Re: MD: Linux S/PDIF soundcard
Ok, compared to the card, 79$ are a lot, but it is cheaper than the Midiman Dio 2448 and I think the DIO 2448 is not supported by Linux. Do you know another card with digital in/out cheaper than the 4DWave NX including the ST DBIII module? You also need the NX DB II at $24 I believe, which raises the price of digital-in to $103. You are right! See http://www.hoontech.com/board/cgi-bin/CrazyWWWBoard.cgi?db=firstmode=readn um=2262page=1category=ftype=6fval=nxbackdepth=1 "Hoontech" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: To use the optical-in with the NX card, NX DB II and ST I/O III are required. ST I/O III offer the S/PDIF IN/OUT (Coaxial,AES/EBU,Optical) Bert - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Linux S/PDIF soundcard
Have a look at http://www.rme-audio.com/english/digi32/digi32.htm The RME Digi32 is discontinued, so maybe you can get it very cheap. I have no idea if it can copy bit by bit. Bert - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Linux S/PDIF soundcard
Bert Konstantin wrote: There is a rumour that the Hoontech SoundTrack Digital 4DWave NX (http://www.hoontech.com/product/soundcard/STdigitalNX.htm) supports it. See also http://www.alsa-project.org/~goemon/ I am not shure if the input modul works. I have read reports, that the output works fine. I hope I get more info in the next days from the german distributor. I have the card and the output works fine, I use it to record MP3s to MD. However, the 4DWave NX doesn't do bidirectional SPDIF, which the original poster wanted. According to Claus from RIDI Multimedia it is possible, but very (read: multiple times the card price) expensive to add a digital-in to the card. What are the alternatives ? Now that Creative has released specs for the Live! series, ALSA support is there I think. But do both the digital ports work ? I don't know what that one comment on games was about, but I can play Quake2/Quake3 just fine on my machine. Alexander Dietrich -- | Alexander Dietrich | Norderstedt, Germany | | e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Linux S/PDIF soundcard
There is a rumour that the Hoontech SoundTrack Digital 4DWave NX (http://www.hoontech.com/product/soundcard/STdigitalNX.htm) supports it. See also http://www.alsa-project.org/~goemon/ I am not shure if the input modul works. I have read reports, that the output works fine. I hope I get more info in the next days from the german distributor. I have the card and the output works fine, I use it to record MP3s to MD. However, the 4DWave NX doesn't do bidirectional SPDIF, which the original poster wanted. If you go to http://www.hoontech.com/product/soundcard/STdigitalNX.htm you will find: NX DB II 2 ports(I2S) in/out. DAC boxes, Digital AMP, DI 2000, ST D.B III and ST Digital Audio can be connected. ST DB III S/PDIF IN/OUT (Coaxial,AES/EBU,Optical) NX DB II $79 US At http://www.ridimultimedia.de/produkte/nx/index.html I could not find these modules. According to Claus from RIDI Multimedia it is possible, but very (read: multiple times the card price) expensive to add a digital-in to the card. Ok, compared to the card, 79$ are a lot, but it is cheaper than the Midiman Dio 2448 and I think the DIO 2448 is not supported by Linux. Do you know another card with digital in/out cheaper than the 4DWave NX including the ST DBIII module? What are the alternatives ? Now that Creative has released specs for the Live! series, ALSA support is there I think. But do both the digital ports work ? I have read that the Soundblaster cannot copy bit by bit. Bert - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Linux S/PDIF soundcard
Bert Konstantin wrote: Ok, compared to the card, 79$ are a lot, but it is cheaper than the Midiman Dio 2448 and I think the DIO 2448 is not supported by Linux. Do you know another card with digital in/out cheaper than the 4DWave NX including the ST DBIII module? You also need the NX DB II at $24 I believe, which raises the price of digital-in to $103. I also don't know if the digital-in would be supported by the ALSA drivers. Did anyone ever try this ? The Hoontech Digital-XG would be nice, but Yamaha still refuses to release the specs, so no ALSA drivers. :( I have read that the Soundblaster cannot copy bit by bit. If you're talking about the fixed samplerate of 48 kHz, that's apparently the case with every AC97 compliant card. Alexander Dietrich -- | Alexander Dietrich | Norderstedt, Germany | | e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Linux S/PDIF soundcard
Ok, compared to the card, 79$ are a lot, but it is cheaper than the Midiman Dio 2448 and I think the DIO 2448 is not supported by Linux. Do you know another card with digital in/out cheaper than the 4DWave NX including the ST DBIII module? You also need the NX DB II at $24 I believe, which raises the price of digital-in to $103. I don't think so, have a look at the pictures at http://www.hoontech.com/product/digitalIObrakets/nxdb2e.htm I believe that the NXDB II is a cheaper digital connections for a digital amp or the external A/D-converter. Anyway, if I need both modules it is still cheaper than the DIO 2448 and I could use the NX for games too, so it seems to me the cheapest possibility for a recording card. Any other suggestions? I also don't know if the digital-in would be supported by the ALSA drivers. Did anyone ever try this ? I am waiting for more than a week for an answer from the german distributor. It seems they have a lot to do at the moment. I have read that the Soundblaster cannot copy bit by bit. If you're talking about the fixed samplerate of 48 kHz, that's apparently the case with every AC97 compliant card. Yes. The plus of the NX is, that there should exist a solution with Linux. With Win you have the 48kHz problem too. Bert - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: Linux S/PDIF soundcard
The Hoontech Yamaha XG with the DB1 bracket has optical and coax in and out, and the cost for both is less than $70. -- Martin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bert Konstantin Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2000 7:40 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: MD: Linux S/PDIF soundcard There is a rumour that the Hoontech SoundTrack Digital 4DWave NX (http://www.hoontech.com/product/soundcard/STdigitalNX.htm) supports it. See also http://www.alsa-project.org/~goemon/ I am not shure if the input modul works. I have read reports, that the output works fine. I hope I get more info in the next days from the german distributor. I have the card and the output works fine, I use it to record MP3s to MD. However, the 4DWave NX doesn't do bidirectional SPDIF, which the original poster wanted. If you go to http://www.hoontech.com/product/soundcard/STdigitalNX.htm you will find: NX DB II 2 ports(I2S) in/out. DAC boxes, Digital AMP, DI 2000, ST D.B III and ST Digital Audio can be connected. ST DB III S/PDIF IN/OUT (Coaxial,AES/EBU,Optical) NX DB II $79 US At http://www.ridimultimedia.de/produkte/nx/index.html I could not find these modules. According to Claus from RIDI Multimedia it is possible, but very (read: multiple times the card price) expensive to add a digital-in to the card. Ok, compared to the card, 79$ are a lot, but it is cheaper than the Midiman Dio 2448 and I think the DIO 2448 is not supported by Linux. Do you know another card with digital in/out cheaper than the 4DWave NX including the ST DBIII module? What are the alternatives ? Now that Creative has released specs for the Live! series, ALSA support is there I think. But do both the digital ports work ? I have read that the Soundblaster cannot copy bit by bit. Bert - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: Linux S/PDIF soundcard
What the heck does "bit by bit copy" mean? -- Martin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bert Konstantin Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2000 5:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: MD: Linux S/PDIF soundcard The Hoontech Yamaha XG with the DB1 bracket has optical and coax in and out, and the cost for both is less than $70. But it does not support bit by bit-copy. Bert - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Linux S/PDIF soundcard
What the heck does "bit by bit copy" mean? Check de.comp.audio for details. With MD bit to bit copy is not possible, when you are recording, since MD compresses music, but if you use your MD-recorder as A/D-converter, it could be important. Let's assume the following: You have a song on a DAT-Tape (DAT does not compress) and you copy the song to the PC as a wave-file, copy it back to DAT and then back to the PC as a wave-file again, but with another name. If you compare both wave-files the files should be identical bit-by-bit. With most cheap-soundcards this is not possible. The reason for the problem is that 44.1kHz signals have to be converted to 48kHz and back to 44.1kHz with "normal" soundcards, because soundcards works with 48kHz internally. (I hope this is exact enough, what I wrote) The question is, if you hear the difference. Bert - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: Linux S/PDIF soundcard
Ok, I did some research and understand what bit by bit copy means, but how does it apply to MD? The only way to do a bit by bit copy of anything is to have software that allows you to do it. That means you would have to be using some sort of data drive to copy a disc image of a MD. When you play digital music from a computer wav file or mp3 and record it on a minidisc through a Toslink or coax connection, you are getting a bit by bit copy of the music, no matter what digital card you use. That's the definition of digital storage. It's just 1's or 0's. If there were missing bits, there would be obvious dropouts or digital noise. Even if there is a problem with the source data, it is possible through error correction to reconstruct the bits as they should have been, so you can get a correct digital copy anyway. I really can't see why anything else would be important. Please enlighten me. -- Martin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Martin Schiff Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2000 5:51 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: MD: Linux S/PDIF soundcard What the heck does "bit by bit copy" mean? -- Martin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bert Konstantin Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2000 5:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: MD: Linux S/PDIF soundcard The Hoontech Yamaha XG with the DB1 bracket has optical and coax in and out, and the cost for both is less than $70. But it does not support bit by bit-copy. Bert - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Linux S/PDIF soundcard
Bert Konstantin wrote: You also need the NX DB II at $24 I believe, which raises the price of digital-in to $103. I don't think so, have a look at the pictures at http://www.hoontech.com/product/digitalIObrakets/nxdb2e.htm I believe that the NXDB II is a cheaper digital connections for a digital amp or the external A/D-converter. The Hoontech site isn't exactly an example of providing clearly understandable information. I can't find any confirmation that either of the DB III brackets can be connected directly to the Digital-NX. I think you need the NX DB II as an intermediate step ? Anyway, if I need both modules it is still cheaper than the DIO 2448 and I could use the NX for games too, so it seems to me the cheapest possibility for a recording card. Any other suggestions? What exactly IS the DIO 2448 ? And while it might still be cheap, it would probably be easier to just get a Live! (no pun intended, honestly !) where you have to deal with only one bracket. And you have confirmed functionality of both SPDIF directions (according to FAQ). If you're talking about the fixed samplerate of 48 kHz, that's apparently the case with every AC97 compliant card. Yes. The plus of the NX is, that there should exist a solution with Linux. With Win you have the 48kHz problem too. Actually, I was told that the 4DWave NX chip can output in 32 and 44.1 kHz as well, just the drivers are locked at 48 kHz. I wonder if that is true. Now since Trident has stopped any involvement in sound hardware (I think I read this somewhere) you can probably forget about this showing up in Windows anytime soon. But since the Linux drivers are open-source, perhaps it can be implemented ? It probably doesn't matter, I guess it wouldn't improve the quality of MP3 - ATRAC transfers at all. :) Alexander Dietrich -- | Alexander Dietrich | Norderstedt, Germany | | e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Linux S/PDIF soundcard
The Hoontech site isn't exactly an example of providing clearly understandable information. Indeed! I can't find any confirmation that either of the DB III brackets can be connected directly to the Digital-NX. I think you need the NX DB II as an intermediate step ? Maybe I am sending Hoontech a mail and ask them. Anyway, if I need both modules it is still cheaper than the DIO 2448 and I could use the NX for games too, so it seems to me the cheapest possibility for a recording card. Any other suggestions? What exactly IS the DIO 2448 ? http://www.midiman.com/new.htm DiO 244824 Bit/48 kHz PCI Digital I/O Card The DiO 2448 PCI Digital I/O Card combines Coaxial and Optical digital I/O with stereo analog outputs at a remarkably low price. It's perfect for interfacing to S/PDIF-capable equipment such as DAT machines, MiniDisc recorders, dedicated audio converters, and more. In addition, the built-in D/A converter provides analog audio output for monitoring incoming digital audio. Plug your CD-ROM or CD-R to the internal analog or digital connector, and use the DiO 2448 as your Windows Sound System card. Features: 2-in, 2-out 24-bit/48kHz full-duplex PCI audio interface. S/PDIF inputs and outputs on coaxial (gold-plated RCA) and optical (TOSlink) jacks. Stereo analog output on gold-plated RCA jacks (consumer signal levels). On-board headers accept analog audio from internal CD-ROM players. On-board header accepts digital audio from internal CD-ROM players. D/A converter may be used to monitor digital input or output. Digital input may be bypassed directly to digital output (³audio thru² mode). Supports 44.1kHz and 48kHz sample rates. Windows 95/98 drivers. Minimum System Requirements: Windows 95 or Windows 98 Pentium 200 Mhz 32 MB of RAM UDMA EIDE or SCSI hard disk recommended And while it might still be cheap, it would probably be easier to just get a Live! (no pun intended, honestly !) where you have to deal with only one bracket. Easier, yes. And you have confirmed functionality of both SPDIF directions but no bit-by-bit. (AFAIK) Actually, I was told that the 4DWave NX chip can output in 32 and 44.1 kHz as well, just the drivers are locked at 48 kHz. I wonder if that is true. Now since Trident has stopped any involvement in sound hardware (I think I read this somewhere) you can probably forget about this showing up in Windows anytime soon. Can anybody confirm this too? Bert - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: Linux S/PDIF soundcard
Bert, OK, now I see what you mean. Thank you for clarifying that for me and for reinforcing my thoughts that it has no effect for a minidisc copy. I now understand your concerns. -- Martin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bert Konstantin Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2000 6:44 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: MD: Linux S/PDIF soundcard What the heck does "bit by bit copy" mean? Check de.comp.audio for details. With MD bit to bit copy is not possible, when you are recording, since MD compresses music, but if you use your MD-recorder as A/D-converter, it could be important. Let's assume the following: You have a song on a DAT-Tape (DAT does not compress) and you copy the song to the PC as a wave-file, copy it back to DAT and then back to the PC as a wave-file again, but with another name. If you compare both wave-files the files should be identical bit-by-bit. With most cheap-soundcards this is not possible. The reason for the problem is that 44.1kHz signals have to be converted to 48kHz and back to 44.1kHz with "normal" soundcards, because soundcards works with 48kHz internally. (I hope this is exact enough, what I wrote) The question is, if you hear the difference. Bert - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: Linux S/PDIF soundcard
On Sun, 23 Jan 2000, Andrew Hobgood wrote: Hi! I'll also need to get a sound card for my machine that supports S/PDIF bidirectionally under Linux/Alpha... anyone know of any that work under Linux, particularly with the ALSA drivers? I dunno if the drivers, which are included in stock 2.2.x kernels, or the card itself will work on alpha machines, or the card itself, but I'm using a Turtle Beach Pinnacle Fiji w/ digital option (A great card) with a 2.2.x kernel to transfer via the S/PDIF connector to a MDS-JA20ES, and it works/sounds great! The only drawback is ALSA support is in the TODO, and it doesn't have mmaped sound support (i.e. no quake, games, etc.) The good news is that the card is being sold refurbished by TB, at a very good price taking into account that it remains being one of the best regarding AD/DA and S/N ratio, I guess pro-quality. Good luck, *---(*)---**-- Francisco J. Montilla System Network administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] irc: pukkaSevilleSpain INSFLUG (LiNUX) Coordinator: www.insflug.org - ftp.insflug.org - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Linux S/PDIF soundcard
On Sun, 23 Jan 2000, Andrew Hobgood wrote: Hi! I'll also need to get a sound card for my machine that supports S/PDIF bidirectionally under Linux/Alpha... anyone know of any that work under Linux, particularly with the ALSA drivers? There is a rumour that the Hoontech SoundTrack Digital 4DWave NX (http://www.hoontech.com/product/soundcard/STdigitalNX.htm) supports it. See also http://www.alsa-project.org/~goemon/ I am not shure if the input modul works. I have read reports, that the output works fine. I hope I get more info in the next days from the german distributor. Bert - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
