RE: MD: Fw: Fw: Transferring MD to CD
Geez, you waste no time 3#-) I give a lot of attention to detail so spanning over 2 weeks, I usually take about a cumulative 4-14 hours of post-production work to come up with something I think sounds decent, depending on how difficult an environment the master was recorded in. But I agree with the methods you state. It's just that in my case, I don't just normalise after I EQ. I normalise first, then apply a hard limit (in most cases), and then I save the work. Takes some time to find the right flavour, but it's worth it. Adios, LarZ --- TAMA - The Strongest Name in Drums --- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Lynch, Jason JD Sent: Monday, 3 April 2000 9:24 To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject:RE: MD: Fw: Fw: Transferring MD to CD Heya, I was using Soundforge to break up live recordings into separate files then burn to disc but i've just started using a much quicker way which is quite easy. 1) Record MD to HDD using Soundforge. 2) Do any editting (such as EQ, fade ins/outs, and use the normalise feature to get the audio to maximum level) and save as a single wav file. 3) Use CDwav to open the file and place track markings with the mouse, then save a cuesheet. 4) Use CDRWin to burn a cuesheet to CD. For most recordings i reckon it takes me around 30 minutes to do (excluding MDHDD transfer) Jason - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: Fw: Fw: Transferring MD to CD
Umm, I hope we're not losing sight of the big picture here. Fact is, we use a high quality recording medium for a good reason 3#-) It's not about who can do the post-production quicker, but who can make it sound the best. Adios, LarZ --- TAMA - The Strongest Name in Drums --- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Magic Sent: Monday, 3 April 2000 9:40 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: MD: Fw: Fw: Transferring MD to CD Try WaveLab. 1) Record MD to HDD 2) Click "auto generate track marks for CD" from the "Markers" menu 3) From the "Dynamics" menu choose "Normalise to 98%" 5) From the File menu choose "Burn CD". Entire process - 4 minutes (excluding MD to HDD and burning CD). - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: Subject: Sony has seen the light!
this can be a good thing or bad thing. true, more of the quote "little ones" will have discovered the minidisc, but the price on minidisc will probably go up due to the popular demand. i also dont think other companies are going to spend as much money on minidisc technology than on mp3. ultimately, i feel that companies are going to raise their prices on minidisc equipment due to higher demand, and continue to develope and produce mp3 players at cheaper prices and better quality. it all depends on how u see the minidisc economy. alex - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Sony new minidisc at Minidisco
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone else seen the new Sony MXD-PCD3 ? I'd appreciate an opinion on it - how does it compare to the JB930 in terms of sound? I couldn't get a link to the Minidisco page to bookmark properly (kept taking me to the start page) so I've put a link in the Minidisc section of my home page. http://www.mattnet.freeserve.co.uk/minidisc/ Magic Hmm nice copyright message! Cheers, Ralph -- === Ralph SmeetsFunctional Verification Centre Of Competence - CMG Voice: (+33) (0)4 76 58 44 46 STMicroelectronics Fax:(+33) (0)4 76 58 40 11 5, chem de la Dhuy Mobile: (+33) (0)6 82 66 62 70 38240 MEYLAN E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] FRANCE === "For many years, mankind lived just like the animals. And then something happened that unleashed the powers of our imagination: We learned to talk." -- Stephen Hawking, later used by Pink Floyd -- === - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: MD vs DVD
Is it true that minidisc will not be able to compete when recordable DVD comes? Will it end up like DAT? how long will the market for minidisc lasts u wreckon? I don't know much about recordable audio DVD, will it have a TOC structure that allows MD-like editing features? It seems the smallest size DVD will be 80mm. If it is also unprotected (i.e. not enclosed in a cartridge), it will be a poor competitor to MD at least in terms of portability. Rick For what it's worth, I don't see a market for audio DVD products at all. The vast majority of people have an audio setup worth less than $1000, so would see very little (if any improvement) over a well-masterered CD. Thus it's a bit of an audiophile niche market, which is pretty small and thus debatable as to whether record companies will bother releasing on the format. Even if someone buys themselves a home DVD-A player and there's actually plenty of albums available, what happens to their existing CD players? Personally, I have about 10 CD-based devices (from my hifi to my discman to the boombox in the kitchen) - I don't see many people being happy about buying music that will only play on the one device they own. That's one of the big advantages of SACD - the format allows a CD layer to be created, so it'll work as a regualar audio CD as well as a SACD in the right equipment. Add to this the industry's paranoia over copying (especially after deCSS for video DVD), which will probably mean players will ship without digital outputs for home recording - or the high-end DACs that audiophiles tend to own already. CD got to the position where it is now by offering a huge improvement in convenience (over vinyl/tape), and provided very good results even on low-end equipment. DVD as a movie format is really taking off for the same reason. DAT ended up where it is because it was too expensive, didn't offer enough extra convenience over existing formats and the quality improvement wasn't that important to most people. I see DVD-A and SACD going the same way. MD's got a bright future. While everything else gets more and more crippled by restrictions on digital copying (SDMI and other schemes), we'll just hook up our MDs to the analogue output and have a great copy. We might even see more converts from the MP3 player crowd when they realise that flash memory won't get significantly cheaper anytime soon. :) MD players and recorders are cheap, more and more bookshelf systems come with MD, you can pick up an in-car player for under 150ukp, the media costs less than a pound each, and innovations like the Sony MXD-D3 4x copier are really pushing the convenience angle. MD is simply the best way to record anything - and I don't see any upcoming formats coming close to the convenience, size or editability of our little square discs. -- Simon - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: MD Data
New question. Does anybody have any Sony MD Data device (MDH-10, MDM111, etc..)? Please let me know. Thanks, eD - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: Accesories
Does anyone know where to get accesories for the Sony MZ-R55? My remote is all messed up, and I sat on the player/recorder so the battery back thing broke :-P I'd like to get a new one. I called them, and they told me to email them..I emailed them, and they told me to check out 800.com and some European site. But, to no avail. Does anyone have any better info on how to obtain accesories? --Floss - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: coax vs toslink...
I think the purists prefer coax to toslink because the slight timing ambiguity instroduced by the multi-mode fiber can't pass their pico-second jitter specs. However, jitter is only important when driving a DAC, and every "good" DAC has a sophisticated timing recovery circuit in the receiver. If everything works as it should there is NO difference in the signal delivered to the DAC. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: coax vs toslink...
From: Timothy P. Stockman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 03, 2000 10:18 PM Subject: MD: coax vs toslink... I think the purists prefer coax to toslink because the slight timing ambiguity instroduced by the multi-mode fiber can't pass their pico-second jitter specs. However, jitter is only important when driving a DAC, and every "good" DAC has a sophisticated timing recovery circuit in the receiver. If everything works as it should there is NO difference in the signal delivered to the DAC. I prefer coax because I can get about 100m of it for £10. I can't even get 1m of optic for £10. Magic -- "Creativity is more a birthright than an acquisition, and the power of sound is wisdom and understanding applied to the power of vibration." Location : Portsmouth, England, UK Homepage : http://www.mattnet.freeserve.co.uk EMail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: MD vs DVD
For what it's worth, I don't see a market for audio DVD products at all. The vast majority of people have an audio setup worth less than $1000, so would see very little (if any improvement) over a well-masterered CD. Thus it's a bit of an audiophile niche market, which is pretty small and thus debatable as to whether record companies will bother releasing on the format. Most Cds available these days are not well mastered, there is inherent clipping and loads of compression on them to make them sound "Loud" like a shitty FM station. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Fw: Fw: Transferring MD to CD
From: Tony Antoniou [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 03, 2000 7:29 AM Subject: RE: MD: Fw: Fw: Transferring MD to CD Umm, I hope we're not losing sight of the big picture here. Fact is, we use a high quality recording medium for a good reason 3#-) It's not about who can do the post-production quicker, but who can make it sound the best. I often get the mix just right direct from live source to MD, so I don't need to adjust the EQ much if at all. All that usually needs to be done is to boost the volume. I deliberately record low so that if I get sudden dynamics occurring on stage they don't get clipped. It's also nice to run off a virtually untouched copy of the original onto CD as a WAV file before I do any production editing because that means I have a backup I can restore if I make a mess of the editing. It's far easier to recover 74 mins from a CD in about 5 mins than to re-record the MD to the hard disc again. Magic -- "Creativity is more a birthright than an acquisition, and the power of sound is wisdom and understanding applied to the power of vibration." Location : Portsmouth, England, UK Homepage : http://www.mattnet.freeserve.co.uk EMail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: MD Data
Yes I think there are a few people on this list with mdh-10's is that all you wanted to know??? -Jeffrey -- The day MS makes something that doesn't suck will be the day they start making vacuum cleaners. On Mon, 3 Apr 2000, Edward Foster wrote: New question. Does anybody have any Sony MD Data device (MDH-10, MDM111, etc..)? Please let me know. Thanks, eD - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: md-l-digest V2 #587
It depends on what you want to believe. If you choose to believe the laws of physics, numerous scientists, electricians, audio experts (ie - the people that design the equipment), countless real-world test done by professional people both in the electronics and audio fields and countless others. you will believe that it makes no difference. If you choose to believe the audiophile who is getting a pay-packet from the companies running adverts for their latest audio technology which is probably optical cabling in that issue, you will believe that coax gives inferior bass. I know who I believe. I choose to believe my ears - if one sounds better to you - then use it happily - do not worry about the theory or hype. Bits are not just bits, just as CD is not "perfect sound forever" Steve - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: coax v. toslink
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Romain Kang) on Mon, 03 Apr 2000 | Comparing coaxial and Toslink, there is actually a measurable | difference between what you get at the other end of the line. The | archives of rec.audio.pro have discussions of this phenomenon, though | it's been a number of years since I've kept up with this subject. If it were an analog signal, it would matter. But whether a "1" has an intensity of X or several times X does not change its value one bit :). | The issue is "transport jitter", where the timing between the bits | varies by some amount (in the range of 5 to 500 picoseconds, if memory | serves). Which is compensated by the error correction inherent in the protocol and the data buffering in the receiver. A string of 16 bits is a string of 16 bits, period. In other words, the "audiophiles" are hearing what they want to hear, not what is really getting to their ears. -- Rat [EMAIL PROTECTED]\ Ingredients of Happy Fun Ball include an Minion of Nathan - Nathan says Hi! \ unknown glowing substance which fell to PGP Key: at a key server near you! \ Earth, presumably from outer space. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Subject: Sony has seen the light!
I disagree 100% on companies raising the price on MD players. Competition 99.9% always decreases the cost of items. Unless someone at diamond and all the rest of the MP3 producting players decide to go crazy and raise thier prices to $400 and idiots still buy them, prices will drop. This is evident by the cost of the R55 lately. Look at JR it's around ~$160 now. IMO this is a pretty descent unit, i have one and am very pleased with it. when it came out it was around $350 at best buy, now you can get it for $250 there and a lot less on the internet. I'm glad the medium is getting more popular, and i'm sure that prices will drop. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 03, 2000 2:32 AM Subject: MD: Subject: Sony has seen the light! this can be a good thing or bad thing. true, more of the quote "little ones" will have discovered the minidisc, but the price on minidisc will probably go up due to the popular demand. i also dont think other companies are going to spend as much money on minidisc technology than on mp3. ultimately, i feel that companies are going to raise their prices on minidisc equipment due to higher demand, and continue to develope and produce mp3 players at cheaper prices and better quality. it all depends on how u see the minidisc economy. alex - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Fw: Fw: Transferring MD to CD
Note to everyone out there looking at using Wavelab. I used to use it and was very pleased with it. At the time i also used adapted products. It seems a while back (i stopped using wavelab so i'm not sure which revision they did this in) they decided to use thier own aspi layer. Now those of you out there who use cdr's know the problems that you have between Adaptec's aspi layer and Nero's Aspi layer, well i experienced this when Wavelab decided to user thier own layer. So if you use adaptec app's and Wavelab and experience funky lockup's etc... try uninstalling wavelab and see if that helps. - Original Message - From: Tony Antoniou [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 03, 2000 1:29 AM Subject: RE: MD: Fw: Fw: Transferring MD to CD Umm, I hope we're not losing sight of the big picture here. Fact is, we use a high quality recording medium for a good reason 3#-) It's not about who can do the post-production quicker, but who can make it sound the best. Adios, LarZ --- TAMA - The Strongest Name in Drums --- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Magic Sent: Monday, 3 April 2000 9:40 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: MD: Fw: Fw: Transferring MD to CD Try WaveLab. 1) Record MD to HDD 2) Click "auto generate track marks for CD" from the "Markers" menu 3) From the "Dynamics" menu choose "Normalise to 98%" 5) From the File menu choose "Burn CD". Entire process - 4 minutes (excluding MD to HDD and burning CD). - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Subject: Sony has seen the light!
Of course large companies can be very dumb... but if they really understand this market supply/demand thing, I don't think they'll want to raise the prices. I'd forgotten what it's called, but in marketing, there's one strategy in which you keep the prices up until the demand really drops significantly. This way, the people who don't want to wait for price drop will pay the higher price, and then everyone else buys after the price drop. I used to live in Thailand, where Sony and Sharp basically offers what they offer in the US. Remember approximately 37 Thai Baht is 1 US dollar, so: Sony had kept MD-related things very expensive. One color collection blank was like 200-300 Baht, the MZ-E35 cost 13000 Baht. But after several months, Sony cut the prices, so that one blank goes at 99 Baht, and the E35 sells for between 6-7000 Baht. The R55 also used to be expensive, but dropped to about 1 Baht. The price never went up again even with newer models replacing the old ones. I think Sony knew that keeping the price up didn't work. Also - at least in Japan - the companies now recognize 2 yen (street price, not MSRP) as a crucial mark. Models that cut below 2 yen sell fairly well, like the JVC XM-PX3. JVC said those are mostly bought by primary and junior high kids. :) And remember, in Japan you can get Sharp/Sony/Panasonic boomboxes usually for less than their portable recorders. If I buy a Panasonic MDX5, I get digital dubbing without the cable hassle, I get the new HDES chip, I get a remote with a keypad, plus I get two speakers, for less than what I'd pay on a MR100. Leon this can be a good thing or bad thing. true, more of the quote "little ones" will have discovered the minidisc, but the price on minidisc will probably go up due to the popular demand. i also dont think other companies are going to spend as much money on minidisc technology than on mp3. ultimately, i feel that companies are going to raise their prices on minidisc equipment due to higher demand, and continue to develope and produce mp3 players at cheaper prices and better quality. it all depends on how u see the minidisc economy. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Subject: Sony has seen the light!
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: this can be a good thing or bad thing. true, more of the quote "little ones" will have discovered the minidisc, but the price on minidisc will probably go up due to the popular demand. Huh... I've got into minidisc about 2.5 years ago! Then it was still quite expenesive: 1) the equipment costed the same as now, but with less functionality 2) the blanks where about 3 times more expensive i also dont think other companies are going to spend as much money on minidisc technology than on mp3. I can't think of ONE respectable audio company that is into MP3. I can come up with a dozen that are into MD. ultimately, i feel that companies are going to raise their prices on minidisc equipment due to higher demand, and continue to develope and produce mp3 players at cheaper prices and better quality. it all depends on how u see the minidisc economy. alex Nope, I think most of them will folow Sony and Sharps example. Take a good oldie, like the MZ-R30 or Sharp 702 and sell them cheap. (Sony however did redesign the 'exterior' and renamed their MZ-R35. In order to reduce the cost more, they made the outside out of plastic, hence the MZ-R37). Most soundcard manufacturers start making soundcards with a optical out. It's in most cases promoted as 'minidisc compatible'. I see that more and more people start using MD to record their MP3s. why? simple: 1) MP3 players cost the same as MD portable recorders. The media however is much more cheaper for MDs 2) You don't have to keep your audio-files on the hardisk. 3) You don't have to rip a CD to harddisk and transfer it to your player. You can do it straight to the MD recorder. Thus your PC keeps open for other busines! Cheers, Ralph -- === Ralph SmeetsFunctional Verification Centre Of Competence - CMG Voice: (+33) (0)4 76 58 44 46 STMicroelectronics Fax:(+33) (0)4 76 58 40 11 5, chem de la Dhuy Mobile: (+33) (0)6 82 66 62 70 38240 MEYLAN E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] FRANCE === "For many years, mankind lived just like the animals. And then something happened that unleashed the powers of our imagination: We learned to talk." -- Stephen Hawking, later used by Pink Floyd -- === - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: MD Data
I'm looking for NT drivers thats all. I thought that maybe the people who own them might have some. Thanks eD - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: coax vs toslink...
* "Magic" [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Mon, 03 Apr 2000 | I prefer coax because I can get about 100m of it for £10. I can't even get | 1m of optic for £10. That's probably the best reason to prefer one over the other. -- Rat [EMAIL PROTECTED]\ Ingredients of Happy Fun Ball include an Minion of Nathan - Nathan says Hi! \ unknown glowing substance which fell to PGP Key: at a key server near you! \ Earth, presumably from outer space. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: MD Data
=== = NB: Over 50% of this message is QUOTED, please = = be more selective when quoting text = === Where can I get one? ( or get complete info on existing models that I could buy used). Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes I think there are a few people on this list with mdh-10's is that all you wanted to know??? -Jeffrey -- The day MS makes something that doesn't suck will be the day they start making vacuum cleaners. On Mon, 3 Apr 2000, Edward Foster wrote: New question. Does anybody have any Sony MD Data device (MDH-10, MDM111, etc..)? Please let me know. Thanks, eD - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
