MD: minidisc vs ???
Aparently, there is yet another portable music player, Iomega's ZIP, just in time for the Christmas buying season. I've seen more TV ads for it in the past few days than I've seen for minidisc in *years*. The ad points out the high cost of solid state media, although the ZIP media is still much more expensive than minidisc! Clearly, the ZIP players are the *least* technologically sophisticated, however, the ads protray them as *sexy*. I was just at Best Buy (Oxford Valley PA near Philadelphia) this evening. I really had to look hard to find their minidisc equipment; it was buried under an avalanche of Philips and RCA audio CD recorders. To their credit, they did have a couple JE440's in boxes, but none on display. They had an MZ-R70 and MXD-D5C on display. The MD/CDR audio equpiment was next to a bunch of bookshelf systems playing (rather loudly) a commercial radio station with really bad audio quality. This same store had a whole aisle of MP3 players with an MP3 information kiosk display at the end of the aisle. I guess marketing's perception is the MP3 is *sexy* and MD is not. So far as blank media, they had lots of CDR and CDR audio (a whole aisle plus some advertised specials in racks sitting in the middle of the floor), but virtually no MD, blank or pre-recorded. This last comment is a little off topic, but while I was in the store, I noticed that the lone Sony HDTV was almost buried beneath all the SDTV sets claiming to have "HD capable" monitors. "HD capable" looks to be a marketing ploy, because they only support a few of the HD resolutions. It seems that the Philadelphia area would be one of the prime locations to sell HDTV, because we've had 4 on-air HDTV stations for over 2 years! - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: minidisc vs ???
=== = NB: Over 50% of this message is QUOTED, please = = be more selective when quoting text = === [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Aparently, there is yet another portable music player, Iomega's ZIP, just in time for the Christmas buying season. I've seen more TV ads for it in the past few days than I've seen for minidisc in *years*. The ad points out the high cost of solid state media, although the ZIP media is still much more expensive than minidisc! Clearly, the ZIP players are the *least* technologically sophisticated, however, the ads protray them as *sexy*. So you will be able to listen to your crappy MP3 music until you hear the "Click of Death" that zip drives suffer from. Ha... - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Speeding
"J. van de Griek" wrote: You didn;t see that noted because it's hogwash. Burn your audio CD's as fast as you want, your CD player will still play them at 1x speed, since that's what it's designed to do. That's right. I wonder where Mike got that one from? I think that he has either MP3 files or something mixed up with standard audio wave files. All CD players can read standard CDs (which are "virtual" files-if you ever check a standard audio file is registers on Windows Explorer as being 1 KB) and wave files. But either way the information is digital. It doesn't matter how fast you get the ones and zeros there. Larry - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Speeding
Jeanmougin wrote: I tought that when you burnt a CDR at speeds over 1x or 2x, u had more read errors. Not if your equipment can handle the speed. Larry - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: Speeding - close CD
I don't think it matters on how fast you burn the CD. If you want your audio CD to be playable by other stereo or boombox, you will have to choose the option "close disc" in your CD burning software. If you don't close the disc, you can make changes but only computer CDrom can read your disc as music CD. Usually, the default option is "close session". You will need to choose "close disc". "J. van de Griek" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jeanmougin schrieb: I tought that when you burnt a CDR at speeds over 1x or 2x, u had more read errors. Well, that would be a problem with the CD burner, not with the player. If the burning device is of mediocre quality, or the media isn't all that, chances of burn errors or poorly readable result discs are higher. And that is probably what the originator of this thread meant. So, in that case, just try it out a couple of times, and if there's no problem, there's no problem! ,xtG .tsooJ -- Joost van de Griek Applications Developer Yacht ICT http://www.yachtgroup.com/ - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.amexmail.com/?A=1 - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Speeding
That is more like due to a problem in the media or the player not the burner... Btw, I am new to the list...just saying "Sup!?!" :) - Original Message - From: "Mike Burger" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 9:10 AM Subject: Re: MD: Speeding Wish I could concur...I have a Ricoh 2x burner, and when I burned my audio CDs at 2x, my Pioneer CD player wouldn't play them. My other CD-ROMS would read them just fine, but my regular audio equipment would not. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Speeding
Mike Burger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where I "got that one from" was experience...I burned a couple of audio CDs (copying an audio CD in my CD-ROM drive to a CD-R in my burner) at 2x (maximum speed of my burner), and my Pioneer 6-disc changer in the next room could not play the CD. Any CD-ROM in the house could (and I have a number of systems to choose from in that regard), but no CD player. When I burned new copies of the same CDs at 1x, they worked fine in any CD *player* I own, as well as the various CD-ROM drives. That's simply because data drives have a higher tolerance for errors than audio drives. The speed you burn at is irrelevant -- if it were possible, you could burn at 100x and as long as the errors were minimal it would play on an audio CD player just fine. The above scenario means that your burner had too many errors at 2x but far fewer at 1x. CD's pressed by the standard CD manufacturing process are just that -- pressed. They have physical pits on the surface of the disk that create lighter or darker segments that reflect the laser pickup differently. On "burned" CDs, there are none of these surface variations. The burner simply... uh... "burns" the media so that it appears to be darker or lighter. This provides similar reflective properties, but it isn't as effective as pressed media. One reason audio players are so bad at error-correction is that they were all designed for production-grade audio CDs. Audio players' error tolerance is designed with the "normal" error rate of "pressed" CD assumed. When you put in a burned CD, which has far more errors, the audio player often has trouble. This is also a good way to test the error-correction of your various audio players ;) I suspect that this will be less of a problem in future audio players -- now that CD burners are more common, my guess is that audio player manufacturers are going to be improving the level of error correction on their players. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: md-l-digest V2 #804
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 14:34:35 +0100 From: "J. van de Griek" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: MD: Speeding Mike Burger wrote: The one thing that I didn't see noted, yet, is that if you're burning CDs for use in regular CD players, it doesn't matter how fast your burner can run...you still need to burn the CD at 1x for a regular CD player to read them. You didn;t see that noted because it's hogwash. Burn your audio CD's as fast as you want, your CD player will still play them at 1x speed, since that's what it's designed to do. It's like that old joke, I'm typing this message very slowly because I know you can't read very fast. For what it's worth, I have a Plextor 8/2/20 that I had some problems with using 8x. The discs might or might not be readable in my JVC KDMX3000, CHX1200, or Sony DVP C600D, and I had to back down to 4x or 2x writes for reliability. But that was using a cheap spindle of silver CD blanks. I ordered some Mitsui blanks certified for 10x recording, and now I can record at 8x without any problems, the discs are readable by all my players. -- Howard Chu Chief Architect, Symas Corp. Director, Highland Sun http://www.symas.com http://highlandsun.com/hyc - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: minidisc vs ???
We've had a little bit of a similar discussion, in weeks past. G However... On Sun, 5 Nov 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Aparently, there is yet another portable music player, Iomega's ZIP, just in time for the Christmas buying season. I've seen more TV ads for it in the past few days than I've seen for minidisc in *years*. The ad points out the high cost of solid state media, although the ZIP media is still much more expensive than minidisc! Clearly, the ZIP players are the *least* technologically sophisticated, however, the ads protray them as *sexy*. I've been asked about them, actually...and I pointed people at MD, instead, citing the less expensive media costs, etc. I was just at Best Buy (Oxford Valley PA near Philadelphia) this evening. I really had to look hard to find their minidisc equipment; it was buried under an avalanche of Philips and RCA audio CD recorders. To their credit, they did have a couple JE440's in boxes, but none on display. They had an MZ-R70 and MXD-D5C on display. The MD/CDR audio equpiment was next to a bunch of bookshelf systems playing (rather loudly) a commercial radio station with really bad audio quality. This same store had a whole aisle of MP3 players with an MP3 information kiosk display at the end of the aisle. I guess marketing's perception is the MP3 is *sexy* and MD is not. I live around the corner from the store you mention. While their selection has never been "great", they usually have 2 - 4 of the portable units on display, too...one or two Sony units, the Sharp MD-MT15, and one by a company...Audio something or other. They're usually out in their own display, though, not buried under anything. So far as blank media, they had lots of CDR and CDR audio (a whole aisle plus some advertised specials in racks sitting in the middle of the floor), but virtually no MD, blank or pre-recorded. This is true...I've never seen either blank or recorded MDs in that store, and I've been looking since I got 8my* MT15 in the spring. FWIW, the Circuit City around the corner from this BB, just off the corner of Oxford Valley Road and Business 1, has a few portables, at least 2 decks, and might have some boombox units, too. They also sell blanks, and I TOSlink cables, as well. The only thing I don't think they carry are pre-recorded MDs. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: CD burners - standalones
THis is from another list but I thought people might be intersted in it. David's Top Ten List "Why computer based burners are the only way to go" For starters it allows for more flexibility and options than just plugging a tape or record unit in the back of italso there are no codes to worry about during duplicatingwhich I had a hell of a time dealing with this weekend because my copy came from a standalone unit. 1. Disc are cheaper 2. computer units are cheaper and more effective than standalone units. 3. you can use EAC (a free software) to make exact digital copies of a master recording (this is an extraction process) and it ensures you get the same product that was given to you. Standalones do not have software that check and recheck the extraction of a disk to the small hard drive that is inside those things and sometimes digipops occur from such units... computer (without EAC) and standalones...like those less than $600...so a $200 computer based burner with free software ensures against digipops...why pay $600 for something that can be had for $200. 4. you can download SHN files all over the placeany file for that matter (think Backup)...check www.etree.org 5. uncompress these SHN's into wav files and burn a CDtry downloading to a standalone unit (is it even possible)...you thought MP3 were the equivalent to the Music GodsSHN's are the God's of Music Gods 6. Say you want to edit a wave file.yap you can do that tolike removing hiss and cracks from OLD records and tapes you might want to catalog or archive...(free software again...included in the EAC program and I think Goldwave also). 7. With a descent sized hard drive you can store these shows and burn a number of copies seamlessly. 8. Did I mention that you can plug any stereo unit into your computer (just get an adapter) this includes mixing boards, full size stereos, VHS machines, Reel to Reel, mini disc, DATyou name it...just buy the adapter and record to your harddrive. and did I mention that you can edit and master that material. 9. When involved in a tree...you will not be put at the end of it or in a separate branch (because you have a standalone). 10. Anyone who is dumb about computers can use a computer based unit look at meI am as stupid as it gets when computers are the topic of discussion...I have a hard time reading "Computers of Idiot" books... There are more reasonsbut a computer based burner fits every application a standalone does and much much much more - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Speeding
I use Easy CD Creator, and I have to decide if it will be a data CD or an audio CD that will play on any Cd player before I start the recording. Mike Burger wrote: The procedure for copying my audio CDs is no different the than the procedure for burning my data CDs...copy the tracks from the source CD to the target CD, click the burn button, click the finalize button, and voila...she is done. -- Jim Coon Not just another pretty mandolin picker. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] If Gibson made cars, would they sound so sweet? My first web page http://www.tir.com/~liteways - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: speaker wattage and headphone output
THe sound quality will be the same. You aren't going to over drive either one. Now if you wanted to crank the sucker up and shake the windows and have the whole neighborhood on your neck it might be a different story. 30 watts per channel will be a 3 db increase in the sound level... Or just enough for you to hear the you turned it louder. You won't be operating anywhere near that. You will be in a linear portion of the output and it will make no difference. THe salesman probably just gets a bigger commission on the other one, and he wants to sound like he knows more than you do. Sales Hype. "David W. Tamkin" wrote: My minisystem, which I rely on for tuner input to MD, bit the dust and needs to be replaced. I'm waffling between two models of Aiwa's NSX-AJ series: the NSX-AJ14 has 15W per channel, while the NSX-AJ17 has 30W but costs more. (Exactly how much more I'm still trying to determine, because there's a rebate on the 14 and I can't find out whether it appplies to the 17.) I bought a 14 but thought of these things on the way home, so it's still sealed in its carton. The deceased system had only 5W per channel, but it was more than loud enough for my bedroom, and I'm far past the age when one wants one's sound system to shake the walls. A salesperson at Circuit City told me that higher wattages improve quality (whatever exactly that means), not just potential volume. But I'd be recording to MD from the headphone jack, not the speaker connec- tions; do wattage differences affect the headphone output? If not, I might as well keep the 14. If so, I can try the 14 to see if its headphone output is loud enough, but what about this "quality" issue? Any applicable advice will be appreciated. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Jim Coon Not just another pretty mandolin picker. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] If Gibson made cars, would they sound so sweet? My first web page http://www.tir.com/~liteways - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: Sony R30, LIP!@ battery
Anyone know where to get a LiIOn battery for a Sony R30? -- Jim Coon Not just another pretty mandolin picker. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] If Gibson made cars, would they sound so sweet? My first web page http://www.tir.com/~liteways - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Speeding
Where I "got that one from" was experience...I burned a couple of audio CDs (copying an audio CD in my CD-ROM drive to a CD-R in my burner) at 2x (maximum speed of my burner), and my Pioneer 6-disc changer in the next room could not play the CD. Any CD-ROM in the house could (and I have a number of systems to choose from in that regard), but no CD player. Well that's strange. No offense, but either your CD burner sucks, your CD players suck, or you didn't close the disc. I have burned audio CDs at 12x and had no problem playing them =) JT - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: [Re: Speeding]
On 6 Nov 2000, at 11:08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I used to have the same burner but on IDE device. It works fine. I can burn audio CD in 6X and playbale on home stereo. For the person who can't burn audio CDs... are you sure you are burning them as CDDA, and not large AIFF or WAV files? If you are sick of buffer under, you can buy a TDK or Plextor burner that has BURN-proof. No more buffer underrun. Caveat Emptor: The TDK is just a repackaged Plextor. I have the Plextor, and it works great. Don't buy the TDK unless you feel like paying $40 more. The Burn-Proof is really great; a friend of mine burned a CD while he was hosting a Half-Life multiplayer game and it came out fine :) What software you use? Adaptec EZCD Creator? If so, try the "disc-at-once" option. I will close the disc and you won't get a 2 seconds gap in between tracks. it's especially good for live concert type of music. and also, it will ensure your disc will be "closed" IMO, EZ CD Creator is probably the worst CD burning software you can get. It won't even run on my system (installs fine though). I use Nero ( www.ahead.de ), a bit more complicated but vastly superior, IMO. -- JT - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Speeding
It's digital. As long as there are ones and zeros to be read correctly, it will work. If it keeps getting coasters at 6x, you have a problem. If not, you are ok. PrinceGaz wrote: I've finally replaced my Creative Labs CD burner with a drive which actually works, the Ricoh MP9060A which can burn CD-R at up to 6x. My question is, assuming the PC can get the data to the drive quick enough to avoid under-runs (which it can) is there any disadvantage to burning at 6x (the discs I have are rated for up to 8x burning) rather than 4x? -- Jim Coon Not just another pretty mandolin picker. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] If Gibson made cars, would they sound so sweet? My first web page http://www.tir.com/~liteways - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Speeding
* "J. Coon" [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Mon, 06 Nov 2000 | I think you are wrong on that. He is wrong on that. I burn at 4x-8x and play on several different CD players, no problems. -- Rat [EMAIL PROTECTED]\ Caution: Happy Fun Ball may suddenly Minion of Nathan - Nathan says Hi! \ accelerate to dangerous speeds. PGP Key: at a key server near you! \ - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Sony R30, LIP!@ battery
* "J. Coon" [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Mon, 06 Nov 2000 | Anyone know where to get a LiIOn battery for a Sony R30? From Sony. If your local Sony service center does not have them the can order them. Or you can order one yourself directly from Sony. -- Rat [EMAIL PROTECTED]\ Warning: pregnant women, the elderly, and Minion of Nathan - Nathan says Hi! \ children under 10 should avoid prolonged PGP Key: at a key server near you! \ exposure to Happy Fun Ball. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Speeding
=== = NB: Over 50% of this message is QUOTED, please = = be more selective when quoting text = === Wish I could concur...I have a Ricoh 2x burner, and when I burned my audio CDs at 2x, my Pioneer CD player wouldn't play them. My other CD-ROMS would read them just fine, but my regular audio equipment would not. On Mon, 6 Nov 2000, J. van de Griek wrote: Mike Burger wrote: The one thing that I didn't see noted, yet, is that if you're burning CDs for use in regular CD players, it doesn't matter how fast your burner can run...you still need to burn the CD at 1x for a regular CD player to read them. You didn;t see that noted because it's hogwash. Burn your audio CD's as fast as you want, your CD player will still play them at 1x speed, since that's what it's designed to do. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Speeding
On Mon, 6 Nov 2000, las wrote: "J. van de Griek" wrote: You didn;t see that noted because it's hogwash. Burn your audio CD's as fast as you want, your CD player will still play them at 1x speed, since that's what it's designed to do. That's right. I wonder where Mike got that one from? I think that he has either MP3 files or something mixed up with standard audio wave files. I don't burn MP3s to CD...waste of resources, IMO, since I don't have a CD player capable of playing MP3s...only standard CDs. Where I "got that one from" was experience...I burned a couple of audio CDs (copying an audio CD in my CD-ROM drive to a CD-R in my burner) at 2x (maximum speed of my burner), and my Pioneer 6-disc changer in the next room could not play the CD. Any CD-ROM in the house could (and I have a number of systems to choose from in that regard), but no CD player. When I burned new copies of the same CDs at 1x, they worked fine in any CD *player* I own, as well as the various CD-ROM drives. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Speeding
=== = NB: Over 50% of this message is QUOTED, please = = be more selective when quoting text = === The one thing that I didn't see noted, yet, is that if you're burning CDs for use in regular CD players, it doesn't matter how fast your burner can run...you still need to burn the CD at 1x for a regular CD player to read them. On Mon, 6 Nov 2000, J. Coon wrote: It's digital. As long as there are ones and zeros to be read correctly, it will work. If it keeps getting coasters at 6x, you have a problem. If not, you are ok. PrinceGaz wrote: I've finally replaced my Creative Labs CD burner with a drive which actually works, the Ricoh MP9060A which can burn CD-R at up to 6x. My question is, assuming the PC can get the data to the drive quick enough to avoid under-runs (which it can) is there any disadvantage to burning at 6x (the discs I have are rated for up to 8x burning) rather than 4x? - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Speeding
=== = NB: Over 50% of this message is QUOTED, please = = be more selective when quoting text = === I don't think it's necessarily a problem with either, to tell the truth...IU've had hte same thing happen with Verbatim, Memorex, Imation, and no-name CDs. Doesn't matter. On Mon, 6 Nov 2000, I Can Not Tell You wrote: That is more like due to a problem in the media or the player not the burner... Btw, I am new to the list...just saying "Sup!?!" :) - Original Message - From: "Mike Burger" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 9:10 AM Subject: Re: MD: Speeding Wish I could concur...I have a Ricoh 2x burner, and when I burned my audio CDs at 2x, my Pioneer CD player wouldn't play them. My other CD-ROMS would read them just fine, but my regular audio equipment would not. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Speeding
Mike Burger wrote: The one thing that I didn't see noted, yet, is that if you're burning CDs for use in regular CD players, it doesn't matter how fast your burner can run...you still need to burn the CD at 1x for a regular CD player to read them. You didn;t see that noted because it's hogwash. Burn your audio CD's as fast as you want, your CD player will still play them at 1x speed, since that's what it's designed to do. ,xtG .tsooJ -- Joost van de Griek Applications Developer Yacht ICT http://www.yachtgroup.com/ - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Speeding
=== = NB: Over 50% of this message is QUOTED, please = = be more selective when quoting text = === I tought that when you burnt a CDR at speeds over 1x or 2x, u had more read errors. "J. van de Griek" a *crit : Mike Burger wrote: The one thing that I didn't see noted, yet, is that if you're burning CDs for use in regular CD players, it doesn't matter how fast your burner can run...you still need to burn the CD at 1x for a regular CD player to read them. You didn;t see that noted because it's hogwash. Burn your audio CD's as fast as you want, your CD player will still play them at 1x speed, since that's what it's designed to do. ,xtG .tsooJ -- Joost van de Griek Applications Developer Yacht ICT http://www.yachtgroup.com/ - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Speeding
Jeanmougin schrieb: I tought that when you burnt a CDR at speeds over 1x or 2x, u had more read errors. Well, that would be a problem with the CD burner, not with the player. If the burning device is of mediocre quality, or the media isn't all that, chances of burn errors or poorly readable result discs are higher. And that is probably what the originator of this thread meant. So, in that case, just try it out a couple of times, and if there's no problem, there's no problem! ,xtG .tsooJ -- Joost van de Griek Applications Developer Yacht ICT http://www.yachtgroup.com/ - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Speeding
=== = NB: Over 50% of this message is QUOTED, please = = be more selective when quoting text = === EZ CD Creator 4.0 can actually support drag and drop MP3. It will be converted to wave file on the fly to burn to audio cd. - Original Message - From: "Nathan White" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 10:37 PM Subject: RE: MD: Speeding Larry wrote: Nate, I'm not sure if that is accurate. I believe that a CD player can also read wave files (if they can't then the wave files are somehow automatically converted because I copy wave files to CDRs all of the time and play them on regular CD players (you have to close the disc) Are you sure? That's news to me. Thanks for clearing that up. Maybe he is transferring his mp3 directly to the disc then. A long shot, but its possible. I assumed the wav files were automatically converted to *.cda, but I could be wrong. Later, Nathan White [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of las Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 11:19 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: MD: Speeding Nathan White wrote: You need to convert your audio files to *.cda (I think that's what it is) for CD players to be able to read it. That's probably why you can only play it in your cd-rom. Nate, I'm not sure if that is accurate. I believe that a CD player can also read wave files (if they can't then the wave files are somehow automatically converted because I copy wave files to CDRs all of the time and play them on regular CD players (you have to close the disc) Larry - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Speeding
The burner is a Ricoh 6200S, running on an Adaptec 2940U2W. The only issue I've ever seen, really, is what I've described, when it comes to this type of burn. Other than the obvious overrun/underrun which occasionally happens, no matter what software/burner/interface, etc you use, this is it. The procedure for copying my audio CDs is no different the than the procedure for burning my data CDs...copy the tracks from the source CD to the target CD, click the burn button, click the finalize button, and voila...she is done. Like I said, I can play them in my other systems' CD-ROMs, but not on my CD Player...shrug Whatever...it's not like the issue is going to be solved, anyway. I've stopped burning audio CDs, anyhow, since I got my MD recorder. On Mon, 6 Nov 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where I "got that one from" was experience...I burned a couple of audio CDs (copying an audio CD in my CD-ROM drive to a CD-R in my burner) at 2x (maximum speed of my burner), and my Pioneer 6-disc changer in the next room could not play the CD. Any CD-ROM in the house could (and I have a number of systems to choose from in that regard), but no CD player. Well that's strange. No offense, but either your CD burner sucks, your CD players suck, or you didn't close the disc. I have burned audio CDs at 12x and had no problem playing them =) - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: [Re: Speeding]
That might sound dumb. But just want to make sure. You burn audio CD to CD-R or CD-RW disc? Mike Burger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think it's necessarily a problem with either, to tell the truth...IU've had hte same thing happen with Verbatim, Memorex, Imation, and no-name CDs. Doesn't matter. On Mon, 6 Nov 2000, I Can Not Tell You wrote: That is more like due to a problem in the media or the player not the burner... Btw, I am new to the list...just saying "Sup!?!" :) - Original Message - From: "Mike Burger" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 9:10 AM Subject: Re: MD: Speeding Wish I could concur...I have a Ricoh 2x burner, and when I burned my audio CDs at 2x, my Pioneer CD player wouldn't play them. My other CD-ROMS would read them just fine, but my regular audio equipment would not. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.amexmail.com/?A=1 - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Speeding
=== The original message was multipart MIME=== === All non-text parts (attachments) have been removed === Hi I have been into recording for a long time, and in a perfect setting = with no burps of the software and with no quirks with the burner; speed = should not matter much. In reality though you will get a more accurate = copy with most drives at a slower speed. I routinely burn at 4X with no = troubles. The most important factor to consider is the blank you use. Unlike MD, = CDR media has a wide range of quality and not all will even be = recognized in a picky cd player. Look for blanks that are rated for 1X = recording; a 1X-12X blank usually is an excellent choice. Watch out for = 2X-8X or 4X-12X as a lot of these will have problems playing in some = boom box's or automotive deck's. High quality gear will usually play = and correct any flaws in the process but there are still many cheaper = units out there giving problems with the lower quality blanks which are = known to have error rates well above what the low end decks can correct. For more information regarding quality blanks, visit my website at = www.musicmixers.com/mall and click on the about CDR link. - Original Message -=20 From: "Mike Burger" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 7:23 AM Subject: Re: MD: Speeding On Mon, 6 Nov 2000, las wrote: =20 =20 "J. van de Griek" wrote: =20 You didn;t see that noted because it's hogwash. Burn your audio CD's as fast as you want, your CD player will = still play them at 1x speed, since that's what it's designed to do. That's right. I wonder where Mike got that one from? I think = that he has either MP3 files or something mixed up with standard audio wave = files. =20 I don't burn MP3s to CD...waste of resources, IMO, since I don't have = a=20 CD player capable of playing MP3s...only standard CDs. =20 Where I "got that one from" was experience...I burned a couple of = audio=20 CDs (copying an audio CD in my CD-ROM drive to a CD-R in my burner) at = 2x=20 (maximum speed of my burner), and my Pioneer 6-disc changer in the = next=20 room could not play the CD. Any CD-ROM in the house could (and I have = a=20 number of systems to choose from in that regard), but no CD player. =20 When I burned new copies of the same CDs at 1x, they worked fine in = any=20 CD *player* I own, as well as the various CD-ROM drives. =20 === MIME part removed : text/html; === - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: [Re: Speeding]
I used to have the same burner but on IDE device. It works fine. I can burn audio CD in 6X and playbale on home stereo. If you are sick of buffer under, you can buy a TDK or Plextor burner that has BURN-proof. No more buffer underrun. What software you use? Adaptec EZCD Creator? If so, try the "disc-at-once" option. I will close the disc and you won't get a 2 seconds gap in between tracks. it's especially good for live concert type of music. and also, it will ensure your disc will be "closed" I bought a plextor 12x/10x/32x... I love it! never have buffer underrun. Mike Burger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The burner is a Ricoh 6200S, running on an Adaptec 2940U2W. The only issue I've ever seen, really, is what I've described, when it comes to this type of burn. Other than the obvious overrun/underrun which occasionally happens, no matter what software/burner/interface, etc you use, this is it. The procedure for copying my audio CDs is no different the than the procedure for burning my data CDs...copy the tracks from the source CD to the target CD, click the burn button, click the finalize button, and voila...she is done. Like I said, I can play them in my other systems' CD-ROMs, but not on my CD Player...shrug Whatever...it's not like the issue is going to be solved, anyway. I've stopped burning audio CDs, anyhow, since I got my MD recorder. On Mon, 6 Nov 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where I "got that one from" was experience...I burned a couple of audio CDs (copying an audio CD in my CD-ROM drive to a CD-R in my burner) at 2x (maximum speed of my burner), and my Pioneer 6-disc changer in the next room could not play the CD. Any CD-ROM in the house could (and I have a number of systems to choose from in that regard), but no CD player. Well that's strange. No offense, but either your CD burner sucks, your CD players suck, or you didn't close the disc. I have burned audio CDs at 12x and had no problem playing them =) - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.amexmail.com/?A=1 - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Speeding
Nathan White wrote: You need to convert your audio files to *.cda (I think that's what it is) for CD players to be able to read it. That's probably why you can only play it in your cd-rom. Nate, I'm not sure if that is accurate. I believe that a CD player can also read wave files (if they can't then the wave files are somehow automatically converted because I copy wave files to CDRs all of the time and play them on regular CD players (you have to close the disc) Larry - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Speeding
yea...like i said the media _OR_ the player...many consumer entertaintment products...especially older ones dont have the laser that will recognize cdr/cdrw but the newer ones do...tho one thing i noticed is that sometimes blank audio cds are recognized but not at all times I don't think it's necessarily a problem with either, to tell the truth...IU've had hte same thing happen with Verbatim, Memorex, Imation, and no-name CDs. Doesn't matter. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Speeding
On 6 Nov 2000, at 9:39, Les@musicmixers wrote: The most important factor to consider is the blank you use. Unlike MD, CDR media has a wide range of quality and not all will even be recognized in a picky cd player. This cannot be stressed enough. Especially with CDRW's. And just because the maker is a large company does not mean they are good blanks. In my experience, TDK makes the best CDRW's (4x rated), but some of the worst CDRs (the aluminum layer tends to flake/peel off). A Sony 4x-rated CDRW I had got corrupted, and this has been reported by several other people too (check http://resource.simplenet.com ) -- JT - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Speeding
You need to convert your audio files to *.cda (I think that's what it is) for CD players to be able to read it. Nate, I'm not sure if that is accurate. I believe that a CD player can also read wave files (if they can't then the wave files are somehow automatically converted because I copy wave files to CDRs all of the time and play them on regular CD players (you have to close the disc) Neither of those are accurate. The *.cda files are a virtual filesystem Windows 9x imposes on CDs. There are no files on am audio CD, just 44.1KHz PCM audio data. The CD burning program converts the waves to that data when it burns the CD. Check out http://www.fadden.com/cdrfaq for more info. -- JT - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Tuner-less car MD players
Simon Mackay wrote: Why can't manufacturers work on car MD players that are designed like these earlier add-on CD and tape players. If they removed the tuner, they can sell these units for a lower price than the standard radio-MD units thar are sold nowadays. There are people out there who own good car audio equipment and wouldn't want to replace the existing head unit just to play MDs. From what I have noticed, Europe could be a good market to market these units because, from what I have heard, MD is gaining a foothold in that market. Pioneer has one, Sony has had a few. Most needed a head unit to control it though. Shawn 1stUp.com - Free the Web Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Speeding
=== = NB: Over 50% of this message is QUOTED, please = = be more selective when quoting text = === Mike Burger wrote: ..I burned a couple of audio CDs (copying an audio CD in my CD-ROM drive to a CD-R in my burner) at 2x (maximum speed of my burner), and my Pioneer 6-disc changer in the next room could not play the CD. Any CD-ROM in the house could (and I have a number of systems to choose from in that regard), but no CD player. When I burned new copies of the same CDs at 1x, they worked fine in any CD *player* I own, as well as the various CD-ROM drives. sounds like an equipment problem to me. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
