[MBZ] OT - Comair crash

[wilton strickland]

Has takeoff heading become unimportant?  What happened to pausing after
taking runway and before applying takeoff power to check heading, reset
heading gyro as necessary, etc?  Runway 22, aircraft magnetic heading should
be 220.  Runway 26, aircraft mag heading = 260, etc.  If you think you're on
22, you're looking for heading 220, not 260.

Wilton

Re: [MBZ] '82 300 CD excessive oil usage-update

[Peter Frederick]

The number on the turbo will surely get you the correct part.  Try the 
manufacturer direct, and several diesel injection services since they 
all do turbos as well.  You need a cartridge (compressor and turbine 
wheels, shaft, and bearing body assembled), the ends will just then 
bolt on.  If the oil seal is shot, it's almost certain the bearings are 
worn and the housing is bad, so the cartridge makes the most sense.  
You may even be able to substitute a different cartridge, elliminating 
the "funny bearing" problem.


Do not use the dealer for this item, they don't repair parts, just 
install new ones.


Peter

[MBZ] 83 300Dt wheels?

[Mnetzky1]

Does anyone have 4 used wheels for sale? You can email me privately if  you 
like.
 
Thanks.
 
Mike Netzky

[MBZ] From an industry newsletter today

[RELNGSON]

GM announced yesterday that it will increase warranties to 100,000 miles or 
five years across its entire car and light truck range in the US and Canada, 
claiming the 'best warranty of any full-line automaker'.
  

Re: [MBZ] '82 300 CD excessive oil usage-update

[Steve MacSween]

I agree, Tom, that it's spinning wheels on a shaft with a bearings. However,
the impeller (IIRC) spins at about 80,000 rpm on the diesel units. Some gas
turbochargers get up to 120,000 rpms or more.

However, I also concede that if you've worked on jet engines you are
probably qualified to work on a turbocharger :-).

I like to stay conservative when giving general advice on these lists, tho.

Maybe Matt Cama should chime in here on how he handles turbo work

Cheers

Mac

on 9/7/06 1:23 PM, Potter, Tom  E at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> They can't be that complicated; they are only a spinning wheel on
> bearings. The only tricky part I see is balancing the wheel if
> necessary. That may take some special machinery. I admit I have never
> rebuilt one, thought I have rebuilt many jet engines.
> 
> Tom Potter (Ex ADJ-1)
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve MacSween
> Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 12:01 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] '82 300 CD excessive oil usage-update
> 
> There is some difference of opinion here, on whether turbos are
> 'user-serviceable' or not.
> 
> I fall on the side of the fence that says they are a machine-shop
> service
> item, and even then only a shop that works on turbos regularly.
> 
> If you have a heavy truck service outlet in your area, ask them who
> rebuilds
> their turbos. You may find they send them out of town to a big turbo
> rebuilder; often these operations sell on an exchange basis.
> 
> Put it this way: I know two guys who rally on the pro circuit, and build
> their own engines, and even they won't mess with a turbo themselves.

Re: [MBZ] Snap, Crackle & Pop

[Mitch Haley]

I had that problem last week on the way to work. It turned out that the jug
of oil on the floor had a soda can under it. The crinkling noise from the
can was very unnerving until the source was discovered.

Re: [MBZ] '82 300 CD excessive oil usage-update

[dave walton]

The Mercedes WIS program says it's a Garrett TB03. The compressor
housing is labeled "Air Research 42". From what I can tell, there are
a lot of different models of TB03's.
This one has the compressor bearing pressed into the aluminum plate
that supports the housing. Does not look like it is made to come apart
again easily.

Thanks

-Dave Walton
87SDL, 94S350, 99E300

On 9/7/06, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

you wrote:< not fix them either - at least not the dealers >>

Hi Dave,
I kinda figured -- but I was thinking the manufacturer of the Turbo
would sell the parts or rebuild yours/sell you a rebuilt Turbo - MB does not
make the Turbos, I'm 99% certain as MB makes *very* few parts, except for
possibly the block - as they mostly assemble cars..  It's either KKK or
possibly Garrett which was renamed Honeywell Turbo Technologies in the mid
90s.

Rusty can probably tell you exactly who makes the MB turbos - or he can
probably get a Turbo rebuild kit for you.  I'll see if I can find the
manufacturer in my info -

Good luck -

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From: "dave walton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 9:45 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] '82 300 CD excessive oil usage-update


> Mercedes will be more than happy to sell me an entire turbo for about
> 10 times more than I paid for my first car. They know me well and when
> they saw the price, they just shook their heads knowing I would not
> like what they had to tell me. They do not sell turbo parts. They do
> not fix them either - at least not the dealers around me.
>
> -Dave Walton
> 87SDL, 94S350, 99E300
>
> On 9/7/06, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> you wrote:<> from the junkyard. I'd
>> > rebuild the one I have.>>
>>
>> Does that mean MB does not sell the parts?  Or you haven't tried to get
>> the
>> rebuild parts?  I wonder if they're available from the turbo
>> manufacturer?
>> Can't recall the name at the moment but they're a subsidiary of
>> Allied-Signal now Honeywell.
>>
>> Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
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>> From: "dave walton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 10:10 PM
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] '82 300 CD excessive oil usage-update
>>
>>
>> > Yes, I replaced the bent rod (# 1). Cylinders looked good. Blowby is
>> > minimal.
>> > I am relatively confident the problem is with the turbo, but am
>> > unwilling to spend the $400 to buy one from a junkyard that was pulled
>> > from a wreck and probably needs a rebuild. But if I could get the
>> > parts, I would not need to buy a used one from the junkyard. I'd
>> > rebuild the one I have.
>> >
>> > -Dave Walton
>> > 87SDL, 94S350, 99E300
>> >
>> > On 9/6/06, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> dave walton wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > I have the same problem in my S350.
>> >>
>> >> Ouch.
>> >> >
>> >> > Increased inter-cranial pressure caused by blowby.
>> >>
>> >> That's supposed to be common, said blowby being caused
>> >> by bent connecting rods and oval cylinders.
>> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Off Topic OT - '01 Audi A4 Oil Loss

[mykd1]

No problem, only wished I knew as much about Benz's as I do VW's and Audi 
 
Harry
69 280 SEL 135,000 Miles
72 350SL   118,000 Miles
2004 VW Passat 4 Motion
1999 Mazda Miata   
 
 
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Thanks Harry!

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Off Topic OT - '01 Audi A4 Oil Loss


> Depending on what engine it has there are a few things it can be. Some of 
> them with 1.8T engines suffer from leaking engine seals, valve covers and 
> pcv's that commonly clog. The 2.8 and 3.0 V6's have similar problems with 
> clogging pcv's and leaky cam seals. Some of them also have problems with 
> leaky oil coolers and by-pass hoses. There is a forum at VWVortex.com that 
> might also have suggestions and helpful info. Since its smokes as you 
> mentioned that was also a common problem in the turbo 1.8's where the 
> bearings of the turbo failed and allowed oil to get into the turbo.
>
>
> Harry
> 69 280 SEL 135,000 Miles
> 72 350SL   118,000 Miles
> 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion
> 1999 Mazda Miata
>
>
> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 9:20 AM
> Subject: [MBZ] Off Topic OT - '01 Audi A4 Oil Loss
>
>
> Howdy,
> A friend has a '01 A4 Audi which is losing oil - usually all at once - 
> also
> there's the ocassional smell of oil - and puffs of smoke as his wife 
> drives
> away. Can't see any leaks.  I suggested he keep the level at 1/2 beween 
> the
> low and high but we'll have to wait and see how it does.
>
> Does anyone have any experience with these cars?  It's been maintained by
> the book - regular (3k-5k mi) oil & filter changes - is there any inherent
> problems with these cars?
>
> Any websites with info about Audi's?
>
> TIA ;-)
>
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Re: [MBZ] '82 300 CD excessive oil usage-update

[LarryT]

you wrote:<
not fix them either - at least not the dealers >>


Hi Dave,
   I kinda figured -- but I was thinking the manufacturer of the Turbo 
would sell the parts or rebuild yours/sell you a rebuilt Turbo - MB does not 
make the Turbos, I'm 99% certain as MB makes *very* few parts, except for 
possibly the block - as they mostly assemble cars..  It's either KKK or 
possibly Garrett which was renamed Honeywell Turbo Technologies in the mid 
90s.


   Rusty can probably tell you exactly who makes the MB turbos - or he can 
probably get a Turbo rebuild kit for you.  I'll see if I can find the 
manufacturer in my info -


Good luck -

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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 9:45 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] '82 300 CD excessive oil usage-update



Mercedes will be more than happy to sell me an entire turbo for about
10 times more than I paid for my first car. They know me well and when
they saw the price, they just shook their heads knowing I would not
like what they had to tell me. They do not sell turbo parts. They do
not fix them either - at least not the dealers around me.

-Dave Walton
87SDL, 94S350, 99E300

On 9/7/06, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

you wrote:< rebuild the one I have.>>

Does that mean MB does not sell the parts?  Or you haven't tried to get 
the
rebuild parts?  I wonder if they're available from the turbo 
manufacturer?

Can't recall the name at the moment but they're a subsidiary of
Allied-Signal now Honeywell.

Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
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From: "dave walton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 10:10 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] '82 300 CD excessive oil usage-update


> Yes, I replaced the bent rod (# 1). Cylinders looked good. Blowby is
> minimal.
> I am relatively confident the problem is with the turbo, but am
> unwilling to spend the $400 to buy one from a junkyard that was pulled
> from a wreck and probably needs a rebuild. But if I could get the
> parts, I would not need to buy a used one from the junkyard. I'd
> rebuild the one I have.
>
> -Dave Walton
> 87SDL, 94S350, 99E300
>
> On 9/6/06, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> dave walton wrote:
>> >
>> > I have the same problem in my S350.
>>
>> Ouch.
>> >
>> > Increased inter-cranial pressure caused by blowby.
>>
>> That's supposed to be common, said blowby being caused
>> by bent connecting rods and oval cylinders.
>>
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Re: [MBZ] '82 300 CD excessive oil usage-update

[Potter, Tom E]

I agree with Dave's philosophy. I am not comfortable with machinery that
is designed so that I cannot work on it. Either the engineer did not
know how to properly design it, or he purposely designed it so that I
would have to spend lots of money to fix it. 

Simplicity is elegance in design. Complexity is an admission that one
lacks a comprehension of physics (aka Rube Goldberg).

Tom Potter

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of dave walton
Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 1:28 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] '82 300 CD excessive oil usage-update

You mark the position of the turbines on the shaft and put them back
in the same place when you are done. You are just swapping some
frigging brass bushings. You can believe they are somehow magical and
that you need to belong to the club or end up in hell if you try to
break the code of silence, but I believe in physics. I have seen
inside the wonders of the turbo and can tell you from experience that
there ain't no magic in there.

I am fully aware that I risk royally screwing things up by working on
them myself - and I still choose to do so. I learn NOTHING by sending
it out for repair. I'll admit that I have made some expensive mistakes
with this philosophy, but they were mine to make.

If you follow the Mercedes Guidelines on 'user-serviceable', we would
not even be changing our own oil.

-Dave Walton
87SDL, 94S350, 99E300

On 9/7/06, Steve MacSween <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> There is some difference of opinion here, on whether turbos are
> 'user-serviceable' or not.
>
> I fall on the side of the fence that says they are a machine-shop
service
> item, and even then only a shop that works on turbos regularly.
>
> If you have a heavy truck service outlet in your area, ask them who
rebuilds
> their turbos. You may find they send them out of town to a big turbo
> rebuilder; often these operations sell on an exchange basis.
>
> Put it this way: I know two guys who rally on the pro circuit, and
build
> their own engines, and even they won't mess with a turbo themselves.
>
> --
> "Mac"
> Steve MacSween
> Aylmer, Quebec (Canada)
> Mercedes: '82 300sd / '82 240d (x2) / '60 220s
>
>
> on 9/7/06 9:45 AM, dave walton at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > Mercedes will be more than happy to sell me an entire turbo for
about
> > 10 times more than I paid for my first car. They know me well and
when
> > they saw the price, they just shook their heads knowing I would not
> > like what they had to tell me. They do not sell turbo parts. They do
> > not fix them either - at least not the dealers around me.
> >
> > -Dave Walton
> > 87SDL, 94S350, 99E300
> >
> > On 9/7/06, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> you wrote:< >> from the junkyard. I'd
> >>> rebuild the one I have.>>
> >>
> >> Does that mean MB does not sell the parts?  Or you haven't tried to
get the
> >> rebuild parts?  I wonder if they're available from the turbo
manufacturer?
> >> Can't recall the name at the moment but they're a subsidiary of
> >> Allied-Signal now Honeywell.
> >>
> >> Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
> >> www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts
> >> Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil
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> >> .
> >> - Original Message -
> >> From: "dave walton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> >> Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 10:10 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] '82 300 CD excessive oil usage-update
> >>
> >>
> >>> Yes, I replaced the bent rod (# 1). Cylinders looked good. Blowby
is
> >>> minimal.
> >>> I am relatively confident the problem is with the turbo, but am
> >>> unwilling to spend the $400 to buy one from a junkyard that was
pulled
> >>> from a wreck and probably needs a rebuild. But if I could get the
> >>> parts, I would not need to buy a used one from the junkyard. I'd
> >>> rebuild the one I have.
> >>>
> >>> -Dave Walton
> >>> 87SDL, 94S350, 99E300
> >>>
> >>> On 9/6/06, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  dave walton wrote:
> >
> > I have the same problem in my S350.
> 
>  Ouch.
> >
> > Increased inter-cranial pressure caused by blowby.
> 
>  That's supposed to be common, said blowby being caused
>  by bent connecting rods and oval cylinders.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] '82 300 CD excessive oil usage-update

[dave walton]

You mark the position of the turbines on the shaft and put them back
in the same place when you are done. You are just swapping some
frigging brass bushings. You can believe they are somehow magical and
that you need to belong to the club or end up in hell if you try to
break the code of silence, but I believe in physics. I have seen
inside the wonders of the turbo and can tell you from experience that
there ain't no magic in there.

I am fully aware that I risk royally screwing things up by working on
them myself - and I still choose to do so. I learn NOTHING by sending
it out for repair. I'll admit that I have made some expensive mistakes
with this philosophy, but they were mine to make.

If you follow the Mercedes Guidelines on 'user-serviceable', we would
not even be changing our own oil.

-Dave Walton
87SDL, 94S350, 99E300

On 9/7/06, Steve MacSween <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

There is some difference of opinion here, on whether turbos are
'user-serviceable' or not.

I fall on the side of the fence that says they are a machine-shop service
item, and even then only a shop that works on turbos regularly.

If you have a heavy truck service outlet in your area, ask them who rebuilds
their turbos. You may find they send them out of town to a big turbo
rebuilder; often these operations sell on an exchange basis.

Put it this way: I know two guys who rally on the pro circuit, and build
their own engines, and even they won't mess with a turbo themselves.

--
"Mac"
Steve MacSween
Aylmer, Quebec (Canada)
Mercedes: '82 300sd / '82 240d (x2) / '60 220s


on 9/7/06 9:45 AM, dave walton at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Mercedes will be more than happy to sell me an entire turbo for about
> 10 times more than I paid for my first car. They know me well and when
> they saw the price, they just shook their heads knowing I would not
> like what they had to tell me. They do not sell turbo parts. They do
> not fix them either - at least not the dealers around me.
>
> -Dave Walton
> 87SDL, 94S350, 99E300
>
> On 9/7/06, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> you wrote:<> from the junkyard. I'd
>>> rebuild the one I have.>>
>>
>> Does that mean MB does not sell the parts?  Or you haven't tried to get the
>> rebuild parts?  I wonder if they're available from the turbo manufacturer?
>> Can't recall the name at the moment but they're a subsidiary of
>> Allied-Signal now Honeywell.
>>
>> Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
>> www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts
>> Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil
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>> .
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "dave walton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 10:10 PM
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] '82 300 CD excessive oil usage-update
>>
>>
>>> Yes, I replaced the bent rod (# 1). Cylinders looked good. Blowby is
>>> minimal.
>>> I am relatively confident the problem is with the turbo, but am
>>> unwilling to spend the $400 to buy one from a junkyard that was pulled
>>> from a wreck and probably needs a rebuild. But if I could get the
>>> parts, I would not need to buy a used one from the junkyard. I'd
>>> rebuild the one I have.
>>>
>>> -Dave Walton
>>> 87SDL, 94S350, 99E300
>>>
>>> On 9/6/06, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 dave walton wrote:
>
> I have the same problem in my S350.

 Ouch.
>
> Increased inter-cranial pressure caused by blowby.

 That's supposed to be common, said blowby being caused
 by bent connecting rods and oval cylinders.

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Re: [MBZ] '82 300 CD excessive oil usage-update

[Levi Smith]

That's my philosophy as well.  They are completely rebuildable, but not by
me.  No, they're not that complicated, but I don't terribly want to get
something "just a hair off" and have it spinning at 50K or 100K rpm's
(:
Personally, if I have a turbo problem, I'm either looking for a used one, or
I'm sending mine off for a rebuild.  That's what happens on the rare
occasion that a turbo dies on one of the tractors on our family farm.

Levi

On 9/7/06, Steve MacSween <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


There is some difference of opinion here, on whether turbos are
'user-serviceable' or not.

I fall on the side of the fence that says they are a machine-shop service
item, and even then only a shop that works on turbos regularly.

If you have a heavy truck service outlet in your area, ask them who
rebuilds
their turbos. You may find they send them out of town to a big turbo
rebuilder; often these operations sell on an exchange basis.

Put it this way: I know two guys who rally on the pro circuit, and build
their own engines, and even they won't mess with a turbo themselves.

--
"Mac"
Steve MacSween
Aylmer, Quebec (Canada)
Mercedes: '82 300sd / '82 240d (x2) / '60 220s


on 9/7/06 9:45 AM, dave walton at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Mercedes will be more than happy to sell me an entire turbo for about
> 10 times more than I paid for my first car. They know me well and when
> they saw the price, they just shook their heads knowing I would not
> like what they had to tell me. They do not sell turbo parts. They do
> not fix them either - at least not the dealers around me.
>
> -Dave Walton
> 87SDL, 94S350, 99E300
>
> On 9/7/06, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> you wrote:<> from the junkyard. I'd
>>> rebuild the one I have.>>
>>
>> Does that mean MB does not sell the parts?  Or you haven't tried to get
the
>> rebuild parts?  I wonder if they're available from the turbo
manufacturer?
>> Can't recall the name at the moment but they're a subsidiary of
>> Allied-Signal now Honeywell.
>>
>> Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
>> www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts
>> Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil
>> PORSCHE POSTERS!  youroil.net
>> Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs
>> Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/
>> .
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "dave walton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 10:10 PM
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] '82 300 CD excessive oil usage-update
>>
>>
>>> Yes, I replaced the bent rod (# 1). Cylinders looked good. Blowby is
>>> minimal.
>>> I am relatively confident the problem is with the turbo, but am
>>> unwilling to spend the $400 to buy one from a junkyard that was pulled
>>> from a wreck and probably needs a rebuild. But if I could get the
>>> parts, I would not need to buy a used one from the junkyard. I'd
>>> rebuild the one I have.
>>>
>>> -Dave Walton
>>> 87SDL, 94S350, 99E300
>>>
>>> On 9/6/06, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 dave walton wrote:
>
> I have the same problem in my S350.

 Ouch.
>
> Increased inter-cranial pressure caused by blowby.

 That's supposed to be common, said blowby being caused
 by bent connecting rods and oval cylinders.

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Re: [MBZ] '82 300 CD excessive oil usage-update

[Potter, Tom E]

They can't be that complicated; they are only a spinning wheel on
bearings. The only tricky part I see is balancing the wheel if
necessary. That may take some special machinery. I admit I have never
rebuilt one, thought I have rebuilt many jet engines.

Tom Potter (Ex ADJ-1)

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve MacSween
Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 12:01 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] '82 300 CD excessive oil usage-update

There is some difference of opinion here, on whether turbos are
'user-serviceable' or not.

I fall on the side of the fence that says they are a machine-shop
service
item, and even then only a shop that works on turbos regularly.

If you have a heavy truck service outlet in your area, ask them who
rebuilds
their turbos. You may find they send them out of town to a big turbo
rebuilder; often these operations sell on an exchange basis.

Put it this way: I know two guys who rally on the pro circuit, and build
their own engines, and even they won't mess with a turbo themselves.

-- 
"Mac"
Steve MacSween
Aylmer, Quebec (Canada)
Mercedes: '82 300sd / '82 240d (x2) / '60 220s


on 9/7/06 9:45 AM, dave walton at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Mercedes will be more than happy to sell me an entire turbo for about
> 10 times more than I paid for my first car. They know me well and when
> they saw the price, they just shook their heads knowing I would not
> like what they had to tell me. They do not sell turbo parts. They do
> not fix them either - at least not the dealers around me.
> 
> -Dave Walton
> 87SDL, 94S350, 99E300
> 
> On 9/7/06, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> you wrote:<> from the junkyard. I'd
>>> rebuild the one I have.>>
>> 
>> Does that mean MB does not sell the parts?  Or you haven't tried to
get the
>> rebuild parts?  I wonder if they're available from the turbo
manufacturer?
>> Can't recall the name at the moment but they're a subsidiary of
>> Allied-Signal now Honeywell.
>> 
>> Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
>> www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts
>> Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil
>> PORSCHE POSTERS!  youroil.net
>> Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs
>> Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/
>> .
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "dave walton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 10:10 PM
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] '82 300 CD excessive oil usage-update
>> 
>> 
>>> Yes, I replaced the bent rod (# 1). Cylinders looked good. Blowby is
>>> minimal.
>>> I am relatively confident the problem is with the turbo, but am
>>> unwilling to spend the $400 to buy one from a junkyard that was
pulled
>>> from a wreck and probably needs a rebuild. But if I could get the
>>> parts, I would not need to buy a used one from the junkyard. I'd
>>> rebuild the one I have.
>>> 
>>> -Dave Walton
>>> 87SDL, 94S350, 99E300
>>> 
>>> On 9/6/06, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 dave walton wrote:
> 
> I have the same problem in my S350.
 
 Ouch.
> 
> Increased inter-cranial pressure caused by blowby.
 
 That's supposed to be common, said blowby being caused
 by bent connecting rods and oval cylinders.
 
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Re: [MBZ] '82 300 CD excessive oil usage-update

[Steve MacSween]

There is some difference of opinion here, on whether turbos are
'user-serviceable' or not.

I fall on the side of the fence that says they are a machine-shop service
item, and even then only a shop that works on turbos regularly.

If you have a heavy truck service outlet in your area, ask them who rebuilds
their turbos. You may find they send them out of town to a big turbo
rebuilder; often these operations sell on an exchange basis.

Put it this way: I know two guys who rally on the pro circuit, and build
their own engines, and even they won't mess with a turbo themselves.

-- 
"Mac"
Steve MacSween
Aylmer, Quebec (Canada)
Mercedes: '82 300sd / '82 240d (x2) / '60 220s


on 9/7/06 9:45 AM, dave walton at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Mercedes will be more than happy to sell me an entire turbo for about
> 10 times more than I paid for my first car. They know me well and when
> they saw the price, they just shook their heads knowing I would not
> like what they had to tell me. They do not sell turbo parts. They do
> not fix them either - at least not the dealers around me.
> 
> -Dave Walton
> 87SDL, 94S350, 99E300
> 
> On 9/7/06, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> you wrote:<> from the junkyard. I'd
>>> rebuild the one I have.>>
>> 
>> Does that mean MB does not sell the parts?  Or you haven't tried to get the
>> rebuild parts?  I wonder if they're available from the turbo manufacturer?
>> Can't recall the name at the moment but they're a subsidiary of
>> Allied-Signal now Honeywell.
>> 
>> Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
>> www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts
>> Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil
>> PORSCHE POSTERS!  youroil.net
>> Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs
>> Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/
>> .
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "dave walton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 10:10 PM
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] '82 300 CD excessive oil usage-update
>> 
>> 
>>> Yes, I replaced the bent rod (# 1). Cylinders looked good. Blowby is
>>> minimal.
>>> I am relatively confident the problem is with the turbo, but am
>>> unwilling to spend the $400 to buy one from a junkyard that was pulled
>>> from a wreck and probably needs a rebuild. But if I could get the
>>> parts, I would not need to buy a used one from the junkyard. I'd
>>> rebuild the one I have.
>>> 
>>> -Dave Walton
>>> 87SDL, 94S350, 99E300
>>> 
>>> On 9/6/06, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 dave walton wrote:
> 
> I have the same problem in my S350.
 
 Ouch.
> 
> Increased inter-cranial pressure caused by blowby.
 
 That's supposed to be common, said blowby being caused
 by bent connecting rods and oval cylinders.
 
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Re: [MBZ] MBCA membership and voting...

[Joe Knight]

Just got off the phone w/ the nice lady at MBCA, Chuck; started from scratch
to get you listed as sponsor.  Should have the voting requisites w/i a week
or 2.   Hope you break into the century club at the drag strip.  :)

-joe

I just checked w/the MBCA National Business Office.  If you call
(1-800-637-2360) and join, you will receive a ballot.  The ballot
must be received by October 16, 2006 in order to be counted.  That's
RECEIVED, not just postmarked.  As info, the dues are $45.00/year,
with slight reductions for 2 and 3 year memberships.

If you do join, please give my name and member number (L03) as
your sponsor.

Re: [MBZ] MBCA

[JFreezn]

 
In a message dated 9/6/2006 9:35:23 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Our own  Chuck Landenberger is running for one of the DAL slots in MBCA.  I  
urge all of you who are MBCA members to Vote for Chuck.   I  can't think of 
anyone I'd rather have on the board except perhaps Herr  Doktor Marshall 
Booth but Herr Doktor ain't runnin

Chuck will  be a voice for those of us with slim wallets who seem to like 20 
year old  MBs and even though he exchanged the Diesel in his veins for 
Benzin, I  know Chuck will also attend to all things Diesel for us.

'sides he has  on a nice Aloha shirt for the picture in the ballot  book.



Loren and others,
 
I second the "notion"!  And if we want Chuck to win, we should only  vote for 
one DAL, voting for more than one will dilute the results.   Regardless of 
who you want to win, get your vote mailed now.
 
Regards,  

Jim  Friesen
Phoenix AZ
79 300SD, 262 K miles 
98 ML 320, 145 K  miles

Re: [MBZ] MBCA

[Chuck Landenberger]

Kaleb,

That could happen...  Just need to figure out the geography...  
time and place.
Any chance you will be coming to Las Vegas for StarFest 2006, October  
1 thru 5.  Driving competition will be held at the Spring Mountain  
Race course.  Time trials, autocross and standing 1/4 drag

I'll have the 500E there...  Come on out and join up!

Check this out...  A friend w/an SLK55 AMG made a video at Spring  
Mountain..  Go here and take a ride..http:// 
hosted.filefront.com/slk55ontrack


Take care and be safe,

Chuck

On Sep 7, 2006, at 8:18 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:


Now all you need to do is let me test drive your 500E :)

Chuck Landenberger wrote:


Kaleb,

I missed your request, but am happy to share what I posted in the
MBCA Ballot
And this is an honest offer, if you or any others here on the list
have any other concerns/questions about the club...  Please ask me
and I WILL answer!
Thanks for the opportunity to post my Candidate Statement here on the
list, Kaleb.

Take care,

Chuck
~~~
Chuck Landenberger

Desert Stars Section

1102 W. Lynne Lane

Phoenix, AZ 85041

Home: 623-748-1472

Cell: 480-710-0898

Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

What's with our feeling for the "Marque" and MBCA?

It's all about our passion and love for the Mercedes-Benz automobile,
our fellow club members, and others who drive them.  It's up to you
and me, members of MBCA, to share our passion with current and future
members.

  What can you expect from me as YOUR DAL?

- An advocate for financial solvency

- A commitment of greater financial support/resources to sections for
improved quality/frequency of section events

- Improved communication and interaction/support by all levels of  
MBCA


- A leader interested in YOUR recommendations to improve OUR club

- A focused plan for increased membership retention/growth

- A proponent for a "user friendly" MBCA website with section
internet support with one consistent "face" in design and operation

- Continued dedication/service from a loyal MBCA member



Who am I?

- An MBCA Member since 1989

- Desert Stars Host Section Coordinator - 2006 Fall Board Meeting in
Phoenix

- National Membership Committee (2005-Present)

- President, Hawaii "Aloha" Section 2002-2003

- Desert Stars Board Member (2000-2002) & (2004-Present)

-s National Events Committee (1996-1998)

- President, Greater Washington Section (GWS) (1994-1998)

- Secretary, Greater Washington Section (1992-1994)

- Retired from the US Postal Service

- For seventeen years, I've been active planning/working/
participating in MBCA events:

 - StarFests in 1994, 1996, 2000, 2004 and 2006 - See you
all in Las Vegas!

 - National Events - Tri-O-Rama, Gemutlichkeit, Southern
Treffen

 - Many events hosted by GWS, Hawaii and Desert Stars
Sections

 - Attended many National Board Meetings

My MB's- Present & Past

 - 1986 190E 2.3 16V "Lil' Bro"

 - 1992 500E "Big Bro"

 - Past -1978 240D - 1964 230SL -1983 190E 2.3 - 1986
190E 2.6 - 1980 300SD

  I respectfully ask for your vote.

  Questions?  Please contact me.

Thanks, Chuck



On Sep 7, 2006, at 7:26 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:


I would love to vote for chuck and asked him in the past to share  
with
the list his views on things, but he didnt seem to want to.  If  
people

are to vote for someone, wouldnt they need to know where that
candidate
stands?




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  91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL,
  87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 86 300SDL, 84 380SE, 84 190D 2.2,
  84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] MBCA

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Now all you need to do is let me test drive your 500E :)

Chuck Landenberger wrote:


Kaleb,

I missed your request, but am happy to share what I posted in the  
MBCA Ballot
And this is an honest offer, if you or any others here on the list  
have any other concerns/questions about the club...  Please ask me  
and I WILL answer!
Thanks for the opportunity to post my Candidate Statement here on the  
list, Kaleb.


Take care,

Chuck
~~~
Chuck Landenberger

Desert Stars Section

1102 W. Lynne Lane

Phoenix, AZ 85041

Home: 623-748-1472

Cell: 480-710-0898

Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

What's with our feeling for the "Marque" and MBCA?

It's all about our passion and love for the Mercedes-Benz automobile,  
our fellow club members, and others who drive them.  It's up to you  
and me, members of MBCA, to share our passion with current and future  
members.


  What can you expect from me as YOUR DAL?

- An advocate for financial solvency

- A commitment of greater financial support/resources to sections for  
improved quality/frequency of section events


- Improved communication and interaction/support by all levels of MBCA

- A leader interested in YOUR recommendations to improve OUR club

- A focused plan for increased membership retention/growth

- A proponent for a "user friendly" MBCA website with section  
internet support with one consistent "face" in design and operation


- Continued dedication/service from a loyal MBCA member



Who am I?

- An MBCA Member since 1989

- Desert Stars Host Section Coordinator - 2006 Fall Board Meeting in  
Phoenix


- National Membership Committee (2005-Present)

- President, Hawaii "Aloha" Section 2002-2003

- Desert Stars Board Member (2000-2002) & (2004-Present)

-s National Events Committee (1996-1998)

- President, Greater Washington Section (GWS) (1994-1998)

- Secretary, Greater Washington Section (1992-1994)

- Retired from the US Postal Service

- For seventeen years, I've been active planning/working/ 
participating in MBCA events:


 - StarFests in 1994, 1996, 2000, 2004 and 2006 - See you  
all in Las Vegas!


 - National Events - Tri-O-Rama, Gemutlichkeit, Southern  
Treffen


 - Many events hosted by GWS, Hawaii and Desert Stars  
Sections


 - Attended many National Board Meetings

My MB's- Present & Past

 - 1986 190E 2.3 16V "Lil' Bro"

 - 1992 500E "Big Bro"

 - Past -1978 240D - 1964 230SL -1983 190E 2.3 - 1986  
190E 2.6 - 1980 300SD


  I respectfully ask for your vote.

  Questions?  Please contact me.

Thanks, Chuck



On Sep 7, 2006, at 7:26 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:



I would love to vote for chuck and asked him in the past to share with
the list his views on things, but he didnt seem to want to.  If people
are to vote for someone, wouldnt they need to know where that  
candidate

stands?




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Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL,
 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 86 300SDL, 84 380SE, 84 190D 2.2,
 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250
http://www.striplin.net

[MBZ] MBCA membership and voting...

[Chuck Landenberger]

Joe and all interested listers,

I just checked w/the MBCA National Business Office.  If you call  
(1-800-637-2360) and join, you will receive a ballot.  The ballot  
must be received by October 16, 2006 in order to be counted.  That's  
RECEIVED, not just postmarked.  As info, the dues are $45.00/year,  
with slight reductions for 2 and 3 year memberships.


If you do join, please give my name and member number (L03) as  
your sponsor.


The club website is http://www.mbca.org/  then go to Membership and  
click on New Member


Thanks and take care,

Chuck
Phoenix AZ

On Sep 7, 2006, at 6:15 AM, Joe Knight wrote:

Yep, second that, Loren.  Chuck's altogether standup (besides, he  
gave me a

ride in his rpg).  Is it too late to pony up dues and get a ballot?

-joe
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Re: [MBZ] MBCA

[Chuck Landenberger]

Kaleb,

I missed your request, but am happy to share what I posted in the  
MBCA Ballot
And this is an honest offer, if you or any others here on the list  
have any other concerns/questions about the club...  Please ask me  
and I WILL answer!
Thanks for the opportunity to post my Candidate Statement here on the  
list, Kaleb.


Take care,

Chuck
~~~
Chuck Landenberger

Desert Stars Section

1102 W. Lynne Lane

Phoenix, AZ 85041

Home: 623-748-1472

Cell: 480-710-0898

Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

What's with our feeling for the "Marque" and MBCA?

It's all about our passion and love for the Mercedes-Benz automobile,  
our fellow club members, and others who drive them.  It's up to you  
and me, members of MBCA, to share our passion with current and future  
members.


 What can you expect from me as YOUR DAL?

- An advocate for financial solvency

- A commitment of greater financial support/resources to sections for  
improved quality/frequency of section events


- Improved communication and interaction/support by all levels of MBCA

- A leader interested in YOUR recommendations to improve OUR club

- A focused plan for increased membership retention/growth

- A proponent for a "user friendly" MBCA website with section  
internet support with one consistent "face" in design and operation


- Continued dedication/service from a loyal MBCA member



Who am I?

- An MBCA Member since 1989

- Desert Stars Host Section Coordinator - 2006 Fall Board Meeting in  
Phoenix


- National Membership Committee (2005-Present)

- President, Hawaii "Aloha" Section 2002-2003

- Desert Stars Board Member (2000-2002) & (2004-Present)

-s National Events Committee (1996-1998)

- President, Greater Washington Section (GWS) (1994-1998)

- Secretary, Greater Washington Section (1992-1994)

- Retired from the US Postal Service

- For seventeen years, I've been active planning/working/ 
participating in MBCA events:


- StarFests in 1994, 1996, 2000, 2004 and 2006 - See you  
all in Las Vegas!


- National Events - Tri-O-Rama, Gemutlichkeit, Southern  
Treffen


- Many events hosted by GWS, Hawaii and Desert Stars  
Sections


- Attended many National Board Meetings

My MB's- Present & Past

- 1986 190E 2.3 16V "Lil' Bro"

- 1992 500E "Big Bro"

- Past -1978 240D - 1964 230SL -1983 190E 2.3 - 1986  
190E 2.6 - 1980 300SD


 I respectfully ask for your vote.

 Questions?  Please contact me.

Thanks, Chuck



On Sep 7, 2006, at 7:26 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:


I would love to vote for chuck and asked him in the past to share with
the list his views on things, but he didnt seem to want to.  If people
are to vote for someone, wouldnt they need to know where that  
candidate

stands?

Re: [MBZ] Snap, Crackle & Pop

[Michael]

Thanks. It's Ok.  I bought a remanufactured IP off ebay cheap and paid to have 
it installed.

I plan on driving this car for a long time.

-Michael

-Original Message-
>From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Sep 7, 2006 10:28 AM
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>Subject: Re: [MBZ] Snap, Crackle & Pop
>
>Im sorry to tell you but you got ripped off on the ip.  There is an 
>updated rack damper bolt that must be used.  That will take the shake 
>right out.  Costs less than $30.
>
>Michael wrote:
>
>> Hello esteemed list members,
>> 
>> I am having a problem with my '83 300TD where there is an snap, crackle or 
>> pop coming from the area behind the dash while the vehicle is in 
>> motion...Especially like stopping and cornering.  Perhaps it's coming from 
>> the engine or drivetrain?
>> 
>> I replaced the entire exhaust system about 4 mo's ago.
>> 
>> Any ideas?
>> 
>> Thanks in advance.
>> 
>> PS- I recently had the IP swapped out by a Benz dealer.  The car used to 
>> shake quite a bit at times.  The old pump I think had uneven pressure to the 
>> cylinders and a weak tension spring for the rack.  Plus the mechanic told me 
>> that all the adjustment was out for the rack tension bolt.  I drove it like 
>> that for 6 mos and got fed up with it acting up after I changed out the 
>> filters.  It acted like it would loose it's prime, and couldn't suck from 
>> the fuel tank.  But that's all better now!!!  
>> 
>> -Michael
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Nobody loves me like my mother, and she could be jivin' too.
>> 
>> - B. B. King
>> 
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[MBZ] Lock delt with

[Curt Raymond]

Well I had to work late and missed going to the snowmobile shop to borrow a 
drill and so my wife had to borrow one from her grandfather who had to borrow 
one from his brother
  At any rate a 1/4" drill makes short work of a doorknob lock although you do 
have to drill pretty far in. I was real happy when the door finally clicked 
open.
   
  -Curt


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There is a pretty good bio/position statement in the ballot book, 
considering the space available.  I would suggest that if anyone has a 
question about Chuck's position on an MBCA issue, they should ask 
Chuck.  It is pretty clear to me that Chuck owns and drives older 
cars.  I'd much rather have someone like that on the board than those who 
buy a new car in place of washing the one they have.  The MBCA board has 
had all too many of that type (new car).

Chuck has chosen not to toot his horn on this and other forums.  I chose to 
point out to the list that Chuck is running for Director at Large.  MBCA 
members are free to vote as they see fit.

Loren

At 09:26 AM 9/7/2006, you wrote:
>I would love to vote for chuck and asked him in the past to share with
>the list his views on things, but he didnt seem to want to.  If people
>are to vote for someone, wouldnt they need to know where that candidate
>stands?
>
>Loren Faeth wrote:
>
> > Listers:
> >
> > Our own Chuck Landenberger is running for one of the DAL slots in MBCA.  I
> > urge all of you who are MBCA members to Vote for Chuck.   I can't think of
> > anyone I'd rather have on the board except perhaps Herr Doktor Marshall
> > Booth but Herr Doktor ain't runnin
> >
> > Chuck will be a voice for those of us with slim wallets who seem to 
> like 20
> > year old MBs and even though he exchanged the Diesel in his veins for
> > Benzin, I know Chuck will also attend to all things Diesel for us.
> >
> > 'sides he has on a nice Aloha shirt for the picture in the ballot book.
> >
> > Mahalo nui loa Koa Aikane
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Loren Faeth
> > A bunch of Benzes 1960-1988
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>   87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 86 300SDL, 84 380SE, 84 190D 2.2,
>   84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] Snap, Crackle & Pop

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Im sorry to tell you but you got ripped off on the ip.  There is an 
updated rack damper bolt that must be used.  That will take the shake 
right out.  Costs less than $30.


Michael wrote:


Hello esteemed list members,

I am having a problem with my '83 300TD where there is an snap, crackle or pop 
coming from the area behind the dash while the vehicle is in 
motion...Especially like stopping and cornering.  Perhaps it's coming from the 
engine or drivetrain?

I replaced the entire exhaust system about 4 mo's ago.

Any ideas?

Thanks in advance.

PS- I recently had the IP swapped out by a Benz dealer.  The car used to shake quite a bit at times.  The old pump I think had uneven pressure to the cylinders and a weak tension spring for the rack.  Plus the mechanic told me that all the adjustment was out for the rack tension bolt.  I drove it like that for 6 mos and got fed up with it acting up after I changed out the filters.  It acted like it would loose it's prime, and couldn't suck from the fuel tank.  But that's all better now!!!  


-Michael



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 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 86 300SDL, 84 380SE, 84 190D 2.2,
 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250
http://www.striplin.net

Re: [MBZ] MBCA

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

I would love to vote for chuck and asked him in the past to share with 
the list his views on things, but he didnt seem to want to.  If people 
are to vote for someone, wouldnt they need to know where that candidate 
stands?


Loren Faeth wrote:


Listers:

Our own Chuck Landenberger is running for one of the DAL slots in MBCA.  I 
urge all of you who are MBCA members to Vote for Chuck.   I can't think of 
anyone I'd rather have on the board except perhaps Herr Doktor Marshall 
Booth but Herr Doktor ain't runnin


Chuck will be a voice for those of us with slim wallets who seem to like 20 
year old MBs and even though he exchanged the Diesel in his veins for 
Benzin, I know Chuck will also attend to all things Diesel for us.


'sides he has on a nice Aloha shirt for the picture in the ballot book.

Mahalo nui loa Koa Aikane




Loren Faeth
A bunch of Benzes 1960-1988  



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 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 86 300SDL, 84 380SE, 84 190D 2.2,
 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250
http://www.striplin.net

Re: [MBZ] '82 300 CD excessive oil usage-update

[dave walton]

Mercedes will be more than happy to sell me an entire turbo for about
10 times more than I paid for my first car. They know me well and when
they saw the price, they just shook their heads knowing I would not
like what they had to tell me. They do not sell turbo parts. They do
not fix them either - at least not the dealers around me.

-Dave Walton
87SDL, 94S350, 99E300

On 9/7/06, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

you wrote:< rebuild the one I have.>>

Does that mean MB does not sell the parts?  Or you haven't tried to get the
rebuild parts?  I wonder if they're available from the turbo manufacturer?
Can't recall the name at the moment but they're a subsidiary of
Allied-Signal now Honeywell.

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Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 10:10 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] '82 300 CD excessive oil usage-update


> Yes, I replaced the bent rod (# 1). Cylinders looked good. Blowby is
> minimal.
> I am relatively confident the problem is with the turbo, but am
> unwilling to spend the $400 to buy one from a junkyard that was pulled
> from a wreck and probably needs a rebuild. But if I could get the
> parts, I would not need to buy a used one from the junkyard. I'd
> rebuild the one I have.
>
> -Dave Walton
> 87SDL, 94S350, 99E300
>
> On 9/6/06, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> dave walton wrote:
>> >
>> > I have the same problem in my S350.
>>
>> Ouch.
>> >
>> > Increased inter-cranial pressure caused by blowby.
>>
>> That's supposed to be common, said blowby being caused
>> by bent connecting rods and oval cylinders.
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Non-Diesel Question

[Gary Thompson]

1. Both. Given the time, and the right thermal conditions, the wiring
insulation WILL start to breakdown. It may not exhibit any symptoms
until it gets jostled or bumped (say during an inspection, plug
change, or even an engine compartment cleaning).

2. In some parts of the county, evaporator failures seem to be near
non-existent. In others, it's a given. In my part of the country
(Texas), seems real common. Probably has something to do with how much
the air is used and how extreme the temperature variations are. No
idea statistically how many have failed. With my sample size of 1, I'd
say it's 100%.

3. Other issues you haven't mentioned yet: a) combination cruise
control, electronic throttle, idle control unit - has a short wiring
pigtail that mates the the engine wiring harness, suffers from the
same insulation failures. Generally rebuildable, but expensive. b) EGR
cross-over tube clogs, causing check engine light. Can be cleaned, but
is a bit of a PITA. Mercedes has introduced a new part that's less
prone to clogging. c) head gasket failures that cause oil leaks down
the side of the block. Minor annoyance, until it gets worse.
Generally, I've heard of this around the 80Kmile mark. No idea how
common it is, but I seem to hear about it fairly often.

So, to summarize, when looking at a 1994-1995 E320, look for new
wiring harness (check the manufacturing date on the label, generally
tucked away behind the battery), make sure the A/C blows cold and you
don't smell any oil/refrigerant nastiness in the passenger
compartment, ask about the EGR tube, and check for oil leaks from the
head gasket area.


Gary Thompson
1995 E320   126Kmiles


On 9/6/06, Rory <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Guys, I'm looking at a 94 E320S with 58000 miles.  Question regarding wiring
harness breakdown and evaporator issues.

1. is the wiring harness breakdown an element of heat, time, or a
combination of both?

2. is the evporator leakage a commonly known issue that rears its head early
on, or after a period of use?

Thanks.

Rory Morrison
Oroville, WA
1985 300SD
1982 300TD

Re: [MBZ] Snap, Crackle & Pop

[Jim Cathey]

I am having a problem with my '83 300TD where there is an snap, 
crackle or pop coming from the area behind the dash while the vehicle 
is in motion...Especially like stopping and cornering.


Ball joints?  Track rods?  We also have a noise in our SDL that
I'm now convinced is the hood where it contacts the rear holddown
pins.  'cause when I greased 'em the noise went away for awhile.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Compression Value

[Jim Cathey]

Anyway - It says the "as new" value should be 26-32 bar or 377/464 
psig.
However, it says, if using tool 001 589 21 00 the value should be 
29-35 bar

or 421/507.  Why would one gauge require a different value?


Radically different volume inside one gauge vs the other?  Different
peak sensitivity in one vs the other?  Meter movement inertia?  The
pressure 'wave' from the piston is a complex shape, so I suppose it's
a little analogous to the electrical case of using a true-RMS vs the
venerable peak averaging type of AC meter to measure non-sinusoidal
waveforms.  Both work just fine, but the readings are not comparable.

It's also interesting to me to note that these compressions are
significantly higher than those for that 240D I had.  There 'as-new'
is 22-24 Bar, with a minimum of 15.  (The car weighed in at 21.)

-- Jim

[MBZ] Snap, Crackle & Pop

[Michael]

Hello esteemed list members,

I am having a problem with my '83 300TD where there is an snap, crackle or pop 
coming from the area behind the dash while the vehicle is in 
motion...Especially like stopping and cornering.  Perhaps it's coming from the 
engine or drivetrain?

I replaced the entire exhaust system about 4 mo's ago.

Any ideas?

Thanks in advance.

PS- I recently had the IP swapped out by a Benz dealer.  The car used to shake 
quite a bit at times.  The old pump I think had uneven pressure to the 
cylinders and a weak tension spring for the rack.  Plus the mechanic told me 
that all the adjustment was out for the rack tension bolt.  I drove it like 
that for 6 mos and got fed up with it acting up after I changed out the 
filters.  It acted like it would loose it's prime, and couldn't suck from the 
fuel tank.  But that's all better now!!!  

-Michael



Nobody loves me like my mother, and she could be jivin' too.

- B. B. King

Re: [MBZ] MBCA

[Joe Knight]

Yep, second that, Loren.  Chuck's altogether standup (besides, he gave me a
ride in his rpg).  Is it too late to pony up dues and get a ballot?

-joe
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[MBZ] Compression Value

[LarryT]

Howdy,
I plan to replace my GP's (602.962 engine) during the next few weeks & will 
check compression a that time.  I was checking my handy, dandy Tech 
Reference book for the values to look for.  It's called "Technical Data - 
Passenger Cars from MB for $30. It covers *everything* in the cars and 
engines from tires to sunrook to bumpers to water pump with values and sizes 
for every possible thing.


Anyway - It says the "as new" value should be 26-32 bar or 377/464 psig. 
However, it says, if using tool 001 589 21 00 the value should be 29-35 bar 
or 421/507.  Why would one gauge require a different value?


BTW, the min value is given as approx. 18 bar / 261 psi.

Is there anything else I should do while I'm doing the GP.s?  I bought a 
reamer from Sears to have on hand - hopefully the Ps will come out without 
too much difficulty.  I'll test the compression and adjust the ALDA a tad - 
while it's open I'll clean up stuff - what else can/should I do?


I'm replacing the GPs because my preglow light doesn't come on when starting 
but *will* light for 60-90 seconds once the engine has started - which tells 
me I have 1 or 2 GPs failed.   Also, when 1st started it runs slighty 
unevenly like all GPs haven't done their job properly.


tia

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Re: [MBZ] '82 300 CD excessive oil usage-update

[LarryT]

you wrote:>


Does that mean MB does not sell the parts?  Or you haven't tried to get the 
rebuild parts?  I wonder if they're available from the turbo manufacturer? 
Can't recall the name at the moment but they're a subsidiary of 
Allied-Signal now Honeywell.


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From: "dave walton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 10:10 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] '82 300 CD excessive oil usage-update


Yes, I replaced the bent rod (# 1). Cylinders looked good. Blowby is 
minimal.

I am relatively confident the problem is with the turbo, but am
unwilling to spend the $400 to buy one from a junkyard that was pulled
from a wreck and probably needs a rebuild. But if I could get the
parts, I would not need to buy a used one from the junkyard. I'd
rebuild the one I have.

-Dave Walton
87SDL, 94S350, 99E300

On 9/6/06, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

dave walton wrote:
>
> I have the same problem in my S350.

Ouch.
>
> Increased inter-cranial pressure caused by blowby.

That's supposed to be common, said blowby being caused
by bent connecting rods and oval cylinders.

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Re: [MBZ] Comair crash/another opinion

[Peter Frederick]

I agree -- saving money will eventually cause crashes, and with the 
"discount" airlines running things, deregulation will eventually cause 
re-regulation.


A friend who is a pilot commented that they should have had warning 
from instruments they were on the wrong runway, but I've not been there 
and cannot comment.  Certainly, it's very safe to say using the short 
runway was NOT intentional.


There was quite a bit of discussion some years back about marking 
runways for length, I suppose it was never done (again to save money, 
probably).  One last warning to a pilot -- a sign saying "usable runway 
4500 ft" should have clued them in they were in the wrong place.


I suppose also the pilot did everything he could -- once you are at V1 
you cannot stop on the runway, and he was way past that before he ever 
got to V1 anyway since the runway was 3000 ft short of what he was 
supposed to have.  All you can do is pull the stick back and pray -- 
over-running the runway at 100 knots or more is fatal anyway and there 
is a slight chance the aircraft will exceed it's design specs and let 
you get airborne.


I feel very sorry for the pilot (and passengers, as they didn't have 
anything to do with it) -- he's gonna get blamed for the error no 
matter what, when it's very likely he was in a position where an error 
was much too likely.


Peter
On Sep 6, 2006, at 9:57 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Aviation disaster --a pilot's view
A pilot/writer posted this at another site.

I live in Lexington and have thirty years of airline experience flying 
in and

out of LEX. I was also the station liaison for Lexington for ten years.

Here is what I think happened:

The two runways in question share the same common run-up area. The 
extended
taxiway to the correct runway, runway 28 was closed due to 
construction.
It has always been difficult to tell between the two runways when you 
are
taxiing out. The natural thing to do is to take the wrong one. It is 
just there
and you are always tempted to take it. When I flew out of LEX we 
always checked

each other at least three times to make sure we were taking the correct
runway. We checked the chart, we checked to make sure the correct 
runway number was
at the end and we always double checked the FMS generated moving map. 
Most
FMS systems will have a warning called "runway dissimilarity" pop up 
in magenta
when your position at takeoff doesn't match the runway you programmed 
into the
computer. This would not happen at LEX since you are virtually in the 
same
spot when you take either runway. It was also raining at the time of 
takeoff and

dark. The control tower
opens at 6am (because we are, after all, all about saving money) and 
only has
one controller on duty at that time. He or she has to: run ground 
control,
clearance delivery, approach control and departure control. The one 
controller
also has to program the ATIS and make the coffee. He or she probably 
cleared
Comair to take off and then put their head back down to a chore or 
work another

airplane. Taking the runway, the Comair guy would put the power up and
wouldn't realize they were on the wrong runway until they were about 
70% down the
pike. Too late to safely abort so he probably decided to try and 
continue the
takeoff. This is when the eye witnesses heard a series of explosions 
and though
the plane blew up in the air. Didn't happen -- what they heard and saw 
were
compressor stalls of probably both engines. The pilot no doubt pushed 
the
throttles all the way up and that demand to the engines combined with 
the steep pitch
attitude cut off enough air to the intakes to cause the compressor 
stalls --
which, by the way, made them even more doomed. Less power. They 
stalled or
simply hit one of the large hills to the west of the airport and came 
to a stop.
Everybody on board was probably injured but alive. Then, a second or 
two later
the post-crash fire began. With the darkness and the fact that most of 
them
had broken legs, pelvises and backs they literally burned alive. Not 
smoke
inhalation. They really actually burned to death. In my role as 
station liaison I
wrote most of the post crash safety procedure for Delta at that field. 
Too bad
there weren't enough survivors to use them. BTW, Comair and the press 
will
tell you what a great plane the RJ is. This is a total lie. The 
Canadair RJ was
designed to be an executive barge, not an airliner. They were designed 
to fly
about ten times a month, not ten times a day. They have a long history 
of
mechanical design shortfalls. I've flown on it and have piloted it. It 
is a
steaming, underpowered piece of shit. It never had enough power to get 
out of its
own way and this situation is exactly what everybody who flies it was 
afraid of.
The senior member of the crew had about five and a half years of total 
jet
experience. The copilot less. They had minimum training (to save money 
--enjoy
that discount ticket)! And were flying a minimally equipped PO

[MBZ] MBCA

[Loren Faeth]

Listers:

Our own Chuck Landenberger is running for one of the DAL slots in MBCA.  I 
urge all of you who are MBCA members to Vote for Chuck.   I can't think of 
anyone I'd rather have on the board except perhaps Herr Doktor Marshall 
Booth but Herr Doktor ain't runnin


Chuck will be a voice for those of us with slim wallets who seem to like 20 
year old MBs and even though he exchanged the Diesel in his veins for 
Benzin, I know Chuck will also attend to all things Diesel for us.


'sides he has on a nice Aloha shirt for the picture in the ballot book.

Mahalo nui loa Koa Aikane




Loren Faeth
A bunch of Benzes 1960-1988  

Re: [MBZ] W123 Car Show 9-9-2006

[V Layton]

Helllo Striplin boys and girls!

If you have a W123 or are just a fan around St. Louis this weekend, 
consider stopping in on our car show Saturday.  It'll be a small, casual 
and enjoyable affair.


If interested, PLEASE E-MAIL me:

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My site is down for reconstruction right now, been really really busy with 
repair work, but we're still around and chugging away in the W123 
universe.


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[MBZ] Comair crash/another opinion

[RELNGSON]

Aviation disaster --a pilot's view
A pilot/writer posted this at another site.

I live in Lexington and have thirty years of airline experience flying in and 
out of LEX. I was also the station liaison for Lexington for ten years.

Here is what I think happened:

The two runways in question share the same common run-up area. The extended 
taxiway to the correct runway, runway 28 was closed due to construction.
It has always been difficult to tell between the two runways when you are 
taxiing out. The natural thing to do is to take the wrong one. It is just there 
and you are always tempted to take it. When I flew out of LEX we always checked 
each other at least three times to make sure we were taking the correct 
runway. We checked the chart, we checked to make sure the correct runway number 
was 
at the end and we always double checked the FMS generated moving map. Most 
FMS systems will have a warning called "runway dissimilarity" pop up in magenta 
when your position at takeoff doesn't match the runway you programmed into the 
computer. This would not happen at LEX since you are virtually in the same 
spot when you take either runway. It was also raining at the time of takeoff 
and 
dark. The control tower
opens at 6am (because we are, after all, all about saving money) and only has 
one controller on duty at that time. He or she has to: run ground control, 
clearance delivery, approach control and departure control. The one controller 
also has to program the ATIS and make the coffee. He or she probably cleared 
Comair to take off and then put their head back down to a chore or work another 
airplane. Taking the runway, the Comair guy would put the power up and 
wouldn't realize they were on the wrong runway until they were about 70% down 
the 
pike. Too late to safely abort so he probably decided to try and continue the 
takeoff. This is when the eye witnesses heard a series of explosions and though 
the plane blew up in the air. Didn't happen -- what they heard and saw were 
compressor stalls of probably both engines. The pilot no doubt pushed the 
throttles all the way up and that demand to the engines combined with the steep 
pitch 
attitude cut off enough air to the intakes to cause the compressor stalls -- 
which, by the way, made them even more doomed. Less power. They stalled or 
simply hit one of the large hills to the west of the airport and came to a 
stop. 
Everybody on board was probably injured but alive. Then, a second or two later 
the post-crash fire began. With the darkness and the fact that most of them 
had broken legs, pelvises and backs they literally burned alive. Not smoke 
inhalation. They really actually burned to death. In my role as station liaison 
I 
wrote most of the post crash safety procedure for Delta at that field. Too bad 
there weren't enough survivors to use them. BTW, Comair and the press will 
tell you what a great plane the RJ is. This is a total lie. The Canadair RJ was 
designed to be an executive barge, not an airliner. They were designed to fly 
about ten times a month, not ten times a day. They have a long history of 
mechanical design shortfalls. I've flown on it and have piloted it. It is a 
steaming, underpowered piece of shit. It never had enough power to get out of 
its 
own way and this situation is exactly what everybody who flies it was afraid 
of. 
The senior member of the crew had about five and a half years of total jet 
experience. The copilot less. They had minimum training (to save money --enjoy 
that discount ticket)! And were flying a minimally equipped POS on very short 
rest. The layover gets in about 10pm the night before. They report for pickup 
at 4:30am.

I'm sorry if I sound bitter but this is exactly the direction the entire 
airline industry is going. Expect to see bigger more colorful crashes in the 
future. 
For the record, I have 20,000 flight hours of heavy jet flying time and am 
type rated in the 727, 757, 767, 777, DC-8, DC-9 and L-1011.

[MBZ] Personal computer milestones

[RELNGSON]

http://www.blinkenlights.com/pc.shtml

Re: [MBZ] Moral dilemma

[Jim Cathey]

I do have the motor stand.  Need some way to get it in the van and back
home without her seeing it.


Mace.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] '82 300 CD excessive oil usage-update

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

uh dude, your problem is most likely bent rods.

dave walton wrote:


I have the same problem in my S350. Using M-1 15w-50 helps, but it is
getting worse over time. My understanding of the problem is that it
has a few common causes:

Increased inter-cranial pressure caused by blowby.
Too much oil pressure going to the turbo.
Restriction in the flow of oil after it leaves the turbo.
Restriction of airflow to the turbo intake.
Bad bearing.

My turbo does not have bearings in the sense I expected. It's really
just a brass sleeve that slips over the shaft that presses against
another brass sleeve mounted to the compressor housing. Mercedes
people say that the turbos never go bad. The people that work on
turbos say that most of the ones they get in to be rebuilt work fine,
nonetheless they replace all the common wear parts and send them back.
Of the real failures they do see, oil leaking into the intake is a
common problem.

I have tried contacting several Turbo Rebuilders to obtain a new
compressor bearing for my Garrett TB03, but none of them have been
able to get me the correct parts. I've been told that there are 2
common types of compressor bearings on the TB03, and a weird one that
no one uses. Mercedes used the third type. It's probably peculiar to
the S350 as the people I have talked to who were familiar with
Mercedes turbos were incredulous and I had to send them digital photos
for them to believe me.

Hope this helps.

-Dave Walton
87SDL, 94S350, 99E300

On 8/30/06, Luther Gulseth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


So explain why the intake manifold was coated in FRESH oil when I removed the 
original turbo.  How does the oil get from the sloppy valve guides through a 
fairly dry air filter housing to the dry turbo intake?  Might I have just 
gotten back to back bad turbos?

On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 17:33:19 -0500, Peter Frederick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



Time to check the valve guides -- likely they are VERY sloppy and it's
gulping oil

Peter







--
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Alma, Ark
'83 300SD (236 kmi)
'82 300CD (160 kmi)
'82 300D  (74 kmi) needs MAJOR work

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Re: [MBZ] '82 300 CD excessive oil usage-update

[dave walton]

Yes, I replaced the bent rod (# 1). Cylinders looked good. Blowby is minimal.
I am relatively confident the problem is with the turbo, but am
unwilling to spend the $400 to buy one from a junkyard that was pulled
from a wreck and probably needs a rebuild. But if I could get the
parts, I would not need to buy a used one from the junkyard. I'd
rebuild the one I have.

-Dave Walton
87SDL, 94S350, 99E300

On 9/6/06, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

dave walton wrote:
>
> I have the same problem in my S350.

Ouch.
>
> Increased inter-cranial pressure caused by blowby.

That's supposed to be common, said blowby being caused
by bent connecting rods and oval cylinders.

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Re: [MBZ] '82 300 CD excessive oil usage-update

[Mitch Haley]

dave walton wrote:
> 
> I have the same problem in my S350. 

Ouch.
> 
> Increased inter-cranial pressure caused by blowby.

That's supposed to be common, said blowby being caused
by bent connecting rods and oval cylinders.