single Sign On and even though I made a global account today I'm still
>> getting an authentication error) so for now I uploaded a preliminary
>> version at Pastebin: https://pastebin.com/raw/kRTRuz5z
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Spyros
>>
>> P.S. We just entered the top 10,000 teams at F@h.
>>
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] What Can LibreOffice Do To Fight COVID-19? (was: A LibreOffice team for Folding@home)

[Drew Jensen]

OK - reading the wiki page at
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Folding@home just now.

Added a link to that page on the BOINC page See Also, also.

Will share away on SM.

Best wishes,
Drew



On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 11:57 PM Spyros  wrote:

> On Wed, 22 Apr 2020 at 02:35, Drew Jensen 
> wrote:
>
>> I think this is great.
>>
>> Perhaps it would make sense to update this wiki page with some
>> information.
>> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Boinc
>>
>
> Or perhaps create a page more generic to this type of CPU sharing use and
>> have homefolding and boinc as sub-pages.
>>
>
> I'll try to create a Folding@home page at the Wiki if no one objects. I'm
> having a few problems logging in (I created my account before the TDF
> Single Sign On and even though I made a global account today I'm still
> getting an authentication error) so for now I uploaded a preliminary
> version at Pastebin: https://pastebin.com/raw/kRTRuz5z
>
> Best regards,
> Spyros
>
> P.S. We just entered the top 10,000 teams at F@h.
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] What Can LibreOffice Do To Fight COVID-19? (was: A LibreOffice team for Folding@home)

[Drew Jensen]

I think this is great.

Perhaps it would make sense to update this wiki page with some information.
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Boinc

Or perhaps create a page more generic to this type of CPU sharing use and
have homefolding and boinc as sub-pages.

Anyway, will join in the homefolding work with one of the machines here at
the house.

Best wishes,

Drew

On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 5:56 PM William Gathoye (LibreOffice) <
william.gath...@libreoffice.org> wrote:

> On 18/04/2020 02:58, Spyros wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I found recently that a Folding@home [0] team under the LibreOffice name
> > exists. I started contributing to it but did not create it (I assume
> > credits for that should go to wget).
>
> Hi there :)
>
> Indeed, I'm "wget" :)
>
> I wanted to do the introduction of the Folding@home idea to the
> community yesterday, but it appears you were faster than me at doing
> this. I initially thought that the LibreOffice team would be unnoticed,
> but it went noticed after all. And that's great! :)
>
>
>
> # The story behind the creation of the LibreOffice team
>
> For the record, as I'm preparing slowly but surly a server farm at home
> (fully resilient network, power supply, etc.) for virtual hackathons[1]
> for the LibreOfficeFR[2] community, I needed to test some servers and
> instead of putting some load on the machine for basically nothing, I
> thought to Folding@Home. :)
>
> As folding under no-name would have been a waste, I thought it could be
> nice to leverage this for LibreOffice =)
>
> I saw there was no LibreOffice team :( and the team name was free for
> anyone to take :/. Seeing the LibreOffice team name being taken by
> someone not from the community would have been more annoying to recover
> afterwards, I decided to register it :)
>
>
>
> # What LibreOffice can do to fight COVID-19?
>
> "@libreoffice has been very helpful for @openlung and the #openlung
> project. #engineers #researchers and #doctors  can share their ideas
> more fluidly using this freely available, open source office suite
> software."
>
> From a marketing POV, this nice tweet we get is interesting for a big
> reason: momentum[3].
>
> As plenty of companies are publishing "what we do to fight COVID-19"
> banners everywhere, let's leverage on this and say: what could
> LibreOffice do to help them (the researchers) and fight COVID-19?
>
> Even if I don't want to be cliché, we are devs and contributors, we are
> already staying at home most of the time =D. How can we bring this even
> further?
>
> So the idea is to publish a campaign on social media and on our blog and
> ask our users to fold under the name of LibreOffice to help research. (I
> can provide beautiful eye-catching social media images, since
> LibreOfficeFR has now a license with icons8.com.)
>
> We should also provide a video explaining how to use the Folding@home
> software to fold under the name of LibreOffice. My new graphic card is
> arriving on April 27th though, so I'll have a hard time doing this in a
> short period of time :/.
>
>
>
> # Ask the infra team
>
> Also, but we need to see this with the infra team, maybe we could
> leverage the build servers we have to help with folding as I imagine
> these are not always being used 100% of the time? The app of
> Folding@home is detecting when the machine is being used. IIRC, we can
> also define specific time periods.
>
>
>
> Having the LibreOffice team trending will be great. Arch Linux is
> participating, why not LibreOffice?
>
> Regards,
>
>
> [1] Will do a dedicate announcement on that later when ready. I'm
> operating the hardware, software but also the network as my own network
> operator. All of this is taking time but is educational and built on the
> skills I acquired when I had my dev company. :)
> [2] Maybe the wider community?
> [3] https://mobile.twitter.com/simplyacreative/status/1248404853535080448
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[libreoffice-marketing] The Beat Goes On - wallpaper

[Drew Jensen]

Howdy,

In posting on the SM site MeWe today about the 6.4.3 release of the
software I included a wallpaper graphic intended to support the LibreOffice
10/20 campaign.

The graphic incorporated the LibreOffice 10/20 logo and a homage to the
wire frame gull wings used in the OO.o 2.x version of releases.

The Beat Goes On message is a reprise of similar wallpaper files I shared
at that time.

If anyone would like to use the jpeg file it is on the TDF/NC server in the
marketing images folder.
Or you can grab it from a Twitter post at
https://twitter.com/LibreOfficeUS/status/1250882733397741568

Best wishes,

Drew

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Texas Linux Fest - May 1

[Drew Jensen]

That is embarrassing; I mean Robinson (not Roland, whom ever that is ;-/

On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 10:59 AM Drew Jensen 
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> Howdy,
>
> Great. Just replying so that I can add Roland as CC so to be sure he is in
> this thread also.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 6:37 AM Italo Vignoli 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Drew, I am still in Brussels for FOSDEM until tomorrow evening. I
>> will provide a reply to all of your messages as soon as I am back home
>> and can llok at the backlog.
>>
>> On 2/3/20 6:46 PM, Drew Jensen wrote:
>> > Howdy,
>> >
>> > Ok so the Texas Linux Fest https://2020.texaslinuxfest.org/ is coming
>> up on
>> > May 1st.
>> >
>> > Heard from an individual that they are tentatively looking at giving a
>> > LibreOffice focused presentation there.
>> >
>> > So, again, if there are others in the Austin, Texas area planning on
>> > attending and who would be interested in either giving an address or
>> > helping staff a booth it would be good to start coordinating that.
>> >
>> > Perhaps a touch back here on the ML and then a page on the wiki for
>> them to
>> > use.
>> >
>> > Looking forward to hearing from you.
>> >
>> > Best wishes,
>> >
>> > Drew
>> >
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Texas Linux Fest - May 1

[Drew Jensen]

Howdy,

Great. Just replying so that I can add Roland as CC so to be sure he is in
this thread also.



On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 6:37 AM Italo Vignoli  wrote:

> Hi Drew, I am still in Brussels for FOSDEM until tomorrow evening. I
> will provide a reply to all of your messages as soon as I am back home
> and can llok at the backlog.
>
> On 2/3/20 6:46 PM, Drew Jensen wrote:
> > Howdy,
> >
> > Ok so the Texas Linux Fest https://2020.texaslinuxfest.org/ is coming
> up on
> > May 1st.
> >
> > Heard from an individual that they are tentatively looking at giving a
> > LibreOffice focused presentation there.
> >
> > So, again, if there are others in the Austin, Texas area planning on
> > attending and who would be interested in either giving an address or
> > helping staff a booth it would be good to start coordinating that.
> >
> > Perhaps a touch back here on the ML and then a page on the wiki for them
> to
> > use.
> >
> > Looking forward to hearing from you.
> >
> > Best wishes,
> >
> > Drew
> >
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[libreoffice-marketing] Texas Linux Fest - May 1

[Drew Jensen]

Howdy,

Ok so the Texas Linux Fest https://2020.texaslinuxfest.org/ is coming up on
May 1st.

Heard from an individual that they are tentatively looking at giving a
LibreOffice focused presentation there.

So, again, if there are others in the Austin, Texas area planning on
attending and who would be interested in either giving an address or
helping staff a booth it would be good to start coordinating that.

Perhaps a touch back here on the ML and then a page on the wiki for them to
use.

Looking forward to hearing from you.

Best wishes,

Drew

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[libreoffice-marketing] Anyone planning on attending the Southern California LinuxExpo?

[Drew Jensen]

Howdy,
ScaLe 18 is scheduled to happen in a few weeks, March 5-8 in Pasadena,
California. [1]

TDF/LibreOffice has maintained a table there on and off over the years.

Was wondering if anyone is planning on attending and if so would you have
any interest in staffing a table on the Expo floor?

I've heard, from a third party, that the show promoters would like to have
us present.

I know it is last minute, so a real long shot, but thought I'd ask.

Thanks and best wishes,

Drew

[1] https://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale/18x

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Another question regarding Vanilla Libreoffice on Win 10 S and access to extensions

[Drew Jensen]

Howdy,


On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:40 AM William Gathoye (LibreOffice) <
william.gath...@libreoffice.org> wrote:

> On 15/01/2020 14:45, Drew Jensen wrote:
> > Disabling S mode should be strongly discouraged IMO.
> >
> > if users need to do so to run some software then that is a failure of the
> > vendor of that software to adequately care for the users security, IMO.
>
> Most if not all users I have advised have disabled the S Mode. Most of
> them are students whose apps they need are not on the Microsoft Store.
>

Indeed, before I read over the MS faq pages on 10 S I didn't realize S mode
was available in all of the different flavors of Windows (home, pro,
education, enterprise) but it is.

The MS Faq also makes numerous references to turning off the S Mode and
simple instructions on how to do it.


>
> Not all companies can afford providing a specific version for stores.
> This especially applies for technologies blacklisted from stores (e.g.
> Java, electron, etc. for the Mac App Store) and apps with anti-piracy
> features.
>

Yes, for instance I am unable to find a version of Java available from the
MS Store (IDK if java comes out of the box with Win 10 S, but I doubt it).
While the Python foundation has three different versions of Python
available there. (Free of charge)
Which is nice since Python is a an option for scripting LibreOffice. MS
Visual Code (which is available in the store also) works as a python IDE
with the only missing link being the APSO extension.

Anyway, there is one MS platform which only uses applications from the MS
Store and that is the Surface OS - there is no switching out to use other
software available there.

>
> Hopefully, TDF and TDC will fix this situation in the very near future.
> Widening the different channels we have to install LibreOffice is a good
> way to ensure omnipresence and ease of migrations. :) And the potential
> removal of the "Vanilla" mention for future TDC versions is a good way
> to improve LibreOffice brand awareness.
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Another question regarding Vanilla Libreoffice on Win 10 S and access to extensions

[Drew Jensen]

Howdy,


On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 8:44 AM William Gathoye (LibreOffice) <
william.gath...@libreoffice.org> wrote:

> On 15/01/2020 14:35, Italo Vignoli wrote:
> Since the Windows 7
> deprecation notice [2] and people having bought computer in Windows 10 S
> mode, I begin to have questions about the ability to get Windows auto
> updates, I have forwarded most of them to use LibreOffice by CIB for
> this. Now, I regret because some issues are being reported to me (cf.
> other mail in this thread). Really looking forwards for TDC :)
>

I follow your account on Twitter btw, get good stuff from it.

I am curious you say there are other problems, do you mean that you hear of
other problems from folks running Vanilla LibreOffice (from CIB) under
Window 10?

Thanks

>
> >
> [1]
>
> https://fr.blog.documentfoundation.org/2019/11/07/installer-libreoffice-sur-chromeos/
> [2] https://twitter.com/LibreOfficeFR/status/1217040596369575939
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Another question regarding Vanilla Libreoffice on Win 10 S and access to extensions

[Drew Jensen]

Disabling S mode should be strongly discouraged IMO.

if users need to do so to run some software then that is a failure of the
vendor of that software to adequately care for the users security, IMO.



On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 8:35 AM Italo Vignoli  wrote:

> On 1/15/20 2:24 PM, William Gathoye (LibreOffice) wrote:
>
> >> AFAIK, on Windows 10 S you can only install software from the Microsoft
> >> Store, and not from external sources. Microsoft has been enforcing this
> >> in all countries in Europe since October 1st, 2019.
>
> > While this is indeed enforced, on x86, the S mode can be disabled by the
> > user. This action is irreversible though. [1]. The method is completelly
> > legal and authorized by Microsoft.
>
> Authorized but strongly discouraged, especially with OEMs (who are
> "invited" not to mention the possibility on their documentation). So, we
> should manage the topic with care, to avoid upsetting OEMs who are happy
> to install LibreOffice on their high level PCs, where they can avoid to
> use Windows 10 S (which is compulsory on low level processors).
>
> > [1]
> >
> https://support.microsoft.com/fr-fr/help/4456067/windows-10-switch-out-of-s-mode
>
> We can probably write a blog post where we explain how to install
> LibreOffice on Windows 10 S, using Microsoft own sources (without any
> mention to PC manufacturers). As a reason for the blog post, we can use
> requests from individual users.
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Another question regarding Vanilla Libreoffice on Win 10 S and access to extensions

[Drew Jensen]

On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 8:50 AM Drew Jensen 
wrote:

> Howdy,
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 8:44 AM William Gathoye (LibreOffice) <
> william.gath...@libreoffice.org> wrote:
>
>> On 15/01/2020 14:35, Italo Vignoli wrote:
>> Since the Windows 7
>> deprecation notice [2] and people having bought computer in Windows 10 S
>> mode, I begin to have questions about the ability to get Windows auto
>> updates, I have forwarded most of them to use LibreOffice by CIB for
>> this. Now, I regret because some issues are being reported to me (cf.
>> other mail in this thread). Really looking forwards for TDC :)
>>
>
> I follow your account on Twitter btw, get good stuff from it.
>
> I am curious you say there are other problems, do you mean that you hear
> of other problems from folks running Vanilla LibreOffice (from CIB) under
> Window 10?
>

Sorry - under Windows 10 S, is what I'm asking about, and only Windows 10
S.

>
> Thanks
>
>>
>> >
>> [1]
>>
>> https://fr.blog.documentfoundation.org/2019/11/07/installer-libreoffice-sur-chromeos/
>> [2] https://twitter.com/LibreOfficeFR/status/1217040596369575939
>>
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Another question regarding Vanilla Libreoffice on Win 10 S and access to extensions

[Drew Jensen]

Howdy,

On Sun, Jan 12, 2020 at 5:55 PM Italo Vignoli  wrote:


> In Italy, we get the information from a large Microsoft OEM, as they are
> also providing Linux based PCs and installing LibreOffice on Windows. It
> looks like the situation might become even worse on PCs for end users,
> while it won't change on PCs for enterprises.
>
>
Now that, to me, sounds like a golden opportunity for a sales deal between
them and the folks at CIB for both Vanilla and L24B versions.


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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Another question regarding Vanilla Libreoffice on Win 10 S and access to extensions

[Drew Jensen]

Howdy,

On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 6:38 PM Italo Vignoli  wrote:

> AFAIK, on Windows 10 S you can only install software from the Microsoft
> Store, and not from external sources. Microsoft has been enforcing this
> in all countries in Europe since October 1st, 2019.
>

Yes, that is correct.

So I tried looking for an answer perhaps in the support forums, to see if
anyone had reported a problem or vice versa.
No luck. In fact I could only find one reference to Win 10 S in the Ask
forum (searched in the en and fr boards) and all that was about was some
guy failing to install LO from the main website because he was running 10 S.
Also checked some of the other bbs style forums but again nothing.

Then I tried searching for any magazine or blog posts about LibreOffice in
the MS Store, but again that was less then fruitful. In fact all I cam up
with were articles about an earlier MS Store offering from an
unknown source, not the CIB Vanilla offering, and which spent most of their
ink on that and not the actual software.

Anyway, I have a few hours today to put into this so I'll just go with what
I know so far.

Best wishes,

Drew

>
> On 1/11/20 8:37 PM, Drew Jensen wrote:
> > Howdy,
> >
> > One, last hopefully, question specifically for the case where a person
> has
> > installed Vanilla Libreoffice under Windows 10 S(ecurity) mode.
> >
> > Are there any limitations with regards to extensions, specifically
> > downloading from the TDF extension site by the user, in this type of
> > installation?
> >
> > I suspect that is a question that may not have a definitive answer as it
> > may depend site specific security protocols, but I don't know. (sorry, I
> > don't have access to a Win 10 S box or I'd try it myself).
> >
> > Thanks in advance for any guidance you can provide.
> >
> > Best wishes,
> >
> > Drew
> >
> > ps. I was also wondering how many people out there might be running Win
> 10
> > S and the best guess I could come up with is something less then %6.5
> > percent of desktops running Win 10. That number I found as the market
> share
> > for the Edge browser which is mandated when in S mode.
> >
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[libreoffice-marketing] Another question regarding Vanilla Libreoffice on Win 10 S and access to extensions

[Drew Jensen]

Howdy,

One, last hopefully, question specifically for the case where a person has
installed Vanilla Libreoffice under Windows 10 S(ecurity) mode.

Are there any limitations with regards to extensions, specifically
downloading from the TDF extension site by the user, in this type of
installation?

I suspect that is a question that may not have a definitive answer as it
may depend site specific security protocols, but I don't know. (sorry, I
don't have access to a Win 10 S box or I'd try it myself).

Thanks in advance for any guidance you can provide.

Best wishes,

Drew

ps. I was also wondering how many people out there might be running Win 10
S and the best guess I could come up with is something less then %6.5
percent of desktops running Win 10. That number I found as the market share
for the Edge browser which is mandated when in S mode.

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Question regarding Microsoft Store download of Vanilla Libreoffice

[Drew Jensen]

Howdy,

On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 4:19 PM Thorsten Behrens  wrote:

> >
> Yes, that one; and that includes minor updates (as long as TDF does
> them). :)
>
> In general, app stores add a layer of convenience, where especially
> minor updates are easy & almost invisible to users. The downside is
> that users then don't tend to visit libreoffice.org for updates;
> therefore are not seeing the options for donation; therefore the
> upfront price tag in lieu of donation.
>
>
I know it was bit pedantic but I really wanted to be sure I understood.

So, just now I see this over on twitter
https://twitter.com/RensStehouwer/status/1214837011997241344
"Damn, the @Microsoft office pricing model sucks.
I don't want a subscription and I don't want to pay
€300 for a dressed down version for two persons,
just because I got a new pc.
I'm using @libreoffice from now on,
and I'm advising everyone to do the same."
with an interesting reply about Collabora Office for Android.

So, seems to me that this Twitter user is a candidate for the MS Store
subscription.
Why would they want to do that?
1st; this isn't a lease of software. It won't stop working after the
subscription period.
2nd; the convenience of real automatic updates during the 18 months.
3rd; reasonable and fair price for the update service. With part of the
funds going directly towards shared community work.

Anyway - thanks again, Thorsten.

I'll go write a draft for the SM post and I think put it to the list before
I share it - in a separate thread.

Best wishes
Drew

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Question regarding Microsoft Store download of Vanilla Libreoffice

[Drew Jensen]

Howdy Thorsten,

On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 1:27 AM Thorsten Behrens  wrote:

> Hi Drew,
>
> Drew Jensen wrote:
> > Are there any automatic updates with the Vanilla LibreOffice $9.99
> > package?
> >
> Indeed, we're updating LibreOffice Vanilla (more or less) in lock-step
> with the TDF releases. Unfortunately 6.3.4 is not yet available, due
> to a smallish validation issue & vacation time.
>

Thanks for getting back to me.

Really my question just comes down to how I should read one sentence in the
CIB press release.

"TDF branded version relies on the global LibreOffice community for
assistance and help, while LibreOffice powered by CIB also provides online
support, automatic updates and security fixes for 18 months."

Does that mean:
Vanilla Libreoffice includes community support and online updates and
security fixes for 18 months (via the MS Store)
while
LibreOffice powered by CIB, includes CIB support and online updates and
security fixes for 18 months (via the MS Store)

Other than that I was curious as to which version of LO would come with
Vanilla and I take it from your reply that today this would be 6.3.3; so
may I take it the general answer is, Vanilla from the MS Store is the
current Fresh release?

That's was it again thanks for your time.

Best wishes

Drew

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Question regarding Microsoft Store download of Vanilla Libreoffice

[Drew Jensen]

Howdy,

Well, there is a connection but I understand your point.

The CIB announcement is clear when it comes to support with the line:
"TDF branded version relies on the global LibreOffice community for
assistance and help"

So ask.libreOffice.org for help and assistance but my question is about
online updates and security patches for the TDF branded package and
particularly if the customer is running Win 10 S.

Anyway, I'll go ahead and find an email address for CIB and try that,
thanks.

Drew

PS - I'll bring back whatever I learn to this thread because I can't be the
only one wondering.


On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 12:31 PM Cley Faye  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Maybe it is not the right place. I didn't read anything in either that
> announcement, the store pages, or their website about any involvement from
> The Document Foundation itself. If there was some, it's not hinted at all
> anywhere.
> If I'm right, the correct place to ask for support would be CIB themselves,
> as that's essentially what they add to the package.
>
> Le mar. 31 déc. 2019 à 18:26, Drew Jensen  a
> écrit :
>
> > Bump.
> >
> > Is this the wrong place to ask this question?
> >
> > Yes I know it was bad timing with the holidays but I really wanted to
> share
> > this into a MS centric SM group and I suspect that is an important
> question
> > to answer as part of that.
> >
> > BTW - I've reading about WIN 10 S and I think that makes this a fairly
> big
> > deal but perhaps I'm missing something subtle there.
> >
> > Thanks again and best wishes for the coming new year,
> >
> > Drew
> >
> > On Sat, Dec 21, 2019 at 7:10 PM Drew Jensen 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Howdy,
> > >
> > > Reading over the press announcement from CIB[1] this line, "TDF branded
> > > version relies on the global LibreOffice community for assistance and
> > help,
> > > while LibreOffice powered by CIB also provides online support,
> automatic
> > > updates and security fixes for 18 months." raised a question after then
> > > reading the paragraph on Window 10 S.
> > >
> > > "Applications on the Microsoft Store use the new generation packaging
> > > format MSIX/APPX, simple and secure, and are ready for deployment in
> > > Windows 10 S and beyond. Windows 10 S mode is a simplified version of
> > > Windows 10 for security and performance which offers the same
> experience.
> > > To improve security, it only allows Microsoft Store apps and requires
> > > Microsoft Edge for browsing."
> > >
> > > Are there any automatic updates with the Vanilla LibreOffice $9.99
> > > package? Either for current Windows 10 users or someone on Win 10 S,
> > which
> > > it sounds like would need the MS Store do do so.
> > >
> > > Thanks and best wishes,
> > >
> > > Drew
> > >
> > > [1]
> > >
> >
> https://blog.cib.de/2019/08/08/cib-announces-libreoffice-on-the-microsoft-store/
> > >
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[libreoffice-marketing] Re: Question regarding Microsoft Store download of Vanilla Libreoffice

[Drew Jensen]

Bump.

Is this the wrong place to ask this question?

Yes I know it was bad timing with the holidays but I really wanted to share
this into a MS centric SM group and I suspect that is an important question
to answer as part of that.

BTW - I've reading about WIN 10 S and I think that makes this a fairly big
deal but perhaps I'm missing something subtle there.

Thanks again and best wishes for the coming new year,

Drew

On Sat, Dec 21, 2019 at 7:10 PM Drew Jensen 
wrote:

> Howdy,
>
> Reading over the press announcement from CIB[1] this line, "TDF branded
> version relies on the global LibreOffice community for assistance and help,
> while LibreOffice powered by CIB also provides online support, automatic
> updates and security fixes for 18 months." raised a question after then
> reading the paragraph on Window 10 S.
>
> "Applications on the Microsoft Store use the new generation packaging
> format MSIX/APPX, simple and secure, and are ready for deployment in
> Windows 10 S and beyond. Windows 10 S mode is a simplified version of
> Windows 10 for security and performance which offers the same experience.
> To improve security, it only allows Microsoft Store apps and requires
> Microsoft Edge for browsing."
>
> Are there any automatic updates with the Vanilla LibreOffice $9.99
> package? Either for current Windows 10 users or someone on Win 10 S, which
> it sounds like would need the MS Store do do so.
>
> Thanks and best wishes,
>
> Drew
>
> [1]
> https://blog.cib.de/2019/08/08/cib-announces-libreoffice-on-the-microsoft-store/
>

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[libreoffice-marketing] Question regarding Microsoft Store download of Vanilla Libreoffice

[Drew Jensen]

Howdy,

Reading over the press announcement from CIB[1] this line, "TDF branded
version relies on the global LibreOffice community for assistance and help,
while LibreOffice powered by CIB also provides online support, automatic
updates and security fixes for 18 months." raised a question after then
reading the paragraph on Window 10 S.

"Applications on the Microsoft Store use the new generation packaging
format MSIX/APPX, simple and secure, and are ready for deployment in
Windows 10 S and beyond. Windows 10 S mode is a simplified version of
Windows 10 for security and performance which offers the same experience.
To improve security, it only allows Microsoft Store apps and requires
Microsoft Edge for browsing."

Are there any automatic updates with the Vanilla LibreOffice $9.99 package?
Either for current Windows 10 users or someone on Win 10 S, which it sounds
like would need the MS Store do do so.

Thanks and best wishes,

Drew

[1]
https://blog.cib.de/2019/08/08/cib-announces-libreoffice-on-the-microsoft-store/

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[libreoffice-marketing] 2019 round up of a few Fandom SM accounts

[Drew Jensen]

Howdy,

So as the years winds down here my official report on my unofficial fan
pages;

Twitter
https://twitter.com/LibreOfficeVols continues on, still used almost
exclusively to feed a daily aggregation service. The account was on
auto-pilot for a couple years really, just recently I updated the set of
accounts followed and the filter settings to pickup Collabora Office/Online
and CIB twitter posts.

Plans: The list of accounts it follows overall should be updated - I was
considering for instance trying to include as many TDF member's (as listed
on the public TDF page) twitter accounts as possible. Truth be told that
has been a plan for a while and the some maybe 2020 will be the year. The
filters exclude any tweets that do not include the search string list
(LibreOffice, etc...)
// also thought I might want to ask before I did that, so I guess I'm
asking about that here ;-)

https://paper.li/LibreOfficeVols/paper#/ this is the daily Twitter
aggregation from those filters laid out by paper dot li.

Plans: Update the information in the Info section, it's been a number of
years and a lot of stuff has changed, a dead reference for one, like iOS
apps, etc.

MeWe

https://mewe.com/p/documentfoundation Page.
A whopping 72 followers as of today.

However It is steadily picking up 4-10 new followers each week now. Biggest
change since launching is these last few weeks folks (including some of the
group owners) are starting to share posts from the page in to groups, prior
to that I was doing that as the subject fit. So into the a few Linux
groups, an iOS apps group, Android Apps group and an OSS Office software
group.

That's about it.

Best wishes

Drew

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibreOffice social media accounts in various languages: help wanted, gain experience!

[Drew Jensen]

One more SM service with an account which could use some help.

MeWe
(MeWe has not yet gone totally public, so one still needs an account on the
site to see any of the content)

* France https://mewe.com/join/libreofficefrance - Oct 2018
This was setup as a Group and includes a separate Chat list with it.
The Group has only 2 posts both from a little over a year ago and currently
5 members.
Unfortunately when the Group was setup with the name "Libre Office France",
and in the Group Information section it again uses "Libre Office" and so it
doesn't come up with a search for LibreOffice.




On Thu, Nov 7, 2019 at 10:22 AM Mike Saunders <
mike.saund...@documentfoundation.org> wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> I was going through the list of social media accounts for LibreOffice in
> various languages and locations here:
>
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Website/Web_Sites_services#Social_Media
>
> It's great to see that most of them are active and up-to-date, so a huge
> thanks to everyone who helps to maintain them.
>
> A few pages/accounts have been relatively quiet for a while though, so
> the maintainers could do with some help. I've posted the list below,
> along with the date of the last update.
>
> If you're interested in helping out, drop me a line and I'll try to put
> you in touch with someone in those communities. And of course, if you
> want to build up experience with managing social media accounts, this is
> a great way to get started! So, the list:
>
>
> FACEBOOK
>
> * Argentina: https://www.facebook.com/LibreOfficeArgentina - October 2017
>
> * Hungary: https://www.facebook.com/LibreOfficeHU/ - January 2019
>
> * India: https://www.facebook.com/groups/LibreIndia/ - June 2017
>
> * Kabyle: https://www.facebook.com/libreoffice.aqbayli/ - Page not
> accessible
>
> * Paraguay:
> https://www.facebook.com/Libre-Office-Paraguay-107105419376157/ - March
> 2018
>
> * Polish: https://www.facebook.com/LibreOfficePolska - August 2013
>
> * Portugal: https://www.facebook.com/libreofficept/ - May 2018
>
> * Russian: https://www.facebook.com/ru.libreoffice.org - March 2018
>
> * Taiwanese:
> http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_174632695891483=1 - Page
> not accessible
>
>
> TWITTER
>
> * Argentina: https://twitter.com/LibreOfficear - April 2017
>
> * Brazil: https://twitter.com/libreofficebr - February 2018
>
> * Guarani: https://twitter.com/libreguarani - March 2017
>
> * Russian: https://twitter.com/LibreOffice_ru - February 2015
>
> * USA: https://twitter.com/LibreOfficeUS - October 2014
>
> * Oklahoma: https://twitter.com/LibreOfficeOK - October 2010
>
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibreOffice in 2019: project and community recap video

[Drew Jensen]

Howdy,

When you do release the video, if possible, would like to get a copy for
use over on the MeWe service, it does seem to work out better when it is
embedded there vs youtube share.

Thanks much,

Drew


On Thu, Dec 12, 2019 at 5:12 AM Mike Saunders <
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> Hey Iqbal,
>
> On 12/12/2019 10:46, Iqbal Sajid wrote:
> >
> > Nice work.
> > I suggest using a voice-over instead of music.
>
> Thanks! Yeah, I thought about that, but for a shorter video I think it's
> OK to have a few subtitles. Also, as it's a short video, I can embed it
> directly into social media (rather than sharing the video via a YouTube
> link), and many people browsing social media prefer to watch videos with
> the sound off.
>
> (As a general social media tip: where possible, upload videos directly
> onto Twitter, Facebook etc. rather than sharing a YouTube link. The
> social media sites want lots of their own content, and this approach
> apparently gives videos more visibility. At least, that's what I was
> told in a training session last year!)
>
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibreOffice social media accounts in various languages: help wanted, gain experience!

[Drew Jensen]

On Thu, Nov 7, 2019 at 10:22 AM Mike Saunders <
mike.saund...@documentfoundation.org> wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> I was going through the list of social media accounts for LibreOffice in
> various languages and locations here:
>
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Website/Web_Sites_services#Social_Media
>
> It's great to see that most of them are active and up-to-date, so a huge
> thanks to everyone who helps to maintain them.
>
> A few pages/accounts have been relatively quiet for a while though, so
> the maintainers could do with some help. I've posted the list below,
> along with the date of the last update.
>
> If you're interested in helping out, drop me a line and I'll try to put
> you in touch with someone in those communities. And of course, if you
> want to build up experience with managing social media accounts, this is
> a great way to get started! So, the list:
>
>
> ...
...

>
> * Oklahoma: https://twitter.com/LibreOfficeOK - October 2010
>

I'm sorry to pass on that Anthony Papillion who started the LibreOffice OK
twitter account appears, from checking his facebook profile just now, to
have passed away.

Best wishes,

Drew


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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibreOffice in 2019: project and community recap video

[Drew Jensen]

On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 12:10 PM sophi  wrote:

> Hi Mike,
> Le 11/12/2019 à 17:23, Mike Saunders a écrit :
> > Hello everyone,
> >
> > I've made a quick video summarising activities from the project and
> > community in the last year. It's unlisted at the moment, so please don't
> > share it yet -- I may still make some changes!
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7YQU_dycos
> >
> > For instance, I may add a donate suggestion at the end... What do you
> think?
>
> I like it like that, but I'm not an expert :) Thanks for your work!
>

Howdy,

Yes, that is quite nice!

I would agree, if Sophi is saying to leave it without a donation request
added to the, and leave as is but personally would when sharing it via a
social media post make the pitch for a donation in the post, along with a
link to the donate page.

Best wishes,

Drew


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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Blog post - subject Free OnLine services

[Drew Jensen]

Howdy,

Just now had an exchange with the admin at a SM group where I shared that
blog about followup posts and realized it would be good to pass that on
there also. So this is the plan:

Three blog posts.

I've setup accounts at all four of those freebie sites and in the next
installment, after two weeks of use, will follow up on how each performed
and will look at what two of those companies offer "For A Fee" and a couple
additional fee based hosting providers.

Then a third blog look at options for self hosting using CMS stacks that
include one of the LibreOffice Online source releases. Collabora Online and
LibreOffice Online powered by CIB (assuming that is available via Corteza).
This will be a bit more difficult for me to pull off as I will attempt to
setup the servers for myself, but I'll give it a good try.

That's it for now.

Best wishes

Drew

On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 8:36 AM Drew Jensen 
wrote:

> On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 1:41 AM  wrote:
>
>> this is good blog and marketing,
>>
>> but the i use most of the free vendors here there platform is slow with
>> LibreOffice online is there an GPU or Open Cl or high performance
>> LibreOffice online images or offers
>>
>>
> Well, that post was only about those offering services for free but the
> next one will be about the paid offerings.
>
> As for high performance, systems tweaked for LOOL in other words, IDK of
> any but maybe finchhost has an offering?
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Drew
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 02:21 AM, Drew Jensen 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Howdy,
>>
>> Well, I decided to resurrect a blog long quite with an initial post on
>> four
>> current commercial offerings of LibreOffice Online which are free, as in
>> beer, to the consumer.
>>
>> Really just added a couple of images and extra words to what was just
>> added
>> to this wiki page:
>>
>> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/LibreOffice_Online#Availability
>>
>> The blog post meanwhile is here:
>>
>> https://drewjensen.typepad.com/blog/2019/06/libreoffice-online-is-popping-up-all-over.html
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Drew
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Blog post - subject Free OnLine services

[Drew Jensen]

On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 1:41 AM  wrote:

> this is good blog and marketing,
>
> but the i use most of the free vendors here there platform is slow with
> LibreOffice online is there an GPU or Open Cl or high performance
> LibreOffice online images or offers
>
>
Well, that post was only about those offering services for free but the
next one will be about the paid offerings.

As for high performance, systems tweaked for LOOL in other words, IDK of
any but maybe finchhost has an offering?

Best wishes,

Drew


>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 02:21 AM, Drew Jensen 
> wrote:
>
> Howdy,
>
> Well, I decided to resurrect a blog long quite with an initial post on four
> current commercial offerings of LibreOffice Online which are free, as in
> beer, to the consumer.
>
> Really just added a couple of images and extra words to what was just added
> to this wiki page:
>
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/LibreOffice_Online#Availability
>
> The blog post meanwhile is here:
>
> https://drewjensen.typepad.com/blog/2019/06/libreoffice-online-is-popping-up-all-over.html
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Drew
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Blog post - subject Free OnLine services

[Drew Jensen]

On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 2:19 AM  wrote:

> Hi
>
> >De: "Drew Jensen" 
> >I decided to resurrect a blog long quite with an initial post on four
> >current commercial offerings of LibreOffice Online which are free
>
> I don't know if this is part of this post: I came across this Firefox
> extension by chance (I didn't go deeper and I don't know anything more
> than what's written there).
>
> https://addons.mozilla.org/fr/firefox/addon/libreoffice-editor-xls-doc-ppt/


Howdy,

That looks like the addon for OffiDocs.

Drew

>
> Best regards
> Pierre-Yves
>

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[libreoffice-marketing] Blog post - subject Free OnLine services

[Drew Jensen]

Howdy,

Well, I decided to resurrect a blog long quite with an initial post on four
current commercial offerings of LibreOffice Online which are free, as in
beer, to the consumer.

Really just added a couple of images and extra words to what was just added
to this wiki page:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/LibreOffice_Online#Availability

The blog post meanwhile is here:
https://drewjensen.typepad.com/blog/2019/06/libreoffice-online-is-popping-up-all-over.html

Best wishes,

Drew

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] A LibreOffie team for BOINC

[Drew Jensen]

Ok then, I registered at cpdn and setup LibO Crunchers team record and
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/boinc updated with links to all the
project home pages now in addition to team pages.



On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 10:34 AM Sophia Schröder <
sophia.schroe...@libreoffice.org> wrote:

> I was a long time volunteer to SETI and other projects the days back.
>
> Was part of rechenkraft.net and later created a firm-internal team
> (which both no longer exist, team and firm).
>
> So, yes, creating a team wherever is not the challenge, but you are the
> hero brought that theme up here again. ;-)
>
> Am 20.06.2019 um 15:57 schrieb Drew Jensen:
> > Howdy,
> >
> > Wonderful.
> >
> > Climateprediction.net would be a good addition - IDK if I have to do that
> > or anyone can do that - I'll find out later today and let you know either
> > way in a follow up email.
> >
> > Best wishes,
> >
> > Drew
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 9:54 AM Sophia Schröder <
> > sophia.schroe...@libreoffice.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Just joined and crunching.
> >>
> >> BTW: Could we extend it (the team) to, e.g. climateprediction. net and
> >> Science United?
> >>
> >> Am 17.06.2019 um 16:50 schrieb Drew Jensen:
> >>> To close out this thread.
> >>>
> >>> The page on the wiki has been setup and the BOINC project team records
> >> have
> >>> been updated to reference it as the team home page.
> >>>
> >>> The folks at World Community Grid have been very nice about resharing,
> >> from
> >>> the WCG official twitter account, my twitter postings about the team.
> >>>
> >>> After talking with a fellow at WCG the idea would be to host two team
> >>> challenges a year, in close step with the TDF release 6 mos release
> >>> schedule.
> >>> Presently, am planning on setting up the first Semi-Annual LibreOffice
> >>> Release, Libo Crunch hosted, team challenge on the WCG service to
> >> coincide
> >>> with the LibreOffice 6.3 Release.
> >>>
> >>> Will follow with details on that in a separate email thread, likely
> next
> >>> week.
> >>>
> >>> Best wishes,
> >>>
> >>> Drew
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, Jun 8, 2019 at 4:20 PM Drew Jensen  >
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Howdy,
> >>>>
> >>>> Alright then seems no one objects and I was thinking would make sense
> to
> >>>> put at
> >>>> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/boinc
> >>>> instead of a page with some team name - there could maybe be multiple
> >>>> teams, right.
> >>>>
> >>>> I'll plan to put something there tomorrow, again unless someone has a
> >>>> better place in mind, but assuming not then also made a graphic for a
> >> lure
> >>>> with that BOINC page name.
> >>>> Found here https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/f/152019
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks
> >>>>
> >>>> Drew
> >>>>
> >>>> On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 7:43 AM Cor Nouws  wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hi Drew,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Drew Jensen wrote on 6/5/19 8:12 PM:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> First - this is of course not a TDF official team.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> BOINC, I'm guessing many of you know what this is. A distributed
> >> system
> >>>>>> ...
> >>>>> Nice you're doing this!
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Anyway, that was way more text then I intended to write. The
> question
> >> is
> >>>>>> about using a wiki page to tie it all together.
> >>>>> I think it's worth to put this on a wiki page, so that it can be
> easily
> >>>>> referred to now and then, so that people interested..  ;)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Greetings,
> >>>>> Cor
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Cor Nouws
> >>>>> GPD key ID: 0xB13480A6 - 591A 30A7 36A0 CE3C 3D28  A038 E49D 7365
> B134
> >>>>> 80A6
> >>>>> - vrijwilliger https://nl.libreoffice.org
> >>>>> - volunteer https://www.libreoffice.org
> >>>>> - Member Board The Document Foundation
> >>>>> - http://www.nouenoff.nl / https://www.mijncloudoffice.nl
> >>>>>
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] A LibreOffie team for BOINC

[Drew Jensen]

Howdy,

Wonderful.

Climateprediction.net would be a good addition - IDK if I have to do that
or anyone can do that - I'll find out later today and let you know either
way in a follow up email.

Best wishes,

Drew

On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 9:54 AM Sophia Schröder <
sophia.schroe...@libreoffice.org> wrote:

> Just joined and crunching.
>
> BTW: Could we extend it (the team) to, e.g. climateprediction. net and
> Science United?
>
> Am 17.06.2019 um 16:50 schrieb Drew Jensen:
> > To close out this thread.
> >
> > The page on the wiki has been setup and the BOINC project team records
> have
> > been updated to reference it as the team home page.
> >
> > The folks at World Community Grid have been very nice about resharing,
> from
> > the WCG official twitter account, my twitter postings about the team.
> >
> > After talking with a fellow at WCG the idea would be to host two team
> > challenges a year, in close step with the TDF release 6 mos release
> > schedule.
> > Presently, am planning on setting up the first Semi-Annual LibreOffice
> > Release, Libo Crunch hosted, team challenge on the WCG service to
> coincide
> > with the LibreOffice 6.3 Release.
> >
> > Will follow with details on that in a separate email thread, likely next
> > week.
> >
> > Best wishes,
> >
> > Drew
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Jun 8, 2019 at 4:20 PM Drew Jensen 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Howdy,
> >>
> >> Alright then seems no one objects and I was thinking would make sense to
> >> put at
> >> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/boinc
> >> instead of a page with some team name - there could maybe be multiple
> >> teams, right.
> >>
> >> I'll plan to put something there tomorrow, again unless someone has a
> >> better place in mind, but assuming not then also made a graphic for a
> lure
> >> with that BOINC page name.
> >> Found here https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/f/152019
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >>
> >> Drew
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 7:43 AM Cor Nouws  wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi Drew,
> >>>
> >>> Drew Jensen wrote on 6/5/19 8:12 PM:
> >>>
> >>>> First - this is of course not a TDF official team.
> >>>>
> >>>> BOINC, I'm guessing many of you know what this is. A distributed
> system
> >>>> ...
> >>> Nice you're doing this!
> >>>
> >>>> Anyway, that was way more text then I intended to write. The question
> is
> >>>> about using a wiki page to tie it all together.
> >>> I think it's worth to put this on a wiki page, so that it can be easily
> >>> referred to now and then, so that people interested..  ;)
> >>>
> >>> Greetings,
> >>> Cor
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Cor Nouws
> >>> GPD key ID: 0xB13480A6 - 591A 30A7 36A0 CE3C 3D28  A038 E49D 7365 B134
> >>> 80A6
> >>> - vrijwilliger https://nl.libreoffice.org
> >>> - volunteer https://www.libreoffice.org
> >>> - Member Board The Document Foundation
> >>> - http://www.nouenoff.nl / https://www.mijncloudoffice.nl
> >>>
>
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] A LibreOffie team for BOINC

[Drew Jensen]

To close out this thread.

The page on the wiki has been setup and the BOINC project team records have
been updated to reference it as the team home page.

The folks at World Community Grid have been very nice about resharing, from
the WCG official twitter account, my twitter postings about the team.

After talking with a fellow at WCG the idea would be to host two team
challenges a year, in close step with the TDF release 6 mos release
schedule.
Presently, am planning on setting up the first Semi-Annual LibreOffice
Release, Libo Crunch hosted, team challenge on the WCG service to coincide
with the LibreOffice 6.3 Release.

Will follow with details on that in a separate email thread, likely next
week.

Best wishes,

Drew



On Sat, Jun 8, 2019 at 4:20 PM Drew Jensen 
wrote:

> Howdy,
>
> Alright then seems no one objects and I was thinking would make sense to
> put at
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/boinc
> instead of a page with some team name - there could maybe be multiple
> teams, right.
>
> I'll plan to put something there tomorrow, again unless someone has a
> better place in mind, but assuming not then also made a graphic for a lure
> with that BOINC page name.
> Found here https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/f/152019
>
> Thanks
>
> Drew
>
> On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 7:43 AM Cor Nouws  wrote:
>
>> Hi Drew,
>>
>> Drew Jensen wrote on 6/5/19 8:12 PM:
>>
>> > First - this is of course not a TDF official team.
>> >
>> > BOINC, I'm guessing many of you know what this is. A distributed system
>> > ...
>>
>> Nice you're doing this!
>>
>> > Anyway, that was way more text then I intended to write. The question is
>> > about using a wiki page to tie it all together.
>>
>> I think it's worth to put this on a wiki page, so that it can be easily
>> referred to now and then, so that people interested..  ;)
>>
>> Greetings,
>> Cor
>>
>> --
>> Cor Nouws
>> GPD key ID: 0xB13480A6 - 591A 30A7 36A0 CE3C 3D28  A038 E49D 7365 B134
>> 80A6
>> - vrijwilliger https://nl.libreoffice.org
>> - volunteer https://www.libreoffice.org
>> - Member Board The Document Foundation
>> - http://www.nouenoff.nl / https://www.mijncloudoffice.nl
>>
>

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[libreoffice-marketing] A LibreOffie team for BOINC

[Drew Jensen]

Howdy,

First - this is of course not a TDF official team.

BOINC, I'm guessing many of you know what this is. A distributed system
where people can dedicate some CPU/GPU cycles from their computers for the
computation needs of certain academic projects. For those who do not some
details available here: https://boinc.berkeley.edu/

BOINC supports creation of teams and these teams can if they choose take
part in challenge contests with other teams. It is all for bragging rights
and a way to have some fun while doing something worthwhile.

So - a few years back (2012) I setup a BOINC Wide team named LibO
Crunchers. I then did pretty much nothing to promote it, but kept at least
one computer (a netbook running 24/7) hooked up and working on projects
through about 2017, at which time I retired the machine and kind of forgot
about it.

Very recently, realizing the team was still registered with a couple of
projects at BOINC setup on another machine and started it 'crunching
numbers' on tasks again.

I would like to do something I didn't do back in 2012 and try to actually
generate some interest in getting other folks to join up.  To that end;
First, I would would like to use a page on the TDF wiki as a Team website,
which is why this email - I won't do that if folks would rather I didn't.

The BOINC team was registered with the following options;
Name: LibO Cruncers for LibreOffice boosters.
Type: Non Profit Organization
Location: International

Participation by individuals and teams can be reflected through badges
issued by the BOINC network. There are multiple statistic systems which
offer this service each supports only a subset of languages and subsets of
academic instiutiions. The LibO team is registered with three stat systems:
BOINCStats (UC Berkley)
https://boincstats.com/en/stats/-1/team/detail/b95b8895d166ef3b5237b05396bad08d

Free-DC (US)
https://stats.free-dc.org/stats.php?page=teambycpid=LibO+Crunchers

SETIBZH (Europe) https://statsbzh.boinc-af.org/  This team registration
seems to have lapsed, will reconnect that.

Anyway, that was way more text then I intended to write. The question is
about using a wiki page to tie it all together.

Thanks and best wishes,

Drew

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[libreoffice-marketing] What all is there for developers to work on?

[Drew Jensen]

Howdy,

Getting ready to share this blog posting
https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2019/06/03/start-developing-libreoffice-registering-with-git-and-gerrit-and-local-settings/

Thinking about the value added text for the share post;

Seems worth mentioning there are multiple projects a person could
contribute to:
LibreOffice Desktop Suite
LibreOffice Online
LibreOffice Android Viewer
Document Liberation Project

Each distinct enough to mention separately IMO and just wondering if I'm
missing something there?

Thanks and best wishes,

Drew

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Collective Action: How public Money improved LibreOffice

[Drew Jensen]

Howdy,

The presentation became available today,
https://www.doxisafe.me/#/safe/retrieve/flisol2019-munich

Thanks and best wishes,

Drew

On Wed, May 8, 2019 at 7:46 AM Mike Saunders <
mike.saund...@documentfoundation.org> wrote:

> Hi Drew,
>
> On 07/05/2019 20:32, Drew Jensen wrote:
> >
> > I know it has only been two weeks but I was really hoping, if there was a
> > presentation as part of the talk, that the presentation had been made
> > available - I've searched the German groups website but can't find
> > anything.
>
> The talk was given by Marina Latini, I believe, so I'm including her in
> this mail in case she hasn't seen this thread. Marina, do you have any
> slides from your talk at Cafe Netzwerk?
>
> Cheers,
> Mike
>

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] NextCloud blog about Secure View with Collabora Office

[Drew Jensen]

Well, saw another blog today, right here from TDF, and as consistence had
an iPad available (for the first time).

So, took the chance to make another screen shot graphic, with the iPad
(safari) and using one of the spreadsheets mentioned in that newspaper
article I shared a few days back. The one that no one in th EU could see.
Sorry about that.

Anyway the graphic I put up to the NC server (marketing shared images) as a
.odg file, so it could be dismantled as needed.
direct link is: https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/f/145569

The social media post I used the image with is:
--

The Document Foundation (TDF) announced today that Adfinis SyGroup – a
Swiss FOSS company headquarted in Bern, with offices in Basel, Zurich and
Crissier (Vaud) – has joined the project’s Advisory Board.

“Our support for LibreOffice is part of our strategy to not only use FOSS
software, but actively enable its improvement, strengthening the ecosystem
and through that making the solution usable for more people. We are working
closely with our partner Collabora as they invest in the iOS port, as well
as helping branded LibreOffice products to gain more market share in the
enterprise environment. By convincing more corporate and government
organizations to choose an enterprise subscription for a branded
LibreOffice we help to fund resources to further improve the product and
project. We’re looking forward to contribute our many years of experience
as part of the FOSS community, as well as our strong network to enterprise
customers, to the TDF Advisory Board in order to contribute to one of the
most important FOSS projects”, says Nicolas Christener, Adfinis SyGroup CEO
and CTO.

https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2019/05/23/the-document-foundation-welcomes-adfinis-sygroup-to-the-projects-advisory-board/

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and for good measure, also put a screen shot of another one of ranch
management spreadsheets, but on a low end Android tablet. That .odg file is
here: https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/f/145570

Drew



On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 11:13 AM Drew Jensen 
wrote:

> FYI
> Used the TDF nexcloud server to make the shots and to get use to how the
> feature works.
>
> It may not be the absolute latest releases or either NC or LOOL but the
> basic description from the NextCloud blog worked as expected when I tried
> it on the TDF instance.
>
> Drew
>
> On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 10:57 AM Mike Saunders <
> mike.saund...@documentfoundation.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi Drew,
>>
>> Thanks for making those screenshots! They're really useful for
>> highlighting new features in action. It looks like this is available in
>> Collabora Online 4.0, so when it's also available in LibreOffice Online
>> (6.3? maybe someone from Collabora can comment) then we can talk about
>> it. Indeed, I could use the screenshots in my New Features video :-)
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> On 21/05/2019 23:46, Drew Jensen wrote:
>> > Howdy,
>> >
>> > Today on Twitter saw a link to recent NextCloud blog posting relevant
>> here,
>> > wanted to share it and wanted to make a bit more LOOL focused visual
>> > content. Put together two graphic files and posted up this to go with
>> them:
>> > --
>> >
>> > *NextCloud* and *Collabora Online* work together for a Secure view to
>> your
>> > documents.
>> >
>> > Secure View
>> > Prevent your shared files from getting downloaded!
>> >
>> >- While maintaining the support for collaborative editing
>> >
>> > More details in the NextCloud blog:
>> >
>> https://nextcloud.com/blog/secure-view-prevent-your-shared-files-from-getting-downloaded/
>> >
>> > 
>> >
>> > Put the the two images, one showing a readonly share and the second an
>> > share with edit right, up in the shared marketing folder:
>> >
>> > Read-only (direct URL)
>> https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/f/145044
>> >
>> > Editable mode (direct URL)
>> https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/f/145048
>> >
>> > Best wishes,
>> >
>> > Drew
>> >
>>
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] NextCloud blog about Secure View with Collabora Office

[Drew Jensen]

FYI
Used the TDF nexcloud server to make the shots and to get use to how the
feature works.

It may not be the absolute latest releases or either NC or LOOL but the
basic description from the NextCloud blog worked as expected when I tried
it on the TDF instance.

Drew

On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 10:57 AM Mike Saunders <
mike.saund...@documentfoundation.org> wrote:

> Hi Drew,
>
> Thanks for making those screenshots! They're really useful for
> highlighting new features in action. It looks like this is available in
> Collabora Online 4.0, so when it's also available in LibreOffice Online
> (6.3? maybe someone from Collabora can comment) then we can talk about
> it. Indeed, I could use the screenshots in my New Features video :-)
>
> Cheers,
> Mike
>
>
> On 21/05/2019 23:46, Drew Jensen wrote:
> > Howdy,
> >
> > Today on Twitter saw a link to recent NextCloud blog posting relevant
> here,
> > wanted to share it and wanted to make a bit more LOOL focused visual
> > content. Put together two graphic files and posted up this to go with
> them:
> > --
> >
> > *NextCloud* and *Collabora Online* work together for a Secure view to
> your
> > documents.
> >
> > Secure View
> > Prevent your shared files from getting downloaded!
> >
> >- While maintaining the support for collaborative editing
> >
> > More details in the NextCloud blog:
> >
> https://nextcloud.com/blog/secure-view-prevent-your-shared-files-from-getting-downloaded/
> >
> > 
> >
> > Put the the two images, one showing a readonly share and the second an
> > share with edit right, up in the shared marketing folder:
> >
> > Read-only (direct URL) https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/f/145044
> >
> > Editable mode (direct URL)
> https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/f/145048
> >
> > Best wishes,
> >
> > Drew
> >
>
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibreOffice logo use for a book

[Drew Jensen]

I see it just the opposite, by saying it is for external use to me that
means without further need to ask anyone for permission.

On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 6:34 AM Cor Nouws  wrote:

> Hi Drew,
>
> Drew Jensen wrote on 5/22/19 11:47 AM:
> > That is the role of the external logo, available from the branding page
> you
> > list. Isn't it?
>
> Ah sure. Thanks.
> However no hint there that anyone should be asked. Somehow I have the
> idea that it is needed though.
>
>
> > On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 10:25 PM Cor Nouws  wrote:
>
> >> I'm in contact with someone publishing books in Dutch on LibreOffice.
> >> Task-oriented. It would be nice if there is some LibreOffice logo on/in
> >> the book.
> >>
> >> The wiki
> >>   https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding
> >> does not refer to that.
> >> A mail to legal@documentfoundation is needed?
>
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibreOffice logo use for a book

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Howdy,

That is the role of the external logo, available from the branding page you
list. Isn't it?

Best wishes,

Drew

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>
> I'm in contact with someone publishing books in Dutch on LibreOffice.
> Task-oriented. It would be nice if there is some LibreOffice logo on/in
> the book.
>
> The wiki
>   https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding
> does not refer to that.
> A mail to legal@documentfoundation is needed?
>
> Thanks,
> Cor
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[libreoffice-marketing] NextCloud blog about Secure View with Collabora Office

[Drew Jensen]

Howdy,

Today on Twitter saw a link to recent NextCloud blog posting relevant here,
wanted to share it and wanted to make a bit more LOOL focused visual
content. Put together two graphic files and posted up this to go with them:
--

*NextCloud* and *Collabora Online* work together for a Secure view to your
documents.

Secure View
Prevent your shared files from getting downloaded!

   - While maintaining the support for collaborative editing

More details in the NextCloud blog:
https://nextcloud.com/blog/secure-view-prevent-your-shared-files-from-getting-downloaded/



Put the the two images, one showing a readonly share and the second an
share with edit right, up in the shared marketing folder:

Read-only (direct URL) https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/f/145044

Editable mode (direct URL) https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/f/145048

Best wishes,

Drew

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Libreoffice vs Apache OpenOffice: how to choose the right free office suite for you | TechRadar

[Drew Jensen]

Howdy,

I wanted to add something here - today I read an article about South Korea
planning to switch from Windows 7 to (some version of) Linux.
Reading over the comments it is clear that people are in more than a few
cases referring to features supported in LibreOffice but attributing them
to OpenOffice (where they are not).

So I put this here because the comment in a previous email, "but in general
we try
to avoid comparisons with Apache OpenOffice."

I think that is a mistake.

Best wishes,

Drew


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> I have poked the editor in chief and the journalist by email, but I did
> not get any answer. This is rather typical though, as publishers do not
> like being poked for mistakes.
>
> On 18/05/19 13:09, William Gathoye wrote:
> > Hi Italo,
> >
> > Did you get any news from her?
> >
> > Managing the LibreOfficeFR Twitter account, I have been made aware of
> > this article by users, the same day it has been published.
> >
> > I tried to ping the author as well via Twitter/LinkedIn but no answer
> > from her.
> >
> > Did you get positive results from your side?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
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[libreoffice-marketing] Libreoffice makes the local paper in the heartland (Nebraska)

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https://rapidcityjournal.com/decision-tools-for-ranchers/article_0ceae666-3410-5e11-a7d9-a69b3bb63afc.html

Came across this on a social media site and it reminded me that twice I've
helped ranchers, on using Calc and the other Base, to schedule and track
vaccinations for their livestock herds.

Best wishes,

Drew

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[libreoffice-marketing] Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Marketing Call May 16

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Howdy,

Sorry to have missed that meeting, was interested in the ODF Advocacy
Project info and it doesn't appear there are minutes from these meetings
which is fine.

So I started following the github repo for the project, signed up for the
project mailing list (didn't say hello because I don't want to be the first
person to post there) and figuring I can help with, if nothing else some
graphics work, will send in the CLA form to oasis. I suppose that is about
everything there is to do at the moment.

Best wishes,

Drew

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> Marketing call is scheduled for Thursday, May 16, at 2:30 PM CEST (to
> avoid overlapping with the design call scheduled for this Thursday) on
> the Jitsi channel: https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/tdf-marketing.
>
> AGENDA
>
> 1. LibOCon Asia
> 2. LibOCon Latin America
> 3. 10th Anniversary in 2020
> 4. LibreOffice 6.3
> 5. OASIS ODF Advocacy Project
> 6. Other
>
> If you want to discuss other topics, please send them by next Tuesday,
> May 14.
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[libreoffice-marketing] Time to reitre the G+ buttons on TDF blog

[Drew Jensen]

Howdy,

Reading the TDF blog today I noticed that there is a Google Plus share
button in the footer.

It appears the blog uses a third party to handle the clicks on those
buttons so maybe they need to be contacted or maybe just an update to the
blog source, IDK.

Best wishes,

Drew

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[libreoffice-marketing] Tip about graphics and sharing

[Drew Jensen]

Howdy,

Not sure this the correct list.

Ran into a problem sharing some pages from the TDF wiki.

Apparently there is at least once case of a page using a background image,
in the head of page, and then floating another .png image over it with Text
and transparent background.

The problem is that when that is shared what gets picked up is the top
.png, which in this case is using white text since the background is green,
but in the external system that .png with transparent background is now
placed on a white background.

Just something to watch for.

Best wishes,

Drew

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[libreoffice-marketing] Re: Collective Action: How public Money improved LibreOffice

[Drew Jensen]

Bump

I know it has only been two weeks but I was really hoping, if there was a
presentation as part of the talk, that the presentation had been made
available - I've searched the German groups website but can't find
anything.

Any chance that is available?

Thanks and best wishes

Drew

On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 7:15 AM Drew Jensen 
wrote:

> Howdy,
>
> I was hoping that if an Impress file is part of the above presentation it
> would be available on-line, later? If so I would love a link to it.
>
> Otherwise, hoping all have a great time at Frühlingsfest 2019 this weekend.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Drew
>
> ps I shared details on the presentation on the TDF page over at MeWe, I
> assume that anything LibreOffice related from TDF Advisory board member
> vendors is appropriate for a foundation focused page.
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: [libreoffice-documentation] TDF has been accepted as Google Seasons of Doc mentoring organization.

[Drew Jensen]

Well I had to put a little bit of this excited energy to use so constructed
a simple, retro styled, GSoD graphic.
I put a snapshot of it in the shared marketing/images folder at
https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/f/138296
Let me know if I can do anything along these lines further.

Drew

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> I will write a blog post about the GSoD, possibly on Thursday (to avoid
> overlapping with the Month of LibreOffice Announcement, and the LibOCon
> Reminders - registration, call for papers, call for locations -
> published tomorrow).
>
> On 30/04/19 17:56, Mike Saunders wrote:
>
> > Let's see what information we have already, and if Italo is planning to
> > write something about it, then we can work from there...
>
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: [libreoffice-documentation] TDF has been accepted as Google Seasons of Doc mentoring organization.

[Drew Jensen]

Howdy Mike,

Yes, that all makes sense; I just got all excited.

Thanks,

Drew

On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 11:56 AM Mike Saunders <
mike.saund...@documentfoundation.org> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On 30/04/2019 17:27, Drew Jensen wrote:
> >
> > Also Mike has a blog post coming out tomorrow for Month of LibreOffice
> and
> > I'm guessing this will be mentioned in that, so could just wait to share
> > that.
>
> I think this deserves a separate message. They are unrelated topics (we
> don't want people to think that contributing to the Month of LibreOffice
> has anything to do with Google Season of Docs, or vice-versa). We need
> to keep the messaging clear and "big up" each one on its own merit :-)
>
> Let's see what information we have already, and if Italo is planning to
> write something about it, then we can work from there...
>
> Mike
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[libreoffice-marketing] Re: [libreoffice-documentation] TDF has been accepted as Google Seasons of Doc mentoring organization.

[Drew Jensen]

Great news Olivier,

Seeing this my first thought was to post over on social media page about it.
(CC the marking list here)

Thinking I should run this by you before I do, perhaps we want a day or two
to update the wiki page first?

Also Mike has a blog post coming out tomorrow for Month of LibreOffice and
I'm guessing this will be mentioned in that, so could just wait to share
that.

Even with the GSoD in tomorrows blog though I would want to do a separate
post within a day or two after that, so I can share it to some writer
specific groups.

Actually what makes sense is to look at a draft post tomorrow on the jitsi
call. Will have it ready.

Best wishes,

Drew



On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 10:52 AM Olivier Hallot <
olivier.hal...@libreoffice.org> wrote:

> Hello Team
>
> We are happy to inform that the Foundation has been accepted as
> organization for the Google Seasons of Docs
>
> The next deadline in the process is May 28th, were we must find
> interested technical writers to discuss our ideas.
>
> I have listed some of our ideas in the following wiki page
>
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/GSoDOC/2019
>
> and you will recognize our permanent challenges, which is no reason to
> prevent you from adding your own ideas.
>
> I expect that, given the very wide scope of LibreOffice application
> areas, we will have interested technical writers to join the program
> under TDF mentoring.
>
> We also have to nominate ourself for mentoring our technical writers.
> Please forward you name if you are interested in the job.
>
> Kind regards.
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Libreoffice vs Apache OpenOffice: how to choose the right free office suite for you | TechRadar

[Drew Jensen]

From the article;

"Language support

If you're multilingual, it's worth noting that Apache OpenOffice offers
more in terms of flexibility when it comes to languages, letting you
download additional language patches as plugins. If you choose LibreOffice,
you'll need to pick one language at the start and stick with it."

That's not right.

The article also talks about the UI being old looking and then fails to
mention the new UI (notebook bar) elements in LibreOffice.


The article also misses that there are large numbers of spreadsheets in MSO
format that will not function in AOO, lack of functions, which work in
LibreOffice.


Then there is the question of performance, LibreOffice has the edge here in
Calc when needing to crunch lots of data, with the multi-core threading
support. Not mentioned.


There is likely others.





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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Libreoffice vs Apache OpenOffice: how to choose the right free office suite for you | TechRadar

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From the article:
"Language support
If you're multilingual, it's worth noting that Apache OpenOffice offers
more in terms of flexibility when it comes to languages, letting you
download additional language patches as plugins. If you choose LibreOffice,
you'll need to pick one language at the start and stick with it."

That's right.

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[libreoffice-marketing] iconography on TDF SocMedia page [was:] Social Media site MeWe and possible presence?

[Drew Jensen]

Howdy,

FYI, opening day ( a couple of direct invites, and a share into a Linux
group, so folks to folks I knew knew what TDF is) I used a photo from one
of the TDF events - People in other words, no text over top. The page
picked up 10 followers from that for 13 total. (either a really small
number or a large daily change percentage wise *smile*)

Today I changed out that photo for a custom graphic header with logos for
context, and sans the people.Click on  https://mewe.com/p/documentfoundation
and visualize that with only a photo and no logos and it makes sense to
change.

The graphic is now on the shared marketing folder as
https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/f/135135

I really like the use of people representing TDF though and I might blend
the photo into that header image..we'll see.

Best wishes,

Drew

On Thu, Apr 18, 2019 at 2:59 PM Drew Jensen 
wrote:

> Howdy,
>
> Well, the short version is I went ahead and Published a Document
> Foundation Page on the service today.
>
> Today's post was on the 6.2.3 release with link to blog announcement,
> sharing that post twice; in a private group and on my public stream.
>
> Currently there are three followers, Sophie G, Italo V and myself.
>
> A page will not return in Mewe page search or page browser view until it
> has minimum five followers.
>
> So, if anyone reading this is using the service and wants to help get past
> that first goal of five followers the page url is:
> https://mewe.com/p/documentfoundation
>
> That's good for a short version, huh..
>
> Drew
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 8:32 AM Drew Jensen 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 3:38 AM Mike Saunders <
>> mike.saund...@documentfoundation.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Drew,
>>>
>>> On 01/04/2019 21:58, Drew Jensen wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Last minute thought; I know but, if by any chance you used Google
>>> Takeout
>>> > to retrieve the Google Plus posts from the LO and/or TDF account pages
>>> and
>>> > (the big one) IF you picked JSON for the type data in the zip file
>>> created
>>> > there is a way to automatically load all the top level posts into MeWe
>>> > using a tool of their own creation. No idea if it could load to a Page
>>> vs
>>> > User Account but maybe that would be possible.
>>>
>>> Thanks for your help with the MeWe page. Regarding G+, Florian
>>> (Effenberger) did a Google Takeout a few days ago, as he is the original
>>> owner (as an admin, that option wasn't available to me). So we do have
>>> the data, although Florian mentioned that it might be also combined with
>>> his personal data/posts...
>>>
>>
>> well, that's a problem then.
>>
>>>
>>>

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] List of Web Hosting providers offering LibreOffice Online as part of their service?

[Drew Jensen]

Howdy,

On Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 10:06 AM FINCHHOST  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> i think you can choose from nextcloud online provider you can signup with
> free nextcloud acount with libreoffice online available on it
>
> https://nextcloud.com/signup/
> <https://link.getmailspring.com/link/b9118473-1442-4576-8b4c-705d2e1e6...@getmailspring.com/0?redirect=https%3A%2F%2Fnextcloud.com%2Fsignup%2F=ZHJld2plbnNlbi5pbmJveEBnbWFpbC5jb20%3D>
>

Excellent.

Looking at it; Five preferred NC providers that's it, and doesn't
necessarily get you a free LOOL. I know because I just signed up at all
five.

One hosting provider included LibreOffice Online (an older 6.0 version)
with the free package.
One hosting provider provided LOOL via Collabora Developer CODE appliance.
The remaining providers did not include it in the free account but it was
available for a fee.

Thanks, that was a good lead.

Best wishes,

Drew


>
>
> On Apr 17 2019, at 4:12 pm, Drew Jensen 
> wrote:
>
> Howdy,
>
> The other day I was in a conversation with some folks on a social media
> site in a Linux and Open Source group. The question came up about a
> GDocs/MSO365 replacement.
>
> LibreOffice Online was made as a suggestion.
>
> A question came up about how much disk space a person got when they signed
> up for LibreOffie Online. I explained that it was available as source, and
> pointed to the CODE package at Collabora and that a number of hosting
> providers offered the service.
>
> I then went looking for a list of which hosting providers do so. I found a
> few on the Collabora, mostly by scanning press releases.
>
> I was wondering if there is a list being maintained anywhere of those?
>
> If not then I would like to work on putting one together.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Drew
>
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: List of Web Hosting providers offering LibreOffice Online as part of their service?

[Drew Jensen]

Howdy Warren, et al

In that last email I really should off directed you to the main website
https://www.libreoffice.org/download/libreoffice-online/

I think the links, bottom of the page, answer your questions.

drew

On Fri, Apr 19, 2019 at 8:49 AM Drew Jensen 
wrote:

> Howdy,
>
> On Thu, Apr 18, 2019 at 12:26 PM Warren Camilleri <
> warrencamill...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Sorry for crashing into the thread,
>>
>> For example i run my own systems, and would like to run and offer
>> LO-Online as i just found out about it from this thread and would like to
>> try it my self before i may recommend to educational and SME's (as best to
>> answer thier IT sections questions when asked), may someone refer me to the
>> documentation to host it? additionally i would me able to do artwork and
>> write ups if needed for this, in English and Maltese.
>>
>
> First thing; If you have a newer version of LibreOffice then you already
> have LibreOffice Online - the online version is the the desktop version.
> What is different, the application would run headless and properly
> configured work within a LAMP environment. There are some blog posts that
> cover how to do that (I don't have links right off hand) but it would be
> less then overwhelming if you just fired up a copy of LibreOffice from
> within your LAMP server.
>
> Second; the pieces that need to be added on to LibreOffie when running
> behind your web server are delivered by marrying LO with a content
> management system. NextCloud integration is a good example of this.
> You can find information on that at the NextCloud webiste:
> https://nextcloud.com/collaboraonline/ and you will notice that
> Collabora, a vendor which is on the advisory board for TDF and which
> supplies much of the engineering resources behind the effort, is who
> supplies the production ready incantation of LibreOffice Online.
>
> Third; if you want an easy way to test this, the Collabora folks offer
> appliances (docker image for example) with both NextCloud and Collabora
> Office ready to go. You can find information on that here:
> https://www.collaboraoffice.com/code/
>
> Finally, If you are going to look at deploying within your organization
> then I would highly recommend you look at a support contract from a
> Document Foundation Certified vendor.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Drew
>
>
>>
>> i may also blog about this on ossmalta.eu and ask if the local linux
>> user group would like to collaborate on this for the Maltese region for
>> raising awareness.
>>
>> regards,
>> Warren.
>>
>> On Thu, 18 Apr 2019 at 17:34, Drew Jensen 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Howdy Cor, et al,
>>>
>>> Yes about market share, the reason I thought it a worthwhile to help
>>> drive
>>> (advertise...can I say that here) usage via hosting operators as they
>>> should be a healthy source of 'food  [revenue] for feeding the bulldog
>>> [paid development]'.
>>>
>>> Also Yes, list maintenance is an issue.
>>>
>>> Maybe come at it as a blog post consisting of a survey of which web
>>> hosting
>>> operations are already offering Collabora Online (LibreOffice Online)
>>> with
>>> some details of those offerings. This becomes a snapshot in time then
>>> instead of a list needing update.
>>>
>>> I don't know if NextCloud w/ Collabora Online is the only news which
>>> could
>>> go in that article. As you say there is a difference between LibreOffice
>>> Online and Collabora Online, so if there are organizations deploying
>>> LibreOffice Online differently and some information could be had for
>>> inclusion I think that would be a good idea.
>>>
>>> Maybe not a bad idea for an online tech journal article either, just
>>> saying.
>>>
>>> Best wishes,
>>> Drew
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 10:57 AM Cor Nouws  wrote:
>>>
>>> > Hi Drew, all,
>>> >
>>> > Drew Jensen wrote on 4/17/19 3:49 PM:
>>> >
>>> > > So I think it would be good to create a list that has some chance of
>>> > being
>>> > > found if someone searched for 'Web hosts offering LibreOffice
>>> Online' or
>>> > > something similar.
>>> >
>>> > Thanks for bringing this up :)
>>> > Three thoughts:
>>> > Initially, it can be a good idea. Maybe. I guess it can help grow
>>> > market. Maintaining lists, is often a problem we know. Especially
>>> > since... how can we find the ne

Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: List of Web Hosting providers offering LibreOffice Online as part of their service?

[Drew Jensen]

Howdy,

On Thu, Apr 18, 2019 at 12:26 PM Warren Camilleri 
wrote:

> Sorry for crashing into the thread,
>
> For example i run my own systems, and would like to run and offer
> LO-Online as i just found out about it from this thread and would like to
> try it my self before i may recommend to educational and SME's (as best to
> answer thier IT sections questions when asked), may someone refer me to the
> documentation to host it? additionally i would me able to do artwork and
> write ups if needed for this, in English and Maltese.
>

First thing; If you have a newer version of LibreOffice then you already
have LibreOffice Online - the online version is the the desktop version.
What is different, the application would run headless and properly
configured work within a LAMP environment. There are some blog posts that
cover how to do that (I don't have links right off hand) but it would be
less then overwhelming if you just fired up a copy of LibreOffice from
within your LAMP server.

Second; the pieces that need to be added on to LibreOffie when running
behind your web server are delivered by marrying LO with a content
management system. NextCloud integration is a good example of this.
You can find information on that at the NextCloud webiste:
https://nextcloud.com/collaboraonline/ and you will notice that Collabora,
a vendor which is on the advisory board for TDF and which supplies much of
the engineering resources behind the effort, is who supplies the production
ready incantation of LibreOffice Online.

Third; if you want an easy way to test this, the Collabora folks offer
appliances (docker image for example) with both NextCloud and Collabora
Office ready to go. You can find information on that here:
https://www.collaboraoffice.com/code/

Finally, If you are going to look at deploying within your organization
then I would highly recommend you look at a support contract from a
Document Foundation Certified vendor.

Best wishes,

Drew


>
> i may also blog about this on ossmalta.eu and ask if the local linux user
> group would like to collaborate on this for the Maltese region for raising
> awareness.
>
> regards,
> Warren.
>
> On Thu, 18 Apr 2019 at 17:34, Drew Jensen 
> wrote:
>
>> Howdy Cor, et al,
>>
>> Yes about market share, the reason I thought it a worthwhile to help drive
>> (advertise...can I say that here) usage via hosting operators as they
>> should be a healthy source of 'food  [revenue] for feeding the bulldog
>> [paid development]'.
>>
>> Also Yes, list maintenance is an issue.
>>
>> Maybe come at it as a blog post consisting of a survey of which web
>> hosting
>> operations are already offering Collabora Online (LibreOffice Online) with
>> some details of those offerings. This becomes a snapshot in time then
>> instead of a list needing update.
>>
>> I don't know if NextCloud w/ Collabora Online is the only news which could
>> go in that article. As you say there is a difference between LibreOffice
>> Online and Collabora Online, so if there are organizations deploying
>> LibreOffice Online differently and some information could be had for
>> inclusion I think that would be a good idea.
>>
>> Maybe not a bad idea for an online tech journal article either, just
>> saying.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>> Drew
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 10:57 AM Cor Nouws  wrote:
>>
>> > Hi Drew, all,
>> >
>> > Drew Jensen wrote on 4/17/19 3:49 PM:
>> >
>> > > So I think it would be good to create a list that has some chance of
>> > being
>> > > found if someone searched for 'Web hosts offering LibreOffice Online'
>> or
>> > > something similar.
>> >
>> > Thanks for bringing this up :)
>> > Three thoughts:
>> > Initially, it can be a good idea. Maybe. I guess it can help grow
>> > market. Maintaining lists, is often a problem we know. Especially
>> > since... how can we find the new/existing locations?
>> > Please note by the way, that there is Collabora Online and LibreOffice
>> > Online. Similar function wise, but different in support probably.
>> > Will it, when people know about it and start to search, ask at providers
>> > e.g., have a stimulating effect?
>> >
>> > greetings,
>> > Cor
>> >
>> > --
>> > Cor Nouws
>> > GPD key ID: 0xB13480A6 - 591A 30A7 36A0 CE3C 3D28  A038 E49D 7365 B134
>> 80A6
>> > - vrijwilliger https://nl.libreoffice.org
>> > - volunteer https://www.libreoffice.org
>> > - Member Board The Document Foundation
>> > - http://www.nouenoff.nl / https://www.mijncloudoffice.nl
>> &g

Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibreOffice promo trailer?

[Drew Jensen]

On Thu, Apr 18, 2019 at 12:33 PM Warren Camilleri 
wrote:

> Hi Drew,
>
> Howdy,


> if i understood correctly for example for General Advertisement
> (branding/Cheeky ads like Mac vs PC) to "tickle the Interest of users"
> these are usually short adverts say 30s or less.
> but if we want to tickle the interest of technical persons (presentation
> advertisement) then those would be the long. usually 1 minute or more.
>
> if this was the meaning as what is being worked on, where is the current
> library located for use? (assuming that i am not the only one looking for
> such material for airing)
>
i can point back to the youtube channel which Mike pointed to earliery
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIDFFLre08I
and two videos in particular there which capture the differences between
types of videos.

This is Libreoffice (long - features oriented)
https://youtu.be/3KC0ZdcA6s8

LibreOffice Viewer for Android (short - brand/emoting oriented)
https://youtu.be/zIDFFLre08I

There are other items there also as you will see.

Best wishes,

Drew


>
> regards,
> Warren.
>
> On Thu, 18 Apr 2019 at 17:13, Drew Jensen 
> wrote:
>
>> Howdy,
>>
>> Jonathon's really hit the mark, IMO, with how much of his last email is
>> phrased.
>>
>> Roland has a valid and important view also.
>>
>> I think the best way to address both, with a 'promo' video, is for TDF to
>> work towards three categories of promo videos:
>>
>> Work Product focused videos;
>> ie. LibreOffice.
>>  1 Encompassing both differentiating features/benefits (longer)
>>  2 Branding (short)
>>
>> TDF Community focused videos;
>> Longer format and cover the what is FOSS & OpenStandards and who is the
>> community called The Document Foundation
>>
>> So I think current video covers work product features and is long.
>> I bet there is one that covers the community focus also and it is long.
>> I'm figuring anything longer than 30 seconds is long here.
>>
>> There isn't a short branding video however. Would that be accurate?
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Drew
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 8:47 PM jonathon  wrote:
>>
>> > On 4/17/19 9:11 PM, Roland Hummel wrote:
>> >
>> > > "Yes, LO is nice but it won't beat MS Office because in MSO we will
>> have
>> > artificial intelligence".
>> >
>> > If the battlefield is functionality, and AI is important,in 2018, the
>> > five most important AI programming languages were:
>> > * Python;
>> > * LISP;
>> > * C++;
>> > * Java;
>> > * Prolog;
>> >
>> > Two (Three? I'm not sure about C++) are built-in macro languages. LISP
>> > and Prolog are easy enough to add.
>> >
>> > There is documentation on installing and using R as a macro language.
>> >
>> > Which underscores that the big issue in the functionality war, is not
>> > what is available, but rather, the knowledge that the features are
>> > available, and how to use them.
>> >
>> > _TL;DR: Documentation, not implementation._
>> >
>> > I'm not sure why being able to grab LinkedIn resumes from within Excel
>> > is a good thing, but that is the type of functionality that Microsoft is
>> > adding. IMNSHO, this type of functionality is best provided by extension
>> > developers.
>> >
>> > End users can more easily customize LibO, than MSO, etc.
>> >
>> > > base of any argumentation because it is the only superior starting
>> > position LO has.
>> >
>> > For most organizations, ethics is nothing more than a feel-good talking
>> > point. Something that is neither implemented, nor observed.
>> > As such, appeals based on ethical principles fall upon deaf ears.
>> >
>> > > Starting from software freedom any further argumentation will convince
>> > (at least in societies claiming freedom as fundamental part of a
>> society):
>> > > -because LO is freedom respecting it is secure
>> > > -because LO is freedom respecting it is privacy respecting
>> > > -because LO is freedom respecting it serves the user
>> > > -because LO is freedom respecting it is sustainable
>> >
>> > Neither people nor organizations are concerned about those things, until
>> > they discover that their data has been passed on to nefarious third
>> > parties, by their software vendor.
>> >
>> > A white paper showing how LibO meets requirements for various privacy
&

Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Social Media site MeWe and possible presence?

[Drew Jensen]

Howdy,

Well, the short version is I went ahead and Published a Document Foundation
Page on the service today.

Today's post was on the 6.2.3 release with link to blog announcement,
sharing that post twice; in a private group and on my public stream.

Currently there are three followers, Sophie G, Italo V and myself.

A page will not return in Mewe page search or page browser view until it
has minimum five followers.

So, if anyone reading this is using the service and wants to help get past
that first goal of five followers the page url is:
https://mewe.com/p/documentfoundation

That's good for a short version, huh..

Drew







On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 8:32 AM Drew Jensen 
wrote:

>
>
> On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 3:38 AM Mike Saunders <
> mike.saund...@documentfoundation.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi Drew,
>>
>> On 01/04/2019 21:58, Drew Jensen wrote:
>> >
>> > Last minute thought; I know but, if by any chance you used Google
>> Takeout
>> > to retrieve the Google Plus posts from the LO and/or TDF account pages
>> and
>> > (the big one) IF you picked JSON for the type data in the zip file
>> created
>> > there is a way to automatically load all the top level posts into MeWe
>> > using a tool of their own creation. No idea if it could load to a Page
>> vs
>> > User Account but maybe that would be possible.
>>
>> Thanks for your help with the MeWe page. Regarding G+, Florian
>> (Effenberger) did a Google Takeout a few days ago, as he is the original
>> owner (as an admin, that option wasn't available to me). So we do have
>> the data, although Florian mentioned that it might be also combined with
>> his personal data/posts...
>>
>
> well, that's a problem then.
>
>>
>>

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: List of Web Hosting providers offering LibreOffice Online as part of their service?

[Drew Jensen]

Howdy Cor, et al,

Yes about market share, the reason I thought it a worthwhile to help drive
(advertise...can I say that here) usage via hosting operators as they
should be a healthy source of 'food  [revenue] for feeding the bulldog
[paid development]'.

Also Yes, list maintenance is an issue.

Maybe come at it as a blog post consisting of a survey of which web hosting
operations are already offering Collabora Online (LibreOffice Online) with
some details of those offerings. This becomes a snapshot in time then
instead of a list needing update.

I don't know if NextCloud w/ Collabora Online is the only news which could
go in that article. As you say there is a difference between LibreOffice
Online and Collabora Online, so if there are organizations deploying
LibreOffice Online differently and some information could be had for
inclusion I think that would be a good idea.

Maybe not a bad idea for an online tech journal article either, just
saying.

Best wishes,
Drew

On Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 10:57 AM Cor Nouws  wrote:

> Hi Drew, all,
>
> Drew Jensen wrote on 4/17/19 3:49 PM:
>
> > So I think it would be good to create a list that has some chance of
> being
> > found if someone searched for 'Web hosts offering LibreOffice Online' or
> > something similar.
>
> Thanks for bringing this up :)
> Three thoughts:
> Initially, it can be a good idea. Maybe. I guess it can help grow
> market. Maintaining lists, is often a problem we know. Especially
> since... how can we find the new/existing locations?
> Please note by the way, that there is Collabora Online and LibreOffice
> Online. Similar function wise, but different in support probably.
> Will it, when people know about it and start to search, ask at providers
> e.g., have a stimulating effect?
>
> greetings,
> Cor
>
> --
> Cor Nouws
> GPD key ID: 0xB13480A6 - 591A 30A7 36A0 CE3C 3D28  A038 E49D 7365 B134 80A6
> - vrijwilliger https://nl.libreoffice.org
> - volunteer https://www.libreoffice.org
> - Member Board The Document Foundation
> - http://www.nouenoff.nl / https://www.mijncloudoffice.nl
>

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibreOffice promo trailer?

[Drew Jensen]

Howdy,

Jonathon's really hit the mark, IMO, with how much of his last email is
phrased.

Roland has a valid and important view also.

I think the best way to address both, with a 'promo' video, is for TDF to
work towards three categories of promo videos:

Work Product focused videos;
ie. LibreOffice.
 1 Encompassing both differentiating features/benefits (longer)
 2 Branding (short)

TDF Community focused videos;
Longer format and cover the what is FOSS & OpenStandards and who is the
community called The Document Foundation

So I think current video covers work product features and is long.
I bet there is one that covers the community focus also and it is long.
I'm figuring anything longer than 30 seconds is long here.

There isn't a short branding video however. Would that be accurate?

Best wishes,

Drew


On Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 8:47 PM jonathon  wrote:

> On 4/17/19 9:11 PM, Roland Hummel wrote:
>
> > "Yes, LO is nice but it won't beat MS Office because in MSO we will have
> artificial intelligence".
>
> If the battlefield is functionality, and AI is important,in 2018, the
> five most important AI programming languages were:
> * Python;
> * LISP;
> * C++;
> * Java;
> * Prolog;
>
> Two (Three? I'm not sure about C++) are built-in macro languages. LISP
> and Prolog are easy enough to add.
>
> There is documentation on installing and using R as a macro language.
>
> Which underscores that the big issue in the functionality war, is not
> what is available, but rather, the knowledge that the features are
> available, and how to use them.
>
> _TL;DR: Documentation, not implementation._
>
> I'm not sure why being able to grab LinkedIn resumes from within Excel
> is a good thing, but that is the type of functionality that Microsoft is
> adding. IMNSHO, this type of functionality is best provided by extension
> developers.
>
> End users can more easily customize LibO, than MSO, etc.
>
> > base of any argumentation because it is the only superior starting
> position LO has.
>
> For most organizations, ethics is nothing more than a feel-good talking
> point. Something that is neither implemented, nor observed.
> As such, appeals based on ethical principles fall upon deaf ears.
>
> > Starting from software freedom any further argumentation will convince
> (at least in societies claiming freedom as fundamental part of a society):
> > -because LO is freedom respecting it is secure
> > -because LO is freedom respecting it is privacy respecting
> > -because LO is freedom respecting it serves the user
> > -because LO is freedom respecting it is sustainable
>
> Neither people nor organizations are concerned about those things, until
> they discover that their data has been passed on to nefarious third
> parties, by their software vendor.
>
> A white paper showing how LibO meets requirements for various privacy
> related legislation might be useful here.
>
> Whilst such a paper might make LibreOffice Cloud Edition look bad, the
> quasi-redeeming feature is that the user can control the cloud that it
> is installed on.
>
> > In this way LO will convince governments, companies, the educational
> sector and NGOs,
>
> The question to be addressed here, is "Who can be sued, if things go
> wrong?"
>
> Whilst Microsoft's _Terms and Conditions_ claim no liability, that
> doesn't prevent support companies from being sued, when things go wrong.
>
> This is where a lawyer is needed, to explain either who could
> sucessfully be sued, if LibO goes wrong, or why such a lawsuit would not
> be filable in the first place.
>
> >not by trying to convince users in a perspective that is already totally
> lost to the proprietary sector ("functionality"
>
> The functionality issue will be over, when you can pick up _LibreOffice
> For Managing you Futures Portfolio: Shorts, Straddles, Puts, and
> Candlesticks_ at your local Office Depot, or _Asteroid Hunting using
> LibreOffice_ at your local _Books a Million_.
>
> (I've only slightly changed the titles of books about Excel, that I've
> seen in bookstores.)
>
> >aka "but MS Office is so easy to use").
>
> Familiarity, not ease of use.
>
> jonathon
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: List of Web Hosting providers offering LibreOffice Online as part of their service?

[Drew Jensen]

Howdy Jonathon,

Well, one thing about that. The Collabora site offers appliances ready to
go and some decent docs on how to set them. What is missing, or maybe
simply that I've missed, is details about administration for an in house
cloud.

As for NextCloud so for every instance I've found has been as an addon for
NextCloud, which I think makes real sense, because from what I can see not
having NextCloud of something like it as a wrapper doesn't make much sense.

One source for information has been presentations from Micheal Meeks
primarily. For instance I just read over his latest presentation online and
it has some interesting slides covering load balancing (and references a
40,000 user installation along with the amount of computing power and top
level view of infrastructure architecture).

As for an administration guide for LibreOffice Online, that is something I
thought would be a good project suggestion for the Google Season Of
Documentation. Something that will come up again during today's
Documentation Team meeting.

Best wishes,

Drew

On Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 10:32 AM jonathon  wrote:

> On 4/17/19 1:49 PM, Drew Jensen wrote:
> > So I think it would be good to create a list that has some chance of
> being
> > found if someone searched for 'Web hosts offering LibreOffice Online' or
> > something similar.
>
> A tutorial on setting up LibreOffice Online as a Digital Ocean droplet
> or AWS Instance or on NextCloud would probably be equally useful.
>
> jonathon
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Fun task names for the Month of LibreOffice, May 2019

[Drew Jensen]

Howdy,

* Help to confirm bugs; First Responders - Triage
* Answer questions from users; Pay It Forward

Best wishes,

Drew

On Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 9:42 AM Mike Saunders <
mike.saund...@documentfoundation.org> wrote:

> Some ideas I've come up with so far:
>
> * Help to confirm bugs: Bug Basher, Bug Squasher
> * Answer questions from users: Smile Maker, Problem Solver, Handy Helper
> * Spread the word: Drum Beater, Rooftop Shouter
> * Translate the interface: Terrific Translator, Word Wiz, Globetrotter
> * Contribute code: Happy Hacker, Code Cruncher
> * Write documentation: Docs Doctor
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[libreoffice-marketing] Re: List of Web Hosting providers offering LibreOffice Online as part of their service?

[Drew Jensen]

just to be clear - there is a list available at the Collabora site:
https://www.collaboraoffice.com/partners-main/partners/

That is good, but it isn't really that end user friendly IMO. Click on the
one link and you are asked to fill in a online form for more information
and not link is offered to the actual host.

I picked one WebO and went to their site to find details on what is
offered.

Before I go further let me say I first did an internet search for 'Web
hosts offering LibreOffice Online' and got zero hits.

Alright so back to Webo. Turn out that on their site they only refer to
what they have Collabora Online and when they talk it they say that it can
work with documents for MSO and OpenOffice, they never use the word
LibreOffice in their web pages.

So I think it would be good to create a list that has some chance of being
found if someone searched for 'Web hosts offering LibreOffice Online' or
something similar.



On Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 9:12 AM Drew Jensen 
wrote:

> Howdy,
>
> The other day I was in a conversation with some folks on a social media
> site in a Linux and Open Source group. The question came up about a
> GDocs/MSO365 replacement.
>
> LibreOffice Online was made as a suggestion.
>
> A question came up about how much disk space a person got when they signed
> up for LibreOffie Online. I explained that it was available as source, and
> pointed to the CODE package at Collabora and that a number of hosting
> providers offered the service.
>
> I then went looking for a list of which hosting providers do so. I found a
> few on the Collabora, mostly by scanning press releases.
>
> I was wondering if there is a list being maintained anywhere of those?
>
> If not then I would like to work on putting one together.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Drew
>

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[libreoffice-marketing] List of Web Hosting providers offering LibreOffice Online as part of their service?

[Drew Jensen]

Howdy,

The other day I was in a conversation with some folks on a social media
site in a Linux and Open Source group. The question came up about a
GDocs/MSO365 replacement.

LibreOffice Online was made as a suggestion.

A question came up about how much disk space a person got when they signed
up for LibreOffie Online. I explained that it was available as source, and
pointed to the CODE package at Collabora and that a number of hosting
providers offered the service.

I then went looking for a list of which hosting providers do so. I found a
few on the Collabora, mostly by scanning press releases.

I was wondering if there is a list being maintained anywhere of those?

If not then I would like to work on putting one together.

Thanks,

Drew

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibreOffice promo trailer?

[Drew Jensen]

For what it is worth:

I would like to see some marketing material which does not even mention
FOSS.

If it must mention file formats then tout support for OOXML and do so writ
large!

Remember that are many of us for whom closed source software is not bad,
that paying for software is not bad and that making a profit is not bad.

Talk to us and tell us why LibreOffice is so good.

Best wishes,

Drew





On Tue, Apr 16, 2019 at 5:42 AM Nigel Verity 
wrote:

> Hi Roland, Mike
>
>
> That is a very interesting point. Perhaps the challenge is to create a
> promotional video which appeals to both corporates and private individuals
> in equal measure.
>
>
> Liberation and social responsibility should certainly appeal to
> individuals, but any justification for using LO which strays into the
> territory of "politics" may be of less appeal to companies. There will
> surely be decision-makers who have a social conscience but in the main I
> would suggest that a company which selects its business applications based
> on ethics rather than functionality is not doing its job properly. I don't
> necessarily applaud that standpoint but I think it is a fact all the same.
>
>
> In short, I don't think LO should be promoted like those adverts we see
> proclaiming "buy our product because x% of our profits go to charity". LO
> is world-class software that justifies its existence on functionality
> alone. I think the challenge is to get the ethics message across without
> its being seen as a "bolt on" to increase its appeal further.
>
>
> Regards
>
>
> Nige
>
>
> 
> From: Roland Hummel 
> Sent: 15 April 2019 21:47
> To: Nigel Verity; Mike Saunders; marketing@global.libreoffice.org
> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibreOffice promo trailer?
>
> Hi Nigel and Mike,
>
> On 4/15/19 2:43 PM, Nigel Verity wrote:
> > I've just looked at that video again for the first time in quite a
> while. I have to say there is nothing in it that is not valid today and not
> a lot of information that ought to be added. The only fundamental change is
> the availability of the new user interface features in the mainstream
> rather than as experimental options. Unfortunately to update the video to
> show these would entail almost a total re-recording.
> >
> > There clearly is some scope for a new promotional video but, given that
> just updating the screenshot elements would not alter its overall impact,
> is the cost of a new video justified at this time? What else needs to be
> changed? Change for its own sake is rarely a good proposition.
> >
>
> looking for other LO promo material I found "Trailer Curso LibreOffice
> Ecuador" [1]. I don't understand Spanish language but a friend
> translated the essential parts for me and this video describes how FLOSS
> like LO liberates the IT of countries like Ecuador so as I tried to
> explain in my last mail:
> An update of the official LO promo trailer that is a little bit more
> "inspiring" the people why using LO has something to do with liberation
> and social responsibility in digital age would justify time and money
> needed for the update a lot.
>
> Best regards
> Roland
>
> [1] https://invidio.us/watch?v=8wLGesOotrg
>
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[libreoffice-marketing] Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Tip Of The Day

[Drew Jensen]

Howdy,

Great idea.

So, I took a quick scan and noticed a type in tip 28. Fixed it in the pad
but can't get an editable view in NC with the direct link and couldn't find
it doing a quick scan through the shared folders. Can you post where it is
there and I would do that there also.

Best wishes,

Drew

On Wed, Apr 10, 2019 at 11:38 AM Heiko Tietze 
wrote:

> We have the awesome daily tip on Twitter and shouldn't withhold this great
> resource of knowledge to our actual users. So I implemented a
> tip-of-the-day dialog that pops up once per day when a module is started.
> There is no sequence and the "Next tip" button and what comes the other day
> is random (just to not store the last used id). Advanced users can easily
> disabled the dialog. It will be in the nightly build tomorrow (or the next
> days).
>
> For now I used the strings from
> https://pad.documentfoundation.org/p/marketing. But not all tips are
> up-to-date and it may need some revisions for proper English. I'd like to
> ask you to go through the list and change the strings or remove, if needed.
> Of course, additions are also also welcome. For collaborative work it's
> shared on https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/D6zAC5wddW83xWT
>
> Every string may contain of _one_ hyperlink, which is separated from the
> text (taken from "http" until the end of the line). Single \ need escaping
> \\.
>
> Last but not least every tip can have a small illustration (max 120px
> IIRC; larger sizes increase the dialog width). The first tip searches for
> tipoftheday_0.png, the second for tipoftheday_1.png etc. If not present,
> the light bulb from our gallery is shown. I believe those images could be a
> really cool eye catcher and helpful to get the point of the tip. That's a
> task for our great designers. Just send me the images or store it somewhere.
>
> Thanks a lot in advance,
> Heiko
>
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Social Media site MeWe and possible presence?

[Drew Jensen]

On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 3:38 AM Mike Saunders <
mike.saund...@documentfoundation.org> wrote:

> Hi Drew,
>
> On 01/04/2019 21:58, Drew Jensen wrote:
> >
> > Last minute thought; I know but, if by any chance you used Google Takeout
> > to retrieve the Google Plus posts from the LO and/or TDF account pages
> and
> > (the big one) IF you picked JSON for the type data in the zip file
> created
> > there is a way to automatically load all the top level posts into MeWe
> > using a tool of their own creation. No idea if it could load to a Page vs
> > User Account but maybe that would be possible.
>
> Thanks for your help with the MeWe page. Regarding G+, Florian
> (Effenberger) did a Google Takeout a few days ago, as he is the original
> owner (as an admin, that option wasn't available to me). So we do have
> the data, although Florian mentioned that it might be also combined with
> his personal data/posts...
>

well, that's a problem then.

>
>

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Social Media site MeWe and possible presence?

[Drew Jensen]

Howdy,

Comments in line

On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 8:26 PM jonathon  wrote:

> On 4/1/19 11:00 PM, Drew Jensen wrote:
> > IDK about simply being in the USA is a violation of GDPR, sounds a bit
> over
> > the top as far as an interpretation would go.
>
> I wasn't saying that being in the US is an automatic GDPR violation.
> Rather, that being in the US means that the GDPR can be ignored.


> > So I doubt the GDPR compliance is an unknown situation.
>
> Whilst their TOS goes to great lengths to look like the GDPR applies,
> their policies and practices page all but says that GDPR-related
> requests will be ignored.
>
> They are in compliance with the CCPA.
>
> TL;DR
> People in the US might join.
> People in the EU won't join.
>

Anecdotally; looking at my contact list just now I see plenty of folks in
Europe (including: France, Austria, Denmark, Bulgaria, Spain, Romania and
Germany) though the majority are in the U.S.

I'm sure you are right in that for some folks it would be enough to
preclude their use.



> Both using the same rationale --- personal privacy protection.
>
> jonathon
>
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Social Media site MeWe and possible presence?

[Drew Jensen]

Thanks for the feedback Jonathon

IDK about simply being in the USA is a violation of GDPR, sounds a bit over
the top as far as an interpretation would go.

The service appears to do business in Eruope and supports a number of
languages for their UI:
English, 中文(简体), Deutsch, Español, 日本語, Français, Português, العربية,
Dansk, 한국어
are the ones listed. So I doubt the GDPR compliance is an unknown situation.

Drew





On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 6:28 PM jonathon  wrote:

> On 4/1/19 7:11 PM, Drew Jensen wrote:
> > created an account over on the MeWe.com website following a number of
> folks
>
> One _huge_ issue with MeWe is that it is based in the United States.
>
> My understanding is that under US Case Law, the terms and conditions of
> usage of a website are meaningless, irrelevant, and are to be
> disregarded, in the event of bankruptcy, foreclosure, or any other
> condition in which the sale of data is fiscally prudent. Unfortunately,
> I no longer have the relevant case citations.
>
> _The California Consumer Privacy Act of 2018_ (CCPA) does not provide
> nearly as much in the way of personal data protection, as the EU GDPR.
> Personally, I think that it provides less in the way of personal privacy
> protection than the GDPR, but most of the material about it that I have
> read, claim otherwise. Furthermore, it (CCPA) only comes into effect 1
> January 2020, and then only if there are no court cases that need to be
> completed.  As an additional kicker, individuals outside of California,
> are excluded from its protection. Individuals residing within California
> are also excluded, if certain conditions are met.
>
> Whilst the GDPR is vague about both who, and where coverage applies,
> European privacy enforcement agencies have uniformly said that the
> location of the company that violates the GDPR doesn't matter, and that
> they will use the local equivalent of long arm statutes, to enforce it.
> (I think that the most recent harmonisation of the GDPR defined coverage
> to included both citizens and residents. For the time being, Estonian
> Digital Residents are excluded, unless they physically reside in the EU,
> or an area in which the GDPR is the law of the land.)
>
> I am not a lawyer.
> This is not legal advice.
>
> jonathon
>
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[libreoffice-marketing] Re: Social Media site MeWe and possible presence?

[Drew Jensen]

Hi Mike,

Last minute thought; I know but, if by any chance you used Google Takeout
to retrieve the Google Plus posts from the LO and/or TDF account pages and
(the big one) IF you picked JSON for the type data in the zip file created
there is a way to automatically load all the top level posts into MeWe
using a tool of their own creation. No idea if it could load to a Page vs
User Account but maybe that would be possible.

Anyway, thought I'd mention it.

Last minute because I don't know how much longer folks can pull G+ data via
Takeout.

Drew




On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 3:11 PM Drew Jensen 
wrote:

> Howdy,
>
> A while back, after the announcement that Google Plus was closing, I
> created an account over on the MeWe.com website following a number of folks
> from the G+ site.
>
> The service is still on the small side with, from their last report,
> around 5 million registered users world wide, but growing.
>
> As a site it is similar to Google Plus (which is similar to Facebook,
> etc). It is currently walled, in that only registered members can interact
> with content, but this is planned to change in the future and the sites
> content being searchable and readable without a registration but no hard
> date on when that might happen.
>
> The service offers 'groups' which are analogous to 'community' pages under
> Google Plus with two major differences: 1st there are no sub-categories and
> 2nd there is an optional chat feature available. Any member of the group
> can post to the group page and if chat is enabled use the chat window.
> Groups may be designated as private, which means the content is not visible
> to outside members and not returned in site wide searches, or public, which
> makes the content visible inside MeWe search results. Groups have enough
> optional settings that they can be made to act like pages (explained in
> next paragraph).
>
> The service also offers 'pages' which differs from groups in the following
> ways:
> Pages are always public and may not be made private.
> Only administrators and moderators of the page may post to the page and
> there can be multiple admins and mods.
> MeWe users can follow a page and followers can enter comments on posts
> there but may not make top level posts.
> Pages include storage space for documents/images/videos (I believe that is
> currently 8gig but I need to clarify that).
> Pages are currently in 'Beta'  and free but when they leave Beta there
> will be a monthly fee of 2.99 USD per month.
> Pages may be 'unofficial' or 'official' branding pages for legal entities
> - by default pages will  UNOFFICIAL and there will be visible mark on Page
> Info pages added by the MeWe service  unless the administrators fulfill
> MeWe requirements for an official status. (final details on what those will
> be are TTBOMK still being worked out)
>
> This is getting rather long..so.
>
> The site uses custom URLS on a first come first sever basis and I took the
> liberty of reserving two by creating two pages: (don't click on them)
>
> Category: Software
> Website: libreoffice.org
>
> *Page: https://mewe.com/p/libreoffice <https://mewe.com/p/libreoffice>*
>
>
> Category: Science, Technology & Engineering
> Website: documentfoundaiton.org
> *Page: https://mewe.com/p/documentfoundation
> <https://mewe.com/p/documentfoundation>*
>
>
> Presently the pages are NOT PUBLISHED and only visible to two MeWe
> accounts, mine and Sophie G (though she may not know that, but when she
> connected with my account there I just added in as admin to both).
>
> Group wise, there someone has already reserved a group under the name
> LibreOfficeFR and there is a generic Open Source Office Suite group where
> posts regarding LibreOffice have been going. That last group has not really
> taken off user wise with only 159 members. Other groups however are picking
> up users faster, for example a generic 'Open Source' group is pushing
> towards 2,000 members and the arts based groups I tend to frequent are
> building much faster.
>
> At this point I would be interested to either open a LibreOffice Group or
> Page and am interested in hearing peoples thoughts pro or con.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Drew
>
> ps if anyone wants to see those pages I can toggle them to published (and
> back to unpublished later) but you would still need a MeWe account to see
> them.
>
>
>
> Best wishes,
>

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[libreoffice-marketing] Social Media site MeWe and possible presence?

[Drew Jensen]

Howdy,

A while back, after the announcement that Google Plus was closing, I
created an account over on the MeWe.com website following a number of folks
from the G+ site.

The service is still on the small side with, from their last report, around
5 million registered users world wide, but growing.

As a site it is similar to Google Plus (which is similar to Facebook, etc).
It is currently walled, in that only registered members can interact with
content, but this is planned to change in the future and the sites content
being searchable and readable without a registration but no hard date on
when that might happen.

The service offers 'groups' which are analogous to 'community' pages under
Google Plus with two major differences: 1st there are no sub-categories and
2nd there is an optional chat feature available. Any member of the group
can post to the group page and if chat is enabled use the chat window.
Groups may be designated as private, which means the content is not visible
to outside members and not returned in site wide searches, or public, which
makes the content visible inside MeWe search results. Groups have enough
optional settings that they can be made to act like pages (explained in
next paragraph).

The service also offers 'pages' which differs from groups in the following
ways:
Pages are always public and may not be made private.
Only administrators and moderators of the page may post to the page and
there can be multiple admins and mods.
MeWe users can follow a page and followers can enter comments on posts
there but may not make top level posts.
Pages include storage space for documents/images/videos (I believe that is
currently 8gig but I need to clarify that).
Pages are currently in 'Beta'  and free but when they leave Beta there will
be a monthly fee of 2.99 USD per month.
Pages may be 'unofficial' or 'official' branding pages for legal entities -
by default pages will  UNOFFICIAL and there will be visible mark on Page
Info pages added by the MeWe service  unless the administrators fulfill
MeWe requirements for an official status. (final details on what those will
be are TTBOMK still being worked out)

This is getting rather long..so.

The site uses custom URLS on a first come first sever basis and I took the
liberty of reserving two by creating two pages: (don't click on them)

Category: Software
Website: libreoffice.org

*Page: https://mewe.com/p/libreoffice *


Category: Science, Technology & Engineering
Website: documentfoundaiton.org
*Page: https://mewe.com/p/documentfoundation
*


Presently the pages are NOT PUBLISHED and only visible to two MeWe
accounts, mine and Sophie G (though she may not know that, but when she
connected with my account there I just added in as admin to both).

Group wise, there someone has already reserved a group under the name
LibreOfficeFR and there is a generic Open Source Office Suite group where
posts regarding LibreOffice have been going. That last group has not really
taken off user wise with only 159 members. Other groups however are picking
up users faster, for example a generic 'Open Source' group is pushing
towards 2,000 members and the arts based groups I tend to frequent are
building much faster.

At this point I would be interested to either open a LibreOffice Group or
Page and am interested in hearing peoples thoughts pro or con.

Best wishes,

Drew

ps if anyone wants to see those pages I can toggle them to published (and
back to unpublished later) but you would still need a MeWe account to see
them.



Best wishes,

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[libreoffice-marketing] FYI - made a couple of SM posts today and a custom graphic

[Drew Jensen]

Howdy,

Put up a two social media posts today, ( LO Community on G+ and at an Open
Source Office Suite community on MeWe) with the following:
--

Happy Anniversary To The Document Foundation
The organization formed seven years ago yesterday in Berlin, Germany to
promote and organize the community efforts behind the LibreOffice Office
Suite project.

In those seven years the community has not only continued to deliver on the
office suit but to also grow into new platforms and help nurture a
sustainable ecosystem for commercial vendors, which delivers both
engineering resources back to the development efforts and working systems
to the growing base of enterprise users.

https://www.documentfoundation.org/

-

Also used a custom graphic. I put a copy of that on the NextCloud server in
the shared Marketing/Images folder (tdf_7thanniversary_full.png).


Best wishes,


Drew

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Nightly Rush Calc Threading video was: It's Sunday night - lets fiddle with Calc Threading...

[Drew Jensen]

Regarding the use of the third party logos - this is they way I would use
them on the work credit screens.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1iJZQAOeYWESeQfKYePp9653TQQxje_5C/view?usp=sharing


On Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 12:35 PM Drew Jensen 
wrote:

>
> Howdy,
>
>
>
>>
>> >
>> > produced performance increases ranging from 37% to 75% with this 4 core
>> > processor based system.
>>
>> Sounds good to me. It's quite normal to talk performance wins in X
>> factors over the original - so 75% is 4x - and 37% is 1.6X - which is
>> perhaps easier for people to grok: old-time/new-time.
>>
>
> Sure, will make that change.
>
>>
>> > What I would like to do to end it is to thank the folks who actually did
>> > the engineering work behind the work.
>> > How would that best be?
>>
>> The threading work credit is:
>>
>> Collabora engineers:
>> Tor Lillqvist, Luboš Luňák & Dennis Francis
>>
>> and of course thanks to AMD too.
>>
>
> Excellent. That is what I was asking.
>
> Collabora and AMD are both on the TDF Advisory Board, I believe, so
> perhaps say it as:
> ---
> Multi-core threading support in the LibreOffice calculation engine is the
> result of engineering work lead by a core team at TDF Advisory Board
> members Collabora Ltd., Tor Lillqvist, Luboš Luňák & Dennis Francis, and
> Applied Micro Devices (AMD).
> ---
>
> I assume it would be acceptable to use the Logos from Collabora and AMD
> for the graphic element of that screen?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Drew
>

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Nightly Rush Calc Threading video was: It's Sunday night - lets fiddle with Calc Threading...

[Drew Jensen]

> Howdy,



>
> >
> > produced performance increases ranging from 37% to 75% with this 4 core
> > processor based system.
>
> Sounds good to me. It's quite normal to talk performance wins in X
> factors over the original - so 75% is 4x - and 37% is 1.6X - which is
> perhaps easier for people to grok: old-time/new-time.
>

Sure, will make that change.

>
> > What I would like to do to end it is to thank the folks who actually did
> > the engineering work behind the work.
> > How would that best be?
>
> The threading work credit is:
>
> Collabora engineers:
> Tor Lillqvist, Luboš Luňák & Dennis Francis
>
> and of course thanks to AMD too.
>

Excellent. That is what I was asking.

Collabora and AMD are both on the TDF Advisory Board, I believe, so perhaps
say it as:
---
Multi-core threading support in the LibreOffice calculation engine is the
result of engineering work lead by a core team at TDF Advisory Board
members Collabora Ltd., Tor Lillqvist, Luboš Luňák & Dennis Francis, and
Applied Micro Devices (AMD).
---

I assume it would be acceptable to use the Logos from Collabora and AMD for
the graphic element of that screen?

Thanks,

Drew

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[libreoffice-marketing] Re: Nightly Rush Calc Threading video was: It's Sunday night - lets fiddle with Calc Threading...

[Drew Jensen]

OK - it's Sunday night and after a week this is where this is at.

Added a few lines to the script.

LibreOffice 6.2 becomes the second release to offer multi-core threading as
standard feature.

With threading support spreadsheet calculation performance is significantly
enhanced.

In this video we will use an example file from the Architectural profession.

Our example spreadsheet contains 234,000 data points used to compute ETTV
(Envelope Thermal Transfer Value) for an entire building.

We are using a representative office computer with AMD 4 core processor and
8GB of ram and Ubuntu 18.04 operating system.

A full recalc of the Building Design spreadsheet using LibreOffice 6.0.7
takes 50.14 sec,

the same file using LibreOffice 6.2.0, with multi-core threading, only
12.06 seconds.

A 75.95% performance increase!

How much of a performance increase will you see in your Calc worksheets?

This depends largely on how calculation heavy your work is.

Representative benchmark spreadsheets covering scenarios from Stock Pricing
to Water Table Monitoring

produced performance increases ranging from 37% to 75% with this 4 core
processor based system.
---

Kept the graphics layout and put another quick read of a voice over. Used a
tool to strip out excess blank space in the audio and got a bit over
zealous with it, but good enough for a draft.
Which is here: https://youtu.be/WBGLyogqKYI

What I would like to do to end it is to thank the folks who actually did
the engineering work behind the work.
How would that best be?

Thanks

Drew

On Sun, Jan 20, 2019 at 9:38 AM Drew Jensen 
wrote:

> Otherwise not sure if the noise is because it's not that bad or not that
> good..
>
> Anyway - a little self critiquing on the graphics and layout and here one
> more pass over the material.
>
> So if you look at what I have now it begs the question - what to put on
> the end of it?
>
> First, I thought it would be good to mention that not every spread sheet
> is going to see a 76% performance increase in re-calcs.
>
> I figure the easiest way is to reference the other 4 files and the numbers
> from them.
>
> Yes?
>
> So - here is the latest draft https://youtu.be/_aClBaBCdYE
>
> On Wed, Jan 16, 2019 at 8:37 PM Drew Jensen 
> wrote:
>
>> So I wrote a first draft of a script; short and simple
>> 
>> LibreOffice 6.2 will be the second release to offer multi-core threading
>> as a standard feature.
>>
>> With threading support spreadsheet calculation performance is
>> significantly enhanced.
>>
>> In this video we will use an example file from the Architectural
>> profession.
>>
>> Our example spreadsheet contains 234,000 data points used to compute ETTV
>> (Envelope Thermal Transfer Value) for an entire building.
>>
>> We are using a representative office computer with AMD 4 core processor
>> and 8GB of ram and Ubuntu 18.04 operating system.
>>
>> A full recalc of the Building Design spreadsheet using LibreOffice 6.0.7
>> takes 50.14 sec,
>> the same file using LibreOffice 6.2.0, with multi-core threading, only
>> 12.06 seconds.
>>
>> A 75.95% performance increase!
>> ---
>>
>> Used my poor quality microphone capture of reading the script and got it
>> down to 42 seconds.
>>
>> Put a a nightly rush video to that https://youtu.be/suRcgtBos9A
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 16, 2019 at 1:22 PM Drew Jensen 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Before I forget - the files used for to gather these runtime numbers,
>>> posted in an earlier email, are found here:
>>> https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/admin/projects/benchmark
>>>
>>> There are five xls files with an explanation as to what the spreadsheet
>>> is evaluating.
>>>
>>> They are 4 years old and seem to be as good as I've found for example
>>> files to show the multi-core threading feature.
>>>
>>> Seems to me it might be worthwhile to offer them for download (maybe as
>>> a zip file) and reference that download location in the video and/or
>>> associated posting text.
>>>
>>> Also, yesterday I went back and reviewed a number of the blog posts and
>>> a few media posts regarding threading (OpenCL and Multi-Core), thought that
>>> was a good first step in writing up a script for use here.
>>>
>>> Have also gone through the Calc Functions list, as supplied in the Calc
>>> Guide (updating it from 4.1 - 6.2) and have marked which functions are
>>> thread enabled and which are not - not sure I have an exhaustive list but
>>> should be close if not there. That is not really a ma

[libreoffice-marketing] Re: Nightly Rush Calc Threading video was: It's Sunday night - lets fiddle with Calc Threading...

[Drew Jensen]

Otherwise not sure if the noise is because it's not that bad or not that
good..

Anyway - a little self critiquing on the graphics and layout and here one
more pass over the material.

So if you look at what I have now it begs the question - what to put on the
end of it?

First, I thought it would be good to mention that not every spread sheet is
going to see a 76% performance increase in re-calcs.

I figure the easiest way is to reference the other 4 files and the numbers
from them.

Yes?

So - here is the latest draft https://youtu.be/_aClBaBCdYE

On Wed, Jan 16, 2019 at 8:37 PM Drew Jensen 
wrote:

> So I wrote a first draft of a script; short and simple
> 
> LibreOffice 6.2 will be the second release to offer multi-core threading
> as a standard feature.
>
> With threading support spreadsheet calculation performance is
> significantly enhanced.
>
> In this video we will use an example file from the Architectural
> profession.
>
> Our example spreadsheet contains 234,000 data points used to compute ETTV
> (Envelope Thermal Transfer Value) for an entire building.
>
> We are using a representative office computer with AMD 4 core processor
> and 8GB of ram and Ubuntu 18.04 operating system.
>
> A full recalc of the Building Design spreadsheet using LibreOffice 6.0.7
> takes 50.14 sec,
> the same file using LibreOffice 6.2.0, with multi-core threading, only
> 12.06 seconds.
>
> A 75.95% performance increase!
> ---
>
> Used my poor quality microphone capture of reading the script and got it
> down to 42 seconds.
>
> Put a a nightly rush video to that https://youtu.be/suRcgtBos9A
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 16, 2019 at 1:22 PM Drew Jensen 
> wrote:
>
>> Before I forget - the files used for to gather these runtime numbers,
>> posted in an earlier email, are found here:
>> https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/admin/projects/benchmark
>>
>> There are five xls files with an explanation as to what the spreadsheet
>> is evaluating.
>>
>> They are 4 years old and seem to be as good as I've found for example
>> files to show the multi-core threading feature.
>>
>> Seems to me it might be worthwhile to offer them for download (maybe as a
>> zip file) and reference that download location in the video and/or
>> associated posting text.
>>
>> Also, yesterday I went back and reviewed a number of the blog posts and a
>> few media posts regarding threading (OpenCL and Multi-Core), thought that
>> was a good first step in writing up a script for use here.
>>
>> Have also gone through the Calc Functions list, as supplied in the Calc
>> Guide (updating it from 4.1 - 6.2) and have marked which functions are
>> thread enabled and which are not - not sure I have an exhaustive list but
>> should be close if not there. That is not really a marketing issue but in a
>> marketing piece listing the categories of statistical functions supporting
>> the feature seems to make sense.
>>
>> OK - that's it for this email.
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 2:32 PM Drew Jensen 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Howdy,
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 2:17 AM Sreekanth V K <
>>> sreekanth.vettikk...@protonmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The last one looks good for me. However, the operation which is
>>>> happening is not visible, so for a common person, he/she may not be able to
>>>> understand the difference. It would be better if you have the Calc in the
>>>> background (not just writing what is going on) and keep the system monitor
>>>> over the Calc.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for the feedback - the current drafts certainly lack context. The
>>> spreadsheet itself doesn't give much if any visual clues as to what is
>>> happening. It was my goal to use the System Monitor screen capture to show
>>> what is actually happening here. In the one case (LibreOffice versions
>>> without threading) you can see that a single processing is spiking to 100%
>>> for most of the work time, and compare that to LibreOffice 6.2 spreading
>>> the load across all for processors with each running at ~60% maximum while
>>> finishing the actual task significantly faster.
>>>
>>> That said I agree with you that there needs to be more to explain what
>>> they are seeing.
>>>
>>> Best wishes,
>>>
>>> Drew
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>> Sreekanth V K
>>>>
>>>> Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email.
>>>>
>>>> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
>>&g

[libreoffice-marketing] Nightly Rush Calc Threading video was: It's Sunday night - lets fiddle with Calc Threading...

[Drew Jensen]

So I wrote a first draft of a script; short and simple

LibreOffice 6.2 will be the second release to offer multi-core threading as
a standard feature.

With threading support spreadsheet calculation performance is significantly
enhanced.

In this video we will use an example file from the Architectural profession.

Our example spreadsheet contains 234,000 data points used to compute ETTV
(Envelope Thermal Transfer Value) for an entire building.

We are using a representative office computer with AMD 4 core processor and
8GB of ram and Ubuntu 18.04 operating system.

A full recalc of the Building Design spreadsheet using LibreOffice 6.0.7
takes 50.14 sec,
the same file using LibreOffice 6.2.0, with multi-core threading, only
12.06 seconds.

A 75.95% performance increase!
---

Used my poor quality microphone capture of reading the script and got it
down to 42 seconds.

Put a a nightly rush video to that https://youtu.be/suRcgtBos9A



On Wed, Jan 16, 2019 at 1:22 PM Drew Jensen 
wrote:

> Before I forget - the files used for to gather these runtime numbers,
> posted in an earlier email, are found here:
> https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/admin/projects/benchmark
>
> There are five xls files with an explanation as to what the spreadsheet is
> evaluating.
>
> They are 4 years old and seem to be as good as I've found for example
> files to show the multi-core threading feature.
>
> Seems to me it might be worthwhile to offer them for download (maybe as a
> zip file) and reference that download location in the video and/or
> associated posting text.
>
> Also, yesterday I went back and reviewed a number of the blog posts and a
> few media posts regarding threading (OpenCL and Multi-Core), thought that
> was a good first step in writing up a script for use here.
>
> Have also gone through the Calc Functions list, as supplied in the Calc
> Guide (updating it from 4.1 - 6.2) and have marked which functions are
> thread enabled and which are not - not sure I have an exhaustive list but
> should be close if not there. That is not really a marketing issue but in a
> marketing piece listing the categories of statistical functions supporting
> the feature seems to make sense.
>
> OK - that's it for this email.
>
> On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 2:32 PM Drew Jensen 
> wrote:
>
>> Howdy,
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 2:17 AM Sreekanth V K <
>> sreekanth.vettikk...@protonmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The last one looks good for me. However, the operation which is
>>> happening is not visible, so for a common person, he/she may not be able to
>>> understand the difference. It would be better if you have the Calc in the
>>> background (not just writing what is going on) and keep the system monitor
>>> over the Calc.
>>>
>>
>> Thanks for the feedback - the current drafts certainly lack context. The
>> spreadsheet itself doesn't give much if any visual clues as to what is
>> happening. It was my goal to use the System Monitor screen capture to show
>> what is actually happening here. In the one case (LibreOffice versions
>> without threading) you can see that a single processing is spiking to 100%
>> for most of the work time, and compare that to LibreOffice 6.2 spreading
>> the load across all for processors with each running at ~60% maximum while
>> finishing the actual task significantly faster.
>>
>> That said I agree with you that there needs to be more to explain what
>> they are seeing.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Drew
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Sreekanth V K
>>>
>>> Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email.
>>>
>>> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
>>> On Monday, January 14, 2019 12:10 PM, Drew Jensen <
>>> drewjensen.in...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > and I kept at it for a little while,
>>> >
>>> > So a real first draft, I put the two runs one after so the run length
>>> went
>>> > to 1:13
>>> > https://youtu.be/_jtmydRYSoU
>>> >
>>> > The sound track is not quite right, some popping with the car engine
>>> mix,
>>> > but you get the idea.
>>> >
>>> > What do you think?
>>> >
>>> > and now it is no longer Sunday here,
>>> >
>>> > Drew
>>> >
>>> > On Sun, Jan 13, 2019 at 11:37 PM Drew Jensen
>>> drewjensen.in...@gmail.com
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > Sorry, lets try that URL again for the second file
>>> > > https://youtu.be/ED-zipIV1dE
>>> > > On Sun, Jan 13, 2019 at 1

Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: It's Sunday night - lets fiddle with Calc Threading...

[Drew Jensen]

Before I forget - the files used for to gather these runtime numbers,
posted in an earlier email, are found here:
https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/admin/projects/benchmark

There are five xls files with an explanation as to what the spreadsheet is
evaluating.

They are 4 years old and seem to be as good as I've found for example files
to show the multi-core threading feature.

Seems to me it might be worthwhile to offer them for download (maybe as a
zip file) and reference that download location in the video and/or
associated posting text.

Also, yesterday I went back and reviewed a number of the blog posts and a
few media posts regarding threading (OpenCL and Multi-Core), thought that
was a good first step in writing up a script for use here.

Have also gone through the Calc Functions list, as supplied in the Calc
Guide (updating it from 4.1 - 6.2) and have marked which functions are
thread enabled and which are not - not sure I have an exhaustive list but
should be close if not there. That is not really a marketing issue but in a
marketing piece listing the categories of statistical functions supporting
the feature seems to make sense.

OK - that's it for this email.

On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 2:32 PM Drew Jensen 
wrote:

> Howdy,
>
> On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 2:17 AM Sreekanth V K <
> sreekanth.vettikk...@protonmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The last one looks good for me. However, the operation which is happening
>> is not visible, so for a common person, he/she may not be able to
>> understand the difference. It would be better if you have the Calc in the
>> background (not just writing what is going on) and keep the system monitor
>> over the Calc.
>>
>
> Thanks for the feedback - the current drafts certainly lack context. The
> spreadsheet itself doesn't give much if any visual clues as to what is
> happening. It was my goal to use the System Monitor screen capture to show
> what is actually happening here. In the one case (LibreOffice versions
> without threading) you can see that a single processing is spiking to 100%
> for most of the work time, and compare that to LibreOffice 6.2 spreading
> the load across all for processors with each running at ~60% maximum while
> finishing the actual task significantly faster.
>
> That said I agree with you that there needs to be more to explain what
> they are seeing.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Drew
>
>>
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Sreekanth V K
>>
>> Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email.
>>
>> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
>> On Monday, January 14, 2019 12:10 PM, Drew Jensen <
>> drewjensen.in...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > and I kept at it for a little while,
>> >
>> > So a real first draft, I put the two runs one after so the run length
>> went
>> > to 1:13
>> > https://youtu.be/_jtmydRYSoU
>> >
>> > The sound track is not quite right, some popping with the car engine
>> mix,
>> > but you get the idea.
>> >
>> > What do you think?
>> >
>> > and now it is no longer Sunday here,
>> >
>> > Drew
>> >
>> > On Sun, Jan 13, 2019 at 11:37 PM Drew Jensen drewjensen.in...@gmail.com
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > Sorry, lets try that URL again for the second file
>> > > https://youtu.be/ED-zipIV1dE
>> > > On Sun, Jan 13, 2019 at 11:34 PM Drew Jensen
>> drewjensen.in...@gmail.com
>> > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Of course there had another one in there, heck it isn't just a
>> Sunday it
>> > > > is a snowy Sunday where I'm at.
>> > > > so four versions of LO on the screen, from top left and running
>> clockwise
>> > > > 6.0, 6.1, 6.3 alpha, 6.2 RC2
>> > > > this time the version number is overlaid the cpu monitor screen
>> captures
>> > > > and fade out, in timing similar to the calculation time...
>> > > > https://youtu.be/FMSPMWGdNO0
>> > > > Anyway - realizing calculation threading became standard last
>> release I
>> > > > was thinking it worth a mention in a social media post for the
>> coming 6.2
>> > > > as the developers have continued working on the feature.
>> > > > So, these are some first ideas for a video to go along with that
>> TBD post
>> > > > text.
>> > > > Suppose I'm asking if folks this would be worth the effort?
>> > > > Best wishes,
>> > > > Drew
>> > > > On Sun, Jan 13, 2019 at 10:29 PM Drew Jensen
>> drewjensen.in...@gmail.com
>> > > > wrote:
>> > > >
>>

Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: It's Sunday night - lets fiddle with Calc Threading...

[Drew Jensen]

Howdy,

On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 2:17 AM Sreekanth V K <
sreekanth.vettikk...@protonmail.com> wrote:

> The last one looks good for me. However, the operation which is happening
> is not visible, so for a common person, he/she may not be able to
> understand the difference. It would be better if you have the Calc in the
> background (not just writing what is going on) and keep the system monitor
> over the Calc.
>

Thanks for the feedback - the current drafts certainly lack context. The
spreadsheet itself doesn't give much if any visual clues as to what is
happening. It was my goal to use the System Monitor screen capture to show
what is actually happening here. In the one case (LibreOffice versions
without threading) you can see that a single processing is spiking to 100%
for most of the work time, and compare that to LibreOffice 6.2 spreading
the load across all for processors with each running at ~60% maximum while
finishing the actual task significantly faster.

That said I agree with you that there needs to be more to explain what they
are seeing.

Best wishes,

Drew

>
>
> Sincerely,
> Sreekanth V K
>
> Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email.
>
> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
> On Monday, January 14, 2019 12:10 PM, Drew Jensen <
> drewjensen.in...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > and I kept at it for a little while,
> >
> > So a real first draft, I put the two runs one after so the run length
> went
> > to 1:13
> > https://youtu.be/_jtmydRYSoU
> >
> > The sound track is not quite right, some popping with the car engine mix,
> > but you get the idea.
> >
> > What do you think?
> >
> > and now it is no longer Sunday here,
> >
> > Drew
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 13, 2019 at 11:37 PM Drew Jensen drewjensen.in...@gmail.com
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Sorry, lets try that URL again for the second file
> > > https://youtu.be/ED-zipIV1dE
> > > On Sun, Jan 13, 2019 at 11:34 PM Drew Jensen
> drewjensen.in...@gmail.com
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Of course there had another one in there, heck it isn't just a
> Sunday it
> > > > is a snowy Sunday where I'm at.
> > > > so four versions of LO on the screen, from top left and running
> clockwise
> > > > 6.0, 6.1, 6.3 alpha, 6.2 RC2
> > > > this time the version number is overlaid the cpu monitor screen
> captures
> > > > and fade out, in timing similar to the calculation time...
> > > > https://youtu.be/FMSPMWGdNO0
> > > > Anyway - realizing calculation threading became standard last
> release I
> > > > was thinking it worth a mention in a social media post for the
> coming 6.2
> > > > as the developers have continued working on the feature.
> > > > So, these are some first ideas for a video to go along with that TBD
> post
> > > > text.
> > > > Suppose I'm asking if folks this would be worth the effort?
> > > > Best wishes,
> > > > Drew
> > > > On Sun, Jan 13, 2019 at 10:29 PM Drew Jensen
> drewjensen.in...@gmail.com
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Howdy,
> > > > > What you think about something to highlight the work going into
> speeding
> > > > > up Calc..
> > > > > I was playing with some of the test files available in the source
> tree.
> > > > > This particular file recalculates in half the time using LO 6.2
> RC2 as
> > > > > compared to 6.0.7 on the machine here.
> > > > > How to show that graphically, me thought.
> > > > > After a few minutes of fiddling came up this.
> > > > > https://youtu.be/FMSPMWGdNO0
> > > > > Too rough to share?
> > > > > Drew
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: It's Sunday night - lets fiddle with Calc Threading...

[Drew Jensen]

Howdy


>
> Looks great; we use only real-cores to calculate on[1]; so I'd
> mention
> 2 cores - rather than 4 threads. As such we got ~2x as fast with 2 cores
> ;-)
>
> Do you have a 4 core machine nearby - or better a 24 one ?
>

Thought I did. My test machine for this is described as:
Processor: AMD A10-5800k apu with radeon hd graphics x4
Memory: 7 GiB
Graphics: AMD Aruba
OS; Ubuntu 18.04.1 LTS
OS type: 64 bit
Gnome: 3.28.2
Disk: 308 GB

The files used came from a source patch referring to benchmarking OpenCL
functionality and includes 5 spreadsheets (xls all). Included is a python
script to run them as a batch and to write out recalc times.
So, if I understand correctly OpenCL doesn't mean much on this Linux
desktop, but I will be able to try, a little later, on a Windows 10 machine
also so I took that this would however still show the multi-corps threading
support.

I went back and reran the batch with as little else (easily possible)
running on the test machine. Performance increase varied based on the file,
ranging from ~76% - 30%
Stock History
6.0.7 : 13.9 sec
6.2.0 : 8.71 sec
62.68%
37.32% performance increase
Stocks Price Time Correlation
6.0.7 : 21.38 sec
6.2.0 : 9.57 sec
44.79%
55.31% performance increase

Energy Market
6.0.7 : 28.44 sec
6.2.0 : 12.43 sec
43.74%
58.36% performance increase

Ground Water Daily
6.0.7 :  92.52 sec
6.2.0 : 32.38 sec
35.00%
65.00% performance increase
Gross Profit Supermarkets
6.0.7 : 66.95 sec
6.2.0 : 20.15 sec
30.09%
69.91% performance increase

Building Design
6.0.7 : 50.14 sec
6.2.0 : 12.06 sec
24.05%
75.95% performance increase

The files each contain a write up as to what the data represents and what
statistical functions are being exercised.

More (on other follow up email) on these as this we go.

Best wishes,

Drew


>
> Lovely video though; I love the raw motorbike-with-hole-in-exhaust
> ricer feel =)
>
> Good stuff,
>
> Michael.
>
> [1] - hyper-threading is not our friend in the case of some heavy usage
> and can make it slower ;-)
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[libreoffice-marketing] Re: It's Sunday night - lets fiddle with Calc Threading...

[Drew Jensen]

and I kept at it for a little while,

So a real first draft, I put the two runs one after so the run length went
to 1:13
https://youtu.be/_jtmydRYSoU

The sound track is not quite right, some popping with the car engine mix,
but you get the idea.

What do you think?

and now it is no longer Sunday here,

Drew

On Sun, Jan 13, 2019 at 11:37 PM Drew Jensen 
wrote:

> Sorry, lets try that URL again for the second file
> https://youtu.be/ED-zipIV1dE
>
> On Sun, Jan 13, 2019 at 11:34 PM Drew Jensen 
> wrote:
>
>> Of course there had another one in there, heck it isn't just a Sunday it
>> is a snowy Sunday where I'm at.
>>
>> so four versions of LO on the screen, from top left and running clockwise
>> 6.0, 6.1, 6.3 alpha, 6.2 RC2
>> this time the version number is overlaid the cpu monitor screen captures
>> and fade out, in timing similar to the calculation time...
>> https://youtu.be/FMSPMWGdNO0
>>
>> Anyway - realizing calculation threading became standard last release I
>> was thinking it worth a mention in a social media post for the coming 6.2
>> as the developers have continued working on the feature.
>>
>> So, these are some first ideas for a video to go along with that TBD post
>> text.
>>
>> Suppose I'm asking if folks this would be worth the effort?
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Drew
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 13, 2019 at 10:29 PM Drew Jensen 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Howdy,
>>>
>>> What you think about something to highlight the work going into speeding
>>> up Calc..
>>>
>>> I was playing with some of the test files available in the source tree.
>>> This particular file recalculates in half the time using LO 6.2 RC2 as
>>> compared to 6.0.7 on the machine here.
>>>
>>> How to show that graphically, me thought.
>>>
>>> After a few minutes of fiddling came up this.
>>> https://youtu.be/FMSPMWGdNO0
>>>
>>> Too rough to share?
>>>
>>> Drew
>>>
>>

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[libreoffice-marketing] Re: It's Sunday night - lets fiddle with Calc Threading...

[Drew Jensen]

Sorry, lets try that URL again for the second file
https://youtu.be/ED-zipIV1dE

On Sun, Jan 13, 2019 at 11:34 PM Drew Jensen 
wrote:

> Of course there had another one in there, heck it isn't just a Sunday it
> is a snowy Sunday where I'm at.
>
> so four versions of LO on the screen, from top left and running clockwise
> 6.0, 6.1, 6.3 alpha, 6.2 RC2
> this time the version number is overlaid the cpu monitor screen captures
> and fade out, in timing similar to the calculation time...
> https://youtu.be/FMSPMWGdNO0
>
> Anyway - realizing calculation threading became standard last release I
> was thinking it worth a mention in a social media post for the coming 6.2
> as the developers have continued working on the feature.
>
> So, these are some first ideas for a video to go along with that TBD post
> text.
>
> Suppose I'm asking if folks this would be worth the effort?
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Drew
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 13, 2019 at 10:29 PM Drew Jensen 
> wrote:
>
>> Howdy,
>>
>> What you think about something to highlight the work going into speeding
>> up Calc..
>>
>> I was playing with some of the test files available in the source tree.
>> This particular file recalculates in half the time using LO 6.2 RC2 as
>> compared to 6.0.7 on the machine here.
>>
>> How to show that graphically, me thought.
>>
>> After a few minutes of fiddling came up this.
>> https://youtu.be/FMSPMWGdNO0
>>
>> Too rough to share?
>>
>> Drew
>>
>

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[libreoffice-marketing] Re: It's Sunday night - lets fiddle with Calc Threading...

[Drew Jensen]

Of course there had another one in there, heck it isn't just a Sunday it is
a snowy Sunday where I'm at.

so four versions of LO on the screen, from top left and running clockwise
6.0, 6.1, 6.3 alpha, 6.2 RC2
this time the version number is overlaid the cpu monitor screen captures
and fade out, in timing similar to the calculation time...
https://youtu.be/FMSPMWGdNO0

Anyway - realizing calculation threading became standard last release I was
thinking it worth a mention in a social media post for the coming 6.2 as
the developers have continued working on the feature.

So, these are some first ideas for a video to go along with that TBD post
text.

Suppose I'm asking if folks this would be worth the effort?

Best wishes,

Drew


On Sun, Jan 13, 2019 at 10:29 PM Drew Jensen 
wrote:

> Howdy,
>
> What you think about something to highlight the work going into speeding
> up Calc..
>
> I was playing with some of the test files available in the source tree.
> This particular file recalculates in half the time using LO 6.2 RC2 as
> compared to 6.0.7 on the machine here.
>
> How to show that graphically, me thought.
>
> After a few minutes of fiddling came up this.
> https://youtu.be/FMSPMWGdNO0
>
> Too rough to share?
>
> Drew
>

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[libreoffice-marketing] It's Sunday night - lets fiddle with Calc Threading...

[Drew Jensen]

Howdy,

What you think about something to highlight the work going into speeding up
Calc..

I was playing with some of the test files available in the source tree.
This particular file recalculates in half the time using LO 6.2 RC2 as
compared to 6.0.7 on the machine here.

How to show that graphically, me thought.

After a few minutes of fiddling came up this.
https://youtu.be/FMSPMWGdNO0

Too rough to share?

Drew

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibreOffice Christmas quiz for the blog - ideas wanted!

[Drew Jensen]

Howdy,

On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 5:47 AM Mike Saunders <
mike.saund...@documentfoundation.org> wrote:

> Hi Drew,
>
> On 22/12/2018 00:22, Drew Jensen wrote:
> >
> > I put together a quick mockup, just the image decomposed and a couple of
> > gentle lighting effects.
> > Grabbed a freely licensed copy of Dance of the sugar plumb faries and a,
> as
> > you will hear crappy voice over of the text.
> > You can the results here; https://youtu.be/Wa9AhvfmZMQ
>
> Looks like the video has been removed, and sorry that I didn't see it
> before, but I was on vacation at that time! Maybe we can do something
> similar next year though. Or for Easter! :-)
>

No problem - When I got the auto-response "on vacation" email pulled the
video down so as not to have it floating around 'out there'.

As for Easter - maybe.  (no need to continue about that on this email
thread)

Best wishes,

Drew

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibreOffice Christmas quiz for the blog - ideas wanted!

[Drew Jensen]

Well, if it is a stand a lone piece why not go all the way to a video.

I put together a quick mockup, just the image decomposed and a couple of
gentle lighting effects.
Grabbed a freely licensed copy of Dance of the sugar plumb faries and a, as
you will hear crappy voice over of the text.
You can the results here; https://youtu.be/Wa9AhvfmZMQ

So, if that is of interest what I really need is for someone to give me a
clean voice over (mp3, flac, whatever pretty much format wise) of that text
between now and the 24th and I'll send you the resulting file.  My
microphone setup is just not a good quality. Let me know if you are
interested in that.

Drew



On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 3:24 AM Mike Saunders <
mike.saund...@documentfoundation.org> wrote:

> Hi Drew,
>
> Great, thanks for that -- I'll post the quiz on the blog on the 24th,
> and then your graphic on the 25th :-)
>
> Cheers,
> Mike
>
>
> On 20/12/2018 20:05, Drew Jensen wrote:
> > Well, I went and touched first one up a bit and uploaded the new copy
> > for that, then, added a second version with Season's Greetings replacing
> > Merry Christmas.
> > The Season's Greetings version is
> > at https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/f/91514
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 1:28 PM Drew Jensen  > <mailto:drewjensen.in...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > That looks great.
> >
> > Likely you have a graphic already for the blog post, but I put
> > together an idea for a Merry Christmas Card type of graphic - it's
> > all original of course.
> > Put a quick first cut of something here, just
> > now, https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/f/91473
> > If you are interested in something like that I have time to make
> > changes.
> >
> > Best wishes,
> >
> > Drew
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 10:16 AM Mike Saunders
> >  > <mailto:mike.saund...@documentfoundation.org>> wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > So here's my draft of questions for the quiz. I'll post them on
> > the blog
> > on December 24.
> >
> >
> > Try the LibreOffice Christmas Quiz!
> >
> > How much do you know about LibreOffice - the software, the
> > community and
> > its history? We've made a little quiz for you to try out, so
> > check out
> > the questions below, and you'll find the answers at the bottom.
> Good
> > luck :-)
> >
> >
> > 1. LibreOffice is a successor to OpenOffice.org, which was based
> > on the
> > proprietary suite StarOffice. Which company was behind
> StarOffice?
> >
> > A: Star Corp
> > B: Solar Sys
> > C: Star Division
> >
> >
> > 2. In which year was The Document Foundation (TDF), the
> non-profit
> > entity, legally established?
> >
> > A: 2009
> > B: 2012
> > C: 2014
> >
> >
> > 3. Who is the current chairperson of TDF?
> >
> > A: Marina Latini
> > B: Michael Meeks
> > C: Thorsten Behrens
> >
> >
> > 4. LibreOffice includes a graphics editing tool - what is it
> called?
> >
> > A: Create
> > B: Draw
> > C: Graphic
> >
> >
> > 5. If you don't like the default icon set in LibreOffice, how
> > can you
> > change it?
> >
> > A: Under the Format menu
> > B: Via Tools > Options > View
> > C: Using an extension
> >
> >
> > 6. What's the standard document format of LibreOffice called?
> >
> > A: OpenDocument Format
> > B: OpenXML Format
> > C: LibreDocument Format
> >
> >
> > 7. What is a "Hybrid PDF?"
> >
> > A: It includes interactive elements and animations
> > B: It includes all fonts, to display properly everywhere
> > C: It includes the original source document, to allow editing
> >
> >
> > 8. LibreOffice includes a dockable window to help you move around
> > complex documents. What is it called?
> >
> > A: DocBrowser
> > B: Navigator
> > C: Overview
> >
> >
> > 9. If you want Writer to automatically add numbered captions when
> > inserting objects, where do you go?
> >
> > A: Tools >

Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibreOffice Christmas quiz for the blog - ideas wanted!

[Drew Jensen]

Well, I went and touched first one up a bit and uploaded the new copy for
that, then, added a second version with Season's Greetings replacing Merry
Christmas.
The Season's Greetings version is at
https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/f/91514


On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 1:28 PM Drew Jensen 
wrote:

> That looks great.
>
> Likely you have a graphic already for the blog post, but I put together an
> idea for a Merry Christmas Card type of graphic - it's all original of
> course.
> Put a quick first cut of something here, just now,
> https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/f/91473
> If you are interested in something like that I have time to make changes.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Drew
>
> On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 10:16 AM Mike Saunders <
> mike.saund...@documentfoundation.org> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> So here's my draft of questions for the quiz. I'll post them on the blog
>> on December 24.
>>
>>
>> Try the LibreOffice Christmas Quiz!
>>
>> How much do you know about LibreOffice - the software, the community and
>> its history? We've made a little quiz for you to try out, so check out
>> the questions below, and you'll find the answers at the bottom. Good
>> luck :-)
>>
>>
>> 1. LibreOffice is a successor to OpenOffice.org, which was based on the
>> proprietary suite StarOffice. Which company was behind StarOffice?
>>
>> A: Star Corp
>> B: Solar Sys
>> C: Star Division
>>
>>
>> 2. In which year was The Document Foundation (TDF), the non-profit
>> entity, legally established?
>>
>> A: 2009
>> B: 2012
>> C: 2014
>>
>>
>> 3. Who is the current chairperson of TDF?
>>
>> A: Marina Latini
>> B: Michael Meeks
>> C: Thorsten Behrens
>>
>>
>> 4. LibreOffice includes a graphics editing tool - what is it called?
>>
>> A: Create
>> B: Draw
>> C: Graphic
>>
>>
>> 5. If you don't like the default icon set in LibreOffice, how can you
>> change it?
>>
>> A: Under the Format menu
>> B: Via Tools > Options > View
>> C: Using an extension
>>
>>
>> 6. What's the standard document format of LibreOffice called?
>>
>> A: OpenDocument Format
>> B: OpenXML Format
>> C: LibreDocument Format
>>
>>
>> 7. What is a "Hybrid PDF?"
>>
>> A: It includes interactive elements and animations
>> B: It includes all fonts, to display properly everywhere
>> C: It includes the original source document, to allow editing
>>
>>
>> 8. LibreOffice includes a dockable window to help you move around
>> complex documents. What is it called?
>>
>> A: DocBrowser
>> B: Navigator
>> C: Overview
>>
>>
>> 9. If you want Writer to automatically add numbered captions when
>> inserting objects, where do you go?
>>
>> A: Tools > Options > Objects > Preferences
>> C: Insert > Image > tick "Add captions" box
>> C: Tools > Options > LibreOffice Writer > AutoCaption
>>
>>
>> 10. With which major LibreOffice release did the branding change to
>> include cubes?
>>
>> A: LibreOffice 4
>> B: LibreOffice 5
>> C: LibreOffice 6
>>
>>
>> 11. LibreOffice 6.2 will include a new (optional) user interface design.
>> What's its name?
>>
>> A: TabBar
>> B: GroupedBar
>> C: NotebookBar
>>
>>
>> 12. Where did the 2013 LibreOffice Conference take place?
>>
>> A: Berlin
>> B: Milan
>> C: Paris
>>
>>
>> 13. And where will the 2019 Conference be?
>>
>> A: Almeria
>> B: Stockholm
>> C: Budapest
>>
>>
>> 14. Markus Mohrhard is a long-time LibreOffice developer, who has been
>> involved in the project since its early years. What is his nickname?
>>
>> A: Moggi
>> B: Marko
>> C: Maggi
>>
>>
>> 15. Another hard-working member of the community is "raal", who helps
>> out with events in the Czech Republic. But what's his real name?
>>
>> A: Stanislav Horáček
>> B: Zdeněk Crhonek
>> C: Jan Dvořák
>>
>>
>> 16. Finally, who can join the LibreOffice project and help to improve
>> the software?
>>
>> A: Experienced C++ developers
>> B: Members of The Document Foundation
>> C: Absolutely anybody
>>
>>
>> And now, the answers: [answers here]
>>
>> We in the community wish you all a great Christmas and festive time, and
>> a happy new year. Here's to a great 2019, with many more LibreOffice
>> releases, events and fun to be had!
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibreOffice Christmas quiz for the blog - ideas wanted!

[Drew Jensen]

That looks great.

Likely you have a graphic already for the blog post, but I put together an
idea for a Merry Christmas Card type of graphic - it's all original of
course.
Put a quick first cut of something here, just now,
https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/f/91473
If you are interested in something like that I have time to make changes.

Best wishes,

Drew

On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 10:16 AM Mike Saunders <
mike.saund...@documentfoundation.org> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> So here's my draft of questions for the quiz. I'll post them on the blog
> on December 24.
>
>
> Try the LibreOffice Christmas Quiz!
>
> How much do you know about LibreOffice - the software, the community and
> its history? We've made a little quiz for you to try out, so check out
> the questions below, and you'll find the answers at the bottom. Good
> luck :-)
>
>
> 1. LibreOffice is a successor to OpenOffice.org, which was based on the
> proprietary suite StarOffice. Which company was behind StarOffice?
>
> A: Star Corp
> B: Solar Sys
> C: Star Division
>
>
> 2. In which year was The Document Foundation (TDF), the non-profit
> entity, legally established?
>
> A: 2009
> B: 2012
> C: 2014
>
>
> 3. Who is the current chairperson of TDF?
>
> A: Marina Latini
> B: Michael Meeks
> C: Thorsten Behrens
>
>
> 4. LibreOffice includes a graphics editing tool - what is it called?
>
> A: Create
> B: Draw
> C: Graphic
>
>
> 5. If you don't like the default icon set in LibreOffice, how can you
> change it?
>
> A: Under the Format menu
> B: Via Tools > Options > View
> C: Using an extension
>
>
> 6. What's the standard document format of LibreOffice called?
>
> A: OpenDocument Format
> B: OpenXML Format
> C: LibreDocument Format
>
>
> 7. What is a "Hybrid PDF?"
>
> A: It includes interactive elements and animations
> B: It includes all fonts, to display properly everywhere
> C: It includes the original source document, to allow editing
>
>
> 8. LibreOffice includes a dockable window to help you move around
> complex documents. What is it called?
>
> A: DocBrowser
> B: Navigator
> C: Overview
>
>
> 9. If you want Writer to automatically add numbered captions when
> inserting objects, where do you go?
>
> A: Tools > Options > Objects > Preferences
> C: Insert > Image > tick "Add captions" box
> C: Tools > Options > LibreOffice Writer > AutoCaption
>
>
> 10. With which major LibreOffice release did the branding change to
> include cubes?
>
> A: LibreOffice 4
> B: LibreOffice 5
> C: LibreOffice 6
>
>
> 11. LibreOffice 6.2 will include a new (optional) user interface design.
> What's its name?
>
> A: TabBar
> B: GroupedBar
> C: NotebookBar
>
>
> 12. Where did the 2013 LibreOffice Conference take place?
>
> A: Berlin
> B: Milan
> C: Paris
>
>
> 13. And where will the 2019 Conference be?
>
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Infographic 'Changing Face of LibreOffice' part II

[Drew Jensen]

Howdy Bhairavi;

Thank you very much for that.

I reviewed everything you sent this last weekend and will put much of it to
use.

So, since no one has said "hey we don't need this or want it" will plow
forward then.

I want to make all of the files (odt, ods, xcf, etc) available for others
to use which raises quick question:

Folder on the NC server (Tabbed Notebook Handouts, I suppose) would make
sense then it could be either in my private space, where I have to share
explicitly to people, or in the common Marketing folder as a sub folder
which is automatically shared.

My preference is as sub folder in the shared marketing space.

If that is fine with folks I'll do so on Wednesday with what I have on it.

Thanks,

Drew



On Sun, Dec 2, 2018 at 5:16 AM Bhairavi Parikh  wrote:

> Hi Drew and everyone,
>
> PFA PDF and Doc with Comments.
>
> What do you think?
>
> B.
>
> On Sun, Nov 25, 2018 at 1:33 PM Bhairavi Parikh 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Drew,
>>
>> I'm a copywriter and also on the LibreOffice marketing group.
>>
>> I've tried to set up an account on Next Cloud but am unable to.
>> Is it possible for you to share a JPG with me so I can suggest changes to
>> the copy?
>>
>> Who is our target audience for this piece? In what places will it appear
>> - online and offline?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Bhairavi.
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 25, 2018 at 10:12 AM Drew Jensen 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Howdy,
>>>
>>> OK, so I've taken what I've heard on the list here, thanks again, and
>>> make
>>> some changes to this file.
>>>
>>> First the graphics design elements. I pulled the libo6 branding zip file
>>> off the wiki (and the 5), I used the logo from this branding kit and then
>>> did a merge of part of the 4 branding and the 6 gray gradient branding.
>>> (I
>>> do the final background work with GIMP and did not upload the xcf file,
>>> but
>>> I would do so when this is finished along with odt in a zip file)
>>>
>>> I did this specifically to come at one of the points, raised here on the
>>> list, of presenting the change without causing undue concern regarding
>>> the
>>> current UI, with the message.
>>> You can see this in the file here: ChangingFaceOfLibreOffice.jpeg
>>> https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/f/84391
>>>
>>> Text wise you will see it is reading more like a document page than a
>>> marketing piece, well I figure that I can try to kill two birds with one
>>> stone today.
>>> The odt file that is used is also available if you have a NC account and
>>> is: ChangingFaceOfLibreOffice.odt
>>> https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/f/84046
>>>
>>> Assuming that the graphics stay as is, for the moment, and any wordsmith
>>> ideas on presenting the information in the text towards marketing would
>>> be
>>> deeply appreciated.
>>>
>>> Thanks and best wishes,
>>>
>>> Drew
>>>
>>> p.s. deleted the earlier jpeg off the NC server
>>>
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Infographic 'Changing Face of LibreOffice' part II

[Drew Jensen]

I should expand on that last email - so it was only this afternoon that I
realized there was a simple way to have both the top level menu and the
notebook bar. The last week every time I needed the top menu back I would
use the menu system to switch back to the standard toolbar UI. Today, even
though I had clicked on it I'm sure at some point last week, it hit home
that the button at the top left corner of the notebook bar put the top menu
back, with the notebook bar in place - great that is worlds better and my
rote use of menu accelerator keys for quick input come back.. so, that is
for this piece IMO for sure. I'll try to cut in that and update the file
tomorrow.

On Sun, Nov 25, 2018 at 4:03 PM Drew Jensen 
wrote:

> Howdy Bhairavi,
>
> So the shortest answer to who is the target audience; The general expo
> floor attendee at SCaLE (Sothern California Linux Expo) as a print piece.
> Actually what I would like to do is have few versions of the basic piece
> with two on the Notebook interface (tabs/Groups and Menu Management) then
> one on LibreOffice Online / Android viewer.  That linux expo of course can
> be a stand in for plenty others, but timing wise that show is second week
> in March, so my target is last week of February to have the series complet.
>
> I would figure on generating 90dpi versions based off the print files for
> use online and that would likely include light changes to layout also.
>
> In my mind as this plan hatched it was the harvest graphic, downloaded as
> a personalization theme last week, which got me to think of the UI changes
> in the toolbar, the refactoring work that has gone into making LOOL what it
> is becoming, and other major enhancements/expansions, made the first last
> seven years as the harvest reaped from the work of the community and
> foundation members. I would like to find a why to bring that image into the
> graphics and text.
>
> Now remember this is just a couple of screen shot, and I was really do
> those just to reacquaint myself to doing them at first (working out a set
> of GIMP filters) for generating print graphics, and the text is intended to
> be the very root of a chapter about the notebook bar in a guide. The
> graphic design elements was also a test run as I'd not looked at LO
> branding in a good while.
>
> So basically everything can be changed - but I was hoping to block of the
> layout with the moment and just think about what to say in the text.
>
> This I think turned into the piece focused on menu management with the
> Notebook bar in use - there is more to say on the details still for this
> piece, another paragraph maybe two.
>
> So don't laugh; the jpeg is available (with a link good for the next 48
> hours, cause this is temp file) at
> https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/QWfm7isS74aoZa2
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Drew
>
> ps - I found that the latest build of the software now has keyboard
> navigation working on the notebook bar, so there you go, even more stuff to
> tell folks about.. ;-)
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 25, 2018 at 3:03 AM Bhairavi Parikh 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Drew,
>>
>> I'm a copywriter and also on the LibreOffice marketing group.
>>
>> I've tried to set up an account on Next Cloud but am unable to.
>> Is it possible for you to share a JPG with me so I can suggest changes to
>> the copy?
>>
>> Who is our target audience for this piece? In what places will it appear
>> - online and offline?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Bhairavi.
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 25, 2018 at 10:12 AM Drew Jensen 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Howdy,
>>>
>>> OK, so I've taken what I've heard on the list here, thanks again, and
>>> make
>>> some changes to this file.
>>>
>>> First the graphics design elements. I pulled the libo6 branding zip file
>>> off the wiki (and the 5), I used the logo from this branding kit and then
>>> did a merge of part of the 4 branding and the 6 gray gradient branding.
>>> (I
>>> do the final background work with GIMP and did not upload the xcf file,
>>> but
>>> I would do so when this is finished along with odt in a zip file)
>>>
>>> I did this specifically to come at one of the points, raised here on the
>>> list, of presenting the change without causing undue concern regarding
>>> the
>>> current UI, with the message.
>>> You can see this in the file here: ChangingFaceOfLibreOffice.jpeg
>>> https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/f/84391
>>>
>>> Text wise you will see it is reading more like a document page than a
>>> marketing piece, well I figure that I can try to kill two birds w

Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Infographic 'Changing Face of LibreOffice' part II

[Drew Jensen]

Howdy Bhairavi,

So the shortest answer to who is the target audience; The general expo
floor attendee at SCaLE (Sothern California Linux Expo) as a print piece.
Actually what I would like to do is have few versions of the basic piece
with two on the Notebook interface (tabs/Groups and Menu Management) then
one on LibreOffice Online / Android viewer.  That linux expo of course can
be a stand in for plenty others, but timing wise that show is second week
in March, so my target is last week of February to have the series complet.

I would figure on generating 90dpi versions based off the print files for
use online and that would likely include light changes to layout also.

In my mind as this plan hatched it was the harvest graphic, downloaded as a
personalization theme last week, which got me to think of the UI changes in
the toolbar, the refactoring work that has gone into making LOOL what it is
becoming, and other major enhancements/expansions, made the first last
seven years as the harvest reaped from the work of the community and
foundation members. I would like to find a why to bring that image into the
graphics and text.

Now remember this is just a couple of screen shot, and I was really do
those just to reacquaint myself to doing them at first (working out a set
of GIMP filters) for generating print graphics, and the text is intended to
be the very root of a chapter about the notebook bar in a guide. The
graphic design elements was also a test run as I'd not looked at LO
branding in a good while.

So basically everything can be changed - but I was hoping to block of the
layout with the moment and just think about what to say in the text.

This I think turned into the piece focused on menu management with the
Notebook bar in use - there is more to say on the details still for this
piece, another paragraph maybe two.

So don't laugh; the jpeg is available (with a link good for the next 48
hours, cause this is temp file) at
https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/QWfm7isS74aoZa2

Best wishes,

Drew

ps - I found that the latest build of the software now has keyboard
navigation working on the notebook bar, so there you go, even more stuff to
tell folks about.. ;-)






On Sun, Nov 25, 2018 at 3:03 AM Bhairavi Parikh  wrote:

> Hi Drew,
>
> I'm a copywriter and also on the LibreOffice marketing group.
>
> I've tried to set up an account on Next Cloud but am unable to.
> Is it possible for you to share a JPG with me so I can suggest changes to
> the copy?
>
> Who is our target audience for this piece? In what places will it appear -
> online and offline?
>
> Regards,
> Bhairavi.
>
> On Sun, Nov 25, 2018 at 10:12 AM Drew Jensen 
> wrote:
>
>> Howdy,
>>
>> OK, so I've taken what I've heard on the list here, thanks again, and make
>> some changes to this file.
>>
>> First the graphics design elements. I pulled the libo6 branding zip file
>> off the wiki (and the 5), I used the logo from this branding kit and then
>> did a merge of part of the 4 branding and the 6 gray gradient branding. (I
>> do the final background work with GIMP and did not upload the xcf file,
>> but
>> I would do so when this is finished along with odt in a zip file)
>>
>> I did this specifically to come at one of the points, raised here on the
>> list, of presenting the change without causing undue concern regarding the
>> current UI, with the message.
>> You can see this in the file here: ChangingFaceOfLibreOffice.jpeg
>> https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/f/84391
>>
>> Text wise you will see it is reading more like a document page than a
>> marketing piece, well I figure that I can try to kill two birds with one
>> stone today.
>> The odt file that is used is also available if you have a NC account and
>> is: ChangingFaceOfLibreOffice.odt
>> https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/f/84046
>>
>> Assuming that the graphics stay as is, for the moment, and any wordsmith
>> ideas on presenting the information in the text towards marketing would be
>> deeply appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks and best wishes,
>>
>> Drew
>>
>> p.s. deleted the earlier jpeg off the NC server
>>
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