Re: [MBZ] stupid diesel tricks

[Gabriel S.]

MORON.

On 10/11/05, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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1987 300D 230K=-

Re: [MBZ] Break

[Richard Smith]

But RLE, it was Thomas Jefferson himself who said "it is a small mind that
can think of but one way to spell a word", and Einstein who used to love to
repeat Jefferson's quote.

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>
> Why do some insist on spelling "brake" as break? Certainly the word
> "break"
> (or perhaps, broken) has a time honored history with MBs in general and
> all too
> often.
>
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Re: [MBZ] '87 300D power steering vibration

[Marshall Booth]

Alex Chamberlain wrote:

Just to revive an old problem... I changed the PS filter and the fluid
(with Dave M.'s favorite Valvoline Semi-Synthetic PS fluid, since I
couldn't find Mobil 1 ATF on short notice), and the vibration is still
there, though somewhat lessened.

I still haven't changed the steering shock as Marshall suggested,
mostly because, though I think it's probably the original one with
nearly 200k mi and could stand changing, I can't see how it could
cause a symptom like this that is noticeably worse when the car is
cold.

I'm starting to worry that my PS pump is going to fail
catastrophically, lock up, and break the serpentine belt.  Is this a
real concern?  Should I put in a new pump preemptively ASAP ($375.85
from Rusty---yikes!), or will I be OK waiting until it gets worse
and/or I have some free time?


On 9/27/05, Alex Chamberlain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Thanks Kevin and Marshall.  I'll change the fluid and filter (think I
already have one I bought as a spare) and report back if it's still
doing it.

On 9/27/05, Kevin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


On Tue, Sep 27, 2005 at 12:01:25PM -0700, Alex Chamberlain wrote:


Lately on cold mornings my 300D is exhibiting a slight vibration when
turning the steering wheel, independent of road speed.  It feels
almost like the boost is coming and going at a constant rate of five
or ten Hz.  If this were an engine with separate accessory drive
belts, I'd immediately suspect a loose or slipping power steering
belt, but this is a 603 (with the one serpentine belt).  The PS fluid
level is right and the fluid itself looks and smells normal, although
I don't know when it was last changed, if ever.  Any other
suggestions?  Is my PS pump dying?


Probably the power steering filter needs replacing. I'd replace it sooner
than later (before it gets worse and cavitates the pump), especially since it's
cheap.

K





Alex Chamberlain
'87 300D Turbo


PS steering pump failures requiring replacements are quite rare. I can 
only find 3 or 4 references to replacing one in the more than half 
million problem reports I can access. I've NEVER had one fail myself. 
Are you SURE it's not a serp belt tensioner, lever, shock or idler 
problem or even the inside of the high pressure line collapsing (much 
more common than bad pump)?


Marshall
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Ass't Prof. (ret.)
Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine
Department of Pharmacology  1300 BST
Pittsburgh PA 15261 USA
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Re: [MBZ] '87 300D power steering vibration

[Alex Chamberlain]

Just to revive an old problem... I changed the PS filter and the fluid
(with Dave M.'s favorite Valvoline Semi-Synthetic PS fluid, since I
couldn't find Mobil 1 ATF on short notice), and the vibration is still
there, though somewhat lessened.

I still haven't changed the steering shock as Marshall suggested,
mostly because, though I think it's probably the original one with
nearly 200k mi and could stand changing, I can't see how it could
cause a symptom like this that is noticeably worse when the car is
cold.

I'm starting to worry that my PS pump is going to fail
catastrophically, lock up, and break the serpentine belt.  Is this a
real concern?  Should I put in a new pump preemptively ASAP ($375.85
from Rusty---yikes!), or will I be OK waiting until it gets worse
and/or I have some free time?


On 9/27/05, Alex Chamberlain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thanks Kevin and Marshall.  I'll change the fluid and filter (think I
> already have one I bought as a spare) and report back if it's still
> doing it.
>
> On 9/27/05, Kevin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Tue, Sep 27, 2005 at 12:01:25PM -0700, Alex Chamberlain wrote:
> > > Lately on cold mornings my 300D is exhibiting a slight vibration when
> > > turning the steering wheel, independent of road speed.  It feels
> > > almost like the boost is coming and going at a constant rate of five
> > > or ten Hz.  If this were an engine with separate accessory drive
> > > belts, I'd immediately suspect a loose or slipping power steering
> > > belt, but this is a 603 (with the one serpentine belt).  The PS fluid
> > > level is right and the fluid itself looks and smells normal, although
> > > I don't know when it was last changed, if ever.  Any other
> > > suggestions?  Is my PS pump dying?
> >
> > Probably the power steering filter needs replacing. I'd replace it sooner
> > than later (before it gets worse and cavitates the pump), especially since 
> > it's
> > cheap.
> >
> > K
> >
>

Alex Chamberlain
'87 300D Turbo

Re: [MBZ] Looking for engine - 1986 300SDL

[Marshall Booth]

Brian Smyla wrote:

Well, I've been told not to bother with a used head, since it's virtually
guaranteed to crack at some point due to a faulty design by MB.  A new
cylinder head of the redesigned casting variety is $1900 plus shipping, plus
I'll need to swap prechambers, etc..  I figure a used, low mileage engine
would hopefully come in under what I'd have to pay for the new head, etc..


Almost any used OM603.96 engine from a reliable warranted source will be 
$2500+ (and it will almost surely have a #14 head). A used #17 head can 
occasionally be had for $600-800 complete with prechambers, injectors, 
etc. A clean used #14 head will PROBABLY not crack if it's not already 
cracked. The cause of MOST of the cracks was the trap oxidizer and city 
driving. Once the trap is gone, NEW cracks rarely occur (but old cracks 
sometimes cause failures).


No matter what - the are NO guarantees.

Marshall
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Ass't Prof. (ret.)
Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine
Department of Pharmacology  1300 BST
Pittsburgh PA 15261 USA
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [MBZ] Battery replacement at the dealer

[ernest breakfield]

i wish i could find a dealer like that in the SF Bay Area; i've had a good
Indy find (and resolve) issues no less than 3 different dealers weren't
able to, and even had enough things done wrong to my vehicle at the last
dealership i took it to that the dealer ended up writing *me* a check
afterwards  ;-*


cheers!
e


'85 300D
Berkeley


> << If you drive into a Mercedes dealership the cost WILL be much higher as
> they WILL charge labor for installation.>>
>
> Perhaps in your end of the country. At my dealer, the service writers
> replace
> batteries, broken antenna masts and light bulbs for the parts cost only.
> Customers remember good service.
>
> When my C280's battery died over night, I was able to recharge it enough
> to
> get the car started and the service writer installed a new one right in
> front
> of his desk. No waiting.
>
> RLE/Seattle

Re: [MBZ] Looking for engine - 1986 300SDL

[Brian Smyla]

Well, I've been told not to bother with a used head, since it's virtually
guaranteed to crack at some point due to a faulty design by MB.  A new
cylinder head of the redesigned casting variety is $1900 plus shipping, plus
I'll need to swap prechambers, etc..  I figure a used, low mileage engine
would hopefully come in under what I'd have to pay for the new head, etc..

 

-brian

 

 

 

Brian Smyla wrote:

> I'm looking for an engine to replace the one in my 86 300SDL.  Cracked
head.

> Any pointers?

 

Just replace the head. A complete engine will be more to MUCH more 

expensive.

 

Marshall

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Re: [MBZ] Battery replacement at the dealer

[Marshall Booth]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
<< If you drive into a Mercedes dealership the cost WILL be much higher as 
they WILL charge labor for installation.>>


Perhaps in your end of the country. At my dealer, the service writers replace 
batteries, broken antenna masts and light bulbs for the parts cost only. 
Customers remember good service.


When my C280's battery died over night, I was able to recharge it enough to 
get the car started and the service writer installed a new one right in front 
of his desk. No waiting.


RLE/Seattle


That is what I wish the Mercedes dealers I've met were like (I knew one 
that was ALMOST that great), but it's rare that I've heard of a dealer 
in the last 20 years not charging at least flat rate (often much more) 
for the service they provide. Perhaps MOST owners don't bother to report 
generous service or maybe most dealers are more interested in today's 
dollar than next week's, month's or year's repeat customer.


Don't expect MOST MB dealers to install a battery in their shop free.

Marshall
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Ass't Prof. (ret.)
Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine
Department of Pharmacology  1300 BST
Pittsburgh PA 15261 USA
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

[MBZ] Battery replacement at the dealer

[RELNGSON]

<< If you drive into a Mercedes dealership the cost WILL be much higher as 
they WILL charge labor for installation.>>

Perhaps in your end of the country. At my dealer, the service writers replace 
batteries, broken antenna masts and light bulbs for the parts cost only. 
Customers remember good service.

When my C280's battery died over night, I was able to recharge it enough to 
get the car started and the service writer installed a new one right in front 
of his desk. No waiting.

RLE/Seattle

Re: [MBZ] Looking for engine - 1986 300SDL

[Dave M.]

Just replace the head, unless the bottom end is somehow damaged. If
you get a used engine, it is almost guaranteed to have another #14
head on it, which could crack in the future. Get a used #17 head, or a
new one.

=)

+dm

> --
> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 15:43:23 -0400
> From: "Brian Smyla" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [MBZ] Looking for engine - 1986 300SDL
>
> I'm looking for an engine to replace the one in my 86 300SDL.  Cracked head.
> Any pointers?
>
>
>
> -brian

Re: [MBZ] Trans fluid changes

[Marshall Booth]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

It's hard to match the joy of lying on your back under your MB (on four 
jackstands) with transmission fluid running down your arms, ruining your clothes 
and staining the driveway surface. 

I change my trans fluid with my Visa card, now. Some tings just ain't wuth 
it.


I'm with you! Maybe it's an age thing ;-)

Marshall
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Ass't Prof. (ret.)
Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine
Department of Pharmacology  1300 BST
Pittsburgh PA 15261 USA
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

[MBZ] Trans fluid changes

[RELNGSON]

<>

It's hard to match the joy of lying on your back under your MB (on four 
jackstands) with transmission fluid running down your arms, ruining your 
clothes 
and staining the driveway surface. 

I change my trans fluid with my Visa card, now. Some tings just ain't wuth 
it.

RLE/Seattle

[MBZ] Homo[hones

[RELNGSON]

<>

Homophones are often seen in Seattle's Capitol Hill district.

RLE

Re: [MBZ] Looking for engine - 1986 300SDL

[Marshall Booth]

Brian Smyla wrote:

I'm looking for an engine to replace the one in my 86 300SDL.  Cracked head.
Any pointers?


Just replace the head. A complete engine will be more to MUCH more 
expensive.


Marshall
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Ass't Prof. (ret.)
Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine
Department of Pharmacology  1300 BST
Pittsburgh PA 15261 USA
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [MBZ] Question about the 350SDL

[Marshall Booth]

dave walton wrote:

It is quite real. Personally, 100% of the rodbender engines I have
been exposed to (total of 1) had bent rods. Luckily a blown head
gasket gave me a chance to discover the problem before things got too
bad - I hope...

The only indication I had previous to that was a compression test. 425
psi for cylinder #1, 450-475 psi for all the others, as I recall.
Given that these cars can last for decades, I suspect that it is a
mater of when, not if.

Even with all the problems, I love my S350 and would not hesitate to
drop in a rebuilt engine for $5-8k if that's what it takes.


You can't depend on a compression test to diagnose a "rod bender." While 
Mercedes requires inter engine cylinder compression to be within 3 bar, 
at any given time the rings can line up to result in greater variability 
than that. By the time compression reliably reads low, the engine IS 
already damaged and is using excess oil (the oil wiper ring almost 
always fails before the compression rings fail when a rod bends). ALL 
the original engines are potential rodbenders and the ONLY way to assure 
they won't is to let MERCEDES rebuild the engine or buy a new one from them.


Marshall
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Ass't Prof. (ret.)
Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine
Department of Pharmacology  1300 BST
Pittsburgh PA 15261 USA
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [MBZ] Looking for engine - 1986 300SDL

[Kevin]

On Wed, Oct 12, 2005 at 03:43:23PM -0400, Brian Smyla wrote:
> I'm looking for an engine to replace the one in my 86 300SDL.  Cracked head.
> Any pointers?

If it's just the head, why not just replace the head? 

K

[MBZ] Looking for engine - 1986 300SDL

[Brian Smyla]

I'm looking for an engine to replace the one in my 86 300SDL.  Cracked head.
Any pointers?

 

-brian

 

Re: [MBZ] Question about the 350SDL

[dave walton]

It is quite real. Personally, 100% of the rodbender engines I have
been exposed to (total of 1) had bent rods. Luckily a blown head
gasket gave me a chance to discover the problem before things got too
bad - I hope...

The only indication I had previous to that was a compression test. 425
psi for cylinder #1, 450-475 psi for all the others, as I recall.
Given that these cars can last for decades, I suspect that it is a
mater of when, not if.

Even with all the problems, I love my S350 and would not hesitate to
drop in a rebuilt engine for $5-8k if that's what it takes.

-Dave Walton

94 S350
99 E300

On 10/12/05, Donald Snook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Listers,
>
>
>
> I know there has been some negative discussion about the 350SDLs.  I
> think several people have described them as rod-benders.  Is this as
> widespread and catastrophic as it sounds.  I know that the head problem
> on the 86-87 SDLs is less widespread than I thought.  I believe Marshall
> recently had some figures that show it is not as bad as some would have
> us believe. Many people have never had head problems.  Is this the same
> story with the 350SDLs.  I am looking at a 91 350SDL. I really like the
> fact that it is a later model and has a lot of updates.  Does anyone on
> the list have a 350 SDL (126 chassis)?  What is your experience?  I
> can't really afford to buy a car that will need a new engine in a short
> time (especially at the cost that these engines are going for).   Is
> there anything in particular to look for?
>
>
>
> Any advice is welcome.
>
>
>
> 90 300D 2.5 243K
>
>
>
> Donald H. Snook
>
> McDonald, Tinker, Skaer, Quinn & Herrington, P.A.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Question about the 350SDL

[Marshall Booth]

Donald Snook wrote:


I know there has been some negative discussion about the 350SDLs.  I
think several people have described them as rod-benders.  Is this as
widespread and catastrophic as it sounds.  I know that the head problem
on the 86-87 SDLs is less widespread than I thought.  I believe Marshall
recently had some figures that show it is not as bad as some would have
us believe. Many people have never had head problems.  Is this the same
story with the 350SDLs.  I am looking at a 91 350SDL. I really like the
fact that it is a later model and has a lot of updates.  Does anyone on
the list have a 350 SDL (126 chassis)?  What is your experience?  I
can't really afford to buy a car that will need a new engine in a short
time (especially at the cost that these engines are going for).   Is
there anything in particular to look for?  


The ORIGINAL OM603.97 engine is flawed. Close to half (by MY count) of 
the engines have already failed and have had to be REPLACED. They could 
NOT be repaired! The replacement engines (actually completely rebored, 
sleeved, rebuilt engine with many new and some redesigned parts) are 
just fine and seem to be delivering the same kind longevity that 
Mercedes diesels are known for. All of the original engines are flawed - 
it seems to have been a design problem - not just some bad parts in some 
engines. The ones that haven't failed, simply have not yet been 
subjected to the conditions that cause failure (but when the conditions 
occur, I'm convinced that the original engines WILL fail). If you find a 
126 or 140 3.5 liter diesel with a factory replacement engine, that 
solves the engine problem (it is NOT clear that aftermarket rebuilds 
solve the problem). All of the '90s "S" class cars suffered from AC 
evaporator failures and the W140s had biodegradable wiring harness 
problems. The late model 126 to some degree but especially the 140 
chassis car - is a HIGH maintenance cost car!


Marshall
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Ass't Prof. (ret.)
Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine
Department of Pharmacology  1300 BST
Pittsburgh PA 15261 USA
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Re: [MBZ] Break

[andrew strasfogel]

I'm tired of this cr*ppy discussion so I will just go and lay down...


 On 10/12/05, Rich Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Neither -- the break petal
>
> --R
>
> Mike Canfield wrote:
>
> >Would that be the flower petal or the brake pedal you are speaking of?
> >
> >LOL, Mike
> >- Original Message -
> >From: "Rich Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: "Mercedes mailing list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 7:04 PM
> >Subject: Re: [MBZ] Break
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>If you loose or brake your break petal you will not have a good day,
> >>have to get out the bike than peddle home.
> >>
> >>--R
> >>
> >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>Why do some insist on spelling "brake" as break? Certainly the word
> >>>"break"
> >>>(or perhaps, broken) has a time honored history with MBs in general and
> >>>all too
> >>>often.
> >>>
> >>>RLE/Seattle/nothing broken at the moment
> >>>
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Re: [MBZ] Speaking of batteries

[Marshall Booth]

Hans Neureiter wrote:

You will not get the needed Group 49 battery at Wally World.


Wal-Mart offers the following TWO batteries:

MERCEDES-BENZ
300SD
1985-1981 L5 3.0L

Brand Chosen: EverStart
Available at  WAL*MART_North
Part#   CCA Model SIZE

49-1850 HIGH POWER  49
49-11000HIGH POWER  49
This chart gives you the information you need to buy your battery. You 
can print your results and use the Store Locator to find the store 
closest to you.


Marshall
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Ass't Prof. (ret.)
Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine
Department of Pharmacology  1300 BST
Pittsburgh PA 15261 USA
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[MBZ] Question about the 350SDL

[Donald Snook]

Listers, 

 

I know there has been some negative discussion about the 350SDLs.  I
think several people have described them as rod-benders.  Is this as
widespread and catastrophic as it sounds.  I know that the head problem
on the 86-87 SDLs is less widespread than I thought.  I believe Marshall
recently had some figures that show it is not as bad as some would have
us believe. Many people have never had head problems.  Is this the same
story with the 350SDLs.  I am looking at a 91 350SDL. I really like the
fact that it is a later model and has a lot of updates.  Does anyone on
the list have a 350 SDL (126 chassis)?  What is your experience?  I
can't really afford to buy a car that will need a new engine in a short
time (especially at the cost that these engines are going for).   Is
there anything in particular to look for?  

 

Any advice is welcome. 

 

90 300D 2.5 243K

 

Donald H. Snook

McDonald, Tinker, Skaer, Quinn & Herrington, P.A. 

 

Re: [MBZ] Clunk in drivetrain, help

[Marshall Booth]

Hans Neureiter wrote:

I have the same happen on my '82 300SD. Only happens when the tranny shifts
into first coming to a stop. Its doing this ever I had the car and doesn't
seem to get any worse.


That is OFTEN caused by the transmission mount having collapsed!

Marshall
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Ass't Prof. (ret.)
Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine
Department of Pharmacology  1300 BST
Pittsburgh PA 15261 USA
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [MBZ] Consumers Reports battery ratings

[Marshall Booth]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
ha! mercedes batteries, just a over priced battery with a cheap mercedes paper label 
 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Consumers Reports battery ratings
 
what are we  i cant believeth it  i would have thought  we  HAD  to 

use only mercedes benz battery's  
you know some ppl in this group 
collins  


WHY?

Marshall
 

WELL.  there is ALLWAYS the  prolonged  discourse regarding the following 
things

a break fluid!
b transmission fluid!
c air conditioner refrigerant!
d air conditioner compressors! 
e automotive glass!

f wheel bearing torque !
g wheel bearing grease!
h godonlyknowswhatelse!
I i am surprised  there have been no howls of protest no out rage !!!  using 
a non  MERCEDES BATTERY!?!!?( GASP), oh the humanity!
 
ps since no one has raised it does mercedes makewindshield washer 
fluid ??? and will pep boys stuff work in a 500  sec
 
ahh let the diatribe begin!


Myth, heresy, ignorance, rumor, carelessness, inattention!

Mercedes labeled batteries are FINE batteries. They also cost about the 
same as the DieHard Internationals and the top of the line Interstates 
(all are made by Johnson Controls and are of about the same quality and 
have a history of giving about equal service everything else being 
equal). The Johnson Control's batteries sold by Wal-Mart, Costco, 
Advance Auto, Pep Boys, Auto Zone, etc have about the same recent 
history of service and are from 20-50% less expensive. A Mercedes 
battery is not remotely a bad battery, just a fairly expensive one. A 
Mercedes battery MAY end up being an inexpensive alternative if you are 
stuck with a dead battery in the middle of nowhere. You can call 
Mercedes and they will bring you a new battery. They will NOT charge for 
the roadside installation or the service call - only the list price for 
the battery. That CAN be much cheaper than some of the alternatives. If 
you drive into a Mercedes dealership the cost WILL be much higher as 
they WILL charge labor for installation.


SOME Mercedes products are GREAT values and some are unique. The was 
nothing like Mercedes anti-freeze available in the US until a few years 
ago and EVERYTHING else was quite inferior. Now Zerex G05 is available 
and is identical (Valvoline is using the Mercedes formula). You can use 
either, but be sure to change it every few years. Then there is Mercedes 
sunroof grease. NOTHING else will do the job properly. Some Mercedes 
products are GREAT values (rebuilt water pumps and rear wheel bearing 
repair kits used to be great bargains) and are often cheaper than 
aftermarket replacements. Some Mercedes parts are ONLY available from 
the factory (try and find an aftermarket radiator or exhaust system for 
a 190D 2.5 turbo in the US). Some aftermarket products have NEVER met 
Mercedes standards (use NOTHING but Mercedes pistons and cams). How many 
US makers can supply almost any part for a 30+ year old car within a few 
days. The pricing policies of a few dealerships (selling parts at 25% to 
200% suggested list) make NOTHING they sell much of a value.


Mercedes does NOT require that you use Mercedes brake fluid - just 
DOT-4+ changed at least every 2 years. They permit almost any 
Mercon/Dexron rated transmission fluid for all the 722.1, .2, .3, .4 
transmissions (maybe .5 as well - not sure). The newer 722.6 series does 
require Mercedes specific fluid that's QUITE expensive, but it lasts 
2-4X as long as conventional fluid. There is NO specific for refrigerant 
(the US government regulates refrigerant). Mercedes factory glass MUST 
meet certain European standards to be used in a car in Europe (it used 
to be quite a bit "softer" - not sure about now). Those standards were 
quite different than those imposed by the US, so the glass used had to 
meet BOTH standards. The replacement glass available from dealers in the 
US now, need only meet US standards.


You can of course tighten your wheel bearings any way you choose, but if 
you don't service and tighten them the way Mercedes suggests, they are 
unlikely to last the life of the car (many last 400-500kmi or more if 
maintained as Mercedes suggests) and the car will NOT drive like a 
Mercedes (usually more like OLD, beat Chevy). As to Wheel bearing 
grease, the grease approved for Mercedes built before the mid '80s (a 
Shell product) was grease formulated and certified for use in a specific 
US fighter plane (may have been the F-15). For cars built after the mid 
'80s, a synthetic grease is all that's been approved. There are many 
greases that will meet the specification, but few are packaged in 
precisely the correct amounts as the Mercedes product is and few 
mechanics, much less DIYers have scales to weigh out the proper 
quantities as is required for proper application. The design of the 
bearing assembly and the grease specifications allowed the grease to be 
pumped thru the bearing assembly as long as the proper quantities were 
loaded into the correct com

Re: [MBZ] Break

[Rich Thomas]

Neither -- the break petal

--R

Mike Canfield wrote:


Would that be the flower petal or the brake pedal you are speaking of?

LOL, Mike
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Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 7:04 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Break


 


If you loose or brake your break petal you will not have a good day,
have to get out the bike than peddle home.

--R

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   

Why do some insist on spelling "brake" as break? Certainly the word 
"break"
(or perhaps, broken) has a time honored history with MBs in general and 
all too

often.

RLE/Seattle/nothing broken at the moment

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Re: [MBZ] B2 Piston Failure

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

no

B Dike wrote:


Thanks Barry.  Can the B2 band be replaced w/o
dismantling the tranny?  


Bruce


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Re: [MBZ] Speaking of batteries

[Hans Neureiter]

You will not get the needed Group 49 battery at Wally World.

On 10/10/05, Steve MacSween <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I will shortly be purchasing not one, but TWO for diesels.
>
> Someone remind me what group I need for an OM617? I doubt they list it in
> the Wal Mart isle ;-).
>
> Mac
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Re: [MBZ] Clunk in drivetrain, help

[Hans Neureiter]

I have the same happen on my '82 300SD. Only happens when the tranny shifts
into first coming to a stop. Its doing this ever I had the car and doesn't
seem to get any worse.

On 10/10/05, Mike Piles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On my 1985 300SD I have an unidentified "clunk" in the drivetrain. Here's
> the scenario, your driving down the street let's say at 35mph. When you let
> off the accelerator you get the "clunk". Any ideas?
>
> Thanks
>
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Re: [MBZ] mbz.org alive?

[Hans Neureiter]

No Mail Lists, though.

On 10/11/05, George Gregory <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> If that's working I guess richarde is back from vacation.
> Either that or Rusty gave him a raise
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> Subject: [MBZ] mbz.org  alive?
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Re: [MBZ] paint damages

[Hans Neureiter]

Looks just like mine, same color, exept my clearcoat looks wors and it took
several years since the car had to park outdoors.
You are in Houston, are you. UV is high and the air is not the cleanest.

 On 10/11/05, Constantine N. Polites <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> For those who believe in Murphy's law.. here are some photographs of my
> recent encounter with a discharge of sulfuric dioxide
> (which became sulfuric acid when it encountered the rain). On Saturday
> night I was driving past a local refinery when I smelled
> sulfuric acid and thought nothing of it, after all EPA is asleep on
> weekends.
>
> Sunday I discovered the damages. I did bring it to the attention of the
> refinery's general counsel, and will attempt to recover
> my costs.
>
> See: www.scaffolding.com/damages 
>
> Constantine
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Re: [MBZ] OT: A guy can dream can't he?

[Mike Canfield]

If you are doing the repairs yourself then the cost to fix the MB is 
generally no more than any other vehicle especially considerring the 
frequency of needed repairs(on avarage of course) between the two.


 I guess if you are paying a mechanic you could be in for trouble but the 
"Good ole boys"  around here aren't afraid of a Benzjust wrenchin is 
all, no matter what you're wrenchin on.


Mike
- Original Message - 
From: "Ed Booher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes mailing list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 7:36 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: A guy can dream can't he?



On 10/11/05, Trampas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Let me tell you a story...

I once got a Caravan really cheap only a few years old with a 2.6L 4 
banger
Mitsu engine. I got it cheap because the head was cracked. New head and 
off

and running, well head cracked again, and again...


The problem with any and all of the 4 cyl vans was that they were
putting an engine rated for a small sedan/coupe (ala the Horizon /
Mirage) and putting it in a vehicle easily twice the weight, sometimes
three times the weight and expecting that to be ok.

Finally a friend of mine had a totaled 3.8L V6 caravan, so I swapped 
engine,
transmission, computers etc. Then I had a nicer caravan. But it did not 
have

power anything so I put power seats, windows, door locks, etc. So now you
know what I had, that is right a POS caravan.


Hey, a POS caravan beats a POS Metro pretty much any day of the week,
right? Especially when you give the Metro it's engine back and put a
V6 between the frame rails.

My lesson was that it takes the same amount of money to fix a POS as it 
does

a nice W126. So now I drive W126's and not a caravan.


While I do not discredit your desire to be in a W126, it's hard to say
that the amount of money to fix the Caravan is equal to the amount of
money to fix the MB. Especially when taking into consideration the
amount of "Good ol' Boys" throughout the Midwest and South that just
know more about a "`Merican" vehicle. Even if that American vehicle
was built in Mexico and has a Japanese engine in it. It is truly hard
to find a *good* mechanic for a MB, which is why this list exists in
the first place.


Regards,
Trampas



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Re: [MBZ] OT: A guy can dream can't he?

[Mike Canfield]

This is getting way too complicated here..Knurling the valve guides 
simply refers to making marks, or gouges on the outside of the guide in 
order to make it fit tighter into the head therefore it stays in place and 
does not allow oil past.  No complicated metalurgy involved.


Mike
- Original Message - 
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 12:54 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: A guy can dream can't he?


Knurling is actually a machining process that raises the metal and leaves 
sort of a bumpy cross hatch surface. Sometimes its used to recondition 
used pistons and valves instead of replacing with new. Knurling only works 
when the wear is not excessive and the used part is within wear specs and 
there are no cracks in the metal


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-Original Message-
From: Marshall Booth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Mercedes mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 17:28:46 -0400
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: A guy can dream can't he?


Ed Booher wrote:

And what, exactly, is a Knurl, kind Sir?

On 10/11/05, Trampas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Knurling the valve guides fixed problem...

Regards,
Trampas


That which is performed by a knurler! Becoming a lost art! May soon soon
become only a legend along with viking, alchemist and truthful politician.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: A guy can dream can't he?

[Ed Booher]

On 10/11/05, Trampas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Let me tell you a story...
>
> I once got a Caravan really cheap only a few years old with a 2.6L 4 banger
> Mitsu engine. I got it cheap because the head was cracked. New head and off
> and running, well head cracked again, and again...

The problem with any and all of the 4 cyl vans was that they were
putting an engine rated for a small sedan/coupe (ala the Horizon /
Mirage) and putting it in a vehicle easily twice the weight, sometimes
three times the weight and expecting that to be ok.

> Finally a friend of mine had a totaled 3.8L V6 caravan, so I swapped engine,
> transmission, computers etc. Then I had a nicer caravan. But it did not have
> power anything so I put power seats, windows, door locks, etc. So now you
> know what I had, that is right a POS caravan.

Hey, a POS caravan beats a POS Metro pretty much any day of the week,
right? Especially when you give the Metro it's engine back and put a
V6 between the frame rails.

> My lesson was that it takes the same amount of money to fix a POS as it does
> a nice W126. So now I drive W126's and not a caravan.

While I do not discredit your desire to be in a W126, it's hard to say
that the amount of money to fix the Caravan is equal to the amount of
money to fix the MB. Especially when taking into consideration the
amount of "Good ol' Boys" throughout the Midwest and South that just
know more about a "`Merican" vehicle. Even if that American vehicle
was built in Mexico and has a Japanese engine in it. It is truly hard
to find a *good* mechanic for a MB, which is why this list exists in
the first place.

> Regards,
> Trampas


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[MBZ] Paint damage

[BillR]

For those who believe in Murphy's law.. here are some photographs of my
recent encounter with a discharge of sulfuric dioxide (which became sulfuric
acid when it encountered the rain).  On Saturday night I was driving past a
local refinery when I smelled sulfuric acid and thought nothing of it, after
all EPA is asleep on weekends.

Sunday I discovered the damages.  I did bring it to the attention of the
refinery's general counsel, and will attempt to recover my costs.

See:  www.scaffolding.com/damages

Constantine

Joe Bl...  err   Constantine, have you noticed a small black cloud following
you around?

BillR
Jacksonville  FL  
1981 300SD  EM  265K / hoping that cloud has left the engine compartment of
my 300SD

Re: [MBZ] Lucent?

[Bob DuPuy]

There must be something wrong with me for taking the bait over and over but..,
How about banning DDT to make do gooders feel good about themselves?
When in reality many of the problems ascribed to DDT are not supported
by scientific facts. It is a very effective persistent pesticide that
costs pennies to make. Hundreds of thousands of lives lost to malaria
could be saved in developing countries by limited annual spraying.
Since a world wide ban on DDT is the first victory of the green peace
Nazis the ban remains enshrined at the UN and nothing will budge it.
One more example of the liberal elite doing something to make
themselves feel good while screwing the people they claim to
represent.

Bob DuPuy

PS. I swear I'll lay off this political crap now and ask only
questions about diesels. I like all of you too much to risk causing
more trouble

On 10/11/05, Bill Gallagher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> During the early 50's it was discovered that lead is very bad health
> issue to the general population and especially children during their
> development  all sorts of health problem where well know .. with
> many years of struggle and talk, finally in the early 1980's lead was
> banned in many products from paints to gasoline  thirty years from
> discovery, to talking and finally a solution .the number of deaths,
> suffering, and handicaps is not well documented, but estimates are huge
> .and I am not talking about just in the US but world wide  for
> example, estimates of tobacco deaths over the last 125 years is about
> billion people world wide and it's still allowed to sell death 
>Humans can't live in certain types of environments, and it takes a
> long, long, time when the majority agree that a certain chemical is bad
>  we are still going through the process to finalize on a agreeable
> solution and as in a lot of cases, science is not embraced .
>Nothing to do with poor or rich issues like those talk shows
> Americans accept the evil side of industrialization  not much
> protest except from the green peace type people .they see red flays
> flying plentifully 
>
> Bill
> 1981 300 TD
>
>

Re: [MBZ] paint damages

[JFreezn]

 


>For  those who believe in Murphy's law.. here are some photographs of my  
>recent encounter with a discharge of sulfuric dioxide
>(which  became sulfuric acid when it encountered the rain).  On Saturday  
>night I was driving past a local refinery when I  smelled
>sulfuric acid and thought nothing of it, after all EPA is  asleep on 
>weekends.
>
>Sunday I discovered the  damages.  I did bring it to the attention of the 
>refinery's  general counsel, and will attempt to recover
>my  costs.
>
>See:   www.scaffolding.com/damages
>
>Constantine



Constantine,
 
Not making light of your paint damage but I have been trying to remove the  
cracked lacquer on my climate control wood panel.for two days.  I think I  need 
to know if the stuff that got to your paint is available  commercially.
 
I hope they 'fess up!
 
Regards,  

Jim  Friesen
Phoenix AZ
79 300SD, 261 K miles 
98 ML 320, 138 K  miles

Re: [MBZ] paint damages

[Russ Maki]

Constantine N. Polites wrote:

For those who believe in Murphy's law.. here are some photographs of my 
recent encounter with a discharge of sulfuric dioxide
(which became sulfuric acid when it encountered the rain).  On Saturday 
night I was driving past a local refinery when I smelled
sulfuric acid and thought nothing of it, after all EPA is asleep on 
weekends.


Sunday I discovered the damages.  I did bring it to the attention of the 
refinery's general counsel, and will attempt to recover

my costs.

See:  www.scaffolding.com/damages

Constantine
 

The paint damage was that instant? Wow. I've seen some paint damage from 
particulate foundry emissions but nothing like that.


If the refinery doesn't cough up to your satisfaction, may I suggest you 
file a small-claims suit and take your case to the local media. Once you 
have your damage documented in a legal forum, the newshounds will have 
something to sink their teeth into. But you'll need to point it out to 
them if you want action.  Call 'em up, ask for their environmental 
reporter/editor, and make your case. Tell them you have a lawsuit on 
file, and tell them where it is.


You might also get an environmental activist agency on your side if you 
can, first to name-drop to the paper/TV station -- but also, if there 
are any class-action suits around, the tree-huggers are likely to know 
about them.


I'd go to the metro daily paper first -- from my admittedly limited 
geographic experience, almost all local news flows from them.


  If the daily paper doesn't bite immediately, look for an alternative 
weekly. They eat this stuff up but don't have the clout of the daily 
press. You might also approach the consumer affairs reporters at local 
TV stations. Obviously, you want the biggest local station involved if 
possible.


Once you get a committed advocate in any medium, stick by them -- unless 
a bigger patron comes along!


Good luck

Russ Maki

Re: [MBZ] Consumers Reports battery ratings

[PONDERSOA]

 
my point exzactly
 
collins 1985 500 sec
 
 
In a message dated 10/12/2005 1:43:46 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

ha!  mercedes batteries, just a over priced battery with a cheap mercedes 
paper  label 

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72 350SL   108,000  Miles
2004 VW Passat 4 Motion
1999 Mazda Miata

Re: [MBZ] Consumers Reports battery ratings

[mykd1]

ha! mercedes batteries, just a over priced battery with a cheap mercedes paper 
label 
 
69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles
72 350SL   108,000 Miles
2004 VW Passat 4 Motion
1999 Mazda Miata   
 
 
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 01:33:48 EDT
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Consumers Reports battery ratings


what are we  i cant believeth it  i would have thought  we  HAD  to 
> use only mercedes benz battery's  
>  you know some ppl in this group 
> collins  


WHY?

Marshall
 

WELL.  there is ALLWAYS the  prolonged  discourse regarding the following 
things
a break fluid!
b transmission fluid!
c air conditioner refrigerant!
d air conditioner compressors! 
e automotive glass!
f wheel bearing torque !
g wheel bearing grease!
h godonlyknowswhatelse!
I i am surprised  there have been no howls of protest no out rage !!!  using 
a non  MERCEDES BATTERY!?!!?( GASP), oh the humanity!
 
ps since no one has raised it does mercedes makewindshield washer 
fluid ??? and will pep boys stuff work in a 500  sec
 
ahh let the diatribe begin!
 
collins 
1985 500 sec
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Re: [MBZ] B2 Piston Failure

[B Dike]

Thanks Barry.  Can the B2 band be replaced w/o
dismantling the tranny?  

Bruce

--- Barry Stark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Bruce -
> The only quick test is the B2 only controls forward
> gears, it should still
> have reverse. OTOH, he did say it went bang when it
> quit. I'm guessing it
> may more likely be the B2 band that broke, not the
> piston.
> 
> Barry
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of B
> Dike
> Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 11:13 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [MBZ] B2 Piston Failure
> 
> 
> http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/103011770.html
> 
> Daughter needs a car.  It might be worthwhile if
> it's
> only a B2 piston...is there a simple way to check?
> 
> Bruce
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: A guy can dream can't he?

[mykd1]

Knurling is actually a machining process that raises the metal and leaves sort 
of a bumpy cross hatch surface. Sometimes its used to recondition used pistons 
and valves instead of replacing with new. Knurling only works when the wear is 
not excessive and the used part is within wear specs and there are no cracks in 
the metal
 
69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles
72 350SL   108,000 Miles
2004 VW Passat 4 Motion
1999 Mazda Miata   
 
 
-Original Message-
From: Marshall Booth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Mercedes mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 17:28:46 -0400
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: A guy can dream can't he?


Ed Booher wrote:
> And what, exactly, is a Knurl, kind Sir?
> 
> On 10/11/05, Trampas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>>Knurling the valve guides fixed problem...
>>
>>Regards,
>>Trampas

That which is performed by a knurler! Becoming a lost art! May soon soon 
become only a legend along with viking, alchemist and truthful politician.

Marshall
-- 
Marshall Booth Ph.D.
Ass't Prof. (ret.)
Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine
Department of Pharmacology  1300 BST
Pittsburgh PA 15261 USA
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Re: [MBZ] paint damages

[Craig McCluskey]

On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 20:51:55 -0400 "Constantine N. Polites"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Sunday I discovered the damages.  I did bring it to the attention of the
> refinery's general counsel, and will attempt to recover
> my costs.
> 
> See:  www.scaffolding.com/damages

May you be successful. Did the sulphuric acid cause you any respiratory
difficulties?


Craig

Re: [MBZ] mbz.org alive?

[George Gregory]

If that's working I guess richarde is back from vacation.
Either that or Rusty gave him a raise

 
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 4:48 PM
To: mercedes list
Subject: [MBZ] mbz.org alive?

http://mbz.org/info/articles/

Re: [MBZ] Lucent?

[Bill Gallagher]

During the early 50's it was discovered that lead is very bad health 
issue to the general population and especially children during their 
development  all sorts of health problem where well know .. with 
many years of struggle and talk, finally in the early 1980's lead was 
banned in many products from paints to gasoline  thirty years from 
discovery, to talking and finally a solution .the number of deaths, 
suffering, and handicaps is not well documented, but estimates are huge 
.and I am not talking about just in the US but world wide  for 
example, estimates of tobacco deaths over the last 125 years is about 
billion people world wide and it's still allowed to sell death 
   Humans can't live in certain types of environments, and it takes a 
long, long, time when the majority agree that a certain chemical is bad 
 we are still going through the process to finalize on a agreeable 
solution and as in a lot of cases, science is not embraced .
   Nothing to do with poor or rich issues like those talk shows 
Americans accept the evil side of industrialization  not much 
protest except from the green peace type people .they see red flays 
flying plentifully 


Bill
1981 300 TD


David Brodbeck wrote:


Bob DuPuy wrote:
 


Then special interest lobbyists get legislation passed that
makes it hard to impossible to build nuclear power plants or
refineries and the public is coned into blaming the evil rich for a
lack of clean affordable energy.

   



After the number of refinery explosions Texas has had in the last few 
years, I don't blame people for not wanting to live next to one.  Maybe 
the industry should clean up its act and its safety record if it wants 
to be viewed positively.  I guess it's cheaper to just buy lax 
regulation with campaign contributions, though.


As for nuclear power, I'm all for it as soon as we have somewhere to put 
the waste.  Although...nuclear power is subsidized to a degree that most 
industries can only dream of.  It's not clear to me that it's at all 
economically viable.  I've heard it argued before that a free market 
would never choose nuclear fission power.  I think "free-market" 
conservatives only support it because they know it ticks off 
environmentalists. ;)



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Re: [MBZ] paint damages

[Bill Gallagher]

Looking at the pictures, makes me think what will happen when people 
breath in the sulfuric vapors with moisture in the air .
I would raise the bar, local papers, green peace and the rest ... 
beware, a lot of people want a small federal gov and therefore, epa will 
not pay the cost to monitor . problem is up to the citizen .and 
a lot of people think whom complains about corporations are *9h21)*5  
types ...


Bill
1981 300 TD
p.s. hope that crap will blow to other parts not Boston area

Constantine N. Polites wrote:

For those who believe in Murphy's law.. here are some photographs of my 
recent encounter with a discharge of sulfuric dioxide
(which became sulfuric acid when it encountered the rain).  On Saturday 
night I was driving past a local refinery when I smelled
sulfuric acid and thought nothing of it, after all EPA is asleep on 
weekends.


Sunday I discovered the damages.  I did bring it to the attention of the 
refinery's general counsel, and will attempt to recover

my costs.

See:  www.scaffolding.com/damages

Constantine


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Re: [MBZ] Clunk in drivetrain, help

[Bill Gallagher]

General principal on wear: Parts are manufactured to within a certain 
tolerance. For example, a ball is manufactured to be 2" diameter within 
a tolerance of +- .01 ... the CNN machine does it cutting and the part 
is passed on to quality control to check the part is within tolerance... 
if it is, the part is installed into you car . over the years wear 
is subjected to the ball because oil, natural or others, does not allow 
friction to be zerofriction wears the ball down to let's say a 
diameter of 1.90 . now the gap between the ball and the other part 
has increased  this increase between the parts cause all sorts of 
problems from noise to complete destruction of the ball causing other 
parts to be trashed  a change reaction This principal can be 
applies to auto parts wear to wear in the joints of the human body .
   In the case of disk flex issue, since the forces applied to the disk 
are rotational in nature, the wear is caused by rotational forces  
moving the drive shaft back and forth by hand will cause, hopefully 
enough torque, to make the noise indicating a worn disk, maybe a bolt 
head will move slightly, or the connection to the ends of the disk 
itself will not rotate together.. in other words  the drive shaft and 
rear end  does not move together
   I have rear end noise in my 300 TD from time to time, fixed the 
bumper, all the mounts were lacking, and the side fender was flapping, 
and the only noise left is, I think the rear disk ... maybe tomorrow, I 
check the play in the drive shave, should be none when rotated ... be 
sure to have the emergency brake set, blocks on front wheel as a safety 
issue, and trans in neutral to take off the pressure on the shaft 
..hope I don't have to make the rear wheels see air..


Bill
1981 300 TD


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

In a message dated 10/11/2005 11:00:21 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 

it's your rear flex disk...very common...it progressively gets worse 
   


over<<<
 


time...mine needs to be replaced as well.<<<
   

What should I look for when I check my rear flex plate? How will I know that 
it is bad?





Thank you, Jay 
95 MB E300D 93K The new baby

83 MB 300D 241K The silver coffin
99 Mercury Sable wagon 24 valve 86K 
Cannondale SR500

Allentown,Pa.
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[MBZ] stupid diesel tricks

[Mitch Haley]

http://www.mercedesshop.com/shopforum/showthread.php3?t=136682

[MBZ] FW: Today's Diesel Prices

[Tom Hargrave]

 


Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
256-656-1924
www.kegkits.com

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  On-highway diesel prices, by week and PADD
(Self Service Cash Price in Dollars per Gallon, Including Taxes)

Diesel Prices Web URL:
http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/oog/info/wohdp/diesel.asp   


  US

 NATL  EASTNEWCENTLOWER   GULF   ROCKY   WEST

 DATEAVG   COAST ENGLAND   ATL ATL   MIDWEST  COAST   MTN   COAST
CA  

   PADD   PADDPADDPADDPADDPADDPADD   PADD

 I IA  IB  IC  II III  IV V

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051010  3.150  3.160  2.947   2.990   3.252   3.123   3.182  3.143  3.167
3.240
051003  3.144  3.198  3.012   3.040   3.283   3.083   3.185  3.079  3.174
3.262
050926  2.798  2.808  2.859   2.875   2.775   2.739   2.756  2.938  2.978
3.031
050919  2.732  2.749  2.804   2.846   2.702   2.648   2.677  2.902  2.985
3.060
050912  2.847  2.849  2.920   2.935   2.806   2.782   2.797  2.957  3.093
3.158
050905  2.898  2.900  2.977   2.993   2.853   2.843   2.833  2.976  3.149
3.250
050829  2.590  2.564  2.649   2.654   2.518   2.532   2.508  2.726  2.920
3.045
050822  2.588  2.564  2.642   2.654   2.519   2.540   2.512  2.679  2.897
3.037
050815  2.567  2.544  2.618   2.633   2.499   2.524   2.481  2.615  2.891
3.042
050808  2.407  2.386  2.492   2.484   2.334   2.336   2.323  2.486  2.801
2.943
050801  2.348  2.356  2.488   2.465   2.297   2.292   2.279  2.421  2.594
2.657
050725  2.342  2.365  2.508   2.481   2.303   2.292   2.278  2.405  2.530
2.578
050718  2.392  2.412  2.535   2.521   2.354   2.361   2.331  2.430  2.530
2.589
050711  2.408  2.427  2.533   2.524   2.377   2.384   2.355  2.408  2.526
2.589
050704  2.348  2.370  2.485   2.475   2.315   2.328   2.290  2.328  2.467
2.554
050627  2.336  2.368  2.476   2.461   2.318   2.314   2.288  2.288  2.433
2.522
050620  2.313  2.348  2.442   2.451   2.296   2.294   2.274  2.236  2.391
2.476
050613  2.276  2.308  2.399   2.399   2.261   2.248   2.247  2.210  2.364
2.457
050606  2.234  2.263  2.353   2.343   2.221   2.198   2.213  2.191  2.339
2.421
050530  2.160  2.188  2.320   2.284   2.134   2.111   2.117  2.179  2.317
2.367
050523  2.156  2.181  2.338   2.292   2.119   2.097   2.112  2.207  2.339
2.373
050516  2.189  2.204  2.380   2.315   2.141   2.129   2.141  2.267  2.397
2.432
050509  2.227  2.237  2.389   2.342   2.179   2.157   2.173  2.318  2.481
2.518
050502  2.262  2.264  2.410   2.366   2.207   2.194   2.209  2.355  2.530
2.561
050425  2.289  2.287  2.413   2.382   2.234   2.230   2.231  2.371  2.549
2.570
050418  2.259  2.260  2.418   2.373   2.197   2.194   2.180  2.379  2.554
2.582
050411  2.316  2.306  2.434   2.423   2.244   2.263   2.251  2.399  2.585
2.625
050404  2.303  2.299  2.427   2.412   2.238   2.258   2.240  2.361  2.541
2.581
050328  2.249  2.248  2.374   2.360   2.189   2.203   2.182  2.326  2.483
2.512
050321  2.244  2.245  2.355   2.358   2.186   2.196   2.180  2.313  2.471
2.482
050314  2.194  2.197  2.320   2.309   2.137   2.140   2.130  2.260  2.442
2.418
050307  2.168  2.163  2.288   2.280   2.102   2.113   2.100  2.229  2.450
2.408
050228  2.118  2.117  2.241   2.233   2.056   2.064   2.035  2.174  2.412
2.376
050221  2.020  2.027  2.198   2.154   1.957   1.953   1.943  2.087  2.321
2.259
050214  1.986  2.013  2.197   2.150   1.938   1.935   1.915  2.011  2.190
2.196
050207  1.983  2.025  2.222   2.159   1.950   1.938   1.938  1.967  2.113
2.144
050131  1.992  2.048  2.225   2.172   1.979   1.954   1.940  1.946  2.085
2.126
050124  1.959  2.014  2.180   2.140   1.945   1.928   1.919  1.884  2.027
2.068
050117  1.952  2.009  2.168   2.127   1.944   1.928   1.908  1.877  2.001
2.023
050110  1.934  1.999  2.163   2.133   1.926   1.911   1.876  1.877  1.973
2.014
050103  1.957  2.025  2.180   2.163   1.952   1.929   1.887  1.934  2.011
2.063
041227  1.987  2.045  2.196   2.161   1.982   1.959   1.928  1.961  2.040
2.097
041220  1.984  2.052

Re: [MBZ] Break

[LT Don]

The homophones are still around ... I remember their voting record in the
last election.

On 10/11/05, Dave M. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Apparently schools stopped teaching homophones about 10-15 years ago?
> Another popular one is lose vs. loose...
>
> *sigh*
>
> -dm
>
>
> > --
> > Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 16:27:24 EDT
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: [MBZ] Break
> >
> > Why do some insist on spelling "brake" as break? Certainly the word
> "break"
> > (or perhaps, broken) has a time honored history with MBs in general and
> all too
> > often.
> >
> > RLE/Seattle/nothing broken at the moment
>
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Re: [MBZ] Break

[Chuck Landenberger]

All are more just visual evidence of "ignorance in action".  And  
"they" just blithely go their merry way!


Chuck
Phoenix
On Oct 11, 2005, at 2:27 PM, Dave M. wrote:


Apparently schools stopped teaching homophones about 10-15 years ago?
Another popular one is lose vs. loose...

*sigh*

-dm




--
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 16:27:24 EDT
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [MBZ] Break

Why do some insist on spelling "brake" as break? Certainly the  
word "break"
(or perhaps, broken) has a time honored history with MBs in  
general and all too

often.

RLE/Seattle/nothing broken at the moment



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[MBZ] paint damages

[Constantine N. Polites]

For those who believe in Murphy's law.. here are some photographs of my 
recent encounter with a discharge of sulfuric dioxide
(which became sulfuric acid when it encountered the rain).  On Saturday 
night I was driving past a local refinery when I smelled
sulfuric acid and thought nothing of it, after all EPA is asleep on 
weekends.


Sunday I discovered the damages.  I did bring it to the attention of the 
refinery's general counsel, and will attempt to recover

my costs.

See:  www.scaffolding.com/damages

Constantine

Re: [MBZ] Transmission Fluid

[Marshall Booth]

Kerr Tung wrote:

Hi Marshall,
 
What method do you suggest to use to get under the car to do the job w/o a lift or a grease-pit? I used a pair of floor jacks and a creeper and had to give up because I only had 5-6 inches between my face and the car bottom.
 


Ramps or jack stands work, BUT changing transmission fluid on a Mercedes 
is a MESSY job even with a pit or lift!


Marshall
--
Marshall Booth Ph.D.
Ass't Prof. (ret.)
Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine
Department of Pharmacology  1300 BST
Pittsburgh PA 15261 USA
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Re: [MBZ] OT: A guy can dream can't he?

[Don & Teresa Merriman]

Osss, my screw up.

On 10/11/05, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Don & Teresa Merriman wrote:
> >
> > Knurling the valve guides is a used car lot repair. There are some old
> > arguments about the groves left in the guide from knurling holds more
> oil
> > for good lubrication, not in a cast iron guide, knurling fractures the
> metal
> > about .005 deep for rapid wear.
>
> It sounded like Trampas was talking about knurling the OUTSIDE of the
> guide
> to keep it from falling loose from the head.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: A guy can dream can't he?

[Trampas]

It was the outside of the guide. It may have been the correct repair but it
worked for remainder of the life of the vehicles, which was about another
50-70k miles. 

Regards,
Trampas 
  
 

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: A guy can dream can't he?

Don & Teresa Merriman wrote:
> 
> Knurling the valve guides is a used car lot repair. There are some old
> arguments about the groves left in the guide from knurling holds more oil
> for good lubrication, not in a cast iron guide, knurling fractures the
metal
> about .005 deep for rapid wear.

It sounded like Trampas was talking about knurling the OUTSIDE of the guide
to keep it from falling loose from the head.

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