Re: [MBZ] Tri-Y headers in a 450sl

[Peter Frederick]

I don't think the ports are different, but I do not know that for a 
fact.  The easiest way is to measure them off the car (best if you can 
find a set of each not installed!).


I know the left side is different than the right, and the right side 
for my W108 is different than the one in the 107 (I have both engines), 
but I don't know for sure on the 500.


Likely it will fit, but I wouldn't want to pull the set to find out 
they don't!


Peter

Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel from animal fats

[Rich Thomas]

They said it was not a very large fraction of daily or annual usage, but 
it was dealing with a product that was in good supply for faily cheap, 
and displacing "food" crops.


Also, tax credits were a substantial element of the cost-effectiveness 
of the whole deal.  I have sorta mixed feelings about tax aspects, as 
that really clouds up the "real" costs of doing something, and 
comparative economics.  Some argue that the energy independence aspect 
offsets lost govt revenue and paying for "wars for oil" (the price of 
both keep going up, so neither appears to be too effective, but I 
digress...), while others say it is a gift to the all bidness.


--R

Allan Streib wrote:

Anyone happen to know what the daily consumption of diesel fuel (in
gallons) is in the USA?  I'm just curious how much 175M gallons
represents.

R

Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel from animal fats

[Rich Thomas]

This would create quite a conundrum for the greenie petas, on the one 
had a renewable fuel, but one derived from animal products.


Then there is the whole religious aspect.

--R

Chris Lane wrote:

It seems like that woulc be a great idea, except for the gell point of
animal fats being higher than that of plant based fats.  Lard, chicken fat,
and tallow are all solid at room temperature and higher.  Ghee which is
basicly clarified butter, is also solid at room temperature.  Olive oil,
rapeseed, and most other vegetable fats are liquid to much lower
temperatures.  This could limit the usefulness of biodiesel made from these
fats to warmer climates/summertime use only.  On the other hand, bacon
flavored biodiesel exhaust!  Yummy!
Chris

On 4/17/07, Bob Rentfro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

Rich thought:

"Next they will be catching McDonalds, Denny's, and KFC customers coming
out the doors...that could solve our energy issues right there."

Lends a whole new meaning to "hauling ass".

Bob R.




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Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel from animal fats

[Loren Faeth]

Dave exposed the real gig.  Just a ploy to get more bucks from us via Uncle.

At 03:16 PM 4/17/2007, you wrote:

Amen!

Bob R

- Original Message -
From: "dave walton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel from animal fats


> If they only add 0.0001% alternative fuel sources to the existing
> production, they will reap 100's of millions in biofuel tax credits
> without affecting fuel quality. With a little creative chemistry the
> biofuel additives will not even appear in road fuel. It will all end
> up in asphalt.
>
> -Dave Walton
>
> On 4/17/07, Rich Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> ConocoPhilips and Tyson are going to team up to make BioD from chicken
>> fat, and beef/pork fat too.  175M gal/yr they say.  Was an article in
>> WSJ yesterday, one in the Houston Comical today.
>>
>> Next they will be catching McDonalds, Denny's, and KFC customers coming
>> out the doors...that could solve our energy issues right there.
>>
>> --R
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel from animal fats

[Loren Faeth]

Soylent green BioD.   nothing new

At 12:34 PM 4/17/2007, you wrote:

Next they will be catching McDonalds, Denny's, and KFC customers coming
out the doors...that could solve our energy issues right there.

--R


Loren Faeth 

Re: [MBZ] Just like Willie Nelson

[Loren Faeth]

for what its worth, i am parting out a 76 300D.  Not much for sheet 
metal, but lots of little goodies if you need anything.  Has a dark 
tan interior.  Not so dark as the Tobacco color.


At 03:34 PM 4/17/2007, you wrote:

"R A Bennell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


Loren Faeth 

Re: [MBZ] Just like Willie Nelson

[R A Bennell]

Hello Ed

No problem at all. Rusty sends by US Postal Service and the Post Office here 
delivers it to me. If I recall
corretly, I have not even been dinged for the $5 fee on it. They just dropped 
the box off. Worst case scenario
should be the taxes and $5 fee at the post office.

Now, if you use FedEx, you will get dinged big time for the brokerage fees. I 
have been there and done that and
won't again if I can avoid it at all.

Randy

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of E M
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 3:50 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Just like Willie Nelson


Hi Randy,
Just a quick question.  Have you had any problems bringing stuff over the
border, with regards to customs, brokers fees, etc., other than just paying
the GST?  I'd like to give Rusty some business as I understand he helps keep
the site going.  Like you, I want to put a little list together to make the
order worth while.

Ed
300E

On 17/04/07, R A Bennell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I'm on the road again! Put insurance and plates on my 76 115 300D and
> drove it for the first time since Halloween,
> last evening. Seems to have wintered alright in my garage. Was warm enough
> today that I tried the AC at lunch and
> it appears to be still working. I wondered about that. We switched to 134
> last summer with one of those basic kits
> from Wal-Mart.
>
> Needed another vehicle as my wife's Toyota Avalon has an issue and now so
> does my F150 Supercrew. Front brakes
> started grinding on my truck so changed out the front rotors and pads on
> Sunday. Had a look at the back and
> discovered I have leaking axle seals on both sides. Picked up more parts
> yesterday but have not got them installed
> yet. Enjoying the car instead.
>
> Avalon has a problem with the coupling at the end of the steering shaft
> where it meets the rack. It tries to seize
> up. Did it a couple of years ago and I was not able to get the part
> quickly so I soaked it and put it back on. Two
> years later I have to do it again or find the part.
>
> So, sometimes it is handy to have "spare" vehicles kicking around. Put
> plates back on my old 4Runner and wife is
> driving it. She won't touch the MB as she is afraid I would be upset if
> something happened to it while she was
> driving it.
>
> Car seems to run as well as it did last fall. Started on the first try but
> had to hold the accelerator down a bit
> until it warmed a little.
>
> Car lost a bit of anti freeze over the winter. A bit of a puddle under it
> so will need to follow up on that. Same
> thing happened the winter before and it does not seem to leak much in the
> summer. Something that contracts with the
> cold??
>
> Plug on the oil pan leaking a drop or two as well. Changed the oil when I
> put it away last fall. Will have to crawl
> under and tighten a small bit. Bought a new pan and plug from Rusty last
> year but never managed to get it installed
> yet. A PO had obviously done the current pan some damage around the drain
> plug as it is a bit dinged and has been
> brazed.
>
> Time to make another order from Rusty but got to look it over and decide
> what I might need. Have never crawled
> under far enough to seriously check out the flex disks in the drive shaft.
> That is on my list to look at.
>
> Got a new stereo for it for my birthday back in the winter so will have to
> see about an install. Scared me today -
> the current radio/tapedeck is intermittent and was not working this
> morning. Coming back from lunch I turned a hard
> left and it came on midcorner.
>
> Randy in Winnipeg
>
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Re: [MBZ] Just like Willie Nelson

[E M]

Hi Randy,
Just a quick question.  Have you had any problems bringing stuff over the
border, with regards to customs, brokers fees, etc., other than just paying
the GST?  I'd like to give Rusty some business as I understand he helps keep
the site going.  Like you, I want to put a little list together to make the
order worth while.

Ed
300E

On 17/04/07, R A Bennell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I'm on the road again! Put insurance and plates on my 76 115 300D and
drove it for the first time since Halloween,
last evening. Seems to have wintered alright in my garage. Was warm enough
today that I tried the AC at lunch and
it appears to be still working. I wondered about that. We switched to 134
last summer with one of those basic kits
from Wal-Mart.

Needed another vehicle as my wife's Toyota Avalon has an issue and now so
does my F150 Supercrew. Front brakes
started grinding on my truck so changed out the front rotors and pads on
Sunday. Had a look at the back and
discovered I have leaking axle seals on both sides. Picked up more parts
yesterday but have not got them installed
yet. Enjoying the car instead.

Avalon has a problem with the coupling at the end of the steering shaft
where it meets the rack. It tries to seize
up. Did it a couple of years ago and I was not able to get the part
quickly so I soaked it and put it back on. Two
years later I have to do it again or find the part.

So, sometimes it is handy to have "spare" vehicles kicking around. Put
plates back on my old 4Runner and wife is
driving it. She won't touch the MB as she is afraid I would be upset if
something happened to it while she was
driving it.

Car seems to run as well as it did last fall. Started on the first try but
had to hold the accelerator down a bit
until it warmed a little.

Car lost a bit of anti freeze over the winter. A bit of a puddle under it
so will need to follow up on that. Same
thing happened the winter before and it does not seem to leak much in the
summer. Something that contracts with the
cold??

Plug on the oil pan leaking a drop or two as well. Changed the oil when I
put it away last fall. Will have to crawl
under and tighten a small bit. Bought a new pan and plug from Rusty last
year but never managed to get it installed
yet. A PO had obviously done the current pan some damage around the drain
plug as it is a bit dinged and has been
brazed.

Time to make another order from Rusty but got to look it over and decide
what I might need. Have never crawled
under far enough to seriously check out the flex disks in the drive shaft.
That is on my list to look at.

Got a new stereo for it for my birthday back in the winter so will have to
see about an install. Scared me today -
the current radio/tapedeck is intermittent and was not working this
morning. Coming back from lunch I turned a hard
left and it came on midcorner.

Randy in Winnipeg


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[MBZ] Just like Willie Nelson

[R A Bennell]

I'm on the road again! Put insurance and plates on my 76 115 300D and drove it 
for the first time since Halloween,
last evening. Seems to have wintered alright in my garage. Was warm enough 
today that I tried the AC at lunch and
it appears to be still working. I wondered about that. We switched to 134 last 
summer with one of those basic kits
from Wal-Mart.

Needed another vehicle as my wife's Toyota Avalon has an issue and now so does 
my F150 Supercrew. Front brakes
started grinding on my truck so changed out the front rotors and pads on 
Sunday. Had a look at the back and
discovered I have leaking axle seals on both sides. Picked up more parts 
yesterday but have not got them installed
yet. Enjoying the car instead.

Avalon has a problem with the coupling at the end of the steering shaft where 
it meets the rack. It tries to seize
up. Did it a couple of years ago and I was not able to get the part quickly so 
I soaked it and put it back on. Two
years later I have to do it again or find the part.

So, sometimes it is handy to have "spare" vehicles kicking around. Put plates 
back on my old 4Runner and wife is
driving it. She won't touch the MB as she is afraid I would be upset if 
something happened to it while she was
driving it.

Car seems to run as well as it did last fall. Started on the first try but had 
to hold the accelerator down a bit
until it warmed a little.

Car lost a bit of anti freeze over the winter. A bit of a puddle under it so 
will need to follow up on that. Same
thing happened the winter before and it does not seem to leak much in the 
summer. Something that contracts with the
cold??

Plug on the oil pan leaking a drop or two as well. Changed the oil when I put 
it away last fall. Will have to crawl
under and tighten a small bit. Bought a new pan and plug from Rusty last year 
but never managed to get it installed
yet. A PO had obviously done the current pan some damage around the drain plug 
as it is a bit dinged and has been
brazed.

Time to make another order from Rusty but got to look it over and decide what I 
might need. Have never crawled
under far enough to seriously check out the flex disks in the drive shaft. That 
is on my list to look at.

Got a new stereo for it for my birthday back in the winter so will have to see 
about an install. Scared me today -
the current radio/tapedeck is intermittent and was not working this morning. 
Coming back from lunch I turned a hard
left and it came on midcorner.

Randy in Winnipeg

Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel from animal fats

[Robert & Tara Ludwick]

There's a turkey biodiesel plant  near the  Con Agra turkey processing 
plant in Carthage Missouri that's been doing just that for a couple of 
years. Problem is they miscalculated operating costs ( turns out that 
the gvmnt didn't outlaw feeding animal parts back to the animals , Mad 
cow disease anyone?? ) so they are having to pay for the waste instead 
of getting it for free. Tyson ought to be able to pull it off since they 
are in a closed system for by-product processing within their company( 
they own their own rendering plants already ).


Robert

Rich Thomas wrote:
ConocoPhilips and Tyson are going to team up to make BioD from chicken 
fat, and beef/pork fat too.  175M gal/yr they say.  Was an article in 
WSJ yesterday, one in the Houston Comical today.


Next they will be catching McDonalds, Denny's, and KFC customers coming 
out the doors...that could solve our energy issues right there.


--R


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Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel from animal fats

[Bob Rentfro]

Amen!

Bob R

- Original Message - 
From: "dave walton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel from animal fats



If they only add 0.0001% alternative fuel sources to the existing
production, they will reap 100's of millions in biofuel tax credits
without affecting fuel quality. With a little creative chemistry the
biofuel additives will not even appear in road fuel. It will all end
up in asphalt.

-Dave Walton

On 4/17/07, Rich Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

ConocoPhilips and Tyson are going to team up to make BioD from chicken
fat, and beef/pork fat too.  175M gal/yr they say.  Was an article in
WSJ yesterday, one in the Houston Comical today.

Next they will be catching McDonalds, Denny's, and KFC customers coming
out the doors...that could solve our energy issues right there.

--R


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Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel from animal fats

[Allan Streib]

Anyone happen to know what the daily consumption of diesel fuel (in
gallons) is in the USA?  I'm just curious how much 175M gallons
represents.

Rich Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> ConocoPhilips and Tyson are going to team up to make BioD from
> chicken fat, and beef/pork fat too.  175M gal/yr they say.  Was an
> article in WSJ yesterday, one in the Houston Comical today.
>
> Next they will be catching McDonalds, Denny's, and KFC customers
> coming out the doors...that could solve our energy issues right
> there.
>
> --R

-- 
1983 300D
1966 230

Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel from animal fats

[Christopher McCann]

Kansas City experimented some years back with BioD made from beef fat in its 
bus fleet and it was successful...don't know any details...I am sure it was a 
blend of some sort.

For a city known for Bar-b-q, I think it's an ingenious marketing ploy to fill 
the city with the  smell of beef and pork. Now, would pork fat biodiesel fumes 
cause problems for Jews and Muslims? What about BioD derived from 
non-Kosher/non-Halal beef?

Chris



dave walton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: If they only add 0.0001% alternative 
fuel sources to the existing
production, they will reap 100's of millions in biofuel tax credits
without affecting fuel quality. With a little creative chemistry the
biofuel additives will not even appear in road fuel. It will all end
up in asphalt.

-Dave Walton

On 4/17/07, Rich Thomas  wrote:
> ConocoPhilips and Tyson are going to team up to make BioD from chicken
> fat, and beef/pork fat too.  175M gal/yr they say.  Was an article in
> WSJ yesterday, one in the Houston Comical today.
>
> Next they will be catching McDonalds, Denny's, and KFC customers coming
> out the doors...that could solve our energy issues right there.
>
> --R
>
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What year is your truck?  Does it have a 5 speed manny?  I believe you 
mentioned that it has the Bosch VE IP rather than the rotary type on the 1st 
gen Cummins engines which would classify it as a 2nd gen Cummins, no 
electronic crap.  Regarding the longer rev range, I believe mine redlines at 
either 3600 or 3800RPM.  It sure is a lot quieter than my neighbor's 2000 
3rd gen 24v engine.  I heard that the 5.9L Cummins is being phased out and 
replaced with a 6.7L model.
BTW, I wasn't referring to driving the truck on the beach at Long Beach 
although we did get it stuck in the sand last time out and got pulled out by 
some nice Canadians.  They were romping around in a VW Acapulco Thing and 
came back with their ford PowerChoke 6.0L pickup.  We go to the Eagle's Nest 
Resort in Ilwaco a few times a year with the travel trailer,  and go down to 
the beach with the RC's and to let the doggies have a good run.

Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
1983 300SD 267K miles, Ursula 

Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel from animal fats

[dave walton]

If they only add 0.0001% alternative fuel sources to the existing
production, they will reap 100's of millions in biofuel tax credits
without affecting fuel quality. With a little creative chemistry the
biofuel additives will not even appear in road fuel. It will all end
up in asphalt.

-Dave Walton

On 4/17/07, Rich Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

ConocoPhilips and Tyson are going to team up to make BioD from chicken
fat, and beef/pork fat too.  175M gal/yr they say.  Was an article in
WSJ yesterday, one in the Houston Comical today.

Next they will be catching McDonalds, Denny's, and KFC customers coming
out the doors...that could solve our energy issues right there.

--R


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Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel from animal fats

[Sunil Hari]

or you could have inline or in-tank heating elements to keep the stuff
liquid.  One solution is easier than the other.

On 4/17/07, Chris Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


It seems like that woulc be a great idea, except for the gell point of
animal fats being higher than that of plant based fats.  Lard, chicken
fat,
and tallow are all solid at room temperature and higher.  Ghee which is
basicly clarified butter, is also solid at room temperature.  Olive oil,
rapeseed, and most other vegetable fats are liquid to much lower
temperatures.  This could limit the usefulness of biodiesel made from
these
fats to warmer climates/summertime use only.  On the other hand, bacon
flavored biodiesel exhaust!  Yummy!
Chris

On 4/17/07, Bob Rentfro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Rich thought:
>
> "Next they will be catching McDonalds, Denny's, and KFC customers coming
> out the doors...that could solve our energy issues right there."
>
> Lends a whole new meaning to "hauling ass".
>
> Bob R.
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel from animal fats

[Chris Lane]

It seems like that woulc be a great idea, except for the gell point of
animal fats being higher than that of plant based fats.  Lard, chicken fat,
and tallow are all solid at room temperature and higher.  Ghee which is
basicly clarified butter, is also solid at room temperature.  Olive oil,
rapeseed, and most other vegetable fats are liquid to much lower
temperatures.  This could limit the usefulness of biodiesel made from these
fats to warmer climates/summertime use only.  On the other hand, bacon
flavored biodiesel exhaust!  Yummy!
Chris

On 4/17/07, Bob Rentfro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Rich thought:

"Next they will be catching McDonalds, Denny's, and KFC customers coming
out the doors...that could solve our energy issues right there."

Lends a whole new meaning to "hauling ass".

Bob R.




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[MBZ] Tri-Y headers in a 450sl

[Mathieu J . Cama]

Fellow listers,

I have a client with a '76 450sl. In an attempt to improve performance 
a bit, we are considering installing the tri-Y headers and downpipes 
from a 500slc and fabricating a custom exhaust (or modified 500slc 
exhaust) for the remainder. Both are m117 motors and as such I believe 
the 500slc headers will bolt right up to the heads. Given they are both 
107 cars, there should be no issue with steering box clearance. What I 
do not know is if there a size difference with the exhaust ports that 
needs to be reconciled? Has anyone BTDT? Anything to be wary of? This 
car does not need to pass emissions so those issues are moot. FWIW, 
this is a former California spec car.


Thank you in advance.

Mathieu
www.oldworldauto.com

Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel from animal fats

[Bob Rentfro]

Rich thought:

"Next they will be catching McDonalds, Denny's, and KFC customers coming 
out the doors...that could solve our energy issues right there."


Lends a whole new meaning to "hauling ass".

Bob R.

Re: [MBZ] OT: Apple Enthusiast has Quite a COllection

[andrew strasfogel]

I guess if I have to ask wtf that means I don't need another six pack of
Macs.

On 4/13/07, Ed Booher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


On 4/12/07, andrew strasfogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I really love our upgraded Imac but am hard pressed as to how I could
> utilize another half dozen or more...
>

XGrid and distributed computing :)

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[MBZ] Biodiesel from animal fats

[Rich Thomas]

ConocoPhilips and Tyson are going to team up to make BioD from chicken 
fat, and beef/pork fat too.  175M gal/yr they say.  Was an article in 
WSJ yesterday, one in the Houston Comical today.


Next they will be catching McDonalds, Denny's, and KFC customers coming 
out the doors...that could solve our energy issues right there.


--R

Re: [MBZ] 124 Coupe

[John Freer]

That is why you see 2 different engine numbers for the 104.

On 4/17/07, Donald Snook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

OK Don wrote:



"I find this site a convenient way to answer such questions. The info is
not complete, but I've yet to find an error.



http://home.hiwaay.net/%7Egbf/mbmodels.html



124 Coupes

Chassis Engine  ModelYears

124.050 103.983 300CE   88-89

124.051 104.980 300CE   90-93

124.052 104.992 300CE/E320 94-95

124.066 104.992 300CE/E320 93-95"





Thanks, Don that will be helpful.  I was reading about the different
versions of the 104 engine.  One article I found said that the earliest
versions of the 104 were still 3.0 liters and they had a different fuel
injection system. They had significantly more HP than the 103 engine.
Then later the 104 version was 3.2 liters and had 217 HP.   According to
this there is a 3.0 liter M104 and a 3.2 liter of the M104.  I didn't
think this sounded correct.  But, I guess it is irrelevant.





Donald H. Snook

McDonald, Tinker, Skaer, Quinn & Herrington, P.A.

300 West Douglas

P.O. Box 207

Wichita, Kansas 67201 0207

Tel. (316) 263-5851

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[MBZ] Issues with the M104 3.0

[Donald Snook]

As I understand it, the problems areas with the 104 engines (3.0 or 3.2)
are head gaskets.  Is that correct?  Is the head gasket problem a matter
of when not if? When it fails does it leak oil externally or does it
leak coolant into the block. Are these the only major problems with the
92 124.   Do they have the wiring harness problems?   I am seriously
considering buying a 92 124 Coupe and just want to be prepared, so I can
budget.  

 

Donald H. Snook

1990 300SEL 137K (For Sale) 

[MBZ] FW: Today's Diesel Prices

[Tom Hargrave]

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
www.kegkits.com
256-656-1924
 

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   On-Highway Diesel Prices, by Week and PADD
(Self Service Cash Price in Dollars per Gallon, Including Taxes)

Diesel Prices Web URL:
http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/oog/info/wohdp/diesel.asp

   Average All Types

US
NATL   EASTNEWCENTLOWER   GULF   ROCKY   WEST
 DATE   AVGCOAST ENGLAND   ATL ATL   MIDWEST  COAST   MTN   COAST
CA

   PADD   PADDPADDPADDPADDPADD   PADDPADD
 I IA  IB  IC  II III IV  V
--  -  - ---  -   -  ---  -  -  -
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070416  2.877  2.862  2.871   2.885   2.852   2.864   2.849  2.981  2.956
3.015
070409  2.840  2.813  2.821   2.852   2.796   2.835   2.810  2.951  2.921
2.978
070402  2.790  2.764  2.786   2.820   2.739   2.780   2.766  2.884  2.885
2.939
070326  2.676  2.657  2.713   2.711   2.630   2.655   2.643  2.780  2.803
2.869
070319  2.681  2.661  2.722   2.719   2.631   2.666   2.640  2.765  2.813
2.875
070312  2.685  2.669  2.730   2.719   2.643   2.673   2.644  2.736  2.811
2.899
070305  2.626  2.604  2.693   2.668   2.568   2.606   2.587  2.658  2.795
2.897
070226  2.551  2.526  2.650   2.598   2.483   2.523   2.497  2.568  2.790
2.911
070219  2.491  2.479  2.636   2.581   2.421   2.444   2.418  2.517  2.784
2.901
070212  2.476  2.465  2.625   2.564   2.408   2.429   2.394  2.517  2.777
2.905
070205  2.435  2.433  2.593   2.527   2.378   2.377   2.360  2.523  2.720
2.825
070129  2.413  2.406  2.570   2.508   2.347   2.349   2.347  2.556  2.687
2.761
070122  2.430  2.421  2.582   2.525   2.361   2.371   2.361  2.586  2.695
2.742
070115  2.463  2.437  2.622   2.559   2.368   2.408   2.391  2.625  2.749
2.773
070108  2.537  2.520  2.672   2.633   2.458   2.483   2.459  2.682  2.824
2.856
070101  2.580  2.565  2.710   2.681   2.503   2.534   2.500  2.697  2.853
2.883
061225  2.596  2.587  2.737   2.710   2.520   2.550   2.514  2.713  2.856
2.885
061218  2.606  2.599  2.730   2.722   2.535   2.555   2.519  2.716  2.887
2.917
061211  2.621  2.610  2.749   2.730   2.546   2.563   2.540  2.724  2.931
2.963
061204  2.618  2.610  2.716   2.717   2.555   2.578   2.537  2.707  2.860
2.860
061127  2.567  2.537  2.634   2.652   2.479   2.554   2.490  2.680  2.760
2.710
061120  2.553  2.521  2.625   2.638   2.461   2.554   2.469  2.647  2.724
2.690
061113  2.552  2.530  2.616   2.643   2.473   2.562   2.470  2.623  2.673
2.677
061106  2.506  2.508  2.613   2.628   2.448   2.493   2.449  2.577  2.606
2.637
061030  2.517  2.530  2.629   2.646   2.472   2.501   2.462  2.577  2.602
2.645
061023  2.524  2.537  2.636   2.651   2.480   2.502   2.477  2.563  2.628
2.669
061016  2.503  2.521  2.623   2.636   2.462   2.459   2.461  2.539  2.655
2.703
061009  2.506  2.533  2.649   2.654   2.471   2.448   2.446  2.584  2.697
2.751
061002  2.546  2.567  2.678   2.694   2.503   2.467   2.490  2.679  2.789
2.835
060925  2.595  2.600  2.730   2.746   2.526   2.506   2.526  2.827  2.892
2.910
060918  2.713  2.699  2.832   2.844   2.625   2.624   2.636  3.052  3.014
3.002
060911  2.857  2.826  2.955   2.958   2.757   2.787   2.770  3.236  3.137
3.125
060904  2.967  2.911  3.009   3.032   2.850   2.937   2.872  3.318  3.199
3.175
060828  3.027  2.955  3.035   3.074   2.897   3.026   2.923  3.346  3.229
3.200
060821  3.033  2.953  3.049   3.078   2.890   3.041   2.923  3.349  3.237
3.221
060814  3.065  3.017  3.077   3.130   2.964   3.065   2.974  3.311  3.218
3.220
060807  3.055  3.026  3.061   3.104   2.989   3.070   2.988  3.208  3.113
3.130
060731  2.980  2.958  2.991   3.030   2.924   2.988   2.925  3.052  3.066
3.093
060724  2.946  2.925  2.972   3.002   2.888   2.951   2.895  2.987  3.047
3.097
060717  2.926  2.906  2.970   2.992   2.864   2.927   2.868  2.960  3.051
3.097
060710  2.918  2.887  2.947   2.963   2.849   2.919   2.866  2.966  3.060
3.113
060703  2.898  2.874  2.948   2.951   2.834   2.887   2.845  

Re: [MBZ] Fickle Love

[Jim Cathey]

that Cummins with it's 325hp and 610Lb/Ft of torque will quickly


Ours, older, has about 100/300 less, but it's still pretty nice.
Usually it's shackled with the camper, though.  I love the way
it pulls in third, the new ones probably can do the same in
fourth.  The rev range is longer on the newer ones too, so
that would be nicer.  I still prefer the styling of the
94+ models.


I haven't gotten the nerve to open it up other than on the beach
at Long Beach, WA.


A fine place for such things.  Just try to avoid the wet shoulder
in favor of the dry one!  (Family has a cabin at LB, I've logged
more than a few hours there.)

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Fickle Love

[Donald Snook]

Rich Thomas wrote: 

 

I am trying to figure out if your wife runs away when she sees you with 

a bucket and sponge, or not.

 

I read my email and some of the responses (including this one) to my
wife and she said we are all dorks.  She just doesn't understand about
men and cars.   

 

Donald H. Snook

1990 300SEL 137K 

Re: [MBZ] Fickle Love

[Donald Snook]

Kaleb wrote: 

 

That is why I have so many cars.  When I get tired of one I move on to 

another, pretty soon Im ready for yet another car, its the circle of 

life.

 

That is true, Kaleb.  I wish I had more room to keep more cars.  As it
is, I have a two car garage with a one car driveway.  I have thought
about storing an extra car at the parking garage at my office.   Maybe I
will explore that.  

 

Donald H. Snook

1990 300SEL 137K (For Sale) 

Re: [MBZ] 124 Coupe

[Donald Snook]

OK Don wrote: 

 

"I find this site a convenient way to answer such questions. The info is
not complete, but I've yet to find an error.

 

http://home.hiwaay.net/%7Egbf/mbmodels.html

 

124 Coupes

Chassis Engine  ModelYears

124.050 103.983 300CE   88-89 

124.051 104.980 300CE   90-93 

124.052 104.992 300CE/E320 94-95 

124.066 104.992 300CE/E320 93-95" 

 

 

Thanks, Don that will be helpful.  I was reading about the different
versions of the 104 engine.  One article I found said that the earliest
versions of the 104 were still 3.0 liters and they had a different fuel
injection system. They had significantly more HP than the 103 engine.
Then later the 104 version was 3.2 liters and had 217 HP.   According to
this there is a 3.0 liter M104 and a 3.2 liter of the M104.  I didn't
think this sounded correct.  But, I guess it is irrelevant.  

 

 

Donald H. Snook

McDonald, Tinker, Skaer, Quinn & Herrington, P.A. 

300 West Douglas

P.O. Box 207

Wichita, Kansas 67201 0207

Tel. (316) 263-5851

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Re: [MBZ] Speed

[Craig McCluskey]

On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 08:03:04 -0500 "OK Don" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 3 positive, probably less than 2 negative. I can't imagine the high
> G's that the air show and champion aerobatic pilots pull ---

When I was in USAF field training, we cadets got a flight in a T34. We
pulled 5.6 g positive. I don't recall how many negative, but it wasn't
too much, since I was a complete rookie.


Craig

Re: [MBZ] Fickle Love

[Loren Faeth]

Back in my college years, when all I had was the stately pace of the 
200D, I loved going for a fling on my R75/5.  Cures the need for 
speed that keeps most people away from the steady pace of a 200D or 
240D automatic.  Kinda similar to when I lived in Hawaii,  Whenever I 
had enough heat, I'd go clean the walkin freezer.  That always cured 
any desire I had to see winter.



Recently I've been driving the SL again, and tonight my wife and
I ended up caravanning home.  (She in the 300Dt.)  On the nice
flat open spot near home she romped on it.  So did I, and I blew
right past her.  No matter how pleasant to drive, you can't do
that in the Frankenheap!  I love the periodic change of steed.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Speed

[OK Don]

3 positive, probably less than 2 negative. I can't imagine the high
G's that the air show and champion aerobatic pilots pull ---



Is that positive or negative 3 Gs? :-)

Craig


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sit there."
Will Rogers
'90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager

Re: [MBZ] Fickle Love

[Kevin Kraly]

I blew
right past her.  No matter how pleasant to drive, you can't do
that in the Frankenheap!  I love the periodic change of steed.

The difference is  just as pronounced in the SD and the Cummins Diesel.  The 
SD is faster than the old NA 300D/CD's, but that Cummins with it's 325hp and 
610Lb/Ft of torque will quickly put your back right into the seat when you 
give it a good"ROMP".  I don't even drive them, but I understand.  When I 
need my own fix behind the wheel, out comes the 1:10 scale RC10GT race 
truck, .75hp of nitro-burning beast that can get up to 40mph or so in a 
little over 1.5 seconds!!  Then, there's the lumbering 1:8 scale Traxxas 
Revo monstertruck with double the power, 4WD and a 2spd transmission, 55mph 
top speed right out of the box!  They say that it can top 60mph with a few 
mods, but I haven't gotten the nerve to open it up other than on the beach 
at Long Beach, WA.


Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
'83 300SD 267K miles, Ursula
'06 Dodge QC/CTD pickup, 4K miles, THE TRUCK! 

Re: [MBZ] retro Becker

[Fmiser]

rumor has it that Jim wrote:

> Sheesh, if I could charge for my time I could have _bought_
> one of those new Mexicos!

Aghh! 

Where's the fun in _buying_ a solution?!?

But someday it could be nice to _try_ it - just once

--  Philip, who as often spent 6hr to avoid buying a $5 fix

Re: [MBZ] retro Becker

[Jim Cathey]

Run out of microwaves?  ;)


Nope!  The problem is in figuring out how to make it fit and look
nice while being very solidly attached, yet doing no harm to
the Becker.  FYI, I think the sheet metal is all figured out,
now I have to put connectors in it and wire it all up.  Oh,
and provide a substitute for the now-missing dial light.

The profile of the two sheet metal pieces is:

|
|o  <--- New dial lamp
-
|__|  <- Bolt intertie
|  |
   |  <- Face plate covers all tape holes
   |
   |

Sheesh, if I could charge for my time I could have _bought_
one of those new Mexicos!

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Fickle Love

[Jim Cathey]

That is why I have so many cars.  When I get tired of one I move on to
another, pretty soon Im ready for yet another car, its the circle of 
life.


Exactly my sentiments!

Recently I've been driving the SL again, and tonight my wife and
I ended up caravanning home.  (She in the 300Dt.)  On the nice
flat open spot near home she romped on it.  So did I, and I blew
right past her.  No matter how pleasant to drive, you can't do
that in the Frankenheap!  I love the periodic change of steed.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Speed

[Bob Rentfro]

You'd probably see your lunch again...

Bob r


- Original Message - 
From: "OK Don" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 7:54 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Speed



Ahh - but it's the journey, not the destination that matters - I like
mine circuitous, winding (in three dimensions), sometimes inverted,
etc. 3 G's didn't seem uncomfortable back when I was young - wonder
what it would be like now ---


>
I would like to be able to say to a few friends, "Why don't we have lunch 
in

Reno or Carmel today."

RLE/Seattle
>


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"Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just
sit there."
Will Rogers
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Re: [MBZ] Speed

[Craig McCluskey]

On Mon, 16 Apr 2007 21:54:25 -0500 "OK Don" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 3 G's didn't seem uncomfortable back when I was young - wonder
> what it would be like now ---

Is that positive or negative 3 Gs? :-)


Craig

Re: [MBZ] 124 Coupe

[OK Don]

I find this site a convenient way to answer such questions. The info
is not complete, but I've yet to find an error.

http://home.hiwaay.net/%7Egbf/mbmodels.html

124 Coupes
Chassis Engine  ModelYears  
124.050 103.983 300CE   88-89   
124.051 104.980 300CE   90-93   
124.052 104.992 300CE/E320  94-95   
124.066 104.992 300CE/E320  93-95

On 4/16/07, Donald Snook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Peter F. wrote:
"Most likely it will be badged 320E if it has the M104."

That is what I thought too. But, I think the coupe versions for 90-93
had the 104 engine but were still called 300CE

Donald H. Snook


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Norman, OK
"Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just
sit there."
Will Rogers
'90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager

Re: [MBZ] Speed

[OK Don]

Ahh - but it's the journey, not the destination that matters - I like
mine circuitous, winding (in three dimensions), sometimes inverted,
etc. 3 G's didn't seem uncomfortable back when I was young - wonder
what it would be like now ---


>
I would like to be able to say to a few friends, "Why don't we have lunch in
Reno or Carmel today."

RLE/Seattle
>


--
OK Don, KD5NRO
Norman, OK
"Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just
sit there."
Will Rogers
'90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager

Re: [MBZ] Fickle Love

[Bob Rentfro]

Wow...that's deep...

Bob R

- Original Message - 
From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 4:59 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fickle Love



That is why I have so many cars.  When I get tired of one I move on to
another, pretty soon Im ready for yet another car, its the circle of life.

Donald Snook wrote:

We finally had a nice weekend here in Wichita (after getting an inch of
snow a few days prior), so I wanted to get outside and enjoy the
sunshine.  I mowed the yard and washed and waxed my car.  I spent a few
hours (waxing a LWB 126 is a serious effort). I cleaned the tires and
wheels and treated all the vinyl and plastic and detailed the interior.
It looks great.   Now, I love my car again!  It looks so nice when it is
clean and  shiny and perfect.   How fickle I am!  A week ago I liked the
car, but was out there looking for its replacement.   Now, I am in love
again.



Don't get me wrong. I am still selling it. I am just surprised how often
I fall back in love with my car when I spend all day cleaning it up.
The best thing about it, is I really enjoy doing it and at least I got
to enjoy the sun.



Donald H. Snook

1990 300SEL 137K (For Sale)



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 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2,
 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] 124 Coupe

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

you are correct

Donald Snook wrote:
Peter F. wrote: 

 

"Most likely it will be badged 320E if it has the M104." 

 


That is what I thought too. But, I think the coupe versions for 90-93
had the 104 engine but were still called 300CE 

 

 


Donald H. Snook

1990 300SEL 137K 


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Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
 92 300E 4Matic, (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL,
 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2,
 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] I love my SDL!

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

which SDL was this?

Loren Faeth wrote:
All winter  my daughter has been driving my SDL because I have been 
stuck using the Dog van because i have had to haul stuff.  She 
brought it back Sat morning for the photo shoot for the NYT.  I found 
bad glow plugs, a bad wiper blade and a plugged fuel filter.  Guess 
she didn't exactly keep it up.  I changed the wiper and the fuel 
filter.  Plugs will be soon.


I decided to take it for a trip of about 450 miles 
yesterday.  WOW!  The van is nice and i don't mind driving it, but it 
sure is nice to be in the SDL again!  On the way back I got in a 
convoy going 80ish for a while.  I wish I could really let er 
rip!  But cruising at 80+ is what this car was made for.  The SDL is 
a wonderful car!  The color combination used on the 1986 S class 
brochure is beautiful!


Loren Faeth 



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Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
 92 300E 4Matic, (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL,
 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2,
 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250
http://www.okiebenz.com