Re: MD: Recording quiet sounds with mic

2001-01-30 Thread J. Coon


Talk louder

Calvin Walker wrote:
 
 Hello All,
 
 I use my Sony MD MZ-55 to record voices softly speaking (poems etc.). No
 background noises. I find the noise of the pre-amp to be a real problem.
 At first, I thought it was the mic, but I changed it for a much better
 one and I still have the same problem. I have tried plugging the mic
 into the line-in/optical input. It's less noisey, but the level is too
 low (even using an audio module from Sound Professionals). Any ideas
 would be most welcome?
 
 regards,
 Calvin
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Re: MD: THX Certified?

2001-01-30 Thread Neil


On Mon, 29 Jan 2001 18:49:21 -0500 (EST), [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Please clarifyDon C. suggested that THX certified equipment has
  nothing to do with processing, but the certification is a set of
  guidelines required to achieve an " optimal" theatre sound. Then what
  exactly makes an audio receiver THX certified? And why suggest to the
  McIntosh amp owner to listen to the THX module before purchasing one and
  listen to the differences? 
  Is a THX certified receiver merely a marketing ploy,

I would say not merely - but I suspect there is something to that. It's a
standard, essentially.

  or is there
  actually an EQ applied,

Perhaps on some equipment, the use of certain modes (perhaps labelled as
THX) may well effect configurable parameters or controls on the equipment.

  or some other DSP application VS any other 5.1
  receiver? Seems to me there must be a difference in the processing
  somewhere? 

Why so?

Are you now seeing differing media with soundtracks that are THX specific?
Nope.

Some DVDs now include DD-EX, or dts-ES soundtracks. They may also be
mastered using a THX certified configuration, and when reproduced on THX
certified equipment, you can be truly sure you are getting your moneys worth
from your THX labelled equipment.

But as of yet, it doesn't present a difference in decoding. They may well
have been involved with Dolby in creating this new revision - seems almost
something to be expected.

In general, you'll tend to see DVDs with soundtracks that are usually either
Dobly Pro Logic, or some Dolby Digital derivative (1.0, 2.0, 3.0, 4.0, 5.1,
EX) or dts (possible ES) - none of which depend on THX equipment (per se)
for the reproduction of said soundtracks.

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Re: MD: THX Certified?

2001-01-30 Thread Francisco J. Huerta


Hi Larry,

Do you think the DTS mix (of Not Fragile) is the same as the Quad mix? I
think it sounds terrific!

Francisco.

 Going back to my Quadraphonic days, one thing that I can tell you, the
 difference between matrixed and discrete is a difference of night and day.
The
 best quadraphonic album I have had was a 4 channel reel to reel copy of
BTO's
 "Not Fragile".

 But the hiss really bothers me.  That's about the only thing that makes me
 tolerate digital over analog.  I hate hiss even more than what digital
 processing does to the sound.

 Larry


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Re: MD: THX Certified?

2001-01-30 Thread Stainless Steel Rat


* las [EMAIL PROTECTED]  on Mon, 29 Jan 2001
|  None of which is unique to THX-certified equipment.

| Individually.  But the combination is what gives it a uniqueness.

Not so.  The "uniqueness" is the certificate, not what is inside the box.
Like I said, THX means it passed a test; it does not mean it has something
exclusive.
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Re: MD: THX Certified?

2001-01-30 Thread Stainless Steel Rat


* "Don Capps" [EMAIL PROTECTED]  on Tue, 30 Jan 2001
| Timbre matching = special EQ settings used to correct for different speaker
| reproduction characteristics...

Which is functionally identical to special EQ settings used to achieve
certain types of simulated environments such as cathedral and auditorium.
"THX mode" is just another EQ preset.

| Decorrelation = uses out-of-phase information (in the rear surround
| channels) to give the illusion of a larger/broader rear soundstage
| (i.e. a "more open" sound)...only used when the rear channel information
| is a matrixed mono signal rather than discrete

Just a general FYI, a matrixed mono rear channel is a feature of Dolby
Surround and Dolby Pro Logic encoding.  "Uses out-of-phase information" is
a fancy way of saying "uses front stereo channels".  Decorreleation blends
sound from the front stereo channels back into the rear channel to give it
a larger sound field.

Dolby Digital and dts have discrete rear channels.  Decorrelation is
unnecessary for DD and dts.
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RE: MD: different cases for md's

2001-01-30 Thread james


In the UK Sony MDs come in these cases ("slip cases"). I like them best too,
which is why I always buy Sony MDs now!. If you do find out where to buy
them from, let me know.

Regards,
james

James Day
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Subject: MD: different cases for md's



Hello, I am wondering if someone can tell me the name of those cases where
the case just slides over the individual md? I like those better than the
hinged ones. The places for labels mean nothin to me since I am totally
blind, and I'll just put braille labels on the cases, but are the ones I
want just called slip cases, because you just slip the md in and out of the
case? Can I buy empty ones in bulk somewhere?
Thanks for any help.
Matthew

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RE: MD: Carver Fire

2001-01-30 Thread Alan Dowds


I though air got thinner (less dense) when it gets warm.

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Subject: MD: Carver Fire



Why would a stereo sound better with the fireplace lit? I suspect this
has nothing to do with the crackling sound of a fire. ( just fry your
speakers and you'll get all the crackle you want)
:-) But it has everything to do with the room temperature. This sound
improvement is very plausable, as the room gets warmer, the air
thickens, and higher frequencies tend to sound warmer as well. 
Try this in your cold car...turn your stereo up when the car is cold
and listen to a track. Turn the stereo off and allow the heater to warm
up the car and play the same track/ same volume. It will sound noticably
better.
Are you sure Carver was not adding " fireplace EQ" which would simulate
the audio tone of a warm room? Seems more plausable than adding sounds
of a crackling fire! If I heard such a thing I'd pull the plug out of
the wall and call 911! :-)Mark Dottle 

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MD: Unbalanced Pro format digital signal (DeepOptical question)

2001-01-30 Thread stories


LarZ wrote:
1) The input doesn't get resampled since there is a direct connection
between optical in and optical out. This is in accordance with the
schematic
diagram for my JA30ES, and I would imagine yours would be the same.

I'm assuming the 520's in's / out are going through some part oft the
DSP on account of
A. The Category code been changed to MD on the output
B. The output data format being consumer with a professional format
input.
(this is is "- DA" / monitor mode. Putting a disk in and hitting record
the data is passed back out
in pro format)

With a JE520 in "-AD" monitor mode (no disc in it)
It is resamplaing 32Khz  48Khz inputs to 44.1Khz for it's digital
output.
Will not output a 96Khz input signal.
Also using a 44.1Khz input to the 520, with a Level 1 +/- 50ppm clock
accuracy it's outputting
44.1Khz with a Level II +/- 1000ppm clock accuracy, along with adding
the MD category code, changing the SCMS status etc..
My thinking is that if the MD deck is changing the clock signal then the
signal is been resampled. (could be wrong here).
Weather this is going as far as the Atrac is still anyones guess.

When in Record pause or recording (with a disc in the deck)
The Input is been passed to the output without anything been changed.
96Khz signal is been passed through (output is 96Khz)
The clock is that from the input
Category code doesn't change to MD SCMS is the same etc




2) A pro format would be transmitted via 3-pin XLR connectors. I have
yet to
see an AES/EBU format transmitted along an optical medium. You sure
about
this?

David W. Tamkin wrote:
In what physical format is the AES/EBU signal coming into the 520,
Matt?  I
thought AES/EBU could be carried only over three-cord XLR cables.

Input was Optical.and yes I am quite sure!

The digi96/8 i'm using can send  receive the digital signal in several
formats, Consumer (what you find in S/P-DIFf connections), Professional
(what you find in AES/EBU), Adat (8 channel Adat interface) or Non audio
(AC-3 etc).

(I may not have worded that quite correctly as it's not "standard"
AES/EBU dew to the lack of balanced interconnects, but the data in the
signal is in the AES/EBU "pro" format,.  it was the easiest way of
putting it.).


Following taken from the Behringer DSP8024 user's Manual:


4.2.1 The AES/EBU and S/PDIF standards

Essentially, two standards exist for the transfer of digital audio data.
Their most important electrical specifica-
tions are summarized in Table 4.1. AES/EBU is a professional, balanced
connection using XLR connectors.
For semiprofessional users, Sony and Philips have opted against balanced
connections and use either cinch
connectors or optical waveguides. The process which was standardized as
IEC 958 and is generally known as
S/PDIF (Sony/Philips Digital Interface) became best known for the
associated efforts to introduce copy protec-
tion, however.
Unfortunately, the professional standard was soon watered down, as the
design of many units didn't provide
enough room for XLR connectors. Instead, stereo jacks, miniature jacks
and special adapters for sub-D con-
nectors were used.
In addition to the electrical differences, the formats also have a
slightly different structure. The audio informa-
tion occupies the same position in the data stream, making the two
formats compatible in principle. The
differences between the two standards can be found in the information
blocks. Table 4.2 shows a section of the
professional format data structure generally used in AES/EBU
connections.

As can be seen, there are major differences in the significance of the
following bits between the two formats. If
a device such as a commercially available DAT recorder only has a S/PDIF
input, the device will normally only
understand that format. Generally, it will switch off when receiving
professional-format data. The reason is
simple: As the illustrations show, a signal coded in professional format
would lead to copy-protection and
emphasis errors in a device only capable of processing the consumer
format!
As was already the case with the connectors, this point is often not
immediately obvious. Many units do not
switch off, others can process both formats despite having only a single
connector type, and still others are
simply faulty designs which refuse to work properly even when receiving
correct ID data.
The ULTRA-DYNE PRO can be equipped with an AES/EBU interface as an
option.

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www.behringer.de
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Re: MD: THX Certified?

2001-01-30 Thread las


Hi.

"Francisco J. Huerta" wrote:

 Do you think the DTS mix (of Not Fragile) is the same as the Quad mix? I
 think it sounds terrific!

 You have a dts mix of "Not Fragile"?  Where did you get it.  All I have is the
 plain old CD.

That is one great album.  Part of BTO became The Guess You I think.  That's when
when Burton Cummings went out on his own he did that slow version of "you ain't
seem nothing yet".  I think that he was kind of mocking the song though.

Larry

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Re: MD: Carver Fire

2001-01-30 Thread J. Coon


That is the way it works in conventional physics.  That is how a hot air
balloon rises, it is part of what makes the wind blow.  However, in the
field of audiophidialia, things are reversed. Usually based on the
latest issue of some magazine.  That is why you can easily tell the
difference between different brands of minidisc blanks.  The more
expensive ones always sound the best.   

So put away your intellect, what you were taught in elementary school,
high school physics and even what you learned at an institution of
higher learning.  What the heck do the learned professors know any way? 
Just go visit you local audio store and swallow the hook line and sinker
the salesman has for you and remember that "He has a HIGH SCHOOL
diploma",... and he gets a commission.

ROFL, and looking for my flash suit with eye protection, flame resistant
hood, jacket and bib overhauls.

Alan Dowds wrote:
 
 I though air got thinner (less dense) when it gets warm.
 

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MD: A Call to Experts

2001-01-30 Thread markaren


Thankyou Francisco for setting the record straight, and offering a link
that supports my layman's explanation. THX certified electronics  offer
" processing" in the way of EQ, and rear correlation as well. "
Processing" is being misunderstood as " steering" or " decoding" only!
EQ and delay qualify as " processing" parameters also. Why on earth
would MacIntosh offer a THX module that has no
"processing".absurd!
 Let's not rush to judgement that every poster is using terms they don't
understand. " Processing" is not limited to steering, but can include EQ
and delay as well.thus a THX receiver offers processing
differences that a standard Pro-Logic receiver may not. I simply tried
to explain how these differences applied.
 Mark Dottle 

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Re: MD: THX Certified?

2001-01-30 Thread Francisco J. Huerta


I think I got it either on kencranes.com or on the DTS web site. I would
definitely suggest Kencranes.com, since they are charging $7.50 LESS ($17.50
USD) for the copy.

And yes, it definitely is worth it...!

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 Hi.

 "Francisco J. Huerta" wrote:

  Do you think the DTS mix (of Not Fragile) is the same as the Quad mix? I
  think it sounds terrific!
 
  You have a dts mix of "Not Fragile"?  Where did you get it.  All I have
is the
  plain old CD.

 That is one great album.  Part of BTO became The Guess You I think.
That's when
 when Burton Cummings went out on his own he did that slow version of "you
ain't
 seem nothing yet".  I think that he was kind of mocking the song though.

 Larry

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Re: MD: what is an SACD?

2001-01-30 Thread pupu


Larry wrote:

 All those ones and zeros are just feeble attempts to simulate a wave.
 Maybe we have been going the wrong way.  All of this digital crap.
 maybe we should have been concentrating on ways to faithfully reproduce
 waves.

I couldn't agree more. All we need is some noiseless ultra-sensitive analog
storage medium...it's that easy! :) I thought I had heard sometime that
laserdiscs used analog audio, is this true? If so, how's the quality?

My thoughts on SACD are that, technically speaking, it is the superior new
audio format. Plus, for whatever reason, DVDA and HDCD just leave a bad
taste in my mouth. Of course, people tend to buy into whatever seems best,
and since Microsoft acquired Pacific Microsonics I bet they will try their
best to force consumers into needing HDCD like they've done with all their
products. I for one hope SACD wins out.

Not that this has anything to do with Minidiscs.

- John

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MD: sec: unclassified: Best buy, phasing out MD equip ??

2001-01-30 Thread Cramb, Kevin


To start off, I absolutely love MDs.  I now am worried because my home deck
has died (optical block) and my R50 now is playing up (buttons don't work)
so I have to look at my options on CD-R as I don't want to buy another deck
that will die on me.  I am looking at the 640 deck but I'm not sure.

Thanks

Kev
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Re: MD: Carver Fire

2001-01-30 Thread Don Capps


From: "J. Coon" [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 That is the way it works in conventional physics.  That is how a hot air
balloon rises, it is part of what makes the wind blow.  However, in the
field of audiophidialia, things are reversed. Usually based on the latest
issue of some magazine.  That is why you can easily tell the difference
between different brands of minidisc blanks.  The more expensive ones always
sound the best. So put away your intellect, what you were taught in
elementary school, high school physics and even what you learned at an
institution of higher learning.  What the heck do the learned professors
know any way?  Just go visit you local audio store and swallow the hook line
and sinker the salesman has for you and remember that "He has a HIGH SCHOOL
diploma",... and he gets a commission.

Heheheheheh. A man after my own heart Jimbo! You know snake oil when you see
it.

My motto?

"If it disappears when the blindfold goes on, then it doesn't exist."

Of course, perhaps the "golden ears" listen with their eyes. ;-)

Don C.

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Re: MD: what is an SACD?

2001-01-30 Thread Anthony Lalande


... pupu writes:

 I couldn't agree more. All we need is some noiseless ultra-sensitive analog
 storage medium...it's that easy! :) I thought I had heard sometime that
 laserdiscs used analog audio, is this true? If so, how's the quality?

While analog storage has its merits, it does lend itself to different kinds
of problems. For example, low batteries on tape players will lead to
harmonic distortions (i.e.: that tape motors slow down, and the frequency
falls), whereas low batteries on CD or MD units will just shut off the unit.

Also, in VCRs, the more a tape is used, the more the heads stretch the
ribbon (which is why you should never use cheap "ultra-fast rewind"
gadgets). With stretched ribbons, sync signals get stretched, and the VCR
has trouble with tracking.

In addition, no modern computer can process analog signals without first
running it through an analog-digital converter. Although I can see how
analog equipment might produce higher "definition" sound, it would probably
be pointless, since a lot of mixing is done in the studio with computers to
start with, so the analog copy would only be as good as the digital master.

- Anthony

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Re: MD: THX Certified?

2001-01-30 Thread las


"Francisco J. Huerta" wrote:

 I think I got it either on kencranes.com or on the DTS web site. I would
 definitely suggest Kencranes.com, since they are charging $7.50 LESS ($17.50
 USD) for the copy.

thanks,
Larry

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RE: MD: md-l-mimedigest V2 #870

2001-01-30 Thread Greg Lincoln


Hi!

I'm still looking for a manual for the SONY MDX-C8000 car stereo unit. Can
anyone help??
Maybe you may have somthing even slightly similar.

Cheers Guys!

Greg Lincoln.


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Re: MD: Carver Fire

2001-01-30 Thread las


Don Capps wrote:

 Of course, perhaps the "golden ears" listen with their eyes. ;-)

 Don C.

Around 1980 some genius had the brilliant idea that music needed some visual
concept.  The visuals did not have to have anything to do with the song and just
watching musicians play the music was not enough.

So someone came out with MTV.  That was the end of music becoming popular
because it was a good song.  Now you heard the song (which may have sucked) but
in you mind were these chicks wearing as little as they could get away with and
of course they were near perfect 10's.

Suddenly you had a hit.  What does the M in MTV sand for.  Because it certainly
doesn't mean music.  Maybe muscle or meat.  Macho??  Mammary??

Larry

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