Re: [MBZ] Mobil 1 ATF fluid
once you try it you will never ask again! ;-) Shifts are much smoother yet remain crisp - that's the most noticable change but there's others also - quieter operation for one. Gotta go - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: Hendrik Fay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 11:09 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mobil 1 ATF fluid What's the viscosity rating of M1 ATF compared to the ATF you where using before? Just trying to establish if M1 ATF is worth the extra $$'s. Hendrik Allan Streib wrote: I don't know about the Timken load test, but the shifting performance on subzero mornings was much improved in my 300D when I switched to M1 ATF. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.0/1216 - Release Date: 1/9/2008 10:16 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Vacuum elements in a 85 300SD (126 chassis) - any one else been here?
Have a look at these wikkis from over at Mercedes Shop -- they may help, since the 126 back-of-dash is very similar to the 123, only roomier (really!). http://www.mercedesshop.com/Wikka/W123HVACVacuumActuators http://www.mercedesshop.com/Wikka/W123Evaporator That being said, I'll tell you the solution Dave Morrison (the author of those two articles) suggested to me. Unplug the vacuum element, stick a golf tee or whatever in the end of the tube, and use a small block of packing foam (not a peanut, the closed-cell type stuff) to block the louver door open. We have the ability to close it with the dash lever, which has nothing to do with the vacuum-controlled flap, so why do we need both? After hours of annoyance and frustration, THAT suggestion was a flat forehead moment. Especially here in Texas, we cool far more than we heat, so we tend to want the center vent open far more than closed. I've done it to four 123s and two 126s, and I love it. The center vent is open until I decide to shut it, and the vacuum system works fine. And the little pink vacuum pods stay where they are, unmolested, unneeded, and causing no problems. New elements are darned expensive, and replacing them with salvaged ones only delays the problem since that soft diaphragm is going to tear eventually, and the hard plastic is already very brittle. Just a suggestion -- it's sure easier than what you're doing. BTW, has anyone ever wondered, as I have, what posessed the Sindelfingen engineers to use pink plastic for these? The first time I pulled a dash at a boneyard and saw these little pink blobs tucked back there (I didn't know what they were yet!) I thought, WHAT the Sunny Women and cats will do as they please. Men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea. Robert A. Heinlein ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Vacuum elements in a 85 300SD (126 chassis) - any oneelse been here?
I know that I have called Rusty and replaced a the vacuum pods before. I find that it is the best way to fix the problem as that everything works like the manual says. Of course if the car is not work fixing, then just patching might be the best option. However I have found that it takes the same amount of work to patch a car as it does to fix one, thus it is often better to start with a better car, and when your done you have a nice car. Trampas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sunny Letot Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 7:41 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Vacuum elements in a 85 300SD (126 chassis) - any oneelse been here? Have a look at these wikkis from over at Mercedes Shop -- they may help, since the 126 back-of-dash is very similar to the 123, only roomier (really!). http://www.mercedesshop.com/Wikka/W123HVACVacuumActuators http://www.mercedesshop.com/Wikka/W123Evaporator That being said, I'll tell you the solution Dave Morrison (the author of those two articles) suggested to me. Unplug the vacuum element, stick a golf tee or whatever in the end of the tube, and use a small block of packing foam (not a peanut, the closed-cell type stuff) to block the louver door open. We have the ability to close it with the dash lever, which has nothing to do with the vacuum-controlled flap, so why do we need both? After hours of annoyance and frustration, THAT suggestion was a flat forehead moment. Especially here in Texas, we cool far more than we heat, so we tend to want the center vent open far more than closed. I've done it to four 123s and two 126s, and I love it. The center vent is open until I decide to shut it, and the vacuum system works fine. And the little pink vacuum pods stay where they are, unmolested, unneeded, and causing no problems. New elements are darned expensive, and replacing them with salvaged ones only delays the problem since that soft diaphragm is going to tear eventually, and the hard plastic is already very brittle. Just a suggestion -- it's sure easier than what you're doing. BTW, has anyone ever wondered, as I have, what posessed the Sindelfingen engineers to use pink plastic for these? The first time I pulled a dash at a boneyard and saw these little pink blobs tucked back there (I didn't know what they were yet!) I thought, WHAT the Sunny Women and cats will do as they please. Men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea. Robert A. Heinlein ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W108 hydropneumatic compensator - useless trivia
I chased an air bag solution for 123 body Mercedes a while ago and at least back then, one did not exist. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fmiser Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 9:04 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] W108 hydropneumatic compensator - useless trivia It seems than at Wed, 09 Jan 2008 17:16:14 -0600, Loren wrote: I have never seen one other than the pictures in the manual. I always wanted one for my 200D, because I often carried loads. I never found one. My solution was to buy airbags from Airlift in Detriot and put them in the main springs. They work well. The last I knew, Airlift was still around and you can still buy the right size airbags to put inside the springs. Loren That won't work on a W123 'cause the damper is inside the spring. I could really use something, though. Air shocks? *shutter* --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.0/1216 - Release Date: 1/9/2008 10:16 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Fibre channel?
Thanks Gary, Hopefully next week I can squeeze in some time to try it... We use Fibre for video SANs where 1Gb Ethernet is too slow. 10Gb is still just over the horizon -Curt Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 17:05:17 -0600 From: Gary Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Fibre channel? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 There are still applications where Fiber Channel is king. It gives you a level of determinism you simply can't get from Ethernet. That can be important to some transaction processing and data acquisition systems. Yes, you should be able to use a 4Gb SFP in place of a 2Gb, provided everything else is equal (both have same wavelength and drive the same type of fiber). Gary Thompson (telecom nerd) 1995 E320 - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Gas 123 for Dan
From The Star: 1977 280E: Silver w/Beige. 166K mi, Eurospec, 5-spd. Recent repaint, new window seals, clutch, radiator, water pump, brakes, valve adjustment. Fully U.S. certified. Ex. condition. $4,900 OBO. Chuck Whitney, 701-523-5992, Bowman, ND, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wow. Someone in Iowa needs this for sure. Tom ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] S124 300TE low miles $850
That was me, and I would be all over it. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 7:37 PM Subject: [MBZ] S124 300TE low miles $850 I remember somebody saying this week that its a pity there was never a 300TE 2.5 in the USA. I'm now struggling to ignore that little voice that's telling me to buy this heap and stuff my 190D engine in it. http://www.auto-rv.com/browse.aspx?AdName=BM2480089 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Fibre channel?
You can team multiple 1Gb ports for at least 4Gb total throughput. Gives you the same throughput as Fibre for less than 1/10 the price. -Dave Walton On Jan 10, 2008 8:49 AM, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Gary, Hopefully next week I can squeeze in some time to try it... We use Fibre for video SANs where 1Gb Ethernet is too slow. 10Gb is still just over the horizon -Curt Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 17:05:17 -0600 From: Gary Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Fibre channel? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 There are still applications where Fiber Channel is king. It gives you a level of determinism you simply can't get from Ethernet. That can be important to some transaction processing and data acquisition systems. Yes, you should be able to use a 4Gb SFP in place of a 2Gb, provided everything else is equal (both have same wavelength and drive the same type of fiber). Gary Thompson (telecom nerd) 1995 E320 - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Fibre channel?
Fibre was originally used for is still used for SAN (Storage Area Network) drives and the drives are usually very high end RAID arrays. A SAN has the advantages of speed (if properly designed) and accessibility. You can deploy a SAN behind multiple servers access the drives from all of the servers at the same time. There are lest costly solutions for a RAID that's dedicated to a single server. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 7:49 AM To: Diesel List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Fibre channel? Thanks Gary, Hopefully next week I can squeeze in some time to try it... We use Fibre for video SANs where 1Gb Ethernet is too slow. 10Gb is still just over the horizon -Curt Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 17:05:17 -0600 From: Gary Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Fibre channel? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 There are still applications where Fiber Channel is king. It gives you a level of determinism you simply can't get from Ethernet. That can be important to some transaction processing and data acquisition systems. Yes, you should be able to use a 4Gb SFP in place of a 2Gb, provided everything else is equal (both have same wavelength and drive the same type of fiber). Gary Thompson (telecom nerd) 1995 E320 - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.0/1216 - Release Date: 1/9/2008 10:16 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
I think that pre-algebra in college is largely for folks like me Today I'll be teaching subnet masking in binary, go fig... I took an english class in college where I was by far the best in the class, the bottom end were only vaugely literate. Fortunately the other students had no idea of the bell curve that I was ruining. The teacher finally told me that if I agreed to do a self study for the next class up the ladder (English 300 IIRC) he'd let me sleep through the class I was in (English 200). That alone went a long way to my minor in English. The later classes (British lit for example) were a bitch -Curt Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 20:53:39 -0500 From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 yeah, i did the whole school thing too and what a total waste of time it was. a friend of mine dropped out when he was 16 and took his GED and just went to college. I tried the same thing and my confused euro immigrant dad was on the verge of killing me for dropping out of school. i've been looking at the courses at area colleges and many of them are on the 5th or 6th grade level anyway. do you know that you can take pre algebra at university? it is also interesting that homeschool students have relatively stringent requirements to enter open enrollment state schools while regular students are largely open enrollment. I cannot, however, find information on how to enroll a 10 year old. - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] S124 300TE low miles $850
It's a European model with a European VIN - no CarFax. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Allan Streib Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 8:37 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] S124 300TE low miles $850 Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I remember somebody saying this week that its a pity there was never a 300TE 2.5 in the USA. I'm now struggling to ignore that little voice that's telling me to buy this heap and stuff my 190D engine in it. http://www.auto-rv.com/browse.aspx?AdName=BM2480089 No title? That could be some extra hassle. Be sure to run a Carfax on the VIN. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.0/1216 - Release Date: 1/9/2008 10:16 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 1988 Mercedes Benz 300SE - $6500
1988 Mercedes Benz 300SE - $6500 http://bloomington.craigslist.org/car/525079463.html No affiliation etc, the shop that is mentioned is the indy I use from time to time, good guy. If anyone wants me to check it out let me know. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] S124 300TE low miles $850
Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I remember somebody saying this week that its a pity there was never a 300TE 2.5 in the USA. I'm now struggling to ignore that little voice that's telling me to buy this heap and stuff my 190D engine in it. http://www.auto-rv.com/browse.aspx?AdName=BM2480089 No title? That could be some extra hassle. Be sure to run a Carfax on the VIN. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Fibre channel?
You can replace the functionality and speed of a SCSI SAN with iSCSI using SATA drives - if properly designed. iSCSI runs over Ethernet just fine. There is no technical advantage to Fibre Channel in today's market, other that the fact that people are already heavily invested in it. The advantage of SAN has been that the logical drive appears to be a locally attached hard disk. iSCSI does that as well. You can boot from it and/or put your SQL datafiles on it (Microsoft prevents you from putting SQL Datafiles on mapped drives). While you are technically able to have multiple computers using the same SAN partition, Windows does not have the smarts to keep the filesystem intact for shared access - that is a higher level function. You need to run an application that is able to manage the SAN volume such as SQL Clustering. Even with that, only one server is actually reading/writing to the volume at any given time. Of course you can also create an NTFS partition on a Fibre SAN or iSCSI Server and have computers map to it like any other share. -Dave Walton On Jan 10, 2008 9:18 AM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fibre was originally used for is still used for SAN (Storage Area Network) drives and the drives are usually very high end RAID arrays. A SAN has the advantages of speed (if properly designed) and accessibility. You can deploy a SAN behind multiple servers access the drives from all of the servers at the same time. There are lest costly solutions for a RAID that's dedicated to a single server. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 7:49 AM To: Diesel List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Fibre channel? Thanks Gary, Hopefully next week I can squeeze in some time to try it... We use Fibre for video SANs where 1Gb Ethernet is too slow. 10Gb is still just over the horizon -Curt Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 17:05:17 -0600 From: Gary Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Fibre channel? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 There are still applications where Fiber Channel is king. It gives you a level of determinism you simply can't get from Ethernet. That can be important to some transaction processing and data acquisition systems. Yes, you should be able to use a 4Gb SFP in place of a 2Gb, provided everything else is equal (both have same wavelength and drive the same type of fiber). Gary Thompson (telecom nerd) 1995 E320 - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.0/1216 - Release Date: 1/9/2008 10:16 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: 94 Bonneville was Request for a Car FAX/more
Jim F. wrote: If it hasn't been in a flood, go for it! I would be really interested in this car if it only has 57,000 miles. Is it the SSEI or just the SSE? Does it have leather seats? How much do they want for it and where is it? Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Fibre channel?
We use Fibre for video SANs where 1Gb Ethernet is too slow. 10Gb is still just over the horizon One year ago 10G transceivers were $1000 each. Not sure about today, I'm sure it has come down. Our big-a** switch has 24 1G ports on a blade, or 2 10G ports. I think the 10G is mostly used for long-haul lines right now. Lines tens of kilometers long, that sort of thing. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Vacuum elements in a 85 300SD (126 chassis) - anyone else been here?
Then again, we could consider recognizing that Sindelfingen is a good number of lattitudes north of Dallas, Texas, and their understanding in the 1970s and 1980s of Texas' needs in terms of climate control was seriously lacking. This I know for a fact, having been to dinner more than once with some of those engineers between 1975 and 1980. I can't vouch for their level of understanding after that. Or we could assume (and you know what they say about ass-u-me) that a car's condition is poor because an owner wants to choose whether the vents are open or closed, rather than leave it to the dictates of a long-gone German engineering team that was designing for an environment not remotely similar to North Texas.. The other option, one I consider the best, is to recognize that someone asked a question, and folks will offer different ways of addressing the problem posed. As long as safety is not an issue, we can write off differences of opinion without sniping, and allow the guy with the problem to choose his path from the options provided. -- Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 08:07:05 -0500 From: Trampas Subject: Re: [MBZ] Vacuum elements in a 85 300SD (126 chassis) - any oneelse been here? To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I know that I have called Rusty and replaced a the vacuum pods before. I find that it is the best way to fix the problem as that everything works like the manual says. Of course if the car is not work fixing, then just patching might be the best option. However I have found that it takes the same amount of work to patch a car as it does to fix one, thus it is often better to start with a better car, and when your done you have a nice car. Trampas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sunny Letot Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 7:41 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Vacuum elements in a 85 300SD (126 chassis) - any oneelse been here? Have a look at these wikkis from over at Mercedes Shop -- they may help, since the 126 back-of-dash is very similar to the 123, only roomier (really!). http://www.mercedesshop.com/Wikka/W123HVACVacuumActuators http://www.mercedesshop.com/Wikka/W123Evaporator That being said, I'll tell you the solution Dave Morrison (the author of those two articles) suggested to me. Unplug the vacuum element, stick a golf tee or whatever in the end of the tube, and use a small block of packing foam (not a peanut, the closed-cell type stuff) to block the louver door open. We have the ability to close it with the dash lever, which has nothing to do with the vacuum-controlled flap, so why do we need both? After hours of annoyance and frustration, THAT suggestion was a flat forehead moment. Especially here in Texas, we cool far more than we heat, so we tend to want the center vent open far more than closed. I've done it to four 123s and two 126s, and I love it. The center vent is open until I decide to shut it, and the vacuum system works fine. And the little pink vacuum pods stay where they are, unmolested, unneeded, and causing no problems. New elements are darned expensive, and replacing them with salvaged ones only delays the problem since that soft diaphragm is going to tear eventually, and the hard plastic is already very brittle. Just a suggestion -- it's sure easier than what you're doing. BTW, has anyone ever wondered, as I have, what posessed the Sindelfingen engineers to use pink plastic for these? The first time I pulled a dash at a boneyard and saw these little pink blobs tucked back there (I didn't know what they were yet!) I thought, WHAT the Sunny Women and cats will do as they please. Men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea. Robert A. Heinlein ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Message: 5 Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 07:14:19 -0600 From: Tom Hargrave Subject: Re: [MBZ] W108 hydropneumatic compensator - useless trivia To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I chased an air bag solution for 123 body Mercedes a while ago and at least back then, one did not exist. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fmiser Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 9:04 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] W108 hydropneumatic compensator - useless trivia It seems than at Wed, 09 Jan 2008 17:16:14 -0600, Loren wrote: I have never seen one other than the pictures in the manual. I always
Re: [MBZ] OT: Fibre channel?
10Gb Copper is limited to 100 feet, but that varies by vendor. 10Gb fiber has the same limitations of any other fiber system. We are seeing a lot of vendor specific features and specifications like when 1Gb first came out. I'm using 10Gb and 50Gb interconnects between Ethernet switches. That works fine, but I would not want to try to mix switch vendors. I tried getting a 10Gb copper interconnect port working with a 10Gb adapter in an iSCSI server and got nowhere quick. If you stick to the same vendor, 10Gb server-server connections work fine. Those switches are damn expensive, however - but still less than Fibre. When throughput becomes a problem, tie a few 1Gb ports together using Teaming at the Sever and Trunking at the switch. With the Dell 6200 series switches you can interconnect with 50Gb ports. That eliminates the infrastructure as the limiting factor. -Dave Walton On Jan 10, 2008 10:24 AM, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We use Fibre for video SANs where 1Gb Ethernet is too slow. 10Gb is still just over the horizon One year ago 10G transceivers were $1000 each. Not sure about today, I'm sure it has come down. Our big-a** switch has 24 1G ports on a blade, or 2 10G ports. I think the 10G is mostly used for long-haul lines right now. Lines tens of kilometers long, that sort of thing. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] disassembling the switch inside a plastic bag
Craig, There really aren't that many parts and since I disassembled the switch on a clean workbench surface I was able to locate the parts after opening the switch. And the interior mechanics of this switch are rather well designed and intuitive to reassemble, as if I can do it anybody can. Re: Be careful of using conductive grease . . . Phillip, When I said that I used a small amount of conductive grease, I meant just that in that I applied a tiny amount to each contact using a cue tip. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Great Lakes used cars
1990 300E, can't say I like the wheels, and whoever heard of a 70,000 mile car that has had it's engine replaced? (maybe they mean the engine has 70k?) $5500. http://www.auto-rv.com/browse.aspx?AdName=CI5380043 1989 300E $3k http://www.auto-rv.com/browse.aspx?AdName=23-868777 2003 230 kompressor coupe $9800 http://www.auto-rv.com/browse.aspx?AdName=BI5301847D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Vacuum elements in a 85 300SD (126 chassis) - any oneelsebeen here ???
Yeh Trying to learn how to remove the center dash vent with out breaking it. I think that the louvers have a clip that they rotate on up and down that is removed with long nose pliers ... George Larribeau - Original Message - From: Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 1:45 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Vacuum elements in a 85 300SD (126 chassis) - any oneelsebeen here ??? You need to remove the center dash vent and pull the duct off behind it. If it's like the W124, the wheel that operates the damper inside is held in place with an allen head screw, accessable from the passenger compartment through the louvers. The vent itself is probably held in with spring clips or by a screw on the side visible when you open the glove box. The vacuum servo is the INSIDE the air box. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Vacuum elements in a 85 300SD (126 chassis) - anyone else been here?
I think I read somewhere too that the Germans had some view on Americans' preoccupation with frigid temperatures in their cars, and decided that whatever the car would do was good enough. Unlike the big American boats that could drop an interior to meat locker temps in 2 minutes on a nice Texas July day. That has since changed. I think the Japanese cars were like that too at the beginning? Brit cars of course did well on their summer days...moving temps from 68F to 70F in minutes. -R Sunny Letot wrote: Then again, we could consider recognizing that Sindelfingen is a good number of lattitudes north of Dallas, Texas, and their understanding in the 1970s and 1980s of Texas' needs in terms of climate control was seriously lacking. This I know for a fact, having been to dinner more than once with some of those engineers between 1975 and 1980. I can't vouch for their level of understanding after that. Or we could assume (and you know what they say about ass-u-me) that a car's condition is poor because an owner wants to choose whether the vents are open or closed, rather than leave it to the dictates of a long-gone German engineering team that was designing for an environment not remotely similar to North Texas.. The other option, one I consider the best, is to recognize that someone asked a question, and folks will offer different ways of addressing the problem posed. As long as safety is not an issue, we can write off differences of opinion without sniping, and allow the guy with the problem to choose his path from the options provided. -- ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gas 123 for Dan
Thanks, Tom! Loren has already made me aware of a 124 gasser he's selling that looks good, but this would be exactly what the bride wanted. I've sent an email inquiry to the seller. Again, many thanks for letting me know. Dan '82 SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 123 300TD Wagon with a loud Turbo
Hi. my benz has started having a problem with the turbo being very loud upon acceleration. Any ideas? Thanks in advance folks...! --Michael Nobody loves me like my mother, and she could be jivin' too. - B. B. King ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gas 123 for Dan
you think he knows that reverse doesn't not count as a speed? On Jan 10, 2008 8:49 AM, tom savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From The Star: 1977 280E: Silver w/Beige. 166K mi, Eurospec, 5-spd. Recent repaint, new window seals, clutch, radiator, water pump, brakes, valve adjustment. Fully U.S. certified. Ex. condition. $4,900 OBO. Chuck Whitney, 701-523-5992, Bowman, ND, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wow. Someone in Iowa needs this for sure. Tom ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gas 123 for Dan
Gary Hurst wrote: you think he knows that reverse doesn't not count as a speed? I called about a 240D 5sp once. Turned out the owner thought that all manual gearboxes were five speeds. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gas 123 for Dan
that is actually very common. they believe that manual transmission and five speed are synonyms. i know a guy who drove hundreds of miles to pick up a five speed from a junk yard only to learn that to these people a transmission is either automatic or five speed. On Jan 10, 2008 12:29 PM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gary Hurst wrote: you think he knows that reverse doesn't not count as a speed? I called about a 240D 5sp once. Turned out the owner thought that all manual gearboxes were five speeds. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 26, Issue 74
I thot that was a bit odd, as I'd never heard of a 5 that early, but the euros do strange things. 4 is fine by me. D On Jan 10, 2008, at 11:29 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you think he knows that reverse doesn't not count as a speed? On Jan 10, 2008 8:49 AM, tom savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From The Star: 1977 280E: Silver w/Beige. 166K mi, Eurospec, 5-spd. Recent repaint, new window seals, clutch, radiator, water pump, brakes, valve adjustment. Fully U.S. certified. Ex. condition. $4,900 OBO. Chuck Whitney, 701-523-5992, Bowman, ND, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wow. Someone in Iowa needs this for sure. Tom ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Fibre channel?
I wish I had more clients that cared more about performance and less about money :-( -Dave Walton On Jan 10, 2008 12:42 PM, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yup and yup. When we do it (we already have but the HBAs as you say are too expensive) we'll probably build the 10Gb ports onto our own switches in the drive box. We do that now for 1Gb clients. Remember I'l talking about editing video over ethernet, everything we do is pretty specialized. 4 1Gb ethernet links is still slower than 1 4Gb fibre link, ethernet has a ton of overhead... Oh and the 4 port HBAs we've tried eat up too many system resources. Editing uncompressed HD isn't easy in the best of times. -Curt Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 07:24:48 -0800 From: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Fibre channel? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed We use Fibre for video SANs where 1Gb Ethernet is too slow. 10Gb is still just over the horizon One year ago 10G transceivers were $1000 each. Not sure about today, I'm sure it has come down. Our big-a** switch has 24 1G ports on a blade, or 2 10G ports. I think the 10G is mostly used for long-haul lines right now. Lines tens of kilometers long, that sort of thing. -- Jim - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Be careful of using conductive grease . . .
Phillip, Live and learn I guess, as the light in my 4way flasher was continually on when I went out to run some errands a little while ago. The actual 4way flashing function worked fine. I took the switch apart again and cleaned off the tiny amount of conductive grease I had put on the internal contacts of the switch and applied a tiny amount of non-conductive (dielectric) grease and now the 4way flasher light and switch functions are fine. Thanx. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 240D engine is REALLY *LOUD*..
My son sent me an instant message yesterday saying the 240D was trailing some blue smoke and smelled like it was burning oil. When I got home last night I started it up and popped the hood. Engine is running a lot louder than it had been. It was night, so it's hard to be definitive but it did seem to be spewing a little more smoke than normal and it did smell of burning oil. The oil level (I checked it before I started after the car sat on the flat for 7 hours) was down a bit from where it was when I brought the level back up a few days back. We checked under the air filter and there wasn't much oil sitting there, so I don't think that's the culprit. I did notice pretty significant blow-by when I pulled the oil fill cap while the engine was running at fast idle. So I have more smoke, some oil smell in the exhaust, lower oil level on the dipstick, more noise - almost like a loud rap, and lots of cam oil pressure. Any thoughts? Could it be as simple as a valve nut that wasn't tightened up enough and now has moved? The sound I'm hearing seems to be coming from a single piston - that is, it's regular but I don't think it happens every time a piston fires. ...Kevin (who'll be checking valve clearances tonight) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mobil 1 ATF fluid
You asked:What's the viscosity rating of M1 ATF compared to the ATF you where using before? Just trying to establish if M1 ATF is worth the extra $$'s is one viscosity more valued than another? You willl need to try M1 ATF to answer that question IMHO. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: Hendrik Fay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 11:09 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mobil 1 ATF fluid What's the viscosity rating of M1 ATF compared to the ATF you where using before? Just trying to establish if M1 ATF is worth the extra $$'s. Hendrik Allan Streib wrote: I don't know about the Timken load test, but the shifting performance on subzero mornings was much improved in my 300D when I switched to M1 ATF. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.0/1216 - Release Date: 1/9/2008 10:16 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
this is the madness of the of the brainwashed socialists, some of whom even inhabit this list. they act as if the home schoolers have to be watched, but, in fact, the home schoolers are fine. it's the incredibly expensive government schools that are failing epidemically. they are the ones who are desperately in need of watching. On Jan 10, 2008 3:02 PM, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gary wrote interesting that homeschool students have relatively stringent requirements to enter open enrollment state schools while regular students are largely open enrollment\\ Especially considering the high percentage of publicly schooled HS grads that get remedial english, math, etc upon entering college. The education system will never admit many children actually excel when being home-schooled (regardless of the stats proving otherwise) - and the education community will protect their monopoly by erecting roadblocks at every opportunity. And since they control the roads, there's plenty of opportunities - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 8:53 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost yeah, i did the whole school thing too and what a total waste of time it was. a friend of mine dropped out when he was 16 and took his GED and just went to college. I tried the same thing and my confused euro immigrant dad was on the verge of killing me for dropping out of school. i've been looking at the courses at area colleges and many of them are on the 5th or 6th grade level anyway. do you know that you can take pre algebra at university? it is also interesting that homeschool students have relatively stringent requirements to enter open enrollment state schools while regular students are largely open enrollment. I cannot, however, find information on how to enroll a 10 year old. On Jan 9, 2008 8:41 PM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gary Hurst wrote: i'm just trying to figure out how long till i can send her to the local community college Move to California, and send her to college now. I wish my parents had done that with me when I was bored to death in 4th grade. (that year I was given progress assessment tests that said I was functioning at the tenth grade level) Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.0/1216 - Release Date: 1/9/2008 10:16 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] these are cool
they have several different ones http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/MERCEDES-W-123-T-Modell-RUBBERSTAMP-w-your-adress_W0QQitemZ220190407091QQihZ012QQcategoryZ50434QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Nice euro car
Kaleb C. Striplin (CAT) wrote: The euro 240 doesnt really have 30 more hp does it? Not unless they put a turbocharger and a different injection pump in it. There's no amount of tuning that could make a 65-70hp 240D into a 95-100hp 240D. That would put it within 10% of a 78-79 300SD if it were true. If it were a 280E, I'd have no problem with the 30hp claim. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=200190849543 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mobil 1 ATF fluid
Exceeding the minimum requirements on a bearing test is an old trick of snake oil sales folks. Probably had it's inception with STP. Once the film strengh is established there is no sense at all in exceeding by a gross amount, the bearing shell would fail much sooner. Pete -- Original message -- From: LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm trying to understand how the Timkin test is relative to an ATF's performance? I know it;s a hydraulic fluid and needs to withstand pressure, but I'm thinking once X amount of pressure is withstood it's more important the ATF will withstand that pressure for the longest period. so one fluid is not necessarily better than another because it withstands a higher pressure. It's not the same as heat IMO. If that makes sense - Need to do more research - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: Allan Streib To: Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 8:53 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mobil 1 ATF fluid I don't know about the Timken load test, but the shifting performance on subzero mornings was much improved in my 300D when I switched to M1 ATF. Allan On Jan 9, 2008, at 7:52 PM, Hendrik Fay wrote: Why are you gonna use M1 ATF? While we are talking M1, a fella on the OZBENZ site posted a PDF of an article in a magazine where they subjected various synthetic and semi-synthetic engine oils to the Timken load test. To cut a long story short M1 did not do that well, especially when compared to it's semi-synthetic cousin which did three times as well. Anyway here is the thread on Ozbenz for those who wanna have a look http://ozbenz.net/viewtopic.php?f=25t=4904p=30866#p30866 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.0/1216 - Release Date: 1/9/2008 10:16 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 1977 280E QUESTIONS was 123 Gasser for Dan
So, I'm pretty interested in the car below. Have emailed and tried calling owner. Awaiting response. Meanwhile: What should I ask about? Any info about these cars appreciated. What does euro mean in terms of engine HP, Mileage, etc.? Also, what differences from US-spec 123s should I know about? Can I get it serviced anywhere that would service a US Spec benz of this vintage? Rusty, you have parts for the Euro versions of these? What's the achilles heel of these, if any? Thanks, all, for your help in the quest! Dan On Jan 10, 2008, at 8:54 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From The Star: 1977 280E: Silver w/Beige. 166K mi, Eurospec, 5-spd. Recent repaint, new window seals, clutch, radiator, water pump, brakes, valve adjustment. Fully U.S. certified. Ex. condition. $4,900 OBO. Chuck Whitney, 701-523-5992, Bowman, ND, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wow. Someone in Iowa needs this for sure. Tom ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D engine is REALLY *LOUD*..
#1 piston probably has a problem. Does it idle rough too? --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Kevin J. Slater [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 1:43 PM Subject: [MBZ] 240D engine is REALLY *LOUD*.. My son sent me an instant message yesterday saying the 240D was trailing some blue smoke and smelled like it was burning oil. When I got home last night I started it up and popped the hood. Engine is running a lot louder than it had been. It was night, so it's hard to be definitive but it did seem to be spewing a little more smoke than normal and it did smell of burning oil. The oil level (I checked it before I started after the car sat on the flat for 7 hours) was down a bit from where it was when I brought the level back up a few days back. We checked under the air filter and there wasn't much oil sitting there, so I don't think that's the culprit. I did notice pretty significant blow-by when I pulled the oil fill cap while the engine was running at fast idle. So I have more smoke, some oil smell in the exhaust, lower oil level on the dipstick, more noise - almost like a loud rap, and lots of cam oil pressure. Any thoughts? Could it be as simple as a valve nut that wasn't tightened up enough and now has moved? The sound I'm hearing seems to be coming from a single piston - that is, it's regular but I don't think it happens every time a piston fires. ...Kevin (who'll be checking valve clearances tonight) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Nice euro car
would be nicer if it had the correct seats. The euro 240 doesnt really have 30 more hp does it? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-200-Series-240d-1982-mercedes-benz-240d-diesel-biodiesel-euro-model_W0QQitemZ200190849543QQihZ010QQcategoryZ6329QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1977 280E QUESTIONS was 123 Gasser for Dan
Dan, I certainly do not possess an all encompassing knowledge base but I currently own from a 1968 up to a 1993 Mercedes. Everyone of those vehicles that require gasoline (non-diesel) calls for premium gasoline only. Premium is the only grade I have ever used in a gasoline operated Mercedes Dave H... -- From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 3:49 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1977 280E QUESTIONS was 123 Gasser for Dan Dan Weeks wrote: So, I'm pretty interested in the car below. Have emailed and tried calling owner. Awaiting response. Meanwhile: What should I ask about? Any info about these cars appreciated. What does euro mean in terms of engine HP, Mileage, etc.? Also, what differences from US-spec 123s should I know about? I believe all the euro gassers of that era were a lot stronger, and all needed premium. Any mpg gains would likely be offset by the price of premium. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1977 280E QUESTIONS was 123 Gasser for Dan
Dan Weeks wrote: So, I'm pretty interested in the car below. Have emailed and tried calling owner. Awaiting response. Meanwhile: What should I ask about? Any info about these cars appreciated. What does euro mean in terms of engine HP, Mileage, etc.? Also, what differences from US-spec 123s should I know about? I believe all the euro gassers of that era were a lot stronger, and all needed premium. Any mpg gains would likely be offset by the price of premium. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Nice Euro car
Same cactus green as my '80 240D with manual everything, deceased/totaled 187k mi. ago in 1995. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Education
As an educator, I can say without exception that the most successful students are the ones whose parents are involved with their education. I currently work at a Title 1 school, and while it's not in a bad area per se, the typical family is one parent or possibly two adults who are not married or one is not the natural parent of the children. While that in itself is not a bad thing, since most of these parents work full time, it's unlikely that you'll see them around school. Add to that that the potential that the parent(s) are uneducated or had negative experiences with education and it's doubly difficult to even get them to show up in the evenings. That being said, in many cases they do recognize the value of education due to their own predicament, so when you do have contact with them they are very open and accommodating. I am all for privatization of schools for the reasons given earlier. We have a superintendent that is the product of nepotism, making over a quarter of a million a year, and she barely has a Master's degree. Check out any school superintendent in the other top ten school districts in the nation (we're currently 7th or 8th) and you won't find one that has anything less than a Ph.D. The administration is a huge bureaucracy that feeds itself and it's buddies, sucking valuable resources that would be better spent on the students and their needs. As I have often remarked to my fellow employees, If this place was a business, it would have been gone years ago... Dan --- Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Part of their deal is that parent(s) have some degree of participation too, whether single, multiple, various combinations of mommies/daddies, whatever. That is one element of success. Another is discipline -- peer, school, and self-imposed in a positive way. Kids learn to learn and behave and succeed and derive satisfaction and pride in that. There is no mystery to successfully educating (not teaching), if that is what the purpose is. If it is featherbedding and protecting your job, then that is what is achieved. Read Thomas Friedman's book The World is Flat to find out the price of the demise of the education system and parental (and even governmental, which is really our own) responsibility in the US. There are Indian and Chinese children whose achievements far exceed most of our children's. A lot of Indian and Chinese children. A whole lot of them. Many of them are being educated at our elite universities and institutions, and going back home (though most of them would like to stay and enjoy the business potential of our society but we lump them in with the hordes of uneducated people coming across the southern border). While I do not agree with some of what he says in his book, he is a very smart guy and has a lot of interesting ideas that will make YOU think. Read that now (it's an easy read) while listening to the presidential rhetoric, and decide whether you want Change You Can Count On, 35 Years Of Advocating For Change, I Am Going To Change Washington, or The Change You Want, and see how much change you can spare for the next generation that will kick our collective asses unless we all get our act together pretty fast. Think about which one might kick some ass now rather than triangulating to make fat ones fatter. The sad thing is we have no one to blame but ourselves and our prosperous laziness (where poor people are fat and rich people are skinny -- huh? ya think the third world might be wanting some of that?) that has allowed us to focus on second and third-order issues instead of the ones that will really matter. Y'all (mostly) are a pretty smart bunch, or you wouldn't be driving fine automobiles. --R (who can next expound on the state of biomedical research in our country, and who is doing most of it, and where they will all be going after they finish those stints, and then what they will do) Mitch Haley wrote: Rich Thomas wrote: A buddy of mine works in a corporate capacity for an extremely successful charter school (operated under the public school system) operator that takes children who come from the lowest performing public schools in the worst neighborhoods -- they are not skimming high achievers or privileged kids, quite the opposite. How much they are skimming the offspring of people who don't want to visit their kids in prison some day. I bet you can achieve a lot in education if the parents are plural and if they care. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
Good question, but it also brings out the fact that our community colleges are doing more with remediation than the core coursework in a lot of cases. Dan --- Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: how did they pass high school if they can't do remedial work? oh, wait, no child is left behind! Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1977 280E QUESTIONS was 123 Gasser for Dan
The US version of the 280E had twin cams and fuel injection. Make sure your Euro has the same. I would not want a carbureted version, which was often hard to tune. Some 280s were also made in the 116 chassis. Both very solid. So, I'm pretty interested in the car below. Have emailed and tried calling owner. Awaiting response. Meanwhile: Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 264 K miles 98 ML 320, 152 K miles **Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp0030002489 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Nice Euro car
What I MEANT to say was, My cactus green 80 240D was deceased/totaled AT 187 kmi in 1995. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mobil 1 ATF fluid
The timken test is just one of many tests that an oil can be subjected to, the oils they where testing where engine oils and not ATF. My understanding of the timken test is that it tells you how tough an oil is, or in other words it's like hitting oil with a sledge hammer and seeing when it breaks. This is good to know because when the mixture ignites the oil gets a hammering. While I am not saying M1 is rubbish, I do think in my situation I would be better off with semi-synthetic. The temperatures do not get that cold and I don't rev the guts out of my engines. LarryT wrote: I'm trying to understand how the Timkin test is relative to an ATF's performance? I know it;s a hydraulic fluid and needs to withstand pressure, but I'm thinking once X amount of pressure is withstood it's more important the ATF will withstand that pressure for the longest period. so one fluid is not necessarily better than another because it withstands a higher pressure. It's not the same as heat IMO. If that makes sense - Need to do more research - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mobil 1 ATF fluid
Hi Hendrik, You wroteI do think in my situation I would be better off with semi-synthetic. The temperatures do not get that cold and I don't rev the guts out of my engines I think you'd like it if you tried it.It sounds a little like a discussion I had with a friend a while back about Mercedes Vs Ford. He said they'd gone from 1 dealership to another test driving 1st a Mercedes then a Ford - and they were unable to see much difference. As you know, the differences between a MB Ford are not so easy to define that they are obvious during a 10 min test drive. Once someone owns a MB for a while - months and even years, they begin to see and feel the differences. Sometimes it;s obvious when looking under the hood and seeing how the wiring harnesses are held together - solidly made fasteners vs cheaply made pot metal clamps. Or the use of a double firewall to reduse noise levels in the cockpit vs a single firewall. The use of quality zebrawood or burl walnut interior surfaces vs chrome plated plastic. A oil pressure gauge vs an idiot light. and on and on. This stuff is often hard to tabulate to potential owners - but a few months of ownership opens the eyes. And of course the biggest comparision of all is ownership after a couple hundred thousand miles - one holds up while the other does not. BTW, I'm not picking on Ford here - I've owned a couple that were great transportation - but they;re not MBs. Anyway, I know the cost of all those bottles of ATF is pretty high and it's comforting to have hard numbers to support a decision, but sometimes you just gotta give it a try ;-) Take care -- I hope you have some fun stuff planned for the weekend that will be here soon - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: Hendrik Fay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 7:02 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mobil 1 ATF fluid The timken test is just one of many tests that an oil can be subjected to, the oils they where testing where engine oils and not ATF. My understanding of the timken test is that it tells you how tough an oil is, or in other words it's like hitting oil with a sledge hammer and seeing when it breaks. This is good to know because when the mixture ignites the oil gets a hammering. While I am not saying M1 is rubbish, I do think in my situation I would be better off with semi-synthetic. The temperatures do not get that cold and I don't rev the guts out of my engines. LarryT wrote: I'm trying to understand how the Timkin test is relative to an ATF's performance? I know it;s a hydraulic fluid and needs to withstand pressure, but I'm thinking once X amount of pressure is withstood it's more important the ATF will withstand that pressure for the longest period. so one fluid is not necessarily better than another because it withstands a higher pressure. It's not the same as heat IMO. If that makes sense - Need to do more research - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.0/1216 - Release Date: 1/9/2008 10:16 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mobil 1 ATF fluid
Mobil 1 is cheap compared to an earlier tranny rebuild. It's a vastly better lubricant, no matter what test is used. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Nice euro car
tom savage wrote: And of course the odometer stopped only a month ago. There must be a law requiring you to advertise your benz on fleabay as soon as the odo dies. I bought a heap that the seller picked up at a dealer auction for $275 a month before, and he claimed that the odo died in his possession. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
so why can't my kid just go to community college now given that her skill set would be about average if not a little better? On Jan 10, 2008 5:49 PM, LWB250 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good question, but it also brings out the fact that our community colleges are doing more with remediation than the core coursework in a lot of cases. Dan --- Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: how did they pass high school if they can't do remedial work? oh, wait, no child is left behind! Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Tata Nano
http://www.just-auto.com/article.aspx?ID=93532lk=dm%20%5BO%5D Eye-wateringly ugly at $2500. Smart-ish, come to think of it. RLE ** Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp0030002489 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D engine is REALLY *LOUD*..
No. It idles about the same as it always has. It runs a little rough at startup, but that could be a number of things. Smooths out pretty quickly. ...Kevin On Thu, 10 Jan 2008, Kaleb C. Striplin, work wrote: #1 piston probably has a problem. Does it idle rough too? --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Kevin J. Slater [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 1:43 PM Subject: [MBZ] 240D engine is REALLY *LOUD*.. My son sent me an instant message yesterday saying the 240D was trailing some blue smoke and smelled like it was burning oil. When I got home last night I started it up and popped the hood. Engine is running a lot louder than it had been. It was night, so it's hard to be definitive but it did seem to be spewing a little more smoke than normal and it did smell of burning oil. The oil level (I checked it before I started after the car sat on the flat for 7 hours) was down a bit from where it was when I brought the level back up a few days back. We checked under the air filter and there wasn't much oil sitting there, so I don't think that's the culprit. I did notice pretty significant blow-by when I pulled the oil fill cap while the engine was running at fast idle. So I have more smoke, some oil smell in the exhaust, lower oil level on the dipstick, more noise - almost like a loud rap, and lots of cam oil pressure. Any thoughts? Could it be as simple as a valve nut that wasn't tightened up enough and now has moved? The sound I'm hearing seems to be coming from a single piston - that is, it's regular but I don't think it happens every time a piston fires. ...Kevin (who'll be checking valve clearances tonight) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tata Nano
It is rather Smart looking. The deluxe model has painted bumpers. My 1951 Deluxe VW bug had hydraulic brakes, while the standard model had mechanical brakes. Wonder what the Nano has -- On Jan 10, 2008 7:28 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.just-auto.com/article.aspx?ID=93532lk=dm%20%5BO%5D Eye-wateringly ugly at $2500. Smart-ish, come to think of it. RLE ** Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp0030002489 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Fibre channel?
I've never seen a 10Gb SFP. The Foundry switch I have uses a 10Gb XFP which is larger. The Cisco switch I have uses X2s... Perhaps my terminology is wrong. But that doesn't make the interchange work any better or less. I know we've had some interoperability problems, and that switching the optics for a different brand made the problem go away. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tata Nano
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.just-auto.com/article.aspx?ID=93532lk=dm%20%5BO%5D 623cc, 33hp, a bubble with four wheels at the corners? It's a modern day BMW Isetta 600! 7hp stronger and 20cm longer, but that's 50 years of progress for ya. http://microcarmuseum.com/tour/bmw600.html Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
That's a good question. I don't know. I went to a community college down here to get a back door into a 4 year state university. Why? Because the 60+ credit hours I had from I.U. were not recognized by a state university because they were more than 10 years old. Now think about how stupid that sounds. 100 and 200 level courses have changed significantly over 10 years? What a bunch of baloney. Fortunately for me, I knew someone that worked at a local CC who told me that not only would they honor my credits, but all I had to do was a minimum of 15 hours at the CC, earn an A.A., and I was guaranteed acceptance into any state university - it's the law in Florida. You get an A.A. (or equivalent) from a Florida CC and you're guaranteed a spot at a four year state college/university. Right now there's something like 20,000 applicants for a few thousand openings at many state universities in Florida. Go to a CC for a few years and get in for free. As for the remediation bit, it's true - students these days are not adequately prepared for college level coursework by the public school system. Hence, the need for remediation in the community colleges. It's a helping hand for these student who would otherwise not make it into a 4 year institution. Dan --- Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: so why can't my kid just go to community college now given that her skill set would be about average if not a little better? Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D engine is REALLY *LOUD*..
Could be a needle stuck in its nozzle body bore. I've seen that so bad that I'm convinced that no amount of Purge could remedy it. Makes quite the racket but just requires nozzle replacement. -joe ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Not quite moose - Bull meets Taser
The good news is that you can knock a bull off his feet with a Taser. The bad news is that he can get back up as soon as the current stops flowing, and he's not happy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcYIo7iR610 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot
Sort of like the private sector? On Jan 9, 2008 6:16 PM, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Everything the government decides to Do it screws up and it ends up being filled with corruption and fraud. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: WALTER WARREN [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 1:39 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot I have a friend who has many years in the insurance business. His opinion is valued by me and it is this :Keep the politicians out of the ins. coverage business. We just had a major cost increase because the WA State lawmakers deemed it necessary that mental health should be covered. URGH!!! On Jan 4, 2008 7:34 PM, archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] archer wrote: In your opinion, perhaps. In my opinion it's never too late to discuss and offer solutions for major problems that face America. Its also a very political topic... something best reserved for banned. Join up and I'm sure everyone will start talking about it again. :) John .. Just joined. Thanks, John. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.0/1216 - Release Date: 1/9/2008 10:16 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
