Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers

[Tom Hargrave]

You can still buy Windows XP here:

http://www.softwaremedia.com/category/461.html

They are a quality vendor - I've done business with them for years.

Tom Hargrave
www.kegkits.com
 
Original Message
From: LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: 03/16/07 06:49 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Hi Kevin,
Just between you & me, I think MS needed to sell some more software
so 
they created Vista where a need had not been shown to exist - at least
not 
anything I need.  I like MS because I believe their suite of programs
that 
communicated with others at a time when that wasn't a given - *sure*,
it 
was self-serving - because they're in business to make money.  But I
don't 
want to be a test dummy for a new OS.

Back to Vista - I am reasonably happy with XP.  It does just about 
everything needed even though I'm sure Vista has many enhancements, I
doubt 
they're worth (to me) the cost of buying a new OS and agonizing thru the

period of de-bugging.

People buying new puters are stuck unless they want to do things the
old 
fashioned way and are willing to install XP in a new puter.  Not a bad
idea 
IMHO.  Since I still have my XP CD I may go that route if I upgrade.

Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
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- Original Message - 
From: "Kevin Kraly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 3:32 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers


> The time had come for me to purchase a new laptop, so off to the store
I
> went.  Everything was set up with Vista, so I bought an HP.  I
couldn't 
> use
> the lighted multimedia buttons at the top of the keyboard since I
couldn't
> do it by touch alone since touching them set them off and there was no
way
> to tell which one I pushed.  Back that one went.  I then purchased a 
> Toshiba
> that was also set up with Vista only to find out that my Jaws For
Windows
> synthesizer wouldn't work with Vista, DARM!  I ended up buying another
> Toshiba, the last one with Xp, the Media Center Edition.  This one 
> required
> the professional version of the voice synth, a $340 upgrade!  I
figured 
> this
> was worth not going with Vista, and it's working out.  Wifey was
having
> similar problems and ended up going with an XP equipped Toshiba
laptop, 
> the
> exact same one I have.  Her magnification software works with either
XP or
> Vista, so we're OK for a while.  The guys at both comp stores we went
to
> said, and I quote,
>
> "Vista SUCKS"
>
> Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
> 1983 300SD 266K miles, Ursula
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers -hijackedtoMSOffice/Outlookreplacement

[Tom Hargrave]

Bill,

I recommend uninstalling the application. If uninstalliing resolves the
issue then I'd push for a full refund or a solution.

One real issue with Windows is the continued poor quality of some
software vendors.

Another real issue with Windows is computer owners installing multiple
anti-virus & firewall programs.

Neither of these issues are Mocrosoft or Windows fault.

By the way, if you have a router installed then you don't need a
firewall, not even Windows firewall because a properly configured
hardware router is the best firewall you can buy. Why? Because the bad
guys can't reach through the box to your machine. Plus, the firewall is
away from your machine. With a software firewall, the bad guys are
already inside your machine and you are depending on the firewall to
keep them from going further.

But Symantec & the other software jockeys won't tell you this because
they would sell less worthless software.

Anti-virus software is a different story.

By the way, Windows is attacked so frequently because it's 80% of the
install base. Apple is just as vulnerable and Lynux is more vulnerable
but the virus writers don't bother. They are much happier attacking the
80% install base. If the roles were reversed and Lunux or Apple were on
top then everyone would be bashing that OS for its vulnerabilities.

Tom Hargrave
www.kegkits.com
 
Original Message
From: BillR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: 03/16/07 01:41 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers
-hijackedtoMSOffice/Outlookreplacement
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Tom - I don't believe it is a hardware or memory problem as everything 
worked perfectly for the 2 years prior to installing "XP Repair Pro
2007". 
I have little doubt that program is the problem.  The continuing problem
is 
that neither I nor the tech folks at XP Repair Pro 2007 can figure out
how 
to get Outlook to download and send email.  I check for spyware
regularly, 
though I don't expect that is the problem.
It remains a mystery, but one that is merely annoying, not a show
stopper.
BillR

- Original Message - 
From: "Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'BillR'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'Mercedes Discussion List'" 

Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 1:56 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers - 
hijackedtoMSOffice/Outlookreplacement


> Fortunately (or unfortunately, depending on your perspective), I work
on
> a lot of Windows boxes.
>
> And over 90 percent of the issues I resolve can be attributed to one
of
> three causes.
>
> 1. Hardware not up the task, usually not enough memory.
>
> 2. Poorly written or incorrectly configured aftermarket application.
For
> example, aftermarket firewall and Windows firewall turned on.
>
> 3. A rogue application (spyware, etc) running, usually downloaded from
a
> porn or gambling site.
>
> Of the systems I manage, I have zero issues with Windows. And the
> systems run a mix of 98, 2000 and XP.
>
> 2000 was my favorite OS but XP SR2 is rock solid. I'm doing trial
Vista
> installs now and I don't have an opinion of the OS yet.
>
> Office 2000 is excellent, Office XP is terrible and Office 2003 is
even
> better than 2000.
>
> Most who experience Office issues either don't have adequate hardware
or
> are experiencing issues with aftermarket software. Neither of these
are
> Microsoft's fault.
>
> Tom
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: "BillR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: 3/16/07 8:32 AM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers - hijacked
> toMSOffice/Outlookreplacement
>
> Thanks Tom - I have been getting that feeling.  The only real issue I
> have
> at the moment is that a recently installed system cleaner [XP Repair
Pro
>
> 2007] has caused Outlook to crash every time there is mail to download
> or
> send.  The test settings works great and that test settings email is
> fine to
> both send and receive, the calendar and contacts works great, but I
just
>
> can't send or receive regular emails.  I do download a 'shell' that
> includes
> an extra several dozen lines of stuff, then puts the 'email' at the
> wrong
> end of the queue, and crashes Outlook. Every time.  If there are no
> emails
> going out or coming in everything is fine with a 'send / receive' and
it
>
> does not crash.  I did a backup prior to running the program, but
> restore
> doesn't help.  I have reinstalled Office twice and done 'detect and
> repair'
> about 5 times.  Next attempt will be to install on the other hard
drive
> just
> to see if that will help.  XP Repair Pro 2007 folks say they don't
> understand it either and are working on the problem, but no luck yet.
I
>
> have had to go to an old version of Outlook Express to get email, and
it
>
> does not integrate the calendar sharing function that I used a lot.
> Quite
> frustrating.
>
> Lee - I appreciate your suggestions >>"For e-mail, contacts and
> scheduling,
> take a look at Kontact, should be
> installed by default on KDE-based 

Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers

[LarryT]

Hi Kevin,
   Just between you & me, I think MS needed to sell some more software so 
they created Vista where a need had not been shown to exist - at least not 
anything I need.  I like MS because I believe their suite of programs that 
communicated with others at a time when that wasn't a given - *sure*,  it 
was self-serving - because they're in business to make money.  But I don't 
want to be a test dummy for a new OS.


   Back to Vista - I am reasonably happy with XP.  It does just about 
everything needed even though I'm sure Vista has many enhancements, I doubt 
they're worth (to me) the cost of buying a new OS and agonizing thru the 
period of de-bugging.


   People buying new puters are stuck unless they want to do things the old 
fashioned way and are willing to install XP in a new puter.  Not a bad idea 
IMHO.  Since I still have my XP CD I may go that route if I upgrade.


Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts
Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil
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- Original Message - 
From: "Kevin Kraly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 3:32 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers



The time had come for me to purchase a new laptop, so off to the store I
went.  Everything was set up with Vista, so I bought an HP.  I couldn't 
use

the lighted multimedia buttons at the top of the keyboard since I couldn't
do it by touch alone since touching them set them off and there was no way
to tell which one I pushed.  Back that one went.  I then purchased a 
Toshiba

that was also set up with Vista only to find out that my Jaws For Windows
synthesizer wouldn't work with Vista, DARM!  I ended up buying another
Toshiba, the last one with Xp, the Media Center Edition.  This one 
required
the professional version of the voice synth, a $340 upgrade!  I figured 
this

was worth not going with Vista, and it's working out.  Wifey was having
similar problems and ended up going with an XP equipped Toshiba laptop, 
the

exact same one I have.  Her magnification software works with either XP or
Vista, so we're OK for a while.  The guys at both comp stores we went to
said, and I quote,

"Vista SUCKS"

Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
1983 300SD 266K miles, Ursula


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Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers

[Gary Hurst]

i'd get a mac

On 3/16/07, Kevin Kraly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

The time had come for me to purchase a new laptop, so off to the store I
went.  Everything was set up with Vista, so I bought an HP.  I couldn't use
the lighted multimedia buttons at the top of the keyboard since I couldn't
do it by touch alone since touching them set them off and there was no way
to tell which one I pushed.  Back that one went.  I then purchased a Toshiba
that was also set up with Vista only to find out that my Jaws For Windows
synthesizer wouldn't work with Vista, DARM!  I ended up buying another
Toshiba, the last one with Xp, the Media Center Edition.  This one required
the professional version of the voice synth, a $340 upgrade!  I figured this
was worth not going with Vista, and it's working out.  Wifey was having
similar problems and ended up going with an XP equipped Toshiba laptop, the
exact same one I have.  Her magnification software works with either XP or
Vista, so we're OK for a while.  The guys at both comp stores we went to
said, and I quote,

"Vista SUCKS"

Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
1983 300SD 266K miles, Ursula


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Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers -hijackedtoMSOffice/Outlookreplacement

[Frederick Moir]

Vista, Hmm? Can't see it myself.
(Sorry)
Fred Moir
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so then i could play online poker through linux?   i really can't on os x.

On 3/16/07, LT Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Bill:
>
> My recommendation would be to run Linux for its stability and then access
> the programs you need (Office, Outlook, etc.) via WINE. There is a very nice
> WINE interface available for $49, after a month to try it out, that lets
> most standard Windows software run smoothly and seamlessly. In fact, you can
> most likely do everything you'd want Windows to do from within Linux, using
> the standard Linux/KDE applications.
>
> On 3/16/07, BillR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Tom - I don't believe it is a hardware or memory problem as everything
> > worked perfectly for the 2 years prior to installing "XP Repair Pro 2007".
> > I have little doubt that program is the problem.  The continuing problem
> > is
> > that neither I nor the tech folks at XP Repair Pro 2007 can figure out how
> > to get Outlook to download and send email.  I check for spyware regularly,
> > though I don't expect that is the problem.
> > It remains a mystery, but one that is merely annoying, not a show stopper.
> > BillR
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "'BillR'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'Mercedes Discussion List'"
> > 
> > Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 1:56 PM
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers -
> > hijackedtoMSOffice/Outlookreplacement
> >
> >
> > > Fortunately (or unfortunately, depending on your perspective), I work on
> > > a lot of Windows boxes.
> > >
> > > And over 90 percent of the issues I resolve can be attributed to one of
> > > three causes.
> > >
> > > 1. Hardware not up the task, usually not enough memory.
> > >
> > > 2. Poorly written or incorrectly configured aftermarket application. For
> > > example, aftermarket firewall and Windows firewall turned on.
> > >
> > > 3. A rogue application (spyware, etc) running, usually downloaded from a
> > > porn or gambling site.
> > >
> > > Of the systems I manage, I have zero issues with Windows. And the
> > > systems run a mix of 98, 2000 and XP.
> > >
> > > 2000 was my favorite OS but XP SR2 is rock solid. I'm doing trial Vista
> > > installs now and I don't have an opinion of the OS yet.
> > >
> > > Office 2000 is excellent, Office XP is terrible and Office 2003 is even
> > > better than 2000.
> > >
> > > Most who experience Office issues either don't have adequate hardware or
> > > are experiencing issues with aftermarket software. Neither of these are
> > > Microsoft's fault.
> > >
> > > Tom
> > >
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: "BillR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> > > Sent: 3/16/07 8:32 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers - hijacked
> > > toMSOffice/Outlookreplacement
> > >
> > > Thanks Tom - I have been getting that feeling.  The only real issue I
> > > have
> > > at the moment is that a recently installed system cleaner [XP Repair Pro
> > >
> > > 2007] has caused Outlook to crash every time there is ma

Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers -hijackedtoMSOffice/Outlookreplacement

[OK Don]

You might try   http://wiki.djlizard.net/Dial-a-fix
This little utility cured a sound card driver that kept disappearing
in my XP laptop. It sounds like it might work in your case also.


 I'll try
to reinstall MS Office 2003 Pro on the other disk first prior to doing what
seems to me a drastic change.  My fear is that I will end up with a problem
I don't understand and no way to email folks such as yourself to get it
fixed.  I am also hoping my newly computer trained son will be down in a few
weeks and can help me figure this one out, though I tend to doubt that the
USAF trains folks on Windows.  He does seem pretty adept at computers.  I am
at the point of preferring a devil I know and can work around rather than
facing the unknown - unless you or one of the others on the list wants a
hosted FL vacation [in the 80's yesterday] with a side of computer repair...
if you do, come on down.  We have the room, and Singleton's is still open.
BillR


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"Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just
sit there."
Will Rogers
'90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager

Re: [MBZ] 1990 MERCEDES 300E 4 DOOR WAGON

[Loren Faeth]

Looks like $975 will ship it to the west coast 
now.  http://www.matson.com/pov/booking/shipping_rates.htm


We got caught in a bubble after they changed from rates based on vehicle 
dimensions to a flat rate for any vehicle.  Looks like they now have a car 
rate and a van/large vehicle rate.


At 03:04 PM 3/16/2007, you wrote:

Contact Matson lines.  You can ship to LA, SF or Seattle.  In 1993, when we
moved, it cost $1300 each to move cars from Hilo to Honolulu via barge, and
then to Seattle.  It is pretty easy.

At 02:34 PM 3/16/2007, you wrote:
>I wonder what shipping a car from Hawaii is like?
>




Loren Faeth


Loren Faeth 

Re: [MBZ] Anyone near Jax FL

[BillR]

Yes, I am close [it's about 8" from my feet at the moment.]  Happy to take a 
look and send pics, BUT, my abilities at checking mechanical things is very 
limited.  If it looks decent and you want a professional opinion my nephew 
manages a local garage and is a good mechanic, and deals with MB regularly. 
He charges normal rates, but you would be able to get a good report on the 
mechanicals rather than just how it looks, rides, and sounds.  My look is 
free and worth every penny.

Let me know.
BillR
Jacksonville FL
1981 300SD  286k miles
- Original Message - 
From: "Loren Faeth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 4:56 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Anyone near Jax FL



Is anyone near Jacksonville, FL  who might be willing to look at a car for
me?  Has to be inspected between 8-5:30, M-F


Loren Faeth


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[MBZ] Anyone near Jax FL

[Loren Faeth]

Is anyone near Jacksonville, FL  who might be willing to look at a car for 
me?  Has to be inspected between 8-5:30, M-F



Loren Faeth 

Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers -hijackedtoMSOffice/Outlookreplacement

[BillR]

Don - I am still somewhat full from the clam basket at Singleton's.  Took my 
sister [from New Hampshire] on Monday and we ate on the porch, prior to 
visiting the model room and her [not this FL boy] swimming at Jacksonville 
Beach.  God place to know about.
I have been wanting to try Linux [I have a years old Linux Red Hat disk 
somewhere], but really don't have any problems with the XP OS, just the mail 
send/receive in Outlook when there is mail.  Does not seem likely that the 
OS has much to do with that, be it XP or Linux, and since I have no other 
problems with the OS I am a bit reluctant to get so deeply into it and end 
up with the same problem in an OS that I truly know nothing about.  I'll try 
to reinstall MS Office 2003 Pro on the other disk first prior to doing what 
seems to me a drastic change.  My fear is that I will end up with a problem 
I don't understand and no way to email folks such as yourself to get it 
fixed.  I am also hoping my newly computer trained son will be down in a few 
weeks and can help me figure this one out, though I tend to doubt that the 
USAF trains folks on Windows.  He does seem pretty adept at computers.  I am 
at the point of preferring a devil I know and can work around rather than 
facing the unknown - unless you or one of the others on the list wants a 
hosted FL vacation [in the 80's yesterday] with a side of computer repair... 
if you do, come on down.  We have the room, and Singleton's is still open.

BillR


- Original Message - 
From: "LT Don" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 2:47 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the 
recyclers -hijackedtoMSOffice/Outlookreplacement




Bill:

My recommendation would be to run Linux for its stability and then access
the programs you need (Office, Outlook, etc.) via WINE. There is a very 
nice

WINE interface available for $49, after a month to try it out, that lets
most standard Windows software run smoothly and seamlessly. In fact, you 
can
most likely do everything you'd want Windows to do from within Linux, 
using

the standard Linux/KDE applications.

On 3/16/07, BillR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Tom - I don't believe it is a hardware or memory problem as everything
worked perfectly for the 2 years prior to installing "XP Repair Pro 
2007".

I have little doubt that program is the problem.  The continuing problem
is
that neither I nor the tech folks at XP Repair Pro 2007 can figure out 
how
to get Outlook to download and send email.  I check for spyware 
regularly,

though I don't expect that is the problem.
It remains a mystery, but one that is merely annoying, not a show 
stopper.

BillR

- Original Message -
From: "Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'BillR'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'Mercedes Discussion List'"

Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 1:56 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers -
hijackedtoMSOffice/Outlookreplacement


> Fortunately (or unfortunately, depending on your perspective), I work 
> on

> a lot of Windows boxes.
>
> And over 90 percent of the issues I resolve can be attributed to one of
> three causes.
>
> 1. Hardware not up the task, usually not enough memory.
>
> 2. Poorly written or incorrectly configured aftermarket application. 
> For

> example, aftermarket firewall and Windows firewall turned on.
>
> 3. A rogue application (spyware, etc) running, usually downloaded from 
> a

> porn or gambling site.
>
> Of the systems I manage, I have zero issues with Windows. And the
> systems run a mix of 98, 2000 and XP.
>
> 2000 was my favorite OS but XP SR2 is rock solid. I'm doing trial Vista
> installs now and I don't have an opinion of the OS yet.
>
> Office 2000 is excellent, Office XP is terrible and Office 2003 is even
> better than 2000.
>
> Most who experience Office issues either don't have adequate hardware 
> or

> are experiencing issues with aftermarket software. Neither of these are
> Microsoft's fault.
>
> Tom
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: "BillR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: 3/16/07 8:32 AM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers - hijacked
> toMSOffice/Outlookreplacement
>
> Thanks Tom - I have been getting that feeling.  The only real issue I
> have
> at the moment is that a recently installed system cleaner [XP Repair 
> Pro

>
> 2007] has caused Outlook to crash every time there is mail to download
> or
> send.  The test settings works great and that test settings email is
> fine to
> both send and receive, the calendar and contacts works great, but I 
> just

>
> can't send or receive regular emails.  I do download a 'shell' that
> includes
> an extra several dozen lines of stuff, then puts the 'email' at the
> wrong
> end of the queue, and crashes Outlook. Every time.  If there are no
> emails
> going out or coming in everything is fine with a 'send / receive' and 
> it

>
> does not crash.  I did a backup prior to running the program, but
> restore
> doesn

Re: [MBZ] 1990 MERCEDES 300E 4 DOOR WAGON

[Loren Faeth]

Contact Matson lines.  You can ship to LA, SF or Seattle.  In 1993, when we 
moved, it cost $1300 each to move cars from Hilo to Honolulu via barge, and 
then to Seattle.  It is pretty easy.


At 02:34 PM 3/16/2007, you wrote:

I wonder what shipping a car from Hawaii is like?






Loren Faeth 

Re: [MBZ] 1990 MERCEDES 300E 4 DOOR WAGON

[Dwight E. Giles, Jr]

Well-shipping it to Rochester from Hawaii might cure the vapor lock. Not a
cheap fix. 
Dwight

Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
1979 240D-250K + miles
1990 300D 2.5t 135K miles
Wickford, RI
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Glenn Brown
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 2:47 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: [MBZ] 1990 MERCEDES 300E 4 DOOR WAGON

For someone who might be interested in what appears to be a rust free gasser
wagon and may know if there's an inexpensive fix for the vapor lock problem:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-300e-4-door-wagon-no-reserve_W0QQite
mZ220092427802QQcategoryZ6330QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

G. M. Brown
Rochester, NY
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Re: [MBZ] 1990 MERCEDES 300E 4 DOOR WAGON

[LarryT]

I wonder what shipping a car from Hawaii is like?

Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
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- Original Message - 
From: "Glenn Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 2:46 PM
Subject: [MBZ] 1990 MERCEDES 300E 4 DOOR WAGON


For someone who might be interested in what appears to be a rust free 
gasser
wagon and may know if there's an inexpensive fix for the vapor lock 
problem:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-300e-4-door-wagon-no-reserve_W0QQitemZ220092427802QQcategoryZ6330QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

G. M. Brown
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Re: [MBZ] Parts Database

[LarryT]

Hi Peter,
If you use Microsoft products such as Works or Office there are several 
inventory programs/templates available on www.msn.com.  The Works Suits is 
pretty inexpensive while the current Office is $200 or more.


But they work pretty well. Naturally they're not designed to manage auto 
parts - the few I looked at were Household Security type templates - which 
with a little imagination probably can be modified to do what you want.


Keeping meticulous records can pay huge returns, but the Organization can be 
a bear!


If the above isn't your "cup 'o tea" do a Google for freeware or shareware 
for Inventory programs.


Have a nice weekend -

Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
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- Original Message - 
From: "Peter Merle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 8:22 AM
Subject: [MBZ] Parts Database



Has anyone got a parts database running for their merc parts?  I
maintain mine on Excel but its becoming a bit overwhelming with some
600parts listed I have purchased with Price history and inventory
levels. I'd be keen to hear from someone who has bought /de signed a
suitable database.
PEter

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Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers

[Kevin Kraly]

The time had come for me to purchase a new laptop, so off to the store I 
went.  Everything was set up with Vista, so I bought an HP.  I couldn't use 
the lighted multimedia buttons at the top of the keyboard since I couldn't 
do it by touch alone since touching them set them off and there was no way 
to tell which one I pushed.  Back that one went.  I then purchased a Toshiba 
that was also set up with Vista only to find out that my Jaws For Windows 
synthesizer wouldn't work with Vista, DARM!  I ended up buying another 
Toshiba, the last one with Xp, the Media Center Edition.  This one required 
the professional version of the voice synth, a $340 upgrade!  I figured this 
was worth not going with Vista, and it's working out.  Wifey was having 
similar problems and ended up going with an XP equipped Toshiba laptop, the 
exact same one I have.  Her magnification software works with either XP or 
Vista, so we're OK for a while.  The guys at both comp stores we went to 
said, and I quote,


"Vista SUCKS"

Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
1983 300SD 266K miles, Ursula 

Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers - hijackedtoMSOffice/Outlookreplacement

[LT Don]

Bill:

My recommendation would be to run Linux for its stability and then access
the programs you need (Office, Outlook, etc.) via WINE. There is a very nice
WINE interface available for $49, after a month to try it out, that lets
most standard Windows software run smoothly and seamlessly. In fact, you can
most likely do everything you'd want Windows to do from within Linux, using
the standard Linux/KDE applications.

On 3/16/07, BillR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Tom - I don't believe it is a hardware or memory problem as everything
worked perfectly for the 2 years prior to installing "XP Repair Pro 2007".
I have little doubt that program is the problem.  The continuing problem
is
that neither I nor the tech folks at XP Repair Pro 2007 can figure out how
to get Outlook to download and send email.  I check for spyware regularly,
though I don't expect that is the problem.
It remains a mystery, but one that is merely annoying, not a show stopper.
BillR

- Original Message -
From: "Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'BillR'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'Mercedes Discussion List'"

Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 1:56 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers -
hijackedtoMSOffice/Outlookreplacement


> Fortunately (or unfortunately, depending on your perspective), I work on
> a lot of Windows boxes.
>
> And over 90 percent of the issues I resolve can be attributed to one of
> three causes.
>
> 1. Hardware not up the task, usually not enough memory.
>
> 2. Poorly written or incorrectly configured aftermarket application. For
> example, aftermarket firewall and Windows firewall turned on.
>
> 3. A rogue application (spyware, etc) running, usually downloaded from a
> porn or gambling site.
>
> Of the systems I manage, I have zero issues with Windows. And the
> systems run a mix of 98, 2000 and XP.
>
> 2000 was my favorite OS but XP SR2 is rock solid. I'm doing trial Vista
> installs now and I don't have an opinion of the OS yet.
>
> Office 2000 is excellent, Office XP is terrible and Office 2003 is even
> better than 2000.
>
> Most who experience Office issues either don't have adequate hardware or
> are experiencing issues with aftermarket software. Neither of these are
> Microsoft's fault.
>
> Tom
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: "BillR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: 3/16/07 8:32 AM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers - hijacked
> toMSOffice/Outlookreplacement
>
> Thanks Tom - I have been getting that feeling.  The only real issue I
> have
> at the moment is that a recently installed system cleaner [XP Repair Pro
>
> 2007] has caused Outlook to crash every time there is mail to download
> or
> send.  The test settings works great and that test settings email is
> fine to
> both send and receive, the calendar and contacts works great, but I just
>
> can't send or receive regular emails.  I do download a 'shell' that
> includes
> an extra several dozen lines of stuff, then puts the 'email' at the
> wrong
> end of the queue, and crashes Outlook. Every time.  If there are no
> emails
> going out or coming in everything is fine with a 'send / receive' and it
>
> does not crash.  I did a backup prior to running the program, but
> restore
> doesn't help.  I have reinstalled Office twice and done 'detect and
> repair'
> about 5 times.  Next attempt will be to install on the other hard drive
> just
> to see if that will help.  XP Repair Pro 2007 folks say they don't
> understand it either and are working on the problem, but no luck yet.  I
>
> have had to go to an old version of Outlook Express to get email, and it
>
> does not integrate the calendar sharing function that I used a lot.
> Quite
> frustrating.
>
> Lee - I appreciate your suggestions >>"For e-mail, contacts and
> scheduling,
> take a look at Kontact, should be
> installed by default on KDE-based distros like Mepis and Kubuntu.<<   I
> should have mentioned I am a frequent but casual user.  I have not heard
> of
> the programs you mention.  Will Kontact let me share a calendar with a
> big
> corporate MS Office user?
> Thanks guys - BillR
> 1981 300 SD  286k miles,  and I got 28 mpg - half city, half open road
> driving - on the first tank after my new glow plugs were installed.  It
> will
> take awhile to pay for itself with the better MPG, but I like it.
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" 
> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 8:58 AM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers - hijacked to
> MSOffice/Outlookreplacement
>
>
>> Bill,
>>
>> You are 100% correct. For the casual user, Open Office is great but
> for
>> the
>> power user there is nothing like MS Office. And 2003 is the best
> version
>> to
>> date.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Tom Hargrave
>> www.kegkits.com
>> 256-656-1924
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> On Behalf Of BillR
>> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 7:51 AM
>

[MBZ] 1990 MERCEDES 300E 4 DOOR WAGON

[Glenn Brown]

For someone who might be interested in what appears to be a rust free gasser
wagon and may know if there's an inexpensive fix for the vapor lock problem:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-300e-4-door-wagon-no-reserve_W0QQitemZ220092427802QQcategoryZ6330QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

G. M. Brown
Rochester, NY

Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers - hijackedtoMSOffice/Outlookreplacement

[BillR]

Tom - I don't believe it is a hardware or memory problem as everything 
worked perfectly for the 2 years prior to installing "XP Repair Pro 2007". 
I have little doubt that program is the problem.  The continuing problem is 
that neither I nor the tech folks at XP Repair Pro 2007 can figure out how 
to get Outlook to download and send email.  I check for spyware regularly, 
though I don't expect that is the problem.

It remains a mystery, but one that is merely annoying, not a show stopper.
BillR

- Original Message - 
From: "Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'BillR'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'Mercedes Discussion List'" 


Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 1:56 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers - 
hijackedtoMSOffice/Outlookreplacement




Fortunately (or unfortunately, depending on your perspective), I work on
a lot of Windows boxes.

And over 90 percent of the issues I resolve can be attributed to one of
three causes.

1. Hardware not up the task, usually not enough memory.

2. Poorly written or incorrectly configured aftermarket application. For
example, aftermarket firewall and Windows firewall turned on.

3. A rogue application (spyware, etc) running, usually downloaded from a
porn or gambling site.

Of the systems I manage, I have zero issues with Windows. And the
systems run a mix of 98, 2000 and XP.

2000 was my favorite OS but XP SR2 is rock solid. I'm doing trial Vista
installs now and I don't have an opinion of the OS yet.

Office 2000 is excellent, Office XP is terrible and Office 2003 is even
better than 2000.

Most who experience Office issues either don't have adequate hardware or
are experiencing issues with aftermarket software. Neither of these are
Microsoft's fault.

Tom


-Original Message-
From: "BillR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: 3/16/07 8:32 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers - hijacked
toMSOffice/Outlookreplacement

Thanks Tom - I have been getting that feeling.  The only real issue I
have
at the moment is that a recently installed system cleaner [XP Repair Pro

2007] has caused Outlook to crash every time there is mail to download
or
send.  The test settings works great and that test settings email is
fine to
both send and receive, the calendar and contacts works great, but I just

can't send or receive regular emails.  I do download a 'shell' that
includes
an extra several dozen lines of stuff, then puts the 'email' at the
wrong
end of the queue, and crashes Outlook. Every time.  If there are no
emails
going out or coming in everything is fine with a 'send / receive' and it

does not crash.  I did a backup prior to running the program, but
restore
doesn't help.  I have reinstalled Office twice and done 'detect and
repair'
about 5 times.  Next attempt will be to install on the other hard drive
just
to see if that will help.  XP Repair Pro 2007 folks say they don't
understand it either and are working on the problem, but no luck yet.  I

have had to go to an old version of Outlook Express to get email, and it

does not integrate the calendar sharing function that I used a lot.
Quite
frustrating.

Lee - I appreciate your suggestions >>"For e-mail, contacts and
scheduling,
take a look at Kontact, should be
installed by default on KDE-based distros like Mepis and Kubuntu.<<   I
should have mentioned I am a frequent but casual user.  I have not heard
of
the programs you mention.  Will Kontact let me share a calendar with a
big
corporate MS Office user?
Thanks guys - BillR
1981 300 SD  286k miles,  and I got 28 mpg - half city, half open road
driving - on the first tank after my new glow plugs were installed.  It
will
take awhile to pay for itself with the better MPG, but I like it.


- Original Message - 
From: "Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" 
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 8:58 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers - hijacked to
MSOffice/Outlookreplacement



Bill,

You are 100% correct. For the casual user, Open Office is great but

for

the
power user there is nothing like MS Office. And 2003 is the best

version

to
date.

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
www.kegkits.com
256-656-1924


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

On Behalf Of BillR
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 7:51 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers - hijacked to MS
Office/Outlookreplacement

Luther, and other computer savvy folks,
I have a 2 - 3 year old Compaq Presario, which I am reasonably happy

with

[still miss my company owned laptop, though], running Windows XP.  I

would

be happy to find a good replacement for MS Office Professional 2003 -
especially Outlook.  From a quick look it does not seem that

OpenOffice

deals with schedules and email, though I am sure contacts are

included..

Am

I missing something?  I do a fair amount of word processing, and am in

the

middle of having to switch to Word from WP, but most of my com

Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers - hijacked toMSOffice/Outlookreplacement

[Tom Hargrave]

Fortunately (or unfortunately, depending on your perspective), I work on
a lot of Windows boxes.

And over 90 percent of the issues I resolve can be attributed to one of
three causes.

1. Hardware not up the task, usually not enough memory.

2. Poorly written or incorrectly configured aftermarket application. For
example, aftermarket firewall and Windows firewall turned on.

3. A rogue application (spyware, etc) running, usually downloaded from a
porn or gambling site.

Of the systems I manage, I have zero issues with Windows. And the
systems run a mix of 98, 2000 and XP.

2000 was my favorite OS but XP SR2 is rock solid. I'm doing trial Vista
installs now and I don't have an opinion of the OS yet.

Office 2000 is excellent, Office XP is terrible and Office 2003 is even
better than 2000.

Most who experience Office issues either don't have adequate hardware or
are experiencing issues with aftermarket software. Neither of these are
Microsoft's fault.

Tom


-Original Message-
From: "BillR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: 3/16/07 8:32 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers - hijacked
toMSOffice/Outlookreplacement

Thanks Tom - I have been getting that feeling.  The only real issue I
have 
at the moment is that a recently installed system cleaner [XP Repair Pro

2007] has caused Outlook to crash every time there is mail to download
or 
send.  The test settings works great and that test settings email is
fine to 
both send and receive, the calendar and contacts works great, but I just

can't send or receive regular emails.  I do download a 'shell' that
includes 
an extra several dozen lines of stuff, then puts the 'email' at the
wrong 
end of the queue, and crashes Outlook. Every time.  If there are no
emails 
going out or coming in everything is fine with a 'send / receive' and it

does not crash.  I did a backup prior to running the program, but
restore 
doesn't help.  I have reinstalled Office twice and done 'detect and
repair' 
about 5 times.  Next attempt will be to install on the other hard drive
just 
to see if that will help.  XP Repair Pro 2007 folks say they don't 
understand it either and are working on the problem, but no luck yet.  I

have had to go to an old version of Outlook Express to get email, and it

does not integrate the calendar sharing function that I used a lot.
Quite 
frustrating.

Lee - I appreciate your suggestions >>"For e-mail, contacts and
scheduling, 
take a look at Kontact, should be
installed by default on KDE-based distros like Mepis and Kubuntu.<<   I 
should have mentioned I am a frequent but casual user.  I have not heard
of 
the programs you mention.  Will Kontact let me share a calendar with a
big 
corporate MS Office user?
Thanks guys - BillR
1981 300 SD  286k miles,  and I got 28 mpg - half city, half open road 
driving - on the first tank after my new glow plugs were installed.  It
will 
take awhile to pay for itself with the better MPG, but I like it.


- Original Message - 
From: "Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" 
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 8:58 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers - hijacked to 
MSOffice/Outlookreplacement


> Bill,
>
> You are 100% correct. For the casual user, Open Office is great but
for 
> the
> power user there is nothing like MS Office. And 2003 is the best
version 
> to
> date.
>
> Thanks,
> Tom Hargrave
> www.kegkits.com
> 256-656-1924
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of BillR
> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 7:51 AM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers - hijacked to MS
> Office/Outlookreplacement
>
> Luther, and other computer savvy folks,
> I have a 2 - 3 year old Compaq Presario, which I am reasonably happy
with
> [still miss my company owned laptop, though], running Windows XP.  I
would
> be happy to find a good replacement for MS Office Professional 2003 -
> especially Outlook.  From a quick look it does not seem that
OpenOffice
> deals with schedules and email, though I am sure contacts are
included.. 
> Am
>
> I missing something?  I do a fair amount of word processing, and am in
the
> middle of having to switch to Word from WP, but most of my computer
time 
> is
> emails.  It is helpful to be able to share calendars with my wife [at
her
> office] and my MiL in her attached apartment.  Any suggestions?
>
> BillR
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Luther" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 12:40 AM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers
>
>
>> http://www.openoffice.org
>>
>> does all you need, and is compatible with Micro$#IT
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers

[Peter Frederick]

Less than 8, probably around 3 GB since it must install in the first 8 
GB of a drive on some older machines like mine (ROM limit on IDE drives 
-- when my B&W was new, it came with a 4 GB drive),


Boots a lot faster in 10.3.x, too.

Don't know about universal code on the new Intel macs, but I'd bet 6-8 
GB.  Intel code is clonky.


Peter

Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers

[Loren Faeth]

Myself included.  2000 is stable, relatively simple, more intuitive than 
any other windows os and without all the bloated kiddie candy of xp and 
vista.  First thing I do with XP or vista is make it look like 2000.  The 
only useful thing Xp added is remote desktop and remote assistance, 
although the latter was already available with third party freeware.


Right now updated and patched 2000 takes 6 gigs
updated and patched XP Pro takes 6 gigs
a clean install of vista takes 6 gigs
BTW, vista WILL install on a 10 gig drive.

Interesting.

How much space does a full install of OSX take?

NT 4 and prior was junk
95 and 98 are junk
Win 3.1.1 and prior were ridiculous compared to even the Apple II GS

I have xp and vista available through MS Partner subs, but I personally run 
2000 and now OSX


JMHO

At 10:12 AM 3/16/2007, you wrote:

Several tech support people I know all think that Windows 2000 was the
zenith of the NT-based OS line.


Loren Faeth 

Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers

[Allan Streib]

Peter Frederick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> The company I contract with has just gotten moved up to XP from 2000
> on our new computers -- seems a lot of the corporation wide software
> didn't run on XP, and believe me, getting custom written software
> onto a new platform ain't fast or easy!

Several tech support people I know all think that Windows 2000 was the
zenith of the NT-based OS line.

Allan
-- 
1983 300D
1966 230

Re: [MBZ] OM 617 badly sick (was 126 pre chambers)

[Peter Frederick]

Again, check for broken ball pins in the pre-chambers.  One floating 
around will make horrible noise even when the injector isn't firing, 
and makes tons of smoke (this just happened to a friend of mine on a 
602).  They can break suddenly, especially if they are in a poorly 
running engine that has something done to it, I think.  Wont' take long 
for it to damage the prechamber, too -- and that can mean shrapnel in 
the engine.


It will run OK, but will make white smoke cold, black hot, and sound 
like someone is pounding on the head with an Estwing framing hammer.


Peter

Re: [MBZ] Ground Crank Lifetime

[Peter Frederick]

Unless you have an oddball engine like the 617 in the 75 and 76 300D -- 
only a few engines around.  Besides, when put together properly, and 
done right, the crank will be like new.  My brother did his about 6 
years ago, and still has 3 bar of oil pressure at idle on Mobil 1 15w50 
at idle hot unless he just got off the highway, when it drops to about 
2.5 bar.  No wear in 20,000 miles at all, so far as we can tell.


Peter

Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers

[Peter Frederick]

The company I contract with has just gotten moved up to XP from 2000 on 
our new computers -- seems a lot of the corporation wide software 
didn't run on XP, and believe me, getting custom written software onto 
a new platform ain't fast or easy!


No one cares, actually, what system they are running -- the days when a 
new OS actually had real run time or operability improvements are long 
gone.  Usually, you cannot run the new OS on your old hardware because 
the video is too slow or doesn't have enough memory, and the 
"bloatware" now requires vast amounts of RAM.  We are putting safety 
data, recording process data, and generating reports, all of which is 
totally independent of what the screen looks like.


The tech people weren't excited at XP at all, having taken several 
years to get NT working properly for everyone and everything.


Peter

Re: [MBZ] Ground Crank Lifetime

[Peter Frederick]

Don't know, but I would suspect at least enough to give decent life out 
of the fourth repair size, else it wouldn't be recommended.


It's not the 30 second surface treatment that Chrysler used to use.

Peter

Re: [MBZ] DSE - Diesel Secret Energy

[Christopher McCann]

"DSE is basically this...mix veg oil with gasoline and this "secret stuff" that 
is mostly acetone.  Then run this in your car.'

AH, that's what I was looking for. 

Thanks Luther

Chris.


Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: cracked head.  I'm waiting for my head and 
I'll install a fresh set of injectors also.

DSE is basically this...mix veg oil with gasoline and this "secret stuff" that 
is mostly acetone.  Then run this in your car.

On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 19:51:19 -0500, Craig McCluskey  wrote:

> On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 16:41:29 -0600 "Kaleb C. Striplin"
>  wrote:
>
>> Why yes, I bought a 300SDL off the diesel secret guy, ask luther what it
>> did to that car.
>
> OK.
>
> Luther, what did it do to that car?
>
>
>
> Craig
>
>


-- 
Luther   KB5QHUAlma, Ark
'87 300SDL (271,xxx mi) cracked head
'83 300SD (244 kmi) for sale-sold?
'82 300CD (163 kmi)
'82 300D  (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold!
'85 300D (280,176) parts car/donor engine

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even better!

Chris

Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
http://biodiesel.infopop.cc/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/419605551/m/9741005301

On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 20:42:41 -0500, Luther  wrote:

> cracked head.  I'm waiting for my head and I'll install a fresh set of 
> injectors also.
>
> DSE is basically this...mix veg oil with gasoline and this "secret stuff" 
> that is mostly acetone.  Then run this in your car.
>
> On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 19:51:19 -0500, Craig McCluskey  wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 16:41:29 -0600 "Kaleb C. Striplin"
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> Why yes, I bought a 300SDL off the diesel secret guy, ask luther what it
>>> did to that car.
>>
>> OK.
>>
>> Luther, what did it do to that car?
>>
>>
>>
>> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] OM 617 badly sick (was 126 pre chambers)

[Richard Hattaway]

Hans,

The ring groove was damaged to the point that I felt it should be
replaced.  There is a measurment in the TDM on the ring clearance in
the groove, and this piston exceeded that number significantly.

I have not followed this thread enough to give anything but data on
*my* situation.  I did not have any knock or smoke, 'cause the begger
would'nt even run (c: .  Lack of compression.

Had it run, I am sure it would have smoked quite a bit.  I found the
liners to be within spec for wear.  So I left them in there.  At least
one ring on every piston was broken.  No liner damage.  Tough German
steel.  I could have replaced the entire jug, piston/liner/rings but
that was $125/jug and I did not want to spend the money at the time.  I
was simply experimenting to see what was possible on my old car.  Had I
been a commercial shop, I would have *never* done it that way.

That being said, these engines will produce horrible knock and smoke
when the only issue is coking of the injectors.  It might not be lower
end stuff at all.  Alan Duff had one that sounded like it was comming
apart, by anybody's standards.  He drove it till it cleared up (c: .

Richard


--- Hans Neureiter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> What you describe is as close as it gets to what I have.
> Accounts for the knock and the smoke.
> Why did you need a new piston? Did the rings damage the grooves ?
> 
> On 3/15/07, Richard Hattaway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Ditto what Jim says.  If you detect that the crank is
> gone/scored/etc,
> > then find another engine.  The crank is treated, and the average
> > lifetime of a ground MB crank is 10K miles.
> >
> > FWIW, at 400K+, my last 617 engine run low enough on oil (PO) to
> cause
> > heating / destruction of the rings and galling on #'s 1 and 2 main
> > bearing, the crank was at factory mfgr spec.  Installed standard
> > bearings and away we went.  Also FWIW, forget anything but German
> > bearings.  The American replacements failed to notice a shift in
> the
> > anti rotational notch on #3, making the new bearing useless.  I
> > reinstalled the old one.
> >
> > I purchased all rings, one piston, main and con rod bearings, all
> > gaskets, chain, and I think the total was 500-600 bux.  The piston,
> > chain and gasket sets were the majority of that.
> >
> > As Jim says, more data is needed.
> >
> > Richard
> > Mercedesless in NC
> >



 

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Re: [MBZ] Ground Crank Lifetime

[Richard Hattaway]

Because a very highly rated machine shop here told me that was the
average.

Why grind when replacements are available by the dozens.  Not the case
in your part of the world, I understand.  But here it makes no sense to
approach a repair in the same manner it is approached in S. Africa.

Richard


--- Peter Merle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Why do you say liftime of a ground crank is 10K miles!. I have one
> that's done 50K mile in on a vehicle and 80K mile in another with no
> sign of problems. Engineering shops here do not seem to harden cranks
> after ginding here ( S. Africa )
> Peter 
> 



 

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[MBZ] Greetings from the basement

[Curt Raymond]

Its nice to have a boss who seems to think everything I say is reasonable...
We've got a Nor'easter on the way so I suggested that if I was at work I'd just 
be worrying about getting home all day so I might as well work from home.
So here I am sitting in the basement next to the toasty warm woodstove.
My HP nw8000 connects nicely to the wireless network down here which surprised 
me a bit.
MB content: My wife took the 190D to work today, I'll swap with her at lunch so 
she can have the 4wd to get home. For some reason when she tries to start the 
car the starter lets go before the car starts but it never does that to me. I 
suspect she doesn't keep her foot on the throttle like she says she does. I 
need to actually be in the car with her one of these days to find out.

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Thanks Tom - I have been getting that feeling.  The only real issue I have 
at the moment is that a recently installed system cleaner [XP Repair Pro 
2007] has caused Outlook to crash every time there is mail to download or 
send.  The test settings works great and that test settings email is fine to 
both send and receive, the calendar and contacts works great, but I just 
can't send or receive regular emails.  I do download a 'shell' that includes 
an extra several dozen lines of stuff, then puts the 'email' at the wrong 
end of the queue, and crashes Outlook. Every time.  If there are no emails 
going out or coming in everything is fine with a 'send / receive' and it 
does not crash.  I did a backup prior to running the program, but restore 
doesn't help.  I have reinstalled Office twice and done 'detect and repair' 
about 5 times.  Next attempt will be to install on the other hard drive just 
to see if that will help.  XP Repair Pro 2007 folks say they don't 
understand it either and are working on the problem, but no luck yet.  I 
have had to go to an old version of Outlook Express to get email, and it 
does not integrate the calendar sharing function that I used a lot.  Quite 
frustrating.

Lee - I appreciate your suggestions >>"For e-mail, contacts and scheduling, 
take a look at Kontact, should be
installed by default on KDE-based distros like Mepis and Kubuntu.<<   I 
should have mentioned I am a frequent but casual user.  I have not heard of 
the programs you mention.  Will Kontact let me share a calendar with a big 
corporate MS Office user?
Thanks guys - BillR
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driving - on the first tank after my new glow plugs were installed.  It will 
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> Bill,
>
> You are 100% correct. For the casual user, Open Office is great but for 
> the
> power user there is nothing like MS Office. And 2003 is the best version 
> to
> date.
>
> Thanks,
> Tom Hargrave
> www.kegkits.com
> 256-656-1924
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] OSX

[Curt Raymond]

*Sigh* Mac people never learn...
Have you so quickly forgotten 10.2.7 that wiped out Firewire connected storage?
10.3.1 that would leave all systems totally unbootable?
Upgrades are the bane of all Mac techs. When I was a tech we'd get all kinds of 
early adopters getting screwed by Apple.

There was 10.4.3(I think) that made our hardware key not work or 10.3.6(again I 
think) that made one of our boards TOTALLY DISAPPEAR. Good times, good times.
Microsoft doesn't have a lock on crappy releases.

-Curt

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10.4.9.

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Bill,

You are 100% correct. For the casual user, Open Office is great but for the
power user there is nothing like MS Office. And 2003 is the best version to
date.

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Luther, and other computer savvy folks,
I have a 2 - 3 year old Compaq Presario, which I am reasonably happy with 
[still miss my company owned laptop, though], running Windows XP.  I would 
be happy to find a good replacement for MS Office Professional 2003 - 
especially Outlook.  From a quick look it does not seem that OpenOffice 
deals with schedules and email, though I am sure contacts are included..  Am

I missing something?  I do a fair amount of word processing, and am in the 
middle of having to switch to Word from WP, but most of my computer time is 
emails.  It is helpful to be able to share calendars with my wife [at her 
office] and my MiL in her attached apartment.  Any suggestions?

BillR

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> http://www.openoffice.org
>
> does all you need, and is compatible with Micro$#IT



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Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers - hijacked to MS Office/Outlook replacement

[Lee Einer]

BillR wrote:
> Luther, and other computer savvy folks,
> I have a 2 - 3 year old Compaq Presario, which I am reasonably happy with 
> [still miss my company owned laptop, though], running Windows XP.  I would 
> be happy to find a good replacement for MS Office Professional 2003 - 
> especially Outlook.  From a quick look it does not seem that OpenOffice 
> deals with schedules and email, though I am sure contacts are included..  Am 
> 
For e-mail, contacts and scheduling, take a look at Kontact, should be
installed by default on KDE-based distros like Mepis and Kubuntu.

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Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers - hijacked to MS Office/Outlook replacement

[BillR]

Luther, and other computer savvy folks,
I have a 2 - 3 year old Compaq Presario, which I am reasonably happy with 
[still miss my company owned laptop, though], running Windows XP.  I would 
be happy to find a good replacement for MS Office Professional 2003 - 
especially Outlook.  From a quick look it does not seem that OpenOffice 
deals with schedules and email, though I am sure contacts are included..  Am 
I missing something?  I do a fair amount of word processing, and am in the 
middle of having to switch to Word from WP, but most of my computer time is 
emails.  It is helpful to be able to share calendars with my wife [at her 
office] and my MiL in her attached apartment.  Any suggestions?


BillR

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http://www.openoffice.org

does all you need, and is compatible with Micro$#IT

Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers

[Curt Raymond]

Proving that "tech bulls" are idiots. Every real computer tech in the WORLD 
knew how this was going to play out.
In my office for instance we just finished rolling out XP to every desktop 
machine (I've had it for years of course).
There is no way we're going to turn around and start rolling in Vista just 
because it exists...
ESPECIALLY since Vista Enterprise STILL includes that horrifying "Windows 
Genuine Advantage" horsecrap. At least with our corporate copy of XP you don't 
have to activate...

-Curt

Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 22:22:59 -0400
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Microsoft Vista Sales Slip
in Digital Media | Tech | Web/Tech
Barron's Eric Savitz (Tech Trader Daily) notes that Windows' Vista  
isn't exactly lighting it up over at Amazon's Software best seller  
list. Quoting Fred Hickey, Savitz observes:

The real point here is that the slow uptake for Vista has ripples for  
the entire PC supply chain. ?Tech bulls expected Microsoft?s new  
operating system, Vista, to be a big demand driver in 2007,? Hickey  
writes in his newsletter. ?The PC industry built up inventory in  
anticipation of a major upgrade cycle. However, we now know that  
Vista?s intial reception, from both business and consumer customers,  
was far chiller than almost anyone imagined?Instead of a Vista  
pickup, it looks we?ve entered a Vista stall.?

We've made the same point several times over the past few months,  
twice last month alone.

And Vista? At the moment, its #37 on the Amazon Software Best Sellers  
-- behind such huge sellers such as Dragon Naturally Speaking Speech  
Recognition (14), Microsoft Streets and Trips 2007 (22), and Mavis  
Beacon Teaches Typing Deluxe (31).

What really must burn Ballmer & Co. is that Vista at #37 is one place  
behind #36 -- Apple's latest OS upgrade (Mac OS X Tiger 10.4.6.)  
considering that Apple's installed base is less than 4% of  
Microsoft's. . . .

Source:
Windows Vista: Not Exactly Selling Like Hotcakes At Amazon.com
Eric Savitz
Barron's blog  February 27, 2007, 4:28 pm
http://blogs.barrons.com/techtraderdaily/2007/02/27/
windows-vista-not-exactly-selling-like-hotcakes-at-amazoncom/




 
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Has anyone got a parts database running for their merc parts?  I
maintain mine on Excel but its becoming a bit overwhelming with some
600parts listed I have purchased with Price history and inventory
levels. I'd be keen to hear from someone who has bought /de signed a
suitable database.
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Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers

[LarryT]

   I think the hype outpaced reality.  I bought XP after it was out for a 
year or more so the bugs were resolved.  I still use Office Pro (includes 
Access) 97  which MS no longer supports.  I also have Open Office loaded on 
my machines but I have gotten so accustomered to some of the tweaks MS built 
into Office '97 that I haven't fully embraced Open.  Office.  There's a few 
things I have come to depend upon which I really use - but they don't exist 
in OO


I doubt there's anything in Vista I cannot live without - also, MS gets more 
& more intrusive with each new issue.  It's like the gov't - created to 
serve *us* but has been bastardized to the point where *we* serve it.   I 
used to dislike Messenger until I learned how to disable it.  But, IMHO, 
things like that should be offered to the user and the default should be 
havng it turned off with instructions for how to turn it on if we decide 
it's something we want to try ---


It's hard enough to keep these darn things running at s reasonable speed 
without having the OS add things that run in the background.


Have a nice weekend --
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Microsoft Vista Sales Slip
in Digital Media | Tech | Web/Tech
Barron's Eric Savitz (Tech Trader Daily) notes that Windows' Vista
isn't exactly lighting it up over at Amazon's Software best seller
list. Quoting Fred Hickey, Savitz observes:

The real point here is that the slow uptake for Vista has ripples for
the entire PC supply chain. “Tech bulls expected Microsoft’s new
operating system, Vista, to be a big demand driver in 2007,” Hickey
writes in his newsletter. “The PC industry built up inventory in
anticipation of a major upgrade cycle. However, we now know that
Vista’s intial reception, from both business and consumer customers,
was far chiller than almost anyone imagined…Instead of a Vista
pickup, it looks we’ve entered a Vista stall.”

We've made the same point several times over the past few months,
twice last month alone.

And Vista? At the moment, its #37 on the Amazon Software Best Sellers
-- behind such huge sellers such as Dragon Naturally Speaking Speech
Recognition (14), Microsoft Streets and Trips 2007 (22), and Mavis
Beacon Teaches Typing Deluxe (31).

What really must burn Ballmer & Co. is that Vista at #37 is one place
behind #36 -- Apple's latest OS upgrade (Mac OS X Tiger 10.4.6.)
considering that Apple's installed base is less than 4% of
Microsoft's. . . .

Source:
Windows Vista: Not Exactly Selling Like Hotcakes At Amazon.com
Eric Savitz
Barron's blog  February 27, 2007, 4:28 pm
http://blogs.barrons.com/techtraderdaily/2007/02/27/
windows-vista-not-exactly-selling-like-hotcakes-at-amazoncom/


On Mar 15, 2007, at 9:13 PM, Redghost wrote:


Seems that folks are not happy with Vista in Seattle.  Looks like just
weeks after launch, M$'s new OS is being offered on hardware sent
in as
recycling at RE-PC.  The south store has a PC running vista for the
low
price of $700.  Dude must have gotten it home and tore his hair out
for
a week, then took it to the shop, paid his $10 to get rid of it.  I
wonder how long before there are a stack of unhappy computers being
junked since the OS is such junk



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[MBZ] New Mercedes-McLaren F1 Team

[Jeff Zedic]

Speaking of the new team Chuck, we had a show on the other night all about
the team. Lots of behind the scenes footage of Lewis Hamilton moving up the
ranks from karting to GP2. He'll be interesting to watch!

Also footage of Fernando Alonso meeting the whole crew and some testing
footage in Valencia after their new car intro show spectacular!

BTW, I was at their headquarters a couple of weeks ago. They're only six
miles from me in Woking. Talk about an impressive place!! I only got as far
as the main car park as they were closed...it was Sunday. Could see their F1
trucks and the main building. I also suspect that there's a private test
track behind the dense foliage.

I'm also reasonably close to Silverstone circuit, as well as Brands Hatch.
Even more interesting is the fact that I'm VERY close to Brooklands! In
fact, it's mostly an industrial estate now but you can still see the
original banking! While visiting a friend in Scotland I found that he's only
six miles from Knock Hill racing circuit.

Close by as well is Feltham which is where Aston Martin was founded. Maybe
it's because the scale is smaller here but it all seems close to me.

The motoring industry is alive and well here! Still waiting to see my first
Ariel Ato on the road though.

Jeff Zedic

Re: [MBZ] Ground Crank Lifetime

[Peter Merle]

We don't have the Turbo ( 617.95x ) engines here. There are 4 repairs
sizes for bearings on the 617.9x engines 
STD 70.00mm
Repair I 69.75
Repair II 69.50
Repair III 69.25
Repair IV 69.00
Same appliers for th ebig ends.

How thick is the nitriding? More than 0.5 mm?
PEter


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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ground Crank Lifetime


MB specifies two regrind diameters, I don't think you will grind 
through the nitriding.  It's not a surface treatment like 'merican 
iron.

Do note that you need about 0.001" oil clearance -- the main cause of 
failure on a rebuild is excessive clearance on the mains and rods.  
Most 'merican engines won't rotate with 0.001" oil clearance because 
the crank and block aren't machined to close enough tolerances.  Benz 
(and Japanese) engines are.

Peter


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Re: [MBZ] OSX

[Gary Hurst]

i have 5 macs though

yes, i'm a sick man  :(


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Gary,

Took all of about 5 minutes.

Chuck
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> fine,make me waste my sleep time downloading this
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Re: [MBZ] OSX

[Chuck Landenberger]

Gary,

Took all of about 5 minutes.

Chuck
On Mar 15, 2007, at 10:18 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:


fine,make me waste my sleep time downloading this

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Me too, today .. 10.4.9!

Chuck
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10.4.9.

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Re: [MBZ] OSX

[Gary Hurst]

fine,make me waste my sleep time downloading this

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Me too, today .. 10.4.9!

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Re: [MBZ] Transmission Question

[Chris Lane]

So this would lead me to wonder if I could also get almost any transmission
from a w126 to work in my 82 300SD as well?  I'm sure that the auto in a
w123 300D will.  Of course what I would like is to replace the
atomatic with a 5 speed manual.  Are there any that would work, that I could
find, and could afford, and be able to just essentially bolt in?  I realize
there are issues as far as pedal setups, and the actual linkage.

On 3/15/07, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Yes, it will.  There are very slight differences in the valve body, but
it will work just fine.

Roger Conlon wrote:

> Hello:
>
> Well a transmission from a 89 420SEL be a bolt in replacement for
> a trans in a 88 560SEL.
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Re: [MBZ] OSX

[Chuck Landenberger]

Me too, today .. 10.4.9!

Chuck
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Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers

[Loren Faeth]

not much of a surprise:  Lets see:  $130 for a full version of OSX, or 
$300-400 for a poor imitation?  This article is from Jan 4, 2007 
Information Week:



1. Editor's Note: Vista Lagging, XP Unflagging

Cost of upgrading to business versions of Vista: $199, $299, or $399, 
depending on which edition you choose.


Cost of staying with Windows XP? Apparently priceless.

That's one logical conclusion based on the stories that InformationWeek 
readers are clicking on fast and furiously these days.


Take two of our most popular stories this week (both by Fred Langa): 
XP's 
No-Reformat, Nondestructive Total-Rebuild Option, in which Langa shows you 
how to completely rebuild, repair, or refresh an existing XP installation 
without losing data or having to reinstall user software, reformat, or 
otherwise destructively alter the setup; and 
XP 
On Your Thumb Drive, in which he offers a step-by-step guide on how to boot 
XP from an ordinary USB drive.


These stories about an old operating system are no spring chickens 
themselves: The first was published seven months ago, and the latter a full 
year ago. Perennial news about what appears might be a perennial operating 
system.


The XP lovefest doesn't stop there. This week we also published Bill 
O'Brien's very helpful hands-on piece 
Make 
Mine Media: How To Upgrade To Windows Media Center Edition, in which he 
berates Microsoft for only releasing Windows XP MCE to OEMs­and shows you 
how to turn your XP PC into a full-fledged media center. XP MCE! You can 
just hear the crowds chanting.


And the seemly inexhaustible delight that pollsters take in asking CIOs 
about their Vista upgrade plans continued this week with Deutsche Bank 
Equity Research surveying IT chiefs about their 2007 plans. The majority 
(63.6%) say they have absolutely no intention of upgrading to either Vista 
or Office 2007 in 2007. Only 10% definitely say they will upgrade to Vista 
this year. Sounds like it's XP for dinner again tonight.


What do you think? If you're not thoroughly exhausted from being asked 
about your Vista plans, give us your opinion by responding to 
my 
entry in the InformationWeek Weblog.


Alice LaPlante
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.informationweek.com

AND, Information Week has had a LOT of articles about how Windows users are 
going to Mac.  I myself have moved to an ibook with a windows remote 
desktop client on it.  Does everything I need on the road, for a small 
price and a very small  and light unit.  And as a bonus, the 4-5 year old 
iboook still lasts twice as long on a battery charge as any windows laptop 
I have ever seen or used.  THe Macbook is awesome  SWMBO has a Macbook with 
both OSX and XP Pro.  It is flat out the best value in a windows laptop!



At 08:13 PM 3/15/2007, you wrote:

Seems that folks are not happy with Vista in Seattle.


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Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers

[Luther]

http://www.openoffice.org

does all you need, and is compatible with Micro$#IT


On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 20:54:44 -0600, Peter Frederick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I'm not surprised, actually.  The hype MS blows about their OS has
> always been quite out of proportion to the usefulness of the product,
> and their prices are, well, extreme.
>
> If they sold it for $50 and got rid of the stupid "you have to be on
> line and let us check your computer every week) I MIGHT be interested
> -- I got off the Microsoft wagon about Windows 95.  Switched back to
> Apple, and will use Linux if I have to use a PC box.
>
> I only use their office software because I'm forced to, it's not all
> that great (I've been a registered WP user since 1986).
>
> At long last, I think people are actually thinking about what they are
> doing, and Vista is just a pretty face upgrade -- the kernel is, just
> like OS X, the Mach 10 from BSD.  $399 for a pretty screen?  Not bloody
> likely.
>
> Funny that we are all using an OS first written in 1965.
>
> Peter
>
>


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Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers

[Peter Frederick]

I'm not surprised, actually.  The hype MS blows about their OS has 
always been quite out of proportion to the usefulness of the product, 
and their prices are, well, extreme.


If they sold it for $50 and got rid of the stupid "you have to be on 
line and let us check your computer every week) I MIGHT be interested 
-- I got off the Microsoft wagon about Windows 95.  Switched back to 
Apple, and will use Linux if I have to use a PC box.


I only use their office software because I'm forced to, it's not all 
that great (I've been a registered WP user since 1986).


At long last, I think people are actually thinking about what they are 
doing, and Vista is just a pretty face upgrade -- the kernel is, just 
like OS X, the Mach 10 from BSD.  $399 for a pretty screen?  Not bloody 
likely.


Funny that we are all using an OS first written in 1965.

Peter

Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers

[Craig McCluskey]

On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 21:29:04 -0400 "Ed Booher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> *sobs* I loved that keyboard. But 400 tons of junk on top of anything
> in a move will destroy it.

So that's how you personify your last name?  :-)


Craig

Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers

[L. Mark Finch]

Microsoft Vista Sales Slip
in Digital Media | Tech | Web/Tech
Barron's Eric Savitz (Tech Trader Daily) notes that Windows' Vista  
isn't exactly lighting it up over at Amazon's Software best seller  
list. Quoting Fred Hickey, Savitz observes:


The real point here is that the slow uptake for Vista has ripples for  
the entire PC supply chain. “Tech bulls expected Microsoft’s new  
operating system, Vista, to be a big demand driver in 2007,” Hickey  
writes in his newsletter. “The PC industry built up inventory in  
anticipation of a major upgrade cycle. However, we now know that  
Vista’s intial reception, from both business and consumer customers,  
was far chiller than almost anyone imagined…Instead of a Vista  
pickup, it looks we’ve entered a Vista stall.”


We've made the same point several times over the past few months,  
twice last month alone.


And Vista? At the moment, its #37 on the Amazon Software Best Sellers  
-- behind such huge sellers such as Dragon Naturally Speaking Speech  
Recognition (14), Microsoft Streets and Trips 2007 (22), and Mavis  
Beacon Teaches Typing Deluxe (31).


What really must burn Ballmer & Co. is that Vista at #37 is one place  
behind #36 -- Apple's latest OS upgrade (Mac OS X Tiger 10.4.6.)  
considering that Apple's installed base is less than 4% of  
Microsoft's. . . .


Source:
Windows Vista: Not Exactly Selling Like Hotcakes At Amazon.com
Eric Savitz
Barron's blog  February 27, 2007, 4:28 pm
http://blogs.barrons.com/techtraderdaily/2007/02/27/
windows-vista-not-exactly-selling-like-hotcakes-at-amazoncom/


On Mar 15, 2007, at 9:13 PM, Redghost wrote:


Seems that folks are not happy with Vista in Seattle.  Looks like just
weeks after launch, M$'s new OS is being offered on hardware sent  
in as
recycling at RE-PC.  The south store has a PC running vista for the  
low
price of $700.  Dude must have gotten it home and tore his hair out  
for

a week, then took it to the shop, paid his $10 to get rid of it.  I
wonder how long before there are a stack of unhappy computers being
junked since the OS is such junk

Re: [MBZ] DSE - Diesel Secret Energy

[Chuck Landenberger]

Hi all,

Just a comment, but the link Luther noted below is OVER a year old!
I suppose we should just let them go for the "pot of gold" and  
destroy their cars.  The story line is:  "The Gullible Americans"...


Gonna' go watch F1 in an hour and see how the new Mercedes-McLaren  
team looks.


Take care,

Chuck
Phoenix, AZ
On Mar 15, 2007, at 6:51 PM, Luther wrote:

http://biodiesel.infopop.cc/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/419605551/m/ 
9741005301

Re: [MBZ] DSE - Diesel Secret Energy

[Luther]

http://biodiesel.infopop.cc/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/419605551/m/9741005301

On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 20:42:41 -0500, Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> cracked head.  I'm waiting for my head and I'll install a fresh set of 
> injectors also.
>
> DSE is basically this...mix veg oil with gasoline and this "secret stuff" 
> that is mostly acetone.  Then run this in your car.
>
> On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 19:51:19 -0500, Craig McCluskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 16:41:29 -0600 "Kaleb C. Striplin"
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>> Why yes, I bought a 300SDL off the diesel secret guy, ask luther what it
>>> did to that car.
>>
>> OK.
>>
>> Luther, what did it do to that car?
>>
>>
>>
>> Craig
>>
>>
>
>



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'82 300CD (163 kmi)
'82 300D  (74 kmi) getting donor engine
'85 300D (280,176) parts car

Re: [MBZ] DSE - Diesel Secret Energy

[Luther]

cracked head.  I'm waiting for my head and I'll install a fresh set of 
injectors also.

DSE is basically this...mix veg oil with gasoline and this "secret stuff" that 
is mostly acetone.  Then run this in your car.

On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 19:51:19 -0500, Craig McCluskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 16:41:29 -0600 "Kaleb C. Striplin"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Why yes, I bought a 300SDL off the diesel secret guy, ask luther what it
>> did to that car.
>
> OK.
>
> Luther, what did it do to that car?
>
>
>
> Craig
>
>


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'83 300SD (244 kmi) for sale-sold?
'82 300CD (163 kmi)
'82 300D  (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold!
'85 300D (280,176) parts car/donor engine

Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers

[Ed Booher]

On 3/15/07, Mike Canfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

You can buy a brand new Compaq with AMD 2 gig processor running Vista at
Staples for $600.  It's actually a very nice PC.  I bought oneTook it
back after a few days as I am so used to my IBM laptop that the Compaq was a
pain to learn and not fast enough to make it worth it to me to keep the
upgrade.  IBM has this little mouse thing in the middle of the keyboard that
makes it so nice.Almost no movement at all to mouse and it is very
compact.

Mike


The mouse stick, I used to have one of the old IBM tank keyboards that
you could do pretty much anything to and they would still work that
had that mouse stick in the center of it.

*sobs* I loved that keyboard. But 400 tons of junk on top of anything
in a move will destroy it.
--
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Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers

[Mike Canfield]

You can buy a brand new Compaq with AMD 2 gig processor running Vista at 
Staples for $600.  It's actually a very nice PC.  I bought oneTook it 
back after a few days as I am so used to my IBM laptop that the Compaq was a 
pain to learn and not fast enough to make it worth it to me to keep the 
upgrade.  IBM has this little mouse thing in the middle of the keyboard that 
makes it so nice.Almost no movement at all to mouse and it is very 
compact.


Mike
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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" ; "Banned List" 
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Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 9:13 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers



Seems that folks are not happy with Vista in Seattle.  Looks like just
weeks after launch, M$'s new OS is being offered on hardware sent in as
recycling at RE-PC.  The south store has a PC running vista for the low
price of $700.  Dude must have gotten it home and tore his hair out for
a week, then took it to the shop, paid his $10 to get rid of it.  I
wonder how long before there are a stack of unhappy computers being
junked since the OS is such junk


--
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Seattle Bioburner

1972 220D - Gump
1995 E300D - Cleo
1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz


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Re: [MBZ] Antenna success

[Jim Cathey]

The only thing I can think of is that either 1) One of the bottom 
rubber stand-offs was dislodged upon my initial reinstallation...


I vote for that, especially if it was the one by the belt.  That
could easily have slipped off and jammed the belt directly.

-- Jim

[MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers

[Redghost]

Seems that folks are not happy with Vista in Seattle.  Looks like just 
weeks after launch, M$'s new OS is being offered on hardware sent in as 
recycling at RE-PC.  The south store has a PC running vista for the low 
price of $700.  Dude must have gotten it home and tore his hair out for 
a week, then took it to the shop, paid his $10 to get rid of it.  I 
wonder how long before there are a stack of unhappy computers being 
junked since the OS is such junk



--
Clay
Seattle Bioburner

1972 220D - Gump
1995 E300D - Cleo
1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz

Re: [MBZ] DSE - Diesel Secret Energy

[Craig McCluskey]

On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 16:41:29 -0600 "Kaleb C. Striplin"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Why yes, I bought a 300SDL off the diesel secret guy, ask luther what it
> did to that car.

OK.

Luther, what did it do to that car?



Craig