RE: MD: MP3 -- Am I the only one that hates it so?
I too think that Sony needs to actually do something about MD. I see
Phillips' CD-R ads ("Got to admit it's gettin' better -- gettin' better
all the time") on TV and elsewhere
If we're thinking of the same ones, I think they're great and the sort of
advertising MD needs. Guy's at home, dubbing some tracks onto CDR, leaves
for the party, starts playing it in his car, gets there and hands it to the
DJ who puts it on. Really emphasises the "home recording" point.
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Re: MD: MP3 -- Am I the only one that hates it so?
J. C. R. Davis, who is all man, wrote, | This brings another point to my mind: I would much rather have some | tangible in hand. I couldn't trust all of this music on computer or a | memory chip (or stick). It just seems to easy to lose everything. If you're using a memory stick player and it gets scrambled, not all is lost. You just have to drop everything, dash home to your computer, and recopy the erased mp3 files into the player. If an MD gets hosed while you're not within reach of your collection, you could just play some of the other MDs you brought along until you get home and can rerecord or recover the damaged MD data. Where's the drama in that? Where's the angst? - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: MP3 -- Am I the only one that hates it so?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The subject says it all: am I the only person in the world -- or even here -- that hates MP3? I mean, yes, it has definite advantages, such as trying out music or getting it free by downloading; but I hate having to depend on my computer so much. I think that a music medium shouldn't be so tied in to computers. 1) You're not allone. I hate MP3 too! 2) It's maybee for free in the USA, in Europe you have to pay at least the phone-bill. (And downloading takes ages). 3) MP3s are for free on the 'underground' and 'illegal' sites. And they are constantly changing their URL since they're often kicked of the server from the providers.. So before finding the right song, you have to surf for an hour to find it 4) The easy access sites are mostly commercial. So you have to pay a price for the song. I don't mind MP3 as long as it keeps its place: behind MD and CD. Portable MP3 seem stupid to me because ... well, it's tough to explain. It just seems so much easier and smarter to just transfer MP3s to MD (or CD). To me, that's the only reason it should be used -- and not as a stand-alone medium. It's so computer-intensive! Does anyone see what I trying to say here? Yes, see 1-4 above! Cheers, Ralph - Living his live with MD! -- === Ralph SmeetsFunctional Verification Centre Of Competence - CMG Voice: (+33) (0)4 76 58 44 46 STMicroelectronics Fax:(+33) (0)4 76 58 40 11 5, chem de la Dhuy Mobile: (+33) (0)6 82 66 62 70 38240 MEYLAN E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] FRANCE === "For many years, mankind lived just like the animals. And then something happened that unleashed the powers of our imagination: We learned to talk." -- Stephen Hawking, later used by Pink Floyd -- === - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: MP3 -- Am I the only one that hates it so?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think you make a very valid point that should be made in the "Will MD Survive?" thread as well. Namely that the majority of the world does not want to use their computer for a stereo or otherwise rely upon their computer for everything. I live with my girlfriend in a small appartment. In order to safe space, we use our PC also as a television. (A special card with a remote controller). My PC is linked-up to a Compaq QVision 200 (20") monitor and the image is better than that of most tellies. But sometimes it gives also troubles since a computer is unreliable. So sometimes we can't watch television since there's a problem... I can't believe people will rely on PCs or iMacs to download and listen to music. My MD deck however never gave up. Cheers, Ralph -- === Ralph SmeetsFunctional Verification Centre Of Competence - CMG Voice: (+33) (0)4 76 58 44 46 STMicroelectronics Fax:(+33) (0)4 76 58 40 11 5, chem de la Dhuy Mobile: (+33) (0)6 82 66 62 70 38240 MEYLAN E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] FRANCE === "For many years, mankind lived just like the animals. And then something happened that unleashed the powers of our imagination: We learned to talk." -- Stephen Hawking, later used by Pink Floyd -- === - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: MP3 -- Am I the only one that hates it so?
From: Ralph Smeets [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2000 9:40 AM Subject: Re: MD: MP3 -- Am I the only one that hates it so? 1) You're not allone. I hate MP3 too! Why hate it? Let's be reasonable here, it's a good method of transferring music around the world, it has a lot of untapped potential which largely goes un-noticed because of bad side to it that gets the most media attention. Just because people use it for illegal purposes doesn't mean it is a bad thing, it means the people using it are bad - hate them instead! You get people using cars for ram-raids but do you blame the car? Of course not! You get people using MP3 to pirate music over the internet, should you blame MP3? No! 2) It's maybee for free in the USA, in Europe you have to pay at least the phone-bill. (And downloading takes ages). So a 5 minute song is 5 minutes and takes 30 minutes to download on the average 56k modem. In the UK that would cost you about 30p, only a few pence more than it costs to post a letter! It's not really the cost that is a big issue, it's that unfortunately most of Europe is still stuck with old technology that involves a lot of waiting around for things to download. 3) MP3s are for free on the 'underground' and 'illegal' sites. And they are constantly changing their URL since they're often kicked of the server from the providers.. So before finding the right song, you have to surf for an hour to find it No, that's only the illegal sites. MP3.COM for example, use it to promote new bands, and many music sites such as CD-NOW have started using it alongside RealAudio to provide music clips. Musicians are using it to exchange ideas, recording in low-rate MP3 and sending via EMail to other musicians working on the same project. Some are using it as internet radio, and it works quite well if used with a database system to store sounds (the new version of Encarta apparently uses MP3 as the audio storage format as it allows more to be packed onto the disc). If you look at who is using it, and what they are using it for, you will find one common connection though, and that is they are all using computers. You wont find people recording out in the field with MP3 (not even laptop PCs and MP3 encoders) and not everyone wants their PC as their main music system, although some people may find it useful. 4) The easy access sites are mostly commercial. So you have to pay a price for the song. Well if they ever start dishing out CDs and MDs for free let me know where!! Until that happens then yes, if you want something, you will have to pay for it (unless you want an illegal copy of course - SCMS killer anybody?). MP3 is a good format, and it has a lot of practical uses, but like any freely available technology it is open to abuse. What seems evident from this topic, is that a large number of MD users seem to be very territorial, and hate MP3 simply because it dared to step into the same area as MD. MD has one very distinct advantage over MP3 though: If you want to use MD you *only* need the MD recorder. If you want to use MP3 players, which are the so-called competition, you need a computer and suitable software. MD is very much a stand alone audio solution, whereas MP3 players are just toys for computer buffs. The danger comes from if they make MP3 recorders as stand-alone units requiring no extra hardware. Magic -- "Creativity is more a birthright than an acquisition, and the power of sound is wisdom and understanding applied to the power of vibration." Location : Portsmouth, England, UK Homepage : http://www.mattnet.freeserve.co.uk EMail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: MP3 -- Am I the only one that hates it so?
=== = NB: Over 50% of this message is QUOTED, please = = be more selective when quoting text = === Hihihi, It always works. Trow some heavy anti arguments in the threath and you'll get som real answers. Until now, I've only heard of MP3 in "Yeah, let's download the song, collect as much music as possible... and last but not least, FOR FREE! Magic, I agree with you, there is something good about MP3. I've seen sites that let you download MP3 samples of CDs. And for 'distributing' audio using the internet it's offcourse a great media. But when it comes to MP3 players, things start to get blurry, I don't see the benefits off them. What does it realy bring? Cheers, Ralph [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Ralph Smeets [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2000 9:40 AM Subject: Re: MD: MP3 -- Am I the only one that hates it so? 1) You're not allone. I hate MP3 too! Why hate it? Let's be reasonable here, it's a good method of transferring music around the world, it has a lot of untapped potential which largely goes un-noticed because of bad side to it that gets the most media attention. Just because people use it for illegal purposes doesn't mean it is a bad thing, it means the people using it are bad - hate them instead! You get people using cars for ram-raids but do you blame the car? Of course not! You get people using MP3 to pirate music over the internet, should you blame MP3? No! 2) It's maybee for free in the USA, in Europe you have to pay at least the phone-bill. (And downloading takes ages). So a 5 minute song is 5 minutes and takes 30 minutes to download on the average 56k modem. In the UK that would cost you about 30p, only a few pence more than it costs to post a letter! It's not really the cost that is a big issue, it's that unfortunately most of Europe is still stuck with old technology that involves a lot of waiting around for things to download. 3) MP3s are for free on the 'underground' and 'illegal' sites. And they are constantly changing their URL since they're often kicked of the server from the providers.. So before finding the right song, you have to surf for an hour to find it No, that's only the illegal sites. MP3.COM for example, use it to promote new bands, and many music sites such as CD-NOW have started using it alongside RealAudio to provide music clips. Musicians are using it to exchange ideas, recording in low-rate MP3 and sending via EMail to other musicians working on the same project. Some are using it as internet radio, and it works quite well if used with a database system to store sounds (the new version of Encarta apparently uses MP3 as the audio storage format as it allows more to be packed onto the disc). If you look at who is using it, and what they are using it for, you will find one common connection though, and that is they are all using computers. You wont find people recording out in the field with MP3 (not even laptop PCs and MP3 encoders) and not everyone wants their PC as their main music system, although some people may find it useful. 4) The easy access sites are mostly commercial. So you have to pay a price for the song. Well if they ever start dishing out CDs and MDs for free let me know where!! Until that happens then yes, if you want something, you will have to pay for it (unless you want an illegal copy of course - SCMS killer anybody?). MP3 is a good format, and it has a lot of practical uses, but like any freely available technology it is open to abuse. What seems evident from this topic, is that a large number of MD users seem to be very territorial, and hate MP3 simply because it dared to step into the same area as MD. MD has one very distinct advantage over MP3 though: If you want to use MD you *only* need the MD recorder. If you want to use MP3 players, which are the so-called competition, you need a computer and suitable software. MD is very much a stand alone audio solution, whereas MP3 players are just toys for computer buffs. The danger comes from if they make MP3 recorders as stand-alone units requiring no extra hardware. Magic -- "Creativity is more a birthright than an acquisition, and the power of sound is wisdom and understanding applied to the power of vibration." Location : Portsmouth, England, UK Homepage : http://www.mattnet.freeserve.co.uk EMail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- === Ralph SmeetsFunctional Verification Centre Of Competence - CMG Voice: (+33) (0)4 76 58 44 46
Re: MD: MP3 -- Am I the only one that hates it so?
It always works. Trow some heavy anti arguments in the threath and you'll get som real answers. Until now, I've only heard of MP3 in "Yeah, let's download the song, collect as much music as possible... and last but not least, FOR FREE! Magic, I agree with you, there is something good about MP3. I've seen sites that let you download MP3 samples of CDs. And for 'distributing' audio using the internet it's offcourse a great media. But when it comes to MP3 players, things start to get blurry, I don't see the benefits off them. What does it realy bring? Well, in time memory will get cheaper, and it is then affordable to make an mp3 player with like 250 mb space so you can put in either a long time of music at relatively low quality, or you can put in like 74 minutes of cd quelity audio using some lossless compression scheme. then is starts getting interesting, and that'll only go further... and in time recording functions will come too... Bye, Remko van der Vossen, [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Black Angel, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 48056779 EDA and owner of [EMAIL PROTECTED] fan of Jewel, The X-Files, Chris Carter, Mac Gyver, BtVS, Jane Jensen's Gabriel Knight Pretty; "There is a pretty girl on the Face of this magazine And all I can see are my dirty hands turning the page" Jewel - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: MP3 -- Am I the only one that hates it so?
From: J. C. R. Davis The subject says it all: am I the only person in the world -- or even here -- that hates MP3? If you mean that literally, you might be. I just think that MP3 is good for some things, but most of my needs lie elsewhere so I have very little to do with MP3. No need for hate. :-) Rick. -+--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.alienshore.com/ - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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In a nifty summary, Magic wrote the following: MP3 is a good format, and it has a lot of practical uses, but like any freely available technology it is open to abuse. What seems evident from this topic, is that a large number of MD users seem to be very territorial, and hate MP3 simply because it dared to step into the same area as MD. MD has one very distinct advantage over MP3 though: If you want to use MD you *only* need the MD recorder. If you want to use MP3 players, which are the so-called competition, you need a computer and suitable software. MD is very much a stand alone audio solution, whereas MP3 players are just toys for computer buffs. The danger comes from if they make MP3 recorders as stand-alone units requiring no extra hardware. My response: I agree. I think one of the biggest problems with MP3 is that it is just too complicated and requires too much work. MD is straightforward, where MP3 just requires too much from the user, I believe. Admittedly, one of the reasons I dislike MP3 so is that it is slowing down MDs success. True, MD is doing relatively well (so I hear). But we want it to become mainstream. We KNOW everybody will like it, but everybody is still ignorant. As I stated once before, I don't want to depend upon my computer for my music. It should all be able to be managed through my stereo, thank you very MUCH! :-) Yes, MP3 has it's advantages, but one question keep gnawing at me concerning it: Why? (That's a rhetorical question, BTW.) J. C. R. Davis ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Ralph Smeets [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2000 1:52 PM Subject: Re: MD: MP3 -- Am I the only one that hates it so? But when it comes to MP3 players, things start to get blurry, I don't see the benefits off them. What does it realy bring? Usually 45 minutes of music on continuous repeat for 8 hours until the batteries run out... ;o) Magic -- "Creativity is more a birthright than an acquisition, and the power of sound is wisdom and understanding applied to the power of vibration." Location : Portsmouth, England, UK Homepage : http://www.mattnet.freeserve.co.uk EMail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: MP3 -- Am I the only one that hates it so?
=== = NB: Over 50% of this message is QUOTED, please = = be more selective when quoting text = === Dudes... With the new Transmetta chip running at 700mhz on 1 watt of power, with 128 bits onboard... We'll see realtime MP3 encoders that will fit in the palm of your hand VERY soon. Hopefully someone will devise a new method of compressing audio which is better/faster/cheaper than MP3 soon...and is also license free. Until then, MP3 rocks. :-) --Floss On Tue, 25 Jan 2000, Remko van der Vossen wrote: It always works. Trow some heavy anti arguments in the threath and you'll get som real answers. Until now, I've only heard of MP3 in "Yeah, let's download the song, collect as much music as possible... and last but not least, FOR FREE! Magic, I agree with you, there is something good about MP3. I've seen sites that let you download MP3 samples of CDs. And for 'distributing' audio using the internet it's offcourse a great media. But when it comes to MP3 players, things start to get blurry, I don't see the benefits off them. What does it realy bring? Well, in time memory will get cheaper, and it is then affordable to make an mp3 player with like 250 mb space so you can put in either a long time of music at relatively low quality, or you can put in like 74 minutes of cd quelity audio using some lossless compression scheme. then is starts getting interesting, and that'll only go further... and in time recording functions will come too... Bye, Remko van der Vossen, [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Black Angel, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 48056779 EDA and owner of [EMAIL PROTECTED] fan of Jewel, The X-Files, Chris Carter, Mac Gyver, BtVS, Jane Jensen's Gabriel Knight Pretty; "There is a pretty girl on the Face of this magazine And all I can see are my dirty hands turning the page" Jewel - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Jeff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2000 9:53 PM Subject: Re: MD: MP3 -- Am I the only one that hates it so? Dudes... With the new Transmetta chip running at 700mhz on 1 watt of power, with 128 bits onboard... We'll see realtime MP3 encoders that will fit in the palm of your hand VERY soon. Hopefully someone will devise a new method of compressing audio which is better/faster/cheaper than MP3 soon...and is also license free. Until then, MP3 rocks. :-) --Floss The StrongArm processor can already do this with ease, it's not processor speed that os an issue! To get a good MP3 recording you need to have the complete "song" already recorded, either on disk or into memory. If I want to encode a 5 minute song, I already need that 5 minutes of audio recorded for the encoder to use, regardless of how quick it can do it. If I was recording at CD quality, I would need 50Mb of storage as a workspace! Magic -- "Creativity is more a birthright than an acquisition, and the power of sound is wisdom and understanding applied to the power of vibration." Location : Portsmouth, England, UK Homepage : http://www.mattnet.freeserve.co.uk EMail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: MP3 -- Am I the only one that hates it so?
Guys Guys! MD and MP3 could combine their forces actually :} And MD Portable could never be compared for an example to Diamond Rio... Mp3 is becoming big... If we can't fight it lets join it :) Just a thought Magic2 PS. I am a big MP3 lover :) PS2. and even bigger MD lover :) - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Wed, 26 Jan 2000, Magic wrote: The StrongArm processor can already do this with ease, it's not processor speed that os an issue! To get a good MP3 recording you need to have the complete "song" already recorded, either on disk or into memory. If I want to encode a 5 minute song, I already need that 5 minutes of audio recorded for the encoder to use, regardless of how quick it can do it. If I was recording at CD quality, I would need 50Mb of storage as a workspace! This isn't exaclty true... I am on the LAME development team (needless to say, I like MP3s :-P), so I know a bit about the guts of the medium. All you need is two or three frames) the data for one frame is actually spread out over several frames, but as long as you have those frames it is certainly possible. The tough part (and I use the term lightly :-P) is setting the header and the end bit.. but, all you need to do is go back and set it once you're done encoding :-) I think MD does something similar, with the Table of Contents.. Not exactly the same, but similar. Shoutcast does something very similar..it does realtime MP3 encoding (basicly). It does weird things with the header/footer, but as I said before, this is easy to circumvent. Tootles! --Floss - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I have to agree with J. C. R. Davis when he (or she) says that MP3's are so computer intensive, but I don't hate them. I bought a Diamond Rio PMP300 ONLY because after $100.00 in rebates it cost me $50.00. I thought it was the best way to see what all the fuss was about. Yeah, it's cool and light weight, but with 32MB of RAM, it's also useless. I won't be rushing out to buy 32MB SmartMedia cards at $90.00 each any time soon. Not to mention that ripping MP3's and then downloading to the Rio is a real pain. I can't seem to rip MP3's from CD's digitally, so I have to use the analog setting. Yeah, I know it's my hardware that's causing the problem, but I'm not going to go out and buy new PC equipment just to rip MP3's. My CD collection tops 500, so to rip it all to MP3 would take nearly 40GB worth of hard disk and a LOT of time. What happens when my hard disk crashes? Restore from backup right? Now I have to go spend $400.00 or more for a backup solution large enough to protect my whole MP3 collection. Let's add it up. $50 for the player, $180 for the memory upgrades, $300.00 for the hard drives, $400.00 for the tape backup drive (that isn't 100% reliable in itself), and $40.00 for a new CD ROM that will digitally rip MP3's. That's nearly $1000.00 for a fool proof MP3 setup! OR, I can go get a new MZ-R37 for $180.00, plug it in and just record or go portable. The one thing that MP3 does have over MD is the web based CDDB. It's just fantastic. Put the CD in the drive, press a button and all the track titles are there - done. It's also true that not EVERYONE cares about sound quality. For me, the MP3 128kbps rate is good enough for portable listening or crappy computer speakers (but not hard core, serious listening). We need to see a marriage of the two with MD units that are capable of decoding the 140MB worth MP3's that an MD can hold but are still also true ATRAC MD machines. This is the obvious solution for survival AND wide-spread acceptance of the MD format. Sony, are you listening? Craig Bernard - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- The subject says it all: am I the only person in the world -- or even here -- that hates MP3? I mean, yes, it has definite advantages, such as trying out music or getting it free by downloading; but I hate having to depend on my computer so much. I think that a music medium shouldn't be so tied in to computers. I agree wholeheartedly, actually. MP3 is great if I want that one random song, or if a friend tells me, "check it out, this is a cool track," and if I like it, I go purchase the CD, or add it to my CDnow gift registry and hope that someone else buys it for me. =) [shameless plug: I turn 19 on Thursday, so if anyone feels like getting me a gift, even though I've never met any of you, go to http:[EMAIL PROTECTED] =) ] I don't mind MP3 as long as it keeps its place: behind MD and CD. Portable MP3 seem stupid to me because ... well, it's tough to explain. It just seems so much easier and smarter to just transfer MP3s to MD (or CD). To me, that's the only reason it should be used -- and not as a stand-alone medium. It's so computer-intensive! I know what you mean... also, MP3, unless at 192kbps or higher, sounds much crappier than the CD. My MP3's are around for a very simple reason... when I'm at my computer and I'm too lazy to reach into my CD's to find a particular one, I just find a directory of mp3's and play 'em. /Andrew -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBOIyYU7VO5F5M77LBAQE54gP8Cq+O9Ns4PyvJ9lsXmCDMxJZY9Edh9dXO bSR0DcULuIFEvDn7oTih/UW11aIGB3i0JN05f5HaIA/FH8t9IVlgM/+Ixixpqbry keondq6XSyqReCaItk8IlnpwpsvOPIinX/LRg+K5dBByUFJu+Ov/xUhI96h71yM8 j7KkJI2XIKw= =8haL -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I second that. As far as portability goes, every time i rush into my house, and rush out again with a complete change of music, i thank the lucky stars for MD's cause if i have to sit infront of a computer and pick what songs i want, and then wait for the download i would be very miserable. Mini discs are the bomb!! if you do like MP3's and love dance music, check these out: ftp://ftp.21ca.com/pub/mp3dump/Brynmore-ComingFromTheRoots.mp3 (17.6 MB) ftp://ftp.21ca.com/pub/mp3dump/Brynmore-DemBushesWild.mp3 (16.9 MB) ftp://ftp.21ca.com/pub/mp3dump/Brynmore-LiveAtSolaris-Dub.mp3 (17 MB) ftp://ftp.21ca.com/pub/mp3dump/Brynmore-LiveOnWZBC-7-19-99-Dub.mp3 (14.4 MB) ftp://ftp.21ca.com/pub/mp3dump/Brynmore-LiveOnWZBC-7-19-99-Techno.mp3 (18.1 MB) ftp://ftp.21ca.com/pub/mp3dump/Brynmore-ThatBoyIsStrange.mp3 (17.6 MB) Pan Sonic Mixes ftp://ftp.21ca.com/pub/mp3dump/ Pan_Sonic-MP3/Pan_sonic_Activation_By_DJ_brynmore.mp3 (8.5 MB) ftp://ftp.21ca.com/pub/mp3dump/ Pan_Sonic-MP3/Pan_Sonic_Transposition_By_DJ_brynmore.mp3 (8.1MB) Peace The subject says it all: am I the only person in the world -- or even here -- that hates MP3? The middle man does not add value, just cost. __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: MP3 -- Am I the only one that hates it so?
I think you make a very valid point that should be made in the "Will MD Survive?" thread as well. Namely that the majority of the world does not want to use their computer for a stereo or otherwise rely upon their computer for everything. Digressing from your post a bit, I think what MD proponents need to emphasize more than anything is how much of a pain in the ass CDs actually are. They are big, awkward, prone to damage and skipping -- and CDRs are even worse. Solid state devices look nice until you start talking about media cost ($200 for a 64MB memory stick? Are they serious?). Anyway, what will sell a format is its convenience. I'm not sure sound quality is really going to get it for us. Let me join with the others in saying that I really, really want a USB MD drive. Or an ATAPI drive that does MD-Data too :). Hmmm...what an utterly horrible post. I usually am more coherent than this :). -Matt --On Monday, January 24, 2000 10:25 AM -0600 "J. C. R. Davis" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The subject says it all: am I the only person in the world -- or even here -- that hates MP3? I mean, yes, it has definite advantages, such as trying out music or getting it free by downloading; but I hate having to depend on my computer so much. I think that a music medium shouldn't be so tied in to computers. I don't mind MP3 as long as it keeps its place: behind MD and CD. Portable MP3 seem stupid to me because ... well, it's tough to explain. It just seems so much easier and smarter to just transfer MP3s to MD (or CD). To me, that's the only reason it should be used -- and not as a stand-alone medium. It's so computer-intensive! Does anyone see what I trying to say here? J. C. R. Davis ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: MP3 -- Am I the only one that hates it so?
The subject says it all: am I the only person in the world -- or even here -- that hates MP3? I mean, yes, it has definite advantages, such as trying out music or getting it free by downloading; but I hate having to depend on my computer so much. I think that a music medium shouldn't be so tied in to computers. In a small uni bedroom, my computer's always there and always on when I'm awake. Over the summer I ripped all my (200ish i guess) CDs to MP3 and burned them onto 20 CD-Rs. Now instead of taking 4 hefty cardboard boxes with me to uni, I can get it all in one shoebox. Even if I had the time to put them all on MDs, that'd cost a lot in media and would take up more than twice the space of the CD-Rs. Stuff I particulary like I've already put on to MD (got about 25 discs here at the moment)- any new stuff I download (and like enough) goes on there too. I don't mind MP3 as long as it keeps its place: behind MD and CD. Portable MP3 seem stupid to me because ... well, it's tough to explain. It just seems so much easier and smarter to just transfer MP3s to MD (or CD). To me, that's the only reason it should be used -- and not as a stand-alone medium. It's so computer-intensive! I'm just not organised enough to have time to get a playlist of tracks I want, re-encode them (my own rips are all at 160 or 192k - too big for a portable MP3 player), then wait while they transfer to the player. I'd much rather grab my R55 and a couple of discs and be out the door. Does anyone see what I trying to say here? Kinda, but don't write the format off just because it's of limited use to you. J. C. R. Davis ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -- Simon - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: MP3 -- Am I the only one that hates it so?
In a message dated 1/24/00 11:09:39 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: /|\/|\ I think that a music medium shouldn't be so tied in to computers. /|\/| \ Oy, I hate mp3s. Well, not so much the *idea* of mp3s, but the people who love the format despite it's obvious shortcomings -- because it's just the 'hip new thing'. Many people mentioned on the "Will MD survive" thread that sound quality really doesn't matter with the average consumer. That's the problem -- it doesn't. And in the end, a $99 boombox wins out over $900 home theater setup. Cost also plays into it. So free mp3s off the net or from your CD will win out over much better quality MD (or DAT, even). I think MD can survive despite the mp3 onslaught. Many others have already hit upon the solution: marketing MD's strengths to as many people as possible - something the previous US MD ads just haven't done. MP3, being the new cool 'next thing' in the media, gets free advertising. (Free advertising being pointing out its strengths while ignoring its weaknesses.) MP3 players may win on cool factor for being so small and shock-resistant, but they lose out on every other single comparison point to MD or even CD, in my mind: You can't record without a PC; you can't do real time recordings, even on a super-fast PC; the music can't be edited; the media cost is too high... And the very last but not least point is that nagging lack of decent sound quality. Actually, it's first in my mind but last in everyone else's... If it were an issue, cassettes would have died out YEARS ago. Either that or even cheap walkmans would have Dolby S. :) But anyway, back to the subject. I don't like mp3's sound quality, or the fact it takes my computer about 25 minutes per song to encode an mp3... Or 25 minutes to download the file off the net. ;-) Not all of us can afford DSL and a Pentium III 800 MHz processor to speed things along. Plus, if I want to move a song from CD to an mp3, it's about 6 steps. From CD to MD, it's about 3. In the time it takes me to rip a song from CD and encode it, I could have recorded half the CD to MD, digitally. Maybe when there's a real-time mp3 encoder that integrates into my home stereo setup, that can encode @ 256 kbps stereo, *realtime*, on a storage medium that meets or exceeds 80 mins (and costs $4), then MD will die. But until mp3 surpasses the benefits of other consumer music 'units' like MD, DAT, CD-R and cassette, it will just remain the bain of techie nerd-types, gadget collectors and others who remained glued to these wonderful boxes we call computers. :) ~Zach http://start.at/cens - The Cutting Edge of Nothing Significant - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: MP3 -- Am I the only one that hates it so?
To add something to this - UK's Radio 1 had a report earlier tonight (Monday) saying that vinyl was the fastest-growing format over here (may have been the only one with growth - can't remember the details), largely fuelled by young people buying dance music on 12s. Now it's a *real* hassle to MP3 them.. or just plug your MD in and slide that red switch over ;) -- Simon - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
