RE: MD: Will MD Survive?
Even the majority of untrained ears appreciate a good sounding format/system. I've had that commented to me on many occasions when I've happily demonstrated my car setup fronted by my 8900. From the reactions I get out of that alone, it is proof enough for me that you don't have to be an audiophile to appreciate a good sound. Probably a good reason why most of them went about actually investing in MD's themselves 3#-) Adios, LarZ --- TAMA - The Strongest Name in Drums --- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Shawn R. Lin Sent: Monday, 24 January 2000 18:18 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: MD: Will MD Survive? Sure, maybe to YOU and select audiophiles that really care about sound quality. But mass acceptance and becoming mainstream have very little to do with sound quality. MP3 would not be nearly as popular as it is now if sound - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Will MD Survive?
At 02:07 + 24/1/00, Magic wrote: but unless Sony wise up and do some serious marketing I see MD being threatened quite seriously you'll still be able to get blank MDs for years though, I can still get Betamax video cassette and that format has been all but dead for years (more's the pity IMHO). Hey folks - time for the de-lurk. Anyway, as a recent MD adopter, I thought through all of this stuff rather seriously. My decision was MP3 player versus MD - I wanted a small, portable format since I'm on the go a lot. When I compared the two for many reasons (sound quality, cost, versatility, functionality...the list goes on...), I went MD and I have absolutely no regrets. Everyone that I've showed the MD stuff to thinks it is "the coolest little thing in the world." My wife, skeptical at first, was an immediate convert, so off we went for another portable unit! So I think that Sony and the others could really make a convincing case for the MD. But I do agree with most posters that some level of computer integration (USB, etc.) would make the MD stronger... But with the right marketing, Sony (and others) could really kick some ass here - even as MD exists currently. And I have some level of comparison, being that I live in Spain now and visit the US frequently. In Spain - in Barcelona at least - there was a MD 'campaign' with spots before the movies and billboards. Most electronics chains carry a varying range of MD equipment, and at Christmas time, the stuff seemed to be moving rather quickly. I couldn't even get near most of the MD displays in the bigger stores; it was just too crowded. I'd say that among the teenager-under30 group here, most people here know what MD is and think it is cool. Compare this to the US where no one really knew what my MD player was, where equipment was somewhat harder to find, and where publicity wasn't quite as strong...well, you get the idea. So come on, Sony, get on the ball and market! With the right push, MD will be here to stay without a doubt. best regards, and thanks to all for many informative and entertaining messages. bob p.s. copyright debate stuff aside (I don't want to start another holy war), are there any folks on the list in Spain/Barcelona who want to swap MDs? --- Bob Torres Ph.D. Candidate - Development Sociology Department of Rural Sociology Cornell University, 133A Warren Hall Ithaca, NY 14853 USA tel:215-487-3415 - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: Will MD Survive?
It is, of course, all about money. If MD makes money for someone, it will survive. I don't know if Sony will carry the ball, but maybe one of the other companies will pick it up if Sony drops it. Hope so. Blanks may actually be where the money is made on MD. If this is the case, there will be monetary incentives to keep the format going for a while. I agree, though, that marketing(at least in the U.S.)has never been good and is getting worse. I don't think it matters whether or not it makes sense to "either/or" MD and MP3, it is how the masses perceive things. MP3 is making a pretty big splash here and MD has never made a ripple. Chris Callahan -- home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] work: [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL: http://www.coldwatercentral.com -- - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: Case for Sony MZ-R55
Hello all I am looking for a carrying case for my MZ-R55. I would like a case that is like the "walkman" style, fits around the MD recorder snuggly and has a strap for carrying on my shoulder for jogging. Preferrable the case would leave the control buttons on top exposed for access. Does anyone know where I can find something like this? Thanks, Wayne Loden Southaven, MS USA __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Re: Additional Battery
I once heard some argument to the effect that rechargeable batteries are sometimes not recommended for certain equipment because their internal resistance is different (lower?) and so could drop more current into some circuits than they should take. Is this a bogus argument? It may be partly true: as far as I know, NiCd batteries (don't know about NiMH) will produce a very high current when short circuited, or with a resistance of less than one ohm across them, but most electronic equipment has much higher resistances (eg 100 ohms) so this should not be a problem. I also heard somewhere that Li-Ion batteries can be ruined by shorting their terminals, due to a buildup of pressure that can't be vented quickly enough, although I'm not sure if this is true or not. Jonathan - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: MP3 -- Am I the only one that hates it so?
The subject says it all: am I the only person in the world -- or even here -- that hates MP3? I mean, yes, it has definite advantages, such as trying out music or getting it free by downloading; but I hate having to depend on my computer so much. I think that a music medium shouldn't be so tied in to computers. I don't mind MP3 as long as it keeps its place: behind MD and CD. Portable MP3 seem stupid to me because ... well, it's tough to explain. It just seems so much easier and smarter to just transfer MP3s to MD (or CD). To me, that's the only reason it should be used -- and not as a stand-alone medium. It's so computer-intensive! Does anyone see what I trying to say here? J. C. R. Davis ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Will MD Survive?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Tape cassettes are virtually dead any more. Most of my younger friends don't have a single tape playing device. The market is very narrow if Ever look at a car? Most cars (in the US, anyway) have tape decks, and *only* tape decks. Car CD players are still prohibitively expensive, and I know a number of folks who keep many tapes to listen to in the car. Also, If you go to any major music store (Tower Records, Record Town, etc.) you *will* find huge selections of cassettes. If the market isn't there, they wouldn't have a selection that big. /Andrew -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBOIyAILVO5F5M77LBAQEDegP/bJmcvaUAedhNaiVIuU0MrRJlPQKcsSqA ISztaLGgppC8MlUFqO1MuavKm9mUdPg2yhlJHrGlegpnX0iHCiEn6M8t99ETDQPT K4tYR2puI/oCQJTF2kyf8NNuavZMIcVKIvu9aslJ2KP2Rk3+Cdx1tTJEmJMqDya3 0qEQ4JZfDng= =EZxb -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Re: Additional Battery
I worked at an electronics dealer in technical sales support for a number of years, and this sort of question came up a number of times. However, regardless of the amount of current a power source can supply, the equipment in use will draw what it needs. If a power supply can provide 3.5 amps, but the equipment only draws 500 mA, then that's what it will get. The only time I can think of that something else would happen would require a malfunction/short circuit within the equipment itself, but that is still not a battery or power supply problem. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: Will MD Survive?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- an audiophile to appreciate a good sound. Probably a good reason why most of them went about actually investing in MD's themselves 3#-) After playing my '702 for a number of friends, at least 7 of them have since gone out and purchased MD units (either 702, 722, 831, or R55). Why? They saw the size of the discs, the *durability* of the discs and the units, saw that you can not only play back but *record* in the palm of your hand, and that the quality was practically indistinguishable from CD, even on a set of high quality headphones (I usually demo my MD with my Sony MDR-V600 phones). /Andrew -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBOIyA6rVO5F5M77LBAQHVxwP9FdS0QG68De1KTFvWhxNNuArD00vkYS1O dNzgq9NZj/LH5OU1UKsSRx2fpQG7j6fWvAcbI3PqbywJqd41OafknfHc26Z+AiOL PVIGeh19BB9dAhc1SrIH9hvqgFAe4sh6x0738RFJW5MeBgLtPvjPMD9X2MoeWtsD jzXSuA29vfQ= =U+uQ -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: 702 crash.
Hya, It gets skips and dropouts, and has trouble writing the TOC... playback of old discs works just fine, so I think it's just the record head that might be out of alignment... is there a testmode option to get the head to realign itself, or will I have to send this in for real repairs? Could be the UTOC error, or maybe it needs a re-adjust... Goto www.wood-soft.co.uk for that info ;) Follow link in bar to MiniDisc's ;) Peter. -- "We do not ask for money, only knowledge." -- Me. Peter Wood ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Visit my Sharp 7XX homepage (http://www.wood-soft.co.uk) - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: MP3 -- Am I the only one that hates it so?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- The subject says it all: am I the only person in the world -- or even here -- that hates MP3? I mean, yes, it has definite advantages, such as trying out music or getting it free by downloading; but I hate having to depend on my computer so much. I think that a music medium shouldn't be so tied in to computers. I agree wholeheartedly, actually. MP3 is great if I want that one random song, or if a friend tells me, "check it out, this is a cool track," and if I like it, I go purchase the CD, or add it to my CDnow gift registry and hope that someone else buys it for me. =) [shameless plug: I turn 19 on Thursday, so if anyone feels like getting me a gift, even though I've never met any of you, go to http:[EMAIL PROTECTED] =) ] I don't mind MP3 as long as it keeps its place: behind MD and CD. Portable MP3 seem stupid to me because ... well, it's tough to explain. It just seems so much easier and smarter to just transfer MP3s to MD (or CD). To me, that's the only reason it should be used -- and not as a stand-alone medium. It's so computer-intensive! I know what you mean... also, MP3, unless at 192kbps or higher, sounds much crappier than the CD. My MP3's are around for a very simple reason... when I'm at my computer and I'm too lazy to reach into my CD's to find a particular one, I just find a directory of mp3's and play 'em. /Andrew -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBOIyYU7VO5F5M77LBAQE54gP8Cq+O9Ns4PyvJ9lsXmCDMxJZY9Edh9dXO bSR0DcULuIFEvDn7oTih/UW11aIGB3i0JN05f5HaIA/FH8t9IVlgM/+Ixixpqbry keondq6XSyqReCaItk8IlnpwpsvOPIinX/LRg+K5dBByUFJu+Ov/xUhI96h71yM8 j7KkJI2XIKw= =8haL -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: 702 crash.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Could be the UTOC error, or maybe it needs a re-adjust... Goto www.wood-soft.co.uk for that info ;) Follow link in bar to MiniDisc's ;) Wouldn't the UTOC error also manifest itself on playback as well? I've already done the AUTO adjusts (AUTO1 and AUTO2), and they both give an "ADJ. OK" ... Oy. =) /Andrew -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBOIyaILVO5F5M77LBAQFilwQAinxvo/V0EXWvb/SamvH2S9bcex9CDlzJ KUQIW04Xq9+sC2NtixSh8jqBs5YgtTaI6kdIDF5nhVFw7J3CweGCON3sw4DqNNc1 4lDTlyuk3bX2O90KsIs8NIQ8QSBuKfTokpSDQuiw1bFX//tEvIvpUEU2oj5bqsOo LRsBIjWjKao= =IFC1 -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: MP3 -- Am I the only one that hates it so?
I second that. As far as portability goes, every time i rush into my house, and rush out again with a complete change of music, i thank the lucky stars for MD's cause if i have to sit infront of a computer and pick what songs i want, and then wait for the download i would be very miserable. Mini discs are the bomb!! if you do like MP3's and love dance music, check these out: ftp://ftp.21ca.com/pub/mp3dump/Brynmore-ComingFromTheRoots.mp3 (17.6 MB) ftp://ftp.21ca.com/pub/mp3dump/Brynmore-DemBushesWild.mp3 (16.9 MB) ftp://ftp.21ca.com/pub/mp3dump/Brynmore-LiveAtSolaris-Dub.mp3 (17 MB) ftp://ftp.21ca.com/pub/mp3dump/Brynmore-LiveOnWZBC-7-19-99-Dub.mp3 (14.4 MB) ftp://ftp.21ca.com/pub/mp3dump/Brynmore-LiveOnWZBC-7-19-99-Techno.mp3 (18.1 MB) ftp://ftp.21ca.com/pub/mp3dump/Brynmore-ThatBoyIsStrange.mp3 (17.6 MB) Pan Sonic Mixes ftp://ftp.21ca.com/pub/mp3dump/ Pan_Sonic-MP3/Pan_sonic_Activation_By_DJ_brynmore.mp3 (8.5 MB) ftp://ftp.21ca.com/pub/mp3dump/ Pan_Sonic-MP3/Pan_Sonic_Transposition_By_DJ_brynmore.mp3 (8.1MB) Peace The subject says it all: am I the only person in the world -- or even here -- that hates MP3? The middle man does not add value, just cost. __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Will MD Survive?
Andrew Hobgood wrote: Tape cassettes are virtually dead any more. Most of my younger friends don't have a single tape playing device. The market is very narrow if Ever look at a car? Most cars (in the US, anyway) have tape decks, and *only* tape decks. Car CD players are still prohibitively expensive, and I know a number of folks who keep many tapes to listen to in the car. Also, If you go to any major music store (Tower Records, Record Town, etc.) you *will* find huge selections of cassettes. If the market isn't there, they wouldn't have a selection that big. Maybe smaller cities are more technologically ahead? Most newer cars are ordered with factory CD players any more from what I've seen. Even my old 1990 Pontiac has a factory CD player. Most new GM cars have a combination CD/tape player in a double-DIN slot. Every single one of my friends and both my sisters yanked out their factory tape players and put in aftermarket CD players a long time ago. That seems to be the case with almost everyone I've met that are in Sony's prime target age group for MD marketing. No such thing as either Tower Records or Record Town around here. Just Hastings, Best Buy, Circuit City, and what use to be Blockbuster Music is now Wharehouse music or some such thing. None of them have many prerecorded cassettes anymore. -- Shawn Lin http://www2.cybercities.com/g/gmwbodycars/ __ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: Will MD Survive?
MP3 is hot because the internet is hot. I don't know anyone who has an MP3 player, so I can't get any first-hand info, but I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of people who buy one quit using it after a few weeks. Especially people who bought it as an audio device, vs. a computer toy. I could see hardcore computer users continuing to use them, but the person who is more an audio lover and not a computer lover might get frustrated pretty quickly by constantly having to download and transfer files. Does anyone else have a feel for the long-term satisfaction of MP3 users? - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: MP3 -- Am I the only one that hates it so?
I think you make a very valid point that should be made in the "Will MD Survive?" thread as well. Namely that the majority of the world does not want to use their computer for a stereo or otherwise rely upon their computer for everything. Digressing from your post a bit, I think what MD proponents need to emphasize more than anything is how much of a pain in the ass CDs actually are. They are big, awkward, prone to damage and skipping -- and CDRs are even worse. Solid state devices look nice until you start talking about media cost ($200 for a 64MB memory stick? Are they serious?). Anyway, what will sell a format is its convenience. I'm not sure sound quality is really going to get it for us. Let me join with the others in saying that I really, really want a USB MD drive. Or an ATAPI drive that does MD-Data too :). Hmmm...what an utterly horrible post. I usually am more coherent than this :). -Matt --On Monday, January 24, 2000 10:25 AM -0600 "J. C. R. Davis" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The subject says it all: am I the only person in the world -- or even here -- that hates MP3? I mean, yes, it has definite advantages, such as trying out music or getting it free by downloading; but I hate having to depend on my computer so much. I think that a music medium shouldn't be so tied in to computers. I don't mind MP3 as long as it keeps its place: behind MD and CD. Portable MP3 seem stupid to me because ... well, it's tough to explain. It just seems so much easier and smarter to just transfer MP3s to MD (or CD). To me, that's the only reason it should be used -- and not as a stand-alone medium. It's so computer-intensive! Does anyone see what I trying to say here? J. C. R. Davis ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: Re: Additional Battery
But there's only so much current a particular chemistry can handle putting out before it dies a premature death. A perfect example of this was Makita power tools which were released with NiMH batteries. Their battery packs died within 3 months of usage and so they were recalled and replaced with NiCd's like they used to use without any ill effect thereafter. Proof in the pudding is in the tasting. Adios, LarZ --- TAMA - The Strongest Name in Drums --- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 25 January 2000 2:41 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: MD: Re: Additional Battery I worked at an electronics dealer in technical sales support for a number of years, and this sort of question came up a number of times. However, regardless of the amount of current a power source can supply, the equipment in use will draw what it needs. If a power supply can provide 3.5 amps, but the equipment only draws 500 mA, then that's what it will get. The only time I can think of that something else would happen would require a malfunction/short circuit within the equipment itself, but that is still not a battery or power supply problem. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Will MD Survive?
It's the old Betamax vs VHS argument again. Betamax was undoubtedly the better format - smaller size tapes with higher quality pictures and sound, and the tapes were slightly longer!(Stainless Steel Rat) Actually, Betamax had a *shorter* recording time than VHS, and that is the main reason why VHS won out over Beta. When VHS was first introduced, Betamax could only record one hour on a tape (versus VHS's two hours), which was impractical for Americans who wanted to tape television movies. As the competition intensified between the two formats, VHS continued to pull ahead in recording time. Betamax didn't have a chance because Sony was too stupid to consider surveys indicating the American preference for longer recording time. As for the MP3-MD debate, Sony would be smart to consider bundling a cheap portable recorder with an optical out sound card. That would put its product in electronic stores' PC departments so that minidisc could compete with MP3. At Best Buy at least, MP3 players are merchandised in the Home Audio Department as well as in the PCHO Department, and in the PCHO Department, MP3 players can be found on a prominent front endcap, in the back lock-up wall, *and* (beginning this week) in the multimedia peripherals section. Sony desperately needs to play catch up if it wants to win this popularity contest! Daryl - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: Will MD Survive?
I agree completely. I think that market could be completely replaced by MD over time. -- Martin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Andrew Hobgood Sent: Monday, January 24, 2000 11:39 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: MD: Will MD Survive? -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Tape cassettes are virtually dead any more. Most of my younger friends don't have a single tape playing device. The market is very narrow if Ever look at a car? Most cars (in the US, anyway) have tape decks, and *only* tape decks. Car CD players are still prohibitively expensive, and I know a number of folks who keep many tapes to listen to in the car. Also, If you go to any major music store (Tower Records, Record Town, etc.) you *will* find huge selections of cassettes. If the market isn't there, they wouldn't have a selection that big. /Andrew -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBOIyAILVO5F5M77LBAQEDegP/bJmcvaUAedhNaiVIuU0MrRJlPQKcsSqA ISztaLGgppC8MlUFqO1MuavKm9mUdPg2yhlJHrGlegpnX0iHCiEn6M8t99ETDQPT K4tYR2puI/oCQJTF2kyf8NNuavZMIcVKIvu9aslJ2KP2Rk3+Cdx1tTJEmJMqDya3 0qEQ4JZfDng= =EZxb -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Will MD Survive?
I still maintain that if here in North America we could somehow magically plant a portable MD in everyone's hands for just one weekend..MD would be the biggest thing since Marge Simpson's hair..there has never been a sexier audio medium than the minidisc.period! Tom - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: MiniDisc saves the day: a brief experience
There was a get-together for the youths in our congregation last Saturday night. During the evening, something went wrong with the DJ's CD player (so I'm told), so he begged us to bring our portable MiniDisc player, a Sony MZ-R37. He connected it and we gave him a quick once-over. He was very impressed. Additionally, a singing artist named Veronica something-or-other was present as well to perform a few songs. The medium chosen for her music? You guessed it: MD. We briefly talked about the format, and I learned that she keeps all of her music on MD. 'It's the way to go,' she said. Incidentally, she owns an R30. Don't give up hope, mailing list folks! - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: Will MD Survive?
Blanks may actually be where the money is made on MD. I doubt that - I pay less for blank (branded) MDs than branded CDR, and the MDs come in their plastic jackets, with the shutter + labels, etc. MD has a smaller potential market too, so there's no economy of scale going on. It's hardly like Iomega where they charge a fortune for blank media (Zip 100 discs over 7UKP!) because they have a captive market. -- Simon - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: MP3 -- Am I the only one that hates it so?
The subject says it all: am I the only person in the world -- or even here -- that hates MP3? I mean, yes, it has definite advantages, such as trying out music or getting it free by downloading; but I hate having to depend on my computer so much. I think that a music medium shouldn't be so tied in to computers. In a small uni bedroom, my computer's always there and always on when I'm awake. Over the summer I ripped all my (200ish i guess) CDs to MP3 and burned them onto 20 CD-Rs. Now instead of taking 4 hefty cardboard boxes with me to uni, I can get it all in one shoebox. Even if I had the time to put them all on MDs, that'd cost a lot in media and would take up more than twice the space of the CD-Rs. Stuff I particulary like I've already put on to MD (got about 25 discs here at the moment)- any new stuff I download (and like enough) goes on there too. I don't mind MP3 as long as it keeps its place: behind MD and CD. Portable MP3 seem stupid to me because ... well, it's tough to explain. It just seems so much easier and smarter to just transfer MP3s to MD (or CD). To me, that's the only reason it should be used -- and not as a stand-alone medium. It's so computer-intensive! I'm just not organised enough to have time to get a playlist of tracks I want, re-encode them (my own rips are all at 160 or 192k - too big for a portable MP3 player), then wait while they transfer to the player. I'd much rather grab my R55 and a couple of discs and be out the door. Does anyone see what I trying to say here? Kinda, but don't write the format off just because it's of limited use to you. J. C. R. Davis ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -- Simon - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: really loud concerts
Hello: Jerry Jelinek wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Also, we have a new product of interest to anyone using microphones to record very loud shows. Our new High SPL (sound pressure level) power supplies, when combined with the Audio Technica microphones, allow undistorted recording to be made up to 145dB - 150dB (depending on model). I would STRONGLY encourage anyone doing recording at this EXTREME volume to ALWAYS wear some sort of ear protection. A minimum of ear plugs, but more preferrable some sort of over the ear sound protection. Volumes at this magnitude WILL DO serious damage to your ear drums VERY quickly. Jerry Agreed. Hopefully, this goes without saying, but it is worth mentioning. -- Best regards, Chris Carfagno The Sound Professionals 1-800-213-3021 1-856-629-1619 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.soundprofessionals.com - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: 702 crash.
Wouldn't the UTOC error also manifest itself on playback as well? I've already done the AUTO adjusts (AUTO1 and AUTO2), and they both give an "ADJ. OK" ... Oy. =) Yes it most probably would. Send me an e-mail off list and when my exams finish on Wednesday I will give you some instructions on how to have a go at fixing it. Have a look at http://www.btinternet.com/~ighorsey and follow the links for a brief explanation with some photographs. Ian - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: corporate mergers
Peter Wood brought up, | On another note, I don't perticulary like the way the music industry | is developing either, I saw the news this morning when I got up... EMI | and Time Warner joining... EMI is the biggest music compnay in the | UK... The only non-Sony labels from which I've ever seen premastered MDs were owned by either CEMA or Warner. So now we have them not from three of the Big Five but two of the Big Four [assuming that the Warner EMI combination will go through]. Almost all pop music from the 1940s came out on Capitol, Columbia, Decca, or Victor. Now we're coming full circle to the current owners of the same four labels. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Will MD Survive?
Tom ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I still maintain that if here in North America we could somehow magically plant a portable MD in everyone's hands for just one weekend..MD would be the biggest thing since Marge Simpson's hair..there has never been a sexier audio medium than the minidisc.period! Response: I agree with this comment. It seems to me that most people that I've come in contact with are just ignorant about MD and it's advantages. Not to mention that the populace is just too confused to decide which format is best (e.g. MD, CD-R/RW, MP3). I just wish Sony and other MD-supportive companies would get on the ball with heavier advertising. I believe MD is the natural evolutionary progression from CD, and I see no reason why they can't live in peace together -- with MP3 as a *side* format for either playing on computer or transferring to MD or CD-R(W)! J. C. R. Davis ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: Will MD Survive?
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While this is absolutely true, I find it {humorous/ironic/something} that
one of the big sticking points for MDs initial acceptance as a medium was
that it wasn't "truly CD quality" (esp. ATRACT v1.0). So many mags were
like "yeah, MD is cool and all, but the quality isn't quite there."
Meanwhile, even the very first MD is lightyears ahead of most MP3 quality.
It just goes to show that digitally downloading pirated songs is the "killer
app" -- not portability.
Jon Deutsch
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Sure, maybe to YOU and select audiophiles that really care about sound
quality.
But mass acceptance and becoming mainstream have very little
to do with
sound quality. MP3 would not be nearly as popular as it is
now if sound
quality was a significant factor. All my MP3 loving friends
KNOW MP3's
sound quality isn't as good as MD or CD. They don't care.
Not a single
one of them. "It's good enough for me", or "I can't tell the
If the average consumer asks an electronics store employee about a
product's sound quality, "Yes, it's pretty good" is usually an
acceptable answer.
--
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RE: MD: Will MD Survive?
=== = NB: Over 50% of this message is QUOTED, please = = be more selective when quoting text = === Dave brings up a very good point: MP3 players are purely tech-toys (at least at this point). It's the PalmPilot of music. I think that it will succeed as a portable computing device dedicated to music reproduction. This is quite different than CD or MD, which are portable music devices. Jon Deutsch http://midiservices.com http://midi.com http://theopinion.com -Original Message- From: Dave Helgerson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 24, 2000 2:09 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: MD: Will MD Survive? MP3 is hot because the internet is hot. I don't know anyone who has an MP3 player, so I can't get any first-hand info, but I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of people who buy one quit using it after a few weeks. Especially people who bought it as an audio device, vs. a computer toy. I could see hardcore computer users continuing to use them, but the person who is more an audio lover and not a computer lover might get frustrated pretty quickly by constantly having to download and transfer files. Does anyone else have a feel for the long-term satisfaction of MP3 users? - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: MP3 -- Am I the only one that hates it so?
In a message dated 1/24/00 11:09:39 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: /|\/|\ I think that a music medium shouldn't be so tied in to computers. /|\/| \ Oy, I hate mp3s. Well, not so much the *idea* of mp3s, but the people who love the format despite it's obvious shortcomings -- because it's just the 'hip new thing'. Many people mentioned on the "Will MD survive" thread that sound quality really doesn't matter with the average consumer. That's the problem -- it doesn't. And in the end, a $99 boombox wins out over $900 home theater setup. Cost also plays into it. So free mp3s off the net or from your CD will win out over much better quality MD (or DAT, even). I think MD can survive despite the mp3 onslaught. Many others have already hit upon the solution: marketing MD's strengths to as many people as possible - something the previous US MD ads just haven't done. MP3, being the new cool 'next thing' in the media, gets free advertising. (Free advertising being pointing out its strengths while ignoring its weaknesses.) MP3 players may win on cool factor for being so small and shock-resistant, but they lose out on every other single comparison point to MD or even CD, in my mind: You can't record without a PC; you can't do real time recordings, even on a super-fast PC; the music can't be edited; the media cost is too high... And the very last but not least point is that nagging lack of decent sound quality. Actually, it's first in my mind but last in everyone else's... If it were an issue, cassettes would have died out YEARS ago. Either that or even cheap walkmans would have Dolby S. :) But anyway, back to the subject. I don't like mp3's sound quality, or the fact it takes my computer about 25 minutes per song to encode an mp3... Or 25 minutes to download the file off the net. ;-) Not all of us can afford DSL and a Pentium III 800 MHz processor to speed things along. Plus, if I want to move a song from CD to an mp3, it's about 6 steps. From CD to MD, it's about 3. In the time it takes me to rip a song from CD and encode it, I could have recorded half the CD to MD, digitally. Maybe when there's a real-time mp3 encoder that integrates into my home stereo setup, that can encode @ 256 kbps stereo, *realtime*, on a storage medium that meets or exceeds 80 mins (and costs $4), then MD will die. But until mp3 surpasses the benefits of other consumer music 'units' like MD, DAT, CD-R and cassette, it will just remain the bain of techie nerd-types, gadget collectors and others who remained glued to these wonderful boxes we call computers. :) ~Zach http://start.at/cens - The Cutting Edge of Nothing Significant - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Will MD Survive?
MP3 is hot because the internet is hot. I don't know anyone who has an MP3 player, so I can't get any first-hand info, but I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of people who buy one quit using it after a few weeks. Especially people who bought it as an audio device, vs. a computer toy. I could see hardcore computer users continuing to use them, but the person who is more an audio lover and not a computer lover might get frustrated pretty quickly by constantly having to download and transfer files. Does anyone else have a feel for the long-term satisfaction of MP3 users? This is a very interesting idea that i was able to explore a while back. As a private contractor i had to place a very large order of computer components and i must have overspent enough because they didn't argue with me when i was done when i told them that they should throw in a rio because i spent so much. anyway after getting it i did a short review for www.upgradecenter.com on portable MD vs MP3 (the review is long gone from the site) anyway the rio just plain old sucks. It's laying around here somewhere and never gets used. there are just to many things wrong with it that i dont like, the sound of it sucks mainly. that and the fact that if you want more than 25 minutes of music on it that doesn't sound like AM radio in a tunnel you have to pay an outragous amount of money for mem for it. I'm not gonna go over everything here that i didn't like about it, that would take way t long. As for long term MP3, i feel that i will be one, but only listening to a song to see if i like it, if i do then i'll but the CD :) other than that i personally really dont like the format that much. I feel like when i come home and want my stero on, it's my stero that's on not a computer playing a bunch of music that sounds worse than FM most of the time. another thing if people complain 1 more time about not being able to listen to a variety of music and wanting a whole jukebox at home i'm gonna kill someone. I contend that it's that these people just dont have enough cd's or do not have a descent cd changer, even a 20 cd changer will give you enough music to last quite a long time, and with sony's 200 cd changer, if you run out of music listening to that, then there is something wrong, these people who have to have all thier cdr's filled with mp3's will never listen to all these, they are just 3l33t little warez dorks. sorry about that last little rant there. Later Matt - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: MD Blanks in Australian
For you aussies out there... As i mentioned just before, i'm new to this whole MD thing. I was wondering where you buy your MD blanks from?? The best price i've found anywhere was at a local computer... i paid $22.50 for a box of 5 TDK's ($4.50 each). There has to be better prices in the country doesn't there? Or is it best to get them over the net from the states or somewhere? Thanks, jason EOM NOTICE - This message contains information intended only for the use of the addressee named above. It may also be confidential and/or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that you must not disseminate, copy or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this message in error please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: MZ-R91 is the poo.
"Lynch, Jason JD" wrote: . I'd like to see Sony get off their bee-hinds and make the MD more popular. In the last 5 days, i've showed my MD to quite a few friends and they can't believe the thing. They all want one. I showed mine to friends and talked about it and even using two hands and two feet, I can't count the number of people that ran out and bought one because of mine. I have yet to hear any of them say they were disappointed with the format. But MP3 still rocks, i got over 8GB (along with VQF), hooked up to a few hundred watt hifi system, great for partys... i don't see why MD and MP3 should "compete". Did you ever try to make your own MP3? You gotta record analog to minidisc, transfer it to computer, anduse a program like CoolEdit to make the MP3 file. Here is my sample http://members.tripod.com/Liteways/index.html I couldn't have done it with out the MD recorder. -- Jim Coon mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] If Gibson made cars, would they sound so sweet? My first web page http://www.tir.com/~liteways - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: Attention Sony Marketing Department
I was showing someone my MD home deck the other day and they didn't know that it could *record*. They thought the format was playback only. I've said this before: does ANYONE at Sony READ this mailing list? I hereby invite them to REPLY ON THIS LIST! It would be comforting to know that they care about public opinion. Paul Kowtiuk - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Attention Sony Marketing Department
Paul Kowtiuk wrote: I was showing someone my MD home deck the other day and they didn't know that it could *record*. They thought the format was playback only. I've said this before: does ANYONE at Sony READ this mailing list? If they did, they would have gotten rid of the stupid END SEARCH button by now. Let's see, where did I put my flame retardant clothing? Jim Coon mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] If Gibson made cars, would they sound so sweet? My first web page http://www.tir.com/~liteways - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: MD Blanks in Australian
Hi Jason, Living in Sydney, I have found that there are not many places that sell discs at anything near a reasonable price. Your best bet if you want to buy locally is somewhere like JB HiFi. There are a couple of them about the country and they do have quite a good range. Altertanively, as you mentioned, buying them from the US is a good option. The thing to watch out for is the shipping charge. Places like Minidisco seem to charge an exorbitant amount to send out 20-30 discs to OZ. They are best used for larger $$$ orders. The best deal I found was about US$12 for 40 discs from Atlanta. (And that was for TDKs at about US$2.00 each.) Prices change so you need to look around. I have not bought blanks from the same place twice! Hope this helps, Vic. PS. Also try and get friends to bring you some back from their travels. They are small enough to throw 10-20 in a bag for you. And almost anywhere is cheaper than here! -Original Message- From: Lynch, Jason JD [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, 25 January 2000 1:09 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: MD: MD Blanks in Australian For you aussies out there... As i mentioned just before, i'm new to this whole MD thing. I was wondering where you buy your MD blanks from?? The best price i've found anywhere was at a local computer... i paid $22.50 for a box of 5 TDK's ($4.50 each). There has to be better prices in the country doesn't there? Or is it best to get them over the net from the states or somewhere? Thanks, jason EOM NOTICE - This message contains information intended only for the use of the addressee named above. It may also be confidential and/or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that you must not disseminate, copy or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this message in error please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: MP3 -- Am I the only one that hates it so?
To add something to this - UK's Radio 1 had a report earlier tonight (Monday) saying that vinyl was the fastest-growing format over here (may have been the only one with growth - can't remember the details), largely fuelled by young people buying dance music on 12s. Now it's a *real* hassle to MP3 them.. or just plug your MD in and slide that red switch over ;) -- Simon - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Will MD Survive?
Man. The way you guys talk about MDs vs. MP3s you'd figure it was a national crisis But hey, who am I to say? I'm about to throw my own 2 cents into the pool... I'm still using my R30 (just recorded a Broadway performance this past Sunday!) but I'm now in the market for a portable MP3 player. Why? Simplicity and portability. Oh, MD is portable allright. But it's time consuming and annoying as hell to make my own compilations each time I want to go on the road. I don't listen to the same songs every day of the year and a compilation I made two months ago isn't gonna cut it for this week. With the mp3 player, it's one device; the ultimate in rewritability and simplicity. No more shuffling MDs for "that one" compilation that I made yesterday or who knows when. On my desktop, I have a winamp playlist that changes content, oh, every week or every other week or so. And the songs included on the list aren't always my "newest acquisitions" either. Heck, sometimes there's nothing new on it either. I still remember the first time I researched MDs on the now "MD Community" page and reading Rick's comment about the future of portable audio and solid state equipments. Little did I suspect that it would come so fast. Sound quality? Yeah, MD sounds great. Heck, I'm still saving up for an R90 and an MD deck later on. But sound quality? For on the road listening? Hell, MP3s are good enough. With the bus/train/car/plane noise that exists when I "listen on the go," I can't worry about reproducing that one particular frequency of that one song with test tones in it. Yes, MP3 ties you to a computer. Most people who collect MP3s are heavy computer users. I currently share an apartment w/ another person and I've got my system in my room, which I spend a lot of time in. So computer... audio... VOILA! I'm not going to spend my money for a stereo set when I can use that money for something else (e.g., save up for that R90 and the MD deck!). At 22:04 01/24/00 , you wrote: enough music to last quite a long time, and with sony's 200 cd changer, if you run out of music listening to that, then there is something wrong, these people who have to have all thier cdr's filled with mp3's will never listen to all these, they are just 3l33t little warez dorks. I've seen people with over 500 CDs. What are they? Old geezers who'll never listen to all their classical music? I have yet to burn any of my MP3s to CDs because it defeats the whole purpose of having everything in one location... Albert - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: Attention Sony Marketing Department
I was showing someone my MD home deck the other day and they didn't know that it could *record*. They thought the format was playback only. I've said this before: does ANYONE at Sony READ this mailing list? I hereby invite them to REPLY ON THIS LIST! It would be comforting to know that they care about public opinion. Paul Kowtiuk If I had a pound for every time I've heard "but there's no need a replacement for CD", I'd have... ooh, enough for a MXD-D3 or something :) -- Simon - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: MZ-R91 is the poo.
Albert Tanone wrote: At 22:47 01/24/00 , you wrote: Did you ever try to make your own MP3? You gotta record analog to minidisc, transfer it to computer, anduse a program like CoolEdit to make the MP3 file. Here is my sample http://members.tripod.com/Liteways/index.html I couldn't have done it with out the MD recorder. Hmmm. My first reaction was go, "Pop in a CD, use Audiograbber (it's only $25!), take a coffee break, and run the mp3 encoder overnight." I think you missed the point. You can't record live music yourself and have it on CD. First you record it, then you play it back to a computer or CD burner from the recorder. THEN you can make an MP3 of it. -- Jim Coon mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] If Gibson made cars, would they sound so sweet? My first web page http://www.tir.com/~liteways - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
