Re: MD: The truth about Hi Space and Memorex...
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, just to go a bit further : take a Memorex minidisc and take in the other hand a Hi Space minidisc... The memorex minidisc is really cheap, the plastic cover very weak. Hi Space minidisc are nearly the same as Sony or TDK... Great plastic, great flip case, high quality... I used Hi Space and Memorex and I am able to see a big difference in the sound... Yes, Memorex minidisc are really poor on bass and high frequency... Hmm, Allow me to comment 1) I don't know Memorex, so I don't comment on that. 2) Sony disks have that little extra in the design. Something that makes them look 'high-quality'. It's the same with a lot of stuff. Keep it sobber and use dark coulors and you'll think it's higher quality. 3) I've got about 30-35 HiSpace discs and about 30 Sony discs. They work all without any problem. 4) Can somebody please explain me how you can have a poor bass respons and a low high-frequency respons with a digital media? I didn't know Memorex started to put filters onto their MDs Cheers, Ralph - maybee it's me who knows nothing about digital filters -- === Ralph SmeetsFunctional Verification Centre Of Competence - CMG Voice: (+33) (0)4 76 58 44 46 STMicroelectronics Fax:(+33) (0)4 76 58 40 11 5, chem de la Dhuy Mobile: (+33) (0)6 82 66 62 70 38240 MEYLAN E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] FRANCE === "For many years, mankind lived just like the animals. And then something happened that unleashed the powers of our imagination: We learned to talk." -- Stephen Hawking, later used by Pink Floyd -- === - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: The truth about Hi Space and Memorex...
sherryl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All I can do is report on the statements of others on the list. H S has not gotten many favorable reviews. Given that MD is a digital format, one would not expect any difference in performance between disc brands, except faults to to the physical construction. As a result of this, you're not going to see many favourable reviews, because an MD can never be better than standard (unless you have "Golden"* ears). So, you'll see unfavourable reviews when people get a problem, whereas "working OK" is not news. simon *Golden - ie more money than sense - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: The truth about Hi Space and Memorex...
Hi Space minidisc are nearly the same as Sony or TDK... Great plastic, great flip case, high quality... I used Hi Space and Memorex and I am able to see a big difference in the sound... Yes, Memorex minidisc are really poor on bass and high frequency... For those who like the flip cases. I don't like them at all. Easier to take a disc out of a slip case than a flip case when walking around town or riding the subway - flip cases become a burden. (hence, I don't own any hi space discs. - J -- John McLachlan Draper Laboratory Cambridge, MA 02139-3563 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/johnmc --- Take out your riot guns, take out your knives Just drop your shopping bags and struggle for your lives - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: The truth about Hi Space and Memorex...
John S. McLachlan wrote: For those who like the flip cases. I don't like them at all. Me neither. They look better, and probably keep out the dirt (does this matter?), but it's harder to get the disc, and when dropped, the hinge breaks. simon - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: The truth about Hi Space and Memorex...
JR wrote, | And, umm... while just about every place here sells MD stuff (hell, CVS | sells 3 packs of blanks) I cannot find any Hi Space. It's like they don't | exist. I don't remember where you're located, JR, but around here (metropolitan Chicago) nobody sells them in stores either. You have to get them by mail order. And count me with John, Simon, and Tony in finding slip cases more convenient than flip cases. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: The truth about Hi Space and Memorex...
=== = NB: Over 50% of this message is QUOTED, please = = be more selective when quoting text = === I agree. I thought they'd be better - kind of like a small CD case. But they can break and jam and they are awkward to open and close... least I find. I've gone back to slip cases myself. - Original Message - From: John S. McLachlan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 10, 2000 14:44 Subject: Re: MD: The truth about Hi Space and Memorex... Hi Space minidisc are nearly the same as Sony or TDK... Great plastic, great flip case, high quality... I used Hi Space and Memorex and I am able to see a big difference in the sound... Yes, Memorex minidisc are really poor on bass and high frequency... For those who like the flip cases. I don't like them at all. Easier to take a disc out of a slip case than a flip case when walking around town or riding the subway - flip cases become a burden. (hence, I don't own any hi space discs. - J -- John McLachlan Draper Laboratory Cambridge, MA 02139-3563 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/johnmc --- Take out your riot guns, take out your knives Just drop your shopping bags and struggle for your lives - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: The truth about Hi Space and Memorex...
JR Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well why are all the memorex discs I buy have no problems and have been stepped on and not cracked? Do I have a horseshoe up my ass when it comes to blank MD's? It just means you've had good experiences with them, nothing more. And, umm... while just about every place here sells MD stuff (hell, CVS sells 3 packs of blanks) I cannot find any Hi Space. It's like they don't exist. That's because TDK, Maxell, Memorex, Sony, etc. are all mass-market, sell-everything-in-the-world brands. Most mass market retailers only but products from companies that can supply them with lots of stuff. Since Hi-Space is a specialty company, you won't find their products in Circuit City. Check out http://www.minidisco.com/ and their PR for Hi-Space discs: Minidisco labs thoroughly tested these discs, and we love them. Some of the lowest error rates we've ever seen, and the disc flap housing uses a heavier embedded spring for durability. ...and you can drive a car over them! In pursuit of truth, yesterday I got someone to drive their car over a (HiSpace) minidisc. Front and back wheels, 2 mph. After I wiped off the dust, the only visible effect was a small dent in the shutter, which does not stop it sliding. I also dropped it out the window several times onto concrete (4 metres), it usually landed flat, but when it landed on a corner, there was small scratch. The disc still plays. What's else is special about Hi-Space MiniDiscs? * Total compliance with every type of MiniDisc drive on the market ensured by perfect control of the pre-groove geometry of the disc during the mastering process. * Outstanding durability thanks to a protective lacquer developed by MPO. This lacquer offers excellent resistance to abrasion, a low friction coefficient and guarantees two million recordings without any measurable wear or increase in friction. * Operation under extreme conditions of use thanks to the composition, homogeneity and thickness of the magneto-optical layer. Even when exposed to the extreme temperatures or used in drives running on low-power batteries, Hi-SpaceTM MiniDiscs guarantee optimum sound quality. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: The truth about Hi Space and Memorex...
From: "David W. Tamkin" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jack wrote, | Yes, Memorex minidisc are really poor on bass and high frequency... Incredible (very literally). MD is a digital storage medium. As long as ones stay ones and zeroes stay zeroes, it doesn't matter (and the disc (snip...) I think he was taking the p*** about them sounding different... But I've used dozens of HiSpace without any problems. Why do so many peeps think cheap has to mean rubbish? Cheers, PrinceGaz - giving his Memorex MDs a funny look, even with the metal shutter! Should be fine in a clam-shell portie I guess. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: The truth about Hi Space and Memorex...
sherryl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All I can do is report on the statements of others on the list. H S has not gotten many favorable reviews. Funny, I have the opposite impression. With a couple exceptions, I have only heard positive things about HS discs on this list. MiniDisco sells several brands, and HS are their favorites, too. I have about 60 HS discs, fifteen or so Maxell, and ten Sony. The HS disks are every bit as good/sturdy/well-made as the other brands, have better cases, and were much cheaper. I have not had a single problem with a HiSpace disc. I recommend them to everyone I know over the overpriced Sony discs. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: The truth about Hi Space and Memorex...
The only Hi Space disc I have is the one that came with my Sony R70 from PlanetMinidisc. In the past, I've always used Sony. When I opened it up, the shutter was open, exposing the disc. Gently pushing on it got it to close. I tried recording on it and it recorded for about 45 minutes and then my recorder suddenly stopped recording and flashed "TOC Edit." Hitting stop, etc. did nothing. I had to unplug the unit and remove the battery. Then, of course, the TOC was no good so it thought the disc was still blank. The second time I tried recording on it, it suddently stopped and did "TOC Edit" and then went to "DISC ERR." Have never had such a problem with the Sonys. Obviously an isolated incident is a poor basis for judging the brand, but it certainly didn't leave a good taste in my mouth. sean -- Sean Harding [EMAIL PROTECTED]|"America is a country filled http://www.dogcow.org/sean/ | with people who have run away." | --The Nields - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: The truth about Hi Space and Memorex...
sherryl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All I can do is report on the statements of others on the list. H S has not gotten many favorable reviews. Funny, I have the opposite impression. With a couple exceptions, I have only heard positive things about HS discs on this list. MiniDisco sells several brands, and HS are their favorites, too. I have about 60 HS discs, fifteen or so Maxell, and ten Sony. The HS disks are every bit as good/sturdy/well-made as the other brands, have better cases, and were much cheaper. I have not had a single problem with a HiSpace disc. I recommend them to everyone I know over the overpriced Sony discs. I've had almost exactly the same experience. When I first got my recorder, I bought a few Sony, Maxell and Hispace discs. As far as audio quality goes (someone earlier mentioned that Hispace sounds worse) all sound exactly the same, as the theory would suggest. In terms of sturdiness, they're great - not one of them has broken on me yet, though i've had a couple of those Maxell cases break (no discs so far), yet the HiSpace discs are consistently less expensive than the other brands. Personally, I never object to something which is better or equal AND inexpensive. David - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: The truth about Hi Space and Memorex...
I agree, of course, with all these good comments about Hi Space minidisc... I know that you can tell I'm not impartial, but you're false on this... You know, It's only since one month that I'm a Hi Space distributor... I've looked for Sony and TDK before to sell their minidisc and they were asking a minimum selling price, they were asking too many purchase at the same time and as everyone knows and says : You pay for the name... Yes, you overpay to have the Sony name in your shelves... I'm a great buyer from Minidisco too... I just want to sell hi-space minidisc to be able to offer the best price as possible; the lowest I can have, to everyone... I don't really need to have a big markup on these products cause my prior company, Kheops, let me the chance to make my money very well... Minidisc is my all time favorite passion... I have tried all brand of minidisc and I was very please with hi space (HS) minidisc... So, I'm a proud buyer and now, Sellers... You can use them with confidence... I try to offer the best price as possible... In a few weeks, I will offer the lowest price on the crystal 74 mn minidisc... I just don't have receive them yet... I think I will be able to sell them to $1.65 or $1.70 each for any quantities... Not for 100 discs at a time... For each and every quantity... My goal is simple : provide the same good price to everyone !!! The only thing I can't deal with, is the shipping charge... That's the way it is... I strongly suggest you to visit my web site often... For now I only have 2 kind of minidisc and I will receive 3 other kind in a few days or weeks... so visit my website often... http://www.kheopsglassart.com/minidisc/ Have a nice evening... Jack and Pierre From Kheops Minidisc. __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: The truth about Hi Space and Memorex...
The memorex minidisc is really cheap, the plastic cover very weak. Well why are all the memorex discs I buy have no problems and have been stepped on and not cracked? Do I have a horseshoe up my ass when it comes to blank MD's? And, umm... while just about every place here sells MD stuff (hell, CVS sells 3 packs of blanks) I cannot find any Hi Space. It's like they don't exist. YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: The truth about Hi Space and Memorex...
Jack wrote, | Yes, Memorex minidisc are really poor on bass and high frequency... Incredible (very literally). MD is a digital storage medium. As long as ones stay ones and zeroes stay zeroes, it doesn't matter (and the disc doesn't know) whether they're part of the representation of a bass sound, a high frequency, or a middle frequency. What you said might be true of a recorder's ADC, or of a recorder or player's DAC, but it cannot apply to a digital storage medium. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: The truth about Hi Space and Memorex...
Listen, I don't know for the past years but : I'm now a Hi Space distributor... So I know that Hi Space are not the same as Memorex... Memorex have an European division, but it's not made by MPO company... It's a different companies... It's the same that if you said that TDK and Sony was the same cause they're from Japan !!! Sony and Aiwa are the same company but not memorex and Hi Space... Ok, just to go a bit further : take a Memorex minidisc and take in the other hand a Hi Space minidisc... The memorex minidisc is really cheap, the plastic cover very weak. Hi Space minidisc are nearly the same as Sony or TDK... Great plastic, great flip case, high quality... I used Hi Space and Memorex and I am able to see a big difference in the sound... Yes, Memorex minidisc are really poor on bass and high frequency... I sell hi space minidisc cause the are really good and less expensive thant sony... Sony are good but you pay too much... We always pay for the name... I hope you will understand that Memorex and Hi Space are not the same thing... Thank's Jack. __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: The truth about Hi Space and Memorex...
=== = NB: Over 50% of this message is QUOTED, please = = be more selective when quoting text = === Hi Jack. With all do respect, I not recall you mentioning that you are a H S distributor. No offence but how can you be impartial? Your opinion would carry much more weight if you had no connection to H S. Lets face it you cut a deal with Mr. "French" to distribute his discs. We can't expect you to say that they are crap. All I can do is report on the statements of others on the list. H S has not gotten many favorable reviews. Unless they started using different materials, the shells that they used to come in were made of flimsy material. Regards, LAS Kheops GlassArt wrote: Listen, I don't know for the past years but : I'm now a Hi Space distributor... So I know that Hi Space are not the same as Memorex... Memorex have an European division, but it's not made by MPO company... It's a different companies... It's the same that if you said that TDK and Sony was the same cause they're from Japan !!! Sony and Aiwa are the same company but not memorex and Hi Space... Ok, just to go a bit further : take a Memorex minidisc and take in the other hand a Hi Space minidisc... The memorex minidisc is really cheap, the plastic cover very weak. Hi Space minidisc are nearly the same as Sony or TDK... Great plastic, great flip case, high quality... I used Hi Space and Memorex and I am able to see a big difference in the sound... Yes, Memorex minidisc are really poor on bass and high frequency... I sell hi space minidisc cause the are really good and less expensive thant sony... Sony are good but you pay too much... We always pay for the name... I hope you will understand that Memorex and Hi Space are not the same thing... Thank's Jack. __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
